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A
A
Welcome
to
the
October
14th
meeting
of
the
city
of
ithaca's,
Planning
and
Development
board
project
review
committee
meeting
and
first
before
us
we
have
the
Lux
at
236,
Brighton,
Road
and
I.
Believe
the
applicant
is
here.
B
C
Oh
hi
Lisa,
let's
see
we
are
looking
at.
Oh,
my
first
name
is
Aaron.
Last
name
is
Baker
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
Lux
wall,
signage.
B
C
Let's
see
I'm
actually
doing
it
from
my
phone,
so
yeah
can
is
my
video,
so
I
don't
see
my
character
either.
Does
that
mean
my
camera's
not
working.
A
We
don't
see
you
okay,
it
would
be
a
camera
issue
or
something
else.
Oh.
D
B
E
B
A
C
What
we
did
and
I'm
pulling
it
up
on
my
end,
is
we
left
two
options
as
locations
for
these
letters,
so
the
letters
it's
two
different
letter
sets
both
just
say
Lux,
and
we
left
the
option
for
your
team
to
almost
select
the
one
that
you
thought
best
representing
the
community,
the
neighborhood
the
the
street.
So
this
page
here
that
you're
looking
at
shows
the
letter
set
being
mounted
to
the
balcony
and
then
on
the
next
page.
You
would
see
it
as
an
option
mounted
to
the
brick
wall.
A
Okay,
let's
get
feedback
real
fast
and
you
know
see
where
we
stand.
Emily
could
I
start
with
you.
F
Sure,
good
morning,
I
like
it
of
the
two
options:
I
like
it
on
the
brick
wall,
the
address
on
the
other
side.
That
seems
to
make
some
sense
to
have
them
both
wall
mounted.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
variance
for
the
size,
or
are
you
good
to
go
on
size
of
the
signage.
C
Last
I
knew
we
were
totally
good
to
go
for
the
the
size.
It's
quite
modest.
A
Yeah
I
I'd
also
prefer
the
second
one
I
have
some
slight
concern
as
to
the
brightness
of
these
lights
and
how
that's
going
to
look
in
real
life.
This
is
a
residential
building
and
there's
a
I'll
say.
A
A
C
Yeah
I'm
totally
ready
I
did
so.
G
Thanks
Rob,
so
we
were
going
to
possibly
you
know
approve
this
as
part
of
the
site
plan
approval
here,
but
if
we
want
to
send
it
to
the
full
board,
that's
completely
fine,
because
you
mentioned
that
Rob
I
would
also
be
interested
in
the
lighting
as
well,
but
Rob
mentioned
because
I'm
not
sure
it
needs
to
be
and
could
occur
with
the
brick
I
think
that
looks
nice.
So
that
is
completely
up
to
you.
Rob
I.
B
Agree
with
that
on
I
agree
that
it
should
be
on
the
building
and
not
on
the
balcony,
and
it
is
a
it
is
even
though
it's
a
mixed-use
neighborhood,
it
is
cr4
and
it's
a
I,
don't
see
a
reason
for
an
illuminated
sign
advertising
a
residents
in
that
particular
Zone.
That's
very
unusual
for
that
yeah,
but
I
mean
the
letter.
You
know
it's.
The
letters
are
fine.
What
metal
letters
really
nice
I
mean
for
the
kind
of
Illumination,
it's
really
nice,
it's
just
that
it
is
in
a
residential
zone,
so
I
mean
to.
A
You
yeah
I,
don't
necessarily
have
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
it's
illuminated
I
have
concerns
about
how
bright
that
illumination
is.
You
know,
I
think
a
little
bit
of
Illumination
could
look
super
cool
like
I.
Don't
I,
don't
really
have
a
problem
with
that,
but
you
know
there
is
an
issue
of
how
bright
is
too
bright
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
have
the
information
at
my
fingertips
on
how
to
govern
that
effectively.
C
A
C
Okay,
cool
cool
and
then
what
we
do
to
control.
In
addition
to
like
a
different,
what
we
do
to
control
the
is
the
standoff
depth.
So
we've
got
these
set
at
only
a
half
inch
and
that
allows
us
a
like
super
controlled
flood
to
the
wall
itself
that
very
top
image
where
the
r
that
was
the
attempt
there
is
to
show
you
that
the
flood
doesn't
come
out
from
behind
the
letter.
Very
much
at
a
half
inch
standoff.
A
So
because
of
the
lighting
I'm
reluctant
to
approve
this
in
PRC
I
hate
to
add
it
to
the
agenda
for
the
full
meeting,
but
I
think
because
it's
a
lit
sign
in
a
residential,
neighborhood
everybody's
got
to
say.
Okay
and
I
think
that
Aaron,
some
sort
of
a
communication
in
terms
of
lumens
or
whatever
that
you
know
could
could
back
up
the
brightness
sort
of
thesis
would
be
real
helpful.
A
B
The
only
other
thing
I
would
say,
and
since
all
these
properties
are
now
being
branded,
you
know
and
have
names.
I
would
say
that
this
doesn't
look
like
a
cohesive
package
of
information.
There's
a
building
the
numbers
on
one
side
that
are
completely
different
font,
completely
different
feeling
and
then
there's
the
sign.
B
On
the
other
side,
it
really
looks
just
like
an
add-on
and
it
wasn't
thought
of
as
a
complete
design
and
so
I
Aaron
if
to
the
extent
that
you're
involved
with
the
development
of
these
designs
and
other
projects
that
include
branding
of
residential
buildings,
that
really
should
all
be
consistent
and
look
like
one
thing.
This
does
not
look
like
one
thing:
I,
don't
know
if
that's
important
to
the
board,
but
for.
A
J
Just
me
today,
excellent
we'll
take
it
away,
Brian
Bouchard
with
cha,
so,
regarding
the
ithacan
signage
at
the
last
meeting,
we
discussed
the
need
for
signage
for
the
ithacin
Residential
Building,
based
on
obviously
this
being
in
the
CBD
district.
It's
a
little
unique
in
the
building
size
itself,
with
respect
to
residential,
like
the
one
that
you
just
saw
obviously
is
a
lot
smaller.
This
is
more
downtown
Urban
feel
so
we
do
have
a
request
for
variance
before
both
this
board
for
planning
board
approval
and
also
for
the
bza.
J
The
general
comments
to
summarize
were
that
the
larger
logos
at
the
top
of
the
building
were
not
necessary
and
should
be
removed,
but
that
the
channel
letters
and
Logo
at
the
bottom
of
the
buildings,
both
on
the
Green
Street
side
and
then
obviously
at
our
access
to
the
commons
on
the
Rothschild
building
side,
were
acceptable
in
a
way
that
potentially
the
logo
could
be
reduced.
J
So
I
do
have
some
updated
images
to
share
to
give
you
a
feel
of
what's
been
done
to
modify
based
on
that
request
of
the
board
and
the
only
thing
I'm
waiting
for
to
get
back
to
the
planning
board
meeting
would
be
the
final
cut
sheets
of
these
signs,
but
the
graphics
have
been
updated.
So
again,
if
you
can
see
my
screen
share,
I
believe
the
large
logos
at
the
top
were
removed
and
the
other
comment
was
illumination.
So
these
are
Channel
letters
that
are
internally
illuminated.
J
This
is
just
a
logo
graphic,
that's
not
illuminated.
So
the
statement
was
that
they
don't
need
to
be
illuminated.
I,
guess,
I,
don't
know,
maybe
good
timing
with
the
last
applicant
that
you
just
saw
you
know
they're
in
a
residential,
neighborhood
and
sort
of
have
that
proposal
that
you
kind
of
wanted
to
see
before
the
full
board.
J
So
I
guess
you
know
we're
prepared
to
have
them
not
illuminated,
but
I
think
out
of
fairness,
if
there's
some
level
of
Illumination,
whether
it
is
making
this
similar,
whether
it's
a
Halo
in
the
back,
if
that's
more
appeasing
or
you
know,
even
just
based
on
some
of
the
other
signs
in
the
area
that
I
know,
are
internally
illuminated
because
we're
more
in
the
commercial
District.
If
that's
an
option,
we
would
like
to
entertain
that
too.
J
So
again,
you
can
see
that
this
has
the
same
logo
and
and
lettering
that
we
had
on
the
State
Street
side.
H
J
Is
Green
Street
Frontage
we
did
play
around
with
talking
about
maybe
a
larger
blade
sign
or
something
similar
to
city
center,
but
we
didn't
go
that
route.
This
is
a
one-way
street,
so
we
wanted
to
keep
the
signage
focused
on
the
main
entrance
of
the
lobby,
which
is
in
the
center
of
the
building.
Here
the
logo
was
reduced
in
size
from
what
you
had
seen
last
time
and
then
I'll
also
bring
up
the
other
Graphics
that
we
have
for
the
Rothschild
side
of
the
building.
J
So
this
is
the
commons
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
other
existing
signage,
that's
on
the
building
and
we'd
be
proposing
to
put
the
ithacin
with
its
logo
next
to
it.
So
I
believe
the
only
thing
I
owe
is
a
complete
package
that
would
have
the
specs
and
sizes
and
then
just
a
determination
or
discussion,
perhaps
right
now
regarding
the
ability
to
have
some
type
of
nominal
illumination.
If
it's,
if
it's
possible.
A
J
A
Fair
enough
I'll,
say:
I
see
this
as
a
huge
step
forward,
I'm
way
more
comfortable
with
this
than
what
I
saw
last
time.
I
will
also
defer
to
Emily
here,
who
has
you
know
more
of
a
design
judgment
on
these
things
and
I?
Do
the.
A
F
Yeah
I
agree
with
you,
Rob
I
think
this
is
a
a
better
presentation
as
far
as
a
whole
package
and
thank
you
for
hearing
us
and
and
removing
the
upper
signs.
I
guess
in
terms
of
Illumination
I
was
thinking
about
this
last
time.
The
Green
Street
side
does
not
really
face
a
residential
area.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm
looking
at
the
the
streets.
L
F
J
F
It
feels
like
part
of
activating
the
streetscape
to
me
is
the
the
lighting
scheme
on
Green
Street
in
terms
of
the
size
of
the
sign
and
the
look
of
them
I.
Think
it's
fine,
I
guess
I
would
advocate
for
no
lights
on
the
common
side
or
not
not
lit,
because
it
does
face
apartments
that
are
above
the
restaurants.
On
that
side,
understood.
J
And
then
yeah
no
problem
and
then
just
to
respond
to
Rob
I
mean
obviously
we
had
a
substantial
right.
It
was
100
square
feet
or
something
logo
on
the
Green
Street
side,
and
when
we
look
to
revise
this,
it
was
you
know
just
to
carry
that
the
image
at
some
point.
So
that's
why
they
did
want
to
include
the
logo
on
this
side.
So.
A
No
I
get
it.
You
spent
the
money
and
they've
got
attached
to
design
and
you
want
to
keep
it
but
I
I
swear
to
God.
You
look
at
this.
Without
it
it's
going
to
look
a
lot
better,
not
that
that's
gonna,
you
know
Drive
anything
I'll,
say
I'm
more
comfortable
with
the
illumination
on
both
sides
and
I.
Think
Emily
is
to
me.
Yes,
there's
residences
on
Commons
with
the
commons.
A
J
So
and
that's
a
good
point,
this
this
channel
letter
is
actually
attached
above
the
canopy,
so
it
is
off
the
wall,
so
this
you
know
would
be
maybe
the
internally
illuminated
Channel
letters,
but
the
sign.
That's
on
the
common
side
would
be
wall
attached
and
would
probably
have
a
better
opportunity
for
the
Halo
style
lighting,
and
then
we
can
include
a
provision
that
it
gets
shut
off
after
you
know
nine
or
ten
PM
or
whatever.
It
might
be
that
the
board's
comfortable
with.
A
Yeah
I
I
think
that's
really
interesting.
I
think
that
could
get
a
warm
reception.
J
Okay,
what
we'll
do
is
put
those
options
into
the
package
so
that
we
can
discuss
it
with
the
board
formally
and
then
maybe
have
some
more
feedback,
get
the
board
meeting
and
make
a
determination
on
what
we
want
to
send
forward
to
the
BCA.
G
Thanks
Rob
one
thing
you
might
play
with
because
I
do
agree
with
Rob
I
think
that
I
the
logo
just
looks
a
little
odd
here,
because
it's
on
a
window.
You
know
it's
just
looks
a
little
off
I,
don't
know
if
it
would
look
okay
above
it
above
the
letters,
if
you're
really
wanting
that
logo
on
that
side,
something
to
think
about.
Okay,.
J
Yeah,
it's
not
truly
on
the
window,
because
the
windows
set
back
the
canopy
projects
a
little
bit
but
understood
your
comment
and
I'll
work
with
the
applicant
to
figure
out.
If
maybe
it
does
get
placed
behind
the
channel
letters-
or
maybe
you
know
somewhere
else
adjacent
to
it.
That
makes
a
little
more
sense,
so
I
can
bring
that
back
to
them
as
well.
B
I
know
everybody
I
don't
want
to
pile
on
and
I
know
everybody
said
it,
but
I
don't
think
the
logo
adds
anything
I
think
it
detracts.
It's
a
great
clean,
signed
package
with
the
lighting
right
now
very
sophisticated
and
I
feel
like
that.
Logo
is
just
sort
of
an
add-on.
I
don't
feel
like
it
does
anything
but
I'm
sure
they
don't
want
to
hear
that
I
I
just
agree
with
it.
A
B
A
M
I
guess
the
update
is
revised.
Submission
has
been
made.
You
know,
a
little
extra
information
in
the
narrative
was
added,
specifically
the
Transportation
demand
management
plan.
So
hopefully
you
can
take
a
look
at
that.
There's
a
Geotech
was
completed.
We
do
now
have
the
full
report,
so
that
was
included
get
through
that
and
I
gave
an
update
at
the
last
planning
board
meeting
about
where
rock
is
and
it's
it's
all
manageable
and
provides
a
good
foundation.
M
Any
substantial
need
for
rock
removal.
I
did
revise
the
the
basement
to
shift
everything
to
the
the
South
End,
based
on
where
we
saw
the
rock
demo
plan
hasn't
changed.
You
know
it's
a
Redevelopment
of
the
whole
site,
but
largely
the
topography
and
everything
is
remains
consistent
with
the
way
the
design,
Works
site
plan
really
hasn't
changed
much.
M
We
did
bring
in
the
College
Ave
reconstruction
design
and
and
developed
everything
and
tied
everything
into
that.
So
all
the
creates
and
everything
are,
are
working
with
that
grading
and
utility
plan
are
combined
because
the
lot
isn't
very
significant.
It's
more
of
a
spot
grade
plan,
so
you
guys
can
take
a
look
at
that
utilities
are,
should
be
adequate
for
the
projects.
M
That's
more
technical,
stuff
landscape
plan
is
now
submitted
largely
the
same.
There
was
the
tree
change
to
Cedars
instead
of
a
a
larger,
although
it
was
a
columnar
shade
tree
on
the
front,
but
based
on
some
early
feedback,
it's
a
little
smaller
tree
as
you've
seen
in
the
renderings.
So
the
whole
idea
is
the
whole.
The
front
of
the
building
here
is
All
Landscape
beds
and
and
planted
using
a
paver
system
for
this
loading
area.
M
Yeah
site
section
is
basically
the
same
and
then
some
details
on
tree
planting
tree
species,
landscape
species
and
site
lighting
I
do
have
the
design
review
application
just
about
ready
to
go
so
I'll
get
that
in
early
next
week,
most
likely
I'm
just
looking
at
some
more
of
the
secondary
guidelines
at
this
point,
but
as
I've
gone
through,
this
I
feel
like
it's
all
all
been
met.
A
couple
things
not
applicable
so
that'll
be
coming
soon
and
I
think.
Maybe
that's
it.
For
now.
A
All
right,
thank
you
much.
Let's
get
feedback
on
what
we've
seen
Emily.
F
Last
time,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
significant
upgrade
to
the
streetscape,
because
right
now
it's
bare
and
gross
so
I
think
this
is
great
and
I
guess
I,
don't
have
much
more
to
add
right
now,
I
mean
I,
think
it.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
A
B
I,
have
a
few
comments.
I
don't
know:
do
you
want
to
go?
First,
Nikki,
no,
go
ahead.
All
right,
so
I
I
totally
agree
about
the
streetscape,
but
also
what
I
am
seeing
up
there.
Now
is
not
a
good
time
to
judge.
But
what
I
have
seen
in
the
past
is
that
these
planting
beds
in
these
student
Apartments,
maybe
other
parts
too,
but
student
apartments
on
College
Ave.
B
They
don't
work
like
people
walk
across
them
and
there
has
to
be
some
really
substantial
planting
and
some
way
to
protect
them
because
they
could
look
great.
But
often
you
go
back.
You
go
back
like
a
year
later
and
everything's
walked
all
over
and
trampled
all
over.
So
I,
don't
know
how
to
fix
that.
Maybe
it's
a
maintenance
thing,
I,
don't
know,
and
then
could
you
go
to
the
section
yeah.
So
there
is
a
retaining
wall
that
you're
proposing.
B
So
we
really
have
to
see
a
detail
of
that.
There
have
been
several
retaining
walls
and
projects
like
this
built,
particularly
on
College
ad.
That
I
will
say,
have
not
been
what
we
expected
and
have
not
been
successful,
and
they
don't
look
good
and
they're
not
holding
up.
So
that
has
to
be
the
board
has
to
see
a
detail
of
that
and
it
has
to
be
built
as
it
is
proposed.
That's
fine.
G
Thanks
yeah
similar
comments
to
Lisa,
also
thanks
Jason
for
doing
the
design
review.
App
I
was
wondering
if
that
was
coming.
So
that's
perfect
for
the
planning
board
meeting
and
I
just
my
question.
I
guess:
I
didn't
know
what
the
brown
was
on
the
planting
plan,
so
those
are
planting
beds
along
the
street
yeah.
M
It'd
be
it'd,
be
mulch,
maybe
there's
yeah
I
I'm,
trying
to
avoid
grass
in
there
just
for
maintenance,
yeah.
G
Sure
so
I
have
a
comment.
I
would
just
Echo
Lisa's
comments.
I
would
definitely
plant
them
robustly.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
mulch.
You
know
the
U.S
loves.
We
love
mulch
plantings,
it's
not
really
planting,
so
you
could.
You
could
there's
actually
low
maintenance
plants
that
you
could
use
there.
That
would
be
great
and
then
again
thinking
about
that.
Edging
and
people
walk
you
through
it,
because
you
know
people
will.
M
What
I
yeah,
what
I
have
is
the
bear
Berry
ground
cover,
so
the
whole
idea
is-
and
maybe
we
could
add
some
around
some
of
the
trees
but
filling
in
here
this
bed.
You
can
see
that
you
know
that
that
bear
very
ground,
copper
or
maybe
some
other
Ground
Covers
could
fill
in
those
areas.
So
that's,
ultimately
what
I
like
to
see,
but
the
whole
front
here
is
actually
a
Hedgerow,
so
they're
not
gonna.
M
M
Someone
walking
over
and
maybe
trying
to
talk
to
a
friend
down
in
the
lower
apartment
area
there,
but
you
know,
there's
a
guard
rail
in
its
screen.
So.
M
Sense
to
pull
that
hedge
right
across
that,
but
I
think
that's
the
only
one
and
then
there's
a
hydrangea
which
doesn't
show
up
in
this
rendering
for
some
reason.
But
that's
on
the
that's
up
in
an
elevated
bed
right
here.
H
F
So
I
just
want
to
maybe
ask
for
a
few
more
visual
representations
of
those
window.
Wells
I
think
you
had
a
rendering
kind
of
perspective,
rendering
that
showed
looking
down
into
it
and
that
was
really
helpful,
yeah
just
kind
of
yeah
to
see
this
size
and
and
how
that
will
work,
so
yeah
I
think
that's
going
to
come
up.
Certainly
in
the
big
meeting.
F
Small
I
think
they'll
be
dark.
There's
a
lot
of
I
mean
there's
a
balcony
with
railing
around
it,
and
then
the
window
well
was
railing
around
it.
I'm
not
sure
how
that's
gonna
perform
really
and
and
be
a
nice
space
for
the
basement.
Apartments.
F
D
B
I
just
want
to
say
like
as
you're
doing
the
design
review.
In
addition
to
you
know
the
comments
about
from
Emily
and
Rob
that
you
know
the
those
window,
those
window
wells
are
part
of
the
exterior
of
the
building.
So
we
need
to
see
the
materials
and
colors
yeah.
M
D
N
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning
very
quickly.
What
materials
we
do
have
from
us
that
we
officially
submitted
was
the
revised
planting
plan
and,
what's
outlined
in
red
here,
has
been
prepared
by
Margot
in
response
to
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
at
the
planning
board
meeting,
looking
for
a
Vermont,
a
more
robust
planting
plan
and
variety
of
materials
at
the
point
of
our
triangle.
N
So
that's
what
we've
provided
would
certainly
appreciate
any
comments
on
on
what
has
been
added
for
this,
and
certainly
we
needed
to
come
back
initially
with
with
PRC
and
ultimately
with
the
board
to
address
the
access
issue,
and
so.
M
N
You
this
morning,
our
thoughts
on
that.
Why
is
it
that
we
are
pursuing
South
Titus
Avenue
access
instead
of
South
Meadow
and
to
show
some
compatibility,
if
you
will,
between
the
access
that
we
are
requesting
and
the
balance
of
what
might
be
a
vision
at
some
point
in
the
future
for
a
different
South,
South
Titus
Avenue?
So
if
we
can
take
a
few
minutes,
Rob
we'd
appreciate
sharing
that
speech
of
information
with
you
we've.
N
We
did
have
an
opportunity
earlier
this
week
to
present
some
some
similar
thinking
with
the
planning
division
staff
great.
N
So
our
our
reason
for
South
Titus
Avenue
these.
This
image
here
reflects
the
weekday
PM
peak
hour
and
also
the
Saturday
peak
hour,
when
there
is
an
expectation
that
most
of
the
the
patrons
to
the
car
wash
need
to
come
to
the
site
and
these
red
bars
during
these
time
frames
represent
the
the
stacking
that
backs
up
along
the
frontage
of
the
property
because
of
the
signal
at
South,
Titus
and
South
Meadow.
N
So
this
is
driving
Our
concern
that
this
particular
site
in
its
unique
location
is,
is
going
to
be
difficult
to
get
into
and
out
of
during
those
times
when
we
expect
most
of
the
patrons
to
be
visiting
the
project.
N
So
looking
at
coordination
with
with
other
initiatives,
specifically
the
greater
Southside
neighborhood
plan
and
also
some
other
planning
that
has
been
done
relative
to
the
bike
network,
we
we
took
these
into
consideration
and
have
taken
a
look
at
what
might
be
a
future
relationship
between
our
access
on
South
Titus
and
the
balance
of
a
possible
closure.
Now
this
this
is
in
no
way
a
plan
that
that
had
any.
N
You
know
preconceived
notions
about
what
this
street
closure
might
look
like,
but
it's
conceptual
only,
but
it's
intended
to
only
show
how
there
could
be
some
compatibility
with
an
access
for
the
car
wash
and
the
balance
of
planning
for
green
space
or
open
space
on
a
South
Titus
Ave
road
closure.
N
What
I
would
point
out
is
that
between
the
the
curb
cut
for
Car
Wash
and
some
turnaround
that
may
be
required
down
at
Fair
Street,
there's
the
better
part
of
500
feet
of
of
contiguous
open
space
here
and
in
order
to
provide
a
transition
from
that
open
space
to
South
Meadow
I,
just
emailed
it
to
you.
We
see
that
there
may
be
an
opportunity
to
modify
the
pavement
width
on
South
Titus
in
a
way
that
we
could
insert
a
more
robust
multi-use
Trail
along
Fall
Creek.
N
So
this
is
a
picture
looking
down
south
Titus
from
South
Meadow
Street,
and
if
we
could
move
the
curb
on
the
North
side
gain,
maybe
four
to
six
feet
of
additional
space.
We'd
have
the
ability
to
put
in
a
nice
wide
multi-use,
Trail
connector.
N
I
have
some
additional
data
here,
that
is
very
techy
and
it
speaks
to
possible
trip
generation
impacts
if
in
as
long
as
South,
Titus
and
Fair
Street
are
kept
open.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
go
into
that
at
this
point,
but
we
could
certainly
come
back
to
planning
Division
and
the
planning
board
with
more
details
on
that.
So
I
think
I
would
like
to
stop.
There
ask
if
either
Gary,
Margot
or
John
have
any
other
input
at
this
point
and
then
back
to
the
committee.
O
O
So
Rob
I
know
you
were
on
the
committee
for
this
study.
We
we
took
a
good
look
at
it,
there's
no
definitive
plan.
If
you
will
so
we
just
kind
of
try
to
interpret
the
direction
that
that
committee
was
was
working
towards.
O
O
The
best
case
scenario,
we
thought
well
that
cul-de-sac
could
end
at
the
end
of
the
two
houses
and
that
could
also
be
shortened
too
yeah.
But
then
you
would
have
a
transition
that
occurs
between
the
residential
and
what
we
think
beside
the
study
was
aiming
for
and
then
David.
If
you
could
go
up
to
the
car
wash
side.
O
We've
got
the
same
thing
with
a
transition
that
occurs
between
our
proposed
site
and
South
Meadow
and
then
in
in
the
center
there.
That
would
all
be
closed
off
and
it's
a
significant
amount
of
room
like
David
said
at
this
point.
Without
the
cul-de-sac
Reaching
Forward
on
on
Fair
Street,
there's
500
and
something
feet
there
so
putting
that
into
scale
a
football
field
is
300
feet.
O
A
P
A
B
I
do
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
hear
just
briefly.
I
know
that
drawing
is
a
little
intimidating.
The
traffic
trip
generation,
but
just
I
mean
we
have
to
run
this
by
the
you
know,
Transportation
on
our
side,
but
just
for
the
them
to
understand
what
your,
what
the
travel
path,
You're
Expecting
is
I.
Think
that's
an
important
part
of
this
conversation.
All.
N
Right,
yeah
I
I
certainly
am
prepared
to
do
that.
I
didn't
want
to
take
up
an
awful
lot
more
time,
so
existing
conditions
that
obviously
the
streets
being
used.
N
There's
people
back
and
forth
to
the
South
Meadow
Street
intersection,
looking
specifically
at
how
we
envision
patrons
to
show
up
looking
at
80
percent
of
them
using
the
South
meta,
South,
Meadow,
South,
Titus,
signalized
intersection
to
come
to
the
property
there.
There
is
an
expectation
that
20
might
come
through
Fair
Street,
you
know
from
South,
but
this
was
how
the
projections
of
arrivals
and
departures
were
were
considered.
N
The
Peak
volumes
looking
at
about
60
vehicles
in
the
peak
hour
coming
and
leaving
the
site
and
looking
at
the
majority
of
those
leaving
to
the
signalized
intersection
and
in
this
distribution,
we're
looking
at
nine
out
of
the
60
that
could
return
back
through
what
we're
calling
the
residential
streets
so
we're
looking
at
a
in,
in
our
opinion,
a
very
minimal
distribution
impact
through
the
residential
streets,
either
for
arrivals
or
departures.
N
Now,
if
South
Titus
is
fully
closed,
then
all
of
the
patrons
would
be
coming
from
the
south,
Meadow
Street
signal
and
what
we
we
expect
to
provide
an
addendum
to
the
traffic
impact
study.
That
would
show
what
may
or
may
not
be
any
impacts
to
the
balance
of
the
South
Meadow
Street
corridor
from
those
additional
vehicles
that
would
be
arriving
and
departing
solely
from
South
Meadow.
A
A
Everybody
else
thinks
any:
let's,
let's
jump
into
feedback,
let's
jump
into
comments
on
what
we've
heard.
Emily
could
I
start
with
you.
F
I
know
it's
not
your
job
to
design
that
Fall
Creek
closed
off,
Street
Path,
but
I
think
thank
you
for
doing
it
and
I
think
it
really
goes
a
long
way
just
to
understand
how
your
site
could
be
compatible
with
a
future
closing
and
from
my
piece
I
think
it
is
seeing
South
Titus
narrowed
just
a
little
bit
with
that.
You
know:
sidewalk,
slash
Trail
for
the
first
200
feet
and
then
whatever
comes
next
closed
off,
Street
I
think
could
be
great
and
I
really
think.
There's
no
way.
F
I
know
we've
gone
over
this,
but
I
totally
support
your
site
being
entered
from
Titus
Street
and
there's
no
way
it
can
be
done
for
Meadow
from
the
data
from
from
anecdotally
sitting
at
that
already
backed
up
light.
F
So
so
I
do
think
the
two
things
can
can
be
compatible
and
I'll
also
just
say
that
it
occurred
to
me
that
the
peak
Car
Wash
days
are
in
the
winter,
when
folks
are
not
going
to
be
using
the
trail
as
heavily,
and
so
that
also
lends
itself
to
be
a
nice
sort
of
compatible
usage
when
the
trail
in
the
summer
is
going
to
be
really
busy
and
in
the
future
the
street
is
closed
off.
The
car
wash
is
going
to
be
more
quiet.
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but.
F
A
Yeah
I'll,
say
I
agree
with
Emily
I
feel
like
that
this
gets
us
a
lot
closer
to
being
able
to
move
forward
than
we
were.
You
know
again
really
appreciate
the
work
you
know,
and
we
had
a
conversation
after
your
portion
of
the
meeting
last
time,
where
we
as
a
board
sort
of
tried
to
figure
out
what
our
responsibilities
were
to
this
South
Side
plan,
which
we
have
to
consider
and
which
is
not.
A
You
know,
as
you
pointed
out,
a
fully
fledged
prescriptive
plan
to
you
know,
determine
this
this
area
and
so
having
you
know,
a
document
that
illustrates
one
way
this
could
be
compatible.
I
find
very
helpful,
but
then
that
does
leave
the
impacts
that
exist
to.
A
A
Want
to
be
a
Commercial
Street,
it
doesn't
really
want
this
commercial
traffic
and,
of
course,
your
traffic
study
does
make
the
argument
that
the
vast
majority
of
your
traffic
isn't
going
to
go
very
far
on
the
street,
which
is
hopeful
and
I.
Think
the
remaining
piece
which
you
spoke
to
a
little
bit
last
meeting.
A
We
didn't
talk
about
today,
but
that
could
have
just
been
because
that's
not
the
part
you
worked
on
most
recently
is
how
you're
going
to
mitigate
that
incremental
traffic
on
that
residential
street
and
you've
talked
about
things
like
signage
and
I.
Think
somebody
mentioned
something
like
speed,
bumps
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure
what
the
whole
Suite
of
teal
Tools
looks
like
there,
but
I'll
say
you
seem
willing
to
engage
on
it,
and
so,
assuming
that
there
can
be,
you
know
some
rational
argument
for
mitigation
there.
That
is
executable.
A
You
can
bring
this
home
do
want
to
check
in
with
staff,
because
they're
going
to
know
more
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
how
that
all
could
potentially
work
and
would
be
able
to
give
you
a
little
better
guides.
I
could
sort
of
how
to
be
ready
for
these
next
couple
meetings.
Just
so
things
move
forward,
but
I'll
say
that
I'm
I'm
very
happy
with
what
I'm
looking
at
today,
but
Lisa
or
Nikki
foreign.
B
One
question
I
think
the
board
should
look
at
also
I
think
we
have
to
set
it
through
our
traffic
engineer
and
I.
Don't
it
was
probably
covered
in
the
traffic
study.
I.
Is
that
what
about
that
intersection's
capacity
to
handle
like
how
many
people
will
be
coming
from
the
north
and
trying
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
onto
South
Titus
from
Meadow?
And
is
there?
Is
that
even
possible,
because
I
assume
that
of
that
80
that
you
think
will
enter
Titus
from
South
Meadow
at
that
very
congested
intersection?
B
Some
of
them
are
going
to
become
traveling
from
the
north
to
the
South
right,
like
I,
don't
know
what
percentage
but
I
think
we
have
to
look
at
those
same
doll,
timing
and
everything
there
or
it
maybe
doesn't
have
any
impact.
I
don't
know,
but
we
have.
We
have
to
press
that.
O
And
then
Rob,
just
if
I
can
make
one
last
comment
here.
One
of
the
things
that
we
do
at
our
site
on
South
Meadow
is:
we
have
a
sign
out
there
when
it's
busier,
it's
a
removable
sign
that
instructs
people
to
make
a
right
turn
out
only
and
we
know
that
people
respond
to
that
and
that
they
cooperate
and
that
works
as
long
as
we're
instructing
them.
So
on
any
peak
days,
we
put
that
sign
out
to
avoid
people
from
trying
to
make
a
left-hand
turn
and
going
across
South
Meadow.
O
So
the
sign,
a
signage
assign,
instructing
people
to
make
the
left
back
out
to
Meadow
certainly
will
have
some
amount
of
positive
impact.
A
I
appreciate
that
and
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
you
know
I
think
will
be
part
of
whatever
the
final
plan
for
mitigation
ends.
Up
being
I
mean
that
that,
to
me
is
very
logical,
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
that.
G
Completely
agree
with
Rob
I
think
that
is
the
next
thing
to
to
address
is
how
to
mitigate
that
mitigate
that
traffic
in
the
meantime,
because
I
think
you
know
that
was
great
to
show
us.
That
scenario
looks
like
it
does.
It
can
work
to
have
part
of
that
South,
Titus
close,
but
then
I
know
as
part
of
the
community
plan.
There
was
some
concern
about
cars
coming
through
and
it
also
it's
it's
just
interesting,
that's
80
and
20.
That's
you
know
and
how
you
came
up
with
that.
G
I,
don't
know
the
numbers,
but
it'd
be
nice
to
know
that
and
then
also,
as
Lisa
said,
mitigating
that
traffic
signal.
Just
what
are
you
gonna
do
in
the
interim
with
traffic
going
through
the
neighborhood,
because
it
was
a
concern.
A
So
I'll
say
again:
I
appreciate
what
you
brought
today,
I
think
you've
gotten,
hopefully
useful
feedback
from
border
staff
here.
Hopefully
next
steps
are
clear
on
your
end,
if
not
I'll
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
staff
in
the
interim,
you
know
for
any
guidance
that
for
help
you
might
need
with
that
anything
else.
Today
are
we
we
ready
to
move
on
yeah.
G
I
was
just
gonna
say
if
you
could,
please
send
that
with
those
materials
please
David
I
have
the
the
fee
is
drafted
ready
to
go
to
so
we'll
send
that
to
you
great.
H
Bradley
Wells,
with
bism
for
the
citizen,
I
have
Laura
mantos
and
Steve
Hugo
who's
going
to
be
taking
the
presentation
for
us.
L
Hi
everybody.
Let
me
share
my
screen.
L
Okay,
everyone's
seeing
my
screen,
we
do.
Okay,
we
we
don't
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
updates
for
you.
We
I
think
we
saw
from
the
agenda
that
you
were
interested
in
looking
at
materials
and
open
space.
So
I
think
we
looked
at
the
elevations
a
number
of
times.
L
L
So
the
only
thing
I
will
mention
to
you
is:
that
is
something
that
we're
we're
currently
looking
at
and
I
think
our
next
submission
to
you.
We
we're
going
to
be
re-looking
at
the
elevations
and
maybe
trying
to
find
The
Sweet
Spot
of
window
to
wall
ratio
in
in
that
case,
it
would
be.
L
We
might
be
diminishing
the
amount
of
of
window
opening
we're
hoping
not
considerably,
but
just
know
that
you
know
that's
something
what
we're
working
on,
but
hopefully
it
doesn't
change
the
Aesthetics
or
feel
of
the
of
the
building,
but
would
be
a
goal
towards
you
know
more
sustainable
project
in
terms
of
materiality
which
we
saw
on
your
agenda.
I
can
talk
about
some
of
the
materials
that
we're
looking
at
for
the
project
we
are,
you
know
just
as
a
refresher.
L
You
know
a
quick
glimpse
of
some
of
the
the
older
designs.
We've
talked
about
a
textured
fiber
cement
panel
of
varying
color
and
and
texture,
and
what
we're
currently
looking
at
right
now
is
my
sorry.
It's
not
letting
me
select.
L
We're
sort
of
looking
at
two
different
products
right
now
and
sitting
down
with
both
manufacturers,
but
one
of
one
of
the
products
we're
looking
at
and
considering
is
the
nichiha
panel,
which
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
are
familiar
with.
It's
you
know
a
nicer
fiber
cement
panel.
L
You
can
get
in
different
colors
and
textures
and
if
you
recall
from
our
design
we're
looking
at
panels
that
you
know
might
be
three
to
five
feet
in
size,
but
with
a
linear
sort
of
a
linear
scoring
horizontally,
and
so
this
is
one
of
the
products
we're
looking
at.
L
Secondarily,
another
sort
of
you
know,
brother
or
sister
material
to
that
is
the
the
Hardy
siding
a
fiber
cement,
and
the
Aspire
collection
also
can
allow
you
these
horizontal
striations
in
in
a
larger
panel,
so
we're
kind
of
we're
entertaining
both
of
those
and
and
looking
at
them
in
application,
and
also
in
terms
of
sort
of
cost
control
the
ground
floor.
We
talked
about
how
we
I
think
maybe
buy
some
urging
from
the
planning
board.
L
You
know
maybe
bringing
a
more
hearty
material
down
to
the
ground
plane.
So
we
are
looking
at
a
a
ground-faced
concrete
masonry
unit,
and
you
know
we
haven't
really
selected
the
color
or
the
exact
texture.
I
believe
you
know
this
would
be
the
project.
That's
just
to
the
north
of
us.
I
think
uses
a
ground
face
block
as
it
touches
the
ground
and
we're
thinking
about
it
in
terms
of
durability
at
the
ground
level,
and
then
you
know
just
in
terms
of
Aesthetics.
L
We
thought
that
could
be
a
really
nice
material,
the
upper
level
Windows,
where
we're
not
exactly
sure
of
the
the
product
we're
looking
at,
but
we've
been
looking
at
something
in
sort
of
Anderson
100
series,
but
we
are
entertaining
some
other
products,
but
we're
you
know
we're
looking
at
something
similar
to
that
which
is
a
composite
window
product,
and
let
me
just
see
here
this
toolbar
is
kind
of
hanging
over
top
of
okay
that
and
so
that's
what
I
had
in
terms
of
materiality
in
terms
of
the
the
site
plan,
we've
had
internal
design
discussions
about
some
of
the
spaces.
L
We've
talked
about
at
the
last
planning
board
meeting.
So,
with
some
urging
from
this
group,
we
were
asked
to
look
at
the
public
space
on
the
east
side
of
the
building,
namely
the
space
between
our
building
and
the
property
line,
which
is
about
six
feet
away.
So
there's
there's
this
this
Zone
and
then
by
the
urging
of
the
planning
board.
We've
also
sort
of
carved
a
space
out
of
our
ground
floor
near
our
community
functions
to
create
a
recessed
entry.
We
last
presented
to
you.
L
You
know
a
sort
of
a
permanent
bench
installed
in
you
know
the
in
these
two
zones
we've
been
talking
internally
about
we
actually
somebody
Laura
on
our
committee
was
thinking
that
maybe
we
misinterpreted
the
comments
from
the
planning
board
and
that
you,
you
might
all
prefer
you
know,
maybe
small,
chairs
and
tables.
L
You
know
much
like
what
happens
outside
of
college
town
bagels
or
something
like
that
at
in
lieu
of
you
know
a
bench
surrounded
by
Landscaping,
so
we'd
love
to
get
your
feedback
on
that
today
and
this
the
north
end
of
the
building.
We
have
this
Zone,
that's
you
know
some
45
feet
from
the
from
the
property
line.
L
That
is
beginning
to
be
more
utilitarian.
We
are
gonna
mask
and
try
to
as
much
as
we
can
a
small
transformer
and
Pad
that's
going
to
have
to
happen
in
this
Southwestern
corner
of
the
plaza
we
are
in
intending
on
an
asphalt
driveway
that
that
enters
in
this
Zone.
Here
we
actually
don't
really
need
this
hammer
head.
So
that's
something
we're
we're,
probably
going
to
have
turn
into
a
footpath,
and
then
we
are.
L
You
know
we
are
looking
at
a
small
piece
of
lawn
and
a
and
and
Landscaping
that
area
of
the
building
and
that's
all
I
have
for
you
today.
Rob.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
You
know
let's
go
around
actually
before
we
get
feedback.
How
close
do
you
think
you
are
to
those
materiality
decisions,
because
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
potential
choices.
L
In
in
terms
of
the
exterior
materials,
Rob,
I
I,
think
by
by
next
meeting
we
you
know,
we
could
probably
commit
to
them
like
I,
think
in
this
investigation
of
the
window
to
wall
ratio
and
all
we're
doing
a
you
know,
a
short
revisit
of
the
facades,
but
by
next
meeting
I.
Think
we'll
we'll
be
ready.
F
Thanks
I
think
all
the
materials
seem
like
a
great
quality,
so
no
comments
there
I'll
be
excited
to
see
which
ones
you
end
up
with
the
ground
face.
Cmu
sounds
like
a
cool
product,
I
guess
for
my
piece
on
benches
versus
tables:
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
randomly
use
a
bench
and
I
think
the
CTB.
F
You
know
their
picnic
tables
work
because
they
have
a
reason.
People
are
going
there
and
yes
they're
sitting
next
to
a
very
busy
street,
but
they
have
a
restaurant
where
they're
getting
the
food,
so
I
think
it
really
depends
on
what
kind
of
businesses
you
plan
to
have.
On
that
first
floor,
if
it
is
going
to
be
retail
versus
restaurant
or
something
like
that,
I
guess
just
without
knowing
that
I
would
prefer
the
picnic
tables,
because
that
seems
to
invite
a
more
active
use
than
sitting
and
facing
the
street.
F
Unless
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
bus
stop
there,
so
so
that
that's
sort
of
some
ambiguous
feedback.
But
but
thank
you
for
trying
to
activate
this
I
think
it
could
be
a
really
great
Corner.
That's
certainly
underutilized
right
now.
A
Yeah
I'll
say
I'm
totally
seating
agnostic,
so
you
know
whatever
ends
up
making
sense
for
you
is.
It
seems
very
reasonable
to
me
I'm
interested
in
understanding
this
top
from
the
north
open
space
a
little
better,
because
that's
a
lot
bigger
than
this
smaller
Southern
Open
Space.
That
is
really
clearly
planned
and
defined.
This
you
know
larger
Northern,
open
space
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
flux
to
me
and
I.
Don't
know,
I,
don't
even
know
what
I'm
looking
for
that
there
yet
but
I
mean
I
I.
D
A
Think
I
need
help,
understanding
it
and
you
know
maybe
there's
a
rendering
or
a
view
or
something
that
helps
me
get
it.
You
know
maybe
for
the
meeting,
because
right
now,
I
just
don't
totally
even
understand
what
feedback
I
get
I
would
give,
except
it
doesn't
seem
entirely
that
it
works
and
there's
a
lot
of
space
there
very
interested
in
seeing
those
material
choices
get
pinned
down.
It
seems
like
you've
got
an
interesting
Suite
to
choose
from
and
I
would
turn
it
over
to
staff
to
see
what
they
have
to
say.
G
Thank
you,
Steve
for
elaborating
on
the
materials.
Those
look
great
yes
and
excited
to
see
those
I
would
say:
seating,
I'm,
siding
with
Emily.
It
depends
on
what
the
retail
is.
You
know
as
to
whether
the
tables
and
chairs
worked
better.
One
thing
I
would
say,
though,
speaking
for
the
trees
is
that
people
are
going
to
want
to
sit
out
there
more.
If
there
are
trees
there
shade
it's
going
to
look
better
on
Meadow,
Street
it'll,
look,
you
can
respond
to
the
building.
G
Still
I,
don't
think
you
know
for
nails
and
grasses
are
the
only
things
that
can
respond
to
the
building,
so
I
would
definitely
recommend
more
trees
in
shade
and
I'm.
Also
really
interested
in
that
Northern
side
of
the
building
and
doing
the
thief
and
looking
at
open
space
I
was
excited
that
there
were
two
green
areas,
and
now
it
seems
as
though
there
are
not.
G
It
seems
more
utilitarian,
as
you
said,
Steve
so
I
think
I
Echo
Rob
cinnamons
of
seeing
some
kind
of
rendering
you
know
like
a
perspective
of
that
area
or
something
that
really
shows
it.
But
thank
you
for
responding
to
all
the
comments.
Thus
far
and
I
do
have,
and
there
is
a
draft
Thief
coming
your
way
as
well
with
some
materials
that
we
need.
A
B
I,
don't
have
any
further
comments,
just
hoping
that
if
you
continue
to
coordinate
with
fire
fire
department
yeah,
yes,
because
I
know
they're
yeah.
A
Great
well,
that
might
do
it
for
today,
you
know
appreciate
you
moving
this
forward
and
I'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks:
okay,.
A
All
right,
is
it
just
you
Cam.
Are
we
waiting
on
others.
Q
For
my,
this
is
where
the
firehouse
not
Cornell,
Sarah
Martin
from
our
office,
Tom,
Parsons
and
Rob
may
also
be
joining
us
I'm.
Sorry
I
got
the
agenda
mixed
up.
Q
Q
G
Q
F
G
Q
We
have
put
together
a
supplemental
materials
package
that
you're
going
to
get
ahead
of
the
next
planning
board
meeting,
which
we
think
addresses
everything.
That's
been
asked
about
the
project
so
far.
Two
of
the
issues
that
were
discussed
last
time
were
comments
from
Jean
Grace
City
Forester.
Q
She
had
made
a
suggestion
that
you
know
walls
and
guardrails
didn't
necessarily
need
to
be
screened
and
she
wanted
to
see
less
collecting
there,
and
so
we've
made
that
response
in
the
drawings
to
respond
to
Gene's
concerns
and
you'll,
see
that
you'll
get
an
updated
landscape
drawing
set,
and
then
you
have
asked
to
see
renderings
from
like
a
little
farther
back.
Could
you
see
some
more
neighborhood
contests
and
we
do
have
those
as
well
and.
Q
Was
a
question
from
the
city
engineer
about:
could
there
be
a
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
of
Elmwood
and
Elmwood?
Q
Elmwood
has
a
sidewalk
on
the
West
Side
already
and
on
the
east
side,
there's
a
very
steep
grade
between
the
curb
line
and
the
front
yards
of
people's
homes.
I
know
it's
kind
of
like
this
along
the
stretch
of
property
that
is,
for
this
project.
We're
actually
flattening
that
out
and
that
will
be
the
apron
the
entrance
to
where
the
fire
trucks
come
in
and
out,
and
that
will
all
be
concrete.
Q
So
that
section
will
be
walkable
Sarah's,
showing
us
pictures
of
what
that
looks
like
so
there's
already
a
sidewalk
on
the
west
side,
which
is
kind
of
on
the
left
hand,
side
of
this
image
and
putting
a
sidewalk
on
the
right
hand,
side
you'd
end
up
with
with
stairs
in
the
sidewalk,
and
there
isn't
one
now
and
in
order
to
put
one
in
I,
think
it
would
have
a
pretty
one
continuous
along
the
entire
Street.
It
would
have
the
heavy
impact
on
neighboring
properties,
but
within
this
project
property
line
it
is
walkable.
Q
It
is
concrete.
It's
just
that.
You
can't
there's
no,
you
can't
step
into
the
neighbors
front
lawn,
there's
a
grade
change
there
and
there's
a
small
retaining
wall
there.
So,
given
the
existing
conditions
on
the
street,
we're
not
recommending
that
you
know
we
do
anything
different
than
we're
already
doing
for
the
site
plan
right
now.
Q
And
then
I
just
I
wanted
to
ask
you
know
when
you
get
this
next
submission.
It
seems
to
us
like
how
the
boxes
have
been
checked
that
you
have.
You
know
you
know
the
building
materials.
You
know
the
planting
plan.
You
know
the
site
plan,
it's
important
for
the
schedule
for
this
project
for
Tom
and
his
team,
and
he
can
explain
more
about
that,
but
it's
really
important
that
they
get
in
the
ground
at
a
certain
time
and
they
can't
do
anything
until
they
have
saved
that.
Q
And
so
what
I'd
really
like
to
get
out
of
this
meeting
is
to
understand
what
else
you
might
need
to
consider
preliminary
and
final
this
month
in
October,
because
we'll
work
really
hard
to
get
whatever.
That
is
to
you,
and
this
is
the
image
that
backs
up
and
kind
of
shows
you
the
neighborhood
context.
A
As
far
as
trying
to
push
towards
you
know,
preliminary
and
final:
does
it
really
have
to
be
preliminary
and
final?
Does
preliminary
get
it
done
for
you.
Q
B
P
Yeah,
we're
we've
got
contracts
and
bidding
we
have
to
get
out
and
the
demolition
deconstruction
is
what
is
the
most
time
sensitive
piece,
because
we
need
to
get
the
structures
cleared
from
the
site,
so
we
can
begin
doing
retaining
walls
and
and
getting
the
the
majority
of
the
site
work
is
is
much
done
before
January,
so
we
can
start
construction
at
around
March.
A
Yeah
it
does,
it
sounds
like
maybe
preliminary
gets
it
for
you,
so
I'm
gonna
as
we
wrap
up
here
or
before
we
wrap
up
here,
I'm
gonna,
ask
staff
to
sort
of
walk
us
through
what
we
would
need
to
make
sure
we
put
pick
the
boxes
for
preliminary
also
what
we
need
for
Seeker,
because
that's
you
know
the
thing
that's
already
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting.
Just.
D
A
Sure
that
we're
ready
to
go
but
before
we
do
that
I
want
to
get
feedback
on
what
you've
shown
us
for
that
I'll
start
with
MLA.
F
Thank
you
for
that
neighborhood
context
with
understanding
I
think
it's
important
to
see
how
the
new
retaining
walls
work
and
the
the
sidewalk
access
and
I
fully
understand.
I
went
to
that
corner.
I
understand
how
the
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
the
street
is
the
one
because
of
the
slope,
so
that
makes
perfect
sense
in
terms
of
the
design
and
access
and
everything.
I
don't
have
any
further
questions
that
need
to
be
answered.
D
A
I
think
you
think
you're
muted,
but
you're
not
so
I
would
tend
to
agree
with
Emily.
You
know
this
looks
pretty
baked
to
me.
Not
no
substantial
feedback
on
design
and
what
we've
seen
so
far
I
do
want
to
turn
it
over
to
staff
here
to
make
sure
we're
taking
all
our
boxes
and
helping
you
move
forward.
H
G
Sure
yeah
I
think
for
the
thief.
Kim,
the
supplemental
information
will
be
great
we'd.
Need
that
and
then
also
just
some
questions
why,
while
you're
talking
Rob
had
mentioned,
if
you
could
just
write
a
little
blurb
or
you
know
about
the
traffic
impacts
of
the
fire
station
emergency
vehicles,
he
mentioned
that
last
time
and
that'd
be
great
to
know.
And
then
we
never
discussed
the
houses
that
are
currently
there.
Q
D
Q
That
are
that
are
from
the
operations
of
the
of
the
facility.
There
will
be,
potentially
you
know,
six
more
staff
members,
but
given
the
volumes
on
that
street,
it's
it's
very
insignificant.
So
we
have
that
and
that
data
for
you
in
the
supplemental
package
and
then
the
other
question
was
remind
me
what
the
other
question
was:
the
existing
houses,
the
existing
houses.
Q
So
the
design
team
is
putting
in
the
bid
documents
an
option
for
Ithaca,
reuse
or
significant
elements
to
come
and
claim
things
if
they
like
there,
but
the
actual
contractor
will
do
a
traditional
demolition
of
the
buildings,
but
there
is
an
option
there
to
make
that
Outreach
and
see
if
there's
anything
salvageable,
that
those
organizations
might
want.
G
B
I
would
check
in
with
Nikki.
Actually,
oh
sorry
I
think
she
just
said
what
what
is
required,
and
so
you
know
the
most
I
think
the
board
can
do
what
they
feel
comfortable
with
I.
Think
you
know
so,
given
the
state
of
the
the
part
three
and
the
Seeker,
if
you
feel
comfortable
with
the
information
you
can
do
seeker
and
preliminary,
you
can
also
talk
at
the
meeting.
B
If
you
want
to
go
to
final,
it's
really
what
you
feel
comfortable
with
and
we
will
certainly
say
what
we
feel
is
you
know
appropriate,
but
certainly
seeker
and
preliminary
after
Seeker.
You
know
we
do
so.
You
do
so
much
during
Seeker
that
going
to
preliminary
after
Seeker
doesn't
seem
like
a
stretch
at
all,
and
then
it's
just
like.
Is
there
anything
between
preliminary
and
final,
which
we
can
discuss
it?
Okay,.
D
A
A
H
Hello:
everyone,
Again
Bradley
Wells,
with
bism
joined
by
Laura,
Meadows
and
Steve
Hugo
for
the
gem
and
Steve
Hugo
will
be
presenting.
L
Hi
everyone
I
will
I
will
share
my
screen,
but
I
I
believe
I
saw
on
the
agenda
that
maybe
that
was
it
you,
you
were
all
going
to
review
the
part
three
I
think
the
only
the
only
updates
I
have
we
had
design
review
last
meeting
and
received
comments.
L
I
will
bring
up
an
elevation
for
one
quick.
Second
here.
L
Just
yesterday
had
some
conversation
with
Megan
about
a
code
interpretation
and
just
wanted
to
share
this
with
you,
because
it
was
an
item
we
talked
about
in
designer
View,
and
that
is,
if
you
recall,
it
was
around
the
conversations
of
of
you
know.
Three-Dimensionality
of
the
facade
our
building
was
previously
right
on
the
property
line
and
we
added
this
window
projection,
which
was
that
the
we
treated
that
like
a
bay
window,
that
is
so
that
is,
that
is
also
meats.
That
was
we
we
had
interpreted
as
meeting
the
definition
of
a
projection.
L
Megan
has
clarified
for
us
that,
if
the
floor,
if
the
floor
projects
to
that
line,
then
it
it's
not.
It
doesn't
meet
the
definition
of
a
projection
which
would
be
like
a
bay
window
or
something
that
hangs
over
the
setback.
So
I,
one
I,
think
small
modification
you're
going
to
see
to
the
design
is
that
this
sort
of
two-story
projection
is
going
to
be
modified
to
look
more
like
two
one-story
projections.
L
So
basically,
at
the
what
would
be
the
third
floor,
you're
gonna
see
the
building
sort
of
jog
back
in
and
then
jog
back
out.
So
it'll
be
treated
more
like
two
window
projections,
rather
than
one
big
one
other
than
that
I
think
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you
Rob.
Is
that
appropriate
that.
A
Sounds
fine
to
me,
okay,
for
my
own
piece,
I'll,
say
I
really
like
this
building
and
I
hope
that
the
change
of
projection
Works
it's
hard
for
me
to
Envision,
but
it
doesn't
depend
on
me
envisioning
it.
So
that's
fine
I
want
to
get
your
feedback
from
Emily
and
staff
and
then
after
we
do
that,
I
want
to
check
in
with
Nikki
to
make
sure
we
have
everything.
F
A
G
Sure,
yes,
I
think
we
have
everything
for
secret,
except
we
did
talk
last
time
we
went
through
the
this
is
a
seat,
it's
the
short
environmental
assessment
form
and
we
did
talk
about
you
providing
documents,
applicants
about
salvaging
the
materials,
so
that
is
actually
in
the
sieve
part
three
and
we
do
need
those
documents
so
that
we
can
refer
to
them.
So
if
you
can
send
those
to
us
for
mailing,
that
would
be
fantastic
and
the
only
other
thing
for
sneaker
that
I'd
be
sure
about.
Is
that
they're
that
you're?
A
All
right,
Lisa.
A
A
A
Q
So
today,
I
have
with
me
for
the
Cornell
project:
Sarah
Martin
planner
from
our
office,
Katya
project,
architect
and
Sarah,
Miller,
project,
landscape,
architect
and
Wanted
to
let
you
know
that
we
are
similar
to
the
Firehouse
we've
put
together
a
supplemental
material
package
that
you'll
get
in
time
for
your
next
meeting.
It
will
include
the
most
current
drawings,
the
most
recent
architectural
civil
landscape,
drawings
it'll,
have
all
the
renderings
that
we've
shown
you
today,
which
are
you
know,
which
will
officially
submit
to
you
the
most
current
renderings.
Q
It
will
include
an
official
submission
on
the
Hoy
recognition
and
we
finding
signage
we've
been
talking
about
that
at
the
planning
board
meetings,
but
we
haven't
officially
submitted
it.
Yet
it'll
include
more
detailed
information
on
the
building
materials
that
you
do
have
information
in
the
first
submission,
but
the
second
submission
will
have
some
imagery
of
the
architectural
materials
and
it'll
also
include
notice
from
the
Ithaca
fire
department
that
the
fire
access
plan
has
been
approved.
So
we
do
think
that
this
submission
will
set
us
up
for
consideration
of
at
least
preliminary
approval.
Q
This
is
the
Illustrated
site
plan.
This
is
the
most
current
plan.
It's
still
fundamentally
the
same
time
you've
been
seeing
from
the
beginning.
One
path
got
wide
into
tiny
bit
for
fire
access,
Sarah's
kind
of
pointing
to
it
now
and
the
place
making
and
wayfinding
signage
have
been
added
to
it.
Q
Yep
and
here's
just
same
plan
with
labels
for
the
placemaking
and
the
the
Hoy
recognition
and
wayfinding
signage
materiality
for
site
materials.
This
was
in
your
first
package,
but
I
know
that,
as
you
start
thinking
about
preliminary
and
final
approvals,
you
turn
your
eye
towards
materials,
so
that
will
be
in
the
package
again
and
then
materials
building
materials.
So
this
facade
that
we're
looking
at
is
kind
of
the
Southwest
facade.
Q
Where
there's
like
indoor
programming
in
a
cafe
and
outdoor
space,
the
materiality
will
be
painted
metal
baffles
in
kind
of
a
really
warm
color
to
bring
some
human
scale
and
warmth
to
that
outdoor
space
next
image.
This
is
a
representative
image
pretty
much
of
all
the
longitudinal
facades
of
the
building,
their
majority
of
the
space
is
metal
and
glass
and
painted
metal
plates.
As
you
can
see
here
in
the
close-up
and
the
base,
the
building
is
grounded
with
masonry,
and
it's
going
to
be.
Q
It's
proposed
to
be
a
brick
and
in
a
in
a
dark,
brick
color
and
if
you
know
the
site,
you'll
know
that
this
building
is
in
a
family
of
buildings
that
the
architect
here
is
really
working
hard
to
find
something
that
is
compatible
with
the
other
buildings
and
but
doesn't
imitate
them
next
slide.
These
are
just
the
the
renderings
that
we've
shown
you
previously.
This
is
along
Hoy
Road,
looking
at
the
new
building
and
as
we
carry
through
Further
Along
on
highway
road
in
this
image,
Upson
Hall
is
at
our
back
and
Gates.
Q
Hall
is
to
the
left
of
the
image
of
the
new
building
is
in
the
center
and
right
of
the
image,
and
then
this
is
along
campus
Road.
This
is
showing
that
bridge
and
link
to
campus
Road,
where
you
can
get
into
the
building
on
the
second
floor,
or
you
can
take
a
set
of
stairs
down
to
get
into
either
building
on
the
on
the
ground
floor
and
I
think
that
next
image
backs
up
a
little
bit.
Q
So
we
can
understand
the
context
for
that
and
then
I
think
there's
one
more
yep,
and
this
is
just
another
rendering
of
the
building.
This
is
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building
and
that
in
that
relationship
between
the
interior
and
outdoor
space-
oh
this
rendering
you
haven't
seen.
Yet
this
is
a
rendering
of
the
the
service
area
and
what
you
see
on
your
right
is
Hawaii
garage
and,
in
the
very
far
background
that
very
plain
building
is
grunman.
Squash
courts
and
the
proposed
building
is
to
your
left
and
I.
Q
Don't
know
if
you
caught
this
in
the
materials
yet,
but
that
entire
Courtyard
is
Forest
pavers
and
let's
see
that
might
be
the
end
of
our
imagery
for
today,
yep
and
so
I'll
stop
talking.
A
Oh
for
my
piece,
I
think
everything's
looking
really
sharp
and
then
we'll
get
you
feedback
and
then,
after
that,
we'll
check
in
with
staff
just
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
we
need
to
potentially
move
forward
with
preliminary
and
final
next
meeting.
F
Emily
not
much
to
add
on
this
one,
it's
a
very
sharp
building
and
it
feels
like
all
of
the
spaces
in
the
courtyard
have
been
worked
out
and
the
materials
are
very
welcoming
to
students
and
and
people
at
that
scale.
A
A
Great
this
one
was
simple
today,
for
you
know
a
big
complex
project,
hopefully
it'll,
be
every
bit
of
simple
in
a
couple
weeks.
Yeah
we'll
see
you
then.
J
I'm
trying
to
close
my
YouTube
down,
we
have
Jeff
Givens
and
we
also
have
some
fish
and
Donnie
Kim.
E
E
Hey
well,
thank
you,
rob
and
good
to
see
everyone
again.
It's
been
a
while,
since
we
were
last
with
you
we've,
you
know
evaluated
some
changes
to
the
project,
and
so
we
want
to
present
to
you
today,
I'll
kind
of
talk
about
the
changes
and
and
maybe
a
little
history
of
kind
of
where
we've
been
so
since
our
final
approval
with
you
in
really
September
of
last
year.
We
we
closed
on
the
property.
E
We
came
back
to
you
in
in
January,
with
a
few
slide
edits
and
then
given
kind
of
the
state
of
construction
cost
in
financial
markets.
We
hit
a
pause
on
the
project
start.
E
What
we're
trying
to
do
now
is
position
ourselves
to
start
construction
in
q1
Q2
of
next
year
and,
as
we've
been
evaluating,
you
know
everything
we
have
come
back
with
a
a
modified
variance
request
that
we're
proposing
to
bza
and
and
have
in
front
of
you
today,
and
this
is
an
attempt
to
help
us
kind
of
absorb
some
of
the
increases
that
we
faced
in
in
kind
of
all
categories,
and
it's
it's
somewhat
similar
to
the
plan
that
we
had
but
but
modified
in
front
of
you
originally,
where
we
had
a
seven-story
building
throughout
the
project
on
both
the
East
and
the
west
wings.
E
We've
got
preliminary
approval
from
the
planning
board
in
July
of
last
year
to
proceed
with
that.
We
subsequently
withdrew
the
variance
request
for
a
number
of
reasons
and
then
went
back
to
a
six-story
building,
which
is
the
basis
of
of
the
current
approval.
And
so
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
maintain
the
current
approval.
We
don't
want
to
avoid
that
in
any
way,
but
give
us
the
ability
to
execute
upon
the
variants
or
the
modified
plan
if
the
variance
is
is
approved.
E
So
a
quick
summary
of
of
the
change
here
that
we've
got
in
front
of
you
is:
we've
modified.
This
kind
of
seven
story
condition
to
apply
only
to
The
West
Wing
of
the
building.
The
building
is
unchanged
otherwise
from
what
was
approved
by
you,
and
you
know,
December
of
last
year
the
footprint's,
the
same
setbacks
are
the
same.
The
East
Wing
is
is
identical
in
the
the
parking
Arrangement
is
the
same.
E
So
this,
in
our
opinion,
is
a
is
a
reasonable
addition
of
density,
and
you
know
only
applying
to
the
west
wing
and
in
a
consistent
height
with
the
Gateway
Center
office
building,
and
you
know
again
the
justifications
as
we
discuss
you
know
on
many
occasions
we
have
a
unique
condition
in
the
finished
floor.
Elevation
of
this
site
is
so
far
below
State
Street
that
we
have
to
give
them
three
stories
up
with
parking
levels
before
we
reach
daylight
for
the
residential
units
that
that
front
state.
E
So
that's
a
quick
kind
of
update,
summary
and
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
Otherwise,
we'll
show
you
the
exhibits
kind
of
the
before
and
after
with
the
modified
variants
request.
Great.
Let's
see
those
exhibits:
okay,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Donnie
Kim.
To
take
us
through
that.
Those.
I
Can
everyone
see
the
screen?
You
hear
me:
okay,
yep,
yep,
all
right,
so
we'll
get
started.
This
is
you
can
see
the
this
is
the
view
from
the
East
Green
Street
looking
from
the
creek
side,
and
if
this
will,
let
me
there
we
go
so
this
is
a
side
plant.
Nothing
has
really
changed.
You
can
see
the
existing
Gateway
Center
building
here
towards
your
left
plant
west.
I
We
have
State
Street
towards
the
North
in
the
Six
Mile
Creek
South,
and
we
were
where
my
mouse
is
that's,
where
we're
dividing
the
our
project
into
the
west,
building
to
the
left
and
then
the
East
Wing
to
the
right.
So
this
is
the
refresher
since
we
haven't
talked
in
a
while.
So
we
have
the
the
parking
deck
on
The
West
Wing,
that's
starting
from
the
ground
floor
and
then
that's
about
half
floor
down
from
the
East
wing
on
the
top.
I
What
you
see
is
a
West
Wing
and
we
have
the
leasing
office
here
where
I'm
circling
over
and
then
the
plan
below.
We
have
the
parking
garage
entry
where
we
have
the
the
black
arrows
at
the
center
of
the
project
and
towards
the
right
is
the
ground
floor
of
the
East
Wing,
where
our
residential
units
stack
and
then
on
top
is
the
next
floor
up
where
the
parking
garage
continues
and
we
start
to
introduce
the
residesh
units
at
the
West
End
and
then
the
East
Wing
is
the
same
from
ground
floor.
I
I
The
plan
on
top
is
the
the
level
above
which
times
out
with
the
East,
the
State
Street
via
a
bridge
here
in
a
courtyard,
and
this
is
how
our
typical
unit
plan
or
typical
floor
starts
on
the
west
swing
and
then
on.
The
plan
below
is
a
typically
floor
plan.
That
starts
to
stack.
So
this
is
the
new
before
this
was
all
roofed
before
on
our
residential
sixth
level.
But
we've
added
the
typical
floor
units
a
typical
four
extending
up
on
the
top
floor
as
Jeff
mentioned.
I
I
This
on
the
left
is
the
elevation
of
the
or
this
is
the
north
elevation
looking
at
it
from
the
State
Street
on
the
bottom
is
what
we
have
previously
approval
from
and
on.
The
top
is
one
with
the
additional
floor
and
on
the
right
same
thing,
the
west
elevation
from
the
Green
Street
side,
with
a
creek
on
the
right
side
on
the
bottom,
is
what
we
had
before
and
on
the
top
is
is
currently
proposed.
With
the
added
floor.
I
So
this
is
a
photo
simulation.
You've
you've
seen
this
before
and
we've
updated
with
the
addition
of
the
floor
on
the
top
left
is
a
key
plane
showing
the
different
Advantage
points.
A
top
right
is
the
a
from
the
Green
Street
from
Creekside.
You
can
see
that
we're
almost
the
same
height
as
existing
Gateway
buildings.
Bottom
left
is
a
b
from
the
intersection
of
the
Green
Street
and
the
State
Street.
I
I
The
last
slide
that
I
have
for
you
today
are
the
before
and
after
on.
The
bottom
are
the.
What
we
had
before
previously
approved
on
top
again
are
the
proposed.
The
left
image
is
from
the
State
Street.
Looking
up
up
the
slope
towards
the
east
and
on
the
right
is
from
the
creek
side
from
the
West
looking
towards
the
east
as
well
to
show
the
difference.
A
Right
so
from
my
piece,
I'll
say:
I'm
very
happy
to
see
this
back
from
the
dead,
and
you
know
really
like
this
version
of
this
building.
We've
seen
a
lot
of
versions
of
this,
but
for
my
piece,
I
really
like
the
variation
in
height
I,
think
it
really
helps
sort
of
push
back
on
the
the
monolithic
nature
of
some
of
what
we
saw
earlier
so
aesthetically
like
you've
sold
me
fine.
A
You
know
we'll
get
feedback
from
others,
but
also
before
we
leave
here.
I
want
to
understand
exactly
what
the
Board
responsibility
is
for
approving
or
not
approving
this
type
of
change
to
something.
That's
that's
already
been
approved
because
I'm
not
totally
sure
what
level
of
review
we
need
to
bring
to
the
table
here.
So
so
I
want
Clarity
on
that,
but
yeah
for
my
piece.
I
really
like
this
really
glad
to
see
this
and
I
want
to
get
your
feedback
from
from
everyone
else
here
as
well.
F
Sure,
thank
you.
I
am
also
really
glad
to
see
this
back
and
time
gives
us
so
much
perspective.
I
know
it
was
such
an
arduous
process
that
we
had
so
many
revisions,
but
it
is
a
great
building
and
I
am
with
that
perspective,
so
happy
to
see
it
great
materials.
The
scale
seems
fine
in
retrospect,
so
I
think
all
that
work.
We
did
really
paid
that
you
did
really
paid
off.
F
I,
don't
see
a
problem
adding
the
seventh
story.
I
agree
with
Rob
that
when
you
look
at
the
creek
side
it
adds
some
definition
to
the
two
separate
Wings
by
having
one
Higher
rather
than
a
continuous.
F
You
know,
roof
height.
So
from
that
side,
I
think
it's
fine
and
I
don't
mind
it
from
State
Street.
Although
I
do
think
that's
the
more
sensitive
side,
because
you're
adding
a
story
to
a
residential
scale
Street,
even
though
it
is
the
transition
I
feel
like
that's
the
side.
That's
gonna
may
come
up
more
in
the
meeting,
but
I
I
feel
that
it
works,
and
then
it's
fine.
G
B
So
you
know,
there's
not
like
a
you
know,
there's
not
like
a
bright
line
about
this,
but
this
is
the
way
I'm
thinking
about
it
for
this
project.
This,
if
you
recall
the
Seeker,
was
for
a
building
with
an
additional
story,
so
you've
already
you've
already
looked
at
that.
You
already
liked
that
you
had
you
did
environmental
review
for
building
with
an
additional
story.
They
did
not.
They
withdrew
their
variants
at
that
time,
and
so,
when
they
came
back
after
get
after
withdrawing
their
variants,
they
made
the
building
smaller.
B
B
So
you
know,
but
it
is
a
significant
change
from
what
you
actually
approved,
even
though,
from
what
I
understood
from
everything
we
discussed,
you
would
have
approved
the
full
story.
Anyways,
it
just
didn't
happen.
So
so
I
feel
like
it's
a
big
enough
change.
That
has
to
come
back
to
the
board,
but
also
we
know
that,
for
the
majority
of
the
board
like
this,
so
I
think
that
you
know
this
is
an
unusual
situation
but
I
feel
like
and
I
gotta.
B
You
know
verify
with
the
attorney's
office,
but
I
don't
see
why
the
board
couldn't
say
couldn't,
approve
this
but
say
well,
if
they're
not
able
to
get
their
variants,
they
can
also
build
it.
The
way
it
was
approved
before
we
don't
usually
do
that,
but
I
don't
see
anything
legally
wrong
with
that.
B
Yes,
it
would
be
in
a
resolution,
so
it's
a
modification
to
an
existing
site
plan.
You
see
these
all
the
time
you're
dealing
with
this
with
City
Harbor
you're
dealing
with
this
with
with
Carpenter
Park
you're
dealing.
You
know
you
deal
with
this
all
the
time
somebody
decides
you
approve
something
and
then
they
make
changes
and
they
come
back
for
requests,
but
for
for
you
know,
changes
and
sometimes
those
could
be
handled
by
staff,
and
sometimes
they
have
to
be
the
full
board
and
again
like.
B
Maybe
this
could
be
handled
by
staff,
because
we
already
know
how
you
feel,
but
it's
a
big
change
so
and
it
requires
a
variant.
So
it
needs
to
go
back
to
the
form,
but
we
try
to
structure
it
as
long
as
we
were
allowed
to
which
I
I,
you
know
I
need
to
confirm,
but
I
don't
see
the
problem
with
it
that
you
could
they
could
build
either
one
depending
on
if
they
got
their
marriage
or
not.
A
So
that
to
me
sounds
like
a
clear
enough
path
forward:
I,
don't
anticipate
this
running
into
problems
in
the
meeting
you
never
know
what's
going
to
happen
once
we're
live,
but
you
know
this.
This
is
my
favorite
version
of
this
building
that
I've
seen
so
I
would
like
this
to
work.
We
will.
A
B
Mail,
yes,
and
and
if
there
are
any
you
know,
sometimes
there's
a
problem
with
like
you
know,
you
give
us
these
pictures
and
it's
you
know
there,
but
there
are
other
changes
that
are
not
clear
to
the
board.
Every
change
has
to
be
clear
to
the
board,
so
you
know
a
you
know:
a
set
of
elevations
with
labeled
materials
and
things
like
that
need
to
be
cleared
or-
and
you
know
just
make
it
really
clear
about
proposed
and
yeah
stupid,
simple,
stupid,
simple,
but
there's
a
big
building
so.
G
And
I'm
really
sorry
so
for
the
process,
and
maybe
this
is
something
I
should
ask
offline
but
Lisa.
What
you're
saying
is
we
could
say
we
approve
this
either
way
extra
extra
floor
or
either
as
a
parent.
D
B
I,
you
know
okay,
yeah,
so
I
don't
see
a
legal
reason.
The
board
couldn't
do
that,
but
I
will
just
verify
all.
F
B
A
Review
it
we
should
review
it
in
the
meeting.
You
know
I
think
I
think
that's
worth
looking
at
we'll
see
we'll
see
what
kind
of
stamina
we
have
for.
B
D
A
Yep
so
we'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks,
we'll
review
this
in
the
meeting
and
hopefully
get
you
an
approval
of
changes
that
gives
you
some
flexibility
and
we'll
see
you
then
great
all
right
guys.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
D
R
I'm,
sorry,
we
should
have
Mike
and
also
Jacob
Michael
yep
right.
So
yes,
let
me
share
my
screen.
First.
R
So
we're
here
to
provide
updates
on
the
clock
launch
on
the
City
Harbor
project
and
per
our
conversation
last
month
and
then
Boris
comments
on
the
design
of
this
location.
We
we
revaluate
our
design
and
explore.
R
Of
the
appropriate
connect
launch
design,
but
based
on
the
the
design
guideline
that
created
by
National
Park
Service,
we
feel
like
this
design
is
probably
the
most
appropriate
for
this
location.
Considering
we
have
another
Ada
kayak
launch
location
on
the
other
side
of
the
site
and
we,
the
design
of
this
location,
meets
the
requirements
that
was
outlined
in
the
design
guideline
by
national
park
services.
So
we
want
to
try
to
revise
the
design
a
little
bit
and
make
sure
that
this
meets
the
requirements
from
the
city
and
works
for
the
site.
R
So
we
have
revised
the
outline
of
the
long
space
up
here
near
The,
Promenade,
a
more
organic
way
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
works
for
the
functional
and
also
the
pathetic,
and
we
have
widened
up
the
ramp
for
the
pack
launch
space
and
then
increase
the
slope
to
ten
percent.
But
we
still
feel
that's
the
appropriate
slope
ratio
for
this
location.
R
We
have
also
added
a
few
more
Stone
retaining
wall
at
the
bottom
of
the
slope
to
retain
the
great
battery
and
prevent
sediment
going
through
the
water,
and
we
have
added
a
bunch
of
free
breaths
on
the
on
the
planting
set
to
stabilize
the
shore
a
little
bit
more
and
we
have.
This
is
the
planting
plant
that
goes
with
the
it
didn't
change,
I,
don't
think
so,
and
then
we
have
created
two
sections
that
will
help
the
board
better
understanding
what
it
looks
like
in
in
section.
R
So
this
one
was
cutting
through
the
ramp
but
turns
to
better
illustrate
the
real
dimension
of
the
long
space
and
also
the
other
Promenade.
So
we
as
I
indicate
earlier.
We
have
a
routine
wall
at
the
bottom,
and
this
Stone
will
be
right
here.
So
people
are
getting
into
the
pack
or
getting
out
they
could
you
know
just
sit
it
for
for
a
second,
and
you
will
have
a
similar
look
like
this.
So
we'll
have
some
kind
of
stone.
Underwater
and
people
can
step
on
that
and
the
Water.
R
You
know
Rising,
you
know
down
depending
on
the
time
of
the
year,
and
so
the
10th
percent
slope
is
still
really
appropriate
ratio
for
the
calc
launch
that
we're
proposing
at
this
location
and
then
the
rampiest
cell
rules
do
be
the
grass
and
gravel
mix
that
we
showed
last
time
and
then
the
punching
behind
here
and
here
we're
most
likely
looking
like
this
will
be
like
a
really
natural
water,
leveling
plants
that
will
help
secure
the
soil
underneath
and
then
we
will
have
a
long
space
that
have
a
different
width
depending
on
where
you
are
so
there's
been
like
8
to
15
feet
we're
here
and
now
we
have
the
Tempe
Promenade
on
the
side
and
then
the
second
section
that
we
have
is
directly
cutting
through
the
planting
space.
R
Here,
as
you
can
see
that
we
are
proposing
some
real
crap
at
the
bottom
of
the
slope,
So
eventually
looking
something
like
this
to
stabilize
the
shore
and
then
the
plantain
itself
will
help
stabilize
the
soil
as
well
and
then
so.
This
is
the
our
proposed
location
for
the
informal
one
at
the
Oak
front
location.
R
We
have
also
provided
some
updates
for
the
Ada
crack
launch
near
Point,
West
Beauty,
so
in
this
location,
as
you
may
know,
the
The
Talk
itself
will
be
great
found
that
so
be
like
purchasing
a
upshot
and
then
will
be
something
like
this
and
we're
proposing
some
other
amenities
outside
for
people
to
use
it
more
often
like
some
crack
racks.
R
Maybe
you
set
up
here
and
then
188
picnic
table
for
people
to
stop
or
sit
just
for
a
second
and
and
this
didn't
change
much
since
last
time
we
have
seen
it
so
I
think
this
concludes
our
presentation.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We're
going
to
start
with
feedback
on
what
we've
seen
and
hopefully
we
can
speak
to
that
question.
Emily
could
I
start
with
you
sure.
F
Thank
you.
This
is
great
I
feel
comfortable
with
all
the
changes
you've
made.
It's
so
funny
that
one
section
that
one
cutting
through
the
water
I
fully
understand
this
now
I
had
pictured
the
water
level
lower
than
the
southernmost
Stone
and
I
couldn't
really
understand
how
you
would
turn
the
kayak
and
now
I
perfectly
see
it,
and
the
addition
of
the
rip
wrap
is
great
to
stabilize
the
the
shore.
F
I
won't
comment
on
the
plantings.
You
said
that
didn't
really
change,
but
I
leave
that
sort
of
to
Nikki,
but
this
this
seems
great.
It
seems
like
a
great
compromise
between
a
naturalized
kind
of
wild
kayak
put
in
and
one
that
it
can
be
maintained
easily
and
continue
to
look
nice.
So
I
think
this
is
great
and
thank
you
for
the
additional
amenities
of
the
kayak
rack
and
the
picnic
table
near
the
Ada
put
in
I.
Think
this
satisfies
it.
For
me
looks
great.
Thank
you.
Yeah.
A
G
G
B
You
I
think
it
looks
great
too,
but
I
think
it's
not,
but
but
and
I
I
have
questions
about
the
seeker
and
the
permitting,
because
now
you're
disturbing
the
shoreline
so
Dave,
what
kind
of
Permitting
would
this
require?
B
And
it's
not
my
concern,
isn't
that
it's
going
to
be
an
obstacle,
but
just
that
the
Seeker
would
need
to
be
amended,
because
we
didn't
talk
about
that
that
it
wasn't
previously.
There
wasn't
previously
a
pro
you
know
and
like
we
didn't
have
anyways,
so
what
permits
would
be
needed
Dave.
You
would
know
this
very
well.
I.
Think.
N
Yeah
we
would
we'd
have
to
work
with
DEC,
let's
get
a
essentially
a
stream
disturbance
permit
and
just
as
we
did
with
the
the
sea
wall
and
the
dock
replacement
work,
I
don't
believe
this
would
require
an
amendment
of
the
Molina
footprint,
because
this
is
not
in
essence
of
Arena
function,
but
that
we
would
have
to
share
this
back
with
the
dec
to
to
have
it
permitted
for
work
below
the
high
water
line.
N
So
our
expectation
would
be
that
this
kind
of
work
could
be
done
during
the
the
winter
months
when
the
Lake
and
the
creek
levels
are
down.
So.
B
So
and
I
don't
remember
if
I
know
that
those
projects
were
separated
a
little
bit
I,
don't
remember
if
the
Seeker
for
the
doc
work
was
done
in
the
currents
with
the
with
the
project
because
it
was
done.
Obviously
it
was
done
a
long
time
before
I.
Don't
remember
that
so
I
mean
they're
going
to
come
to
us
and
they're
going
to
say
a
secret
for
this.
This
was
and
the
docs
were
a
replacement
right.
This
is
a
new
disturbance,
so
right
so
I,
don't
I
don't
have
any
problem
with
it.
N
B
I'm,
not
yeah
I'm,
not
questioning
the
benefit
of
any
of
this
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
we
cover
our
bases
because
they
will
come
to
us
when
you
file
the
permit
and
say
okay
where's
the
environmental
review
for
this
we've
never
done
one
so
so,
and
so
we
need
to
do
that.
So
we'll
work
with
you
to
figure
that
out.
B
And
then,
in
terms
of
the
layout,
for
the
golf
course
it
has,
we
did
resolve
it.
We
are
moving
forward
with
the
design
that
you
proposed.
We
can
so
for
the
board
members.
You
know
we
really
had
a
lot
of
work
to
do
about
whether
this
layout
worked
for
the
golf
course
and
I.
B
Don't
remember
if
it's
changed
from
what
you've
seen
last
but
basically
I
mean
the
board
has
obviously
has
jurisdiction
over
the
design,
but
we
were
really
working
with
the
golf
course
and
the
Department
of
Public
Works
to
figure
out
something
that
would
work
so
I
expect
you
would
defer
to
them
on
that
because
they
know
what
would
work
for
them.
B
So
we
are
gonna,
we
we
will
move
forward
and
you
know,
there's
all
there's
still
some
designs,
there's
still
some
design
details
that
we
can
defer
to
later
when
the
final
construction
drawings
happen,
but
we'll
outline
those
in
the
in
the
conditions
does
the
board
feel
comfortable
with
that.
A
Well,
I
think
that
probably
does
it
for
today
sounds
like
there's
some
things
to
figure
out,
but
that
we
should
be
ready
to
engage
with
this
productively
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
A
K
It
should
just
be
me
for
the
team
on
this
one
I'm
here
as
well:
Jacob,
oh
Scott's,
here
as
well
good,
so
there's
there's
sort
of
two
parts
to
this.
The
first
part
is
the
two
conditions
that
were
added
to
the
site
plan
approval
when
we
got
an
update
back
in
September
of
2021.
K
Those
conditions
were
the
submission
to
the
planning
board
for
review
and
approval
of
final
plans
for
the
front
entrance
Plaza
located
on
the
Southeast
side
of
the
building
depicting
all
site
details,
including,
but
not
limited
to
Landscaping
details,
exterior
Furnishings,
Paving,
signage
lighting,
Etc
and
submission
of
changes
to
warm
and
enhance
the
large
blank
facades
near
the
entrances
located
on
the
Southeast
and
Northwest
sides
of
the
building
to
the
planning
board
will
review.
K
So
we
have
some
renderings
and
some
drawings
to
illustrate
those,
and
we
hope
that
those
will
satisfy
the
these
conditions,
and
the
second
part
of
this
is
more
routine
updates
to
the
site
plan
itself.
There's
a
number
of
what
we
feel
are
fairly
minor
adjustments
to
the
site
plan,
but
we
are
obviously
leaving
that
up
to
staff
to
opine
on
whether
that
needs
to
go
to
full
site
plan
approval.
K
So
it's
been
a
little
while
before,
since
we
were
last
in
front
of
the
board.
So
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
the
queue
to
park
layout,
all
four
buildings
that
do
have
final
site
plan
approval
and
for
this
meeting
we're
just
talking
about
what
we're
calling
building
a
or
the
market
View
Apartments
at
the
North
End
of
the
the
site.
I'm
sure
everyone
has
seen
this
building
as
it's
being
constructed
currently
next
to
Aldi's
and
as
you
make
your
way
towards
the
Farmers
Market.
K
So
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
what
was
previously
shown
at
the
last
update
to
the
building.
There
was
a
there
was
a
minor
update
to
the
Assad
here,
and
this
is
when
those
additional
conditions
were
added
to
the
cycling
approval.
So
this
is
the
building
and
the
facades
in
question
that
caused.
That
issue
were
reviews.
Blank
facades
near
the
entryway,
which
is
more
or
less
duplicated.
K
On
the
other
side
of
the
building,
this
is
the
previous
site
plan,
with
the
plantings
shown
and
so
we're
going
to
show
you
the
updates
that
have
changed
since
then.
K
Yes,
this
is
the
approved
site
plan.
Again
it
it
generated
those
additional
conditions,
and
so
we're
addressing
that
so
here
highlighted
in
these
red
clouds,
are
all
of
the
various
changes
and
adjustments
that
have
happened
on
the
site.
K
K
Again,
this
is
just
the
other
view
of
the
the
the
building
that
was
sort
of
missing
from
the
previous
presentation.
It's
just
the
the
reverse
image
you
can
see
again
it's
it's
very
similar
in
its
General
elevation
again
with
the
the
quoting
the
condition
large
blank
facade
next
to
the
movement,
just
an
image
of
the
building
as
it
stands
today
or
yesterday
evening,
so
I'll
I'll,
say
in
all
our
future.
K
K
So
this
is
a
rendering
again
looking
from
that
intersection
on
your
way
to
the
farmers
market
over
here
on
the
right
and
deeper
into
the
Duke
Park
project
on
the
left.
K
This
is
the
most
public-facing
view
of
the
building,
and
we
have
film
expanded
plantings
around
the
entrance
with
the
goal
of
reducing
the
scale
of
that
blank
facade
and
making
this
this
entryway
a
more
welcoming
location,
we've
also
expanded
the
plantings
along
the
side
of
the
building,
with
the
goal
of
adding
additional
privacy
and
separation
for
the
first
floor
apartments,
and
that
is
repeated
on
the
other
side
of
the
building
as
well
foreign.
K
This
is
a
view
of
the
entrance
Plaza
just
more
of
a
top-down
view,
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
plantings
around
the
perimeter
and
then
a
view
of
the
amenities
that
will
be
in
this
entrance
area
as
well
benches
bike.
Racks
trash
can
picnic
table
trying
to
make
this
a
more
pleasant
space
for
people
to
be,
as
they
are
either
waiting
for
someone
to
enter
or
exit
the
building
or
just
to
have
a
quick
outdoor
meal.
K
A
All
right,
thank
you.
We'll
start
with
you
know,
questions
and
feedback
and
then
we'll
try
to
get
to
your
questions.
Emily.
F
Great
is
this
human
scale
Courtyard
with
the
extra
planting
the
same
on
both
sides,
so
that
we
would
only
need
to
look
at
this
one
rendering
to
understand
how
they
would
appear
on
the
back
side
as
well.
K
It's
a
very
different
shape
and
it's
much
more
adjacent
to
the
parking
area.
It's
much
more
of
a
travel
route
from
the
accessible
parking
spaces.
So
we
didn't
feel
that
putting
a
bunch
of
furniture
in
this
location
made
sense
since
it
is,
it
would
really
just
be
a
destructing
travel.
F
Well,
I
am
really
excited
about
the
additional
plantings
in
in
your
other
rendering
of
the
south
facing
facade.
It
really
separates
it
from
the
street,
which
I
think
is
great
and
will
hopefully
make
people
use
it
more
frequently.
So
I
have
yeah
no
problems
with
with
what
you're,
proposing
I
guess
in
the
big
meeting.
It
would
be
nice
to
walk
through
each
of
the
other
changes
around
the
site.
It
seems,
like
everything
has
been
enhanced.
F
Maybe
one
added
parking
spot
but
I
wouldn't
mind
a
quick
run
through
of
those
at
the
big
meeting
and
that's
all
I
have.
Thank
you.
It's
looking
good.
A
Yeah
for
my
piece,
you
know
I,
like
what
I
see
today
and
I'm,
going
to
lean
on
staff
to
help
us
determine
what
we
need
to
see
on
a
couple
weeks
and
some
Nikki
or
Lisa.
Whoever
would
like
to
take
it
from
me.
B
Well,
I
mean
I
I,
like
the
changes
to
they're
very
good
I
I
still
feel
like
this
building
is
separated
from
the
rest
of
the
development.
From
a
pedestrian
point
of
view.
It
is
really
not
part
of
the
rest
of
the
site
and
I
think
that
was
part
of
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
and
I
mean
maybe
I'm
not
seeing
it
like,
but
help
me
understand
how
somebody
coming
out
the
front
door
would
go
to
Cayuga
Medical
Center.
K
Yeah,
so
so
there
there
is
not
a
sidewalk
connection
on
this
side
of
the
building.
Anyone
leaving
the
building
the
most
direct
route
would
actually
be
to
leave
out
the
I'll
call
it
the
back
door,
although
they're
fairly
equal
in
their
their
nature
and
to
travel
this
way
across
this
crosswalk,
which
then
does
provide
a
continuous
and
crosswalk
connection
to
to
cube
medical
building
down
at
the
other
end
of
the
site.
K
A
large
part
of
the
separation
here
is
coming
from
the
property
lines,
particularly
the
that
of
this,
this
property,
the
BMW
restaurant
supply
store,
which
which
pinches
this
corner
here
and
and
really
does
require
a
bit
of
a
tight
turn.
That's
also
Complicated
by
the
overhead
power
lines
and
the
NYSEG
easement
that
runs
through
the
site,
as
well
as
our
necessity
of
preserving
the
Ithaca
Community
Gardens,
which
are
very
much
a
separating
factor
between
this
building
and
the
rest
of
the
project.
G
A
G
Okay,
so
I,
so
why
can't
there
be
a
sidewalk
on
the
other
side.
K
So
this
this
location
right
here
yeah.
So
these
are
first
floor
residences,
so
they
have
a
small
balcony
that
looks
out
here
or
a
patio
really,
since
it's
at
grade
there's
also
a
fairly
steep
grade
change
between
the
between
the
roadway
and
the
building
part
of
that
was
necessitated
by
the
floodplain
elevation
changing
during
the
the
period
between
when
we
got
final
cycling,
approval
and
and
the
building
permit
so
I.
K
The
building
has
raised
up
on
the
foot,
and
so
we
wanted
to
preserve
some
sense
of
privacy
for
these
first
floor
units
and
having
a
sidewalk
that
passes
directly
adjacent
to
their
bedroom
windows.
Just
just
does
not
seem
appropriate.
It's
also
very
much
a
grading
challenge
for
this
location
as
well.
G
Okay,
yeah,
okay;
okay,
that
makes
a
little
more
sense,
but
what
about
the
cross?
Look
so
I
see
a
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
the
street
that
just
ends
and
then
there's
nothing
from
the
crosswalk
over
yeah
yeah
like
right,
where
the
trees
are
and
the
bump
outs.
There's
it's
just
very
yes,
very
odd
and.
B
I'm
just
I'm
again
I'm
bringing
this
up
because
from
the
very
beginning
one
of
the
concerns
about
this
project
was
that
this
building
wasn't
well
integrated
into
the
site
and
it
was
separate
because
it
was
affordable
housing
it
had.
You
know
it
was
like
on
and
on
and
on
and
Council
also.
You
know
they
had
to
weigh
in
on
the
planned
unit
development
too.
So
it's
been
a
concern
all
along
and
I'm
just
afraid.
B
A
So
really
glad
to
hear
what
I've
heard
from
staff
on
pedestrian
stuff
I
had
sort
of
moved
past
that
and
forgotten
about
it.
Frankly-
and
you
know
I
think
that's
worth
addressing
in
the
big
meeting.
Is
there
anything
else
from
border
staff?
We
want
to
make
sure
we're
able
to
talk
about
on
the
meeting
a
couple
in
a
couple
weeks.
A
All
right
I'm,
seeing
some
shaking
and
shaking
heads.
So
if
we
can
take
that
down,
we
might
be
in
good
shape
unless
there's
anything
else,
I'm
going
to
call
it
thanks.
Everyone.
D
G
And
big
enough,
I
made
it
big
this
time.
Okay,
all
right
and
I
can
just
go
through
this
and
please
interrupt
anytime
agenda
review.
Of
course,
approval
of
minutes.
We
have
two
thank
you,
Sam
the
minutes,
public
comments
or
response
same
thing,
so
the
first
one
off
is
going
to
be
Cayuga
Park.
The
project
that
we
just
saw
and
approval
of
fine,
a
final
conditions.
G
Approval
of
final
approval
conditions,
City
Harbor,
we'll
look
at
that
Newman
golf
course
layout,
which
we
have
seen
and
then
formal,
public,
kayak
and
Lisa
and
I
will
figure
out
yeah
amending
Street
Apartments.
G
B
Preliminary
you
could
put
potential
preliminary
and
final
just
so
that
it
leaves
the
board
open
to
be
able
to
make
multiple
decisions.
If,
if
they,
if
you
feel
comfortable
with
that
you're,
not
you
don't
have
to,
but
you
know,
if
you
feel
that
you
can,
then
at
least
it
was
on
the
agenda
and
you
don't
feel
like
you
have
to
give
people
notice.
G
Citizen
we'll
review
the
thief.
The
people
go
out
in
the
mailing
and
specifically
looking
at
Aesthetics
materials,
open
space
and
Rec.
There
is
also
the
whole
thing
is
in
draft
and
there's
there
are
materials
that
they
missed
us
you'll
see
a
lot
you'll
see
some
yellow
foreign
Car
Wash
same
thing,
it'll
be
the
review
of
the
of
the
thief
which
will
go
out
and
also
their
new
materials
they
showed
today.
G
William
Apartments
is
designer
View
and
it
looks
like
they
have
that
ready
to
send
to
us,
and
then
we
do
have
the
sign
reviews
as
part
of
the
site
plan
review
process.
So
the
Ithaca
will
come
back
and
relax.
B
Nikki,
what
is
that
green
star
sign
variance?
Does
the
board
they
haven't
asked
us
for
an
amendment?
Do
you
think
you
know
anything
about.
A
A
You
will,
but
that's
fine
it'll,
be
at
the
end.
It'll
be
easy
and
I'll
say.
A
Stuff
in
this
meeting
that
has
the
potential
to
go
sideways
I
feel
like
it's,
not
the
most
packed
meeting
we've
ever
had,
but
I
see
a
bunch
of
stuff
that
could
take
three
times
the
time
we've
allotted
just
because
they're,
weird
actions,
we
don't
do
very
often
so
I
have
a
little
bit
of
worry
about
that,
but
I
don't
necessarily
see
anything
to
do
about
it.
G
B
Yeah
I
mean
I.
Think
from
our
point
from
our
side.
We
can
try
to
just
make
sure
everything
is
as
organized
and
clear
as
possible
and
that's
going
to
take
a
little
work,
but.
A
A
G
H
F
B
Q
F
B
D
B
F
A
So
yeah
I
think
getting
that
context.
Clear
could
make
that
go
smoother
than
it
might
otherwise
go.
Okay,
yeah
well,
it'll
be
a
good
meeting
we'll
check
in
beforehand-
and
you
know,
I
thought
today
was
fine.
I
B
Also
I
wanted
to
add
to
old
new
business.
Mitch
asked
for
a
conversation
about
potential,
Retreat
or
in-service
training,
and
he
was
interested
in
thinking
about
ways
that
we
can
improve
the
design
of
build.
The
board
can
improve
the
like
a
toolbox,
really
kind
of
like
approve
the
designs
of
buildings,
given
the
repetitive
materials
palette
that
we're
currently
seeing
in
their
repetitive
form,
I
thought
that
would
be
a
great
discussion
literally.
F
Q
G
It
about
Victor
and
talking
about
participation
in.
B
Oh,
the
meetings,
yeah
yeah,
the
remote,
the
oh
yeah,
the
new
open
meetings,
law
and
really
what
the
rules
are.
Yes,
that
might
be
something
we
could
even
stick.
I
know
it's
a
long
meeting,
but
everyone
has
okay
well,
we'll
send
it
out
to
people
but
yeah.