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A
So
we're
good!
Okay,
wonderful!
Thank
you!
All
right!
Welcome
everyone
to
our
august
city
administration
committee
meeting
just
quickly,
as
anyone
have
any
modifications
that
we
need
to
make
to
our
agenda
this
evening.
B
The
topic
is
pending
legislation
at
the
state
level
that
would
allow
public,
like
city
employees,
to
retire
with
the
full
30-year
benefit
after
25
years,
if
they're,
55
years
old,
I
believe,
or
50
years
old
and
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
support
that
as
a
council,
I'd
like
to
hear
other
people's
thoughts
about
it,.
A
A
We'll
see
the
best
way
to
move
it
forward.
Okay,
so
we'll
add
that
as
a
discussion
item
after
our
section
four
anything
else.
A
A
Thank
you,
that's
unanimous,
okay,
so
we
are
embarking
on
a
new
journey
together
this
evening
with
a
public
comment
system.
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
working
with
us
to
try
to
accommodate
the
the
members
of
our
community
that
want
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
us
in
different
ways.
So,
hopefully,
everyone
saw
the
notice
that
we
have
several
different
ways
in
which
now
you
can
engage
with
common
counsel,
and
we
are
piloting
this
evening
and
the
key
word
being
piloting
we've.
A
We
are
not
technical
experts,
but
we're
going
to
do
the
best
we
can
this
evening
with
this
from
our
statements
from
the
public.
A
So
what
you
should
know
is
that
everyone
that
emailed
the
email
link
included
on
the
agenda,
anything
that
you
sent
in
via
that
link
will
be
included
as
a
part
of
the
public
record
and
the
minutes
for
the
meeting
and
what
we
are
going
to
start
now
is
everyone
that
registered
to
speak
at
the
public
meeting
will
have
three
minutes
time
and
you
can
see
a
timer
in
one
of
the
windows.
A
So
if
you
don't
have
the
gallery
view
on
those
of
you
that
are
speaking
you'll
or
you
want
to
either
have
the
youtube,
muted
or
some
way
to
see
the
screen.
So
you
can
see
the
timer
and
we're
also
going
to
give
you
a
one
minute
warning
as
well,
but
we
will
remove
you
when
the
three
minutes
are
up
all
right.
So
I
think,
as
long
as
dan
is
ready,
then
we
are
ready
to
start
moving
people
in
in
the
order
that
they
registered
for
publiccom.
A
A
Move
you
when
the
three
minutes
are
up
all
right,
so
I
think
as
long
as
dan
is
ready,
then
we
are
ready
to
start
moving
people
in
in
the
order
that
they
registered
for
public
health.
A
A
A
We
can
hear
you
and
we're
gonna
start
our
timer.
So
thank
you
for
being
our
first
guinea
pig,
slash,
willing
participant,
slash
public
commenter
in
the
new
normal
go
for
it.
C
I
feel
honored
first
thanks
to
each
of
you
for
working
through
this
very
complex
issue
of
5g,
especially
with
all
the
other
important
things
going
on
right
now
around
us
locally
and
naturally
conspiracy,
theory
hoax,
as
a
teenager
in
the
80s.
These
are
the
words
I
heard
about
a
new
phenomenon:
global
warming,
climate
change,
a
large
swath
of
america
couldn't
accept
the
evidence
that
man
was
causing
disruptive
changes
to
our
climate.
Despite
hundreds
of
data
points
and
studies.
C
Today,
literally,
thousands
of
peer-reviewed
scientific
studies
have
proven
that
pulse
modulated
microwave
radiation
of
cell
technology
is
a
health
hazard
to
humans.
Thousands.
This
is
why
no
fire
station
will
allow
cell
towers
near
them.
This
is
why
every
cell
phone
manual
warns
not
to
use
cell
phones
near
our
bodies.
C
C
C
D
D
E
D
F
D
G
Yes,
okay,
yeah,
sorry,
I
was
trying
to
I
had
the
youtube
up
and
was
trying
to
mute
that.
Well,
I
think
I
muted
the
wrong
thing
so
yeah,
it's
a
little
clunky
but
yeah
new
experiment
here,
yeah
so
first
I
would
yeah
along
with
all
of
you.
It's
like
we're
struggling
with
these
new
technologies,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
council
for
listening
to
our
input
and
trying
to
expand
the
opportunities
for
more
direct
public
communication
in
lieu
of
the
in-person
meetings
during
covet
19..
G
I
know
we're
all
just
trying
to
do
our
best
here
with
a
highly
unusual
situation.
So
thank
you
for
that
today.
I
guess,
in
speaking
with
some
of
you
about
the
proposed
4g
5g
small
cell
antennas
directly,
I've
heard
that
it
sounds
like
there's
still
some
folks
who
are
not
clear
on
what
local
control
you
have
or
where
the
local,
the
local
nfcc
lines
of
control
are,
and
so
I
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
that
today.
G
So,
within
this
local
power,
local
governments
have
been
enacting
enforcing
smart
planning
objectives
designed
to
allow
three
objectives
simultaneously,
allowing
wireless
carriers
like
at
t
not
site
developers,
but
the
actual
carriers
themselves
to
saturate
the
local
area
with
wireless
coverage.
That's
one,
that's
a
given,
while
too
minimizing
the
number
of
facilities
needed
to
provide
that
coverage
and
while
three
avoiding
to
the
greatest
extent
possible,
of
course,
adverse
impacts
due
to
irresponsible
placement
in
close
proximity
to
homes
and
residential
neighborhoods.
G
Doing
this
can
sure,
to
the
greatest
extent
possible
that
we
avoid
unnecessary
redundancy
of
wireless
facilities
and
minimize
any
adverse
impacts.
There
are
some
local
limits
on
the
local
power
vis-a-vis
the
fcc.
You
cannot,
for
example,
give
unfair
competitive
advantage
to
one
carrier
over
another,
that's
explicit
in
the
tca
and
basically
what
this
means
is
when
you're
considering
something
for
verizon.
G
You
also
must
be
considering
that
a
similar
like
infrastructure
has
to
be
allowed
for
a
t
and
t
and
t-mobile.
So
that's
of
concern
when
we're
looking
at
one
particular
application.
I
hope
that
you're
also
considering
that
that
will
be
at
least
three-fold
in
terms
of
infrastructure
impact
and
other
impacts.
G
One
of
the
most
important
limits
of
local
power,
though
through
the
tca,
is
the
prohibition
of
services.
It
is
the
prohibition
of
services
which
basically
states
that
local
governments
cannot
prohibit
or
have
the
effect
of
prohibiting
personal
wireless
services,
and
what
this
means
is
that
anytime,
a
wireless
company
wants
to
put
a
wireless
facility
in
a
residential
area.
The
local
government
can
still
require
them
to
prove
two
things:
one,
that
there
is
a
significant
gap
in
personal
wireless
service
and
two
that
the
proposed
installation
is
the
least
intrusive
means
to
remedy
that
gap.
D
Okay,
so
next
is
genevieve
rand
and
after
genevieve
will
be
mary
lee
murphy.
H
H
Yes,
okay,
awesome
cool,
so
I
wanted
to
address
this
committee
today,
as
you
guys
are
overseeing.
Don't
worry,
I'm
not
a
5g
person,
as
you
guys
are
overseeing
the
build
out
and
like
examination
of
a
wireless
communication
infrastructure,
I
want
to
call
attention
to
some
of
the
other
infrastructure
in
the
city,
specifically
the
maintenance
of
our
roads
and
our
public
utility
infrastructure,
and
I
I
promise
I'll
get
to
why
I
feel
like
this
relates
to
stuff.
H
H
Maybe
it's
just
because
it's
going
on
in
my
neighborhood,
but
I
feel
like
this
year
has
been
pretty
good,
but
you
probably
also
know
that
this
upcoming
year
there's
a
budgetary
scramble
and
tough
decisions
are
going
to
have
to
be
made,
and
I
wanted
to
come
here
and
say
that
as
someone
who's
only
been
in
ithaca
for
a
few
years,
I'm
only
just
now
like
venturing
outside
of
the
downtown
area
on
the
edge
of
south
side.
H
Where
I
live
and
into
the
rest
of
the
community,
and
into
lower
income
areas
like
west
village
and
also
other
parts
of
south
side
and
some
parts
of
north
side
and
I've
noticed
that
a
lot
of
these
areas,
infrastructures
are
really
hurting
like
roads
are
falling
apart,
and
the
public
facing
city
land
is
not
very
well
maintained,
and
this
is
true
in
a
lot
of
those
areas.
It's
not
just
any
one
area,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
good
work.
H
This
summer,
like
I
said-
and
we
do
really
appreciate
that,
but
with
this
big
budgetary
shuffle
coming
up,
you
guys
are
gonna,
have
two
and
other
parts
of
the
city
government
are
going
to
have
to
pick
the
city's
priorities,
and
I
really
want
to
encourage
everyone
in
this
group
who
participates
in
that
process
to
be
as
secure
as
you
can
as
people
in
naming
the
health
and
beauty
and
so
on,
of
our
communities.
H
Vital
infrastructures,
where
we
experience
our
day-to-day
lives,
both
in
our
homes,
with
water
and
sewage
and
in
the
community,
with
our
roads
and
things
as
one
of
the
highest
remaining
priorities
that
there
can
be,
especially
in
lower
income
communities
and
as
those
decisions
are
made
to
put
the
police
force,
which
has
cultured
a
relationship
of
fear
and
discomfort
with
the
same
communities
that
need
these
public
works
investments
the
most
far
far
below
it
on
the
priority
list,
such
that
as
we
make
these
shuffles.
H
I
J
J
Community
members
choice
regarding
exposure
to
man-made
technology
and
this
form
for
which
adequate
safety
data
is
lacking,
is
being
taken
away.
Everyone
will
have
exposure
today.
I
am
here
to
add
my
voice
to
encourage
that
at
this
moment
really
time
and
careful
thought
now
be
given
to
how
the
contract
is
crafted.
J
This
is
the
moment
to
consider
what
other
communities
have
done
in
the
face
of
these
issues,
to
not
only
protect
themselves
for
liability
but
for
their
citizens.
Well-Being
data
does
show
the
negative
effects
may
result
from
cumulative
exposure
over
years
should
clear
evidence
of
harm
be
provided
in
coming
years.
How
is
that
addressed?
In
the
contract
is
annual
renewal
required,
will
small
cells
be
able
to
be
removed
with
no
legal
penalty?
J
J
D
A
A
D
A
In
yeah
we're
just
trying
to
be
patient
with
everybody
tonight
we
know
this
is
new
for
everyone.
I,
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of
is
your
might
whatever
is
whatever
your
microphone
is,
is
somehow
muted
on
your
computer.
Do
you
want
to
play
around
with
your
volumes
and
we'll?
Let
you
back
in
okay,
we'll
let
you
back
in
after
the
next
person
how
about
that.
D
Okay,
okay,
so
next
we
have
alison
desario
and
after
that
will
be
jerome
gallano.
F
K
F
Great,
so
my
name
is
alison
desario
and
I
live
in
the
second
ward
of
the
city
of
ithaca.
I
wanted
to
start
by
thanking
you
all
for
developing
a
process
to
let
community
members
have
their
comments
be
heard
in
full
on
the
record.
My
comment
here
is
about
agenda
item
4.1.
F
I
urge
you
all
to
think
more
objectively
than
just
ithaca's
installation
of
5g
and
look
globally.
Entire
countries
have
halted
the
implementation
of
5g
to
do
more.
Research
on
potential
health
impacts,
as
such.
One
guideline
that
I
suggest
being
added
to
the
mla,
is
proper
protection
for
the
city
as
part
of
the
licensing
agreement,
general
liability
insurance
without
a
pollution
exclusion
should
be
required
to
be
provided
by
the
telecom
company.
F
Another
issue
that
I
have
with
this
technology
is
the
increased
energy
usage
that
adding
all
of
the
proposed
antennas
batteries
and
transmitters
will
cause.
Reducing
infrastructure
is
one
of
the
top
values
in
the
green
new
deal,
and
I
don't
think
that
this
technology
is
necessary
enough
to
go
against
that
value.
F
According
to
the
proposed
guidelines,
there
is
a
limit
of
two
antennas
per
750
foot
block
per
provider.
If
I
understand
table
two
correctly
in
the
guidelines,
this
would
mean
that
in
the
future
there
could
be
at
least
six
antennas
per
block
if
you
factor
in
a
t,
t
and
t
mobile
also
running
their
technology
here.
F
F
Said
studies
should
include
all
existing
structures
and
a
detailed
explanation
of
the
coverage
gap
the
proposed
use
would
serve.
Lastly,
integrity
is
a
top
concern
for
me
when
examining
other
cases
of
5g
installations
and
communities
around
our
country.
There
should
be
a
guideline
requiring
that
everything
submitted
by
the
applicant
is
done
so
under
oath
and
penalty
of
perjury.
D
D
L
L
My
name
is
jerome
galliano,
I'm
a
resident
of
downtown
ithaca
for
almost
20
years,
I'm
a
husband
family
of
two
boys
and
a
licensed
professional
engineer
in
the
past.
I
have
submitted
written
comments
in
the
previous
common
council
meetings
on
the
topic
of
4g,
small
4g,
5g
small
cells
infrastructures
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
proposed
small
infrastructure,
small
cell
infrastructure.
It's
not
something
that
we,
the
residents,
have
asked
for
it's
not
going
to
solve
the
internet,
inequalities
that
we
currently
have
and
it'll
be
a
big
visual
change
to
the
beauty
of
our
tree-lined
streets.
L
L
These
proposed
design
guidelines
are
essentially
a
wide
open
door
and
it
puts
the
city
at
the
mercy
of
verizon
versus
the
other
way
around.
Some
of
the
problems
I
see
are
that
it
leaves
the
city
liable
for
future
potential
environmental
or
health
damages
at
the
minimum.
It
seems
we
should.
The
city
should
make
sure
they're
protected
that
way.
It
should
allow
the
city
to
break
the
agreement
if
or
when
the
fcc
or
other
regulations
change
and
in
that
table.
L
In
the
end
of
that
guidelines,
it
allows
looks
like
it
allows
up
to
six
small
cell
antennas
on
every
block
and
within
eight
feet
of
the
face
of
the
house,
basically,
eight
feet
of
someone's
bedroom.
This
seems
crazy
and
beyond
redundant
when
we
don't
even
have
a
lack
of
cell
phone
coverage
downtown.
L
L
However,
from
watching
the
city
and
town
forum
that
you
all
helped
put
on
last
month,
it
was
abundantly
clear
that
local
governments
do
indeed
have
control
over
their
facilities
from
the
telecommunications
act
and
through
a
stronger
set
of
design
guidelines.
We
can
protect
the
city
and
legally
maintain
control
over
the
service.
M
Thanks
there's
a
few
second
delay
there.
My
name
is
hadas
ritz
I've
been
an
engineering
faculty
member
at
cornell
for
around
10
years,
I'm
speaking
today
to
urge
you
to
either
table
consideration
of
the
design
guidelines
or
make
sure
that
the
guidelines
are
written
in
a
way.
That's
in
the
best
interest
of
the
ithaca
community
undertaking
a
large
infrastructure
build
out
of
any
type
has
to
be
justified
by
a
definitive
need.
M
There
are
always
costs
associated
with
any
project
of
this
magnitude.
Sometimes
the
costs
are
well
known,
and
sometimes
they
aren't.
It
seems
like,
in
the
case
of
a
large,
build
out
of
small
cell
5g
antennas.
Many
of
the
costs
are
still
unknown
or
unclear
to
the
scientific
community,
but
we
do
know
some
things
about
it.
We
do
know
that
allowing
verizon
to
install
dozens
of
antennas
means
allowing
their
competitors
to
do
so
as
well,
and
we
do
know
that
that
will
necessitate
a
lot
of
tree
trimming
or
possibly
tree
clearing.
M
We
do
know
it
would
significantly
increase
the
non-ionizing
radiation
load
for
people
in
the
downtown
area,
so
because
of
all
these
costs,
the
ones
we
know
and
the
ones
we
don't
know.
Yet,
if
you
want
to
proceed
with
it,
you
have
to
justify
it
with
some
clear
benefit
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
I've
actually
heard
that
clear
benefit
put
forth
by
by
anyone
in
council.
M
But
I
think
that
the
simplest
and
most
important
step
you
can
take
is
to
require
a
proven
gap
in
coverage
in
the
design
guidelines
if
it
was
actually
filling
a
gap
in
coverage
that
that
would
be
a
benefit.
I
don't
think
that
there
is
any
such
gap
in
coverage
that
needs
filling
right
now,
so
without
without
some
clear
benefit.
Some
clear
justification.
D
Lisa
bratuzy
is
entering
and
as
soon
as
lisa's
in
she
can
start
talking
and
then
after
lisa.
N
A
N
N
The
third
item
is
require
verizon
to
carry
general
liability
insurance
without
a
pollution.
Exclusion,
pollution
exclusion
prohibits
liability
coverage
for
those
harmed
from
damages
from
cell
towers.
This
is
how
other
cities
are
writing
their
codes
to
protect
themselves.
There
will
be
no
safe
spaces
for
our
children
outside.
N
N
N
N
Increasing
electropollution
could
set
in
motion
irreversible
changes
leading
to
our
extinction
finally
place
an
upper
limit
on
antennas,
as
well
as
proper
placement
rules.
There
are
already
two
4g
antennas
at
the
ithaca
high
school
as
well
as
one
next
to
fall.
Creek
elementary,
which
most
families
are
unaware
of
currently
verizon,
could
place
an
antenna
as
little
as
eight
inches
from
houses
from
your
house.
Your
decisions
now
will
apply
to
at
t
and
t-mobile
and
their
future
five
deep
deployment
here.
So
upper
limits
and
guidelines
are
crucial.
N
D
Okay,
so
next
up
is
ellie
and
after
ellie
I
will
be
letting
in
adam.
O
Go
okay,
great,
I'm
on
my
phone
now,
so
I
don't
know
what
happened
before
so
first,
I'm
really
excited
that
the
city
is
taking
public
comment
seriously
and
making
it
happen
during
these
unprecedented
times.
O
Today,
I'm
here
to
make
a
general
appeal
to
encourage
the
city
administration
committee,
to
focus
on
public
works
improvements
to
our
sewage
and
water
systems
and
to
encourage
the
city
to
buy
back
our
power
grid.
As
the
committee
looks
towards
budget
season,
police
budgets
should
not
be
cut
or
should
be
cut.
Sorry
and
public
works
and
public
power
should
be
prioritized
backing
our
buying
back.
O
O
Additionally,
as
the
committee
considers
adopting
5g
in
ithaca,
I'd
like
to
see
it
be
considered,
a
human
right
like
electricity
or
water
or
sewage
public
works
serve
the
public
only
when
they
benefit
communities
regardless
of
income
level
and
race.
Just
as
we
see
with
the
fight
for
public
broadband
access
where
people
in
rural
areas
are
left
behind,
if
we
do
have
5g,
everyone
should
have
it
to
do
this
and
potentially
make
us
less
dependent
on
huge
companies
like
verizon.
We
could
certainly
make
5g
public.
O
B
P
Thanks:
hey,
thank
you.
So,
for
the
last
few
months,
you
all
have
been
receiving
tons
of
information
about
5g
for
many
people
who
are
opposed
and
some
who
are
in
favor.
P
P
P
P
P
Even
though,
because
of
the
telecommunications
act,
you
can't
legally
prevent
the
building
of
a
cell
tower
because
of
health
effects.
You
can
still
make
amendments
to
the
desired
guidelines
that
will
keep
it
again
safe.
I
urge
you
to
do
this
to
the
full
most
extent
that
you
can,
if
you
can't
put
a
pause
on
the
agreement,
please
make
these
amendments
to
the
guidelines
to
include
the
following:
make
verizon
prove
that
there
is
a
gap
in
coverage,
require
that
something
everything
be
submitted.
P
P
D
Okay,
then,
the
last
person
is.
D
Carmel
rome
looks
like
we
had
one
other
speaker,
but
they
I
don't
see
them
in
the
waiting
room.
So
carmel
will
be
the
last
speaker.
D
Looks
like
they're
connecting
to
audio.
I
don't
hopefully
want
that
problem
again,
but
yeah
there's
no
audio
there.
It.
Q
R
Thank
you.
Can
I
start
now.
R
Okay,
children
are
10
times
more
vulnerable
to
ems,
not
having
limit
to
numbers
of
small
antennas
next
to
schools
and
private
homes
without
safe
guidelines
is
extremely
harmful
and
irresponsible.
At
the
very
least,
you
must
consider
the
risk
to
the
health
of
our
children.
Lots
of
communities
are
taking
measures
to
protect
the
health
of
their
people.
R
Please
don't
compromise
the
health
of
our
children
and
the
people
in
ithaca.
This
is
under
your
jurisdiction
and
it's
your
responsibility
to
do
right
by
our
children.
At
the
very
least,
your
hands
are
not
tied
by
the
fcc.
I
urge
you
to
implement
fiber
optic.
It
is
safer,
cheaper
and
that
the
in
the
infrastructure
is
already
set.
There
is
no
real
need
for
5g,
even
more
so
when
you
consider
the
health
risk,
even
if
it's
potential
health
risk
you
potentially
impose
on
us.
A
A
Great
well,
thank
you.
Everyone
for
experimenting
with
us,
as
pilot
programs
go.
I
think
that
went
fairly
well,
so
we
appreciate
everyone
being
willing
to
adapt
with
us
again.
We
are
not
certain
when
we're
going
to
be
able
to
be
back
in
council
chambers
and
not
only
be
back
in
council
chambers,
but
have
accommodations
for
people
to
safely
be
there
in
person
to
be
with
us
to
engage
in
government.
So
we
are
trying
this.
It
seems
like
it
worked
well,
so
thank
you
very
much.
A
We
will
ask
for
council's
response,
but
I
want
to
just
remind
everyone
that
the
main
topic
on
our
agenda
is
5g,
so
if
anyone
has
anything,
they
want
to
say
quick,
but
I
know
we've
just
got
a
couple
of
consent
items
and
then
we'll
get
right
into
it.
So
is
there
any
response
from
council
now,
george
and
then
graham.
B
Hi
everybody
hear
me
now
yep.
I
would
like
to
thank
all
the
people
who
spoke
to
us
tonight.
I
think
a
number
of
their
suggestions
were
were
excellent.
We'll
talk
more
about
that
later,
I
want
to
respond
to
ellie,
pfeiffer
and
genevieve
rand
about
public
works.
B
Public
works
has
made
a
lot
of
progress.
We've
hired
more
people,
we
put
a
lot
of
sidewalk
in
this
year
on
west
hill
that
connects
low-income
housing
to
downtown
and
as
far
as
owning
power,
we
don't
obviously
own
our
own
power,
but
this
year
we
were
able
to
purchase
all
the
city
street
lights
from
nice
egg
and
we're
going
to
re-uh
re-equip
them
with
much
more
efficient
lighting
and
we're
going
to
save
a
lot
of
money
in
this
process.
B
K
Yeah
thanks
deb.
I
just
want
to
thank
certainly
dan
and
duckson,
and
everybody
that
enabled
this.
I
think
it
was
a
really
successful
experiment.
As
you
said,
I
appreciate
people's
really
thoughtful
comments.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
has
changed
over
the
months
is
the
level
of
knowledge
that
people
have
and
also
the
recognition
of
what
we
can
and
can't
do
so.
K
I
know
we'll
be
talking
about
this
shortly,
but
I
did
want
to
say
that
at
the
outset
that
I
was
really
impressed
with
the
comments
and
the
thought
that
people
have
put
behind
this
and
also
the
specific
suggestions
that
people
have.
I
think
that's
some
of
the
things
that
we've
been
talking
about.
I
do
want
to
also
just
mention
that
I
don't
think
we're
approving
anything
tonight.
What
we're
doing
is
we're
basically
having
a
discussion
and
setting
ourselves
up
as
lead
agency,
so
that
may
have
been
misleading
to
the
public.
A
A
You
all
right,
so
our
main
topic
for
this
evening
was
the
one
that
everybody
most
people
commented
on
today
and
I
think
what
would
probably
be
helpful
is
to
have
a
combination
of
either
ari
or
joanne
or
both
sort
of
walk
us
through.
What
we
are
actually
talking
about
this
evening
to
approve
city
administration
doesn't
usually
deal
with
things
with
lead
agency,
etc.
S
Sure
so
tonight's
agenda
includes
your
declaration
of
lead
agency
for
the
environmental
review.
This
would
not
it's
only
a
declaration
of
lead
agency.
So,
as
you
know,
that
means
it's
not
actually
considering
whether
there's
a
negative
environmental
impact
from
approving
the
design
guidelines.
S
It's
simply
declaring
that
the
common
council
will
be
the
lead
agency,
the
the
entity
that
will
ultimately
decide
that
and
then,
at
a
future
meeting
you
can
review
the
environmental
impact
analysis
that
will
be
presented
to
you
by
the
planning
department
and
and
then
read
your
determination.
So
that's
that's
the
that's.
The
voting
item
joanne's
memo
detailing
sounds
like
we
have
some
feedback
yeah.
S
Providing
the
actual
design
guidelines
that
are
draft
and
proposed
for
council's
review
at
this
point,
so
we're
obviously
very
interested
to
hear
your
feedback
on
those.
So
that's
the
short
version
of
it.
I
can
certainly
elaborate
for
more.
A
Q
Yep,
I
was
just
going
to
say
after
you're
able
to
vote
on
that
lead
agency
resolution.
It
would
also
give
us
the
green
light
to
circulate
the
design
guidelines.
Much
more
widely.
I
mean
they
were
on
the
city's
website
for
the
public
review,
but
we
will
also
do
our
standard
distribution,
which
is
a
much
much
larger
and
further
reaching.
A
Great,
thank
you
joanne,
okay,
so,
in
order
to
move
our
discussion
forward,
is
there
someone
willing
to
move
4.1.
A
A
K
I
I
can
george,
if
you're
I
can
I've
got
it
here.
If
you
want
me
to.
K
K
Sure,
whereas
certain
parts
of
state,
environmental
quality
review
law
and
chapters
176.6
of
the
city
code,
environmental
quality
review
require
a
lead
agency
to
be
established
for
conducting
environmental
review
of
projects
in
accordance
with
local
and
state
environmental
law.
And
whereas
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council
has
one
pending
action
for
approval
of
the
installation
of
small
cell
facilities,
infrastructure
and
or
equipment
to
support.
K
Small
cell
wireless
technology
governed
by
the
terms
of
the
city's
small
wireless
communications
facilities,
master
license
agreement
adopted
by
common
council
on
may
6,
2020,
and
whereas
applicants
must
ensure
adherence
to
the
adopted
design
guidelines
and
all
other
applicable
standards,
regulations
and
laws
consistent
with
the
common
council's
regulatory
roles
over
the
right
of
way,
as
indicated
in
article
2
chapter
152
of
the
city
code
and
over
the
aesthetic
and
design
concerns
of
the
city.
As
indicated
by
article
5a,
chapter
325
of
the
city
code.
K
And
whereas
applicants
must
have
an
executed
and
valid
license
agreement
prior
to
submission
of
an
application
to
the
office
of
city
engineering
for
the
required
street
permit
to
something.
And
whereas
this
is
a
type
1
action
under
the
city
of
ithaca,
environmental
quality,
review
secret
and
the
state
environmental
quality
review,
act
secret
and
is
subject
to
environmental
review,
and
whereas
state
law
specifies
that
for
actions
governed
by
local
environmental
review,
the
leader
agency
shall
be
that
local
agency,
which
has
primary
responsibility
for
approving
and
funding
or
carrying
out
the
action.
K
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council
does
hereby
declare
itself
each
agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
design
guidelines
and
all
other
applicable
standards,
regulations
and
laws
consistent
with
the
common
council's
regulatory
roles
over
the
right
of
way,
as
indicated
in
article
2
chapter
152
of
the
city
code
and
over
the
aesthetic
and
design
concerns
of
the
city.
As
indicated
by
article
5a,
chapter
325
of
the
city
code,
and
I
saw
move.
B
A
E
I
have
a
few
things,
but
I'll
just
start
with.
Are
we
coordinating
with
the
town
of
ithaca
at
all?
We
had
that
joint
info
session
because
verizon,
I
believe,
approached
them
as
well,
and
I
figure
there's
got
to
be
some
value
in
in
coordinate
our
efforts
and
making
it
consistent.
S
Yeah
we've
we've
spoken
with
them
only
in
preparation
for
that
info
session.
That
was
directly
presented,
but
we
have
not
coordinated
on
the
guidelines
themselves.
A
E
K
Yeah,
well,
I'm
well.
First,
let
me
say
I
really
appreciate
the
work
that's
gone
into
this
already
by
ari
joanna
and
planning
staff.
There's
obviously
a
lot
of
detail
here,
and
I
have
detailed
comments
on
this,
but
I
also
want
to
recognize
that
some
of
the
suggestions
that
were
made
by
members
of
the
public
are
certainly
things
that
I
would
like
to
see
included
if
possible,
and
I
don't
quite
know
how
to
kind
of
go
through
that
list.
K
I
mean
there
are
detailed
things
and
then
there
are
more
general
suggestions,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
suggested
in
a
previous
email
was
this
idea
that
there
be
some
wording
in
this-
and
this
was
mentioned
by
members
of
the
public,
about
these
guidelines
being
able
to
be
either
avoided
or
significantly
revised.
If
there's
a
change
in
federal
or
state
legislation-
and
I
know
a
couple
of
people
in
the
from
the
from
the
public
had
mentioned-
that.
K
See
something
specific
in
these
guidelines
about
that
because,
as
we
know,
there
are
many
cases
going
on
this
situation
is
fluid
right
now.
I
definitely
want
us
to
have
the
most
effective
and
in
terms
of
protecting
the
public,
the
most
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
these
guidelines,
and
I
think
we
can
add
many
clauses
to
this-
that
being
one
of
them,
and
so
I'm
hoping
we
come
up
with
a
list
of
suggestions
as
a
result
of
this
discussion.
A
I
think
it
makes
sense
if
people
want
to
start
with
things
that
they
might
want
to
see
modified.
I
will
keep
a
running
list
of
suggestions.
I
don't
know
if
some
of
it
aryan
will
be
able
to
answer
right
away.
Some
of
it
might
need
more
research
or
benchmarking.
So,
graham,
what
you're
suggesting
is
some
sort
of
ability
to
modify
guidelines
if
something
changes
or.
K
Yes,
exactly
so
that
you
know
these
telecom
companies
are
not
saying.
R
K
K
Going
to
change
these
guidelines,
there
was
nothing
in
the
the
guidelines
about
that
and
I
think,
given
that
things
are
changing,
it
seems
like
that's
a
good
protection
for
the
city
to
have.
S
Yeah,
so
I
mean
I'll
start
by
saying.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
city
would
have
the
right
to
update
the
design
guidelines
from
time
to
time,
regardless.
I
don't
think
we're
stuck
with
what
we
put
there
at
the
beginning.
I'm
assuming
we
start
I'll,
also
say
that
there
could
be
issues
around
requiring,
and
I
think
this
is
what
some
of
the
public
commenters
got
at
today.
S
There
could
be
some
issues
around
requiring
5g
installations
that
have
already
been
installed
to
be
modified
in
light
of
later
changes
to
the
design
guidelines.
That
certainly
could
be
an
issue,
and
I
recognize
that
some
people
have
concerns
about
that,
but
the
master
license
agreement
provides
a
you
know,
window
of
time
for
those
installations.
S
I
will
check
back
on
it
while
we're
sitting
here
right
now,
it's
in
the
three
to
five
year
range
and
and
therefore
you
wouldn't
be
stuck
with
those
installations
forever
either.
But
I
think
the
short
answer,
graham
is,
I
believe
we
could
make
changes
at
any
point
anyway,
but
I
also
don't
often
see
a
problem
with
incorporating
that
clause
that
you're
suggesting
thank
you.
A
B
Is
it
true,
as
the
many
people
in
the
public
said
that
if
we
approve
this
for
verizon
at
t
and
t-mobile
and
any
other
telecom
organization
would
have
the
right
to
build
out
a
similar
infrastructure
within
the
city.
Q
B
Absolutely
yes,
okay,
so
we
we
could
be
talking
about
a
lot
of
infrastructure,
a
tremendous
amount
of
infrastructure,
and
so
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
put
into
these
guidelines
a
clause
that
requires
proof
of
lack
of
coverage
within
the
city,
as
was
suggested
earlier.
Q
D
S
Oh,
no,
no,
I
think
that's
correct.
I
think
you
can
require
that
the
interesting
nuance
so
just
to
put
it
out
there
up
front
is
going
to
be,
and
what
we
may
hear
back
from
the
telecon
companies
is
going
to
be
is
not
a
gap
in
cell
coverage
or
a
gap
in
5g
coverage
and
obviously
the
position
that
I
I'm
sure
the
city
prefers
to
take
that
we
would
prefer
to
take
if
that's
a
gap
in
any
cell
coverage.
But
I
think
that
may
be
up
for
debate.
A
B
Okay
and
I
think
the
suggestion
that
we
require
that
the
telecom
companies
can't
opt
out
of
can't
have
a
pollution.
Exclusion
in
the
contract
is
important.
B
And
finally,
I'll
say
that
I
like
the
idea
of
hiring
this
gentleman
who's
kind
of
an
expert
in
this,
mr
campanelli,
who
spoke
at
our
our
whatever
it
was
called
a
couple
weeks
ago.
B
To
help
us
with
this
process
he's
an
expert,
I'm
thinking
he
could
save
city
staff
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
hiring
him
might
actually
save
us
money
in
the
long
run,
and
I
think
we
could
be
more
confident
that
we're
we're
approaching
this
in
a
way
that
protects
the
community.
T
Yeah
I'll
understand
my
thanks
to
those
who
helped
pull
this
together
and
a
question,
maybe
just
to
clarify
what
the
point
that
george
brought
up
earlier
regarding
the
multiple
networks
from
different
carriers,
so
so
the
the
location
guidelines
that
we
that
we
lay
out
in
one
of
the
tables-
that's
those
are
each
individual
network
rather
than
limiting
locations
based
on
networks,
for
example.
I
think
the
example,
the
the
what
we
keep
hearing
from
questions
from
the
public
is
around
you
know.
T
So,
if
we're
able
to
put
one
per
block
of
a
certain
size
or
verizon's
allowed
to
do
that,
and
then
t-mobile
comes
in
they're
allowed
to
put
one
on
that
same
block,
and
then
you
do
the
the
spacing
based
on
an
independent
network,
not
on
the
collective
network.
I
is
that
correct,
maybe
for
that's
for
joanne.
Q
My
understanding
was
that
this
would
not
be
collective,
but
sort
of
first
in
verizon's.
First
in
and
the
black
face
is
150
feet
long.
Then
there
would
not
be
another
5g
provider
allowed
on
that
block
face.
Q
T
A
U
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
clarify
rob's
question.
It
was
under
my
understanding,
both
by
looking
at
the
towers
in
the
equipment
and
through
the
the
previous
forum
that
a
lot
of
these
installations
will
have
one
pole
with
something
like
six
or
eight
nodes
on
them,
and
each
node
is
an
independent
carrier
and
because
we
cannot
provide
exclusivity
to
any
one
carrier
once
once
a
poll
allows
a
facility
on
it,
it
must
allow
multiple
facilities
on
it.
U
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
that
definitely
needs
to
be
clarified,
because
that
was
the
information
that
was
provided,
and,
I
think,
speaks
to
the
concerns
that
people
have
is
that,
while
a
lot
of
the
regulations
only
examine
the
radiation
exposure
of
one
small
cell
facility,
it
is
the
continuous
exposure
of
multiple
small
cell
facilities
that
people
have
health
concerns
about.
So
I
think
that
is
is
very
much
the.
The
crux
of
of
that.
U
U
Mr
campanelli
identified
that
oftentimes.
While
we
might
have
that
proof
or
that
requirement
in
our
code,
many
municipalities
don't
have
the
proper
resources
to
guide
their
board
so
that
they
can
identify.
U
If
that
fcc
compliance
report
is
based
on
hard
data
and
needing
to
give
their
planning
boards
the
tools
in
order
to
be
able
to
confirm
that
the
map
and
the
information
provided
is
actually
factual,
because
well,
at
least
according
to
mr
campanelli
80
of
the
applications
are
not
actually
based
on
evidence.
That
demonstrates
a
lack
of
a
gap
in
service.
U
I
do
believe,
if
my
understanding
is
the
the
communications
regulations
demonstrate
that
you
must
provide
or
demonstrate
a
gap
in
service
to
voice
and
text.
It's
not
a
gap
in
service
in
5g,
it's
a
gap
in
service
to
voice
or
text,
and
which
is
why
you
can
have
a
region
basically
served
by
three
strategically
placed
towers
that
provide
voice
and
text.
So
you
don't
need
120
nodes
in
that
same
area
where
you
would
have
three
strategically
placed
towers,
so
you
know
to
the
point.
U
I
I
think
that
it's
a
very
steep
learning
curve
for
us
and
and
staff.
I
do
believe
mr
campanelli
is
clearly
an
expert
in
this.
He
is
also
both
skeptical
of
5g,
but
also
recognizing
that
5g
is
is
coming
and
you
know
is
looking
at
tools
that
municipalities
can
put
in
place
to
be
protective.
U
U
He
clearly
has
the
confidence
of
a
lot
of
people
who
would
deep
deep
concerns
with
regards
to
this
technology,
and
it
would
go
a
long
way,
I
think,
to
building
trust
with
the
community
that
the
the
design
guidelines
that
are
being
put
together
are
being
put
together
with
a
vision
to
increasing
and
and
maximizing
local
control
over
the
installations
of
these.
K
Yeah
thanks
deb
so
I'll,
add
my
voice
to
both
of
those
suggestions
that
have
been
made
by
a
number
of
people
that
is
coordinating
with
the
town
absolutely
makes
sense
to
me
when
you
think
about
what
we're
dealing
with
here.
Of
course,
the
the
signals
don't
end
at
the
city,
town
boundary-
I
mean
these
antennas
are
going
to
be
if
they
are
put
in
they're
going
to
be
covering
many
areas
of
the
city
and
town
so
to
have
uncoordinated
regulations
I
think,
would
be
pretty
much
of
a
nightmare.
K
O
K
Done
good
work
to
start
with,
I'm
really
impressed
with
what
we
have
done,
but
the
additional
experience
that
he
would
bring,
I
think,
would
really
help
us
really
make
these
a
robust
set
of
guidelines,
and
to
that
end
I
have
a
specific
suggestion
that
at
the
beginning,
the
purpose
of
the
guidelines-
I'd
like
to
have
us
add
something
like
the
purpose
of
these
is
also
to
protect
public
safety,
to
the
extent
possible
that
we
can
do
that.
K
That's
not
in
the
purpose
there,
but
I
think
that
addresses
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
by
the
public
and
it's
also
one
of
my
major
concerns.
The
aesthetics
are
also
important,
but
public
safety,
I
think,
is
one
of
the
key
things
that
we've
been
concerned
about
and
that
many
people
have
voiced.
So
I
would
definitely
like
to
see
that
as
one
of
the
purposes
of
these
guidelines,
thanks
debra.
T
Yeah
this
this
also
gets
to
the
points
or
maybe
point
that
we
heard
from
many
different
members
of
the
public
and
ari.
This
may
be
directed
in
your
in
your
area.
T
I
don't
think
this
is
part
of
design
guidelines,
but
I
just
would
like
to
hear
your
perspective
on
everyone
mentions
and,
and
they
they
frame
it
in
different
ways,
but
it
all
uses
the
same
language
about
ensuring
that
applicants
submit
things
under
oath
and
penalty
of
perjury.
Is
that
a
standard
practice?
Is
that
something
that's
not
standard,
I
mean,
and
maybe
where
would
that
sit
between
the
mla
and
the
and
the
design
guidelines.
S
Yeah
sure
it's
we
that's
not
something
that
we
normally
write
into
city
application
requirements
for
other
other
city
application
purposes.
We
certainly
do
require
people
to
sign
and
sometimes
notarize
what
they
are
providing
to
us.
S
I
don't
think
there's
a
problem
incorporating
that
into
the
design
guidelines
as
opposed
to
the
mla,
insofar
as
it's
telling
people
when
you
submit
an
application
here
are
things
you
have
to
do,
and
one
of
those
things
will
be
to
swear
under
penalty
of
perjury.
So
I
think
that
is
an
option.
I
One
of
the
things
we
learned
in
the
forum,
that
is,
that
the
term
5g
is
basically
a
marketing
tool
that
it
doesn't
really
mean
anything
consistently
across
the
industry.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
each
carrier
specify
what
it
means
by
5g.
In
other
words,
what
part
of
the
spectrum
their
branding
is
5g
that
I
think
that
would
help
us
understand
the
risks
and
the
services
and
the
extent
of.
A
E
E
B
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
want
to
thank
joanne
and
ari
and
staff
for
doing
all
this
work.
I
by
suggesting
we
hire
this
consultant.
I
by
no
means
discount
the
skill
and
effort
that
have
been
put
into
this
so
far.
I'm
just
thinking
that
this
could
add
a
heavy
hitter
to
our
team,
basically
and
and
make
our
guidelines
stronger
and
and
give
us
a
more
heads-up
attitude.
B
So,
there's
that
the
other
thing
is
I'm
actually
puzzled
by.
B
The
number
of
towers,
the
amount
of
infrastructure
it
requires
seems
immense.
It
seems
almost
like
a
1950s
cadillac
powered
by
a
volkswagen
bug
engine.
I
don't
understand
what
verizon's
so
eager
to
do
with
this
stuff,
and
I'm
also
puzzled
by
the
fact
that
they
have
not
come
to
us
with
a
sales
pitch.
Q
So
if,
if
you
want
them
to
come
and
I'm
sure
that
could
be
arranged,
this
was
at
a
time
before
I
mean
I
had
to
say
well,
what's
5g,
I
know
4g
is
what's
5g
that
was
a
couple
years
ago,
but
there
they
they
did,
give
us
quite
the
sales
pitch.
So
I
could
arrange
that
george.
Q
I
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
to
be
an
expert,
but
you
know
the
all:
the
the
cell
phone,
all
the
technology
changes
so
rapidly,
and
this
is
a
broader
expanse
of
the
technology,
currently
all
our
most
of
our
iphones.
If
you're,
you
know,
you
have
4g
technology.
Q
This
is
the
next
layer
and
there
may
be
others
that
could
speak
to
this
better
than
I
can.
But
that's
what
I
understand
it's
the
next
step
in
the
technology,
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
stop
at
5g
and
if,
in
you
know
so
many
years,
they're
not
going
to
be
another
type
of
technology.
So
there
are
others
but
better
educated
on
this
subject
than
than
I
am.
E
Yeah,
a
lot
of
people
who
wrote
in
may
ask
this
question
like
what
is
the
benefit.
I
mean
it's
just
that
it's
faster
and
for
some
people
that's
compelling
and
for
others
it's
not.
You
know
if
you're
bothered
by
the
speed
at
which
web
page
is
low,
then
you're
gonna
want
on
your
phone.
You'll
want
faster
speed.
If
it
doesn't
bother,
you
or
the
speed
of
which
you
can
load
video
is
fine.
E
Then
then
you
might
not
be
bothered
by
it,
but
it's
clearly
a
technology
that
consumers
want,
because
they're
buying
the
handsets
that
support
it,
and
so
verizon's,
probably
responding
to
that
demand,
and
they
want
to
make
more
money
like
the
motivations
are,
are
fairly
simple.
E
They
wanna
innovation,
lets
them,
make
more
money
and
more
profit.
Q
Yeah
and-
and
in
fact
some
of
the
experts
in
the
field
are
saying,
don't
buy
a
new
cell
phone.
If
you
need
it
wait
a
year,
because
all
the
cell
phones
will
be
5g
and
they'll
be
so
much
better,
so
they're,
you
know,
I
think
the
the
companies
are
really
pushing
this.
A
I
I
I'll
defer
to
anybody
on
the
committee
who's.
Next,
no.
I
I
I
shared
george's
question
and
and
skepticism
and
on
in
response
to
duck,
I
would
say
that:
that's
that's
fine!
If
certain
consumers
want
faster
videos
on
their
cell
phones,
but
it's
it's
getting
to
be
for
the
rest
of
us
who
who
aren't?
I
Who
don't
want
that
it
seems
like
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
in
city
resources
accommodating
the
people
who
do
want
it,
and
I
kind
of
resent
that
this
was
that
verizon
came
to
us
asking
us
for
a
license
so
that
they
could
provide
the
service
that
some
people
want
staff
time.
That's
it
a
particular
limited
resource
right
now
has
been
devoted
to
this.
We're
now
entertaining
the
idea
of
hiring
a
consultant
to
help
us
solve
a
problem
that
we
didn't
even
ask
for.
U
I
agree
with
donna.
You
know:
5g
makes
sense
if
you're
living
in
new
york
city
in
san
francisco,
where
there's
in
any
street,
because,
let's
remember
this
5g
facility
is
not
going
to
help
you
inside
your
house
or
your
office
building.
It's
only
going
to
help
you
when
you
are
outside
in
the
right
of
way,
because
the
5g
technology
will
not
go
through
walls
and
it
gets
absorbed
by
trees.
U
So
keeping
in
mind
that
if
you
happen
to
be
walking
down
the
street
and
you
for
some
reason
have
to
download
a
movie
in
three
minutes
when
you're
walking
down
the
street,
this
will
be
great
for
you,
but
it's
not
going
to
help
you
in
your
house
in
your
classroom
in
your
office
building.
So
it's
not
intended
for
that.
U
If
we
were
new
york
city
san
francisco,
where
there's
a
million
people
on
the
road
and
all
of
them
are
competing
with
the
same
wavelength,
it
makes
perfect
sense.
We
are
not
san
francisco,
you
know
we
don't
have
a
million
people
competing
for
the
very
same
wavelength
and
therefore
you
need
this
whole
new
special
wavelength.
So
you
don't
have
to
compete
right,
that's
not
our
reality
here.
So
I
agree
with
donna
that
this
is
a
headache
that
was
not
of
our
creation.
U
It's
really
not
going
to
change
people's
experiences
all
that
much
and
it's
sucking
up
a
fantastic
amount
of
time
and
resources
and
then,
in
the
meantime,
already
exposing
people.
In
my
mind,
that
is
demonstrated
in
the
science.
We
are
filling
our
world
with
more
radioactive
contamination
in
in
our
public
spaces,
which
just
seems
entirely
unnecessary.
U
All
of
that
being
said
now
that
it's
here
we
do
need
to
have
design
guidelines,
and
I
am
100
in
support
of
putting
in
guidelines
in
such
a
way
that
we
can
increase
local
control.
We
can
make
sure
we
are
not
filling
our
our
airwaves
and
our
environment
with
unnecessary
infrastructure
by
allowing
all
of
these
things
to
go
up
willy-nilly,
and
we
can
make
sure
that
we
are
not
unnecessarily
exposing
people
to
excessive
amounts
of
radiation.
U
K
As
soon
as
I
can
get
over
to
the
mute
button,
thank
you
deb
yeah.
I
mean
I
I
I
wanted
to
take
up
that
point
about
perhaps
verizon
giving
us
some
presentation.
I
would
really
like
to
hear
their
justification.
Forget
this
because,
as
people
have
said,
it
seems
to
be
addressing
a
very
small
need
compared
to
some
of
the
other
options
that
could
benefit
the
entire
community
and
somebody
from
the
public
mentioned
fiber
optic.
I
mean
I
don't
know
why
fios
isn't
here.
K
We
it's
up
in
syracuse,
it's
incredibly
quick
and
for
people
that
don't
have
good
internet
service.
It
really
is
an
opportunity,
I
think,
for
rising
to
say
well,
let's
provide
some
competition
for
spectrum
and
other
providers,
and
so
I
I
would
definitely
like
to
hear
their
their
pitch
if
you
like,
in
terms
of
why
they
think
this
is
important
and
take
so
much
time
for
ithaca
compared
to
some
other
options.
That
could
be,
to
my
mind,
a
much
provide,
much
more
significant
benefit
to
to
the
community.
Q
Is
that
something
I
mean,
I'm
happy
to
schedule
that,
and
we
can
talk
about
logistically
how
you
would
want
to
do
that
if
you
would
want
to
have
it
at
this
meeting
next
month
or
whatever
so
think
about.
If
you
do
want
that
presentation
and
a
q
a
with
them
just
let
me
know
what
will
work
best
for
the
committee
or
for
council.
A
I
think
probably
using
this
meeting
as
the
venue,
for
that
makes
the
most
sense
to
me,
instead
of
trying
to
figure
out
another
time
that
we
would
want
to
do
that
are
people
in
general
agreement
that
that's
something
that
they
would
want.
You
can
just
nod
your
head
or
something
yes,
okay,
so
I
guess
joanne!
Yes,
okay,
all.
D
A
A
Broadly,
as
joanne
mentioned,
you
know
when
you
distribute
that,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
everybody-
that's
listening,
has
a
clear
understanding
of
us
voting
on
this
today.
To
move
this
forward
is
simply
to
allow
us
to
continue
the
investigation
in
the
process.
So
I'll
call
for
a
vote
in
a
minute,
and
I
think
we
will
talk
probably
offline
about
how
to
move
the
suggestion
forward
to
hire
a
consultant
to
assist
with
some
of
these
pieces
and
where
that
would
fit
in
I'm.
I
was
seeing
consensus
on
that
topic
as
well.
A
K
Quick
question
deb.
So
if
we
vote
to
be
lead
agency,
does
that
automatically
have
this
sent
for
distribution
and
circulation?
Or
do
we
have
to
have
a
separate
proposal
for
that.
Q
You
know
it
doesn't,
it
would
not
prevent
you
from
tabling
this
or
or
voting
it
down
or
deciding
not
to
go
forward.
It
just
means
it
just
gives
the
common
council
the
ability
to
really
begin
to
analyze
the
you
know
the
environmental
impacts
of
something
like
this,
so
it
doesn't
preclude
any
action
in
the
future.
It
just
sort
of
is
a
step
in
the
process
that
allows
us
to
move
forward.
B
A
Q
Right,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
crin
was
instrumental
also
in
helping
to
draft
these
guidelines
so
yes
and
she's
out
and
this
week.
So
when
she's
back
we'll
go
through
all
of
these
and
yes,
we
will
compile
them
we'll
categorize
them,
because
I
anticipate
many
many
comments.
If
we
open
the
public
comment
period,
which
we
will
do
upon
the
distribution.
S
Sure
and
I've
of
course
been
taking
careful
notes
and,
following
so
I'll
I'll,
be
speaking
with
grandma.
She
returns
from
vacation,
but.
S
B
Yeah,
it's
my
understanding,
it's
not
a
lot
of
money
and
we
may
be
able
to
get
some
from.
We
may
be
able
to
partner
with
thomas.
B
A
A
Yep
there
were
other
hands,
but
I
don't
see
them
jackson
and
then
cynthia.
No,
yes,
no,
no
jackson.
E
Yeah
george,
that
asked
my
question.
I
was
curious
what
we
were
going
to
circulate,
but
that
was
answered,
and
I
I
want
to
say
too
that
I'm
with
don
I'm
frustrated
by
it
too.
I'd
rather
think
about
other
things,
and
the
current
cell
phone
technology
was
fine.
E
For
me,
I
wasn't
one
of
the
people,
I'm
just
trying
to
explain
why
it's
a
thing
right
now:
it's
because
companies
like
to
make
money
and
and
there's
money
and
new,
faster
things,
but
I
I'm
also
interested
in
protecting
the
city
as
much
as
possible,
which
I
suggested
hiring
campanella
anyway
in
the
first
place.
So
I
think
I
think
that
would
lead
us
to
a
good
process
that
still
doesn't
close
off
innovation.
A
A
Yes,
all
right,
so
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
wonderful.
Thank
you.
We
did
have
a
discussion
item
added
by
george,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
george
but
donna.
If
you're
gonna
leave
us,
you
can't
leave
until
you
show
us
the
puppy.
I
agree.
K
S
D
A
I
We
are
trying
many
different
names.
Today's
name
is
willie
after
my
grandmother
mama
willy,
although
he's
a
boy
and
he's
a
good
boy.
B
E
I
A
B
A
number
of
city
employees
who
faced
tough
decisions
during
the
covid
furlough
time
have
retired
before
they
really
had
planned
on
it
in
order
to
maintain
their
health
insurance,
and
there
is
a
couple
bills
being
considered
in
the
state
legislature,
I
think
ones
in
the
senate
ones
in
the
in
the
assembly
that
would
allow
state
employees
but
also
city
employees,
to
retire
with
full
30-year
benefits
after
25
years
of
service
and
a
certain
age.
I
think
it's
55,
but
I
it
might
be
50,
I
don't
know
anyway.
B
B
One
way
would
be
to
write
a
letter
that
common
counsel
and
the
mayor
would
sign
and
send
it
to
our
local
representatives
and
to
tom
dinapoli
and
the
mayor
and
the
governor,
and
there
may
be
other
ways
to
do
it.
We
could
pass
a
resolution
by
council.
V
Yeah
I
there
there's
no
problem
with
with
doing
that.
You're
you're
writing
a
letter
support,
in
fact,
I
believe
other
at
least
one
other
municipality
has
done
that.
So
I
I
but
honestly
from
what
I'm
hearing
the
likelihood
of
it
is
very
slim,
but
maybe
if
enough
enough
municipalities
support
it
that
might
change.
B
V
W
Yeah
this
is
this
is
where
I
live.
Sadly,
yeah.
Well
yeah
I
mean
it
really
depends.
We'd
have
to
look
at
it.
The
savings
some
savings
would
come.
If
you
know
you
could
retire
a
higher
salary
and
bring
in
a
lower
salary.
So
that
would
be
some
savings,
but
there's
also
increases
in
billing
for
the
for
the
city
as
far
as
retirement
so
we'd
have
to
look,
it
really
depends
on
the
situation.
I
don't
know
exactly.
W
I
mean
I,
I
have
heard
rumors
of
bills
being
circulated
for
early
retirement
incentives,
but
I
haven't
seen
anything
concrete
at
this
point.
So
certainly.
V
B
A
K
D
I'm
good,
may
I
yes,
dan
yeah
I
did.
I
did
actually
talk
to
the
mayor
about
this
and
and
he
he's
not
on
the
meeting
anymore,
but
he
he
thought
actually
a
letter
might
be
better
because
you
know
resolutions
are
typically
in.
You
know
their
sort
of
archaic
language,
whereas
you
and
with
a
letter
you
can
just
be
much
more
straightforward
about
this-
is
what
we
think
makes
sense,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
better.
D
It's
a
better
medium
for
communication,
and
you
know
you're
communicating
here
with
other
government
officials
they're
not
going
to
be
blown
away
by
a
resolution
any
more
than
they
are
going
to
be
by
a
letter
signed
by
everybody
on
council.
So
that
was
that's
the
mayor's
perspective.
A
George,
if
you
want
to
draft
something
I'd,
be
happy
to
add
it
to
september's
meeting
or
if
we
think
we
don't
need
to
vote
on
it.
Really.
You
can
draft
a
letter
and
send
it
around,
and
maybe
we
can,
if
we
need
to
discuss
it
publicly,
we
can
add
it
as
a
you.
Can
member
file
it
for
council,
so
we
can
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later.
R
A
Joe
just
one
last
thing
was
just
looking
for
feedback
on
the
on
the
public
comment,
and
what
can
we
do
to
make
it
better
next
time?
Did
it
did
it
work?
Do
we
think
people
knew
about
it?
We
found
out
that
we
all
need
to
register
for
the
meeting
ourselves,
so
we
don't
have
that
problem
again,
I'm
just
looking
for
other
feedback
on
how
the
process
went
and
and
if
we
think
we
should
try
this
for
council
and
every
other
meeting
moving
forward
graham
and
then
rob.
K
K
I
think
it
was
much
better
than
reading
through
all
those
email
comments.
I
was
also
impressed
that
people,
you
know,
didn't
entirely
use
the
same
language.
They
had
their
own
perspectives
and
they
took
the
time
to
really
make
some
useful
comments
that
we
don't
necessarily
see
in
email.
So
I
think-
and
obviously
some.
O
K
Definitely
appreciated
this
effort
on
the
staff's
point
staff's
part
to
get
this
a
little
bit
more
interactive,
so.
Q
K
T
Yeah
I'll
just
l
and
my
thanks
also
to
everyone
who
who
was
involved
in
doing
this,
and
I
do
think
to
graham's
point.
It's
a
it's
a
very
important
part
of
how
we
collect
information
from
the
public
being
able
to
hear
the
the
tone
that
they
use
when
they
deliver.
It
makes
a
big
difference
and
you
know
I
think
the
fact
that
we
have
a
spectrum
of
ways
that
they
can
communicate
with
us
is
really
helpful
I'll
I'll.
Just
at
two
things.
T
One
is
a
cautionary
note
that
we,
I
think
it
was
helpful
that
we
put
a
limit
on
that,
because
I
think
we
want
to
make
sure
we
balance
the
opportunity
for
public
comment
that
might
come
in
differently
than
it
would
be
if
we
had
to
show
up
in.
You
know,
council
chambers
versus
the
rest
of
the
business
that
we
are
expected
to
do
in
a
meeting.
T
So
that
was
important
and
then
the
other
piece
is
I
I
you
know
again,
thank
you
hugely
to
dan,
but
also
to
doc,
who
is
helping
out
and-
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
recognize
what
it
takes,
because,
even
even
when
we
get
better
at
it,
it's
still
going
to
be
labor
intensive
and
want
to
make
sure
that
we
find
the
most
effective
and
efficient
ways
to
do
that.
And
if
it
needs
to
distribute
to
a
few
more
people,
let's
figure
out
how
to
do
that
as
well.
A
Yeah
great,
we
will
have
to
work
it
out
for
council,
but
we'll
we'll
see
ducks
and
go
ahead.
E
Yeah,
I
agree,
I
think
things
went
really
well.
In
fact
I
mean
we
had
some
hiccups,
but
it
went
way
better
than
I
expected.
I
expected
a
catastrophe,
I
will
say
just
so.
The
public
knows
I'm
the
one
who
kicked
people
out
when
their
time
ran
out.
I
tried
to
you
know
not
do
it
in
the
middle
of
a
sentence
or
to
let
people
finish
their
thought.
E
E
Is
it
switches
the
video
to
ever
speaking,
and
we
didn't
want
to
to
interrupt
the
flow
of
the
person
speaking,
but
it
might
be
good
to
find
a
way
to
to
to
give
them
like
an
audible
warning
if
it's
just
a
beep
or
something
I'll,
look
into
how
to
do
that,
but
I'm
very
pleased
with
how
it
went
out
and-
and
I
agree
with
rob
like
the
spectrum
of
ways
that
we
can
that
people
can
participate
we're
utilized.
E
A
Great
and
then
just
to
to
rob's
point,
I
think
what
if
you,
if
it
wasn't
clear
what
we've
said
is
we're
going
to
give
about
an
hour
of
every
meeting
to
it?
And
then
you
know:
if
we
got
more
people,
then
people's
time
would
get
gradually
smaller.
So
we
didn't
have
anyone
that
caused
us
to
have
to
limit
time
tonight
we
only
had
12,
so
everybody
was
allowed,
the
full
three
minutes,
but
if
we
had
had
let's
say
what
did
we
say?
The
cap
is
at
about
40
dan.
D
We
said
that
at
20,
then
we
would
have
to
start
whittling
down
time
and
then
at
40.
We
would
cut
it
off
because
anything
less
than
a
minute
and
a
half
we
felt
like
was
probably
too
too
little.
So
40
people
in
a
minute
and
a
half
would
be
about
an
hour.
A
So
we'll
see
how
that
works
for
council
and
we'll,
hopefully
get
julie
involved
in
all
the
behind
the
scenes
and
see
how
we
can
help
help
manage
that
as
well.
You,
you
may
have
earned
yourself
permanent
timer
timer,
though
ducks,
and
I
don't
know
that
might
be
your
new
role-
rob
go
ahead.
T
Just
a
reminder,
so
the
email
process
we
use
are
those
we
didn't
summarize
those
in
the
meeting,
but
those
will
be
part
of
the
public
record
in
the
yeah.
Somehow.
F
A
Dan
is
able
to
merge
them
into
a
like
a
clean
pdf
that
can
get
attached
with
with
the
minutes,
so
he'll
work
with
denise
to
make
sure
those
are
included.
So
again,
this
is
sort
of
this.
We
all
have
to
kind
of
adapt
with
like
this
new
way
of
doing
things.
So
we're
essentially
saying
you
can
be
officially
in
the
public
record
by
emailing
it
in.
A
A
A
V
Well,
one
thing
I
can
I
just
let
you
know
is
that,
as
of
today,
we
have
reinstated
64
of
the
81
staff
and
then
over
the
course
of
the
next
two
months.
The
overwhelming
majority
will
be
returned.