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A
A
A
I'm
also
required
to
read
this
emergency
evacuation
illness,
which
I
will
do
so
now
in
the
case
of
emergency
evacuation,
we're
going
to
take
one
of
the
two
exits
over
there
and
over
there,
and
wait
that
long.
Okay,
you,
industry
and
Green
Street
in
the
intersection
don't
cross.
The
road
try
to
be
findable
and
if
you
do
have
restricted
mobility
and
the
event
of
emergencies,
it's
best
to
move
to
one
of
the
stairwells
and
First
Responders
will
arrive
to
Aid
and,
in
the
event
of
other
emergencies,
will
be
notified
at
that
time.
A
A
G
B
A
Any
further
discussion,
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
minutes
for
the
three
months
in
question,
and
it
looks
like
that
is
unanimous.
That
brings
us
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public?
We
should
speak
for
a
board
say
none.
Are
there
any
comments
that
have
been
requested
to
be
read
into.
B
B
Is
there
provision
in
the
plans
to
provide
a
viable
infrastructure
for
one
collecting,
two
housing
and
three
returning
grocery
carts
to
the
applicable
vendors,
the
current
situation
with
new,
affordable
housing
and
see
if
it
has
not
appear
to
provide
for
any
systematic
way
to
return
grocery
carts
to
stores
numerous
grocery
parts
are
found
throughout
the
city
and
in
particular
by
recent
built
dwellers
dwellings
they're
either
one
piled
up
in
an
organized
way
by
the
new
living
structure
or
two
left
near
the
new
facility
without
concern.
I
would
be
glad
to
send
pictures.
B
In
this
revised
agenda,
they
address
of
this
project
is
now
two
addresses
I
believe
this
should
be
two
separate
requests,
one
from
Ithaca
properties
for
the
others
from
Green
Street
developers.
The
applications
for
economic
development
are
from
these
LLCs
and
not
one
person,
slash
entity,
slash
Corporation
active
use
of
space.
The
October
2020
resolution
stated
all
remaining
retail
space
will
remain
at
a
leasing
office
is
not
retail.
The
space
was
formally
occupied
by
home
grade
home
and
nothing
nowhere
until
essentially
displaced
by
this
project
from
December
2020
to
August
2021.
B
The
space
was
deconstructed
used
as
a
staging
storing
area
for
construction
of
both
fluidifican
and
the
new
College
buildup
for
the
physician's
assistant
program.
The
indoor
space
behind
this
leasing
offices
also
deconstructed,
and
when
your
model
took
away
our
reasonable
access
for
Ada
accessibility,
there
are
still
ceiling
panels
out
behind
the
space.
If
you
do
improve
active
use,
designation
for
this
place,
I
ask
that
the
space
be
well
lit
until
at
least
9
pm
each
night.
Also,
we
ask
that
the
windows
not
be
covered.
B
Signage
I
am
opposed
to
oversized
branding
signage
on
the
new
additional
towers,
as
well
as
the
current
Rothschild
Builders.
It
was
not
necessary.
We
are
not
a
large
metaphor
and
again
project
has
been
altered
several
times
from
when
we
learned
it
about
it
in
early
2021,
free
pandemic
that
we
and
other
tenants
were
listed
for
the
hospital
displacement.
The
towers
moved
towards
Green
Street
instead
of
listening
property.
We
continue
to
write
to
this
group
and
others.
B
I,
don't
know
some
of
these
times.
Yes,
okay
on
6,
19,
20,
20
and
8
24
20
I
wrote
a
city
that
we
still
need
some
rejection
from
the
production
from
this
evolving
problems.
Our
second
public
private
economic
development
project
enters
the
same
address
when
this
happened.
Why
didn't
this
trigger
an
updated
secret
Thief
update
to
take
into
consideration
the
possible
impacts
on
existing
tenants
and
the
juice
and
papers,
CDN
development
and
disposition
agreement?
The
DDA
allocation
says
that
air
rights
will
be
consist
Consolidated
with
215
East
State
Street
Y2
addresses.
Now.
B
Why
isn't
the
dormitory
Authority
does
the
listed
in
the
DDA?
Is
it
a
multimedia
project
that
impacts
and
impacts
impact
of
the
property?
Ithacan
project
is
a
multi-incentivized
luxury
economic
development
that
has
impacted
the
tenants
of
215
East
State
Street
in
multiple
ways.
Over
the
past
2.5
years
we
have
a
trial
date
with
physical
properties,
November.
F
B
This
also
right
and
the
second
one
is
from
theater
virtual.
Thank
you
for
reading
this
one
okay,
first
I,
understand
and
accept
that
development
is
necessary
in
the
big
picture
and
good
for
our
community
I
support
development.
Why?
What
am
I
hoping
for
one
that
no
other
businesses
or
residents
get
hurt
by
development
or
that
they
are
appropriately
mitigated
when
damage
occurs?
B
To
that
the
expectation
of
proactive,
open
and
honest
communication,
we
formalized
at
the
city
level,
as
has
been
done
in
the
county
level,
three,
that
the
city
staff
and
elected
officials
be
willing
to
speak
publicly
about
the
full
truth
of
projects
and
not
just
touting
the
positive.
When
you
are
aware
of
Damages
happening
at
that
time.
B
What
can
you
do
for
us?
One
refrain
from
any
additional
requests:
variances
exceptions
from
this
developer
until
he
agrees
to
reasonable
litigation,
use
cinemapolis
Casino
as
a
model
of
how
this
can
be
done
too.
If
you
have
any
kind
of
relationship
with
this
development,
encourage
him
to
do
right
by
us
important
fact:
small
businesses
Investments.
We
are
only
protected
by
our
lease,
the
law.
To
the
extent
we
have
the
resources
to
fight
back
I
believe
we
as
a
community
can
do
better.
Do
you?
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
here
includes
the
comments
great.
A
H
H
I
Right
good
evening,
everyone
I
think
I
know
most
of
you,
but
for
those
of
you
that
I
don't
know,
I
am
Brian.
Mccracken
I
am
the
city's
historic
preservation
and
neighborhood
planner
and
tonight
I'm
here
to
talk
to
you
about
143
e
State
Street
on
the
commons
has
been
recommended
for
local
Landmark
status
by
the
Ithaca
landmarks.
Preservation,
commission
and
I'm
excited
tonight
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
why
it
was
nominated
and
the
events
that
led
up
to
its
nomination.
So
let
me
share
my
screen.
I
All
right
so
143
East,
State
Street,
it
has
a
really
long
historic
name,
so
I
will
probably
say
it
once
and
not
repeat
it
throughout
the
the
entire
presentation.
So
it
is
being
nominated
as
the
Andrus
block
home,
Dairy
and
Firebrand
books
building,
and
you
will
learn
in
a
few
minutes
why
it
has
gained
that
name.
I
I
Many
of
these
sites
are
no
longer
extent,
meaning
they've
either
been
demolished
or
significantly
changed.
However,
143
East
State
Street
is
one
property
that
still
reflects
the
historic
character
During,
the
period
in
which
it
gains
gained
its
significance.
And
if
you
haven't
checked
out
this
walking
tour
I
highly
recommend
it.
It's
really
engaging
and
you
learn
a
great
deal
about
history
in
our
community.
I
So
the
nomination
to
locally
Landmark
143
East
State
Street,
was
prepared
by
Jeff
iovone.
He
has
a
PHD
in
American
studies
and
was
faculty
at
Suny
Fredonia
from
2013
into
until
2001,
when
he
began
his
second
career
training
at
in
the
historic
preservation
planning
program
at
Cornell
University
as
part
of
one
of
his
student
projects.
I
So
the
landmarks
ordinance
defines
a
local
Landmark
in
five
one.
The
first
Criterion
is
its
association
with
significant
economic,
political,
social
history
in
the
community
State
Nation.
This
is
a
category
that
encompasses
all
types
of
of
activities
and
events
and
people
Criterion
two
is
related
to
significant
people
or
events.
Criterion
three
is
architectural
style.
Criterion
four
is
the
work
of
a
significant
architect
and
Criterion.
Five
is
basically
your
iconic
buildings
in
a
community
or
iconic
structures
in
a
building.
Another
example
is
Eddie
gate.
I
What's
unique
about
this
building
is
that
the
landmarks
commission
found
that
it
was
eligible
or
the
building
was
eligible
for
local
designation,
based
on
all
five
criteria.
A
local
Landmark
only
needs
to
meet
one
of
the
criteria
to
be
eligible,
and
typically
your
your
average
nomination
includes
one
or
two
of
the
criteria.
This
building
is
unique
in
that
all
five
or
the
commission
believes
that
all
five
have
been
met,
and
you
can
see
quick
notes
after
each
Criterion
about
why
they
felt
the
these
Criterion
were
met.
I
So
to
start,
the
commission
felt
that
it
met
Criterion,
one
based
on
its
association
with
the
Anderson
Church
Publishing
Company.
It
was
a
local
publishing
firm
that
was
prominent
throughout
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
century.
They
are
the
ones
that
constructed
this
building
in
1872
after
a
major
Fire
in
downtown
that
destroyed
their
original
headquarters.
I
They
also
found
that
the
building
was
significant
for
its
association
with
Firebrand
books.
Specifically,
the
building
was
the
books
or
the
Firebrand
books,
the
publishing
companies
headquarters,
Nancy
bariano,
who
you'll
learn
a
little
bit
more
about
later
headquartered
or
founded
her
business.
On
the
second
floor
of
this
building
and
Firebrand
books
is
significant
for
its
for
its
association
with
the
second
wave
feminist
and
women
in
print
movements
of
the
1970s
and
80s,
so
Nancy
bariano.
She
is
a
local
activist,
publicist
and
feminist.
I
She
founded
Firebrand
books
in
in
1984.,
and
her
business
was
not
the
only
business
founded
at
this
time.
Obviously,
but
one
that
was
significant
for
its
particular
focus,
focus
foci
one.
It
was,
it
had
a
strong
anti-racist
sensibility,
it
published
multiple
genres,
not
just
theoretical
or
political
or
popular,
but
but
all
types
of
Publications
that
represented
feminist
viewpoints
gave
you
points
transgender
viewpoints.
I
She
published
authors
that
were
outside
the
coastal
Norms.
So
most
of
the
major
LBGTQ
movement
happened
on
the
east
and
west
coast.
She
was
willing
to
Branch
out
and
look
at
authors
that
were
centered
in
the
Midwest
and
had
that
perspective,
which
made
her
unique.
She
also
had
a
close
proximity
to
Cornell
and
had
a
great
partnership.
They
they
shared
ideas
and
authors.
Oftentimes
a
visiting
lecturer
would
go
to
Cornell
and
then
go
to
her
her
space
to
sign
books,
and
there
was
a
real
reciprocity.
I
There
she
published
multi
many
authors
that
were
multi-award-winning
receiving
the
Lambda
literary
awards
at
one
time.
Her
authors
had
the
highest
number
of
of
Awards
in
the
literary
world
and
finally,
she
was
among
the
few
Publishers
During
the
period
to
move
from
exclusively
lesbian
texts
to
feminist
and
queer
titles
which
in
the
1990s,
which
was
something
that
many
other
Publishers
were
not
doing.
I
The
commission
also
found
that
the
anders
block
home,
Dairy
and
Firebrand
books
building
was
eligible
based
on
its
architecture
and
its
architect.
The
building
was
designed
by
Alfred
B
Dale,
who
was
a
prominent
local
architect
in
the
late
19th
century
and
I'm
sure
many
of
you
will
recognize
his
some
of
his
Major
Works,
including
the
Griffin
block,
which
now
houses
simeon's
the
Bates
block,
which
houses
Asia
cuisine
and
Jimmy
John's.
I
The
building
is
also
significant
as
an
excellent
example
of
the
italianate
style,
so
the
Italian
architectural
style
was
incredibly
popular
during
the
the
late
19th
well
mid
19th
century,
and
you
can
see
its
influence
in
the
design
and
how
tall
and
skinny
it
is
the
barrel.
Arched
Windows,
the
keystones
and
consoles
on
all
of
the
window
surrounds
the
vermiculated
and
incised
blocks
along
the
storefront.
D
I
I
am
almost
done
to
to
rapidly
go
through
the
last
two
slides
one
home
Dairy
company
re-imagined,
the
storefront
of
the
building
in
1929
when
they
opened
their
business
there,
creating
the
iconic
home
Dairy
company
storefront,
making
it
eligible
for
under
Criterion
five.
This
is
a
unique
nomination
in
that
it
is.
A
K
K
I
Though
they
did
not
the
the
timeline
for
the
storefront
renovation
and
the
nomination
happened
at
the
same
time
before
the
nomination
was
brought
forward.
The
current
owners
of
the
buildings
had
brought
forward
a
proposal
to
renovate
the
storefront
and
it
was
approved
before
the
nomination
was
presented
to
the
commission,
the
property
owner
understanding.
I
The
the
home
Dairy
sign
was
saved
and
donated
to
the
family
who
originally
owned
the
business
and
the
sign
board
was
kept
in
the
same
shape
and
proportions
as
the
historic
sign.
The
the
glazing
was
left
intact
and
the
Golden
Oak
storefront
was
painted,
which
can
be
reversed
and
all
left
intact
behind
the
the
canopy.
So
it's
all
reversible.
So
it's
historic
elements
remain
they're,
just
behind
a
canopy.
A
A
A
A
Well,
that
brings
us
to
the
ithacan,
215
and
210
East
State
Street
I
also
have
a
disclosure
on
this
one
model.
Partners
business
was
a
tenant
of
this
property
prior
to
its
Redevelopment.
It
moved
as
a
result
of
that
development,
while
that
was
happening.
I
recused
myself
from
all
matters
related
to
that
development.
I
was
not
in
this
room.
You
know
for
those
approvals
because.
F
A
B
B
You
know
this
was
in
your
the
digital
packet,
but
not
on
your
desk.
You
do
input
on
your
desk,
the
provision
and
the
code
about
active
use,
and
it
says
that
the
primary
ticket
Commons
are
in
the
store
level.
Three
level
active
use,
overlay,
Zone
and
active
uses
are
defined
or
if
the
last
partition
says
that
on
the
additional
uses
may
be
permitted
by
the
planning
is
the
plan
or
determines
them
to
be
active,
use
and
Grant
special
approval
for
their
use?
So
that's
what
this
is.
B
M
B
E
J
M
M
M
We
have
the
Rothschilds
portion
of
the
building
that
fronts
on
the
commons
on
the
top
side,
which
is
the
inset
to
the
left,
and
then
we
have
what
is
the
first
floor
of
the
ithacan,
which
is
a
parking
garage
and
a
lobby
area
to
that.
Residential
Building,
along
East,
Green
Street,
highlighted
in
red,
is
the
portion
of
the
Rothschild
building,
which
is
the
ithacan
leasing
office.
M
M
You
know
seating
areas
and
waiting
areas
and
then
a
mock
unit
for
display
for
prospective
tenants
to
come
in
and
look
at.
So
what
we
are
requesting
is
that
this
board
finds
that
this
does
fit
within
the
active
use
classifications
based
on
the
ability
for
not
only
for
for
prospective
tenants
to
come
through
the
you
know,
through
the
common
side,
to
this
leasing
office,
but
also
to
you
know,
create
the
the
streets
they
have.
M
The
activity,
there's
projecting
information
within
the
you
know
the
meeting
areas
on
the
walls
that
could
be
seen
from
and
and
obviously
it
is
direct
ing
to
the
project
itself
and
not
having
to
located
it.
You
know
remotely
where
there's
the
opportunity
to
walk
through
and
actually
look
at
the
building
itself.
M
B
M
This
is
the
picture
of
the
storefront
and
I
do
understand,
based
on
correspondence
from
City
staff
that
we
were
asked
to
remove.
You
know
some
of
the
graphics
that
are
covering
up
the
windows.
There
was
also
I,
don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
like
a
flag
or
like
a
portable
flag
type
sign
that
was
placed
out
in
the
sidewalk
that
we
were
also
asked
to
remove
and
I
understand
through
talking
with
ownership
that
that
that
these
were
removed
so
that
there
is
more
transparency
to
to
the
storefront
itself.
M
A
So
let's
take
a
moment
and
do
questions
and
comments
from
the
board.
So
there's
two
issues
before
us:
we
can
decide
them
separately,
one
of
which
is
the
active
use,
whether
or
not
the
leasing
office
qualifies
and
the
other,
which
is
the
sign
which
we
it
sounds
like.
Don't
have
imagery
of
what's
currently
the
boats.
So
let's
maybe
not
spend
too
much
time
on
the
software.
M
That's
a
good
question:
I,
don't
have
an
exact
date,
but
obviously
the
building
is
under
construction.
You
know
the
construction.
The
ethic
in
itself
is
a
very
large
building.
So
I
can
imagine
you
know
throughout
the
course
of
construction.
It
would
be
at
the
leasing
office
until
a
point
when
leasing
is
stabilized
and
that
activity
can
happen
within
the
building
itself.
B
Thank
you.
My
question
is
sort
of
related
to
the
timeline.
I
think
we
should
propose
periods
of
time
that
it
needs
to
be
renewed
if
that's
possible
six-month
increments,
because
we've
seen
I
hope
this
doesn't
happen
to
your
project
brain,
but
we've
seen
projects
solved
for
finances
for
whatever
unable
to
be
released
and
I
would
prefer
to
have
a
recourse
for
the
city
to
not
have
this
in
perpetuity.
If
that
happens
so
would
you
propose
the.
L
B
A
Cj
moved
only
seconds
so
now
the
resolution
has
been
doing.
Do
we
need
a
formal
motion
for
the
amendment
to
the
resolution?
All
right
is
there
a
motion
moment.
Emily
moves
that
are
second.
For
that
Amendment
Elizabeth
seconds.
We
need
a
world
called
building
a
member.
No
all
those
in
favor
of
the
amendment
so
amended.
Other
discussion
on
resolution.
C
M
Yeah,
so
the
ithacan
project
proper,
which
resides
on
its
own
piece,
essentially
the
South
half
fronting
on
Green
Street,
is
a
joint
venture
between
you
know
different
development
parties
to
construct
that
building.
So
it
does
have
different
Financial
aspects
and
different
ownership
than
the
existing
Rothschild
building,
which
has
obviously,
as
you've,
heard
different
tendencies
of
which
one
is
this
leasing
office.
So
I
guess
to
answer
your
question.
M
They
are
two
different
ownership
entities,
but
they
are
very
much
in
common
with
each
other.
In
other
words,
you
know:
Jeff
rimlin
has
a
a
stake
in
both
properties.
So
essentially
yes,
they're
they're,
leasing
from
the
same
type
of
development.
It's
just
a
different.
It's
a
different
development
arm
that
owns
the
Rothschild
building
exclusively
rather
than
the
development
entity,
which
is
a
joint
venture
for
the
ithacan.
So
they
are
very
much
related,
but
not
under
direct
ownership.
Together.
D
A
B
A
A
B
E
M
M
K
M
M
B
G
A
question
about
the
lighting
some
somebody
from
the
public
comment
mentioned
keeping
the
storefront
lit
until
9
pm,
which
I
think
is
not
a
bad
idea.
You
know,
because
a
lot
of
the
useful
in
the
comments
will
happen
at
night
and
if
it's
just
dark-
and
you
know,
nobody's
looking
at
it
or
entering
or
exiting
how
late
do
people
work
there
and
can
the
lights
be
left
on
if
the
lights
are
left
on?
What
kind.
M
I
definitely
agree
with
that,
and
we
can
make
sure
that
It
is
Well
lit,
as
as
one
of
the
letters
has
suggested
until
9
pm.
If
there's
you
know
obviously
coming
into
the
winter
months,
it's
getting
darker
and
darker.
So
definitely
a
good
idea
for
people
who
you
know
maybe
leave
work
and
have
an
opportunity
to
come
to
the
leasing
office
that
it's
it's
well
lit.
That's
why
I
understand
that?
That's
fine.
A
K
K
K
B
A
A
fair
problem:
yeah
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
we're
going
to
get
into
the
signage
tonight
in
terms
of
approval.
If
I
don't
think
that
we're
going
to
amend
the
resolution
that's
being
assigned
beyond
that,
it
needs
to
be
somewhat
transparent
and
we
don't
have
a
picture
of
signing
specific
to
this.
That
is
current
to
what
they're
trying
to
get
so
I'm
hoping
to
leave
that
mostly
about
something
on
the
side.
A
But
then
there
is
the
point
about
lighting
that
I
think
should
get
worked
in
the
resolution.
If
there
is
a
motion
to
amend
the
resolution
to
require
lighting
until
nine
and
I
see,
Elizabeth
move
I
saw
Mitch.
Second,
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
so
amended.
Any
further
discussion
on
resolution.
A
B
A
M
M
Unfortunately,
when
we,
when
we
actually
got
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
to
make
our
presentation,
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
did
not
have
any
formal
approvals
or
recommendations
or
modifications
of
this
application
from
this
board.
The
planning
and
development
board,
so
they
elected
to
table
the
application.
M
M
So
the
application
was
updated
to
clarify
the
signage
will
exist
on
both
properties,
and
the
reasoning
is
because
the
ithacin
signage
that's
placed
on
the
Rothschild
building
is
still
associated
with
the
residential
use
at
210
East
Green
Street.
So
that's
really
the
only
change,
but
these
drawings
are
the
same
as
what
you
had
them
presented
in
the
past.
M
Take
you
through
a
very
quick
overview
of
it.
There
are
a
total
of
five
signs.
There's
three
that
are
proposed
on
the
ithacan
building
itself.
There
will
be
proposed
the
ithacin
icon
logo
at
the
top
of
the
building
facing
Green
Street,
which
is
what
we
call
the
type
one
sign.
It's
LED
illuminated
from
the
interior,
so
the
eye
shines
through
the
second
sign
facing
the
screen.
M
M
So
we
feel
that
it's
appropriate
to
kind
of
designate
this,
as
as
the
main
pedestrian
entrance
and
exit
through
the
Rothschild
building
for
the
ithacan
to
round
out
what
is
being
requested
because
of
the
residential
use.
The
residential
use
allows
for
12
square
feet
of
signage.
What
the
zoning
code
does
not
you
know,
clarify
or
distinguish
is
residential
use
of,
for
instance,
a
two-bedroom
apartment
house
versus
this.
You
know
14-story
residential
apartment
building.
M
So
what
we're
requesting
is
a
variance,
obviously
outside
of
the
the
two
signs
at
12
square
feet
that
would
be
allowed
for
a
residential
building
to
find
appropriate
signage
for
a
building
this
size
through
the
variants
which
obviously
gives
this
building
an
identity.
So
the
building
is
is
been
branded
as
the
ithacin.
It's
a
prominent
building.
A
F
B
B
E
E
D
D
Well,
I
I,
I,
I,
don't
say
in
general
I
understand:
hotels
need
Brandy
because
they
have
outcome
visitors
who
are
trying
to
wayfind
I,
don't
know
why
you
need
branding
high
up
on
a
residential
building
like
this
at
all,
moreover,
means
to
the
comments.
I,
don't
know
what
the
eye
I
mean.
What
does
the
eye
convey?
What
information
does
the
high
in
red
and
white
convey
to
mean
nothing
and
then
again
just
this
is
just
Aesthetics
and
there
are
others
that
are
qualified
to
speak
to
me.
D
A
Okay,
seeing
none
when
we
looked
at
this
before
we
said
that
before
and
we
said
that
it
didn't
meet
our
approval,
so
part
of
our
task
is
to
say
is
review
the
sign.
You
can
see
whether
it
meets
our
approval.
I
would
say
it
doesn't
now.
The
other
Casper
for
us
is
just
say
what
we're
going
to
say
to
BCM.
A
B
B
A
A
B
That's
where
I
was
going
with
my
comment:
I
support
the
lower
signs.
I
support
this
type.
Three
on
the
comments.
That
seems
to
be
something
the
zoning
board
is
looking
at
whether
they're
allowed
to
have
a
sign
on
the
side.
It's
not
their
address,
I
think
that's.
Okay
type,
three
I
would
not
want
to
illuminate
it.
Sort
of
the
third
story:
height
and
I
would
not
support
type
1..
K
K
C
I
generally
want
to
side
with
whatever
the
zoning
recommendations
are
for
these
kinds
of
science
already
I,
think
there's
just
some
logic
there
and
and
Brian.
You
know
I
think
you
said
yourself.
The
building
itself
is
significant
right.
I
think
the
building
is,
is
the
brand
this,
maybe
maybe
10
buildings
in
all
of
Ithaca
that
are
relatively
this
size
right
that
you
could
really
I
I,
don't
think,
there's
need
to
excessively
stand
out
from
branding
you're
already
doing
that
by
being
a
really
great
building
right.
You
know
in
an
unbeatable
location,.
M
And
just
to
put
the
size
into
context
if
we
have
excluded
the
larger
icons
at
the
top
of
the
building
each
one
of
these
Channel
letter
signs
are
22
square
feet.
So
you
know
this
is
a
residential
project,
so
it
still
requires
a
variance
because
it's
larger
than
12
square
feet.
But
if
this
was
a
commercial
tenant
in
the
CBD
140
District
you're
allowed
50
square
feet.
So
comparatively
you
know
it
is
about
half
the
size
is
what
a
commercial
tenant
would
allow.
A
So
in
an
effort
to
try
to
bring
this
home
and
say
what
I
think
the
consensus
is
so
that
we
can
say
it
to
be
easy
and
move
on
there's
a
general
lack
of
comfort
with
the
signed
packet
as
a
whole
is
too
big.
That's
discomfort
is
focused
with
the
higher
signs,
mostly,
but
even
with
the
lower
signs,
there
is
a
desire
to
have
them
not
be
illuminated
and
for
at
least
the
one
type
three
sign
facing
the
comments
to
be
smaller
than
it
currently
is.
D
A
M
Know
yeah
I
think
part
of
that
is
the
fact
that
the
logos
were
placed
at
the
top
of
the
building.
So
some
of
what
has
been
discussed
because
I
did
listen
to
this
board's.
Recording
When
I
had
found
out
that
it
was
discussed
previously
and
obviously
your
comments
are
the
same
and
that
the
buffer
logos
are
not
appropriate.
M
You
know
on
the
Green
Street
side,
I
think
the
common
side
is
kind
of
is
what
it
is.
It
has
the
ethic
and
channel
letters
in
a
smaller
type
of
the
logo,
but
barring
the
upper
logos,
you
know
I
know
City
Center
had
a
blade
type
of
sign
approved
so
that
they
could
still-
or
maybe
it's
the
ithacin
lettering
with
the
logo
on
this
street,
face
somewhere
as
well
just
placed
lower
on
the
building
with
a
smaller
size.
M
So
to
answer
your
question
Garrett,
it's
it's
really.
You
know
because
of
what
we
presented.
We
didn't
want
another
logo
on
the
ground
floor,
but
I
think
if
it
doesn't,
you
know,
obviously
if
the
upper
signs
aren't
approved,
that
maybe
there
would
be
something
else
that
we
could
come
up
with
that
kind
of.
Maybe
it's
the
same.
You
know
maybe
it's
the
same
sign
on
both
the
commons
and
the
Green
Street
side
with
the
logo.
Thank.
A
A
N
O
And
then
the
rest
can
join
thanks
everyone.
We
know
you
have
a
busy
schedule
tonight
and
we
appreciate
it.
We
want
to
give
you
some
updates.
The
project
Ife
will
tell
you
what
we
plan
to
do
tonight.
We
understand
that
the
golf
course
area
changes
are
pulled.
We
hope
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
city
very
soon
to
get
clarity
on
our
next
steps
with
that
piece,
but
go
ahead,
Ife
and
then
we'll
hold
it
hand
it
over
to
hold.
N
Yep
thanks
Scott,
so
we
have
a
few
updates
to
present
to
the
board
tonight.
First,
one
is
the
architecture.
There
has
been
some
building
updates
since
last
time
we
met
in
May
and
the
whole
team
is
gonna
get
into
details.
That
later-
and
second
is
the
second
updates-
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
golf
course,
but
we
do
have
two
kayak
launch
location
set
plan
to
show
to
the
board
tonight
and
lastly,
we
would
like
to
discuss
some
of
the
financial
approval
conditions
as.
L
P
B
B
P
P
Yeah,
that's
fine,
okay,
yeah
I'm!
Sorry,
it's
having
a
hard
time
zoom
in
so
so
as
we're
nearing
construction.
We
have
gone
from
you
know,
estimating
and
having
contingencies
for
for
this
project,
to
getting
real
numbers
from
subcontractors
and
contractors
on
this
project
and
I'm
sure
you
all
have
heard
issues
about
the
volatility
in
the
construction
industry
right
now,
but
in
short,
there
were
elements
in
the
in
the
building
design
which
have
really
stopped
us
in
our
tracks.
P
We
have
taken
approach
where
we
we
looked
for
value
added
changes
to
this
project,
that
that
is
prod
changes.
That
would
make
this
project
better,
but
could
save
us.
You
know
somewhat
significant
cost
and
one
of
the
biggest
changes
that
I'm
about
to
show.
You
are
some
adjustments
to
the
massing
and
another
part
of
the
back
history.
P
You
know,
along
with
just
the
fact
that
we're
bringing
the
structural
loads
down
in
the
building
it
it
eliminate
the
you
know
we
had
this
step
back.
That
was
creating
these
really
weird
apartments.
On
the
top
floor
that
we
made
the
best
of
but
they
were
loft
apartments
that
were
two-story
and
all
of
that
just
adds
a
tremendous
amount
of
cost.
I
put
these
two
images
up
because,
as
you
can
see
it's
a
before,
and
after
and
yep
you
know
yes,
there
are
changes
at
first
glance.
P
They
are
pretty
hard
to
to
find
and
to
understand
what
is
changing,
I'm
going
to
walk
you
through
some
other
views
of
the
building.
You
know
this
is
approximately
what
you'd
see
if
you
were
looking
from
the
farmer's
market
it
you
know
this
is
a
view.
That's
that's
sort
of
looking
across
at
the
building
across
at
the
point
and
the
things
that
you're
gonna
see.
Are
you
know
in
the
before
image?
P
There
was
a
step
back
at
the
fifth
floor
and
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
from
this
angle,
but
I'll
show
you
other
angles,
but
from
the
the
change.
From
the
fourth
floor
to
the
fifth
floor,
there
was
a
little
slope
section
of
roof,
and
then
we
had
these
taller
Clara
story
Windows,
which
were
opening
up
into
what
were
loft
apartments
and
those
apartments
were
very
different
from
the
apartments
down
below
so
you'll
see
in
the
proposed
design.
The
fourth
and
fifth
floor
is
a
line.
P
The
there's
more
of
an
alignment
at
the
balconies
there's
a
similar
I
think
was
about
a
five
foot
setback
at
this
location
on
the
corner
of
Point
West,
where
you
know
we
had
like
a
Juliet
balcony
and
a
door
that
you
know
opened
up
to
it,
but
it
was
an
unusable
balcony.
It
was,
and
in
our
in
our
new
proposed
change,
we've
sort
we've
regularized
that
floor
plan.
We
still
have
you
know:
we've
still
designed
the
fifth
floor
to
to
be
sort
of
a
cap
to
the
building.
P
The
the
point
of
the
point
as
designed
would
exceed
the
the
zoning
height
of
63
feet
so
you'll
see
in
the
proposed
it
is
slightly
smaller
but
conceptually
the
same,
you
know
the
same
idea
in
roof
plans
so
that
you
can
understand
so
there's
there's
the
step
back
being
eliminated
at
the
top
floor,
but
the
other
thing
that
we've
done
is
created.
We
still
have
the
sloping
roof
and
if
I
go
back
for
a
moment,
you'll
see
it's
sorry.
P
P
In
your
packet
is
a
view
that
shows
the
building
more
overall
and
again,
that's
a
before,
and
after
I
will
try
to
zoom
in
here
and
when
I
click.
You
should
be
able
to
see
the
change
between
before
and
after
so
the
before
image.
Here's
that
that
fifth
floor,
that
steps
back
the
slope,
the
taller
windows
and
if
I
page
down
it's
gonna.
P
P
Drawing,
if
you
recall
one
our
argument
for
the
for
the
variance
was
that
as
of
right,
if
our
building
was
20
feet
off
the
Waterfront,
and
you
know
the
what
I
can't
remember
the
height
before
the
step
back
that
we
I
think
we
proved
to
everybody
that
visually
our
building
was
less
impactful
than
what
we
could
have
done
as
of
right.
So
we've
recreated
something
like
that
for
you.
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
current
design.
P
The
red
line
is
suggesting
that,
if
you
know
if
we
brought
this
building
up
20
feet
from
the
water
which
is
allowed
by
the
current
zoning-
and
it
was
allowed
to
be
63
feet
tall
at
that
face,
it
would
be.
It
would
have
a
much
larger
visual
impact
on
the
waterfront
The
View
on
the
right
is
even
if
we
maintain
the
same
footprint.
That
is
the
building
stepped
back
from
the
20
feet.
P
You
can
see
that
as
of
right
now
that
the
zoning
has
changed,
this
building
could
be
63
feet
tall,
which
is
the
blue
line
with
a
five
foot
parapet
on
top
so
again
trying
to
illustrate
that
you
know
visually.
This
should
be
much
less
impactful
and
then
we
did
a
couple
of
views
looking
both
east
and
west
of
the
same
thing.
So
this
is
a
little
different
than
your
packet,
the
in
the
packet.
P
The
image
on
the
left
wasn't
wasn't
really
showing
that
the
point
east
building
has
two
sort
of
barbell
pieces
to
it.
So
there
really
would
be
you
know
a
mass
in
front
and
then
further
down
a
mass,
that's
slightly
broken
by
the
lobby,
but
the
red
line
would
illustrate
this
if
it
were
as
of
right,
20
feet
off
the
water
versus
our
building,
which
is
set
back
and
shorter.
P
With
that
I
know,
you
guys
have
a
lot
on
your
agenda,
so
I'm
sure
I,
there
might
have
been
things.
I
should
have
covered
that
that
I
know
you'll
have
questions
so
I'll
Ethan
do
I
understand.
You
wanted
to
turn
this
back
over
to
the
board
for
questions
before
we
moved
on
in
our
agenda.
If,
if
the
board
agrees,
yeah.
N
A
N
K
P
I
am
could
I
answer
that
question
quickly,
the
if
you
look
at
these
renderings,
so
we
we
weren't
able
to
go
back
and
have
professional
renderings
done
of
everything.
The
ground
floor
essentially
hasn't
changed.
There's
a
retaining
wall
in
front
of
that
in
the
landscaping
and
Elizabeth
the
it.
We
talked
about
those
things
before
there
still
is
benches
and
green
space
in
front
of
that,
but
the
it
is
the
rendering
that's
shown
on
the
ground
floor
is
missing
a
lot
of
the
actual
detail.
That's
happening
there,
foreign.
B
I'm,
okay,
with
all
the
changes
I
think
you
know,
the
interior
apartments
are
going
to
be
better.
There
are
no
stuff,
that's
shown
from
that
section
of
the
old
suffers
that
were,
there
are
now
not
necessary,
which
is
a
great
Improvement
for
the
living
quality
in
your
separate
apartments
and
I
think
people
on
the
trail
and
also
across
the
animal
we're
not
going
to
notice
the
difference.
B
N
Actually,
all
right,
so
we
just
wanted
to
show
you
a
general
picture
of
our
reset
font.
Most
of
them
didn't
change.
This
thing
would
change
in
this
place.
The
golf
course
which
we're
not
going
to
get
into
details
today,
but
we
wanted
to
show
you
what
we
have
proposed
for
at
this
location,
which
is
the
Ada
craft
launch,
and
then
this
location
near
the
yogurt
Waterfront
Trail,
which
is
now
of
a
uniformal
launch
site.
O
You
know
we've
been
talking
about
this
this
afternoon
and
what
we'd
actually
like
to
ask
is
that
the
city
work
with
us
and
then
next
few
weeks
to
solve
this
we
had
thought
of
this
is
a
condition
of
the
building
permit
of
moving
that
to
the
CFO.
Just
so
we
can
get
started,
but
instead
of
kicking
this
down
the
can
we
really
want
to
solve
it
and
would
like
to
work
with
the
city
in
the
coming
weeks.
N
Okay,
so
this
is
the
informal
cap
launch
near
Cayuga
water
from
Trail
at
the
boat
current
location.
So
we
are
proposing
a
10
feet,
wide
long
area
for
people
to
set
up
their
kayak
and
then
a
grass
gravel
slope
going
down
toward
water,
which
will
looks
like
this.
You
will
basically
have
a
layer
of
planting
soil
with
grass
seed
and
then
a
layer
of
Bravo
in
those
tonicle
shape
of
structure,
so
the
grass
can
basically
grow
through
the
gravels
and
getting
on
top
of
the
gravel
itself.
N
So
the
slope
itself
is
just
under
eight
percent
and
we
have
15
feet
on
both
ends
of
the
spring,
which
conforms
with
the
recommendation
from
National
Park
Service,
and
we
also
proposed
a
a
bunch
of
plantings
that
will
cover
this
troll
line.
Conditions
will
stabilize
the
shore
and
also
create
some
athletic
features
for
the
for
this
area
and
also
some
other
Stonewall,
basically
retaining
that
great
change
connecting
to
the
existing
sea
wall.
O
N
B
J
So
I
think
I
can
maybe
answer
that
the
goal,
particularly
for
this
Bank
down
to
the
water,
is
that
it
would
naturalize
over
time.
You
know
this
would
not
be
a
a
manicured
planting.
The
idea
here
is
that
the
areas
that
are
labeled
as
lawn
and
the
ramp
would
be
mode,
but
beyond
that
the
plants
on
the
bank
itself
are
native
stabilization
plantings.
So
the
idea
is
they
would
they
would
grow
in
a
naturalized
and
not
require
a
significant
maintenance.
J
B
I
think
we
need
to
see
what
you're
actually
proposing
for
this
John
Wall
like
an
elevation
and
what
kind
of
stone
and
how
look?
How
tall
would
be
I'm,
not
clear
about
how
the
what
is
that
the
edge
that
is
not
Stone
what's
happening
there?
Is
it
you're
just
going
to
even
the?
How
is
it
protected
from
you
know,
erosion,
Creek
and
then
also
for
the
particularly
for
the
people
who
are
going
to
live
there.
I
would
suggest
having
a
kayak
rack.
B
E
A
Save
for
my
own
piece,
I
I
I'm,
getting
from
the
sense
of
the
room,
there's
an
appetite
to
move
on
and
very
sympathetic
to
that,
but
in
PRC
it
seemed
to
me
like
this
design
was
pretty
perfunctory
I
believe
I
said
as
much
and
we
formalized
some
stuff.
We've
we've
done
some
reinforcing
of
the
smoke
the
smoke
path
and
we
have
more
of
a
plan
to
protect
that
from
degradation.
C
It's
public
access
to
the
water,
and
if
the
city
is
meeting
the
developer
in
the
middle
to
accommodate,
you
know
a
shift
in
the
market
and
Rising
costs,
then
I
think
this
is
an
area
that
you
know
shouldn't
have
overwhelming
costs
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
is
more
substantial.
Maybe
is
the
word
so
you
know
just
a
thought,
but
I
actually
moved
well.
I
wasn't
involved
in
this
budget
from
the
beginning,
but
I
think
that's
more
than
reasonable.
The
structures
proposed
do
seem
very
lackluster,
but.
A
K
K
So
that's
my
reason
for
not
bringing
it
up,
but
absolutely
it
doesn't
meet
the
level
of
design
that
the
rest
of
the
Promenade
has
and
it
doesn't
integrate
the
kite
orange
into
that
kind
of
and
Lisa's
suggestion
is
right
on
point
I
own,
a
kayak
and
like
it
would
be
amazing
if
you
had
a
place
that
people
could
rent
a
spot
to
starter
kayaks
right
there.
So
I
think
that
would
probably
be
a
good
addition
to
this.
So.
A
B
Guys
saw
your
hand
yeah
just
I
want
to
say
that
it
could
maybe
consider
being
part
of
the
Lake
blueway
Trail
I
mean
that's
a
way
to
kind
of
formalize
it
as
a
means
of
Entry
to
keep
a
link
like
you
know,
East
Shore,
Park
I
know
has
just
a
small
side
saying
you
know
it
was
like
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
You
know
a
major
undertaking,
but
it
doesn't
formalize
it
as
a
stop
and
really
you.
O
A
B
Just
you
know,
I
think
you
have
bumped
up
this.
The
kayak
launch
at
the
East
Side,
quite
a
bit
more
plants
and
I
think
we
could
see
a
lot
of
that
design
that
has
developed
in
elevation,
but
we
can
see
it
in
plan,
but
I
think
we
can
really
see
it
if,
if
we
had
an
elevation
showing
a
little
bit
more
of
the
planting,
is
that
something
you
can
provide
and
I
I
do
agree,
though,
that
ADA
kayak
wand
is
is
lackluster,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
can.
K
K
A
N
And
share
really
quickly,
so
we
have
a
few
conditions
under
building
permit,
first,
one
being
the
submission
of
any
needed
executed,
easement
agreement
between
the
city
and
applicant
for
this
one,
specifically
we're
referring
to
the
kayak
incident.
We
just
talked
about
so
the
informal
one
right
here.
I
know
that
our
attorney
is
working
with
the
city
attorney
to
prepare
the
documents
make
it
you
know
official,
but
we're
we're
not
sure
how
long
it's
going
to
take.
So
we're
wondering
whether
we
could
request
to
move
this
condition
to
under
either
CFO
or
additional
conditions.
N
This
is
already
underway,
but
you
know
just
a
timeline
might
hold
up
our
building
permit
application
and
then
the
second
one
under
the
booting
permanent
section.
Is
this
number
four
regarding
the
golf
course
we
talk
about
it,
I
think
we
have
reached
a
consent
that
this
might
be
worked
out
relatively
soon,
so
we
may
not
need
to
request
this
route.
Is
that
correct,
Scott.
O
N
And,
lastly,
is
under
additional
conditions:
25
so
per
hour
conversation
with
the
city
stop
and
do
T.
We
will
have
to
revise
the
language
to
be
more
specific,
like
not
saying
any
recommendations.
I'm
sure
the
port
number
has
a
copy
of
our
proposed
language
in
front
of
you,
so
we're
just
wondering
whether
that
that
can
be
changed.
B
A
Q
B
A
Conditions:
okay,
so
there's
no
necessary
resolution
I'll
vote
on
this
tonight,
but
the
board
has
started
with
staff,
has
level
of
comfort
with
two
requests
that
are
remaining
I'm,
not
hearing
any
opposition
from
the
board.
This
sounds
to
me
like.
We
could
probably
move
on
anything
else
on
this
project
tonight.
B
Someone
asked
them
I'm
just
going
to
turn
this
off.
Can
you
can
you
hear
me,
okay
in
the
the
people
who
aren't
in
the
room?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
so
I
would
just
ask
for
next
month
should
we
resolve
the
golf
course
layout,
which
I
believe
we
will
and
would
the
board
be
ready
to
be
to
move
on
to
approval
of
these
changes,
including
the
golf
course
and
if
not,
what
else,
what
other
informations
do
we
need.
A
That's
an
excellent
question
so
now
would
be
a
good
time
for
more
memories
to
think
about
what,
if
anything
else,
you
would
need
to
see
to
approve
those
golf
course
changes
and
anything
else.
We've
seen
tonight.
The
Kayaks
come
to
mind
most
obviously,
but
we
pretty
well
talked
that
through
anything
else,
we
need
to
see
I'm
seeing
some
shaky
heads.
F
P
S
Yeah,
we'll
we'll
discuss
those
tonight,
so
we
are
here
for
the
you
know
the
hive
project
at
132,
Cherry
Street,
hoping
for
our
preliminary
and
final
approval
tonight
we
did
send
in
a
number
of
you
know,
revised
drawings
this
month.
You
know
all
dealing
with
this
issue
that
we
discussed
at
the
PRC
meeting
of
widening
this
entry
Courtyard
in
order
to
provide
a
26
foot
wide
aerial,
Access,
Fire
Road,
to
this
North
building.
S
S
S
S
S
This
is
just
that
that
revised
elevation
sheet
and
then
this
is
looking
at
the
the
west
elevation
of
that
south
building.
So
in
you
know
from
inside
the
courtyard
you
know
previously
and
now
the
new
elevation
again
the
building
gets
a
little
bit
shorter
and
then
the
other
thing
we've
done
is
we've.
We've
moved
the
balcony
from
the
the
South
or
yes
outside
of
that
building
around
the
corner.
S
S
Again,
it's
like
you
know
our
our
corrugated
metal
cladding,
which
you
know
you
have
many
samples
of
tonight.
We
I
think
we
provided
a
flat
sample
of
the
white
metal
just
because
we
weren't
able
to
obtain
one
that
was
corrugated
and
then
I
know.
There
were
some
outstanding
questions
about
the
perforated
metal
screen.
S
Hopefully
you
also
received
that
I
know.
I
I
think
I
sent
it
to
Becky
last
week,
so
we
did
obtain
a
perforated,
galvanized
or
galvolume
screen
sample
the
the
holes
are
maybe
a
little
smaller
than.
Ideally,
we
would
like
you
know
we're
looking
at
I
would
say
you
know
holes
in
a
range
from
the
size
of
that
sample,
but
you
know,
ideally
maybe
something
larger
like
in
this
photo
up
to
a
half
inch
in
diameter.
S
S
L
Yes
sure
so,
as
we
discussed
in
the
PRC,
we
are
working
with
the
different
murals
on
this
framework
for
the
selection
of
the
murals
artists.
So
we
would
like
to
put
out
a
call
for
qualifications
requesting
artists
to
submit
the
bio
examples
of
previous
works
and
also,
ideally,
a
proposal
of
a
mural
on
how
it
would
look
like,
and
then
they
would
have
kind
of
like
a
framework
of
what
you're
looking
for
in
terms
of
team
and
what
subject
matters
color
palettes.
L
K
I'm
really
excited
about
the
public
comment
and
murals
I'm
glad
that
we
finally
had
a
project
with
some
public
art
I.
Think
that's
a
really
nice
feature
of
building
the
materials
are
great
and
I
agree
that
the
perforation
fits
larger
will
read
better
as
a
different
material
and
I.
Just
thank
you
guys
knocked
this
one
out
of
the
park.
I
think
it's
a
really
nice
project.
K
A
C
I
I
mirror
the
sense
of
it.
This
is
a
really
really
great
project
and
it's
been
a
really
great
working
with
you
guys,
there's
a
receptiveness
that
is
to
demonstrated
in
the
most
follow-up
calls.
But
thank
you
for
that.
I
have
one
question
and
that
is
the
visuals
provided
there
does
seem
to
be
a
material
difference,
a
visual
difference
in
the
it's
like
the
railing
in
the
balconies.
It
does
seem
to
be
appropriated
or
translucent.
Is
that
also
the
galvanized
perforated
metal,
sheeting
or.
S
S
There
are
the
the
reset
whoops,
the
recessed
balconies
that
occur
in
the
the
one
bedroom
units
that
have
the
fiber
cement
cladding
and
so
those
those
all
right,
those
balconies
and
actually
these
two
floors
have
galvanized
pickets
and
then
the
the
balconies
in
the
center.
On
the
third
floor,
those
have
a
perforated
galvanized
sheeting,
as
do
the
you
know,
column
projected
balconies
that
are
on
the
the
two-bedroom
units.
C
S
A
You
so
we
have
not
moved
the
resolution
yet
which
I
will
look
for
in
a
minute,
but
I
think
talking
about
materiality
is
you
know
pretty
optimal
in
terms
of
timing?
Maybe
because
it's
the
last
fighting
yeah.
It
won't
be
because
we
are
now
sitting
in
with
material
for
the
first
time
and
it's
been
a
top
conversation
before.
Is
there
a
level
of
comfort
with
materials
that
we
we've
seen
and
interact
with
set
and
signals.
A
A
A
Do
we
think
we
need
those
conditions
given
what
we've
seen
no
procedurally,
since
they
are
listed,
we
would
do
an
amendment.
Is
that
correct
all
right?
Is
there
a
motion
to
remove
those
conditions?
I
saw
Elizabeth,
move
and
CJ
II
any
discussion
saying
not
all
those
in
favor
of
removing
those
two
conditions
from
the
resolution.
That
is
unanimous.
Any
other
discussion
on.
B
S
S
A
G
A
L
A
B
B
The
purpose
of
this
project
is
to
provide
a
four-story
building
for
the
the
College
of
computing
and
information
Sciences
to
provide
them
with
an
additional
space
for
growth
in
student
population
faculty,
hiring
and
research
activity,
and
to
consolidate
the
currently
disconnected
departments
that
are
in
different
places
in
campus
right
now.
Next
slide,
the
location
is
the
location
of
the
Hawaii
baseball
field
along
Hoy
Road,
it's
completely
surrounded
by
campus
property
and
it's
bordered
by
Gates
Hall
to
the
north
and
Hoy
road
to
the
South
next
slide.
B
A
A
B
B
Is
from
campus
road
that
link
that
will
link
this
building
to
campus
Road
and
also
connect
it
to
Gates
Hall
and
the
next
rendering
I
believe
is
a
close-up
of
that
entrance
way
from
campus
road.
So
you
can
understand
the
different
levels
of
Entry
that
you
can
get
down
to
the
ground
floor.
There's
a
significant
grade,
change
between
Campus
room
and
the
grade
in
the
green
space
in
in
between
the
two
buildings
and
then
we'll
also
there'll
be
a
bridge
to
get
you
straight
across
to
an
upper
level.
B
A
A
A
E
B
A
C
I
I
go
ahead
and
I
I
know
that
you
know
not
to
stress
this
so
much
because
I
know
it's
been
brought
some
attention,
but
he's
sort
of
referencing
or
homage
that
we
killed
or
David
Boyd
I
know
that
you,
you
said
you
were
working
on
something
and
you
know
probably
that's
in
process.
But
you
know:
we've
gotten
a
great
amount
of
granularity
on
seeing
bike,
racks,
plantings
and
so
I
wondered
if
that's
ready
or
it's
something
that
will
come
along
the
road.
B
Would
you
like
me
to
speak
to
that?
Okay?
Yes,
so
there
is
agreement
within
Cornell
there's
a
design
idea
about
making
a
reference
to
home
plates
and
the
sketches
of
that
have
circulated
among
all
of
the
stakeholders
within
Cornell
and
everybody's
on
board
with
that,
and
we
will
bring
you
images
of
that
next
month.
It's
I,
don't
necessarily
think
it's
a
Seeker
related
thing,
but
it
will
happen
and
you'll
be
able
to
see
it
at
your
next
month's
meeting.
A
A
I
believe
we
did
CJ
yes,
Daniel,
yes,
Mitch,
yes
and
I'm.
Also
a
yes.
You
have
a
unanimous
name
that
let's
take
some
time
now
to
have
questions
or
comments
on
the
design
of
the
whole.
We
did
get
to
see
a
bunch
of
renderings,
including
new,
rendering
and
I'm
sure
that
there's
probably
something
to
be
said
about.
B
B
B
G
It's
really
helpful
to
understand
how
the
building
sits
on
the
site
and
how
it
relates
to
the
road
and
kind
of
the
transparency
and
the
relationship
between
the
building
and
the
road
in
a
way
that
the
plant
I
couldn't
really
tell
from
a
plan,
but
like
a
little
bit
more
of
a
buffer
landscape,
but
I
can
really
tell
that
it's
open
and
the
views
are
open
and
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
also
the
new
view
from
the
entrance
on
Tower
Road.
That's
very
helpful.
That's
a
really
great
image
to
understand
that
relationship.
G
B
This
is
Cornell's
landscape
facilities.
Group
that
does
take
care
of
this
landscape
and
I
know
that
it
is
part
of
protocol
that
the
that
Dan
Scheid,
who
runs
the
Landscape
Group
at
Cornell,
is
part
of
the
design,
review
meetings
and
Sarah
I
see
you
nodding.
There
you've
been
having
conversations
with
Dan
about
supporting
him
and
and
creating
a
landscape
that
he
can
manage.
F
D
C
P
T
Thank
you,
Steve
yeah,
Adam,
official
Marathon
engineering.
We
had
submitted
a
rather
I
think
a
detailed
Landscaping
plan
from
what
we
had
originally
submitted
there
a
while
ago,
with
the
intent
to
try
to
break
up
some
of
the
massing
but
also
meet.
You
know
check
the
box
that
the
planning
board
had
presented
us
with
providing
a
robust
planting
plan
along
both
Linden
and
bull
frontages,
starting
with
Linden
Avenue.
The
plan
has
two
I
guess
for
Street
trees.
T
You
know
on
both
sides
we're
using
more
of
a
columnar
deciduous
tree,
whether
it's
the
it's
the
gosh
there.
It
is
the
Lucas
horn
Beam
on
on
the
Bull
Street
side.
We
have
four
of
those
those
generally
get
to
be
about
20,
to
30
feet
tall
with
a
narrow
spread
of
about
10,
to
12
feet
wide
and
on
the
Linden
Avenue
side.
We
have
a
columnar
lilac
tree
that
I'll
get
about
15
to
20
feet
tall
and
about
a
15
foot,
spread
keeping
in
mind
that
we
have
overhead
wires
along
both
frontages.
T
So
we
didn't
want
to
put
in
you
know
a
lot,
a
large
deciduous
tree
with
a
large
canopy.
That
is
just
going
to
get
hacked
up
and
carved
out
to
maintain
service
on
those
utility
lines.
So
that's
what
we're
doing
for
Street
trees
as
far
as
ground
cover
goes
we're
mixing
in
some
evergreen
shrubs
with
some
grasses
along
both
frontages
and
some
lilies.
On
the
Linden
Avenue
side,
the
staircase
on
Linden
Avenue
is
straddled
by
some
some
low-level
shrubs
to
break
up
that
view,
as
well
and
on
the
north
east
corner.
T
We
have
some
columnar
junipers
to
break
up
that
facade.
On
the
back
or
west
side.
We
have
some
decorative
grasses
and
shrubs
along
with
one
of
those
horn
beams
there
at
this
house,
West
Corner.
That
is
also
the
area
that
is
going
to
be
used
as
a
seating
area.
So
we
also
have
some
Boulders
there
to
to
break
up
the
facade
of
that
window.
Well
as
well,
you
know
I,
think
part
of
the
challenge
here
talking
to
where
landscape
architect
is
salting.
T
You
know
the
the
area
is
going
to
get
salted
heavily
with
the
sidewalks
and
all
those
salt
spray
from
both
frontages,
so
plant
selection
they're
trying
to
be
careful
on
selecting
the
plants
of
a
variety
that
is
salt,
resistant
and
salt
tolerant.
You
know
we
could
get
into
some
pretty
decorative
plant
types,
but
those
also
are
pretty
pretty
sensitive
to
Salt.
So
that's
kind
of
the
long
and
short
of
what
we're
doing
for
landscaping.
T
The
other
idea
here
we
were
trying
not
to
provide
a
bunch
of
tall
landscaping
and
Tall
shrub
growth
at
the
windows
so
to
you
know,
try
to
avoid
blocking
any
of
that
view
from
inside
the
building
out
as
well.
So
I
guess,
that's
you
know
again
the
long
and
short
of
the
landscaping
for
this
one.
Okay,.
P
And
I'll
just
add
that
the
from
the
very
simple
Landscaping
concept
plan
we
had
before
directly
out
of
your
comments,
there
were
questions
about
you
know,
could
is
there
space
in
back
of
the
building
that
could
be
occupiable?
And
you
know,
while
it's
small,
that's
that
was
direct
results
or
our
direct
result
of
that
was
this
idea
of
these
sort
of
Boulder
a
bouldered
seating
area.
P
P
That's
sloping
down
about
two
feet:
it's
not
a
a
major
grade
change,
but
so
we
are
sloping
down
about
two
feet
from
the
Bull
Street
sidewalk,
to
accessible
entrance
that
that
tucks
on
underneath
and
then
we
also
as
a
result
of
the
comments
by
all
of
you
created
this
raised
stoop
entry
as
opposed
to
stepping
down
into
the
building
the
building
elevations
we
presented.
This
is
I
think
very
similar
to
what
we
presented
at
PRC,
sorry,
my
drawings,
generating.
P
P
You
know
a
covered
entry
and
while
we
we
can't
do
a
solid
canopy,
we
could
do
something
like
a
sun
shade
without
increasing
our
our
lot
coverage,
and
we
really
like
the
idea
of
some
sort
of
shade
structure
over
the
main
doors
and
so
that
projects
just
slightly
from
this
sort
of
fields,
the
the
darker
siding
material
and
then
this
entrance,
the
entrance
area,
is
actually
recessed
back
into
the
building.
Some
five
or
six
feet.
P
I
can
measure
that
if
somebody's
interested
I
don't
remember
offhand
other
elements
that
we've
added
along
the
way
we
are
furring
out
the
the
black
siding
from
the
the
faux
wood
siding,
which
is
recessed
in
about
some
some
place
around
three
quarters
of
an
inch
but
enough
to
show
a
shadow
line
so
everywhere
that
you
see
the
black
and
the
wood
color.
There
is
a
slight
plane
change
there
and
a
shadow
line.
We
also
have
built
out
sort
of
like
a
modern,
a
modern
bay
window.
P
P
So
on
the
Bull
Street
facade
this,
these
two
bookend
pieces
are
projected
about
nine
inches
from
the
rest
of
the
facade
we
have
since
what
you
previously
had
seen.
There
were
places
where
we
brought
glazing
all
the
way
down
to
the
floor,
and
that
was
that
really
proved
to
be
problematic
with
the
apartments
it
made.
Those
walls
unusable
and
probably
as
close
as
they
are
to
the
street,
they
they
didn't
really
afford
for
very
much
privacy,
so
we
have
eliminated.
P
P
I
believe
we
previously
showed
you
this,
but
we
we
are
looking
at
fiber
cement,
siding
the
the
wood
material
is
a
wood
textured
fiber
cement
that
would
be
in
all
those
recesses
and
then
the
the
black
siding
is
more
like
a
ship
lap.
It's
not.
It
doesn't
look
like
a
traditional
horizontal,
siding,
it's
a
little
more
contemporary
and
we
are
looking
at
that
material
for
the
the
darker
siding.
P
The
sketch
detail
is
showing
how
the
darker
siding
creates
a
shadow
line
between
it
and
and
the
wood
colored
siding
or
the
Khaki
siding,
and
also
based
on
your
comments.
There
were
questions
about
materiality
I
think,
especially
around
the
entry.
The
lower
entrance
has
the
short
retaining
walls.
We
are
cladding
in
in
a
in
a
cultured
stone
material.
This
dark
cultured
stone
with
a
dark
stone
cap
on
the
wall.
P
L
P
A
You
thank
you
very
much.
Oh
I'll
remind
myself
again.
Thank
you
very
much,
so
I'll
ask
the
board
that
we
do
have
on
the
agenda
today.
Design
review,
which
means,
if
I,
don't
hear
from
you
in
this
discussion.
I
will
have
someone
calling
you
just
to
make
sure
we
get
everybody's
input,
but
with
that
questions
and
comments
from
reports,
foreign.
K
B
B
D
D
A
E
B
E
A
E
E
E
E
B
L
G
H
Yes,
we
we
have,
we
actually
engage
with
architectural
Studio
over
at
Cornell
who
visited
the
property
last
week
to
kind
of
do
kind
of
a
documentation
study,
so
we
are
engaging
with
Partners
to
see
what
might
be
able
to
be
salvaged
from
the
building
before
it
gets.
You
know,
removed
as
part
of
this
project.
So
that's
definitely,
you
know
part
of
our
thought
process
as
we're
moving
forward.
A
G
A
So
we've
heard
from
The
Advocate
there's
a
willingness
to
engage
on
it,
but
to
the
extent
that
checking
AES
you
know
so
they
signal
of
our
Rangers
I
I
have
no
strong
feelings.
The
board
would
like
it
checked.
Yes,
second,
that
that's
fine
is
there,
does
the
board
lead
one
way
or
the
other?
Do
we
want
to
go
around
the
room.
L
A
A
E
F
B
G
A
So
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
write
that
in
this
part,
three
okay,
so
we'll
document
that
request
and
I
think
that
this
board
is.
It
very
much
appreciates
the
deconstruction
effort
that
you're
pursuing
that
and
it's
great
that
you
were
already
pursuing
it
before
it
came
up
today.
Yeah
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
board
on
this
Elizabeth
can.
L
A
F
B
A
B
Then
we
introduce
this
project
to
you.
Last
month,
the
city
fire
department
needs
to
put
a
new
new
facility
in
college
town
and
the
location
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide.
Location
selected
is
two
properties
that
are
adjacent
to
each
other,
at
the
corner
of
Dryden,
Road
and
Elmwood
Road
in
college
town
and
tonight
we're
hoping
that
you
could
consider
the
secret
determination
we
have
handed
in
our
first
set
of
materials
and
then
been
communicating
with
Nikki.
She
gave
us
a
list
of
additional
things.
B
She
just
wanted
to
make
sure
she
had
all
the
information
to
be
able
to
finish
the
part
three
and
we
handed
it
a
supplemental
set
of
materials
to
address
that
this
is
an
image
you
see
here
of
the
existing
properties.
This
photos
taken
from
Dryden
Road
and
the
proposed
fire
station
will
take
up
both
of
these
Lots.
H
B
B
B
There
are
no
significant
negative
environmental
impacts
that
we
can
see
as
a
result
of
this
project.
It's
on
previously
Disturbed
sites.
It
will
comply
with
the
Green,
Building
Code
and
also
the
New
York
State
Building
Code.
It
will
not
significantly
increase
traffic
and
in
the
next
slide
it
is
aligned
with
zoning.
The
firehouse
isn't
allowed
use
in
the
zone
and
the
project
will
meet
the
required
yard
setbacks
and
the
minimum
and
maximum
wage
for
the
building.
B
The
one
thing
it
doesn't
align
with
current
zoning
is
that
the
essential
building
program,
meaning
the
amount
of
space
necessary
to
put
the
equipment
and
the
people
and
the
fire
trucks
on
the
site,
requires
a
larger
footprint
building
than
lot
coverage
allows.
So
that
is
a
that
is
not
aligned
with
the
current
zoning,
but
it
is
aligned
with
what's
necessary
in
order
to
operate
the
fire
department.
B
B
Since
then,
bicycle
racks
have
been
added
to
the
plan
and
there's
one
bicycle
rack
at
the
front:
entrance
the
building
and
three
bicycle
racks
in
the
back
of
the
building
picnic
area
in
the
northeast
corner
and
the
event
for
the
entry
to
the
Firehouse.
The
fire
truck
entry
has
been
updated
to
be
heavy
duty
concrete,
and
we
also
built
a
site
model
to
accompany
the
building
model,
and
we
have
some
renderings
to
show
you
that
combine
the
building
on
the
sites.
B
B
A
Ourselves
lead
agents
on
this
project
we
have
before
us
in
our
packet
with
salmon
color
resolution
titled
declaration
Elite
agency
is
very
motion.
Tool
set
resolution,
I
see
Elizabeth,
move
and
CJ.
Second,
this
doesn't
be
a
girl
call
vote.
But
before
that
is
there
any
discussion
saying
none
Eric
can
I
start
with
you?
Yes,
Mitch.
Yes,
Daniel,
yes,
CJ,
yes,
Elizabeth,
yes,
Emily!
Yes,
all
right!
We
are
now
the
lead
Agency.
On
this
project.
We
have
our
applicant
back.
A
Yeah
we've
lost
her
again.
Okay,
I
think
that
there's
been
enough
of
a
presentation.
We
can't
have
the
public
hearing,
which
is
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
so
I'm
going
to
look
for
a
motion
for
that
I
see
Daniel
move.
Is
there
a
second
I
see
Elizabeth's?
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
voting
public
hearing
public
hearing
is
now
open.
Is
there
any
number
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak
before
we
board
on
this
project.
A
B
H
S
D
L
B
Okay,
I'm,
not
gonna
turn
my
video
on
I.
Don't
know.
What's
going
on
with
why
this
keeps
dropping
out
for
me,
we
are
putting
the
concrete
sidewalk
through
the
drive
lane
on
Dryden
and
the
new
illustrator
plan.
I
believe
shows
that
and
the
entire
apron
and
driveway
into
the
building
along
Elmwood
is
now
all
concrete.
B
Thank
you
for
that
questions
or
comments
Emily
on
Elmo.
It
looks
really
steep
on
the
North
side,
so
maybe
there's
no
sidewalk,
but
that
sort
of
goes
to
my
larger
question.
I
would
love
to
see
an
expanded
View
of
the
additional
houses,
even
if
it's
super
simple
line,
drawing
or
just
photograph
collage
on
Elmwood
and
upthriting
a
little
bit
further
like
a
street
view
like
a
street
view,
yeah
just
how
it
fits
in,
because
I
can
see
that
the
the
roof
lines
on
Elmwood.
B
G
B
A
All
right,
we'll
move
on
to
design
review
and
next
up
I
believe
we
have
review
of
The
Thief
Part
three
spell
off
the
presses.
You
just
received
it
in
the
paper.
We
don't
have
an
action
on
this
tonight
and,
if
we're
not
deciding
secret
study,
but
it
is
a
good
chance
to
review
the
state
of
the
environmental
documentation
and
Nikki.
Do
you
have
any
pointers
on
where
we
should
focus
our
attention.
A
One
thing
that
I
noticed
that
I
didn't
see
anything
any
impact
on
Transportation
relating
to
the
actual
fire
truck
stuff,
wow
and
I.
Don't
know
if
we
need
to
speak
to
that,
but
if
so
I
would
imagine
there'd
be
some
impact
from
you
know
to
travel
the
emergency
vehicle
I
live
near
a
firehouse
myself,
it's
not
extreme,
but
there
you
know
there
is
some
impact.
A
A
H
P
P
Long
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
there
are
changes
in
elevation
between
those
planes,
so
you're
going
to
see
some
color
change
and
some
storefront
zones
that
indicate
where
the
massing
is
is
changing
and
from
a
distance.
Those
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
when
you
saw
the
elevation,
you
realized
that
those
things
were
happening
and
you
know.
Similarly,
on
the
on
the
west
facade,
there
is
sort
of
a
a
straight
length
of
facade,
and
then
there
are
some
undulations
in
the
massing.
P
Okay
and
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
we
did
show
an
elevation
very
similar
to
these
and
I
think
some.
You
know
it
was
more
of
the
lines
of
a
question.
I
think
people
generally
responded
pretty
well
to
the
overall
approach,
and
then
there
were
questions
about.
Could
we
make
the
facade
more
three-dimensional?
So
so
you
know
we
did
want
to
point
out.
There
are
these
two
existing
buildings
on
Meadow
Street.
We
we've
treated
the
corner
of
Meadow
in
Buffalo,
sort
of
like
the
headpiece
to
this
building.
P
So
there's
a
color
change,
material
change
between
what
happens.
You
know
from
this
existing
building
to
Buffalo
and,
as
you
turn
the
corner,
the
facade
on
Buffalo
is
more
of
a
gray
Mass.
We
also
heard
a
comment
about
not
wanting
to
see
a
building
that
was
all
gray
and
that
in
this
climate
we
have
too
many
gray
days.
I
completely
agree
with
that
comment.
P
At
the
same
time,
you
know
dark
gray
or
the
gunmetal
gray
is
is
sort
of
very
contemporary
at
this
time
it's
a
popular
material.
So
what
we've
proposed
is
this
headpiece,
being
more
of
this
gray
palette
and
the
the
body
of
the
building
being
more
of
a
you
know,
we
refer
to
it
as
a
stone,
a
stone
color.
The
color
variation
is
intended
to
be
like
the
variations
in
stone
and
not
a
speckling
of
the
facade.
P
So
there
there
are
going
to
be
slight
variations
in
the
in
the
Shades
of
Gray
in
the
shades
of
the
stone
color
and
since
the
last
time
we
we
presented
to
you,
we
are
suggesting
these
accent
panels
that
sort
of
banned
double
stories
of
the
building
and
create
another
sort
of
spatial
reading
on
the
facade,
and
they
would
both
be
an
accent
color.
You
know
that
is
something
more
of
a
hue
than
a
gray
or
a
neutral
and
would
also
project
from
the
facade.
P
Maybe
you
know
a
couple
inches
more
than
the
rest
of
the
facade.
We
also
were
keeping
in
mind
your
comments.
There
are
some
you
know
fairly
inexpensive
ways
we
can.
We
can
create
three-dimensionality,
which
is
by
sort
of
cantilevering
the
floor
system
very
slightly,
so
we're
envisioning
that
this,
this
lighter
gray
band
at
every
floor
could
project
slightly
from
the
bands
above
and
below
it,
to
create
another
Shadow
line
as
well.
P
P
P
So
you
know
this
would
be
the
rear
facade
of
the
building.
So
again,
you're
seeing
the
the
driveway
open
would
not
be
functional.
You
wouldn't
be
able
to
drive
a
car
from
underneath
the
building
to
the
north
side
of
the
building,
but
it
would
be
open
and
you'd
be
able
to
view
into
that
space
and
there
is
egress
stair
that
comes
and
touches
down
on
The
Hardscape
and
green
space.
It's
on
that
corner
Adam.
P
So
we
could
build
rate
up
to
a
zero
lot
line
condition
but
we're
pushing
that
facade
of
the
building
back
about
five
or
six
feet,
and
then
we
are
creating
these
stamp
Crete
sort
of
paved
entrances
into
the
individual
retail
areas
to
Mark
those
areas
and
carved
out
a
place
for
a
a
bench
along
Meadow
Street.
So
this
Central
Area
would
both
have
the
the
paver,
the
stamp
Crete
favorite
area,
with
a
bench
for
both
public
and
private
use.
As
you
turn
the
corner
in
our
previous
design,
I,
don't
believe
previously.
P
We
did
show
you
this
carve
out
on
Buffalo,
but
on
Buffalo
we
didn't
move
the
whole
facade
back,
but
we've
we've
cut
into
the
building
facade,
so
there'd
be
this
like
really
beautiful
Shadow
line
and
the
storefront
would
would
cut
underneath
and
the
building
would
cantilever
over
that
storefront
entrance
into
the
retail
and
you're,
seeing
the
driveway
apron.
That
takes
you
underneath
the
building,
and
let
me
see
what
else.
Let
me
just
zoom
out.
P
The
north
end
of
the
building
we,
this
area
back
here
would
be
would
double
as
both
in
in
a
fire
emergency
the
fire.
A
fire
truck,
would
be
able
to
drive
and
park
here
and
have
ladder
access
to
the
to
the
end
of
the
building.
But
we
very
much
would
like
to
have
that
Hardscape
surface
be
something
you
know
other
than
other
than
just
asphalt,
but
you
know
either
a
pavert
or
a
stamp
Creek
surface.
P
T
Note
the
the
planting
plan,
you
know,
I
think
what
we
try
to
do
is
emphasize
some
of
the
lane,
keeping
on
North
Meadow
with
some.
You
know,
low
level
plantings,
because
you
know
the
storefront
Glasgow
is
pretty
much
all
the
way
down
at
the
floor
levels,
so
not
wanting
to
Shield
much
in
the
way
of
the
storefront,
so
we're
using
some
grasses
and
low
low
level
evergreen
shrubs
along
that
area
that
are
both
salt,
tolerant
and
low
low
growth.
So
to
again
not
not
block
the
the
view
of
the
storefront.
T
On
the
North
side,
we
have
six
columnar
junipers
there
to
break
up
that
facade
and
a
few
you
know,
four
to
five
foot
tall
evergreen
shrubs
in
the
lower
left
southwest
corner
as
you're
entering
off
of
Buffalo
Street.
One
of
the
other
additions
that
we
added
here
are
some
perimeter
security,
fencing.
You
know
black
vinyl
coated
chain
link
fence
to
match
the
fencing
that
was
put
in
on
the
west
side
of
the
new
or
sorry.
T
The
east
side
of
the
new
development
that
borders
the
west
side
of
this
property,
so
it'll
be
gated
access
on
the
Northern
limits
to
the
east
and
west
perimeter,
fence
securing
the
southwest
corner
and
then
a
gated
access
point
to
the
sidewalk
that
leads
to
the
bike
storage
area
on
the
north
side
of
the
Southern
kind
of
Buffalo
or
sorry
North,
Meadow
Street,
bump
out.
There.
H
T
H
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We've
got
some
actions
on
this
for
today
evening
and
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
through
those
before
we
get
into
feedback.
First
up
we
have
lead
agency.
Is
there
a
motion
to
the
clearly
agent
I
saw
CJ
first,
and
then
it
was
it
that
second,
the
discussion
seeing
none
on
a
road
called
vote.
Mitch
can
I
start
with
you.
Yes,
Daniel.
L
A
Yes,
yes,
I'm
also
a
yes,
you
have
a
lead
agency,
and
next
up
is
public.
Hearing
is
very
motion
to
open
public
hearing.
I
saw
Elizabeth
first
and
then
Daniel's.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
welcome
to
public
hearing
public
hearing
is
now
open.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak
before
the
board.
A
E
B
N
B
P
P
B
G
Yeah
you
looked
at
this
at
PRC
I,
really
like
the
incorporation
of
the
color,
the
vertical
coloring
strips
I.
Think
that's
a
really
nice
move.
I
like
that.
You
have
cantilevering
out
to
create
Shadow
lines.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea!
Steve
the
building
appears
to
be
all
one
level.
It
looks
like
a
pretty
flat
cake
up
there
at
the
top.
Are
there
any
variations
on
the
top?
G
Is
one
question
then
the
other
question
I
have
has
to
do
with
the
streetscape
and
wondering
what
kinds
of
uses
would
go
in
the
retail
spaces
and
if
it's
food
related,
could
there
be
more
of
a
sidewalk,
dining
type
operation?
That's
similar
to
Ithaca
Bakery
down
the
street,
which
I
think
works
really
well
in
a
very
small
space
and
it's
very
active
and
it
activates
the
street
with
people
which
I
think
is
really
great.
L
G
B
U
B
B
F
V
They
also
have
with
us
Gary
Sloan,
the
applicant
John
Snyder
John,
Snyder
Architects
and
Margo
Tuten,
with
shooting
crowbridge
Landscape
Architects
very
quickly,
just
want
to
share
what
our
expectations
would
be
for
the
tonight.
We
know:
there's
a
lead
agency
determination,
we'll
have
a
quick
presentation
to
update
the
full
board
on
modifications
that
we
made
to
both
the
site
plan
and
the
exterior
envelope
of
the
building,
and
also
the
landscape
plan,
and
and
then
look
forward
to
identifying
those
substantive
issues
that
you
and
we
will
be
looking
at.
V
V
A
V
Let
Margot
speak
to
those
in
a
moment
and
we
we
did
lose
as
a
result
of
making
some
of
these
additional
landscape
features.
We
lost
one
of
the
the
vacuum
stations,
so
the
original
submission
had
seven
were
down
down
to
six.
At
this
point,
John
Schneider
has
been
working
on
developing
some
prospective
views
above
the
building.
V
We
did
hear
at
the
last
meeting
with
the
full
board
some
interest
in
seeing
an
expression
of
what
Gary's
facility
is
on
North
triphammer
Road
in
the
village
of
Lansing,
and
if
you'll
recall,
we
had
a
very
flat
roof
line
in
the
original
presentation
and
now
we're
kind
of
introducing
some
of
the
elements
of
Gary's
building
up
on
trip.
Hammer
and
John.
Do
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
discuss
how
we're
dealing
with
the
architecture
and
just
cue
me
when
you
want
me
to
Advance
the
slide.
R
Okay,
thanks
David
yeah,
so
architecturally
this
is
a
you
know,
a
very
rugged
building.
You
know
the
interior
environment
is
very
humid,
so
all
of
our
material
choices
really
need
to
kind
of
be
of
a
type
that's
going
to
pull
hold
up
to.
You
know
that
type
of
environment,
the
exterior
we're
looking
at
a
lower
band
of
a
stone-like
material
I.
R
Think
you
see
that
at
other
locations
down
in
Meadow
Street
such
as
the
Byrne
Dairy
project
that
was
recently
completed
the
center
section,
what's
in
kind
of
a
light,
colored
blue
here,
not
that
this
is
the
final
color
choice
that
we're
looking
at
but
just
represent
just
a
representation,
we're
doing
a
Hardy
panel,
siding
both
horizontal
and
then
in
the
gables.
Here
we're
doing
a
vertical
applied
board
and
batten
siding
the
trim
on
the
building
is
all
going
to
be
a
composite
type
material.
R
R
We
are
paying
attention
to
how
these
trim
elements
all
come
together.
We're
wrapping
another
interior
trim
board
along
the
face
to
kind
of
articulate
it
a
little
bit,
the
all
the
doors
would
be
aluminum
materials
and
the
windows
would
be
of
a
fiberglass
or
a
vinyl
type
material
just
because
of
the
the
interior
environment.
R
If
you
could
Advance
the
slide
David.
This
is
a
view
kind
of
looking
towards
Six
Mile
Creek
from
Meadow
Street.
This
is
kind
of
the
exit
portion
of
the
building
again
the
same
materials,
the
same
articulation,
I
think
as
David
mentioned,
the
previous
roof
pitch
I
think
we
had
that
down
at
a
very
low
pitch
of
we've
raised
that
height.
Just
because
we
felt
the
scale
was
better,
they
can
advance
the
slide
again.
This
is
the
rear
corner
of
the
building,
or
essentially
the
back
portion
of
the
building.
R
Straight
on
view
from
Meadow
Street,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
two
Gables
and
the
articulation
I
think
we're
still
playing
around
with
positioning
I.
Think
this
this
pronounced
column
that
we
have
on
this
facade
needs
to
kind
of
tuck
in
a
little
bit
on
both
both
Gables
but
you'll,
see
that
in
in
future
refinement
of
the
design
Advance
the
slide.
R
F
Q
Q
Q
The
street
trees
along
both
Meadow
and
South
Titus
would
be
would
have
to
be
tolerant
to
growth.
Salts
I
did
consult
with
Jean
Grace,
you
know
as
to
species,
and
we
agreed
that
on
South
Titus.
We
could
actually
go
to
a
larger
canopy
tree
because
we
have
a
continuous
Tree
Lawn,
so
we're
just
next
slide.
Q
Gene
had
mentioned,
I
believe
that
Oak
and
maple
we've
got
a
lot
of
those
in
the
city,
so
we're
looking
for
some
species
diversity
and
then
some
understory,
just
kind
of
smaller
trees
like
the
red
bud
just
along
the
perimeter
of
the
parking
next
slide,
then
just
some
pretty
heavy
duty.
Shrubs
again.
You
know
it's
a
tough
environment,
so
kind
of
your
usual
players,
some
dogwoods
aromatica
smoke
bush
and
some
junipers
for
some
Evergreens
next
slide
and
just
a
mix
of
ornamental
grasses
and
some
perennials
in
those
Island
areas.
Q
For
as
mentioned,
the
snow
storage
next
slide
and
then
just
the
some
of
the
few
site
amenities
we're
looking
at.
So
there
are
Mechanicals
that
are
associated
with
the
building,
so
we're
looking
at
an
opaque
fence
system
and
we'll
repeat
that
around
the
dumpster,
the
city
preferred
bike,
rack
and
just
the
other
vacuum
rug.
Beater
associated
with
the
car
wash.
V
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
have
some
actions
on
this
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
move
through
those.
First
up.
We
have
a
declaration
of
lead
agency,
it's
their
emotions,
clearly
an
agency
on
this
project.
If
so,
manual
move
and
Emily's.
Second
we'll
go
around
the
room
for
roll
call,
though
Garrett
can
I
start
with
you.
Oh
yes,
you
can
and
I
vote
Yes
Emily.
Yes,
Elizabeth,
yes,
CJ,
yes,
Daniel,
yes,
Mitch,
yes
and
I'm!
Also,
yes,
you
have
a
lead
Agency
on
this
project.
C
Comments
on
what
we
have
seen:
okay,
yeah,
so
I
I-
have
a
comment
to
the
architect.
So
one
I
certainly
appreciate
where
this
is
relative
to
where
it
was
last
time
right.
The
raised
a
world
pitch
looks
better
and
I
think
the
they
get
the
added
people
sort
of
break
the
just
something
you
know
the
building.
It's
a
rectangle
essentially
but
I
will
say-
and
you
know
take
this
constructively
right.
This
is
a
great
ability.
I
need
to
produce
at
this
site.
C
C
You
know
form
over
function
here,
but
I.
This
feels
a
little
bit
like
a
copy
and
paste
from
the
Lansing
location
right
and
I
think
that
works
well
for
the
location
of
all
the
hill.
But
this
is
a
different
neighborhood.
Right
and
again,
you
know
this
is
a
small
business
that
we're
you
know
very
proud
of,
and
it
it's
the
first
thing
that
you
see
entering
this
area
and
last
thing
you
see
before
going
downtown,
so
I
think
it's
really
to
your
benefit
that
the
facade
sort
of
works
visually.
B
Come
on,
thank
you
so
much
for
bumping
up
the
landscape
ratio
to
22
of
the
PRC.
That's
great
I!
You
know,
I
think
the
biggest
question
for
me.
After
reading
Megan's
memo
and
and
going
to
the
site
and
trying
to
understand
how
it
works
within
neighborhood
is,
does
the
no
right-hand
turn
sign
work?
Is
there
a
way
to
limit
traffic
from
going
and
coming
into
the
neighborhood?
G
As
I
said
up
here,
I
said,
you
know
the
appreciate
the
local
business
I
think
it's
great
for
the
corner
and
redeveloping
that
corner.
I
still
think
the
landscape
is
severely
lacking,
though,
and
I
think
the
priority
is
is
a
bit
mixed
up
here.
You've
got
some
very
rich
landscape
Islands
on
the
inside
of
the
project,
but
I
think
all
that
landscape.
G
D
Sure
I
just
don't
know
what
I'm
interested
one
thing
I
really
like
about
this
project
is
that
it
would
you
know,
ironically,
for
a
facility
designed
for
cars.
It
actually
has
one
of
the
more
active
Street
skates
I
mean
the
building
is
actually
quite
close,
so
adding
that
Landscaping
along
the
sidewalk
there
I
think
does
a
better
job
of
activating
streetscape
and
also
kind
of
covers
up
that
bypass
lane
a
little
bit.
So
if
we
have
more,
you
know
more
things.
D
D
Don't
have
an
answer
yet
is
I
like
the
colors
of
building
I
like
the
stone
of
the
bass,
but
you
know
I
was
you
have
a
a
business
and
the
business
as
a
brand
name
and
The
Branding
entails
signage,
but
the
sign
of
the
of
the
the
sign
and
logo
of
the
business?
Just
doesn't
really
mesh
well
with
the
building
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
know
what
the
solution
is
there,
but
I
don't
think
it's
an
assigned
to
be
pulled
off
a
billionaired
to
the
side
or
something
like
that.
D
F
A
A
A
A
B
Well,
just
to
play
Devil's
Advocate.
So
if
Titus
Avenue
closed
I,
don't
know
that
the
car
wash
that
it's
laid
out
would
work.
So
it
might
be
something
that
you
need
a
you
need
a
backup
like
The,
Thinking
Center,
but
I.
Don't
even
know
if
that
works.
So
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
the
answer.
But
where
do
we
go
from
here.
B
I'm,
just
yes,
it's
a
plan,
but
that
is
your
responsibility
to
consult
plans
that
were
adopted
by
Common
Council.
You
know,
and
but
yes,
this
has
not
been
studied,
but
what
has
what
it
is
about
is
safe
pedestrian,
inviting
access
on
a
place.
That's
connected
to
your
Trail,
so
you
know
I
think
it's
really
important
to
know.
B
B
You
know
to
see
what
the
anticipated
to
see
what
the
anticipated
route
of
travel
is
under
the
current
configuration-
and
you
know,
I
mean
I-
think
you're
going
to
have
to
explain
why
you
know
I
think
in
the
part
three.
It
would
be
your
responsibility
to
explain
why
it's
okay,
to
to
you
know,
approve
a
plan
that
is
very
much
against
this
recommendation.
There's
a
lot
of
recommendations
and
plans,
but
there
has
to
be
some
accommodation
for
that
recommendation.
Even
if
it's,
what
was
the
reason
for
that
Rob.
A
U
Yeah,
if
I
may
so,
first
Emily
and
there's
been
concerns
about
South
Titus,
all
along
we've
reviewed
that
study,
Rob
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you're
familiar
with
it,
but
we
basically
we
have
a.
We
have
a
study
here
that
there's
no
design
and
nothing's
really
moving
forward
with
it
at
this
time.
So
taking
into
consideration
that
that
may
occur
in
the
future,
we've
tried
to
look
at
any
alternatives
that
that
might
work
and
that
the
board
might
feel
favorable.
We've
talked
about
the
no
right
turnout.
U
We've
talked
about
possibly
a
one-way
on
Titus,
if
that
evolves,
as
far
as
our
curb
cut,
so
that
it
would
only
be
outbound
traffic,
we
talked
about
speed
bumps
and
on
and
on.
It
goes
and
we're
amenable
to
any
of
those
things
if
we
can
accomplish
our
Ingress
and
egress,
because
we
know
from
the
traffic
impact
study
that
Ingress
and
egress
on
South
Meadow
is
unrealistic.
U
The
only
concern
there
and
the
reason
why
it's
showing
grass
only
right
now
was
to
make
sure
that
we
had
adequate
snow
sort,
storage,
so
I'm
sure
that
we
can
put
a
species
in
there.
That
will
look
great
seven
months
a
year
or
eight
months
a
year
or
for,
however
long
we
can
keep
that.
And
then,
if
we
get
into
snow
conditions,
we
would
be
able
to
maintenance
the
site,
so
I
think
I
think
we
can.
We
can
certainly
beef
that
up
a
bit
and
make
that
work.
B
B
A
So
I'm
trusting
that
the
out
again
has
heard
these
concerns
about
the
entrance
and
exits
on
Titus
and
the
impacts
on
that
neighborhood
and
the
need
for
some
response
and
mitigation.
There's
a
state
of
willingness
to
engage
with
that.
As
this
moves
forward,
we're
going
to
need
additional
detail
on
what
the
strategy
is,
so
that
we
can
evaluate
that.
You
know
into
full
context
environment
what
we
do
to
which
we
are
supposed
to
review
a
Thief
Part
Two
tonight.
Do
we
have
that
am
I
just
missing
it.
D
Oh
sorry,
just
before
we
move
along
I'm,
just
not
quite
sure
procedurally
I
mean
the
street
itself
is
outside
the
project
boundary.
We
don't
make
the
decision
on
what
happens
in
the
streets
I'm
just
not
quite
sure.
If
honestly
African
like
how
do
I
resolve
this
or
who
do
I
go
is
it
is?
It
is
a
common
council?
Is
it
two
years
I
I'm,
just
not
quite
sure
what
the
process.
A
U
A
U
A
Definitely
hear
that,
and
you
know
what
I
think
is
going
to
happen
is
certainly
not
determinative,
but
I
I
do
think
that
there
has
to
be
some
engagement
from
the
applicant,
and
you
know
you
say
to
the
willingness
to
do
that.
You
mentioned
speed
bumps
and
then
and
a
couple
other
ideas,
but
you
know
speed
bumps
not
on
your
site
are
different
than
speed
bumps
on
your
site.
You
know
bike.
Lane
is
not
going
to
be
on
your
site,
it
would
be
on
the
street.
A
Whatever
the
mitigation
strategy
is,
would
probably
have
to
include
land,
it's
not
yours,
which
makes
it
of
course
harder
for
you,
and-
and
you
know
it
makes
the
path
forward
less
clear.
But
what
this
board
I
think
is
saying
is
that
because
this
South
Side
neighborhood
plan
exists
and
because
it
states
an
interest
in
turning
this
street
into
a
pedestrian
way
and
because
there
are
these
larger
connectivity
issues,
we
would
like
to
see
some
engagement
beyond
your
site
to
help
mitigate
those
impacts.
B
E
F
A
U
Okay,
I,
just
I,
guess
right
we're
looking
for
some
direction,
we're
not
quite
sure
what
the
deal,
because
we've
looked
at
it
and
the
only
thing
that
like
I
said,
was
if
South
Titus
gets
closed.
Eventually
as
long
as
it's
after
the
Ingress
and
Ingress
of
the
car
wash
that
we
have
no
objection
to
that,
a
one-way
up
to
the
entrance.
We
have
no
objection
to
that.
U
We're
certainly
going
to
post
signs
no
right
turn
out
speed,
bumps,
maybe
something
that
would
mitigate
the
separation
between
the
residential
and
the
commercial
sector,
and
we've
talked
about
all
of
these
things.
So
I'm
not
I'm,
just
not
very
clear
on
what
you're
asking
of
us
and
I
I,
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
move
forward.
I
mean
we
can
sit
around
and
have
meetings
on
it
and
we
will
and
we'll
put
time
and
energy
into
it.
U
A
I
I
understand
that
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
have
a
legal
obligation
to
take
that
I
mean
that's,
not
some
other
study
that
that
neighborhood
plan
into
account
in
our
decision,
which
means
we're
going
to
need
a
design
response
from
you
and
your
team
that
addresses
that,
and
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
need
a
design
response
that
addresses
it
further
than
anything.
We've
seen
so
far,
so
I'm
not
I'm,
not
prescribing
a
solution
for
you.
No
one
here
is
prescribing
a
solution
for
you.
W
L
W
But
but
that
is
going
to
determine
that
alternative
scenario
of
access
onto
Meadow
Street
and
if
that
site
could
ever
entertain
access
onto
the
to
Meadow
Street,
that's
gonna,
that's
gonna,
sort
of
give
the
determination
one
way
or
another
which
then
we
then
know
whatever
has
to
be
done
on
Titus.
We
know
where
our
Focus
has
to
be.
W
U
D
Just
I'm
just
confused
now
so
when
he
says
metal
access,
we're
talking
about
accessing
the
facility
through
metal
and
not
right,
but
not
directly,
but
but
through
types
from
metal
to
Titus
than
that
right.
Because
because
what
I
heard
the
applicants
say
is
that
you
could
close
off
the
other
half
of
Titus
Street
he's
fine,
but
whatever.
If
I
heard
correctly,
whatever
I'm
going
to
say
is
that
it's
not
fine,
so
I'm
just
confused.
If
you
need
to
look
at.
A
Understand
so
my
understanding
was
that
Emily
was
speaking
to
the
viability
of
a
of
a
direct
access
from
Meadow
and
that
that
will
probably
not
be
fine,
but
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
necessarily
have
that
knowledge.
Definitely
that
that
was
what
Emily
was
speaking
to
all
the
time
for
me
and
it
sounds
from
the
applicants
consultant
of
the
data's
information
that
will
be
forthcoming
and
it
will
lend
additional
High
light
to
this
conversation
and
I
think
that's
about.
A
B
Just
want
to
summarize
it
yes,
okay,
so
there's
this
concept
and
in
the
plan
of
closing
times,
but
in
addition
to
that,
there's
also
concern
about
traffic
going
through
the
neighborhood
and
also
you
know
that
this
is
a
connector
to
other
trips.
So,
even
if
you
said
okay,
you
know,
okay,
we're
gonna
we're
gonna.
You
know,
there's
no
plan
for
Titus
to
be
closed.
So
therefore,
you
know
we're
not
going
to
deal
with
that.
You're
still
dealing
with
you
know.
F
B
U
So
Lisa
I
would
hope
the
board
would
take
into
consideration
a
few
things
here.
If
Ingress
and
egress
is
not
achievable
off
of
South
Meadow,
because
it's
too
close
to
the
signalization,
then
an
approval
is
not
obtained
for
any
use
with
without
Ingress
and
egress
sulfatitis
then
effectively
it
becomes
a
taking
because.
A
U
The
other
reality
is
is
that,
with
with
the
improvements
on
the
site,
it's
going
to
look
significantly
better
than
abandoned
buildings
that
are
there
now
and
I
would
forecast
that
those
abandoned
buildings
will
be
there
for
years
to
come
with
the
flood
Prime
maps
that
are
going
to
get
filed
and
everything
else
that's
coming
down
the
road.
So
you
know
I,
look
at
this
and
go
it's
a
great
project.
U
A
The
board
is
very
aware
of
this.
There
is
a
level
of
support
for
this
project
on
this
board.
You
know,
I,
think
that
you
are
reading
more
hostility
into
this
than
exists.
We
are
trying
to
fulfill
our
legal
obligations
and
and
operate
within
the
constraints
that
we
are
under
and
that
we
have
to
live
under
and
we
will
come
back
to
this
issue.
I
am
sure
next
month
will
be
on.
F
A
B
X
This
is
okay,
so
this
is
108
110,
College
Ave,
it's
a
Redevelopment
of
the
site
currently
has
two
apartment
buildings
and
a
garage
on
the
back
being
developed
by
adbro
development
owner
is
Chris
petrillos
who's.
Here
with
us.
It's
an
apartment,
building
project
called
the
William
you've
seen
this
before
last
month
does
require
a
rear
yard
variance
and
a
small,
lock
coverage
variants,
so
we're
working
towards
that
meeting.
X
But
what
we're
going
to
do
is
shift.
The
all
we
had
in
this
sub
basement
was
a
gym
in
a
utility
room
and,
as
you
get
to
the
south
end
of
the
building.
That
level
is
above
the
rock
layer
and
then
groundwater
is.
You
know,
above
that
layer,
but
well
below
the
habitable
basement
on
this
project,
so
four-story
building
with
a
habitable
basement.
That's
all
fine
for
the
project,
so
we'll
have
solid
bearing
on
rock
for
the
foundations.
X
X
This
week
we
had
a
an
entry
walk
here
with
a
small
portion
that
spanned
over
a
courtyard
and
then
some
stairs
down
on
the
sidewalk
and
then
a
side
access
to
the
the
public
sidewalk
that
the
new
plan
actually
puts
the
sidewalk
right
on
the
property
line
and
based
on
the
grades
and
everything
we're
just
going
to
have
a
sloped
walk.
That
goes
straight
to
the
sidewalk,
so
no
side
ramp,
so
so
that'll
be
an
update
coming
on
the
next
submission.
X
What
else
can
I
tell
you
I?
Think
the
other
thing
was
PRC.
We
we've
been
playing
around
with
the
exterior
a
little
bit,
and
this
is
what
we
presented
at
that
meeting.
Some
of
the
comments
were,
the
brackets
were
a
little
overpowering.
The
trees
were
obscuring
the
building
and
little
perhaps
schizophrenic.
A
little
blend
of
traditional
and
contemporary.
X
It
felt
really
Bland,
so
I
brought
a
smaller
steel
bracket
and
the
balconies
would
be
made
out
of
steel
still
wasn't
really
happy
with
this
look,
and
this
is
all
pretty
fresh,
here's
a
view
just
down.
You
know
from
the
south
side
a
little
bit
Southeast
corner.
You
can
hear
we've
gone
with
some
Northern
Cedars.
You
know
just
a
little
bit
smaller
trees.
X
We've
actually
also
I
forgot
to
mention
that
the
the
window
wells,
the
the
courtyards
that
are
off
the
street
here
and
the
retaining
walls-
we've
pulled,
those
back
from
the
sidewalk
and
there's
now
a
nice
planting
bed
all
along
the
sidewalk
between
that
those
Hardscape
elements.
Anyway,
back
to
the
design,
I
went
a
step
further
and
I'm
I
started
to
play
around
with
the
the
color
palette
kind
of
liking.
X
This
monochrome
look
with
the
with
the
dark
blue
on
the
two
ends
and
a
gray
and
a
white
in
the
middle,
and
then
here's
that
that
view
from
from
the
south.
So
you
know
just
wonder
if
there's
any
feedback
on
on
this
progression,
I'll
just
show
you
quickly.
You
know
we
started
with
a
much
more
traditional
look
progress
to
this
look
which
is
sort
of
a
hybrid
as
it
was
called,
I,
guess
and
then,
and
now
we're
we're
kind
of
here.
X
I
think
I
think.
Maybe
that's
that's
it
for
the
presentation.
You
know.
I
can
fill
in
some
details,
cedar
fence
for
the
trash
enclosure,
closure,
retaining
walls.
Parts
concrete,
you
know,
add
a
little
little
color
to
it.
Some
freed
Maples
on
the
sides
here
by
the
way
there
are
no
trees
on
the
site
currently
and
that's
shown
on
the
the
survey.
So
everything
we're
adding
is
is
new.
X
There
were
some
trees
on
the
property
line
or
actually
on
the
neighbors
line
down
here,
but
those
were
completely
rotted
out
in
the
middle
and
they've
been
since
removed.
So
if
you
see
those
in
aerial
photos
or
whatever
they're,
those
are
gone
now,
yeah
I
think
that's
it
I,
don't
know
if
Chris,
if
you
have
anything
to
add
but
we'll
keep
it
keep
it
to
that.
No.
A
A
B
A
B
Up
for
feedback
questions
and
comments
on
what
we've
seen
tonight,
Emily
hi.
Thank
you.
If
you're
taking
this
building
in
a
more
modern
Direction,
which
it
looks
like
I,
think
it's
a
good
move
to
make
the
horizontals
the
same
color
as
the
siding.
So
it
doesn't
look
like
you
know
one
two,
three
four
similar
units
just
stacked
so
I
like
that
change,
I,
like
the
previous
version,
where
you
had
a
metal
panel
on
the
top
wrapping
down
because
it
gave
it
some
difference
of
material
and
less
mass,
less
height.
X
I
I
would
just
say
we
will
be
reaching
out
to
reuse
and
the
Cornell
group
The
Crowd
group.
You
know
people
are
obviously
welcome
to
take
whatever
they
want
out
of
the
building,
obviously
with
profession.
There's
there's
not
a
lot
of
architectural
Fabric
in
there,
but
you
know
there
there
could
be
some
salvageable
material
studs
and
such
like
that
we
don't
have
an
environmental
study
as
of
yet
but
we'll
respond
more
formally
to
that.
C
A
A
K
A
E
Q
A
With
these
type
of
you
know,
sort
of
adus
without
physical
impacts,
we
support
it
because
there's
no
physical
impact
and
because
we
generally
like
this
brand
of
density
are
this
kind
of
density.
Then
it
you
know,
adds
livability
and
the
ability
for
owners
to
stay
in
their
properties
with
minimal
impact
to
Neighbors
in
the
surrounding
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
anything,
we
want
to
add
to
that
or
any
concerns
that
we
will
have
with
this
project
or
variants
that
we
want
to
find.
A
E
A
A
Would
we
be
comfortable
saying
that
we
don't
see
any
long-term
planning
impact
will
be?
Do
we
have
a
preference
for
this
particular
unit
mix?
We
like
that
the
Roger
units
family
units-
you
can
say
that
we'd
say
that
we
like
that
there
are
larger
units
that
are
potentially
better
able
to
accommodate
families,
that
we
don't
see
a
long-term
planning
impacts
to
this
type
of
change.
Anything
else
we
would
want
to
include
in
our
comments
on.
A
G
B
B
F
A
B
A
Devil's
out
of
the
Counterpoint
I'm,
not
sure
I
totally
believe
this,
but
generally
active
use
requirements,
work
best
in
areas
of
density
and
water.
You
know
some
of
our
Waterfront
is
dense
and
we
want
to
dense,
and
so
that
is
not
and
might
not
be
and
I
think
that's
worth
thinking
about,
but
in
general
yeah
I
think.
That's
an
interesting
idea
that
requiring
activation.
V
B
I
think
I
mean
the
the
overlay
is
really
for
a
commercial
District.
You
know,
but
I
think
you
can
get
it
this
through
site
plan,
but
that's
the
struggle
with
like
what
happens.
You
know
I
mean
it's
not
feasible
for
some
places
on
the
waterfront
to
have
a
lot
of
curriculum,
I
mean
they
can
build
the
spaces,
and
maybe
they
never
even
get.
You
know
like
until
there's
enough
density,
it's
hard
for
to
acquire
routine,
really
or
but.
A
D
Let's
go
to
the
engineer:
are
they
supposed
to
go
to
comp
accounts
or
are
they
supposed
to
go
to
the
state
I
mean
and
so
I
think
for
this,
at
least
for
this
particular
discussion.
I
think
we
need
at
least
I
feel
like
I
need
counsel,
to
tell
me
what
it
means
to
consider
a
recommendation
made
a
couple
years
ago
by
by
what
I
just
don't
know
what
that
means.
D
Does
that
mean
that
we
have
to
absolutely
ensure
that
any
project
allows
for
the
recommendation
to
be
fully
implemented
as
opposed
before
the
project
or
partially
implemented,
or
or
can
we
just
ignore
it,
since
the
recommendation
hasn't
been
put
into
action?
Can
we
just
dismiss
it?
I
feel
like
I
need
a
lot
of
time.
B
B
I
mean
I,
can't
I,
don't
think
you
can
say:
okay,
there's
this
recommendation.
Okay,
there's
no
plan,
but
this
Zone
King
comes
forward
and
okay,
we're
just
gonna
forget
the
plan,
like
you
know,
like
I,
think
you
have
to
look
at
the
you
know.
You
have
to
have
documentation
from
dot
that
they
can't
know,
but
they
can't
have
a
you
know.
B
Comments
and
then
City
engineering
comments.
You
know
because
we're
talking
about
you
know,
City
owned
right
away
and
we're
going
to
say
no
one
right
away
and
we're
talking
about
the
kind
of
Confluence
of
those
circumstances.
My
understanding
is
the
traffic
and
back
study
would
provide
some
kind
of
either
share
or
whatever
cost
of
improvements
that
the
applicant
would
have
to
do
as
part
of
the
mitigation.
E
B
K
K
B
E
C
Other
new
business,
I
I
think
one
thing
and
I
know
that
we're
running
over.
You
know
it's
great
to
me
because
of
the
first
time
right.
This
is
one
a
lot
more
productive
than
doing
it
observe
that's
for
sure,
and
you
know
it's
great.
You
know
it's
great
working
with
everyone.
I
I
will
say
I
guess
that
said
undeniably
right.