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B
I'll
call
to
order
the
February
10th
meeting
of
the
planning
and
development
boards
project.
Review
Committee,
we'll
start
with
introductions.
Daniel
could
I
start
with
you.
B
B
F
Okay,
we're
we're
in
in
the
process
of
providing
information
that
that
the
committee
needs
for
the
thief
three
right,
where
Nikki
we're
compiling
that
information,
and
we
will
get
you
that
letter
along
with
what
you
need
early
next
week.
F
Not
sure
if
everyone
knows
I
know
Nikki
knows
we
just
got
word
from
Megan
Wilson
at
bza
that,
as
long
as
we
reduce
the
depth
of
our
patio,
that
kind
of
reaches
northwards
on
the
plan
to
to
remain
within
the
the
rear
set
yard
setback
requirements,
we
won't
need
a
VCA
approval.
That's.
F
Really
good,
which
is
great,
because
I
had
heard
that
the
they've
pushed
back
the
next
meeting
to
April.
So
it
says
schedule
is
imperative,
of
course,
so
that'll
help
us
out
what
what
else
is
there
Frank?
F
We
we
had
some
information.
Some
questions
regarding
the
cubic
yard,
disturbance
and
Frank's
got
a
thought
about
how
to
calculate
that
that
information,
if
I,
could
pass
you
the
ball.
Yes,.
H
Absolutely
let
me
see
what
I
I
sent
you
a
note
yesterday,
I
think
what
we're
estimating
is
approximately
1500
cubic
yards
of
cut
and
fill
of
on-site
material
and
I
think
about
600
yards
of
imported
material
being
either
sub-based
or
pavement
materials
to
to
come
in
so
depending
on
how
you
defined
you
know
excavation
if
it's
generally
I
think
we're
talking
about
close
to
2
000
yards
of
earthwork
on
on
the
site.
H
I
Let
me
see
on
my
if
I
can
find
my
what
I
wrote
yesterday.
That
was
my
recollection.
H
Yeah
about
1500
yards
of
cut
1500
yards
of
fill
less
than
a
hundred
yards
of.
We
don't
expect
to
export
or
have
to
spoil
much
material.
A
lot
of
it
will
be
the
removal
of
materials
for
the
Pavements
in
front
and
other
work,
the
the
in
the
parking
area.
We
should
be
able
to
spoil
north
of
this
site
because
there's
a
quite
a
bit
of
fill
Area
North
on
the
north
side
of
the
site.
H
So
we
don't
expect
to
have
to
export
a
lot
of
material
and
the
import
yes
was
about
1600
cubic
yards
of
import.
So
I
think
my
final
number
that
I
was
suggesting
as
far
as
total
earth
work
would
be
about
2100
cubic
yards
yeah.
F
F
Yes,
Nikki,
you
had
mentioned
in
your
email
that
we
could
offer
a
a
dated
letter
and
so
keita
submit
attachments
along
with
that
letter.
F
We'll
be
submitting
the
structural
Foundation
drawings,
we
are
working
out
the
details
regarding
your
request
for
raid
and
garden
information
at
the
Cashman
areas.
F
We
are
in
the
process
of
locating
the
bike
spaces,
we're
just
trying
to
find
the
right,
the
right
spot,
we'd,
rather
not
have
it
at
the
front
door
just
to
avoid
you
know
distracting
from
the
historic
fabric
of
the
approach
of
the
building,
so
we're
looking
at
the
North
East
parking
lot.
So
we'll
have
that
information
for
you
and
our
contractors
are
coming
up
with
a
construction,
Logistics
plan
phasing
plan
and
we'll
have
that
for
you
as
well.
B
Right
well
with
the
action
on
deck
in
a
couple
weeks,
being
the
secret
determination,
the
usual
box
to
tick
would
be
to
make
sure
there
was
total
Clarity
on
what
we
needed
to
finish
the
part
three
and
be
ready
to
make
that
determination.
But
it
sounds
like
you
and
Nikki
have
been
in
communication,
and
that
conversation
is
fairly
well
developed.
I
would
check
in
with
Nikki
to
say
just
ask
if
there's
anything
that
we
want
to
flag
in
this
meeting
to
make
sure
is,
is
on
Deck
to
get
answered.
A
Thank
you
rob
I,
think
thank
you
that
yeah
you're
answering
a
lot
of
questions.
I
appreciate
that
I
think
the
only
one
that
the
the
board
had
some
questions
last
time
and
about
and
me
as
well
about
the
pervious
and
impervious
services.
So
there's
some
discrepancy
on
how
much
it
was
changing
and
the
application
versus
some
later
materials
and
then,
whether
you're,
using
those
grass
pavers
or
not
since
they're,
since
you
know,
there's
to
be
no
parking
correct.
H
A
A
H
H
There
there
is
soil,
covered
data
on
the
erosion
and
sediment
control
plan
that
in
the
Civil
set.
If
you
look
in
there
there's
a
table
on
so
there
is
a
net
increase
in
impervious
soil
cover.
But
it's
about
six
hundredths
of
an
acre
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
equates
to
in
square
feet,
and
then
we
will.
We
will
have
a
basic
sweat
that
I
I'll
put
together
and
and
provide
to
to
Matt
slajeski
and
and
make
sure
that
he's
happy
with
everything
but
yep.
B
Let's
open
it
up
for
board
members
any
questions
and
comments
on
the
project
or
anything
we've
heard
today,
Daniel.
C
No,
no
major
comments,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
this
project.
Great.
B
E
And
regarding
the
Seeker
determination
for
this
month,
but
I
think
at
some
point,
I
would
love
to
see
some
section
or
information
about
the
north
side
changes.
You
know
I,
think
we've
been
focusing
on
sidewalks
and
and
the
new
area
on
the
front.
That's
adjacent
to
the
driveway
that'll,
be
the
Gathering
space
with
the
permeable
papers,
but
I
think
on
the
back.
E
We
haven't
really
talked
too
much
about
stairs
the
and
this
Gathering
space
on
the
back,
which
looks
like
a
patio,
so
I
I,
don't
think
it
will
necessarily
impact
Seeker,
but
it
would
be
good
to
fold
that
into
the
conversation
at
some
point.
A
Just
one
more
thing
and
I,
you
guys
probably
know
this,
but
the
engineering
comments
too
just
make
sure
you're
in
communication
with
the
our
the
city's
engineering
department
and
The
Village
about
sidewalks.
F
B
Right
anything
else,
saying
none
I'll
say
thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
look
forward
to
seeing
you
in
a
couple
weeks
and
best
of
luck
on
Seeker.
A
J
No
I
believe
I
believe
we're
all
here.
All.
J
Morning,
I'm
Julia
Booker
with
vision,
development
group
together
with
me:
I
have
Laura,
we
all
know
and
Steve
Hugo
from
Holt
architect
and
Adam
from
Marathon
engineer:
Adam
Fishel
I'll.
Let
Steve
begin
the
presentation.
K
Sure
Julia
were
you
going
to
share
your
screen.
K
I
I
think
today
we,
you
know,
we
just
met
with
you
just
a
week
and
a
half
ago
or
so
and
got
our
negec,
designation
and
I.
Think
we
mostly
wanted
to
talk
today
about
you
know.
K
We
presented
the
exterior
number
of
times
we
've
dealt
with
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
in
the
seeker
and
I
think
we
really
wanted
to
mostly
discuss
you
know
any
open
items
or
the
items
that
you
all
think
we
should
focus
on
in
the
next
meetings
that
would
be
required
for
preliminary
and
Final
the
presentation
that
Julia
has
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
new
in
the
presentation
we
had
shown
some
updated
renderings
last
meeting,
including
the
the
rendering
to
the
north
Mitch,
had
pointed
out
that
he
had
some
concerns
that
it
wasn't
accurately
showing
the
parking
on
the
street
and
I
wasn't
exactly
clear
on
those
comments
and
whether
or
not
that
you
know
required
us
to
update
this
rendering
or
not
but
I,
but
I
think
the
images
that
you
know
you
see
here
in
the
presentation
are
all
ones
that
you've
seen
before
I
really
I
know.
K
K
K
So
so
Rob
is
it
fair
to
kind
of
you
know,
discuss,
process
and
and
expectations
going
forward
for
the
next
couple
meetings.
Sure.
B
So
what
we
have
on
Deck
you
know
written
out
is
potential
preliminary
and
final
approval.
You
know
you
know
as
soon
as
the
next
meeting
last
time
we
met.
I
did
hear
some
concerns.
I
thought
about
materiality
connected
to
the
larger
box
for
lack
of
a
better
term
and
I.
B
Don't
know
to
what
extent
that
conversation
is
still
outstanding,
because
I
just
can't
hold
that
in
my
head,
For,
Better
or
Worse,
but
I
think
being
ready
to
take
that
on
is
worthwhile
and
that
is
potentially
not
deal
making
or
deal
breaking,
even
if
it
stretches
on,
because
that's
wooden
have
to
be
resolved
before
preliminary
approval.
B
You
know,
and
hopefully
that
would
help
timeline
wise,
but
I
think
it's
worth
checking
in
with
board
members
and
staff
here
to
see
what
outstanding
concerns
and
issues
to
address
could
be,
and
I'll
start
by
checking
with
board
members.
Emily
could
I
start
with
you.
E
Yeah
I,
don't
have
any
other
concerns
or
questions
before
preliminary
and
final
I'm.
Trying
to
remember
this
conversation
and
I
think
it
was
Mitch
who
was
looking
for
some
more
definition
to
the
Box,
but
yeah
I
can't
pinpoint
what
what
his
question
or
request
was
either.
K
Yeah
and
Rob,
would
it
be
okay?
Could
I
could
I
partially
respond
to
that
sure.
K
Yeah
and
I'd
love
to
hear
from
the
other
group,
because
I
I
do
think
it
was.
You
know
mostly
mostly
Mitch,
and
you
know,
I'll
just
kind
of
share
my
observations
or
what
we
thought
we
heard
from
Mitch
and
then
what
we're
thinking
you
know:
I
I,
we
when
we
updated
this
rendering-
and
you
know
at
the
board's
request-
we
knew
that
there
was
a
discussion
about
materiality.
We
generally
got.
You
know.
Good
feedback
from
the
board
and
Mitch
was
vocal
and
said.
K
You
know,
I
think
the
Finns
are
doing
a
lot
for
you
and
that
I
think
it's.
You
know
kind
of
a
simple
box
and
I
guess
you
know
just
to
kind
of
hit
that
on
the
head,
our
you
know
our
approach
to
this
project.
K
You
know
again
the
project
we're
calling
the
citizen
it's
kind
of
it's
not
going
for
the
luxury
end.
It's
not
on
the
pure,
affordable
end.
It's
trying
to
be
this
kind
of
worker
Force
element.
K
You
know
we
intentionally
designed
a
building
that
were
was
sort
of
somewhat
simple
and
massing,
although
when
you
stretch
it
from
North
to
South
it.
Actually,
there
is
quite
a
lot
of
three-dimensionality
and
you
know
in
you
know
we
do
think
the
Finns
are
doing
a
lot
for
the
design
and
we're
we're
hopeful
that
you
know
that
the
project
would
generally
be
received.
That
way.
So
you
know
we
were,
we
were
hoping
to.
K
You
know,
discuss
that
with
Mitch,
but
I
I
think
you
know
we're
feeling
relatively
confident
about
what
we've
done
and-
and
you
know,
and
so
I
I
think
we
you
know
we
would
like
to
see
I
I,
guess
how
that
plays
out.
We
weren't
to
answer
your
question
or
to
comment
more
directly.
We
weren't
necessarily
planning
on
changing
the
massing
in
you
know
in
the
next
couple
of
meetings.
B
No
and
I
I
I,
don't
feel
like
I've
got
pushed
back
on
massing
in
our
most
recent
meeting.
I
think
I
got
some
limited
pushback
on
materiality
of
the
portion,
that's
being
stretched
across
the
block,
so
so
box
is
perhaps
the
wrong
way
to
refer
to
it,
not
your
showpiece.
Here
on
the
corner,
but
you're
you're,
you
know
yeah
this
stuff.
Oh.
B
I
I
think
we
haven't
we've
not
dove
into
that
material
to
the
same
extent
that
we've
talked
about
you
know
your
showpiece,
facade
and
I
think
spending
a
little
time
on
that
could
make
some
sense.
Okay,
that's
what
I
think
I
heard
and
I
and
I
think
that'd
be
a
fair,
a
fair
place
to
spend
a
little
time.
I
want
to
check
in
with
Daniel.
C
Yeah
I
I
look
I
like
the
building,
but
I
also
agree
with
Mitch
and
I.
Think
maybe
something
that
would
help
without
drastically
revisiting
the
massing
or
or
the
design
overall
is,
is
to
get
sort
of
a
detailed
view
of
the
paneling
in
I
know
that
I
I
believe
I've
seen
before
sort
of
like
fetestrations,
horizontal,
like
rivets
or
or
dips
within
the
the
mass
thing
that
sort
of
break
up
the
the
blankness.
C
It
would
be
great
to
get
a
detail
of
that,
because
I
think
that
that
adds
some
visual
complexity
to
it.
This
is
still
a
very
residential
neighborhood.
This
is
a
new
kind
of
building
in
this
neighborhood
and
so
right,
you're
visually
competing
with
maybe
shingle
style,
buildings
or
stucco
buildings
right
where
the
level
of
materiality
is
Rich
right,
so
I
get
like
look.
C
If
you
look
at
this
rendering
and
you
remove
the
fins,
it
seems
like
there's
two
colors
in
Windows
right
and
that's
I,
get
that
from
Mitch
to
the
point
about
rivets
I.
Think
that-
and
you
know
this
is
at
this
point-
it's
like
aesthetic
opinion,
I,
don't
know
if
the
possibility
of
vertical
rivets,
as
opposed
to
horizontal
ones,
are
an
option
that
would
work
with
the
supply.
C
I
think
it
would
look
pretty
cool.
We've
looked
at
a
couple
projects
that
used
sort
of
metal
paneling
and
the
metal
paneling
has
more
of
more
vertical
sort
of
repetition.
I
think
that
could
work
well,
but
I
mean
that's
just
personal
opinion,
without
necessarily
seeing
what
the
what
the
detail
of
the
panel
looks
like
right
now,
but
if
I
remember
correctly,
that
the
sort
of
the
again
the
rivets
or
I
don't
know
what
you
would
call
them
are
horizontal
correct.
K
Yeah
yeah
Daniel
I
was
going
to
ask
you
when
I
think
of
a
rivet
I,
think
of
kind
of
something
more
point-like,
but
the
there
were
like
striations
I
guess.
I
would
call
that.
B
C
B
All
right,
I
want
to
check
in
with
staff
Nikki
first
is
there
anything
that
we
should
be
paying
special
attention
to
as
we
go
through
a
potential
approval
in
a
couple
weeks.
A
I,
don't
think
the
only
thing
that
comes
to
mind
for
me
is
materiality.
We
haven't
gotten
any
samples
of
materials,
so
I
don't
know.
If
that's
something
the
board
would
like
to
see,
you
have.
You
know
you've
given
us
a
lot
of
information
on
materials.
Thank
you
for
sure,
but
nothing.
You
know
physical,
so
that's
something
that
I'm
thinking
of
especially
with
Daniel
last
comment
there
and
then
just
speaking
for
the
landscape.
A
Again,
one
more
time
I'm
gonna
plug
it
in,
but
we
did
hear
from
the
Arbors
and
I'll
include
this
guys
with
the
comments
for
the
planning
board.
She
will
not
accept
the
Mr
Maple
as
a
street
tree,
and
she
said
that
before
the
the
Aether,
denala
or
ganava,
and
then
I
would
just
plan
for
more
green
on
that
corner
where
people
are
going
to
sit.
I've
said
that
a
couple
times,
but
that's
just
my.
I
A
So
but
I
think
that's
all
I
can
think
of
Rob.
B
Thank
you.
Those
are
good
comments.
I'd
love
to
see
response
to
that.
Let
me
check
in
with
Lisa
and
then
Emily.
E
Oh
sure,
thanks
I
was
just
gonna.
Second
Nikki's
request
for
samples
I
think
there
was
some
back
and
forth
about
what
the
columns
on
the
south
east
side
were
clad
with
and
and
to
see.
The
striated
panel
so
be
super,
we'll
all
head
to
City
Hall.
If
you
can
provide
some
samples
thanks,
we.
K
Yeah
we've
been
working
on
that
so
we'll
we'll
we'll
work
on
getting
physical
samples
to
all
of
you.
Wait
Lisa
yeah.
D
Thank
you
Rob.
Could
you
just
show
the
corner
the
corner
on
court
Court
Street,
Buffalo
Street,
the
rendering
thank
you.
So
there
has
been
discussion
repeatedly
about
the
columns
and
I
just
want
to
bring
this
up
again,
because
it's
so
amazing
that
you've
expanded
The
Pedestrian
area
in
that
in
that
corner,
that's,
but
we
have
seen
repeatedly,
especially
in
the
downtown.
You
know,
situations
where
the
ex
it's
expanded,
but
then
there's
this
column
and
then
people
have
to
navigate
around
the
column
and
then
it
ends
up
being
not
as
usable.
D
So
you
know
I
think
the
materiality
of
them
is
really
important,
but
the
also
Dimension
and
shape
of
them
is
important.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
possible
to
cantilever
that
part
of
the
building,
so
you
don't
have
to
have
columns
at
all.
That
would
make
a
huge
difference,
but
you
know
in
the
drawing
The
Columns
are
tiny,
but
when
you
see
this
rendering,
if
they're
really
going
to
be
whatever
that
Dimension
is
you
know?
B
Certainly
anything
else
from
border
staff
all
right,
I'm,
not
seeing
anything.
So
it
sounds
like
we'll
dig
into
materials.
In
a
couple
weeks,
we'll
dig
into
the
corner
a
little
bit,
I'm
sure
that
there
will
be
a
conversation
about
landscaping
and
then
hopefully
we
were
able
to
move
forward
with
approvals
and
get
you
guys
on
your
way.
I
J
L
Eric
should
be
there
from
swbr.
Yes
thank.
L
L
So
I
will
start
sharing
my
screen.
The
second.
L
L
There
are
a
few
items
that
we
believe
are
the
open
items.
Please
let
us
know
if
we're
missing
anything,
but
in
the
last
meeting
there
was
some
further
discussion
about
the
ephes
versus
fiber
cement
on
the
white
piece
of
the
facade.
Also,
some
conversations
about
the
HVAC
condensers
along
that
lower
section
I,
would
like
to
confirm
with
Lisa.
If
there
is
any
comment,
there
are
any
comments
from
the
engineering
about
our
Overlook
plans
and
also
confirm
what
would
be
the
action
for
this
meeting.
L
Thank
you,
Emily
for
sending
me
an
email,
a
very
good
email.
Last
night
I
like
more
clarity
on
that,
but
starting
with
the
materials.
These
are
the
proposed
materials
as
you've.
Seen
in
the
past.
We
have
brick
and
if
white,
if
is
on
the
main
facade,
we
have
metal
panels,
black
metal
panels,
wood,
siding
on
the
balconies
and
and
then
we,
as
as
we've
been
talking,
we
are,
we
would
love
to
continue
using
the
efis
for
the
white
piece.
L
More
in
detail,
this
is
stucco,
it's
a
successful
project
in
town,
it's
holding
really
well,
it's
a
newer
project
and
with
a
similar,
color
tone,
so
we've
we
wanted
to
bring
it
up
that
it
might
be
a
good
opportunity
for
all
of
us,
even
developers
CD
everyone
to
look
at
ifis,
as
you
already
expressed,
that
you
might
be
doing
a
workshop
or
something
like,
maybe
the
material
evolved,
and
we
believe
in
that
so
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up.
L
But
one
of
the
requests
from
the
board
last
time
was
almost
like
a
case.
Study
of
the
differences
of
the
materials
I
know
Emily
also
mentioned
about
the
cost,
and
how
like
that
is
impacting
the
project
we
believe
in
in
using
the
ifis,
because
of
its
continuous
insulation,
in
comparison
to
the
other
materials
that
we
are
considering.
It
can
provide
two
more
two
times
more
insulation
than
the
other
proposed
materials.
L
We
can
have
like
this
big
panel
size
that
will
contrast
like
from
the
design
perspective
really
well
with
the
break.
We
think
that,
from
a
design
perspective
that
gives
this
contemporary
look,
that
we
were
looking
for
and
it's
a
more
cost
effective
option
that
can
help
us
balance
brick
and
Metal
channels.
There
are
significantly
more
expensive
materials.
L
The
fiber
cement
would
be
our
the
second.
Let's
call
the
second
option:
it's
not
as
great
for
the
installation.
It
would
limit
a
bit
the
size
of
the
panels.
L
It
still
has
a
contemporary
design
and
I
think
it
still
would
look
good
and
in
terms
of
cost
it's
more
than
two
times
the
cost
of
the
efis.
So
one
thing
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
is
having
to
revisit
materials
that
we
consider
more
premium
to
kind
of
like
balance
the
overall
cost,
and
then
you
know
it's
it's
not
as
expensive
as
the
fiber
cement,
but
would
have
a
more
limited
panel
size
than
the
fiber
cement
and
the
fist
so
from
a
design
perspective,
not
necessarily
from
a
cost
perspective.
L
It's
not
as
great
as
it
could
be.
What
we
believe
could
be
that
if
this,
if
you
have
any
things,
you'd
like
to
add
okay.
L
I,
don't
think
that
isn't:
okay,
okay
I
can
hear
you
Erica.
A
L
G
I
wanted
what
I
wanted
to
mention
on
the
cost
side
of
things
is,
you
know
sometimes
there's
a
perception
that
you
know:
lower
cost
means
that
it's
a
less
durable
or
less
robust
material.
G
The
reason
that
the
ethos
is
so
cost
effective
is
because
it
installs
very
simply
I
guess
if
I
will
say
so.
You
lay
up
two
inches
of
insulation
and
click
finish
right
on
that
fiber
cement
panels.
You
have
to
put
up
the
insulation,
that's
step
one
then
you
have
to
come
in.
You
have
to
create
all
of
the
reveals
with
easy
trim,
which
is
what
you
see
in
that
middle
image
there.
G
Those
are
like
two
piece:
that's
two
pieces
of
metal
that
create
those
joints,
so
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
reiterate
that
you
know
the
lower
cost
point
of
efis
really
comes
down
to
being
able
to
install
it
quickly
and
efficiently.
There's
still
a
very
you
know.
Obviously
the
insulation
is
is
really
positive.
There
is
a
drainage
plane
on
the
back
side
that
really
promotes
that
durability.
G
The
finish
on
the
efis
is,
you
know,
has
come
a
long
way
since
maybe
what
we
have
seen
in
some
of
the
other
projects,
I
just
wanted
to
I-
guess
clarify
that
that,
from
a
cost
perspective,
we
are
looking
at
it
as
it's
simpler
to
install
and
therefore
that's
where
the
cost
Effectiveness
comment
comes
in
versus
a
less
premium
material
from
the
different.
L
D
Is
really
helpful,
I
really
appreciate
this,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
feel
like
could
help
the
board
and
be
interested
to
see
what
you
all
think
in
in
really
digging
into
this
is
a
visualization
from
the
the
the
the
residential
area
above
this
project.
I
mean
you
know.
This
project
is
like
on
such
a
it's
in
such
a
it's.
D
You
know
we
know
it's
out
of
place,
even
though
there
was
a
factory
there,
but
you
know
the
development
agreement
it
all
had
so
much
to
do
with
the
residential,
neighbors,
uphill
and
so
they're
going
to
be
the
ones
looking
at
this
and
I.
Don't
know
what
it
looks
like
from
there.
How
many
houses
can
see
it?
What
it
feels
like
I
mean
the
in,
like
even
the
white
could
be
like
incredible
glare,
I,
don't
know,
you
know,
I
think.
D
If
there's
some
way,
we
could
do
a
visualization
from
above
looking
down
into
it,
which
I
know
it's
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people,
but
it
is
going
to
be.
You
know
a
totally
different
kind
of
neighborhood
I
think
it
could
help
with
the
with
the
conversation.
I,
don't
know
how,
if
that's
possible
too,.
I
G
G
Yeah
I
think
there
might
be
a
couple
other
ones,
though,
from
immediately
adjacent
properties
that
you
know
most
of
the
ones
that
we
were
doing
were
sort
of
from
like
the
public
realm
and
from
streets
and
and
Pacific
intersections
by
the
plane.
So
we
can
look
and
see
if
there's
any
additional
ones
to
fill
in
at
those
gaps.
L
Sure
and
a
good
point:
we
had
the
BCA
this
week
yeah
this
week
and
there
were
no
public
comments
complaining
about
the
property
they
they
removed
their
comments
from
the
discussion.
We
had
good
conversations
with
the
neighbors
this
week
as
well.
We
had
in
the
past
as
well
so
and.
L
I
just
want
to
show
the
condensers
we'll
be
updating
this
image
on
the
right
to
better
show
the
Landscaping,
because
I
think
that
is
also
needs
to
be
updated,
reflected
what
is
in
the
plans,
but
I
just
put
this
red
line
to
show
you,
where
kind
of,
like
they
start
and
with
the
updated
Landscaping.
We
believe
that
we'll
be
barely
seen.
L
There
is
a
big
slope,
as
Nikki
emphasized
in
the
last
time.
In
the
comments
we
we're
really
tight
on
for
the
to
put
the
fans
or
the
screen
that
was
requested.
L
We
would
like
to
discuss
like
what
can
we
do
like
if
maybe
install
a
planting
evergreen
trees
on
the
city?
Side
would
be
a
possibility
for
the
city.
We
could
try
that,
but
we
are
concerned
that
we
tried
to
put
the
building
as
low
as
that
as
possible
on
the
side
because
of
the
topography
to
reduce
the
overall
height
for
the
Neighbors
as
well.
So
we
would
like
to
discuss
that
a
bit
more.
G
Laura
I
do
have
a
updated
version
of
this.
It's
not
fully
rendered,
but
I
can
share
that.
You
were
probably
distracted
on
your
previous
meeting,
but
let
me
share
what
what
we
put
together
and
I
think
it'll
shed
a
little
bit
more
light
on.
L
G
So
here
is
our
Landscaping
plan,
so
you
know
the
condensers
aren't
shown
here
but,
as
you
know,
as
we
know,
they're
sort
of
all
along
this
side
so
where
we
can
at
the
street
line
we're
providing
plantings
here.
So
these
are
sort
of
like
party
party,
plantings
and
I
guess
I
would
describe
them
as
I.
Don't
remember
what
this
says,
but
after
talking
with
Marley
on
our
landscape
team,
these
are
intended
to
help
Shield
that
they
would
be
hearty
and
thick
all
year
round.
G
So
that
was
the
idea
with
that,
and
then
you
know
I
think
we
had
shown
some
of
these
before,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
review
this
a
little
bit
so
this
this
existing
fire
hydrant
just
to
get
our
bearings
is
right
here
so
and
then
this
fence
here
represents
essentially
the
property
line.
So
I
just
think
you
know
we
can't
emphasize
enough
how
much
growth
there
is
on
the
city,
partial
parcel,
which
is
great.
It's
going
to
really
help
sort
of
Shield
some
of
those
pieces,
especially
from
Lake
Street.
G
So
we
had
sort
of
you
know
again.
This
is
that
original
rendering
we
did
wasn't
exactly
indicative
of
what
the
plantings
were
going
to
be
at
the
time,
because
we
hadn't
really
figured
that
out
quite
yet,
but-
and
we
didn't
know
the
condensing
unit
sort
of
how
many
there
were
going
to
be,
but
just
as
a
really
rough
image.
This
is
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
so
in
in
red
here
would
be
sort
of
what
we
are
planning
to
do.
G
They
would
be
a
little
bit
lower
than
what's
already
there,
but
they
would
be
like
I
said
hearty.
You
know,
year-round
plantings
that
would
help
Shield
that,
and
then
this
blue
is
probably
even
smaller
than
what's
actually
out
there
today.
As
you
can
see,
there's
some
really
solid
growth
there.
That
would
help,
and
then
you
know
you
can
really
see
in
this
aerial
image
which
we've
shown
before
that
does
stop
once
you
get
to
the
Northern
end
of
the
site.
G
So
if
you're
standing
on
the
smokestack
parcel,
for
example
or
in
that
parking
lot,
which
you
can't
quite
see
here-
that's
really
where
your
the
biggest
view
is
going
to
be
so
kind
of
in
blue
here
represents
more
or
less
like
where
the
existing
growth
would
come.
But
then
there
is
this
Gap
here.
So
what
Laura
was
describing
sort
of
at
the
end?
Is
you
know?
G
Maybe
we
don't
probably
have
enough
room
to
physically
construct
anything
on
our
parcel,
but
if
we
could
maybe
do
some
plantings
or
plant
something
on
the
city's
land,
we
could
do
that
and
sort
of
try
to
continue
this
line
and
help
to
Shield
some
of
those.
But
you
know
really.
This
is
a
parking
lot
and
it's
not
necessarily
you
know
a
high
profile
area
to
be
building
from,
but
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
these
couple
of
images
here,
as
we
think
about
this
a
little
bit
further.
B
That's
hopeful
context
anything
else
from
the
applicant
before
we
dive
into
questions
and
comments.
No,
all.
I
B
C
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
the
detailed
explanation
on
the
different
siding
materials
for
the
white
I.
It
for
the
most
part
feel
comfortable
with
the
white
ethos.
C
I
think
the
large
paneling
is
is
a
welcome
sort
of
sort
of
aesthetic
change
that
we
don't
see
too
much
of
and
the
the
only
thing
I
might
ask
is
right:
if
this
material
doesn't
perform
the
way
that
we
expect
it
to
right,
I,
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
of
having
the
applicant
sort
of
commit
to
a
maintenance,
some
kind
of
a
routine
sort
of
annual
facade
maintenance
schedule
I
think
we
are
all
kind
of
taking
a
limit.
If
this
works
out,
we
can
have
more
of
this
material
successfully
throughout
throughout.
C
You
know
Ithaca,
but
if
it
doesn't
right,
I
I
think
there's
a
couple
buildings
that
we
can
point
at
some
even
right
and
developed
by
the
same
developer
that
have
not
aged
probably
the
way
that
they
were
expected
to
I.
Think
one
of
them
is
to
the
The
Loft
building
in
college
town
with
the
wood
siding
forget
the
bill.
C
I
don't
know
the
address
exactly,
but
I
think
that
would
make
me
fully
comfortable
with
with
the
material
but
I
I
get
and
appreciate
all
other
justifications
and
aesthetically
I
really
like
this
building
I,
like
the
combination
of
materials
and
colors
and
the
scale
and
I
even
like
massing
so
yeah
about
the
I.
Think
I
was
the
one
that
asked
for
sort
of
a
protective
barrier.
I
I
think
that
the
slope
is
significant
enough
where
it
does
seem
like
Overkill,
but
more
planned.
Things
are
always
are
always
welcome.
C
I
think,
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
towards
the
gorge,
there
was
a
there
was
a
downward
stairs
and
I
think
what
I
was
looking
to
prevent
was
sort
of
undesired
access
right,
but
the
slope
is
very
defensible
space,
maybe
just
a
small
angular
fence
to
prevent
he
could
even
be
deer.
I
mean
I,
don't
know
who
who
messes
with
condenser
units,
but
that's
a
lot
of
condenser
units,
and
it's
not
that
the
condenser
unions
are
sensitive.
C
But
as
you
know,
it
could
be
the
hoses
right
so
yeah,
it's
either
a
Gates
or
or
just
a
door
that
controls
who
who
or
how
you
can
actually
access
the
units
sort
of
from
from
from
the
front
of
the
building
other
than
that
I
feel
comfortable
and,
as
always,
I
appreciate
the
level
of
a
follow-up
with
you
guys.
So
thanks.
E
Hi
thanks
so
I
think
I'm
willing
to
go
out
on
a
limb
on
ephes,
based
on
the
comparisons.
I
think
the
cost
comparisons
were
Illuminating
to
see
that
other
panelized
products
are
more
than
200.
I
would
hate
to
see
the
brick
in
the
wood
be
swapped
out
for
something
that
is
a
lesser
quality
in
service
of
getting
us
something
other
than
ephes,
so
that
plus
the
two
inches
of
insulation,
I
I'm
on
board
I
think
we
should
try.
It
and
I
will
say
the
same
thing
in
the
big
meeting.
E
My
question
is:
when
was
the
215
Spencer
Street
built?
Does
anybody
know?
Was
that
a
vision,
project
or
well?
Does
anyone
from
the
city
no
I'm
gonna
go
take
a
look
at
it.
That's
a
good
suggestion,
just
curious
how
old
it
is.
D
L
Least
yes,
I
was
looking
through
that
that's
not
a
project
from
us.
I
can
double
check
with
stream,
but
there
was
a
physical
education
was
2015..
So.
D
L
I
think
you
mentioned
the
less
meaning
and
I
100
agree.
We
are
the
the
most
interest
parties
on
keeping
the
property
looking
good
like.
If
it's
not
looking
good,
it's
it's
the
main
facade,
it
will
hurt
our
leasing,
it
would
hurt
our
reputation
so
I
agree
and
the
the
wood
siding
I
think
on
201
College
Ave
didn't
age.
Well,
so
we
never
use
that
one
anymore,
so
I
think
was
a
bamboo
material.
Something
like
that.
Okay,.
B
Want
to
check
in
with
Lisa
on
the
city,
land,
planting
screening
idea.
D
I
mean
we
can
ask
I,
don't
know
that
there
might
be
some
restrictions
on
that
land
because
it
was
a
cleanup,
yes,
but
so
I
mean
we
can
certainly
ask
we
can
ask
Gene
Grace
I,
don't
think
on
the
face
of
it.
Planting
on
city
land
would
be
a
bad
thing
is,
but
it
was
just
a
issue
of
Maintenance
and
all
of
that
and
establishment.
D
L
D
A
I,
don't
think
right
now,
no
answered
a
lot
of
the
questions.
Thank
you
great.
B
The
actions
for
the
next
meeting
are
we're
going
to
deem
the
recreational
River
permit,
application
complete
and
then
set
public
hearing
and
I
will
confess
to
not
being
entirely
clear
on
what
that
means.
So
I
will
check
in
with
Lisa.
So.
D
What
we're
doing
right
so
that
a
portion
of
Fall
Creek
is
deemed
a
recreational
River
and
the
state
made
that
determination
but
gave
the
jurisdiction
for
issuing
recreational
River
permits
to
the
municipality,
and
you
do
about
I
mean
you've,
probably
done
four
of
them
in
the
last
10
years,
and
it's
because
it's
only
on
that
portion
of
the
roof.
So
the
Overlook
requires
a
recreational
River.
L
D
D
So
we
would
have
initiated
it
earlier,
but
it
there
was
still
a
question
about
exactly
what
the
Overlook
was
going
to
look
like
and
I
still
think,
there's
still
a
question
about
that,
but
I
feel
like
we
can
initiate
it,
as
as
some
of
the
questions
have
been
answered
like
what
geotechnically
will
be
required
to
build
it.
You
know
you
have
proposed
a
particular
Bridge,
so
we
want
to
start
that
process.
It
is.
D
Does
it
have
its
own
timeline
and
I
would
try
to
bring
that
up,
Lisa
sure
which
I've
given
you
before,
and
you
know
we
also
want
it
is
city
property.
So
we
want
some
want
to
make
sure
common
Council
understands
what
you're
doing
on
that
property
and
has
input
on
it.
D
I've
already
showed
it
to
them
once
with
the
development
agreement
or
twice,
but
I
want
to
bring
it
back
to
planning
committee
this
month
to
see
if
they
have
any
more
comments
on
the
design,
but
I
do
feel
comfortable,
initiate
they
did
submit
their
application.
I
do
feel
comfortable
initiating
it
that
process
now
I.
Don't
necessarily
think
that
we
have
to
hold
up
yeah.
That
was
the
pre.
Is
that
the
updated
one?
D
It
is
yeah?
Yes,
okay!
So
that's
the
pro!
That's
the
okay!
So
that's
about
that
so
yeah,
that's
the
schedule
for
it
I
think
we
could
do
preliminary
approval
at
the
same
time
as
this.
D
It's
final
approval,
sorry
yeah,
I
think
you
I
mean
I,
feel
Comfort
I
feel
like
I
can
see
a
way
to
do
final
approval,
but
there'd
be
a
lot
of
conditions,
and
you
know
one
of
the
conditions
on
the
approval
is
going
to
be
that
which
you
know
just
as
practical
that
this
has
to
be
built
before
you
can
get
a
CO
yeah,
but
it
it
isn't.
It
hasn't
been.
It's
still.
D
It's
still
in
flux
with
design,
but
if
you
board
wants
to
separate
it
out
from
the
final
approval
for
the
building,
I
think
that
is
I.
Don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I,
don't
think
it's
any
I,
don't
think
you're
losing
any
control
or
anything.
As
long
as
it's
very
clear
that
final
approval
is
for
the
building
and
the
site
and
then
there's
another
approval
for
the
just.
A
L
The
point
lined
up
and
they
we've
been
sharing
with
them,
that
we
will
get
approvals
this
month,
xboxing
approval,
so
it
would
be
very,
very
important
so.
B
Depending
on
where
the
material
conversation
lands
in
the
meeting,
I
could
imagine
that
happening.
You
know
and
I
I,
don't
think
that's
crazy
and
we've
heard
from
Lisa.
She
doesn't
think
it's
crazy
Nikki.
A
Yeah
yeah
I
don't
either,
but
just
to
be
clear,
would
it
be
two
phases
of
final
at
least
everything
would
put
up
conditions
on
it
would
be
I.
D
I,
don't
know
I
gotta,
think
about
it,
and
I
also
need
to
check
the
rules
for
the
recreational
River
permit.
Okay,
so
let
me
do
both
of
those,
but
we
will
do
our
best
to
find
out
path
forward,
and
that
makes
sense
in
terms
of
Permitting.
In
terms
of
you
know,
follow-up,
and
that
is
of
course
follows
the
rules
for
the
recreation
yeah.
All.
E
Yeah
Laura,
you
said
that
you
were
at
the
bza.
Does
that
mean
you
got
your.
L
L
A
Yeah
awesome,
please
stop
me,
you
know
whenever
approval
minute
will
happen,
November
minute
ready
to
go
the
breeze
and
we'll
add
that
action
potential,
whatever
it
decides,
potential
final
approval
on
building
and
site
or
whatever
it
is,
does
that.
I
A
Sense,
the
citizen,
it's
the
potential
preliminary
and
final
site
plan
approval
and
then
for
Alpha
by
Alpha
at
105
Westborn.
We
have
secret
determination
and
it
sounds
like
they
will
get
you
guys
all
the
materials
and
then
old
new
business.
This
was
something
that
Mitch
had
brought
up.
A
There
is
the
house
I,
don't
know
if
you've
heard
the
Red
House
on
408
North
Tioga
Street,
that
is
at
the
County
right
now
legislature
and
they're,
deciding
whether
they
would
tear
it
down,
deconstruct
it
or
not
and
Mitch
with
bringing
up
that
it
is,
you
know,
has
planning
implications.
So
what
kind?
What
kind
of
action
you
all
would
want
to
do
and
I
just
heard
I'm
gonna
have
to
look
but
I.
Think
at
the
legislature.
A
I,
don't
know
if
you
saw
this
Lisa
ortham
the
legislation
last
night
I
think
they're
putting
it
on
hold,
but
I'm
not
sure
about
that.
A
Yeah
so
at
least
to
have
a
conversation
about
it,
yeah
and
then
Mitch
also
brought
up
that
he
would
like
to
know
about
the
the
Public
Works
flood
prevention,
study
and
I
know.
Lisa
knows
a
lot
about
this
too,
but
he
mentioned
maybe
Mike
Thorne
as
well
Michael
Thorne
to
come
and
talk
yeah.
D
The
other
thing
that,
since
it's
a
short
meeting,
we
could
have
a
special
presentation,
for
you
know
of
something
that
interests
you
like
either
one
of
those
things,
and
we
could
also
have
the
it
could
ask
also
the
sustainability,
Rebecca
Evans
to
come
and
talk
about
what
she's
up
to
with
sustainability
too.
So,
if
we
did
that
the
flood
Public
Works
flood
prevention
study,
we
would
ask
Mike
to
come
and
present
that
or
Rebecca
to
come
and
do
a
sustainability
we
could
put
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
as
a
special
presentation.
D
B
E
Yes,
I
would
welcome
either
of
those.
Why.
D
Don't
we
check
in
with
both
Mike
and
Rebecca
and
then
just
send
out
an
e,
we'll,
send
out
an
email
and
see
what
people
prefer.
A
E
I
was
just
curious
if
well,
two
things
they've,
we
had
any
leads
on
a
new
member
and
also
you
know.
Last
time,
I
was
kind
of
took
to
heart,
Rob
and
Mitch's
comments
both
about
we
shouldn't
really
be
just
pushing
projects
through
I
feel,
like
maybe
I,
feel
a
bit
complacent
lately.
E
It
could
be
because
a
lot
of
these
projects
are
very
well
reviewed
and
so
I
feel
like
I'm,
not
being
as
critical
as
I
could
be
so
I
wondered
if
we
could
revisit
doing
the
retreat
a
little
bit
sooner,
but
probably
it
makes
sense
to
wait
until
the
new
board
member
is
brought
in
to
do
that.
I.
D
Think
so
yeah
I
mean
I,
don't
feel
like
you
push
projects
through
in
any
way.
You
really
review
them
a
lot,
but
I
think
the
conversation
was
more
like.
How
can
we
work
within
the
constraints
that
the
developers
are
working?
You
know
where
to
push.
B
B
Let
the
Tail
Wag
the
Dog,
and
you
know
you
guys-
do
plenty
of
review.
E
E
C
What
maybe
would
be
helpful
is
some
kind
of
a
right
if
we
have
a
conversation
at
a
retreat
or
something
about
what
what
general
standards
are
or
areas
of
input
where
we
can
fairly
sort
of
push
back,
and
we
agree
on
something
that
would
be
helpful
because
I
wouldn't
say
that
I
feel
like
we
drag
projects
on,
but
sometimes
I,
don't
know
where
we
can
provide
input.
Like
you
know,
Lisa's
point
about
the
cantilevering.
The
corner
at
the
citizen.
Right
is
something
that
you
know.
C
I
I
would
have
loved
to
have
suggested,
but
sometimes
I
feel
like
maybe
changing
the
overall
structure
is
sort
of
beyond
our
reach.
By
the
time
we've
already
made
approvals,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
helpful,
I
yeah
yeah.
D
You
want
to
know
where
you
can
push
and
where
yeah
you
do
have
a
lot
of
you
have
a
lot
of
ability
to
ask
for
a
lot
of
things,
so
maybe
a
little
more
training
on
that
too.
During.
I
B
Seeing
none,
let's
see,
I,
take
a
motion
to
adjourn.
Only
moves.