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A
Both
took
different,
they
took
each
different
approaches.
Visum
was
proposing
to
build
a
fire
station
on
the
first
two
floors
of
the
existing
site
and
then
put
housing
above
it
and
as
and
311
college,
so
college
associates
were
really
focusing
on
paying
a
purchase
price,
a
higher
purchase
price
for
the
land
and
conveying
alternative
sites
to
the
city
for
construction.
A
So
the
you
know
the
analysis
and
the
review
of
this
brought
forward
more
information
about
these
two
proposals.
The
initial
proposal
from
visum
was
was
suggested
that
they
could
build
that
fire
station
at
no
cost
to
the
city
on
the
site
and
with
311ca
they
were
offering
four
million
dollars
in
alternative
sites.
So
the
city
took
a
look
at
those
two
proposals
and
decided
that
they
wanted
to
pursue.
In
the
first
instance,
more
negotiation
will
first
get
more
information
from
each
of
the
two
parties
to
clarify
their
proposals.
A
Through
that
process,
it
became
clear
that
bism's
offer
of
no
cost
to
the
city
was
really
a
fixed
developer,
subsidy
development,
subsidy
to
the
city
and
that
that
subsidy
was
based
on
the
number
of
floors
of
housing.
They
could
build
on
the
site.
The
zoning
for
309
college
avenue
is
a
six
story.
Height
limit
and
the
fire
station
to
meet
programmatic
needs
would
need
to
be
at
least
two
stories
so
that
left
four
stories
of
housing
available
within
the
current
zoning.
You
know
framework
for
private
development.
A
They
offered
varying
development
subsidies
between
the
four
floors
of
housing.
Up
to,
I
think,
ten
floors
of
housing.
It
is
only
when
they
got
to
you
know
relatively
eight
or
ten
stories
that
it
actually
became
a
no-cost
proposal
to
the
city
if
they
could
construct
the
fire
station
at
about
6.7
million
dollars,
which
was
their
initial
cost
estimate
at
four
stories.
They
were
providing
about
an
equivalent
of
2.9
million
dollars
for
for
in
terms
of
development
subsidy.
A
The
311ca
clarified
in
their
proposal
that
did
not
disclose
originally
the
location
of
the
sites
to
be
offered
to
the
city.
They
clarified
that
the
sites
would
be
made
available
of
one
of
three
areas
in
the
city:
dryden
road,
linden
avenue
or
east
state
street,
and
they
would
make
those
available
for
review
by
the
city
at
least
one
of
those
sites.
A
So
it
was,
it
was
stopped
by
with
some
preliminary
analysis
that
one
of
those
sites
is
potentially
workable
and
feasible,
and
so
the
city
team
staff
team
decided
to
enter
into
negotiations
with
311ca
associates
as
their
first
preference
for
the
following
four
major
reasons.
One
was
that
their
cash
offer
was
four
million
dollars
initially
and
that
exceeded
the
2.9
million
dollars
offered
by
bissell
for
a
zoning
compliant
project.
A
Third,
that
the
vision
project
really
involved
a
lot
more
complexity
of
the
of
the
project
in
terms
of
financing,
and
it
was
clear
that
the
project
was
dependent
upon
a
financially
feasible
project
for
investors,
which
left
the
city
in
a
situation
that
if,
at
any
time
the
project
became
too
costly
or
got
delayed
in
in
the
process,
the
project
could
stall
out.
So
the
city
was
really
dependent
on
the
developer
being
successful,
going
forward
with
their
project
and
getting
their
financing
and
really
had
little
control.
A
Over
that
process,
and
then
fourth,
the
fire
chief,
did
analyze
the
alternative
site
offered
by
ca
associates
and
did
find
that
it
appeared
that
it
would
likely
be
operationally
feasible,
so
the
if,
if
those
negotiations
hadn't
worked
out,
I
think
the
the
city
team
was
very
much
prepared
to
open
up
negotiations
with
vism
and
see
if
that,
if
they
could
improve
upon-
or
you
know,
address
the
concerns
that
the
negotiation
team
had
with
that
project.
A
So
then,
through
the
negotiations
with
cas
311
three
ca
associates,
it
became
clear
that
the
the
the
site
could
work
operationally
because
the
city
commissioned
an
architectural
study
that
proved
that
it
was
financially
feasible
and
operationally
feasible
to
build
on
that
site,
a
fire
station
that
would
meet
the
city's
needs.
A
Secondly,
the
developer
did
agree
to
increase
their
purchase,
offer
from
four
million
dollars
to
5.1
million
dollars.
A
They
also
agreed
to
delay
the
transfer
of
the
property
from
of
the
fire
station
to
the
developer
until
after
the
fire
station
could
be
completed
and
finally,
the
the
they
they
entered
into
and
executed
a
binding
option
agreement
on
their
on
their
behalf
to
memorialize
those
those
terms
of
a
sale
which
allowed
the
city
to
exercise
but
did
not
commit
the
city
to
exercise
an
option
agreement
to
sell
309
college
avenue
in
return
for
5.1
million
dollars
and
two
parcels
located
at
403,
ohmwood
avenue
and
408
dryden
road.
A
So
that
was
the.
That
was
the
kind
of
my
summary
of
the
analysis
that
the
city
staff
undertook
in
looking
at
the
rfis
and
the
decision
and
how
we
got
to
the
proposal
in
front
of
the
the
urban
renewal
agency
for
consideration.
A
Tom
is
here,
as
this
is
victor
and
if
I
missed
anything,
I
hope
that
they
would
make
sure
that
the
raise
it
now
to
bring
more
flavor
to
the
discussions.
But
that
was
my
understanding
of
the
major
points
of
that
of
that
internal
process.
B
But
if
I
understand
it
correctly,
we
in
the
311ca
scenario
we
get
5.1
million
in
cash
at
the
highest
amount,
plus
the
site
so
and
so
the
equivalent
essentially
of
7
million.
Let's
say-
and
it's
going
to
cost
the
city
8.5
million-
to
build
a
fire
station
right,
so
net
cost
for
the
city,
roughly
1.5
million
right.
A
B
That
would
be
true
on
either
calculation
right,
but
either
private
right,
yes
right
and
then
the
visum
project.
They
would
not
pay
anything
for
the
land,
they
would
offer.
Then
a
2.9
million
dollar
subsidy
for
a
zoning
compliant
building
more
if
we
allowed
them
to
go
above
that.
But
if
we
stick
to
the
zoning
2.9
million
and
we're
estimating
construction
or
they
estimated
construction
on
site
of
a
fire
station
at
6.7.
So
roughly
a
four
million
dollar
price
tag
to
the
city
sounds
about
right.
Yes,
and.
A
And
it
was
a
somewhat
smaller
square
foot
facility,
more
matching
the
current
one
than
the
proposed
one.
That's
now,
third,
about
thirteen
thousand
square
feet
where
you
see
current
facilities
about
eleven
thousand
square
feet,
fire
station.
B
Yeah
great
tom,
you
unmuted,
do
you
want
to
add
to
that.
C
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
we
also
know,
through
the
design
process,
that
some
of
the
aspects
of
modern
fire
station
design
separating
what
we
call
hot
zones
where
areas
where
people
have
contained
with
fire
protective
gear
that
after
they
come
back
with
the
fires.
Dirty
we
try
to
keep
that
gear,
separated
at
all
times
from
the
clean
areas
of
the
station.
It
was
going
to
be
what
we
know
now
is.
C
B
Cool
thanks
all
right.
Well,
let
me
open
up
again
just
at
the
moment,
questions
about,
maybe
primarily
that
memo
and
and
nels's
overall
explanation,
hey
charlotte.
B
E
B
Gave
the
background
in
summary
and
we're
about
ready
to
get
into
questions
so
dog,
I
notice
you're
on
muted.
Do
you
want
to
start.
F
C
The
operational
street
width
of
dry
excuse
me
of
college
ave
is
the
same
operational
street
width
as
dryden
road.
They
there
is
no
difference.
College
ave
is
wider
because
they
have
parking,
looks
wider
because,
but
it
has
parking
on
two
sides.
Dryden
road
looks
narrower,
but
it
only
has
parking
on
one
side,
so
the
width,
the
drivable
lanes
are,
are
virtually
identical.
So
the
and
we've
done
analysis
of
the
turning
moments
of
the
truck
coming
out
of
the
station.
C
So
we
know
that
it
can
make
the
turn
back,
in
the
worst
case
scenario,
to
turn
back
up,
dryden
road
where
it
come
out
pointing
west,
it
could
turn
off
elmwood
and
then
turn
back
up
and
head
east
on
dryden
road.
So
the
the
maneuverability
of
the
truck
and
the
site
of
fit
quite
well.
B
And
maybe
you
want
to
talk
just
in
that
process?
I
mean
we
talked
while
we
were
on
site
about
just
some
of
the
operational
challenges
of
college
avenue.
You
know
that
is
in
terms
of
the
changing
footprint
over
the
last
50
years
of
that
fire
station.
Do
you
want
to
just
help
the
community
understand
that
a
bit.
C
Well,
when
I
came
to
work
for
when
I
came
to
city
of
ithaca
and
became
involved
with
the
fire
department,
there
was
a
grocery
store
and
a
motel
and
a
lot
of
wood
framed
houses
that
occupied
college
half
most
of
the
pop
the
street
population.
As
far
as
students
walking
up
and
down
the
street,
you
know
you
might,
you
might
see
you
know
a
couple
dozen
an
hour
going
up
and
down
the
street.
There
are
days
today
as,
and
especially
it's
going
to
continue
to
get
worse.
C
Where
we
we
see
about
a
you
know,
a
couple
dozen
students
pass
by
the
station
every
couple
minutes.
The
pedestrian
traffic
is
quite
significant
on
college
ave
and
coming
out
of
the
station.
It's
a
challenge
getting
out
and
it's
very
challenging
to
get
back
in.
We,
you
know,
spend
a
lot
of
time
just
getting
students
with
their
with
their
barrier,
pods
and
walking
down
street
they're,
not
always
paying
attention.
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
getting
in
and
out
and
and
with
the
development.
C
That's
going
on
college
app,
it's
the
the
street.
The
pedestrian
traffic
is
just
gonna,
go
higher
and
higher.
So
it
we
moving
over
to
elmwood
and
dryden
that
pedestrian
traffic
is
nowhere
near
that
that
level
and
and
and
likely
will
not
be
ever
at
that
level
that
that
I
could
could
attribute
in
the
next
50
or
100
years.
E
Oh
tom,
I
was
just
going
to
say
in
terms
of
the
vehicle
traffic
in
the
area
too,
and
illegally
parked
cars
was
something
that
I
found
helpful
when
we
were
at
the
fire
station
visit.
Think
about
it
on
college
avenue
versus
dryden.
C
Yeah
right
adjacent
to
the
to
the
fire
station
is
a
tcat
bus.
Stop
plus
cars
parking
both
sides.
We
have
a
lot
of
delivery
trucks
that
are
quite
challenging
delivering
to
the
local
businesses,
both
above
and
below
the
fire
station.
We
have
green
star
on
the
on
the
south
side
of
the
fire
station
that
they're
often
taking
deliveries,
and
then
we
have
the
the
restaurants
and
the
and
the
food
food
eateries.
C
All
the
way
up
in
the
rest
of
the
300
block
and
into
the
400
block
that
are
are
quite
congest,
the
street
quite
a
bit
just
because
of
deliveries
and
there's
no,
the
delivery
zones.
While
there
are
delivery
or
truck
loading
zones,
they're
not
enough
so
college
apps,
especially
in
the
300
block,
it's
pretty
congested
and
again
as
the
development
happens
with
with
catherine
commons.
We
we
expect
that
we're
gonna
see
more
challenges
with
deliveries.
G
Sure,
thanks
to
summarize
nel
presented
nels
presented
a
whole
bunch
of
information
about
the
the
two
different
proposals
and
what
stood
out
in
my
mind
is
a
couple
of
things.
G
The
significant
and
thank
you
chris
for
summarizing
the
the
numbers,
significantly
bigger
price
tag
overall
for
the
vism
proposal,
the
fire
station
having
to
be
offline
for
as
long
as
potentially
two
years,
and
then
tom
you
mentioned
that
it's
also
just
a
smaller
and
less
functional
space,
even
as
proposed
to
be
built
out.
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
is
there
some
version
of
that
vism
project,
and
maybe
this
was
discussed
in
negotiations
and
it's
not
possible
to
get
there,
but
is
there
some
financial
proposal
and
or
design
reconfiguration?
C
From
a
design
standpoint,
I
I
think
this
is
just
about
how
much
you
can
put
in
the
box
and
we're
constrained
by
a
much
narrower
footprint.
If
you,
the
newer
the
site,
we're
looking
at
elmwood
is,
is
significantly
wider,
which
offers
us
a
lot
more
latitude.
We're
we're
pretty
much
on
the
property
line
in
both
the
north
and
south
boundaries
of
309
college,
and
we
are
right
at
the
rear
property
line
of
the
of
the
rear
of
the
fire
station.
C
So
there
is
no
horizontal
growth
that
we
can
do
and
the
the
as,
as
folks
saw
it
during
the
tour
there's
just
we're
we're
we're
storing
things
in
places
that
we
were
never
designed
to
be
stored
just
because
of
the
constraints
of
the
site.
It's
hard
to
imagine
in
in
a
design
phase
how
we
could
even
come
close
to
what
we
have
as
far
as
an
opportunity
to
design
on
the
elmwood
dry
road
site.
G
So
building
up
would
not
solve
or
not
be
as
functional.
C
No,
and
in
fact
it
even
the
fire
station
that
is
designed
that
we
have
in
design
work
right
now
for
dryden
and
elmwood
is
a
two-story
building.
F
A
Right
and
the
vism
proposal
and
the
amount
of
development
subsidy
offered
directly
directly
increases
with
the
number
of
floors
that
they
can
develop.
They
basically
we're
looking
at
if
I
recall,
quickly
12
units
per
floor
and
they
were
doing
an
analysis
of
what
they
could
afford
to
pay
for
the
extra
building
rights
on
a
floor-by-floor
basis.
A
So
if
they
could
go
up
from
six
stories
to
12
stories,
they
could
get
pretty
close.
You
know
to
the
subsidy
amount
that
would
be
equivalent
to
what
is
offered
by
311ca.
A
It's
not
in
a
pud
planned
unit
development
eligible
district
for
negotiating
with
common
counsel
and
issue,
and
it
creates
a
lot
of
ethical
questions
when
you
start
looking
at
height.
Very
you
know
allowing
higher
height
for
a
higher
purchase
price.
So
there
was
not
something
that
the
city
staff
wanted
to
analyze
and
encourage
for
that
proposal.
Rather,
rather
they,
it
was
really
analyzed
as
what
could
be
developed
within
the
zoning
footprint.
A
That's
allowed
and
the
city
worked
so
hard
to
develop
that
college
town,
zoning
and
design
plan
that
you'd
have
to
make
a
pretty
strong
argument
why
you
would
start
waving
it
by
you
know
several
levels
of
floors
for
a
single
site
like
this.
Without
some
further
analysis,
you
know
or
further
policy
direction
from
the
common
council.
A
So
I
think
that
was
the
issue.
If
you
could
get
more
stories,
you
get
more
more
development
subsidy,
but
the
limit
you
know
it
requires
at
least
two
stories
to
meet
the
fire
station's
needs
at
that
site,
and
that
only
leaves
four
stories
left.
Maybe
somebody
could
argue
that
you
could
have
a
fifth
story
in
there
and
still
not
exceed
the
height
limit.
A
Although
you
would,
it
does
have
a
a
floor
limit
of
six
floors
and
a
height
limit,
but
still
you
don't
get
close
to
matching
the
financial
subsidy
offered
by
you
know.
Ica
associates
at
5.1
million
dollars,
cash
plus
land.
G
So
my
my
understanding
is
three
big
areas
of
discrepancy
between
the
projects
and
one
is
big
financial
difference,
fire
station,
less
functional
and
fire
station
offline
for
several
months,
putting
more
pressure
on
the
other
stations.
Is
that
accurate
or
are
there
other?
Are
there
other
factors
in
there
that
were
just
as
as
as
big
or
any
advantageous
factors
in
for
the
visum
project
that
I'm
not
looking
at.
A
I
think
there
was
a
fourth
one
was
trepidation
about
the
city
losing
control
of
the
project.
To
build
the
fire
station.
We
became
very
much
dependent
on
financial
feasibility.
Zoning
approval
site
plan
approval
by
yeah.
You
know
another
entity,
the
city
would
be
essentially
a
lessee,
you
know
and
wouldn't
control
that
process
or
make
sure
it
went
through.
A
And
if,
if
again,
if
I
mentioned,
if
the
cost
increased-
and
they
no
longer
was
meeting
the
return
requirements
by
the
investors,
they
did
have
to
come
back
to
the
city
for
additional
funding,
or
maybe
the
project
would
stall
out,
which
was
a
major
concern,
especially
because
the
one
million
dollar
grant
the
city
awarded
from
the
empire.
State
development
has
got
a
time
limit
on
it
and
if
we
don't
use
those
funds
and
show
progress
in
this
project,
those
funds
will
no
longer
be
available.
A
So
that
was
an
award
made
around
2016
and
we've
been
able
to
maintain
the
eligibility
of
that
by
showing
the
project
is
moving
forward
through
rfeis
and
analysis
and
processes.
So
that's
another
consideration.
I
think
that
it
was
important
in
weighing
between
the
two
projects.
That
kind
of
control,
your
own
destiny
component
of
the
311
ca
associates,
proposing.
E
B
Okay,
thanks
leslie
for
those
questions
and
everybody
for
your
clarifications,
other
questions
about
the
sort
of
substance
of
the
proposals.
B
B
Are
partly,
are
they
all
in
the
packet
or
they're,
partly
in
the
packet,
and
partly
in
the
addendum?
Sorry,
for
I'm
not
getting
a
little
confused.
B
B
So
just
again
to
kind
of
clarify
every,
but
for
everybody
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
it
as
best
I
can,
and
if
I
mess
this
up,
nells
will
fix
it.
We're
essentially
doing
three
things
here.
So
the
first
resolution
that
charles
just
brought
up
on
screen
here
is
declaring
ira
as
lead
agency,
in
other
words
that
we
are
taking
the
lead
on
behalf
of
the
ira.
B
To
do
the
environmental
review,
so
this
is
kind
of
like
step.
One
saying
yes,
ira
is
the
right
agency
to
do
this
environmental
review
and
that
review
is
linked
to
the
disposition
and
development
agreement.
So
these
three
resolutions
you
have
are
essentially
linked
together.
So
the
first
one
is
we'll
declare
lead
agency.
The
second
one
is:
it
will
review
the
environmental
review
that
nels
has
completed
where
we
basically
determined
that
there
is
not
a
significant
environmental
impact
because
we
are
evaluating
the
sale.
B
Only
the
property
and
nels
can
explain
that
when
we
get
there
and
then
the
third
is
the
draft
disposition,
development
and
disposition
agreement,
which
would
lay
out
the
terms
and
conditions
for
the
transfer
of
the
property
to
the
developer.
So
that'll
be
the
sequence,
nels
yeah
any
additions
to
that.
A
On
mute,
no
that
sounds
like
the
right
process
to
go
through.
B
Okay,
so
first
resolution
we
have
then
is
lead
agency.
There's
one
resolve
where
the
ira
does
declare
itself
lead
agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
the
proposed
disposition,
development
agreement
authorizing
transfer
properties
for
the
east
hill
fire
station
urban
renewal
project.
So
maybe
just
to
make
this
easier.
If
someone
would
move
it
each
time
and
then
second
it
and
then
we
can
see
if
there's
any
discussion
or
questions.
So
would
someone
be
willing
to
move
that
resolution?
B
Thank
you,
leslie.
Second
doug
thanks,
so
questions
about
this
one.
A
But
yeah
chris,
I
should
just
clarify
at
this
point.
This
is
where
this
the
ira
is
segmenting
the
environmental
review
between
the
property
transfer
stage
of
the
project
and
the
fire
station
construction
phase,
and
what
we're
saying
is
that
the
ira
will
be
the
lead
agency
for
only
the
property
transfer
component
of
this
project
later
on.
The
planning
board
through
the
site
plan
review
process,
will
assume
the
lead
agency
for
the
second
half
of
this
project,
because
property
transfer
is
being
effectuated
for
the
purposes
of
construction
of
a
fire
station.
B
Right
and
you
know
for
the
members
of
the
committee,
but
also
any
public
on
youtube,
the
planning
board
does
that
all
the
time,
so
that's
pretty
standard
process
for
them
to
be
my
lead
agency
for
those
kinds
of
environmental
reviews,
thanks
nels
all
right,
any
of
the
other
questions
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
that
carries
unanimously
four
to
zero.
B
All
right.
Second
one
is:
there
are
four
resolves.
B
The
first
one
explains
a
little
bit
more
about
what
nels
just
said
in
terms
of
the
that
this
these
circumstances,
segmented,
a
warranted,
a
segmented
review
of
the
property
transfer
from
other
stages
of
the
proposed
urban
renewal
project,
and
that
subsequent
environmental
review
of
the
project
during
their
required
site
plan
review
process
will
be
no
less
protective
of
the
environment.
B
B
I
always
find
the
word
short
interesting,
that's
not
so
short
compared
to
the
long
one
resolve
that
the
agency
hereby
determines
that
the
proposed
action,
an
issue
will
not
have
significant
effect
on
the
environment
and
that
further
involvement
review
of
this
sale
is
unnecessary
and
you
can
look
at
the
detail
on
the
form
that
is
attached
and
that
this
resolution
contact
constitutes
notice
of
the
negative
declaration
and
that
the
city
clerk
is
hereby
directed
to
file
a
copy
of
the
same,
etc,
etc.
B
So
would
someone
move
that
resolution
for
discussion?
Thank
you,
doug
seconded
by
second
leslie.
Thank
you
all
right.
Nels.
Do
you
want
to
give
us
a
little
bit
more
background
of
how
you
approach
this,
maybe
and
then
we'll
take
any
questions.
A
Sure
yeah,
and
so
you
should
have
a
few
updates
on
typos
here
on
this
resolution.
I
want
to
clarify
too
so.
The
secret
process
has
been
kind
of
reformed
over
the
years
and
I
used
a
model
from
a
prior
transfer.
A
There
is
no
such
thing
as
a
short
environmental
forum
anymore,
as
chris
alluded
to
because
they
never
were
short
in
the
first
place,
but
they
now
call
it
a
full
environmental
assessment
form
for
unlisted
activities.
So
in
the
second
result
I
inadvertently
refer
to
the
short
environmental
assessment.
A
We
should
say
full
and
also
the
eighth,
whereas
is
a
duplication
of
a
earlier,
whereas
and
that's
an
important,
whereas,
though
so,
because
we're
segmenting
the
activity
and
state
law
require
a
environmental
review
of
the
full
action
and
so
we're
segmenting
it
to
do
the
property
transfer
now
through
the
ira
and
later
the
planning
board
will
look
at
the
construction
project,
and
so
we
want
to
link
those
together
at
some
point
to
make
it
clear
that
we're
not
just
just
that
that
that
second
phase
will
occur
so
the
sex,
whereas
which
is
somewhat
of
a
duplication
of
the
eighth
one
which
I
think
should
be
deleted,
says.
A
Whereas
the
proposed
disposition
development
agreement
shall
include
a
requirement
requiring
either
completion
of
the
environmental
review
of
the
new
fire
station
or
postponement
of
the
city
construction
project
as
a
precondition
to
transfer
the
ownership
of
309
college
avenue
to
the
sponsor
or
the
developer.
So
in
other
words,
before
we
would
actually
transfer
deed
over
to
the
developer.
A
The
city
would
have
to
have
either
completed
the
environmental
review
or
the
fire
construction
fire
station
construction
project
or
firmly
decided
that
they're
postponing
the
construction.
If
there's
no
construction,
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
completing
the
environmental
review,
because
there
won't
be
any
physical
activity,
and
this
works
with
the
option
agreement.
Timing,
because
the
option
agreement
called
for
the
transfer
of
the
fire
station
to
occur
roughly
march
of
2025.
A
So
it's
intended
that
we
wouldn't
transfer
ownership
of
the
fire
station
until
a
new
fire
station
is
operational.
This
is
but
this
this,
whereas
and
you'll
see
it
later
on
in
the
next
resolution,
is
locking
in
that
connection
between,
if
environmental
review
is
no
less
protective,
when
it's
done
in
a
segmented
way
than
a
full
environmental
review,
that
would
be
done
all
at
one
phase.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
those
issues
out.
A
So
this
is
again
the
declaring
that
the
property
transfer
process
doesn't
work,
doesn't
raise
any
environmental
concerns,
but
also
keeping
keeping
in
light
that
there
will
be
a
full
environmental
review
of
the
fire
station
prior
to
transfer
of
the
deed
of
the
309
college,
avenue
property.
B
G
A
Yeah
my
thought
on
that
was
that
it
would
have
to
be
a
significant
postponement.
It's
not
just
saying
we're
going
to
do
it
next
month,
instead
of
this
month
kind
of
an
argument
that
essentially
that
there
wouldn't
be
a
physical
development
occurring
on
the
sites
to
be
acquired
that
it
couldn't
be.
You
know
anticipated
with
any
knowledge.
You
know
it
could
occur
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
then
you
would
have
to
go
through
a
separate
environmental
review
process.
A
A
A
So
I
think
that
that
is
trying
to
make
the
case
that
there's
two
ways
to
satisfy
this
complete
environmental
review.
One
is
to
actually
undertake
the
environmental
review
by
the
planning
board
and
the
other
one
is
if
the
physical
project
never
goes
forward.
There's
nothing.
There's
no
need
for
an
environmental
review
of
no
action.
No
physical
action.
H
B
A
This
is
a
whereas
statement
of
this
one
we'll
see
it
again
in
the
action
resolution,
so
we
have
a
chance
to
revisit
it
nice
if
they
were
consistent
yeah,
it
would
be
incorrect
yeah.
I
think
I
used
the
word
form.
I
think
I
used
the
term
formal
postponement
in
the
action
resolution,
which
is
kind
of
like
the
city
declaring
its
intent
not
to
move
forward
or
somehow
communicating
that
the
project's
not
going
to
move
forward
on
the
timeline
anticipated
right.
B
So
you
got
that
charles
yeah,
okay,
good!
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
any
other
discussion
from
the
community.
Anything
all
right,
there's
no
other
discussion,
I'll
call
this
one
as
well,
all
those
in
favor.
B
That
is
unanimous,
four
zero!
Thank
you.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
draft
disposition
and
development
agreement.
A
And
page
76
of
the
the
pdf
document.
B
Or
first
page
of
the
extra
packet,
which
is
an
easier
way
to
find
it,
in
my
view,
okay,
so
here
we
have
the
resolved
that
the
agency
approves
a
disposition
and
development
agreement
for
the
east
hill
fire
station
urban
renewal
project
for
disposition
of
309
college
avenue
to
311
csca
associates
to
facilitate
construction
of
a
new
fire
station
and
redevelopment
of
309
college
avenue,
subject
to
the
following
terms.
B
So
nels
has
outlined
three
terms
here:
one:
it
is
kind
of
outlining
the
compliance
of
the
terms
of
the
option:
agreement,
sale,
price,
the
parcels
of
that
are
being
discussed.
Segment.
Second,
is
exactly
this
issue.
We've
just
been
talking
about
segmented
environmental
review,
and
then
you
write
the
word
formal
is
in
their
formal
postponement,
and
the
third
is
indicating
that.
B
Should
this
property,
for
any
reason,
become
tax
exempt
that
the
developer
is
agreeing
to
a
20-year
payment
in
lieu
of
pilot
agreement
that
would
ensure
that
there's
still
revenue
coming
into
the
various
tax
jurisdictions
here,
even
if
they
in
some
ways
the
project
would
be
eligible
to
be
tax
exempt,
and
I'm
sure
we
could
talk
a
bit
about
that
if
necessary
and
then
yeah
the
sort
of
standard
resolves
from
there
that
the
city
is
what
the
ira
is
acquiring
for:
301
ab
and
408
driving
road
and
that
all
the
proceeds
of
the
property
paid
to
the
city
charlotte.
D
Yeah,
hey.
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
again
that
I
have
a
business
relationship
and
rent
a
property
that
phil
perdansky's
a
partner
on,
so
I
I
feel
like
I
can
still
vote
on
this,
but
if
I'm
not
needed
for
quorum,
I'm
happy
to
stay.
B
As
we
discussed,
I
think
the
last
time
I
think
it's
just
important
to
note
in
the
minutes,
but
we
don't.
I
think
we
confirmed
that
you
don't
we
don't
feel
like
you
have
a
conflicted
arrangement
because
of
that
business
relationship,
standard
commercial
rent.
Thank
you
again
for
declaring
that
because
I've
forgotten
thanks
charlotte.
B
So
again,
let
me
let's,
let's
just
see,
if
there's
a
motion,
to
move
this
one
forward
and
a
second
and
then
we
can
do
questions
and
discussion.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
move
it
ahead?.
B
Someone
ridiculously:
is
there
a
second,
that's
our
little
pokey
today.
Thank
you.
Doug
appreciate
that
all
right,
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions
and
discussion
now.
A
Anything
yeah
I'd
like
to
just
clarify
the
third,
the
condition
for
the
sale
regarding
the
property,
the
tax
exempt
property
consideration.
I
want
to
make
make
it
clear
to
everybody
that
there
is
an
exception
to
the
rule
of
that.
The
you
know,
as
as
stated
there
were,
I'm
suggesting
that
there'd
be
a
pilot
agreement
between
the
ethic
urban
renewal
agency
and
the
developer.
A
That
pilot
agreement
is
basically
triggered.
Should
the
property
become
tax-exempt
requiring
that
there
be
payments
that
would
be
equal
to
the
property
taxes
owed
if
the
property
becomes
tax
exempt,
but
there
is
an
exception
to
that
rule,
and
that
is
if,
if
the
thompkins
county
industrial
development
agency
approves
a
pilot,
that
would
be
an
authorized
pilot
agreement.
You
know
oftentimes
when
there's
an
employment
project
or
or
extraordinary
public
benefit
or
some
innovative
design
component
to
a
project.
A
The
the
ida
will
grant
some
their
own
negotiated
pilot
agreement
and
they
did
do
such
a
thing
for
the
brazano
center
nearby.
It
ensured
a
stable
revenue
stream
to
the
taxing
jurisdictions
for
50
years
on
that
project,
and
they
they
thought
that
was.
You
know
that
was
a
negotiated
agreement
between
the
two,
so
that
would
be
an
exception
to
this
rule
that
the
ida
might
agree
to
a
negotiated
pilot.
A
So
it's
an
opportunity
to
advance
the
plan
for
it
for
college
town
and
provide
for
an
opportunity
which
would
have
to
go
through
a
very
publicly
vetted
process
through
the
ida
and
they'd
have
to
make
their
case
and
and
gain
approval
for
that.
So
I
wanted
to
make.
I
think
it's
an
important
component
to
provide
that
flexibility
and
make
sure
you
are
aware
of
that.
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
additionally
flag
for
the
iura's
consideration
that
we
don't
currently
have
a
pilot
arrangement
negotiated
with
the
developer
here.
So
this
would
be
something
that
would
have
to
happen
in
addition
to
the
executed
option
agreement,
and
I
I
wanted
to
raise
that
because
I'm
not
sure
what
what
the
terms
that
they
would
agree
to
would
be.
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
for
consideration.
B
Yeah,
and
maybe
now
that
I've
heard
you
say
what
you
said
and
now's
your
clarification,
I
actually
think
this
resolution
would
have
the
same
technical
meaning,
but
would
be
clearer
if
the
part
that
starts
with
in
the
event
the
property
becomes
tax
exempt
right.
If
that
sentence
or
clause
right
was
first
right.
So,
in
the
event
property
tax
property
becomes
tax
exempt
by
any
means
other
than
an
approved
tci
day
pilot
agreement.
B
It
would
require
execution
of
a
20-year
developer
ira
payment
in
the
taxes
agreement,
blah
blah
blah
blah.
So
I
think
putting
that
conditional
statement.
First
kind
of
clarifies
to
the
point.
Victor
was
just
trying
to
make
right
which
is
like
signing
signing.
This
dda
does
not
require
there
to
be
a
pilot
agreement
if
they
intend
to
either
have
it
be
on
the
tax
rolls
or
have
a
tci
pcida
pilot.
It's
a
lot
of
acronyms.
A
Right,
but
I
do
I
think
victor
was
raising
an
additional
issue,
which
is
that
there
was
a
long
negotiation
with
the
with
311
ca
about
terms
of
a
sale.
This
issue
was
not
raised
and
those
negotiations
were
agreed
to
by
the
developer.
So
this
is
a
new
issue
that
they
would
have
to
agree
to
for
the
transaction
to
move
forward,
so
that
that's
and-
and
I
have
informed
311ca
associates
of
of
the
language
included
here,
which
would
be
clarified
the
way
you
just
suggested
it.
A
I
think,
and
they
indicated
they
would
need
to
review
that
that
exact
language
they
didn't
have
time
to
get
back
to
me
with
their
conclusion
on
that,
but
they
did
say
that
that
they
are,
they
didn't
say
they
were
ready
to
approve
that
they
were.
B
Right
I
misunderstood
victor's
comment
right,
so
I
I
I
thought
victor
was
simply
saying
well.
If
there
was
going
to
be
a
pilot,
we'd
have
to
negotiate
that
pilot.
But
what
you're
saying
is
the
negotiation
of
a
conditional
term
related
to
the
pilot
is
also
to
be
negotiated.
Got
it.
Okay.
Tom
has
his
hand
as
well.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
mike.
My
concern
is:
if,
if
what
happens,
if
we
don't
have
an
agreement
as
far
as
the
option
as
it's
written
in
this
resolution
and,
for
instance,
it
says-
requires
execution
of
a
20-year
development,
blah
blah
blah
that
would
have
been
in
the
event
property
becomes
tax
exempt.
The
question
is:
are
you
suggesting
that
if
they
sell
the
property
in
40
years,
then
there's
a
pilot
for
the
next
20,
or
is
this
20
years
from
the
sale
of
the
property?
C
So
there's
there's
ambiguity
in
this
this
this
third
item
in
the
resolve,
so
I
was
just
looking
at
places
that
might
delay
the
delay
the
process
so
to
speak.
We
are
on
a
tight
schedule
for
this.
For
this
all
to
happen,
nels
said
2025.
Actually
the
execution
is
in
2024..
C
Our
first
deadline
is
february
29th
and
I
believe
our
second
second
deadline
is
around
june
4th
of
2024.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
that
period
of
time.
So
I'm
just
concerning
anything
that
would
delay
our
process.
A
I
think
the
intent
I
mean
so
one
we
had
heard
from
common
council
members
that
there
was
a
concern
about
this
issue
about
property
tax
exemption.
So,
in
my
mind,
we're
gonna
it's
this
project's
gonna
face
this
question
sooner
or
later.
So
it's
better,
I
think,
to
have
the
discussion
early
and
figure
out
how
the
agency
wants
to
proceed
on
it.
It
does
introduce
an
additional
you
know,
issue
to
be
worked
out
and
that
could
throw
a
wrench
into
the
works.
Conceivably.
A
The
intent
here
is
that
it
would
be
20
years
starting
on
the
date
of
transfer
of
the
property.
So
it
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
be
it
wouldn't
extend.
You
know
how
40
years
or
start
in
10
years
or
15
years
it
would.
It
would
terminate
after
20
years
of
ownership.
A
That's
a
that's
that's
a
long
time
and
when
we
did
some
analysis
for
the
common
council
on
the
financial
benefits,
we
looked
at
a
20-year
time
frame.
It's
consistent
with
a
lot
of
other
prior
agreements
where
we
kind
of
analyze
out
of
our
20-year
period.
So
that
was
that
was
the
thing
there
and
I
think
we
could
clear.
We
certainly
opened
the
clarifying
aspects
of
this
to
make
it
clearer,
and
I
would
expect
actually
that
311ca
associates
may
suggest
some
language
to
clarify
issues
as
well.
B
So
just
and
I
saw
leslie
you
on
mute,
so
I'll
cut
to
you
in
one
second,
so
I
know
we
have
a
very
tight
timeline
and
we've
looked
at
this
timeline
and
in
the
past
do
we
anticipate
getting
feedback
from
the
developer
either
prior
to
the
ira
meeting
or
prior
to
its
approval
by
common
council,
so
that
if
proper
amendments
can
be
made
and
keep
the
schedule
on
track.
A
Yeah,
I
did
did
note
to
the
developer
that
the
the
the
ira
will
be.
You
know
receiving
the
recommendation
from
the
ed
committee
for
their
july
28th
meeting.
D
A
That's
that's
the
time
date
that
they
should
think
about
in
terms
of
making
clear
any
concerns
they
have
about
the
the
recommended
resolution,
and
hopefully
several
days
in
advance,
so
they
could
be.
People
could
think
about
issues
if
there
are
concerns
and
then
just
for
everybody's
information
in
terms
of
the
urban
renewal
process,
I
mean
once
the
ira
approves
a
disposition
agreement.
It
goes
to
a
public
hearing
before
a
county
council
committee.
This
would
be
the
planning
economic
development
committee
in
august,
the
third
wednesday,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
common
council.
A
Who
can
you
know
the
council
can
approve
it,
modify
it
or
or
disapprove
it.
So
there
would
be
an
opportunity
even
for
modification,
on
the
floor,
as
has
occurred
in
prior
projects.
You
may
remember
that
there
was
a
you
know,
a
living
wage.
A
Oh
I
mean
a
local
labor
requirement
added
on
the
floor
of
the
council
for
the
for
the
green
street
garage
project.
So
they
do
have
options
to
you
know
to
make
some
modifications
at
that
point
in
time,
but
I
think
it
would
be
far
we'd
be
far
ahead
of
the
game.
If
we
could
all
rain,
you
know
work
on
the
same
project
and
have
the
and
not
have
modifications
on
the
fly
sure.
B
Anybody
else
nope
great,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded.
I
just
I
proposed
an
amendment.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
is
satisfactory
to
leslie
and
doug,
who
moved
and
amended
it.
Yes,
great.
Okay,
then
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
this,
as
amended.
B
Dnms40:
okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Everybody
we'll
move
this
then
to
the
iura's
meeting
on
july
28th
and
as
nells
just
noted
on
to
the
common
council.
Should
I
get
approved
there?
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
those
of
you
who
came
only
for
this
agenda
item
have
a
good
rest
of
your
afternoon.
There's
a
lot
of
riveting
stuff
here.
So
if
you
want
to
hang
on
the
other
good
things,
okay,
so
I'd
like
this
to
move
then
to
item
six
on
the
agenda
6a,
which
is
a
community
lending
project,
loan
application
for
sons
of
season
llc,
which
is
doing
business
as
personal
best
brewing
so
nils,
I'm
going
to
hand
it
to
you
because
it
sounds
like
you
also
have
a
few
updates
on
this
project.
A
And
charles,
I
don't
know,
is,
is
anthony
in
the
weight
in
the
middle.
A
All
right,
this
is
a
really
I'll
get
started
here.
This
is
a
really
exciting:
okay,
okay.
So
this
is
a
really
exciting
project,
because
because
it's
a
project,
that's
also
been
in
the
works
for
several
years
and
got
interrupted
by
covet
issues.
But
this
is
you
know,
to
redevelop
the
city
health
building
on
the
300
block
at
west
state
street,
into
an
8
000
square
foot
brew
pub
with
an
outdoor
beer
garden,
full
food
service
operations.
A
Our
plan
for
the
project,
tom
knight,
the
the
deputy
director
for
economic
development
and
I
had
a
chance
to
tour
the
interior
of
the
site.
Probably
three
months
ago
now
at
least,
and
it's
a
very
impressive
facility
inside
they've,
done
a
lot
of
work
and
roof
new
sistering,
three
indoor
courts,
full
full
courts.
You
know
for
activities
open,
open
garage
doors
leading
out
to
the
to
the
garden,
so
the
interior
is
very
impressive.
A
10
10
bathrooms
are
in
included
in
the
facility
and,
of
course,
the
10
barrel
brewing
system,
which
is
visible
from
from
all
parts
of
the
facility.
So
it's
a
really
impressive
physical
project
and
what's
impressive
about
the
loan
application,
is
that
there
has
been
there's
no
debt
owed
on
this
project.
A
Yet
so
so
it's
all
been
with
equity
investment
of
the
family
and
and
the
owner,
and
so
we're
at
a
point
now
where
they
they
were
they're,
tapped
out
essentially
with
their
equity
at
this
point
and
are
seeking
140
000
to
finish
the
project,
which
is
primarily
you
know,
final
machinery
and
equipment
landscaping,
issues
along
with
working
capital,
and
so
they
are
projecting
about
13
new
jobs
of
the
project
they
have
planned
to
operate
till
10
pm
every.
A
I
think
every
weekday
I
think
it
was
a
plan
and
have
125
seats.
So
it's
a
really
large
facility
and
is
going
to
really
potentially
change
the
nature
of
this
block
face
because
it's
been
on,
you
know,
kind
of
boarded
up
or
feeling
boarded
up
for
so
long.
We
have
some
adjacent
vacancies,
so
this
is
a
real
target
area
for
reinvestment
and
for
increasing
the
foot
traffic
on
the
300
block.
I
think
this
project
can
really
drive
that
home
and
create
some
benefits
for
the
area.
A
They
seem
to
have
strong
knowledge
in
the
brewing
industry,
but
as
any
startup,
it's
going
to
be
fraught
with
risks,
especially
as
the
owner
doesn't
have
a
strong
business
operating
background
really
more
of
the
brewing
side.
But
the
advantages
are
that
they
have
a
landlord
who
is
a
family
member
who
is
very
committed
to
making
the
project
successful.
A
In
addition
to
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
equity
was
was
family
fund,
so
the
recommendation
is
to
approve
a
loan
for
140
000,
with
a
first
lien
position
on
assets
currently
owned
or
or
or
acquired.
I
should
note
that
the
the
brew
system
is
a
lease,
so
that's
that
would
not
be
eligible
for
collateral
for
the
agency
and,
secondly,
that
there
would
be
an
interest
rate.
A
Our
typical
approach
of
an
interest
rate
of
three
and
a
half
percent
knocked
down
to
two
and
a
half
percent
upon
meeting
the
job
goals
and
holding
them
steady
for
two
consecutive
quarters
in
roughly
a
five-year
repayment
period
for
the
loans
after
a
six-month
drawdown
of
the
funds,
because
there
is
no
no
debt
in
front
of
the
agency
on
this
proposal.
A
A
The
owner's
father,
who
is
the
owner
of
the
real
estate
and
the
indication
is
that
the
borrower
has
agreed
to
that
to
that
term.
So
we
have
a
financial
guarantee,
in
addition
to
a
first
lien
security
interest
on
assets
of
the
building.
It
is
a
lease
property,
so
they
don't.
You
know
the
real
estate
is
not
available,
but
we
would
kind
of
get
through
that
a
little
bit
with
some
assistance
from
the
property
owner
playing
the
role
of
financial
guarantor.
A
So
there
is,
I
think
we
have.
We
have
some
conditions
to
clarify
some
of
the
terms
that
were
discussed
in
the
loan
analysis.
I
think
that
h
and
companies
loan
analysis
did
a
good
job.
It
is.
I
do
want
to
note
that
there
was
not
heavy
reliance
on
scrutinizing
the
revenues
and
expenses
in
some
respects
they
seem.
A
They
seem
optimistic
some
of
those
numbers
to
me,
but
on
the
other
hand,
we
recognize
that
there,
the
the
break-even
point,
is
relatively
low
on
this
project
because
they
don't
have
existing
debt
and
most
of
the
expenses
are
variable
costs.
So,
if
you
have,
you
know
payroll
par,
you
know
primarily
the
payroll
and
staffing
so
and
that
the
the
rent
is
being
waived
for
the
first
couple
of
months
and
the
property
taxes
which
are
usually
passed
through
the
tenant
are
waived
until
the
project
is
profitable.
A
So
there's
a
number
of
features
here
that
help
make
this
project
financially
feasible.
Even
if
you
step
back
the
the
revenues
and
the
expenses,
you
know
dramatically,
I
think
still
think
it's
a
pretty
strong.
A
It's
pretty
pretty
low
risk
for
the
agency,
all
things
considered,
but
I'm
not
here
to
defend
every
number
on
the
revenue
and
the
expense
side,
because
I
think
they're
I
think
they're
optimistic
and
but
I
do
think
it's
a
it's
a
a
wise
choice
for
this
for
the
agency
to
consider
this
loan
and
because
of
the
community
benefits
and
the
strengths
that
I
mentioned
in
terms
of
lack
of
lack
of
debt
and
and
the
fact
that
the
liquor
licenses
are
all
lined
up
and
in
place.
A
D
Hey
yeah
is
the
developer
here
there
was
somebody
in
the
wait,
the
waiting
room
or
no
is
it
just
are
it's.
A
I
did,
I
did
invite
the
the
owner,
I
don't
I
mean
I'm
wonderful
they're.
Not
here
I
mean
they're,
not
waiting.
A
It's
possible
they're,
watching
the
live
stream
and
that
in
the
meeting.
D
Okay,
well,
I
wanted
to
say
I'm
really
excited
about
the
project.
I'd
be
happy
to
support
it,
but
I
would
actually
ask
if
we
could
put
in
a
request
that
they
consider
developing
non-alcoholic
a
at
least
one
non-alcoholic
specialty
drink
to
add
to
the
menu.
D
If,
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
the
public
benefit,
because
I
think
that
actually
opens
up
more
more
of
the
community
to
use
and
enjoy
the
space,
I'm
not
gonna
drink
alcohol,
for
instance.
So
you
know
it'd
be
nice.
If
there
was
a
specialty
non-alcoholic
drink
considered.
So
I'd
like
to
ask
that
they
consider
that
and
that
we
put
that
in
just
ask
them
to
consider
it.
G
Sure
I
am
delighted
to
consider
having
a
second
local
brewery
within
you
know,
five
blocks
of
my
house.
I
think
all
of
green
street
is
going
to
be
brewery
brewery
row
pretty
soon,
but
that's
that's
pretty
cool.
In
any
case,
the
I
agree
with
nells
your
summary
that
you
think
that
their
profit
margins
are
a
little
optimistic.
I
think
both
some
of
the
expenses
are
probably
going
to
be
higher
and
their
revenues
are
going
to
be
lower.
G
That's
my
general
experience
with
startups,
but
the
area
that
I
was
most
concerned
about
in
terms
of
expenses
is
the
payroll
because
looking
through
their
proposed
wage
scale,
I
think
it's
very
uncompetitive,
particularly
given
two
factors,
one
that
jobs
are
plentiful
and
staff
are
not
right
now,
so
people
can
find
higher
wages
than
you
know.
These
might
have
been
proposed
wages
that,
were
you
know,
penciled
out
in
2020
or
2021.
G
I
think
they
should
rethink
them.
Given
that
you
know,
what's
it
called
dunkin
donuts
or
duncan
whatever
they
call
themselves
now
is,
is
paying
like
16.50
an
hour,
and
so
you
know,
36
000
for
a
full-time
brewing
assistant
is
not
it's
not
competitive.
G
A
Well,
the
in
terms
of
the
because
we're
using
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
funds
that
are
recycled,
they
have
a
requirement
that
there
must
be
primary
benefit
for
low
and
moderate
income
persons.
So
that's
where
we
establish
the
standard
that
at
least
51
of
the
jobs
must
be
filled
by
somebody
who
is
low
and
moderate
at
the
time
they
take
the
job.
They
can
be
paid
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
but
they
have
to
be
low
and
moderate
at
the
time
they
take.
A
The
job,
and
the
agency
over
historically
has
discussed
the
issue
of
living
wages
as
a
benefit
for
a
project
and
factored
it
into
some
projects,
but
it
also
it's
been
a
nuanced
discussion
I
would
say
with
the
agency,
because
in
some
cases
you
know
the
living
wage
numbers
are
hard
to
project
going
forward.
A
When
they're,
I
think
we're
due
for
another
one
pretty
soon
right
in
terms
of
an
update,
and
it
provides
a
lot
of
uncertainty
for
employers
when
they
don't
know
what
they're
committing
to
so
they've
we've
found
that
they're
willing
to
commit
to
numbers
they
can
analyze,
but
when
it
says
you
must
meet
the
living
wage
that
might
go
up
every
two
years
for
the
next.
You
know
eight
years
of
your
loan
term.
It
provides
a
lot
of
trepidation
for
for
borrowers
in
the
past.
A
Having
said
that,
you
know
the
living
wages
closer
to
1550
in
the
last.
You
know
two
years
ago,
I'm
sure
it's
probably
likely
to
be
increased,
going
forward
the
wages
here
you
know,
like
you
mentioned,
the
the
cook
store,
we're
at
19
and
and
the
bartenders
are
14
plus
tips.
So
I
think
there's
a
sense
that
the
tips
are
gonna
be
significant,
but
basically
you
know
that
is
a
pretty
low
hourly
wage.
I
would
say
I
agree
with
you
and
those,
but.
G
Even
at
that
higher
level,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
folks
have
been
following
the
trajectory
of
the
median.
But
now
today
from
the
2022
numbers
from
hud
80
of
median
for
a
one
person
household
is
56.
000
and
median
is
70,
which
is
almost
twice
what
they're
proposing
for
you
know
the
lowest
end
of
their
employees,
so
I
think
they
could
do
better
I'd
like
to
see
them
strive
to
do
better.
I
don't
know
that
we,
you
know,
as
the
iura
necessarily
need
to
put
down
the
hammer,
since
that's
been
tough
to
do.
G
But
may
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
carrot
that
we
can
offer
either,
but
you
know
kind
of
like
charlotte
was
suggesting
that
we
recommend
the
development
of
non-alcoholic
options.
I
think
suggesting
gently
or
forcefully
that
they
number
one.
This
would
be
better
for
the
community
benefit
number
two.
It
might
be
important
for
the
business
angle
because
they
might
have
a
hard
time
finding
quality
staff
if
they're,
offering
wages
that
are
frankly
low
for
for
the
current
economy,.
B
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
guess
the
only
thing
would
be.
I
guess
you
sort
of
alluded
to
this
nils
and
your
comments.
You
know
I
mean
you
know
it's.
If
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
you're
thinking
here
leslie,
but
you
know
if
wages
were
payroll
was
say,
underestimated
for
market
by
some
percentage,
20
or
25
percent.
I
don't
know
you
know,
take
a
stab
at
that
number.
Leslie
like
it
looks
like
without
doing
the
math
here
that
they
still
have
adequate
cash
flow,
even
if
their
payroll
costs
were.
B
20
or
25
percent
higher
yeah,
it
looks
like
they
do,
but
I
mean
it
makes
a
big
difference,
like
our
analysis
is
based
on
these
wages
and
if
they
discover
that
they
can't
pay
these
wages
and
they
have
to
do
something
significantly
higher.
How
would
it
and
revenue
then
decline?
Their
revenue
up
was
overly
optimistic
by
some
factor
as
well,
then
do
they
actually
have
positive
cash
flow?
I
guess
that
analysis
would
have
to
be
done.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
those
are
issues
that
would
be
best
addressed
if
the
if
the
applicant
were
able
to
answer
those
right
themselves.
I
do
note
that
the
the
underwriter
had
done
about
25
different
brewpubs
in
their
portfolio
of
loan
analysis,
and
they
really
made
a
point
of
saying
that
at
least
to
me
I
mean
I
think
it's
in
the
written
report
as
well,
that
the
key
ingredient
they
found
that
why
brew
pubs
don't
make
it
financially.
A
One
of
the
keys
is
when
they
are
burdened
with
heavy
debt
and
fixed
costs,
and
this
is
a
project
that
doesn't
have
those
factors
to
worry
about.
They
have
other
factors
to
worry
about
the
wage
scale
in
ithaca.
You
know
the
the
you
know:
seasonality
of
ithaca
yeah.
You
know
all
these,
you
know
and
it's
you
know
it's
not.
A
It's
300
block
it's
close
to
the
commons,
but
it's
not
the
commons
and
it's
a
you
know,
not
an
area
that
people
have
you
know
current
currently
flocking
to,
for
you
know
as
a
pedestrian
focus
right
now,
so
they're
they're
they're,
going
to
have
some
challenges.
They're
going
to
have
to
work
through,
and
some
great
amenities
like
the
beer
garden
component
is
going
to
be,
could
be
a
very
great
attraction
for
this
project
as
well
as
for
the
city
and
the
neighborhood,
but
you're
right,
there's
some
as
a
startup.
A
I
think
lizzie's
pointed
out
some
real
key
issues
that
are
gonna
they're
gonna
have
to
work
through
and
they're
gonna
have
to
have.
You
know,
they're
gonna
have
to
have
staff
right,
you
know,
make
it
work
and
that's
a
lesson
that's
going
to
have
to
be
learned.
I
do
think
that
there
is,
since
we've
seen
significant
investment
from
the
family
and
the
in
the
improvements
to
the
building.
There
may
be
some
additional
support
going
forward
if
necessary,
and
we
did
build
in
some
pretty
hefty
working
capital
on
this
project.
A
D
I
just
did
a
super
quick
back
of
the
envelope
because
their
total
payrolls
for
the
year
and
their
12
months
is
385
000.
So
if
that's
25,
if
they
need
to
spend
25
more,
that's
roughly
96
000,
so
they
have
the
gross
profit
to
absorb
that
and
still
make
the
debt
service
if
they
end
up,
if
their
payroll
is
estimated
to
be
25
percent
too
low.
D
And
it's
just
off
their
gross
numbers,
but
they
could
afford
it.
So
I
think
if
I
agree
with
leslie,
I
think
if
we
put
something
in
it
says
we
strongly
exist.
It
strongly
suggests
they
consider
revising
the
pay
scales
to
be
more
competitive
in
light
of
current
market
conditions
and
benefit
to
the
community,
or
something
like
that.
D
But
I
don't
know
if
we
can
require
that
that's
that's
kind
of
a.
B
Yeah
exactly
I
mean
I
think,
we're
more.
I
think
mostly,
I
mean
the
way
I
kind
of
see
the
spirit
of
these
comments.
Is
we
just
wanna?
We
want
them
to
be
successful.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
adequately
forecasting
what
their
actual
cost
structure
is
going
to
be,
and
thank
you
for
doing
that
back
of
the
napkin,
so
we
have
a
sense
of
it.
That's
great!
So,
okay,
so
we've
got
two
issues
that
somehow
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
communicate
to
them.
B
One
is
a
high
priority
on.
I
don't
know
if
you
call
it
specialty
or
exclusive
or
something
like
non-alcoholic.
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
and
I
think
we
I'd
like
us
to
think
about
that
with
alcohol
since
intensive
things
going
forward
anyway,
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
that
we
should
look
at
for
all
alcohol,
intensive
loans
and
other
investments,
and
the
second
is
yeah.
B
A
G
D
I
feel
a
little
stronger
than
that.
I
mean
I
but
yeah
I'd
vote
for
it
if
it's
not
included
in
a
whereas,
but
I
don't
see
why
we
wouldn't
just
put
in
a
whereas
saying
you
know,
whereas
the
committee
thinks
community
benefit
would
be
enhanced
by
a
reassessment
of
the
wage
scale
and
consideration
of
non-alcoholic
specialty
beverage
choices.
D
D
That
in
because
I
think
it
actually
does
something
kind
of
nice
ongoing,
because
we
do
consider
a
lot
of
these
different
things
and
wage
scale
and
being
open
to
all
the
community,
whether
they
happen
to
be
sober
or
not.
You
know
it's
just
nice
to
be
able
to
go
into
a
place
and
yeah
they.
Okay,
they've
got
all
these
specialty
drinks
and
then
they've
got
coke
and
diet
coke.
If
they
maybe
you
know.
D
B
I
think
the
idea
of
the,
whereas
is
a
good
one
if
we
can
just
draft
something
on
the
fly
carl
you
want
to
chime
in
here
as
well.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
You
know
another
committee
community
benefit
would
be
a
workforce
that
reflects
the
diversity
of
the
downtown
location.
So
you
know
they're
right
in
the
heart
of
of
well.
I
wasn't
a
heart
but
close
to
the
heart
of
the
south
side,
so
seeing
a
diverse
workforce
which,
with
family
owned
businesses,
sometimes
can
be
an
issue.
You
know
they
tend
to
hire
family
members,
but
I
think,
if
we're
talking
to
the
the
owners
about
about
community
benefits,
that's
one
I
would
like
to
see
mention
to
them.
B
F
Anyway,
can
you
hear
me
all
right,
yeah.
F
So
the
fourth
one
yeah
I'm
very
excited
about
this.
I
know
we've
been
talking
for
years
how
to
build
the
connection
between
like
the
commons
and
the
500
block,
the
lively
section
of
west
state
street,
and
I
think
this
could
be
a
critical
component
in
that.
But
frankly
I
haven't
been
by
there
lately,
but
that
building
has
been
pretty
shabby
for
quite
a
while.
So
has
it
been
worked
on
on
the
exterior,
yet
mills.
A
They're
getting
their
they've
done
more
work
on
the
green
street
side
and
the
beer
garden
side,
which
is,
though,
the
west
side,
the
the
funding.
The
plan
is
to
reopen
an
entrance
on
greens
on
state
street
if
they
have
sufficient
funding,
which
they
didn't
have
at
the
time
when
they
applied
to
for
the
ira.
A
With
the
funding
from
the
ira,
I
expect
they
would
have
the
resources
to
be
able
to
reopen
that
door
on
the
front
door
so
to
speak,
of
of
on
state
street,
but
right
now
their
their
main
entrance
is
going
to
be
on
on
the
green
street
side.
It's
just
designed
that
way.
I
guess
it's
coming
in,
but
they
will
have
another
entrance
on
there.
A
B
A
So
it's
a
big
reporting
responsibility
and
it
also
increases
the
wage
structure
which
can
be
good
for
wages
for
those
laborers,
but
it
can.
It
can
trigger
the
wages
on
the
entire
project
to
have
to
be
paid,
not
just
the
use
of
our
funds.
So
we
we've
we're
structuring
this
one
that
they
not
use
ira
funds
for
construction
activity,
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
know.
Funding
is
money,
is
fungible
and
if
they're
successful
enough,
they
will
have
other
resources.
C
B
A
I
think
I'm
viewing
this
as
the
fourth
bullet
in
the
in
the
community
benefits
we'd
like
to
point
out
for
management
to
consider.
You
know
where
is
statement
right,
yeah.
D
B
B
B
I
don't
think
I
asked
for
a
motion
because
I
think
we
meant
right
from
nell's
discussion
of
it
right
into
the
heart
of
the
discussion.
So
would
someone
move
the
resolution
then,
as
amended
with
the
whereas
to
be
drafted?
Thank
you
charlotte.
I
see
your
hand
there
seconded
leslie.
Thank
you
all
those
in
favor
that
is
uns
four
to
zero.
B
Okay,
now
we
are
moving
on
to
a
modification
of
a
lease
agreement
with
the
ithaca
farmers
market,
which
is
on.
B
B
I
don't
know
what
page
this
is:
okay,
page
108
of
your
packet,
we
I
believe,
looked
at
this
before
and
then
it
disappeared
into
the
dark
tunnel
of
other
things,
and
it's
come
back
so
nells.
You
want
to
be
viewing
us
up
to
speed
as
to
the
kind
of
conversations
that
have
been
ongoing
related
to
this,
since
maybe
we
last
looked
at
this.
A
You're
right,
this
went
on
hiatus
for
a
couple
of
months.
Yeah,
the
the
farmers
market
was
approached
by
employees
who
commute
to
burning
inc
about
use
of
their
the
parking
lot
at
steamship
steamboat
landing
as
a
place
where
they
could
monday
through
friday,
convene
you
know,
gather
together
and
take
a
chartered
bus
to
corning
incorporated
and
come
back
on
the
bus.
A
A
The
the
proposal
was
brought
forward
for
internal
discussion
with
the
mayor
and
city
staff
and
a
closer
reading
of
the
lease
terms
and
for
for
your
information.
The
city
leases
this
property
to
the
urban
renewal
agency,
who,
in
turn
subleases
it
to
the
ethical
farmers
market
cooperative
and
with
some
specialized
terms
that
were
really
really
customized
to
support
the
farmers
market
function,
as
well
as
public
recreation
on
this
site
when
it's
not
in
operations.
A
So
the
the
main
thresher
was
that
there
was
general
openness
to
the
idea
of
a
park
and
ride
because
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
which
encourages
or
discourages
single
car
occupancy
vehicles
driving
all
around
the
city.
When
there's
an
opportunity
for
transit
opportunities.
A
The
fact
that
the
parking
you
know
spaces
of
over
300
spaces
have
have
very
large
vacancies
monday
through
friday
work
days
and
but
the
concern
that
it's
not
gonna,
set
a
precedent
for
privatizing
public
space
or
crowd
out
public
use
of
the
site.
So
the
the
the
resolution
which
is
going
to
the
planning
economic
development
committee
tomorrow
mirrors
the
resolution
in
your
packet
and
it
authorizes
a
park
and
ride
for
up
to
50
vehicles
monday
through
friday,
with
some
protections
that
had
not
become
privatized
or
viewed
as
privatized.
A
So
they
can't
reserve
a
parking
space
for
their
users.
It's
got
to
be
just
a
right
to
hunt
in
the
parking
lot
for
the
commuters,
who
realistically
are
going
to
be
first
ones
there
in
the
morning,
because
it's
going
to
be
they're
committed
at
seven
or
eight
in
the
morning
and
coming
back
at
six
at
night
or
so
so
again,
you
know
50
parking
spaces
out
of
a
a
lot
that
has
over
300
is
probably
going
to
provide
plenty
of
opportunity
for
public
use
of
the
remainder
of
the
parking
lot.
A
That
was
the
sense
and
that
this
was
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
So
this
is
a
resolution.
That's
contingent
upon
the
common
council
approving
a
similar
resolution,
but
does
authorize
a
park
and
ride
function
that
the
ethic
I
think
a
farmer's
market
would
negotiate
with
with
the
user
group.
And
it
would,
you
know,
the
city
would
not
be
involved
in
other
than
city
or
ira
would
not
be
involved
other
than
granting
permission
in
the
lease
agreement.
A
I
did
say
there
were
mirror
resolutions.
In
fact,
I
think
I
put
the
wrong
one
in
the
package.
What
it
says
is
rather
than
the
common
council,
who
hereby
authorizes.
E
E
A
Here
I
authorizes
an
amendment
release
my
error
in
that
the
terms
and
conditions
are
exactly
the
same:
okay,.
B
So
the
warehouses
are
all
the
same
as
well.
So
all
the
whereases
are
the
same
correct
and
then
the
only
changes
that
instead
of
the
common
council
for
the
city
of
this
is
the
urban
humility
agency.
B
Okay,
all
right,
that's
fine!
We
can
all
make
that
work
in
our
minds.
I
think
any
any
sort
of
questions.
F
All
right,
I
have
a
comment
that
I
hope
could
be
related
to
them.
As
part
of
this,
I
think
it's
great
that
they're
looking
for
other
sources
of
funding
for
parking
income
there,
but
I
have
a
suggestion
that
they
charge
for
parking
on
saturdays
and
sundays
and
then
use
that
income
to
buy
or
pay
for
some
parking
monitors
to
help
with
traffic
flow
and
maybe
run
a
shuttle
over
from
the
dmv
parking
lot,
because
parking
is
and
general
traffic
is
getting
super
crazy
in
that
area.
D
B
Who
is
responsible
for
maintaining
the
the
watercraft
access,
that
is
for
kayaks
and
canoes,
which
says
like
the
the
blue
trail?
Is
that
also
the
farmers
market,
or
is
that
the
city
or
is
that
privately
maintained
by
somebody
else?
It
is
completely
overgrown
now.
A
Well,
the
the
city
owns
the
entire
site.
Of
course,
we've
leased
the
entire
site
to
the
farmers
market
with
conditions
that
they
provide
public
recreational
access.
I
think
we
might
be
able
to
communicate
with.
We
can
find
a
party
who
might
be
able
to
improve
it.
I
agree
I
was
by
there
the
other
day
and
it's
with
no
rain.
It's
it's
pretty
overgrown
for
a
summer
with
no
rain.
A
Has
nothing
to
do
with
this
proposal,
but
what
I
do
want
to
mention
to
folks
is
that
you're
probably
aware
that
there's
a
plan
for
redeveloping
the
farmers
market
in
the
parking
lot,
so
there's
going
to
be
another
lease
negotiation,
that's
going
to
have
to
take
place
or
an
amendment
to
the
lease
that
could
bring
up
some
of
the
issues
you're
raising
here
now
as
part
of
that
larger
renegotiation.
C
A
Know
my
expectation
is,
in
the
next
two
years:
there'll
be
a
pretty
full-scale
re-evaluation
of
the
lease
agreement
to
permit
their
improvements
that
they're
proposing
and
have
been
approved
by
the
planning
board.
So
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
raise
some
of
the
issues
and
clarify
some
of
the
issues.
Maybe
it's
just
a
matter
of
clarity.
Who's
supposed
to
maintain
the
you
know,
the
the
boat
access
component
and
also
an
opportunity
to
rethink
that
parking.
Doug
you're,
probably
aware
that
they
did
have.
You
know
parking
monitors
a
couple
years
ago.
A
G
So
speaking
of
maintaining
things,
but
my
comment
is
relevant
to
this
proposal.
It
wasn't
clear
to
me,
I
feel,
like
I
saw
somewhere
in
here,
something
about
snow
and
other
general
maintenance
of
the
parking
area.
That's
rarely
an
issue
during
the
farmers
market
season,
because
that
doesn't
include
winter,
but
clearly
these
employees
are
going
to
be
getting
to
work
for
12
months
of
the
year,
who
plows
the
lot
during
the
winter.
A
A
G
Okay,
so
not
not
for
the
city
to
worry
about.
The
other
question
I
had
was
the
parking
spots
aren't
going
to
be
technically
reserved
or
designated
as
park
and
red
people
park
here,
but
they're
supposed
to
be
up
to
50,
but
they're
not
designated.
So
how?
How
is
that
limit
going
to
be
enforced?
Or
is
it
going
to
be
the
whole
businesses
honor
system?
G
I'm
guessing
they're,
going
to
have
only
about
50
spots
on
a
bus
anyway,
so
it
might
be
self-limiting,
but
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
thought
process
was.
A
I
don't
think
we
gave
a
lot
of
thought
to
how
the
enforcement's
going
to
occur.
The
request
was
only
for
one
bus
at
this
point
in
time
and
it's
probably
based
on
the
number
of
employees
who
commute
from
ithaca
area
to
corning,
but
we
do
want
to
have.
A
A
So
they're,
probably
going
to
want
to
you,
know,
they'll,
probably
migrate
towards
parking
closer
to
or
furthest
from
the
water,
because
that'll
be
closest
to
where
the
bus
is,
and
that's
probably
what
we'll
see
in
practice.
A
A
B
A
Have
a
grant
summary:
a
loan
report,
a
loan
repayment
report
at
least
repayment
report.
We
have
a
couple
of
grants
that
are
a
little
slow
and
moving
and
we're
taking
action
to
force
them
to
either
use
the
funds
or
return
the
funds,
and
so
that's
a
process
that
is
pretty
much.
The
neighborhood
investment
committee
is
is
taking
the
lead
on
and
you'll,
probably
see,
there'll
be
a
reprogramming
coming
to
the
ira.
For
a
couple
of
these
projects
that
have
funds
remaining
after
their
funding
agreement
has
expired
in
terms
of
the
loan
repayments.
A
We've
had
people
who
are
late
on
payments
are
current
now
and
we
have
a
few
who
are
who
have
been
historically
current,
who
are
late
this
year
this
time,
so
the
two
borrowers
who
are
late,
thompson's,
community
action
and
ithaca
downtown
associates.
That's
the
canopy
hotel,
I've
communicated
with
both
of
them
in
the
past.
There
have
been
some.
You
know
a
week
to
ten
day
delay
issue
in
terms
of
payments.
E
A
The
u.s
mail
system,
and
in
the
past
that
has
resulted
in
some
unforeseen
delays
due
to
transit,
time
and
deliveries,
but
we'll
give
you
an
update
on
that.
You
know
next
month,
we'll
know
where
they
stand.
I
don't
have
any
reason
to
think
these
are
major
issues
with
these
borrowers
they've
been
historically
making
the
payments
as
it
relates
to
the
lease
report
were,
were
steady.
A
All
pro
is
always
about
two
days
late
in
making
the
payment
so
it
gets
booked
after
we
do
the
monthly
statement,
so
we're
good
at
all
the
leases-
and
I
did
receive
notice
from
precision
filters
that
they
do
intend
to
move
forward
with
the
acquisition
of
their
site
at
200
240
cherry
street,
so
that
is
likely
to
end
being
removed
off
of
this
lease
report.
H
A
B
Okay,
any
staff
report.
A
I
did
have
a
couple
of
quick
items.
Besides
precision
filters
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
the
restore
new
york
round
six
has
been
announced
by
the
state
they're
making
available
250
million
dollars
for
renovations
of
vacant
or
mostly
vacant
buildings.
The
most
recent
project
in
ithaca
was
the
press
bay
court
project
and
the
and
associated
buildings,
as
well
as
the
property
on
the
300
block
that
teresa
halpert
renovated
the
historic
property.
A
So
the
city
is
looking
at
how
to
take
advantage
of
this
program,
there's
up
to
two
million
dollars
available
by
with
a
deadline
for
submission
of
a
preliminary
application,
very
very
preliminary
by
august,
9th
and
then
a
second
round
of
round
seven,
where
150
million
dollars
available,
where
the
initial
intent
to
apply
has
to
be
submitted
by
october
9th.
So
there's
a
really
it's
only
three
weeks
before
that
deadline
comes
so,
I
know
right
now.
A
So
I'll
give
you
more
update.
As
we
know
more
about
that,
but
that
type
the
way
the
process
works
is
you
have
to.
You-
can
submit
up
to
two
projects
in
a
summary
format
by
august
9th,
and
then
the
final
application
has
to
be
submitted
by
october
and
must
be
one
of
the
two
projects
that
you
put
forth,
isn't
and
to
apply
so
projects
that
need
a
little
more
time
to
develop,
probably
be
better
situated
for
that
october
deadline,
rather
than
the
august
deadline.
A
Maybe
six
times
in
a
row
never
been
able
to
get
the
funding
for
that
10
or
10
or
20
million
dollar
award,
but
they
are
trying
to
put
together
a
competitive
application
again
this
year,
so
that
that's
another
opportunity
to
look
for,
and
I
believe
the
focus
this
year
the
city
is
looking
at
is
maybe
extending
the
downtown
west
along
the
west
state
street
corridor,
so
it
could
really
fit
in
well
with
some
of
the
issues
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
connecting
downtown
with
west
state
corridor
and
then
finally,
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
that
there
was
a
resignation
from
the
ethic
urban
renewal
agency
eric
rosario
resigned.
A
The
mayor
has
selected
a
replacement.
Donna
fleming
is,
is
the
newest
member
of
the
ethica
urban
renal
agency
she'll
probably
be
appointed
to
the
governance
committee
to
take
the
place
that
eric
was
serving
so
those
are
the
updates
I
have
from
the
staff
any
questions?
Yes,
doug.
A
I
I
would
say
that
tom
knight
has
been
busy.
I
don't,
I
don't
actually
know
about
the
announcements.
I
thought
they'll
have
to
learn
more
about
it.
Can
you
send
me
the
link
or
is
it
was
it
in.
F
Yeah
I
was
just
trying
to
find
it.
I
thought
I
saw
an
ethical
voice
but
I'll
I'll
forward
it
to
you.
A
I
I
think
it
might
be
referring
to
the
developing
neighborhood
that
includes
the
art
house,
as
well
as
the
former
palanjali
facility.
I
think
vism
has
kind
of
branded
it
as
a
as
a
as
a
as
a
high-tech
neighborhood
concept.
I
believe
that
might
be
what
it's
related
to,
and
there
has
been
some
they
have
committed
to
do.
G
D
Hey,
I
was
just
asking
about
the
new
member
kind
of
interviews
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
saw
carl
graham,
but
I
missed
the
start
of
the
meeting.
So
is
he
considering
joining
and
then
I
put
forward
a
couple
you
were
talking
about
herbert.
A
Carl's
already
a
member
of
the
agency,
so
he
serves
on
the
neighborhood
investment
committee.
So
he's
probably
not
looking
for
another
committee
to
serve
on
right
now,
maybe
but
no
we're
reached
out
and
asked
several
of
the
applicants
to
submit
their
application
form
to
the
city.
Then
the
city
informs
us
when
when
they
have
received
it
and
we
start
up
our
own
individual
process
frankly
this
last
week,
I
didn't
have
much
time
to
focus
on
it.
That's.
D
A
But
I
it's
it's,
our
to-do
list
is,
we've
got
three
or
four
at
least
three
or
four
names
in
the
hopper.
People
are
interested
and
we're
communicating
with
so
we
want
to.
We
want
to
fill
up
some
of
the
vacancies
and
it's
we've
got
some
pretty
interesting,
strong
candidates.
I'd
say
too
yeah.
B
I
appreciate
it
appreciate
your
support,
assuming
everyone
actually
fills
in
the
actual
application,
the
people
who
have
expressed
interest,
I
feel
like
we're
in
a
good,
solid
place
compared
to
where
that-
hopefully,
I
don't
know-
maybe
by
september
no-
so
am
I
being
optimistic
about
that?
Maybe
we
can
have
some
some
activity
for
new
committee
members.
So
okay
are.
G
A
D
Well,
just
so
on
a
scheduling
note,
I
can't
make
any
meeting
in
september,
but
just
just
to
note
please
but
okay,
let
me
put
this
down.
Thank.
B
If
we
do
august
9th,
which
is
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
I
would
need
doug
to
chair
and
then
leslie
and
charlotte
would
have
to
be
here
for
there
to
be
quorum.
G
A
Right,
the
the
inlet
island
urban
real
project
has
a
submission
deadline
of
august,
8th
for
submission
of
the
developers,
conceptual
project
in
greater
detail
and
the
proposal
for
acquiring
the
site.
I
don't
anticipate
that's
going
to
be
ready
for
the
august
ed
meeting,
because
it's
coming
the
deadlines
the
day
before
the
meeting
so.
D
A
We
may
yeah,
if
we
don't
have
another
member,
we
still.
Maybe
we
should
think
about
a
substitute
meeting
time-
yeah,
maybe
in
late
august,
so
the
only
action
night
I'm
coming
forward
for
the
d
committee-
that
I
can
anticipate
right
now,
what
might
be
for
the
agency
to
play
a
role
in
that
restore
new
york,
grant
process
of
soliciting
proposals
or
reviewing
summary
proposals
received?
If
we
don't
have
that,
I
think
that
the
agents
in
unless
the
ira
pushes
back
the
east
hill
fire
project.
A
I
don't
think
we
have
an
action
item
scheduled
for
the
august
meeting
right
now,
so
that
we
may
not
have
a
need
for
an
august
9th
meeting.
But
maybe
we
would
look
at
something
later
in
the
month
after
the
developer
from
has
submitted.
Something
for
inland
island
might
be
an
opportunity
for
us.
D
H
G
D
B
B
We
might
yet
still
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
also
like
I
mean
obviously
at
this
point:
it's
our
discretion.
So
if
the
emergency
order
is
in
place,
we
could
still
meet
in
person.
If
we
so
chose.
I
told
nels
to
move
ahead
with
virtual,
because
I
just
thought
it
was
easier
for
the
community
members,
but
it.
F
A
B
G
B
G
But
nells
didn't
you
say
there
was
some
other
weird
requirement
that,
like
the
location
where
the
remote
person
is
gonna
be
has
to
be
publicly
known.
I
this
came
up
when
I
was
gonna,
be
in
california.
G
A
Allows
for
remote
participation
prior
to
all
these
changes
that
a
a
lot
as
long
as
the
public
could
be
in
the
remote
location,
where
the
person
was
joining.
The
meeting
remotely
like
in
their
hotel
room.
D
A
D
G
Well,
we
also
need
to
think
about
orienting
our
new
member,
because
it's
it's
a
bit
of
a
learning
curve,
if
no
one,
if
someone
comes
in
without
any
idea
of
what's
on
our
plate
or
what
we
usually
do,
that
first
meeting
is
going
to
be
trial
by
fire.
B
I
think
nells,
and
I
could
certainly
spend
a
little
time
with
that
person
in
advance
unless
we
really
wanted
them
to
see
them
sweat
in
the
first
meeting.
Okay,
if
there's
no
other
business
I'll
entertain
a
motion
to
adjourn
today.
Thank
you
very
much,
leslie
and
charlotte
seconded
that
we're
we're
done
thanks.
Everybody.