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C
D
C
It's
alt,
I
believe,
we'll
be
speaking.
First
hi,
theresa.
E
B
C
E
C
Reminder
of
the
which
you
know
very
well
the
three
minute.
Yes
speaking,
yes,.
E
I
am
okay,
I
am
theresa
alt
of
206
eddie
street.
Oh,
I
see
what's
wrong.
I'm
sorry,
I
gotta
get
rid
of
the
sound
of
wait
hold
on.
I
was,
let's
see.
E
Yes,
I
was
getting
feedback
from
you
know
from
trying
to
watch
on
live
stream.
Sorry,
okay,
I'm
teresa
all
206
eddie
street
college
town.
I
sat
through
the
pdc
meeting
on
july
20th
of
this
year.
The
beginning
was
about
zoning.
The
end
was
about
ideas
of
the
tides
working
group
to
deal
with
unhoused
people
in
the
jungle.
E
Ironically,
people
cited
carmen
guidi's.
Second,
wind
cottages.
As
a
model,
someone
said
they
were
possible
in
newfield,
because
land
is
cheaper
there.
Land
in
the
city
of
ithaca
is
expensive,
because
many
people
want
to
live
within
walking
distance
of
jobs
and
or
classes
fair
enough.
It
is
also
expensive
unnecessarily,
because
tax
abatements
issued
by
the
industrial
development
agency
or
ida,
let
developers
jack
up
land
prices
and
get
tax
subsidies
for
building
luxury
housing
and
the
ida
subsidizes
anything
because
the
city
designated
central
downtown
and
the
waterfront
as
ctap
areas.
E
E
If
somebody
tried
that
in
ithaca
it
would
not
meet
zoning
requirements.
In
fact,
it
is
not
clear
to
me
how
an
allowed
encampment
will
meet
zoning
requirements.
I'm
for
such
an
encampment.
I
think,
but
does
city-owned
land
not
have
to
comply
with
zoning,
or
does
it
have
its
own
zoning?
I'm
wondering
about
that
now,
so
you
have
one
minute
left,
I'm
done!
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you.
My
name
is
zach
winn
yeah.
Whatever
determination
is
made
on
the
tide's
proposal,
emergency
emergency
services
and
first
responders
should
have
access
to
100
percent
of
city
property.
100
of
the
time
I
repo
propose,
as
an
intra
interim,
immediate
step
to
cut
access
roads
along
the
perimeter
of
city
land
in
the
jungle
behind
walmart
and
off
of
brindley
and
cherry
street
waiting
for
winter,
for
the
camps
to
clear
will
take
too
long
and
there's
no
guarantee
that
the
encampments
themselves
will
be
cleared
during
the
course
of
winter.
D
I
am
sure
you
are
all
well
aware
of
the
issues
on
the
west
end
behind
walmart
the
systematic
thefts
fires
that
are
started,
including
one
right
on
the
train
track
that
appears
to
have
been
set
deliberately
and
systematic
break-ins
into
the
storage
unit
over
on
brindley
and
cherry
and
vehicles
now
parking
in
the
woods
next
to
the
train
tracks.
D
So
immediate
action
is
required
and
the
timetable
for
the
debate
for
the
tonight's
proposal
seems
rather
long.
Things
are
getting
worse
by
the
day,
so
any
issue
addressing
homelessness
on
the
west
end.
D
I
do
not
think
will
address
the
day-to-day
crime
and
thefts
that
are
occurring
due
to
an
influx
of
drug
addicted
and
mentally
ill
from
other
counties,
and
I
suggest
also,
as
part
of
the
ties
proposal
seeking
to
get
other
counties
to
stop
sending
individuals
who
have
ongoing
crises,
whether
they
be
mental
health
or
drug
addiction
to
this
county,
they're,
essentially
pawning
off
the
responsibility
to
their
own
citizen
on
thompson
county,
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
made
clear
to
surrounding
authorities
that
that's
not
acceptable.
C
Those
were
the
only
two
who
signed
up
for
speaking
tonight.
I
will
just
point
out
that
we
do
have
a
report
on
our
agenda
on
unhoused
work
plan,
so
we
will
be
discussing
that
shortly,
but
is
there
a
reaction
response
from
any
council
member
any
committee
member.
C
F
I
agree
with
teresa
that
it
is
time
for
us
to
seriously
reconsider
and
perhaps
determine
that
our
ctap
program
has
been
successful
and
the
need
for
continued
exercise
of
this
program
for
for
new
projects
is
no
longer
necessary.
The
idea
that
we
are
subsidizing,
market,
market
and
luxury
rate
apartments
downtown
makes
no
economic
sense.
F
In
my
mind,
I
think
we
are
an
incredibly
successful
and
attractive
community
for
development,
for
individuals
who
choose
to
live
work
and
play
in
ithaca,
and
the
need
to
provide
tax
abatements
to
lure
development
is
is
no
longer
necessary.
So
I
would
love
to
see
that
program
come
to
an
end
and
to
to
zach's
point
he
is.
He
is
right.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
emergency
access
to
all
the
land
in
the
city.
F
If,
especially
in
places
where
people
are
living,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
emergency
personnel
can
get
to
them
and
make
sure
that
they
are
safe.
I
would
also
like
to
see
a
speedier
response
and
we
will
be
talking
about
this
proposal
later
on
in
the
agenda.
As
the
mayor
indicated,
thank.
C
You
thank
you
cynthia,
any
other
committee
member
response.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
We'll
now
move
on
to
our
special
order
of
business.
We
do
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
east
hill
fire
station
urban
renewal
project.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing?
Thank
you,
patrick
and
a
second
cynthia.
C
C
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
We
next
have
a
presentation
on
zero
emission
transportation
and
I
will
turn
this
presentation
over
to
louise.
G
Thank
you
very
much
major.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
show
off
my
t-shirt,
electrify
itaka.
I
think
that
was
that
was
important.
Normally
I
wear
a
suit,
as
you
all
know,
but
you
know
today
I
wore
a
t-shirt
just
for
you,
then
the
second
important
point:
I'm
gonna
go
over
what
we
have
discovered
while
we
are
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
emissions
that
come
from
transportation
in
the
city
of
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
and
I'm
gonna.
Take
you
through
a
presentation.
G
Can
you
confirm
that
you
can
see
my
screen
in
presentation
mode?
Thank
you
very
much,
so
this
presentation
was
put
together
by
me
and
rebecca
that,
as
you
know,
working
this
in
sustainability
and
then
lori
ann
santamaria,
who
during
the
summer,
has
been
helping
us
as
an
intern
in
gathering
some
of
this
information.
G
Just
a
very
quick
reminder:
the
itaka
green
new
deal
has
as
goals
to
fully
decarbonize
the
city
and
that
means
addressing
emissions
from
buildings,
transportation,
waste,
electric
grid,
etc.
Some
very
specific
objectives
were
defined
in
2019.
That
you
know
cannot
be
made
because
of
of
the
pandemic,
but
we
are
doing
our
best
to
catch
up.
We
finalize
greenhouse
gas
inventory-
and
here
I
have
to
give
credit
to
rebecca,
who
worked
really
really
hard
figuring
out.
You
know
where
the
emissions
come
from
in
our
community.
G
If
you
look
at
our
the
figure
on
the
left
side,
you
will
see
that
most
of
the
emissions
really
come
from
buildings,
with
the
revised
number
of
310
000
metric
tons
of
co2
equivalent
every
100
000
metric
tons.
Imagine
it's
like
70
000
cars.
You
know
going
at
it
at
the
same
time,
so
39
of
the
emissions
come
from
transportation.
G
We
are
addressing
buildings
right
now,
as
you
know,
with
a
program
to
retrofit
and
electrify
as
many
buildings
as
we
can,
and
also
with
a
new
energy
code
for
new
in
general.
The
strategy
that
we're
following
in
in
in
the
city
is
first
we're
addressing
energy
efficiency.
The
idea
is,
you
know,
maximize
efficiency
in
the
city
in
every
aspect
of
the
economy,
because
that
way
alone
we're
gonna
reduce.
We
estimate
about
35
of
the
total
emissions.
G
If
we
were
to
have
this
as
efficient
as
possible,
then
once
we
reach
a
maximum
level
of
efficiency,
for
example
in
buildings.
By
retrofitting
we
have
maximal
thermal
efficiency.
Then
we
proceed
to
electrification
and
that
is
replacing
anything
that
uses
fossil
fuels
with
an
electric
alternative,
and
then
we
make
sure
that
the
electricity
that
we're
using
is
as
clean
as
possible
and
then
there's
going
to
be
need
to
use
sequence
to
do
sequestration,
and
that
means
you
know,
planting
more
trees,
but
probably
using
other
technologies
that
are
and
will
become
available
very
soon.
G
Our
emissions
from
transportation
are
about
120
000
metric
tons
of
co2,
and
this
is
you
know
it's
not
too
bad.
If
you
think
about
you
know
what
we
had
in
2018
and
what
we
have
in
2021.
G
We
have
seen
that
because
of
the
pandemic,
obviously
there
was
a
decline
in
2020,
but
then
an
increase
which
is
slightly
more
than
what
I
was
expecting.
You
know
compared
to
2018
and
amazing
number,
the
number
of
trips
that
occur
in
the
city,
and
these
are
trips.
What
I
mean
is,
you
know
from
the
moment
a
vehicle
starts
and
then
stops
for
a
particular
period
of
time.
G
G
You
leave
the
boundary
of
the
city
and
come
back
just
because
you're
going
to
work
or
because
you
decide
to
take
a
particular
route,
but
in
total
we
can
also
separate
emissions
and
say
that
you
know
51
000
emissions
come
from
inbound
trips
or
52
000
for
outbound
or
for
14
000
for
in-boundary.
G
So
this
is
an
astonishing
number
when
you
think
about
it,
but
you
know
we
we
actually
checked
and
it's
very
much
in
line
with
a
lot
of
cities
our
size,
particularly
college
towns.
We
are
also
looking
at
emissions
in
municipal
operations.
We
completed
that
inventory
too.
Now
we
know
that
most
of
the
emissions
actually
come
from
the
municipal
fleet
in
regards
to
municipal
operations.
G
Most
of
it
comes
from
the
municipal
fleet
and
in
the
municipal
fleet,
most
of
it
comes
from
street
and
facilities,
and
that
is
because
they
have
the
largest
number
of
vehicles.
So
when
we
are
trying
to
address
emissions
from
municipal
operations,
also
transportation
becomes
really
important.
We're
doing
a
lot.
Actually,
you
know.
If
we
look
at
this,
you
know
we
have
about
987
evs
register
in
our
neighborhood.
G
That
means
that
you
know
about
557
are
hybrid
vehicles,
but
purely
electric
battery
vehicles
is
about
430..
There
is
an
interesting
jump
during
the
pandemic.
People
start
buying
more
electric
vehicles
and
hybrids,
and
that's
because
of
availability
and
the
way
we're
going
in
2022.
There
is
a
chance
that
we
will
buy
more
electric
vehicles
than
hybrid.
So
we
are
seeing
this
this
change
still
in
terms
of
metrics.
We
are
below
the
standard
for
new
york
state.
G
We
can
see
that,
for
example,
the
standard
should
be
about
16
electric
vehicles
per
charging
station,
so
we
have
21
for
level
2
charges
and
for
fast
charges
we
have
39,
so
we
still
have
to
deploy
more
charging
infrastructure
and,
in
terms
of
the
vehicles
that
we
find
on
the
road.
The
number
one
that
we
have
is
the
toyota
prius.
That
is
the
the
vehicle
that
that
people
have,
but
not
new
vehicles,
the
ones
that
people
are
buying
right
now
include
the
chevy
bolt
the
nissan
leaf
and
the
tesla
model
3..
G
So
those
are
the
vehicles
that
we
have
and-
and
also
in
terms
of
you
know,
in
comparison
with
other
cities
in
new
york.
Tompkins
county
is
here
at
the
top
in
terms
of
the
number
of
vehicles
per
capita
that
we
have,
but
not
really,
even
within
the
average
of
the
number
of
charging
stations
per
capita
that
we
have.
So
there
is
still
work
to
do
in
terms
of
infrastructure.
G
G
So
what
we
have
gathered
is
that
if
we
are
to
really
achieve
zero
emissions
transportation
in
the
city,
first
of
all,
we
need
to
maximize
efficiency
and
we
need
to
truly
integrate
multimodal
transportation
options
and-
and
we
need
to
reduce
the
number
of
miles
travel
in
passenger
vehicles.
You
know
we
need
to
provide
options
for
bike,
share,
ride,
share
and
car
share
in
the
city,
for
example,
we
need
to
also
address
emissions
from
municipal
operations,
but
this
has
to
be
in
a
phased
approach.
G
G
We
also
need
to
think
about
the
infrastructure
that
we
need
and,
and
we
need
infrastructure
for
municipal
operations
if
we
are
to
start
electrifying
all
the
municipal
vehicles.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
what
is
called
behind
the
fence
charging
infrastructure
and
that
will
vary
because
some
will
require
high
voltage
and
amperage.
G
Some
will
be
more
in
line
with
public
charging,
but
we
also
need
to
need
to
deploy
curbside
charging
stations
and
also
in
parking
lots,
parking
instructors
or
municipal
buildings
and,
and
that
has
to
do,
among
other
things,
with
equity.
There
are
low-income
people
that
tend
to
live
in
multi-family
buildings
that
don't
have
a
place
to
have
a
charging
station.
G
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
enable
you
know
them
to
eventually
acquire
an
electric
vehicle,
and
then
we
need
to
consider
the
impact
this
could
have
in
the
infrastructure
that
we
have,
for
example,
in
municipal
buildings.
You
know
we
may
have
to
upgrade
the
electrical
panel
and
we
had
been
thinking
about.
G
How
can
we
electrify
municipal
buildings
I
mean?
Do
we
need
to
do
retrofitting?
Do
we
do
the
replacement
of
thermal
loads?
And
now,
when
we
think
about
charging
infrastructure,
we
may
need
to
replace
some
of
the
panel
electrical
panels
in
some
places,
and
then
we
need
to
think
about
the
impact
that
this
would
have
on
the
distribution
grid.
For
example,
tcat
right
now
that
has
seven
buses
is
having
trouble
with
the
infrastructure
that
they
have
in
the
circuit
that
fits
into
the
ticket
facility.
G
So
whenever
we
we
start
increasing
the
number
of
electric
vehicles,
we're
gonna
see
an
impact
on
on
the
electrical
grid,
and
if
we
don't
do
this
right
in
a
planned
fashion,
in
coordination
with
a
utility
company,
we
may
not
be
able
to
pull
this
off.
We
have
been
talking-
I
mentioned
at
the
beginning,
that
lorian
santamaria
she's
an
intern
she's
helping
us.
G
You
know
this
summer
and
and
she
interviewed
a
ton
of
people
in
the
police
department,
fire
department,
public
works,
and
I
I
gather
some
of
the
comments,
some
of
the
key
findings
from
her
research
and
in
the
case
of
the
police
department.
They
have,
you
know
some
very
specific
requirements,
I
mean
for
them.
It
is
really
important
to
guarantee
operations
and
there
are
some
special
considerations
that
are
unique,
for
example
the
k-9
vehicles
to
them.
But
there
are
some
opportunities.
G
You
know
to
start
with
administrative
vehicles,
perhaps
and
to
explore
different
ways
of
financing
these
vehicles.
In
the
case
of
the
fire
department,
they
need
to
make
a
ton
of
adjustments
to
their
vehicles
and
their
vehicles.
There
may
be
idle
for
most
of
the
time,
but
they
need
to
be
available
not
with
half
charge
the
moment
they
need
it
and
also
they
are.
You
know,
complex
vehicles.
You
know
having,
for
example,
there
is
a
case
of
madison
wisconsin
that
has
an
electric
fire
engine,
but
the
pumps
are
actually
working
with
diesel.
G
It's
very
difficult
to
achieve.
You
know
fully
electrified
infrastructure
for
the
fire
department.
There
are
many
options
and
and
rob
the
deputy
chief
soon
to
be
acting
chief,
the
fire
department.
I
think
he
he
understands
this.
He
actually
has
been
helping
us
understand
better
what
their
needs
are
and
what
the
opportunities
are
with
the
fire
department
in
the
department
of
of
public
works.
It
is
difficult
because
of
the
type
of
vehicles,
the
type
of
you
know,
transportation
options
that
they
have.
G
For
example,
there
was
at
some
point
an
opportunity
to
acquire
a
an
electric
refuse
truck
that,
even
with
all
the
incentives
it
was
slightly
more
expensive
than
it
was
acquiring
a
diesel
vehicle
and,
and
truth
be
told.
There
is
not
enough
history
to
understand
how
these
vehicles
will
behave
during
winter
when
batteries
suffer,
for
example,
because
of
low
temperatures,
but
in
terms
of
you
know,
opportunities
once
again.
You
know
there
is
an
opportunity
to
start
with
administrative
vehicles
and
move
from
there.
G
So
when
we
look
at
these
and
we
we
think
about
zero
emissions
transportation,
we
believe
that
there
is
an
opportunity
to
address
this
at
scale.
I
mean
one
of
the
the
issues
here.
Is
it's
very
difficult
to
jump,
the
line
where
we
want
to
buy
a
new
vehicle,
a
tesla
riven,
a
ford
vehicle?
It
doesn't
matter
which
one
it
is.
G
There
is
a
long
list
waiting
list,
but
if
we
were
to
do
this
at
scale
and
we
were
to
partner
with
the
right
organizations,
we
might
be
able
to
secure
vehicles
in
a
phased
approach
for
the
next
seven
years.
No,
it
doesn't
have
to
happen
tomorrow
and
also
if
we
were
to
do
this
at
scale,
we
might
be
able
also
to
secure
you
know
different
type
of
pricing.
We
may
be
able
to
do
bulk
purchasing
of
some
of
these
vehicles
and
also
for
charging
stations.
G
We
also
believe
that,
because
of
the
need
to
deploy
public
charging
stations,
there
is
an
opportunity
for
revenue
generation
for
for
the
city,
and
maybe
this
revenue
could
be
used
to
pay
for
upgrades
in
the
electrical
panels
in
municipal
buildings.
So
there
is
an
opportunity
that
by
deploying
this,
if
we
manage
to
do
it
in
a
efficient
way,
we
might
be
able
to
pay
for
some
of
the
necessary
upgrades
and
also
there
is
an
opportunity
to
rethink
the
way
we
acquire
vehicles.
G
We
could
start
thinking
about
lowering
the
impact
in
capital
projects,
without
necessarily
increasing,
or
at
least
increasing,
too
much
operational
expenditures.
So
the
recommendation
from
the
from
sustainability
after
having
talked
to
transportation,
engineering,
public
works,
fire
police,
jude,
bureau,
jihac
and
other
organizations
outside
the
city
government.
G
We
believe
that
issuing
an
rfp
for
a
comprehensive
and
integrated
financial
and
technological
solution,
not
too
different
from
what
we
did
for
the
electrification
of
buildings
in
the
city
could
be
useful
to
address
the
needs
to
electrify
the
municipal
fleet
and
to
deploy
a
municipal
and
public
charging
infrastructure.
So
our
recommendation
is
is
to
consider
this.
We
are
gathering
all
the
necessary
requirements
in
collaboration
with
many
people
within
city
hall,
and
our
expectation
would
be
to
have
a
document
ready
for
planning
to
review
and
eventually
for
common
council
to
approve
to
issue
an
rfp.
G
C
Thank
you,
luis,
very,
very
informative,
and
if
you
would
send
to
pedc
members
a
copy
of
your
presentation,
that
would
be
great.
H
Thanks
so
much
luis
I've
got
sort
of
two
quick
questions
for
you.
When
you
were
talking
about
the
trips
and
the
miles
driven,
I
know
you
were
saying
that
it
was
comparable
to
cities
in
our
size
and
other
college
towns.
So
I
guess
how
much
of
that,
if
there
was
any
way
to
check
how
much
of
that
those
trips
slash
miles
per
year,
do
you
think
there's
no
way
we're
lowering
like
students
coming
back
to
school
and
going
back
for
breaks
like
do
you
think,
there's
an
amount
that
we
could
like?
H
Do
you
think,
there's
a
barrier
like
other
schools,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
maybe
things
like
hanover
or
like
other
towns
that
have
heavy
students
coming
in
and
out
of
the
city.
G
Well,
in
in
the
case
of
college
students,
what
we
have
seen
is
that
you
know
a
lot
of
times:
students
live
in
the
city
and
then
go
to
cornell,
for
example,
in
a
part
that
that
is
really
in
the
town
of
itakan
or
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
So,
according
to
our
statistics,
that
that
is
actually
an
outbound
trip
and
and
then
they
come
back
and
they
do
that,
you
know
twice
or
three
times
for
sometimes,
and
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is-
have
a
a
very
efficient
transportation.
G
You
know
transit
system
that
may
combine
with
bike
share
with
car
share
or,
or
you
know,
incentivize
companies
like
uber
or
lyft
to
have
electric
vehicles
to
provide.
You
know
rideshare
services
too,
so
I
I
think
it
is
an
issue
of
efficiency
and
integration
rather
than
electrification.
In
that
case,.
I
And
I'll
say
really
quickly
that
it's
it's
standard
in
higher
ed,
that,
in
terms
of
students
coming
like
at
the
beginning
of
the
semester
and
leaving
at
the
end
of
the
semester,
it's
it's
standard
for
the
colleges
to
account
for
those
emissions
rather
than
the
city
or
the
town
that
they're
in.
H
Gotcha
perfect,
thank
you
so
much
that
clarifies
a
ton
and
the
quick
second
question
I
have
is
louise:
where
can
we
get
some
of
those
shirts.
C
Thank
you
rob.
A
Well,
patrick
got
my
first
question,
so
thanks
for
sending
that
link,
those
are
cool
shirts.
The
the
next
question
really
was
about.
I
mean
those
numbers
were
just
staggering
about
the
the
volume
of
travel
that
we
do
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
I
think
this
is
maybe
for
rebecca
could
be
louise.
Anyone
can
you.
Can
you
simplify
how
you
how
you
actually
can
estimate
that
data
based
on
because
we're
not
you
know,
obviously
tracking
everyone's
mile,
but
I'm
just
curious
how
that
those
numbers
came
together.
I
Specifically
for
transportation,
usually
it's
by
mile
counters
that
are
already
installed
on
the
road,
so
you
can
actually
look
at
a
map
and
see
where,
in
the
city,
these
mile
counters
are-
and
it's
kind
of
it's
hard
to
really
figure
out
like
where
does
one
go
and
then
the
next
one
start.
But
luckily
google
api
makes
that
data
very
readily
available
and
they
that's
where
we
got
this
data
specifically.
G
All
right,
thank
you.
Google
has
a
a
tool
called
environmental
insight,
explorer
that
using
android
phone,
which
is
about
70
of
the
city
in
ita.
They
anonymize
and
track
data,
and
they
make
it
available
for
free
for
municipalities.
G
F
F
You
know
we
created
when
when
we
were
going
through
the
comprehensive
plan,
what
was
called
the
the
draft
planning
influences
report
and
based
on
that
report
in
2009
data,
it
was
estimated
that
there
were
approximately
14,
000
individuals
who
come
from
outside
of
the
city
or
maybe
even
the
county,
to
come
into
the
city
to
work
every
day,
14,
000
or
13
000
and
then
another
8
000
who
live
in
the
city
who
travel
outside
to
go
to
work
every
day.
F
So
I
and
you
know
it
goes
back
to
your
question
then
about
well
what
resources
or
or
what
are
we
actually
targeting
here
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
incorporated
that
in
commuter
and
out
commuter
trips
into
your
calculations
at
all.
G
Yeah
yeah,
we
did
we,
we
separated
the
you
know,
inbound,
outbound
and
in
boundary,
and
then
from
those
you
know,
we
have
a
way
of
determining
how
much
of
those
are
commercial
trucks
like
delivery
trucks,
for
example,
or
those
that
are
just
passing
through
and
and
yeah.
The
numbers
are
once
again,
you
know,
based
on
the
number
of
people
that
move
around
you
get
like
40
percent,
that
move
outbound
and
forty
percent,
that
move
inbound
and
then
just
twenty
percent
that
move
within
the
city.
G
F
Trips
right,
thank
you
so
also
when
you,
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
done
to
look
at
the
unique
needs
of
our
various
departments:
the
fire
department,
the
police
department,
dpw
and
you're.
Talking
about
this
replacement,
you
know
going
to
the
the
easiest
strike
for
us
more
of
a
supportive
administrative
vehicles.
F
I
do
know
that
we
have
integrated
a
a
process
recently
that
when
you
know
before
the
vehicle
has
gotten
too
old,
we
seek
to
replace
it
on
state
contract
where
we
can
get
a
very
good
price,
and
then
we
had
a
a
cycle
for
that,
and
so
I'm
assuming
you're
overlaying
opportunities
on
this
existing
cycle
and
then
presumably
going
through
state
contract
to
try
to
electrify
those
replacements,
thereby
making
sure
that
we're
not
we're
not
prematurely
replacing
vehicles
that
still
have
a
useful
life
life
to
us.
Is
that
correct.
G
Yeah
I
mean
right
now:
we
are
in
the
really
early
stages
of
understanding
how
we
can
do
the
financing
for
this,
because,
just
yesterday
president
biden
signed
the
inflation
reduction
act
and-
and
there
is
a
ton
of
money
that
goes
to
you-
know-
help
municipalities
electrified
municipal
fleets.
So
there
are
some
immediate
opportunities.
There
are
some
that
will
come
like
like
those
from
the
ira
that
will
come
next
year
and
the
state
is
also
you
know,
deploying
new
series
of
incentives.
G
So
right
now,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
everything
and
try
to
contextualize
and
and
consider
the
current
approach
that
we
have
and
then
see
what
opportunities
we
can
take
advantage
of,
and
the
idea
is,
is
to
propose
something
that
will
not
increase
liability
for
the
city
that
will
not
affect
the
rating.
The
credit
rating
for
the
city,
if
possible,
keep
some
of
these
vehicles
off
the
city's
balance
sheet
and
also
try
to
understand
how
this
may
affect
insurance
and
a
number
of
other
things.
G
So
our
expectation
is
that
all
of
these
will
be,
you
know,
gathered
and
processed
by
next
month,
where
my
expectation
is
if,
if
the
mayor
and
lisa
agree
to
come
back
to
planning
with
a
very
concrete
proposal
on
on
what
we
want
to
seek
in
an
rfp,
including
the
different
forms
of
finance
in
this,
this
transition.
F
Thank
you.
You
know
the
other
aspect
to
all
of
this
new
infrastructure
and
new
technology.
That's
coming
in
whether
or
not
in
terms
of
vehicles,
but
also
in
terms
of
the
charging
stations.
There
was
a
very
interesting
article
in
the
new
york
times
talking
about
the
rate
at
which
these
public
charging
stations
are
are
not
functioning
the
the
charging
stations
don't
work
and
the
need
to
have
individuals
who
go
around
and
monitor
to
make
sure
that
they're
functioning
all
the
time.
G
Yeah,
I
I
think
there
is
a
model
that
has
become
more
and
more
popular,
which
is
you
know
third-party.
You
know
own
and
operate
charging
stations
and
in
exchange
for
a
licensing
fee
in
terms
of
public
and
then
for
a
maintenance
fee
in
the
case
of
behind
defense,
municipal
charging
infrastructure.
G
So
you
know,
if
we
were
to
look
into
those,
then
a
third
party
would
be
in
charge
of
doing
that
and
we
wouldn't
have
to
pay
for
maintenance
for
public
charging
stations
just
for
maintenance
for
our
own
municipal
operations,
but
because
it
opens
the
door
for
revenue
generation
like,
for
example,
a
charging
station
may
provide
charge
for
a
number
of
vehicles,
but
if
it
goes
above
average
that
is
imposing
an
extra
demand
on
the
on
the
grid
and
if
a
third
party
is
operating
and
that
third
party
is
making
money
out
of
that,
the
city
could
actually
share
some
of
that
revenue
to
address
the
the
negative
impact
that
it
may
have
on
the
electrical
grid.
G
So
all
of
these
models
are
evolving
and
some
of
them
are
actual
suggestions
by
the
international
energy
agency
and
by
the
department
of
energy.
So
we
are
looking
at
all
of
those
and
our
hope
is
to
identify
something
that
will
be
optimal
for
the
city,
given
the
very
specific
needs
that
we
have
in
every
department.
C
G
Right
now
there
is
convergence
in
the
industry,
so
we
have
what
is
j
compliance
standardized
charging
interfaces
for
electric
vehicles?
What
varies
is
the
the
power
you
know
the
voltage
and
the
amperage
that
you
get
from
a
charging
stations,
for
example
a
a
brand
new
tesla.
Could
you
know
charge
using
a
fast
charger
and
whereas
a
you
know,
a
first
generation
nissan
leaf,
for
example,
would
need
a
slower
charger.
You
know
what
is
a
level
two.
G
These
things
are
evolving
in
terms
of
you
know
how
fast
they
can
charge
the
problem
with.
That
is,
if
you
have
an
old
battery
and
you
have
a
really
fast
charger,
it
could.
Actually,
you
know,
damage
your
battery,
so
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
because
we
cannot
deploy
infrastructure
just
for
tesla
owners.
G
We
need
to
deploy
infrastructure
for
those
who
will
acquire
a
second-hand
electric
vehicle
that
very
likely
will
overlap
with
low-income
individuals.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
deploying
those
and
then
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
how
technology
is
evolving
right
now
there
are
already
at
cornell.
There
are
two
different
research
groups
that
got
money
from
the
federal
government
to
test
out
wireless
charging
stations
for
heavy-duty
vehicles.
G
So
there
is
a
chance
that,
for
example,
for
ticket
at
some
point
you
know
they
will
just
have
to
park
and
then
it
will
be,
you
know,
buried
invisible
to
us.
You
know
charging
infrastructure
and
through
induction
they
will
charge
the
batteries.
So
there
is
a
chance
that
at
some
point
we'll
have
every
bus
stop
charging.
You
know
bosses,
for
example,
and
that
would
also
there
is
mobile
charging
techno
technology
mobile
technology.
G
I
don't
know
how
you
say
that
you
know
that
goes
from
place
place
with
you,
because
you
have,
for
example,
in
the
case
of
public
works,
you
will
have
if
everything
is
selected.
You'll
have
electric
vehicles
that
actually
have
to
be
on
site
for
five
days
or
a
week
or
a
month,
so
you
need
to
have
a
way
of
charging
those
vehicles.
G
So
there
is
that
technology
is
also
available
and-
and
I
think
what
everybody
wants
is-
is
the
dynamic
wireless
charging
which
basically
allows
you
to
charge
while
in
movement-
and
I
believe,
that's
the
direction
charging
technology
is
going.
All
of
this
is
going
to
evolve,
also
in
terms
of
how
much
voltage
how
much
power
in
general
is
needed.
G
So
I
think
the
next
I
I
wouldn't
think
it's
it's
too
long.
I
would
say
within
the
next
five
years,
we're
gonna
see
real
progress
in
that.
So
I
I
think
to
your
point
mayor.
I
I
don't
think
we
should
go
crazy,
deploying
charging
infrastructure.
We
we
have
to
do
it
being
mindful
that
the
technology
continues
to
evolve
and
becoming
more.
You
know
less
expensive.
C
Yes,
thank
you.
The
technology
is
certainly
evolving
quickly,
so
we
don't
want
to
be
tied
to
something
that
is
in
the
future.
Obsolete.
G
Yeah,
thank
you
and,
and
part
of
the
reason
why
we
are
suggesting
a
third
party
to
own
and
manage
and
operate
is
because,
if
we
enter
into
a
contract
we
need
to
enter
into
like
five
year
periods
before
we
can
replace
and
in.
In
the
other
scenario
we
can
replace
every
year.
So
that's
why
we're
looking
for
options
for
the
city.
C
C
Okay,
and
now
I
am
sorry
to
do
this,
but
I
do
have
to
go
back
to
the
special
order
of
business
public
hearing.
We
did
have
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing.
However,
I
neglected
to
ask
for
a
vote
on
either
opening
or
closing
the
public
hearing.
So
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
have
this
accurate
in
the
record.
C
I
know
that
patrick
opened
the
public
move
to
open
cynthia
seconded
the
public
hearing.
May
I
please
ask
for
a
vote
from
committee
members
to
first
open
the
public
hearing,
and
that
is
unanimous
with
five
votes
there
were
no
members
of
the
public
wanting
to
address
this
public
hearing,
so
patrick
then
moved
to
close
the
public
hearing
rob
seconded
that.
So
let's
take
that
formal
vote
on
closing
the
public
hearing.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
sorry
to
take
up
the
time
on
doing
that.
F
Laura
did
you
also
want
to
make
any
additions
or
deletions
to
the
agenda.
C
I
did
make
a
change
to
the
agenda.
C
Forgot:
yes,
okay,
my
bad!
That's!
Okay!
We're
in
this
together
team!
No,
I
did
announce
at
the
outset
that
we
would
be
pulling
5a
cca
local
law,
as
we
gather
additional
information,
so
that
will
come
back
to
the
committee
next
month.
C
C
What
was
very
clear
in
our
last
meeting
is
that
we
have
heard
from
the
public
from
residents
from
businesses
from
service
providers,
and
there
is
a
clear
need
for
action
on
addressing
the
homeless
encampments
in
the
city.
It
is
a
challenge
for
our
whole
commit
community,
and
in
addressing
this
challenge
it
will
be
important
for
city
and
county
partners
to
work
together.
C
You'll
note
in
the
plan
in
front
of
you-
and
I
think
this
is
it
is
my
hope
that
it
is
very
helpful
to
have
some
actual
dates-
deadlines
benchmarks
we
have
talked
about
concerns
around
homelessness
and
city
and
encampments
on
city
property.
We
have
talked
about
this
for
actually
for
years,
without
being
able
to
move
forward
with
recommendations
and
ways
to
address
this.
C
There
has
been,
as
I
believe
everyone
here
knows-
tacit
acceptance
of
encampments
on
city
property.
What
we
need
is
an
approach
that
is
not
a
solution,
but
we
need
a
policy.
We
need
to
develop
policy
and
then
follow
through
on
that
policy,
and
we
need
to
work
with
agencies
like
human
services
coalition,
tompkins
county
action,
those
who
are
experts
and
who
have
expertise
so
as
we
focus
on
both
short-term
goals
and
longer-range
goals.
C
What
I
will
be
doing
is
appointing
a
working
group
of
common
council
to
work
in
tandem
with
staff,
to
move
forward
on
the
action
steps
that
you
see
in
this
proposal
very
sensitive
to
the
timing
and
as
weather
warms,
we
have
seen
every
year,
encampments
grow
outdoor
encampments
grow
when
the
cold
weather
policy
and
the
emergency
shelter
policy,
the
code
blue
policy
is
enacted.
C
There
is
a
reduction
in
encampments,
so
there
is
urgency
to
address
this
and,
at
the
same
time,
I
believe
it's
important
to
be
deliberative,
realistic
and
to
build
a
system
policy.
First
and
a
response,
a
system
that
we
can
truly
sustain
and
that
will
take
partnering
with
the
county
and
with
other
agencies
you'll
see
in
this
work
plan.
C
So
this
is
a
report.
It
is
not
a
discussion
item
tonight,
as
I
say,
there's
more
information
we
need
to
gather-
and
I
will
be
appointing
a
working
group
to
work
on
this
with
a
very
specific
deadline
of
developing
our
next
action
steps
and
we
have
to
be
doing
two
things.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
to
be,
as
I
say,
looking
at
short-term,
immediate
action
steps
while
also
developing
longer
term
responses
to
this
challenging
situation
that
has
plagued
our
community
and
all
communities
across
the
country.
C
C
F
So,
thank
you
mayor.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
provide
input
at
all,
or
I
see
that
this
is
not
a
discussion
item.
C
C
Certainly
if
you
want
to
provide
input
or
ask
questions,
please
go
right
ahead.
Thank
you.
F
The
way
it
is
currently
laid
out
if
we
pursue
the
approach
of
a
policy
first
and
then
pursuing
a
structure
encampment
site
later,
I
think
we
miss
a
real
window
of
opportunity
to
do
something
expeditiously
and
if
we
miss
that
opportunity
and
end
up
looking
at
spring
of
2024,
we
are
looking
at
another
year
a
year
and
a
half
of
people
living
in
incredibly
stressful
situations
pursuing
enduring
two
years
of
winter
conditions.
F
C
Well,
I,
as
I
say
there
are
a
number
of
questions
that
have
to
be
addressed
before
we
can
move
to
creating
a
sanctioned
encampment
for
spring
2023.
C
C
Everything
that
you
see
included
in
this
work
plan
site
identification
city
in
kind
services.
We
need
input
from
city
attorney
and
we
need
a
funding
model
that
has
to
be
developed
in
collaboration
with
the
county.
That
will
take
time
and
what
I'm
committed
to
is
taking
action
steps
and
not
continuing
the
tacit
acceptance.
C
However,
we
have
to
be
clear
about
the
approach
and
a
process
that
is
is
necessary.
F
I
I
appreciate
that
I
mean
there
are:
there
are
county
funding
opportunities
that
are
being
made
available
that
are
perfectly
suited
both
to
support
municipalities
and
whoever
this
contractor
could
be
in
terms
of
managing
a
possible
sanction,
encampment
site.
I
am
deeply
concerned
and
I
appreciate
the
the
concept
of
hiring
a
homeless
outreach
coordinator.
F
Presumably
this
would
be
an
additional
position
to
the
shared
outreach
coordinators
that
that
we
fund,
along
with
the
county
and
downtown
businesses,
but
a
lot
of
the
housing
options
that
are
available,
that
the
coordinator
will
be
able
to
steer
them
towards
are
mainly
funded
for
individuals
who
have
access
to
dss
funding.
F
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
I
will
just
point
out
that
you
mentioned
that
city
county
rather
funding
opportunities
are
available.
Those
are
not
county
funding
opportunities
for
sanctioned
encampment.
Those
are
county
funding
opportunities
for
a
number
of
non-profits
and
services.
C
There
is
not
dedicated
county
funding,
so
I
I
just
want
to
state
that
that
fact,
let
me
call
on
phoebe.
K
Oh
hi,
everyone
good
evening,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
our
timing,
but
I'm
also
new.
So
I
I
I
hear
you
and
I
hear
cynthia
and
I
know
we
want
to
do
it
in
a
way
in
which
it's
not
just
rushed
it's,
but
if
y'all
been
talking
about
it
for
three
years,
that
kind
of
says
to
me
wow
what
have
you
all
been
talking
about?
So
what
what
my
concern
is?
We
have
some.
K
So
I
think
one
of
the
speakers,
teresa
all
talked
a
little
about
the
the
houses
out
in
newfield
right.
So
I'm
I'm
thinking
are
we
thinking
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
immediate
to
eliminate
some
of
the
angst,
that's
happening
in
our
community
and
concerns
right.
K
So
I
I'm
just
thinking
like
and
I
don't
know
I'm
not
because
I
agree
with
you.
We
need
something
that
is
going
to
be
lasting
and
also
immediate.
But
if
we've
been
talking
for
three
years,
what
I
don't
want
to
talk
in
another
three
years
and
not
see
some
progress
here
right.
You
know
so
we
kind
of
know
what's
going
on
and
we
have
some
things
that
are
working
when
I
hear
about.
I
can't
think
of
his
name
right
now,
but
the
house
is
out
in
a
new
field.
K
K
Are
we
talking
about
how?
How
long
is
that
gonna
take
right
for
this
new
housing
coordinator?
That
should
have
happened
three
years
ago
but
anyway,
so
so
those
are.
Those
are
just
questions
and
and
some
of
insight
that
I
need
you
know.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
phoebe
and
I
I
will
say
that
discussions
around
homelessness
have
been
held.
Discussions
have
been
held
for
more
than
three
years.
C
It
is
unfortunate
that
we
have
not
moved
to
a
stage
such
as
I
believe
we
are
at
now
where
we
are
discussing
and
taking
real
actions,
and
I
I
agree
that
there
is
concern
with
timing.
I
agree
with
cynthia.
I
agree
with
you
on
this.
I
also
want
us
to
develop
a
policy
and
a
program
going
forward
that
will
be
successful,
and
this
is
going
to
require
partnerships.
We
need
more
emergency
shelter,
we
need
to
partner
with
the
continuum
of
care.
C
We
need
to
partner
with
other
non-profits
in
our
community
who
have
expertise
and
we
need
more
housing.
I
think
cynthia
said
at
our
last
meeting.
The
solution
is,
we
need
more
housing
and
I
think
we
can
all
agree
on
that.
We
need
more
emergency
shelter,
we
need
more
single
bedroom
and
single
room
occupancy
units
and
some
of
those
are
in
the
pipeline.
But
that
takes
time
and
we.
H
C
A
A
Yeah,
yes,
thanks
laura,
so
yes,
I'm
gonna
join
and
agree
with
everyone.
That
timing
is
crucial.
Obviously
I
guess-
and
I
and
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
applaud
the
the
goal
of
the
actions
and
specifically
noting
deadlines
for
those
actions
which
I
think
is
really
important.
So
my
question,
I
guess,
or
my
input
is-
is
really
around
the
you
know
in
the
opportunity
to
reserve
the
the
window
that
we're
we've
been
talking
about
in
2023.
A
Somehow
help
me
understand
how
any
of
those
actions
and
deadlines
will
ensure
that
we,
because,
if
we're
going
to
put
any
funding
towards
this,
it
looks
like
we
won't
have
well,
I
guess
we're
planning
to
put
some
contingency
funding
aside,
but
what
will
help
us
help
guide
us
to
what
that
money
should
be.
As
we
approach
budget
season.
C
Yeah
good
question
good
question,
and
that
is
why
I
will
be
appointing
a
working
group
to
develop
this
with
these
time
frames
in
mind.
When
you
ask
you
know
what
money
will
be
set
aside,
that
is
presuming,
for
example,
a
sanctioned
encampment,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
are
there.
Yet
there
is
the
need
to
understand
what
criteria
and
what
advantages
there
are
to
a
request
for
expressions
of
interest
and
a
request
for
proposals.
C
C
A
Yeah,
it
helps,
as
you
know,
well
from
having
gone
through
this
before
budgets
or
budgets
are
difficult
to
put
together
because
there's,
you
know
often
the
challenge
of
not
having
enough
funds
for
the
things
that
we
want
to
fund,
but
then
not
knowing
how
much
something's
going
to
cost
but
yet
committing
to
putting
something
aside,
makes
it
even
more
challenging
so
so
yeah.
The
timing
is
going
to
be
very
important
there
and
I.
A
C
You
know
this
is
not
a
one-year
commitment
in
addressing
this
very
challenging
set
of
circumstances
that
we've
not
been
able
to
address
for
for
years.
I
mean
phoebe
was
kind
in
saying
three
years,
but
it
has
really
been
more
than
that
that
this.
A
Understood,
I
think
cynthia's
point
is
well
taken,
which
is
we
want
to
do
our
best
to
try
to
marshal
our
resources
to
have
the
opportunity
to
address
this
window
in
2023.
If
we
can
understood
that,
it's
a
that's
a
big
hurdle,
but
if
we
can,
we
should
be
prepared
for
that
as
best
as
possible.
F
I
did
thank
you.
I
was
reminded
of
thank
you
phoebe
for
reminding
us
of
teresa's
questions
with
regards
to
second
win
cottages.
There
are
19
cottages
in
newfield.
There
is
zoning,
they
do
have
to
meet
building
code
in
newfield.
These
are
standalone
cottages
with
bathrooms
and
kitchens,
and
they
were
built
as
three
units
a
year.
F
F
So,
with
regards
to
teresa's
question
regarding
zoning,
the
the
proposal
that
our
team
has
put
together
and
nells-
I
see
is
here
who
could
provide
some
information
you
know-
was
based
on
encampment
sanctioned
encampment
models
that
are
occurring
in
other
municipalities
across
the
region,
and
we
also
in
our
team,
had
chris
teitelbaum
of
the
st
john
community
center
as
well
as
promenguidi,
and
they
did.
F
Last
month
we
brought
forward
a
concept
budget
of
what
a
what
it
would
cost
to
run
a
sanction
encampment
site,
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
there's
a
real
possibility
to
do
is
if
and
and
as
you
know,
we
made-
our
team
made
a
presentation
to
the
thompson,
county,
health
and
human
services
committee
on
monday
to
recognize
and
and
ask
for
their
partnership
and
support
with
the
city
in
bringing
and
elevating
this.
This
conversation
further,
but
one
of
the
models
that
that
we
have
recognized
is
if
there
is
partnership
among
municipalities.
F
We've
seen
this
with
the
lead
program,
for
example
where
the
city
and
the
county
commits
to
a
certain
amount
of
funding
to
operate
a
program
you
know,
ask
for,
for
operators
come
forward
and
manage
it,
and
that
operator
can
then
go
out
and
seek
grants
and
and
be
able
to
solicit
those
grants
demonstrating
that
they
have
municipal
support
the
lead
program,
for
example
the
city
and
the
county,
committed
to
funding
the
lead
program,
and
then
what
the
lead
program
did
was.
F
They
went
out,
got
a
grant
for
three
years
that
paid
for
their
staffing
for
three
years
in
city.
County
did
not
have
to
actually
pay
for
that.
First,
three
years
of
staffing
that
opportunity
allowed
them
to
demonstrate
up
on
their
feet
demonstrate
their
success
before
being
something
that
would
be
supported
by
the
municipalities.
I
think
this
is
a
similar
situation
again.
There's
there's
e-wrap
funding.
F
There's
a
lot
of
funding
out
there
to
support
what
are
you
know,
consequences
of
the
the
covid
pandemic
and
so
on
to
help
with
homelessness
to
help
with
human
services.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
to
capture
some
of
that
funding
right
now.
If
we
are
able
to
move
this
forward
just
quickly,
I
see
your
face
mayor
teresa's
to
teresa's
question.
This
is
a
campsite,
so
it
would
not
actually
be
considered
housing
if
it
were
to
be
done
this
way.
F
If
it
were
indeed
designated
as
a
municipal
operation,
it
would
allow
the
city
to
move
forward
with
putting
this
campsite
together
in
a
way
that
that
meets
all
state
and
local
regulations.
Thank.
C
You
thank
you
I
I
do
you
see
that
nels
is
here
nils.
I
wonder
if
you
wanted
to
add
to
this
was
intended
to
be
a
presentation,
not
a
discussion.
L
And
it's
and
it's
an
as
usual,
it's
an
interesting
discussion
as
well,
and
now
I
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
you
know
directly
to
add
to
this.
I
think
you're,
getting
at
the
main
points
they
may.
I
think
what
you've
been
enumerated.
Mary
is
that
you're
trying
to
move
with
a
policy
first
direction
and
then
have
a
durable,
enforceable
policy
that
addresses
the
issues
and
looking
for
solutions
where
as
many
solutions
as
we
can
find
because,
as
I've
mentioned,
expanding
the
supply
of
permanent
supportive
housing
and
transitional
housing.
L
Sros
is
just
as
important
as
addressing
encampment
issues
directly
they
for
a
longer
term
solution.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
I
think
we
all
have
the
common
goals
really
and
it's
the
framework
to
put
it
together.
That's
gonna
be
important
in
making
sure
we
have
the
right
players
at
the
table,
so
I
think
that's
there's
a
lot
of
positive
opportunities
here.
One
thing
to
note
is,
as
cynthia
mentioned,
is
that
the
encampment
proposal
is
not
considered
housing.
L
Most
federal
and
state
programs
limit
their
support
to
housing
projects
so
and
and
secondly,
cottages
all
they
would,
although
they
would
qualify
as
housing
units
because
they
have
kitchen
bathroom
facilities
built
in
within
the
unit.
I
don't
believe
there
was
very
much
federal
or
state
funding
with
that
project.
That
was
primarily
volunteer,
labor
and
donations
for
that
first
for
second
one
cottages,
so
that
that
is
a
can
be
a
durable
model,
but
it
can
be
challenging
as
well.
C
Okay,
once
again,
five
point
a
was
pulled
from
the
agenda,
so
5b
now
becomes
5a
drinking
water
source
protection
report
and
plan
and
I'll
just
remind
committee
members.
This
is
an
item,
a
voting
item
and
this
is
an
item
for
voting
to
circulate
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
roxy.
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
and
thank
you
for
this
very
thorough
memo
and
report.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
for
having
this
on
the
agenda
again
this
month.
I
I
it
is
long.
I
apologize
since
last
month
the
plan
has
been
finalized.
J
J
Another
component
about
this
plan-
that's
that's
new
and
improved-
is
that
it
guides
us
to
funding
sources
for
the
recommended
implementation
strategies.
And
if
the
plan
is
approved
by
the
water
purveyor
or
system
owner,
then
it
becomes
a
recognized
plan
by
the
state
well,
which
will
actually
improve
our
likelihood
of
getting
grant
funding.
J
You
get
more
points
for
those
plans
and
another
way
that
this
plan
looks
to
help
offset
costs.
Is
by
building
in
those
partnerships,
when
you
develop
a
plan
that
you
want
to
move
forward,
it's
likely
to
be
a
stronger
plan.
It's
likely
to
meet
broader
objectives
than
just
for
the
drinking
water
plant,
and
so
you'll
have
partners
who
will
carry
some
of
the
cost
or
can
share
staff
or
equipment
resources
with
you.
So
with
that
highlight
reel
tonight,
I
am
asking
that
the
plan
be
approved
for
circulation
and
comments.
J
C
Thanks
roxy
one
of
the
questions,
I
wondered
if
you
could
say
a
little
bit
more.
It's
it's
in
the
plan
and
the
plan
is,
is
very
thorough.
Can
you
say
something
about
the
watershed
coordinator
position,
yeah.
J
That
person's
role
would
be
so
so
I'm
called
that
right
now
for
the
city
of
ithaca,
but
but
I'm
I'm
half,
I
guess
half
the
lab
director
for
the
water
treatment
plant
and
most
of
what
I
do
as
watershed
coordinating
is
interface
with
groups
outside
of
the
city
to
just
share
thoughts
about
water
quality
and
drinking
water
impacts,
and
how
we
can
work
together
to
keep
water
quality
high
in
the
area
and
there's
a
recognition
that,
like
I
led
the
charge
on
this
on
developing
this
plan
for
the
city,
there's
a
recognition
that
someone
will
need
to
kind
of
be
that
lead.
J
Coordinator
of
the
plan
management
team,
the
engineers
that
participated
have
other
primary
job
functions,
and
so
this
title
seems
like
a
good
one
to
sort
of
memorialize
or
make
permanent
to
recognize
the
need
to
shepherd
this
kind
of
work
forward.
J
So
all
the
work
that
I
do
now
would
also
would
be
added
projects
and
moving
those
forward,
so
that
would
probably
be
hard
to
accomplish
as
a
half
sort
of
half
job
component.
So
that's
why
they
recommended
having
that
title
be
considered
in
the
future
for
shepherding
this
work,
and
this
plan
forward.
H
Thank
you
for
the
I
I've
read
through
it
before,
but
just
you
saying
one
thing
out
loud
earlier,
just
stick
out
to
me.
Is
this
really
the
first
fully
done
since
1936.
J
Well,
it's
the
first
of
its
kind.
Ever
frankly,
the
watershed
rules
and
regulations
are
their
rules
and
their
regulations.
So
they're
there
thou
shalt
not
have
you
know
a
carcass
right
next
to
the
strain.
That's
one
of
the
rules
or
privy
and
the
water
authority
was
required
to
have
an
inspector
check
periodically
and
provide
a
report
to
the
local
and
state
health
departments.
J
So
even
that
plan
didn't
include
management
or
protection
of
the
source
as
far
as
like
thinking
ahead
for
development
pressures
or
other
things
like
that
so
and
and
it
was,
it
was
driven
directly
out
of
the
water
treatment
facility.
They
had
all
the
authority
over
everybody
else
in
the
in
the
watershed.
J
B
F
Thanks,
yeah,
I
think
roxy
is
is,
is
definitely
articulating.
We,
we
are
the
first
in
the
region.
I
believe
that
is
this
far
along
with
the
drinking
water
source
protection
program.
Is
that
correct
roxy,
at
least
in
our
watershed.
J
We're
running
neck
and
neck
with
auburn,
oh
okay,.
F
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
this
is.
This-
is
really
exciting
to
see
us
bringing
this
together.
F
It
is
not
only
in
the
best
interest
of
obviously
our
drinking
water
supply,
which
is
near
the
deer
near
and
dear
to
all
of
our
hearts,
but
really
does
a
fantastic
job
in
as
roxy
sell,
building
those
relationships
with
neighboring
municipalities
and
implementing
best
practices
and
having
oversight
over
what's
going
on
in
the
watershed,
when
we
think
about
the
rain
events
that
are
becoming
more
frequent
and
and
more
intense
by
having
these
relationships,
these
collaborations
making
sure
that
we're
working
together
to
reduce
stormwater
runoff,
reduce
erosion,
contain
contamination
working
together
to
to
monitor
what
is
going
on.
F
In
our
watershed,
it
really
does
protect
the
city
as
well
as
the
environment,
as
well
as
our
our
drinking
water.
So
seeing
this
come
forward
is
really
very
exciting.
It's
a
fantastic
good
first
step.
I'm
grateful
for
roxy's
leadership
on
this
and
and
really
showing
the
way
forward
for
for
all
of
the
water
purveyors
in
the
city
in
our
area.
C
C
That's
unanimous!
Thank
you
and
roxy.
Thanks
for
all
the
tremendous
work
in
pulling
together,
I
shouldn't
say:
pulling
together
all
the
energy
and
time
and
effort
that
has
gone
into
this
report.
It
is
really
very
impressive
and
we'll
look
forward
to
this
moving
forward
for
for
other
comments,.
C
So
we
now
have
there
was
a
public
hearing
and
eventually
there
was
a
vote
on
the
public
hearing
regarding
the
east
hill
fire
station
urban
renewal.
You
see
in
the
packet
additional
information
and
the
actions
that
have
been
taken
by
the
iura
and
there
is
a
resolution
to
move
this
forward
to
council.
C
I
don't
want
to
read
the
whole
resolution,
but
I'll
turn
it
over
to
nells,
because
your
memos,
your
cover
memo
and
the
work
you've
done
on
this
is
very
beneficial,
as
we
consider
tonight's
resolution,
so
nels
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
L
Thank
you
mayor
for
those
following
on
the
pdf,
it's
page
154,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
a
little
ahead
on
this
one.
So
in
your
packet
there
was
at
the
very
front.
There
was
the
legal
notice
of
the
essential
terms
of
the
proposed
disposition.
L
Also
in
the
packet
is
a
cover
memo
and
a
memo
that
was
delivered
to
the
economic
development
committee
of
the
ira.
Looking
at
the
two
proposals
that
came
forward
from
the
city's
request
for
expressions
of
interest
and
analyzing
and
looking
at
the
pros
and
cons
those
two
proposals
to
cut
to
the
conclusion.
The
ira
included
that
working
with
311ca
associates
was
a
better
approach
to
go
forward
with
this
for
the
city
and
in
negotiations,
and
then
the
negotiations
resulted
in
even
further
benefits
for
the
city
when
those
were
concluded.
L
So
the
the
short
answer
is
that
the
city,
the
ira,
is
recommending
a
disposition
agreement
framed
among
that
original
option
agreement,
which
is
a
sale
of
309
college
avenue
for
5.1
million
dollars,
plus
transfer
at
no
additional
cost.
The
two
parcels
at
the
corner
of
dryden
road
and.
L
The
elmwood
for
for
for
construction
of
a
fire,
a
new
fire
station,
the
agency
did
recommend
that
there
be
an
addition,
in
addition
to
the
terms
that
are
included
in
that
option.
Agreement,
but
there'd
also
be
a
required
payment
in
lieu
agreement
between
the
urban
renewal
agency
and
the
developer
to
address
the
issue
of.
L
If
the
property
were
to
become
tax
exempt,
it
would
require
the
the
property
owner
to
pay
the
taxes
that
would
have
been
owed
on
the
property
to
the
tax
and
jurisdictions,
and
that's
a
a
document
that
will
will
be
incorporated
into
the
agreement
and
then
finally
a
requirement
that
the
segmented
environmental
review
get
completed
by
the
planning
board
during
the
review
of
the
fire
station
construction
project.
Other.
D
L
That
it's
it's,
the
disposition
agreement
is
relatively
straightforward
because
you've
looked
at
the
terms
of
the
option
agreement
before,
which
was
the
city
had
the
option
to
exercise
the
agreement,
but
not
the
obligation
to
do
it
and
upon
the
ira
making
a
recommendation
for
a
disposition
agreement.
So
it's.
D
L
In
the
common
council's
hands,
the
agency
is
recommending
going
forward
with
that
disposition.
The
agent
the
council
can
approve,
modify
or
disapprove
that
ira
proposed
dispositioning
agreement.
I
too
would
not
like
to
read
the
full
resolution.
It
takes
you
through
the
history,
though,
of
the
activities,
so
it
reminds
everybody
who's
written
it.
The
steps
that
were
in
place
to
get
to
this
point
in
time.
C
Sorry
I
keep
muting
myself
because
there's
construction
noise
right
outside
it
is
extremely
helpful
nils
to
have
this
historical
reference
and
the
work
that
has
been
done
on
this.
So
thank
you
for
providing
that
and
thank
you
to
the
iura
for
its
action.
So
I'll
just
read
the
resolved,
I'm
sorry!
Patrick!
Did
you
have
a
question.
H
C
Okay
resolved
at
the
common
council
hereby
approves
the
iura
proposed
dda
between
the
iura
and
311
ca
associates
llc
for
the
east
hill
urban
renewal
project,
including
the
sale
of
309
college
ave.
We
had
further
property
to
acquired
by
the
iura
at
403,
el
modav
and
408
dryden
road
shall
be
conveyed
to
the
city
at
no
cost
for
construction
for
construction
of
a
fire
station,
be
it
further
resolved
at
the
pro
net
proceeds
from
iura
sale.
A
real
property
shall
be
paid
to
the
city,
and
I
moved
that
and
it
looked
like
patrick
ii.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
nels
for
the
the
outline
and
the
summary,
and
I
specifically
appreciate
you,
including
the
articulation
that,
with
regards
to
property
tax
revenues
following
the
transfer,
can
you
specify
at
what
value
that
that
would
be
placed
on
the
property?
L
I
I
can't
tell
you
what
the
assessed
value
is
going
to
be,
but
it
would.
But
the
way
the
agreement
is
structure
is
whatever
the
assessed
value
is,
would
be
the
payment
required
if
it
were
to
go
tax
exempt.
So
it
would
be
treated
as
if
it
was
a
taxable
property
in
the
future
for
the
next
20
years
after
the
conveyance
of
the
property.
L
So
we're
expecting
that
we're
expecting
that
the
property
would
be
developed
to
the
full
zoning
envelope,
and
that
would
suggest
that
the
revenues
to
the
city,
not
including
the
school
in
the
county,
would
be
about
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
from
that
full
development
of
that
parcel.
F
Okay,
so
I
just
want
to
be
clear
so
the
way
it
is
read
number
three:
in
the
event
property
at
309
college
ave
becomes
tax
exempt
by
any
means
other
than
a
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
approved
by
tcida
property
owners
shall
be
required
to
make
payments
equal
to
the
property
taxes
that
would
have
been
due.
This
requirement
shall
be
enforced
through
a
20-year
sponsor
iur
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes,
agreement
that
commences
upon
the
date
of
transfer
of
the
309
college
avenue
property.
F
So
that
leads
me
to
believe
that
it
would
be
valued
on
the
5.1
million,
which
is
the
transfer
not
on
the
post
development
value
of
the
property,
and
I
came
up
with
the
8.8
million
because
I
believe
that
was
in
the
memo
of
the
comparable
value
when
you
were
using
it
for
tax
revenue
purposes.
You
came
up
with
a
8.8
million,
and
so
is
it
going
to
be
based
on
the
5.1
or
a
post
development
value.
L
The
intent
is
that
that
obligation
to
pay
property
taxes,
you
know
we're
expecting
that
the
project
will
stay
privately
owned
and
taxable,
but
in
the
event
it
were
to
be
transferred
to
an
owner
who
qualifies
as
a
tax
exempt
property
owner.
Then
the
requirement
would
require
that
property
owner
to
pay
the
taxes
due
on
that
property,
as
if
it
were
taxable.
So
it's
not
establishing
the
valuation.
F
L
Not
establishing
the
valuation
at
any
particular
level
and
assessments
are
difficult
to
predict
because
the
cost
of
construction
it
does
not
necessarily
equal
the
asset.
You
know
the
assessed
value
in
many
cases,
so
it
is
hard
to
predict
the
number
they
do
use
for
a
market
valuation
oftentimes
in
incorporating
that-
and
we
know
that
transfers
of
pro
of
the
property
in
this
part
of
the
city
have
gone
for
the
range
of
eight
hundred
dollars,
a
square
foot
so
that
you
know
without
you
know.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
am
concerned.
I
know
the
public
has
raised
a
lot
of
concern
that
that
this
transfer
will
happen
and
then
it
would
immediately
become
tax
exempt
and-
and
I
am
concerned
that
if
there
was
a
pilot
established
that
it
would
be
established
on
what
I
would
consider
to
be
an
artificially
low
number,
but
I'm
hearing
that
it
really
comes
down
to
the
timing
and
presumably
that
would
happen
post
transfer,
presumably
after
a
time
that
the
property
was
already
developed
and
assessed
at
a
higher
rate.
L
Right,
the
assessor
puts
evaluation
on
the
property,
whether
it's
taxable
or
tax
exempt,
so
that
would
be
the
base.
Valuation
would
be
whatever
the
assessor
values
that
property
is
before.
You
know
in
the
first
year,
while
it's
under
construction,
it's
going
to
be
lower
than
after
construction
is
completed
so
in
year.
Three
or
four
is
this:
I
would
expect
a
significantly
higher
assessed
value
year.
One
of
the
transfer.
F
C
Thank
you
thanks
nice,
I
wasn't
sure
who
had
the
hand
up
first
patrick
or
rob.
A
Yeah
it
was,
it
was
me,
thank
you.
So
thanks
nels,
that's
that
clarity,
that
clarification
helps
a
lot.
I
do.
It
did
spark
another
question
for
me,
though
it
looks
like
am
I
right
in
reading
this
that
the
this
requirement
that
we're
talking
about
is
only
in
place
for
the
20
next
20
years?
L
20
years
from
the
time
of
transfer
the
property,
so
if
you
remember
the
terms
of
the
agreement,
the
city
gets
to
acquire
properties
to
construct
the
fire
station
on
almost
immediately
and
the
developer
doesn't
get
the
city
fire
station
until
the
fire
station
is
completed,
18
months
from
now
or
15
to
18
months
from
now.
So
when
that
occurs
would
be
the
trigger
point
for
starting
the
payment
in
lieu
agreement.
B
H
Yeah,
it
sounds
like
we
resolved
it,
but
I
was
just
gonna
suggest
if,
with
cynthia's
concern
of
saying
that,
when
is
that
date
set
you
if
we
would
to
add
just
like
each
year
as
determined
by
the
assessor
after
bindu-
and
I
don't
know
if
that
messes
with
any
of
the
legal
parts
of
it.
But
that
to
me
clarifies
it
says
you
pay
what
you
have
to
each
year,
not
just
when
we
set
a
number.
J
L
Have
a
draft
pilot
agreement,
that's
being
reviewed
by
the
city
attorney
and
the
ira
attorney?
We
can
bring
that
point
up
to
try
to
clarify
that
point,
but
it's
it's
I'd
like
to
get
the
advice
of
of
attorneys
on
how
to
structure.
H
F
Yeah
I
I
just
want
to
clarify,
I
think,
what
I'm
understanding
or
what
I
misunderstood.
When
I
first
asked
the
question
is
and-
and
perhaps
it's
is
teresa-
put
the
bug
in
my
head-
I
was
thinking
of
the
ctap
programs,
where
you
had
like
a
set
value
for
seven
or
12
years.
I,
and
then
thank
you
nels
for
reminding
me
that
no,
it
would
be
based
on
the
the
assessed
value
as
determined
by
the
tompkins
counting
assessment
department
every
year
and
that
that
pilot
would
be
based
on
that.
F
So
I
think
I'm
understanding
it
where
I
had
misunderstood
it
previously.
I
was
thinking
of
of
the
ctap
model,
but
that's
not
what
is
being
done
here.
This
is
a
different
model.
That's.
F
Right
just
for
some
reason,
I
had
that
table
stuck
in
my
mind,
probably
carry
over
from
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
So
thank
you.
L
It's
an
incentive
for
that
this,
a
program
through
the
industrial
development
agency
to
encourage
community
supported
projects
intensifying
the
dow,
the
greater
downtown
area.
It's
only.
L
For
multi-story
buildings
of
three
stories
are
taller
and
they
have
to
be
valued
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
us
or
five
million
dollars
of
assessed
value.
I
think,
and
and
in
return
for
some
some
incentives
that
include
partial,
temporary
abatements
on
property
taxes.
The
project
has
to
provide
affordable
housing
components,
local
workforce
requirements,
diversity
requirements
and,
and
they
have
an
opportunity
to
gain
other
incentives
if
they
provide
a
very,
very
strong,
green
energy
building.
Well
above
the
current
code
or
proposed
code.
So
there's
some.
C
C
And
I
I
do
apologize
every
time
I
unmute
myself,
I'm
afraid
all
you
can
hear
is
construction,
it's
good
that
construction
is
happening,
but
it
is
loud.
C
I
think
next
we
have
the
review
and
approval
of
the
july
minutes.
Patrick
moves
approval.
Is
there
a
second
rob
any
discussion
on
the
minutes?
All
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes.
C
Thank
you
was
that
unanimous,
okay,
thank
you
and
then
motion
to
adjourn,
patrick
second
rob
all
in
favor.
Okay,
thanks
very
much
everyone.
We
will
have
a
busy
september
meeting,
but
some
good
work
tonight
thanks.
Everyone
have
a
look.
F
Thanks
phoebe,
oh
well,
thanks
phoebe,
the
there
is
a
page
on
the
city
website
where
you
can
find
information.
I.