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A
So,
thank
you.
It's
it's
so
great
to
be
here
and
see
people's
faces
and
not
be
communicating
on
this
topic
by
email.
It's
it's
strange
to
think
about
that.
A
It
was
pre-coded
when
this
conversation
began
to
me
and
it
was
joanne
cornish
that
I
was
having
that
conversation
with
that
was
a
long
time
ago,
and
so
it's
the
same
conversation
and
I'm
just
happy
to
be
here
just
to
see
face
to
face
to
make
an
appeal
in
person
and
and
that's
basically
this-
that
we
businesses
are
not
protected
by
the
terms
of
their
lease.
That's
just
that's
a
fact.
It's
only
true.
If
you
have
unlimited
resources
to
pursue
imports,
you
know
somebody
who
doesn't
care
about
it.
Much
and.
A
A
This
should
not
be
possible,
it
shouldn't
be
possible.
There
should
be
something
in
the
system
that
makes
sure
that
developers
are
communicating
with
the
people
around
them,
whether
it's
residents
or
businesses
in
their
building
surrounding
the
building.
We
have
this
like
crazy
process.
If
I
want
to
get
a
sign
going
out
the
side
of
my
building
by
an
extra
six
inches
or
something
I
have
to
like,
inform
everybody
write
this
letter
get
the
list
about
it.
A
You
know
it's,
I
didn't
do
it
because
it
was
cumbersome,
but
my
landlord
could
get
fencing
and
and
jackhammer
and
permits
for
10
minutes
before
the
most
important
holiday
season.
So
I
don't
understand
how
this
happens
and
I
really
believe
that
we
can
do
better.
I
believe-
and
that
conversation
like
I
said
it
started
even
a
half
years
ago,
or
something
like
that.
A
And
I
don't
think
that
what
I'm
asking
is
unreasonable
make
sure
that
developers
are
communicating
with
their
tenants
make
sure
that
tenants
are
given
the
opportunity
to
speak
up
on
all
the
house
before
their
business
is
done
and
if
you
guys
could
try
to
do
something
to
make
that
happen
here
at
the
city
level
like
the
town
has
it
would.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
us
in
our
individual
groups
too,
to
show
that
yes,
we
can
do
better
than
we
would.
A
I'm
theresa
all
of
206,
eddy
state
college
town,
pedc
members,
take
a
look
at
the
c-tap.
A
A
B
A
A
Now,
I'm
forgetting
the
first
word
of
it.
It's
incentives
before
I
community
incentive
tax
abatement
program
and
declare
that
it
was
a
big
success
that
you
got
all
sorts
of
buildings
on
very.
A
We
have
two
additional
speakers
for
the
public.
B
A
C
So
over
its
lifespan,
143
east
state
street
has
alternately
been
known
as
the
andrus
block
and
the
home
dairy
building.
It
was
also
home
to
firebrand
books
a
nationally
recognized,
lesbian
and
feminist
press
and
should
also
be
known
as
the
firebrand
books.
Building
as
a
prominent
commercial
building
in
downtown
ithaca,
143
east
state
street
is
significant
under
multiple
national
register
of
historic
places
criteria.
C
The
building
is
also
significant
under
criterion
b
for
properties
associated
with
the
lives
of
persons
significant.
In
our
past,
the
building
was
the
business
headquarters
of
nancy
k,
bariano
a
nationally
renowned
and
award-winning
editor,
publisher
and
activist,
and
the
building
is
finally
significant
under
criterion
c
for
properties
that
embody
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
a
type
period
or
method
of
construction
or
that
possess
high
artistic
values.
C
It
is
an
excellent
representative
example
of
a
late
19th
century
italian
at
commercial
road
building
that
emerged
in
ithaca's,
rapidly
expanding
downtown.
It's
also
one
of
the
most
architecturally
distinctive
buildings
on
the
commons
and
its
character.
Defining
features
convey
the
prominent
role,
publishing
intellectual
production
and
the
distribution
of
knowledge
played
in
the
development
of
ithaca.
C
As
a
city
and
additionally,
it
was
built
by
a.b
dale,
who
is
one
of
ithaca's,
most
notable
architects
of
the
late
19th
century
and
I'll
conclude
by
pointing
out
that
there's
only
two
other
local
landmarks
that
are
connected
to
marginalized
histories
in
ithaca,
the
saint
james,
a
m
e
zion
church
and
the
dennis
newton
house,
both
of
which
are
connected
to
african-american
history.
This
would
be
the
first
local
landmark
that
is
connected
to
women's
and
lgbtq
history
and
I'll
conclude
there,
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
D
I
got
a
okay,
I
thought
you
were
going
to
take
me
off
mute,
but
okay
hi,
my
name
is
jerry
dietz,
I'm
the
owner
of
csp
management,
the
property
owner
of
120
140
brindley
street,
and
I
am
a
member
of
the
tides
advocacy
committee.
D
I
know
that
today
this
committee
is
scheduled
to
discuss
the
merits
of
an
rfbi
versus
an
rfp
related
to
the
homeless,
encampment
problem.
That
has
been
the
focus
of
the
tides
advocacy
committee
for
many
months
now
I
am
unable
to
stay
this
evening.
I
know
I
wouldn't
be
included
in
the
discussion
anyway.
However,
I
wanted
this
group
to
be
aware
that,
monday
morning
a
dead
body
was
taken
out
of
the
encampment.
That
is
right
across
the
road
from
my
burnley
street
property.
I'm
angry
about
this,
but
not
for
the
reasons
you
might
think.
D
D
This
location
is
soon
to
be
the
new
home
for
the
tompkins
county
chamber
of
commerce,
and
I
was
very
concerned
about
the
impact
this
was
going
to
have
on
that
highly
visible
tenancy.
Last
november
I
began
to
attend
meetings
of
other
angry
west
side,
property
owners,
business
representatives
and
residents
of
nate's
floral
estates.
Local
politicians
were
there,
notably
city,
ward,
rep,
cynthia
brock
and
george
mcgonigal.
The
police
were
represented
by
chief
jolie
savante
myrick
even
made
a
guest
appearance.
It
was
a
full
house.
D
The
stories
of
the
crimes
committed
the
vandalism
perpetrated
and
the
complete
lack
of,
respect
for
other
people's
quiet
enjoyment
of
their
homes
was
distressing,
to
say
the
least.
There
was
a
lot
of
emotion
in
those
meetings
coupled
with
numerous
calls
for
action,
but
another
voice
was
present
at
these.
D
At
these
meetings
as
well,
it
was
the
representatives
of
the
outreach
workers
that
knew
this
homeless
population
and
were,
in
fact
tasked
with
providing
the
services
they
so
desperately
need,
and
it
turned
out
that
it
was
this
group
whose
plight
I
was
drawn
to
carmen
gidi
of
second
win
cottages
and
chris
titlemount
of
saint
john's
community
services,
who
between
them
have
many
years
of
experience.
Working
with
the
homeless
explained,
there
was
a
more
civilized
and
humane
approach
to
dealing
with
these
members
of
our
community
that
have
been
pushed
to
the
fringes.
D
Hence
my
decision
to
put
my
efforts
into
the
concept
of
tides,
and
that
brings
me
back
to
what
I'm
angry
about
the
conversation
about
tides
has
gone
on
for
months
and
today
there
will
be
more
discussion
still
in
the
meantime,
people
are
living
and
dying
in
the
conditions.
We
would
not
let
our
animals
exist
in.
We
ask
for
results
from
the
outreach
and
support
people
funded
by
the
city
and
the
county
and
expect
them
to
do
their
jobs
in
unsanitary
and
unsafe
conditions.
None
of
us
would
abide
ourselves.
D
We
are
all
better
than
this.
Tides
is
not
the
answer
to
the
entire
problem:
it
is
not
housing.
It
is
meant
to
provide
shelter
in
a
more
dignified
and
managed
environment
for
individuals
who
cannot
or
who
are
unable
to
gain
access
to
emergency
shelter
or
conventional
housing.
It
is
not
a
silver
bullet,
but
I
have
to
believe
it
will
move
both
the
homeless
individuals
in
need
of
our
in
need
of
help
and
our
community
in
a
better,
more
humane
direction.
D
It
is
time
to
minimize
talk
and
implement
a
plan
of
action.
I
encourage
this
committee
to
recognize
the
urgency
of
the
situation.
I
ask
if
the
city
make
this
a
priority
and
work
together
with
the
county
legislature
to
create
a
humane
solution
to
this
critical
problem.
If
it's
not
the
thai's
proposal,
that's
fine,
but
for
the
sake
of
the
homeless
community
and
our
community
at
large.
Please
do
something.
A
I
want
to
thank
all
of
our
speakers,
both
in
person
and
remote.
Thank
you
for
attending
today.
Jerry.
Thank
you
for
your
words.
I
agree.
We
need
to
act,
there's
absolutely
nothing
compassionate
about
forcing
people
to
live
in
unsanitary,
unsafe
and
illegal
housing
or
illegal
structures.
A
A
A
A
Every
time
we
add
it
to
this
program,
we
shrink
our
tax
base
and
distribute
our
taxes
amongst
the
remaining
properties.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
considered.
It
should
also
be
reminded
to
teresa
and
everyone
else
that,
while
the
city
can
recommend
the
tax
abatement,
it
is
not
the
city
who
decides
on
granting
a
tax
payment.
It's
the
idea
who
has
the
power
and
authority
to
grant
those,
not
the
city.
So
I
hope
that
we
continue
to
appeal
to
the
idea
on
that
topic
anyway,
thank
you.
A
We
will
be
talking,
as
jerry
said,
about
tides
and
the
rfp
versus
rfpi
today,
so
I
look
forward
to
that
conversation.
E
Also
add
my
thanks
to
those
who
spoke
both
here
in
person.
Thank
you
from
that
trip
and
also
online.
We
will
talk
about
several
of
these
things,
so
I'll
save
comments
for
that,
but
I
would
to
deuter's
point.
I
would
like
to
at
least
learn
more
about
why
things
seem
to
be
so.
She
represents
being
stalled
at
the
city.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
tonight
because
I
don't
think
it's
related
to
a
topic.
That's
on
our
agenda,
but
maybe
sometime
in
the
future.
We
can
hear
more
about
that.
A
I'll
also
add
my
thanks
to
everyone
who
spoke
this
evening
here
and
our
virtual,
and
we
have
a
number
of
the
topics
that
have
been
raised.
A
At
least
one
of
the
topics
that
have
been
raised
on
our
agenda
tonight
will
be
an
update
on
the
working
group
that
has
been
appointed
okay.
Moving
on,
we
have
special
order
of
business
with
two
public
hearings.
A
This
project
will
complete
interior
and
extra
exterior
building
renovations
and
create
16
new
housing
units
at
a
ground,
floor,
restaurant.
So
with
that
said,
and
that
information
is
available
in
the
legal
notice
that
has
been
published
in
the
paper
I'll
ask
for
someone
to
open
a
public
hearing,
rob
thank
you
and
a
second.
A
Thank
you
so
much
the
second
public
hearing
we
have
is
related
to
zoning
amendment.
This
too,
we'll
be
talking
about
later
on
the
agenda.
This
is
to
amend
the
zoning
ordinance
to
revise
the
existing
definition
of
story
and
existing
definition
of
basement.
A
The
proposed
amendment
would
make
the
zoning
classification
of
building
height
in
stories
consistent
with
that
of
new
york
state
building
code
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing.
Patrick
second
rob
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing
right
to
anyone
wishing
to
address
this
public
hearing.
F
A
We'll
next
move
on
to
presentation,
the
first
presentation
is
from
josephine
enos,
and
this
is
regarding
a
topic
that
we
have
council
has
discussed
for
a
number
of
years
and
it
was
put
on
pause
during
the
pandemic
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
see
that
we
are
turning
back
to
this
important
topic.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
josephine.
Welcome.
A
Yes,
before
josephine
begins
to
speak.
Let
me
ask
director,
lisa
nicholas
director
of
planning
and
development
to
introduce
josephine.
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
josephine
and
she
is
a
master
of
regional
planning
at
portland
university.
She
also
has
a
degree
in
law
and
she
has
been
working
with
us
for
several
months
to
research.
What
other
communities
around
the
area
as
well
as
the
country,
are
doing
with
short-term
rentals.
It's
been
an
absolute
pleasure
to
work
with
her,
and
this
presentation
is
a
culmination
of
all
the
professions.
A
G
Can
you
see
that
yes,
okay,
great?
Well,
thank
you
for
the
nice
introduction
lisa.
I
really
enjoyed
working
with
the
planning
and
economic
development
team
this
summer
and,
as
you
mentioned,
this
topic
has
been
discussed
for
a
couple
of
years,
and
so
this
is
a
continuation
of
those
efforts
and
I
know
you've
recently
seen
some
presentations
from
tom
knight
on
short-term
rentals.
G
G
Airbnb
is
the
most
dominant
in
our
market
by
far
so,
a
couple
of
important
definitions
to
remind
you
of
entire
unit
is
an
entire
home
or
apartment.
That's
rented
out,
often
without
a
host
present,
whereas
a
private
room
is
a
room
and
a
house
where
you
might
share
common
spaces
and
the
host
is
often
present
and
then
accessory
units
are
a
basement
apartment
or
carriage
house
attic
apartment,
that
type
of
structure
and
hosted
versus
unhosted
is
a
distinction,
that's
important
to
make,
and
it
has
to
do
with
whether
the
host
is
present
for
their
guests.
B
G
So
these
aren't
meant
to
include
every
possible
example,
but
are
some
key
types
of
users
who
we
think
should
be
considered
in
a
policy
design.
So
first
we
have
miriam,
who
is
a
fall,
creek
homeowner
and
she
rents
out
her
home
just
during
graduation
weekends
and
can
earn
a
few
thousand
dollars
doing
just
that.
G
Then
we
have
ava
who's,
a
professor
at
ithaca
college
and
is
originally
from
sweden
and
rents
out
her
home
during
summer
breaks
and
then
kai
lives
on
south
hill.
He
rents
out
a
basement
apartment
year
round,
and
this
covers
his
mortgage
just
from
a
few
weekends
a
month,
but
he
wouldn't
necessarily
put
that
basement
apartment
on
the
long-term
market
because
he
likes
to
host
family
and
friends
or
take
a
break
from
posting
from
time
to
time.
G
And
then
we
have
manny
who's,
a
full-time,
real
estate,
investor
hosts,
40,
short-term,
rentals,
regionally,
and
this
employs
him
and
his
entire
family.
It's
a
family
business,
his
dad's,
the
handyman.
His
brother
helps
with
cleaning
et
cetera
and
we
have
some
different
types
of
users.
So
we
have
iris
she's
an
out
of
town
guest
and
she
has
kids
shows
when
she
travels.
G
He
interned
in
dc
last
summer
couldn't
find
a
sub-letter
but
covered
most
of
his
ithaca
rent
with
some
short-term
stays
through
airbnb
and
then
finally
elaine.
She
lives
in
the
belle
sherman
neighborhood
and
she
lives
next
to
a
full-time,
short-term
rental
and
she's,
often
frustrated
by
the
frequent
guest
turnover,
occasional
noise
and
extra
trash
on
the
curb.
She
also
misses
having
a
relationship
with
a
neighbor
in
that
house.
G
So,
as
you
can
see
from
those
examples,
there
are
a
lot
of
positive
aspects
to
short-term
rentals.
It
helps
people
earn.
Some
extra
income
can
host
additional
tourists
in
the
market,
but
it
also
has
some
negative
impacts,
so
the
policy
goals
are
weighing
those
pros
and
cons
and
from
what
I've
heard
from
prior
committee
meetings.
G
I
understand
that
the
city's
policy
goal
is
primarily
to
preserve
housing,
affordability
in
the
long-term
rental
and
home
ownership
markets,
so
my
policy
recommendations
that
I'm
showing
you
are
related
to
that
primary
goal,
but
they
also
consider
additional
goals
so
limiting
negative
impacts
on
neighbors
like
elaine,
and
protecting
health
and
safety
of
guests
like
iris,
and
also
ensuring
an
even
playing
field
for
the
formal
lodging
industry,
hotels,
motels
and
compliance
with
the
city's
room.
Occupancy
taxes
increasing
lodging
supply
during
peak
demand
times
like
graduation.
G
So
the
regulatory
elements
that
I
want
to
talk
about
include
a
license
requirement
and
then
a
couple
of
different
options
related
to
unhosted
rentals.
These
are
the
entire
units
versus
hosted
rentals,
a
private
room
or
apartment
accessory
apartment
and
then
some
special
rules
for
these
occasional
rentals
related
to
maybe
graduation
weekends,
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
finally,
a
few
considerations
related
to
enforcement
and
administration.
G
F
G
But
most
communities
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
how
to
regulate
entire
unit
rentals,
because
these
are
the
ones
that
are
most
likely
to
disrupt
the
housing
market
and
have
a
negative
impact
by
reducing
the
number
of
units
available
to
local
residents.
So
I'm
going
to
talk
about
four
different
options
for
regulating
entire
units,
including
a
primary
residence
requirement
limit.
F
G
So
primary
residence,
so
this
type
of
policy
is
very
popular
around
the
country
and
it's
essentially
saying
that
you
are
free
to
rent
out
your
own
home
when
you're
on
vacation
or
have
maybe
somebody
staying
with
you
in
your
basement
or
private
room.
But
you
we're
only
allowing
short-term
rentals
in
your
primary
residence.
So
you
must
be
present
for
more.
B
F
G
The
year
to
qualify
this
this
limits
speculative
investment
in
the
market
and
has
a
pretty
low
administrative
burden.
You
still
have
to
consider
whether
to
apply
this
only
to
owner-occupied
residences,
which
is
a
smaller
percentage
in
the
ithaca
market
or
allow
renters
to
participate
as
well
and
then
consider
those
accessory
uses
as
well.
G
Another
option
is
a
day
limit,
so
this
is
something
the
town
of
ithaca
is
doing:
cuba,
heights
and
other
communities,
north
elba's
and
lake
placid.
So
these
communities
just
say
you
can
rent
out
your
house
for
90
days
a
year
again
limits
the
amount
of
investor
interest
and
properties,
and
you
can
have
a
stricter
policy
where
you
include
primary
residence
requirement
with
that
date
limit.
G
G
And
for
that
reason
I
think
in
the
ithaca
market
it
might
be
worth
considering
a
variation
on
this,
which
would
be
a
seasonal
limit,
so
allowing
hosts
to
rent
properties
that
aren't
their
primary
residence
during
a
defined
time
period.
So
maybe
during
the
summer,
if
we
know
we
have
a
lot
of
vacant
student
rentals
during
that
time,
and
we
also
have
peak
demand
in
our
lodging
industry
and
more
tourists,
then
this
could
be
a
natural
option.
It's
much
easier
to
monitor
the
number
of
days,
but
achieves
a
lot
of
the
same
goals.
G
G
Most
communities
allow
these
because
they
they
have
the
sense
that
if
a
host
is
present,
it
really
mitigates
a
lot
of
the
negative
neighborhood
impacts,
you're
not
going
to
tolerate
a
lot
of
noise
or
trash
typically,
but
it's
still,
it's
still
important
to
think
about
occupancy
rules,
overcrowding,
parking
problems,
and
so
some
level
of
regulation
around
this
is
still
generally
recommended.
G
And
then,
finally,
you
know
ithaca:
has
this
pretty
long-standing
tradition
of
people
renting
out
their
homes
during
graduation
weekends?
So
it's
probably
worth
considering
doing
something
for
these
very
occasional
rentals,
especially
if
you're
going
to
put
an
inspection
requirement
in
other
types
of
categories.
So
this
would
be
something
that
streamlines
that
process.
G
Some
communities
just
don't
regulate
them
at
all.
In
the
state
of
vermont,
for
example,
they
just
don't
regulate
under
14
days
a
year
short-term
rentals,
so
they
don't
pay
taxes
and
they
don't
register
that
does
create
some
issues
related
to
guest
safety,
neighborhood
nuisance
still
and
there's
some
mixed
tax
revenue
there.
So
another
alternative
might
be
to
do
some
sort
of
occasional
rental
permit
with
a
simplified
process
without
the
physical
inspection,
lower
fees.
That
sort
of
thing.
G
So
this
year
I
want
to
present
two
different
policy
proposals
as
sort
of
food
for
thought
and
something
to
to
really
provide
some
feedback
on.
So
the
first
policy
is
a
very
simple
policy
where
you
say
all
short-term
rentals
must
be
licensed,
but
we
are
only
allowing
them
in
people's
own
homes
in
their
primary
residence.
G
So
if
you're
on
vacation
doesn't
have
to
be
hosted,
but
you
may
also
host
people
in
a
private
room
or
accessory
apartment.
G
G
It
may
exclude
miriam
if
you
don't
have
a
special
streamline
process
for
the
occasional
users
for
graduation
weekend
and
it
may
exclude
james
if
the
primary
residence
process
is
too
onerous
and
if
he
perhaps
has
his
driver's
license
in
another
location
or
he
isn't
registered,
to
vote
at
his
current
address.
So
some
of
the
renters
may
drop
out
with
this
kind
of
policy
as
well.
G
Another
policy
option
is
a
little
more
nuanced
and,
I
think
captures
a
larger
segment
of
the
user
profiles,
so
this
would
still
have
a
primary
residence
requirement
and
a
license.
That
would
be
one
category,
but
then
you
could
add
a
special
permit
for
the
occasional
rentals
which
would
be
more
streamlined.
It
wouldn't
require
physical
inspection
and
then
also
a
special
permit
for
seasonal
rentals.
That
summer
period,
which
would
allow
someone
like
pete.
B
G
Student
rental
owner
to
still
participate,
and
perhaps
also
more
student
renters-
to
participate
under
that
sort
of
stream.
So,
as
you
can
see,
it
still
excludes
dana
and
manny
are
more
investor
oriented
owners,
but
includes
a
broader
array
of
the
other
users
in
the
community
who
don't
necessarily
contradict
the
policy
goals.
A
Sure
one
question
is:
if
you
can
share
your
your
document,
your
powerpoint,
it's
full
of
very
useful
information,
as
we
move
into
this
topic.
H
Thank
you
perfect,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
spending.
This
is
very,
very
helpful.
I
guess
the
quick
question
I
had
was
with
seasonal
limits.
I
guess
do
we
have
the
freedom
to
decide
what
counts
as
seasonal,
like
I
was
thinking
of,
especially,
I
think
it
was
even
the
college
professor
who
said
that
she
also
rented
out
her
home
in
january
like
three
weeks
that
she
wasn't
here.
I
was
thinking
you
know
I
said
you're
gonna
know.
G
Yeah,
you
certainly
could
I
think
it's
it's
nice
to
keep
it
as
simple
as
possible.
The
example
you
gave
with
somebody
who's
actually
renting
out
their
own
home,
so
I
think
for
most
people
they
would
fall
under
primary
residence
requirement.
If
you
were
to
adopt
this
type
of
policy,
but
a
seasonal
rental,
you
know
period
could
be
defined.
However,
you
want
to.
G
I
think
it's
just
a
consideration
on
the
administrative
side
of
whether
it
makes
sense
whether
that
adds
difficulty
to
the
monitoring
process,
but
you
definitely
could.
H
Right
now
that
makes
perfect
sense.
I
guess
the
thing
I
I
would
think
we've
been
trying
to
avoid
is
having
too
many
special
apartments
might
encourage
people
to
just
rent
out
their
homes,
not
going
through
this
system.
I
mean,
like
I
think,
of
the
20
000
something
parents
on
like
the
cornell
parents,
facebook
group
who
all
look
for
home
starting
in
april,
who
just
pay
somebody
you
know
and
give
you
a
thousand
bucks
to
have
it
for
the
weekend
and
then
because
the
department
process
is
too
long.
G
Yeah
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
time
hearing,
but
I
think
that
you're
saying
it
wouldn't
be
great
to
have
too
many
special
permit
categories
and
then
something
about
graduation
weekend.
And
if
it
was
too
onerous,
they
would
maybe
not
get
a
permit.
H
Yes,
exactly
well,
that's
much
louder,
yeah,
just
the
idea
that,
like
if
the
permit
process
is
too
difficult
for
graduation
weekend,
that
we
will
be
encouraging
families
and
parents
through
their
different
facebook
groups
and
through
their
different
networks,
to
just
pay
somebody
under
the
table
to
have
the
house
for
the
weekend,
which
we
know
happens.
But
if
we
can
make
it
easier
for
the
homeowners
to
get
those
permits
or
whatever
system
we
decide
to
come
up
with,
so
that
that
happens
less
frequently
than
we
can
be
sure.
G
Exactly
I
agree
completely
and
that's
I
mean
I
think,
that's
why
I
mean
you
could
choose
to
just
not
regulate
for
14
days
or
less
like
status
quo.
Let
people
do
what
they've
been
doing
for
years,
but
then
you
miss
out
on
some
lodging
tax
revenue
or
room
tax
revenue
rather,
but
if
you
make
us,
if
you
make
a
occasional
rental
permit
really
simple,
so
people
maybe
just
attest
that
it's
a
safe
place
to
stay
and
the
permit
fees
are
very
low
and
there's
no
inspection.
Nothing!
That's
going
to
really
hold
the
process
up.
E
Rob
thanks
laura
and
thank
you
joseph
for
this
really
terrific
presentation.
E
I
do
have
a
question
about
you
notice
in
a
couple
of
places
about
challenges
around
enforcement,
and
I
wonder
if
the
fantasy
or
research
uncovered
anything
that
might
help
the
city
or
guide
the
city
in
terms
of
enforcement,
of
whatever
different
things
we
might
put
in
place
around
one
policy
proposal.
G
So
I
mean
I
think,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
go
with
one
of
the
third
parties.
They
all
have
software
that
works
really
well
they're
widely
used
by
other
communities
and
they're.
You
know
they're
having
the
power
of
the
computer
to
sort
of
do
it
for
you
and
I've
seen
demonstrations
from
a
couple
of
those
companies,
and
I
know
that
tom
and
other
people
in
the
planning
department
have
also
seen
those
demonstrations,
and
I
think,
that's
probably
the
the
most
straightforward
way
to
do
it.
E
That's
good.
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
that.
The
other
question
was
so
putting
aside
posted
unposted
for
a
second,
I
think
the
different
types
of
units
we
talked
about
were.
E
An
entire
unit,
and
sometimes
people
would
just
be
sharing
a
unit
but
is
accessory
units
also
a
category
within
most
of
the
short-term
rental
platforms.
G
G
G
Yeah,
that
would
be
a
really
good
question
for
one
of
the
monitoring
services.
I
think
that
they
have
a
way
of
you
know
people
if
you
have
a
policy
as
a
city
that
you
may
only
rent
out
your
primary
home.
They,
I
think
they
have
an
extra
category,
to
show
that
you
also
have
this
accessory
unit
that
is
allowed
to
be
rented
out,
so
they
they
have
some
way
of
accounting.
For
that
and
monitoring
that.
H
Sorry,
just
to
go
back
to
the
third-party
monitoring
books
for
a
second.
Do
we
have
a
ballpark
idea
of
what
they
might
cost
like
sort
of
barring
quality
is
consistent
per
certain
and
I
used
to
leave
it
off,
but
that
was
like
the
fees
for
the
purpose
itself,
but
it's
in
a
sizable
amount,
which
means
without
sizable
department
fees
or
is
it.
G
Yeah
I'll
tell
you
what
I
remember
and
then
tom
might
be
able
to
chime
in
if
I
get
this
wrong,
but
some
of
them
price
price
it
per
unit,
so
I
think
they
may
have
even
been
like
around
20
something
dollars
per
unit.
G
If,
if
that
sounds
right
tom,
you
cannot,
because
I
can
see
your
your
head,
but
yeah
and
and
typically
you
would
most
communities
charge
between
like
150
and
250
a
night
for
their
or
150
to
200
a
year,
and
so
there's
that
20
a
year
fee
for
this
third
party
service.
But
then
your
permit
fee
is,
you
know
something
like
150
to
250
a
year.
So
it
should,
you
know,
easily
cover
the
cost,
and
then
I
don't
know
what
the
room
tax
compliance
is
right
now
among
short-term
rentals.
G
But
my
understanding
is
it's
very
low,
so
you're
also
getting
that
five
percent
tax
captured
and
that's
something
that
they
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
assisting
with
and
making
sure
that
people
are
complying
with
room
taxes.
H
A
I
Can
go
up,
but
our
our
our
back
of
the
envelope
suggests
that,
as
josie
said,
the
a
modest
annual
permit
fee
could
cover
the
the
costs
of
a
software
server.
A
A
A
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that
other
municipalities
in
thompson's
county
are
actually
hiring
vendors,
and
maybe
there
is
an
opportunity
for
price
sharing
with
neighboring
municipalities.
I
know
the
town
of
ithaca
is
far
ahead
and
there's
already
contracted
with
one
of
these
vendors,
so
there
might
be
some
economies
of
scale
there.
We
could
piggyback
on
that
collaboration.
E
A
At
the
end,
so
we
we
would
like
to
provide
you
with
josie's
presentation
and,
along
with
her
presentation,
she
has
a
whole
report,
all
the
research
that
went
into
developing
this
presentation.
I
think
that
would
be
really
informative
and
you
know
I
think
we
can
give
you
that
and
then
come
back
at
a
future
meeting
when
you
want,
whether
it's
october
or
november,
with
a
proposal
for
a
timeline
process.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
and
josephine.
Thank
you
once
again,
great
presentation.
I'm
really
pleased
that
this
is
back
on
our
radar
and
it's
back
on
our
radar
with
the
very
good
work
of
the
research
that
you've
done.
So
thank
you
so
much
and
lisa.
Thank
you
for
establishing
what
those
next
steps
will
be.
This
is
a
good
start,
it's
kind
of
restarting,
and
it
is
important
that
we
not
lose
momentum.
G
A
Thank
you
josie
such
a
creative
way
to
present
the
information.
This
was
totally
her
idea
and
really
helped
us
understand,
not
just
what
policies,
but
who,
who
will
these
policies
affect?
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
we'll
now
move
on
to
a
second
presentation,
and
this
is
a
presentation
by
rebecca
evans,
sustainability,
planner
on
greenhouse
gas
inventory
rebecca.
Thank
you.
F
For
joining
us
this
evening,
thank
you
I
kind
of
wish
I
had
gone
first,
that's
a
tough
act
to
follow.
This
will
not
be
nearly
as
exciting
but
I'll.
Try
my
best,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
F
And
hopefully
you're
seeing
bird's
eye
view
of
ithaca
and
on
the
slide
great.
So
if
I
haven't
met
you
before,
I'm
rebecca
evans,
sustainability,
planner
in
the
sustainability
office
and
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
and
there
are
a
number
of
reasons
that
we
complete
this.
This
is
traditionally
the
first
step
that
we
would
take
in
climate
action
planning,
but
given
our
expedited
carbon
neutrality
date,
we're
kind
of
doing
this
at
the
same
time
that
we're
doing
everything
else.
F
This
was
also
a
requirement
of
our
dec
grant
that
we
received
in
2019.
So
this
this
was
a
requirement
both
for
municipal
inventory
and
community
inventory
that
will
ultimately
inform
the
climate
action
plan
and
how
we
eventually
mitigate
these
these
emissions.
So
I'm
going
to
walk
through
just
sort
of
some
background
information
on
greenhouse
gas
inventories
and
I've.
I
may
have
oversimplified
this.
F
So
if
this
is,
you
know
overly
familiar
information,
I
apologize
bear
with
me
once
we
get
to
the
data,
I
promise
it'll
be
new,
but
first
you
know
what
even
is
a
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
and
why
are
we
here?
Essentially,
greenhouse
gas
inventory
is
a
list
of
all
emissions
and
sources
and
the
associated
missions
that
are
quantified
uses
using
standardized
methods.
So
the
methodology
that
we
used
is
something
that
is
common
throughout
the
entire
united
states
and
even
across
new
york
state.
F
This
is
different
than
what
say:
cornell
would
use
or
ithaca
college,
but
the
emissions
factors
are
similar
and
you
know
why
would
we
do
this
one?
It
does
provide
a
level
of
transparency,
so
it's
a
it's
a
really
important
step
in
providing
community
stakeholders
with
sort
of
a
snapshot
or
a
benchmark
of
where
we're
starting.
It
also
helps
us
make
decisions
so
and
it
helps
give
us
data
to
back
up
those
decisions.
F
This
is
also
really
helpful
in
modeling,
so
we
can
quantify
how
many
emissions
we're
actually
going
to
decrease
with
certain
actions,
and
then
we
can
adjust
accordingly
and
then,
of
course,
as
I
mentioned
before,
this
does
ultimately
affect
funding.
Various
state
and
federal
grants
and
reporting
platforms.
Do
require
greenhouse
gas
inventories
again,
it's
another
level
of
transparency
through
that
grant
process,
so
in
ithaca's,
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
I'm
going
to
get
a
little
bit
into
the
nitty
gritty.
The
my
new
details
are
not
terribly
important,
but
I've
broken
down.
F
Ultimately,
what
activities
are
covered
and
then
what
emissions
are
covered
within
that?
So
for
our
municipal
operations
we
looked
at
buildings
and
facilities,
so
that
would
be
natural
gas,
that's
used
for
heating
or
cooking
or
generators.
I
also
looked
at
electricity,
that's
being
used
in
in
buildings
and
facilities,
as
well
as
street
lights,
traffic
lights.
That
includes
like
little
crosswalk
blinkers.
F
We
looked
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
as
well
as
water,
freshwater,
transport
and
treatment.
Those
are
reported
as
municipal
emissions,
since,
ultimately
it
is
the
city
that
is
quote
unquote
operating
those
activities
and
we
also
have
a
unique
one
here.
We
have
a
really
robust
urban
forestry
program
at
the
city,
so
we
were
able
to
get
really
really
wonderful
data
on
the
amount
of
carbon
that
sequestered
from
urban
forests
and
I'll
go
into
that
a
little
bit
more
and
then
on
the
community
side.
F
We
looked
at
transportation
and
we
looked
at
buildings
in
buildings
and
facilities
that
are
owned
and
operated
by
the
commercial
sector,
as
well
as
the
private
sector
and
solid
waste
as
well.
F
So
when
we
report
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
it
gets
a
little
bit
funky,
so
there
are
lots
of
different
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
As
we
know,
two
of
the
most
common
ones
are
carbon
dioxide
and
methane,
and
they
all
have
different
levels
of
ability
to
actually
trap
heat
in
our
atmosphere
and
that's
what
we
call
global
warming
potential.
So
instead
of
reporting
say,
we
have
x
number
of
carbon
dioxide
emissions
and
y
number
of
methane
emissions.
We
use
a
standardized
metric
that
allows
us
to
report
them
as
one
whole
number
and
that's
called
carbon
dioxide
equivalent.
F
So
that's
the
terminology
that
we're
going
to
be
using
here.
This
is
standard
in
the
industry
to
sort
of
aggregate
all
of
those
emissions
using
this
standard
metric-
and
this
is
just
an
example-
so
you
can
get
kind
of
an
idea
of
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
carbon
dioxide
would
be
the
the
the
standard
and
then
all
the
others
are
compared
to
that.
So
if
we
take
methane,
for
example,
it
has
the
ability
to
trap
heat
25
times,
that
of
carbon
dioxide.
F
And
just
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
complicated,
we
also
used
advanced
methane
accounting
methodology,
which
just
accounts
for
the
full
life
cycle
of
methane.
So,
if
you
think
about,
when
we
drill
into
the
earth
to
actually
frack
natural
gas,
there's
a
slew
of
things
that
can
go
wrong,
we
can
crack
a
pipe
as
we're
actually
extracting
the
gas
and
transporting
it
into
a
truck
to
move
it.
It
can
leak
and
then,
throughout
transportation
and
storage,
there
is
the
potential
of
leaks.
F
So
that
was
all
of
the
really
boring
stuff.
Now
we
can
get
into
the
really
exciting
data.
So
this
is
our
total
greenhouse
gas
profile,
if
we're
looking
at
it
by
source.
So
you
can
see
the
municipal
emissions
which
again
are
just
going
to
be
emissions
that
are
owned
or
operated
by
the
city.
It's
a
very
small
fraction
of
our
entire
profile,
just
under
two
percent.
F
The
bulk
is
actually
coming
from
transportation,
which
I
found
particularly
surprising
and
from
the
commercial
sector,
and
if
we
break
that
down
a
little
bit
more,
we
can
see
the
the
source
of
where
they're
actually
coming
from
so
again,
a
big
ball
coming
from
buildings
and
facilities
and
again
this
is
across
our
entire
entire
profile,
so
including
community
emissions
and
municipal
emissions,
and
what
this
is
showing
us
is.
It's
really
underscoring
the
importance
of
mitigating
emissions
from
heating
and
cooling
using
natural
gas.
F
So
if
you
zoom
out
a
little
bit
total
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
we're
looking
at
just
about
300
8,
600
metric
tons
of
co2e-
that's
not
a
surprising
number
to
us.
We
were
operating
under
the
assumption
that
it
was
around
400
000,
so
we're
pleasantly
surprised
here.
Maybe
we
can
say
that
we've
cut
almost
100
000
hypothetically.
I
think
that
might
be
the
story
that
we
go
with
and
then
waste
generation
being
again,
a
very,
very
small
portion
of
that
profile.
F
So
just
a
reminder
to
look
at
sort
of
the
difference
if
we
weren't
accounting
for
the
full
life
cycle
of
methane.
If
we
use
the
traditional
epa
accounting
methodology,
our
greenhouse
gas
profile
would
be
significantly
smaller
about
220
000
metric
tons
of
co2e
compared
to
that
advanced
methane.
That
accounts
for
that
full
life
cycle,
which
again
brings
us
back
to
three
hundred
eight
six
hundred
thousand
three
hundred
eight
thousand
six
hundred
metric
tons
of
co2e.
F
And
we're
going
to
drill
down
just
a
little
bit
farther
to
look
at
municipal
emissions,
so
what
is
owned
and
operated
by
the
city?
Again?
Just
a
reminder.
This
is
natural
gas
and
electricity
in
buildings
and
facilities,
the
vehicle
fleet,
water
treatment
and
distribution,
wastewater
treatment,
street
lights,
traffic
lights,
urban,
forestry
and
then
the
one
thing
that
actually
isn't
on
this
list
is
employee,
commute,
so
employees
that
work
for
the
city,
any
driving
that
they're
doing
to
and
from
work
would
be
included
in
this
profile
as
well.
F
So
the
city
is
a
like.
We
said,
a
very
small
portion
of
the
total
profile
about
6
000
metric
tons,
the
bulk
of
that
coming
from
from
natural
gas,
presumably
used
for
for
heat
or
for
generators,
and
then
the
vehicle
fleet
was
actually
a
surprising
number
to
me,
and
I
do
want
to
say
take
this
with
a
grain
of
salt.
The
data
that
we
have
on
the
vehicle
fleet
was
not
entirely
reliable.
Due
to
some
corruption
that
may
have
happened
during
the
transition
from
the
old
fuel
island
to
the
new
fuel
island.
F
And
we
mentioned
carbon
sequestration,
we
have
this
really
bust
urban
forestry
program
and
if
we,
you
know
rewind
back
to
fourth
grade
science
class,
we
can
oversimplify
this
by
trees,
breathe
in
carbon
dioxide
and
exhale
oxygen
and
that's
exactly
what
they're
doing
they
are
removing
carbon
dioxide
from
the
atmosphere.
So
when
we
actually
look
at
urban
forestry,
we
can
subtract
the
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
from
our
total
profile,
based
on
the
amount
of
carbon
dioxide
that
these
trees
are
physically
removing.
So
if
we
do
count
that,
then
our
profile
is
actually
a
lot
lower.
F
It's
more
five
thousand
500
metric
tons
and
it
is
typical
to
report
in
this
way.
So
I'm
getting
a
message
here.
So
can
you
still
see
my
screen.
F
Great
okay,
great
and
one
other
thing
to
note:
the
city
does
currently
purchase
renewable
energy
credits,
which
just
means
that
we
are
matching
the
amount
of
electricity
that
we
are
purchasing
with
re,
the
same
amount
of
renewable
energy
somewhere
else
in
the
united
states.
So
if,
theoretically,
our
electricity
emissions
would
be
zero.
However,
this
gets
a
little
bit
sticky,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
contention
with
renewable
energy
credits.
F
There's
a
lack
of
transparency
and
validation,
depending
on
where
you're
purchasing
them
from
it
also
prevents
us
from
having
grid
independence
and
municipal
resiliency.
So
we
would
not
be
able
to
have
say
micro
grids
or
our
own
solar.
If
we
are
purchasing
renewable
energy
credits,
they
don't
mesh
well
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
an
equity
issue
with
renewable
energy
credits
and
they
exacerbate
sort
of
racial
and
economic
inequities.
So,
typically,
when
you
see
what
you
know
where,
where
are
these
renewable
energy
projects
going
and
where
are
they
not
going?
F
How
are
they
taken
care
of
and
what
neighborhoods
are
we
actually
finding
them?
So
you
know
luis-
and
I
agree
that
the
use
of
rex
is
is
not
the
best
path
to
decarbonization
and
instead
we
would
recommend
supporting
on-site
renewables,
whether
they're,
privately
owned
or
city
owned
and
and
looking
into
the
possibility
of
microgrids.
F
And
just
a
really
quick
snapshot,
comparing
the
last
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
which
was
in
2010.
So
there
has
been
substantial
development
since
then,
but
there
has
also
been
substantial
work
to
decrease
emissions,
particularly
from
electricity
and
city
facilities,
primarily
through
the
installation
of
led
lighting.
So
you
can
see
a
pretty
significant
decrease
in
electricity.
I
think
that
also
has
to
do
with
the
greening
of
the
grid
since
2010
and
the
replacement
of
street
lights
with
leds
the
waste
water
facility.
F
I
I
don't
have
a
good
reasoning
for
that,
but
it
is
my
understanding
that
there
have
been
some
changes
since
2010
with
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
and
I
unfortunately
I
can't
venture
to
guess
exactly
what
those
are.
Since
I
I
have
only
been
with
the
city
for
about
a
year.
F
Everything
else
seems
seems
pretty
stable,
except
for
buildings,
which
I
anticipate
again
from
from
led
lighting,
perhaps
and
an
insulation
of
buildings,
and
perhaps
also
better
management
of
those
buildings,
but
overall
gross
emissions,
we're
seeing
a
15
decrease,
which
was
a
really
really
pleasant
surprise.
So
we
are
working
from
a
much
lower
baseline
than
we
expected.
F
Community
emissions
looking
at
the
same
thing:
natural
gas
and
electricity
and
homes
and
businesses,
transportation,
which
is
estimated
and
solid
waste,
which
is
also
estimated-
and
this
one
will
be
quick
transportation-
is
a
huge
bulk
of
this.
So
the
the
way
that
we
collected
the
transportation
data
we
actually
used
data
that's
available
through
google,
it
basically
tracks
geolocation
using
cell
phones
aggregates
and
anonymizes
it,
which
gives
us
a
total
number
of
inbound
and
outbound
transportation.
F
This
one
was
a
little
bit
surprising
to
me,
and
I
expect
that
this
is
probably
from
recent
development
in
the
city,
but
it
does
present
a
really
unique
opportunity,
particularly
for
the
electrification
program,
so
for
next
steps
with
this,
this
really
just
underscores
again
our
climate
act,
the
mitigation
strategies
that
we
are
outlining
in
our
climate
action
plan,
which
we
hope
to
present
to
you
in
the
coming
months,
and
that's
all
that
I
have
for
you,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
questions
and
share
any
and
all
information
afterwards
as
well.
A
F
A
This
is
a
fantastic
report.
I
remember
when
we
received
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
based
on
2010
data,
but
this
has
gone
above
and
beyond.
I
don't
believe
that
2010
inventory
was
based
on
community-wide
emissions.
However,
I
thought
it
was
municipal
only
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
actually
direct
comparable,
but
I'm
sure
you've
factored
that
in
in
your
analysis,
but
I
will
be
taking
a
look
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
A
I
can
say
that
we
have
done
an
analysis
on
our
of
energy
consumption
and
I
know
that
since
2010
there
has
been
several
aspects
that
have
been
added
to
our
wastewater
treatment
process
that
can
require
more
energy
consumption.
So
but
I'll
take
a
look
at
that
again.
Thank
you.
E
Rebecca
thank
you.
This
is
always
terrific
information
and
keeps
moving
us
forward,
which
is
great,
a
question
about
on
the
community
transportation
side
and
the
process
you've
described
about
how
we
measured.
That
is
there
a
further
breakdown
of
different
types
of
transportation,
like
public
versus,
say,
private
use,
or
is
this
just
one
big
one.
F
There
very
well
may
be.
I
did
not
take
a
look
that
closely
into
those
sorts
of
details,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
take
a
closer
look
as
far
as
you
know,
I
just
sort
of
saw
what
is
essentially
a
screen
shot
of
of
the
data,
and
it
tells
you
inbound
outbound
and
inter-municipal
emissions.
So
I
I
really
don't
know
that
it
would
break
it
down
that
far
luis.
You
may
have
better
insight
into
that
than
I
would
actually.
J
Yeah
it
does
break
it
down,
but
it's
it's
highly
inaccurate
because
once
again
what
they
use
is
they
they
just
take
all
the
information
from
from
your
android
phone
and
when
they
are
traveling
together
at
the
same
speed.
They
just
assume
that
they're
traveling
in
the
same
vehicle
and
when
it
exceeds
a
certain
number.
They
assume
that
it's
transit,
but
you
know
it
could
vary
because
sometimes
we
have
bosses
that
have
one
or
two
people
traveling.
So
so
it's
not
very
accurate,
but
you
know
we
can.
F
And
I
think
we
could
do
some
analysis
based
on
county
data
of
mode
splits.
That
would
again
it's
not
going
to
be
super
super
accurate,
but
it
could
give
us
a
little
bit
more
detailed
snapshot
and
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
A
A
J
Yes,
thank
you
major
the
oh,
it's
so
strange
that
I
can
see
myself
on
the
screen.
It's
just
weird,
so
we
are
presenting
the
this
enabling
cca
local
law
for
circulation
the
process
to
roll
out
a
community
choice.
Aggregation
program
starts
with
an
enabling
local
law
that
basically
includes
everything
that
could
be
part
of
the
cca.
It
doesn't
say
that
everything
in
there
has
to
be
part
of
the
cca.
B
J
Would
be
eventually
approved,
if
approved
by
common
council,
would
be
sent
to
the
public
service
commission
for
state
approval
which,
when
it
comes
back
to
us,
then
we
can
proceed
with
with
an
rfp
to
find
an
s
code
to
supply
electricity
for
the
cca
and
then
eventually
roll
it
out
so
right
now
it
is
just
the
enabling
local
law.
It
has
a
comprehensive
set
of
tools
that
can
be
used
for
cca
and
for
your
consideration
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
A
Thank
you.
Louise.
I
had
circulated
some
questions
in
advance.
I
appreciate
that
that
you
did
work
to.
A
And
and
also
articulating
that
this
is
an
enabling
legislation.
We
don't
have
to
do
all
aspects
of
this,
but
if
you
could,
could
you
talk
about.
A
B
J
Or
residential
customers
of
the
current
utility
company
would
be
rolled
into
the
cca.
They
can
opt
to
have
up
top
to
have
a
prime
rate
which
this
excess
could
be
considered,
an
investment
in
a
share
of
the
er,
that
is
to
partial
ownership
of
a
solar
panel,
for
example.
B
J
So
this
this
cca
would
allow
for
voluntary
investments
in
partial
ccas,
either
individually
as
a
as
a
cooperative
having
separate
and
sorry
several
cca
eligible
users
to
be
part
of
partially
owners
of
a
distributed
energy
resource.
And
when
we
talk
about
distributed
energy
resources,
it
is,
it
could
be
solar
panels,
energy
storage,
charging
stations
or
even
ev
vehicles.
J
One
of
the
benefits
with
that
is
that
we
will
need
less
energy
from
the
distribution
grid,
so
the
electricity
generated
by
solar
panels
will
be
used
locally
and
therefore
we
reduce
the
pressure
that
we're
gonna
put
our
grid
under
once.
We
are
all
electrified.
So
I
don't.
B
A
I
guess
this
is
this
is
such
a
new
aspect
of
this,
because
I
I
think
when
it
was
presented
to
us
originally,
there
had
not
been
mentioned
of
this
facet
of
cca,
so
fully
understanding
what
that
means
and
how
that
would
be
implemented
and
what
would
be
involved
in
terms
of
management
obligation,
oversight.
A
I
think
it's
something
that
would
need
to
be
clearly
understood
and
also
clearly
articulated,
as
the
city
moved
forward,
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
inadvertently
getting
into
something
that
maybe
we
didn't
fully
understand
the
complexity
of
before
we
obligate
ourselves
to
it.
So
thank
you
for
that.
I
hope
this
is
something
that
people
can
take
a
look
at
as
it
goes
out
for
circulation
and
look.
J
J
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
cynthia
for
the
question
and
louise
for
the
response
and
just
a
reminder
to
the
public.
We
are
voting
to
circulate
this,
we're
not
voting
to
move
it
on
to
council
tonight.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
circulate
patrick?
A
A
Hey,
yes,
please,
so
I
have
a
question
about
well.
A
local
law
does
not
require
a
public
plan,
but
we
certainly
can't
have
them
and
could
have
one
next
month.
A
Okay,
not
sure
where
we're
getting
feedback.
A
Again,
this
is
our
first
attempt
at
pedc
gone,
live
and
thank
you
again
for
everyone
who
is
here
physically
and
virtually
we'll
now
move
on
to
our
voting
items.
This
is
on
the
agenda
item.
Six.
A
is
neighborhood
improvement
incentive
fund
and
I
see
that
megan
wilson
is
here
with
us.
I
I
will
say
in
introducing
this
that
it
is
really
gratifying
to
see
neighborhood
block
parties
neighbors
gathering
outdoors
once
again.
So
it's
very
exciting.
K
I
don't
really
have
much
to
add
about
this
application,
although
we've
had
a
pause
in
these
for
a
while
now
due
to
the
cove
19
pandemic.
So
if
there
are
any
members
that
are
unfamiliar
with
this
program,
I'd
be
happy
to
share
a
little
bit
about
it.
K
Sure,
okay,
so
the
neighborhood
improvement
incentive
fund
was
established.
I
think
in
the
early
90s
to
help
promote
neighborhood
solidarity,
encourage
volunteer
efforts
and
our
neighborhoods
to
get
one
to
know
one
another.
Each
neighborhood
is
eligible
for
up
to
three
hundred
dollars
in
reimbursable
expenses
to
cover
the
cost
of
any
of
a
variety
activities
that
can
fall
and
meet
the
criteria.
K
We
typically
see
block
parties,
we've
seen
neighborhood
associations
use
funding
to
allow
them
to
secure
meeting
space
for
neighborhood
association
meetings.
We
see
we've
seen
cleanups
plantings,
although
I
would
say
probably
the
most
common
that
we
see
is
is
a
block
party
or
something
along
those
lines.
National
night
out
is
often
one
done
by
the
housing
authority,
so
the
the
funds
can
cover
in
food
and
non-alcoholic
beverages.
Giveaways
tables
chairs,
we've
seen
art
supplies
all
kinds
of
things
to
help
the
neighborhood
pull
put
this
event
together.
K
This
particular
one
is
for
a
youtube
street,
and
this
has
been
a
black
party.
That's
gone
on
for
several
years,
with
a
with
a
pause
in
the
past
couple
years
so
and
to
apply
if
college
town
or
another
neighborhood
is
interested.
The
application
is
on
the
city's
website
under
the
planning
department
in
neighborhood
planning
and
if
they
have,
anyone
has
any
questions
in
applying
for
the
funds.
They're
certainly
welcome
to
reach
out
to
planning
staff
and
we're
happy
to
help.
A
Great
thank
you
very
much.
You've
covered
a
number
of
the
items
in
the,
whereas
in
the
resolution
that's
before
the
committee,
I'll
just
read
a
few
of
these
request
for
neighborhood
improvement
incentive
funds
for
the
utica
street
neighborhood
block
party
september
2022.
A
in
reimbursement
funds
to
offset
expenses
from
the
utica
street
annual
block
party.
Whereas
notice
of
the
block
party
was
circulated
throughout
the
neighborhood
via
flyers
text,
message,
door-to-door
and
the
neighborhood
list
served
and
the
event
provided
an
opportunity
for
socializing
with
diverse
groups
of
residents.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
pedc
approves
the
funding
request
from
fernando
and
aragon
in
vermont
not
to
exceed
250
for
reimbursement,
upon
presentation
of
original
invoices
and
or
receipts
and
iso
move.
Looking
for
second
patrick
seconds,
thank
you
megan.
Thank
you
for
the
very
useful
information.
K
A
Okay,
don't
go
away
megan,
we
will
next
move
on
to
one
of
the
topics
from
an
earlier
from
our
earlier
public
hearing,
and
that
is
zoning.
Amendment
proposed
amendment
to
definitions
of
story
and
basement
again.
There
is
a
very
helpful
cover
memo.
A
It
is
important
to
note
there
is
also
a
review
by
katie
bordella,
commissioner
of
planning
and
sustainability
for
the
county,
but
megan
did
you
have
any
comments
to
make
before
we
turn
to
the
resolution.
K
A
Okay,
why
don't
we
get
this
on
the
table?
First,
so
draft
resolution
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
municipal
code,
the
city
of
ithaca,
chapter
325,
entitled
zoning
to
amend
section,
3
definition
of
word
usage
to
modify
the
definition
of
story
and
basement
first
declaration
of
lead
agency.
I
won't
read
the
whole
resolution
here.
Resolved
common
council
of
ithaca
does
hereby
declare
itself
lead
agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
the
proposed
proposal
to
amend
municipal
code
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
chapter
325,
entitled
zoning
to
amend
the
definitions
of
story
and
basement.
A
A
The
next
item
to
address
is
a
declaration
of
environmental
significance,
and
here
again,
whereas
common
council
city
of
ithaca,
acting
as
lead
agency,
has
reviewed.
The
saf
prepared
by
planning
staff
now,
therefore
be
resolved,
that
this
common
council,
as
lead
agency
in
this
matter,
hereby
adopts
as
its
own.
The
findings
and
inclusions
were
fully
set
forth
in
the
feast
dated
july
14
2022.
A
A
An
ordinance
from
men's
the
municipal
code,
the
city
of
ithaca,
chapter
entitled,
zoning
to
men's
section,
3
definitions
and
word
usage
to
modify
the
definition
of
story
and
basement,
whereas
in
2013
and
2021,
the
city
amended
the
zoning
ordinance
to
revise
how
building
height
in
feet
is
calculated
to
one
better
address.
Building
heights
on
sloped
sites
and
two
improve
consistency
between
the
zoning
ordinance
in
the
new
york
state
building
code
and
whereas
building
height
is
also
measured
in
stories.
A
And
there
remains
a
discrepancy
in
the
definition
of
story
between
the
zoning
ordinance
and
new
york
state
building
code
and
whereas
this
discrepancy
primarily
occurs
on
sloped
sites
where
basement
is
considered
a
story
under
one
code,
but
not
the
other.
Whereas
aligning
the
two
definitions
of
story
would
create.
Consistent
building
height
calculations
under
the
zoning
code
and
new
york.
State
building
code
would
simplify
project
analysis
for
staff
and
property
owners.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved,
and
I
will
not
read
the
whole
ordinance.
A
All
right
moving
on,
we
have
the
restore
new
york
funding
application,
and
this,
too,
was
addressed
was
addressed
in
public
hearing
earlier
this
evening.
I
will
read
this.
A
Resolution
authorizing
restore
ny6
funding
application,
whereas
the
2020
to
23
years
budget
provided
250
million
dollars
for
the
restore
new
york
communities
initiative,
which
will
be
awarded
in
two
rounds:
100
million
in
the
first
round
application
due
october,
11
2022
150,
I'm
sorry
100
million
dollars
in
the
first
round.
I
hope
I
got
that
correct.
B
A
A
Proposal
to
address
any
unforeseen
feasibility
issues
that
arise
that
would
impact
competitiveness
of
the
application
and
resolved
that,
if
awarded
the
mayor
upon
advice
from
the
city,
attorneys
hereby
authorize
to
execute
an
agreement
with
the
empire
state
development
corporation
and
any
other
documents
necessary
to
receive
the
restore
new
york
grant,
as
well
as
agreements
with
property
owners
to
implement
the
project
and
be
a
further
resolve.
The
iura
is
hereby
authorized
to
administer
and
implement
the
city's
restore
new
york.
Six
grant
award
and
isil
move
patrick
seconds.
E
Thank
you
this,
of
course,
this
is
always
welcome.
You
know
I
have
this
kind
of
funding
from
the
city.
If
you
have
a
question,
I
didn't
notice
it
until
we
were
reading
this.
I
think
it's
the
third,
whereas.
E
A
Yes,
I
can
respond
to
that,
but
I
see
nells
is
here
and
it
may
be
far
better
for
nels
to
offer
a
response
to
rob's
question
yeah.
L
A
Thank
you
nells
cynthia,
it
is.
It
does
seem
very
interesting
that
we
have
these
properties
right
now
in
the
core
and
they
do
have
such
a
high
vacancy
rate,
which
is
in
the
public
hearing
document
at
the
beginning
of
the
agenda,
and
I
I
guess,
understanding
that
it's
going
to
be
transitioned
or
proposed
to
be
transitioned
from
office
space
into
housing,
and
that's
one
of
the
aspects
that
rise
made.
It
rise
up
to
the
top
of
the
list
in
terms
of
applicable
projects.
A
Could
you
tell
us
more
about
why
this
is
so
attractive?
It
does
seem
very
interesting
that
that
this
downtown
site
should
struggle.
L
In
terms
of
attractiveness
for
scoring
in
the
grant
application
round,
yeah
and
tom
knight-
and
I
both
worked
on
this
project
and
solicited
proposals-
and
we
could
get
multiple
proposals
and
and
scored
them
essentially
against
the
state's
funding
criteria
and
then
applied
some
local
criteria
as
well
to
see
if
it
was
consistent
with
the
city's
plans.
So
we,
the
the
scoring
for
this
program,
provides
communities
with
a
with
a
several
categories
of
funding.
One
is
economic
distress
and
ithaca
does
not
score
any
points
under
economic
distress.
L
Happily,
however,
that
puts
us
in
a
much
more
competitive
position
to
score
well
in
the
other
ones.
If
we're
gonna
win
funding
from
this
program,
because
on
the
there
were
over
300
communities
on
on
the
you
know,
information
session
that
was
provided.
So
we
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
competition
for
the
funding.
So
we
looked
at
trying
to
maximize
the
scoring
the
state
uses
and
they
use.
They
provide
20
points
for
commercial
investment
and
20
points
for
for
local
housing,
as
well
as
project
readiness.
L
L
They
already
received
some
award
from
the
main
street
program,
they're,
probably
going
to
be
working
with
nyserda
on
the
program,
and
there
were
three
or
four
other
funding
programs,
so
they
would
score
well
in
that
category,
because
they're
providing
several
housing
units
they're
going
to
score
well
there
and
the
commercial
reinvestment
is
going
to
also
induce
it
that
that's
kind
of
more
of
a
view
of
of
tax
base
improvement
and
maintaining
the
tax
base,
as
well
as
as
having
a
ground
floor,
active
use
and
that
investment
to
try
to
develop
a
restaurant
space
could
be
important
in
that
regard.
L
So
really
we
were
looking
at
trying
to
make
sure
we
had
projects
that
were
very
competitive
from
the
state's
scoring
criteria
and
we're
ready
to
go,
and
in
this
case
this
development
team
has
already
received
one
restored.
New
york
grant
award
with
the
press
bay
court
kind
of
project
and
the
ethical
journal
project.
They
know
that
they
know
what's
involved
in
the
grant
application.
L
They
know
that
the
funding
is
probably
a
year
away
from
when
the
project's
completed,
and
that
was
a
surprise
to
some
other
developers
and
other
applicants
that
the
funding
it
takes
a
long
time
to
be
received,
and
so
we
have
confidence
that
this
development
team,
you
know,
is
going
into
this
with
their
eyes
open
and
understand
the
requirements
as
well.
So
it's
got
a
lot
of
good
public
benefits
from
the
state
scoring
criteria
as
well
as
feasibility
and.
A
A
Next
agenda
item
is
historic,
designation
application.
This
is
of
the
home
dairy
building.
We
heard
one
public
comment
in
support
of
this.
At
the
outside
of
our
meeting,
brian
mccracken
has
provided
a
helpful
memo,
cover
memo
and
notes
from
the
ilpc's
decision.
So
brian,
can
I
turn
this
over
to
you
right
now
to
offer
any
additional
or
summary
comments
on
this.
M
Absolutely
thank
you
mayor,
so
this
is
a
unique
proposal
in
that
most
of
the
landmark
nominations
that
the
commission
reviews
either
originate
from
staff
or
from
the
commission
themselves
or
other
city
sponsored
entities.
This
was
a
nomination
that
was
brought
forward
by
a
member
of
the
community.
He
spoke
this
evening
in
support
of
the
nomination.
He
is
currently
a
cornell
student,
but
holds
a
phd
in
american
studies.
M
It
is
also
unique
in
that
it
represents
an
under
underrepresented
community
in
terms
of
designations
in
our
community.
Most
of
what
we
review
relates
to
industry
or
major,
the
you
know
foundation
founding
of
cornell
university.
You
know
downtown
development
projects,
high
style
buildings.
This
is
a
building
that
is
significant
for
many
of
those
reasons,
but
also
for
its
significant
contributions
to
the
lgbtq
community
in
ithaca.
So
I
would
like
to
open
it
up
now
to
questions.
I'm
sure
there
are
quite
a
few
so.
A
E
H
Whereas,
as
set
forth
in
section
228-4
of
the
municipal
code,
the
ethical
landmarks
preservation
commission
in
the
ilpc
is
responsible
for
recommending
to
common
council.
Today's
designation
of
structures
for
resources,
individual
landmarks
and
historic
districts
in
the
city
and
whereas
on
august
16
2022,
the
ilpc
conducted
a
public
hearing
for
the
purpose
of
considering
composers
block
home
dairy
firefront
books,
building
at
143
state
street
as
a
local
landmark.
H
Whereas
the
designation
of
global
landmark
is
a
type
2
action
of
the
new
york
state,
environmental
quality
review
act
and
the
city,
environmental
quality,
review,
ordinance
and
essential
course.
No
further
environmental
review
and
whereas
the
iltc
heaven
the
proposal
meets
criteria.
One
two:
three
four
and
five:
defining
the
legal
landmark
under
section
228-b.
H
B
H
Fiber
grain
books,
building
143
state
street
and
whereas
section
228-4
of
the
municipal
code
states
that
the
common
council
shall,
within
90
days
to
set
a
recommendation
of
destination,
approve
disapprove
or
refer
back
to
the
ilfc
for
modification
and
resolved
at
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee.
Concur.
Slash
does
not
concur
with
the
findings
of
the
ithaca
landmarks
preservation.
Commission.
It
finds
the
andrews
block
home
dairy
firearm.
First
building
at
143
east
state.
H
A
H
A
E
Problem
well,
well,
not
a
question,
but
just
a
thank
you
to
the
well.
First
of
all,
any
of
you
who
have
worked
with
any
members
of
ilpc,
I'm
their
liaison
this
year
and
they're
a
very
dedicated
group
and
working
along
with
brian.
They
do
pretty
significant
work.
So
I
think
it's
really
interesting
that
this
came
outside
the
commission,
but
they,
of
course,
in
their
thorough
work.
E
We
had
that
great
presentation
and
they
support
this
proposal.
So
I
hope
you
have
supported
as
well,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
jeff
who
was
here
earlier
because
he
was
the
person
who
brought
forward
this
this
nomination
and
I
think
he
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
a
great
presentation.
A
Yes,
thank
you
agreed
cynthia.
I
agree.
It's
a
beautiful
building,
I'm
glad
to
see
this
proposal
come
forward.
I
definitely
support
it.
I
do
notice
a
typo
under
number
four
of
the
resolve
it's
to
significantly
influence
and
age,
so
fast
change
that
but
yeah
definitely
in
support
of
this.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
yeah.
I
think
this
is
wonderful.
I
really
credit
jeff
for
bringing
this
forward
and
credit
the
work
of
the
iopc
on
moving
this
forward,
so
all
in
favor
of
approving,
and
that
is
unanimous,
4-0.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
A
B
A
Better
understanding
of
the
possible
processes
for
for
moving
forward-
and
there
is
work
there-
are
questions
to
be
answered
before
moving
forward,
but
it
is
also
really
important
for
the
committee
and
for
the
public
to
understand
the
rfei
and
rfp
process
and
by
the
way,
the
same
question
and
need
to
understand
the
two
paths
came
up
in
the
county's
meeting
the
other
day
as
well.
So
nels
can
I
turn
this
over
to
you
now.
L
L
There
we
go
so
yeah.
This
is.
This
is
describing
two
different
approaches
to
soliciting
developers
to
to
undertake
a
a
project
that
the
city's
interested
in
doing,
and
so
in
this
case,
we're
thinking
about
a
public-private
partnership
initiative
that
would
address
on-house
individuals
as
an
example
here.
But
the
rfei
a
request
for
expressions
of
interest
and
an
rfp
request
for
proposals
is
a
common
tool
used
for
all
sorts
of
projects,
whether
they're,
bridges
or
finding
developers
for
for
housing
or
seeking
seeking
out
proposals
for
for
legal
service,
for
example
oftentimes.
L
So
I
wanted
to
just
explain
that
these
are
really
two
different
approaches
to
solicit.
So
the
studying
proposals
are
understanding
the
market
in
some
cases,
and
there
are
variations
in
each
of
these
as
well,
and
so
there
can
be
some
variation
in
some
slippery
slippiness
between
them,
but
essentially
the
main
important
difference
I
want
to
focus
on
are
the
phase
of
the
project
and
and
kind
of
the
information
that's
provided
by
the
issuer.
L
So,
in
this
case,
we
would
be
thinking
about
the
issuer
as
a
city
of
ithaca
and
those
who
would
be
responding
would
we
would
be
members
of
developers,
not-for-profit
service
agencies,
or
maybe
people
just
of
interest
who
want
to
provide
input
to
the
community
in
the
case
of
an
rfei
in
the
case
of
an
rfp
we
would
expect
it
would
be
somebody
seriously
interested
in
trying
to
fulfill
the
you
know.
L
The
project
is
defined,
so
an
rfei
is
is
most
typically
used
at
a
time
when,
when
the
issuer
can
identify
an
opportunity
or
a
problem,
but
it's
not
sure
exactly
what
the
solution
is
or
if
there's
market
interest
out
there
to
do
it.
L
An
rfp,
on
the
other
hand,
has
really
predefined
what
services
or
project
the
community
wants
and
has
defined
a
very
detailed
scope
of
services
or
scope
of
work,
and
it
can
define
exactly
what
is
being
sought.
So
you
know
that
in
this
case
it
would
be.
We
know
exactly
what
we
want:
we're
going
to
ask
a
developer
or
a
service
organization
to
provide
a
proposal
back
to
the
community
with
a
price
tag
on
it,
typically
as
well
yeah,
very
clear
financial
proposal.
L
L
It's
trying
to
better
understand
what
issues
might
come
up
in
a
in
a
more
detailed
solicitation
and
and
also
explore
the
alternative
solutions
and
approaches
that
might
be
available
to
the
community
to
address
the
opportunity
or
problem,
whereas
in
an
rfp
the
I,
the
scope
of
work
has
been
identified
and
we're
trying
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
implement
a
project
and
that's
that's
a
really
important
difference
between
the
two
another
important
difference
between
the
two
is
kind
of
the
expected
response.
L
When
you
issue
an
rfdi
again,
you're
really
kind
of
looking
for
a
statement
of
interest
by
developers,
their
qualifications
and
their
approach
to
the
project
and
that
developer
may
or
may
not
be
fully
interested
into
it.
They
may
be
just
exploring
ideas.
They
may
be
pitched.
They
may
be
interested
in
a
part
of
the
project,
but
not
the
full
project.
They
may
say
I
want
to
do
the
service
provision,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
the
construction,
so
you
can.
L
L
You
don't
need
to
develop
really
detailed
guidelines
for
an
rfi,
because
you're
really
asking
what
are
the
opportunities
and
approaches
available
out
in
the
marketplace
of
ideas
and
developers
and
in
rfp
you
really
need
to
drill
down
and
think
about
as
many
issues
as
you
can
that
you
would,
you
know,
establish
as
minimum
requirements
for
the
request
for
proposals
response,
because
essentially
you're
trying
to
move
to
a
contract
to
implement
a
project
in
that
case,
whereas
in
rfei
typically
it's
not,
it
doesn't
move
directly
to
a
contractor
funding.
L
It
might
identify
a
group,
you
want
to
work
with,
and
it's
not
it's
very
common
for
an
rfei.
After
reviewing
responses
to
help
kind
of
sharpen
what
the
community
wants
and
what
is
feasible
in
the
marketplace
and
then
develop
and
then
use
that
information
to
develop
an
rfp,
so
there's
really
two.
L
These
are
two
kind
of
major
categories:
again,
there's
some
subcategories
in
between
there
and
I
think
that
again,
the
main
focus
is
is,
in
one
case,
the
rfp.
You
know
what
you
want
and
in
our
and
in
the
other
case,
you
are
open
to
other
ideas
and
unsure
exactly
of
what
the
solution
to
the
problem
or
opportunity
is
so
with
that
I'll,
just
kind
of
conclude
in
and
open
for
answer
any
questions.
Anybody
has
about
this
framework.
A
Thank
you
for
providing
this
chart
very
helpful
to
understand
the
distinction
between
the
two
discussion
comments,
questions,
patrick.
H
It's
really
broad
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
specifics,
but
if
we
were
to
just
assume
for
a
second
that
the
city
and
county
are
all
on
the
same
page
about
what
we
want,
what
are
the
two
timelines
for
if
we
were
to
do
an
rfvi?
H
What,
where
would
we
be
if
we
were
to
issue
today,
like
what
point
would
we
be
at
for
up
and
running
versus
if
we
did
an
rfp
phone
steps
in
between
and
up
and
running,
it's
like
sort
of
barring
costs,
sparring
county
cooperation
and
us
varying
our
priorities?
If
we
had,
if
we
perfectly
issued
either
today,
what
would
be
your
guest
on
a
timeline
for
when
we
would
see
something
if.
L
We
were
to
use
an
example
of
a
sanctioned
encampment
proposal.
Then
I
think
it
would
take
several
weeks
to
develop
the
information
of
the
the
issuer
would
need
to
to
prepare
an
rfp
for
a
project
like
that
and
again
one
of
those
inputs
would
be.
L
Is
there
land
being
made
available?
What
what
exactly
which
land
would
be
made
available
for
a
facility
like
that
is?
There
should
be
an
expectation
by
the
issuer
that
if
the
project
is
expected
to
cost
money,
that
the
city
is
seriously
interested
in
expanding
those
funds
or
appropriating
sufficient
funds
to
feasibly
complete
a
project
and
also
probably
identify
any
assistance,
the
public,
the
the
city
would
be
willing
to
offer
to
assist
a
project
beyond
financial
assistance.
So
those
things
would
take
a
lot
of
some
several.
L
You
know
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
develop
and
then
also
we
would
want
to
make
sure
that
the
proposal
in
an
rfp
process
was
addressed.
All
the
issues
of
concern,
such
as
minimum
qualifications,
might
be
one
thing
required
operating
requirements,
number
of
units.
You
know
those
kind
of
things
could
all
be
identified
in
an
rfp
there's
room
there.
L
You
can
keep
it,
you
can
keep
it
vague,
but
then
you
get,
then
you
get
responses
that
don't
that
are
hard
to
compare
between
each
other
in
some
cases,
so
it
would
take
longer
to
issue
the
rfp
but
and
the
rfei
could
be
developed
and
issued
in
a
much
shorter
period
of
time
because
you're
not
asking
for
all
those
obligate.
You
know
all
that
information
you're,
not
making
a
commitment
to
the
respondents
that
you're
expecting
to
go
forward
with
a
project
and
provide
funding,
whereas
an
rfp.
L
You
really
are
you're,
saying
we're
serious
about
doing
this
project
and
we
expect
to
get
to
a
contract
to
fund
it.
So
you
want
to
you
know
those
are
two
major
differences,
so
the
rfi
could
be
issued
quicker.
But
if
you
knew
what
you
wanted
to
do,
the
rfp
is
a
quicker
process
because
it
results
in
a
contractual
agreement
to
implement
the
project
where
the
rfei
moves
you
forward
in
a
direction,
but
it
doesn't
get
you
to
a
contractual
agreement
with
a
respondent.
L
So
I
guess
you
really
are
also
asking
like
how
many
months
or
something
like
that.
I
think
an
rfp
requires
more
time
to
provide
for
responses
as
well,
because
it
does
require
a
respondent
to
develop
a
detailed
response
and
may
have
to
partner
with
other
groups
or
identify
how
they're
going
to
finance
their
comport
their
portion
of
the
project.
So
I
think
you'd
have
to
give
a
longer
timeline
for
an
rfp
than
you
would
for
an
rfei.
L
So
let's
say
all
the
information
is
is
in
place
for
an
rfp
and
the
city
is
ready
to
issue
it.
I
think
you
could
ask
for
responses
within
six
to
eight
weeks
and
then
you
would
then
vet
those
against
evaluation
criteria
that
the
city
created
and
take
a
look
at
it.
You
know
in
that
in
that
frame
it
would
have
to
then
come
back
to
a
common
council
committee
for
review
and
and
then
there
would
be
review
by
attorney
to
take
a
look
at
legal
issues
related
to
it
as
well.
L
So
I
think,
there's
a
there's.
I
don't
think
either
of
these
is
a
process
that
would
move
from
where
we
are
today
to
completion
of
a
project
by
may
of
next
year,
for
example,
when
the
cold
weather
policy
expires.
Typically,
I
don't
think
it's
prac.
I
don't
get
practical
to
think
that
either
of
these
could
lead
to
a
physical
project
being
ready
for
occupancy
in
spring
of
2023.
L
That's
a
very
tight
timeline.
To
I
mean
it
would
require
this
this
committee
to
make
recommendations
on
those
inputs
that
we
just
talked
about,
and
then
the
common
council
to
essentially
endorse
those
inputs,
such
as
the
land
to
be
made
available
public
fun.
You
know
an
anticipated
amount
of
public
funding
to
be
made
available
and
and
at
least
a
range
and
and
identifying
other
public
assistance
that
might
be
offered.
L
So
I
think
those
would
be
the
imp,
the
inputs
that
would
be
required
first
and
foremost,
and
then
we'd
have
to
work
to
develop
a
detailed
scope
of
work
and
and
make
sure
that
that
is
endorsed
by
the
common
council,
so
october
24th
is
doesn't
seem
practical,
given
that
the
next
committee
meeting
of
the
pdc
is
not
until
about
that
time
period.
H
Sorry,
let
me
just
clarify
quickly:
I
meant
like
23rd
25,
like
2023.
L
L
Yeah,
if,
if
this,
if
the
city's
making
decisions
and
the
resources
to
be
made
available
in
the
specific
land
to
be
made
available,
the
fall
of
2023
is
is
a
feasible
timeline.
I
think
for
either
an
rfei
project
that
leads
to
an
rfp
or
directly
to
an
rfp.
I
think
if,
if
there
was
progress
on
the
city
side
of
identifying
the
resources
to
be
made
available,
I
think
that's
a
feasible
timeline
to
think
about.
E
Thanks
smells,
you
know,
I
think,
as
we
all
understand
and
as
we're
hearing
people,
including
one
of
our
public
speakers
tonight,
there's
a
real
urgency
to
this.
So
as
I'm
hearing
the
the
different
options
it
it
feels
like.
E
You
know,
with
the
caveat
that
you
mentioned
about.
If
we
knew
everything
that
we
thought
we
needed
to
know
that
the
rfp
would
move
us
along
faster.
But
so
I
guess
that's.
The
question
is:
what's
our
confidence
around
the
fact
that
we
know
all
the
things
we
need
to
know
to
do
that
and
how
are
we
going
to
figure
that
out.
A
Rob
that's
a
great
question,
I'll
jump
in
here
and
then
nels
certainly
can
can
jump
in.
The
committee
may
recall
that
there
is
a
work
plan
to
respond
to
homeless
encampments,
and
I
certainly,
as
others
have
heard,
the
call
for
urgency
to
do
something
to
definitely
be
moving
forward,
not
standing
still
on
this
critical
issue
that
impacts
the
lives
of
so.
B
A
In
our
community,
so
there
is
a
working
group
that
has
been
tasked
with
developing
a
policy
and
in
this
work
plan
we've
offered
some
specific
deadlines
to
aim
for
because
we
definitely
want
to
be
action.
Oriented
process
oriented
on
this.
But
there
are
a
number
of
questions,
as
I
said
earlier,
and
that
are
included
in
this
proposed
work
plan
to
get
at
some
of
these.
So
the
committee
that
means
actually
the
first
meeting
is
tomorrow.
A
A
To
craft
an
rfp,
yes
and
I'll
turn
to
nels
and
lisa,
who
both
have
agreed
to
serve
on
this
working
group
mike
thorne,
is
the
other
staff.
Member
council
members
include
cynthia
brock,
george
mcgonagall
or
heidi
fandini,
so
I
think
we
have
a
very
good
group
faith.
Barbara
is
the
mayor's
destiny
on
this
working
group,
so
lisa
nels.
L
Yeah
well,
the
one
of
the
important
inputs
is
to
understand
whether
the
city
is
going
in
this
on
a
financial
basis
alone
and
expecting
to
fund
the
project
from
city
resources
or
whether
we're
looking
for
a
joint
effort
in
collaboration
with
the
county
or
and
or
others.
And
you
know
it's
quicker
and
easier
to
craft,
an
rfp
if
you
don't
have
partners,
but
if
you
do
have
financial
partners,
it's
a
lower
cost
of
the
city
and
then
you'd
want
to
build
that
partnership
with
those
other
funders.
L
And
so
that's
a
that's
a
time
frame
issue.
But
it's
an
important
one
because
many
of
you
know
if
we're
exploring
a
sanction,
a
sanction,
encampment,
it's
not
eligible
for
very
many
federal
funding
sources,
maybe
maybe
maybe
zero.
So
it's
a
initial
project
cost
and
then
there's
ongoing
operating
costs
that
have
to
be
managed.
So
it's
it
could
be
a
really
important
to
make
sure
it's
a
partnership
project
if
we're
trying
to
minimize
city
financial
exposure
on
the
project.
L
L
And
I
just
should
mention
also
that
the
county's
health
and
human
services
committee
did
discuss
issues
regarding
in
response
to
tides
but
kind
of
larger
issues
as
well,
and
they
did
indicate
that
they're
very
interested
in
working.
It
seemed
like
a
very
strong
majority
of
the
group
was
interested
in
working
with
the
city
to
find
solutions.
L
They
did
seem
to
have
a
clear
preference
that
they
would
like
to
be
included
in
any
rfe
rfei,
as
as
involved
in
that
process,
if
they're
expected
to
provide
any
financial
support,
and
they
did
prefer
the
rfei
approach
to
the
rfp
approach
at
least
the
committee
members,
you
know
seem
seem
to
be
in
that
direction.
E
A
A
In
my
view,
we
recognize
that,
among
comparable
continuum
of
cares
across
the
region,
we
do
have
a
high
level
of
performances.
We
also
have
the
highest
rate
of
return
to
homelessness
after
being
placed
in
housing.
A
So
when
I
listened
into
the
county
conversation
and
their
response,
one
of
the
suggestions
and
encouragement
for
an
rfpi
was:
how
do
we
expand
our
emergency
shelter
options?
How
do
we
expand
housing?
And
I
agree:
those
are
things
that
we
need
to
do,
but
in
terms
of
specifically
the
unsheltered
population,
I
think
we
are
focusing
on
how
do
we
provide
a
safe
legal,
healthy
place
for
people
to
be
who
are
do
not
have
access
to
emergency,
shelter
or
or
housing
options?
A
And
so
it
does
narrow
down
the
options
or
the
problems
that
we
are
trying
to
address
and
may
not
require
such
a
broad
general
appeal
for
expressions
of
interest.
A
I
think
we
need
a
two-tiered
approach
in
terms
of
pursuing
an
rfp
as
well
as
okay.
What
can
we
put
in
place
by
the
spring
so
that
we
don't
have
a
replication
of
this
year
and
interim
steps
and
more
emergency
steps?
And
so
maybe
that
expands
the
work
of
this
working
group
and
the
commitment
to
try
to
address
those
issues.
A
A
The
the
committee's
work
on
a
sanctioned
encampment
is
moving
forward.
It
will
take
time
for
an
rfi
and
certainly
for
an
rfp,
but
I
hope
the
committee
will
be
discussing
what
are
some
of
the
options.
What
are
the
partnerships
that
would
be
helpful
in
more
immediate
responses.
A
A
That
is
not
something
that
is
up
for
discussion.
We
do
not
want
to
criminalize
someone
who
is
in
this
situation.
Also,
as
we
talk
about
protections
for
residents,
businesses
we're-
including
at
least
I
am
including
in
that
those
individuals
who
are
unhoused
who
are
living
in
our
current
unsanctioned
encampment.
A
They
need
services,
they
need
protection,
they
provide,
or
they
receive
rather
services
from
a
number
of
local
organizations,
but
the
and
cindy
I
agree
with
you,
and
I
think
that
it's
really
commendable.
The
work
of
the
volunteer
group
understanding
definitions
of
housing
and
if
there
is
an
encampment
that
does
not
that
structures
for
a
temporary
shelter
do
not
need
housing
definitions.
That
also
has
implications
for
funding
and
funding
from
heart,
for
example.
A
A
But
I
do
believe
that
we
have
forward
momentum
at
this
point,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
hearing
from
from
the
committee.
H
Yeah,
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
add
was
dan
klein
on
behalf
of
the
county,
sent
us
this
lovely
excel
sheet
of
sort
of
the
different
departments
within
the
county
and
what
they
looked
at.
As
you
know,
what
do
they
think
the
impact
of
their
department
was
what
additional
resources
they
think
are
needed.
H
Whatever
you're
going
to
do,
I
guess
my
hope
would
be
if
we
think
that
we
have
enough
of
the
data
and
that
if
an
rfp
is
not
significantly
longer
or
sorry
than
an
rfei
is
significantly
longer
to
getting
to
the
end
product
than
an
rfp
that
her
values
are
aligned
and
we
know
what
we
want
that
we
can
have.
I
think
I
mean
that's
saying
like
it
would
take
six
to
eight
weeks
even
giving
them.
H
You
know
three
or
four
months
to
just
like
flesh
this
out
so
well,
and
it
is
unquestionable
what
it
is
that
we're
asking
for.
I
do
think
an
rfp
makes
sense,
but
if
we
don't
think
that
we
know
exactly
what
we
want
just
quiet
and
at
least
me
and
my
scrambling
and
chicken
scratch
on
my
paper
here-
says
not
100
there.
Yet
I
understand
an
rfvi
could
be
put
out
faster
and
we
could
start
to
hear
what's
needed.
H
H
I
don't
know.
I
thought,
that's
that's
why
we'd
ask
them
to
yeah,
I
kind
of
like
I
guess,
rob's
idea.
H
H
It's
going
regardless
there's
a
long
way
of
saying.
I
don't
know
what
to
do,
but
I
I
do
like
that.
You
know
I
I
think
in.
If
you
know
the
county
has
given
us
what
the
city
has
for
the
working
and
the
folks
have
been
working
on
this
for
years
or
you
know
I've
been
talking
about
it
for
a
while
feel
like
we're
in
an
rfp
stage.
I
feel
comfortable
with
that,
but
if
we
don't,
then
I
would
suggest
we
do
an
rfvi.
B
A
A
A
To
clarify
that
there
is
space
in
the
shelter
now
now
there
are
processes
that
people
have
to
go
through
in
order
to
get
into
the
shelter,
and
some
people
choose
not
to
do
that,
and
especially
if
there's
no
repercussions
to
not
being
there,
then
it's
easy
to
choose
not
to
go
into
the
shelter.
A
So
I
didn't
want
to
just
articulate
that
and
then
with
cold
blue.
The
reason
why
suddenly
there's
more
availability
is
that
during
cold
blue,
the
new
york
state
government
will
reimburse
anyone
who
wants
shelter
either
in
terms
of
the
hotel
room
or
other
spaces
there's
financial
reimbursement,
and
I
think
that
really
highlights
one
of
the
challenges
that
our
municipality
and
all
municipalities
face.
Is
that
if
you
fall
into
and
you
receive
dss
certification,
there
is
government
funding
for
building,
shelters
and
building
housing,
and
so
on.
There's
government
funding
for
that.
A
We
don't
have
government
funding
for
individuals
who
are
sanctioned
from
dss,
and
so
therefore
that
has
since
it
doesn't
fit
into
a
criteria
that
the
city
and
the
county
that
we
can
check
off
and
say.
Oh,
we
can
get
a
grant
for
this.
It
then
becomes
that
part
of
the
municipal
structure
that
just
doesn't
get
addressed
and
and
you're
seeing
communities
around
the
nation
struggling
with
this,
which
is
why
they
then
rely
on
a
lot
of
nonprofits
to
try
to
fill
in
the
gaps,
because
they
don't
have
the
regulations
that
we
do.
A
A
A
I
just
had
something
to
add,
I
think
it's
been
said
in
multiple
ways,
but
I
I
just
want
to
add
that
you
know
the
one
thing
an
rfdi
allows
you
to
do
is
to
see
if
people
are
actually
interested,
because
putting
on
a
really
specific
rfp
can
also
result
in
nobody
responding
to
it.
If
it's
too
specific,
there
might
not
be
some
issues.
So
an
arca
allows
you
to
explore
what
people
would
be
interested
in,
responding
to
and
develop
a
proposal
around
an
actual
pool
of
people
who.
A
A
L
Yeah
we
we
used
an
rfei
process
for
the
east
hill
fire
station
project
and
we
issued
it
more
than
once,
because
the
first
responses
didn't
address
all
the
issues
the
city
was
concerned
about,
but
it
gave
the
city
information
to
help
frame
the
next
our
fbi,
in
which
case
that
rfbi
said
they
said
he
also
had
the
opportunity
to
move
towards
negotiation
with
the
selected
rfei
responded.
L
It
was
somewhat
simpler
issue
because
we,
you
know
the
city
knew
what
it
wanted.
Essentially,
it
wanted
to
redevelop
the
fire
station
and
and
find
a
location
for
for
a
new
fire
station,
but
that
was
an
rfei
process
that
did
move
right
into
a
fairly
extensive
transaction
process,
but
it
did.
It
did
lead
that
way,
and
it
was
important
I
think
to,
in
that
case,
to
to
hear
from
the
different
developers
out
in
the
community
what
they
were
willing
to
do
and
to
address
the
city's
needs.
So
it
was
helpful
in
that
case.
A
Did
you
use,
did
you
do
with
rfi
or
yeah?
I
was
thinking
also
in
that
island
and
was
rf
rdi
used
for
inlet
island.
L
I'm
trying
to
make
sure
I
answer
that
correctly.
I
think
we
moved
right
to
a
an
rfp
on
that
one,
because
we
could
have
done
we
we
actually
were
looking
for
qualifications,
primarily
first
it
was.
It
was
one
of
those
ones
that
I
didn't
include
on
the
table:
a
request
for
qualifications
to
find
an
entity
that
had
the
skill
set
and
an
interest
in
developing
the
project
where
we
laid
out
some
basic
components,
but
that
was
more
of
a
qualification
based
selection
process
and
then
inviting
the
top
qualifiers
to
submit
a
more
detailed
proposal.
A
Thank
you
for
being
a
memory
on
that,
patrick
then,
cynthia.
H
L
We
would
want
to
get
some
input
from
legal
on
that,
because
one
of
the
ideas
is
to
utilize
city,
land
and
sale
or
transfer
of
city
land,
lease
or
sale
has
some
special
requirements.
It
would
have
probably
have
to
go
through
an
urban
renewal
process
if
it
jumped
right
from
rfei
to
a
project,
it's
possible
to
negotiate
those
things,
but
that
in
itself
is
a
pretty
lengthy
process.
So,
if
speed
was
you
know
of
the
essence,
you
might
want
to
use
an
rfei
to
move
to
an
rfp
which
could
be
potentially
quicker.
A
I
did
want
to
comment
on
something
that
was
raised
during
the
health
and
human
services
committee
meeting,
and
one
of
the
comments
was
from
the
planning
department,
which
is,
if,
if
the
southwest
park
site
to
be
utilized
for
something
like
this,
that
it
is
in
the
flood
plain,
and
then
you
know
it's,
it's
also
an
environmental
equity
issue,
which
of
course,
then
I
I
thought
well,
but
all
of
the
flats
are
in
the
floodplain
and
and
then
that
leaves
the
hills
in
the
city
which
are
largely
built
up,
and
it
did
remind
me
that
this,
as
many
people
have
said
this
is
a
community-wide
problem.
A
This
is
not
just
a
city
issue
and
if,
if
the
floodplain
is
a
barrier,
then
that
means
looking
to
other
locations,
perhaps
outside
of
the
city
and
and
acknowledging
that
in
terms
of
housing
and
homeless
services.
This
is
something
that
this
typically
is
conducted
by
the
county.
A
The
the
reason
that
we're
having
this
discussion
at
all
is
just
is
this
an
appropriate
use
of
of
city
land
right.
It
doesn't
really
happen
in
the
same
land.
It
could
be
private
property,
it
could
be
elsewhere,
it
could
be
done
without
using
sitting.
That
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
So
I
do
think
this
is
another
aspect
about
why
partnership
with
the
county,
I
think,
is
important
and
thinking
about
this
as
a
community-wide
issue,
not
just
a
city.
This.
B
A
Is
is
another
way
to
frame
this
which
we
haven't
thought
about
so
much.
I
think
we
tend
to
we're
looking
at
areas
near
the
west
end,
because
that's
where
the
majority
of
individuals
are
right
now
but
again,
if
we
go
back
to
saying
well,
anything
in
the
floodplains
is
not
appropriate
for
any
kind
of
development,
including
this
project.
A
And
thank
you.
It
certainly
is
a
community-wide
challenge.
It's
great
that
the
county
is
interested
in
partnering
with
the
city.
You
know,
one
of
the
advantages
of
an
rfei
is-
and
I
think
patrick
will
allude
to
this.
It
would
potentially
open
up
others
who
would
have
ideas
experience
to
bring
to
there.
So
all
of
this
will
be
discussed
by
the
working
group,
starting
tomorrow.
A
Or
weekly,
but
they
will
have
a
number
of
questions
to
address
at
the
very
onset
in
terms
of
the
structure,
the
meeting
schedule
and
so
on.
Yeah.
A
Yes,
yeah.
Definitely
I
was
thinking
that
an
update
to
pedc
from
the
working
group,
because
the
next
pedc
meeting
is
not
until
october
19th.
A
E
Is
there
anything
specific
that
you
need
from
us
that
we
haven't
already
addressed?
We've
been
able
to
provide
as
a
video
on
this
topic.
A
A
To
do
something
like
this,
I
do
get
the
sense
just
from
conversations
I've
heard
both
of
this
committee
and
then
on
council
that
there's
general
support
to
go
that
way.
So
I
think
that
would
help
inform
the
working
group
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
F
B
A
Possibility
it's
not
the
only
possibility
again
to
patrick's
point.
I
would
hope
that
we
would
keep
things
wide
open
and
the
welcoming
of
a
number
of
options-
rfp
would
not
be
sorry.
A
sanctioned
enchantment
would
not
be
the
only
option,
but
that
will
be
up
to
the
committee
and
the
discussions
that
will
begin
at
their
first
meeting
tomorrow.
A
A
This
is
a
topic
that
is
has
been
addressed
in
the
past
and
a
topic
that
a
number
of
volunteers
in
the
community
have
been
spending
time
discussing
and
we
are
taking
real
action
steps
now
with
a
with
a
working
group,
and
then
there
will
be
helpful
updates,
I
believe,
by
the
october
19.
A
A
Review
of
minutes,
I
saw,
I
think,
a
few
exchanges
with
a
couple
of
edits
that
cynthia
offered
with
those
edits
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
august
minutes,
patrick.
A
All
those
in
favor
of
a
journey-
and
that
is
unanimous,
thank
you
and
as
we
adjourn,
I
just
want
to
thank
city
staff
for
making
this
meeting
move
forward
so
smoothly.
A
Thanks
city
staff
who
joined
us
virtually,
but
I'm
really
really
pleased
with
how
this
worked
out
tonight.
So
thank
you
for
everyone
who
made
it
work
so
smoothly.