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A
C
A
B
A
All
right
well
welcome
to
the
meeting
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee.
This
is
july.
20
2022
I'll
interview
introduce
first,
our
committee
members,
older
person,
brock
representing
first
ward,
older
person,
brown
representing
second
ward.
All
the
person
gearheart
could
not
be
with
us
this
evening.
B
We
have
several
speakers,
I'm
going
to
let
the
ones
that
are
here
in
and
just
call
them
in
the
order
that
they
arrive
to
the
meeting.
A
And
just
a
reminder
to
our
speakers:
well,
first,
thank
you
for
being
with
us
this
evening
and
also
a
reminder
that
your
comments
will
be
limited
to
no
longer
than
three
minutes.
B
And
also
also
that,
after
all,
the
speaking
is
done,
we'll
remove
the
speakers
from
the
meeting,
so
you're
welcome
to
continue
to
follow
on
youtube.
So
the
first
speaker
tonight
is
esther.
B
I
cannot
hear
any
suggestions.
I
do
not
have
any
suggestions
except
for
maybe
leave
the
meeting
and
come
back
or
maybe
you
could
message
her
that
deb.
Why
don't
we
just
move
on
to
annika
roland?
D
Hi
all
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today.
I
am
here
on
behalf
of
a
group,
a
climate
coalition
here
in
ithaca.
We
held
a
rally
about
a
month
ago
on
the
commons,
encouraging
the
city
of
ithaca
to
to
declare
a
climate
emergency,
and
we
sent
a
letter
to
all
of
common
council
and
the
mayor
with
over
100
letters
from
the
community
in
support
of
this
demand,
and
we
have
heard
nothing
about
our
demands.
D
I
would
like
to
reiterate
the
letter
today
and
encourage
some
action
to
be
made
dear
ithaca,
common
council
and
acting
mayor.
We
are
writing
to
you
because
we
are
acutely
aware
of
the
urgency
of
the
climate
crisis.
Communities
around
the
world
are
already
suffering
from
the
effects
of
climate
change,
and
the
most
recent
ipcc
report
makes
it
clear
that
dramatic
and
immediate
action
is
needed
to
limit
warming
to
1.5
degrees
celsius
in
2019.
Our
community
took
part
in
the
stark
reality
and
we
successfully
passed
the
ithaca
green
new
deal.
D
The
ambitious
goals
of
the
ithaca
new
deal
positioned
us
as
a
climate
leader
at
the
state
level
and
beyond,
coming
at
a
critical
moment
where
local
government
was
being
called
upon
to
step
up
to
the
plate.
However,
progress
has
been
slow
in
the
three
years
since
its
passage
all
while
climate
change
has
continued
at
an
unrelenting
pace.
Certainly,
there
have
been
obstacles
that
have
stood
in
the
way
from
budgetary
constraints
to
a
global
pandemic.
However,
climate
change
is
indifferent
to
such
struggles.
D
The
2030
carbon
neutrality
deadline
outlined
in
the
ithaca
green
new
deal
was
not
chosen
arbitrarily.
It
reflects
the
immediacy
of
the
climate
crisis
and
the
bold
measures
necessary
to
mitigate
its
effects.
The
ithaca
community
is
already
feeling
the
effects
of
climate
change
from
increased
increased,
severe
rainfall
and
drought,
affecting
local
food
production
to
intense
heat
waves,
like
the
one
that
we're
experiencing
today
affecting
the
health
and
well-being
of
many
residents
without
air
conditioning.
We
must
achieve
this.
D
Such
a
declaration
must
include
a
commitment
to
24
7,
carbon
free
energy,
so
that
all
energy
used
in
ithaca
comes
from
100
renewable
resources,
community
participation,
especially
from
groups
who
are
most
affected
by
the
climate
crisis
here
in
ithaca,
and
no
re
rent
increases
as
a
result
of
modifications
to
rental
units.
As
we
try
to
make
buildings
more
energy
efficient.
D
The
ethical
new
deal
makes
powerful
promises
about
the
future
of
our
city.
However,
such
promises
cannot
be
fulfilled
without
swift
and
bold
actions.
The
time
to
act
is
now,
and
our
community
cannot
del
for
to
delay
any
longer,
and
this
was
signed
by
approximately
10
to
12
groups
here
in
ithaca.
D
A
E
Yeah
sure
hi
everyone
I
want
to
read
a
quote
from
an
article
by
tyler
walachek
that
really
resonated
homes
not
sanctioned
encampments
are
the
solution
to
homelessness
is
the
title
of
the
article.
I
really
recommend
it
and
he
says
in
reference
to
designated
encampments.
E
While
outside
camp
borders
they
pursue
the
same
punitive
measures,
they
have
long,
favored,
criminalization
punishment,
enforceable
displacement.
Aka
sweeps
are
many
authority
authorities
preferred
means
of
appeasing
businesses
and
home
owning
constituents
who
find
unhoused
people
distasteful,
a
nuisance
or
a
threat
to
profits.
However,
these
practices
can
generate
public
controversy
and
organized
resistance.
E
Sanctions
encampments
can
represent
a
way
to
thread
this
needle
doing
something
to
placate
homeless
advocates,
while
maintaining
social
control
of
unhoused
people,
and
I
think
about
that,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
the
encampment
who
are
resistant
or
unable
to
access
these
resources,
and
the
fears
that
I've
been
hearing
and
the
fears
that
I
have
about
this
project
include
surveillance,
an
implication
that
camping
nearby,
the
cabins
would
be
illegal,
that
the
criminal
that
will
you
know
criminalize
homelessness
in
ithaca,
that
this
will
displace
people
who
don't
want
to
live
in
the
cabins
or
who
are
prevented
from
doing
so
by
the
rules.
E
E
So
I'm,
like
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
like
language
about
like
safety
and
the
safety
of
the
homeless
encampments,
but
like.
According
to
this,
like
ithaca
voice
article.
The
downside,
though,
is
that
it
could
also
it
could
include
harsher
regulations
on
people
who
are
homeless
but
do
not
live
in
the
jungle.
The
establishment
of
tides
comes
with
some
caveats,
most
prominently
that
it
would
allow
the
city
to
actually
enforce
the
no
camping
policy
that
is
on
the
books,
but
rarely
employed.
E
If
someone
is
camping
on
public
property
outside
of
the
tides
zone,
they
will
be
told
to
leave.
Punishment
is
unclear,
so
I
want
you
all
to
ask
yourselves
what
are
we
doing
within
our
existing
emergency
shelter
programs,
and
can
we
create
more
effective
indoor,
shelter
or
pricing
house
housing
options
if
needed
and
also
like
if
this
was
a
truly
supportive
program
like
we
would
have
residents
and
advocates
at
the
helm?
And
I'm
not
seeing
that?
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
B
Okay,
esther
herkwood's
next
and
then
genevieve
ran
after
her.
Thank
you.
F
I'm
speaking
today
about
lawlessness,
not
homelessness.
I
understand
that
homelessness
is
not
a
crime.
I'm
asking
the
city
to
stop
acquiescing
to
the
lawlessness
that
is
taking
over
the
west
end
in
service
of
sympathy
for
the
homeless,
because
there
is
no
designated
place
for
unhoused
people
to
legally
camp
in
the
city.
The
spread
of
lawless
camping
on
private
and
public
land
has
resulted
in
a
degradation
of
the
area,
the
community
safety,
business
and
home
values
without
a
designated
camping
area
that
can
be
managed.
The
police
cannot
remove
people
who
are
using
lands
illegally.
F
This
has
resulted
in
the
following,
which
are
now
commonplace.
In
my
neighborhood
public
urination
by
white
men,
white
men
emptying
their
bowels
into
the
canal
and
shrubs
white
men
committing
assault
and
battery
white
men,
committing
burglary
and
destruction
of
property
guns
going
off
screaming
at
night
fires
being
set
and
getting
out
of
control
requiring
fire
department
attention
home
invasion,
sexual
assault,
at
least
one
dead
woman
found
in
the
creek
last
summer.
F
The
smell
of
chemicals
and
smoke
in
the
air
piles
of
used
syringes,
flammables
biological
waste
and
garbage
found
lying
in
the
open
people,
primarily
white
men
raving
and
marching
up
and
down
the
streets.
There
are
no
sidewalks
an
interest
in
the
rat,
an
increase
in
the
rat
population
that
is
noticeable
foot
long
rats
that
will
fight
with
you
during
the
day,
an
increase
in
the
potential
for
hiv,
hepatitis
covered
and
so
forth.
This
is
not
a
result
of
homelessness.
F
This
is
a
result
of
allowing
lawlessness.
It
makes
everyone
less
safe,
including
the
homeless
people
who
want
and
need
some
help-
women,
men
and
children.
At
a
meeting
months
ago,
chris
tattlebaugh
estimated
75
percent
of
the
encamp
population
was
mentally
ill
and
or
drug
addicted
sales
associates
office
professionals,
business
owners
and
residents
in
the
area
are
not
equipped
to
be
confronted
by
that.
F
If
you
do
not
take
action
today,
to
approve
a
designated
camping
area
for
unhoused
people
and
allow
law
enforcement
to
stop
unlawful
camping,
you
are
enabling
conditions
that
benefit
primarily
white
males
engaged
in
criminal,
dangerous
activity.
I
am
pointing
out
the
whiteness
of
it
because
I
am
not
aware
of,
but
one
other
person
who
has
acknowledged
it.
Would
this
be
tolerated
in
any
other
part
of
the
city.
We
don't
see
it.
Would
this
be
tolerated
if
it
was
lawlessness
by
people
of
color,
I
don't
know
we
need
help.
F
F
G
C
A
G
Minute
I'll
start
now,
yeah,
okay,
so
my
understanding
is
that,
right
now
you
guys
are
at
the
stage
where
you're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
like,
accept
proposals
for
how
you're
going
to
do
something
to
try
to
build
supportive
structures
and
create
some
kind
of
facilities
and
so
on
in
the
jungle
area,
and
I
want
to
a
couple
things
in
the
broadest
sense-
encourage
you
to
at
this
particular
decision
juncture,
try
to
retain
as
much
local
control
of
this
as
possible
and
not
lean
in
the
direction
of
having
like
external
private
entities
like
design
this.
G
For
you
reasons
for
that,
there's
a
few
a
couple
of
a
big
one
is
what
angel
said
about
letting
the
people
who
are
currently
living
in
this
area,
design
and
designate
like
what
they
need.
I
don't
see
people
who
are
living
there
like
at
this
meeting,
commenting
on
it,
I'm
happy
to
help
do
outreach
and
organizing
with
the
city.
B
G
Thank
you,
in
whatever
capacity
I
can
but
like
there's
a
this
is
a
really
really
sensitive
topic
like
there's
a
lot
that
can
go
wrong
very
easily
and
there's
a
lot
of
bad
situations
that
you
can
create,
particularly
like
the
number
one
most
important
thing
is
that
we
don't
further
criminalize
homelessness
in
any
capacity,
because
so
there's
a
couple
ways
that
that
could
go.
G
It's
I
don't
agree
with
the
person
before
me
like
that.
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
the
person
who's
like
coming
in
support
of
this
is
reframing
homelessness
as
lawlessness
and
talking
about
protecting
her
property
values
in
her
neighborhood.
Like
you
know
what
this
woman's
saying,
even
if
she
hides
it
behind-
oh
it's
all
like
white
people
who
are
having
these
problems.
You
know
that
when
you
turn
the
cops
on
the
issue,
that's
not
how
the
arrests
are
gonna
get
made,
and
also
this
particular
encampment
area
is
a
really
really
really
white.
G
G
B
A
Okay,
debbie,
you
have
not
received
any
emails
from.
A
H
Okay
of
cb
tv
yeah.
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
all
our
speakers.
I
want
to
also
really
talk
about
and
reiterate
the
part
around
safety
safety
for
everyone
who's
in
the
encampment
and
for
it
to
feel
as
if
it's
somewhere
people
can
feel
safe.
H
A
I
I
definitely
want
to
thank
everybody
who
came
to
speak
and
and
genevieve's
absolutely
right.
This
is
a
very
sensitive
issue.
We
need
to
do
this
the
right
way.
However,
we
approach
how
we
support
the
unhoused
is
very
important.
I
do
want
to
clarify,
although
we
will
be
spending
some
time
on
this
in
the
meeting.
I
want
to
clarify
very
clearly
in
no
way
is
anyone
proposing
criminalizing
being
unhoused.
I
Every
approach
that
has
been
discussed
in
terms
of
providing
support
has
been
by
utilizing
outreach
workers
to
interact
and
reach
out
to
the
unhoused
focus
on
their
needs,
urge
them
to
move
into
a
supportive
and
legal
housing
options
and
to
work
with
them
as
closely
as
possible.
In
no
way
are
we
looking
at
this
in
in
a
more
law
enforcement
mechanism,
so
the
terms
that
are
being
banded
about
in
terms
of
sweeps,
and
so
on
nobody's
talking
about
that.
I
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
at
the
outset,
so
that
we
have
a
clear
understanding,
moving
forward.
A
Thanks
cynthia-
and
I
will
just
point
out
that
the
discussion
tonight
on
the
agenda
number
seven
response
to
the
unhoused
proposals
and
reports
and
next
steps
is
not
a
voting
item.
So
we
recognize
that
this
is
a
very
complex
issue
to
address
we
want
to
in
the
words
of
phoebe
and
cynthia,
and
I
think
genevieve
we
want
to
assure
safety
for
all
residents.
A
We
do
not
want
to
criminalize
being
homeless,
do
not
want
to
criminalize
anyone
unhoused,
but
want
to
work
toward
the
best
solutions
that
include
safe
safety
for
all
residents,
all
members
of
our
community.
So
thank
you
again
to
all
of
our
speakers.
I
think
we'll
now
move
on
to
our
agenda.
Unless
any
other
committee
member
had
any
comment
to
make.
A
J
I
I'd
like
to
thank
esther
for
coming
and
speaking
her
words
are
true.
J
A
You
george
thank
you
and
when
I
commented
that
our
interest
is
in
safety
for
everyone
in
our
community,
I
know
that
esther
is
concerned
about
safety
in
her
neighborhood
where
she
lives.
So
she
is
not
someone
from
the
outside
commenting,
but
rather
someone
who
lives
in
in
the
community.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
everyone.
So
we
will
now
move
on
to
our
special
order
of
business.
The
first
item
on
our
special
order
of
business
is
a
presentation
on
zoning
and
megan.
Wilson
is
here
with
us.
Megan
is
the
zoning
administrator
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
megan
and
lisa
for
their
presentation.
K
A
K
A
little
audio
problem
here
so,
okay,
so.
K
L
I
A
I
think
lisa
is
co-host,
is,
does
megan
have
permission.
K
Sorry
about
that,
okay,
so
tonight
I
wanted
to
give
you
all
just
kind
of
some
background
and
overview
on
zoning
in
general
and
planned
unit
developments
which
are
part
of
our
zoning
ordinance.
So
I'll
start
with
a
little
bit
of
background
on
the
zoning
itself
and
again
some
more
specific
details
as
we
go
on
about
the
zoning
ordinance
and
our
zoning
regulations,
some
of
our
favorite
hot
button,
issues
of
density
and
parking
and
then
a
little
bit
about
zoning
variances
and
plan
unit
developments
or
puds.
K
And
I
did
refrain
from
including
a
lot
of
the
planning
and
zoning
memes
that
I
make
the
bza
sit
through
during
training
sessions.
But
there
might
be
a
couple
because
I
couldn't
help
myself.
So
all
right.
So.
K
Okay,
so
again
just
some
basics
on
zoning.
K
The
zoning
is
locally
adopted,
legislation
that
regulates
land
use,
as
well
as
the
size
scale
and,
in
some
cases,
form
of
development
within
the
city.
Our
zoning
ordinance
divides
all
property
within
the
city
into
different
districts
or
zones
with
similar
regulations,
among
them.
K
So
why
do
we
have
zoning?
So,
broadly
speaking,
zoning
is
one
of
the
city's
powers
to
protect
the
health,
safety
and
general
welfare
of
the
community.
It's
designed
to
locate
compatible
uses
next
to
one
another
address
safety
concerns,
focus
development
and
desired
areas
and
protect
neighborhood
character.
K
And
yes,
I
couldn't
help
myself
with
the
up
disney
up
picture
in
the
corner
so
and
when
I
say
neighborhood
character.
I
think
we
all
immediately
when
you
hear
that
you
envision
a
traditional
residential
neighborhood
that
we
want
to
preserve,
but
when
we
say
that
we
actually
are
applying
neighborhood
character
to
all
types
of
neighborhood
within
the
city
and
there
are
distinct
characteristics
that
either
we
want
to
preserve
or
that
we
want
to
create
so
that
can
be
a
vibrant
and
walkable
downtown.
K
So
again,
zoning
is
a
locally
adopted
legislation
and
it
is
a
is
a
policy
itself.
So
one
common
council
who
makes
the
decisions
on
zoning
is
adopting
those
changes.
The
goal
is
to
implement
to
get
us
closer
to
ideas
that
are
important
to
the
community,
so
implementing
policies
that
help
us
achieve
the
direction
that
the
community
like
to
go
in
in
terms
of
land
use
and
development.
K
The
city's
comprehensive
plan
serves
as
the
basis
for
that
so
on
your
screen.
You're
going
to
see
on
the
left
is
plan
ithaca,
which
is
phase
one
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
as
well
as
the
future
land
use
map
that
was
included
in
the
plan.
K
K
A
hybrid
code
is
one
that's
a
mix
of
those
two,
so
it
includes
regulations
on
the
on
the
land
use
itself,
as
well
as
massing
in
architectural
form
within
the
city.
The
college
town
area
forum
districts
is
are
really
our
only
true
hybrid
or
formats
code,
but
we
do
have
form-based
elements
both
in
both
in
the
west
state
street
corridor,
as
well
as
in
the
waterfront
districts.
K
So
you'll
see
here
kind
of
squeezed
in
due
to
the
shape
and
size
is
the
city's.
The
current
version
of
the
city's
zoning
map
and
the
different
colors
show
the
different
districts
that
divide
up
the
city
we
currently
have,
according
to
my
account,
43
different
zoning
districts,
ranging
from
residential
to
commercial
and
industrial
as
well
as
planned
unit
developments.
K
K
So,
in
addition
to
the
43
zoning
districts,
we
also
have
four
what
is
known
as
overlay
districts
and
those
within
an
overlay
district.
We
apply
additional
regulations
to
the
underlying
zoning,
so
examples
of
that
would
be
downtown.
We
have
the
street
level
active
use,
overlaid
district,
so,
in
addition
to
the
central
business
district
zoning
regulations,
we
also
require
that
the
street
level
story
has
an
active
use.
So
we
have
a
few
of
those
located
throughout
the
city
with
different
intents,.
K
Okay,
so
density
and
parking,
they
are
things
that
come
up
often
when
it
relates
to
zoning
and
new
development.
New
projects,
that
kind
of
thing
our
zoning
ordinance
does
in
all
districts,
adjust
density
and
off
street
parking
in
some
way
density.
K
We
don't
have
any
set
says
so
many
people
per
per
square
acre
or
anything
like
that,
but
we
do
have
certain
mechanisms
built
into
the
zoning
that,
by
their
design,
were
intended
to
address
density,
so
people
often
think
of
height
building
height,
to
keep
the
building
lower
than
a
certain
level
or
lot
coverage
by
buildings,
which
means
that
a
certain
proportion
of
the
lot
can
be
covered
by
the
building's
footprint.
K
In
addition,
minimum
lot
area
is
another
requirement,
that's
used
so
that
you
have
to
have
a
sufficient
lot
area
or
large
enough
lot
area
to
accommodate
the
use.
That's
proposed
so
typically
an
example
of
that
is
in
some
of
our
r3
multi-family
districts,
the
more
apartments
or
dwelling
units
you
have
on
the
site,
the
more
minimum
lot
area
you
have
to
have.
K
K
K
All
right
so
zoning
compliance.
We
hear
this
a
lot
and
we
think
about
it,
both
in
terms
of
existing
building
buildings
but
comes
up
most
frequently
with
new
projects
that
are
proposed
and
whether
a
project
is
zoning
compliant.
K
A
zoning
compliant
project
is
one
that
is
in
compliance
with
all
of
the
zoning
regulations
included
in
chapter
325
of
the
city
code.
This
includes
everything
from
things
we've
talked
about
with
height
a
lot
coverage
by
buildings,
use
yard
setbacks,
but
also
locations
of
parking
locations
of
accessory
structures.
So
there
are
quite
a
few
different
requirements
that
a
project
our
building
must
have
meet
to
be
in
compliance
with
our
zoning.
K
So
and
again,
this
is
getting
a
little
bit
more
into
the
details,
but
a
non-conforming
law
or
structure
which
you'll
we
see
probably
most
frequently
is
the
one
that
doesn't
meet
one
of
the
area
requirements
of
the
zoning.
So
this
is
either
an
existing
building
or
a
new
proposal
that
might
not
meet
a
yard.
Setback
might
exceed
the
maximum
large
maximum
lot
coverage
by
buildings.
Might
be
taller
than
what's
allowed
by
the
zonings
if
it's
an
existing
building,
these
structures
within
the
city
have
established
rights
to
continue
operating.
K
So
what
this
means
is
you,
if
you
don't
meet
the
front
yard
setback?
Your
front
yard
is
too
small.
It's
not
that
you
have
to
cease
operating
or
get
a
variance
or
move
your
house
or
anything
like
that.
It
is
what
we
call
an
existing
deficiency
and
the
building
has
established
rights
to
that,
and
we
see
this
a
lot.
To
be
honest,
I
would
say
a
significant
portions
of
buildings
within
the
city,
particularly
those
older
structures.
K
A
lot
of
them
have
area
deficiencies
in
zoning
and
we
work
with
them,
certainly
as
they
want
to
make
improvements
to
their
properties
or
other
changes,
but
we
do
have
that
come
up
quite
a
bit.
This
is
a
different,
so
an
illegal
non-conforming
is
little.
Property
is
a
little
bit
different.
K
This
would
be
something
that
happened
typically
when
someone
doesn't
get
a
building
permit
and
the
an
addition
to
a
structure
is
built
or
parking
is
added,
or
that
kind
of
thing
without
all
the
approvals,
and
that
that
is
a
different
problem
that
we
have
to
address.
K
A
non-conforming
use
isn't
one
that
the
use
is
not
allowed
under
current
zoning.
I
would
say
this
is
most
commonly
from
when
the
zoning
ordinance
changed
and
the
the
use
existed
for
prior
to
that
change.
So
an
example
of
this
is
some
of
the
areas
we
talked
about
downtown
last
fall
where
they
offices
used
to
be
allowed
in
the
r3
district
and
no
longer
are.
Some
of
those
offices
have
existed
since
that
time.
So
they're
considered
a
non-conforming
use
again.
They
have
established
rights
to
that
use.
K
They
can
continue
to
operate
that
way.
But
again,
this
is
different
from
someone
who
started
a
use
without
the
required
approvals
that
didn't
meet
the
zoning
requirements.
K
Well,
in
a
lot
of
cases,
this
means
they
need
a
zoning
variance
and
again
there's
two
types:
there's
for
area
for
those
that
don't
meet
the
physical
or
dimensional
requirements
and
we're
looking
typically
at
yard
setbacks
lot
coverage
height.
That
kind
of
thing
that
is
probably
the
most
common
appeal.
That's
heard
by
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
and,
I
would
say,
probably
about
90
percent
of
all
the
appeals
are
for
area
variances,
both
on
existing
structures
in
new
construction.
K
These
are
very
rare
and,
I
would
say,
we've
gotten,
probably,
I
think,
maybe
two
to
three
applications
in
the
past
10
years.
So
we
do
not
see
these
very
often
they're,
also
very
difficult
to
get
in
both
instances,
a
variance
the
a
request
for
a
variance
must
meet
very
specific
narrow
criteria
in
order
to
be
granted
by
the
bza.
K
K
Okay,
so
the
next
piece
is,
when
is
the
variance
required.
So
again
I
mentioned
that
we
have
a
lot
of
properties
that
have
existing
deficiencies,
but
that
does
not
mean
they
all
need
to
come
and
get
a
variance.
K
So
in
terms
of
area,
if
it's
new
construction
and
you're
proposing
not
to
meet
one
of
the
requirements,
that
would
require
an
area
variance
or
if
it's
making
an
existing
deficiency
worse.
So,
for
example,
if
your
front
yard
or
rear
yard
was
smaller
than
what
is
required
by
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
you
added
an
addition
that
made
it
even
smaller,
that
would
be
considered
an
exacerbation
of
an
existing
deficiency
and,
lastly,
our
in
terms
of
area.
K
If
a
non
something
that
has
established
rights
loses
those
rights
after
not
operating
for
a
year
or
more
or
when
a
non-conforming
use
proposes
to
expand,
and
I
would
say
this
is
what
we
most
commonly
see
if
we
do
get
a
use
variance,
even
if
it's
existing
office
say
in
a
residential
zone
and
they
want
to
expand
to
add
a
storage
area
or
an
additional
space
within
an
office.
That's
considered
an
expansion
and
they
need
to
get
a
use,
variance.
K
So,
switching
gears
a
little
bit
a
planned
unit.
Development
is
another
option
within
our
zoning
ordinance
for
certain
properties,
so
it
is
a
floating
zone
that
may
be
adopted
for
a
single
or
collection
of
properties
within
our
plan
unit,
development,
overlay,
district
and
I'll
show
you
a
map
of
that
in
a
sec
in
a
second.
K
This
is
for
projects
that
are
intended
to
provide
significant
community
benefits
and
really
further.
The
city's
goals
for
the
neighborhood,
in
which
they're
located
in
exchange,
the
property
owner
or
developer,
proposes
their
own
zoning
regulations.
K
This
is
something
that,
rather
than
going
to
the
bza,
like
a
variance
it
comes
to,
the
common
council
and
common
council
is
responsible
for
reviewing
this
proposal,
this
application
and
weighing
whether
the
community
benefits
proposed
warrant
as
what
essentially
becomes
new
zoning
for
a
particular
site.
K
So
this
is
the
our
planned
unit.
Overlay
district
boundary,
so
it
this
is
an
area,
and
I
believe
there
was
an
addition
recently
over
here,
but
it's
for
properties
within
the
red
areas
to
can
apply
to
have
a
planned
unit
development
or
for
their
sites.
Right
now,
I
believe
we
have
five
approved
puds
in
the
city
and
they
are
again
went
through
this
process,
where
common
council
weighed
the
benefits
to
the
community
that
were
proposed
by
the
project
against
the
regulations
that
the
developer
was
requesting.
K
So
this
is
a
good
option,
particularly
for
larger
projects
or
in
areas
where
we
really
want
to
see
significant
redevelopment.
K
If
it's
something
you
know
again
the
for
zoning
variants,
you
really
need
to
meet
the
specific
criteria
to
have
that
variance
granted,
and
this
is
really
kind
of
the
idea
that,
with
new
zoning
we,
the
property
owner
project
team,
could
produce
a
different
project.
What
they
believe
is
better
and
more
beneficial
to
the
community,
and
so
that
is
what
this
other
zoning
option
was
built
into.
Our
ordinance.
C
K
So
at
this
point
I
have
kind
of
breezed
through
a
lot
of
information
really
quickly,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
and
still
leave
time
for
questions
that
you
might
have.
So
I
will
turn
it
over
to
all
of
you.
A
Thanks
thanks
very
much
megan,
it's
very
comprehensive.
I
see
patrick,
has
a
question.
M
Yes
and
thank
you
so
much
megan,
I
really
appreciate
it,
especially
your
scattering
of
memes
throughout
there,
but
I
guess
there
was
this.
There
was
a
point
in
the
slides
there
and
maybe
I
just
wasn't
listening.
I
didn't
hear
it,
but
I
thought
I
saw
something
that
says
you
can
lose
established
rights
in
some
scenarios.
So
I
guess
what
what
leads
to
loss
of
established
rights
both
for
use
and
for
area.
K
Okay,
that's
a
good
question.
So
if
it's
a
non-conforming
use
and
the
use
ceases
to
operate
for
a
period
of
12
months
or
more,
they
lose
the
rights
to
those
establish
the
established
non-conforming
use.
K
I
will
say
that
this
is
during
quote
unquote
normal
times,
and
there
are
specific
provisions
that
are
now
in
place
for
the
covid
state
of
emergency.
But,
generally
speaking,
if
it's
12
months
or
more
without
operation,
they
do
lose
those
established
rights
for
use
for
area.
I
mean
a
lot
of
times
that
applies
for
existing
building
that
lasts
for
a
long
time.
K
The
way
those
would
be
lost,
I
would
say,
is
if
it
was.
The
structure
was
demolished
by
the
owner's
choice.
K
Yeah,
it's
actually
it
wasn't
recently
adopted.
I
think
it
was
a
provision
that
was
built
into
our
zoning
ordinance
years
ago,
and
maybe
none
of
us
really
envisioned
it
coming
to
play
like
this.
But
there
is
a
provision
in
the
zoning
ordinance
for
non-conforming
uses
that
if
there's
a
state
of
emergency
they
have
one
year
from
the
end
of
the
state
of
emergency.
So
you're
right,
we've
seen
this
being
pretty
beneficial
right
now
to
some
restaurants
and
such
that
haven't
been
able
to
reopen.
M
K
A
K
Sure
so,
under
our
current,
the
way
the
ordinance
is
currently
written.
If
you
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
in
a
separate
structure,
this
is
considered
a
second
primary
structure
on
your
lot,
which
has
some
implications
again
for
minimum
lot
size
that
you
have
to
have
parking,
and
things
like
that
that
do
make
it
very
difficult
for
a
lot
of
lots,
particularly
in
an
urban
environment,
to
have
a
separate
accessory
structure
on
them.
K
So
they
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
probably
look
at
and
we
started
to
was
looking
at
that
classification
of
primary
structure
or
law
area
requirements
and
things
like
that
to
make
it
possible,
under
whatever
conditions
the
common
council
is
interested
in
pursuing.
It
is
certainly
possible
in
some
instances
now,
if
there's
a
larger
lot
to
have
an
adu,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of-
and,
I
would
say,
probably
the
majority,
particularly
on
smaller
downtown
lots.
It's
it's
very
difficult
to
do
so
in
a
zoning
complaint
way.
H
And
thank
you
for
that
report
still
kind
of
like
foreign
language
to
me.
I
I
would
like
to
maybe
get
more
information,
because
my
understanding
is
not
that
vast.
But
what
I
do
I
want
to
ask
you
about
is
in
the
beginning.
You
mentioned
something
about.
This
is
phase
two
of
planning
and
I'd
like
to
know
who
is
a
part
of
phase
one,
and
what
do
you
mean
by
part
two?
H
You
know
because
one
thing
I
understand
is
like
things
don't
just
pop
up,
if
the
good
just
don't
start
building
all
these
things
without
some
people
in
the
background
planning,
so
I
really
wanted
to
kind
of
understand.
Who
is
the
who
does
this?
I
know
you
said
something
about
common
council
approves,
but
who
does
this
planning
of
where
things
going?
Where
are
we
going
to
go
next?
H
You
know:
do
that,
am
I
making
sense?
Yes,.
K
That's
a
great
question,
so
we,
the
comprehensive
plan,
was
prepared
and
probably
over
the
course
of
a
couple
years
and
approved
in
2015.
We
worked
with
a
committee
at
the
time
of
neighborhood
residents.
I
think
there
was
between
15
and
20
members
on
the
committee
from
different
areas
of
the
city,
different
employment
backgrounds,
different
interests
and
we
all
work
together
to
come
up
with
the
comprehensive
plan
phase,
one
which
is
what
I
showed,
the
picture
of
which
is
kind
of
a
it's,
a
broad
document
for
the
entire
city.
K
It
applies
everything,
but
it
doesn't
get
down
into
that
level
of
detail
of
on
this
block,
we
want
to
see
x,
y
and
z,
it's
kind
of
in
general,
like
in
downtown.
We
want
to
see
this
in
college
town
and
then
the
second
phase
of
that
has
been
additional
neighborhood
plans
and
at
this
point
we
have
completed
two
neighborhood
plans,
which
was
the
south
side
plan
and
the
waterfront
plan,
and
we
worked
in
both
cases
with
committees
from
the
neighborhood
or,
I
would
say
more
in
in
the
waterfront.
K
It
was
property
owners
and
interested
groups
that
are
involved
there
to
come
up
and
draft
the
neighborhood
plan
and
have
that
do
public
outreach
and
have
it
adopted
these,
were,
I
would
say,
I
think,
of
the
in
2017
and
18
is
when
they
were
adopted.
So
it's
been
a
bit
and
our
efforts
have
been
a
little
bit
on
hold
right
now
with
with
coven
and
staffing
and
and
that
kind
of
thing,
but
we're
continuing
to
work
on.
B
H
No,
no,
no!
That's
amazing
to
me,
because
of
who
did
the
planning
of
how
south
side
you
talk
about
southside
and
it
lost
all
this
black
and
brown
residents.
So
I
like
were
they
involved
in
this
planning
of
you
know,
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
guessing
because
pretty
much
that
plan,
whoever
created
that
plan
was
gentrification
in
mind
when
you
created
it,
but
don't
let
me
ramble
on.
A
Those
plans,
those
plans
are
on
the
city
website
and
trying
to
recall
do
the
plans
that
are
on
the
website
include
the
members
who
were
part
of
so
that
would
be
a
good
reference
point.
Phoebe
yeah.
C
A
A
It
would
be
great
to
just
share,
maybe
in
our
minutes
the
slides
that
you
presented.
B
Laura
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
and
for
phoebe's
benefit
to
or
any
anybody
else
all
of
these
like
presentations,
the
economic
development,
the
overview
of
the
department
planning
and
zoning
and
whatever
other
little
trainings.
We
do
we're
gonna,
compile
them
as
different
videos
that
will
be
available
for
people
to
review
and
when
we
get
around
to
that.
But
that
should
be
fairly
easy
to
do.
A
A
Okay,
let's
move
on
to
3b,
which
is
the
drinking
water
source
protection
program,
and
that
is
a
presentation
we
have
materials
in
the
packet.
I
believe
liz,
moran
and
lauren
edward
from
martin
luther
judas
will
be
joining
us
to
give
this
presentation,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
them.
L
I
am
hello
everyone.
Thank
you.
So
much
do
I
have
permission
to
share
yes,
okay,
so
thank
you,
lisa
and
thanks
everyone
for
the
opportunity
to
introduce
a
program
that
we
refer
to
as
dwsp2.
L
That
stands
for,
as
you
see
here,
drinking
water
source
protection
program
and
I'm
here
as
a
member
of
a
team
from
barton
and
legitus,
along
with
my
colleague,
lauren
howard,
we've
been
working
together,
funded
by
a
new
york
state
program
designed
to
provide
technical
support
to
communities
as
they
look
ahead
in
for
to
find
effective
ways
to
protect
their
sources
of
drinking
water.
So
that
is
why
we're
here-
and
we
have
a
fairly
condensed
agenda
tonight,
I'll
give
some
background
on
the
dwsp2
project
itself.
L
Then
we'll
go
through
major
findings,
some
of
the
recommendations
and
then
look
ahead
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
what
are
the
up
implications
of
the
dws
p2
program
for
the
city.
L
So
we
want
to
start
off
with
a
little
bit
of
background
about
the
city
water
supply.
I
know
this
will
be
completely
familiar
to
many
people,
but
just
so
that
we're
all
starting
off
kind
of
with
the
same
language
city
of
ithaca
water
supply,
of
course
comes
from
six
mile
creek,
which
is
one
of
the
large
southern
tributaries
that
ultimately
flows
into
key
of
the
lake.
L
This
six
mile
creek
has
been
the
source
of
drinking
water
for
the
city
since
the
early
1900s
and
the
water
is
actually
drawn
through
a
series
of
impoundments
that
have
been
created
with
built
within
the
gorge,
like
dams,
to
create
what
reservoirs
from
which
the
water
supply
is
is
drawn,
and
there
is
a
drinking
water
treatment
plant,
a
a
water
treatment
plant,
the
original
plant
and
the
existing
the
brand
new
plant.
We
think
of
it
as
the
new
plant
finished
in
in
2017.
L
It's
actually
in
the
in
the
same
location,
and
there
are
some
really
key
features
and
challenges
associated
with
the
six
mile
creek
watershed
and
it's
used
as
a
water
supply,
and
that
really
helps
us
kind
of
frame.
Our
approach
to
the
dws
p2
program.
L
Some
of
these
challenges
relate
to
geology,
and
some
of
it
relate
to
kind
of
the
institutional
structure,
and
I
can
show
you
on
this
slide
here.
What
I
mean
about
institutional
structure.
These
are
the
boundaries,
so
here
this
star
here
is
the
drinking
water
supply
system.
So
there's
there's
the
intake,
and
these
here
are
the
outlines
of
the
affected
municipalities.
So
the
city
of
ithaca
is
here:
you'll
see
that
the
town
of
vitka
town
of
danby,
town
of
caroline
town
of
dryden
all
are
within
this
red
line.
L
This
red
line
is
the
watershed
line,
so
this
delineates
the
land
area
that
ultimately
flows
into
six
mile
creek
and
then
eventually
reaches
the
city
water
supply
reservoir.
So
that's
what
the
red
line
is
on
the
graph.
The
purple
line
on
the
graph
is
something
that
emerged
from
our
investigations
over
the
past
year
and
this
is
the
critical
area.
L
So
the
critical
area
is
calculated
using
kind
of
a
minimum
distance
from
the
stream,
but
you'll
see
that
it's
not
uniform
and
that's
because
this
shape
moves
around
to
accommodate
areas
of
steep
slopes
which
are
also
critical
in
terms
of
how
quickly
water
or
rainfall
substances,
materials
on
the
landscape,
move
to
the
stream,
and
also
you
see
it
bumps
up
when
there
are
these
little
tributaries
that
are
flowing
into
six
mile
creek.
L
So
this
was
all
part
of
our
dws
p2
program
and
you'll
see
that
this
really
influences
kind
of
what
we
can
do
on
on
the
landscape.
Looking
ahead,
it's
complicated
right.
It's
complicated
by
these
various
municipal
jurisdictions
and
as
we
just
heard
you
know,
zoning
is
kind
of
a
local
land
use
determination.
L
So
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
collaboration
and
working
together
to
make
sure
that
the
quality
of
the
city
water
supply
is
protected
into
the
future.
So
this
isn't
the
first
look
at
the
city's
water
supply
and
the
challenges
and
ways
to
help
that
mitigated
back
in
the
1930s.
L
L
You
know
the
original
rules
talk
about.
You
can't
have
your
pretty
too
close
to
the
stream
or
you
can't
throw
your
dead
livestock
in
the
stream.
So
you
know
there's
some
older
language.
That
needed
could
need
to
be
updated
in
terms
of
current
land
uses,
but
they
did
think
about
organic
wastes.
Also
chlorides
are
mentioned.
L
There
was,
there's,
always
been
a
restriction
on
recreation
in
the
reservoir
itself,
so
you
know
that
swimming
and
motorized
boating
and
such
there's
also
a
requirement
back.
You
know
adopted
in
the
early
part
of
the
1900s
requiring
an
annual
watershed
inspection,
so
the
city
of
ithaca,
as
the
water
purveyor,
is
required
to
watch
what's
going
on
in
the
watershed
and
if
they
see
issues
that's
supposed
to
be
reported
annually
to
the
new
york
state
department
of
health.
L
So
there's
been
some
efforts
over
the
years
to
update
these
watershed
rules
and
and
regulations.
There
was
a
major
effort
in
the
early
1990s
that,
actually
I
it
looks
like
I'm
just
been
looking
back
through
the
the
the
records,
and
it
looks
like
that
was
embraced
by
common
council
at
the
time,
but
didn't
move
ahead
and
what
we're
finding
out
is
that
amending
or
changing
watershed
rules
and
regulations
is
a
really
complicated
process.
L
It
has
to
be
accepted
by
the
new
york
state
department
of
health,
one
of
our
neighboring
finger
lakes
of
the
alaska
lake.
Watershed
has
been
trying
to
update
rules
and
regulations
to
protect
their
water
suppliers,
the
city
of
auburn
and
the
the
town
of
owasko
and
has
been
a
multi-year
effort
and
there's
looking
at
at
least
another
year
before
they
get
substantive
comments
back
from
the
department
of
health.
L
So
that's
not
the
only
thing
that's
been
going
on,
of
course,
the
federal
safe
drinking
water
programs,
the
state
drinking
water
act
required
states
to
do
what
they
call
source
water
assessment
planning.
So
that
is
looking
particularly
at
water
supplies
and
identifying
vulnerabilities
and
areas
of
concern,
and
that
assessment
was
completed
in
2004
for
the
city
of
ithaca
and
it
really
focused
on
sediment
as
a
key
issue
and
challenge
facing
this.
L
L
Sediment
is
really
one
of
the
major
challenges
and
we
know
that
there's
work
planned
to
help
maintain
the
reservoir
and
the
infrastructure.
L
In
light
of
this
sediment
and
lauren
will
touch
on
that
slightly
in
a
few
minutes
in
2009
to
for
a
few
years,
there
was
a
real,
interesting
collaborative
effort
to
look
at
the
future
of
the
ethical
water
supply.
You
know
at
that
point.
L
The
water
treatment
plant
was
near
the
end
or
very
close
to
the
end
of
its
operational
life,
and
so
the
question
was:
do
we
rebuild
or
do
we
do
something
else,
and
one
of
the
something
else
ideas
was
to
do
a
collaborative
project
with
the
point
system,
so
that
went
through
a
real,
detailed
environmental
review
and
kind
of
consideration
of
governance
issues.
Redundancy
lots
of
decision
making,
so
in
2013
the
new
plant
was
built.
Now,
as
that
decision
to
rebuild
the
plant
was
was
implemented
and
the
design
for
that
implant
was
completed.
L
There
was
a
lot
of
appreciation
for
understanding
the
importance
of
managing
sediment
so
that
affected
the
design
of
the
plant
as
well.
This
came
online
in
in
2017,
and
here
we
are
now
again
with
incentives
and
funding
from
new
york
state
looking
at
ways
to
protect
the
long-term
viability
of
the
drinking
water
fist
supply,
and
that
brings
us
to
the
dwsp2
program.
L
This
program
is
funded
by
new
york
state
through
their
clean
water
infrastructure
bond
act,
which
was
passed
and
specifically
allocated
funds
to
source
water
protection.
So
multi
of
agencies,
department,
health,
the
dec,
but
also
ag
markets
and
and
other
new
york
state
agencies
came
together
and
developed.
What
they
call
a
framework,
and
this
framework
document
is
something
that
has
guided
us
through.
C
L
Our
program,
our
our
work
with
the
city
of
ithaca,
there's
a
couple
key
words
here
on
the
slide.
One
is
that
this
is
voluntary
and
the
other
is
that
it
focuses
on
stakeholders.
L
I
mentioned
the
swap
program
source
water
assessment
program
that
was
completed
in
2004.
That
was
kind
of
a
top-down
effort.
Those
were
done
by
the
health
department
with
assistance
from
regional
planning,
but
there
wasn't
any
kind
of
stakeholder
involvement
or
discussion
or
nor
was
there
any
implementation
plan
or
strategy.
L
So
those
swap
plans
have
kind
of
set
on
on
the
shelf,
so
dc
and
and
their
partners
put
out
a
invitation
for
water
providers
to
apply
for
technical
assistance
providers
and
that's
what
the
barton
and
the
judas
team
is:
we're
technical
assistance
providers
working
with
various
municipalities
at
no
cost
to
the
municipalities,
so
the
city
of
ithaca
was
selected
to
participate
in
that
just
side.
Note,
bolton
point
and
cornell
are
also
embarking
on
dj
of
sp2
programs.
L
We've
been
at
it
for
about
a
year,
and
our
talk
tonight
to
the
the
committee
is
kind
of
the
first
step
in
getting
this
plan
adopted
once
the
plan
is
adopted.
It
opens
additional
opportunities
for
funding
for
projects
designed
to
implement
the
recommendations
of
the
protection
plan
itself.
N
Yes,
so,
as
liz
mentioned,
the
state
agencies
created
this
framework
to
help
guide
each
participating
municipality
through
a
process
to
create
their
own
unique
source
water
protection
program,
that's
tailored
for
their
community.
N
So
this
is
a
great
opportunity.
So
these
agencies
have
developed
a
resource
kit
with
details
on
each
of
these
four
phases
and
their
respective
components.
N
So
some
organizations
and
groups
that
were
a
part
of
the
stakeholder
group
were
individuals
from
the
city
of
ithaca,
tompkins,
county
department
of
health,
the
town
of
caroline,
the
town
of
dryden,
the
finger
lakes,
land,
trust,
soil
and
water,
some
agricultural
representatives
and
tompkins
county
planning.
N
So
one
of
the
first
tasks
for
this
committee
was
to
establish
and
formulate
a
vision
for
their
drinking
water
source
protection
plan.
The
city
of
ithaca
really
wanted
to
collaborate
with
neighboring
municipalities
and
commit
to
implementing
effective
measures
to
maintain
the
public
water
supply
as
a
reliable
and
excellent
quality
drinking
water
source,
with
their
main
goals
being
protecting
public
health
and
addressing
existing
water
quality
issues,
including
taste,
and
a
couple
other
goals
so
evaluating.
N
So
we
then
started
to
evaluate
the
existing
water
system
and
the
watershed
and
the
existing
land
uses.
It
is
excuse
me,
it
is
worthy
to
note
that
the
pink
areas
are
owned
by
the
finger
lakes,
land
trust
as
conservation
areas,
but
also,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
yellow.
There
are
a
lot
of
residential
zoning
area
or
land
use
areas,
and
next
so
and
then,
within
the
watershed,
we
got
some
data
from
a
company
called
edr
and
they
pull
from
thousands
of
databases
of
all
recorded
potential
contaminant
sources.
N
N
So
the
number
one
threat
to
the
public
water
drinking
source
is
erosion
and
sedimentation.
These
processes
severely
affect
the
water
quality
and
quantity
b.
L
has
actually
signed
on
with
the
city
of
ithaca.
It's
not
an
effort
through
the
dwsp2
plan,
but
for
some
infrastructure
improvement
projects
focused
on
the
reservoir
and
the
dams.
N
N
Invasive
species
and
pollutants,
erosion
and
contamination
from
spills
are
all
threats
related
to
ditch
management
or
portage
management
and
transportation
related
runoff.
So
we
we
really
want
to
reduce
the
likelihood
of
spills
and
create
hydrologic
resilience,
which
is
the
ability
to
absorb
disturbance
and
maintain
or
quickly
regain
hydrologic
function.
N
N
Next,
so
invasive
species
are
the
fifth
priority
issue
that
the
city
have
ranked
native
species
implants,
protect
the
ecosystem
within
six
mile
creek,
and
currently
there
are
some
invasive
species
such
as
water,
chestnuts
that
are
causing
an
increase
in
sedimentation,
which,
as
I
mentioned
before,
is
a
major
issue
for
the
city
of
ithaca's
drinking
water
source,
also
some
herbicides
and
pesticides.
N
Again.
The
overland
flow
will
bring
these
chemicals
into
the
creek
or
the
reservoir
and
contaminate
the
soil
and
the
water
any
plants
within
these
areas
and
other
organisms
as
well.
So
the
main
goal
here
is
to
really
just
reduce
the
amount
of
herbicides
and
pesticides
that
are
applied
in
the
watershed.
N
N
This
is
huge
because
it
affects
the
quality
and
quantity
of
water
for
the
city
of
ithaca
to
provide
its
customers
so
again.
Here
we
want
to
create
hydrologic
resilience
within
the
system
and
then
the
ninth
is
emerging
contaminants.
We
really
just
want
to
protect
this
drinking
water
source
from
any
type
of
contamination
to
protect
public
health.
N
L
Okay,
so
back
to
me,
we've
all
mentioned
that
the
dj
sp2
was
designed
to
be
kind
of
a
guidebook
looking
ahead,
and
so
part
of
that
is
designated
is
to
designate
a
team
to
make
sure
that
the
recommendations
and
implementation
steps
are
actually
carried
forward,
and
some
of
that
involves
enhanced
communication.
Some
of
it
involves
you
know,
allocation
of
responsibilities
among
in
between
departments
and
also
communities.
So
the
plan
management
team
is
responsible
for
implementing
it's
also
a
requirement
of
the
program
to
prepare
an
annual
progress
report.
L
This
will
probably
be
something
that
is
just
an
addendum
to
the
annual
water
quality
report
that
water
purveyors
are
required
to
file
as
as
well,
but
there's
also
a
kind
of
best
practice
recommendation
that
the
plan
be
reviewed
and
updated
on
some
kind
of
a
regular
return
frequency.
You
know
thinking
that
new
issues
emerge.
There's
new
sources
of
content
contamination.
There
may
be
new
regulations,
and
certainly
you
know.
L
So
next
steps
for
the
dws
p2
itself,
as
I
said,
we're
here
tonight,
to
introduce
this
planning
committee
for
your
review
and
then
ultimately,
you're
forwarding
that
to
common
council
for
their
adoption
and,
as
I
said,
that
opens
doors
for
for
funding
and
then
to
convene
the
plan
management
team
and
you
know,
get
everyone
together,
do
kind
of
a
chartering
exercise
or
something
so
that
people
understand
their
roles
and
responsibilities
and
develop
a
an
annual
work
plan
like
okay.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
L
Here's
our
timeline
here
are
our
milestones
and
goals,
and
the
the
good
news
for
this
is
that
the
state
agencies
that
that
we're
we're
working
with
have
proposed
extending
the
contracts
for
the
technical
service
providers
for
another
six
months,
so
that
we
have
a
lot
of
time
to
work
with
the
plan
management
teams
ads
and
get
them
organized
and
also
capture
all
of
the
files
and
data
and
information
that
were
generated
as
part
of
our
framework
investigations.
You
know
the
documentation
of
the
the
nature
of
the
watershed.
L
L
The
department
of
health
has
actually
committed
to
adding
four
statewide
positions
within
their
department
that
are
solely
focused
on
dwsp2,
like
so
supporting
communities
as
they
move
ahead
over
the
years
with
their
dws
teaching
plan.
So
yes,
it's
it's
a
new
program,
but
it's
actually
a
very
proactive
way.
I
think,
to
ensure
protection
of
public
health
resilience
to
climate
change,
a
lot
of
inter-municipal
collaboration.
L
So
we
we
look
forward
to
your
review
and
comments
and
then
we
are
going
to
end
with
this
theme
of,
even
though
this
is
a
a
plan
that
was
developed
in
in
2022.
L
Things
are
going
to
change
right,
new
challenges,
as
I
mentioned
before,
new
regulations,
new
contaminants,
changing
land
use,
invasives
and
changing
climate.
So
the
framework
for
the
ddr32
really
goes
back
to
this
adaptive
management
and
that's
why?
Having
the
annual
reporting
and
milestones
and
kind
of
checkpoints
can
really
help
the
djosb2
become
a
living
document
and
not
meet
the
fate
of
the
swap
plans
which
were
just
kind
of
completed
and
and
set
aside.
L
So
that's
that's
what
we
have
if
we
have
time
for
questions,
lisa
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
A
Yes,
thank
you
liz
and
lauren
for
this
great
report.
This
is
the
kind
of
topic
that
is,
on
everyone's
mind,
safety
of
our
drinking
water
source.
A
I
And
lauren
for
your
presentation
today,
thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that
so
I
you
know
I
was
one
of
the
members
of
the
stakeholder
committee,
so
I
am
sort
of
pitching
a
question
here.
The
first
question
I
have
is:
will
the
report
be
made
available
on
a
city
website,
so
people
can
take
a
look
at
it
in
terms
of
reviewing
and
commenting
on
it.
L
N
Yeah,
I
can
make
a
link
available.
The
report
actually
was
sent
out
to
the
state
and
they
just
gave
comments
back
to
us
at
the
beginning
of
this
week.
So
we
are
going
to
address
their
comments,
finalize
the
report
and
then
we
can
provide
that
to
you.
I
So
I
guess
my
question
would
be
for
staff
if
this
is
something
that
could
be
posted
on
appropriate
location
on
the
city
website,
so
people
would
have
the
opportunity
to
take
a
look
at
it.
My
second
question
is:
could
you
or
perhaps
I'll
look
to
city
staff
to
describe
this
further?
I
know
you
mentioned
that.
Ideally,
we
would,
as
a
common
council,
want
to
adopt
this
plan,
so
it
would
come
back
to
council
for
revoke.
L
Good
good
question
we
did
have
a
meeting
with
mike
thorne
and
roxy
and
nate
carmen
and
others
in
the
department
there
is
there
are.
Estimates
of
here
is
the
kind
of
the
time
commitment
to
do
some
of
these
implementation
efforts,
and
I
don't
know
if
anybody
wants
to
jump
in
here
and
say
that
you
know
probably
a
lot
of
these
tasks
could
be
handled
by
existing
staff,
but
there's
also
the
issue
of
the
the
watershed
inspector
position.
L
So
we
have
a
lab
director,
slash
watershed
coordinator,
working
with
with
the
city
of
ithaca,
but
it
may
be
that
you
know
just
kind
of
thinking
about
existing
staffing
and
also
kind
of
redundancy
and
institutional
knowledge
transfer.
A
N
I
estimate
maybe
a
week
or
two
to
address
the
state
comments
and
just
finalize
stuff,
so
the
end
of
next
week
work.
We
can
make
that
available.
A
I
Yeah.
Thank
you.
It's
definitely
helpful.
I'm
very
much
in
support,
obviously,
of
the
plan
and
the
commitment
going
forward
before
this
comes
back
to
council
for
a
final
vote
of
adoption.
Perhaps
it
could
be
included
in
a
in
a
memo,
along
with
the
resolution
outlining,
for
example,
if
there
are
job
descriptions
that
would
be
required
to
be
maintained
as
a
and
associated
with
these
responsibilities,
as
well
as
any
other
types
of
relationship,
commitments
or
service
commitments
associated
with
this
deal
detailing.
That
would
be
very,
very
helpful.
I
Yeah,
thank
you
mike.
I
saw
mike
turned
his
video
on
so
perhaps
he
has
something
he'd
like
to
add.
O
Sure
yeah,
I
just
want
to
throw
my
support
behind
this
as
well.
The
sediment
issue
is
really
on
my
mind.
Right
now,
as
lauren
mentioned,
we
are
working
with
partnering,
with
judas
to
search
for
a
grants
and
a
strategy
to
deal
with
the
sediment.
That's
built
up
over
the
years,
and
it's
it's
not
a
small
dollar
amount,
it's
rather
large,
and
so,
if
this
opens
the
door
to
or
makes
us
a
little
bit
more
competitive
on
winning
grants,
that's
great,
but
also
in
the
future.
O
It's
causing
not
only
water
quality
issues,
but
it's
it's
causing
just
some
operational
issues
right
now
as
well.
So
this
is
it's
an
important
thing.
It's
a
it's,
an
important
long-term
thing
that
we
need
to
look
at,
which
I
believe
will
save
us
money
in
the
long
run
and
possibly
open
the
doors
for
funding
in
the
short
term.
A
Okay,
well,
we
will
look
forward,
hopefully,
within
a
short
period
of
time,
to
seeing
the
plan
and
being
able
to
comment
on
it.
A
A
A
The
memo
that
you've
provided
luis
highlights
the
fact
that
there
will
be
implementation
that
would
enable
synergies
between
the
city's
electrification
and
decarbonization
strategies
that
we
have
been
referring
to
very
recently,
for
example,
and
the
cca
through
the
cca,
the
city
of
ithaca
would
be
empowered
to
procure
electricity
on
behalf
of
its
residents
from
clean
energy
sources
it
in
your
memo.
A
What
goes
on
with
me
it's
to
say
that
the
concurrent
implementation
of
cca
may
lead
to
a
50
reduction
in
city-wide
carbon
emissions,
and
I
wonder
if
you
can
walk
us
through
the
cca
release
and
in
particular
your
statement
that
excuse
me,
the
cca
may
lead
to
50
reduction
in
city-wide
carbon
emissions.
If
you
can
say
more
about
that,
what
will
be
some
of
the
determinative
factors
leading
to
those
reductions?
So
I'll
turn
it
over
to
louise,
thanks
for
being
here
tonight,.
P
Thank
you
major.
I
just
have
one
question:
are
you
wearing
a
sweater
like
like
it's
like
98
degrees
or
something
but
you're.
P
I'll
believe
you
mayor
so
yeah
the
I
I
had
a
presentation,
but
I
believe
major
just
stole
my
thunder,
so
I'm
gonna
go
directly
into
the
you
know
what
the
major
was
asking
about
right
now.
We
have
calculated
about
400
000
metric
tons
of
co2
equivalent
as
the
emissions
that
we
have
in
the
city,
and
that
is
equivalent
of
having
let's
say,
90
000
vehicles
on,
at
the
same
time,
that's
more
or
less
the
equivalent
of
emissions
that
we
have
in
the
city.
P
And
then,
finally,
we
have
about
five
percent
that
come
from
waste
and
and
what
that
means
is
we
need
to
have
a
strategies
that
you
know
we
will
mitigate
these
these
carbon
emissions
so,
for
example,
for
buildings
to
mitigate
energy
use
inside
the
emissions
that
come
from
energy
use
inside
buildings,
that
is
for
burning,
propane
or
natural
gas
or
fuel
oil.
So
we
can
heat
or
cool
our
places,
etc
or
cooking.
P
We
need
to
replace
anything
that
uses
natural
gas,
so
we
are
doing.
The
electrification
program
is
all
about
that.
It
is
about
using
heat
pumps
to
substitute
what
we
use
to
heat
or
cool
or
cook.
P
We
are
also
looking
into
you
know,
induction
cooktops,
that
is
we're
trying
to
get
our
cooking
stuffs
to
be
much
more
efficient
and
use
electricity
rather
than
natural
gas,
and
that
would
provide
a
better
indoor,
air
quality
and
environment
for
everybody,
and
it
will
have
positive
repercussions
in
terms
of
health,
but
still
when
we
do
that,
the
electricity
that
we're
using
is
is
coming
in
part
from
fossil
fuels.
P
It's
regulated
by
the
public
service
commission
and
the
public
service
commission
works
directly
with
the
utility
company
and
authorizes
investments
in
you
know
in
infrastructure,
for
example,
it
authorizes
new
plants
and
eventually
they
are
the
the
maximum
authority
in
terms
of
electricity
generation
and
gas
supply
for
for
the
city
of
ithaca,
so
we
have
no
control
as
to
where
our
electricity
comes
from,
so
the
way
of
empowering
the
municipality
as
a
way
of
doing
it
about
six
years
ago,
wait
yeah
six
years
ago.
P
I
think
the
public
service
commission
issue
an
order,
and
that
is
the
cca
order
that
empowers
municipalities
to
procure
their
own
electricity
through
an
open,
competitive
process,
and
this
procurement
could
come
from
energy
services.
Companies
that
offer
electricity
produced
only
from
renewable
energy
sources,
for
example.
P
So
we
are
hoping
that
we
can
develop
a
plan
that
can
be
authorized
by
common
council,
so
we
can
implement
a
community
choice,
aggregation
program
that
would
allow
us
to
procure
clean
electricity.
P
P
And
and
the
the
update
that
I
wanted
to
give
I
mean
in
the
memo
I
indicated
that,
right
two
months
ago,
common
council
authorized
staff
to
develop
a
community
choice,
aggregation
program
for
which
we
engage
a
local
power
as
a
consultant
to
help
us
develop
a
number
of
elements
that
are
required
for
a
public
service
commission
to
approve
this.
P
According
to
appendix
d,
annex
the
story
of
the
cca
order,
which
is
referred
to
as
the
cca
rules,
we
need
to
prepare
a
number
of
documents
in
order
for
the
public
service
commission
to
to
agree
to
authorize
the
city
to
to
have
community
choice,
aggregation
and
and
those
include
an
enabling
local
law
that
basically
establishes
the
scope
for
a
cca
program.
Should
it
be
approved
by
both
the
city
and
the
public
service
commission.
P
Also
a
cca
administrator
agreement,
because
a
prospective
cca
administrator
needs
to
be
the
one
filing
on
behalf
of
the
city
before
the
public
service
commission,
the
implementation
plan,
which
also
is
being
developed
as
we
speak.
So
the
intention
is
to
present,
in
a
month
from
now
present
to
pdc
the
enabling
local
law.
P
So
if
pdc
approves
then
go
to
common
council,
so
we
can
get
approval
from
them
and
the
idea
would
be
following
this
local
law,
which
is,
as
I
mentioned,
a
requirement
from
the
public
service
commission
then
present
an
implementation
plan
also
an
impact
on
budget
and
staff
in
the
city
which
we
anticipate
will
be
minimal
and
then
seek
authorization
from
common
council
before
we
can
file
before
the
public
service
commission.
P
A
A
I
I
want
to
be
sure
that
I
am
clear
on
the
second
page
you
referred
to
requiring
the
selection
of
a
cca
administrator
and
the
development
of
a
cca
administrator
agreement,
and
you
talked
about
meeting
enabling
law,
but
you
mentioned
that
the
impact
on
city,
budget
and
city
staffing
would
be
minimal.
P
No,
no
initially,
we
were
considering
the
idea
of
being
somebody
in
city
staff,
but
following
feedback
from
your
office
and
senior
staff.
We
we
decided
that
if
we
were
to
do
that,
the
impact
of
the
city
would
be
would
be
high
more
than
what
you
know.
Honestly,
the
city
staff
and
budget
can
support.
P
It
is
baked
into
the
cca
order
that
the
cca
administrator
can
add
a
fee
to
the
utility
bill,
so
they
can
recover
the
operations
cost,
so
it
will
not
cost
the
city
any
money
and
it
would
be
a
third
party,
so
it
will
not
be
staffed.
Implementing
this
and
the
other
thing
that
changed
was.
We
were
hoping
that
the
clerics
office
will
help
us
with
community
engagement,
but
the
cca
order
also
allows
the
cca
administrator
and
the
energy
company
to
do
engagement
supervised
by
by
the
city.
P
A
You
and
certainly
open
it
up
for
questions
from
committee
members
or,
if
there's
anything
additional
beyond
the
memo
that
you've
provided
at
least
that
you'd
like
to
add.
P
P
One
element
is
we
call
this
an
opt-out
cca,
which
means
that
the
moment
it
is
approved
by
a
public
service
commission
on
the
city
and
it's
rolled
out,
all
residential
customers
will
be
automatically
enrolled,
and
that
means
that
if
they
wish
to
leave
the
cca
they
they
can
do
that
and
they
need
to
notify
the
cca
administrator
that
they
are
doing.
That.
P
It
stands
for
community
choice,
aggregation
and
it
refers
to
the
community
aggregating
their
electricity
needs
and
then
together,
use
that
bargaining
power
to
procure
electricity
in
aggregation.
All
of
us
together
and
the
word
choice
is
in
there
because
it
would
enable
the
city
to
not
only
go
with
naisek
but
to
go
with
anybody
that
produces
electricity
according
to
what
the
city
is
looking
for.
I
Thank
you,
and
I
I
appreciate
the
question
phoebe
and,
and
my
understanding
is
one
of
the
benefits.
Not
only
would
we
be
able
to
determine
the
source
of
electricity
to
ensure
that
they
are
coming
from
from
green
energy
sources,
but
by
because
basically
we're
coming
forward
on
behalf
of
all
residential
properties
in
the
city
being
able
to
bring
in
a
lower
price
than
perhaps
mainstream
quote-unquote
dirty
electricity
sources.
I
I
Okay,
so
I
recall
that
that
was
the
the
guideline
that
we
had
moving
forward.
It
would
be
good
to
know
where
exactly
we
stand
with
that
before
this
comes
to
us
for
a
vote
next
month,
where
we
are
in
terms
of
what
we
anticipate
those
savings
to
be.
I
do
have
some
hesitation.
I
do
with
regards
to
your
statement
that
the
staff
would
actually
be
a
third-party
contractor
and
would
not
be
city
staff
when
this
was
presented
to
us.
I
That
does
provide
clarification,
because
I
know
exactly
who
that
person
works
for
they
work
for
us,
and
their
interests
will
always
be
in
beh
in
the
interests
of
the
city,
whereas
if
it's
a
third
party
contractor,
I'm
not
quite
sure
that
the
the
individual
who
is
managing
this
will
always
have
our
interests.
Our
constituents
interest
first
and
foremost,
since
they
are
a
third-party
contractor.
I
Was
that
considered
as
part
of
the
in
terms
of
this
decision?
To
not
have
this
person
be
city
staff?
I
found
it
very
appealing
that
those
fees
would
come
forward
and
then
and
then
this
would
be
managed
by
the
city
directly.
P
Yeah,
I
think
initially
we
wanted
that,
and
a
little
bit
was
because
we
wanted
more
control,
but
but
the
problem
was
that
it
extends
beyond
sustainability.
It
would
require
the
controller's
office,
then
the
clerk
to
be
involved-
and
that
was
I
mean
right
now.
City
stop
is
stretched
as
it
is.
You
know
it
would
impose
a
burden
on
some
departments
beyond
sustainability,
so
the
feedback
was
important
and
we
didn't
see
a
way
forward.
You
know
imposing
this
on
stuff,
the
most
of
the
ccas
out
there.
P
The
eca
administrators
are
also
regulated
by
the
public
service
commission,
so
they
have
to
perform
a
job
based
on
a
contract
that
we
would
have
with
them.
So
another
thing
that
for
a
third-party
cca
administrator
to
come
in
a
common
council
would
have
to
prove
a
cca
administrator
that,
even
though
there
is
a
template,
we
would
work
to
make
sure
that
it
includes
all
the
protections
for
the
city,
and
I
think
that's
that's
all.
I
I
do
you
know
have
some
concern.
I
know
that
there
you
mentioned
that
many
do
believe
of
nuclear
being
a
clean
source
of
energy.
Of
course,
we
on
kyoga
lake
have
came
close
to
having
a
nuclear
plant
on
our
lake.
You
know
if,
when
we
make
a
choice
with
regards
to
these
sources
of
electricity,
will
council
have
the
ability
to
determine
whether
or
not
nuclear
is
part
of
that
composition.
P
Absolutely
I
think
it
is
for
common
council
to
to
decide.
I
think
what
I
can
do
is
provide
options
and
an
expert
opinion,
but
I
really
believe
that
it's
for
common
council
to
decide
our
expectation
is
that
it's
going
to
be
predominantly
solar,
so
I
it
would
definitely
not
be.
I
don't
expect
it
to
be
controversial.
I
don't
expect
it
to
include
nuclear,
mostly
solar
and
maybe
wind,
but
we
will
not
know
until
we
have
the
rfp,
but
in
the
rfp
we
can
make
sure
that
we
narrow
the
scope
to
only
have
100
renewable
energy.
P
Q
A
B
Yeah,
thank
you
laura.
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
the
staffing
issue.
Luis.
Is
there
any
reason
that
if
you
know
we've
for
very
you
know
logical
practical
reasons,
you
know
we're
going
in
the
direction
of
third
party,
but
and
should
the
situation,
change,
search,
staffing
become
easier
or
our
desire?
We
desire
to
administer
it.
You
know
within
the
city
change
can.
Is
there
any
reason
we
couldn't
make
that
change.
P
Yeah,
absolutely,
I
think
the
I
see
a
benefit
in
having
a
third
party
that
has
done
this
before
being
the
one
helping
us
navigate
the
public
service
commission
and
all
the
regulatory
requirements
at
first,
even
the
rfps
and
probably
after
rolling
it
out
after
realizing.
You
know,
understanding
how
how
it
is
to
operate
then
definitely
the
city
could
take
over
the
cc
administrator
duties
and-
and
I
don't
think
it
should
be
too
complicated.
To
be
honest,.
J
Oh
thanks,
laura
luis.
I
I
think
I
asked
you
this
question
many
months
ago,
but
so
forgive
me.
If
I
ask
it
again,
I
I
assume
you
know
approximately
the
percentage
of
of
houses,
private
houses
in
the
city
that
are
currently
heated
by
natural
gas.
P
J
Okay,
so
so
are
we
are
we
telling
our
constituents
that
they
have
to
replace
their
natural
gas
furnaces
with
electric
source
furnaces.
P
No
we're
we're
not
telling
anybody
that
they
have
to
do
anything,
and-
and
this
is
very
important-
the
major
has
been
you
know
actively.
You
know
reminding
me
that
you
know
we
need
to
communicate
this
to
to
the
community.
It
is
a
voluntary
program.
People
can
decide,
not
participate.
All
we're
doing
is
facilitated
in
case
they
want
to
participate.
P
Cca
is
it's
just
where
you
get
the
electricity
from,
so
it
doesn't
affect
what
you
do.
So
there
is
a
chance
that
somebody
who
decided
not
to
go
for
electrification
not
to
replace
their
furnace
with
heat
pumps,
they
can
still
participate
in
cca
and
the
electricity
use
they
have,
for
whatever
reason
it
is,
it
would
be
from
from
the
cca
sources.
So
if
it
is
all
a
voluntary
program,
there
is
nothing
worth
doing.
That
would
be
mandatory.
J
I
think
that's
very
important
to
remind
people
and-
and
they
could
also
time
their
participation
like
when
the
when
the
the
gasoline,
the
earth,
the
natural
gas
stove
kicks
the
bucket.
You
can
switch
to
a
electric
stove
and
and
the
same
with
heat
pumps
and
the
furnace.
P
Yeah
it
it
makes
all
the
sense
in
the
world
church
and
and
that's
precisely
the
reason
why
we
we
are
making
this
a
voluntary
program.
I
mean
there
wouldn't
be
any
point
in
making
it
mandatory.
The
numbers
wouldn't
work
out.
You
know
what
we
have
is
the
opportunity
of
using.
You
know
you
have
heat
pump
to
replace
a
heating
system,
but
it
provides
at
the
same
time,
air
conditioning.
P
A
Thank
you,
george
for
that
question
and
louise
thank
you
for
once
again
providing
that
that
answer.
I've
asked
that
question.
As
you
know
repeatedly,
and
the
reason
I
have
asked
that
question
more
than
once
is
that
it
is
the
question
I
hear
from
constituents,
so
I
do
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
Phoebe
did
you
have
another
question.
H
Yes-
and
this
may
sound-
I
don't
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
understand,
because
this
is
new
for
me
when
we
talk
about
third
party,
it
just
made
me
go
straight
to
thinking
about
all
these
calls.
I
get
from
all
these
different
people
trying
to
get
me
to
to
join
their
their
company
and
stuff.
So
when
we
say
third
party
right
is
that
like
hiring
someone
from
the
outside
to
take
care
of
a
lot
of
what's
happening
in
ithaca.
P
What
we're
talking
about
is,
let
me
go
back.
The
the
phone
calls
that
you're
getting
are
from
companies,
sometimes
offering
a
block
of
renewable
energy
that
you
can
buy
from
them
and
what
they
do
is
they
produce
renewable
energy,
sell
it
to
nice,
egg
and
nice
egg
allocates
that
to
you,
so
they
are
convincing
you
to
work
with
them
in
that
matter.
The
what
we
are
going
to
be
doing
here
is
all
the
electricity
is
going
to
come
from
one
source
that
we
are
going
to
select.
P
That
could
be
from
some
of
those
companies
that
are
calling
you,
but
you
have
the
the
company
that
generates
electricity
nysec
will
continue
delivering
electricity.
They
are
the
owners
of
all
the
cables
and
all
the
poles,
and
then
you
will
be
on
the
other
side,
but
now
that
we
are
procuring
from
somewhere
else,
you
know
somebody
has
to
manage
billing.
For
example,
okay,.
H
P
C
H
C
A
Okay,
so
luis,
we
will
see
you
in
august
at
pedc
for
another
update
and
perhaps
action
on
the
local
law.
P
Yeah,
yes,
okay,
I
just
wanna,
add
a
couple
of
things
very
quickly.
One
of
them
is
we're
working
very
closely
with
the
town
of
itaca,
with
nick
goldsmith.
We
are
developing
simultaneously
cca
for
the
city
of
ita
and
the
town
of
itakan,
and
I
think
that
is
important.
The
more
we
are,
the
more
bargaining
power
we're
going
to
have
to
negotiate
a
better
price
of
electricity
and
we're
also
working
with
the
rest
of
the
county.
P
A
Hey!
Thank
you!
We'll
now
return
to
megan
and
we
do
have
a
voting
item,
and
this
is
a
voting
item
for
circulation,
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
everyone
that
for
circulation
means
that
it
will,
after
our
discussion
tonight,
be
sent
for
additional
comments
to
other
city
staff
and
others.
A
So
this
is
something
that
I'll
turn
back
over
to
megan
and
I
will
just
add
as
introduction.
It
is
not
unusual
that
we
find
ourselves.
We
common
council,
find
ourselves
in
a
position
of
doing
updates
on
policies
on
things
such
as
the
definitions
tonight.
We're
talking
about
definitions
of
a
story
and
definitions
of
of
basement.
K
K
Of
course,
so
I
just
wanted
to
again,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
presentation
there'll
be
times
where
we
need
to
come
back
and
make
some
tweaks
and
changes
that
are
to
the
zoning
ordinance,
and
one
of
these
is
before
you
this
evening
for
consideration
and
as
laura
as
the
mayor
mentioned.
K
It's
for
approval
to
circulate,
which
sends
it
out
for
additional
comments
from
county
staff,
neighborhood
groups
and
such
so
we've
had
some
discussions
internally
recently
about
building
story
height,
and
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
that
the
zoning
ordinance's
definition
of
story
is
different
from
what's
in
building
code
and
what
this
often
can
mean,
and
it's
because
of
whether
a
basement
is
considered
a
story
is
worded
differently
under
the
state's
code
in
zoning.
K
This
just
adds
a
lot
of
confusion
for
everyone
staff
for
project
teams,
property
owners.
So
we
found
it
in
general,
one
possible.
It's
best
to
have
a
consistent
definitions
and
methodology
between
building
code
and
zoning.
We
can't
change
the
state's
code,
so
that
leaves
us
to
change
zoning,
so
we,
as
I
mentioned,
I
think
we
did
this
recently.
I
guess
last
fall
to
bring
the
measurement
for
grade
plane
into
identical
language
to
what
new
york
state
building
code
requires.
K
A
You
have
highlighted
the
change
changes
in
the
ordinance,
so
in
terms
of
basement,
it
states
that
space
of
a
building
that
is
partly
below
grade,
which
has
more
than
half
of
its
height,
measured
from
floor
to
ceiling
above
the
and
what
is
being
replaced
here
ground
level.
At
any
point
correct,
that's
the
change
being
proposed.
K
A
Story,
the
portion
of
a
building
which
is
between
one
floor
level
and
the
next
higher
floor
level
or
the
roof
a
mezzanine
as
defined
in
the
new
york
state.
Uniform
fire
prevention
and
building
code
is
not
a
story.
A
A
basement
shall
be
deemed
to
be
a
story
when,
and
here
is
the
replacement.
The
finished
surface
of
the
floor
next
above
is
one
more
than
six
feet
above
grade
plane
or
two
more
than
twelve
feet
above
the
finished
ground
level.
At
any
point,
a
seller
shall
not
be
deemed
a
story.
An
attic
shall
not
be
deemed
to
be
a
story
if
unfinished
and
without
human
occupancy.
A
So
those
are
the
highlighted
changes
that
you've
included.
I
don't
believe
megan
correct
me
if
I'm
misstating
or
not
completely
standing,
so
those
are
the
changes
being
proposed
and
again
these
changes
are
so
that
there
is
not
a
difference
between
the
state
code,
zoning
and
the
the
or
the
state
code
building
code
and
our
code.
So
it
is
for
consistency
purposes.
I
Thank
you.
I
definitely
appreciate
the
need
for
clarity
and
consistency
along
with
the
new
york
state
building
code.
I'm
sure
it
must
be
frustrating
for
staff
when
you're
not
quite
sure
which
way
you're
supposed
to
interpret
appropriate
height.
So
just
for
clarification,
both
definitions
are
consistent
with
new
york
state
building
code,
or
is
it
just
the
basement
definition.
K
This
would
make
them
both
consistent
with
new
york,
state
building
code
and
you're
right.
It's
both
both
are
related
to
the
basement
issue,
though.
I
And
one
of
the
things-
and
I
realized
this-
is
just
for
circulation,
so
of
course
I
I
agree
we
should
circulate
it.
I
did
have
a
little
bit
back
and
forth
with
with
megan
on
this
and
and
looked
up
the
definition
of
great
plane,
which
I
do
believe
is
the
average.
I
If
you
measure
six
feet
out
from
the
side
of
the
structure,
what
is
the
average
grade
plane
and
you
know
the
the
places
that
this
definitely
comes
to
play
for
me
is
south
hill
and
college
home,
where
you
might
have
say,
for
example,
in
college
town
or
south
hill,
the
the
building
facing
the
street
will
appear
as
a
full,
10
or
12
feet
in
terms
of
the
story,
but
the
other
three
remaining
walls
may
actually
be
completely
underground,
and
so
by
this
definition
it
would
be
a
basement,
and
so,
when
you're
looking
at
zoning-
and
you
say
we
approve
five
stories
from
the
street-
it
would
appear
to
be
six
because
the
first
floor
would
actually
be
a
basement.
I
So
I
don't
know,
I
think,
more
than
anything
as
we
look
at
zoning,
how?
How
does
this
change?
Does?
This
actually
add
a
floor
on
any
sides
of
the
street
where
the
front
that
faces
the
street
and
the
back
side
of
the
property
would
be
underground.
K
So
I
actually
think
it
will
have
so
we
have
that
now
I
will
say-
and
I
think
this
will
actually
have
the
opposite
effect
in
a
way,
because
that
number
two
which
is
being
added
here,
is
not
in
our
current
zoning
ordinance,
so
the
other
it
counts
as
a
story
if
it's
six
feet
above
grade
plane,
which
has
been
a
past
interpretation
or
more
than
12
feet
above
the
finished
ground
level.
At
any
point.
K
So
what
that
means
is
in
that
example,
cynthia
that
you
just
mentioned
where
the
full
side
of
the
story
is
exposed
on,
like
the
street
side,
that's
now
going
to
count
as
a
story
because,
like
you
said
if
it
is
12
feet,
it'll
it's
12
feet
above
finished
grade,
whereas
now
because
that
average
grade
plane,
because
it's
settled
in
the
hill
that
provision's
not
in
there.
That
said,
I
will
absolutely
agree
that
that's
not
going
to
catch
all
of
these
and
there
are
still
going
to
be
on
on
steep
slopes.
K
There
will
be
cases
where
there's
a
basement
that
you
know,
maybe
only
nine
feet
of
the
story,
is
out
of
the
ground
or
10
feet
when
that
second
provision
is
12
and
then
the
soap
slope
is
steep
enough,
that
the
average
grade
plane
it'll
be
less
than
six
feet
between
grade
plane
and
the
ceiling.
So
there
are
still
cases
where
a
basement
would
count.
So
I
would
say
that
I
think
this
is
a
a
little.
There
are
certainly
new
buildings
that
have
gone
through
that
weren't.
K
K
I
don't
know
if
that
helped
make
sense
or
helps,
but
I
think
it
takes
it
a
little
bit
further
in
addition
to
consistency,
but
at
the
same
time,
if
the
concern
is
not
wanting
to
have
any,
you
know
basement,
that
appears
as
a
significant
portion
of
a
story
on
any
side
that
would
be
that
would
be
different
and
that
language
won't
get
to
that
point.
C
A
C
I
Yeah.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
clarification.
Thank
you
so
much.
I
I'm
just
trying
to
think
back
to
areas
of
the
city
where
we
actually
required
12
feet
for
a
story
and
for
some
reason,
I'm
only
thinking
of
like
sections
of
college,
town
and
downtown,
but
I
believe
the
rest
of
the
city
is
only
required
at
10
feet.
So
yeah
you
can't
see
how
it
wouldn't
catch
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
A
A
Raise
your
hand,
thank
you
that
counts
all
four
of
us
and,
of
course,
I
will
just
say
that
after
circulation,
this
will
return
for
something
more
more
specific
resolution.
Once
we
have
input
from
other
staff.
Okay,
thank
you.
Megan.
A
Okay.
Thank
you.
Let's
now
move
on
to
the
amendment
to
the
ithaca
farmers
market
lease
and
this
is
to
support
a
park
and
ride
and
nels.
Thank
you
for
being
with
us
tonight.
A
We
do
have
a
memo
in
the
packet
and
a
resolution,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
nails
to
describe
this
and,
of
course,
we've
discussed
this
at
the
iura
as
well.
R
Correct,
yes,
yeah.
I
think
this
looks
like
the
only
potential
action
item
on
the
agenda
tonight,
so
the
farmer's
market
has
requested
permission
to
operate
a
park
and
ride
at
the
parking
lot
of
steamboat
landing
where
they
operate
the
farmer's
market.
R
This
is
a
piece
of
property
that
is
owned
by
the
city
and
leased
by
the
city
to
the
urban
renewal
agency,
who
in
turn
subleases
it
to
the
ithaca
farmers
market
cooperative
inc,
and
it
was
structured
that
way,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
special
considerations
in
terms
of
the
lease
and
one
of
the
goals
was
to
facilitate
a
farmers
market,
but
also
maintain
public
use
of
the
property
when
the
market's
not
in
operation,
so
that
lease
had
some
very
specific
provisions
for
allowed
uses.
R
It
required
the
market
to
operate
at
least
a
certain
amount
of
time.
You
know
twice
a
week
six
months
of
the
year,
minimum
also
allowed
use
of
the
pavilion
for
private
events,
but
it
did
not
authorize
a
parking
ride
specifically.
So
we
wanted
to
bring
this
back
to
the
both
the
ira
and
the
common
council
for
consideration
as
an
accessory
used
to
be
permitted
in
the
lease.
R
R
So
the
the
the
proposal
before
you
is
to
a
recommendation
to
amend
the
release
to
authorize
a
parking
rate
of
up
to
50
vehicles.
R
They
do
have
about
300
parking
spaces
at
the
site,
so
it
still
provides
plenty
of
additional
parking
that
would
not
be
impacted
by
by
the
park
and
ride
use
and
also
builds
in
some
protections
to
make
sure
that
it
doesn't
have
a
nature
of
privatizing
those
spaces.
So,
for
example,
the
park
and
ride
users
would
not
have
designated
reserve
spaces
that
have
a
right
to
hunt
for
parking
spaces
in
in
the
parking
lot,
but
they
would
not
be
able
to
take
on
any
kind
of
private
or
private
character.
R
To
that,
and
that's
part
of
the
protections
built
into
the
conditions
for
authorizing
the
lease,
it
also
would
require
the
director
of
parking
and
transportation
to
approve
any
signage
and
informational
signage.
They
would
they
iraq
to
again
confirm
that
that
that
nature,
that
it's
not
being
overly
privatized.
R
A
Thank
you
nels
question
about
any
potential
city
liability.
A
If
an
individual
is
using
this
for
park
and
ride
and,
for
example,
a
car
is
either
broken
into
or
there's
a
fender
bender
you
know,
someone's
vehicle
is
is
damaged.
Does
the
city
have
any
liability.
R
We
do
have
provisions
in
the
current
lease
that
the
commerce
market
must
maintain
liability
coverage
so
that
the
performance
market
would
be
operating
this
and
still
have
to
indemnify
the
city
and,
secondly,
we're
additionally
requiring
as
a
condition
of
approval
that
any
commercial
operator
of
the
park
and
ride
would
have
to
to
also
provide
insurance
listing
the
city
and
the
urban
renewal
renewal
agency.
As
additionally
insured
parties.
A
Thank
you
and,
as
you
point
out,
reducing
the
single
occupancy
vehicle
use
in
the
city
is
a
goal
of
the
plan,
our
city's
plan.
It
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
make
use
of
this
parking
area
when
it
is
not
in
use
monday
through
friday,
and
thereby
reducing
some
of
the
single
occupancy
vehicle
use
in
the
city.
Cynthia.
I
Thank
you.
I
I
think
this
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I'm
presuming
that
the
farmer's
market
or
our
bus
will
be
responsible
for
making
sure
that
this
does
not
become
a
site
for
long-term
parking
or
say
you
want
to
go
to
courting
for
the
weekend
and
just
leave
your
car
there
for
the
weekend
and
they'll
be
overseeing
that
and
making
sure
it
doesn't
get
used
in
that
way.
R
I
A
H
When
you
asked
when
the
mayor
asked
about,
would
the
city
be
liable
of
any
accident
any
I
didn't
really
understand.
What
did
you
say?
Yes
or
no?
You
said
something
about
what
was
in
their,
I
guess
lease
or
whatever.
But
my
question
is:
will
the
city
be
responsible
if
there's
an
accident
or
you
know
yeah
if
anything
happened
on
that
property
between
monday
and
friday,.
R
The
answer
is
they
shouldn't
be
the
the
way
this
leases
structure,
the
farmers
market
would
be
responsible
and
they
have
to
have
insurance
indemnifying,
the
city.
However,
you
know
if
this,
if
somebody
can
point
out
that
the
city
was
somehow
grossly
negligent
in
doing
something
on
the
site,
even
though
it's
managed
by
the
farmers
market
there's
always
a
possibility,
somebody
can
be
sued.
R
If
the
city,
you
know
parked
a
trailer
on
this
site
for
some
reason-
and
that
became
you
know
somehow
rolled
away
and
hit
a
car,
there's
always
a
potential
for
some
liability,
but
it's
really
structured
to
minimize
that
and
and
essentially
try
to
eliminate
that
risk.
It
is
a
city-owned
property.
H
A
So
we
will
take
this
forward
to
common
council
for
their
consideration
of
this
resolution.
A
A
And
nels,
thank
you
for
staying
with
us
for
the
next
agenda
item,
which
is
7a
response
to
unhoused
proposals
and
reports
and
next
steps.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
nails.
R
Thank
you,
but
what
I
would
hope
to
do
with
this
memo
and
and
have
this
discussion
with
with
the
community,
is
to
the
committee's
received
a
number
of
reports
and
proposals
over
the
last
several
months,
all
related
to
the
issue
of
chronic
homelessness
and
and
encampments
on
city
property.
So
I'm
hoping
to
try
to
synthesize
some
of
those
reports
for
you
very
briefly
in
this
memo
and
then
suggest
some
potential.
C
R
That
the
council
can
move
forward
on
because
I
think
there's
a
pretty
broad
agreement
that
the
status
quo
is
not
really
achieving
good
results
for
people
who
are
are
living
unsheltered
or
or
s
or
neighborhoods
or
or
the
city's
useless
property.
So
we
want
to
try
to
see
if
there's
some
way
we
can
move
forward
again.
The
goals
have
been
when
we've
discussed
it
in
the
past
is
how
can
we
build
the
most
successful
homeless
response
system
in
support
with
the
community
of
care
and
hopkins
county?
R
R
So
this
is
going
to
take
a
leap
of
some
initiative
by
the
city
to
move
forward
on
some
of
these
issues
and
we're
trying
to
bring
forward
some
ideas
for
you
to
consider
and
how
you
can
move
forward.
So
in
general
speaking,
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
the
reports
that
you've
received
recently
have
been
the
the
needs
assessment.
Homeless.
Housing
needs
assessment
for
champions
county
that
lady
barger
and
simone
getzen
provided
a.
R
R
The
first
report
concluded
that
there's
a
shortage
of
affordable
transitional
and
permanent
supportive
housing
in
our
response
system,
which
is
leading
to
people
cycling
in
and
out
of
emergency
shelter,
housing
during
the
winter
and
on
sanctioned
encampments
in
the
warmest
months
of
the
year,
and
that
pro
that
that
that
seems
to
be
a
growing
issue.
It's
not
staying
steady,
it's
not
it's!
R
It
recedes
in
winter,
but
it
grows
back
and
we
probably
have
somewhere
in
the
nature
of
75
individuals
who
are
now
camping,
you
know,
or
on
chilton
living
unsheltered,
that
that
can
be
counted.
There
may
be
more
that
we
have
difficult
counting.
R
The
encampment
policy
was
really
focusing
on
the
city's
policy
and
its
responsibilities
regarding
land
management
and
its
use
of
its
property.
It
really
warned
that
our
current
tacit
acceptance
policy
for
camping
is
is
going
to
likely
lead
to
a
growing
number
of
encampments
and
probably
the
spread
of
additional
locations
for
encampments
and
that
it
in
some
ways
enables
that
kind
of
cycling
in
and
out
between
encampments.
You
know
you
know
the
emergency
shelter
in
the
winter
and
camping
out
in
the
summer.
R
It
also
encouraged
seeking
out
proposals
that
would
address
the
problem
and
strengthen
the
support
system,
and
it
suggested
a
request
for
expression
of
interest
would
be
one
way
to
elicit
interest
from
not-for-profit
groups
and
others
on
potential
solutions
to
strengthen
the
homeless
response
system.
R
The
proposals
we
have
received
so
far
chris
you're,
going
to
speak
in
some
detail
about
the
tides
proposal,
which
is
really
responding
to
some
of
the
same
issues
that
were
identified
in
these
prior
reports,
so
that
you
know,
there's
been
the
tides
proposal
which
you
will
hear
much
more
detail
about
later
on
today
and
secondly,
there
was
a
proposal
for
a
solar
array
system
on
the
on
the
southwest
property
and
by
the
city,
and
that
solar
array,
you
know,
could
would
utilize
much
of
the
site
for
that,
but
could
also
generate
an
income
stream
that
could
be
used
to
support
an
initiative.
R
It
also
would
potentially
compete
for
use
of
the
southwest
area
with
the
department
of
public
works,
which
uses
that
site
for
clean
fill
and
and
could
either
support
or
compete
with
a
use
of
southwest
that
would
be
dedicated
towards
a
facility
addressing
homeless
housing
such
as
tides
or
another
facility.
So
there
are
some
questions
about
you
know
what
is
the
priority
use
of
that
property
in
a
that's
a
city
decision?
R
So
these
are
really
a
lot
of
mostly
policy
questions
that
need
to
be
addressed
to
get
to
the
bottom
of
most
issues.
R
I've
identified
seven
different
potential
action,
steps
that
the
city
could
take
at
this
point
if
they
wanted
to
move
forward
on
the
issue
and
I'll
just
quickly,
go
through
them
and
not
go
in
great
detail,
but
I'm
sure
there'll
be
a
lot
of
discussion
and
tried
to
describe
them
in
the
memo
as
well,
but
just
to
identify
them
one
more
time
and
give
a
little
bit
of
flavor
to
those
one
is
to
for
the
city
to
move
forward
towards
issuing
a
request
for
expressions
of
I'm
sorry
request
for
proposals
for
a
sanctioned
encampment.
R
That
would
be
a
competitive
process
where
the
city
would
issue
a
request
for
a
a
sanctioned
encampment
on
city
land
and
look
for
responses
and
figure
out.
If
that's,
if
a
response
is
received
that
the
city
can
support,
it
doesn't
bind
the
city
to
go
forward,
but
it
does
build
the
expectation
that
the
city
would
move
forward
on
that
that
that's
that's
one
option.
The
second
option
is
one
I
mentioned
earlier
is
the
request
for
expressions
of
interest.
R
A
request
for
expressions
interest
has
no
binding
component
to
it
to
either
the
applicant
or
the
or
the
issuer.
So
it's
really
a
way
to
start
the
process
of
exploring
what
might
be
our
process.
What
might
be
a
proposal
out
there
that
the
city
would
be
interested
in?
It
would
usually
lead
to
further
negotiations,
or
eventually
issuance
of
an
rfp
or
a
request
for
qualifications.
R
Maybe
there
is
a
possibility
that
the
request
for
expressions
of
interest
could
be
issued
in
collaboration
with
the
continuum
of
care
or
and
or
the
time
champions
county.
If
those
players
were
on
board
seeking
out,
you
know
seriously
seeking
out
solutions
and
realizing
that
there's
going
to
be
in
all
likelihood,
a
need
for
the
city
or
public
agencies
to
play
a
role
in
those
projects.
It
could
be
providing
land
could
be
infrastructure,
it
could
be
applying
for
grants.
R
R
Then
number
three
was
to
work
primarily
on
the
city,
land,
encampment
policy,
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
policy
by
appointing
a
working
group
to
help
develop
that
policy
and
bring
something
forward
to
the
council.
To
consider
that
would
also,
you
know,
give
guidance
to
city
staff
and
how
to
respond
to
issues
when
they
get
a
complaint
or
when
they
see
an
encampment
number
number
four
is
to
come
back
to
that
issue
of
southwest
land
area
and
and
develop
a
kind
of
a
future
use
land
plan
for
that
area.
R
With
the
goal
of
trying
to
prioritize
what
are
the
priority
uses
of
that
property?
Should
it
be
encampments
and
projects
that
respond
to
homeless
housing?
Should
it
be
primarily
the
department
of
public
works
kind
of
facility,
or
should
it
should
it
be
a
solar
array
kind
of
project,
or
is
there
some
mix
of
those
three
together,
two
or
three
together?
That
should
be
the
best
use
of
that
property
without
any
clarity
on
what
land
is
available.
R
It's
hard
to
figure
out
how
to
move
forward
on
any
of
those
projects
that
involve
southwest
the
solar
array.
I
understand
has
already
moved
forward
on
its
on
its
initial
permission,
to
explore
that
project.
So
we
can
check
that
when
off
is
done,
the
the
the
solar
array
is
exploring
the
feasibility.
R
It
was
kind
of
like
a
start
on
the
on
the
city
policy,
really
with
a
goal
to
figure
out
how
could
the
city
best
prevent
spread
of
encampments
to
additional
city
properties,
and
that
would
involve
perhaps
things
like,
such
as
posting
signs
erecting
fences,
developing
plans
for
use
of
public
property
that
would
improve
them
and
maybe
manage
the
vegetation.
C
R
R
It's
a
pretty
in-depth
application
process
to
go
forward
through
and
some
people
don't
are
not
successful,
navigating
that
process
so
that
that
last
one
would
be
to
ask
the
county
to
work
with
the
city,
to
think
about
strategies
to
improve
that
access
to
the
through
the
the
shelter
or
maybe,
potentially
even
you
know,
some
sort
of
a
specialized
low
barrier,
emergency
shelter
so
got
a
range
of
activities
from
one
through
through
seven
here
and
we'll
hope
to
engage
the
committee
in
some
discussion
of
what
policy
approach
you
would
like
to
pursue.
R
A
Thank
you,
nels
and,
as
always,
thank
you
for
this
very
helpful
memo
and
laying
out
these
seven
action.
Steps
possible
action,
steps,
comments,
questions
from
committee
members
on
these
action
steps
under
consideration.
A
Well,
I
will
state
that
the
tacit
acceptance
policy
is
not
one
that
is
working.
A
It
is
not
helpful
to
the
city,
it
is
not
helpful
to
unhoused
residents.
It
is
not
helpful
to
the
community
at
large
and
doesn't
address
some
of
the
issues
that
contribute
to
the
growing
homeless,
encampments.
A
A
However,
I
think
it
would
need
to
be
a
policy
that
we're
getting
input
and
collaboration
from
from
the
county.
So
I'll
just
put
that
out.
There
george,
I
see
your
hand
up.
J
Obviously,
this
extremely
complex
issue,
the
the
weakness
I
see
in
going
with
that
second
recommendation
of
just
opening
it
up
for
a
number
of
potential
avenues
forward,
is
that
that
would
take
a
lot
of
time,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
time
before
we.
We
need
to
do
something
and
the
tides
proposal
is
is
pretty
far
along.
It's
not
the
entire
answer
to
homelessness
in
the
in
the
jungle.
A
Thank
you,
george,
and
I
appreciate
you
expressing
the
urgency
around
this
issue
and
urgency
that
I
think
we
a
number
of
people
share
the
we'll
talk
about
the
tides
proposal.
The
total
cost
estimate
for
construction
is
a
bit
daunting
when
you
say
that
the
tides
proposal
is
pretty
far
along.
A
I
don't
know
how
far
along
it
is
when
I
look
at
the
the
cost
and
the
fact
that
we
do
not
have
land
identified,
but
we
can
turn
to
that
in
a
moment.
So
george,
you
do
not
think
that
the
rvi
approach
is
one
that
makes
sense
because
it
will
take
longer.
A
I
I
don't
think
any
member
of
our
team
disputes
that
the
building
of
homes,
the
providing
access
to
affordable
or
or
no
income
housing
when
we
are
in
an
environment
where,
where
rent
is
so
high
and
we
have
less
than
a
five
percent
vacancy
rate,
the
time
delay
that
it
takes
to
actually
create
those
units
that
that
provides
homes
to
individuals
is,
is
what
we're
facing.
That's
the
challenge
we
have.
So,
yes,
by
all
means
we,
the
city
we
the
county.
I
We,
the
community,
must
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
provide
more
housing
that
people
can
can
afford
and
move
into.
I
What
do
we
do
in
the
meantime,
and
this
is
what
the
the
sanction
encampment
is
hoping
to
create
a
a
safe,
legally
appropriate
shelter
that
would
provide
safety
and
oversight
to
individuals
so
that
they
can
make
sure
that
they
are
physically
safe.
Their
health
is
safe,
they're,
they're,
safe
from
from
abuse
and
violence,
and
that
they
would
have
access
to
to
wrap
around
services.
That
is
what
we
envision
a
sanctioned
encampment
being
able
to
provide.
I
I
will
say
I
have
physically
seen
sanctioned
encampments
in
places
like
portland
oregon,
which
I
was
a
couple
months
ago.
I
know
others
have
visited
other
sites
that
are
not
what
we
are
modeling,
we
are
are
definitely
looking
for,
creating
an
environment
which
is
humane
and
attractive,
but
I
I
do
fear
that
the
longer
we
go
without
doing
something,
the
the
greater
the
problem
builds.
I
The
more
individuals
come
to
the
area,
because
we
have
a
reputation
for
being
service
rich
and
having
no
response
to
unsanctioned
homelessness
or
unsanctioned
encampments,
and
this
population
is
growing.
We
are,
we
are
a
very
attractive
location
and
as
this
population
grows,
if
we
were
to
create
this
site
in
a
year
from
now
or
even
longer,
it
may
end
up
looking
like
what
I'm
seeing
in
portland
and
other
areas,
and
that
is
not
what
we
want.
So
I
agree
with
george.
I
I
Mayor
louis,
you
identified
the
very
thing
that
really
keeps
us
as
a
group
from
coming
forward
with
something
solid.
We
don't
know
if
the
city
is
designating
a
sanctioned
encampment
site.
As
a
bonafide
government
function,
what
property
the
city
would
provide,
what
infrastructure
the
city
would
provide
what
services
might
be
available,
and
so
it's
very
hard
to
come
up
with
a
proposal
and
really
a
cost
estimate
for
construction
and
even
labor
when
we
don't
know
what
the
city
would
be
able
to
offer
in
terms
of
in-kind
services
or
other
supports.
I
So
having
council
put
forward
a
request
for
proposals,
we
did
submit
for
your
consideration.
What
a
draft
rfp
would
look
like.
There
are
some
blanks
of
what
the
city
would
be
contributing
and
having
that
information
will
allow.
I
Right
and
and
well
for
example,
if
you
look
at
the
map,
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
am
concerned
about
is
where
exactly
these
four
acres
would
be
located
right
because
of
the
wetlands
because
of
the
the
physical
constraints
on
the
site.
Obviously,
the
numbers
for
construction
will
be
dependent
on
how
long
those
you
know
how
how
far
do
we
run
the
electrical
lines,
the
water
lines,
the
sewer
lines,
other
things
you
know
will:
will
we
have
to
build
a
road?
Will
the
city
build
a
road
for
us?
I
You
know
things
like
that,
so
these
are
guesstimates,
but
obviously
there
are
things
that
would
change
depending
on
where
the
city
determines
the
size,
the
location.
You
know
all
of
those
things.
A
Other
comments,
phoebe.
H
So
for
after
listening
to
the
comments
that
were
made
from
the
community,
what
I'm
feeling
is
that
the
longer
we
wait
right,
the
I
kind
of
agree
with
cynthia
the
longer
we
wait,
the
more
concerns
we
will
have
about
about
the
the
unhoused
population.
That's
a
new
one.
When
did
that
that
label
come
up,
I
don't
know,
but
the
homelessness.
You
know
I
go
to
other
cities
and
stuff
and
I
see
the
homelessness
and
you
know
we
I
haven't
been
in
the
jungle.
H
H
I
I
think
that's
his
name
and
I
forgot
the
other
gentleman
who's
already
begun
to
build
these
small
houses
for
people
right,
so
we
have
a
model
of
what
works
and
that
we
see
what's
his
name.
I
can't
remember,
but
we
have
we've
seen
a
model
that
work
so.
H
Yeah,
so
what
what
I?
What
what
I'm
feeling
is,
so
I'm
not
really
understanding
sh
fully
about
these
places
that
the
city
has
that
are
already
campsites
or
they're,
not
campsites,
right
right,
but
they're.
We
we
have
spaces
that
we
can
do
something
with
right
and
so
mike
well
not
a
concern,
but
if
there's
something
that
we
can
do
that
can
begin
the
process.
H
Even
if
it's
not
is
expensive
or
you
know,
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
knowing
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community
that
may
even
be
willing
to
help
out
with
the
cost.
You
know,
because
they're
worried
about
their
their
backyards
and
their
businesses
and
their
different
things.
So
so
I
just
want
I
just
want
to
kind
of-
and
maybe
I'm
not
saying
it
right,
but
I
just
think
that
what
we've
seen
happen
in
other
cities
with
homelessness
is
something
we
don't
want
to
see
here.
H
I
know
the
jungle's
been
in
existence
since
I
moved
to
ithaca,
but
I
know
that
it's
become
more.
How
can
I
say
it
constraints
on
people?
H
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
make
sure
that
we
do
something:
that's
sustainable,
something
that
is
going
to
move
people
from
one
place
to
to
a
place
of
of
not
struggling
but
maintenance.
I
don't
know
what
I
what
what
I'm
saying
is.
I
I
just
agree.
I
agree
that
if
we
have
some
land
that
we
can
use,
let's
not
just
wait.
I
don't
know.
A
Well,
that
that
is
a
good
point
and
a
good
question,
and
that
is
what
land
is
available
for
use
for
something
like
a
sanctioned
encampment,
and
I
just
want
to
put
that
out.
There
we've
had
a
number
of
discussions
around
that
and
there
is
a
working
group
that
george
cynthia
and
nells
are
part
of.
A
So
can
you
comment
on
the?
Is
there
more
than
one
site
under
consideration?
The
amount
of
land
that
would
be
proposed
for
a
sanctioned
encampment
is
four
acres
and
carmen.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight,
too,
and
you're
also
on
the
the
working
group.
So
let
me
turn
it
over
to
those
of
you
on
the
working
group,
for
you
know,
expression
of
what
sites
have
been
considered
and
are
they
only
sites
in
the
city
being
considered.
I
So
if
I
may,
I
had
spoken
with
chris
that
he
would
speak
on
behalf
of
the
group
of
what
we
were
proposing
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
chris,
who
is
the
original
director
for
the
st
john
community
center.
Q
Oh,
oh
thanks.
Cynthia
good.
C
Evening,
mayor.
Q
Lewis
and
and
council,
I
think
people
have
seen
the
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
the
tides
proposal.
I
think
the
site
that
we
have
really
talked
about
at
southwest
park,
or
some
section
of
it
I'm
not
aware
of
another
spot.
Q
I
will
say,
however,
that
in
sort
of
other
conversations-
and
this
alludes
back
to
what
phoebe
mentioned-
ms
brown-
that
other
businesses
have
in
fact
offered
to
help-
and
I
think
and
in
fact
they've
been
offers
of
land
from
businesses,
and
I
think
I
think
right
now
what
people
are
really
looking
for
is
a
moment
of
leadership,
especially
from
the
city
to
say,
we're
we're
carrying
the
flag
in
line
behind
us,
and
then
I
think
I
would
be
confident
in
saying
that
we
would
then
begin
to
hear
from
businesses
saying
cool.
Q
Q
What
can
we
do
about
helping
to
support
your
ongoing
costs,
because,
right
now
the
situation
is
impacting
business,
businesses
are
being
taxed,
there's
an
unspoken
tax
that
businesses
are
having
to
bear
right
now
and
I
think
they'd
rather
just
pay
that
tax
up
front.
You
know
and
know
what
that
tax
is
going
to
be
every
year.
Carmen
gidi
has
already
successfully
done
this
with
second
wind.
A
large
portion
of
second
wind
was
built
by
people
showing
up
with
hammers
by
people
donating
things.
Q
Carmen
can
correct
me
if
I'm
misspeaking,
so
so
all
this
a
lot.
This
has
already
happened.
One
thing
that
I
would
like,
if
you
would,
if
you
would
indulge
me
insert
so
I
don't
waste
people
so
much
time
going
over
the
boring
nuts
and
bolts,
and
so
on
is
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
public
pushback
against
this.
People
are
especially
scared
of
some
type
of,
like
you
know,
police
sweep
with
bulldozers
and
kicking
people,
other
tents
and
stuff,
which
I
could
never
imagine
happening
in
ithaca.
Q
You
know,
I
don't
think
we're
like
a
rachel
cory
incident
here.
Something
like
that
right.
This
is
this
is
not
what
we're
talking
about
and
we're
also
talking
about
getting
people
to
a
place
where
the
city
and
county
can
fulfill
their
obligation
to
to
help
the
homeless
in
a
way
that
keeps
them
from
sliding
backwards.
A
lot
of
the
evictions
that
you're
seeing
right
now
from
places
like
arthouse
and
so
on,
are
individuals
who
are
in
the
jungle
they
did.
Q
They
did
not
have
the
skill
sets
to
maintain
housing
yet
and
because
there
is
not
a
sanctioned
encampment.
What
will
happen?
Is
these
individuals
will
back
to
the
jungle
and
there
they
will
reinforce
those
skill
sets
which
are
so
maladapted
to
being
in
a
housing
unit
and
so
they're?
Not
they
won't
be
really
much
closer
to
success
next
time,
whereas
if
you
had
a
sanctioned
encampment
people
could
go
back
to
this
encampment
once
again
be
surrounded.
I
think
I
like
to
think
of
it.
As
the
city
builds,
the
bowl
and
the
county
fills
it
right.
Q
The
county
already
has
tons
of
workers
on
the
ground.
The
city
decides
to
say,
here's
the
bowl,
here's
the
land
that
you
can
do
your
work
in
right
and
here's.
Our
and
here's
our
other
services
that
we'll
provide
like
heat,
electricity
or
and
so
on,
there's
tons
of
outreach
workers
who
and
so
on,
but
we
need
to
stem
this
tide
of
culture.
That's
happened
because
of
the
jungle
where
people
are
quietly
do
not
know
how
to
to
get
along
with
other
neighbors.
Q
There's
a
neighborhood
watch
being
formed
in
art
house
by
individuals
who
are
there
against
the
individuals
who
came
in
from
the
jungle.
That's
that's
heartbreaking.
That's
absolutely
heartbreaking!
So
at
some
level,
all
of
us
combined,
I
think,
have
somewhat
failed
these
individuals
by
not
saying
you
can't
just
build
your
own
town
and
and
do
what
you
want.
You
have
to
be
in
an
encampment.
You
have
to
be
someplace
where
we
can
help
you.
We
can
offer
shelter
because
we're
not
criminalizing
you
you're
not
guilty
of
being
homeless.
Q
We
also
won't
let
you
backslide
and
be
preyed
upon
and
so
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
point
that
doesn't
get
brought
up
very
often
right.
Now,
there's
several
individuals
who
are
going
back
out
of
the
art
house
because
they
have
multiple
lease
violations
of
being
evicted
because
they
did
not
have
the
skill
sets.
Q
I
mean
really
quickly
if
you'll
judge
me
for
a
second
longer
mayor,
I
find
the
level
of
irony
in
this
low
barrier
access
idea,
I'm
always
at
a
disadvantage,
because
I'm
not
allowed
due
to
different
regulations
to
talk
about
why
people
are
kicked
out
of
the
shelter
and
so
on.
But
most
of
people
who
are
in
the
encampment
have
been
in
the
shelter
they
have
burned
through
every
motel
we
have
the
city.
The
county
has
endured.
Q
Thousands
of
dollars
in
damages,
motels
have
lost
business,
trying
to
be
good
partners
with
us
right
and
these
individuals
finally
end
up
not
being
able
to
be
in
the
shelter
because
they're
unsafe
in
the
shelter-
and
I
find
a
bit
of
an
irony
that
people
are
saying
well,
they
need
to
go
back
into
a
lower
barrier,
shelter
where
they
can
be
more
unsafe
versus
encampment,
where
they
can
still
feel
like
they're
outside
it's
like
they
have
some
autonomy
and
you
can
meet
them
halfway.
Q
A
So
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
meeting
people
halfway
if
there
is
a
sanctioned
encampment.
A
Q
I
I
believe
that
you
actually
can,
and
I
I
believe,
the
same
way
that
you
keep
me
I'm
a
great
fan
of
automobiles,
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
age
of
electric
car,
but
you
compel
me
to
stay
at
55
miles
per
hour
all
the
time
I
don't
want
to.
I
really
don't
watch
the
mirror
30
miles
for
in
the
city.
I
don't
want
to.
I
won't
go
faster,
but
you
compel
me
to
stay
at
that.
Q
I
think
if
the
city
was
willing
to
take
on
the
short
term
bad
feeling
of
listening,
we're
not
going
to
lie
to
camp
wherever
you
want
here
is
a
sentient
place
where
you
can
be
safe,
people
will
either
go
there
or
they'll
leave
our
community.
Now
I
don't
want
people
leaving
our
community
and
being
unsafe
in
the
outer
world,
but
I
also
want
our
community
to
be
safe
and
I
do
think
I
I
don't
other
language
to
use.
I
almost
feel
like
at
some
point.
Q
We
have
to
be
the
adults
in
the
room
and
say:
hey
here's,
the
gig
right,
here's
the
safe
place
where
you
can
be.
You
can
maintain
dignity.
We'll
give
you
services,
you
can
come
back
right,
maybe
you
go
to
an
apartment,
it
doesn't
work
out.
You
come
back.
What
went
wrong,
we
try
to
fix
it,
but
we
don't
allow
you
just
to
be
wherever
you
want
and-
and
I
do
believe
that
this
that
this
this
administration
can
compel
people
to
do
it.
They
have
to
decide
that
they're
going
to
do
it.
D
A
Comments
that
I
hear
from
constituents-
and
that
is
you-
do
we
have
something
like
that,
which
you're
describing,
for
example,
at
art
house,
a
safe
place
where
people
have
shelter
services
are
available
to
to
residents.
Q
Think
that's
a
really
great
question
mayor.
The
difference
is
a
lot
of
the
individuals
at
our
house.
Right
now
are
not
ready
for
that
level
of
housing.
They're
not
ready
to
accept
it.
I'm
a
I'm
a
huge
believer
in
the
agency
of
the
human
being
they're,
just
not
ready
to
be
there.
Yet.
I
don't
want
them,
however,
leaving
our
house
and
just
going
back
next
to
a
stream
site
right
or
back
into
wetlands
or
anything.
You
know,
destroying
those
lands
being
prey
to
other
people.
Q
You
know
we
had
to
like
get
into
a
cab
get
down
to
dss.
It
was
all
hush-hush
stuff,
this
type
of
stuff
that
happens
there
in
a
sanctioned
account.
She
could
just
go
back
to
the
sanctuary
camp
and
be
like
it
didn't
work
out.
I
need
more
skill
sets,
so
I'm
successful
next
time
a
lot
of
people
were
pushed
into
housing,
here's
housing
and
they
just
weren't
ready
for
it.
Q
A
lot
of
people
are
going
to
be
ready
for
it,
but
some
are-
and
I
believe
we
owe
the
people
who
aren't
the
chance
to
come
back
out
and
be
safe
while
also
keeping
our
community
safe.
I
don't
think
that
nate's
garden
estates
should
suffer
because
someone
is
not
quite
ready
yet
for
art
house
right.
You
know
just
like
that
person
should
suffer.
They
should
have
to
go
back
to
the
wetlands
because
they
weren't
quite
ready
for
art
house.
A
Okay,
thank
you
chris.
I
don't
want
to
say
you
know
take
up
too
much
time
because
I
see
other
hands
so
george.
I
saw
your
hand
and
then
phoebe.
J
Thank
you
laura
chris
chris
is
really
knowledgeable
and
insightful
and
compassionate
and
as
is
carmen,
and
they
have
experience
with
the
homeless
population.
J
But
I
think
what
the
city
needs
to
do
is
say:
okay,
these
are
the
four
acres
we're
going
to
set
aside
for
this
transitional,
sanctioned
encampment
and
the
reason
the
southwest
makes
sense
is
because
it's
very
close
to
the
existing
water
line,
existing
electricity.
J
And
I
think
if
we
commit
to
doing
those
things,
then
the
county
has
to
step
up,
and
then
the
private
sector
has
to
step
up
and
so
that
the
the
final
cost
is
not
going
to
be
as
high
as
hopefully
as
as
some
of
our
estimates,
because
other
people
will
be
chipping
in
some
people
say
well,
why?
Why
would
a
homeless
individual
go
to
go
to
the
sanctioned
encampment?
Why
wouldn't
they
want
to
just
stay
where
they
are?
J
J
Think
is
a
strong
pull,
and
the
other
thing
that
this
has
over
our
house
is
it's
a
much
smaller
scale
and
much
more
human
scale.
There's
what
is
there
200
apartments
in
our
house?
C
J
So
I'm
just
saying,
as
as
savanta
used
to
say
what
we're
doing
now
isn't
working.
Let's
try
something
different
and
I
think
this
is
something
we
we
should
try.
A
Thank
you,
george
fully
agree.
What
we're
doing
now
is
not
working
yes,
phoebe
and
then
cynthia.
H
So
one
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is:
you
know:
I've
been
in
recovery
for
23
years,
and
I
know
I
didn't
get
clean
until
I
desired
it
right,
and
so
I
knew
what
I
know
now
I
didn't
know
back
then
a
seed
meat
needed
to
be
planted,
and
it
only
happened
because
I
was
in
the
right
conditions,
right
and
so
art
house,
I
think,
may
have
been
something
that
you
need
to
graduate
to
agree
go
gradually
to
right.
H
You
know
there
are
people
who,
like
living
out
in
encampment
type
sites,
some
of
them
do
so
what
I'm
thinking
and
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
When
I
said,
is
I'm
thinking
of
rps
reimagining
public
safety
and
how
we
kept
finding
this
and
that
and
this
and
that
to
keep
us
from
at
least
moving
on
so
that
we
can
learn
from
what
not
working.
We
have
a
great
canvas
with
arthouse
right.
H
We
can
use
that
as
what
didn't
work
and
what
could
possibly
work
better
in
in
the
sanctioned
encampment
right,
and
so
my
next
and
last
question
was:
have
there
been
conversation
with
the
county
in
the
before
you
know,
have
have
there
been
any
conversation
with
county
in
that
committee?
That's
working
on
this
have
y'all
talked
with
county
the
county
at
any
time.
A
Yes,
I
I
believe
so,
but
cynthia
george
chris
everyone
else,
you
see
in
the
packet
that
the
the
memo
the
proposal
is
signed
by
cynthia
and
george
on
the
city's
behalf
and
travis
brooks
and
rich
john
on
the
county's
behalf.
So
I
do
believe
that
rich,
for
example,
has
been
involved
in
discussions
since
early
on
travis
has
been
involved.
I
don't
know
if
he
was
as
involved
at
the
from
the
start,
but
yes
phoebe.
That's
a
very
good
question.
It's
one
that
I've
asked.
A
And
collaboration
between
city
and
and
county,
which
is
really
important
because
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
accomplish
anything
unless
we
have
a
collaborative
effort
and
to
chris's
point,
I
know
there
are
businesses
who
will
want
to
work
toward
a
solution.
We've
identified
the
problem,
we've
not
been
able
to
get
off
the
dime
in
terms
of
moving
past,
identifying
what
the
problem
is
and
what
we're
we're
at
this
nexus
right
now,
where
we're
looking
at
okay,
we
all
understand
the
problem.
A
How
do
we
move
forward
with
the
most
effective
collaborative
approach
to
addressing
the
problem?.
I
I
This
all
started
because
of
a
conversation
with
carmen
guidi
and
I
from
a
tour
that
we
did
through
the
jungle
in
february
of
this
year.
You
know
carmen,
as
you
mentioned,
is
the
founder
of
second
wind
cottages.
Chris,
is
the
director
of
our
homeless,
shelter,
he's.
Also
a
member
of
this
group.
We
have
two
staff
members
nelsbon
of
the
iura,
as
well
as
frank
krupa,
who's,
the
director
of
the
department
of
health
for
the
tompkins
county.
I
We
have
two
property
owners
on
cherry
street,
jerry
deeds
and
michael
carpenter,
who
are
also
members
of
our
group
and
and
carmen
will
tell
you
that
he
and
I
first
met
11
years
ago,
walking
through
the
jungle,
and
he
was
probably
you
know
the
most
very
loud
advocate
on
behalf
of
doing
something
to
support
the
individuals
who
are
living
on
house.
I
He
wasn't
very
patient
with
the
city
in
terms
of
our
lack
of
response
and,
and
he
went
ahead,
and
he
did
second
wind
all
on
his
own
out
in
newfield.
I
I
know
that
there
are
private
property
owners
that
are
wanting
to
do
something
on
behalf
of
supporting
the
the
unhoused,
but
likewise
it
would
probably
be
in
newfield
or
other
locations
where
they
can
actually
afford
property
for
something
like
this,
so
it
would
not
be
where
people
are
where
the
services
are
where
their
community
is.
So
you
know
it.
I
I
will
just
say,
and
carmen
will
will
reiterate
and
as
well
as
as
as
frank,
what
is
being
proposed
is
not
in
any
way
new.
There
was
working
groups
10
years
ago
that
proposed
this.
There
was
working
groups
four
years
ago
that
proposed
us
very
similar
to
what
we're
proposing
now
really
coming
from
the
community
coming
from
the
people
like
chris
and
carmen,
who
are
advocates
and
work
daily
with
the
in-house
and
trying
to
support
their
needs
in
in
a
compassionate
and
humane
way.
I
And-
and
here
we
are
again
asking
for
us
to
take
the
lead
and
take
the
first
step.
As
mentioned
in
the
in
the
memo,
we
are
in
a
chicken
and
egg
situation.
C
I
Firmly
believe,
although
we
are
just
representatives
of
the
municipalities
that
that
that
we
have
elected
to
represent,
I
firmly
believe
that
if
the
city
takes
the
first
step
and
identifies
a
parcel
and
identifies
that
this
is
a
bona
fide
city
function,
that
it
will
support
that
the
county
will
meet
the
needs
of
servicing
and
supporting
the
individuals
who
live
there
at
the
sanction,
encampment
site,
as
well
as
those
who
are
in
need
of
that
safe
space
and
supporting
them
to
getting
to
that
that
area.
I
Art
house
was
never
designed
to
provide
the
wraparound
services
that
people
need
right.
It's
not
that
their
design
failed.
They
were
never
designed
to
do
that.
It
was
designed
like
an
apartment
building.
Here
you
go.
Here's
your
key!
There
you
go.
You
have
housing
housing.
First,
you
got
it
right,
so
you
ended
up
with,
but
in
in
speaking
with
tammy,
I
see
some
shakes
of
the
head
and
speaking
with
tammy.
I
My
understanding
from
her
is
that
she
was
not
charged
with
coordinating
wrap-around
services
that
came
later
right
when,
when
the
need
was
great,
she
was
charged
with
giving
an
apartment
and
and
enforcing
the
lease.
So
what
we
are
proposing
is
that
everyone
will
be
receiving
wrapped
around
services,
who
is
at
tides
that
the
county
would
be
partners
in
making
sure
that
that
happens,
and
I
hope
we
can
get
off
the
diamond
and
move
forward.
H
Can
I
respond
real
quick?
I
did
hear
mention
of
some
names
of
people
who
are
part
of
this,
but
I
didn't
hear
any
mention
of
people
who
have
experienced
encampments
and
this
they're.
You
know
that
that
is
very
important
in
any
planning
group.
There
needs
to
be
people
who
who've
who
what
what
they
call
it
have
lived
experience.
A
Yeah
cynthia
are
others
on
the
working
group.
Can
you
comment
on
the
involvement
of
any
of
the
unhoused
community
members.
J
I
I
I
know
that
george
is
working
closely
with
individuals
who
are
living
in
the
jungle
right
now,
as
well
as
carmen
and
chris.
You
are
right.
We
meet
over
zoom
once
a
week.
We
have
we
actually
in
some
weeks
we're
leaving
more
than
once
over
zoom.
We
do
have
the
flexibility
in
the
luxury
to
do
that
and
that
level
of
organization
over
email,
but
we
we
would
definitely
I
I
definitely
hear
you
in
terms
of
having
an
individual
on
our
working
group
and
that
voice,
but
we
do
okay.
A
Let
me
turn
to
george,
you
had
your
hand
up.
J
Yeah,
I
I
just
a
very
brief
comment.
You
raised
a
good
point
phoebe
and
there
hasn't
been
like
a
continual
involvement
of
people
living
in
the
jungle.
Now
I
I
talk
with
people
in
the
jungle
and,
frankly,
the
people
I
talk
with
may
be
really
excited
about
it,
one
week
and,
and
then
the
next
week
they
say
well,
that'll,
never
work!
J
So
there's
a
certain
amount
of
faith
involved
in
in
this.
This
undertaking
and
I'll
just
say
very
quickly
that,
yes,
this
is
going
to
cost
money.
J
J
A
I
think
chris
was
making
that
point
too,
that
there
is
a
hidden
tax
to
businesses
and
to
to
residents
yeah
and
carmen.
I
see
your
hand
up,
and
thanks
for
being
here,
go
ahead.
If
you
have
comment
to
me.
S
Just
a
couple
things
that
I
think
we
need
to
hear-
and
I
think
chris
alluded
to
it
a
little
bit
and
phoebe
this
will
go
maybe
towards
what
you're
saying,
of
course,
I'm
I'm
at
the
jungle.
You
know
a
few
times
a
week
talking
with
people.
S
Many
people
are
excited
about
this.
There's
a
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
the
whole
thing:
it's.
It
can
be
very
dangerous
there
living
it's,
it's
the
whole
gamut
from
from
you
know,
going
to
the
bathroom
to
to
stolen
items.
I
mean
it's
just
it's
on
and
on,
and
we
have
had,
I
think,
nells
you
remember.
S
We
had
a
continuum
of
care
meeting
that
that
we
we
talked
about
tides
and
we
had
one
or
two
people,
I
think
actually
zoom
in
two
people
that
were
actually
living
still
are
living
in
the
jungle
that
that
made
comment
and
that
were
positive
towards
the
tides
idea.
S
So
so
there's
that
and
and
another
thing
just
real
quickly.
It's
really
ironic
and
I've
been
saying
this
for
years
and
years.
Remember
a
few
years
ago.
I
wanted
to
build
a
structure
in
the
in
the
encampment
for
an
older
gentleman
and
I
wanted
to
I
went
to
I
went
to
the
mayor
and
said
you
know
just
give
me
your
blessing.
Let
me
do
this
without
going,
you
know
behind
people's
backs
and
of
course
he
couldn't,
but
when
it
comes
to
the
piece
of
land,
it
just
seems
to
me
it's
pretty
ironic.
S
S
I
just
don't
understand
what
what
the
you
know
just
pull
the
trigger
they're
there.
You
obviously
are
not
going
to
remove
them,
so,
let's
make
something
better
for
them.
They're
there
and
you're,
not
removing
them,
and
I
know
I
I
kind
of
get
passionate
some.
Sometimes
people
think
I'm
mad,
I'm
not
mad
at
all.
S
I
just
you
know
when
it's
been
13
years
since
I've
been
doing
this
and
nothing
has
happened
and
they're
not
moving
them
out,
but
yet
they
won't
make
it
better.
I
just
I
have
a
hard
time
wrapping
my
head
around
that.
So
that's
my
that's
my
push
for,
for
you
know
to
to
the
city,
to
the
to
the
council,
people
to
whoever
needs
to
hear
it
that
you
know
it's
been
like
this.
It's
been
like
this,
it's
been
like
this
nothing's
changed,
except
people's
lives
are
getting
worse.
C
A
Appreciate
your
your
comments
and
I'm
also
really
pleased
that
you've
been
involved
with
this
group,
because
you
have
the
experience
through
establishing
second
wind
cottages
and
I'm.
I
expect
that
your
experience
with
second
wind
cottages,
I'm
hoping,
has
helped
to
inform
this
working
group.
What's
worked
well
what
you
have
had
to
tweak
in
that
development
now,
so
I'm
glad
that
you're
you're
involved
in
that
I
do
want
us
to
move
forward.
We
were
allowing
about
30
minutes
for
this
discussion.
I
know
that
it
is
a
necessary
discussion.
I
Yes,
I
I
did
just
want
to
mention
two
things.
The
first
is
is
the
current
tacit
acceptance
policy
really
puts
our
city
staff
in
in
a
terrible
position,
whether
or
not
you're
talking
about
the
building
department
staff,
fire
department,
police
department,
when
they
are
called
when
people
are
raising
concerns,
whether
or
not
it's
something
they
hear.
They
see
activities
outreach
workers
who
who
don't
know
what
the
city
policy
is
without
a
city,
a
clear
city
policy
and
understanding.
I
I
So
I
did
want
to
mention
that
the
second
thing
is,
as
you
identified
laura
in
the
packet
is
a
letter
from
rich
george
travis
and
myself
with
a
set
of
thoughts
in
terms
of
our
suggestions
of
what
a
possible
policy
could
be,
and,
first
and
foremost,
number
one
very
intentionally
is
a
is
a
declaration
that
being
unhoused
is
not
a
crime
recognizing
that,
first
and
foremost,
and
and
many
of
it
dovetails
with
with
what
nells
had
mentioned
before,
provided
providing
focused
attention
to
individuals
to
steer
them
towards
services
to
steal
the
steer
them
sort
towards
safe
and
legal
housing.
I
Having
a
policy
to
minimize
the
expansion
of
the
unsanctioned
encampment
sites
so
that
they
well,
they
don't
encroach
into
currently
unoccupied
areas,
as
well
as
a
program
to
clearing
and
restoring
those
areas
and
monitoring
them.
Once
individuals
have
found
a
safe
and
legal
place
to
be
it's
as
you
mentioned.
This
is
something
that
really
deserves
a
working
group
of
the
city
and
county
and
outreach
workers
to
come
up
with
the
best
strategies
for
to
move
forward.
I
But
these
are
just
some
suggestions
that
we've
had
in
our
many
discussions
and
something
to
consider
we
did
provide
in
the
packet
a
draft
rfp
largely
based
on
a
georgia
model.
It
gives
an
indication
generally
of
what
tards
might
look
like,
but
these
are
the
types
of
of
details
that
I
think
the
city
could
consider
in
and
what
they
would
like
to
see
if
they
were
to
choose
to
move
forward
with
the
sanction
encampment
site.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you
cynthia
and
thank
you
for
all
the
materials
that
have
been
added
to
the
packet.
I
I
will,
I
think,
just
perhaps
differ
with
one
point
you
made
well.
First,
let
me
agree
that
the
tacit
acceptance
that
we
have
had
in
place
does
put
a
strain
on
city
staff
and
does
put
them
in
a
tough
spot
city
staff
would
still
be
responding,
whether
it's
fire
department
or
city
staff
would
still
be
responding
to
a
sanctioned
encampment
as
well.
I
A
So
so
that's
that
is
where
I
think
the
benefit
of
a
a
working
group.
Chris
did
you
have
an
additional
point.
Q
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
maybe
it
has
some
some
steam
to
this,
that
your
problem
also
is
growing.
I
mean
this
week
we
had
a
phone
call
from
bj's
up
by
the
mall
asking
us
to
if
we
could
somehow
help
someone
from
an
individual
who
works
with
apartment,
went
up
and
found
that
there
are
people
camping
behind
that
establishment.
Q
So
your
problem
is
growing.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
put
it
out
there
that
it
is
and
it
can
and
it
will
continue
to
grow,
and
I
I
just
say
that
just
to
really
kind
of
hopefully
add
some
see
some
fire
some
flame
straight.
A
Fire
that
sure
no,
I
I'm
well
aware
that
the
problem
has
grown
and
will
grow,
and
you
know
I
think.
Unfortunately,
that
is
the
case
whether
we
have
a
sanctioned
encampment
for
50
people
or
or
not,
and
the
area
you're
referring
to
may
be
outside
the.
C
A
Yeah,
and
so
some
policy
lead,
the
city
may
take-
may
likely
push
some
unhoused
people
into
other
areas
in
the
county
and
I'm
well
aware
of
that
too,
whether
it
is
to
lansing
or
the
town
of
ithaca
yeah
yeah.
A
I
understand
the
problem
is
growing.
Phoebe
did
you
have
yes.
A
A
A
At
the
same
time,
I
do
think
it
is
important
that
we
get
this
right.
This
is
a
big
step
and
a
step
step
that
I
will
say.
I
believe
it
is
in
all
of
our
interests
to
make
a
positive
impact
to
move
forward
with
something
that
has
the
potential
for
being
successful
and
making
a
change
in
the
lives
of
people
who,
right
now
don't
have
many
options
and
it's
important
for
the
city
to
to
take
the
lead.
A
I
get
that
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
moves
quickly,
unfortunately,
and
there's
so
many
issues,
so
many
issues
where
it
is
frustrating,
I
will
say
it
is
frustrating
to
me
that
movement
takes
longer
than
any
of
us
might
like
at
the
same
time.
A
I
also
understand
how
important
it
is
to
get
something
like
this
right,
but
it
may
be
that
right
now
we
are
at
this
juncture
this
nexus,
this
point
where
the
city,
if
the
city
takes
the
lead,
there
have
been
county
legislators
involved,
there
have
been
businesses
involved
residents
involved,
so
we
may
have
the
right
constellation
of
players.
That
may
not
have
been
the
case
in
earlier
iterations.
A
So
if
that
is
the
case,
let's
really
capitalize
on
this
positive
constellation
and
take
some
forward
motion
on
this,
so
I'm
committed
to
moving
us
forward.
I
don't
know.
C
A
What
that
looks
like
yet,
but
I
am
greatly
appreciative
of
all
the
work
that
the
the
tides
working
group
has
put
in,
I'm
incredibly
grateful
to
nells
to
the
continuum
of
care.
As
I
say,
I
believe
we
may
have
right
now
the
correct
the
most
effective
constellation
of
people
in
our
community
to
really
take
some
concrete
steps.
A
Okay,
so
we
will
report
on
this
at
common
council.
A
A
Okay-
and
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
all
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this
much
much
much
appreciated
and
you're
all
contributing
in
very
concrete
ways
to
bettering
our
community
and
all
of
our
community
members.
So
thank
you.
A
A
R
No,
I
think
I
think
I
mean
just
you
know
in
terms
of
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
clarity
in
terms
of
next
steps.
I
guess
so
I
I
think
the
other
aspect
of
the
rfp
was
to
try
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
county
on
a
financing
plan
for
the
project,
so
that
could
be
another
component
of
a
city.
Initiation
here
is
to
you
know,
seek
seek
their
support
to
figure
out
what
would
be
a
financial
model
for
a
sanctioned
encampment
project.
A
R
And
I
guess
the
final
thing
I
wanted
to
do
was
it's
a
very
complicated
issue,
but
no,
I
think
it's
been
mentioned
several
times
that
there's
no
one
solution
and
there's
no
one
project.
That's
going
to
solve
the
issue,
and
in
many
respects
you
know
the
bet
the
best
process
going
forward
is
to
move
forward
on
several
fronts
as
many
as
we
can
keep
going,
and
so
I
I
don't
think
we
want
to
view
this.
As
a
solution
of
you
know,
the
rfp
is
the
only
solution.
R
There
should
be
many
more
and
we
know
that
we
need
to
expand
the
supply
of
of
permanent
supportive
housing
and
transitional
housing
for
people
to
graduate
from.
I
think,
encampment
too,
because
that
that's
a
limiting
factor
as
well.
A
Okay,
the
last
item
on
our
agenda
tonight
is
review
and
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
april
and
june
minutes
that
have
been
provided
cynthia.
I
saw
that
you
had
some
edits
with
edits.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
the
approval
of
let's
do
them
together
april
and
june
minutes.
A
A
Thanks
all
for
a
very
productive
meeting,
I
think
we
covered
an
awful
lot
of
ground
we've
addressed
issues
that,
as
we've
all
said,
are
complex
and
not
easy
to
to
solve
or
address,
but
we
have
made
some,
I
think,
positive
contributions
tonight.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
in
august,
take
care
everyone.