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He
should
be
getting
ready
upstairs
any
minute.
So.
A
Okay,
but
we
can
do
a
few
of
our
typical
pre-meeting
things.
I
see
shelly
in
the
waiting
room,
scott.
We
can
move
shelly
in
and
nells.
A
A
A
Okay,
everyone
continue,
we
know
the
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
then
we're
also
live.
So
thank
you,
everyone
for
coming
to
our
may
city
administration
committee
meeting
and
we
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
officially
just
a
quick
review
of
the
agenda.
I
do
not
have
any
changes
to
this
agenda.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
does.
A
Okay,
seeing
none
then
we
need
someone
who
is
willing
to
approve
our
minutes
from
last
month.
Meeting
I
see
graham,
is
there
a
second
rob?
Thank
you
all,
those
in
favor
of
our
april
minutes
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
and
we
do
have
our
public
comment
just
to
remind
everyone.
We
we
have
you
sign
up
in
advance.
A
We
have
been
giving
people
the
option
to
choose
different
times
for
public
comment,
so
the
people
that
chose
a
shorter
time
will
go
first
and
all
of
the
rest
that
shows
the
typical
three
minutes
will
be
sorted
at
the
end
in
the
order
that
they
signed
up,
and
we
have
scott
andrew
helping
us
this
evening
to
move
people
in
and
out
for
public
comment,
and
we
do
have
our
timer,
then
just
to
remind
everyone
to
make
sure
that
if
you
have
it
streaming,
you're
going
to
need
to
mute
that
or
otherwise
we
will
get
feedback,
and
there
is
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
between
the
youtube
and
the
meeting
on
zoom.
C
Okay,
the
first
one
is
jerome
galliano,
but
I'm
not
sure
which
one
he
is.
G
Sorry,
I
can't
watch
the
youtube
feed,
so
I'm
just
calling
from
the
phone.
Thank
you
for
the
time
I'll
try
to
make
it
short.
My
name
is
drone
galleon,
I'm
a
professional
engineer.
I've
been
in
the
city
of
ithaca
living
here
about
20
years.
G
I
reviewed
the
very
detailed
campanelles
report
that
he
put
together
for
the
the
the
common
council
and
the
city
administration
very
thorough.
I
admit
I
didn't
go
through
all
the
details,
but
I
did
look
at
the
recommendations,
a
lot
of
great
recommendations.
However,
I
see
that
I
believe
I'm
correct
three
of
the
four
items
that
the
city
administration
asked
for
back
in
the
august.
2020
meeting
did
not
make
it
into
the
report
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
those
were
since
the
committee
seemed
very
strong
that
they
felt
very
strongly.
G
These
items
should
be
added,
so
I
believe
three
of
the
four
were
not
in
there
that
they
stated
they
wanted
to
have
in
the
design
guidelines.
These
included
adding
a
revocability
provision
to
any
contract
with
the
wireless
provider,
adding
proof
of
lack
of
service
or
gap
in
service,
as
well
as
adding
a
provision
to
the
insurance
to
cover
emf
pollution
to
not
exclude
that
from
the
insurance
and
adding
a
perjury
provision.
I
would
also
the
biggest
concern
I
have
living
right
downtown
on
first
street.
G
I
like
at
least
500
feet.
Some
communities
have
gone
beyond
that.
I
believe
a
thousand
feet
and
again,
I'm
concerned
about
this
infrastructure.
It
seems
like
a
very
redundant
infrastructure.
It's
not
going
to
solve
our
internet
divide
problem
and
it's
a
lot
of
infrastructure
that
I
don't
see
the
community
asking
for
or
provide
internet
to
our
homes
and
businesses.
It'll,
provide
wireless
service
to
mobile
phones
and
potentially
iot.
G
C
H
G
H
C
I
A
C
J
Okay,
hello,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
sorry
about
that.
There
was
a
delay
okay,
so
I've
been
following
along
with
the
5d
updates,
and
I
was
very
happy
to
see
the
report
that
mr
campanelli
put
together,
and
I
hope
that
the
city
administration
will
move
to
adopt
all
of
the
recommendations
that
he
put
forth.
J
J
Applying
electromagnetic
fields
are
categorized
under
most
insurance
policies
in
the
same
category
as
other
pollutants,
including
smoke
vapor,
so
fumes
acids,
alkalize
and
other
chemicals
and
more
so,
I
think
it's
really
vital
for
the
citizens
who
are
living
in
close
proximity,
like
all
the
folks
downtown,
like
jerome,
was
saying
to
have
some
sort
of
protection
in
case
they
get
injured
directly
from
this
new
technology.
J
So
yeah,
that's
my
main
concern
and
I
didn't
see
it
in
the
report,
so
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up.
So
thank
you.
That's
all.
C
C
C
K
I
was
going
to
speak
to
the
new
police
chief
jolie's
guidelines
for
the
ithaca
police
department
when
it
comes
to
protests
this
summer.
I
I
personally
experienced
what
it
was
like
for
the
police
to
not
be
available
during
one
of
these
protests,
where
I
was
explicitly
told
they
were
not
coming
both
by
the
911
operator
up
at
thompson's,
county
dispatch
and
by
the
phone
in
the
vestibule
at
the
ithaca
police
department
on
august
30th
of
last
year.
K
When
you
know
there
was
a
riot,
I
guess
you
could
call
it
a
roadblock
when
an
elderly
couple
was
stuck
in
it,
and
I
was
just
observing
until
I
was
told
by
9-1-1
that
no
help
was
coming
and
that
they
were
not
responding
to
anything
relating
to
the
protests
on
that
road.
K
And
you
know
I've
tried
to
get
my
hands
on
that
audio
and
it's
very
difficult
to
get
9-1-1
audio
from
the
state
of
new
york.
It's
kind
of
the
opposite
of
florida
here,
but
I
think,
that's
kind
of
you
know
very
important
information
for
people
to
have,
because
the
reality
is
with
the
I
think,
of
solidarity,
slate
and
yasmin
rasheed.
K
You
know
taking
over
the
city
council,
essentially
with
their
allies,
that
they
already
have
on
there.
The
I
think
a
police
department
budget
will
probably
be
able
to
be
cut
for
real
in
the
2021,
and
you
know
the
resulting
spike
in
crime
which
we're
already
seeing
now
has
kind
of
already
kind
of
taken
things
to
a
breaking
point
as
far
as
shootings
and
robberies,
and
just
in
general,
the
fraying
of
society.
K
So
I
hope
that
the
individuals
who
block
the
roads,
some
of
whom
speak
in
these
meetings,
often
will
be.
You
know,
have
the
law
applied
to
them
equally
when
they
engage
in
illegal
behavior,
because,
ultimately,
it's
their
lives
that
are
being
put
at
risk.
All
it
would
take,
would
be
for
one
person
to
decide
that
they
aren't.
You
know
they
feel
trapped
in
a
roadblock
and
are
willing
to
deal
with
the
consequences
later
and
you
could
have
a
whole
crowd
of
people
plowed
into
I.
K
I
say
this
because
I
I
don't
want
that
to
happen.
You
know
and
the
potential
for
that
existed
on
august
30th.
There
was
another
vehicle
blocking
in
the
beers
and
if
they'd
hit
the
gas,
you
know
genevieve,
rand
and
zachary
stewart
their
legs
could
have
been
pinned
on
the
you
know,
bumper
of
that
other
vehicle,
and
I
you
know
I
would
be
terrible
to
see
another
young
trans
person
in
this
community
experience
violence.
K
So
I
just
like
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
our
new
police
chief
jolie,
and
I
implore
him
to
please
you
know,
enforce
the
laws
as
it
relates
to
roadblocks
and
just
in
general,
just
disregard
for
the
law.
So
thank
you
very
much
black
lives
matter.
Thank
you.
A
M
L
Okay,
my
name
is
irina
paris,
so
I'm
here
to
comment
on
5g
I've
lived
and
shopped
and
worked
in
and
around
ithaca
for
many
decades,
and
it's
just
crucial
that
we
protect
our
city
from
5g.
So
I
hope
the
city
administration
committee
adopts
all
of
campanelli's
excellent
recommendations
into
code.
L
I
just
can't
imagine
allowing
verizon
or
any
other
company
to
put
dangerous
5g
antennas
only
eight
feet
only
eight
feet
from
where
people
are
living,
working
and
shopping.
Other
towns
have
set
this
distance
to
sixteen
hundred
feet.
L
L
These
towers
and
antennas
need
to
be
tested
for
radiation
output
every
year
to
gauge
their
danger,
and
this
also
needs
to
be
in
the
codes,
and
my
biggest
question
is:
if,
if
we
don't
need
the
cell
phone
coverage,
why
would
our
city
ever
consider
adapting
these
little
antennas
everywhere,
because
we
already
have
good
cell
phone
coverage
in
ithaca
and
the
code?
L
It's
just
super
important
that
the
code
has
makes
the
telecom
companies
prove
that
there's
a
gap
in
service
that
I
don't
think
there
is.
So
I
urge
you
to
adopt
all
of
campanelli's
recommended
codes
and
additional
codes
that
are
needed
to
protect
our
city
and
ithacans,
and
I
thank
you
so
much.
C
A
Smoke,
I
will
open
the
floor
to
see
if
any,
if
there
is
any
response
from
council
on
any
of
the
items
or
to
any
of
the
speakers.
A
A
So
I
think
what
we
are
going
to
do
first,
this
evening
is:
we
do
have
a
guest
this
evening
we
have
mr
andrew
campanelli
and
what
I
will
do
is
turn
it
over
to
ari
our
city
attorney,
who
has
been
working
with
mr
campanelli's
office.
A
N
Oh,
thank
you
very
much
deb
for
for
starters.
Thank
you,
mr
campanelli,
for
joining
us
glad
to
have
you
here
this
evening
and
thank
you
krin
for
all
of
your
work
on
this
topic,
including
interfacing
with
mr
campanelli,
because
crin
has
done
so
much
of
that
and
because
mr
campanelli
has
submitted
his
report
I'd
like
to
defer
primarily
to
them.
N
O
So
I'd
say:
go
ahead,
mr
campanelli!
Oh,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
having
me
first.
I
just
want
to
see
if
my
presentation
is
close
enough.
I
had
a
hearing
today
in
court.
Can
everybody
see
me
or
do
I
need
to
zoom
in
you
know,
let
me
see
if
I
could
zoom
in.
H
A
O
O
This
is
my
chance
to
speak
directly
to
them
and
to
make
them
aware
of
their
powers
to
control
the
placement
of
wireless
facilities
in
their
jurisdiction.
So
just
brief,
intro
to
the
telecommunications
act
like
100
and
maybe
90
seconds,
contrary
to
what
the
wireless
industry
tells
local
governments
in
new
york
and
elsewhere
every
day.
Most
of
what
you've
probably
heard
about
the
telecommunications
act
is
just
wrong.
They
always
talk
about
the
restrictions
that
the
telecommunications
act
impose
upon
local
governments.
O
What
they
don't
mention
is
what
I
call
the
general
authority
provision
of
the
telecommunications
act
and
that's
subparagraph
c7a.
It's
actually
entitled
general
authority
and
in
that
section,
which
has
remained
unchanged
since
congress
enacted
it
back
in
1996
congress
preserved
the
general
authority
to
regulate
the
place
of
wireless
facilities
to
state
and
local
governments.
O
Now,
armed
with
that
general
authority,
since
1996,
sophisticated
and
well-informed
local
governments
have
adopted
smart
planning
provisions,
and
basically
these
are
zoning
code
provisions
designed
to
achieve
three
objectives.
Simultaneously.
First,
everybody
loves
their
iphone.
Everyone
loves
their
ipad,
so
the
first
objective
is
to
allow
wireless
carriers
to
actually
saturate
jurisdictions
with
coverage.
So
if
you
want
everybody's
cell
phone
to
work,
you
need
something
to
provide
that
coverage.
O
So
number
one
is
do
that,
but
at
the
same
time,
number
two
minimize
the
number
of
facilities
you
need
to
provide
that
coverage
and
number
three
prevent
to
the
greatest
extent
possible,
any
unnecessary
adverse
impacts
upon
residential
homes
and
residential
communities
and
towards
those
goals.
Local
governments
have
adopted
smart
planning
provisions
and
they
work
very
well
as
long
as
you
understand
how
to
apply
them
now
up
against
those
interests.
O
Are
the
wireless
industry
and
typically,
worst
of
all
the
site
developers
for
those
of
you
who
aren't
familiar?
You
probably
are,
but
let
me
just
cover
this
real,
quick,
there's,
two
main
players
in
the
wireless
industry:
there
are
the
wireless
carriers,
like
your
verizon,
your
at
t,
t-mobile
companies.
You
can
actually
get
a
cell
phone
contract
with
and
then
you
have
the
site
development
companies.
O
O
Their
interests
are
very
different
than
towns
and
even
from
the
wireless
carriers,
for
example,
I
had
a
case
in
tennessee
where
a
small
town
of
tennessee
wanted
to
cover
the
area
with
wireless
coverage
and
a
plan
was
laid
out
where
they
could
cover
the
whole
town
with
three
towers,
putting
one
in
the
woods
and
one
in
the
junkyard
and
one
in
a
landfill,
and
that
would
cover
everything.
But
along
came
a
site
developer.
Who
didn't
want
to
do
that?
O
Instead,
they
want
to
install
das
systems
and
they
were
pursuing
applications
to
install
something
in
the
neighborhood
of
183
dos
nodes,
every
300
feet
in
a
residential
neighborhood
as
close
as
8
feet
from
people's
bedroom
windows.
Now,
why
would
you
want
to
install
100
facilities
when
you
can
do
it
with
three?
The
answer
is
simple:
site
developers
get
paid
to
rent
space
on
their
facilities.
O
O
O
I
call
them
hoodwink
loans
because
they
are
highly
deceptive
and
they're,
designed
so
for
the
sole
purpose
of
stripping
the
powers
of
local
governments
to
protect
their
citizens
against
the
irresponsible
placement
of
wireless
facilities,
and
I
can
tell
you
right
now,
with
the
5g
rollout
every
day
are
people
are
waking
up
and
finding
wireless
facilities
on
their
front
lawns
on
their
side,
lawns
eight
feet
from
a
bed
and
window.
It's
a
horror
show.
So
it's
never
been
more
important
to
have
a
comprehensive
code
to
exercise
your
power
to
control
where
these
things
go.
O
To
the
greatest
extent,
that
congress
intended
to
preserve
that
power
to
you
under
the
tca
so
crin
was
kind
enough
to
send
me
your
questions.
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
read
the
brief,
maybe
put
you
to
sleep,
I
don't
know,
but
I
tried
to
do
a
good
job,
but
now
I'd
really
like
to
talk
about
your
questions,
I'd
like
to
kind
of
characterize
this
this
session
as
a
if
I
had
to
have
a
title
for
it.
O
I'd
want
to
say
anything
you
wanted
to
ask
about
cell
towers,
but
didn't
know
how
to
how
to
ask
or
who
to
ask
anything.
You
want
to
ask
me,
please
ask
me:
I'm
not
saying
I'll,
be
answer
I'll,
be
able
to
answer
every
question
you
have,
but
with
7
000
cases
on
my
belt.
I
have
a
lot
of
information
to
share
and
I
can
probably
answer
most
of
your
questions.
O
O
In
addition,
what
you
also
want
to
do
is,
as
I
laid
out
in
the
brief
you
want
to
codify
your
legislative
intent.
What
does
that
mean?
You
want
to
describe
the
types
of
adverse
impacts
that
you
want
to
prevent,
which
is
why
you're
adopting
a
permit
requirement
in
the
first
place,
so
the
city
gets
to
define
the
permit
whatever
permit
may
be,
the
city
gets
to
define
the
criteria
under
which
those
permits
are
granted
or
denied
whether
it's
height
limitations,
setback
requirements.
O
Out
of
character
with
a
neighborhood
least,
intrusive
means
reduced
adverse
aesthetic
impacts.
Things
like
that.
That's
entirely
up
to
you,
so
the
city
gets
to
figure
out
the
name
of
the
permit,
whatever
you
want
to
name
it
next
question
was
what
type
of
data
or
information
should
you
ask
for
in
determining
whether
or
not
an
applicant
has
proved
to
have
a
significant
gap
in
service,
or
that
the
proposed
installation
is
the
least
intrusive
means
of
remitting
that
gap?
O
This
is
an
extremely
important
issue
and
here's
why,
as
I
explained
in
the
brief,
when
you
have
a
permit
requirement,
let's
say
it's:
a
special
permit:
a
site
developer
comes
in
files,
the
application,
and
it's
got
to
go
before
the
planning
board.
The
planning
board
is
going
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
grant
that
permit,
and
in
doing
so
they
have
to
make
factual
determinations.
O
They
have
to
require
the
applicant
to
show
evidence
probative
evidence
that
they
meet
the
criteria
under
your
code
as
to
show
they're
entitled
to
the
permit
under
your
code,
but
that
is
only
one
type
of
factual
determination
that
the
local
government
has
to
make
the
problem
for
most
local
governments
where
they
get
in
trouble.
Is
they
don't
recognize?
They
must
also
make
telecommunications
act
determinations.
O
What
does
that
mean?
Well
two
of
the
constraints
that
the
telecommunications
act
imposed
upon
every
local
board.
That
decides
one
of
these
applications
are
this
number
one.
Any
denial
of
a
wireless
facility
must
be
based
upon
substantial
evidence.
Now,
that's
not
as
bad
as
it
sounds.
What
is
substantial
evidence
it's
more
than
a
scintilla,
but
less
than
a
preponderance.
O
It
means
simply
this.
When
you
make
a
decision,
there
has
to
be
enough
evidence
in
the
record
so
that
a
reasonable
mind
could
reach
the
conclusion
you
reached.
That's
it
federal
judges
don't
want
to
substitute
their
decision-making
for
yours.
They
certainly
don't
want
to
be
zoning
boards
of
appeals.
So
as
long
as
there's
enough
information
in
the
record
that
a
reasonable
mind
could
find
the
finding
you
did
you're
good,
the
other
limitation
says,
local
governments
cannot
prohibit
or
effectively
prohibit
the
provision
of
personal
wireless
services.
O
Okay,
well,
prohibiting
personal
wireless
service
is
easy.
You
can't
adopt
the
code
that
says
no
wireless
facilities
anywhere
in
the
city
of
ithaca
that
doesn't
work,
but
how
do
you
effectively
prohibit
and,
more
importantly,
what
happens
if
you
do
well?
The
second
part
is
easy:
if
they
can
prove
that
the
denial
of
a
specific
facility
would
effectively
prohibit
a
carrier
from
providing
personal
wireless
services,
you
have
to
grant
their
application,
even
if
it
violates
your
code.
Okay,
but
how
does
an
applicant
prove
that?
O
O
If,
if
their
claim
is
for
a
significant
gap,
they
have
to
prove
they
have
a
significant
gap
in
personal
wireless
services
and
number
two
that
their
proposed
installation
at
the
exact
location
they
wanted
and
at
the
exact
height
they
wanted,
is
the
least
intrusive
means
of
remedying
that
gap
and
there's
no
possible
alternative,
less
intrusive
location.
Now
who
gets
to
decide
whether
they
prove
those
things?
The
answer
is:
if
your
code
says
your
planning
board
gets
to
make
those
decisions,
then
your
planning
board
gets
to
make
those
decisions.
O
Applicants
don't
get
to
come
in
and
say
we
have
a
gap;
no,
they
can
provide
evidence,
a
gap
of
a
gap,
but
it's
up
to
your
board
to
decide
if
they've
proven
it
or
not
and
under
federal
law.
As
long
as
your
code
provides
for
it,
your
board
gets
to
decide
a
what
evidence
they
will
require
an
applicant
to
produce
and
b
what
weight
they're
going
to
give
that
evidence.
O
Now,
one
of
the
most
common
types
of
evidence
that
they
produced
for
years
are
something
called
propagation
maps.
They
say.
Oh
look.
We
got
a
propagation
map
showing
the
current
gaps
in
service
and
what
it's
going
to
look
like
if
we
put
our
tower
up.
These
are
the
least
credible
types
of
evidence.
You're
ever
going
to
see
in
anything,
propagation
maps
are
generated
through
software
programs,
and
it
is
very
easy
to
manipulate
these
maps
to
show
anything
you
want
to
show
it's,
not
the
software.
The
software
is
great.
O
The
software
actually
enables
the
user
to
say.
Okay,
I
want
to
draft
a
map
showing
where
the
coverage
is,
but
I'm
going
to
put
in
there
that
there
are
many
trees
on
this
side
of
this
road
and
there's
a
ledge,
and
they
can
pretend
there
are
things
in
the
way
that
will
reduce
the
coverage,
what
distances
so
they
can
manipulate
the
maps.
O
The
problem
with
manipulating
maps
got
so
bad
that
last
august,
the
fcc
said
we're
no
longer
accepting
simple
propagation
maps
from
the
wireless
industry.
We
want
hard
data,
we
want
drive
test
data,
we
want
standard
test
data
and
not
computer
modeling,
of
the
hard
test
data.
We
want
the
actual
drive
test
data.
In
fact,
I'm
going
to
send
this
to
crin.
I
just
found
it
this
morning
the
staff
of
the
fcc
issued
a
60-page
report
saying
that
we
did
our
own
testing
and
we
compared
our
propagation.
O
Our
testing
to
the
propagation
maps
we've
been
receiving
from
all
the
major
carriers
and
all
the
maps
were
wrong.
Everything
they
gave
us
was
wrong,
so
you
should
look
at
whatever
they
submit
you
with
a
critical
eye.
So
what
evidence
do
you
want?
Well,
if
the
claimed
need
for
the
facility
is
a
significant
gap,
then
what
you
want
is
actual
drive
test
data,
it's
very
simple
to
get
they
take
a
recording
device.
O
O
Those
readings
will
show
you
number
one
if
there
are
gaps
in
service
number,
two,
where
those
gaps
are
and
number
three
they're
geographic
boundaries.
Now,
I'm
not
saying
there's
perfect
self
coverage
for
all
carriers
in
ithaca.
However,
with
that
actual
data,
you
are
then,
and
only
then
placed
in
a
position
to
ascertain
number
one.
O
They
have
to
claim,
for
example,
that
att's
got
a
gap
in
service,
but
if
a
t
is
not
providing
any
5g
service
in
your
area,
then
you
can't
have
a
gap,
because
you
can't
have
a
gap
in
a
service
that
doesn't
exist
so
drive
test.
Data
is
something
that
the
city
should
request.
There's
also
called
something
called
standing
data
where
they
have
a
fixed
recording
device
which
records
data
over
a
period
of
time.
The
gold
standard
is
to
use
both
types
of
hard
data
together
with
propagation
maps.
That
would
give
you
the
most
accurate
assessment.
O
It
is
by
far
the
most
probative
evidence
that
you
can
use
to
determine
whether
an
applicant
in
fact
has
a
significant
gap
in
personal
wireless
service.
Now
again,
what
is
a
significant
gap?
I've
laid
that
out
in
the
brief
I
don't
want
to
bore
everybody
tonight,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
too
long,
but
and
they
get
this,
I
have
21
questions
to
go
through.
So
I'm
going
to
leave
that
at
that
capacity,
issues
are
even
easier
if
the
applicant
is
claiming
that
an
identified
carrier
has
a
capacity
deficiency.
O
It's
the
easiest
thing
in
the
world
to
prove
any
carrier
can
go
into
this
system
type
in
a
few
keystrokes
in
the
computer
and
print
out.
A
list
of
all
dropped
calls
for
any
geographic
area
for
any
chronological
period
in
time.
So
if
a
site
developer
is
claiming
that
verizon
has
a
capacity
deficiency
on
smith,
road
between
3rd
street
and
4th
street
make
them
give
you
the
dropped.
Call
data
they've
done
it
before
they
may
come
in
and
say:
oh
well,
that's
proprietary
information,
they're,
not
going
to
give
it
to
you.
That's
hogwash!
O
O
If
there's
no
capacity
deficiency
or
gap
once
again,
site
developers
are
in
the
business
of
building
wireless
facilities
and
leasing
space
on
them,
they
will
build
them
even
where
they're
not
needed,
if
for
no
other
reason
to
get
advantage
on
their
competitor,
for
example,
the
top
two
site
developers
in
new
york
right
now,
I
believe,
are
crown
castle.
Next
to
that
there
are.
O
I
have
many
cases
where
externet
rolls
in
to
put
in
hundreds
of
dos
notes
in
the
most
affluent
neighborhoods,
not
because
there's
any
5g
coverage
there
or
any
gap
just
to
get
there
first,
because
once
their
infrastructure
is
in,
if
and
when
verizon
ever
decides
to
put
5g
service
there
they're
already
there
they
got
the
jump
on
crown
castle.
So
that's
why
a
lot
of
this
is
happening
so
drop
call
data
and
drive
test
data
at
a
minimum
is
the
evidence
that
your
code
should
enable
your
board
to
ask
for
any
questions.
E
You
mentioned
drop
call
data,
and
this
actually
might
be
already
in
your
question
list,
but
people
don't
really
use
their
phones
for
calls
that
much
anymore.
So
is
it
possible
to
use
a
different
standard
like
data
speeds
or
data
availability
and
stuff,
like
that.
O
N
And
to
that
point-
and
I
think
duckson's
question
highlights
the
point-
that
their
council
ultimately
has
a
policy
determination
in
front
of
it,
and
we've
heard
a
lot
from
the
public
about
many
views
on
that
subject.
But
if
council
is
looking
to
maximize
broadband
speeds
out
on
the
streets,
that's
a
different
question
than
minimizing
the
impact
of
5g
installations,
and-
and
it
actually
does
speak
to.
N
I
think
one
of
the
questions
that
we
had
for
you,
mr
campanelli,
in
terms
of
how
the
how
the
rollout
of
5g
or
lack
thereof,
is
likely
to
impact
real
world
conditions
for
people
in
ithaca
in
terms
of
accessing
the
internet.
O
Well,
that
gets
I
get
into
that
a
little
bit
later.
Somebody
asked
me
the
question:
the
difference
between
broadband
fiber
optics
and.
O
That
does
lead
me
to
another
point
that
I
wanted
to
address.
One
of
the
things
that
I
see
again
and
again
and
again
is
when
the
applicant
says:
well,
you
know
we
can't
use
that
other
location.
Yet
we
want
to
put
it
on
mrs
smith's
property,
and
we
know
we
can
put
one
out
in
the
woods
or
out
in
a
junkyard,
but
we
can't
use
that
alternative
site,
because
it
is
my
favorite
language
that
wouldn't
mean
our
coverage
objectives.
O
Well,
speaking,
quite
candidly,
I
don't
really
care
what
their
coverage
objectives
are,
because
the
coverage
objectives
are
to
provide
wireless
service
and
and
prepare
for
future
capacity
in
the
cheapest
locations
possible
and
that's
what
it
means.
So
when
they
say
well
that
doesn't
mean
our
government's
objectives.
That
means
nothing.
It
has
no
probative
value.
You
should
laugh
at
them
if
they
say
that
another
thing
about
coverage
objectives
is
when
they
say
what
they
deem
to
be
acceptable
coverage
levels.
O
I
just
had
this
last
week
I
had
a
case
in
oyster
bay
and
an
applicant
for
a
site
developer
got
up
and
said
you
know.
Verizon
verizon
needs
this
tower
because
the
coverage
in
this
area,
the
capacity
the
drop
call
rate,
is
below
the
accepted
standard
in
the
industry
and
the
accepted
standard
is
one
percent
meaning
we
want
to
make
sure
that
at
least
99
of
our
calls
come
through.
So
if,
if
one
percent
of
our
calls
drop,
that's
unacceptable,
that's
a
significant
gap
for
us.
O
That's
the
industry
span
that
has
to
succeed
99
of
the
time
and
that's
hogwash
and
the
reason
that's
hogwash
is
first
of
all
the
federal
law
doesn't
guarantee.
They
have
perfect
coverage
or
seamless
coverage.
So
if
there
are
little
gaps
in
service,
that
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
grant
their
application
and
it
certainly
doesn't
enable
them
to
arbitrarily
dictate
a
level
of
service
that
they
deem
the
only
acceptable
level.
O
If
that's
not
bad
enough
about
three
weeks
ago,
there
was
another
representative
of
verizon
went
before
board
and
said
that
the
acceptable
level
is
99.4
and
said:
no,
we
can't
have
anything
over
0.06
percent
failure
rate
and
even
better
than
that.
The
attorney
who
went
before
oyster
bay
last
week
went
before
a
board
a
year
ago
in
phillipstown
and
said
the
acceptable
rate
is
98,
so
they
just
make
it
up
as
they
go
along.
So
the
bottom
line
is
you
get
to
decide
whether
or
not
to
have
a
significant
gap
in
coverage?
O
Question
number
three
and
I
have
to
apologize.
I
printed
out
the
questions,
but
I
left
them
back
in
my
office.
A
question
number
two
I
I
wrote
down.
I
don't
think
so,
because
the
stat,
because
of
the
standard
of
the
federal
law
but
federal
courts
in
new
york,
said
once
they
carry
some
level
of
service
and
jurisdiction,
their
ability
becomes
broader.
I
don't
have
the
list
of
questions
I
have
to
apologize,
but
that's.
G
A
A
M
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
campanelli,
for
joining
us
tonight.
We
really
appreciate
it.
One
thing
a
number
of
residents
have
talked
about
is
setbacks
from
houses
in
schools
etc,
and
the
concern
about
having
a
an
antenna,
eight
feet
from
a
person's
bedroom.
F
What,
in
your
opinion,
is
a
reasonable
setback
that
we
could
enforce
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
H
O
Excellent
question:
okay,
so
the
setback
limitations
typically
vary
depending
upon
the
height
of
the
facility
and
the
district
within
you
within
which
you
want
to
place
it.
Okay,
if
you
talk
about
a
macro
facility,
say
150
foot
set
150
foot
cell
tower
most
jurisdictions
across
the
country.
If
they
have
large
areas,
they
will
typically
require
a
setback
of
no
less
than
110
percent
of
the
height
of
the
facility.
That's
the
good
rule
of
thumb.
That's
usually
sufficient
to
protect
against
things
like
structural
failures.
Icefall
debris
fall
things
like
that.
O
Also
it's
a
fair
boundary
in
most
districts,
although
those
same
jurisdictions
have
hierarchies
for
citing
meaning
the
zoning
code
will
set
up
the
list
of
preferred
locations.
Put
an
industrial
industrial
district.
First
put
it
in
a
commercial
district,
second
put
in
a
residential
district
last
and
you
can
impose
whatever
setback
requirements.
You
want
so
long
as
those
setback
requirements
are
tempered
by
the
ability
of
an
applicant
to
seek
relief.
What
does
that
mean?
Well,
let's
say
for
arguments
and
I've
seen
local
governments
say
you
want
150
foot
cell
tower.
O
O
O
It's
good
because,
as
a
general
rule
on
the
overall
community,
they
have
a
less
significant
adverse
aesthetic
impact,
but
they
also
tend
to
be
installed
10
feet
from
someone's
bedroom
window
or
right
in
front
of
their
front
door.
So,
theoretically,
you
could
set
a
setback
requirement,
but
it
would
typically
be
shorter.
O
I
don't
think
it
would
be
150
feet,
but
that's
entirely
up
to
you.
It
would
depend
upon
your
neighborhoods.
You
know
what
your
neighborhoods
are
like.
You
know
the
size
of
the
lots.
You
know
how
far
the
public
utility
poles
are
from
someone's
front
door,
so
you
can
take
that
into
account
and
set
up
whatever
setback
requirement
you
deem
appropriate.
O
F
O
Well,
when
you
say
safe,
there's
different
safety
issues,
so
let
me
try
to
break
those
down
for
the
moment.
I'm
going
to
put
aside
health
concerns,
because
I
have
strong
feelings
about
that,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
about
that
in
a
little
bit
but
safe
in
terms
of
protecting
against
adverse
aesthetic
impacts,
reduction
in
property,
villains
fall
zones,
you
know
for
a
dos
or
a
small
cell.
It
not
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
that
bad.
But
again
you
could
say
a
hundred
feet.
If
you
want,
you
could
say
150
feet,
you
could
say
200
feet.
O
O
I
have
a
case
pending
right
now
in
a
place
called
milneck,
a
very,
very,
very
affluent
village
on
long
island,
and
they
have
a
massive
setback
requirement.
It's
like
it.
It
can't
go
on
a
site
of
less
than
four
thousand
square.
Fourth
out
40
000
square
feet
and
a
450
foot
setback
and
an
applicant's
attorney
got
up
and
says:
well
that
only
leaves
four
possible
sites
on
the
in
the
entire
incorporated
village,
and
three
of
them
are
nature,
preserves
so
there's
only
one
place.
It
can
go.
O
O
They
won't
reduce
the
property
value
of
a
house
50
feet
away,
and
I
keep
going
back
to
adverse
aesthetic
impacts
and
property
values,
because
those
two
grounds
are
perfectly
valid
grounds
for
any
local
government
tonight,
an
application
for
wireless
facility.
I
will
tell
you
this
thus
far:
every
time
I've
been
hired
to
defeat
an
application
by
a
site
developer
to
put
a
small
cell
or
a
dos
node,
less
than
50
feet
from
someone's
home.
I've
defeated
every
single
application
in
every
town
and
village
that
I've
been
hired
to
challenge
one
every
time
so
far.
O
So
if
you
have
a
100
foot
setback
or
a
50-foot
setback
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
they
can
build
within
50
feet,
they
still
have
to
show
number
one.
It's
actually
necessary
and
number
two.
It
won't
have
a
significant
adverse
aesthetic
impact.
It
will
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
property
values
and
that
it
won't
be
inconsistent
with
the
residential
character
of
the
neighborhood.
N
So
deb,
as
you
decide
how
we're
going
to
move
through
this
portion
of
the
meeting,
I
just
want
to
remind
all
of
council
that
the
list
of
questions
that
mr
campanelli
was
just
working
through
is
the
list
that
council
generated
of
your
questions
at
our
last
city
administration
committee
meeting,
and
there
are
quite
a
few
of
them.
So
on
the
amount
of
time
that
the
committee
wants
to
spend
working
through
them
with
camp.
N
Mr
campanelli
tonight
is
obviously
a
choice
that
you
need
to
make,
but
I
do
have
that
list
in
front
of
me.
If
that's
helpful,
if
you
want
me
to
help
point
us
through
them,
but
obviously
mr
campanelli
also
has
his
answers
right
there.
So,
however,
you'd
like
to
handle
it.
A
Yeah-
and
I
have
the
list-
I
have
the
list
in
front
of
him
as
well.
I
think
we've
actually
gotten
to
most
of
them.
I
just
wanted
to
also
make
sure
that,
if
anythi,
while
we
physically
have
him
here
to
ask
him
questions
that,
if
there's
anything
that
would
be
better
served
to
have
a
discussion
or
get
more
in
depth,
that
we
allow
people
to
ask
additional
questions
as
well.
So
I
think
we've
gotten
most
of
the
questions
on
the
list,
except
for
maybe
cynthia
cynthia.
Do
you
remember
what
your
questions
were?
Q
Q
Can
we
require
removal
of
of
the
pre-existing
permit
or
is
it
grandfathered
in
so
if
they
put
something
up
before
our
guidelines
go
into
place,
have
they
basically
bypassed
that
process?
Can
we
retroactively
go
back
and
remove
something
that
had
been
previously
permitted
under
a
previous
guidelines.
O
Okay,
the
answer
has
to
be
split
between
I'm
assuming
you're
talking
about
the
town's
guidelines,
not
the
fcc's
if
they
get
a
permit
for
a
facility
and
they
install
it
under
the
town's
guideline
and
the
town's
guidelines
change.
You
cannot
get
them
to
remove
that
facility
based
upon
the
change
of
the
guidelines
once
they
are
granted
a
permit.
They
have
a
vested
property
right
and
they
can't
be
deprived
of
that
property
right
without
due
process
of
law.
That
would
be
a
14th
and
5th
amendment
violation.
O
So
the
answer
is
no:
if
the
fcc
guidelines
change,
then
they
have
to
comply
with
the
fcc
guidelines,
whatever
that
may
be-
and
I
will
tell
you,
as
we
speak-
there's
a
federal
lawsuit
currently
pending
in
the
united
states
board
of
appeals
for
the
dc
circuit,
challenging
the
levels
of
radiation
that
the
fcc
deems
safe.
Because
what
was
supposed
to
happen
was
the
department
of
agriculture
was
actually
supposed
to
revisit
those
those
standards
which
were
adopted
back
in
1996
and
are
archaic
and
the
fda.
O
The
the
department
of
agriculture
never
actually
did
anything
at
all,
so
that
battle
is
going
on
as
we
speak,
which
brings
me
to
help,
because
somebody
had
asked
me
about
health,
and
so
I
am
going
to
discuss
health
concern
now.
I
will
couch
this
in
terms
of
me
being
just
a
lawyer.
I'm
not
a
doctor,
I'm
not
a
scientist,
I'm
an
rf
engineer.
O
O
Unless
someone
calls
the
fcc
and
tells
them
that
they
tested
a
facility
and
found
the
radiation
emanating
from
it
exceeding
what
are
known
as
the
general
population.
It
limits
the
fcc
never
ever
test
these
facilities
and
for
all
facilities
which
are
installed
at
a
height
of
less
than
200
feet,
they're
not
registered
with
the
fcc.
That
means
the
fcc
has
no
idea
where
they
are
and
no
idea
what
level
of
radiation
they're
exposing
your
homeowners
to
that's.
O
O
Because
of
this
local
governments
have
been
enacting
testing
requirements
simply
to
stated
they
they
do
random
testing.
They
will
have
an
rf
engineer
randomly
test
facilities,
not
telling
the
owner
facility
when
they're
going
to
be
tested,
because
if
they
know
they
can
power
them
down
before
they're
tested,
you
can
do
that.
The
real
battle
is
when
you
try
to
impose
the
cost
of
the
testing
on
the
owner
of
the
facility.
Now
it's
been
done
before
the
first
companies
that
started
the
first
cities
that
did
that
were
in
california.
O
O
Knowing
what
I
know
it
would
behoove
the
city
to
have
random
testing
done,
because
if
you
don't
the
odds
of
having
these
things
expose
people
to
radiation
levels
which
exceed
the
fcc's
limits,
I
would
say,
are
very,
very
high
at
the
same
time
when
you
entertain
zoning
applications
for
them.
The
first
thing
that
residents
typically
want
to
talk
about
is
health
concerns
and
that's
not
unjustified.
O
So
if
an
applicant
comes
before
you
with
a
permit-
and
they
submit-
what's
known
as
an
fcc
compliance
report,
to
prove
that
the
facility
will
comply
with
the
fcc's
limits,
then
you
cannot
deny
the
application
based
upon
health
concerns.
However,
you
must
make
sure
the
fcc
compliance
report
is
not
fraudulent.
O
O
One
is
the
false
distance
game
when
they
calculate
the
radiation
level
based
upon
the
false
distance
calculation,
where
they
falsely
claim
that
no
one's
going
to
be
able
to
get
near
the
facility
and
the
other
one
is
where
they
claim
compliance
with
the
wrong
set
of
standards.
What
does
that
mean?
There
are
two
different
sets
of
radiation
limits
set
by
the
fcc.
O
The
first
is
the
general
population
exposure
limits.
That's
the
maximum
level
of
radiation.
They
can
expose
members
of
the
general
public
to
the
other
type.
Are
the
occupational
exposure
limits.
Those
are
reserved
for
people
who
work
on
the
facilities
and
have
made
a
conscious
decision
to
expose
themselves
to
higher
levels
of
radiation.
O
H
Mr
yep,
thank
you
on
that.
So
are
there
third-party
testers?
That
are,
I
mean
this
is
obviously
very
specialized
measurements
that
we're
talking
about
here.
So
are
there
third-party
testers
that
municipalities
have
relied
on
to
provide
this
data.
O
There
are
rf
engineers
out
there
they're
not
too
expensive
if
you
can
find
them.
Unfortunately,
most
of
the
good
ones
work
for
the
wireless
industry,
but
there
are
ones
out
there
who
do
testing.
I
have
had
people
hire
them.
I
don't
recommend
anybody
myself,
because
I
don't
want
to
be
accused
of
any
kind
of
conflict
of
interest.
A
E
I
had
a
question
about
when
a
carrier
disables
old
technology
like
3g,
so
as
they
phase
out
3g
support,
which
I
think
verizon
is
doing
and
facilities
go
offline
does
that
produce?
I
know
you
can't
answer
this
before,
because
the
the
standard
is
phone
call,
it's
not
data,
but
does
that
has
that
produced
the
gap
of
coverage
in
other
municipalities,
as
that
stuff
happens,.
O
Yeah,
you
know
it's
interesting.
You
have
to
understand
the
dynamics.
5G
is
really
very
little
to
do
with
wireless
coverage.
It
has
to
do
with
other
service.
O
O
You
can
have
your
internet
service
at
your
home
through
the
traditional
coaxial,
cable
or
you
can
have
internet
access
through
fiber
optics
and
there's
two
different,
two
very
different
types
of
fiber
optic,
cable,
the
high
speed,
fiber
optic
cable,
is
primarily
used
for
corporations
it's
expensive
to
put
in,
but
if
they
put
that
in
there
they
can
offer
you
amazing
services
through
your
broadband
through
hardwire,
the
wireless
facilities
in
the
wireless.
The
wireless
industry
would
rather
just
go
put
up
a
whole
bunch
of
dos
nodes.
They
don't
have
to
in
ground
all
the
walk
hairs.
O
They
save
a
fortune,
but
you'll
get
those
services
through
your
phone
instead
of
your
computer.
Now
one
of
the
things
they
can
do
is,
let's
say
they
don't
have
a
gap
in
service,
they
have
good
4g
lte
and
they
have
3g,
but
they
want
to
come
in
with
5g.
They
will
power
down
their
4g.
They
will
shut
off
their
3g
and
then
have
their
engineers.
Do
a
test
to
say,
look
see.
We
have
a
big
gap
in
service,
it's
a
game
they
play
and
the
bottom
line
is
that
you
have
the
power
to
demand.
O
They
provide
the
data
for
all
of
their
coverage.
They
can't
power
down
to
create
a
false
appearance.
That
is
a
significant
gap.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
I
have
cases
where
you
go
into
a
town.
They
file
an
application
and
the
people
who've
lived
there
for
40
years
said:
I've
had
verizon
wireless
for
40
years.
I've
never
dropped
a
call
the
day
after
they
filed
this
application.
My
service
went
to
hell,
every
other
call
drops.
Could
they
be
shutting
off
one
of
the
antennas
and
they
do
they
power
them
down?
O
O
Smart
local
zoning
boards
require
applicants
to
submit
visual
impact
analysis
now,
what's
the
purpose
of
that?
What's
a
visual
impact
analysis
well,
they're
supposed
to
do
a
simulation
they'll
do
a
balloon
test
or
they'll.
Do
a
computer
simulation
and
they'll
take
photographs
from
various
perspectives
and
they'll
give
it
to
the
planning
board
when
the
planning
board
is
deciding
whether
or
not
to
grant
their
application?
O
Now?
What's
the
purpose
of
visual
impact
analysis,
the
whole
purpose
is
to
give
the
board
an
accurate
depiction
of
the
actual
adverse
aesthetic
impact
this
150-foot
tower
is
going
to
inflict
upon
the
homes
20
feet
away.
You
know
what
they
always
omit.
They
never
ever
provide
you
with
photographs
taken
from
the
perspective
of
the
closest
homes.
O
Now
that
decision
came
down
16
years
ago,
I've
been
citing
it
before
local
boards
for
16
years
and
in
every
single
case
every
day
I
see
they
still
do
the
same
thing,
all
of
them
all
the
site
developers
all
the
carriers.
They
always
omit
photographs
taken
from
the
closest
times.
When
you
see
it,
you
know
they're
trying
to
mislead
you.
A
A
H
Thanks
deb,
once
again,
mr
campanelli,
thank
you
for
the
report.
I
want
to
go
back
to
some
comments
that
we've
heard
from
the
public-
and
we
mentioned
this
as
in
our
early
discussions
and
that's
the
idea
of
revoking
the
permit
under
certain
conditions,
and
so
assuming
that
can
be
done
as
as
long
as,
as
you
probably
say,
we
have
to
have
an
appeal
process
and
stuff
like
that,
but
what
what
kind
of
constraints?
H
So,
if,
if
they
don't
conform
to
certain
parts
of
the
regulations
we
would
have,
would
we
would
have
the
power
to
revoke
their
permit?
Is
that
correct.
O
Well,
when
you
talk
about
revocability,
it
depends
upon
the
the
the
circumstances
that
would
enable
the
municipality
to
revoke
their
permit,
and
even
if
you
did
you'd
have
to
have
a
hearing.
You
know
the
most
aggressive
provision
I
ever
worked
on
was
for
the
city
of
calabasas,
that's
in
california
about
an
hour
outside
l.a
that
I
worked
on
probably
10
years
ago,
and
they
actually
adopted
a
key
town
provision
which
is
really
kind
of
creative
and
basically
a
key
town
provision.
O
Deputizes
every
citizen
in
the
city
of
calabasas
and
what
it
says
is:
not
only
can
the
citizens
do
rand?
Not
only
can
the
city
do
random
testing,
but
that
provision
enables
citizens
to
pay
themselves
to
do
random
testing
on
wireless
facilities
and
if
they
found
a
facility
emitting
radiation
levels
which
exceed
the
fcc
limits,
they
can
actually
bring
an
action
in
state
supreme
court
to
seek
revocation
of
their
permit
and
if
they
prove
in
court
that
the
facility
exceeded
the
fcc's
limits,
the
operating
facility
has
to
pay
their
lawyer's
fee.
O
So
that
was
the
most
aggressive
one.
But
what
cities
can
do
is
if
you
do
random
testing,
you
could
put
a
provision
in
your
code
that
says
if
we
find
your
facility,
it's
sitting
the
fcc's
limits,
then
we're
going
to
give
you
a
hearing,
and
you
have
to
show
cause
why
we
shouldn't
revoke
your
permit
as
long
as
you
give
them
notice
an
opportunity
to
be
heard,
and
you
revoke
it
because
they
operated
it
illegally,
meaning
in
excess
of
the
fcc's
limits.
I
think
you're
safe.
I
will
tell
you
this.
O
The
fcc
is
not
your
ally.
I
have
seen
case
after
case
where
people
have
reported
to
them
that
a
facility
was
exceeding
the
fcc's
limits
on
general
population
exposure
limits
and
the
fcc
did
nothing.
Finally,
after
three
or
four
or
five
times
complaining
about
the
same
facility,
the
fcc
finally
fined
them,
but
it
took
years
and
they
complained
five
times.
N
On
on
that
note,
actually
I'm
just
as
a
brief
follow-up.
I
know.
One
question
that
I
believe
cynthia
had
posed
was:
if
you
have
multiple
installations
on
a
single
pole,
how
are
you,
how
is
the
city
permitted
to
go
about
measuring
that
radio,
radio
emissions?
That's
an
excellent
question
and
how
does
that
apply
on
private
property?
Is
a
related
closely
related
question
that
I
think
cynthia
had
also
okay?
Well,
whether.
O
It's
on
private
property
or
public
policy;
it
probably
it
works
the
same
way
when
you
have
multiple
transmitters
on
the
same
facility.
The
transmitters
can
actually
increase
the
overall
radiation
level
coming
off
that
facility,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
want
to
get
an
rf
engineer
when
an
rf
engineer
does
a
testing.
O
I
mean
anybody
can
go
online
and
buy
an
rf
meter
and
do
a
test,
but
you
need
an
rf
engineer,
who's
going
to
know
how
to
conduct
the
test
know
how
to
use
the
device
know
how
to
average
the
signal
strength,
but
you're
not
supposed
to
take
one
blip
in
time.
You're
supposed
to
take
multiple
readings
and
average
them
know
how
to
explain
the
conditions
under
which
the
test
was
taken.
F
Yes,
this
may
be
an
uneducated
question.
It
seems
like
there's
possibly
a
competition
between
broadband
service
providers
and
wireless
service
providers.
O
That's
a
good
question.
I
mean
there
is
other
there's
this
claim
that
elon
musk
is
putting.
I
don't
know
300
000
satellites
in
space.
I
don't
know
where
we're
going,
but
I'll
tell
you
this
right
now
in
the
5g
rollout
there's
a
race
going
on
and
the
race
is
between
the
site
developers
and
the
site
developers
are
trying
to
install
as
many
facilities
as
they
can
as
fast
as
they
can
and
stretch
their
capital.
O
Investment
monies,
so
a
crown
castle
is
is,
is
installing
a
lot
of
facilities
and
externet
is
installing
a
lot
of
facilities,
and
I
have
seen
based
on
what
I've
seen
across
the
entire
united
states
in
rolling
these
things
out.
Very
often,
they
will
go
to
the
jurisdictions
that
have
the
weakest
local
zoning
codes,
because
those
weakest
local
zoning
codes
are
the
cheapest
place
to
put
deepest
locations
in
which
to
install
facilities.
They'll
get
the
most
bang
for
their
infrastructure
buck.
O
If
they
have
a
very
simple
permit
requirement
that
doesn't
require
a
lot
of
stuff,
they
can
go
and
install
hundreds
of
dos
nodes
in
that
in
that
jurisdiction.
Whereas
if
the
next
town
has
a
very
stringent
code,
it
makes
them
jump
through
a
lot
of
hoops
and
it
costs
money
and
it
takes
longer
they'll
actually
go
around
that
town
and
they'll.
O
It's
like
water
flowing
up
against
the
least
the
path
of
least
resistance,
so
the
better
your
local
zoning
code,
the
more
you
will
delay
the
installation
of
unnecessary
wireless
facilities
because,
right
now
the
vast
majority
of
five
installations
are,
at
this
point
in
time
completely
unnecessary,
they're
not
necessary
to
remedy
a
gap
in
service,
because
in
most
areas
where
they're
going
there
are
no
carriers
that
are
seeking
to
provide
service
there,
yet
they're
being
installed
for
the
future,
and
you
don't
have
to
let
them
put
facilities
in
solely
for
future.
Use.
O
And
by
the
way,
if
by
delaying
things,
there
comes
a
new
technology
that
makes
these
things
moot
great,
then
they'll
never
go
in.
That's
what
I
was
thinking,
it's
very
possible.
The
other
thing
is,
you
can
try
to
be
proactive.
You
could,
theoretically,
some
cities
have
approached
the
wireless
industry.
That
said,
look
we'd
really
rather
just
hardwire
everything
with
fiber
optics.
Can
we
work
at
a
deal
where
you
guys
don't
come
in
here
with
5g?
We
don't
want
to
see
site
developers
putting
up
nodes
every
300
feet
in
residential
neighborhoods.
O
Would
you
be
willing
to
work
out
a
plan
with
the
city
of
ithaca
to
wire
as
much
in-ground
fiber
optic
cable,
as
we
possibly
can
rendering
the
need
for
5g
small
cells
and
dos
nodes
minimal,
if
not
eliminated
altogether?
Now
I
don't
think
you'll
eliminate
it,
but
you
could
cut
down
massively
70
or
80
percent.
O
But
in
the
meantime,
I
guarantee
you
site
developers
are
coming
in
and
they're
going
to
want
to
put
in
hundreds
of
nodes,
hundreds
if
not
thousands
new
york
city
just
gave
a
blanket
approval
for
the
installation
of
22
000
small
cells
in
new
york,
city
and
they're,
claiming
that
even
cumulatively
they
have
no
potential
for
any
adverse
impact
on
the
environment.
22
000
of
them.
O
Q
Q
Can
we
like
preemptively,
say
no
new
installations
until
we
have
updated
design
guidelines
in
place,
because
what
I'm
hearing
you
saying
is
that
once
it
goes
in,
you
cannot
retroactively
remove
the
installations.
O
Yep
yeah
your
best.
Your
best
avenue
of
pursuit
is
to
amend
your
code
as
quickly
as
you
can
to
invest
yourself
for
the
maximum
power
to
control
these
things
once
they're
in
they
have
a
vested
property
right,
there's
not
much.
You
can
do.
Q
And,
and
so
we
could
pres,
because
these
are
design
guidelines
in
the
code
we
could
put
in
a
moratorium
on
new
installations
until
those
new
design
guidelines
are
drafted
and
a
new
permit
process
and
and
everything
is
put
into
place.
O
O
B
Know,
yes,
thank
you
first.
Let
me
just
add
my
thanks.
This
has
been
a
very
informative
opportunity,
your
document
and
the
answers
to
our
questions.
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
that.
That
idea,
I
think,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
there
could
be
a
potential
in
the
near
future
that
the
limits
that
are
currently
set,
I
think
you
said
in
the
original
act
of
1996-
could
change
if
the
fcc
changes,
those
limits.
B
O
No
question
about
it:
if
they
change
the
general
population
exposure
limits,
the
existing
facilities
would
theoretically
have
to
be
powered
down.
I'm
not
overly
optimistic
for
two
reasons:
number
one.
I
think
that
for
the
government
to
actually
do
a
review
and
change,
the
limits
would
probably
take
years
even
worse,
with
the
amount
of
money
that's
being
used
to
influence
legislators
in
congress.
I
don't
see
that
going
favorably
truthfully.
O
When
I
started
this
when
I
started
really
handling
this
in
volume
22
years
ago,
some
of
the
the
wireless
companies
that
are
installing
cell
towers
back
20
years
ago
are
based
in
other
countries
like
germany
and
the
the
equipment
that
they
were.
Installing
united
states
was
banned
in
germany.
O
E
O
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
campanelli
can
just
in
in
simple
terms
what
are
two
three
four
things
we
could
do
to
get
site
developers
to
be
much
less
enthusiastic
about
blanketing
our
city
with
their
equipment.
O
The
answer
is
really
kind
of
simple,
and
that
is
draft
code
provisions
which
are
designed
to
best
you
with
the
maximum
power
to
control
the
placement
of
these
facilities
to
the
greatest
extent
intended
by
congress
when
it
adopted
the
act.
In
other
words,
you
can
force
them
to
prove
that
they
really
need
to
put
these
facilities
where
they
want
most
of
the
times.
They
won't
be
able
to
prove
it,
and
the
reason
is
they
are
never
guided
by
a
desire
to
put
these
things
in
the
least
intrusive
locations.
O
They
are
guided
by
a
desire
to
put
them
in
the
cheapest
locations,
and
typically,
you
can
probably
legitimately
turn
down
their
applications.
90
of
the
time,
especially
when
it's
a
site
developer.
I
can
tell
you
that,
in
my
experience,
when
a
verizon
or
a
t-mobile
has
a
real
significant
gap
in
personal
wireless
service,
they'll
build
the
tower
themselves.
The
applicant
would
application
would
come
directly
from
verizon
or
at
t
or
t-mobile.
It
wouldn't
come
from
a
site
developer.
If
it's
coming
from
a
site
developer,
there's
a
really
good
chance.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
to
get
to
the
rest
of
our
agenda.
Unfortunately,
as
much
as
we
may
want
to
spend
more
time
with
you,
we
sincerely
appreciate
all
of
this
information.
I
think
it's
been
very
helpful
for
us.
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
I
know.
Joanne
is
also
here,
she's
been
taking
notes
and
I'm
sure
joanne
and
crain
and
ari
will
gather
and
then
ouri.
A
N
My
apologies.
Yes,
I
think
that
is
the
next
step
and
we'll
need
to
fine-tune
exactly
which
upcoming
meeting
that
would
come
to,
but
I
think
that
that's
exactly
right,
crin
did
you
have
anything
else.
You
wanted
to
add
or
briefly
ask.
I
know
we
are
trying
to
move
on
the
agenda,
but
this
is
anything
crucial.
R
I
don't
think
so
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
probably
some
more
follow-up
that
we'll
need
to
do
when
we
fine-tune
what
we're
doing
here
so,
but
I
appreciate
you
coming.
O
O
A
A
F
A
R
I
just
would
say
that
this
is
something
that's
been
vetted
by,
not
only
you
know
the
attorneys,
obviously,
but
but
also
gene
grace
the
forester
and
matt
slageski
and
water,
and
sewer
and
tim
logue
in
engineering.
So
it's
it
was
a
little
bit
of
a
long
longer
process
for
a
nice
egg
easement.
But
I
think
it
covers
what
our
future
goals
are
for
that
area,
so
that
we
can
establish
a
walking
path
and
still
have
access
to
the
reservoir.
A
Any
other
questions
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
right.
4.2
someone
want
to
move
that.
H
One
I'll
take
that
one
deb
I'm
on
the
right
page.
This
is
a
fire
department,
amendment
to
the
personnel
roster,
whereas
the
two
firefighter
positions
and
one
deputy
fire
chief
position
were
funded
in
the
2020
budget,
but
not
filled
due
to
a
hiring
freeze
caused
by
the
fiscal
impact
of
the
covet
19
pandemic
and
whereas
two
firefighter
positions
and
one
deputy
fire
chief
positions
were
not
funded
in
the
2021
budget
due
to
the
fiscal
impact
of
the
pandemic
and
the
city
budget.
H
And
whereas
the
reduced
number
of
firefighter
positions
caught
increasing
overtime
expenditures
when
there
were
retirements,
extended,
sick
family
leave,
military
deployments
and
injuries
and
whereas
the
fire
department
does
not
have
a
deputy
chief
as
part
of
the
management
to
lead
the
department.
In
the
absence
of
the
fire
chief
and
whereas
the
fire
department
requests
an
amendment
to
the
2021
roster
for
the
funding
of
two
firefighter
positions
and
one
deputy
fire
chief
position
on
july.
1
2021.
H
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
personnel
roster
of
the
ithaca
fire
department
shall
be
amended.
Effective
july.
1
21
as
follows:
fund
one
deputy
fire
chief
position
fund
two
firefighter
positions
and
be
further
resolved
that
the
following
2021
budget
accounts
shall
be
amended
as
follows,
and
then
there
are
details
of
the
accounts
and
the
amounts
to
be
amended
for
a
total
of
187
434
dollars
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
funding
for
this
change
shall
come
from
federal
stimulus
funds
provided
by
the
american
rescue
plan
and
the
general
fund
balance.
An
iso
move.
A
Is
there
a
second
rob?
Thank
you.
So
I
think
first,
I
think
this
is
the
first
request
that
maybe
looks
like
it's
specifically
tied
to
the
money
that
came
from
the
federal
government.
I
know
maybe
between
steve
and
the
mayor,
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
sort
of
how
that
is,
all
how
that
is
all
going
to
move
forward,
and
then
maybe
we
can
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
specifically
about
this
request.
M
Yeah
sure
so
the
the
american
rescue
plan,
steve
is,
is
deeper
in
the
weeds
than
me,
but
it
is
council
will
know
this.
Is
the
funds
passed
by
the
federal
government
to
help
municipalities
build
back
better
from
the
covet
pandemic?
They
have
issued
guidelines
on
what
you
can
and
cannot
spend
the
money
on.
M
We
want
to
be
very
careful
that
we
don't
spend
this
money
on
recurring
salaries
right
things
that
will
obligate
the
city
on
a
recurring
basis
well
into
the
future,
because
of
course,
this
money
is
one
time
once
in
fact,
in
a
lifetime.
That's
not
to
say
that
we
shouldn't
consider
the
chief's
request.
I
would
just
suggest
that
if
the
council
funds
the
positions
that
we
do
it
out
of
the
contingency
budget
instead
of
the
american
rescue
plan
funds,
because
again
we
should
be
using
those
money
monies
for
one-time
expenses.
A
D
Yeah,
basically,
it
was
two
firefighters
and
and
the
deputy
chief
because
of
the
impact
of
the
pandemic.
D
You
know
we
went
to
all
departments
and
looked
for
reductions
in
you
know:
resources
for
all
departments,
so
yeah
as
as
the
mayor
said,
it's
important
that
we
look
very
carefully
at
the
money
that
we
receive
from
from
the
american
rescue
plan
and
how
we
spend
that,
and
we
do
that
very
carefully
and
planned.
D
So
I
would
concur
with
the
mayor
that
this
this
would
be
a
better
situation
if
we
went
to
the
contingency
account-
and
you
also
see
that
later
in
the
agenda,
I
have
an
an
amendment
to
the
contingency
account
because
of
our
additional
state
aid
that
we'll
be
receiving
this
year.
We
can
talk
about
that
later,
but
I
do
agree
that
this
probably
makes
better
sense
to
go
against
the
contingency
account.
At
this
point,.
M
And
so
the
process
for
those
american
rescue
plan
funds
will
dovetail
with
the
budget
process.
So
what
we're
asking
is
that
regular
internal
capital
projects
review
committee,
because
they
review
all
the
the
large
one-time
expenditures
that
the
city
uses
usually
with
borrowed
funds,
but
in
this
case
would
be
with
federal
funds.
We're
asking
them
to
review
all
the
american
rescue
plan,
requests
as
well
and
then
submit
to
counsel
in
the
regular
course
of
our
budget
process.
D
And
just
just
to
note
for
your
information,
we
will
be
receiving
16
million
92
000
in
funds,
and
those
funds
come
to
us.
This
actually
should
be
here
in
within
a
week,
the
first
half
and
then
a
year
from
now
we
would
get
the
second
half
of
those
monies.
D
We
would
have
to
spend
those
monies
by
the
end
of
2026
and
they
need
to
be
obligated
by
the
end
of
2024,
so
those
are
kind
of
some
of
the
general
rules,
but
we'll
get
into
later
during
our
budget
process
we'll
get
into
you
know
where
we
can
spend
that
money
in
those.
H
Sure,
let's
hear
from
tom
and
then
we
can
go
to
questions.
S
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
add
to
this.
We
did
have
this
funded
last
year.
We
did
not
fill
those
positions
and
we
didn't
fill
other
positions
because
of
the
hiring
freeze.
We
recovered
some
of
those
in
this
year's
budget,
the
ones
that
were
frozen
last
year,
so
we
brought
back
in
because
of
retirements
and
vacancies.
From
last
year,
we've
brought
in
five
new
employees.
S
We
have
a
couple
more
to
hire
this
summer,
but
the
deputy
chief
position.
We
we
have
no
fallback
position
for
management
if
I'm
no
longer
available
to
serve
or
temporary
out
of
position,
I'm
relying
on
assistant
chiefs,
who
are
not
a
management
they're
part
of
the
the
leadership
team,
but
they
are
still
not
management.
S
They
can't
decide
how
to
pay
bills
et
cetera,
hiring
and
firing
it's
not
within
their
purview
or
their
job
description
that
they
are
part
of
the
the
unionized
workforce
fire
department,
and
this
I
haven't
had
a
deputy
chief
since
chief
dorman
retired,
so
it's
it's,
it's
I've
been
stringing
along
for
a
while
like,
but
as
time
is
ticking
away,
I
think
it's
time
we
bring
the
deputy
chief
back
to
the
department.
S
I
really
could
use
the
two
firefighters
we're
going
to
get
hit
pretty
hard
because
of
our
vacancies
right
now,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
build
some
resiliency
in
our
staffing.
So
we
don't
have
these
minimal
staffing
or,
in
this
case,
under
staffing
that
we're
experiencing
now
trying
to
build
some
buffer
into
our
organization
for
the
future.
S
So
I
I
don't
care
where
the
money
comes
from.
I
did
think
it
fit
within
some
of
the
amer
from
what
I
read
of
the
american
recovery
plan,
and
I
wasn't
looking
at
this
coming
out
of
those
funds
indefinitely.
I
was
looking
at
those
funds
for
this
year
for
since
we
didn't
spend
them
last
year
when
we
went
through
the
pandemic
and
and
then
we
would
build
this.
The
budget,
our
2022
budget,
based
on
these
being
funded
through
the
general
fund.
H
Yeah,
thank
you,
deb
and
thank
you
chief
for
that
perspective.
So
yeah
I
mean
you
said
you
don't
care
where
the
money
comes
from.
I'm
sure
steve
does,
if
we're
reliable,
steve,
to
give
us
that
guidance,
and
I
don't
have
the
details
about
the
american
rescue
plan,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
you
know
it's
it's
a
rescue
plan
not
just
for
infrastructure,
I
hope
in
capital
projects,
but
also
to
try
and
alleviate
some
of
the
immediate
pressures
that
the
city
is
under
in
terms
of
staffing.
H
H
That
is,
if
you
like,
band-aids
to
to
restore
some
of
the
impacts
on
city
staff
for
a
limited
time
and
and
steve,
I
know
you
said
we
can
fit
this
from
contingency,
but
I
hope
we'll
see
you
know
more
guidelines
in
how
we
can
use
that
american
rescue
plan,
because
I
think,
having
limited
time
commitments.
H
I
certainly
understand
that
we
can't
have
long-term
commitments
using
those
funds,
but
I'm
also
pleased
to
hear
that
the
time
frame
for
that
is
not
you
know
the
end
of
next
year
or
something,
but
it's
actually
several
years
out
that
we
can
plan
to
to
use
that
funding.
So
I
hope
we'll
have
the
maximum
flexibility
there
and
not
just
build
new
roads
and
bridges.
Much
as
I
love
those.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
thanks
everyone.
I
actually
I
do
agree
with
graham
on
this.
I
I
want
to
make
sure
we
understand,
because
we
have
made
this
commitment
before
right.
The
chief
has
been
very
persuasive
in
the
past
and
arguing
for
this
deputy
chief
position.
B
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
remember
that,
so
I
I'm
sort
of
agnostic
about
where
it
comes
from.
As
long
as
we
recognize.
That
is
the
commitment
that
we're
making
and
to
graham's
point,
there's
probably
other
areas
within
the
city,
staffing
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
that
way,
and
so
it
will
be
helpful
for
us
to
have
a
better
handle
on
what
what
the
overall
plan
is
with
this
funding.
So
thanks
yeah.
M
I
just
want
to
caution
us
from
getting
in
the
habit
of
using
the
american
rescue
funds
to
make
these
sort
of
long-term
commitments
which
hiring
a
firefighter
is
it's
at
least
a
20-year
commitment,
because
if
you
do,
then,
when
the
funds
run
out
three
years
from
now,
we
could
find
ourselves
facing.
You
know
a
multi-million
dollar
deficit
that
we've
then
got
to
raise
the
property
taxes
a
bunch
to
catch
up
to
so
I
I
and
I
do.
I
think
there
are
things
in
between
it
to
graham
and
rob's
point.
M
There
are
things
in
between
roads
and
bridges
and
hiring
full-time
staff,
members
that
could
show
an
investment
in
our
staff
and
ease
their
workload
from
technological
investments
that
will
make
their
work
easier
to
supplies,
materials,
investments
in
the
facilities
that
have
long
gone
underinvested
in
and
possibly
even
temporary
or
part-time
workers
that
that
we
hire
and
put
on
board
using
those
funds.
So
points
points
well
taken
from
graham
rob.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
being
clear
about
my
hesitance
of
of
using
the
american
rescue
funds.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
understood
completely,
and
but
I
do
want
to,
I
do
want
to
think
my
understanding
of
it
would
be.
The
funding
would
be
in
this
year's
budget
and
that
beyond
this
year's
budget,
wouldn't
necessarily
be
the
american
rescue
plan
money
that
it
would
be
built
into
the
city's
budget.
B
Based
on
all
the
things
you
just
said,
sales
tax
increases,
you
know
all
the
other
ways
we
bring
in
our
normal
or
whatever
normal
is
any
more
level
of
revenue,
so
yeah.
So
I
guess
I'm
just
I
I
that
was
my
understanding.
So
to
me
it
didn't
matter
if
we
did
contingency
or
not
it's
a
commitment
that
we're
going
to
build
it
into
next
year's
budget
beyond
this
year,.
S
S
Obviously
they
they
had
budgeted
for
this
last
year
and
we
didn't
tap
into
it,
so
they
they've
obviously
had
the
opportunity
to
collect
and
not
pay
us,
because
we
didn't
have
expenditures,
but
I'm
hoping
that
my
conversation
with
the
town
board
soon
will
prove
support
for
us
to
fill
these
positions
as
well.
A
D
Yeah
we
we
believe
the
town
is
so
the
the
plan.
The
act
actually
has
two
kind
of
two
sources
here.
One
is
entitlement
cities,
so
that's
would
be
like
the
city
of
ithaca
and
then
the
others
are
are
non-entitlement
cities,
and
that
would
be
like
the
town
of
ithaca
and
smaller
municipal
municipalities
and
those
funds
have
to
go
through
new
york
state
for
non-entitlement,
city
or
municipalities.
D
Those
funds
go
through
new
york
state
and
then
are
distributed
from
the
state.
So
it's
a
it's
a
longer
process
and
a
little
different
process
than
than
what
we
will
see,
because
we'll
see
a
direct
payment
from
the
department
of
treasury
with
our
funds
so
and
the
other
thing
is
these
funds
are
pretty
restricted
when
you
start
going
through
and
we'll
do
this
in
detail
coming
up
in
the
next.
You
know
few
months
but
they're
pretty
restrictive
on
how
you
can
spend
the
money.
D
The
most
flexibility
that
we
will
have
is,
with
our
revenue
loss
from
kovid.
So
there's
a
calculation
that
you
go.
Look
at
your
year
before
covid
impact
which
would
be
2019.
D
You
you
you're
able
to
factor
in
a
growth
factor,
and
then
you
come
out
with
a
calculation
of
a
revenue
loss.
Those
monies
are
more
flexible
than
what
we
can
use,
those
for
and
then
the
rest
of
the
funds
are
pretty
restricted
in
how
we
can
use
those.
So,
oh
again,
it's
just
basically
we're
getting
into
the
the
details.
D
A
B
Yep
as
4.3
fire
department
amendment
to
the
2021
operating
budget,
whereas
ten
thousand
dollars
was
authorized
in
the
2020
budget
for
a
mobile
data
terminal
replacement
and
whereas
24
184
dollars
was
authorized
in
the
2020
budget
for
fire
hose
portable
radios
and
pagers,
and
whereas
the
replacement
of
mobile
data
terminals,
fire
hose
portable
radios
and
pagers
is
part
of
a
multi-year
replacement
plan
and
whereas
in
2020
34
184
dollars
in
budgeted
funds
that
were
not
ex
expended
due
to
the
city.
Controls
purchasing,
freeze
caused
by
the
cobia
19
pandemic.
B
And
whereas
a
funding
funding
was
not
included
in
the
2021
operating
budget
to
offset
the
elimination
of
the
2020
budget,
replacement
of
mobile
data
terminals,
radios,
pagers
and
firearms.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
following
2021
budget
accounts
be
amended,
and
the
two
accounts
are
here
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
common
council
hereby
transfers
an
amount
not
to
exceed
thirty.
Four
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
four
dollars
from
unrestricted
contingency
account
listed
here
to
the
above,
listed
accounts
to
purchase,
said
equipment,
and
I
so
move.
A
E
Air
rights
parcel
at
the
eastern
section
of
the
green
street
garage
requires
the
owner
of
the
marriott
hotel
hotel,
ithaca
llc,
to
relinquish
their
rights
to
purchase
the
everest
parcel.
Whereas
the
proposed
green
street
hotel
parking
game
between
the
city
and
hotel
ithaca
renegotiates
and
replaces
the
existing
2014
hotel
parking
game
for
marriott
hotel
guest
parking,
including
reliqua,
relinquishment
of
the
purchase
option
on
the
city.
Era's
barcelona,
whereas
the
proposed
green
street
site
green
garage
hotel
parking
agreement
reduces
the
number
of
parking
spaces
allocated
from
hotel.
E
Parking
garage
with
new
reconstructed
parking,
whereas
rent
during
the
initial
30-year
term
is
structured
to
cover
the
actual
construction
costs
without
profit
to
the
developer,
whereas
rent
during
renewal
terms
is
based
on
amortizing
city
approved,
new
capital
improvements,
police
premises,
whereas
on
august
25th
2020,
the
city
of
ithaca
planning
development
board
acting
as
leaders
to
determine
the
project.
A
12-story
mixed-use
building,
including
parking
to
release
the
city
results
of
no
significant
adverse
impacts
on
the
environment.
E
Now,
therefore
be
a
result
of
the
city
of
mexico.
Council
hereby
authorizes
the
mayor,
subject
to
city
attorney,
review
to
execute
documents
substantially
similar
to
the
following
agreements
and
such
other
documents
as
necessary
to
effectuate
the
same
to
satisfy
contingencies
contained
in
the
disposition
and
development
agreement
for
irsa.
I
r?
U
I
r?
I?
U
r
a
sailed
air
rights,
parcel
of
the
e-sectional
debris
garage
redevelopment
reached
a
garage
hotel
parking
agreement
dated
may
19th
2021
and
the
city
parking
lease
agreement.
Each
section
of
the
gracie
garage
dated
may
19th
2021.
T
That's
a
request
from
the
marriott
based
on
their
actual
utilization.
They
found
that
they
weren't
utilizing
90
parking
spaces
and
by
reducing
the
number
it
provides
much
more
flexibility
to
the
city
to
meet
other
parking
needs
downtown,
so
it
can
be
viewed
as
a
win-win.
It
will
reduce
the
revenues
coming
in
through
the
parking
agreement,
but
provides
a
city
with
much
more
flexibility
to
only
designate
55
parking
spaces
for
the
hotel.
H
H
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
can
I
move
that
as
written
or
do
you
want
me
to
read
stuff
out.
H
N
N
Me,
local
law,
it
has
a
very
narrow
set
of
impacts.
One
odd
comment:
I
guess
I
should
make
up
front
as
we
discuss
it.
Is
that,
to
the
extent
that
council
wants
to
pass
this
local
law
at
the
upcoming
council
meeting,
we
actually
can't
amend
it
tonight.
I
apologize
for
that
reality,
but
this
is
what
happens
when
we
ship
the
ca
meeting
so
close
to
the
council
meeting
when
we
shifted
the
weeks
of
ca
and
pedc
a
while
ago.
N
We
don't
have
long
enough
for
a
local
law
to
age
in
between
one
and
the
next.
So
I
just
want
to
note
that,
obviously,
if
you
want
to
make
amendments
anyway,
that's
an
option,
but
it
would
mean
that
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
pass
the
next
council
meeting.
H
So
tom,
could
you
just
summarize
what
the
amendment
is
actually
doing
in
terms
of
the
tax
there.
P
It's
very
simple:
it's
just
deleting
some
language
that
exempted
certain
not-for-profit
entities
from
being
required
to
collect
the
tax
and
with
with
the
rollout
of
the
of
the
tax.
This
was
identified
as
an
issue,
and
so
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
to
maximize
the
revenue
collection
to
support
the
conference
center
and-
and
so
this
would
correct
that
error
and
and
hopefully
achieve
that
goal,
and
so.
N
Hotel
and
I'll
add
that
I
have
spoken
with
university
council's
office
and
cornell
indicates
that
they're
fully
prepared
to
participate
in
in
the
collections.
What
the
law
is
amended.
F
I'll
go
4.6
controller's
office
request
to
amend
the
2021
authorized
budget
to
account
for
additional
state
aid,
whereas
the
2021
authorized
city
budget
included
just
over
2
million
dollars
for
state
aid
and
incentives
for
municipalities,
otherwise
known
as
aim
based
on
the
new
york
state
budget
at
the
time
and
whereas,
as
the
kova
19
pandemic,
financial
impacts
have
been
reduced
due
to
federal
aid,
infusion
and
better
financial
activity,
and
whereas
new
york
state
has
now
approved
a
budget
for
2021
2022.
F
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
common
council
hereby
amends
the
2021
authorized
city
budget
to
account
for
the
additional
state
aid
as
follows:
increased
revenue,
general
state
aid,
522
thousand
and
eighty
dollars
increased
appropriation
in
the
contingency
account
the
same
number
and
I.
A
F
A
D
No,
this
is
just
you
know.
The
basic
premise
here
is
that
we're
adjusting
the
the
21
budget
based
on
different
information
than
we
had
back
when
we
were
developing
the
21
budget,
and
this
gives
us
the
most
flexibility
of
moving
forward
and
for
determination
of
how
to
spend
those
additional
monies.
M
F
A
A
All
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
with
an
extra
vote
from
the
mayor,
perfect,
I
think
for
the
next
one.
These
are.
This
is
just
a
bond
request,
so
if
we
could
just
have
someone
move
it
and
second
it
and
then
steve
can
talk
us
through
it
a
little
bit
and
that'll
at
least
allow
us
to
move
it
to
the
common
council
agenda
next
month.
So
someone
willing
to
move
it
graham.
Is
there
a
second
rob?
Thank
you
so
steve.
D
Yeah
so
again
we
borrow
twice
a
year
generally,
and
so
this
is
our
second
issuance.
We
had
the
the
last
one
we
did
in
february,
and
so
this
is
any
projects
that
have
been
previously
approved
by
council
and
where
we
need
to
fund
those
those
current
projects,
and
so
the
projects
currently
included
in
this.
This
authorization
would
be
the
south
cuga
street
bridge
deck
replacement,
the
giles
street
sidewalk
project
and
the
south
albany
street
bridge
improvement
project,
and
that
totals
about
two
million
six
hundred
and
ninety
thousand
dollars.
D
We
won't
need
all
of
that
funds
we'll
need
about
two,
a
little
over
two
million
dollars
of
those
funds
to
offset
expenses
that
we
foresee
in
the
next
six
months,
and
so
this
just
allows
us
to
bond
those
funds,
as
we
will
in
july,
and
so
this
is
the
authorization
authorization
for
that.
The
market
currently
is
still
pretty
good
for
interest
rates.
D
The
environment
is
still
in
the
low
interest
rate
environment,
so
for
us,
and
do
do
recall
that
we
were
recently
downgraded
from
a
double
a
two
to
a
double
a
three
that
does
impact
our
interest
rates
a
little
bit.
D
But
not
terribly
we're
still
in
a
very
good
we're
still
a
very
good
investment
for
for
the
borrowers,
and
so
we
feel
that
we'll
still
get
a
good
rate
with
the
market
currently,
but
we
are
seeing
that
interest
rates
are
starting
to
creep
up
now,
because
inflationary
activity
is
starting
to
show
it's
it's
it's
had
to
here.
D
As
a
result
of
you
know
the
rebound
from
from
covid,
so
we
think
we're
still
gonna
get
a
good
interest
rate
on
this
on
these
funds,
and
so
this
is
the
authorization
authorization
for
that
issuance
and
we
expect
to
have
the
formal
resolution
from
our
bonding
attorney
by
friday.
So
we
get
that
into
the
council
agenda
packet
for
your
approval
next
week,.
A
H
H
D
Yeah,
so,
as
I
mentioned
in
in
the
notes
there,
we
are
still
very
we're
in
we
have
very
high
debt
load.
One
of
the
reasons
we
were
downgraded
is
because
of
that
the
high
debt
load,
but
there's
also
reasons
why
we
have
high
debt
load.
One
of
the
things
is,
we
do
you
know
a
lot
of
infrastructure
work
in
the
city.
D
We
are
looking
at
most
of
our
projects
that
were
were
issuing
for
currently
our
projects
that
we're
seeing
about
a
95
percent
reimbursement
from
the
state
and
federal
government,
so
excellent,
excellent
projects
for
the
city,
where
we
only
have
to
pay
five
percent.
We
will
get
that
money
back
at
some
point
recently.
We
have
been
kind
of
level
with
our
debt,
so
that's
that's
at
least
we're
starting
in
the
right
direction.
D
We'd
love
to
get
the
the
debt
load
down
as
we
move
forward
and
we'll
try
to
do
that
by
moving
funds
around
here
with
you
know
the
infusion
of
additional
state
in
federal
aid
coming
to
us
in
the
next
couple
years,
we'll
look
at
that
and
hopefully
reduce
our
debt
load,
because
that
just
gives
us
flexibility
down
down
the
line
with
our
financial
activity.
When
we
have
a
lower
debt
load,
because
you
do
have
to
pay
the
obviously
you
have
to
pay
principal
and
interest
first
before
anything
else.
D
Once
you
commit
those
funds.
In
addition,
we
do
expect
that
interest
rates
will
begin
to
creep
up,
as
we've
seen
here
in
the
last
couple
months.
They
are
from
very
historic
lows.
We
expect
that
to
continue
over
the
next
few
years,
so
that
will
also
impact
us
negatively
with
a
high
high
debt
load.
So
it's
important
that
we
try
to
continue
to
work
at
lowering
that
that
overall
debt
service
load
as
we
move
forward.
A
All
right,
so
we
have
those
are
all
of
our
voting
items.
For
this
evening
we
have
some
special
guests
with
us.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
those
volunteers
that
have
been
still
continuing
to
plug
along
and
do
the
work
of
our
commissions,
and
so
we
also
appreciate
your
flexibility
when
we
had
a
little
bit
of
a
an
overload
at
our
meeting
last
month
and
we
had
to
push
you
to
this
month.
A
So
we
sincerely
appreciate
you
being
willing
to
move
to
this
and
we
are
ready
to
give
you
our
full
attention
to
learn
about
snow
removal
and
based
on
what
the
weather
forecast
looks
like
it
might
even
snow
on
friday,
so
this
might
be
more
relevant
than
we
think
in
in
may
into
june.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
eric
and
hector.
So
thank
you.
So
much
do
either
of
you
need
to
share
the
screen.
A
U
Okay,
thanks
deb
good
evening,
I'm
eric
lerner,
I'm
chair
of
the
city's
mobility,
accessibility
and
transportation
commission,
I'm
here
to
report
on
what
we
learned
from
our
public
survey
on
pedestrian
snow
removal,
but
first
I
want
to
quickly
thank
all
of
matcom's
volunteer
commissioners
who
helped
in
this
project
as
well
as
dr
nguyen
and
laura
lewis,
our
council
liaisons,
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
making
time
for
us
tonight.
I
know
you
have
a
busy
agenda.
U
Our
survey
got
responses
from
more
than
800
ithacans,
including
more
than
1200
written
comments.
In
addition
to
all
the
multiple
choice
questions,
my
report
is
our
attempt
to
briefly
synthesize
that
mountain
of
data
on
a
surprisingly
complex
subject
into
a
coherent
narrative,
then
hector
chang,
will
show
you
graphics,
illustrating
the
most
important
survey
results.
U
I
expect
and
hope
that
my
report
will
raise
some
questions
in
your
mind
and
that
hector
will
then
answer
many
of
them.
So
I
hope
you'll
note
your
questions
and
save
them
until
the
end.
A
complete
tabulation
of
all
the
response
data
is
on
the
matcom
page
of
the
city
website,
as
well
as
the
text
of
this
report,
which
includes
a
summary
table
of
response
data
that
I
will
not
take
the
time
to
read
aloud
to
you.
Hector
slideshow
will
also
be
available
online
soon.
U
U
We
were
preparing
a
report
to
counsel
on
the
survey
results
when
we
were
interrupted
by
kovid
matcom
resumed
meeting
in
october
of
2020
and
approved
this
report.
At
its
april
2021
meeting
some
background
plan,
ithaca,
prioritizes,
active
transportation
over
motor
vehicles
quote
a
fundamental
goal
is
to
achieve
a
sustainable
system
offering
viable
alternatives
to
private
automobile
trips.
U
In
january
of
2019,
this
committee
approved
a
commission
project
form
for
matcom
on
pedestrian
snow
removal.
It
asked
quote:
are
the
main
issues
with
lack
of
sidewalk
clearing
by
property
owners,
large
piles
of
snow,
at
curb
cuts
and
corners
other
issues,
and
does
the
public
want
the
city
government
to
take
on
more
of
the
responsibility
for
keeping
pedestrian
routes
open
or
to
enforce
more
vigorously
the
regulations
that
exist?
How
much
more
is
the
public
willing
to
pay?
U
U
U
U
U
U
Often
the
obstruction
is
mounded
snow
and
slush,
where
the
sidewalk
meets
the
street
often
that
obstruction
remains
for
days
after
the
traffic
lanes
and
sidewalks
are
clear
and
there's
just
one
illustration
of
that
in
my
virtual
background
here,
but
we've
got
lots
of
pictures.
If
anybody
is
really
interested,
and
here
we
need
a
pivotal
clarification
when
people
complain
about
curb
cuts.
U
U
U
U
I
Hector,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
eric
and
thank
you
everyone
in
the
sorry
in
the
committee
to
for
making
it
this
time.
I
myself
haven't
the
last
time
that
I've
rehearsed
this
was
like
back
in
april.
When
I
thought
we
were
gonna
go
then
I've
been
camping
in
the
adirondacks.
All
these
pe
all
these
past
days,
so
not
really
a
lot
of
time
to
practice,
but
I
hope
that
I'm
not
too
rough
on
my
presentation,
so
I'm
just
gonna
go
ahead
and
share
here
we
go
and
one
quick
anecdote.
I
I
thought
the
hotel,
the
tax
item
on
the
agenda
was
gonna
take
longer
and
then,
when
you
guys
said
it
was
like
gonna
be
short,
I
booked
it
immediately
from
the
burlington
waterfront.
So
this
is
why
I
look
like
I'm
in
a
hotel
because.
L
I
I
guess
so
once
again,
I'm
pectin
one
of
the
commissioners
on
matcom,
I'm
here
to
quickly
present
on
some
of
the
findings
from
the
survey,
especially
some
of
the
numerical,
the
quant,
the
quantitative
findings
from
some
of
the
key
questions
that
we
thought
highlighted
the
themes
that
eric
brought
up
in
his
intro
from
about
the
survey
just
as
a
quick
timeline,
so
that
you
know
where
we're
at
in
2018
macomb,
both
me
and
eric
did
start
doing
a
little
bit
of
research
on
other
cities
and
the
current
situation
in
terms
of
snow
removal
from
sidewalks.
I
This
was
on
the
behalf
of
deb
and
others
in
the
cia
committee,
who
are
interested
in
exploring
this
issue
because
they
heard
a
lot
of
public
feedback
in
their
emails
about
this
in
january,
ca
issued
one
of
the
first
commission
project
forms.
With
that
specific
query
in
mind.
I
believe
eric
read
it
out
loud
in
his
part,
but
basically
are
the
main
issues
with
the
lack
of
sidewalk
clearing.
It
was
about
property
owners
who
is
it
who's
at
fault
waters?
I
Since
then,
we
developed
the
survey
in
the
summer
of
2019,
and
then
we
launched
it
in
november
just
right
before
a
snowstorm.
So
that's
why
we
got
a
lot
of
responses.
For
some
reason,
every
single
milestone
in
this
timeline
is
corresponding
with
a
snow
event
for
whatever
reason.
So
in
january
we
present
the
preliminary
key
findings.
I
There
was
a
snowstorm,
then
at
the
at
the
macomb
meeting
in
january,
we
started
coding
responses,
which
is
like
the
written
responses
to
question
16.
With
the
help
of
our
commissioners,
we
had
every
single
person
responded
in
the
open
open-ended
section,
and
then
we
had
the
code
19
pause
in
the
middle
of
2020.
we
reactivated
into
october.
We
finalized
the
analysis
in
january
april
this
year,
and
then
we
are
now
presenting
to
you
here.
I
I
really
hope
it
doesn't
continue,
but
it
just
seemed
to
like
every
time
you
talk
about
snow.
There
is
no
so
something
that
you
should
know
about
is
kind
of
like
this.
The
who
really
answered
the
survey
and
compare
that
with
the
city
of
ithaca
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
the
types
of
people
that
were
answering
the
survey.
So
we
got
814
completed
surveys
and
that's
what
we
based
our
findings
on
the
race
and
ethnicity,
gender,
the
people,
the
rate
of
people
with
disabilities.
I
Suffice
all
self-identified,
of
course,
is
more
or
less
good,
comparing
pretty
good
in
comparison
with
the
stats
of
the
city
of
ithaca
as
a
whole.
So
we
have
a
big
representation
of
really
a
broad
cross-section
of
it
against
represented
in
that
survey,
we
also
got
representation
from
all
neighborhoods.
It's
a
little
bit.
The
main
differences
between
the
survey,
responding
group
and
the
rest
of
the
city
is
that
the
majority
of
them
were
homeowners.
I
73
percent
of
the
respondents
were
identified
as
homeowners
in
the
city,
so
they
are
very
much
invested
in
this
because
they
are
ultimately
responsible
for
snow
shoveling
outside
their
their
sidewalks
and
also
the
majority
of
the
people
who
answered
were
middle
age
and
older.
82
percent
of
the
respondents
were
over
the
age
of
35
and,
as
you
know,
many
people
most
people
really
in
ithaca
are
not
college
age.
So
a
lot
more
long-term
residents,
a
lot
more
homeowners
represented
in
this
survey.
I
I
So
people
had
concerns
about
specific
places
such
as
snow
and
ice
piled
in
piles
around
the
curb
cutter
in
the
crosswalk
23
of
people
said
that
that
was
the
main
issue,
which
is
the
theme
which
is
the
kind
of
like
the
query
of
question
16
the
big
open-ended
question:
what
is
the
main
issue
with
snow
removal
from
pedestrian
walkways
in
ithaca,
so
snow
and
ice
on
curb
cut
and
crosswalk?
Then
icy?
I
Sidewalks
was
another
big
highlight
the
ones
that
are
highlighted
in
yellow
are
kind
of
the
ones
that
kind
of
rose
to
the
top
based
on
the
count.
Essentially,
people
had
concerns
about
specific
properties,
and
basically
everyone
gets
blamed
homeowners
and
residents,
renters
and
landlords
and
kind
of
themselves
when
they
said
that
it
was.
It
was
too
hard
time
consuming
or
too
expensive
for
many
people.
So
really
everyone
is
sort
of
responsible,
based
on
at
least
on
the
open-ended
questions
that
people
answered.
I
Other
things
that
people
brought
up
in
that
open-ended
question.
People
were
complaining
about
the
inconsistency
of
when
or
how
the
sidewalks
are
cleared.
Some
people
touch
an
enforcement
and,
as
you
can
see
at
the
very
bottom
right
there,
people
who
just
answered
that
it's
not
a
problem
very
much
in
the
minority,
one
percent
or
nine
total
responses
out
of
the
800
and
730
written
responses.
I
In
this
case,
we
also
had
an
additional
question:
question
17,
where
it
was
just
like
any
other
comments
and
the
ones
that
rose
to
the
top
there
city
should
take
more
responsibility
for
managing
snow
removal
and
also
people
answered
the
lack
of
enforcement.
So
the
lack
of
enforcement-
clearly
not
maybe
the
major
issue,
the
main
issue,
but
definitely
something
that
comes
up
when
asked
like
what
else
essentially-
and
that
is
basically
what
we
found
from
the
actual
questions
where
people
had
to
answer
specific
answers
to
get.
Essentially
our
quantitative
results.
I
I
I
We
paired
that
question
up
with
this
graphic
in
the
survey
itself,
which
was
online
so
people,
you
know
who
may
have
not
known
what
a
curb
cut
is.
They
could
think
about
it.
But
as
eric
mentioned,
when
we
dove
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
comments
we,
the
problem
actually
came
up
a
little
bit
more
clearly.
So
it's
really
the
ends
of
the
crosswalk
that
people
were
complaining
about
and
from
the
comments.
These
are
direct
comments
from
the
public.
Pedestrian
walkways.
I
Aren't
the
problem
city
plows
that
fail
to
adequately
clear
the
road
in
crosswalks
push
snow
that
has
been
cleared
from
the
sidewalk
back
onto
the
sidewalk
and
blood
cleared.
Curb
cuts
are
the
problem,
and
then
another
person
wrote
in
that
there's
a
constant
battle
between
the
plows
and
the
owners
for
the
curb
cuts
and
driveways.
I
Here's
some
highlight
some
pictures
that
eric
took
on
a
walk,
I
think
in
january
or
february,
and
you
can
see
that
the
one
on
the
right
is
the
one
that
eric
uses
as
his
virtual
background,
you
can
see
that
the
owner
property
owner
cloud
all
the
way
to
the
curb
cut
where
they
were
responsible
for,
and
then
you
have
that
big
pile
of
snow
on
the
left.
I
You
see
albany
street,
I
believe
the
albany
street
bridge,
so
that
is
completely
responsibility
of
the
city
and
even
then
they
did
a
very
good
job
on
the
bridge
itself
and
you
know
you
got
to
give
it
to
them.
Bridges
get
icy
so
that
middle
section
where
it
goes
over
the
water
is
a
little
icy,
but
you
can
see
the
cloud
salt
and
then
you
get
to
the
curb
cut,
which
is
still
better
than
the
one
on
the
right,
but
clearly
it
was
a
little
bit
left
to
someone
else's.
It's
someone
else's
problem.
I
The
next
major
finding
that
we
found
was
the
impact
on
people
that
sidewalks
no
clearing
had
or
the
lack
of
it.
So
while
most
responded
or
55
disagreed
or
strongly
disagreed,
when
we
were
at
when
when
we
asked
them,
whether
pedestrian
walkways
are
cleared
of
snow
and
ice
to
a
degree
that
they
can
easily
get
around.
So
we
were
asking
about
themselves
when
we
started
filtering
those
results
for
just
people
who
self-identified
as
women,
just
people
who
self-identified
as
over
65
and
just
people
who
self-identified
as
having
a
disability.
I
The
disagreement
was
disproportionate,
so
a
woman
who
was
women
were
60
percent
disagreed
with
that
statement
of
whether
they
can
easily
get
around
people
over
65
63
disagree
with
it
and
people
with
disabilities.
It's
76,
which
is
a
lot
especially
when
you
look
at
the
strongly
disagree.
So
you
can
see
how
the
people
with
disabilities
strongly
disagreed
more
than
the
average
respondent
from
the
survey.
I
Those
were
echoed
in
the
comments
I
didn't
want
to
highlight
them
at
this
point,
but
you
know
you
can
see
why
people
would
say
that
the
last,
the
third
finding
that
we
found
was
the
lack
the
knowledge
or
lack
thereof,
of
the
ordinance
and
specific
aspects
of
it.
So
we
essentially
kind
of
gave
people
a
quiz
within
the
survey
itself.
We
asked
a
couple
of
true
or
false
questions
about
six
aspects
of
the
law
and
people
just
either
answered
right
answer
wrong
or
they
could
also
select.
They
didn't
know.
I
Surprise
surprise,
but
maybe
not
a
property
is
next
to
x2g
crossing,
do
not
need
to
clear
a
curb
cut.
Most
people
did
not
know,
apparently
whether
that
was
true
or
false,
and
the
it
was
the
question
that
had
the
most
wrong
answers
on
it
14.
That
being
said,
the
majority
of
people
still
got
it
right.
Essentially,
most
people
got
the
right
answers
for
all
of
these
questions
as
a
quick
test
for
you.
I
Just
looking
at
it
in
your
head,
true
or
false
these
questions,
and
then
the
ones
that
were
false,
where
that
one
on
top
and
also
pedestrian
bus
walkways,
must
be
cleared
of
snow
and
ice.
If
you
didn't
know
that
already,
you
should
probably
know
that
by
now
the
other
one
that
people
probably
didn't
know
mainly
was
that
the
material
they
needed
to
put
some
sort
of
material
based
on
to
provide
traction
traction
on
the
traction
when
the
ice
is
too
hard
to
remove
not
usually
too
much
of
an
issue
nowadays,.
I
Key
finding
number
four
out
of
five
so
we're
almost
there
the
enforcement
of
the
ordinance.
That
was
something
that
a
majority
people
disagreed
or
strongly
disagreed
with
when
we
asked
them
about
it
about
their
satisfaction
with
it.
So
about
a
quarter
just
strongly
disagreed
and
about
30
percent
disagreed
with
the
enforcement
of
the
ordinance
and
from
the
comments
we
dug
up
some
highlights
from
the
public.
I
The
same
houses
are
never
shoveled:
either
they
don't
care
about
paying
the
fines
or
they
have
never
been
fined
and
also
from
the
same
list
of
comments,
the
same
people,
properties
or
properties
are
always
the
problems.
Enforcement
appears
to
be
non-existent
or
is
not
severe
enough.
So
that's
really
the
flavor
of
what
people
think
about
the
enforcement
they're
not
satisfied
with
the
current
situation.
Just
don't
know,
what's
the
problem
with
it
essentially.
Is
it
because
you
don't
do
it?
Is
it
because
you
do
it
too
much
and
people
don't
care?
I
L
C
I
But
you
can
dig
into
that.
If
you
have
questions
in
the
full
report
that
we
can
put
out
with
all
the
numbers
for
each
of
the
questions
and
the
last
one,
the
last
key
finding
that
we
have
two
parts
is
the
interest
in
change.
We
had
two
questions
devoted
to
how
people
felt
about
changing
the
system,
so
a
majority
of
people
from
that
survey
63,
disagree
or
strongly
disagree
that
the
current
system,
personal
removal,
is
working
that
it's
sufficient
for
the
winter.
I
Strongly
disagreed
32
strongly
and
just
disagreed.
31
from
the
comments
quick
highlights,
it
seems
impractical
to
have
each
resident
remove
snow
because
everyone
will
do
things
differently.
Some
people
might
be
out
of
town
otherwise,
from
unable
to
remove
snow
comments
that
eric
highlighted
in
his
summary
report
and
then
relying
on
residents
to
clear
their
own
sidewalks
is
completely
unreliable
from
one
particular.
I
I
40
essentially
strongly
agreed,
and
then
31
agreed
with
that
statement
and
from
the
comments
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
people
were
feeling
and
thinking
the
curse.
The
corners
or
curb
cuts
are
terrible.
Blaming
property
owners
for
lakes
of
ice
is
not
okay.
The
city
needs
to
take
more
responsibility,
and
another
person
also
said
that
the
main
issue
is
private.
I
Responsibility
of
a
public
good,
especially
insulting
with
a
motor
vehicle
pathways,
are
clear
perfectly
the
latter
part
as
a
bike
pet
advocate,
I
feel,
but
really
the
first
part
is
really
kind
of
like
the
main
crux
of
the
issue.
This
is
a
public
good
in
a
city
where
I
think
was
it.
30
of
people
walk
to
work,
walk
to
work,
that's
the
highest
percentage
in
the
nation.
I
I
That
is
it
for
the
presentation.
So
I'm
happy
to
take
questions.
Comments,
concerns
I'll
still
be
on
vacation,
so
the
questions
have
to
come
now
or
they
go
to
eric,
or
I
will
answer
them
when
I
come
back.
A
Great,
I
don't
we
also.
We
have
another
item
after
yours
that
I
think
is
also
going
to
be
a
pretty
lengthy
discussion.
That
is
not
to
say
that
I
don't
want
to
give
people
time.
I
we
really
appreciate
this.
I
know
that
when
this
first
came
to
city
administration,
there
were
just
sort
of
this.
This
amorphous
blob
of
we
don't
even
really
know
what
people
are
thinking
or
what
is
on
people's
minds.
So
I
think
what
would
be
probably
helpful
is
if
you
could
send
these
materials
to
us.
A
That
would
be
great
and
then
what
we
might
do
is
figure
out.
You
know
if
you
know
what
next
steps
we
might
want
to
take,
but
it's
very
helpful
to
see
pretty
clearly
that
there's
general
consensus
that
there
are
things
that
are
not
working
for
people,
but
there
are
also
not
clear-
and
I
didn't
expect
the
survey
to
give
us
this
answer,
but
there
isn't
a
clear
sort
of
root
cause
of
what
the
problem
is.
A
It
sort
of
seems
to
be
a
layered,
tiered
situation
causing
some
of
the
problems,
but
this
is
very
helpful
for
us
to
at
least
target
where
we
might
want
to
concentrate
some
city
effort
or
do
a
more
do,
a
more
concentrated
study
on
what
it
may
look
like
for
the
city
to
take
over.
You
know
to
sort
of
take
over
sidewalk
clearing.
I
will
open
the
floor
for
any
quick
comments
or
questions
and
let's
say
we
can
dedicate
no
more
than
another
10
minutes
to
this.
So
if
there's
anyone
who
has
comments
graham.
H
Just
quickly,
I
want
to
thank
you
hector
and
eric
for
that
and
thank
matcom.
I
really,
as
deb
said.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
really
helpful.
H
I
was
pleased
to
see
the
curb
cuts,
because
that's
one
of
my
real
concerns
that
they're
very
dangerous
and
so
to
see
those
recognized
as
a
top
priority
that-
and
I
think
enforcement-
not
I
think
for
its
own
sake,
but
to
try
and
improve
compliance,
because
my
sense
is
that
you
know
I
mean
I
know
compared
to
some
other
municipalities
that
I
visit.
I
think
people
are
very
responsible
in
ithaca,
but
there's
obviously
plenty
of
room
for
improvement.
So
thanks
for
doing
all
that
work,
it
was
really
impressive.
B
I'll
I'll
add
my
thanks
and
you
know
say
21
years
ago,
when
I
bought
a
house
on
a
corner
next
to
an
elementary
school.
B
I
didn't
quite
fully
grasp
what
I
was
getting
myself
into,
but
I
am
quite
the
expert
on
curb
cutting
snow
right
now.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
this
has
been
taken
up
a
question.
I
know
I
don't
think
this
was
part
of
your
study,
but,
as
deb
alluded
to
I
I
I
mean
I
understand
there
are
other
communities
that
have
taken
on
a
city
responsibility
for
this,
and
so
I'm
curious
if
you've
had
any.
U
The
place
we're
most
interested
in
is
rochester
where
at
least
judging
from
their
website,
they
have
a
very
interesting
program
where
the
the
city
takes
over
supplementary
pedestrian
sidewalk
snow
removal
when
the
snow
is
deep
enough
and
there's
a
lot
of
ways
in
which
we're
we
have
the
similar,
but
not
the
same
climate
as
them
and
we're
a
smaller
city.
But
we
haven't
really
had
the
resources
to
research
that
beyond,
what's
already
presented
on
the
rochester
website.
That's
certainly
something
we'd
hoped
to
get
to.
There
were
also
some
developments
in
syracuse.
U
Where,
again,
we
all
our
information
is
pre-covered
and
and
not
fully
researched.
We'd
need
authorization
from
this
committee
to
really
move
forward
and
make
a
new
project
of
it,
and
I'm
very
much
hoping
we're
going
to
do
that.
I
Yeah
syracuse
had
a
pilot
project
that
was
set
up
pre-coveted
and
we're
not
really
sure
what
happened
since
two,
more
close
by
municipalities
that
take
care
of
sidewalks
are
kyogre
heights
and
truman's
the
village
of
trumansburg,
both
all
both
of
them,
both
villages,
clear
up
all
the
sidewalks
within
village
boundaries.
They
don't
have
as
many
of
course,
but
they
also
you
know,
do
them.
So
that's
a
little
bit
interesting.
A
All
right,
I
think,
that's
a
good
place
for
us
to
stop
for
now,
certainly
more
discussion,
more
work
to
do
again.
Really.
Thank
you
so
much
thanks
for
your
patience
with
moving
this
to
this
month,
especially
knowing
that
hector's
on
vacation
and
is
still
committed
enough
to
working
on
this
project
to
be
here
with
us.
I.
I
A
H
N
Yep,
so
you
should
have
the
chief
there,
I
believe
and
maury
justin
from
my
office
and
mike
simons
and
potentially
rick
rogers
and
also
potentially
richard
all
from
the
community
police
court.
Richard
oh.
A
V
I
thought
I
changed
that
I
had
to
use
this
foreign
interview
recently,
so
I
apologize.
A
N
V
I
can
I
can
give
it
a
quick
start
and
then,
or
you
can
fill
in
where
I
missed,
and
I
know
you
have
a
portion-
that's
probably
best
from
your
office
also
so.
N
And
as
we
start
as
we
start,
I
just
want
to
note.
I
do
have
the
two
documents
ready
to
share
on
screen
so
once
we
turn
to
the
substance
of
those
I'll
share
those
on
the
screen
as
well.
But
if
you
want,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
make
a
couple
introductory
comments,
first,
chief
or
if
you'd
like
me
too,
by
the
way.
V
I'll
just
start
off
by
kind
of
a
real
intro
for
everybody.
In
a
couple
months
ago,
mayor
meyer
tasked
some
the
cpb
police
board
myself
and
offered
up
vol
told
the
attorney's
office
to
give
us
a
hand.
V
I
think-
and
we've
had
a
really,
I
think,
productive,
cohesive
process
here,
where
we've
all
kind
of
come
together
and
worked
through
some
some
problems
that
we've
identified-
and
this
is
all
kind
of
a
combination
of
a
really
difficult
year-
that
we
we
experienced
nationally
and
here
locally
with
all
the
protests,
and
it
culminated
in
some
arrests
and
some
of
the
takeaways
from
the
police
department.
V
I
think,
are
important
to
recognize,
and
that
was
that
there
really
wasn't
a
written
policy
that
we
had
on
hand
how
to
address
these
types
of
protests
or
demonstrations.
V
We
had
procedures,
and,
but
we
just
didn't,
have
a
written
policy
that
we
could
refer
to
on
the
base
training
us
that
was
a
takeaway
that
we
had
from
from
all
this
and
also
another
takeaway
was
that
there
really
wasn't
enough
direction
for
the
public
on.
You
know
how
to
protest
where
to
protest
and
some
parameters
so
that
everybody
could,
you
know,
understand
what
what
we
were
looking
for
and
what
we
would
support,
and
you
know
what
would
be
acceptable.
So
those
are
some
big
takeaways
and
I
really
appreciated
the
working
group.
V
You
know
several
members
of
cbb,
richard
shari,
mike
and
rick,
also
jumped
in
a
couple
of
times
and
ari
and
maury
were
really
great
at
helping
facilitate.
So
I
think
there
was
some
really
great
communication
based
on
a
lot
of
really
strong
legal
standing,
and
I
think
we
were
able
to
collectively
bring
it
to
something.
That's
really
positive
for
our
community.
That
will
help
the
department
and
also
help
the
community
moving
forward
in
these
situations.
A
N
Thank
all
you
thank
you,
keith,
so
and
I'll
just
note
in
terms
of
those
presents,
I
I
think
the
community
police
board
asked
mike
to
sort
of
take
the
lead
on
on
their
behalf
in
as
part
of
this
presentation,
but
we
have
some
other
members
from
the
board
here
as
well,
which
is
wonderful,
and
with
that
I
will
share
the
screen.
There
are
two
documents
that
the
overall
working
group
put
together
that
were
a
joint
effort.
N
The
first
is
a
sort
of
pamphlet
style,
color-coded
document.
Can
everybody
see
this
now?
H
N
And
this
is
the
intended
to
be
the
more
accessible
of
the
two
documents
that
would
give
the
public
a
sense
of
the
guidelines
and
expectations
around
protest
activity
in
the
city
and
which
types
of
behavior
are
encouraged,
which
types
are
cautioned
and
which
types
are
outright
prohibited
to
be
clear.
Obviously,
none
of
this
is
amending
new
york
state
law.
New
york
state
law
has
actual
rules
in
it
that
I
need
needless
to
say
about
when
an
arrest
could
occur.
N
But
what
the
yellow
zone
in
particular
here
is
showing
is
where
the
police
department
would,
in
many
cases
choose
to
exercise
more
restraint
before
making
an
arrest,
even
where
new
york
state
law
otherwise
said
that
that
arrest
them
would
be
appropriate.
N
So
I
don't
know
if
I
can
imagine
mike.
I,
I
wonder
if
you
want
to
speak
to
a
bit
of
this
on
behalf
of
the
police
board,
in
particular
in
terms
of
how
this
is
set
up,
but
I'm
also
happy
to
speak.
I'm
sure
the
chief
is
as
well
or
more.
W
Sure,
well,
thanks
for
inviting
me
appreciate
all
of
the
support
that
that
was
given
during
this
process.
So
this
really
came
from
the
the
protests
and
our
investigations
in
in
some
of
them,
specifically
the
the
protests
on
october
22nd
that
involved
several
arrests
and
as
far
as
the
community
police
board,
went
several
complaints
and
and
investigations.
W
So
we
we've
recommended
that
something,
like
chief
jolie,
said
something
for
the
community
and
for
and
for
the
police,
because
we
heard
both
confusion
about
the
expectations
for
conduct
at
protests
from
the
police
and
from
protesters
when
we
were
doing
that
investigation.
W
So
this
it
was
a
great
collaborative
effort
and
we
wanted
to
start
from
a
positive
and
proactive
place
where
we
could
make
it
clear
that
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
we
embrace
the
constitutional
rights
to
freedom
of
speech
and
assembly,
regardless
of
the
message
being
presented
and
and
also
where
those
lines
are.
Even
though
there
are
some
yellow
gray
lines
that
we
have
have
specified
in
in
our
little
brochure.
W
So,
as
you
can
tell
in
the
green
zone,
it's
it's
everything
that
the
constitution
affords
and
we
just
wanted
to
affirm.
All
of
that
language
and
even
give
some
positive
examples
of
of
what
people
could
do
within
that
and
a
lot
was
drawn
from
many
different
sources,
including
the
aclu
georgetown
law
from
bigger
cities,
much
bigger
cities
like
new
york
city
and
washington,
d.c
for
the
the
specifics
within
that.
W
So
we
we
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
a
clear
link
between
the
what
we
do
on
the
community
police
board,
because
we
are
citizens
of
ithaca
who
are
appointed
to
the
possession
to
make
sure
that
we're
focusing
on
improving
relations
between
the
community
and
the
city
police
department.
N
N
The
next
is
to
that
will
sort
of
be
a
segue
out
into
the
segway
us
into
the
second
document
that
I
have
about
to
share
with
you
that
we
have
to
share
with
you
is
that
our
group
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
looking
both
at
the
appropriate
behavioral
thresholds
for
members
of
the
public
in
a
protest
setting,
but
also
for
our
ipd
officers
in
that
protest,
setting
to
make
sure
that
officers
understood
clearly
what
they
should
and
should
not
be
doing
in
those
settings
and
to
set
appropriate
guardrails
in
terms
of
the
way
protests
would
be
approached
by
our
officers,
and
that
brings
us
to
our
second
document.
N
And
that
second
document
and
I'm
guessing
the
chief
may
want
to
take
the
lead
on
speaking
to
this-
is
the
general
order
that
we
sort
of
collaboratively
put
together,
though,
at
the
end,
of
course,
general
orders
are
ordered
into
effect
by
the
chief.
Can
everybody
see
the
general
order
now
yep?
We
can
already
yep
great
thank.
C
N
So
I'll
let
the
chief
start
off
speaking
to
this.
It's
much
much
more
detailed
than
the
first
document,
because
it
is
a
full
general
order.
We're
obviously
not
going
to
go
through
every
word
of
this.
If
they
paid
is
wrong,
but
it
can
give
you
a
general
flavor
of
what
we're
after
here
and
if
you
have
any
questions
about
the
specifics,
we're
happy
to
speak
to
them
and
then
I'll
talk
to
you.
V
Thanks
all
right,
so,
as
everyone
has
a
chance
to
kind
of
look
at
this,
this
is
I
know
it's
been
emailed
around
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
on
the
screen,
but
it's
it's
approximately
eight
pages
long
and
what
we've
done
is
we've
tried
to
have
this
directly
correlate
to
the
the
green,
yellow
and
red
kind
of
items,
and,
as
you
read
through
this,
this
is
has
a
lot
more
detail
and
direction
for
the
officers.
V
So
we
can
refer
to
it
train
based
on
it,
but
essentially
what
we
do
is
we
kind
of
we've
broken
down
the
activities
from
activity
into
categories
and
that's
listed
in
this
general
order
of
yellow
and
those
are
the
ones
where
they
technically
are.
Violations
of
either
city
code
or
state
law
and
arrests
generally
would
be
authorized
without
any
specific
approval
by
a
supervisor
for
any
officer
in
a
general
setting.
V
However,
we
are
specifically
outlining
that
at
you
know,
protests
large
demonstrations
that
we
are
we're
asking
officers
not
to
or
we're
directing
them,
not
to
just
make
arrests
on
these
yellow.
V
Essentially,
the
yellow
category
of
violations,
because
they're
generally
low
level
violations-
and
we
don't
want
to
you-
know-
create
a
larger
problem
than
what
we
have
and
so
basically
in
the
yellow
area.
The
officers
would
essentially
require
approval
from
a
supervisor
to
make
an
arrest
on
any
of
those
minor
low-level
things.
V
So,
depending
on
the
totality
of
the
circumstances,
the
incident
commander
at
the
scene
would
make
a
decision
on
whether
or
not
it
was
in
the
best
interest
of
you
know
the
department
of
the
community
to
take
action
on
those
low-level
offenses
or
if
it
would
be
better
for
the
community
and
the
department
to
maintain
a
safe
area
for
those
activities
to
continue.
V
And
then
it
also
goes
on
to
address
the
red
which
the
red
is.
You
know
much
more
clear
violations
generally
with
weapons
and
aggressive
actions
that
could
cause
injury
to
people
and
those
officers
would
be
able
to
respond
without
approval.
However,
we
would
like
you
know
we're
asking
it
if
approval
if
they
can
get
approval.
They
do,
however,
in
the
red
they
have
the
authorization
to
take
action.
V
If
it's
an
immediate
thing
without
that,
and
then
also
some
of
the
other
points
that
came
out
of
discussions
with
the
cpb
and
based
on
their
their
investigations
and
their
interviews
with
the
public,
there
was
some
question
about
when
and
how
unlawful
assemblies
could
be
could
be
ordered
or
called
and
how
the
process
would
go.
So
that's
also
included
in
this
document
as
a
reference
for
the
department.
Obviously,
and
then
all
of
our
policies
are
online,
so
this
will
be
accessible
to
the
public
as
soon
as
it's
issued
out.
N
Yeah,
that's
and
I
think,
because
I
know
the
committee's
time
is
already
stretched
in
tonight.
I
will
stop
there
unless
there's
anything
further
from
any
members
of
the
working
group
that
needs
to
be
added
at
the
moment.
Otherwise,
we're
happy
to
take
any
questions
from
the
committee.
L
N
That
these
materials,
with
any
final
minor
polishing
edits
that
may
be
needed
will
our
aim
is
to
get
them
posted
to
the
city
website
in
the
near
future
and
otherwise
distributed
to
the
public
so
that
everybody
has
good
access
to
them.
A
H
A
I
think
the
question
was
in
section
c,
one
about
firearms,
and
so
it
it
appears
that
the
way
this
this
reads
that
you
could
bring
a
firearm
to
a
protest
right.
So
I
think
ari
gave
a
good
clarifying
answer
to
that.
N
L
N
Or
not
to
a
protest.
What
it's
doing
is
saying
that
the
background
law
that
always
exists
in
new
york,
which
is
that
you
have
to
have
a
carry
permit
if
you're
going
to
bring
a
concealed,
carry
permit
if
they're
going
to
bring
a
firearm
anywhere
in
public
on
a
concealed
basis
that
even
that
would
not
be
enough
to
permit
someone
to
bring
a
firearm
to
a
protest
where
ibd
has
ordered
that
firearms
are
not
welcome
at
that
protest.
H
Yeah
just
to
follow
up,
deb
and
and
ari
and
chief,
thank
you
yeah.
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
you
know
that
it's
not
saying
that
people
can
can
bring
them.
You
know
in
general,
but
we
can
specifically
prohibit
that
for
a
specific
incident
and
and
that
that
would
be
enforced
by
ipd.
So
I
guess
I
hadn't
thought
about
that
before.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that
in
the
actual
general
orders.
A
O
A
N
For
sure,
thank
you
that's
a
great
point
jeff,
so
yeah.
This
does
not
need
a
vote
of
of
the
committee
or
council,
because
the
guidelines
are
precisely
that
they
are
guidelines
that
the
colored,
the
color-coded
document,
that
is
meant
for
public
reference-
we're
obviously
very
interested
in
council
input
if
you
have
any.
But
those
guidelines
in
turn
are
reflecting
the
content
of
the
general.
N
General
orders
are
regularly
written
and
ordered
into
effect
by
the
chief's
office
on
all
sorts
of
subjects.
The
perhaps
the
most
sort
of
high-profile
precedent
that
council
may
recall,
having
come
to
council
again
on
a
non-voting
basis
of
the
presentation.
A
number
of
years
ago
was
the
general
order
of
governing
body-worn
camera
policies
and
the
program
around
that,
and
obviously
we
spent
a
very
long
time
developing
that
policy,
and
that
was
obviously
of
interest
to
the
council.
So
we
brought
that
for
a
presentation.
N
But
again
that
also
was
not
a
voting
item.
So
if
council
has
any
input
or
concerns,
we'd
love
to
hear
it,
but
the
standard
practice
is
that
these
would
not
be.
A
F
H
Well,
not
so
much
a
question
just
a
a
a
comment
of
thanks.
I
mean
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
way
to
approach
this.
Obviously
there
was
a
lot
of
public
concern
last
year
about
several
events
in
the
city,
and
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
way
to
approach
it.
That
is
the
general
orders,
but
also
this
kind
of
idea
about
this
is
what
it
means
in
terms
of
what
the
expectations
are
from
the
city
and
what
ipd
will
be
doing,
and
I
think
that's
really
important
to
get
that
message
out.
H
So
I
wanted
to
thank
members
of
the
community
police
board
that
gave
input
on
this,
and
I
guess
I'll
say
I'm
particularly
pleased
to
see
that
mocking
of
public
officials
is
in
the
green
zone.
That's.
H
A
All
right,
yes,
thank
you
so
much
thanks
to
our
community
police
board
members.
I
know
this
there's
a
lot
of
thoughtful
work
that
went
into
this
and
that's
very
clear.
So
I
think
this.
N
A
A
I
am
going
to
give
ari
the
honor
of
announcing
what
he
discovered
that
is
going
to
end
up
messing
with
our
timeline
for
our
governance
working
group,
and
then
I
think
I'll
pick
it
up
after
he's
done
and
and
give
you
a
little
summary
of
where
the
working
group
landed
on
what
we're
going
to
do
for
our
next
steps
on
the
city
manager
situation.
So
ari
you
want
to
let
everybody
know
what
you
discovered.
N
Sure
yeah
yeah
thank
you
deb.
So,
as
the
committee
knows,
the
city
has
been
recently
looking
at
a
shift
to
a
city
manager,
slash
council
form
of
government
and
while
maintaining
a
mayoral
position,
of
course,
and
that
would
require
a
referendum.
As
you
also
know,
as
we've
researched
the
issue,
it
has
become
clear
that
new
york
state
law
recently
amended
the
referendum
procedures
in
the
election
law,
requiring
that
the
city
file
any
local
law
for
referendum
with
the
board
of
elections.
N
We
have
to
file
it
with
the
board
of
elections
at
least
three
months
prior
to
the
election
on
where
out
with
you
would
appear
on
the
ballot.
So
that's
an
august
second
filing
deadline
this
year
and
when
you
add
in
some
other
required
procedures
that
are
required
by
new
york
state
law
that
I
won't
bore
you
with
at
the
moment.
N
The
bottom
line
is
that
the
latest
that
common
council
could
take
a
final
vote
at
least
comfortably
and
there's
probably
nothing
comfortable
about
it
on
this
local
law
would
be
july
14th
of
this
year,
which
is
extremely
soon.
Q
N
Be
the
final
vote
on
the
entire
local
law?
We
had
a
very
productive
conversation
earlier
this
week
with
the
working
group
of
some
of
your
colleagues
on
council,
including.
H
C
N
L
N
Miss
this
falls
ballot,
and
that
is
the
determination
that
the
council
working
group
made
earlier
this
week
as
a
recommendation.
Obviously,
the
committee
can
weigh
in
weigh
in
on
it
now
and
we're
interested
in
your
thoughts.
So
what
would
that
mean?
It
would
mean
that
council
could
still
act
on
the
local
law
this
year
and
formulate
with
a
more
deliberative
timeline,
how
you
wanted
to
go
about
passing
such
a
local
law.
N
If
you
want
to
pass
it
a
little,
I
believe
it
could
be
done
in
a
appropriate
and
deliberative
fashion
by
late
summer.
Early
fall,
probably
targeting
like
a
september
final
vote,
something
like
that,
and
it
would
also
therefore
mean
that
it
would
not
be
on
this
falls
ballot,
but
rather
would
get
filed
with
the
board
of
elections.
When
and
if
council
later
this
year
passed
the
final
local
law
and
and
then
it
would
appear
on
the
november
2022
ballot.
N
Next
year's
general
election
ballot
as
a
referendum,
and
that
is
the
basic
procedural
upshot.
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
other
details,
but
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time
than
you.
A
N
After
that,
I
am
after
that,
of
course,
I
am
disappointed
in
the
shift
that
new
york
state
chose
to
make
in
terms
of
requiring
three
months
lead
time
on
the
filing.
That
is
not
what
we
were
hoping
for.
A
Yeah,
the
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
when
ari
brought
this
to
my
attention,
especially
knowing
how
overloaded
and
short
staffed
our
city
attorney's
office.
His
first
solution
was
put
everything
else
away
and
focus
intently
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
meet
this,
despite
the
heavy
lift
that
that
would
be
for
his
department.
So
I
just
want
to
publicly
acknowledge
that
we
have
a
very
dedicated
city
attorney,
who
essentially
was
not
could
have
very
easily
killed
this
and
said,
forget
it.
This
is
impossible,
but
instead
the
first.
A
A
So
I
just
want
to
say
publicly
thank
you
to
ari,
for
for,
for
that,
being
your
first
response,
we're
lucky
to
have
staff
that
think
that
as
their
first
response,
so
putting
that
aside,
we
had
a
lot
of
good
conversation
on
monday,
and
I
think
we
were
just
extremely
uncomfortable
with
how
little
opportunity
council
would
have
to
weigh
in
and
again
not
to
not
to
go
minute
by
minute
through
the
timeline.
A
But
you
know:
not
only
would
it
shorten
our
ability
it
because
of
the
timing
of
when
our
meetings
are,
we
likely
would
have
had
to
add
not
one
but
two
committee
of
the
whole
meetings
in
order
to
make
this
work.
Because
of
the
timing
of
how
long
a
law
has
to
be
laid
on
the
table
for
exchange
in
some
of
these
other
some
of
these
other
pieces.
A
So
we
did
not
feel
that
adding
two
committees
of
the
whole
in
the
middle
of
summer,
when
people
are
sort
of
already
exhausted,
trying
to
take
vacation
and-
and
we
do
have
a
lot
of
other
things-
that
the
city
is
working
on
simultaneously,
that
we
just
didn't
feel
that
that
would
be
easy,
for
anyone
to
even
do
is
to
add
extra
committees
of
the
whole
at
this
time,
and
and
since
the
timeline
was
so
tight,
we
had
really
limited
opportunity
to
dig
into
the
language
of
what
might
be
proposed.
A
An
underlying
issue
with
this
is
that
donna
who's
been
doing
just
some
excellent
work,
identifying
all
of
the
different
locations
where
mayoral
duties
are
referenced
uncovered.
I
guess
what
we're
calling
anachronisms
right
are.
Just
sort
of
unique
and
interesting
things
that
are
assigned
to
the
mayor-
and
we
also
really
wanted
to
allow
for
the
city
attorney's
office
to
have
a
lot
more
time
to
identify
some
of
those
and
to
give
us
sort
of
a
summary
of
what
those
are.
A
There
could
potentially
be
implications
for
us
removing
some
of
those
and-
and
we
know
that
that
work
is
not
exactly
connected
specifically
to
recommending
that
we
have
a
city
manager,
but
that
work
is
certainly
parallel
to
one
another
and
we
wouldn't
want
either
of
those
things
to
be
rushed.
And
we
do
want
to
address
all
of
those
issues,
as
this
working
group
has
identified.
So
that's
where
we're
at
so
it
does
mean
that
we
still
will
look
at
sending
this
to
referendum.
A
It
does
mean
that
we
hope
to
still
vote
on
it
in
2021,
but
since
it
seemed
that
from
our
discussion
at
city
administration,
the
last
time
there
were
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
the
idea,
but
also
a
lot
of
a
desire
to
have
the
language
in
front
of
you
have
an
opportunity
to
review.
It
have
an
opportunity
to
really
take
a
look
at
what
does
that
mean?
What
are
we
changing?
A
What
would
be
the
duties
that
would
be
assigned
to
a
mayor
and
what?
How
would
we
delineate
what
a
city
manager
would
do?
We
just
didn't
feel
like
that
was
enough
time
for
us
to
move
it
forward.
So
that's
where
we're
at
we
will
take
questions
and
suggestions.
Rob
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
to
weigh
in
with
anything.
I
know
you're
part
of
that
working
group
as
well.
B
A
H
Well,
firstly,
I
I
fully
support
this
path.
I
mean
this
is
a
huge
change
for
the
city
and
I
think
to
to
have
it
look
like
it
was
rushed
through
and
ari.
I
certainly
appreciate
I've
always
appreciated
your
efforts,
but
it's
it's
great
to
hear
that
you
even
considered
trying
to
do
this
with
whales
is
going
on.
H
So
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
also
think
it's
presumably
a
a
good
opportunity,
as
you
said
that
for
us
to
really
try
and
get
this
right
and
still
take
a
vote
this
year
and
send
a
clear
signal
about
the
intent
for
next
year-
and
I
guess
my
question
perhaps
for
ari
is
so
if
that,
if
we
take
this
vote
and
then
we
file
that
the
only
thing
that
really
would
be
left,
then
is
the
referendum
next
november
in
in
2022.
That's
that's
the
only
thing
that
would
be
left
to
really
accomplish.
N
That's
right,
there
would
be
no
no
need
for
additional
council
action,
which
I'm
assuming
is.
Your
is
your
course
sort
of
core
question
there.
There'd
be
no
need
for
additional
council
action
between
now
and
the
referendum.
N
There
would
be
basically
after
the
referendum,
there
would
be
potential
staff
action
to
file
the
local
law
with
the
new
york
state
department
of
state
and
some
administrative
issues
like
that,
but
but
that's
right
well
plus
of
course
implementation
once,
but
it
should
be
quite
a
large
item,
but
my
understanding
is
that
the
likely
effective
date
would
be
at
least
a
year,
if
not
two
years
beyond,
so
that
would
leave
an
appropriate
amount
of
time.
N
A
So
we
would
be
able
to
do
that
over
a
little
bit
more
sort
of
protracted
time,
and
then
rob
had
also
mentioned
that
he'll
be
remaining
on
council.
So
if
we
do
need
to
do
any
sort
of
public
information
or
a
campaign
once
it
is
on
referendum
that
you
know,
I'm
not
going
anywhere-
and
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
help
with
that
in
the
future-
and
I
know
rob
will
be
there
as
well,
but
the
dart
like
we
there
won't
need
to
be
a
vote.
A
We
just
might
need
to
remind
everyone
that
this
is
gonna,
be
on
the
referendum
in
november
and
maybe
just
be
prepared
to
answer
some
questions
or
make
a
statement
or
put
out
some
sort
of
general
information.
You
know
hey,
remember,
council,
voted
on
that
in
2021
and
now
it's
on
the
ballot,
so
we'll
certainly
do
public
information.
A
A
All
right,
I
think
I
think
we
are
set
just
one
one,
real,
quick
oddity
about
our
june
meeting.
So
right
now
the
governor's
executive
order
for
remote
meetings
ends
june
17th.
I
think
there
is
a
broad
assumption
that
that
will
once
again
get
extended.
You
might
essentially
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
these
executive
orders
have
related
to
the
pandemic,
have
just
been
extended.
A
You
know,
month
to
month,
so
that
leaves
our
city
administration
committee
meeting
right
now
in
limbo,
because
june
23rd
is
technically
after
the
date
that
it
is
that
that
executive
order
currently
expires,
so
we'll
just
all
need
to
stay
tuned.
A
I
think
we
are
assuming
that
we
will
continue
remotely,
at
least
for
a
few
more
months,
but
we
have
not
yet
seen
that
executive
order
extended
yet
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
better
information
on
that,
but-
and
I
think
our
I
don't
know-
or
if
maybe
the
mayor's-
not
here
anymore-
maybe
shelley
or
steve
have
more
information
on
opening
up
city
hall
and
some
of
the
you
know
some
of
those
other
pieces.
A
I
know
at
some
point:
you'll
have
to
have
a
discussion
about
migrating
people
back,
but
I
certainly
don't
think
we
are
prepared
yet
to
have
meeting
and
public
comment
and
all
the
normal
activity
that
that
we
used
to
have
in
council
chambers
for
some
of
these
meetings.
But
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
more
information
to
share
with
us
on
that.
X
X
You
know,
then
we'll
we,
we
will
make
the
adjustment,
but
at
this
point,
public
access
will
be
by
appointment
and
we're
thinking
too
that
when
we
do
open
in
the
fall
it
may
be
a
phased
process
where
it
wouldn't
be
five
days
a
week.
You
know
it
may
be
a
limited,
limited
access.
So,
okay.
A
So
I
can
say
with
a
fair
level
of
certainty,
we
will
probably
be
remote
for
our
june
city
administration
committee
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
plant
the
seed
in
your
head
that
if
we
get
a
different
directive
from
albany
that
we
may
have
to
all
be
flexible
for
june
and
possibly
july,
so
just
letting
just
letting
you
know
all
right,
any
other
questions
or
things
we
need
to
make
sure
we
keep
on
our
our
radar
for
the
next
meeting.
X
I
just
wanted
to
just
send
a
reminder
that
we
need
to
put
that
cjc
resolution
on
the
council
agenda.
I
know
still
on
top
of
that,
thanks.
A
Anything
else
all
right
do
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
ducks
in
second
invite,
graham,
and
we
will
see
everybody
for
the
council
meeting
next
week
thanks
everyone.