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A
A
A
Working
to
move
forward
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
listening
public
I
will
reiterate
some
of
the
dates.
Some
of
the
information
that
was
covered
at
the
May
31st
Committee
of
the
whole
meeting
reminder
to
all
that
it
was
common
Council
in
2021
that
research
and
developed
a
resolution
to
look
at
and
change
proposed
change
to
the
structure
of
our
city
government.
That
structure
changed
to
a
council
manager
structure,
changes
the
authority,
the
responsibility
of
the
mayor
and
therefore
must
go
to
referendum,
which
it
did
in
November
2022.
A
The
referendum
passed
with
a
73
approval
ratings.
So
clearly
voters
recognize
that
this
ship
in
city
government
structure
will
result
in
better
Effectiveness
and
efficiency
as
we
move
forward
when
we
met
on
May
13th.
First,
we
discussed
the
our
goals
in
that
meeting
was
to
look
at
the
role
and
responsibility
of
the
mayor
of
common
Council
and
of
the
city
manager
and.
A
Very
glad
that
Dr
Ian
Coyle
has
agreed
to
be
with
us
in
person
rather
than
over
Zoom.
It
is
very
nice
to
see
you
here
in
person
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
Ian.
I
would
appreciate
just
going
around
and
having
council
members
introduce
themselves.
You
can
let
Ian
know
what
Ward
represents
in
the
city.
So
I'll
start
with
board
one
Cynthia.
D
A
D
A
I
am
around
here
were
representing
the
third
board,
which
covers
up
jumping
East
Hill
and
the
neighborhoods
of
Bryant,
Park
and
Bill
Sherman,
and
currently
a
big
chunk
of
the
aquarium
campus
and
I'm,
serving
in
my
eighth
year
in
common
Council
even
final
year
and
also
chair.
The
planning
and
economic
development
committee
group
also
have
set
on
City
Administration
committee.
A
I'm
Jeff
Barkin
Bob's
counterpart
and
the
Third
Ward,
but
I'm
actually
stepping
down
to
see
one
of
my
wife's
meetings
here.
I
won't
too
much
discourse,
but
you
had
some
insights.
A
A
Hello,
my
name
is
I
represent
fourth,
of
course,
alongside
tip
in
a
second
year
on
Council,
when
I
sit
on
the
city,
Administration
committee.
A
Thank
you
and
our
10th
member
of
council
is
currently
working
on
a
road
race
that
has
probably
been
canceled
in
the
thunder
and
lightning
and
rain,
but
nevertheless
she
will
have
opportunities
to
review
this.
We
are
reporting
for
the
meeting
as
well
as
trading
at
home,
so
because
you'll
be
able
to
look
at
this
at
governance
so
once
again,
and
welcome
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
for
introductions.
C
Sounds
good!
Well,
it's
nice
to
meet
all
of
you.
Thank
you.
I
will
have
to
pass
on
the
sweets
and
treats
for
the
time
being,
but
I'll
probably
take
some
after.
So
thank
you
for
that.
We're
gonna
queue
up
sort
of
like
that.
Next
slide.
You
know
Schick
so
bear
with
me
on
that
good.
So
we
will
move
to
a
nice
challenge.
C
Okay,
so
there
we
go.
So
this
is
just
the
agenda.
I
wanted
to
review
this
I'll
I'll,
introduce
myself
in
a
minute,
but
just
to
set
the
table
on
the
planned
discussion.
C
As
far
as
the
agenda
reviewing
the
needs
assessment,
what
are
considered
the
deliverables
of
a
phase,
one
engagement,
as
as
the
city
prepares
for
sourcing
binding
and
the
very
first
city
manager
for
the
city,
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
results
of
that
get
in
a
little
bit
to
the
position,
description,
the
position
profile
and
next
steps,
but
in
any
sort
of
interval
of
any
of
this
there's
no,
you
know
prescribed
format
as
far
as
any
q
a
or
anything
like
that.
C
I
left
time
at
the
end,
hopefully,
but
anything
that
comes
up
during
the
during
the
time
that
I'm
talking
just
feel
free
to
you
know
chime
in
and
ask
me
any
question
or
clarification:
I,
hopefully,
will
be
able
to
provide
that
on
there's,
just
an
introduction
for
who
I
am
and
where
I'm
coming
from
so
I
come
from
Livingston
County
New
York,
which
is
a
western
Finger
Lakes
Geneseo
is
the
county
seat,
we're
a
county
of
about
65
000
people.
C
I
am
the
County
Administrator,
so
Akin,
pretty
much
to
the
city
manager
or
city
administrator
I've
been
with
the
county
for
15
years,
I've
been
in
the
field
of
global
government
management
for
20
years.
My
Master's
is
actually
in
public
administration,
but
specialization
in
local
government
management,
and
my
doctorate
is
in
public
sector
management,
so
I
sort
of
went
to
school
to
what
I
ended
up
for
what
I
ended
up
becoming
and
I
also
teach
I
teach
future
and
present
city
managers
and
County
managers.
C
I
teach
public
administration,
budgeting
public
management,
ethics,
leadership,
things
of
that
nature.
It's
all
very
sort
of
involved
in
the
profession,
I'm
a
very
strong
proponent
of
the
profession
when
I
say
the
profession,
I
mean
city
or
county
or
town
or
Village.
Professional
Administration
I
do
use
the
term
in
like
what
I
would
say.
The
purest
form
so
folks
take
myself
I
register
to
vote,
but
I'm
not
affiliated
with
a
political
party.
C
So
as
the
Board
of
Elections
call
me
a
blank
I'd
rather
something
else,
but
I
guess
I'm
considered
a
blank
in
there
vernacular,
but
so
I
don't
attend
any
political
functions.
I
don't
mean
political
donations.
C
I
I
stay
completely
out
of
that
sort
of
element
of
the
world
of
government
and
I'm
strictly
insulting
there
to
be
a
practitioner
of
local
government
and
revenue.
Administration
for
academic
Partners
is
my
solo
consultancy.
So
it's
just
me
so
I
have
an
employment
agreement
with
the
county,
so
this
person
context
I
have
an
employment
agreement
with
accounting
that
allows
me
to
both
consult
and
teach.
So
it's
just
been
something.
That's
been
on
my
contract.
C
C
The
city
of
Buffalo
I
really
have
a
strong
affinity
for
cities
in
general,
so
I
was
glad
to
kind
of
come
in
here
and
see
you
know
instruction
and
tight
streets
and
one
ways
and
and
kind
of
the
grit
of
the
city
that
I
sort
of
used
to
see
when
I
grew
up
because
I'm
in
more
of
a
rural
area.
C
At
this
point,
I'm
living
in
Livingston
County
for
academic,
just
it's
a
plan
where
it's
a
practitioner
and
academic
because
I've
had
for
15
years
a
foot
in
the
world
of
Academia
teaching,
I
teach
mostly
online
at
this
point
in
time,
but
presently
for
Tulane
University,
Northern,
Illinois
University
and
the
University
of
Virginia
Association
involvement.
C
When
you
get
to
the
world
of
the
city
and
county
management,
you
have
a
couple
of
different
groups:
one
is
the
international
City
County
management
association,
icma,
there's
other
Affiliated
groups
like
The
National,
League
of
cities
and
National
civic
league,
and
also
the
county
county
counterparts,
are
really
just
enmeshed
and
embedded
in
all
those
groups
as
well.
They
weren't
initially
it
was
really
City
focused
initially,
but
as
counties
professionalize
their
administrative
functions
of
government.
They
kind
of
got
invited
to
the
table
many
many
decades
ago.
C
So
now,
they're
sort
of
in
the
folder
I
bring
that
up,
because
I'm
very
involved
in
the
association
kind
of
have
a
good
sense
of
what's
going
on
with
professional
management.
I've
spoken
at
many
cities,
including
Buffalo,
Saratoga,
Springs
and
others
that
have
contemplated,
but
not
Advanced,
the
form
of
government
and
I
certainly
found
Ithaca
and
some
others
that
have
gotten
to
the
point
where
they've
Advanced
it
I
am
working
with
the
city
of
Portland
right
now,
I
worked
with
them
on
a
city
administrator
search.
C
So
it's
a
Director
of
Finance
and
administration,
doing
business
ads
the
city
administrator
and
they
have
the
goal
to
do
just
like.
You
did
I
think
at
this
point
in
time.
They
want
to
do
a
referendum,
a
charter
change.
They
want
to
have
a
governance
structure,
change
in
the
city
of
Cortland
to
change
that
to
a
council
manager,
former
government,
so
I'm
working
with
them
post
a
higher
post
executive
Search
because
they
have
a
person
in
their
pool
that
they
want
to
then
make
the
city
manager
recent
engagements
just
to
kind
of
give.
C
Was
the
executive
Search
consultant
for
the
city
of
Geneva
in
Ontario
County,
and
that
search
recently
in
the
city
of
Cortland
also
involved
right
now
with
the
county
of
Seneca,
which
is
Waterloo,
a
very
small
County
32
000
population
between
the
two
Finger
Lakes
there
working
with
them
on
accounting
manager
search
at
this
point
in
time,
primarily
the
Consulting
consultancy
engagements
that
I
am
involved
with
are
usually
executive
surge,
but
sometimes
coaching
or
just
general
Consulting
I
only
do
a
handful
per
year,
so
I
try
to
make
them
very.
C
C
I
wanted
to
just
spend
a
moment
on
Trends
in
City,
County,
Manager
recruitments,
because
I
think
it's
an
important
point.
There
has
been
a
little
bit
of
a
change
of
late.
You
know
the
great
resignation,
the
great
number
you
want
to
call
the
reset
attraction,
whatever
the
Forbes,
no
matter
what
it
is,
it's
always
great,
but
really
not
so
that's
not
so
great
City
management.
County
management
has
seen
that
as
well.
C
So
I
I,
you
know
search
profiles,
candidates
that
come
out
the
pools
of
candidates,
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
robust
and
more
account.
Certainly
so
I
think
that
is
something
just
to
take
into
account.
Also,
the
newness
factor,
I
think,
is
an
important
piece
to
this
particular
what
will
end
up
being
a
search,
meaning
it's
the
first
city
manager.
So
that's
that
there's
an
element
of
intrigue
there.
C
I
also
think
you
have
the
city
of
Ithaca
with
a
national
reputation
that
other
cities
of
a
similar
population,
size
and
demographic
would
not
necessarily
be
able
to
say
so.
That
will
be
I
think
an
attraction
point
to
the
prospective
candidate
pools.
That
will
be
your
applicants
to
the
city
manager
petition.
So
they
said.
D
Something
to
you
know
consider
thank.
C
You,
okay,
so
I
wanted
to
really
just
do
a
reset.
Thank
you
for
moving
in.
Let's
do
a
reset
on
the
phase
one
deliverable
so
phase.
One
is
really
a
preparation.
Readiness
strategy,
You
can
call
it
different
things,
but
it's
gaining
all
the
inputs
from
staff,
primarily
from
Council
the
mayor
with
respect
to.
Where
do
we
want
to
go?
What
are
the
challenges?
It's
not
a
traditional
slot
in
the
in
the
relationship
of
us.
C
We
keep
your
planning
exercise,
but
it's
more
of
a
lay
of
the
land
or
what's
going
on
in
the
community.
What
are
some
needs
operationally
that
have
been
identified
by
staff
or
by
Council?
What's
the
future
hold
those
type
of
things,
because
when
you
go
to
recruit
a
city
manager,
you
want
to
be
able
to
show
all
of
those
things
that
are
going
on
initiatives,
Endeavors
and
frankly,
challenges
as
well.
You
know
what
are
what
is
that
person
going
to
be
walking
into
what's
ahead?
What's
on
the
docket,
what
are
in
plans?
C
What
are
in
studies?
What's
the
council
want
to
Endeavor
to
do
moving
forward
those
type
of
things,
but
also
it's?
The
main
purpose
of
the
effort
is
to
arrive
at
a
coalescence
around
desired
skill
sets
competencies,
characteristics
of
a
city
manager.
What
do
you
want?
What's
really
important
to
the
group?
C
You
know
what
is
shown
is
maybe
a
gap
area
that
you
would
hope
that
the
city
manager
may
bring
some
skills
into
the
full
to
help
lead.
The
efforts
and
I'll
talk.
How
I'll
mention
that
the
city
manager
position
is
I'm
very
a
strong
proponent
of
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
I
think
that
you
will
be
well
served
by
having
a
city
manager
when
they've
competent,
a
professional
and
nonpartisan
or
practitioner
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
are
a
cog
in
a
wheel,
myself
included
for
my
role.
C
C
So,
just
just
to
make
it
sort
of
an
overarching
comment
about
that.
It's
an
extremely
important
position,
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
meaningful
change
that
the
city
has
made,
but
it
is
also
just
one
person
you
know,
and
it's
in
one
cent,
one
move
that
you
have
made
in
the
right
direction:
I
think
from
a
professionalism
standpoint,
but
it's
still
one
move.
So
there's
a
lot
on
the
one
shoulders.
Whoever
that
will
be.
Would
you
be
interested
in
the
position?
C
You
know
with
all
the
respect.
No
I
would
not
I
I
didn't
tell
someone
on
the
way
down.
Who
was
actually
my
counterpart
in
Tompkins
County,
Jason
Molino,
so
he
works
in
Livingston.
County
now
is
an
executive
director
of
a
Water
and
Sewer
Authority.
C
D
C
Because
of
the
opportunities
to
make
a
difference,
be
of
impact
all
the
things
going
on
the
the
pedigree
of
the
city
itself
and
actually
I
say
that,
with
the
with
the
notations
of
the
challenges,
I
mean
so
let
alone
the
awesome
stuff
you
got
going
on,
but
I
mean,
if
you
like,
doing
the
work
and
you
want
to
kind
of
get
down
to
like
you
know,
helping
the
council
fix
problems
and
deliver
services
and
deliver
them
well
and
efficiently
effectively.
C
C
Okay,
so
the
purpose
document
the
qualifiers
here,
the
more
I,
get
into
what
what
kind
of
came
out
of
well
I'll
get
what
came
out
of
the
needs
assessment,
but
this
is
the
purpose
of
it.
The
qualifiers
are
the
way
that
I
construct.
These
is
is
organizational
from
an
internal
perspective,
but
also
Community
from
an
external
perspective,
so
because
the
city
manager
is
coming
into
a
government
that
serves
the
public.
So
what
is
going
on
in
the
public?
C
What
is
going
on
in
the
realm
of
Public
Services,
making
their
Mark
or
maybe
potentially
missing
the
mark
on
the
perceptions
of
the
staff
and
the
council?
So
it's
it's.
When
you
see
this,
it's
it's
more
than
just.
What
do
we
want
in
the
city
manager?
What
should
usually,
you
know
be
as
far
as
competencies
and
characteristics
and
skill
sets.
C
It's
also
what
is
going
on
in
the
city
proper
itself,
and
that
was
that
was
purposeful
to
include
those
elements
because
and
I'll
explain
why
a
little
bit
further,
but
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
qualify
that
up
front
as
sort
of
the
reasoning.
Why
those
things
like
what
does
success?
Look
like
things
like
what
are
the
challenges
in
the
community?
C
There
was
a
reason
and
a
distinct
purpose
for
including
those
because
I
think
it
helps
inform
the
overall
situational
awareness
and
Analysis
that
allows
you
to
set
up
properly
for
a
search
for
a
city
manager.
So
these
are
kind
of
all
one
close,
but
you
can
just
click
all
the
way
through
them,
because
I
can
describe
other.
A
D
C
It
should
be
like
maybe
two
or
three
more
so
just
wanted
to
go
over
these.
This
is
really
the
purpose.
So
if
you
were
able
to
participate
in
the
I,
think
that's
it
if
you
were
able
to
participate
in
the
needs
assessment,
as
the
council
member,
these
were
the
things
that
were
posed
as
questions.
C
So
what
does
success?
Look
like
for
the
city,
long
term
and
short
term?
What
are
important
issues
facing
the
city?
C
Then
you
got
into
competencies,
meaning
organizational
Effectiveness,
Performance,
Management,
strategic
planning,
the
management
of
people,
human
resources,
employee
relations,
so
you
get
into
the
key
and
common
things
that
you're
going
to
see
is
themes
of
the
profiles
of
us
of
your
prospective
applicants.
C
We
also
asked
a
little
bit
about
organizational
needs
like
where
do
you
think
the
city
is
in
need
of
some
things
where
the
city
manager
liked
the
parts
some
some
help
and
assistance
with
or
on?
Also
what's
working?
Well,
Community
challenges?
What's
working?
Well,
you
know
you
build
off
of
those
answers,
because
you
know
it
shines,
a
light
on
maybe
some
success
stories
that
you
might
be
aware
of,
or
that
you
might
not
be
aware
of
community
challenges.
C
Are
there
and
again
that's
purposeful,
because
you
want
to
be
able
to
show
to
the
city
manager
what's
ahead
and
a
good
city
managers
want
to
roll
up
their
sleeves
and
help
Advance
Community.
They
want
to
develop
the
community,
they
want
to
develop
Economic
Development.
They
want
to
improve
The
Human
Condition.
If
they're,
really
good
city
managers,
that's
what
that's
what
they
want
to
do
and
that's
what
you
want
in
the
candidates
that
are
going
to
be
coming.
Your
way
areas,
opportunity
as
well
and
characteristics,
is
more
singular
to
the
actual
city
manager
profile
itself.
C
C
So
communication
style,
the
other
one-
should
be
leadership
style,
so
communication
style
and
leadership
style
were
also
asked
of
the
survey
recipients,
School
staff
and
Council.
What
kind
of
style
was
was
sought
after
when
you're
talking
about
a
city
manager,
so
there's
one
more
leadership
style
I
mentioned
here:
yeah.
A
A
Jump
in
and
like
Council
know
that
this
presentation
will
be
shared
with
counselor.
The
slides
will
be
sure.
C
So
the
general
themes
of
the
response
is
I.
I
highlight
in
this.
You
know
play
on
the
Family
Feud,
but
succession
planning,
RNR
I
wish
was
rest
and
recuperation,
but
RNR
is
Recruitment
and
Retention,
which
is
really
the
issue.
C
Du
jour
for
a
village,
all
the
way
up
to
federal
government
post
covet
private
sector
has
rebounded
to
about
a
90
percent,
seven
percent
clip
on
employment
where
they
were
before
the
pandemic
and
where
they
are
now
government
was
still
hovering
in
the
60s
as
far
as
a
percentage,
so
there's
a
very
much
a
struggle
that
still
exists
and
a
channel
to
still
exists
on
backfilling,
a
lot
of
the
positions
sort
of
right
sizing
and
where
you
need
to
be
from
a
personal
perspective,
so
that
came
out
in
both
Council
and
Department
directors.
C
You
know
the
key
Department
vacancies
that
either
are
present
or
Loom.
You
know
making
sure
somebody's
at
the
helm
to
sort
of
guide
those
along
or
assist
in
that
Recruitment
and
Retention
in
general.
With
respect
to
staff
came
up
a
couple
of
different
times.
C
As
far
as
the
responses
government
operations
and
infrastructure
came
up
because
I
mean
really,
government
operations
is
a
common
one
that
comes
up
in
the
city
manager
assessment,
because
the
city
manager,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
is
a
COO
of
sorts
c-e-o-c-a-o,
with
a
being
administrative,
so
operational
responsibilities,
departmental
level
kind
of
funneling,
up
kind
of
guidance
that
you
know,
strategy
that
a
really
Authority
should
should
rest
and
be
carried
out
by
that
city
manager.
So
operations
did
come
up
as
an
element
of
the
responses.
C
Infrastructure
came
up
like
focus
in
on
it,
how
to
fund
it.
Frankly,
the
challenges
around
both
the
funding
of
it
and
the
timing
of
it
and
resources,
put
a
focus
on
it
and
making
sure
that
that
that
lens
of
focus.
What
I
got
out
of
the
response
is
that
that
remain
in
all
the
things
that
we've
you've
got
going
on
as
a
city
that
that
Focus
remained
on
infrastructure
as
well
sort
of
the
core
elements
of
Public
Works
yeah.
A
C
Obviously
sure
yeah
I
can
do
that.
Absolutely
the
public
safety
came
up
based
department
on
the
initiatives
of
the
reform
plan,
carrying
out
various
reforms.
That
was
an
element
of
some
of
the
responses.
Housing
homelessness.
C
You
know
Vitality
of
a
community,
but
in
some
of
the
responses
that
came
up
that
you
know
that
that
is
a
factor
you
know,
and
the
perception
I
got
is
some
of
the
responsible.
Is
that
that's
a
negative
factor?
The
cost
of
housing
is
a
concern.
You
know
people
can't
afford
to
live
in
houses
and
things
of
that
nature.
C
In
addition
to
General,
you
know
a
couple
of
comments
on
homelessness
in
general
and
and
serving
the
public,
and
how
does
a
city
serve
the
public
and
Partnerships
with
the
county
in
the
area
of
folks
who
are
are
potentially
presenting
as
home?
What's
in
the
city
within
the
community,
morale
and
culture
and
strategy,
as
a
recommended,
Focus
area
for
the
city
manager
to
you
know
build
that
rapport
with
staff
to
when
there
are
elements
to
work
on?
C
If
there
are
morale
issues
to
work
on
them
and
focus
on
them
to
you
know,
build
a
culture
of
performance
to
have
that
communicative
style
and
nature
with
staff.
Strategic
plan
came
up,
I'm
not
familiar
with
it.
If
you
actually
have
a
formal
strategic
plan
that
has
been
adopted
by
a
council,
but
the
reference
to
a
strategic
plan
did
come
up
and
then
the
implementation
of
course
thereof.
C
One
thing
that
definitely
was
shining
through
a
lot
of
the
queer
was
engagement,
so
that
was
the
take
I
was
I
got
from
that
was
engagement,
internal
and
external.
So,
internal
engagement
with
respect
to
staff
updates
collaboration,
cooperation,
overused
corporate
buzzword,
apologies,
but
you
know
breaking
down
silos
and
things
like
that,
but
engagement
to
the
public
externally
facing
there
was
a
reference
to
public
information
and
and
spreading
the
spreading.
The
word
letting
people
know
what
the
city's
involved,
with
kind
of
like
the
bang
for
the
buck
from
a
taxation
perspective.
C
You
know:
where
are
my
tax
dollars
going?
You
know
how
do
you,
besides
all
the
Endeavors
that
you
have
and
I'm
sure
you
do,
press
messaging
and
you
should
you
know,
there's
minutes
and
there's
probably
four
meetings
and
there's
presentations,
but
is
there
a
level
beyond
that
again
as
I'm
looking
at
that
from
an
objective
Observer?
That's
that's!
What
I
was
seeing
and
sort
of
what
role
can
the
city
manager
play
in
that
once
they
get
going?
A
C
So
there
was
a
question
posed.
What
does
success
look
like
and
we'll
talk
about
that
this
is
live.
C
So
success
is
and
again
I
tried
to
kind
of
place
this
in
a
in
a
nutshell
because
of
the
you
know
the
volume
of
the
responses,
so
if
success
positions
being
filled
focusing
on
Recruitment
and
Retention,
certainly
when
we
talk
about
finances,
I'll
get
to
it
at
the
end.
But
when
we,
when
I,
asked
about
the
key
competencies
and
the
general
listing
of
20
or
25
common
traits
of
a
city
manager,
the
number
one
response
was
budgeting
and
financial
acronym
NOW.
C
Having
that
good,
you
know,
base
level
background.
I
will
tell
you
that
is
a
very
common
response,
probably
the
most
common
response,
and
it's
also
almost
the
most
commonly
expected
responsibility
area
for
a
city
manager
like
you
know.
Yes,
it's
General
operations
and
administration
per
se,
but
there's
an
expectation
that
they
should
have
a
really
good,
sound
Foundation
of
budgeting
and
all
things
budgeting.
So
many
city
managers
are
the
budget
officer
in
additional
I,
mean
they'll
control
the
budget
development
of
the
budget
presentation.
C
The
budget
almost
like
you
know
the
governor
with
the
executive
budget
as
a
presentation
than
the
legislature.
That's
it
and
comments
on
it.
A
housing,
affordability
and
economic
development
were
prioritized.
Obviously,
individuals,
definition
of
what
economic
development
is
differ
depending
on
the
individual,
but
that
was
a
point
of
emphasis.
C
One
thing
I
do
not
note
here,
but
I
will
I
will
make
a
comment
on
that
in
situations
both
city
and
county,
when
I've
been
involved
with
a
jurisdiction,
especially
when
there's
a
new
position
being
contemplated
and
created,
I
would
have
expected
to
see
more,
oh
naysane,
perhaps
or
more
negatives,
in
relation
to
the
creation
of
the
city
manager
position,
because
there's
a
newness
Factor
there
when
there's
been
other
places
like
it's
there's,
been
more
negative
comments.
So
the
fact
that
I
didn't
see
that
I
think
is
a
very
promising
sign.
C
As
you
kick
something
off,
because
I
know
it
didn't
pass
with
with
a
very
very
Salvador
from
the
public,
and
it
would
fear
that
there
was
very
strong
support.
You
know
post
facto
from
that,
but
seeing
that
was
a
very
positive
sign.
I
think
it
sets
you
up
for
Success
because,
let's
give
them
the
example,
I
am
working
in
a
community
that
just
had
an
administrative
position
for
a
long
time.
Someone
left
they
chose
not
to
fill
it.
C
A
I'm
just
I'm
just
going
to
ask:
is
it
a
common
the
other
cities
you've
worked
with
that
they
maintained
the
Merrell
role
in
addition
to
the
city
manager,
or
is
that
unique
in
significant
I
I.
A
I
would
add
that
this
is
big
is
important.
Things
of
success
is
the
public
safety
reimagine,
really
advancing
and
getting
the
police
department
all
the
life
support
available,
and
that's
a
big
issue
here:
okay,.
E
Yeah,
yes,
I
do
I,
have
a
lot
to
say,
but
for
one
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
because.
D
E
Still,
my
head
is
still
back
in
last
week
that
the
mayor
work
dropped
75
right
and
right
now
they
only
do
50
percent.
So
if
you
only
put
50
and
you
drop
75,
why
do
we
need
a
mail?
So
that's
one
question:
I
have
real
serious
like
what
is
the
meaning
of
the
mayor
if
the
city
manager
is
going
to
be
doing
the
majority
of
their
work,
is
that
just
a
figurehead?
Is
that
something
we're
used
to
so
we
want
to
continue
to
have
it
I
also.
E
Yes,
we
really
need
to
build
our
Holy
Spirit
up
Department
up
to
what
this
imagine
what
we
also
mean,
very
importantly,
because
you
said
something
about
external
and
internal,
and
we
also
need
to
be
very
clear
that
executive
order,
203
was
talking
about
the
people
right
first
and
foremost,
and
let's
build
them
back
to
trusting
us
that
for
one
thing,
because
we're
out
there
right
now
with
this
whole
new
reimagine
so
and
that
and
I'm,
more
importantly
than
anything
and
I
know
that's
going
to
come
eventually,
because
we
keep
talking
about
money.
D
C
Okay,
so
let
me
try
to
tackle
some
of
those,
but
so
obviously
some
of
them
are
not
in
my
okay
wheelhouse
of
responsibility
to
potentially
opinion,
but
the
ones
that
I
that
I
can
I
will
so
where
so,
the
question
was
posed
of
the
majority
have
a
mayor,
so
they
they
usually
have
a
a
council
that
includes
a
mayor
and
I.
Don't
like
this
term
I
know.
C
I
know,
Ari
is
I'm
sure
has
seen
this
in
some
of
the
research
I,
don't
like
this
term,
but
they
have
a
strong
mayor,
form
of
government
and
a
weak
mayor
I.
Never
really
liked
that
I,
like
that,
you
know.
A
council
management
form
of
government
are
non-councilman,
the
former
Governor,
probably
a
little
bit
better.
C
So
the
mayor,
you
know
from
a
power
perspective,
you
know
still
would
retain.
You
know
some
powers
and
whatever
the
you
know,
the
process
looks
like
here.
C
Certainly,
you
know,
as
from
a
political
perspective
and
the
the
head
of
the
policy
making
body
I
mean
so
the
policy
making
body
needs
a
I
guess
you
could
say,
needs
ahead,
so
that
person
would
be
the
head
of
the
policy
making
body
as
far
is
what
gets
distilled
down
to
what
the
responsibility
areas
are.
C
It's
really
up
for
the
city,
but
again
in
most
examples,
I've
seen
it's,
you
know
the
running
the
meeting
you
know
things
like
impressive,
yes,
correct,
so
press
events,
things
like
political
exercises,
intergovernmental
relations,
some
representation
on
committees,
external
to
the
city,
that's
where
you
might
find
more
commonly
acceptable
roles
and
responsibilities,
areas
for
the
city
that
might
have
differed
from
what
they
used
to
be,
but
again
it's
really
up
to
the
individual
jurisdiction.
What
that
City
looks
like
excuse
me,
what
the
mayor
of
responsibility
looks.
A
Like
yeah,
we
can
we
can
recirculate
that
chart,
that
was
shown
and
May
31
committee
as
a
whole.
That
distinguish
the
responsibilities
of
the
city
manager,
who
will
be
the
CEO
of
the
screen
and
the
mayor,
who
will
be
the
new
recording
policy,
pen
and
public-facing
outward
facing
city
manager,
will
be
working
internally.
The
mayor
will
be
working,
yes,.
A
Sure
I
see
Jorge
and
Jordan
also
and
then
sort.
A
It
appeared
on
on
the
chart
presentation,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
I'm
not
familiar.
We
got
like
a
source
on
to
sort
of
the
mathematical
breakdown
of
how
that
that
announced
to
75
itself.
So
I,
don't
know
how
accurate
that
number
right
that'll
be
got
like
a
solid
understanding
of
like
well
responsibilities.
Lying
down,
you
know,
amount
to
75,
I,
think
that
number
could
vary
I
believe,
depending
on
what
we
decide
to
do
and
what
how
the
cards
fold
out.
A
With
my
understanding
of
the
situation
correct
me
and
if
I'm
wrong,
we
do
have
some
of
that
data
program.
D
A
Would
support
the
portion
of
responsibilities
between
mayor
and
city
manager
and,
if
I
made
Phoebe
to
your
point?
It
certainly
is
the
case
that
currently,
the
mayor's
position
is
a
part-time
position.
However,
the
the
expectation
is
not
always
our
time
or
the
demands
I
should
say,
and
part
of
that
is
because
we
don't
have.
We
have
a
chief
of
staff
under
the
chief
of
staff
who
don't
have
a
city
manager
who
has
the
authority
right
now
the
authority
rests
with
the
mayor
in
terms
of
working
with
staff
and
making
certain
decisions
that.
A
One
way
I
like
to
look
at
maybe
this
is
your
point
about.
We
need
a
Marinette
in
this
new
form.
The
mayor
will
be
a
member
of
council
who's
elected
by
the
entire
city.
A
A
Is
saying
you're
right,
like
I'm
thinking
of
looking
at
what
the
charter
says
going
forward,
dragging
that
right
to
your
point
from
last
meeting
should
be
about
the
Constitution
regulations.
I
mean
that
is
really
is
good,
for
course,
important
for
our
for
our
cities
to
have
to
be
engaged
in
the
community,
but
I
think
it
really,
depending
on
us,
as
like
individuals
and
future
elected
officials,
to
be
doing
the
work
of
constituent
relations
as
as
Laura
Hunters
have
mentioned
right.
He
does.
A
The
mayor
position
is
I
mean
even
in
the
memo
that
Council
supported,
justifying
change
right
like
there's
way
more
work
than
there
is
time
than
one
person
could
do,
and
so
the
administrative
things
get
prioritized,
and
maybe
some
constituent
work
policy
work.
Intergovernmental
relations
advocacy
where
grants
things
like
that
hold
by
the
wayside
and
I
think
that
future
elongation
responsibility
will
be
to
our
benefit.
A
C
I
I,
but
I
was
gonna
yep
I'm
back
I'm
back
on
green,
so
I
was
going
to
finish.
My
last
point:
is
that
not
to
shy
away
from
it
as
far
as
costs?
So
you
know.
Certainly
a
city
manager
is
a
new
position
into
the
city.
A
city
manager
comes
with
it
an
expectation
of
a
professional
background,
educational
background
that
in
2023
dollars
will
be.
You
know,
a
significant
chunk
of
change
and
I.
Just
you
know,
I,
don't
think
you
should
shy
away
from
that.
Oh
at
least.
C
You
know
it's
all
relative,
so
I
think
if
I
don't
know
if
you've
gotten
to
that
point
yet
as
far
as
any
ranges
or
things
like
that
or
any
expectations,
but
certainly
I
will
be
able
to
assist
down
the
road
as
far
as
that
goes
and
have
a
pretty
good
handle
on
where
things
are
across
New
York
and
in
areas
and
I
think
I
think
is
cost
of
living
as
sort
of
like
a
micro
economy
would
likely
have
to
be
bankered
in
I.
C
Think
what
I
would
do
is
probably
looking
at
it's
not
same
exact
position,
they're
not
pulling
from
the
same
pool.
So
don't
get
me
wrong,
but
School
superintendents
are
have
less
budget
responsibility,
potentially
have
less
service
go
potentially
and
our
paid
X
okay,
so
you
know
and
they're
paid
for
by
the
same
tax
paying
public
that
is
going
to
be
being
asked
to
pay
for
your
salary
at
the
city
manager.
So
I
you
look
to
that.
And
then
you
look
to
I'm.
Sorry
I
know.
C
Yeah
and
then
you
look
to
sort
of
where
a
chief
executive
officer
in
a
an
organizational
size
of
your
fiscal
footprint
is
your
organizational
footprint
should
make,
and
you
know
it
starts
to
you
know,
be
a
pretty
good
number,
a
decent
number
as
far
as
the
starting
salary.
You
know
and
just
to
be
be
honest
around
your
question
yeah,
that's
it's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
cost
to
it.
The
hope
is,
you
find
a
manager,
that's
worth
their
salt
and
they
are
in
turn.
C
E
A
Just
to
add
to
that
I
mean
I,
I
guess
I
would
draw
confident
attention
to
like
our
recent
compensation,
setting
where
one
of
the
positions
of
the
chief
of
staff
at
is
slightly
overpaid
relative
to
market
rate
and
the
the
memo.
The
supporting
legislation
that
Council
passed
in
2021
actually
said
that,
like
you
know,
the
state
manager
might
make
slightly
more
than
she
was
a
happy
man
and
exciting
less.
Let's
represent
that
new
division
of
responsibility.
A
A
Oh
yeah
I
was
only
referring
to
like
web
Council,
of
course,
like
messaged
to
the
public,
whatever
to
do
and
then
probably
advocated
for
and
then
put
to
vote,
maybe
obviously
have
been
stuck
and
want
to
change
that.
Oh
of
course
yeah
yeah.
Of
course,
I
will
say
this
I.
Think
Ian's
description
of
the
sort
of
classic
League
mayor
model
is
pretty
accurate
in
terms
of
what
understanding.
C
A
B
A
B
Of
a
corollary
here,
I
believe
the
school
district
School
District
budget
is
about
50
larger
than
ours,
and
their
district
is
significantly
larger
in
the
only
contain
a
portion
of
the
texting
entity
that
icoc
comprises.
C
As
an
example
of
a
position
that
is
in
the
public
and
I
didn't
mean
just
icsd,
you
know
just
superintendents
in
general
and
you
know
maybe
this
area,
that's
often
a
look
at
point
or
public
sector
entity,
that's
contemplating
the
CEO
type
type.
That's
on
I,
fairpoints,
totally
understand
where
you're
going
from
yeah.
C
So
four
five
six
just
to
ramp
up
this
slide.
Move
on
the
success
was
defined
as
a
smooth
transition
for
the
former
government.
It's
not
there's
not
a
ton
of
brand
new
city
manager,
positions
created,
I
mean
if
they've
had
them,
they've
usually
had
them,
and
if
there's
a
vacancy
there's
an
established,
a
trend
or
there's
an
established,
Norm
or
set
of
norms
and
forms.
C
So
I
think
that
people
identified
in
the
survey
that
smooth
transition
as
being
a
type
of
success,
and
certainly
the
positive
productive
relationship
and
the
dynamic
out
you'll,
hear
me
say
this
a
couple
of
different
times.
C
The
best
example
I
ever
heard
on
this
was
composer
conductor,
so
the
composition
of
the
policy,
the
composition
of
the
initiatives,
the
the
strategic
planning,
the
big
picture
undertakings,
the
I'm,
the
representative
of
the
residence
in
my
water
community-
and
this
is
what
I'm
hearing
from
my
people-
and
this
is
what
I'd
like
the
city
to
do,
and
the
city
manager
and
the
staff
are
charged
with
carrying
that
out
sort
of
conducting
that
policy
that's
been
composed
by
the
council.
That's
really
how
the
former
government
is
supposed
to
work.
C
For
that
reason,
I
know
that
was
all
under
study
and
probably
helped
support
the
vote
when
it
was
taken
and
then
I
think
engagement
came
out
a
lot
I
I
think
people
identified
that
an
enhancement
potentially
for
messaging
efforts
and
engagement
of
what
the
city
is
doing
with
the
community
would
be
a
wise,
a
wise
move
and
successful.
C
So
then
we
shift
this
to
organizational
link.
You
can
go
to
the
next
one
highlights
of
the
organizational
needs,
so
these
are
more
so
within
the
walls
and
within
the
confines
of
the
city
government
proper.
So
not
necessarily
the
City
Community
conditions
or
needs,
but
but
certainly
the
needs
of
like
the
organizations,
so
the
operational
stuff
resource
allocation
so
placing
the
requisite
amount
of
dollars
and
look
I
know
you
know,
departments
and
council
members
both
are
going
to
have
a
particular
areas
of
focus.
I
mean
that
certainly
exists
everywhere.
C
Certainly
if
I'm
a
department,
manager
and
I
feel
I'm
under
budgeted,
my
answer
track
might
be
in
I
need
more
resource
allocated
to
my
department,
but
resource
allocation
in
general
or
the
Highlight
you've
heard
me
say
this
a
couple
of
different
times
and
I
think
this
is
a
reason
for
that
Staffing
fulfilling
positions
adequately
Staffing
again,
someone's
version
of
the
word
adequately-
is
different,
depending
on
who's
talking
to
who
adequately
Staffing,
building
and
succession
plans
career
paths.
C
C
You
know
those
are
some
things
that,
from
an
organizational
perspective,
I
think
would
potentially
be
good
to
address
for
the
city
manager
and
the
staff,
certainly
as
a
city
in
New
York
with
a
property
tax
cap
with
you
know
the
tightness
of
assessed,
evaluation
and
growth
patterns
and
new
development.
C
You
have
the
you
know,
impacts
of
you
know
higher
ed,
and
you
know
certainly
non-profits
and
taxability,
of
course.
So
what
are
the
long-term
budget
Financial
stability
strategies
that
was
identified
as
an
organizational
need
collaboration
with
the
county
with
you
know,
State
and
not-for-profit
partners
with
higher
ed,
also
collaboration
within
the
walls
of
city
government
that
came
out
I.
C
Think
in
some
of
the
department
director
surveys,
particularly
where
you
know
we're
talking
together,
knowing
what's
going
on,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
of
a
a
Cadence
on
on
on
get-togethers
or
collaboration
or
communication,
also,
communication
internal
to
the
walls,
both
what
can
the
city
in
the
Departments
and
the
city
manager
do
and
the
council
do
to
communicate.
Just
from
within
and
who's
who's
within
that's
charged
with
communicating
externally
to
the
public.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
of
that
I
feel
that
there's
a
feeling
that
accountability
can
be.
C
You
know
not
improved
to
say
that
it's
lacking
I
don't
think
there
was
that,
but
accountability
from
the
perspective
of
city
managers
expected
to
bring
in
a
level
of
accountability
as
that
that
top
operational
official,
that's
sort
of
in
the
know,
a
highlight
of
a
good
city
manager
is
as
a
generalist.
C
Why
hasn't
it
taken
place,
let's
make
sure
and
take
out
that
accountability
measure
it's
not
to
suggest
and
I'm,
certainly
not
suggesting
that
council
is
not
doing
that,
but
there's
an
expectation
that
the
charges
of
council
to
carry
forward
things
are
resting
on
the
shoulder
City
in
Andrew
to
go
ahead,
and
do
that?
That's
that's
what
you're!
That's
why
it's
there
and
and
that's
a
that's,
a
clear
and
totally
understandable
expectation
and
then
strategic
planning
that
came
up
a
few
times
as
far
as
an
organizational
need.
C
You
know
where,
where
does
the
city
want
to
go
moving
forward?
A
little
bit
like
we
touched
on
in
this
sort
of
almost
accidentally
I
guess
you
could
say
organically.
We
touched
on
it,
but
really
that's
more
of
a
robust
process,
that's
specific
to
the
organization
and
the
Strategic
plan,
but
that
was
that
was
talked
about
a
little
bit
there
too.
Anything
on
that
before
we
go
to
challenges
and
opportunities.
A
Yeah
so
a
few
years
ago,
the
city
did
a
called
a
climate
survey
because
they
got
a
read
on
the
pulse
of
staff
and
how
they're
feeling
and
this
accountability
thing
did
come
up
in
I.
Think
in
the
context
of
showing
them
wrong
for
the
context
of
people
not
pulling
their
weight
and
then
being
a
house
message
for
it
and
I'm
serious.
If
that,
if
you
saw.
C
That
that's
part
of
the
day
I
did
something
yeah
exactly
yeah
I
did
a
smattering
of
times,
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
an
overwhelming
value,
but
certainly
more
than
a
couple.
Yeah.
E
Oh
Michael,
my
question
is
I,
don't
know
how
to
how
many
people
and
who
answered
this
survey.
Could
you
give
me
yeah.
C
It
was,
it
was
it
was.
It
was
task
of
me
to
develop
it
specifically
for
senior
staff,
department,
directors
and
then
city
council,
all
typically
thanks
or
you
can
go
actually
on
our
next
one.
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
ones.
That's
it's
action
on
click,
so
you
can
click
off
you
can
play
through
so.
A
This
is
in
response
to
questions
that
were
just
asked.
Ian
will
also
be
giving
a
presentation
to
senior
staff.
A
C
That's
that's
a
part
of
the
council.
Okay,
it's
been
done
both
ways.
Sometimes
the
council
says
that
through
us
and
in
our
Outreach
and
our
in
our
purposeful
operation,
as
well,
probably
helping
my
door
and
says
maybe
doing
a
little
bit
more
regular
hours.
Sometimes
it's
that
sometimes
it's
just
like
we're
doing
now,
and
sometimes
it's
some
sort
of
forums
and
and
a
survey,
an
email
thing
on
a
website
thing,
and
sometimes
it's
actually
a
whole
lot
of
effort.
So
it
does
that.
E
A
Yes,
so
I
think
to
be
disappointed
in
point.
I
think
others
may
share
these
meetings.
The
committee
of
the
whole
is
these:
are
special
working
meetings.
A
However,
we
do
hope
members
of
the
public
are
either
viewing
in
tonight
or
look
at
the
reportings
so
that
you
know
to
me
incumbent
upon
all
of
us
to
share
these
recordings
to
discuss
with
our
constituents
and
then,
as
we
move
through
the
process,
once
we
get
into
looking
at
positions
and
candidates,
then
we
can
also
have
an
invite.
C
So
these
are
some
examples
of
what
came
out
as
far
as
challenges
and
opportunities.
So
sometimes
these
are
positive,
so
I'll
take
staff
as
ambassadors
that
was
referenced,
I
think
in
both
sets
of
surveys.
As
you
know,
staff
are
our
best
Ambassador.
You
know,
we've
got
some
great
staff
if
they're
out
there
in
the
field,
you
know
talking
about
working
for
the
city,
they
can
be
some
of
your
best
recruiters
and
they
can
also
be
your
some
of
your
best
representatives
of
what
I
call
government
good
government.
C
No
government
done
well
public
service
at
its
finest.
You
know
out
there
in
the
community
serving
the
public
and
having
that
sort
of
mission
oriented
orientation,
so
that
was
sort
of
an
opportunity.
You
know:
how
can
we
build
upon
that?
Okay
right,
they
didn't
say
this
in
the
response,
but
that's
where
that's,
where
I
go
with
those
things
like?
How
can
you
build
upon
that?
How
can
you
refine
that
perfect?
That,
in
terms
of
you
know
a
strategy,
intergovernmental
relations
higher
ed
Partnerships,
certainly
both
identified
as
challenges
and
opportunities?
C
Some
of
these
are
kind
of
Bland
sounding
like
housing.
What
does
it
mean?
I,
I,
think
really
the
council
knows
is
going
to
know
what
that
means.
You
know
the
council
knows
where
you
want
to
go
in
housing,
you
get
into
more
internal
within
the
walls
and
some
of
these
so,
for
example,
technology.
The
present
status
of
Technology
technological
systems
in
the
city
and
how
good
are
they
strategies
for
internal
operations?
C
Is
there
a
sense
that
there's
a
strategy
there
that
has
come
up
quite
a
bit,
so
I
would
sense
if
I
was
going
to
try
to
grab
some
themes
out
of
this,
you
know
the
overall
strategic
direction
from
an
operational
perspective
of
all
these
departments
working
together,
you
know
it
seems
that
at
least
some
of
them
are
coming
up
with
that.
As
a
comment,
potentially
looking
at
policies
and
procedures,
that's
a
common
thing
that
a
manager
might
do
certainly
with
talking
with
Council
hey.
C
How
are
we
with
this
policy
or
this
procedure
is?
Are
there
bumps
in
this?
Are
we
too
bureaucratic
here?
Is
there
too
much
rent
tape
here
permitting
applying
for
a
job
the
budget
process?
Those
are
common
things
that
you
would
be
maybe
looking
for
a
city
manager
to
certainly
minimally
impart
some
commentary
but
work
with
Council
on.
Where
would
you
like
to
be
on
some
of
those
policies?
C
Again,
you?
You
have
heard
being
harp
on
this
public
information
and
communication,
but
also
compensation
of
benefits.
There
was
there
was
some
talk
about
that
you
could
see
from
some
of
the
staff
you
know.
As
far
as
you
mentioned
accountancy
you
can
study,
you
know,
that's
being
done
so
I
think
there's
a
thought
that
you
know
Labor
Relations
and
compensation
and
benefits,
and
what
could
be
some
improvements
there?
A
city
manager
will
will
likely.
They
will
likely
have
some
good,
solid
experience
in
labor
relations.
C
So
that
that
was
some
commentaries
from
both
part
of
the
survey.
So
what
is
the
city
doing
to
effectuate
their
ideals
relative
to
diversity?
Equity
inclusion,
probably
with
staff,
is
what
the
gist
I
got
out
of
that,
so
staff
are
also
as
an
organization.
So
what
what
messaging
are
you
putting
forward
with
respect
to
your
emphasis
on
that
as.
E
C
Okay,
so
now
we
actually
get
to
the
key
Catholics:
it's
these
and
characteristics
of
a
city
manager.
D
C
What
do
we
want?
Of
course
we
is,
is
the
folks
that
participate
in
this,
and
this
is
also
a
good
opportunity
for,
even
if
you
did
participate
in
that
to
share
other
comments,
because
this
really
informs
the
processary
budget.
C
C
Is
the
responses
and
the
results
from
the
people
who
are
in
the
know
who
work
for
the
council
or
our
common
Council
worked
for
the
city
or
our
department,
director,
leader
representative
of
those
of
those
staff
and
they're,
basically
saying
like
we
know
back
to
my
point
of
that,
it
seems
to
be
that
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
this
and
not
a
lot
of
anything,
that's
fantastic.
So
you
have
manager
base
level
and
then
your
next
level
is
these
individuals,
both
Council
and
staff,
saying
well.
C
What
do
we
want
when
we
talk
about
wanting
a
city
manager,
I
mean
it's
the
operational
stuff
and
the
outcome
stuff
and
yeah?
We
want
budget,
but
what
else-
and
this
is
really
that
one
else
question
or
what
specifically
question
so
listening
came
up
a
lot.
You've
heard
me
talk
about
accountability,
team
up
a
lot,
I!
Think
to
your
point,
Phoebe's.
C
You
know
someone
who
has
the
ability
to
see
operationally
budgetary
with
management
through
a
lens
of
equity
and
decision-making
process,
mission-driven
kind
of
servant,
leadership
that
kind
of
goes
into
your.
You
know
your
intrinsic.
You
know
motivational
factors
of
why
you're
in
the
business
period,
pragmatic,
patient
patient
is
of
course,
like
things
take
time
you
know,
and
you
don't
want
to
be,
that
kind
of
you
know:
Bona
china,
shop
or
too
fast,
too
quick
I,
think.
C
Actually
it
speaks
to
the
city
itself
that
when
it
passed,
it
was
taken
a
very
methodical
approach
to
arriving
at
this.
So
I
think
that
is
very
important
and
I
think
that
will
prove
very
beneficial
when
you,
when
you
get
to
the
point
of
actually
putting
down
the
search
that
you've
done.
All
that
work
that
you've
been
impatient
very
met.
You
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
this.
C
These
data
sets
these
points
these
these
exchanges
with
Council
the
candid
commentary,
the
the
meeting
I'm
going
to
have
with
the
staff
the
inputs
we've
already
got
from
the
staff,
so
you've
done
a
really
good
kind
of
taking
a
holistic
approach
and
a
slow
role
to
it,
but
in
a
good
way,
there's
probably
a
couple
of
them
around
there.
So
there's
the
strategic
planning
thinking,
communication.
A
C
Transparency,
so
it
was
okay,
so
transparency
from
where
are
we
going
with
City?
You
know
Affairs,
where
are
we
going
with
City
operations,
but
also
to
the
public
I?
Think
the
people
that
answered
that
question
that
commented
on
transparency
were
coming
at
that
from
an
angle
of
both
internal
and
external
personally
I'm,
like
a
huge
proponent
of
that
so
I
think
I
think
anything
and
everything
you
can
do
with
respect
to
information
sharing
and
public
information
and
open
forums,
and
things
like
that.
C
It
is
all
the
better
tour
of
the
city,
someone
that
can
Inspire
an
inclusive
person,
open-minded,
but
just
a
couple
things
here.
Listening
collaboration,
accountability
were
probably
the
the
large
the
largest
shining
themes
and
some
of
the
responses.
D
A
C
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
I'd
like
to
clarify
one
element
of
my
commentary
on
that.
One
is
that
that
it
should
be
naive
to
the
politics
that
exists
period
in
government
and
life
in
the
world,
so
there's
a
political.
You
often
see
they
should
be
nonpartisanally
political,
but
politically
standing.
That
just
means
that
you
know
they
know
that
there's
interactions
with
the
council
going
on
on
some
issue.
C
They
know
that
somebody's
in
the
community
buying
from
some
project
that
the
council
may
be
engaged
in
to
try
to
talk
for
and
advocate
rightly
so,
for
you
know
for
good
reasons.
So
it's
that
so
I
think
the
way
you
get
around
you
get
to
that
question
directly
to
the
individuals
is
twofold:
one.
Is
you
ask
the
question
if
they're
an
icma
icma
member,
they
adhere
to
a
code
of
ethics.
The
code
of
ethics
speaks
directly
to
it
and
if
they
say
they
adhere.
D
C
D
C
With
it,
but
that's
an
easy
one,
so
you
say:
do
you?
Are
you
an
ICU
member?
Yes,
okay,
do
you
adhere
to
the
code
of
that
mix
or
what
does
the
code
of
that
mix
mean
to
you
and
if
they're,
you
know
a
good
city
manager,
they're
going
to
comment
on
that
I
mean
I'm.
Gonna,
say
it's
on
my
wall
at
work,
I'm
going
to
say:
I
put
it
into
effect,
I'm
going
to
say
those
type
of
things.
C
You
should
expect
people
that
are
ICM
icma
members
and
say
that
not
everybody
is
an
iacma
member,
so
you
would
probably
say
you
know.
We,
for
example,
I
don't
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
but
you
know
we.
We
chartered
this
position
and
structured
this
position
such
that
our
expectation
is
that
they
will
be
a
nonpartisan
practitioner
of
global
government
management
and
they
will
be
a
political
and
stay
out
of
The
Fray.
With
respect
to
you
know
all
things
all
things:
politics.
Are
you
comfortable
in
that
position?
I
think
that's
a
fair
question.
C
C
That
makes
sense.
That's
good,
yeah,
okay!
So
then
just
have
a
couple
more
things
and
then
we'll
have
you
know
an
opportunity
for
the
final
comments
in
Q
a
so
the
key
competency.
So
I
there
was
a
non
exhaustive,
so
it
was.
C
It
was
a
pretty
inclusive,
but
it
didn't,
of
course,
have
every
single
element
of
a
potential
competency
list
of
20
plus
factors
where
skill
sets
and
characteristics
and
competencies,
and
then
we
were
asked
you
were
asked
to
to
rank
them
and
as
well
as
the
staff
in
both
sets
of
surveys,
organizational
Effectiveness
and
budget
and
financial,
you
know
capabilities
were
the
top
two.
That
does
not
surprise
me.
C
Those
are
the
top
two
task
oriented
job
tasks
of
a
of
a
city
manager
really
and
then
strongly.
You
know
leadership
and
then
sort
of
a
blending.
So
it
was.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
a
drop
off
after
that,
but
then
there
was
kind
of
a
hodgepodge
of
different
percentages
based
on
their
responses,
but
employee
relations,
recruitment
retention,
management
of
people.
So
that's
like
human
resources.
C
So
all
things
related
to
people
I
kind
of
bucketed
there
and
that
and
that
Forest
bullet,
because
that
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
little
ones
that
that
all
were
kind
of
in
the
realm
of
Human
Resources
management,
people,
management
and
then
communication
was
also-
which
doesn't
surprise
me,
because
that
obviously
wasn't
being
throughout
different
things
needs
challenges,
opportunities
what
we
want
for
for
strengths,
the
the
word
communication
comes
up
for
all
of
those
things
and
then
strategic
planning
and
performance
measurement,
so
those
were
kind
of
distant
third
quarter.
C
Sixth,
seventh
grade,
but
I
blocked
them
together.
The
key
point
and
takeaway
for
me
for
this,
for
this
slide,
was
that
sort
of
rightly
so
or
expectedly,
so
that
those
were
the
top
two
areas
of
focus
foreign.
A
How
do
we
assess
what
the
fiduciary
responsibility
is
of
a
chief
executive
of
this
stature
when
you're
operating
in
a
politicized
environment
and
things
that
perhaps
the
council
are
considering,
could
break
the
budget?
A
C
Yeah,
it's
a
very
good
question.
If,
if
a
manager
is
tasked
with
producing
some
documentation
or
some
reports
or
some
analyzes
around
a
matter
that
Council
wants
to
advance
in
and
that
that
city
manager
will
will
do
that,
so
they
will
produce
it
and
they
likely
will
have
some
Alternatives.
They
will
likely
have
some
commentary
because
they'll
probably
be
an
ask
for
some
sort
of
advisory
capacity,
but
I
think
I.
Don't
see
that
as
so,
the
political
players
are
those
that
are
elected
through
a
political
process.
C
They
may
want
to
advance
an
initiative
that
that
I
guess
remember
what
you're,
maybe
maybe,
who
leans
political,
maybe
doesn't
mean
political
I.
Go
to
me.
It
didn't
matter
the
city
manager's
task
with
coming
up
with.
C
C
C
That
says,
because
I
think
you
know
technically
where
you
know
there
was
a
couple
comments
in
this
from
either
staff
or
whatever
about
different
initiatives
around
I,
believe,
electrification
and
and
green
initiatives
and
environment
roles
and
things
of
that
nature,
and
it
would
just
simply
be
whatever
the
city
proper
itself
as
a
service
provider
is
wanting
to
be
involved
with
whether
it's
initiative,
a
project,
a
program,
a
public
works
project,
a
capital
plan
producing
their
budget
should
be
resolved,
should
be
easy
for
a
good
city
manager.
What
if
it's?
A
Question
correctly,
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
that
you
know
a
a
hard
no
to
a
reform
package
or
an
aspirational
expense
for
the
city
based
on
the
financial
data,
which
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
city
manager
to
deliver
I.
Guess
you
kind
of
need
to
condition
the
community
to
understand
that?
That's,
not
a
political
gesture
that
is
just
dollars
and
cents.
Speaking
back,
it's
definitely
political
gesture,
but
I
project.
The
premise
of
your
statement
right,
that's
absolutely
a
political
gesture,
absolutely
yeah!
So
but
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
A
A
Was
the
right
one,
but
we
didn't
have
frankly,
you
know
the
documentation
that
I
would
have
liked
and
I'm
just
curious
in
their
personal
experience,
and
the
other
good
stuff
is
interesting.
What
the
annual
review
process
and
today
yeah.
C
So
there
would
be
an
expectation
that
really
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
firm
one
in
my
history.
With
these
things,
I
think
some
files
that
I
know
council's
been
working
on
essentially
you've
got
a
must-have
with
a
performance
appraisal.
Process
must
have
you
know
it
should
be.
It
should
be
clearly
articulated
in
the
set
of
parameters
that
the
city
manager
Works
under
and
within.
C
They
differ,
though
I
mean
it
depends
on
what
council's
preferences
are,
but
usually
it's
you
know
some
sort
of
council.
You
know
scoring
or
agreed
upon
instrument
of
some
sort
that
speaks
to
a
self-assessment,
Council
assessment.
You've
seen
them
go
into
360s,
where
the
department
directors
might
be
asked
to
opine
on
the
performance
as
well,
but
minimally
and
I
would
say
the
base
level
or
the
customary
majority
ones
that
you
see
out.
There
are
Council,
you
know
minimally
annually.
C
Sometimes
when
they
get
started,
it
might
be
a
touch
earlier
than
that
and
that's
and
that's
the
documentation.
That
would
be
the
point
or
that
would
be
the
point
in
the
process
of
the
relationship
where
certainly
you're
going
to
have
some
informed
informal
stuff.
You
know
like
means
and
put
the
council
or
the
mayor,
then
that's
the
formal
stuff,
and
if
you
actually
got
to
a
relationship
that
was
Sour,
that
performance
was
a
factor
or
whatever
the
fit
wasn't
there.
C
The
mechanism
does
exist
for
you
to
remove,
but
there's
a
person
from
the
position.
That
would
be
the
process,
and
that
would
be
you
know
it
would
speak
to
the
employment
agreement,
and
you
know
what
provisions
and
what
process
would
have
to.
You
know
flow
through
and
be
carried
out
for
that
to
happen,
but
and
managers
know
that
it's
it's
really.
Yes,
there's
probably
a
term
of
office
in
many
managers
and
administrators
I
have
a
four-year
term
of
office.
I
know
they
can
get
rid
of
me.
C
C
So
ours
was
a
one
time
a
year.
It's
the
board
leadership
that
they're
charged
with
so
it's
five
individuals,
I
have
a
I,
have
a
17
member
or
so
I
always
say:
I
got
17
bosses,
one
at
home,
18,
total
and
so
there's
there's
17
of
them,
and
they
they
defer
in
my
in
the
local
law
that
governs
our
process.
C
They
defer
the
the
leadership
team
of
the
board
and
it's
five
individuals
they're
charged
with
talking
to
all
the
other
board
members
getting
and
gaining
inputs,
and
then
there's
a
but
I
would
kind
of
say
a
traditional
performance
appraisal
document
that
is
is
reviewed
on
on
various
categories,
and
then
they
submit
that
to
me
and
that
serves
as
a
basis
for
my
performance.
Briefly
and
those
are
all
documented.
You
know
on
bio
and
then
say
these
those
weren't
going
well.
A
A
I
I'm,
also
a
strong
believer
in
you
know,
doing
the
hard
work
up
front
helps,
helps
lessen
the
problems
that
we
might
encounter
later
on.
So
in
that
regard-
and
maybe
this
is
upcoming
in
your
presentation-
yeah
or
maybe
it's
the
mayor
or
whoever
isn't
Shelley,
but
what?
What
are
you
doing
with
us?
In
other
words,
what's
your
involvement
with
this?
Are
you
going
to
help
us
in
assisting
the
search,
delivers
a
finalists
to
go
through
interviews,
I,
don't
even
know.
A
If
that's
the
thing
we're
going
to
do
and
we'll
and
then
you're
done
and
we
go
through
the
rest
of
the
process.
Or
will
you
be
there
to
help
us
say
craft
how
those
interviews
should
go
to
help
us
really
assess
whether
a
candidate
has
the
kind
of
competencies
that
we're
expecting.
C
Out
of
them,
yeah
good
question,
so
for
the
purpose
of
for
the
purpose
of
the
phase
one,
it's
it's
it's
more
of
a
profile,
competencies,
characteristics
and
phase,
two
which
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
is
more
of
a
full,
robust,
comprehensive,
traditional
executive
Search.
You
know
a
national
executive
Search
where
you're
sourcing
candidates
talking
to
people
that
is
then
constructed.
However,
the
council
would
want
it
to
be
constructed.
C
So,
for
example,
where
do
things
like
this
granular
level?
Things?
Where
did
the
applications
go
at
one
point
in
time
is:
is
the
council
engaged
to
review
those
moment,
one
to
score
them,
assess
them
more
so
later
on
in
the
process
it
differs
by
by
Party
by
Council,
by
by
County.
C
So
those
would
be
the
type
of
questions,
but
certainly
in
a
in
a
in
a
phase.
Two
full
search
I
would
find
myself
involved
with
those
type
of
things.
C
You
know
crafting
interview,
questions,
doing
assessments
sometimes
doing
screening
for
on
behalf
of
council,
and
sometimes
folks
prefer
that,
and
sometimes
they
don't
so
that
would
be
that
intuitive
process
to
figure
out
iterative
process
figure
out
what
you
want
and
that
will
be
questions
fit
interview
scenario,
development
things
like
that
coordination
of
all
that
that
would
be
in
the
phase
two
Department
search.
C
Yeah
I
touch
on
it,
but
so
you
were
right
position,
profile,
job
description,
so
city
manager,
search
of
where
you
are
in
the
process,
there's
basically
kind
of
three
things
that
end
up
being
kind
of
produced
as
an
actual
product,
especially
when
you
are
just
creating
one
from
scratch
which,
which
you
are
civil
service,
has
a
formal
job
description.
C
So
that
is,
shall
we
purview
she's
working
on
ads
being
updated
so
that
that
is
a
civil
service
job
description,
so
somebody
who
is
applying
for
the
position
would
have
to
meet
some
base
level
requirements.
C
A
A
You
know
read
our
mind
and
I
think
this
has
been
discussed
in
the
conversations
I
I
should
say
that
Shelley
and
I
have
had
a
few
meetings
and
meetings
with
Ian,
which
has
been
very
productive
and
we
have
shared
some
of
this.
We've
looked
at
and
discussed
the
leads
assessment,
so
Ian
has
been
doing
so
much
with
with
us
already
to
set
this
up.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Let
me
just
jump
in
here
and.
A
Editorialize
and
say
I
appreciate
your
comment
that
we
are
taking
a
very
methodical
and
thorough
process
at
heart.
Going
forward,
there's
I
understand
concern.
We
have
a
city
manager
role
that
begins
January
2024.
We
want
to
both
make
haste,
but
also
be
very
deliberate
with.
D
A
Complex
change
to
our
city
level,
so
the
fact
that
you
describe
it,
as
you
know,
methodical
and
thorough
process
that
we're
undergoing
is
hardening
to
to
me,
because
that
has
been
our
intent.
We
want
this
to
be
successful.
We
want
the
first
city
manager
coming
in
to
be
successful.
Only
one
Council
to
be
successful
in
this
endeavor.
This
relationship,
we're
into
the
first
city
manager,
so
we're
moving
ahead,
very
method.
E
Ahead,
you
know
I
I'm,
just
I'm,
just
this
methodical,
I
can't
say
words
I'm,
just
we
still
trying
to
get
a
city
chief
of
chief
of
police
right
and
so
and
I'm
looking
at
this
is
not
June
anymore,
July,
August,
September,
October,
November
December,
and
we
need
somebody
for
January
1st
right
so
I'm
a
little
concerned.
C
Okay,
I
can
speak
with
that
and
I
actually
was
gonna.
A
I'll
jump
into
confirmed
that
we
are
invent,
we
have
a
contract
for
phase
one
and
there
will
be
a
contract
coming
that
comes
for
phase
two
of
Ian's
work.
So
tonight
was
to
talk
about
where
we
are
right
now,
the
deliverables
of
phase
one
and
then,
as
we
move
into
phase
two
and
I'm
right
there
with
you
Amy,
we
have
a
number
of
key
positions,
requirements
in
the
city
and
the
months
are
going
by
faster
than
any
of
us
might
might
like.
But
that
is
the
case.
A
So
we
have
to
be
methodical
and
trying
to
think
of
what
we're
used,
not
no
errors,
no
errors
and
not
lose
our
our
scheme
not
lose.
C
This
one
one
point
I
was
going
to
make
on
some
of
the
discussions
that
started
that
that
track
was
the
the
approach
of
doing
a
a
savings
on
the
lay
of
the
land
and
and
a
competencies
and
involving
folks
as
you've
done
it
early
on
in
the
process
which
helps
it's
not.
You
know
it's
not
always
a
thousand
percent,
but
it
helps
the
likelihood
for
Success
moving
forward.
C
I
think
it
was
Rob's
point
that
you
know
some
of
this
preliminary
work
is
like
uber
important,
so
you
places
have
not
done
all
this
and
just
started
the
ball.
Rolling
put
it
that
way,
so
I
think
it's
very
important
that
you've
chosen
to
go
this
route.
That's
what
I'm
saying
so
just
quickly
on
this
I
mentioned
a
civil
service
job
description.
C
The
position
profile
is,
is
the
phase
one
deliverable
in
part,
taking
a
draft
of
some
documentation
that
I've
started
to
put
together,
taking
the
feedback
received
today
and
then
and
then
next
week.
That
includes
you
know
additional
details
on
the
job
specifically,
but
also
the
challenges
and
then
really
what
the
ideal
candidate
profile
starts.
C
To
starts
to
look
like,
based
on
all
the
commentary
and
the
feedback
from
all
of
you
and
from
the
staff,
so
really
that's
where
the
council
comments
on
the
profile,
competencies
key
characteristics,
the
the
things
that
I'm
taking
notes
on
here,
the
the
thing
that
I've
already
received
anything
that
will
be
forthcoming
shortly
after
this
meeting
that
becomes
a
a
poof.
You
know
thought
from
from
you
on
the
way
home.
You
know.
Certainly
you
know,
of
course,
on
my
way
and
then
to
wrap
up.
C
I
have
one
last
one
for
final
conference,
so
we
make
a
movie,
maybe
in
the
corner,
for
that
one.
D
C
Yeah
sorry
yeah
so
final
comments.
As
I
said,
the
only
thing
I'm
non
nonpartisan
on
is
I'm
partisan,
on
the
fact
that
I
really
believe
strongly
into
professional
City
management
position,
so
I'm
openly
subjective
on
that
one.
But
I
I
do
believe
strongly
in
it.
I've
spoken
to
many
councils
about
it.
C
I
didn't
speak
to
the
city
council
in
Ithaca
about
it,
but
I
followed
it
from
the
outside
very
closely
and
it
was
sort
of
rooting
for
the
change,
because
I
do
I
do
believe
in
it,
and
this
is
coming
from
someone
who
spoke
at
three
Buffalo
City
capital,
Council
meetings
to
like
empty
chambers
and
knowing
that
was
a
quixotic
effort
at
best
that
that
was
ever
going
to
happen.
But.
D
C
Tried
and
I
spoke
to
the
the
benefits
of
the
city
city
council
of
Buffalo,
but
I
mentioned
the
composer
conductor,
relationship
I.
Think
that's
something
to
keep
top
of
Mind
as
you
roll
this
process
out.
C
I
think
it
I
should
shine
to
you
that
communication
was
interwoven
and
in
the
challenges
and
in
the
opportunities
in
the
successes
and
the
things
to
shoot
for
and
then
what
we
want
in
the
city
manager.
What
we
want
to
council
manager
communication
will
communicate
with
it
comes
up
a
lot,
so
I
just
keep
that
top
of
mind.
C
A
cognitive
wheel,
it's
an
individual
actor
and
a
greater
Public
Service
delivery
mechanism,
that
is
city
government
in
Ithaca.
It's
a
super
important
position.
It's
worthwhile!
It's
meaningful!
It's
valuable!
That's
why
you
Endeavor
to
pursue
it
and
that's
why
you
got
the
votes
and
that's
why
you
got
it
done
and
that's
why
so
many
places
have
done
when
you
did
National,
but
it's
just
one
person
so
I
mean
I.
Think
the
supports
need
to
be
there
from
the
council
the
the
direction.
C
The
strategy
you
know,
just
even
down
to
the
level
of
you
know,
feelings:
The,
Filling
staff
positions
are
they're
deciding
what's
going
on
with
certain
staff
positions.
I
mean
that's
really
important
for
the
success
of
what
ends
up
being
the
success
of
the
city
manager
so
kind
of
into
that
point
it
you
know
it
takes
the
community.
The
city
can't
resolve
all
issues
that
are
on
your
plate,
but
you
can
work
towards
you
know.
C
You
know
Perfections
to
imperfect
situations,
refinements
of
things
that
need
refining
and
that's
your
role
as
a
council
and
I
think
that
having
a
good,
competent,
professional,
coocao
CEO
to
to
take
you
to
that
that
level,
like
I,
said
to
your
question
Jeff
for
your
comment,
I
mean
this
would
be
a
wonderful
opportunity
for
a
really
good
City
maker
I
mean
it's
just
it's
there
for
the
taking
honestly
for
a
great,
a
great,
successful
partnership.
C
In
my
my
opinion,
I'll
end
with
a
joke
that
there's
a
joke
in
the
profession
that
you
want
to
be
the
second
city
manager
in
a
community.
Sorry.
C
So
this
comes
from
someone
who
was
the
very
first
Village
manager
in
the
village
of
Brockport,
so
I
actually
come
from
experience.
I
was
the
very
first
chief
administrative
officer
for
a
village
government,
okay,
but
it
was
a
you
know.
It
was
a
town,
gown
Village
government
at
8,
000
people
very
small,
but
Village
of
Brockport
I
was
hired
as
a
Treasurer
Finance
person
and
they
said
look.
It
was
too
much
even
that
small
village
of
complexities
and.
D
C
You
know:
Public
Works,
challenges,
planning,
challenges,
communication
challenges
and
they
created
the
position
of
Village
manager
and
named
me
the
position
of
Village
manager,
so
I
personally
have
experience
being
the
first
person,
so
I
can
kind
of
you
know
impart
on
some.
You
know
Lessons
Learned
and
things
like
that
so
but
joke
around
about
that.
I
still
think
you'll
be
successful
in
finding
that
person.
But
it's
it's
always
that
nuanced
difference
between
a
long
established
tracker
because
you're
going
into
this
new
YouTuber.
C
You
also
have
Council
changes
looming
from
you
know:
okay,
so
you're
going
into
all
this
new
as
well.
So
it's
just
important
to
I,
guess
I'll
I'll
say
my
last
word
just
recognize
and
appreciate
that
you
know
that
Nuance
that
that's
a
new
position
that
they're
walking
into
as
well
it's
new
to
you
and
really
just
how
do
you
make
it
work?
You
told
the
public
you
want
to
make
it
work,
so
that's
your
charge
make
it
work.
Yeah.
A
D
A
And
thank
you
very
much
appreciate
it.
I
don't
know
who
can
answer
this
question
but
I'm
concerned
about
time
and
I'd
like
to
know
how
soon
we
can
get
finished.
C
So
I
can
talk
a
little
bit,
I'm
sure
others
can
answer
the.
You
know
the
council
movement
question,
but
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
to
the
to
the
process.
C
The
the
stretch
of
time
and
a
search
to
your
point,
you
know,
is
not.
You
know
an
overnight
thing.
You
know,
but
I
I
still
think
you're,
okay
for
time
for
starting
January
2024.,
so
I
always
look
in
the
back
end.
If
that's
when
you
want
to
have
the
perfect
start,
they're
likely
coming
from
a
place
where
they
have
to
provide
a
requisite
amount
of
notice.
C
So
you're
talking
it's
not
a
two-week
thing
either.
So
it's
likely
30
days
or
something.
A
B
C
At
least
yeah
at
least
now
now
that
piece
I'm
not
sure,
though,
because
I
think
you're
going
to
want
to
discuss
so
say
you
do
hire
someone
first
day
of
January,
but
the
timing
is
such
that
they're
out
of
the
area
or
whatever
I
mean
they're,
going
to
have
a
setup
shop
somewhere.
C
First,
with
an
understanding
that
whatever
The
Residency
policy
will
be
to
speak
of
that
they,
you
know,
have
to
establish
residency
and
whatever
that,
whatever
that
says
right,
but
working
backwards,
they
would
have
to
notify
their
employer
if
they're
coming
from
someplace
else
to
have
a
30-day
window.
So
you're
in
you
know,
December
1
or
something
like
that
for
the
decision
to
you
know
to
make
the
announcement
as
your
as
your
last
time
frame
so
working
backwards
from
there.
C
C
I
don't
know
yet
so
I'm
just
kind
of
working
back
with
on
the
worst
case
last
case
scenario,
so
I
think
if
you
were
to
start
at
the
front,
it's
a
it's
a
probably
a
30-day
window
of
application
period.
That's
common
doesn't
have
to
be,
it
can
be
longer,
but
the
moment
you
put
an
ad
out,
it's
usually
about
30
days
or
so
it's
common.
So
you
have.
You
know.
First,
review
of
applications
30
days
from
whenever
you
post
the
position.
It
goes
to
a
variety
of
different
places.
C
People
see
it
and-
and
you
know,
as
as
an
executive,
Source
consultant.
That's
you
know.
The
some
of
the
meat
of
the
work
is
done
at
that
point
in
time
to
try
to
you
know
hurry.
You
know
to
have
interest
in
the
position.
I've
talked
to
people,
networks,
connections,
associations,
meetings,
visits
a
lot
of
times.
People
nowadays
are
not
looking
for
a
position
or
potentially
so
you
need
to
like
go,
find
them
and
introduce
them
to
the
opportunity
that
is
the
Ithaca
City
manager
job.
C
So
that
would
all
be
done
at
that
point
in
time
and
then
so
then
you're
looking
at
and
again
that
speaks
to
my
question
earlier.
What
is
that?
What
do
you
desire
that
to
be?
Is
it
a
search
committee
on
the
council,
but
the
entirety
of
the
council?
Isn't?
Is
the
council
reviewing
every
single
resume
as
it
comes
in
is
that
is
that
you
know
provided
to
the
search
consultant
to
to
handle
that
and
kind
of
give
you
an
ABC,
ranking
and
you're
welcome
to
do
the
B's
in
the
Seas.
C
A
You
want
to
join
us
at
the
table
all
the
time,
yeah,
George
and
others
you're,
certainly
asking
good
questions.
We
definitely
want
to
be
moving
this
along.
This
is
not
the
worst
start
in
the
process.
Whether
has
been
steps
taken.
The
physical
service
description
pulling
from
a
lot
of
different
sources.
There
was
a
2021
graph
position
description,
but
finalizing
the
position
profile
and
the
medical
position
description
is
something
that
we
need
to
be
doing
quite.
D
D
C
I
apologize,
so
a
city
or
county
manager
in
in
the
in
the
profession
likely
will
be
a
member
of
a
professional
association
of
city
and
county
managers.
There's
about
10
000
members.
It's
called
icma
International
City
County
management
association.
They
also
do
the
credentialing
program,
which
is
sort
of
like
a
certification
program
for
managers,
and
you
know
all
the
professional
development,
training,
networking
conferences,
education,
materials,
books,
Publications
all.
A
Of
those
type
of
things,
webinars,
International
city.
E
Question,
do
you
can
you
or
do
you
know
when
was
the
first
city
manager
appointed
in
New,
York,
state
or
I
I
can
Google
that.
C
Too,
oh
yeah
sure
so
the
the
the
profession
had
the
first
city
manager
I
believe
in
1914.
they
also
under
South
Carolina.
Okay,
there
was
in
New
York.
My
guess
would
be
potentially
the
city
of
New
Rochelle.
Okay,
it
would
be
my
guess,
the
newest
one,
with
the
city
of
rye
on
downstate
because
of
the
newest
City
parents,
so
but
yeah
I
mean
I,
always
had
a
city
manager
for
some
time
Batavia
this
morning,
Geneva
so
but
again,
New
York
state
is
actually
very
rare.
C
There's
one
point
on
that:
New
York
City
has
municipalities
for
War,
as
you
know.
Well,
when
we
leave
the
nation
with
Pennsylvania
and
Illinois
and
the
numbers
and
types
of
local
government
entities,
you
know
religious
panel
Special
Districts
and
that
comes
from
someone
who's
worked
for
all
that
you
know.
I
love
them
right,
but
if
you
were
in
North
Carolina,
probably
Ohio,
Virginia,
Texas
or
whatever
every
so
around
here
driving
would
have
a
town
manager.
The
village
of
Wherever
Would
have
a
village
administrator.
C
So
it's
just
we're
New
York's,
very
rare
that
they
do
not
have
a
very
strong
experience.
I
guess
in
professional
City
and
village,
town
management,
but
other
places
that
just
proliferated
and
every
single
jurisdiction
has
a
professional
administrator
like
Texas,
for
example,
638
population
Town
Ohio.
C
It's
just
odd
is
this
the
way
it
shook
out.
Probably
a
byproduct
of
New
York
historically
has
had
a
little
bit
more
political
tinge
to
it,
but
also
it's
starting
kind
of
down
in
that
area
and
sort
of
gradually
went
up
there
and
didn't
really
hit
New
York
and
the
volume
that
it
hit.
These
other
places.
D
F
Sure
George,
so
this
is
the
plan.
Civil
Service,
the
Civil
Service
Commission
is
meeting
the
first
week
in
July,
so
this
will
go
to
them
and
what
they
do
is
they
finalize
the
jar
description
and
classify
it
at
the
same
time?
F
D
F
A
Sure,
yeah
so
I
think
I
know
it's
probably
a
good
time
to
also
share
in
terms
of
timeline
going
forward,
but
I
know
a
great
Council
on
July
12
Committee
of
the
whole
intended
for
further
discussion
around
to
the
city
manager
transition
and
that
our
objective
and
recommendation
is
that
one
of
the
topics
on
that
book
called
agenda.
It's
not
the
a
review
of
a
draft
contract
for
a
city
manager
that
is
happening.
A
Charter
positions
to
support
that
context,
which
obviously
you
know
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
point
of
actually
all
right.
Somebody
we're
going
to
want
to
contract
ready
that
we
sorting
through
and
the
staff
and
Council
level.
A
A
Again,
the
contract
isn't
the
contract
doesn't
need
to
be
finalized
in
order
to
compose
the
position.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
these
are
parallel
tracks
that
I'm
described
them
as
one
track
is
identifying
candidates
that
you
know
posting
not
identifying
candidates
and
the
other
will
be
developing
an
important
contract.
A
Obviously,
those
parallel
tracks
will
eventually
have
to
be
with
a
particular
candidate
who
signed
to
pick
their
Employment
contract,
but
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
the
employment
contract
is
not
a
prerequisite
in
my
mind,
any
way:
I'm
interested
in
the
inner
Shelley
or
other
scene
differently,
but
I,
don't
believe
the
employment
contract
is
a
prerequisition
posting.
The
position,
starting
investor
agreed
with
all
of
that
I
I,
was
the
president
born
from
the
perspective
of
I.
Think
it's
well
and
good
for
them
to
discuss
this
at
that
meeting.
A
C
I
think
it
would
be
again
I
don't
want
to
overset
my
bouncer,
but
to
me
that
would
probably
be
more
of
a
consensus
me
in
the
minds
because,
as
I
explained,
it
I
already
I
mean
at
least
my
vantage
point.
When
you
have
somebody.
C
Obviously
what
the
pay
is,
but,
like
you
know,
vacation
what
the
severance
provision
speaks
to
or
what
is
like
a
few
other
things
that
maybe
performance
appraisal.
Maybe
they
just
want
to
want
to
just
make
sure
they're.
You
know
they're
good
with
that
that
they
may
sort
of
want
to
personalized
so
I.
Just
you
know,
I
meaning,
like
I've,
never
seen
a
council
approve
a
city
manager
contract
prior
to
having
a
city
major
candidate
right,
enrolled
I
think
you
would
have
a
general
consensus
framework.
C
You
kind
of
want
it
to
look
like
this,
but
if
I'm,
a
city
manager,
candidate,
I'm,
going
to
say,
okay,
if
I'm
your
person,
okay,
let's
negotiate.
Now
generally,
as
I
said,
99,
that's
probably
boilerplate,
because
there
is
a
model
back
to
your
icma
question.
There's
actually
a
model
icma
employment
agreement
out
there.
For
that
reason,
because
someone
doesn't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel
right,
so
you
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
There
might
be
a
couple
of
particulars
on
there
that
that
they're,
desirable
or
desire
desire,
myself,
I,
didn't
say.
C
Kind
of
having
having
it
going
and
but
certainly
you
don't
want
anything
to
be
Earth,
shatteringly
difficult
for
the
council
to
stomach
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
have
a
candidate
ready
to
roll
and
be
like
well
back
to
the
thing
that
we
didn't
agree
on.
I
mean
you
sort
of
want
a
general
parameters
of
approval,
but
it's
just
understanding
that
somebody
may
may
be
coming
from
a
position
where
they
have
max
amount
of
weeks
and
they
teach
them
not
the
biggest
deal
in
the
world.
I'm
just
saying,
there's
very
small
nuanced
things:
yeah.
A
And
and
understood
and
agree,
I
I
do
want
to
emphasize
the
council
that,
while
we
bring
you
for
that,
July
12
meeting
will
not
be
General
parameters.
It
will
be
nuts
and
bolts
every
last
word
of
employment
contract
and
then
those
can
be
reviewed
discussed
and
that
reflects
as
we
all
you
know
when
we
have
concluded,
is
useful
in
negotiations
of
a
particular
candidate,
but
again
to
reiterate
that
we'll
be
going
on
an
apparel
Trend
with
that
will
not
be
holding
up
our
search.
Initiate
research.
E
D
A
B
B
F
So
you
should,
you
should
provide.
I
gave
you
a
date,
sorry
to
provide
the
information.
That'll
go
back
to
civil
service
to
my
department
and
incorporate
the
changes
that
you
have
expressed
as
long
as
they
are
consistent
with
civil
service.
F
F
So
she
said
so
next
week
you
see
it.
There
will
be
this
okay,
so
I
got
one
resolution.
There
will
be
a
resolution
to
create
and
it'll
be
contingent
upon.
You
may
not
have
the
final
version
until
before
Council,
just
because
we're
trying
to
do
this
to
your
question
George
and
get
things
started.
So
we
are
there's
some
beach.
F
A
Do
it
a
little
more
time
because
two
weeks,
CA
728
yeah.
F
D
B
B
A
Did
indicate
its
desire
to
create
a
deputy
city
manager
position.
A
Where
it
sits
now,
do
we
have
any
idea
of
where
that
process
is?
A
You
know
obviously
I
think
that's
something
you
also
want
to
pay
some
very
close
attention
to
before
that
gets
finalized
through
civil
service
yeah
I.
That's
a
very
good
point.
I,
don't
think
the
ID
city
manager
is
going
to
civil
service.
We
have
the
desire
to
move
forward
with
the
city
manager,
so
we
yes
Council,
has
clearly
Express
the
interest
in
the
deputy
city
manager,
but
it's
challenging
to
build
out
a
full
position.
Description
of
that,
while
we
are
right
now
working
on
the
city
manager,.
B
Lead
role
in
residing
and
choosing
their
Deputy
city
manager,
so
I'm,
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
I
was
thinking
about
where
we
are
in
that
process.
D
C
Yeah
I,
don't
yeah.
C
This
is
what
I
don't
know
anything
about
so
I
I
I'm,
a
better
position
except
for
I,
would
agree
with
you
that
when
I
see
a
city
manager
posting
of
another
Community
nationally
at
the
same
time
of
a
deputy
city
manager,
posting
I
always
think
that's
a
little
odd.
So
I
think
that's
where
you,
the
point
you
make
I
think
is
fair
and
well
taken.
I
would
agree
with
it,
because
I
think
that
city
manager
should
have
a
little
bit
more
of
a
personalized
role
in
The
Selection
process
for
their
Deputy.
B
Okay,
is
there
a
confirmation
that
that
job
description
has
not
been
police
set
yet
or
I?
Just
don't
want
to
miss
when
that
job
description
is
finalized
and
and
have
it
missed
that
window
of
opportunity
to
provide
input
on
it.
A
On
that
well
to
Shelley's
point
I,
don't
think
Council
usually
has
a
role
in
deputy
right.
B
A
B
D
A
Seasons
presentation
is
very
important
and
I
really
do
appreciate
it.
I
do
have
two
questions:
I'll
try
one
right
now
and
then
I
will.
You
know,
come
back
to
the
second
one
after
some
more
flexible
time
to
see
in
regards
to
qualifications,
and
you
know
specific
experience,
we
can
see
manager
we're
taking
a
much
more
administrative
managerial
approach
to
the
federal
qualifications
that
we're
looking
for.
Instead
of
going
to
be
handling
the
nuts
involved,
three
aspects
of
the
executive
Administration,
essentially
for
the
city
and
I'm,
just
curious.
A
If
you
could
provide
like
types
of
you
know
practical
examples
of
Prior
professions
or
or
experiences
that
might
that
we
as
a
counselors
should
like
strive
to
sort
of
look
for
in
terms
of
specific
applicants
to
sort
of
distinguish
it
from
you
know:
complications
legislators.
C
Or
or
things
of
that
regard
sure
so
from
Street
qualifications,
usually
there's
an
education
and
an
experience
combo,
you
know
bachelor's
plus
a
longer
stretch
of
Time,
Masters,
plus
a
shorter
correction.
Time
stretch
of
time
differs
but
depending
on
where
the
civil
service
ends
up
I've
seen
him,
as
you
know,
Masters
in
in
five
to
seven
bachelors
in
five,
seven
or
ten,
something
like
that
again,
the
premise
being
that
the
degree
sort
of
counts
for
something
and
the
experience
quotient
experience.
D
C
Pathway
is
is
common,
where
I've
managed
someone's
managed
the
jurisdiction
of
a
smaller
size
is
looking
for
that
upward,
Mobility,
so
a
it
really.
So
that
would
be
a
city,
Town,
Village
or
Borough
Parish,
where
they
would
be
looking
to
get
to
a
jurisdiction
of
a
larger
side.
So
they've
got
a
CO,
c-a-o-c-o-o
CEO
type
in
a
governmental
unit.
Could
it
could
be
a
utility
district
you've
seen
a
few
of
those
could
be
some
sort
of
Public
Service
in
the
district?
C
Really,
what
I
would
be
looking
for
is
the
generalist
trades,
the
budgetary
management,
the
leadership,
the
communication,
intergovernmental
relations,
grant
writing
potentially
or
Grant
Management
Pio
work,
public
information
officer
work
all
that
type
of
stuff
that
is
generally
common
in
a
chief
administrative
officer
position
working
with
the
council
working
with
the
board,
all
that
sort
of
stuff
carrying
out
strategy
as
it's
been
identified
by
a
governing
body.
C
So
that's
probably
like
your
your
home
run,
hits
or
whatever
are
going
to
be
those
type
of
people
that
show
for
the
candidates,
but
I
don't
want
to
also
say
you're,
not
going
to
find
home
run
possibilities
on
other
outlets.
So
there
would
be
again
I'd
be
looking
for
an
individual
who
does
similarly
situated
work,
but
in
a
in
a
jurisdiction
or
a
organization.
That's
not
necessarily
a
public
sector
organization,
so
around
here
I
would
think.
C
Maybe
a
sizable
amount
of
profit
that
they
got
a
board
of
directors
they're,
advancing
the
cause
of
whatever
the
nonprofit
is:
there's
people
management,
there's,
budget
management,
there's
external
funding,
there's
public
messaging,
there's
things
like
that.
Those
are
transferable
skill
sets
and
all
they're
in
the
realm
of
what
I
would
say,
the
public
or
social
sector
higher
ed
comes
to
mind.
If
there's
a
you
know,
I
think
of
like
positions
like
VPS
of
administration
and
finance,
oftentimes,
CFO,
caos,
intergovernmental
intergovernmental
relations
officers.
I
see
a
lot
of
those.
C
It
affects
kind
of
funny.
City
managers
often
go
there
after
the
city
management
world.
So
you
know
that
there's
some
transferability:
you
see
it.
On
the
other
end,
a
lot
of
city
managers
become
VP
of
administration
of
Finance
in
other
places,
because
you're
sort
of
like
a
CEO
you're
running
that
organization
around
about
way
for
the
president
and
board,
perhaps
shorter.
C
That's
the
utility
districts
and
public
districts,
cities
and
counties
again
counties
you
know,
I
mean
a
a
good
size,
Department
director
for
a
County
government
organization,
a
deputy
County
Administrator,
even
a
County,
Administrator
manager,
private
sector,
World
I
think
you
probably
find
less
transferability,
but
there's
probably
still
some
I
mean
if
it's
a
you
know
some
sort
of
quasi-governmental
entity,
I.
Think
of
like
a
global
Development
Corporation
like
an
Ida,
a
Business,
Development
Corporation.
C
Some
of
these
ldc's
that
were
started
in
various
places
potentially
could
be.
You
know
you
got
a
board
of
directors,
it's
governmental,
there's
you're
walking.
In
the
same
you
know
it
feels
you're
talking
to
the
same
people,
sharing
the
same
networks
in
state
government.
You
know
potentially,
depending
that
on
the
role
I
think
you
know
you've
seen
some
fits
that
people
have
have
done
that
route.
C
Economic
Development
agencies
that
are
not
in
the
mix
of
what
I
just
talked
about
Public
Works
professionals.
So
back
in
the
day,
city
managers
came
from
usually
Public,
Works,
Finance
or
you
know
General
operations
and
then
maybe
Human
Resources.
So
you
know
the
department
directors
subject
matter:
experts
in
that
area
and
all
of
a
sudden
I.
You
know
I'm
going
to
take
the
leap
and
become
the
overarching,
the
manager
of
the
whole
jurisdiction,
so
that's
oftentimes,
where
they
might
come
from
so
I
hope
that
is,
along
with
everybody,
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
B
E
A
E
Had
a
pretty
pretty
much
like
too
early
in
the
day
when
I
was
realizing,
I
had
to
come
to
this
meeting
stuff
like
that
I
I,
I
started
thinking
about
a
lot
of
things
here.
I
go
y'all,
but
anything.
You
know
this
is
scary
moment
for
the
city
and
also
to
steering
is
a
scary
moment
for
me,
but
as
I
sit
here,
I'm
getting
more
and
more
excited
right,
because
not
only
but
there's
so
much
change
happening
right,
and
so
this
is
a
really
exciting
time
for
us.
E
So
thank
you
for
all
of
what
you
brought.
Thank
you,
Shelly
and
just
just
overall
I'm,
just
feeling
real
excited.
We
may
have
a
new
bunch
of
10
people
except
me,
I
know,
but
what
I
do
know
is
that
this
is
really
really
an
exciting
time
like
this
really
is
mocking
a
history
point.
My
name
will
be
Indian
well,
what
what
are
Williams
saying
is
we're
losing
a
lot
of
staff
that
has
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time
we're
getting
a
lot
of
new
individuals,
city
manager,
Deputy
manager.
E
All
these
different
things
so
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
getting
excited
I
might
get
a
little
more
nervous
at
home
beforehand,
but
anyway,
that's
just
my
Lewisville
I
think
we
have
a
a
time
in
history.
That
might
mean
a
really
lot
to
the
city.
A
And
you
know
it
reminded
me
of
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
sort
of
leaned
on
a
little
bit
two
years
ago,
when
we
first
started.
A
These
conversations
was
that
there
was
this
professional
association
that
had
a
wealth
of
resources
about
about
how
it
could
help
us
understand
the
value
of
moving
to
a
model
like
this
and
and
I'm
appreciative
of
the
question
about
you
know
what
are
those:
where
are
the
places
we
could
be
looking
for,
someone
that
would
bring
the
right
set
of
things
to
us
and,
and
so
I'm
I'm
also
wondering
how
important
that
I
guess
certification?
Is
it
a
certification
that
you
get
from
your
icma?
A
C
D
C
Has
gone
down
the
road
of
attaining
certification
status
and
getting
the
credentialing,
it
speaks
a
touch
more
I
think
to
their
experience
and
and
education
and
professional
development,
and
probably
where
you're
going
to
find
the
fit.
But
it's
also
not
an
lbo
I
mean
I
would
I
would
certainly
not
dismiss
somebody
you
guys
have
done.
You
know,
because
really
it's
experience
based
with
a
A
Touch
of
and
it's
not
really
an
assessment,
but
a
self-assessment
and
it's
a
commitment
to
professional
development
and
it's
a
commitment
to
the
profession.
C
So
it's
something
you
know,
but
I
wouldn't
go
so
far
as
to
say
it's
I
would
say
the
small
separator
I
think
if
you
have
someone
that
comes
into
the
position,
who's
not
involved
with
icma
or
is
not
a
credential
manager.
I
think
that
it
would
be
a
totally
fair
game.
C
You
know
a
conversation
to
say
that
you
know
say
the
council,
we
believe
in
the
profession
and
we
want
you
to
develop
professionally,
and
we
would
encourage
you
to
seek
out
your
credential
status
because
we
think
it
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
organization
as
well,
which
is
really
important.
I
mean
it
should,
if
you
develop
professionally
you're
a
city
New
Hampshire
you're,
a
representative
of
the
city
council,
so
you
should
be.
You
know
the
city
should
really
have
that
kind
of
intersection
of
of
a
collaborative
environmental
support
about
I.
A
You
know
my
last
question
is
earlier
in
the
presentation
regarding
over
something
advisory.
This
is
I
think
was
one
of
the
key
sort
of
concerns.
A
lot
of
folks.
C
A
Regarding
the
city
manager
in
regards
to,
like
you
know
a
pointed
by
the
council,
and
where
do
we,
how
do
we
sort
of
draw
the
lines
between
political
activity,
engagement
versus
you
know,
administrative,
taking
this
stuff
on
and
modeling
a
directional
counsel?
And
what
have
you
and,
of
course
we
know
that,
there's
the
nuclear
option
essentially
of
like
if
you're
not
you,
know,
content
with
what
the
scene
injury
is
doing.
We
can
replace
that
individual.
A
But
again
you
sort
of
touched
on
it
with
some
ideas
and
I
appreciated
that,
but
just
more
insights
into
how
you
could
advise
us
and
how
we
would
handle
navigating
the
situation
of
you
know
the
city
manager
is
going
to
come
to
us
with
the
device
and
the
ideas
for
how
we're
going
to
handle
sort
of
Voters
policies
or
just
legislative
agendas
or
initiatives.
A
C
There
yeah
I
do
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
setting
expectations,
I
think
it's
communication,
I
think
is
regular,
so
meetings,
whether
it's
a
representative
counsel
like
the
mayor
or
something
like
that-
that's
that's
supposed
to
be
taking
some
feedback
in
so,
for
example,
if
someone's
ever
going
to
get
terminated
from
employment
in
the
city
manager,
it
shouldn't
come
as
a
surprise
if
they're
going
to
be
likewise,
you
know
recognizing
the
audience
for
some
incredible
effort.
Likewise,
it
shouldn't
come
as
a
surprise,
because
there
should
be
this
regular
involvement.
C
This
regular
interaction,
this
regular,
you
know
style
and.
D
C
Meetings
so
I
think
that
would
be
certainly
the
good
expectations
that
somebody
comes
in.
They
know
the
profession.
C
They
should
know
that
there
are
times
when
you
disagree
with
the
movement,
the
foot
of
what
the
council
wants
to
do
like
maybe
on
some
policy
position
statement
or
something
like
that
or
some
Endeavor
that
you
think
is
really
going
to
be
a
fiscal
issue
or
something
like
that
long
term.
You
know-
maybe
potentially
maybe
potentially
you
know
a
Personnel
decision
that
you
support
in
one
way
that
the
council,
you
know
from
a
budgetary
amount
of
perspective.
You
know
this
is
the
the
crude
expression.
This
is
the
way
the
mop
flops.
C
You
know,
and
this
is
what
you're
going
to
have
to
do
and
you
have
to
live
with
it.
You're
going
to
work
around
it.
I
think
people
should
know
that
coming
in
that
that's
an
expectation
of
the
job
and
you're.
Really
just
navigating
around
that
I
think
you
heard
of
hearing
the
thing
communication
I
mean
it's
I'm
not
trying
to
be
one-on-one
it,
but
I
mean
that's
really
what
it's
a
mild
to
regular,
regular
communication.
So
hey
here's
going
well!
C
I've
heard
stops
start
and
let's
say
you
know
so:
here's
what
you
should
be
starving,
eight
years,
which
you
can
stop
and
here's
what
you
should
you
know
recognize
it.
Aren't
you
see
that
in
some
performance,
appraisals,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea
for
Council,
especially
because
this
is
a
new
position.
You
know
you
wanted
to
succeed.
So
how
do
you
have
success?
They
have
to
know
what
they're
walking
into
they
have
to
know.
Reading
the
room
they
shouldn't
have
to
sort
of
infer
like
they
kind
of
looked
at
me.
C
B
A
And
I
have
a
I'm
just
thinking
ahead
along
our
timeline,
with
our
goal
of
having
a
city
manager
in
place
by
January,
1.
and
so
I
know,
I'm
skipping
some
steps.
But
these
are
just
a
couple
of
questions
that
have
come
to
me
and
thinking
about
that
timeline
and-
and
one
is,
is
maybe
just
helping
me
with
some
confidence.
You
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting
that
there's
a
certain
sense
of
attractiveness
of
this
role
and
our
ability
to
find
a
really
well
qualified
candidate
joke
aside.
A
You
know
the
fact
that
there's
a
new
position
might
have
some
attraction
right.
The
fact
that
it's
Ithaca
has
a
reputation,
positive
I
I
think
is
whether
you're
implying,
but
also
the
fact
that
any
negative
aspects
can
be
seen
as
a
professional
Challenge,
and
some
people
who
were
Professionals
in
this
field
will
kind
of
thrive
on
that.
A
So
so
I'm
really
hopeful
that,
given
the
sort
of
national
context
of
this
Professional
Organization,
that
creates
a
lot
of
resources
and
connections
and
networks
for
people
that
we
really
will
be
able
to
draw
from
a
large
National
Pool
of
people
who
would
find
this
attractive
and
bring
the
qualifications
that
we're
interested
in
but
I
but
I'm
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
you
like
prepare
us
right.
A
What
should
we
prepare
be
prepared
for
yeah
and
because
you
also
noted
that
you
know
since
the
great
whatever
you
know,
it's
been
a
challenge
to
fill
some
of
these
roles,
so
I
I'd,
love
to
you
know,
get
a
sense
of
what
that
is,
and,
and
also
maybe
a
sense
of
you
know
what
is
it
about
New
York
state?
Is
there
something
that
attracts
more
or
less
or
should
we
should
we
be
happy
that
we
get
people
from
New,
York
or
yeah
a
little
bit
more
happier.
D
C
Yeah
I
would
say
that,
because
back
to
my
comment
about
the
professional,
the
level
and
type
and
amount
of
Professional
Management
that
exists
in
New,
York,
comparatively
to
other
states
is
low.
C
So
therefore,
in
a
candidate
pool,
you
might
not
expect
to
have
a
common
candidate,
so
never
even
know
you're
in
New
York,
because
there's
not
a
lot
of
Deputy
city
managers
and
assistant
city
managers
that
want
to
take
a
leap
because
there's
just
not
that
many
cities
in
in
Jersey
because
of
that
size
that
have
that
position,
so
I
I
do
think
through
icma,
the
national
league
of
cities,
Public
Service
careers,
a
group
called
elgl,
which
is
engaging
local
government
leaders
NLC
even
the
National
Association
of
counties,
the
New
York
State
Conference
of
Mayors.
C
All
those
Outlets
are
where
you
want
to
get
you
to
to
find
your
prospective
communities
when
I
think
of
New
York
I,
think
you
know,
the
pluses
are
New
York
experience,
so
the
Taylor
law
I
mean
so
we
know
local
government,
our
Labor
Relations,
there's,
there's
only
some
really
specificity
with
how
we
have
to
operate
in
New,
York,
General,
Municipal
laws.
Things
like
that.
You
can
learn
it.
People
come
from
out
of
state
and
are
wildly
successful.
C
So
that's
not
you
know
you
don't
get
hamstrung
because
you're
not,
but
you
know,
you're
up
you're
up
against
people
that
might
have
already
taught
experience
it's
only
half
of
them.
They
walk.
They
walk
right
into
that.
You
know
they
know
the
governor
and,
and
they
know
the
relationships.
They
know
the
regional
councils,
they
know
grants
and
they
know
those
type
of
nuances.
I
think
that's
a
plus
for
somebody.
C
It
really
is
all
things
being
equal,
New,
York,
State
experience
period
is
a
plus
I
think
coming
to
New
York
from
out
of
state.
You
know
pitfalls.
I
guess
you
could
say
you
know
there
are
some
I
mean
there
could
be
crosstalk
living
is
a
concern
for
people,
although
the
housing
sack,
even
though
it's
been
rising,
is
still
likely
lower
than
a
lot
of
other
places,
because
New
York
State
as
a
whole
traditionally
has
said,
lower
housing
stock
prices.
C
You
know,
although
of
course,
have
risen
with
assessed
values
and
the
growth
patterns,
and
things
like
that
property
taxes,
I,
don't
think,
really
is
going
to
be
an
impact
for
anybody,
whether
either
coming
to
New
York
I
mean
they.
You
know
they
got
to
understand.
They're
going
to
have
you
know
some
other
stuff,
I
think
your
attractive
components
are
higher
ed.
C
The
no-name
brand
of
Ithaca
I
think
people
may
be
attracted
to
work
in
the
community
with
kind
of
a
different
type
of
socioeconomic.
Maybe
social
justice
lines
want
me
to
somebody
say
that,
because
not
every
not
every
place
is
going
to
be
that
type
of
mindset
from
a
governance
body.
Then
then
this
place
is
so
that
will
be
potentially
attractive
to
your
point
to
Counterpoint
it
could
be
a
detraction.
You
know,
people
right
I
mean
so,
let's
be
honest,
right
I
think
you
know
they
will
be
if
they
get
into
weeds.
C
I
would
want
to
have
someone
roll
up
their
sleeves
into
the
challenges,
but
I
will
say:
there's
a
Counterpoint
to
that
somebody
might
say:
look
there's
a
little
bit
there.
I'd
have
to
kind
of
get
involved
with
position.
Hires
and
police
performance
implication
that
they
may
want
to
not
want
to
jump
right
into,
but
I
think
of
places
that
are
a
good
sized
cities
that
are
progressive
cities
and
towns
and
Villages
across
really
the
nation
I
think
that
would
be
your
if
I'm
like
this
and
I'm
going.
C
Oh
yeah,
that
that's
the
that's
a
good
candidate
pool
out
there.
That
I
think
would
be
attracted
to
a
place
like
this
myself,
in
addition
to
your
New
York
people,
in
addition
to
your
people,
that
may
be
in
Ithaca
that
in
those
areas
that
you're
talking
about
that,
are
that
know
the
city
knowing
area
but
are
in
a
city
or
Deputy
or
County
Rancher,
but
just
want
to
work
and
serve
Republic.
C
D
D
A
All
right,
yeah,
I'm,
just
gonna,
ask
sort
of
what
your
personal
approach
is
to
recruiting.
I'm
gonna,
recruiting
myself
and
I
can
make
phone
calls
all
day
long.
So
I'm
curious,
you
know,
is
that
going
to
be
you're
going
to
post
this
job
and
then
presumably
receive
the
applications.
But
you
also
mentioned
that
you
want
to
put
it
in
front
of
people.
A
You
want
to
make
people
who
are
in
those
candidate
pools
that
you
say
you
know
sort
of
Target
as
ideal
to
go
after
them
directly
I
see
an
opportunity
there
to
for
the
city
officials
to
actually
help
out.
In
that
regard,
you
know,
potentially
the
American
Bank
jump
on
a
call
with
you.
If
you've
highlighted
a
list
of
people
would
be
ideal
for
this
job,
and
you
just
want
them
to
consider
it
a
personal
phone
call.
C
Candidates,
so
just
as
far
as
approach
goes,
I
I
haven't
seen
that
dog,
but
it's
not
saying
it's
a
bad
or
a
good
idea.
I
have
seen
a
couple
times
where
the
chief
elected
would
would
actually
put
out
a
little
video
about
the
opportunity.
C
I've
seen
that
a
little
bit
lately
in
recruitment
brochures
and
profiles
like
where
the
you
know,
they're
talking
about
the
opportunity
on
behalf
of
what
will
be
the
employer,
you
know
that
lead
elected
official
representative
will
be
the
governing
body
that
this
person
works
for
and
they
kind
of
speak
today.
Here's
the
opportunity,
you
know,
hey,
introduce
yourself,
here's
who
I
am
here's,
you
can
here's
what
you
can
expect
and
we're
a
great
Council
we're
working
on
these
various
things.
Do
you
want
to
be?
We
want
you
to
be
part
of
it.
C
I
think
that
kind
of
welcoming
nature
is
is
new
still,
frankly,
the
lots
of
old
school
stuff
going
on,
but
what
I
would
be
doing
is
certainly
LinkedIn
has
become
a
go-to
stopper
before
you
I'm
sure
you
know
that's
at
the
end,
I'll
be
off,
but
it's
a
go-to
spot.
All
those
associations
have
Gap
boards,
but
they
have
more
importantly,
Boards
of
directors.
They
have
executive
directors,
they
have
people
in
the
know.
C
C
Okay,
who,
who
might
be
a
good
fit
I
happen
to
do
a
lot
of
involvement
on
the
national
Circle,
so
I
would
go
to
places
like
Ohio,
Colorado
and
North
Carolina
and
Virginia
in
addition
to
New,
York
and
I'd,
be
seeking
out
neithers
in
those
places
and
being
like
hey
here's
what
you
got
here.
You
got
a
city,
here's
population,
there's
the
dynamic
here's
the
profile.
Do
you
know
anybody?
You
know
that
would
do
and
then
I
would
probably
be
reaching
out
to
some
of
those
people.
C
C
Usually
it's
like
look
I've
taken
a
look
at
your
skill
sets
and
you
know
you
might
be.
You
might
be
a
a
good
thing
right
because.
C
Know
yet
you
have
a
conversation
and
you
kind
of
almost
crave
at
them.
A
little
bit
encourage
an
application
because
that'll
get
the
ball
rolling,
encourage
an
expression
of
Interest
the
resume
hey.
Do
some
research
do
a
deep
dive?
It
may
not
be
a
fit
for
you
know
your
family
may
be
here,
your
your
spouse
partner
job,
maybe
may
not
be
a
good
fit
for
you,
but
and
then
it's
then
it's
a
regular
poster.
That's
on
the
City
website.
C
It's
on
a
Workforce
Development
board.
It's
on
the
New
York
state
board.
It's
on
in
the
you
get
a
lot
of,
not
so
hot
stuff
coming
from.
Indeed,
at
least
that's
my
bad
experiences.
So
when
you
did
a
quick,
quick
and
you
know
apply,
so
you
want
to
be
probably
more
curated
about
that,
but
that's
generally
what.
A
My
other
question,
though,
is
just
how
many
candidates
would
you
you
know
want
to
Garner
here
before
we
really
receive
the
next
steps
and
what
what's
your
ideal
number.
C
Okay,
I
mean
I.
Think
in
the
2025
will
be
a
good
number.
You
know,
10
to
15
might
be
well,
I
mean
really
a
joke.
Is
it
all?
It
only
takes
one
the
only
one.
C
Now
again
that
would
be
maybe
idealistic
given
you
know
where
things
are
I.
The
last
couple
ones
I've
involved
with
on
the
county
side
and
the
city
Side
yielded
north
of
20..
I
would
say
you
know
of
that
group.
C
It's
you
know
sometimes
less
than
10.
That
are
like
a
really
good
credible.
You
know
perceived
to
be
good
people
and
I,
don't
want
to.
You
know,
eat
my
words
to
your
point,
but
I
I,
do
you
know
all
things
being
equal
and
other
places
I'm
involved
with
it
I
think
it's
got
a
little
bit
more
going
for
it
in
terms
of
that
National
Review
that
other
places
don't
have
the
same
size
in
the
same
budget
in
the
same
place
in
New
York.
A
Kind
of
following
up
on
Jeff's
point
because
to
your
earlier
comment:
it
is
a
very
tight
labor
market
right
now
right
would
we
have
and
the
more
I
think
about
this.
The
more
I
think
it's
probably
a
shot
of
question.
Sorry,
but
do
we
have
the
authority
her,
like
Civil
Service
law
and
all
that
stuff
to
extend
you
recommend
to
be
in
about
30
days
or
like
a
30-day
opening
for
posting
to
let
candidates
for
the
light
in
if.
D
C
That's
a
great
question:
I
should
have
said
this
so
the
way
I
it
may
not
even
be
you
know
something
that's
prescribed
per
se,
but
what
I've
done
is
the
rule,
which
I
think
is
important.
I
said
that
you
know:
first,
review
of
the
application
is
going
to
be
so
because
you
also
don't
like
all
of
a
sudden
I,
just
Discover
it
and
you're
at
day,
33
and
I'm,
a
Rockstar
candidate.
Now
I,
don't
want
to
talk
on
both
sides
of
my
mouth.
C
You
don't
ever
want
to
get
a
situation
of
a
really
good,
solid
candidate.
You've
got
to
restrict
deadline,
comes
after,
and
also
you
got
this
tomorrow,
night
Council
on
politics,
and
maybe
they
know
somebody
and
you're
like
oh,
my
gosh.
What
are
we
gonna
do
a
business.
This
is
a
great
application,
but
it
came
in
two
days
late,
where
we
said:
there's
a
deadline
right,
I,
just
don't
want
to
have
you
get
down
that
road?
No.
F
C
F
C
Actually,
a
good
wrinkle,
because
I
think
that
is,
it
gets
at
a
question
that
you're
going
to
get
anyways
and
you
might
as
well
get
out
in
front
of
that.
You
know
it
speaks
to
your
timeline.
It
speaks
to
your
process.
It
speaks
to
your
hopes,
forward
things:
hey
man,
if
I'm
going
to
apply
them,
I
think
I'm,
an
older
candidate
I'm
playing
them
for
that
day,
because
and
they're
letting
me
know
that
that's
probably
going
to
be
the
date.
C
C
Money
is
in
the
nlbr
candidates,
but
I
think
it's
a
small
separator
in
terms
of
what
you
might
get
if
you're
out
there
at
a
certain
rate
of
pay
and
versus
where
you
would
have
to
be
and
I
have
no
idea
if
you've
talked
about
that
or
what
that
might
look
like
internal
Equity
is
is
something
that
you
want
to
factor
in.
C
You
know:
what's
your
highest
level,
the
partner
person
make
and
do
you
want
to
make
this
person
pay
less
or
more
than
that
I
mean
nine
times
out
of
ten.
It's
city
manager
with
the
operational
responsibilities
and
expectations
is
usually
the
highest
paid
individual
appointee
of
the
city
or
the
county.
So
give
that
some
thought
and
and
don't
shortcut
either
I
mean
I,
think
you
know
don't
triple
reporters
and
pick
up
pennies.
C
You
know
I
I,
think
it's
I,
think
it's
a
an
important
job
that
you
don't
want
to.
You
know
swinging
this
on.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
dollars
inside.
A
A
E
I
have
a
question
because,
when
I
look
at,
you
know
trying
to
get
City
it
teachers
of
color
to
come
up
and
even
apply
for
positions
here.
E
So
you
know:
I
have
a
strong
need
of
wanting
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
black
and
brown
candidates
to
choose
from
and
I
know
when
attracting
people
to
this
community
many
times
I'll
have
have
there
been
any
thinking
going
in
around
that,
because
it's
real
important
that
we
also
have
them
to
feel
excited
about
coming
to
work
here
right
in
in
that
I
and
and
I
still
think
about
what
happened
with
the
chief
of
police
right.
So
how
do
we?
C
Yeah
I
can
speak
to
that
well,
at
least
in
the
role
that
I
would
play.
So
one
of
those
entities
that
I
did
not
reference
is
there's
actually
two
entities
that
that
serve
as
conduits
to
try
to
get
people
of
color
interested
in
the
profession,
aware
of
professional
opportunities
and
on
the
career
track
of
local
government
management.
So
one
is
a
national
for
nfpba,
a
national
reform
for
black
public
administrators.
The
other
one
is
the
lghn,
which
is
so
I
have
connections
and
Equity
mobile
places.
C
With
hbcus
and
MPA
programs.
D
C
I
teach
at
North
Carolina
Central,
which
is
a
HBCU,
the
hbcus
there's
about
six
of
or
ten
of
them
that
have
an
icma
Student
Chapter,
so
they
have
icma
Student
Chapter
alumni
and
who
then
are
stay
involved.
So
I've
made
it
a
point
to
make
Outreach
of
that
there's
a
non-executive
search
level.
I
do
a
lot
of
that
anyways
because
congression
is
is
looks
a
lot
like
me.
You
know
probably
a
little
bit
older
and
that's
kind
of
your
stereotypical,
City,
County
Manager.
C
Quite
frankly,
right
so
I
think
that
the
profession
as
a
whole
has
worked
to
do
with
respect
to
that.
But
I
always
say
the
profession
doesn't
hire
themselves.
D
C
C
It
is
making
maybe
underrepresented
in
the
profession
communities
aware
of
an
opportunity
where
I'm
involved
in
it,
so
I
do
that
with
my
consultant
had
and
then
just
my
practitioner
had
you
know
I
personally
made
a
point
to
try
to
you
know:
I
set
up
scholarships
I,
you
know
I
have
a
mentorship
program
of
for
those
particular
communities,
so
they
would
be
introduced
to
the
profession
period.
C
F
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you,
Ian
for
taking
this
time
with
us
tonight,
very
productive
presentation,
very
productive
conversation.
Questions
from
Council
I
too,
am
very
excited
about
this
opportunity
on
this
channel
to
see
me
here
and
say
that
there
are
opportunities
and
there
are
challenges.
But
this
is
a
pretty
exciting
time
for.
A
The
students
we
are
excited
about
moving
forwards
change
in
our
city
government.
That
will
be.
A
For
our
community
for
our
city,
our
taxpayers,
for
our
residents
as
a
whole,
so
we
will
look
forward
to
Future
conversations
with
Ian.
There
will
be
engagement
of
council
as
we
move
forward.
July
12th
is
a
next
Committee
of
the
whole
meeting.
There
will
be
a
draft
of
the
shared
with
Council
prior
to
that,
but
it's
definitely
forward
moment
and
tonight
is
a
good
good
step
in
the
whole
environment.
So
any
closing
comments.
C
No,
no
great
dialogue,
pre-discussion
took
a
lot
of
notes
and
thank
you
all
for
what
you
do.
You
know
for
the
city
and
thanks
for
your
comments
for
purpose
of
this
discussion.
Thank.