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B
Okay,
so,
according
to
order
3,
30
and
similar
to
the
fact
that
we
have
a
state
of
emergency,
we
are
going
to
be
running
this
meeting
as
a
hybrid
meeting
with
remote
participation
by
committee
members
to
enable
that
we
need
to
vote
by
the
community
to
allow
that.
So
everyone
in
favor,
of
allowing
remote
participation.
B
Are
there
any
other
issues
or
deletions
or
changes?
Okay,
and
is
there
any
public
comments
or
if
we
received
there,
you
know
all
right
if
you
have
any
minutes
from
February
14th
of
each
year
any
amendments,
and
it's
of
anybody
minutes
no
one
great
motion
to
pass
through
minutes.
Thank
you
now
seconded
bye.
Second
yeah.
B
So
that
we
have
two
main
agenda
items
today,
one
is
to
review
the
economic
development
funding
applications
and
discuss
our
recommendations
for
the
iora
agency
board,
which
is
in
the
weekend
next
week,
and
then
we
have
a
discussion
on
the
density,
District
party,
business,
known
fund
and
Tom
knife,
and
it
was
going
to
join
us
for
that.
We
might
be
online
already.
B
They
discussed
eia's
recommendations.
So
first,
let's
talk
about
the
Ed
funding,
applications
and
I
know
Donna.
You
had
a
chance
to
go
to
the
ni
meeting
as
well
right
so
good.
So
we'll
have
it
well
on
that
and
Chuck.
You
send
some
comments
which
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
fully
look
at
earlier
today
as
well
right
yeah.
So
do
you
actually
want
to
start
with
sort
of
your
observations
and
then
from
Donna
from
the
ni
committee,
and
then
we
can
see
where
we
are.
C
Okay,
so
so
I
endeavored
to
to
to
at
least
sort
of
compare
and
contrast,
the
Workforce
Development
projects
from
a
cost
Effectiveness
standpoint
and.
C
It
it
looked
to
me
as
though
the
the
giac
project
gave
us
the
best
bang
for
the
buck
now
I'm,
not
commenting
on
the
quality
of
the
three
of
them,
because
I'm
not
equipped
to
do
that
and
and
they
have
different
constituencies,
there
is
some
overlap,
but
but
certainly
not
completely,
I.
Think
my
my
overarching
comment
really
had
to
do
with.
How
do
these
folks
evaluate
the
you
know
the
projects
after
the
fact,
as
opposed
to
just
waving
them
goodbye
and
good
luck
and
to
what
degree?
C
There
was
some
some
comments
about
he's
looking
to
to
to
evaluate
the
the
effectiveness,
but
my
feeling
was
that
they
they
should
be
doing
more
quantitatively
about
who
is
still
employed.
Let's
say
a
year
after
they've
been
placed,
and
that
may
involve
maintaining
contact
with
whomever
employed
them
initially
anyway,
so
that
they
can
report
back
as
to
how
it
worked
out.
C
I
and
I
had
a
question
on
the
on
Ithaca
reuse.
The
2022
project
of
62
000
was
awarded,
but
apparently
project
has
not
started.
Yet.
How
does
that
impact
the
current
application?
Is
there
no
overlap?
Should
you
know,
should
we
see
how
the
the
2022
works
out?
Do
you
have
any
more
through
visibility
into
that
and
did
is
it?
Does
it
matter.
C
But
just
just
putting
a
a
bow
on
this
sort
of
it
looked
like
in
the
ReUse
write
up,
it
looked
like
it
was
about
17,
000
and
change
per
job.
Historic
Ithaca
was
about
11
000
per
job
placement.
Sorry,
thirty,
six
thousand
dollars
a
job
and
giac
was
twelve
thousand
per
job,
so
in
just
in
terms
of
you
know
that,
on
its
face,
Jack
looked
like
they
were
getting
more
bang
for
the
buck.
But
those
were
my
comments.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
and
and
I
think
I
mean
this
is
very
qualitative.
Who
knows
speak
in
China
right
but
I
think
generally,
probably
historically,
because
working
with
the
most
difficult
population
to
get
into
jobs
and
it'll
be
used
to
play
number
two
and
then
giac
probably
is
subtracting
the
most
close
to
job
reading
candidates
right
right,
I.
A
Think
that's
probably
a
fair
statement,
although
there's
always
nuances
because
Finger
Lakes
reuse
it
as
some
of
the
program
lately
earmarked
where
people
were
returning
from
incarceration
yeah,
which,
as
extra
challenges
for
placement
and
but
giac,
has
ended
to
be
more
working
already
has
helped.
They
don't
provide
deep
need,
excitements
or
work
experience,
it's
kind
of
short-term
producing
it,
so
they
may
be
viewed
as
more
closer
to
job
ready
than
others.
A
It's
up
to
compare
and
contrast,
though,
because
I
did
I
do
think
that
his
organic
works
with
participants
will
put
up
multiple
areas
for
employment
and
oftentimes.
It's
their
their.
D
B
Had
them
in
the
meetings
this
past
couple
of
weeks
like
we
didn't,
listen
to
them,
describe
the
zapping
ratios
per
participant
at
historical,
competitive
English
we
use
and
then
compared
to
agency,
which
is
really
just
for
the
most
part,
a
classroom,
training
program
with
some
coaching
and
kind
of
ongoing
support
right,
whereas
the
others
you
have
Hands-On
support.
A
lot
of
people
are
in
the
office
right
kind
of
thoughts.
E
Doesn't
know
what
you
say
is
consistent
with
what
I
heard
before
it's
the
Charlie
hard
to
compare
the
client
base.
I
still
have
a
hard
time,
distinguishing
between
between
the
two
historical
programs.
One
is
in
our
green
bucket,
and
one
is.
E
Always
a
hard
time
distinguishing
between
those
two
programs
and
I
guess
one
other
Factor.
The
further
competition
we'll
be
talking
about
is
the
quality
of
the
job,
and
if
somebody
gets
a
full-time
job
payment,
free
they're,
going
to
be
better
off
in
the
long
run
with
somebody
getting
a
full-time
data
mentality.
I
would
think
am
I
mistaken
about
that.
It's.
D
A
E
Were
in
jobs
match
up
with
their
interests
program
so
and
in
in
the
ni
group
the
other
day.
E
That
somebody's
gonna
use
the
shared
kitchen
and
religion
who
processing
person.
It's
really
I
mean
it's
important
enough.
I
appreciate
it's
hard
enough
for
a
well-funded
person
to
make
it
in
the
restaurant
world,
so
I
think
we
should
look
at
that
pretty
closely
I.
Think
well,
I
just
didn't
answer
yeah!
That's
right!
We're.
E
The
time
well,
I
was
going
to
say
that
the
food
incubator
slash
commercial
kitchens.
E
I
I
have
the
least
concerns
about
that
one
just
having
having
seen
and
work
directly
with
the
demand
for
that
kind
of
a
facility,
whether
it'll
produce
as
many
jobs
as
we'd
like
to
see
that
I
think
we
don't
have
an
answer
to
yet
well.
I,
don't
I
think
just
because
there's
demand
as
I
mean
it's
realistic
demand.
E
A
A
B
A
A
A
Other
metrics,
under
the
job
creation
we
could
ask
them
about.
You
know
what
what
what
they
would
identify
as
their
goals
for
sales
or
or
survivability
come
or
you
know
where
they
are
in
the
process,
because
it
is
more
like
an
incubator
space
for
for
many,
and
there
would
be
others
who
are
utilizing
it
to
generate
revenue,
scalers
and
professional
events
or
apartment
Market.
Venues
would
be
examples
of
that.
B
Video
yeah
I
mean
in
my
sense
and
I
know.
You
know
this
Market
better
deny
you
Leslie
is
that
yeah?
The
distinction
here
is
like
then,
here
we're
talking
specifically
about
LMI,
but
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
fall
under
that
umbrella
of
LMI,
who
don't
need
the
Readiness
and
skills
training
to
get
a
job
right
they
just
sometimes
by
the
very
nature
that
they're
working
at
trying
to
create
a
group
exists.
They
are
right,
correct.
E
B
That
it's
not
realistic!
No,
but
it
is
realistic,
because
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
just
sort
of
centralize
and
create
a
centralized
space.
First
of
all
where
that
support
can
be
provided
right
and
then
amortize
the
cost
of
that
space
into
one
page
right,
whereas
right
now
they're
trying
to
do
it,
whatever
Cooperative
Extension.
B
And
in
some
ways
to
me
this
is
less
about
the
other
way
I'm
differentiate.
These
right
is,
in
the
other
three
we're
really
sort
of
thinking
about
the
individuals
who
are
benefiting
from
the
programs
and
then,
of
course,
the
net.
Hopefully,
the
net
reduction
and
other
social
services
caused
by
having
these
individuals
employed
and
work,
whereas
this
one
I
see
this,
as
this
should
actually
be
growing.
Our
economy.
E
B
A
net
positive
kind
of
way
by
generating
additional
businesses
that
can
do
business
in
Indica
right.
So,
yes,
we
have
to
have
this
LMI
indicator
right
because
of
so
easy
money
right.
But
if
you
took
that
lens
off
of
it,
you
would
say:
well,
you
know.
Is
there
a
value
at
Ira
in
terms
of
kind
of
creating
that
economic
activity?
I
would
say
there
is.
A
Migrant-Based
businesses
that
the
intended
to
assist
with
a
program,
so
that's
one,
that
your
company,
small
businesses,
are
going
to
use
the
facility,
but
we
would
have
to
create
our
other
standards.
You
know
of
what
we
would
be
looking
for,
we're
asking
them
to
report
on
what
they
think
are
objective
measures
that
we
feel
success
would
be
the
other
with
asking
them
to
say.
Probably
how
do
you
make
a
success,
but.
A
E
B
So
what
everyone
should
have
in
front
of
you
that,
because
they
can't
read
today
so
that
neighborhood
investment
committee
did
meet
last
week
and
did
a
pushed
out
on
all
of
our
imaginations
and
that
typically
is
a
process.
And
then
that
way
you
have
that
in
your
diet.
You
don't
need
to
accept
nih's
recommendations.
B
We
can
bring
our
own
recommendations,
but
they,
it
looks
here
that
they
are
recommending
to
remind
looks
like
we
use
how
to
reduce
rate
history,
HTTP
and
reduce
range
share,
kitchen
and
reduce
rate,
nothing
for
the
black
man's
Universal
apprenticeship
program
and,
of
course,.
E
Carl
started
everybody
off
with
this
premise
that
he
would
most
like
to
support
programs
that
support
homeownership
that
was
kind
of
his
find
a
guy
named
principal.
But
and
then
he
talked
everybody
through
his
recommendations,
and
they
were
just
a
little
bit
of
nibbling
back
and
forth
on
those
I
think
he
kind
of
wanted
to
give
a
little
bit
to
everybody.
E
They
were,
and
some
of
us
disagreed
and
thought
it
might
be
more
efficient
to
give
more
to
maybe
eliminate
a
few
entirely
and
then
give
more
money
to
people
whose
organizations
that
can
make
more
use
of
it
and
I
think
I'm
in
the
ladder.
Camp
I,
don't
really
see
the
point
of
spreading
it
all
out.
Well,
if
somebody
only
gets
a
little
bit,
oh
and
then
for
one
of
them
it
was
Anisa
who
pointed
out
that
we
can
give
them
a
loan
and
that
we
have
a
lot
of
money.
A
It
has
to
go
through
a
couple
of
rounds
well
at
least
one
competitive
applications
to
be
reasonable.
So
what
we've
done
in
the
past
years
is
we've
made
a
funding
commitment
for
exam
projects.
If
they're
successful,
we
we
seek
to
invert
that
to
a
next
year's
City
to
home
funds,
but
it
gives
them
the
ability
to
apply
knowing
that
they
have
a
funny
command
or
what's
important
for
their
application
process.
So,
but
it
should
be
considered
as
kind
of
a
if
there's
acceptable
or
pre-approval
for
an
engineer's
fund
is
the
way
to
think
about
it.
A
I
think
so.
It's
a
bridge
alone
that
if,
in
a
worst
case
scenario,
we'd
have
to
provide
money
from
Hodag,
but
because
there's
very
little
chance,
they
would
ever
expend
the
funds
before
we
develop
the
next
year
action
plan.
We
can
provide
that
short-term
Bridge
running
through
them
in
and
take
it
out
with
cdvg
our
own
funds
next
year.
B
B
And
what's
the
latest
from
staff,
what's
the
latest
on
attp's
backlog.
A
A
Amazing,
very
good
practice
on
stand
down
so
in
their
worksheet
areas.
Behind
the
spreadsheet
are
two
things
one
is
which
kind
of
similar
to
what
interpreters
reporting
to.
We
did
kind
of
an
analysis
of
the
three
different
Doctrine
and
fisherman
programs
on
their
on
their
their
goals
in
their
actual
job
creation.
Over
the
last
I,
don't
know,
10
years
almost
eight
years
and
their
average
cost
per
job
placement
over
that
time
period,
which
shows
that
giac
and
finger
electrons
are
pretty
close.
A
You
know,
in
terms
of
it
around
seven
to
eight
thousand
dollars
per
job
placement
on
average,
and
it's
working
that
is
higher
end
of
working
over
14
000
for
their
jobs
and
again
working
with
different
different
participants,
but
in
terms
of
spend
down
in
that
sheet,
with
the
a3g
and
the
common
room
side
to
show
that
the
current
unexpected
balances
of
all
three
programs
are
listed
in
problem
C,
but
they're
all
between
60
and
75
000.
A
A
If,
if
the
agency
were
interested
in
funding,
their
application
at
a
forward
requested
amounts.
What
would
be
the
minimal
amount
necessary
to
provide
in
the
2023
action
plan
because
they
do
have
some
funds
available
to
spend
there's
a
little
bit
more
complicated
when
you
start
thinking
about
when
they
ask
you
to
access
the
money,
but
still
it's
it's
a
reasonable
way
to
look
at
it
because
most
of
these
programs,
they
don't
generate
until
two
or
three
months
after
the
program
initials
before
they
start
the
program
either.
A
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
time
before
when
they
incur
costs
and
when
they
bill
us.
So
there
are
some
opportunities
for
some
inductions
and
still
allowing
them
to
provide
their
full
kind
of
program.
The
the
one.
D
B
B
Would
you
could
then
put
some
chords
out
and
we
thought
there
was
Merit
to
do
so
or
whichever
one
in
column,
G
or
all
of
them
in
common
G
and
felt
like
well,
we
didn't
want
to
bring
them
this
close
to
the
edge
we
wanted
to
give
them
a
little
bit
more
cushion.
You
can
still
get
along
with.
B
A
A
Account
essentially
over
these
years,
especially
after
covet
and
some
of
them
weren't
able
to
implement
at
the
same
speed
they
were
doing
in
their
prior
years.
So
I
think
there
is
an
ability
to
reduce
the
funding
to
some
degree
and
still
have
those
programs
to
afford
they
get
higher
in
tighter.
In
terms
of
you
know
the
clock
and
managing
them
being
funded
fully
for
their
programs,
but
there.
B
E
E
E
E
C
C
B
B
E
It's
not
clear
that
getting
less
one
year
or
more
another
year
has
been
the
direct
driver
of
how
many
people
they
were
able
to
serve
how
many
job
placements
they
were
able
to
accomplish
the
one.
A
C
Finger
Lakes
reused
is
was
2022
a
different
program,
the
fact
that
they
hadn't
started
it
is
that
just
covid,
or
is
it
also
the
fact
that
most
of
their
applicants
are
are
hired
in-house
as
opposed
to
placed
elsewhere
so
for
to
what
degree,
or
are
we
looking
specifically
at
Finger,
Lakes
reuses,
delayed
use
of
of
those
funds
from
last
year?
You
know:
are
they
going
to
use
them
this
year
in
in
the
program
for
which
they're
now
applying.
A
Barely
gotta
jump
on
it,
because
when
we
program
the
2021
funds
to
provide
the
job
retention
loan,
so
they
had
to
go
to
2022
a
little
bit
earlier
than
somebody
orders,
but
they
they,
you
know,
have
you
had
to
show
a
job
placements,
but
they've
turned
and
implemented
that
program
in
2022,
funded
activity,
so
I,
don't
think
they're
all
kind
of
in
a
similar
situation
in
some
respect,
when
we
started
in
2022
and
yeah
I'm,
not
sure
it's
hard
to
make
clear
conclusions
about
the
programs
in
our
progress
right
now,
because
they're
kind
of
the
first
round
after
the
pandemic
as
well,
that
makes
it
more
sales.
A
B
Before
we,
unless
you
had
something
else
on
that,
I
thought,
maybe
we
just
you
know
a
few
minutes
on
black
hands
Universal,
so
we
just
build
a
full
set
things
that
we
can
come
back
to
we,
but
did
you
want
to
add
anything
on
this
topic
or
kind
of
the
drawdown
a
bit?
No,
not
much
fun
yeah.
So
can
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
blackhands
Universal?
This
is
the
second
time
they've
come
to
us.
B
It's
the
first
time,
they're
coming
as
a
cdbo,
so
now
they're
eligible
for
economic
development
funding
and
it's
not
recommending
on
them.
I
mean
I,
had
a
quick
sidebar
conversation
with
Carl
about
their
application
and
I
think
we
both
were
a
little
unsure
again
about
how
does
it
how
we're
not
duplicating
Services?
Essentially,
if
there's
a
program
compared
to
other
programs,
we
already
have
like
at
the
same
time,
yeah
I
am
intrigued
to.
B
A
Did
one
the
program
under
the
public
service
category
last
year?
12
000
is
a
number
eight
hundred
they
will
be
just
or
started
to
get
rolling
on
our
program
through
the
cdpg
funding
right
into
Universal
indicates
that
they
have
been
doing
the
same
work
that
they've
been
going
to
do
kind
of
informally
or
with
alternative
one
resources,
and
had
some
success
with
placements
into
the
years
said.
The
model
here
in
five
placements
I
think
yeah.
A
B
Well,
yeah
I
never
had
I
had
some
back
and
forth
with
him.
Before
the
time
I
ran
out
like
I'm,
trying
to
understand
the
numbers
in
the
application,
because
I
think
it
was.
It
was.
A
A
E
Yeah
I
think
that
lack
of
clarity
is
my
biggest
challenge
with
them.
You
can
conceptually
I
like
the
idea,
as
Chris
said
of
you,
know
a
different
partner
and
doing
something
that's
a
little
directed
in
a
different
area,
and
that
certainly
is
a
place
that
needs
more
more
qualified
Personnel
to
tackle
the
the
construction
needs.
E
A
You
have
to
have
a
minor
kind
of
questions
joining
a
union
equal
job
corporation.
We
don't
know
that
we
have
to
do
a
little
research
in
that
question.
It
seems
like
it
leads
you
there,
but
if
you're
the
last
on
the
bench,
often
as
people
with
seniority,
so
who's
more
important.
B
D
E
E
I
should
have
made
a
site
visit
here
to
see
what
they
do
and
how
they
meet,
and
that
kind
of
thing
they
also
got
money
from
the
city
of
Ithaca
I.
Think
in
this
year
and
I,
don't
see
that
noted
here
and
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
who's
monitoring
that
and
how
they're
accountable
for
that
so
I
think
there's
just
too
many
open
unanswered
questions
to
grant
them
funding
this
year.
B
E
B
E
A
Sure
yeah
I
mean,
and
he
sort
of
encourage
them
to
applicants
to
meet
with
her
prior
to
that
lines
or
to
review
their
draft
applications
or
discuss
the
application.
So
I
think
some
of
the
clarity
could
be
added.
At
that
point
we
also
usually
in
August
kind
of
do
another
reach
out
to
any
of
that
have
been
identified
by
I'm.
A
Would
historically
directly
go
about
that?
You
know
because
you
don't
know,
maybe
you
know
every
day
is
a
better
way,
but
you
know
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
the
right
answer
that
question
I
mean
we're
really
more
providing
as
a
funder.
What
kind
of
assistance
can
we
provide,
rather
than
how
you
strength
in
your
program.
B
Yeah
I
mean
like
what
we
did
with
John
policy
books
right
about
five
thousand
dollars.
I
understand
it
gives
you
money
so
that
they
can
get
a
business
consultant
to
kind
of
come
in
and
come
up
with
a
concept
that
they
could
actually
get
done
because
right
and
then
we
spend
5000
or
something
on
a
shared
kitchen.
Visibility
started
there
right.
It's
like
they
almost
kind
of
need.
Five
thousand
dollars.
E
A
B
But
if
you
could
figure
out
a
way
to
kind
of
speed
up
a
little
bit
of
money,
so
someone
could
work
with
them
and
I,
don't
know
yeah
the
Consultants
who
do
different
work,
but
you
could
sit
down
and
say
right.
This
is
actually
our
cbdg
program
runs.
Maybe
they're
asking
me
to
do
that.
This
is
what
did
we
right
line
up
these
Partners,
but.
E
B
You
need
to
go
before
you've
had
in
hand
right,
because
this
is
one
of
the
most
rigorous
funding
sources
that
they
could
go
after
right.
They
they
push
everybody,
that's
right.
So
if
you
set
up
your
systems
right,
your
your
program,
you
know
impact
measurement
systems.
Your
account
is
literally
we're
talking
about
right.
It's
set
up
a
healthy,
not-for-profit
right,
leading
the
US
government
standards
are
going
to
be
pretty
much
the
highest.
A
Some
ways
the
the
wellness
grants,
which
was
a
covered
Grant
and
awarded
to
black
hands
Universal.
What
does
this
smoothie
and
yeah
summer
you've
been
employing
in
kind
of
for
that
program?
We've
been
working
with
them
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
vultures
are
meeting
Federal
standards
and
they're.
You
know
they're
they're
going
to
cost
documentation
is
there
there
have
been
some
challenges
along
the
way,
because
you
know
me
and
youth
is
different.
We
have
no
paid
your
time.
You
can't
clear
it
in
the
chair.
A
You
know
what
the
bank
the
same
way,
the
other
ones,
but
I
think
that
you
know,
we've
kind
of
been
that's,
probably
been
strengthening
their
ability
to
understand
some
of
those
regulations
that
would
apply
to
any
program
because
they're
moving
the
reception,
the
city
funding,
might
be
a
tool
that
could
help
with
that
kind
of
stock
price
using
their
allegation.
But
I,
don't
know
what
the
expectation
economic
muscle
was
for
the
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
Egypt
the
last
few
years
or
by
Andrew.
B
Okay,
so
for
the
moment,
I
guess
we're
gonna
put
that
to
the
side,
okay
right.
So
that
brings
us
back
to
the
others.
We
have
any
debate
on
the
economic
development
when
we
fund
or
do
we
end.
B
Yeah
yeah
I
think
that's
always
just
been
kind
of
well
most
years,
our
Baseline
that
many
of
us
is
concerned.
You
know
something
to
work
with
during
the
course
of
the
year,
all
right
so
then
I
just
would
like
to
understand.
Maybe
not
if
you
remember
the
calculation
of
how
and
I
gained
the
32
500
for
the
shared
kitchen
as
opposed
to
47
800.
Is
that
being
like
100
point
out
either
rent
subsidies
for
the
technical
assistance,
or
is
it
simply,
you
know
we're
just
going
to
produce
it
by
x
amount
do.
E
A
Wasn't
a
part
of
that
meeting
and
I
sure
got
100
of
you
expected
on
this?
One
like
we
remember
that
there
was
some
enhanced
value
View
for
the
the
subsidy
for
at
least
the
least
rate
versus
the
technical
assistance
component.
I
mean
that
was
that
was
stronger
and
support
of
that,
but
I
believe
it
was
primarily
just
a
scaling.
B
Of
available
funds
yeah,
because
I
would
be
inclined
my
perfect
well,
we
found
that
as
a
first
time
applicant
to
get
this
thing
off
the
ground
and
recognize
some
of
these.
Other
agencies
potentially
have
more
money
than
they
need,
and
we
need
to
scale
them
down
a
little
bit
more
I
mean
we're
only
talking
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
B
E
D
E
A
A
B
B
B
Because
it's
a
first
year
program,
but
we've
never
seen
before
it
is
a
different
type
of
use
than
the
other
three
which
are
all
I
would
say
in
the
same
category.
I
think
it
has
this
broader
Economic
Development
agenda
attached
to
it
and
I
actually
think
I
mean
to
this
point.
I
sat
down,
I
actually
didn't
want
to
get
deployed.
D
B
Than
these
other
three
right
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
continue
to
kind
of
build
up
the
balances
in
the
other
three,
and
so
that's
my
thinking
and
Strikes
me
that
the
grand
scheme
of
frame,
72,
000
15,
is
relatively
modest,
and
if
this
network
was
simply
just
oh,
let's
just
try
to
scale
the
numbers,
then
I
would
be
like.
Well,
if
that's
true
to
the
scale,
but.
E
In
a
different
way,
okay,
I
think
I,
like
I,
would
agree
with
your
rationale,
but
and
I
would
also
say
that,
for
me,
the
impact
of
the
other
three
programs
is
clear
and
we
like
that
they've
continued
to
do
good
work,
but
there
is
an
untried
and
potentially
I
would
suggest
the
potential
for
a
lot
bigger
impact
dollar
per
dollar
in
getting
a
thriving
Food,
Kitchen
incubator
up
and
running
and
going
because
it
isn't
limited.
You
know
these.
B
Right,
the
other
thing
I,
think
you're
saying
which
I
hadn't
thought
about,
but
I
think
they're
saying
is
because
this
is
a
startup.
The
risk
of
underfunding,
it
is
greater
than
these
three
programs
have
been
well
established.
Have
momentum
know
how
to
adapt
to
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
less,
but.
B
B
Yeah,
we
know
what
the
average
private
Capital
here
as
well,
which
rarely
do
we
have
the
opportunity
to
leverage
you
know
obviously
private
Capital
when
we're
talking
about
these
kinds
of
products.
Yes,
what
we're
talking
about
going
to
the
garage
with
you,
but
so
yeah?
Those
are
a
couple.
Other
reasons
like
I
would
be
willing
to
take
a
higher
risk
on
this
one.
You
know
as
a
first-time
applicant.
E
B
B
B
Talking
about
you
not
just
restaurants
and
Catering,
but
packaged
Foods
right.
So
it's
at
that
potential
which,
because
that
industry
is
difficult
like
if
we
can
make
an
investment
as
a
community,
create
a
capacity
to
make
it
easier
to
get
into
that
business.
We
increase
the
likelihood
of
success
of
that
that
can
be
part
of
our
economy
growing
right,
whereas
the
other
three
are
really
a
really
important
social
function
of
getting
people
into
very
improving
jobs.
Right.
D
D
C
What
was
was
Tom
supposed
to
be
providing
some
input
here,
there's
some
facts
that
we're
missing
here:
I'm
and
I'm,
struggling
with
how
to
get
the
facts
out
on
the
table.
A
B
B
Look
at
that
in
that
aggregate
right,
rather
than
looking
at
you
know
a
specific
business
here
in
specific
groups,
there
I
would
be
interested
in
saying
okay
in
two
years,
is
this
organization
fully
sustainable
on
its
own
right,
generating
its
own
cash
flow
in
terms
of
surpluses
as,
however,
this
instruction
we
have
a
transient
a
farmer's
market,
but
it
hasn't
sponsored
and
secondarily
how
to
admit
its
targets.
For
you
know,
business,
incubation
and
creation
and
the
community.
Those
are
the
things
I
would.
B
E
I,
like
those
metrics
I,
think
one
of
the
things
I
would
point
out
is
that
these
aren't
apples
and
apples.
The
outcomes
for
the
anticipants
right.
The
objective
of
the
job,
training
and
placement
programs
is
to
get
or
ideally
to
get
those
participants
into
full-time
jobs
of
various
findings
with
various
entities.
Those
might
not
even
be
the
starting
objectives
of
the
entrepreneurs
who
take
advantage
of
the
kitchen
incubator.
Some
of
them
have
all
their
jobs
and
they're
looking
to
start
a
sideline
business
that
might
someday
grow
into
a
full-time
restaurant
that
employs.
C
E
Lot
of
people,
but
just
keeping
in
mind
that
that
individual
doesn't
our
input.
It
shouldn't
be
like
that
person
needs
to
have
the
same
objective
as
that
other
person
right,
like
these
folks,
are
going
for
job
training
with
the
objective
of
full-time
jobs
there,
for
these
other
folks
should
be
looking
at
full-time
jobs
with
Benefits
too.
That's
not
the
nature
of
Entrepreneurship.
E
E
I
think
that
the
acknowledging
that
someone's
goal
to
start
a
sideline
business
is
as
valid
as
someone
else
and
that
the
major
impediment
that
that
state,
part-time,
caterer
or
food
vendor
the
major
impediment
to
them
even
getting
off
the
ground
of
them
is
often
a
commissary
where
they
can
prepare
their
goods.
E
Having
had
firsthand
history,
you
know
that's
an
easy
fix
so,
but
presumably
the
LMR
people
are
not
the
people
who
already
had
these
jobs
and
want
to
make
something
on
the
side.
I,
don't
that's
where
I?
That's
what
I
don't
understand,
if
that's
a
good
use
of
public
money,
if
somebody
already
has
a
stable
day
job
and
they
want
to
pursue
this
hobby
or
they
might
not
and
I
think
in
the
okay.
E
That's
the
example:
I
just
gave
that
somebody
might
already
have
a
day
job,
but
it
also
might
still
be
a
low-wage
job
right,
and
this
is
going
to
be
a
supplemental
piece
of
income
that
enables
them
to
be
more
financially
solvent
and
that's
something
that
I
saw
quite
often
and
I
was
working
with
potential
food,
vendors
or
food
entrepreneurs
in
the
context
of
business
sense.
That
was
my
own
personal
situation
when
I
started
looking
into
the
business.
This
was
like.
B
B
Yeah
I
think
there's
like
this
is
one
thing
I
always
struggled
with.
Is
we
call
the
economic
element
in
that
category
because
there
are
really
two
things
going
on
in
this
category
and
it
is
very
well
development
side
by
side,
right,
yeah
and
then
the
second
thing
is
right,
I
think
within
this
one
applicant
we
have
a
few
things
going
on
right,
so
we've
got
overall
Economic
Development
activity
in
Ithaca,
which
maybe
we
want.
B
A
B
That's
a
good
point
that
I
hadn't
said
about
right,
which
is
they're
different
blends
on
it,
which
is
not
not
the
ones
that
we
talked
about
on
the
design
of
the
table.
Yet
here
right,
which
is
we're
creating
this
pension
that
this
new
asset
is
going
to
be
created
for
economic
development
in
the
city
right,
but
if
only
those
would
be
existing
means
to
act
and
capital
that
access
it
can
access
it.
Then
we
have
to
diversify
the
base
economic
problem
in
the
city.
So
again
it's
a
different
way.
B
B
Don't
have
it
yeah
I
mean
if
I
use
this
analysis,
that
staff
prepared
as
of
March
3rd,
the
agency
that
has
the
most
room
between
their
ask
and
what
they
have
what
they
need.
According
to
this
is
actually
historic,
Ithaca,
so
India
you
could
take
15
000
from
Missouri
Ithaca
and
they
would
still
have
we
think,
not
quite
double
what
they
need
to
read
their
2023
funding
according
to
this,
because
it's
all
this
caviar,
sorry,
what.
A
A
To
100
000
level
than
40
000
level
coming
forward,
so
I
always
expose
you
that
what
is
our
available
funding
right
now
thing
because
they
can
be
able
to
get
back
there
on
on
whether
they
you
know,
there's
enough
money
to
meet
their
demand
and
get
out
for
their
project.
I!
Think
it's
working
with
trying
to
keep
around
200
000
or
more
in
the
fun.
A
Accounts
right
now,
after
the
wrong
approval
for
traditions,.
A
E
A
Is
important
to
think
about
January
17
in
August.
B
B
E
A
I
think
that
it
was
a
recognition
that
the
component
of
their
program
is
never
going
to
create
job.
At
least
you
know,
they're
they're
still
working
with
groups
that
maybe
it's
working
with
somebody
who's
not
going
to
make
it
to
the
job
pipeline.
Ever
you
know
you're
just
evacuated.
You
know,
there's
successes
and
the.
C
A
That
have
need
more
work
and
you
go
back
into
more
other.
You
know
trainings
and
other
work,
so
I
think
there
was
a
an
obvious
recognition
that
some
of
the
money
is
never
going
to
result
in
job.
Please
and
that's
why
they
put
in
that
category
of
a
public
service
and
then
of
the
67
000
requests.
They
feel
that
that's
funny
that
will
result
in
Germany.
Thank
you
all
right.
That's
what
the
framework!
It
is
a
little
bit
of
an
artificial
separation
but
they're
just.
B
A
The
trade
yeah
some
of
the
programs
are
using
CBG
funding
for
Staffing
and
some
are
using
them
for
apprenticeships.
So
right,
but
one
that
has
the
largest
Focus.
A
E
E
B
B
C
E
A
A
B
D
A
B
This
is
in
your
pocket,
somewhere
age.
D
A
That's
really
well.
That
means
that
in
business
is
eligible,
whereas
one
businesses
that
derive
more
than
30
of
their
income
earnings
from
liquor
sales
are
not
open.
This
account
we
have
the
district
density
map
behind
that
which
is
the
geographic
area
and
then
a
table
that
this
list
not
compare
the
two,
the
existing
list
of
businesses
from
2008,
maybe
or
something
and
the
2022
recommendations.
Finally,
the
last
stage
is
a
risk
of
a
little
bit
negative,
apparently,
but
within
the
borrower,
as
well
as
the
business
category
that
they
want
to
follow
into.
D
E
D
And
help
us
think
about
it
and
that's
what
some
of
these
ideas.
C
D
Think
as
just
a
little
free
animal
on
on
this
whole
thing,
one
of
the
I
mean
translate.
We're
seeing
right
now
and
there's
been
greater
downtown
area
is
that
when
traditional
retailer
goes
out
of
business
hold
on
most
of
the
time,
I
would
say
majority
of
the
time
they
are
not
replaced
by
another
exam.
D
D
As
our
economy
sort
of
evolves,
you
know,
food
beverage
can
come
in
higher
rent
and
Retail
cannot
and
and
you're,
seeing
a
gravitation
of
landlords
something
other
than
weekend.
D
And
so
I
think
the
earliest
an
incentive
to
try
to
encourage
that
to
happen,
continue
to
keep
or
maintain
or
grow
our
our
base
of
retail
to
the
Trump.
At
some
point,
I
forgot
to
go
on
a
certain
point.
People
will
stop
and
you
know
they're
equating
the
downtown
area
on
the
West
End
area
or
any
particular
area
with
retail
we've
seen
that
a
good
cause.
Now
it's
not
a
retail
area.
The
community
doesn't
go
to
college
town
and
she
got
everything
about
it,
not
very
much.
D
So
that's
what
you
want
to
try
to
avoid
so
I
think
part
of
what
we're
looking
here,
making
sure
we
have
the
things
on
our
list.
These
are
these
are
the
types
of
businesses
if
we're
out
recruiting.
These
are
only
looking
for
reasonably
division,
things
and
Community
massing
for
in
one
way
to
do
without
some
attention
to
help
a
patient
restaurant.
B
D
Many
years
and
we
try
to
try
to
find
a
succession,
we're
not
successful
and
we're
not
trying
to
find
efficiency
the
great
years
and
they
couldn't
do
it
so
not
yet
successful.
But
it's
just
really
a
lot
once
you
lose
something,
it's
easy,
it's
easier
to
keep
it
than
it
is.
B
A
Yes,
three
things:
one
I
just
want
to
be
able
to
notice,
but
you
know
as
as
I
talk
with
businesses.
You're
interested
in
expanding
eroding
downtown
having
having
this
program
is
really
valuable,
even
if
they
don't
end
up
using
it
just
having
a
having
a
city,
a
local.
You
know,
financing
program,
so
I
mean
it's
not
enough
by
myself.
A
Which
is
you
know,
the
Retail
Landscape
was
changing.
The
report
of
the
pandemic
pandemic
accelerated
those
changes,
vacancies
retaining
the
changes
in
the
Retail
Landscape
here
and
downtown,
but
also
Citywide,
so
we're
going
to
be
working
over
the
next,
hopefully
very
quickly.
We
want
us
to
engage
to
take
a
look
at
our
political
disability
that
we
have
trying
to
really
have
the
sort
of
market
trends
and
what
we
could
have
or
what
we
could
have.
That
makes
it
a
very
specific
recommendation,
sound
below
of.
A
A
Thank
you
published
yeah
I.
Can
it
can
so
I
was
looking
at
this
list.
That's
my
third
point
is
I
was
looking.
I
was
looking
at
the
prbs
list.
I,
don't
think.
Brb
was
necessarily
looking
at
the
policy
of
drafting
a
policy
change
for
you
when
they
came
up
with
this
list.
So
there's
some
translation
that
needs
to
happen
here.
Yeah.
A
A
A
B
A
They
did
not
have
their
my
eyes.
We
should
order
into
these
categories.
What
may
development
realistic
procedure?
Very
animated
conversation
suggesting
Maybe,
letting
the
retail
survey
play
out,
might
help
sharpen
were
listed
in
the
recommendations
a
little
bit
and
see
that
we're
not
in
a
rush
to
change
something
and
and
bring
that
back.
You
know
when
you,
when
you're
sharpening
that
strategy
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
trying
to
implement
it
and
having
to
be
somewhat
interrogative
without
getting
it
too
broad.
But
you
know
I
think
I.
A
Think
there's
you
know
is
there
may
be
small
scale
manufacturing,
seeing
what
it's
been
sitting
with
the
city
policy
and
the
IRA
policy
to
incorporate
that
as
a
priority
goal
for
for
brand
new
hope
in
there,
but
but
I
think
some
of
the
other
ones
you
know
might
want
to
compare
them
to
the
existing
list
and
kind
of
sharpen
the
list
and
make
sure
it's
truly
there
and
the
big
key
here,
of
course,
looking
at
our
list
of
businesses
there's
many
of
them,
it's
your
alcohol!
E
E
What
I'm
thinking
on
the
countering
example
being
bomb
boost
and
Mimi's
at
it?
You
know
she
had
a
lot
of
time,
thankfully,
to
think
about,
like
how
do
I
move
to
a
next
stage
and
I
think
the
whole
Community
would
have
saw
it
as
a
huge
boss
if
those
two
businesses
had
closed.
In
that
case,
the
solution
was
split.
It
up
now
they're
two
different
businesses,
but
they're
both
still
still
driving.
So
that's
a
great
thing.
What
kind
of
assistance
is
needed?
E
I
don't
know
it's
obviously
going
to
be
different
in
every
case,
but
let's
not
lose.
You
know
the
Homegrown
ones
in
particular,
because
they're
having
the
biggest
economic,
bringing
the
major
economic
benefit,
much
more
so
than
a
nation,
a
company
that
we
brought
in
and
said.
Okay,
that's
what
I
got
on
the
phone.
E
I'm
wondering
about
child
care,
I
would
be
the
first
to
say
you
need
more
child
care,
but
is
it
viable
as
a
business
in
downtown
Highland
areas?
That's
going
to
be
really
tricky.
The
child
care
is
not
very
viable
as
a
business
in
the
best
of
circumstances,
because
our
system
isn't
structured
to
support
it
financially
and
the
downtown
many
parts
of
the
downtown
core
in
particular
are
also
really
going
to
be
part
of
the
specifically
for
parents.
E
D
D
In
fact,
we're
working
right
now
in
one
of
our
community
organizations
is
in
line
to
get
a
granted
grant
for
child
care.
That
would
allow
it
to
do
a
downtown
facility
and
we're
very
much
behind
that
understanding
that
you
know
we
have.
Certainly
our
issue
is
going
to
drop
off
the
pickup,
but
one
of
the
things
that
a
downtown
Child
Care
Facility
does
is
child
care
right
where
people
are
needed.
You
know
right
where
a
lot
of
people
need
them.
A
A
C
Thing
to
consider
on
Child
Care
is
proximity
to
short-term
free
parking
right
yeah,
which
is
tough
downtown.
D
B
E
So
that
that
could
certainly
apply
if
you're
on
you
know,
Aurora
and
I,
don't
know
port
or
something
yeah,
which
is
where
we're
going
inside
is.
E
Thank
you
that,
given
that
the
city
is
promoting
residential
density,
downtown
I
think
it's
really
important
to
have
places
to
buy
food
to
cook
grocery
store
and
other
words,
I.
Think
that
would
and
I
know
in
Prior
conversations
that
it's
really
hard
to
recruit
those
kinds
of
businesses
but
I.
Think
it's
consistent
with
getting
people
to
live
downtown
and
to
have
a
food
store
and
I
think
we
need
a
city-wide
succession
plan
for
our
one
shoe
repair
person
here
they
come.
D
E
Is
currently
on
vacation
in
Florida
for
two
months,
yeah
I
mean
it
and
I
believe
Montana
send
the
shoes
that
I
can
get
repaired,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
real
need,
especially
if
we're
talking
about
sustainability.
We
don't
want
people
throwing
their
shoes
out
of
any
new
Souls,
so
I
think
we
have
probably
plenty
of.
E
B
A
A
A
A
I
I,
think
it
I
mean
one
of
you.
They're
thinking
about
is
maybe
the
agency.
Potentially
they
can't
get
can't
secure
funding
from
other
source.
The
best
background,
the
way
certain
we
now
women
under
the
program
we
live
in
the
aggregate
only
to
40
percent
of
the
democratulations.
A
But
I
think
if
there
was
a
smaller
scale
budget
we've
seen
some
businesses
where
they
can't
secure
other
funding,
that
this
could
be
the
only
funding
source.
So
that
might
be
something
going
on
you
to
consider.
But
realistically
the
changes
are
not
that
dramatic
between
our
razors
but
and
this
one
other
than
the
agency
is
willing
to
be
able
to
hire
a
risk
profile
a
little
bit
more
money
potential
between
and
this
this
program
would
get
around
the
limitation
of
biology
because
so
that's
those
are
the.
B
I
think
kind
of
go
back
to
what
Thomas
is
investing
I
mean
look
at
the
objective
right.
This
objective
is
a
very
long
this
evening
here,
which
is
also
clarifying
perspective
and
I'm
hearing
a
few
different
feeling
like.
Oh,
if
we
give
up
on
retail,
we'll,
never
have
retail
again
right
and
so
that
okay,
so
there
seems
to
be
some
kind
of
need.
Some
retail
in
the
maxims
I
can
appoint
things
in
downtown
density.
District
diversifying
the
economy
seems
like
a
second
thing
right.
B
We
should
go
with
our
general
manufacturing
so
to
think
of
them.
Well,
that's
not
the
ineffective.
The
honest
point
about
like
well,
we
just
put
all
these
apartments
here.
People
are
living
here.
People
should
be
able
to
live
here
without
having
to
now
get
in
their
car
and
go
up
to
the
Lansing
to
get
everything
right.
So
how
do
you
support
a
community?
That's
actually
living
and
working
within
the
density?
District
right,
it
seems
like
everything
and
I
guess
they're
like
working.
B
What
are
those
essential
services
that
then
the
community
actually
needs,
then
the
fourth
thing
seems
to
be
this
like
well,
who
is
the
business
owner?
That
seems
to
be
a
different
type
of
objective
right
in
trying
to
diversify
the
types
of
business
owners
who
might
be
represented
in
the
district
and
then
and
then
the
fifth
thing
is
I'm,
not
sure
I'll
buy
parts
available
for
or
not
no
switches
to
potentially
be
a
higher
risk,
a
vendor
to
higher
risk
businesses
at
other.
B
B
D
D
Release
and
say
we
got
at
least,
but
we
didn't
have.
We
had
a
little
bit
more
time
if
we
had
sort
of
there's
something
built
in
where
there
could
have
been
some
funding
and
citizens
available
for
a
new
person
to
take
that
over.
D
Because,
like
I
said,
I
mean
you
know
getting
one
of
those
back
immediators
are
going
to
be
young.
Now
it's
going
to
be
a
real
challenge.
E
B
E
Just
about
to
be
open
now
and
I
hope
you
know
not
upon
good
or
wherever
the
wood
is
up
here
that
that'll
work,
the
community
won't
have
forgotten
about
them.
They'll
be
able
to,
you
know,
find
a
new
audience
because
it
is
a
very
different,
neighborhood
and
so
forth.
But
you
know
if
it
went
much
longer,
it
would
be
really
hard
to
relaunch.
There's
a
point:
oh
no
return,
I
think
you
know
the.
B
Biggest
thing,
I
think
what
I
was
saying
is
I
feel
like
I
feel
better.
If
we
could
clarify
what
are
the
objectives?
I
mean
this
list
of
this
business.
I
mean
why
isn't
even
two
years?
Someone
will
be
something
different.
We
don't
want
something
else
right,
so
I
feel
like
making
that
list
too
specific,
but.
B
Pharmacy
was
on
this
list.
If
it's
not
a
pharmacy,
you
know
whatever
natural
Apothecary
yeah.
A
I,
like
the
nursery,
you
know
it's
we're
already
in
conversation
with
a
business
criteria,
because
there
is
the
other
category
of
loans
that
are
offered
by
any
order.
So
it's
not
as
if
they're
not
going
to
be
at
the
table
for
a
conversation
about
who
do
you
qualify
for
fifth,
one
of
that
one
they're
going
to
be
able
to
have
a
conversation
and
if
you
really
work
on
a
federal
language
or
objectives.
A
E
E
A
priority
that
is
a
more
generalized
need
or
identized
industry
like
child
care
or
artisanal
manufacturing,
or
you
know,
Home.
E
E
D
E
B
B
E
You
know
the
the
study
that
you're
going
to
have
done.
I
know
what
you
said:
Tom
that
they're
going
to
identify.
C
E
D
And
you
know
the
reasons
why
Burlington
has
such
a
you
know.
Well,
actually
it
doesn't
sit
down,
but
it
had
such
and
it
had
some
such
a
vibrant
downtown.
It
was
because,
for
a
long
time
they
didn't
have
much
of
a
sugar
and
a
Marketplace
and
I
started
growing
up
and
I
was
growing,
but
prior
to
prior
to
that
they
didn't
really
happen
to
align,
and
so
that
that
you
know
so
there's
a
lot
of
Dynamics
to
take
by
seeing
your
marketing
places.
D
You
have
to
pay
attention
to
them
now
and-
and
so
you
know
that's
going
to
everybody,
our
Consultants.
C
Is
the
consultant
going
to
look
at
all
at
what
businesses
either
are
attracted
to
or
repelled
by
retail
cannabis
coming
into
downtowns.
D
On
our
own-
and
we
have,
we
have
a
number
of
McDonald's
stores-
I
mean
other
stores
that
are
illegal
yeah.
D
We
had
other
businesses
out
there
that
are,
you
know,
removing
some
of
that
as
well,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
part
of
the
last
year
that
happened,
pay
attention
and
so
that
that
very
much
would
be
part
of
the
recommendation
to
us
is
all
right.
You
know,
I
would
deal
with
that
or
or
how
do
we
build
on
that
or
how
do
you
think
it's
going
to
be
following
somewhere
in
the
middle.
D
B
D
A
The
report
there
was
one
Association
centers
pretty
much
behind.
They
have
paid
the
six-month
loans
in
the
past
I
emailed
them.
A
couple
weeks
ago
said
you're
in
Iowa
eloquent.
A
We
are
working
to
try
to
spend
out
our
grand
CBG
Grant
funds
by
that
once
a
year
check
on
June
the
first
of
every
year,
where
I
looked
at.
Are
we
spending
down?
Cdp
phones
fast
enough,
we're
behind
in
that
right
now?
But
we
have
a
couple
of
larger
projects
that
we're
trying
to
get
votered
for
us
for
us,
so
we
need
to
make
up
230
000
hours
or
something
by
June
1st
to
meet
that.
We
don't
need
that
standard.
A
I
just
know
this,
like
they're,
showing
a
lot
of
communities
that
are
not
needing
to
spend
Alexanders
that
we
would
be
required
to
submit
a
workout
plan.
How
we
would
be
kindly
you
know,
make
a
plan
for
the
time
they
send
your
report.
So
that's
our
future
there.
So
we're
trying
to
work
really
hard
to
get
yeah
because
we
have
any
balances
on
these
loan
programs
there's
a
release
of
ones.
It
was
until
October,
so
the
programs
that
are
seasonable,
like
you
know
just
some
clothing
projects-
have
challenges
and
get
going.
A
You
know
until
until
spring
and
summer
camps,
and
so
it's
a
challenge
for
us
to
meet
that
requirement.
We've
done
very
well
in
the
last
10
years.
I've
been
only
not
missed
it
once,
and
that
was
last
year,
and
we
are
you
know,
so
it's
important
to
keep
an
eye
on.
You
spend
expenditures,
but
the
program.
A
E
Have
this
this,
you
know
Whispers
of
alone,
coming
through
for
someone.