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From YouTube: October 28, 2020 Budget Meeting #4
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A
All
right
welcome
back
everyone.
We
are
now
going
to
kick
off
our
budget
meeting
continuation
of
our
budget
delivery
deliberations
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
We
have
reviews
of
the
following
departments:
we
had
human
resources,
the
attorney's
office
finance,
including
chamberlain,
controller
mayor
and
council,
and
then
just
a
review
of
capital
projects,
since
we
did
already
have
a
lengthy
meeting
to
talk
about
capital
projects.
This
is
just
a
chance
to
ask
any
last-minute
questions
on
those
I
did
not
have
any
questions
submitted
for
any
of
these
particular
departments.
A
That
certainly
doesn't
mean
you
can't
ask
everybody.
That's
here
questions,
so
I
guess
what
I
will
do
is.
I
will
kick
us
off
by
asking
if
there
are
any
general
questions
about
the
budget
or
anything
that
steve
you
want
to
give
us
an
update
on
before
we
launch
into
our
individual
departments.
B
Sure
yeah,
I
did
receive
one
update
today,
so
I'll
share
that
I
just
received
this
from
the
assessment
department.
I
usually
check
with
them
throughout
the
process
to
make
sure
that
our
taxable
assessment
hasn't
changed.
It
usually
does,
as
I
think
I've
mentioned
before.
B
Generally,
we
get
our
assessment
on
july
1st
and
then
there's
appeals
during
the
process
until
we
actually
approve
the
budget
early
november.
So
we
did.
I
did
receive
a
change
and
I'll
I'll
send
this
off
to
everybody,
but
we
had
about.
We
had
a
275
000
reduction
in
our
taxable
assessed
value,
which
equates
to
about
3
3237,
less
revenue
generated
from
our
current
tax
rate
of
11.77,
so
we'll
be
updating
the
budget
documents
with
the
the
current
and
most
recent
tax
taxable
assessed
value
chain.
B
So
I
will
send
that
around
shortly,
and
so
you
can
see
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
update
everyone
on
that.
A
Department,
all
right,
so
we've
got
human
resources
at
the
top.
I
see
shelley
is
still
here,
so
we
have
narratives
from
the
departments.
What
we've
been
doing
is
giving
department
heads
a
chance
if
you
want
to
see
anything
else,
supplemental
to
your
narrative
and
then
we'll
just
open
it
up
for
questions.
I
did
not
have
any
questions
specifically
about
human
resources
that
were
submitted
to
me
so
shelley
is
there
anything
you
want
to
say
specifically.
C
Okay,
I
I
was
just
checking
dan
just
so
you
know
val's
having
difficulty
getting
in.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
send
her
to
link
again
good
good
evening,
everyone,
I
think
we
we
have
one
of
the
smallest
budgets
and
one
of
the
smallest
departments.
C
Although
we
provide
services
for
the
entire
organization,
I
think
our
budget
is
fairly
simple
and
one
thing
I
will
say
just
in
terms
of
this
these
last
what
six
seven
months.
I
really
want
to
acknowledge
my
staff,
particularly
my
front
office
staff.
During
the
beginnings
of
what
was
going
on.
C
It
was
a
it
was
very
stressful
for
the
staff,
especially
my
people,
who
were
on
the
front
line
employees
who
were
being
furloughed
the
calls
the
questions
the
tears.
You
know
it
was.
It's
really
been
gut-wrenching
for
the
department
and
with
some
of
us,
still
working
teleworking.
It
takes
a
lot
of
effort
to
keep
the
connectedness
and
keep
keep
in
touch,
but
my
staff
has
been
stellar
in
this
process
and
been
very
responsive,
so
I
just
really
want
to
acknowledge
them.
I
think
it's
important.
C
So
thank
you.
I
don't
know
if
there
are
questions.
If,
if
people
have
questions
about
the
budget,
I
can
answer
those
or.
A
A
D
I
have
a
question
about
the
changes
we've
we've
put
through
in
terms
of
health
insurance.
It's
it's
my
understanding
that
staff
who
were
furloughed.
D
C
C
E
F
But
there's
another
category,
as
you
may
recall,
of
employees
which
included
management
and,
as
I
recall,
confidentials,
that
common
council
transitioned
not
as
a
function
of
furloughs,
but
simply
as
a
function
of
employment
from
indemnity
plan
to
platinum
plan
and
that
persists.
So
that,
I
believe,
is
the
answer
to
your
question.
Regarding
confidentials.
D
So
I
guess
I
guess
my
point
is
that
that
may
not
be
fair
to
support
staff
that
are
confidentials.
C
That's
what
I
was
going
to
say:
council
made
the
yes
council
made
the
decision
to
do
it,
and-
and
the
other
thing
to
to
say,
is
that
people
were
given
the
opportunity
to
stay
on
the
indemnity
plan,
but
there
was
a
they
had
to
pay
the
difference
between
the
platinum
plan
and
the
indemnity
plan
on
you
know.
D
Know
maybe
we
can
fix
that
later
in
the
near
future,.
H
F
Looking
forward
to
the
additional
staffing
that
common
council
had
added
budget-wise
to
our
budget
last
year
for
for
2020
and
we're
in
the
process
of
hiring
for
that
position,
when
the
pandemic
hit,
so
obviously
that
that
hiring
process
was
suspended,
as
was
the
whole
world.
And
we
are
keenly
aware
of
the
budgetary
constraints
that
the
city
is
operating
under
at
this
point
and,
of
course,
have
not
hired
for
that
position
as
a
result.
But
have
continued.
H
F
Juggle
a
as
you
also
know,
one
of
the
few
bright
spots
in
terms
of
municipal
activity
and
finances
this
year
for
the
city
was
development
and
that
new
staff
member,
that
new
halftime
assistant
city
attorney
that
common
council
funded
for
our
office
last
year,
was
targeted
specifically
at
handling
real
estate
and
land
use
law
issues.
So
that
has
continued
to
be
a
juggling
act
through
the
through
the
pandemic
and
and
that
will
I
expect
persist
for
some
time.
And
so
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
in
the
mayor's
budget.
F
B
Sure,
just
yeah
real
brief,
just
wanted
to
note
that
you
know
we
didn't
request
anything
above
the
mayor's
budget.
We
will
work
within.
You
know
what
the
mayor
has
proposed
in
his
budget
for
our
finance
department,
which
includes
the
chamberlain's
office
and
the
controller's
office.
B
It
is
painful,
but
the
pain
is
minimal
to
us
at
this
point
in
time
are
going
beyond
anything
beyond
what
is
proposed
would
be
very
difficult
for
us,
and
I
have
to
say
that
you
know
our
staff
has
worked
very
hard
through
these
very
difficult
times.
B
We
also
have
retirements
coming
up
in
the
near
future
and
we're
making
significant
changes
to
our
financial
system.
So
kudos
goes
to
jessica
she's
on
she's
on
the
zoom
meeting
tonight,
jessica
wright
for
her
hard
work
through
munis
changes
that
we're
working
through.
B
We
have
significant
changes
coming
up
in
the
next
year
or
so,
as
we
improve
our
our
financial
ability
and
efficiency
through
technology
and
then
also,
hopefully,
offering
the
community
better
service
through
easier
access
to
payments
and
of
bills
and
and
taxes
and
those
types
of
things
so
just
wanted
to
update
council
on
on
those
activities.
Otherwise,
you
know
no
real
issues
with
the
budget,
as
proposed.
A
I
J
Yeah,
so
I'm
jessica,
I'm
the
intern
chamberlain
right
now
and
we're
doing
appointments
only
right
now
for
specific
things
like
new
parking
permits
where
they
have
to
actually
physically
get
the
card,
so
they
had
to
come
in.
At
one
point
we
have
the
dropbox
outside,
which
is
something
we've
always
had,
but
we've
really
moved
a
lot
of
stuff
to
the
online
payments
and
encouraging
customers
to
do
everything
online,
which
is
actually
surprisingly
gone.
Very
well.
J
We've
made
some
small
adaptions,
but
it's
actually
been
great
and
with
our
new
software,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
have
all
the
tax
bills
and
the
water
bills
online
too,
which
we
don't
currently
have,
and
residents
are
really
looking
forward
to
that.
That's
going
to
make
it
a
lot
easier
for
us
in
our
office
and
for
the
residents
to
be
able
to
see
those
bills
whenever
they
want
to
nice.
J
A
A
L
No,
a
fairly
small
budget.
We
we
tried
to
trim
where
we
could,
including
the
executive
assistant,
moving
from
a
40-hour
work
week
down
to
a
32-hour
work
week
that
helped
us
reach
our
expense
reduction
goal
and
he's
been.
L
You
know
it
is
a
loss
for
annie
and
she
understands
that
the
dire
straits
of
the
cities
in
she's
been
okay
about
trying
it
and
and
hoping
that
we
can
keep
up
with
the
volume
we
can't
keep
up
with
the
bond,
but
hoping
we
can
do
our
best
and
restore
the
hours
next
year.
A
Okay,
so
how
do
we
want
to
tackle
capital
projects
I
feel
like,
since
we
had
a
pretty
s
big
meeting
related
to
it?
We
could
just
open
the
floor
for
questions
or
dan
if
there,
if
you
know,
if
there's
anything
that
has
maybe
I
don't
think
anything
has
changed
from
them
since
we
talked
about
them.
That
honestly
seems
like
five
years
ago,
but
it
was
just
a
couple
months
ago
we
talked
about
capital
projects,
but
does
anyone
have
any
lingering
questions
about
the
projects
that
have
been
included
in
this
year's
budget
dan.
M
M
I
know
we
can
talk
about
that
tomorrow
as
well,
but
that
is
for
the
to
get
going
on
buying
a
new
engine
for
the
fire
truck
for
the
fire
department
and
then
also
we
did
get
notified
from
the
federal
government
from
the
usdot
that
we
got
a
build
grant.
I
can't
remember
what
that
stands
for,
but
basically
it's
a
grant
to
study
modifications
to
the
route
13
corridor
from
the
city
line
down
to
purity
and
that
that's
a
50
50
match.
M
So,
while
it's
you
know,
I
think
we
got
1.3
million
or
something
like
that.
That
would
require.
If
we
went
for
that,
full
that
full
grant
match,
it
would
also
require
an
additional
1.3
million
dollars
from
the
city.
So
that's
just
something.
That's
sort
of
hanging
out
there
and
and,
like
I
said,
tim
could
probably
address
that
in
more
detail,
but
I
just
thought
you
should
all
be
aware
of
that.
M
Not
at
this
time
you
know
you
know,
as
you
recall,
we
can.
We
can
add
capital
projects
at
any
point
in
the
year
because
it
doesn't
have
an
impact
on
the
current
year's
operating
budget.
Usually
it
it
impacts
the
following
year,
but
it's
more
something
that
it's
it's
it's
it's
waiting
in
the
wings.
So
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
big
borrowing
that
that
could
be
coming
to
council
in
the
next
few
months,
if
not
early
in
2021,.
N
H
Yes,
the
way
that
the
grant
was
written
was
that
we
are
supposed
to
obligate
federal
funds
for
the
final
design
by
september
of
2022,
and
if
we
were
going
to
meet
a
timeline
like
that,
we
would
need
to
get
started
with
the
project
this
winter
pretty
much
immediately.
We
would
not
have
a
lot
of
time.
We
are
having
some
in
staff
discussions
about
ways
to
possibly
limit
the
scope.
H
That
would
maybe
reduce
the
final
engineering
component
of
it
and
maybe
do
more
of
a
planning
and
preliminary
engineering
study,
in
which
case
that
deadline
would
not
be
quite
as
tight,
but
we're
just
not
quite
there.
Yet.
We've
just
really
started
having
conversations
with
dot,
both
the
state,
dot
and
federal
highway
in
the
last
week,
or
two
trying
to
figure
out
how
this
is
gonna
work.
A
A
And
is
there
is
this
one
where
you
might
be
able
to
do
in
kind
rather
than
monetary,
like
staffing
time
or
any
of
those
pieces,
or
is
this
straight
up?
Matt
dollar
match
it's.
H
O
I
A
number
a
really
quick,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
thought
of
it.
I
know
we
just
touched
this
a
little
bit,
but
can
we
explore
further
what
the
impact
would
be
of
even
just
pausing
on
police
vehicles
for
a
year
while
we
work
on
reimagining
public
safety?
I
M
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
I
probably
can't
speak
very
well
about
it
other
than
to
say
that
it
really
was
us
trying
to
get
on
a
a
system
of
of
replacing
them
when
the
warranty
wore
out
so
that
we
could
get
maximum
salvage
value
for
the
vehicles,
because
they're
still
in
pretty
good
shape
and
then
and
then
buy
the
new
vehicles
on
state
contract
and
it
ends
up.
M
I
mean
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
much
it
ends
up
costing
us
versus.
You
know
whether
it's
a
break-even
proposition,
but
it
seemed
like
all
of
the
discussions
we
had
about
it
in
the
past
were
like
it
made
a
lot
of
financial
sense
to
do
it
this
way.
So
I
don't
know
steve
if
you
have
any
more
insight
than
that.
B
No,
not
really
that
you
know
that
pretty
much
sums
it
up
once
you
get
off
warranty,
the
vehicles
become
pretty
expensive
because
of
the
state
contract
costing
for
us
is
a
very
good
deal,
and
so,
if
we
are,
if
we're
able
to
sell
those
vehicles
or
turn
them
in
earlier
than
normal,
that
helps
us
generate
revenue
for
for
future
purchases.
B
A
O
B
Yeah,
so
we
just
started
this
program,
I
think
two
years
ago
or
last
year,
but
so
the
the
hope
is
that
in
roughly
three
to
four
years
that
we're
able
to
sell
these
vehicles,
we're
you
know
we're
hoping
to
get
all
this
all
the
vehicles
with
the
help
of
this
other
revenue
source
selling
these
vehicles
early
into
the
operating
budget.
So
we
no
longer
have
to
borrow
for
these
vehicles,
which
is
you
know,
a
little
bit
more
costly
with
bond
issuance
costs.
B
So
I
can't
give
you
the
exact
details
at
this
time,
but
you
should
start
to
see
a
reduction
in
the
need
for
expenses
in
this
area,
maybe
as
early
as
the
20,
definitely
the
2022
budget.
I
believe,
because
we're
going
to
start
seeing
some
of
those
earlier
vehicles
come
off
and
be
be
able
to
sell
those
earlier
than
normal.
I
Since
tim's
here
I
know
we
just
have
the
dpw
saying,
but
I
forget
the
details.
We
have
money
allocated
for
the
parking
study,
but
not
the
transportation
study.
I
think
it
was
125k
that
was
remaining
it's
a
great
interest
to
me
and
a
lot
of
people
I
hear
from
who
kind
of
regularly
cite
transportation
issues.
I
I
know,
maybe
in
a
way
right
now
is
like
the
worst
time
to
to
kick
that
off,
but
since
it
takes
a
while,
so
I
was
asking
about
the
police
cars
in
part,
because
if
it's
something
that
we'd
be
able
to,
you
know
help
offset
the
cost
of
a
transportation
study
right
now.
I
H
I
mean
right
now.
I
know
eric
has
worked
to
draft
a
scope
of
work
with
our
consultants,
I'm
not
sure
if
he
has
a
price
on
that
additional
scope
at
this
point
yet,
but
kind
of
internally
we've
been
talking
pretty
seriously
about
waiting
just
a
couple
months,
at
least
until
we
have
the
transportation
engineer
position
hired
just
from
staff
workload
right
now.
We
didn't
want
to
kick
off
a
big
city-wide
transportation
study
and
then
not
be
able
to
do
it
well
and
having
the
additional
staff
person
to
help
us
really
carry
that
ball.
H
We
thought
would
really
be
smart,
so
our
intent
would
be
to
come
back
probably
either
end
of
winter
or
early
spring,
with
that
price
and
request
for
that.
If
that
work-
and
maybe
maybe
it's
a
little
aggressive,
maybe
a
month
or
two
for
the
new
person
to
start
in
and
it's
early
summer,
but
that's
kind
of
what
we're
thinking.
A
M
Yeah
I
took
the
liberty
of
adding
in
george,
had
emailed
about
adding
an
additional
five
thousand
dollar
contribution
towards
the
county's
broadband
study.
So
I
put
that
on
the
list,
but
this
is
the
list
as
it
currently
stands.
There
are
seven
items
on
it,
one
one
which
is
a
capital
project,
690
000
and
then
all
the
others
are
impact.
The
operating
budget
one
is
a
reduction
and
then
the
other
five
are.
A
D
D
Well,
this
this
came
up
at
the
last
t-cog
meeting.
The
county
is.
D
D
This
coalition
is
a
non-profit
that
would
build
out
the
broadband
network
throughout
the
county,
including
mid
ma.
D
They
call
it
mid
mid
mile
last
mile
and
obviously
this
would
be
very
beneficial
to
rural
communities
and
people,
but
it
would
also
be
very
beneficial
to
us
because
what
it
would
do
it
would
have,
it
would
make
the
infrastructure
belong
to
this
non-profit
and
not
to
the
big,
the
big
companies
like
verizon
or
spectrum,
and
it
would
actually
allow
those
companies
to
compete
with
each
other
and
with
smaller
companies
and
the
idea
being
that
it
would
reduce
significantly
the
amount
of
money
people
spent
on
internet
in
the
in
the
city
and
obviously,
businesses
as
well.
D
I'm
asking
that
we
contribute
the
same
amount,
that
the
rural
townships
are
contributing,
which
is
five
thousand
dollars,
and
I
think
the
ithaca
city,
school
district,
district's
going
to
be
asked
to
contribute
to
obviously
it'd
be
great
for
us,
for
students
who
don't
have
access
to
to
good
computer
service,
and
that
would
be
in
the
city
as
well
as
out
in
the
boonies.
So
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
good
ask.
G
Graham
george
thanks,
so
what's
the
rationale
for
this
contribution,
so
it's
the
old
story
of
everyone
contributes
including
people
at
dryden,
the
city
and
other
communities.
They
pay
county
taxes,
so
they
couldn't
fit
this
in
the
county
budget
or,
what's
what's
the
reasoning
behind
the
the
kind
of
contribution
additional
contribution,
if
you
like
from
each
of
the
communities.
D
I
think
I,
and
maybe
somebody
from
the
county
legislature
could
answer
this
question
better
than
me,
but
I'm
thinking
it's
to
underscore
our
commitment
to
this
and
our
belief
that
it's
a
good
idea
and,
like
I
said
it's
going
to
benefit
city
city
residents
other
than
that
I
don't
know
anything
more
than
that.
D
D
A
Is
there
a
timeline
for
this?
I
didn't
see
any
particular
time
I
mean
this.
Is
such
a
it's,
a
small
amount
of
money,
so
if
we
ended
up
wanting
to
think
about
it
once
the
county
is
more
finalized
in
a
couple
months,
it's
something
that
could
just
come
through
city
administration
at
any
point,
unless
there's
some
kind
of
clock
ticking
on
this.
D
I
think
you're
right
deb
it
I
just
wouldn't
get
my
three
percent
commission.
If
we
had
to
wait.
A
Us
all
right
well,
we'll
see,
I
mean
it's,
it's
included
on
the
list.
If
it
doesn't
go
through
this
time,
it
doesn't
mean
that's
the
last
we
would.
We
would
want
to
talk
about
it.
It
sounds
like
something
the
county
needs
to
work
through
and
then
make
an
ask
where
we
need
to
have
some.
You
know
a
contract
or
information
or
something-
and
I
know
you
sent
a
lot
of
information
already
which
which
was
helpful,
but
it's
also
something
we
could
look
at
in
a
few
months
if
we
needed.
M
Again,
it
would
be
helpful
if,
especially
if
people
aren't
gonna,
I
know
I
know
there
was
some
discussion
about
whether
we
should
start
making
amendments
tonight
or
whether
we
should
wait
until.
M
After
the
public
hearing,
but
but
even
if,
if
we
don't
start
making
amendments
tonight,
it
would
be
good
to
know
if
people
are
going
to
have
any
questions
related
to
any
of
these.
That
will
help
them
make
up
their
minds.
M
M
A
P
And
remind
me,
was
that
salary
and
benefits
or
celery
only.
A
D
My
question
is
also
about
the
five
police
officer.
Positions
would
would
hire
hiring
not
immediately
but
like
in
three
months
or
in
six
months.
Would
that
reduce
the
expenditure.
B
Yeah
it
would,
depending
on
when
you
want
to
place
those
into
into
the
budget.
So,
yes,
it
would
make
a
change,
it
would
be
reduced.
D
So
like,
if
we,
if
we
subtracted
a
quarter
three
months,
would
that
cut
that
number
by
a
quarter.
O
So,
in
order
to
have
that
discussion,
it
would
be
good.
I
know
that
the
last
time
we
asked
this
question,
they
didn't
have
the
information
as
of
yet,
but
it
really
should
be
tied
to
when
the
the
training
is
initiated.
I
believe
the
training
that
is
preferred
has
been
on
hold
because
of
covid.
M
Yeah,
just
a
reminder,
too
that
that
one
of
the
hopes
of
the
of
the
police
department
is
that
they
would
be
hiring.
Some
of
these
people
would
be
lateral
transfers,
people
who
are
already
trained
and
police
officers
and
other
jurisdictions
who
would
not
necessarily
need
to
go
to
academy,
but
would
just
need
to
go
through
the
field.
Training
in
ithaca.
A
O
B
B
O
A
I
Yeah,
like
related
to
all
of
this,
so
I
think
because
we
relax
on
the
rules
of
the
civil
civil
service,
relaxing
rules.
We
had
a
record
number
of
applications,
and
so
I'm
I
guess,
I'm
just
trying
to
better
understand.
If
so,
if
we
don't
approve
additional
positions,
we
can't
take
advantage
of
any
of
those
application
applicants
or
are
there
other
retirements
or
openings,
that
impending
openings,
that
that
could
be
useful.
M
For
I
think
you,
you
will
definitely
be
able
to
hire
from
it
in
order
to
replace
retirements.
I
think
the
the
police
department
would
say
that
they
they
would
like
to
they're
already
running.
You
know
at
below
the
level
of
staffing
that
they
need
to
be
able
to
operate,
so
they
would
like
to
get
ahead
of
things,
but,
but
certainly
that
list
could
be
used
simply
to
replace
people
who
retire.
O
Can
confirm,
but
my
understanding
was
not
that
the
civil
service
rules
were
modified
but
that
we
opened
up
to
outside
the
region
that
we
had
previously
limited
to.
So
I
don't
think
the
standards
are
different
per
se.
C
We
did
not
relax
any
room,
we
waived
the
residency
we
we
had
an
open,
competitive
search.
G
Yeah
thanks
deb,
so,
given
that
we
saw
the
chief
on
earlier,
did
he
assume
we
were
talking
about
this
tonight?
I'm
just
thinking
I
mean
this
is
obviously
the
big
ticket
item
on
the
list
and
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
have
a
longer
conversation
tomorrow
night.
So
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we
either
have
the
questions
addressed
or
that
he
be
there
at
the
meeting
to
talk
about
that,
because
some
of
these
yeah.
A
He
was
there
for
city
administration
related
to
that.
All
we're
trying
to
do
right
now
is
get
a
handle
on
what
information
you
need
before.
We
go
into
actual
deliberations
for
for
tomorrow
night,
so
we
can
collect
these
questions
and
certainly
we'll
make
sure
that
the
chief
is
aware
that
it
would
be
better
for
him
to
be
present
tomorrow
night,
as
we
start
to
do
some
of
these
things,
so
it
really
kind
of
segues
into
my
next
question
that
I
was
going
to
ask
everybody
about
process.
A
Initially,
you
know
on
our
agenda.
We
said
we
could
possibly
start
moving
some
of
these
items
as
amendments
to
the
budget.
A
What
I
might
recommend
is
that
also,
since
we
have
a
public
hearing
tomorrow
night
as
well,
it
might
make
sense
to
go
through
the
public
hearing
and
then
just
start
fresh
tomorrow
in
making
the
modifications
to
the
budget.
Instead
of
digging
into
that
this
evening,
we
also
had
proposed
a
possible
ranking
of
the
list,
and
I
think
we
thought
that
that
might
be
necessary.
You
know
when
last
year
we
had,
you
know
30
plus
items
on
the
list
in
order
to
work
through
and
it
was
much
more
complicated.
We
felt
that
that
might
be
helpful.
A
I'm
not
feeling
like
we
need
to
complete
that
exercise
for
this
list,
but
it
was
suggested
by
several
of
you,
so
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
we
honored
that
suggestion
and
and
if
people
feel
like
you
want
to
do
some
sort
of
reorganization
or
ranking
of
which
ones
these
of
these
items.
We
tackle
I'm
still
open
to
doing
that,
but
I
feel
like
this
is
a
little
bit
more
manageable
and
reasonable
to
try
to
get
through
than
in
comparison
to
what
we
had
last
year,
but
I'm
open
to
suggestions.
K
Deb,
thank
you.
I
agree
that
this
is
a
shorter
list
to
look
at
than
the
list
we
were
contemplating
last
year.
There
are
some
big
ticket
items
and
some
items
that
will
require,
I
think,
robust
discussion.
So
I
I
would
agree
with
you.
I
don't
necessarily
see
a
need
to
rank
order,
but
I
do
appreciate
you
putting
that
out
there
as
an
option,
because
we
didn't
know
for
sure
at
the
outset
of
budget
season
what
the
list
would
look
like
and
now
we
do.
A
And
in
terms
of
any
kind
of
prioritizing,
I
assume
we
could
probably
separate
out
the
capital
item
and
maybe
handle
that
one
first,
because
that
has
a
just
a
different
impact
on
on
the
budget.
So
we
could.
You
know
we
could
look
at
the
capital
item
separately
and
then
work
through
the
other
items
on
the
list.
If
that
makes
sense
to
everyone
cynthia,
you
had
your
hand
up.
O
Express
my
agreement
with
your
your
proposal,
which,
of
course,
laura
did
very
eloquently.
K
Yeah,
I
do
have
a
just
a
clarification
on
the
outreach
worker,
so
we're
looking
at
an
increase
of
five
thousand
dollars
and
that
would
put
the
outreach
worker
funding
at
sixty
five
thousand
dollars
for
the
year.
Is
that
correct.
A
Yes,
there
was
some
oddity
in
what
happened
when
we
funded
it
last
year
versus
the
con,
the
amount
that
came
through
on
the
contract.
So
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
put
in
equally
to
the
county,
which
was
65
000,
but
when
we
passed
our
budget
last
year,
somehow
we
put
in
60,
but
then
the
contract
had
65..
A
D
B
Right,
the
the
contract
had
just
come
in
in
the
last
few
weeks
when
it
came
in
and
I
saw
it
at
65.
I
raised
the
flag
because
it
didn't
make
sense
to
me
so,
but
all
parties
approved
it.
So
the
county
is
also
at
65,
and
so
is
the
city
for
2020
and
also
2021.
B
M
A
A
Okay,
so
before
we
adjourn
and
give
ourselves
a
short
meeting
tonight,
knowing
that
tomorrow
will
be
a
long
meeting,
because
we
also
have
a
public
hearing,
what
additional
information
do
you
need
in
order
for
us
to
start
amending
the
budget
moving
and
amending
the
budget
tomorrow
night,
I
heard
we
definitely
want
to
make
sure
the
chief
is
here
for
tomorrow.
We
want,
if
any,
if
there's
any
clarification
to
the
community
outreach
worker
funding
we'll
work
on
getting
that
george
did,
I
see
your
hand
again.
D
This
is
just
a
suggestion.
Would
it
save
time
tomorrow
if
we
dealt
with
the
fire
pumper
capital
project
tonight.
A
N
Yeah
just
a
a
question
for
dan,
maybe
as
a
reminder
in
the
boxes
in
the
upper
right
corner
of
this
list,
the
one
in
the
upper
right
it
looks
like
that
has
maybe,
with
the
exception
of
the
capital
project,
those
numbers
incorporate
all
of
the
things
we've
added
to
the
list.
Correct.
M
Yeah
that
this
this
this
section
up
here,
the
the
if,
if
we
approved
everything
that
we
that
is
not
currently
labeled
no
right
in
this
column,
then
it
would
be
an
additional
20
cents
on
the
tax
rate
or
an
or
a
total
tax
levy
change
of
9.05.
M
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
This
is
backtracking
a
bit
and
I
apologize
for
that.
But
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
fire
department.
K
The
narrative,
the
chiefs
farci's
narrative,
indicated
that
there
will
be
retirements
in
2021
and
the
department
will
be
hiring
five
firefighters
in
early
2021.
What
what
is
the
budget
implication
there
do?
You
know
steve
and
I
apologize
again
for
not
asking
this.
K
K
Sure
the
chief
parsons
indicated
that
the
mayor's
budget
continues
all
firefighter
and
officer
positions,
except
for
two
firefighters
and
one
deputy
fire
chief.
During
the
hiring
freeze
and
several
retirements
in
2021.
The
department
will
be
hiring
five
firefighters
in
early
2021,
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
is
reflected
in
the
budget.
B
Yes,
I
believe
he
reflected
all
the
retirements
that
he
was
aware
of
at
the
time
of
putting
together
this
proposed
budget
for
next
year.
P
Yeah
everything's
accounted
for
as
far
as
our
dissipative
vacancies
that
we
come
into
the
end
of
this
year
and
we
we
do
need
to
hire
those
five.
We
have
shifts
that
will
be
short
of
staff
and
that
will
be
paying
overtime
parts
of
the
year
to
cover
them
until
those
personnel
get
hired
and
trained
and
put
on.
P
K
A
Okay,
great
dan,
it
probably
would
make
them
have
leslie
here
as
well,
because
we
have
an
item
on
there
for
yeah
right.
M
Yeah
yeah
I've
already
invited
all
the
department,
heads
and
I've
I've
had
conversations
with.
I
know
dennis
is
going
to
be
here
for
sure.
Okay,
I'm
sure
that
leslie
is
as
well
I'm
sure
she's
already
planning
to.
A
Okay,
great
and
then
tomorrow
morning,
we'll
open
the
process
for
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
get
a
sense
of
how
many
people
will
have
that
will
want
to
speak
at
that
for
tomorrow
and
we'll
start
we'll
move
the
budget
and
we'll
start
making
our
amendments
tomorrow
evening.
So
unless
there
is
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order,
oh
dan.
M
Yeah,
can
I
stop
the
share
first
of
all,
oh
yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
tomorrow,
not
tomorrow
afternoon,
at
4
30.
There
is
as
part
of
the
reinventing
reenvisioning
public
safety.
There
is
a
forum
with
former
attorney
general
of
new
jersey
yeah.
I
think
she
was
the
attorney
general
of
new
jersey,
ann
milgram
and
she's
going
to
be
talking
about
the
work
that
they
did
in
new
jersey,
camden,
new
jersey
and
re
doing
the
public
safety
process
there.
M
So
maybe
you've
heard
her
on
preet
bharara,
but
she's
like
she's
a
real
celebrity.
So
that's
at
4
30
tomorrow,
right
before
our
our
meeting.
O
Just
a
fallout
for
dan
for
people
who
are
watching
and
would
like
to
know
how
to
access
that
that
presentation
is
it
on
the
city
website.
Will
there
be
some
kind
of
posting
that
people
can
look
up
if
they'd
like
to
watch
that
tomorrow.
M
You
you
can
definitely
get
there
on
the
it's
it's
on
the
is
it
on
the
cities
or
the
counties
youtube.
That's
a
good
question.
Definitely
on
the
county
public
safety.
There
it's
listed
there,
I'm
not
sure
if
the
city's
website
has
been
updated,
but
the
reinventing
public
safety
on
the
county's
website
has
all
of
the
forums
links
to
the
past
forums,
as
well
as
tomorrow's
forum.
L
A
Lucky
good,
all
right,
so
I
saw
a
motion
from
graham
and
a
second
from,
even
of
course
to
adjourn,
so
we
are
basically
adjourning
until
we
see
each
other
again
in
a
few
short
hours
to
finalize
the
budget.
So
all
right
make
sure
if
you
have
any
questions
that
you
send
them
as
soon
as
possible
to
dan
and
I
tomorrow
morning,
so
we
can
round
up
information.
So
we
can
have
tomorrow
be
as
smooth
as
we
can
with
the
information.
We
need
all
right.
Everybody
in
favor
of
adjourning.