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A
Awesome,
thank
you,
julie
and
good
evening.
Everyone
welcome
to
a
special
committee.
The
whole
meeting
really
appreciate
everybody
on
council
taking
the
time
to
have
this
special
working
sessions
scheduled
to
last
until
7
30..
This
is,
of
course,
different
than
a
common
council
meeting.
Even
though
there's
all
10
of
us
community
home
meetings
are
intended
to
give
council
the
space
and
time
to
work
through
particularly
trying
issues
or
complex
issues.
It
seemed
necessary
to
add
one
this
month.
A
As
you
know,
last
month
was
our
common
council
meeting
where
we
had
a
public
comment
period
march.
24Th
is
the
city
administration
committee,
where
we
can
dig
even
deeper
into
the
report
and
recommendations,
then
the
march
31st
meeting
of
common
council,
which
is
another
opportunity
to
hear
public
feedback
and
for
council
to
consider
changes
or
amendments
to
the
report.
A
We're
also
looking
to
add,
we'll
discuss
more
tonight,
the
logistics
of
it,
but
looking
to
add
another
meeting
tuesday
night
next
tuesday
night,
particularly
because
some
folks
thought
there
would
be
a
public
hearing
tonight,
they're
prepared
to
speak.
We
want
to
give
them
an
opportunity
to
do
that.
So
my
added
public
hearing
next
tuesday
that
we'll
discuss
don't
want
to
conflict
with
the
county
and
yes,
then
there
are,
of
course,
a
ton
of
other
opportunities
to
share
your
feedback
and
your
input.
A
A
A
So
our
feeling
with
our
partners
with
the
county
was
to
to
simplify
to
actually
break
it
down
to
just
have
the
actual
recommendations
themselves
without
supporting
materials
make
up
the
resolution.
That's
the
resolution
that
I
sent
to
council
today
to
to
kick
off
the
discussion
of
course
free
this.
This
is,
you
know,
council's
resolution
at
this
point,
so
you're
free
to
amend
change,
turn
completely
upside
down,
but
you'll
see
the
way
we
structured.
It
was
in
order
to
help
council
make
the
resolution
their
own,
and
the
legislature
make
the
resolution
on.
A
There
are
two
buckets
of
recommendations
and,
in
the
first
bucket
you'll,
see
the
joint
recommendations.
All
of
the
things
that
were
recommended
in
the
report
jointly
an
incomplete
list
is
the
evaluating
existing
models
and
implement
an
alternative
to
law
enforcement
response
or
collect
the
results
of
officer-initiated
traffic
enforcement,
identify
new
curriculum
redesign
and
implement
culturally
responsive
training,
develop
a
community,
a
comprehensive
community
healing
plan.
Those
recommendations
were
included
as
joint,
then
in
the
next
results.
A
The
current
contract
would
port
over
their
current
union
would
port
over
and
all
of
their
positions.
Titles
they
were
officers.
They
would
continue
to
be
officers
they're
sergeants.
There
would
be
whatever
the
equivalent
of
sergeants
were,
that
includes
their
their
pay
and
their
benefits,
so
those
were
included
as
results,
because
council
really
made
it
clear
and
after
hearing
from
the
officers,
that
was
a
big
concern
that
that
was
a
big
fear
is
that
we
would
lose
all
of
our
excellent
officers
in
any
transition,
and
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
A
So
the
result
would
make
that
clear.
That
was
that
the
king
off
point,
we
know
that
there's
obviously
still
gonna
be
a
ton
of
questions,
which
is
good,
that
we
have
a
few
more
meetings
to
keep
discussing
this.
The
staff
have
been
working
hard
to
put
out
an
faq
a
frequently
asked
questions
document
that
I
believe
will
go
out
soon.
Dnf.
It
didn't
already
go
out
this
afternoon,
it's
possible
when
it's
afternoon.
C
Hoping
this
evening
or
tomorrow
morning,.
A
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you
thank
you,
which
should
help
the
public
keep
up
with
some
of
these
fast
moving
discussions
and
changing
the
the
changing
interpretations
of
the
report,
but
should
make
clear
that
the
officers
will
retain
their
jobs,
their
job
titles
and
all
their
union
protections.
A
Maybe
I
could
do
a
complete
round
up
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
so
I
don't
have
to
take
up
any
more
time,
but
we
also
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
were.
We
have
been
working
hard
on
budget
estimates
and-
and
they
really
are
rough
estimates
for
much
of
this
stuff.
But
we
wanted
council
in
the
legislature
to
have
a
picture
of
of
what
can
be
envisioned,
and
so
we
hope
to
get
that
to
you
too.
In
the
next
couple
days.
E
Laura
thank
you
mayor,
I'd
like
to
add
my
thanks
to
everyone
who
worked
on
this
proposal.
There's
been
hundreds
of
hours,
perhaps
thousands
of
hours
that
have
gone
into
this,
and
so
I
personally
would
like
to
express
a
great
deal
of
gratitude
for
everyone
who
worked
on
it.
E
It's
very
clear
that
we
cannot
do
nothing.
I
understand
that
the
proposal
is
a
living
document
and
that
there
will
be
new
information
and
revisions
as
we
go
through.
Actually,
the
implementation
phase,
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
we
will
have
some
budget
information
coming.
Did
you
say
within
a
few
days
or
weeks.
A
Days
so
that
I
sworn
that
it's
you
know
very
preliminary
and
sketch
dominic
and
jason.
That's
right
what
we
expect
in
the
next
couple
days
right.
D
Yes,
that
is
correct.
We
have
estimates
with
the
under
the
premise
of
city
and
county
would
share
expenditures,
50
50.,
but
again
again
as
a
living
breathing
document
as
things
change
or
they
adjust,
we
would
modify
things
accordingly,
then
also,
we
fully
expect
that
there
will
be
things
that
you
would
like
us
to
add
to
or
subtract,
and
so
and
within
that
we
hope
I
would
hope
tomorrow.
D
You
know,
if
that's
fair,
to
send
that
out
and
then
look
forward
to
receiving
your
feedback
and
we'll
continue
to
modify
and
we'd
like
to
also
thank
you
thank
shelley
for
her
work
on
this
as
well.
E
Could
I
just
ask
we've
received
this
resolution
from
the
mayor
today
will
and
that
is
on
our
city
website?
Will
there
be
a
similar
resolution
shared
from
the
county.
F
Yes,
yes,
I
know
the
county
legislature
has
a
very
similar
resolution,
with
the
exception
of
the
city
initiatives,
I
think,
versus
the
county
initiatives,
the
county
only
ones
being
being
replaced
in
there.
So
it's
a
very
similar
format,
acknowledging
and
recognizing
the
joint
the
joint
recommendations
as
well.
F
Yes,
I
think
it's
today
the
10th
so
next
week
they
have
their
first
public
safety
committee
meeting,
but
once
it's
circulated
I'll
make
sure
it's
forwarded
to
the
coming
house.
Thank
you.
D
We
also
received
an
email
from
cynthia
as
well.
I
wanted
to
elevate
that
as
well
regarding
the
feedback
that
we
received
from
the
community
and
so
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
aggregate
all
the
information
and
to
put
together
a
memo
to
send
that
out
to
you
all
as
well,
because
I
think
I
believe,
cynthia
who
sent
an
email
earlier
today
to
jason
and
myself,
and
so
we
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
we
received
that
as
well
and
we're
getting
that
to
you
shortly.
So
thank
you.
H
You,
mr
mayor,
I'll,
join
laura
in
again
appreciating
the
work
that
not
only
went
into
this
whole
effort,
but
also
the
resolution
that
was
sent
around
earlier
today.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
compare
this
to
the
report,
but
I
can
I
can
count,
and
I
see
that
there
are
the
number
of
kind
of
proposals.
I
think
it's
is
it
16
now
and
there
were
19
in
the
original
kind
of
report.
H
Could
you
possibly
for
my
benefit,
just
summarize
what
was
either
condensed
or
what
was
changed
between
the
two
recommended
list
of
recommendations.
A
Only
recommendations,
oh
okay,
vote
on
the
joint
recommendations,
so
there
were
three
recommendations
that
were
county
only
in
fact,
in
fact,
slight
amendment
to
that
there
used
to
be
four
recommendations
that
were
county
only,
but
we
figured
talking
to
the
leadership
team
with
the
reimagining
that
the
one
about
assessing
analyzing
traffic
stop
data
could
be
a
joint
one
as
well
that
there
was
no
reason
that
the
city
would
not
want
to
do
that,
as
well
as
the
county.
I
Hi
everyone.
I
have
a
minor
suggestion
for
an
edit
on
one
of
the
joint
county
and
city
proposals
that
says,
conduct
a
review
of
swat
call
outs,
etc,
etc.
I
I
think
it
would
be
more
accurate
if
we
conducted
a
review
of
synth,
c-I-n-t
and
swat
call
outs.
The
critical
incident
I
forgot,
what
nt
sound
stands
for,
but
those
dating
team?
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Donna.
B
I
I
sent
around
a
lot
of
comments
that
I
had
worked
on
over
the
past
couple
of
weeks.
I
have
major
objections
to
number
one
as
it's
written,
I'm
sure
that
will
come
up
later
in
conversation.
B
I
I
don't
understand
why
13
and
14
are
written
the
way
they
are,
they
seem
to
be
backwards.
It
seems
to
me
that
you
would
conduct
a
review
of
call
outs
and
then
decide
how
to
redeploy
redeploy.
The
truck
99,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
B
I
also
think
that
number
four
should
simply
be
part
of
number
seven.
I
mean
because
traffic
stop
data
is
a
really
important
kind
of
data
and
number
seven
deals
with
all
kinds
of
data
and
analysis.
So
I
think
number
four
should
be
part
of
number
seven
and
we
should
include
the
analysis
of
city
data
in
that,
and
I
don't
understand
why
the
city
is
not
included
in
number
three
it.
So
it
number
two
and
number
three
are
somewhat
redundant
to
number
one
for
the
city,
but
that's
okay.
B
I
think
that
the
city
should
be
included
in
number
three,
and
I
have
some
other
comments
about
tightening
up
the
wording
a
little
bit,
but
I
won't
waste
time
on
that
so
other
than
my
comments
on
number
one.
I
think
those
are
significant.
Those
are
significant
modifications.
I'd
also
like
to
make.
H
B
A
You
have
to
merge
three
and
seven,
sorry,
not
three
and
seven.
I
I
already
have
lost
the
numbers,
but
you're.
B
A
Number
three:
why
is
the
city
not
listed
as
number
three?
Maybe
I
I
might
call
on
jason
to
to
talk
about
why
the
the
county's
experience
working
with
a
myriad
of
of
mental
health
agencies
and
social
services
might
see.
I
caught
jason
eating
dinner.
How
dare
you
might
make
them
best
suited
to
be
the
lead
on
on
number
three.
F
Sure
I
can,
I
can
talk
about
that's
the
alternative
response
model,
so
so
I
mean,
through
a
lot
of
the
feedback
that
we
received.
There
was
a
continual
both
I
think,
from
focus
groups
that
it
also
involved
law
enforcement.
There
was
a
lot
of
issue
and
concern
around
you.
Know:
law
enforcement
responding
to
a
lot
of
different
calls,
a
lot
of
them
not
necessarily
be
being
in
the
realm
of
of
law
enforcement,
and
you
know,
through
those
discussions
we
identified
that
you
know,
particularly
when
we
talk
about
crisis
response.
F
We
talk
about
mental
health
response,
sometimes
there's
a
better
opportunity
or
option
to
have
a
better
type
of
response
if
it's
a
non-law
enforcement
or
unarmed
individual.
So
we
started
to
look
at
these
different
alternative
response
models
of
the
cahoots
model,
which
is
out
of
eugene
oregon,
really
started
to
resonate
as
to
being
able
to
provide
an
unarmed
response
for
crisis
response
for
mental
health
response
and
also
provide
some
level
of
additional
health
and
human
service
social
service
wraparound
service.
F
So
that's
really
where
the
alternative
response
model
came
from
and
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
details
as
to
how
you
dispatch
resources
adequately
and
sufficiently
so
that
you
aren't
sending
individuals
into
harmony
and
that
then
it
doesn't
doesn't
go
without
saying
that
this
type
of
alternative
response
may
also
be
done
in
in
co-response
with
law
enforcement
doesn't
mean
that
it's
also
always
going
to
be
replacing
or
supplanting
law
enforcement.
From
doing
this,
the
future,
because,
as
we
know,
many
instances,
there
needs
to
be
safety
and
there
needs
to
be
ensure
safety
of
the
individual.
F
That's
making
the
call
and
or
individuals
making
a
call,
as
well
as
the
folks
responding
to
it.
So
this
really
fits
within
the
health
and
human
service
realm,
which
is
generally
what
you
know.
One
of
the
areas
that
the
county
covers,
and
I
think
from
a
county-wide
perspective
fits
well
in
how
we
ensure
that
proper
response
is
given
to
individuals,
as
opposed
to
always
sending
a
uniform
law
enforcement
responder
that
may
not
be
the
best
fit
or
best
equipped
to
handle
those
types
of
calls.
A
B
F
I
don't,
I
don't
really
know
how
you
could
do
it
differently
from
a
perspective
of
continuity
of
service.
You
know
if
we.
F
Into
jurisdictions
that
don't
want
that
response,
I
think
that
becomes
very
difficult.
I
mean
you
know,
let's
look
at
it
from
this
way.
You
know
the
the
mobile
crisis
team
doesn't
respond
to
every
place,
but
the
city.
You
know
mental
health
services,
don't
provide
services
to
all
these
jurisdictions.
With
the
exception
of
this,
one
got.
B
B
A
Okay,
yeah:
it's
tough.
J
F
I
I
was
just-
and
this
may
not
be
the
right
time
so
if
it
isn't
I'll
I'll
sit
down,
you
know
just
let
me
know
if
you
want.
There
was
some
comment
about
why
the
certain
order
of
the
swat
vehicle
was
done
a
certain
way,
and
there
was
also
a
comment
about
the
traffic
stop.
So
whenever
the
time
is,
you
know,
I'd
be
happy
to
engage
in
conversation
with
those
particular
recommendations.
A
Sure
sure
why
don't
you
jump
in
now
and
then
we'll
go
to
set
and
I'll
just
mention
again
that
this
is
a
good
time
for
council
to
just
get
the
questions
out,
even
if
we
can't
answer
them
now,
we
can
compile
the
questions
and
then
get
written
answers
in
in
time
for
our
next
meeting,
so
jason
go
ahead,
sir.
F
So
as
we're
discussing
the
the
swat
vehicle
shifting,
they
were
not
intended
to
be
one
relying
on
the
other,
meaning
one
would
inform
the
other.
The
primary
reason
the
swat
vehicle
was
was
suggested.
It
being
turned
over
to
door
was
for
several
reasons.
One
is
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
mobile
communication
center
that
has
value
from
an
emergency
response
perspective
and
not
just
from
a
law
enforcement
response
perspective.
It's
a
vehicle
that
has
caused
drama
or
trauma.
F
Excuse
me
in
the
community
and
having
the
vehicle
as
an
asset
accessible
to
more
more
emergency
response,
alternatives
or
more
emergency
response
needs
other
than
just
law
enforcement
was
obvious
in
that
process,
so
shifting
it
over
really
wasn't
dependent
upon
the
following
recommendation.
The
following
recommendation
is
really
about
assessing.
F
You
know:
swat
call
outs,
george's
recommendations,
good
with
respect
to
sin
call-outs
as
well.
In
assessing
you
know,
was
it
an
adequate
response?
Was
it
an
excessive
response?
Were
there
adequate
resources?
Were
there
excessive
resources,
and
is
this
the
type
of
of
level
of
service
that
is
needed
in
the
community
and
or
does
it
need
more
or
does
it
need
less
than
moving
forward?
So
they
were
not.
They
were
not
necessarily
one
dependent
upon
the
other,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
why
they
were
recommended
separately.
I
I'm
not
clear
as
to
what
the
tompkins
county
department
of
emergency
response
is.
Is
that
the
sheriff's
department.
F
No
doer
the
con
the
office
of
emergency
response
is,
is
our
our
department
that
works
on
county-wide
coordination
to
emergencies,
whether
it's
through,
for
example,
doer,
has
an
important
role
in
the
public
health
response.
They
have
an
important
role
in
coordinating
fire
services,
ems
services
and
law
enforcement
services
throughout
the
county.
So
they
also
a
component
of
doer
is:
is
the
dispatch
center,
so
they
fall
under
that
purview
as
well.
I
Now,
if,
if
the
city
transfers
number
99
to
the
county,
would
they
have
to
take
all
their
equipment
out
of
it.
F
Right
so
the
discussion,
I
think,
was
having
the
vehicle
not
being
equipment,
storage
but
being
accessible
for
different
types
of
responses,
including
law
enforcement.
So
equipment,
movement
to
and
from
a
scene
would
not
be.
It
would
not
be
stored
in
the
vehicle.
I
I'm
talking
about
all
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
communications
equipment
and
that
would
remain
in
the
vehicle
stuff
that
that
makes
it
usable.
Basically,
I.
F
Think
your
communications
equipment
would
remain
in
the
vehicle.
There's
also
some
upgrading.
That
needs
to
be
done
with
communications
equipment
for
for
first
night
communications,
as
well
as
some
other
upgrades,
because
it
essentially
can
be
functioning
as
a
backup
dispatch
center
if
ever
needed.
I
F
I
think,
depending
on
the
type
of
emergency,
so
remember
this
is
a
motor
vehicle.
It's
a
communications
center.
Those
types
of
that
type
of
equipment
would
remain
on,
and
I
think
when
you're
talking
about
something
specific
as
law
enforcement
equipment,
it
would
not
necessarily
be
stored
on
it.
I
Finally,
on
this
topic,
does
the
county
have
a
a
good
place
to
store
this
vehicle?
The
city
spent
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
building
a
garage
for
this
vehicle
that
kind
of
suits
it
so
does
the
county
also
have
something
like
this.
F
Yes,
they
have
at
the
door
facility.
It's
a
secure,
fenced-in
facility.
I
A
Thanks
george
stuff.
J
Yeah,
so
I
wanted
to
address
recommendation
one
because
I
feel
like
that's
the
that's
the
recommendation
that
has
generated
the
most
sort
of
controversy
and
debate
and
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
I've
got
I've
got
a
lot
of
concerns
about
it,
and
I
can
say
I
you
know.
I
don't
think
that
anybody
on
council
questions
the
idea
that
we
would
have
a
response.
J
Public
safety
response
that
consists
of
armed
officers
combined
with
unarmed
call
them
social
workers
and
mental
health
crisis
workers,
and
in
fact
you
know,
I
don't
think
these
are
even
new
ideas.
I
mean
this
community
has
initiated
programs
like
this.
In
the
past
I
mean
dan,
our
chief
of
staff
sent
around
an
article
from
2011
about
a
really
successful
joint
city
and
county
program
that
was
set
up
by
beau
saul
back.
J
I
think
in
the
early
2000s
that
paired
a
police
officer
with
a
county
mental
health
worker
and
that
they
would
go
out
in
the
community
and
respond,
and
it
was
discontinued
for
reasons
that
I
don't
understand
that
was
before
my
time,
but
a
very
successful
program.
You
know
that
was
done
over
a
decade
ago.
In
this
community-
and
we
also
have
more
recent
efforts
that
I
think
have
been
very
successful-
I
mean
we
have
the
community
outreach
work
program
that
tammy
baker
has
done.
J
Such
incredible
work
on
also,
you
know,
travis
books
brooks
right
now
is
overseeing
the
the
lead
program,
went
out
and
got
a
million
dollar
grant
to
initiate
this.
I
think
both
of
those
are
really
successful.
Efforts
of
doing
exactly
what
the
spirit
of
this
plan
calls
for
shifting
you
know
the
response
away
from
police
officers,
armed
law
enforcement
and
over
to
social
workers,
and
you
know
I
what
I
question
is
instead
of
you
know
replacing
the
police
department,
renaming
the
police
department
and
all
of
it.
J
Why
don't
we
increase
those
efforts?
You
know
why?
Don't
we
expand
the
community
outreach
worker
program?
Why
don't
we
expand
the
lead
program
and
shrink
the
police
department
just
hire
fewer
officers?
I
mean
you
know
as
the
officers
retire.
We
don't
necessarily
need
to
replace
them
and
the
younger
officers
that
are
coming
on.
We
can
make
sure
that
they're
more
in
line
with
the
with
the
city's
mission,
and
I
think
it
would
get
at
the
same
outcome
as
we're
seeking
with
this
plan.
You
know
I
also
have
a
concern.
J
They
are
not
part
of
a
bureaucratic
response,
they
are
not
police
and
I
think,
having
those
individuals
actually
be
part
of
a
law
enforcement
agency
could
disrupt
that
trust,
and
so
I
you
know
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
with
the
proposal
you
know.
Obviously
I
know
it's
generated
a
lot
of
controversy
and
it's
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
and
misinformation
about
it.
J
You
know,
and
more
and
more
as
I
see
it's
kind
of
started
out,
it
sounded
like
you
know:
the
police
department
was
going
to
be
abolished
and
you
know
the
officers
were
going
to
have
to
reapply
and
it
was
going
to
bust
the
union
and
all
this
stuff.
Now
it
sounds
like
where
you
know
the
officers
are
going
to
be
maintained,
they're
still
going
to
be
considered
police
officers
under
civil
service
they're
not
going
to
have
to
reapply
for
their
jobs,
they're
still
going
to
be
able
to
negotiate
through
the
pba.
J
I
mean
this
is
what
the
mayor
has
communicated
to
us
most
recently
in
an
email-
and
you
know
it
kind
of
seems
like
we're
changing
proposing
to
maintain
the
police
department
in
everything,
but
name,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it
kind
of
seems
to
me.
Maybe
a
simpler
approach
is
just
to
take
the
programs
and
efforts
that
we've
already
been
working
on
that
seem
to
be
working,
well,
expand
them
and
just
hire
fewer
officers.
I
mean,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
reason
why
you
need.
J
You
know
four
police
suvs
showing
up
to
a
routine
welfare
check
or
or
a
mental
health
crisis.
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
reform
that
can
happen
within
the
police
department
that
can
get
us
to
a
place
where
you
know
we
really
are
fulfilling
the
spirit
of
this
plan,
which
is
to
have
pairing
up
social
workers
and
pairing
up
mental
health
workers
and
unarmed
social
service
workers
with
law
enforcement
officers.
A
I
think
it's
important,
though,
to
note
that
the
the
alternative
response,
which
you're
describing
with
social
workers
and
mental
health
professionals,
that's
the
alternative
response
and
that
should
continue
from
the
outreach
worker
program
lead
program
and
whatever
the
county
develops.
Is
that
alternative
response?
A
The
community
solutions
workers
would
be
something
different,
they'd
be
more
akin
to
taking
on
calls
that?
Don't
involve
that
don't
require
armed
officers,
but
aren't
mental
health
focused
so,
for
example,
to
take
a
simple
report:
right:
have
a
stolen
bike
or
stolen
television?
Somebody's
got
to
show
up
to
take
that
report
to
take
the
description
of
what
was
stolen,
any
information
about
it
and
to
enter
it
into
the
system.
A
A
You
know
they
separate
themselves
from
other
agencies
inside
and
outside
the
city
and
getting
that
kind
of
cross-department
collaboration
can
prove
very
challenging
for
everything
from
the
gorge
ranger
program
to
working
with
the
dia
ambassador
program
to
just
other
agencies
inside
the
city
and
the
idea
being
that,
if
they're
in
one
department,
there
would
be
a
unity
of
mission
and
purpose
and
the
chance
to
build
a
shared
culture
that
expands
both
for
the
armed
officers
and
the
unarmed
workers
what
it
means
to
deliver
public
services,
public
safety
services
for
the
city,
I
think
there's
also
a
real
benefit
of
having
a
director
of
the
department
that
need
not
necessarily
be
a
police
chief
right
and
there's
a
few
practical
reasons.
A
For
that
I
mean
we've
witnessed,
of
course,
by
the
time
folks
become
police
chief
they're,
usually
vested
they've
worked
in
a
very
demanding
and
stressful
profession
for
20
plus
years
and
retirement
is,
is
an
option
a
lot
of
them
choose.
I
think
we've
had
six
police
chiefs
in
the
last
20
years,
maybe
seven
police
chiefs
in
the
last
20
years,
and
the
absence
of
that
kind
of
consistent
leadership
at
the
head
of
the
department.
A
A
I
think
it's
also
would
be
useful
to
get
leadership
in
the
department
that
that
it'll
be
useful
to
be
able
to
recruit
from
a
broader,
more
diverse
array
of
skills,
people
with
administrative
backgrounds.
People
have
managed
complex
workforces
before
but
may
not
necessarily
have
started
their
career
as
law
enforcement
officers
could
still
lead
that
department
ably
and
could
start
to
move
those
missions
closer
together.
While
still,
I
think
seth's
point
is
a
good
one.
A
A
Jason,
that's
just
got
to
stand
up.
Yeah.
F
I
just
wanted
to
to
bring
forward
again
the
purpose
of
executive
order,
203,
specifically
the
tenants
of
it.
The
intent
of
it
is
to
identify
a
to
acknowledge
that
marginal
members
of
communities,
particularly
people
of
color,
have
been
negatively
impacted
by
inequities
and
policing.
So
your
strategies
have
to
be
looked
through
that
lens
and
how
is
that
going
to
change
the
way
inequities
and
policing
has
been
has
been,
has
been
administered
in
prior
years
and
and
that's
an
important
component
of
it.
F
This
is
the
intent
was
not
to
create
alternative
response
models
unless
it's
going
to
have
a
positive
impact
and
it's
going
to
end
in
equities
and
policing.
So
to
georgia's
point
about
the
swat
vehicle,
a
lot
of
trauma
was
expressed
around
the
vehicle,
particularly
in
marginalized
members
of
the
community,
as
well
as
people
of
color
and
communities
of
color
in
the
community.
So
while
the
vehicle
is
an
asset,
the
approach
to
it,
this
distribution,
its
use,
its
branding,
should
change
in
order
to
understand
and
to
address
that
negative
impact.
F
F
The
question
about
collecting
demographic
information
traffic
stops
is
because
generally
the
most
common
interaction
with
public
and
law
enforcement
for
most
people
is
probably
a
traffic
stop,
but
also
you're
talking
about
over
20
million
traffic
stops
a
year.
It's
also
very
documented
and
very
common
situation
that
that
provides
for
racial
profiling,
which
which
leads
to
disproportionate
contact
with
minorities.
F
We
don't
have
the
information
about
traffic
stops
as
to
how
is
that
impacting?
What
are
the
demographics
of
traffic
stops?
75
of
the
traffic
stops
resulted
in
in
warnings
of
the
25
percent
that
that
issued
tickets,
less
than
half
of
them
had
more
than
half
of
them
were
dismissed.
So
the
question
now
comes
into
what
are
the
demographics
of
anywhere
from
how
the
traffic
stop
was
initiated
to
what
was
the
reason
for
the
traffic
stop?
F
What
was
the
correlation
between
the
outcome
of
the
traffic
stop
and
its
initial
intent,
and
then
how
was
that
it
was
finally
adjudicated
or
how
was
it
processed?
All
of
that
is
talking
about.
Is
there
disproportionate
contact
with
minorities
with
the
way
we
do
our
traffic
stops
and
if
so,
that
should
then
lead
to
changes
in
the
way
we
do
our
traffic
stops
and
even
better
question
of.
Should
we
do
traffic
stops
anymore?
Is
there
a
qualitative
benefit
to
it,
and,
if
so,
are
we
doing
it
the
right
way,
and
should
we
change
it?
F
H
F
That
was
the
purpose
of
it
and,
as
we
look
through
these
recommendations,
we
looked
at
the
lens
of.
Are
they
impacting?
Is
there
going
to
be
very
positive
impact
to
these
members
of
our
community?
So
I
just
want
to
kind
of.
I
just
want
to
refresh
folks
perspective
here
what
the
executive.
A
Order
was
about,
I
appreciate
that,
because
that
change
is,
of
course
difficult
and,
and
it's
and
it's
easy
to
say
well,
if
what
we
have
is
working
well,
you
know
why
I
change
it
and,
and
the
question's
got
to
be.
Is
it
working
well
for
everyone,
and
I'm
convinced
truly
convinced
that
this
our
system
has
not
been
working
well
for
the
police
officers
themselves
and
for
vulnerable
communities
that
just
don't
feel
like
they
trust
our
police
department.
A
They've
just
said
that
loud
and
clear,
they
don't
feel
like
they
trust
it
and
building
that
trust
is
means
making
change,
and
so,
and
I
respect
the
councils
you
know-
will
have
various
opinions
about
how
far
to
go
in
the
change,
and
I
I
I
it
is
up
to
council
and
it's
up
to
all
of
us
in
the
coming
years
to
sort
that
out.
But
I
appreciate
jason
raising
that
point.
I
have
cynthia
and
then
donna
and
then
george.
B
B
I
had
been
reading
them,
both
as
referring
to
the
vehicle,
so
I
was
mistaken
on
that
part.
I
still
might
have
a
point
about
combining
them,
but
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
that
now.
I
want
to
say
that
I
think
seth
made
a
whole
lot
of
sense
just
now,
and
I'm
grateful
for
that,
and
I
I
think
he's
on
to
something.
B
Not
only
could
we
have
more
interaction
with
the
community
outreach
workers
and
the
lead
people,
but
there
might
be
opportunity
for
expanding
the
role
of
the.
What
are
they
called
community
service
officers,
the
people
who
issue
traffic
tickets?
Now
I
mean
it,
I
I
think
after
some
study
it
seems
like
it
would
be
reasonable
to
think
that
that
kind
of
person
could
also
be
involved
in
managing
crowds
at
the
ithaca
festival
and
and.
B
A
B
G
George
yeah,
thank
you.
You
know,
I
think,
jason
for
reminding
us
of
the
the
purpose
of
the
executive
order.
G
You
know
as
as
a
minority
as
a
mother
of
black
and
brown
children
who
have
to
navigate
this
world,
and
you
know
I
I
fully
understand-
and
I
recognize
that
that
change
needs
to
happen
and
that
the
community
has
a
breach
of
trust
with
our
law
enforcement
and,
as
a
result,
we
I
know
that
the
the
life
of
officers
are
probably
more
dangerous
and
threatened
as
a
result,
because
the
community
is
not
interacting
with
them
as
as
fully
and
transm,
apparently
and
cooperatively
as
they
could
be,
and
our
community
is
is
less
safe.
G
I
also
very
much
recognize
donna
and
seth's
points
here
in
that
you
know,
I
think
what
we
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
changes
that
we
institute
are
meaningful
and
right
now
they
seem
largely
administrative,
largely
bureaucratic,
renaming,
a
realignment
of
of
titles
and
what
I
would
like.
What
I
would
have
liked
to
see
more
in
the
report
is
also
analysis
of
how
we,
ourselves,
as
an
organization,
are
going
to
institute
policies
within
the
city.
G
Amongst
our
officers,
the
report
mentions
that
there
is
a
duty
to
inform
or
a
duty
to
report,
if
officers
who
would
be
the
most
likely
to
be
aware
of
improper
actions
within
the
department
that
they
themselves
have
a
duty
to
report
improper
activities
amongst
their
colleagues.
But
what
we
don't
have
is:
actually
we
don't
have
a
a
confidential
reporting
system
so
that
somebody
who
does
report
is
given
the
protection
of
not
being
retaliated
against
for
reporting
inappropriate
action.
G
You
know
a
system
that
makes
sure
that
there
is
not
only
a
recording
process,
a
reporting
process,
but
a
a
compliance
follow
through
to
ensure
that,
when
inappropriate
actions
happen,
that
they
were,
they
are
dealt
with
seriously
immediately
and
effectively,
and
so
these
are
things
again
within
the
organization
itself
that
can
be
instituted
without
this
broader
restructuring
and,
I
think,
are-
are
as
meaningful
as
many
of
the
or
as
most,
if
not
all,
of
the
recommendations
in
here.
G
So
when
I
think
about
the
the
structural
realignment
that
is
being
proposed,
I'm
very
confused
just
how
all
of
this
would
be
implemented,
I'm
not
quite
sure
the
benefit
of
a
a
director
over
the
police
officer
or
the
police
chief.
You
know
I
look
at
our
managerial
plan
and
step.
G
G
The
thing
I
would
also
like
to
know
is
we
we
talk
about
retain
in
the
resolution.
We
talk
about
retaining
officers
within
the
department
and
then
we
also
talk
about
transitioning
officers
within
the
organization,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
I'd
like
to
understand
better.
G
Does
that
transition
mean
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
transition
at
that
point,
and
could
we
elaborate
on
on
what
the
the
goals
and
objectives
are
as
to
why
we
would
have
a
civilian
director
over
police
chief?
What
are
the
goals
of
the
transition?
What
what
do
we
hope
to
achieve
in
this
new
structure
that
we
don't
have
now.
A
Thank
you
good
questions,
so
I'll
say
that
it
is
a
good
idea
to
suggest
added
things
that
we
can
do
in
the
department
and
in
the
city
and
to
add
those
to
our
plan.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
spoke
just
now
about
some
of
the
added
benefits
of
a
director,
but
we
can
put
some
of
those
in
writing
too
and
then
the
details
of
implementation
are
the
details
of
implementation.
I
mean
they.
They
are.
You
know
with
step
11
step.
12.
A
New
steps
to
the
plan
are
all
things
that
the
council
and
community
would
decide
together
over
the
next
couple
years,
sorting
out
how
to
make
that
work,
but
that
the
idea
is
that
to
fold
together
under
one
umbrella,
public
safety
responses,
both
law
enforcement
and
non-law
enforcement
responses
to
public
safety
needs
all
reporting
to
one
director
and
that
director,
you
know.
A
Not
only
could
we
recruit
them
for
more
diverse
backgrounds,
more
diverse
experiences,
but
again
there's
a
greater
chance
that
they
would
have
longevity
being
able
to
lead
the
department
for
five
seven
ten
fifteen
years,
in
the
same
way
that
many
of
our
other
department
heads
are
able
to
because
the
police
again
being
unique
amongst
city
agencies
and
that
kind
of
turnover
at
the
chief
level
of
george
and
then
laura.
I
Thanks
devonte,
I
liked
what
you
said
about
the
the
non-um
armed
officers,
potentially
the
jobs.
They
would
do,
I'm
glad
you
made
the
distinction
between
social
services
type
jobs,
because
as
important
as
they
are,
I
think
we
need
to
remember
that.
That's
the
county's
responsibility
that
type
of
work
and
given
how
thinly
we're
stretched,
I
don't.
I
don't
really
think
we
should.
I
I
think
we
should
collaborate,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
be
hiring
mental
health
workers
and
social
service
workers,
and
I
appreciate
what
jason
said
about.
We
have
to
remember
what
this
is
about
and
it's
about
gaining
trust
with
the
black
and
brown
community.
I
What
the
what
the
commission
found
about
black
and
brown
family's
view
of
truck
number
99,
but-
and
this
may
be
before
jason's
time-
I've
been
to
a
lot
of
community
picnics
and
events
around
the
city
where
the
police
department
brought
the
truck,
so
people
could
go
through
it,
so
kids
could
go
through
it
and
what
I've
seen
anecdotally
is
people
interacting
with
the
police
on
a
friendly
personal
level
during
that
activity,
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
bad
thing.
I
We
can
talk
about
this
in
more
detail
later,
but
I
guess
I
have
a
question
for
cevante
we've
talked
about,
assuring
that
all
the
officers
jobs
would
be
not
in
jeopardy,
but
in
the
language
it
says
talking
about
the
police
to
the
full
extent
of
armed
positions
funded
in
said
transition.
I
A
A
I
A
E
Thank
you
again
and
I
I
really
appreciate
in
particular,
I
appreciate
sef's
comments
earlier
and
in
my
conversations
with
a
number
of
people,
the
draft
proposal.
It
was
the
first
recommendation
that
was
the
immediate
topic
of
conversation
conversations
I've
had
about
recommendations
2
through
19.
E
There
have
been
times
where
police
officers
that
I'm
aware
of
police
officers
will
work
in
tandem
with
a
community
outreach
worker
to
the
benefit
of
the
situation
at
hand
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
see
a
continuation
and
a
further
building
of
relationship
between
police
officers,
whatever
they
may
be
called,
and
I
think
we
are
not
yet
fully
decided
on
that
and
community
outreach
workers,
social
workers.
E
E
Talking
about
the
resolution
that
was
shared
earlier
today,
I
did
want
to
ask
if
there
would
be
interest
in
a
revision
of
the
city-specific
recommendation,
the
first
city-specific
recommendation.
I
wonder
if
what
I'm
proposing?
What
I
would
like
to
suggest
is
that,
rather
than
create
a
department,
I
would
suggest
using
existing
data
to
study
the
creation
of
a
department
of
community
solutions
and
public
safety.
We
can
still
talk
about
the
name
of
that
department.
E
Others
have
raised
that
possibly
to
be
led
by
a
director
who
may
be
a
civilian
employee
to
oversee
various
public
safety
functions
in
the
city
and
report
to
common
council
no
later
than
november.
1
2021
the
proposed
structure,
staffing
and
budget
involved,
and
the
reason
I'm
suggesting
that
modification
is
that
in
my
mind,
in
the
minds
of
some
people,
I've
talked
to
recommendations
are
being
confused
a
bit
with
implementation,
and
this
is
a
huge
document.
The
the
proposal
the
implementation
is
going
to
take
a
number
of
years.
E
It's
going
to
take
staffing,
it's
going
to
take
budgetary
commitment,
I'm
not
at
all
questioning
those,
but
recognizing,
rather
that
it
is
going
to
take
time
and
I
believe,
further
study.
And
so
I
would
like
to
propose
a
revision
to
that
first
city,
specific
recommendation
in
the
resolution
that
we're
looking
at
tonight
thanks.
A
Thank
you.
Could
you
send
that
language
around
to
folks?
Maybe
it's
best
if
we
do
it
kind
of
like
we
do
budget
just
you
know,
we
can
create
a
parking
lot
of
proposed
amendments
so
that
once
it's
because
this
hasn't
been
moved
and
seconded,
it's
not
on
the
floor,
it's
just
for
discussion,
but
if
you
send
that
language
to
folks,
we
can
have
it
ready
for
the
ca
meeting
on
the
24th.
H
Thank
you
mayor
and
laura
thanks
for
that.
I
was.
I
got
a
bit
confused
about
the
process
there
because
I
was
thinking
it
needed
to
be
seconded,
but
I
know
we're
not
doing
that
so
so
I
I.
D
H
We
all
know
that
we've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
on
this
and
what
two
other
things
that
I'm
focused
on
not
only
from
the
proposals
but
in
talking
with
people
is
really
the
best
way
for
us
to
try
and
achieve
two
major
objectives.
H
One
is
greater
accountability
in
public
safety
and
I
think
the
other
one
is
is
really
a
changing
culture
from
what
we
have
currently
and
that's
not,
I
don't
think
unique
to
ipd
many
organizations.
Cornell
the
city
as
a
whole
are
going
through
a
period
where
the
cultures
have
to
change,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
recognize
as
we
try
to
address
the
real
concerns
that
came
up
and
they're
very
clear
to
me
from
reading.
You
know
the
the
outreach
that
went
on
in
terms
of
these
two
critical
factors.
H
I'm
still
not
clear
that
the
recommendation
in
terms
of
how
you
would
get
that
with
this
new
department
is,
is
the
best
way
forward.
I
mean
it's
difficult
to
separate
the
idea,
which
I
think
there
are
many
benefits
to
that
in
terms
of
trying
to
change
the
culture
which
I
I
accept
and,
and
I
and
I
hope
we
can
convince
people
that
that
is
something
that's
desperately
needed
with
the
idea
of
how
that
actually
works
in
practice.
H
How
do
how
do
you
actually
have
police
officers,
armed
police
officers
and
community
solution
workers
or
whatever
we
want
to
call
them?
How
do
you
actually
get
them
working
together
and
is
it
the
best
way
to
have
them
in
the
same
department
and
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
confusion
that
is
going
to
come
up
in
terms
of
the
roles
of
these
different
types
of
people?
H
Seth
made
a
point
about
our
existing
programs,
and
I
think
the
roles
of
those
people
are
very
clear.
I
think
they're
pretty
clear
to
the
public
as
well,
and
so
I
also
feel
that
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
from,
as,
as
we've
definitely
agreed,
there
needs
to
be
more
effort
in
that
area
of
public
safety.
H
That
is
a
I
don't
know,
a
softer
response,
whatever
or
more
kind
of
focused
on
that
aspect
of
public
safety
and
I'm
still
having
a
lot
of
difficulty,
seeing
how
if
we
did
have
a
combined
department,
how
that
would
actually
work
in
practice
and
I've
been
reading.
You
know,
I
think
this
note
round
about
you
know
other
communities
I
was
reading
about
camden
they
got
rid
of
the
police
department.
H
It
was
only
successful
once
there
were
specific
kind
of
commitments
on
on
basically
how
to
change
the
culture
that
is
getting
some
agreement
from,
in
this
case,
ipd
about
what
kind
of
changes
and
and
being
specific
about
how
they
would
really
change,
because
we've
heard
a
lot
from
them
that
yes,
they're
open
to
change
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
H
But
I
think
the
community's
been
hearing
that
for
years
and
nothing's
really
happened,
and
I
think
that's
what
we
have
to
try
and
secure
as
part
of
this
recommendation
that
goes
forward
to
this
state
and
until
I
can
see
some
specific
recommendations,
if
we
don't
have
this
combined
department,
I'd
be
very
uncomfortable
about
not
putting
something
forward
that
achieves
or
aims
to
achieve
some
specific
goals.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
While
I
have
the
floor
I'll
just
add
my
thanks
to
everyone
who
participated
in
this.
You.
B
C
It
was
really
for
me
most
striking
that
we
had.
You
know
a
lot
of
smart
and
talented
people
involved
from
the
city
from
the
county,
but
also
from
the
community,
and
I
think
it
was
a
really
great
effort.
So
I'm
glad
that
we
we
have
this
in
our
community
pick
up
on
what
graham
said.
C
So
I
really
appreciate
that
this
conversation
is
going
on
and
I
I'm
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
add
much
more
to
it
at
the
moment,
but
where
I
want
to
take
my
question
is:
is
to
try
to
get
a
little
more
information
from
you
about
what
we
can
expect
with,
and
I
know
you
referred
to
it
as
a
very
rough
budget
estimates.
But
what
can
we
expect
in
terms
of
helping
us
understand?
The
financial
impacts
of
these
recommendations,
and
is
there
anything
you
need
from
us
to
help
guide
that
and
how?
C
A
A
And
the
the
range
of
estimates
on
recommendation,
one
is
going
to
range
enormously.
I
mean
one
thing
that
we
can
clear
in
our
facilities.
Master
plan
is
that
the
facility
most
in
need
right
now,
it's
number
one
on
the
list
to
be
replaced.
Is
the
ithaca
police
department,
the
I'm
talking
about
the
building,
now,
not
that
the
people,
the
building,
actually
needs
replacement.
A
That's
that's
a
whole
different
budget
conversation.
If
we're
talking
about
just
starting
with
a
director
start
by
hiring
a
director
of
public
safety
change,
nothing
else
yet,
but
start
from
there
and
and
begin
to
grow
it
incrementally
that's
a
different
set
of
numbers.
So
I
think
it's
it's
almost
like
you
said
how
do
we
get
a
firmer
grip
on
that
in
the
next
two
weeks?
I
don't
think
we
can.
I
think
we
have
to
decide
that
we're
going
to
continue
planning,
continue,
thinking
down
this
process
and
then
spend
the
next
several
months.
A
Laura
suggested
through
november
settling
on
questions
like
the
one
cynthia
raised
about
salary
bands
and
and
working
with
the
officers
themselves
to
figure
out
titles
and
roles
and
job
descriptions.
A
So
it's
you
know
just
it's
a
question
to
say
it
will
be
easier
to
know
those
things
once
we
know
the
direction
we
want
to
go
in
is
that
right,
dana
and
jason.
I
saw
you
both
your
cameras
came
on,
so
I
assume
we
have
something
smarter
than
me
to
say.
D
No,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
agree
with
you.
Many
of
these
things
are
a
matter
of
will
like
cynthia
mentioned
early
policies,
so
that's
something
that
we've
been
talking
about
more
intensely
lately.
So
it's
a
matter
of
sitting
down
using
critical
race
theory
using
an
equity
lens
to
think
about
our
policies,
and
what
does
that
look
like?
And
so
that's
folks
who
are
arts
a
lot
of
smart
people
on
the
screen
already
to
think
about
some
of
that
work.
So
they're,
not
time
intensive.
D
Looking
at
some
of
the
lobbying
efforts,
the
things
that
we
have
just
a
preliminary
over
in
terms
of
budget,
looking
at
the
alternative
response,
what
that
might
cost,
potentially
looking
at
some
of
the
training
training
budget,
what
that
might
cost
in
relationship
to
some
of
the
community
solutions
that
were
provided
the
community
comprehensive
community
healing
plan
looking
at
some
of
those
things,
the
peer
support
model
looking
at
some
community
support
in
terms
of
potentially
a
community
hub,
so
some
of
those
things
actually
there
are
more
recommendations
that
don't
cost
anything
than
do.
D
But
what
we
found
is
once
folks
look
at
it.
They'll
add
more
to
it,
so
it'll
really
be.
These
are
base
level
estimates
in
that
as
a
taxpayer.
D
I
don't
want
to
spend
any
more
money
than
I
have
to,
and
so
these
are
the
things
that
we
have
to
do,
and
these
are
things
that
we're
going
to
in
terms
of
being
fiscally
prudent,
recognizing
that
with
the
pandemic
and
things
of
that
nature,
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
say
we
made
it
an
investment
at
the
same
time,
knowing
that
again,
as
jason
always
says,
this
is
a
beginning
of
the
stairwell,
and
so
what
do
we
need
to
do
to
make
sure
the
folks
we
have
on
board
as
part
of
the
process
are
successful
at
the
same
time,
knowing
that
we'll
come
back
to
common
council
will
go
back
to
the
legislature
as
needed
for
the
appropriate
approvals
and
the
approach
as
we
expand
the.
A
Effort
so
thank
you,
rob
and
so
yeah
and
do
once
you
see
the
numbers.
If
that
triggers
more
in-depth
questions,
you
let
us
know
and
then
we'll
try
and
have
answers.
A
Scenarios
we
could
do.
I
was
going
to
shy
for
scenario,
but
it's
a
scenario
made
of
of
modular
units
right,
a
modular
parts.
So
you
could
say:
oh
if
it's
an
x
number
of
g's,
I'm
about
to
embarrass
myself
in
front
of
my
calculus
teacher
and
god
and
everybody
else.
But
if
x
y
cost
you
can
change
x
up
and
down,
you
can
change
y's
the
unit
up
and
down
to
build
our
own
scenarios
from
there.
J
But
if
you
look
at
a
lot
of
the
feedback
that
came
back,
I
mean
what
what
you
hear
is
well
people,
don't
trust
the
process
right
and
that's
understandable,
because
we've
been
talking
about
police
reform
for
forever,
and
you
know
people
feel
like
not
enough
has
changed,
and
so
I
understand
that.
But
there
was
also
seems
like
there
was
some
support
that
I
actually
found
surprising
for
the
police
department.
I
mean
there
is
real
sympathy
for
the
officers
themselves.
You
know
the
stress
that
they're
under
that
they're
overworked.
J
If
you
look
at
the
survey,
I
was
actually
surprised
that
the
results
of
the
survey
were
more
positive
about
ipd
in
the
city
than
I
expected,
and
I
guess
that's
where
I
started
hung
up
on
this.
You
know:
where
did
this
idea
come
from
to
just
wholesale,
replace
the
department
and
replace
it
with
something
else,
because
it
doesn't
necessarily
feel
like
there's
a
mandate
for
that
from
the
data
that
was
gathered.
H
J
Nobody
has
quite
been
able
to
connect
the
dots
on
that
one
for
me,
and
you
know
I
will
say
on
the
rest
of
the
recommendations
you
know
there
there
are.
There
are
recommendations
in
there
that
I
think
are
really
really
important,
but
this
community
has
struggled
to
enact
in
the
past
because
there's
been
all
kinds
of
pushback
and
everything
you
know.
I.
J
Power
for
the
police
board,
for
instance,
is
a
big
deal
and
even
you
know
no
matter
where
we
end
up
with
recommendation
one
and
I'm
confident
we
will
end
up
at
a
place
where
we
will
have
consensus
and
vote
on
something
I
think
getting
a
vote
on
this
report
and
a
vote
on
these
recommendations
is
a
massive
huge
achievement
for
this
community,
and
you
know,
I
think,
we'll
be
able
to
get
there.
J
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
debate
over
the
next
few
weeks,
but
I'm
confident
we're
going
to
be
able
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
will
have
a
mandate
to
move
forward
on
some
changes
that
you
know
are
are
going
to
be
really
good
for
the
community.
J
But
again
I
just
I've
been
hung
up
on
that
recommendation
number
one.
For
that
reason,
I
just
I
you
know
I've
read
through
the
report.
I've
read
the
data
from
the
focus
groups.
I
just
don't
I
I
don't
really
know
where
this
idea
came
from.
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
saying.
J
A
So
the
genesis,
I
believe,
came
out
of
the
data
that
showed
that
officers
were
reporting
that
they're
responding
to
a
lot
of
things
that
didn't
require
an
officer
response
and
the
community
members
were
reporting
that
they
didn't
often
feel
comfortable
with
a
militarized
police
response.
That
was
the
heart
of
it
is
that
the
community
members
said
they
wanted
a
response.
A
Officers
said
they
were
responding
to
too
many
things.
I
think
that
was
the
the
crux
of
where
that
recommendation
flowed
from
so
that
is
borne
out
by
the
data,
not
just
the
community
input
data,
but
also
the
call
data
that
we
analyzed
over
the
last
five
years.
A
There
was
also
all
of
the
difficulty
that
we
have
in
recruiting
diverse
people
into
the
field
right
now.
There
was
a
idea
that
one
we
wanted
a
more
diverse
workforce
and
then
the
very
same
people.
We
asked
you
know
black
folks
that
they
wanted
to
see
more
black
folks.
Almost
everybody
said
they
wanted
to
see
more
women
in
law
enforcement
for
good
reason.
It
turns
out
that
leads
to
better
police
departments,
but
then
those
same
folks
when
asked,
would
you
join
the
department?
Would
you
recommend
somebody,
you
know
joined
the
department?
A
The
answer
was
no,
so
that
also
generated
this
idea
of
how
do
we
create
opportunities
in
public
safety
service
delivery
to
diversify
our
workforce
right,
recruit
people
from
diverse
communities
so
that
they
can
actually
represent
the
diversity
of
our
community,
who
aren't
right
now
interested
in
signing
up
to
becoming
police
officers?
A
That's
where
those
recommendations
flow
from
it
was
cross-checked
against
some
other
ideas,
like
the
the
that
are
being
proposed
across
the
country.
A
So
I
I
do
have
ducks
and
then
laura.
I
have
cynthia
and
then
because
we're
coming
up
on
7
30
and
we
do
have
a
hard
stop
I'll
ask
if
steve
and
deb
who
haven't
weighed
in
yet
would
like
to
add
anything
so.
But
it's
dachshund,
then
laura
and
then
did
I
see
cynthia
cynthia's
head.
L
I
think
we
all
need
to
make
a
list
and
just
do
a
vote
around
essentially
and
to
get
through
all
the
amendments
that
we
feel
strongly
about
and
make
a
decision,
because
I
suspect
that
there
will
be
a
lot
of
suggestions,
big
and
small,
and
I
will
not
actually
focus
on
recommendation
number
one.
I'm
gonna
focus
on
everything
else
in
part,
because
in
large
part,
because
over
and
over
again
there
was
skepticism
of
the
process
and
whether
we
would
act
on
these
things,
and
so
I'm
really
looking
at
things.
D
L
You
know
we
we
transmit
this
to
the
governor
on
april
1st
and
the
first
ca
meeting
after
that,
the
april
ca
meeting
we
start
getting
to
work
on
it
and
and
whether
us
as
a
body,
are
willing
to
get
to
some
of
those
things
really
quickly
and
and
whether
this
administration
is
willing
to
support
some
of
them.
Large
and
small,
so
like
the
smallest,
for
example,
is
the
two
requests
of
new
york
state?
Can
we,
you
know,
write
resolutions
real,
quick
and
get
those
out
as
soon
as
possible?
L
Transparency
is
a
huge
issue,
so
can
we
immediately
start
working
on
a
new
data
policy
and
also
immediately
especially
if
we
get
assistance
from
the
federal
government
pay
for
that
dashboard,
whether
it's
a
capital
project
or
whether
we
hire
someone
internally
to
do
it?
L
L
In
really
living
up
to
this
idea
that
budgets,
oh
so
my
other
big
example,
was.
L
L
L
It
uses
its
existing
one,
but
it
shows
our
commitment
to
these
alternatives
to
armed
law
enforcement
so
that
that's
what
will
be
on
my
mind
coming
immediately
after
the
vote
will
be
stuff
like
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
laura
then
sit
there.
E
Thank
you,
yeah
duckson
said
a
lot
of
what
I
was
planning
to
say,
but
he
said
it
much
better
than
than
I
would.
The
we've
heard
that
the
community
has
doubts
about
whether
there
will
be
real
change
coming
from
this
endeavor,
and
I
want
there
to
be
real
change.
That
is
concrete
and
I'd
like
us
to
be
able
to
move
quickly
on
some
of
those
items
that
we
we
being
city
and
county
can
move
quickly
on.
So
I
completely
support
what
what
duckson
was
just
saying.
E
Let's
move
ahead
on
some
of
these
the
advocacy
pieces
we
could
move
ahead
on
one
other
question
I
had,
and
this
is
referring
back
to
rob's
comment,
a
few
other
comments
about
budget.
This
may
be
a
foolish
question
to
ask,
but
I'll
ask
it
anyway.
The
governor
this
work
is
important
work
and
should
be
done,
regardless
of
us
having
the
executive
order
203.
However,
we
do
have
executive
order
203,
and
so
my
silly
question
is:
will
there
be
any
state
funding
to
support
implementation?
That's
needed
from
such
proposals.
E
A
Listen,
it's
the
right
question
and
I
think
it's
the
one
we
should
be.
We
should
transmit
to
the
to
the
state
legislature
and
the
governor
because
yeah
it's
a
priority
for
the
state
as
well
as
a
priority
for
us,
so
I
think
they
would
want
to
invest
as
well.
A
Okay,
next
half
cynthia
and
then
george
and
then.
G
G
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
under
the
recommendation
or
the
resolution,
we
aren't
actually
revising
the
civil
service
exam
ourselves
correct.
We
are
re
advocating
for.
G
Advocating
for
changes
to
the
civil
service
exam,
so
maybe
that's
something
that
we
need
to
clear
that
language
on.
I
wanted
to
thank
the
mayor
for
circulating
the
resolution
for
those
who
are
on
youtube.
It
is
on
the
city
site
under
the
agenda
center.
If
you
haven't
read
it,
it's
there.
Some
questions
that
staff
have
asked
me,
which
the
resolution
does
articulate.
I
just
want
to
say
out
loud
for
people
who
are
watching
under
the
resolution.
G
G
E
E
I
I
It's
very
very
important,
absolutely
crucial
that
we
don't
separate
the
armed
police
officers
even
further
from
the
community
by
just
focusing
on
serious
crime
and
etc.
We
want
these
officers
to
be
more
involved
with
the
community
than
they
are
now,
instead
of
less
so,
and
I
think
the
officers
want
that
too.
So,
let's
please
remember
that
we
don't
want
to
create
a
green
beret
effect.
If
you
will,
we
want
all
our
officers
involved
with
the
community.
M
Great
most
of
my
points
have
actually
been
made
this
evening.
M
We
have
to
do
something
different
and
it's
not
just
a
reaction
to
the
current
national
backdrop.
It's
something
that's
been
a
long
time
coming,
so
we
have
to
do
something.
We
can't
do
nothing.
I
also
want
to
you
know.
I
I'm
concerned
that
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made
about
our
our
police-
I
just
want
to
remind
us,
we're
it's
almost
like
we're
we're
judging
them
on
their
worst
days.
At
this
moment
right
their
mental
health
and
their
morale
is
currently
pretty
terrible.
M
They
are
understaffed,
they
aren't
able
to
fill
shifts.
We
actually
were
relatively
progressive
as
a
legislative
body
when
we
tried
to
fund
what
we
were
calling
the
community
action
team
was
actually
actually
something
that
might
be
able
to
be
included
as
we
move
forward
and
look
about
what
a
new
configuration
of
a
police
department
could
look
like
so,
and
I
want
to
reiterate
a
little
bit
of
what
george
just
said
as
well,
which
is
the
last
thing
we
want
to
do
is
segment
out
the
the
armed
versus
the
the
unarmed.
M
I
think
the
spirit
of
203
is
to
figure
out
how
to
rebuild
trust
and
relationships
and
community
investment
on
both
sides.
So,
as
jason
mentioned
earlier,
this
is
we
have
to
evaluate
each
of
these
recommendations
as
to
will
that
actually
get
at
what
what
we
are
talking
about
right.
All.
That
being
said,
I
don't
actually
think
number
one
is
crazy.
I
think
everything
that
you
all
have
been
talking
about
this
evening
is
describing
number
one
and
doing
it
and
I
just
want.
I
want
to
encourage
us
to
to
not
toss
out.
M
We
need
to
imagine
what's
possible,
we
need
to
think
about
this
with
a
new
frame
of
reference.
We
need
to
think
about
this
with
new
voices
that
have
been
included
at
the
table,
voices
that
have
not
had
the
power
and
influence,
and
that
told
us
this
is
how
they
feel
about
our
police.
But
the
other
side
of
that
equation
is
that
the
police
hate
that
people
feel
this
way
about
them.
So
how
do
we
connect
those
pieces?
How
do
we
connect
both
sides
and
get
to
a
place
in
the
middle?
M
Where
everyone
is
is
is
comfortable.
I
think
what
where
we
ended
up
is
a
terrible
game
of
semantics.
M
I
think
that
word
replace
got
twisted
in
the
in
the
wind
to
abolish
and
it
made
everyone
scared
and
uncomfortable
and
feel
unappreciated
and
disrespected,
and
that
was
not
the
intent,
so
my
hope
is:
how
do
we
move
this
forward?
How
do
we
think
about
the
spirit
of
number
one
and
the
elements
in
number
one,
but
make
sure
that
all
of
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
looked
at
to
create
what
an
ideal
public
safety
response
is
for
our
community?
M
M
So
I
I
have
one
question
which
is
essentially,
I
want
to
understand
more
of
the
role
of
the
cjc
and
and
what
that
will
look
like,
not
only
with
regard
to
all
of
the
recommendations,
but
is
the
cjc
expected
to
assist
the
city
in
implementing
some
of
the
pieces
of
number
one,
or
is
the
city
sort
of
on
their
own
to
look
at
what
a
reimagined
police
department
could
look
like?
A
Great
okay,
that's
a
good!
Well
first!
Thank
you
dad
for
saying
better
than
I
should
have
called
on
you
in
the
first
place
very
well
said,
and
we
can
get
you
that
that's
a
good
question
about
the
cjd
and
their
role
as
project
managers.
How
will
they
assist
the
city?
How
this
is
the
county?
How
does
that
break
down
when
there's
a
city-only
recommendation
or
community
recommendation,
so
we'll
try
and
get
you
a
direct
answer
on
that.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
want
to
echo
what
zamante
said
about
that.
I
think
that
was
really
eloquently
said
and
I
couldn't
have
said
it
better
myself,
I'm
similar
to
george
I'm
struck
by
how
much
commonality
there
is
in
the
room
and
how
much
there
seems
to
be
agreement
that
a
lot
of
the
fundamentals
of
a
recommendation
number
one
need
to
be
considered
and
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
support
for
those
things.
K
So
I'm
I'm
struck
and
appreciative
of
the
tone
and
and
the
work
that
everybody
here
has
done
to
get
to
that
point,
and
I
think
you
know
recommendation
number
one
is
kind
of
called
attention
to
the
800-pound
gorilla
in
the
room
and
regardless
of
how
it
got
there,
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
in
our
community
who
we
owe
it
to
to
have
a
conversation
about
what
to
do
about
it,
and
I
think
that's
what
everything
from
everything
I've
heard.
That's
what
number
that's!
K
What
recommendation
number
one
is
is
agreeing
to
have
a
conversation
about
what
we're
gonna
do
at
that
larger
scale,
and
I
think
this
this
legislation
recognize
represents
the
most
anti-racist
conversation.
K
I've
seen
at
council
and
there's
so
much
about
our
work
that
has
an
impact
on
equality
and
equity
and
inclusion
in
our
in
our
community,
but
this
is
this
is
by
far
the
most
comprehensive
potent
conversation
I've
seen,
I
think,
there's
there's
a
lot
to
be
hopeful
for
in
in
all
the
recommendations,
but
I've
I'm
really
supportive
of
having
the
conversation,
especially
around
number
one,
because
that's
the
one
I'm
getting
the
most
questions
about
from
both
sides,
and
I
think
that's
because,
as
deb
said
and
as
others
have
said,
this
is
right
now
we
have
a
situation
that
doesn't
do
right
by
certain
members
of
our
community
and
doesn't
do
right
by
our
by
our
officers
and
so
having
that
conversation
and
coming
up
with
a
solution
that
puts
our
officers
in
a
better
position
to
do
the
things
that
they
that
they
really
care
about
and
do
them
well
and
better
serve
our
community.
K
At
the
same
time,
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
important.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say
for
now.
A
No
question,
thank
you
steve,
so
I
think
her.
So
we
we've
got
a
lot
of
great
notes
and
good
questions.
The
budget
document
will
be
coming
in
the
next
couple
days,
the
faq
tomorrow
as
well,
which
would
help
let's
talk
about
next
week,
really
quickly.
So
my
thought,
because
there
was
confusion
around
this
meeting,
whether
the
public
comments
or
not-
and
I
didn't
want
folks
to
feel
like
they
missed
out
on
an
opportunity
to
comment.
I
wanted.
H
A
Dan
and
julie
reminded
me
that
seth
already
has
his
hands
full
next
wednesday.
The
planning
and
economic
development
committee
there'll
be
a
long
meeting
already.
So
it's
looking
at
tuesday
tuesday,
though,
is
the
county
legislature
meeting
night.
So
maybe,
if
is
jason
or
dana
or
dahmer
storm,
are
you
expecting
public
comment?
Then
your
meeting
starts
at
5
30
right.
F
L
F
Now
I
will
say
that
so
we
have
our
public
hearing
on
tuesday
there's
a
public
safety
meeting
on
thursday
next
thursday,
which
would
be
the
18th,
and
then
we
have
another
public
safety
committee
meeting
the
23rd,
that's
a
special.
So
that's
a
special
public
safety
committee
meeting
and
I
believe
the
legislature
is
expecting
to
have
you
know
most
legislators.
I
think
all
legislators
will
be
attending
the
public
safety
committee
meeting
on
the
18th
as
well
as
the
23rd
and
then
I
believe,
they're
having
a
special
ledge
meeting
on
the
30th
to
take
action.
F
So
our
public
hearing
is
on
tuesday.
It
would
be
at
5
30,
which
would
be
the
start
of
it.
A
F
Mean
it's
an
hour
and
a
half
later
it's
it's
possible.
I
mean
we
usually
have
the
public
hearings,
usually
before
any
business
takes
place,
so
it
would
be
before
anything
like
privilege
of
the
floor
anything
along
those
lines.
It
would
all
be
before.
That
would
be
the
actual
first
thing
that
happens:
okay,.
A
L
A
Got
it
okay,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
all!
It
is
7
30.
So
thank
you
really
appreciate
appreciate
the
good
discussion,
the
back
and
forth
the
suggested
edits.
And
yes,
if
there
are
proposed
amendments
that
people
would
like,
you
could
send
those
ahead
of
time
as
well.
So
we
can
create
up,
I
think,
ducks
and
call
it
a
boat
around
yes,
deb.
M
I
also
just
want
to
know
if
there
are
other
people
that
people
want
to
hear
from,
we
can
think
about
who
we
might
want
to
invite
to
city
administration
if.