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A
All
right,
it's
602
p.m.
February,
28th
and
I
will
call
to
order
the
February
28th
meeting
of
the
city
of
indigo,
Planning
and
Development
board
foraging
a
review
we'll
start
with
introductions
anyway,
but
I'll
start
with
you,
Emily
Katrina,
member
of
the
board,
Eric
black,
remember
Illinois,.
B
A
Planner
and
Staffing
order
great
that
brings
us
to
agenda
review.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda?
Yes,
we
will
not
be
doing
the
first
two
actions
for
The
Breeze
Apartments,
the
recreational
River
permit
and
investment
public
hearing.
A
A
Hello,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
come.
Talk
to
us
today
when
you're
ready,
please
introduce
yourself,
take
a.
D
Look
sure
I'm,
Mike,
Thorne
I'm,
the
superintendent
of
Public
Works,
been
in
the
position
for
about
nine
years
and
starting
in
2015.
We
learned
that
the
that
FEMA
was
looking
at
updating
their
flood
maps.
The
maps
that
are
have
been
used
for
many
decades
and
technically
are
still
in
use
now
were
developed
in
1981.
D
in
2015,
FEMA
held
a
number
of
meetings
with
the
community,
notifying
that
they
would
be
upgrading
the
maps
about
the
same
time,
I
put
together
a
group
to
look
at
the
flooding
study.
We
wanted
to
get
a
little
bit
ahead
of
FEMA,
and
so
we
put
together
a
working
group
and
we
hired
the
USGS
to
do
the
flood
modeling
for
us
once
that
model
was
done.
D
We
hired
Barton
and
legitis
to
prepare
a
local
flood
Hazard
analysis
report,
which
showed
not
only
the
100
year
flood
risk
to
the
city
of
Ithaca,
but
also
to
evaluate
and
Screen
some
of
the
mitigation
options
that
had
the
highest
cost
benefit
ratio,
the
most
feasible
the
most
doable
solutions
that
we
had
for
the
city.
D
So
that
report
was
issued
in
February
of
2020
right
before
covid
hit,
and
we
had
several
public
presentations
showing
the
results
of
our
findings
with
the
intent
that
we
would
start
to
pursue
large
grants
in
order
to
design
and
build
whatever
flood
mitigations
were
recommended
in
the
report.
D
So
in
2021,
Tompkins
County
had
updated
their
Hazard
material
or
Hazard
mitigation
plan,
so
that
was
one
of
the
key
pieces
that
needed
to
be
done
before
we
could
even
start
to
apply
for
FEMA
grants.
Fema
requires
that
if
you
apply
for
any
Hazard
mitigation
funding
that
you
that
your
community
has
an
active
Hazard,
Hazard
mitigation
plan,
I
think
I'm,
saying
that
correctly
anyway,
that
plan
was
completed
and
that
opened
the
door
for
us
to
start
applying
for
FEMA
grants.
D
Specifically
the
hmgp
grant,
which
came
out
last
April
I,
believe
we
filled
in
two
applications
for
that.
We
recently
submitted
a
brick
application,
also
through
FEMA,
and
we're
hopeful
that
we'll
win
one
of
those
three
grants.
We're
looking
at
about
a
12
million
dollar
project
and
I
will
show
some
graphics
soon.
D
D
In
the
meantime,
we
also
applied
for
a
earmark
funding
and
we
did
win
1.3
million
dollars
from
Senator
Schumer's
office
toward
this
project,
and
so
we
know
that
we
won
1.3
million
dollars.
I
just
haven't
been
able
to
access
it
yet
or
find
anybody
who
can
help
me
access
that
I
understand
we'll
be
getting
some
directions
within
the
next
month
from
Department
of
Homeland
services.
They
they
administer
all
the
of
the
FEMA
grants
for
us,
and
hopefully,
we'll
have
some
information
from
them
within
the
next
month
or
so.
D
That
process,
which
I
believe
will
take
at
least
a
year
to
go
through
it
all
anyway,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
able
to
share
my
screen
right
now,
but
I
do
have
some
some
graphics
that
might
help
describe
the
problem
and
what
our
potential
Solutions
are.
You
should
be
able
to
share
your
screen.
Is
there
any
special
instructions.
A
D
Thank
you
Lisa,
okay,
I'm
gonna
share
my
first
graphic
here.
D
So
this
is
a
map
of
the
city
of
Ithaca,
of
course,
and
what
FEMA
did
their
their
process
for
updating
flood
maps
last
February
they
issued
what
are
called
draft
maps
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
had
seen
those
draft
maps
and
a
lot
of
people
were
aware
that
yes,
they've
changed
quite
a
bit
from
the
old
1981
Maps
FEMA
just
recently
issued
what
they're
calling
preliminary
maps
and
the
date
on
the
preliminary
Maps
is
January
18th.
D
They
are
available
on
the
FEMA
website
and
I
won't
try
and
read
off
the
the
website
linked
to
you
now,
but
I
could
certainly
send
that
later
through
Nikki
or
Lisa,
but
what
what
you're?
What
you're
seeing
is
the
latest
and
greatest?
And
so
you
can
see
this
is
the
city
of
Ithaca.
Of
course
it
takes
a
minute
to
refresh
a
little
bit
and
then
I
can
I
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
D
But
what
you're
seeing
is
all
of
these
areas
and
I
don't
know
how
well
the
color
is
coming
through
on
on
your
side.
But
maybe
you
can
follow
my
cursor
a
little
bit,
but
all
of
these
areas
that
are
shown
in
blue,
that
is
the
new
100
year
flood
plain,
and
so
it's
it's
quite
extensive.
There
are
also
some
other
areas
like
you
see
more
in
the
downtown
area
that
are
in
kind
of
a
brown
font
and
those
are
the
500
year
flood
areas.
D
What
we're
concerned,
mostly
with
is
the
100
year
flood
area,
because
that's
where
requirements
for
property
owners
who
have
certain
types
of
mortgage
mortgages
to
purchase
flood
insurance,
and
that
could
be
that
could
be
a
big
impact
on
a
large
portion
of
the
city,
so
I'll
zoom
in
just
a
little
bit.
This
one
is
a
little
bit
difficult
to
read.
D
The
link
that
I
can
send
out
later
will
you'll
be
able
to
actually
download
the
maps
and
they're
they're
much
clearer.
They
have
street
names
and
things
like
that
on
them.
But
for
this
purpose
you
can
see
that
quite
a
bit
of
the
city
is
is
affected
by
this
I'm,
going
to
shift
over
to
another
set
of
maps.
A
B
D
Pink
and
okay,
so
this
is
a
map
that
our
GIS
group
came
up
with
lasts
February
or
March
right
after
the
draft
Maps
were
first
issued.
So
this
is
a
really
good
illustration
of
the
difference
between
the
1981
maps
and
the
the
new
proposed
Maps.
D
What
you
see
in
that
pink
shading,
that
those
are
the
flood
boundaries
of
the
1981
Maps
and
what
our
GIS
group
did
is
they
they
put
all
of
the
affected
properties,
they
put
a
little
Green
Dot
on
them,
and
so
you
can
see,
there's
areas
of
cascadilla
Creek,
there's
a
little
section
here,
close
to
Route
13
that
gets
flooded.
Certainly
the
Southwest
area
there's
some
fairly
large
areas.
This
is
in
the
1981
map.
D
When
I
counted
up
all
the
properties
from
1981,
there
was
I
believe
a
little
bit
under
200
properties
that
were
affected
so
GIS.
They
overlaid
the
new
maps
and
that's
kind
of
in
a
yellow,
hashed
Mark
and
there's
a
lot
of
new
dots
on
there
that
don't
have
green
circles.
Those
are
the
new
properties
that
are
affected
and,
if
I
come
up
here
to
the
top,
when
I
look
at
2022,
building
type
and
I
add
all
those
numbers
up.
D
It's
I
believe
it's
close
to
1200.,
so
we've
gone
from
200
properties
that
are
affected
to
1200
properties
that
are
affected.
That's
a
big
hit.
A
lot
of
people
have
asked.
What
is
the
reason
why
why
did
the
maps
expand
so
much
over
the
last
40
years?
D
Some
of
it
is
climate
change,
but
not
so
much
I,
don't
think
our
area
gets
hit
so
much
with
climate
change
and
I
believe
Cornell.
Their
climate
Research
Center
has
also
showed
that
our
area,
as
opposed
to
other
areas
across
the
country
and
around
the
world,
aren't
going
to
be
affected
too
much
as
far
as
precipitation
totals.
D
What
I
understand
is
that
the
rain
will
come
a
little
bit
faster
and
stronger
when
it
comes,
and
so
that
of
course
presents
a
flood
risk
right.
D
There
there's
also
40
years
more
of
Stream
flow
data
between
1981
and
now,
and
so
the
all
of
the
models
that
were
developed
not
only
by
the
USGS
but
now
by
FEMA,
are
basing
their
their
flood
volumes
based
on
Stream
flow
records
and
in
1981
I
can't
remember
how
long
the
records
go
back,
but
I
do
know
that
now
we
have
40
more
years
of
records
and
so
there's
a
a
more
accurate
picture,
a
more
accurate
statistical
analysis
of
the
amount
of
water
that
flows
through
our
creeks,
so
both
FEMA
and
the
USGS
use
the
model
of
Stream
flow
rather
than
rain.
D
Rainfall
and
I
can
go
into
the
reasons
but
I'm
also
being
mindful
of
the
time
here
a
little
bit.
The
main
reason
is:
modeling
techniques
have
advanced
a
lot
in
the
old
days
in
1981,
everything
was
done
with
a
calculator
and
a
slide
rule
and
a
scale
and
a
pencil
and
doing
flood
calculations
and
hydraulic
calculations
are
very
cumbersome
in
2022.
We
have
lidar
data,
we
can
see
a
lot
more
of
the
topographic
features.
D
The
the
computer
models
have
really
Advanced
and
to
a
point
where
they're
fairly
highly
accurate.
At
this
point
they
can
really
segment
down
portions
of
the
city
and
they
look
at
Stream
flow.
Not
only
you
know
down
the
center
line
in
the
Stream,
but
also
What
flows
out
from
the
sides
when
those
streams,
overflow,
and
so
both
the
USGS
and
and
FEMA,
have
used
this
new
modeling
technique.
It's
called
two-dimensional
modeling.
D
We
have
the
ideal
Community
for
this
type
of
thing,
where
we
have
essentially
four
Creeks
coming
together
and
the
effect
of
one
Creek
overflowing
and
then
another
Creek
overflowing,
and
then
a
third
Creek
overflowing
all
gets
shown
in
these
Maps.
So
we
we
feel
like
we
have
the
most
accurate
mapping
available.
D
The
FEMA
Maps,
as
I
said
before,
are
very
close
to
the
maps
that
the
USGS
came
up
with,
and
so
we
feel
like
the
the
proposed
mitigation
work
or
yeah.
The
proposed
mitigation
techniques
that
we
want
to
use
are
gonna.
They
were
valid
on
the
USGS
models,
were
pretty
certain
they're,
also
going
to
be
valid
on
the
on
the
FEMA
models.
D
So
let
me
switch
to
another
and
I,
don't
know
if
I
need
to
close
out
or
if
I
can
just
switch
over.
Do
you
see
another?
Do
you
see
a
different
map?
Yeah.
D
So
I
want
to
show
a
series
of
maps
and
going
from
left
to
right
and
I'm
going
to
use
the
USGS
maps
because
that's
what
we
modeled
our
mitigation
measures
on,
but
again
it's
they're
going
to
be
close.
We
will
do
go
through
this
exercise
on
the
FEMA
models
to
make
sure
that
FEMA
is
in
agreement
with
what
we
propose
that
we're
using
their
data
and
not
the
USGS
data.
D
Essentially,
the
data
is
the
same.
Fema
puts
in
I
think
they're
a
little
bit
more
conservative
than
the
USGS,
so
those
are
going
to
be
the
differences,
but
anyway,
on
the
left.
This
is
what
the
USGS
came
up
with,
with
the
flood
risk
for
the
city,
and
this
is
the
100
year.
Flood
risk
and
all
those
areas
in
blue
are
would
be
inundated
during
a
hundred
year
event.
D
Again,
this
matches
pretty
closely
with
the
FEMA
Model
A
couple
of
differences.
The
FEMA
model
shows
a
lot
more
flooding
in
the
South.
You
know
near
the
Home
Depot
and
the
Levee
and
Southwest
Park.
The
reason
for
that
is
FEMA
anticipated
that
the
levy
that
is
currently
there
right
now
next
to
Home
Depot
would
break
and
USGS
did
not.
D
We,
we
didn't
know
that
that
was
a
thing
that
FEMA
would
be
concerned
with,
but
ever
since
Katrina
and
some
other
major
floods
that
have
happened
in
the
U.S
FEMA
is
they're
starting
to
look
at
levees
more
closely,
and
in
these
preliminary
Maps
they
say:
okay,
yes,
you
have
a
levy
there,
we're
going
to
assume
some
of
it
breaks.
D
D
D
So
you
know
we
talk
about
dredging
a
lot
and
we
need
dredging
to
be
done
not
only
for
flood
control
but
for
navigation
purposes,
but
from
a
flood
control
standpoint.
Just
dredging
the
inlet
alone
doesn't
give
us
a
lot
of
relief
to
the
rest
of
the
city.
D
The
next
picture
over
the
third
one
is
which
I've
labeled
mitigation
from
flood
walls.
All
of
that
red
area
that
you
see
you
know
that's
closer
into
downtown.
D
That's
the
project
that
I'm
proposing
with
these
brick
grants
and
hmgp
grants,
and
what
that
involves
is.
It
involves
increasing
the
channel
capacity
of
Six,
Mile,
Creek,
cascadilla,
Creek
and
Fall
Creek,
and
to
do
that.
What
we
found
in
the
in
the
local
flood
Hazard
analysis,
but
we'll
certainly
look
at
this.
Some
more
is
putting
up
flood
barriers
along
the
creeks
in
those
areas
and
if
we
did
nothing
but
put
flood
barriers
up,
we
get
quite
a
bit
of
mitigation.
D
All
those
areas
you
see
in
red,
that's
mitigated
areas
because
there's
so
many
properties
included
in
that
there's.
A
very
high
benefit
to
cost
ratio
which
FEMA
looks
at
when
they
start
handing
out
grants.
So
we
we
have
a
good,
solid
project
there.
D
The
picture
on
the
right
essentially
shows
the
flood
mitigation
that
will
occur
if
the
channel
is
dredged
and
we
put
up
flood
walls
throughout
the
city,
and
you
can
see
that
most
of
the
city,
in
fact,
if
certainly
99
or
more
of
the
city,
would
have
flood
mitigation
doing
those
two
projects
alone.
D
Dredging
the
inlet
is
a
little
bit
out
of
our
hands.
It's
cut,
it's
a
DEC
project,
they're,
going
back
and
forth
with
the
Corps
of
Engineers
on
finding
money
and
determining
how
much
how
much
actually
needs
to
be
dredged
in
order
to
not
only
provide
navigation
but
also
to
provide
enough
relief,
provide
flood
control.
D
D
You
know
when
I,
when
I
start
saying
we're
probably
going
to
need
flood
walls
along
some
of
the
Creeks
or
or
raising
the
berms,
if,
if
possible,
What's
the
magnitude
that
we're
looking
at-
and
so
you
can
see
at
the
bottom
here
along
Six,
Mile
Creek
there's
certain
areas
where
the
wall
might
be
six
and
a
half
feet
tall.
D
These
are
in
neighborhoods.
We
all
know
this
area
along
Six,
Mile,
Creek.
The
wall
Heights
can
be
quite
High.
D
Looking
at
the
FEMA
data,
the
walls
will
probably
have
to
extend
up
a
little
further
up:
Six
Mile
Creek
up
more
toward
the
Aurora
Street
bridge,
and
so
that's
something
that
will
be
done
when
we
get
into
design
we'll
we'll
re-look
at
the
FEMA
models
and
really
make
sure
that
we're
closing
all
the
gaps
you
know
and
making
sure
that
we
can
keep
the
flood
waters
contained
within
the
creeks
and
not
let
it
spill
out
into
the
neighborhoods
cascadilla
Creek,
not
so
extreme,
a
couple
areas
two
and
a
half
feet
the
added
benefit
on
cascadilla
Creek.
D
D
The
last
Creek
we'll
look
at
scroll
up
a
little
bit.
This
is
Fall
Creek
between
between
Route
13
and
Lake
Street
right
next
to
the
high
school.
D
We
have
levees
there
right
now,
but
the
levees
are
in
bad
shape
and
what
I
want
to
do
is
get
those
levees
fixed
if,
if
we're
getting
money
from
FEMA
or
if
we
win,
one
of
these
grants
from
FEMA
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
levees
are
certified
and
that
we
can
take
care
of
erosion
problems
that
we're
seeing
along
those
creeks
or
along
I'm.
Sorry,
along
that
Creek
along
those
levees.
D
So
that's
kind
of
the
mitigation
that
we're
looking
at
that
that's
within
the
city's
control
I
do
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
I
recognize
that
Creek
walls
going
through
the
middle
of
residential
neighborhoods
are
going
to
change
the
way
that
these
neighborhoods
look
and
while
I
think
neighbors
will
appreciate
that
they're
getting
flood
control
they're,
also
not
going
to
appreciate
a
big
ugly
wall
next
to
their
house.
D
So
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we're
planning
on
doing
once
we
are
able
to
start
design
work,
is
to
see
what
we
can
do
about.
Turning
these,
these
three
projects
on
Fall,
Creek,
cascadilla
and
Six
Mile
Creek
into
some
sort
of
an
amenity.
You
know
to
not
only
provide
flood
control,
but
what
else
could
we
do?
How
could
we
make
these
walls
not
only
functional
but
aesthetically
pleasing
or
you
know,
is
there
a
way
to
turn
these
into?
You
know
improve
a
trail
system.
D
Those
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
look
at
on
some
of
these,
it's
easier
than
others,
I
think
Six,
Mile
Creek
is
going
to
be
the
most
challenging
up
near
Fall
Creek,
for
example.
We
know
that
a
lot
of
people
walk
on
the
Levee
and
it's
a
nice
Trail
certainly
want
to
see
some
interesting
ideas
for
what
we
could
do
there
while
we're.
While
we're
you
know,
protecting
the
the
neighborhoods
from
flooding.
D
So
there
is
a
group
from
there's
a
class
at
Cornell
right
now
and
their
class
project
and
they've
seen
all
these
graphics
and
the
class
project
is
what
sort
of
interesting
ideas
are
there
out
there
again
right
now:
I'm
I'm
thinking
functionality,
but
certainly
I'm
glad
that
a
lot
of
students
in
this
landscape
architecture
class
are
putting
their
thinking
caps
on
and
seeing
what
what
ideas
that
they
can
come
up
with.
D
We
gave
the
group
some
direction
that
one
whatever
we
do
needs
to
be
affordable
and
number
two.
It
needs
to
be
needs
to
pass
muster
with
FEMA.
D
Ultimately,
what
we
want
to
do
is
be
able
to
put
these
mitigation
measures
in
and
go
and
petition
FEMA
for
a
letter
of
map
revision,
which
is
what
will
reduce
those
flood
boundaries
on
their
maps
and
ultimately
reduce
the
flood
insurance
requirement
for
a
large
number
of
properties
in
the
city.
So
I
think
I've
probably
gone
way
over
my
time.
But
if
there's
anybody
who
has
any
questions
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them
as
best
I
can.
D
A
You
very
much
that
was
very
educational.
Any
questions.
A
D
As
I
said,
we're
probably
going
to
have
about
one
year's
worth
of
design
work.
D
I
think
you
know
we
we
do
want
whatever
is
done,
whatever
treatments
are
done,
not
only
to
be
accepted
by
the
city
and
especially
those
neighborhoods,
but
we
also
have
quite
a
bit
of
work
to
convince
FEMA
that
you
know
the
the
there's
something
called
the
conditional
letter
of
map
provision
where
what
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
is
give
this
to
FEMA
and
say
if
we
built
this
the
way
we
have
it
designed,
do
you
promise
to
change
your
flood
maps
and
then
they
will
say
yes
or
no,
and
if
they
say
no,
we
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
a
little
bit
because,
ultimately,
that's
what
we
want
to
do
is
have
the
flood
maps
change,
so
I
think
there's
going
to
be
at
least
a
year
of
design.
D
If
we
win
the
the
hmgp
or
brick
grants,
those
are
the
12
million
dollar
grants.
If
we
win
those
this
year,
we
will
certainly
start
on
design
work
this
year
and
hopefully
be
able
to
put
it
out
for
bid
in
2024
or
sometime
around
then
and
get
the
work
started.
Maybe
end
of
2024
2025.,
that's
the
best
case
scenario
working
with
grants,
especially
federal
grants.
They
don't
follow
such
a
great
timeline
and
a
lot
of
times
there's
intermediate
steps
that
will
eat
up.
D
You
know
three
months
here,
four
months
there,
so
you
know,
I
I
would
be
happy
if
we
could
get
everything
in
place
by
2026.
You
know,
realistically,
if
we
don't
win
the
FEMA
grants,
the
the
Brick
Grant
or
the
hmgp
grant.
We
can
still
make
quite
a
bit
of
progress
this
year
and
that's
what
I'm
hoping
to
do.
A
Yeah
thanks
very
much
Mike.
That
was
really
informative,
really
appreciate
the
clear
presentation
and
all
the
information
you
shared.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask,
is
you
know
if
you
could
keep
the
funding
border
prize
of
the
progress,
and
you
know
design
happens
to
to
bring
the
project
to
us
occasionally,
so
we
can
see
it
and
comment
on
it
as
opposed
to
bring
it
after
it's
done.
A
You
know
we
do
talk
a
lot
about
public
space
and
and
some
of
the
issues
that
you
brought
up
earlier
in
terms
of
neighborhoods
and
how
they
look
and
feel
on
it.
This
is
a
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
impact.
It
sounds
like
it's
needed,
but
we
definitely
appreciate.
A
Thanks
very
much
Mike
really
interesting.
Scientists
have
two
comments,
questions
the
first.
It
just
really
a
request
for
future
information,
but
to
me,
you'd
be
really
interesting
to
see
if
the
house
right
now
is
not
in
the
100
year,
flood
plain
and
it
becomes
the
100
year
flood
plan.
Then
I
presume
that
there's
a
renewable
mortgage,
then
the
flood
insurance
requirement
kicks
in
and
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
what
what
are
the
numbers
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
that
so
like?
A
How
much
does
it
cost
to
get
flood
insurance
for
a
thousand
dollars
of
assessed
value
of
real
estate?
And
then
you
can
multiply
that
out
and
figure
out.
What's
going
to
be
the
flood
insurance
bill
for
that
whole
area
and
then
weigh
that
I
mean?
Maybe
you've
done
this
already.
The
way
that
against
the
cost
of
various
mitigation
schemes-
and
it
needs
to
be
very
interesting-
cost
benefit
analysis
that
could
be
done
done
there
like
Pages,
you
can
see.
The
second
thing
is
just
I
was
just
at
the
cable.
A
You
know
the
high
school
a
couple
hours
ago
and
when
you
say
that
the
leggings
are
in
good
shape,
the
levy
is
literally
above
the
high
school
and
I
I'm.
Just
wondering
you
know
how
not
good
shape
are
those
levees
and
is
this
something
the
school
district
needs
to
know
about,
because
that
lady
is
in
the
high
school's
going
to
be
underwater.
D
Sure
so
let
me
I'll
I'll
try
my
best
on
the
first
question.
I,
don't
know
anything
about
flood
insurance
and
I.
Get
asked
questions
about
that.
All
the
time
the
the
Cornell
class
they're,
looking
into
answering
that
question
and
hopefully
be
able
to
you
know,
boil
it
down
to
something
that
the
average
homeowner
or
business
owner
can
understand.
I
also
know
that
Tompkins
County
has
also
submitted
a
brick
grant
for
education
and
what
their
plan
is
if
they
get.
D
This
funding
is
to
be
able
to
have
materials
to
pass
out
to
homeowners,
and
you
know
to
have
public
presentations
and
question
and
answer
periods
and
I
will
be
there
probably
raising
my
hand
a
lot
too,
because
I
don't
understand
it,
but
it
is
being
worked
on
and
it's
a
it's
a
very,
very
important
question.
A
B
D
Yes,
so
so
one
of
the
so
the
levy,
the
FEMA
has
some
pretty
strict
requirements
for
levees
right
now.
In
fact,
the
levy
that
we're
taking
care
of
that
FEMA
says
is
going
to
fail
even
heard
they
modeled.
That
would
fail.
We
take
pretty
good
care
of
you
know.
We.
D
And
so,
if
you
look
at
the
the
levees
they're
on
Fall
Creek
by
the
high
school
they've
got
tons
of
large
trees
in
them
they
were
probably
put
together
a
long
time
ago
and
they
served
their
function,
but
I,
don't
think
FEMA
or
the
Corps
of
Engineers
or
anybody
else
would
take
a
look
at
them
and
say:
yes,
these
are
good,
solid
levies,
so,
while
they're
functional
right
now,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
50
years
from
now
that
they're
still
functional
you
know
and
on
the
south
side
of
the
Levee
closest
to
the
homes.
D
In
fact,
it
runs
through
some
people's
backyards.
You
can
see
quite
a
bit
of
erosion
taking
place
and
that
erosion
has
been
there
for
years.
So
I
don't
think
it's
in
any
I.
Don't
think
it's
going
to
fail.
You
know
this
year
or
next
year,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
we
need
to
pay
attention
to
like
I
say
if
we're
getting.
If
we
get
these
grants,
let's
fix
them
and
we'll
we'll
fix
them
right.
So
I.
A
Saw
a
Nikki
fan,
no
I
didn't
see,
Nikki's
hand,
Lisa
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much
Mike.
So
I
think
you
know.
I
just
want
to
say
that
this
board,
maybe
without
knowing
all
of
this
I,
think
you
are
seeing
the
impact
of
it
because
we're
having
projects
that
are
running
in
now
that
are
being
required
by
their
bank
or
whoever
to
design
to
these
new
flood
maps
and
that's
causing
a
urban
design
issue,
and
we
are
just
starting
to
Grapple
with
that
and
that's
going
to
continue.
You
know,
like
you
know,
Mike
said
so.
A
Maybe
this
project
is
built
in
2026.
We
still
have
three
years
of
development.
We've
known
more
projects
are
going
to
come
back,
they're
going
to
be
projects
that
have
been
designed
are
going
to
come
back
and,
and
you
know
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
the
same
solutions
that
we've
seen
some
of
the
other
projects
parking
on
the
ground
floor
or
being
raised
up
above
you
know,
and
so
it's
a
it's
an
urban.
You
know
temporary
Urban
Design
issue
that
we
really
haven't
we're
just
starting
to
Grapple
with
it
now.
D
Yeah
and
thanks
Lisa
for
reminding
me
of
that,
there
is
a
very
strange
period
of
time
where
you
know
between
the,
where
the
regulatory
maps
from
1981
stop
in
the
new
maps
start
and
when
we
can
change
those
new
maps.
D
One
other
question
that
we
get
asked
a
lot
is
well
can't
FEMA
just
hold
off
and
it's
a
great
question
and
we've
talked
to
FEMA
multiple
times
about
you
know,
look
the
maps
are
already
42
years
old.
Does
it
matter
if
they're
45
years
old-
and
you
know
that's
the
argument-
we've
been
making
and
we've.
You
know
made
our
case
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
disruptive
three
years
to
not
only
you
know,
homeowners,
but
business
owners,
and-
and
you
know
how,
how
do
you?
D
A
B
A
Should
one
of
the
groups
of
students
should
do
is
look
at
ways
that
you
could
build
to
accommodate
these
new
blood
maps
that
could
then
be
reversed.
Is
there
any
architectural
information
you
can
do
where
you
could
then
change
it?
You
know
how
do
you,
how
do
you
convert?
Are
you
going
to
convert
underground
part?
How
can
you
build
underground
partnership
or
ground
level
parts
then
be
converted
into
something
that
looks
nicer,
something
like
that.
So
I
don't
know.
A
To
get
that
done
and
this
notion
that
it's
out
of
the
city's
hand,
because
it's
in
DC
and
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
hands
like
hopefully
there's
a
way
to
encourage
that
you
know
make
that
happen
through
you
know
I
know,
there's
lots
of
federal
under
structure
dollars
and
money.
They
run
infrastructure
we've
seen
that
that's
a
perfect
kind
of
project
to
to
apply
it
to
well.
We've
certainly
put
on
as
much
pressure
as
we
can,
and
you
know
we're
hoping
that
they
will
dredge
next
year.
A
But
whatever
pressure
on
when
we
get
well,
yeah
saw
your
head,
yeah
I'll,
just
say
too
that
what
FEMA
recommends
as
mitigations
for
buildings
is
not
necessarily
the
best
for
building
science.
You
know
they
recommend
these
floodgates,
which
allow
the
water
to
pass
through
and
equalize
hydrostatic
pressure,
but
then
the
building
is
wet
and
that
creates
sort
of
a
moisture
control
issue.
A
So
it's
also
a
code
issue
and
a
planning
issue,
but
dealing
with
these
three
years
and
understanding
how
to
not
let
old
people
things
take
over
in
terms
of
code
requirements.
Foreign
I
think
everyone
in
this
room
got
a
lot
out
of
it.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
here.
I'm
scared
of
those
Heights
along
City
mile
Division
I,
know
what
that's
going
to
mean
for
that
neighborhood,
which
is
my
neighborhood.
A
So
of
course
it's
the
most
important
but
yeah
I
mean
you
know
any
imagination
that
you
could
bring
to
that
and
the
other
solutions
that
you're
looking
at
you
know
we're
certainly
appreciated,
and
we
of
course,
would
appreciate
being
kept
in
the
loop,
because
those
development
I
feel
like
it
can
be
designed.
D
Yeah
and
Lisa
and
I
have
been
working
on
this
together
for
years
and
years,
so
Lisa
will
we
we
talk
a
lot.
D
The
other
thing
is
on
this
Cornell
class
I
think
they
plan
on
showing
kind
of
a
poster
board
presentation
at
the
library,
middle
of
May
or
end
of
May,
and
you
know
right
now:
it's
just
an
idea
generating
exercise,
and
you
know
it
won't
be
anything
that
the
city
endorses,
but
we're
certainly
glad
that
they'll
be
able
to
start
generating
some
ideas
that
might
gain
traction
later.
So
certainly
I
think
the
this
board
would
probably
want
to
go
to
that
as
well.
Thank.
A
That
brings
us
to
approval
of
minutes
for
November.
Is
there
a
motion
who
said
minutes
which
are
a
year
back
I
see
Emily
move?
Is
there
a
second
15
minutes?
Second,
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
was
going
to
do
a
raise
of
hands
passive
unanimously.
That
brings
us
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak
or
Lord?
A
Are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who
have
asked
to
speak
remotely?
No,
are
there
any
members
of
the
public
who've
submitted
comments
to
be
read
all
right.
The
privilege
of
the
four
is
now
closed,
we'll
skip
or
responding
to
public
comment
and
go
straight
into
site
plan.
Review
first
up
is
a
407
Cliff
Street.
A
E
Good
evening,
bro,
are
we
waiting
on
anywhere
else
link
and
Noah
are
probably
on.
If
you
haven't,
let
him
in
already.
E
Be
but
yeah
so
I'll
be
doing
a
short
presentation
just
on
our
changes
at
Cliff
Street
and
then
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
E
Oh
yeah,
I'm,
I'm,
Craig
from
stream
collaborative
and
Noah
Demarest
is
also
here
from
stream
collaborative
or
the
Architecture
Firm
working
on
Cliff
Street,
just
as
a
reminder,
I
guess
for
anybody
that
maybe
wasn't
on
the
board
at
the
time
it
went
through
a
whole
PUD
process
and
site
plan
review,
so
the
zonings
changed
for
this
particular
site
and
was
approved
and
now
we're
showing
some
proposed
changes
and
I'll
pull
them
up
here.
E
So
this
was
the
one
of
the
original
site
plans,
maps
that
was
originally
approved,
the
gray
area
over
here
being
the
main
building
on
the
site,
but
north
of
the
north
parking
lot
area.
We
had
two
conceptual
Cottages
proposed
for
that
area.
E
E
So
it's
three
stories:
two
units
per
floor,
three
stories:
one
billion
north
side
of
the
parking
lot
set
back
a
bit
more
from
the
street,
but
still
kind
of
buffering
the
the
house
next
door
from
the
parking
area
and
sort
of
using
it
also
as
a
transition
from
the
main
building
kind
of
a
more
you
know:
adaptive,
reusive
and
industrial
building
to
the
neighborhood.
E
So
we
will
be
using
a
lot
of
the
same
materiality
of
the
exterior
on
the
exterior
materials
that
we're
using
on
the
main
building.
But
let
me
scroll
down
and
see
you
can
see
the
floor
plans.
Let
me
shrink
them
a
little
bit
so
two
units
per
floor
very
similar,
first
and
second
floor
third
floor.
We
kind
of
shrunk
a
little
bit
to
try
and
tuck
it
under
the
roof
and
I'll
show
you
in
the
and
the
elevation
we
kind
of
tried
to
tuck
that
third
floor
under
the
roof.
E
A
bit
to
the
right
of
the
screen
is
the
street
side.
So
this
is
the
north
elevation.
The
left
side
would
be
the
hillside.
So
that's
where
we
have
the
decks
for
each
of
the
units,
so
they
can
take
advantage
of
the
views
that
that
are
available,
but
from
the
street
side
we're
trying
to
bring
down
the
eve
and
have
it
not
feel
like
that,
such
a
big
building?
E
Have
it
be
a
lot
more,
you
know,
feel
and
be
a
similar
size
to
you
know
the
red
other
residences
in
the
area
and
again,
probably
metal
paneling
on
the
upper
floors.
E
Probably
wood
siding
on
the
first
floor
again
using
the
same
materials
that
we're
planning
on
using
for
the
main
building,
that
is,
they
are
going
through
a
little
bit
of
a
pricing
exercise
now
just
to
finalize
what
those
materials
you
know
ultimately
are,
but
most
likely
it's
some
sort
of
wood,
siding
on
the
first
floor,
metal
siding
up
above
and
I'll
show
you.
Let
me
see
another
elevation.
E
This
would
be
from
the
street
side
so
again
bringing
the
roofing
down
as
much
as
we
could
to
kind
of
lower
around
the
building
as
much
as
possible
to
kind
of
give
it
more
of
a
residential
feel.
Have
it
be
a
little
bit
more
transitional
from
the
larger
building
on
site
to
the
the
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
and
kind
of
give
it
a
little
bit
more
of
a
you
know,
a
Housey
type,
look
to
it
as
well,
with
porches
and
integrating
whatnot.
E
That
is,
let
me
see,
I
can
scroll
down
and
give
you
some
other
elevations.
This
would
be
on
the
hillside.
So
it's
the
east
side
of
the
building
and
then
again
the
South
Side
being
very
similar
to
the
north.
E
And
that's
I
mean
that's
pretty
much.
What
we
have
it's.
It
meets
all
the
existing
zoning
they
recreated
through
the
Pud,
but
setbacks
and
everything
else
height
restrictions.
All
of
that
meets
the
current
zoning.
We
have
no
problems
with
meeting
the
parking
demand
and
yeah.
So
that's
what
the
owners
and
stream
are
currently
presenting
as
an
option.
C
E
C
I
can
jump
in
just
one
other
thing
just
from
program
point
of
view,
I
think
the
the
intent
here
is
that
there
is
a
strong
relationship
between
the
the
main
building,
the
407
Cliff
Street,
and
what
we're
calling
501
Cliff
Street,
because
there
is
a
hotel
component
to
the
main
building
and
there
would
be
on
the
ground
level,
two
hotel
rooms
and
then
the
upper
floors
would
be
long-term.
Rentals.
C
So
I
think
that
the
intent
here
is
that
it
has
more
of
a
campus
feeling
that
these
buildings
relate
to
each
other
and
as
as
Craig
pointed
out,
you
know
it's
transitional.
We
wanted
to
be
residential
feeling,
but
the
materials
are
really
important.
I
think
that
and
the
sort
of
just
the
experience
of
the
two
buildings
they
relate
to
each
other
in
a
in
a
strong
way
because
they
are
operationally
related
as
well.
A
Think
of
that,
let's
do
comments
from
board
yourself.
Mitch
can
I
start
with
you
yeah
thanks
guys.
It
looks
interesting.
I
just
do
things
that
were
on
my
mind,
as
I
heard,
the
pigmentation
one
is
wondering
if
you
can
put
solar
on
that
west
facing
route.
A
It
would
be
great
if
this
building,
you
know
certain
kind
of
sustainability
vibe
to
it,
to
give
something
back
to
the
neighborhood.
So
it's
not
just
building
a
market
like
minutes
there
for
that
purpose,
but
you
know
really
trying
to
drive
that
in
a
sustainable
way.
As
a
question,
can
you
know
the
other
part
of
it?
Is
you
know
now
that
I
say
that
combined
site
plan
with
a
parking
lot
and
the
name
of
it?
You
said
there
is
no
problem,
meaning
the
demand
for
parking.
A
Can
we
make
that
it's
like
100
foot
long
parking
field?
Could
we
make
that
smaller?
Can
you
add
a
tree
three
beds
to
that
to
really
make
that
a
lot
nicer?
It
looks
like
a
big
kind
of
bathroom
compartment.
There.
C
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
Craig
might
be
able
to
answer
the
actual
counts.
We
might
have
one
or
two
parking
spaces
to
spare.
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
mean
the
nice
thing
about
the
parking
is
the
mature
trees
along
the
street.
Trees
are
already
there.
You
know
it's
really
mature
canopy
and,
as
you
drive
by
it
today
today,
it's
pretty
well
landscaped
I
mean
I.
C
Suppose
we
can
enhance
that
sort
of
planted
area
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
parking,
but
it
is
fairly
invisible
as
you
drive
by
it
today.
C
A
E
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
It
may
be
hard
to
see
because
it
it
all
Blends
in
with
the
green,
but
there's
there's
a
lot
of
Hedgerow
right
along
here.
That's
actually
an
understory
for
the
trees
because
they
are
larger,
so
yeah.
The
parking
lot
is
pretty
well
masked,
as
is
but
yes,
some
pictures
would
be
a
good
idea
and
as
far
as
the
count
yeah
I
think
I
overstated,
I
mean
I,
think
we
have
67
parking
spaces
and
right
now
our
current
demand
is
fifth
is
65.
So
we
have
a
couple
extra.
E
You
know
in
reality,
I
think,
what's
required
by
code
is
not
necessarily
what's
going
to
be
needed
on
a
daily
basis.
So
you
know
in
my
head:
we've
got
plenty
of
parking,
but
zoning
wise.
You
know:
we've
got
two
Extra
Spaces.
C
A
A
Good,
not
a
lot
of
comments,
I'm
just
trying
to
remember
back
when
we
went
over
this
if
I
recall,
I
think
there
may
be
some
date
markers
as
part
of
the
programmatic
use
of
the
fielding,
and
it's
always
nice
to
see
shared
parking
where
you
have
residents
in
the
department
night
and
and
staff
members
of
my
partner
in
the
day,
so
I
just
always
a
good
idea.
A
C
They're,
really
just
rentals
and
I
will
say:
I
I
shouldn't
speak
for
the
developers
directly,
but
the
one
advantage
to
this
six
unit
building
design
is
that
it's
a
single
exit
building,
there's
no
elevator.
Essentially
it's
a
three-story
walk-up,
so
there's
some
benefits.
Obviously,
you've
got
a
location
that
has
fantastic
views
and
things
like
that.
But
at
the
same
time
it
is
it
it's
not
a
luxury
apartment,
it
is
market
rate,
but
probably
on
the
lower
end
of
the
market
without
being
affordable
housing.
E
I
think
I
think
link
is
in
a
waiting
room
or
somewhere
trying
to
get
in
to
the
meeting.
So
he
could
answer
this
a
little
bit
better
and
but
I
I
think
that
meant
I
think
the
idea
is
to
provide
you
know,
sort
of
workhouse
or
Workforce
housing
on
site,
so
that
people
that
are
working
at
some
of
the
hospitality
can
also
live
there
too.
E
At
the
same
time,
you
can't
force
people
to
live
somewhere,
so
you
know
providing
it
having
available.
I
think
is
a
great
option
and,
and
hopefully
incentivizes
people
to
take
advantage
of
it.
C
A
Makes
sense
yeah,
thank
you.
Emily
thanks,
I
think
I'd
refer
this
to
the
other
small
Cottages
I
feel
like
this
fits
the
city
needs
better
and
as
density
close
to
town
so
and
I.
Think
looking
at
the
neighbors
three
stories
now
to
two
stories,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It
looks
like
you're,
taking
away
some
of
the
pine
trees
that
buffer
between
the
North
neighbor
right
I.
Guess
you
have
to.
C
Yeah,
there's
one
that
has
to
go
there's
a.
We
are
taking
the
trees
that
are
marked
in
red,
there's,
one
that
has
to
go,
but
obviously
we're
adding
some
plantings
back
to
restore
some
of
that
as
well.
A
I,
don't
have
much
more
I
mean
it's
important,
I
think
it's
a
good,
a
good
location,
anything
for
sad
music
comments,
yeah,
so
I
would
be
I
think
that
we
both
mentioned
that
you
want
to
make
these
buildings
look
like
a
complete.
You
know
an
ensemble
with
the
built,
the
industrial
former
industrial
building,
this
building
and
so
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
see
that
in
the
visualization,
how
they
would
look,
how
they
would
work
together
and
I
would
be
more.
A
I
would
be
more
interested
in
seeing
this
building
be
compatible
with
the
residential
character,
that's
just
to
the
north
of
it
rather
than
the
industrial
building,
because
it's
right
on
me
and
this
PUD
was
approved
by
Council,
based
on
a
cyclone
that
had
two
small
cabins
that
were
very,
very
small-scale,
residential
and
I'm
sure
at
the
time
that
would
have
come
up
as
a
thing,
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
see
what
this
looks
like
on
the
street
with
the
building
next
to
it,
and
you
know
how
to
make
that
more
compatible
then,
and
can
you
move
this
building,
so
you
don't
have
to
take
down
all
those
trees?
A
Can
you
scooch
it
over?
Can
you
bring
It
Forward
Can?
Is
there
some
way
you
could
lay
this
up,
so
you
don't
have
to
take
down
breeds
that
for
it,
and
you
know
we'll
hear
from
them
during
public
hearing
but
I
wonder
if
you
have
reached
out
to
their
neighbors,
so
that
would
be.
My
concern
is
well,
first
of
all
to
see
the
whole
thing
as
a
one
picture
and
to
also
but
also
to
see
what
how
it
looks
with.
A
E
A
So
that
was
also
part
of
the
Pud
I
think
was
installing
this
Trail.
You
know
that
was
one
of
the
community
benefits
I
believe
unless,
unless
that
was
removed,
I
don't
I.
Don't.
C
A
A
A
Nikki
did
you
up
here?
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
exactly
what
Lisa
said
about
that
building
to
the
north
for
sure,
I
actually
have
Google
street
up
and
it'd
be
very
interesting.
It
looks
it
looks
pretty
like
it's
gonna,
be
pretty
close
to
that
house.
So
I
think
a
streetscape
showing
that
house
the
north
would
be
fantastic
in
the
whole
street
and
that
pervula
is
you're
right.
A
It
is
pretty
hidden
with
the
trees,
but
it
still
does
seem
pretty
large
to
me
they're
over
then
it's
smaller
the
building
to
shift
over
those
trees,
yeah
and
save
the
trees.
There
might
be
three.
C
Or
something
yeah,
so
the
Shifting,
the
buildings
certainly
possible,
but
it
definitely
gets
into
I
mean
I
think
we
would
have
to
lose
at
least
four
parking
spaces
to
shift
it
over
to
to
keep
the
trees
in
order
to
actually
you
know,
stay
outside
the
canopy
of
the
trees
and
and
deal
with
the
grading.
A
Okay,
yeah
well
I
think
you've
gotten
a
suite
of
good
comments
here
from
my
own
piece,
I'll
say
that
looking
at
the
site
plan,
I
don't
see
canvas,
you
know,
I
see
these
buildings
as
being
separated
by
a
parking
lot
rather
than
being
connected
by
anything,
and
given
that
that's
the
status
quo
or
not
the
states
well,
the
state
of
the
plan,
as
we
see
it,
I
think
I
think
Lisa's
comments
about
looking
at
that
new
building
in
the
context
of
its
adjacent
neighbor
that
it
is
going
to
be
connected
to
you
know,
it
could
very
make
a
lot
of
sense
anything
else
before
we
part
ways
for
the
evening,
just
one
more
thing:
yeah,
if
it's
going
to
be
also
as
you
develop
this
you
know
how
are
the
people
staying
at
this
hotel
get
over
to
the
this
place
where
there
may
be
at
a
conference
or
something
like
that
walking
through
the
site?
A
B
B
A
F
Can
you
see
it
the
presentation?
You
can
awesome
so
good
evening?
My
name
is
Laura
Matos
Visions
chief
of
reading
officer
today,
I
have
with
me
Julia
Booker
from
vision
and
Eric
Reynolds
from
swbr,
and
we
will
present
the
latest
updates
on
the
breeze
oops,
based
on
the
PRC
and
last
planning
board.
F
We
believe
that
the
steps
towards,
like
the
final
site
plan
approval,
are
like
confirming
the
proposed
materials,
some
conversations
about
the
the
HVAC
condensers
on
the
on
that
outside
wall
and
also
representing
some
of
the
views
of
the
adjacent
properties
and
locations
that
we
took
out.
So
you
can
see
how
the
property
will
be.
The
project
will
be
seen
from
different
areas.
G
Okay,
Flora
yep,
nothing,
nothing
new
here
on
this
slide,
we're
still
proposing
the
same
materials.
Of
course,
brick
ethos,
wood,
siding
and
black
metal.
B
G
The
next
slide
here
we're
really
just
trying
to
re-emphasize
some
of
the
benefits
that
ephes
has
so
I'll.
I'll
quickly
recap
these,
but
the
fist
goes
over
an
additional
inch
of
rigid
insulation
versus
most
of
the
other
residential
siding
products
out
there.
The
design
flexibility
with
with
the
efis
is
that
we
can
create
larger
panels
or
larger
reliefs
versus
something
that
comes
shipped
to
the
site
in
a
pre-sort
of
manufactured
size
that
we're
limited
with.
G
G
Efis
now
of
the
21st
century
is
a
lot
better
than
it
used
to
be.
This
is
a
project
in
in
town
here,
215
West,
Spencer
Street,
which
is
a
similar
application
of
a
light.
Colored
stucco
you
know
I
would
encourage
anyone
who
hasn't
taken
a
look
at
this
to
have
a
look
at
that
and
see
if
the
very
similar
application
to
what
we're
doing
here
and
then
I
think
we
did.
You
know
want
to
based
on
some
feedback.
G
We
didn't
want
to
just
put
out
some
information
about
the
different
material
options
that
there
might
be
so
the
other
material
options
that
we
have,
that
we
see
as
viable
here
would
be
fiber
cement
panels
and
then
one
of
the
Plenty
board
members
asked
about
metal
panels.
So
we
did
explore
that
as
well.
G
So
you
know
just
again
two
inches
of
rigid
insulation
with
the
efis.
It's
twice
the
thermal
insulation
value,
the
greater
flexibility
in
the
panel
sizes,
which
we
feel
translates
to
a
more
contemporary
design.
We
have
on
here
that's
cost
effective,
but
I
do
want
to
serve
qualify
that
a
little
bit.
By
saying
that
you
know
it's
cost.
Effectiveness
comes
in
the
fact
that
the
labor
to
install
it
is
less
than
that
of
other
materials.
G
It's
not
because
there's
a
durability,
difference
or
anything
like
that.
It's
really
just
that
with
fiber
cement
panels
and
all
the
trim.
That's
required
similar
thing
with
metal
panels
and
all
of
those
items,
it's
just
very
labor
intensive,
so
material
wise.
G
You
know
if
this
is
is
inexpensive
as
a
material
on
the
building
because
of
the
labor
savings
and
I
think
we
had
some
metrics
on
here,
showing
you
know:
fiber
cement
panels,
121
so
more
than
twice
the
cost
and
then
metal
panels
in
the
sort
of
orientation
that
you
see
in
that
image
there,
which
is
a
relatively
cost
effective
way
to
install
metal
panels,
still
68
more
expensive
than
sort
of
a
traditional
efis.
G
So
the
other
item
that
we
want
to
talk
about
were
the
HVAC
condensers
that
are
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
last
time
about
this.
There's
not
an
opportunity
to
put
them
on
the
roof
for
this
site.
For
a
couple
of
reasons.
One
is
that,
because
of
the
Hill,
you
actually
will.
E
G
The
roof
of
this
building
from
some
Vantage
points,
potentially
so
the
roof
is
maybe
not
as
good
of
an
option
as
some
other
projects
might
be,
and
the
second
is
that
we
do
have
a
deed
restriction
on
this
property,
so
we
can't
actually
put
them
on
the
roof.
So,
looking
at
what
our
best
option
is
this
felt
like
the
best
option.
G
We
did
want
to
sort
of
reiterate
that
some
of
the
images
and
renderings
that
are
showing
are
probably
under
undervaluing
the
amount
of
foliage
and
tree
growth,
that
is,
on
the
city-owned
land,
to
the
West,
between
the
parking
lot
and
our
building,
so
that
will
do
a
good
job
of
shielding
some
of
these
mechanical
units
and
just
the
building
in
general,
from
the
street
side.
G
The
image
in
the
the
bottom
middle
kind
of
showcases
that
there
will
be
a
small
area
where,
like
we
will
be
doing
construction
activity,
so
that'll
get
pulled
back
in
red.
There
would
be.
You
know
the
proposed
plantings
that
we
are
and
going
to
be
installing
as
part
of
our
project,
to
help
Shield
some
of
those.
But
then,
as
you
move
further
back
into
both
the
you
know
further
north,
it's
certainly
going
to
fill
in
pretty
quickly
with
the
city-owned
parcel
there.
G
And
then
you
know,
as
you
can
see
in
the
upper
left
image,
it
does
break
down
a
little
bit
as
you
get
a
little
bit
further
north.
So
we
you
know,
as
as
we
are
sort
of
developing
this
whole
site
and
looking
at
everything
holistically.
We're
certainly
willing
to
you
know,
work
with
the
city
to
possibly
plant
some
additional.
G
You
know
arborvitaes
or
something
like
that
on
the
city-owned
property
that
might
continue
to
like
expand
that
green
wall,
as
if
you
will
in
the
lower
left
image
you
can
kind
of
see
in
blue,
represents
more
or
less
what's
out
there
today
and
then
in
red
might
be
something
that
we
could
help
to
get
installed
as
part
of
this
project.
It
would
be
on
the
city-owned
property.
We
don't
have
room
physically
on
our
property,
but
it
would
be
something
we'd
be
willing
to
explore
with
City
I.
G
Think
there's
just
a
couple
of
other
images
here:
yeah
the
the
upper
right
image
is
the
rendering
that
we've
shown
that
rendering
is
probably
a
little
bit
outdated
as
far
as
the
planting
design
goes,
and
certainly
the
the
HVAC
units
aren't
there.
But
I
just
wanted
to.
G
You
know
reiterate
just
behind
where
you
see
that
person
cycling
there
there's
there
would
be
a
planting
bed
with
some
taller
grasses
and
shrubs,
as
well
as
some
like
heartier
ground
level,
plantings
at
the
sidewalk
again
to
just
help
Shield
what
you
see
beyond
and
then
the
elevation
below
is
just
what
we
didn't
have
seen
before.
Yes
and
then.
Finally,
the
last
thing:
apologies
for
the
little
bit
crude
sketch
here,
but
I
think
we'll
get
the
the
picture
across
the
top
of
our
roof
is.
G
This
is
in
relation
to
some
views
from
the
adjacent
property.
The
top
of
our
roof
is
579,
and
this
is
just
relative
to
above
sea
level.
Of
course,
we
don't
quite
have
the
survey
all
the
way
up
the
hill,
but
we
do
have
a
pretty
good
Swatch.
So
the
last
topography
line
that
we
have
in
our
survey
is
578,
so
it's
virtually
the
top
of
our
roof.
G
We
did
look
and
find
some
sort
of
Open
Source
information
on
the
elevations
of
the
adjacent
properties,
up
the
hill
and
so
they're
like
plus
or
minus
585,
more
or
less.
G
We
don't
have
soup
record
information
on
that,
but
the
open
source
info
is
good
enough
and
I
think
you
know
what
we
just
trying
to
reiterate
here
is
that
you
know
you
won't
really
see
our
building
from
those
properties
unless
you
go
right
up
to
the
edge,
so
the
you
know
from
the
parking
lots
or
from
the
actually
would
be
seen
over
the
building.
There
wouldn't
be
like
this
large
building
wall
that
you're
staring
at.
G
We
do
have
a
couple
of
other
images
on
the
next
slides
here.
I
think
that
show
you
know
the
lower
image.
There
is
really
what
some
of
those
areas
look
like
today,
so.
G
You
know
that
lower
image
is
again
you're
standing
there
at
like
590.
Our
building
is
down
another
five
to
ten
feet,
like
the
top
of
our
building
is
down
another
five
to
ten
feet,
but
even
still,
it's
very
grown
in
you
probably
wouldn't
see
the
building
anyway,
but
we
did
want
to
say
you
know
just
to
put
it
all
out
there
if
you
were
to
walk
to
the
edge
of
the
property
sort
of
somehow
find
a
vantage
point
through
the
trees.
This
is
kind
of
what
you
would
see
more
or
less.
G
This
would
be
that
that
parking
lot
elevation
again
I,
don't
think
it's
very
realistic
that
this
view
is
going
to
exist
anywhere.
We
can,
of
course
create
it,
but
just
as
an
overall
view,
shed
study
those
parking
lots
and
those
decks.
Even
you
know
the
second
floor,
certainly
you'll
be
viewing
over
top
of
our
building
and
then
I
think
we
did.
The
next
couple
images
show
just
some
of
the
other
Vantage
points
that
we
had
presented
previously.
G
I
think
most
of
these
images
we'll
go
through
them.
Pretty
quick.
Most
of
these
images
show
that
the
building
isn't
highly
visible
from
many
of
the
Vantage
points
that
the
planting
board
previously
asked
us
to
look
at.
A
You
we'll
go
around
with
questions
and
comments
from
the
board
Emily.
Can
you
start
with
you.
B
A
The
salt
looks
good
I,
just
one
question
about
the
ethos
versus
the
fiber
cement.
Are
you
using
fiber
cement
for
the
high
building.
B
B
F
I
think
we
are
and
I
apologize
I
should
know
there
are
so
many
projects
that
I'm
managing
that
I
get
confused,
but
I
believe
we
are.
A
I'll
throw
my
hat
in
favor
of
the
e-fest
if
it
is
across
reduction
in
other
places
like
removing
the
brick
or
the
wood
I
think
those
are
really
important
parts
of
this
project,
and
so
ifis
goes
and
those
parts
go
as
well,
then
I'm
in
favor.
A
Thank
you
pleasure.
Thank
you.
Another
question
about
the.
Can
you
talk
about
the
Overlook
because
I
know
the
the
eec
also
saw
that
and
talked
about
that,
and
it
seemed
like
there's
a
bit
of
a
change
of
opinion
about
whether
that's
actually
going
to
happen
or
not,
and
whether
the
dollars
could
be
used
elsewhere.
A
I
guess
I
would
just
like
to
hear
more
about
that
conversation
and
what
some
of
the
Alternatives
might
be.
So
they
could
remain
on
that.
A
So
the
we
took
the
Overlook
to
planning
committee
because
it
is
city
property
and
we
wanted
to
get
their
opinion
on
Final
design,
and
anybody
can
look
at
the
conversation
on
YouTube.
The
recording
is
there.
They
had
many
concerns
about
safety
and
how
to
build
it
so
that
it
was
safe
but
also
aesthetically
pleasing,
but
basically
some
of
that
was
their
respect,
basically
their
their
concern.
So
we
haven't.
My
plan
was
to
get
together
with
Laura
and
her
design
team.
B
A
A
A
I'm,
sorry,
if
I
get
out
of
yeah
I
was
just
going
to
say,
and
then
that
is
why
this
is
a
phase
one
so
that
part
of
that
means
too
well.
It'll
come
back
okay,
but
yeah
anything
else
from
border
style
promotion
on
the
resolution.
A
Is
there
any
member
of
the
war
and
not
comfortable
with
us?
Considering
a
resolution
saying
no,
that's
my
emotion
for
the
resolution.
You
see,
Emily
move!
Is
there
a
second
I
see
Derek
a
second
moving
into
discussion.
I
know
that
Nikki
had
some
changes
in
the
resolution
because
of
what
we
just
discussed.
A
Yes,
just
two
simple
changes:
if
we're
good
on
the
second
page
were
resolved,
just
to
clarify
that
this
is
phase
one
which
includes
the
building
and
then
and
the
adjacent
site
layout
on
their
property,
so
on
your
property
and
then
so
just
adding
those
that
garbage
and
then
the
conditions
number
two
it
says
and
they
you
know:
Bible
study,
plan
approval
phase
two,
including
the
acceptance
and
the
approval
of
recreation
River
permit
by
the
city.
We
just
want
to
add
if.
A
Just
for
Hygiene
purposes
can
I
get
a
motion
to
accept.
Nikki's
proposed
amendments,
I
see,
Emily,
moved
and
met
your
second
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Yeah
Eric
is
his
only
amendment
on
the
amendment.
Yes
Mitch,
yes,
I'm.
Also
a
yes,
amendment
is
approved,
so
we
haven't
amended
resolution
before
us.
A
I
think
it's
worth
taking
a
glance
at
the
conditions
to
make
sure
we're
covered
on
the
stuff
that
we
saw
today,
specifically
the
collaboration
with
the
city
on
screening,
the
mechanical
stuff,
because,
obviously
that's
going
to
take
some
coordination
and
I
don't
know
if
we
have
anything
that
speaks
to
that
yeah.
A
Okay,
no,
please
yeah!
We
have
done
this
on
other.
You
know,
applicants
will
work
with
City
Forester.
I
A
Inappropriate
staff
to
plan
appropriate
screening
on
city
property
program,
I'm
comfortable
with
that
word,
any
other
changes
or
proposing.
You
know
any
other
proposed
amendments
to
this
resolution
before
I
vote
on
I'm.
Not
here
you
can
do
them
together.
A
Is
there
a
motion
to
support
a
an
added
condition
about
working
with
City
Forester
on
a
screening
for
releases
boarding,
I
see
Emily
move?
Is
there
a
second?
That's
even
Niche
second
quickly
through
a
world
called
vote
demolition?
Yes,
here
it
is
yes
and
I'm.
Also
a
yes!
So
that's
another
amendment,
there's
a
condition
to
work
with
the
city
Forester
on
screening
for
those
Mechanicals
anything
else
before
we
move
into
a
vote
on
Inland.
A
Stormwater
and
speed
advisory,
signage.
J
A
Final
three
little
streetscape
programs
for
pets
sidewalks
along
the
White
Street
by
the
city,
engineering,
fire
departments,
we've
added
something
or
that
covers
it-
could
that
you
could
add
and
signage
other
any
other
comments
or
concerns
of
this
city
in
Japan.
A
Emily
does
that
close
wording
on
six?
Yes
right,
so
let's
do
I
think
probably
our
last
Amendment
vote
on
that.
It's
very
motion
to
amend
condition.
Six
I
see
Emily
move.
Is
there
a
second
I
see
Garrick
II
moving
through
Volvo
Italy
here
again?
Yes,
yes
and
I'm.
Also,
yes,
anyone
not
ready
to
move
toward
the
vote
on
the
resolution
as
a
whole,
as
amended
saying
no
is
there
emotion
or
the
final
resolution
I
see?
A
F
And
I
believe
Roberta.
Our
architect
support
is
in
the
room,
fantastic.
J
Good
evening,
everyone
I'm
Julia
with
wisdom,
Development
Group
I'm,
together
with
me,
I.
B
J
Laura
Adam
Fishel,
Marathon
engineering
and
Roberto
Militello
withhold
Architects,
which
Laura
mentioned
is
physically
present
and
she'll
help
us
navigate
through
the
materiality
of
the
project.
I
will
share
my
screen,
so
we
can
start.
B
J
Okay,
so
we
understand
from
the
agenda.
We
have
five
minutes
so
we'll
try
to
move
quickly.
J
So
as
on
the
last
planning
board
meeting,
we
received
our
neck
deck
and
today,
as
we
move
towards
the
preliminary
and
potential
final
I'm
Cyclone
approval,
the
main
topics
we
would
like
to
discuss
with
you
are
the
materiality
of
the
project
and
the
landscape
and
pedestrian
experience
as
it
refers
to
the
new
walkway
beneath
the
building,
both
of
which
were
topics
that
were
arose
during
the
last
PRC
meeting.
I
will
flip
through
the
slides
and
let
Roberta
start
the
presentation
on
the
materiality.
A
They're
shown
on
the
board-
and
these
are
the
these-
are
the
thicker
cementitious
panel
that
we're
planning
on
using
on
the
front.
We
call
it
the
headpiece
the
piece
that's
on
the
corner,
that's
really
most
prominent.
What
we
think
is
going
to
be,
you
know,
need
a
little
bit
of
extra
depth,
so
we've
chosen
this
very
thick
cementitious
panels
and
if
you
put
the
samples
together
and
actually
enjoy
anyone,
you
can
really
see
how
deep
they
are.
There's
two
directions
where
going
with
or
sort
of
the
horizontal,
the
bottom.
A
That's
the
long,
no
going
plain
of
the
black
panels
on
the
Windows.
Those
were
thinking
of
the
square
Channel,
which
is
the
wide
Channel,
but
has
a
lot
of
effect.
A
Where
you
see
the
finer
lines,
those
will
be
either
the
trip
lab
or
the
nation
groups
which
have
a
really
nice.
When
you
put
them
together,
you
really
see
how
how
this
it
doesn't
show
very
well,
unfortunately,
in
the
rendering,
but
that's
a
percentage,
that's
what
you're,
seeing
within
the
pad
there's
samples
there.
A
These
are
there's
a
pretty
high
quality
panel.
We
also
have
a
second
panel
I
think
these
are
disabilities.
We
had
a.
B
A
Panel,
actually,
this
is
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
if
you're
feeling
better.
We
also
want
to
point
out
at
the
corner
that
we
have
now
reading
round
columns
instead
of
a
starting
error
columns.
A
These
are
shown
they're
24
inch.
Diameter
I
mean
if
we
might
be
able
to
send
them
down
a
little
bit
more,
but
we
really
it's.
It's
really
leads
the
structure
and
the
buyer
protection.
So
when
we
think
about
finding
the
tournament
orange
columns
there
and
I
think
they'll
give
a
lot
more
site
view.
You
know
by
not
having
orders
on
them
and
they
are
also
positioned
in
front
of
where
the
public
spaces.
So
it's
a
real
marker
for
the
public
space.
A
A
That's
at
the
private
entrance,
the
fins
were
all
very
fond
of
the
fins
we
are
looking
at
this
perforated
metal
panel,
which
we
would
paint
with
a
kind
art
finish
so
it'll
be
very
durable
finish
the
we
try
very
hard
to
get
a
sample
of
the
perforated
metal
panel,
but
it's
really
just
very
much
like
this
little
holes,
they're
quite
Lively,
and
what
I
like
about
them
when
I
saw
them
in
a
real
sample,
was
that
when
you
walk
past
some
those
little
holes
are
sort
of
transparent.
A
A
A
And
then
to
the
court,
this
is
the
the
section
of
the
building
that
is
really
along
Meadow.
It's
really
tucked
behind
a
lot
of
buildings
so
and
we
feel
that
it's
a
much
more
private
part
of
the
site.
So
for
that
part
of
the
building
we're
going
to
this
is
not
the
best
sample.
This
is
the
sample
of
the
cementitious
panel.
That's
a
little
bit
more
cost
effective
for
us.
A
We
are
going
to
use
these
colors
and
we
hope
to
use
a
combination
of
smooth
and
shift
lab
and
also
we
will
be
sort
of
expressing
the
floor
place
a
little
bit
in
that
area,
so
well
also
on
the
headpiece,
so
that
will
give
it
an
another
layer
of
another
depth.
Here's
the
transition
to
the
temperatures.
A
A
A
This
last
sample
just
is
quite
happy,
and
this
is
before
the
I
wanted
to
mention
that
the
base
the
entire
base
of
the
building,
because
we
have
a
parking
garage
underneath
we're
raising
everything
up,
we're
using
a
lot
of
either
cementation
panel
or
the
CMU.
A
This
is
a
very
cost
effective
round
round
Place
CMU,
and
they
feel
that
it'll
really
hold
up
to
the
salt,
and
you
know
the
sort
of
dirt
and
traffic
that
that
occurs
at
that
site,
and
so
that
is
what
we'll
be
using,
especially
on
some
of
the
areas
you
know
on
along
Meadow,
a
lot
of
it.
You
won't
see
because
it's
behind
other
buildings,
but
we
do
feel
it's
a
pretty
function.
Yeah.
J
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Roberta
I
will
move
to
the
next
slide
where
we
address
the
walkway
beneath
the
building
and
The
Pedestrian
experience
we're
showing
here
the
updated
landscape
plan,
which
includes
four
additional
potted
plant
Planters.
Where
I'm?
Can
you
guys
see
my
my
mouse?
J
Okay?
So
we
added
these
four
potted
Planters
seasonal,
potted
Planters
along
the
seating
area,
which
Nikki
suggested
will
help
make
the
space
feel
more
comfortable
for
the
users.
We've
also
updated
the
columns
to
the
shape
of
round,
as
mentioned
by
Roberta,
which
are
these
three
round
columns
which
will
help
soften
the
space.
J
And,
lastly,
we've
replaced
the
three
larger
tables,
with
four
smaller
tables,
with
two
chairs
each
in
an
effort
to
make
it
even
more
pedestrian
friendly,
and
we
believe
the
design
changes
will
enhance
the
public
realm
and
make
the
space
even
more
inviting
for
our
people
to
enjoy
and
walk
by
so
and
we've.
Lastly,
to
to
finalize,
we
added
this
plan
with
string
Dimensions,
as
requested
by
the
board
on
the
last
PRC
meeting,
so
you
could
get
a
better
grasp
of
dimensionality
of
the
space
and
you
should
have
a
printed
version
of
this.
J
A
Thank
you
we'll
go
around
the
room
for
a
question
of
these
comments.
Can
I
start
with
you?
I
just
wanted
to
clarifying
question
and
a
couple
of
comments
on
slide.
Eight
Julia,
you
showed
the
sidewalk
I
like
what's
happening
there
and
the
you
know
more
information
about
what
the
streetscape
experience
is
going
to
be
like
in
the
tables
and
chairs
and
the
Planters.
A
That's
all
great,
but
it
looks
like
there's
a
curve
is
extended
out
in
this
drawing
there's
a
line
along
Buffalo
Street
past
the
bollards
that
I
asked
about
last
time,
which
is
Can.
You
capture
that
space,
that's
not
used
in
the
street
that
I
think
dot
claims
is
needed
or
trucks
that
are
serving
Latin,
which
I
still
don't
understand.
So
it
seemed
like
in
this
diagram
it
sort
of
caught
my
eye
that
it
looked
like
somebody
had
drawn
that
line
in
is
that
not
happening.
B
K
Based
on
your
comments
at
the
last
month's
planning
board
meeting
or
the
PRC
meeting,
and
what
dot
asked
us
to
do
is
to
draw
in
the
curb
line
and
model
the
truck
movements
and
show
what
would
happen
if,
if
the
curb
line
would
be
bumped
out
based
on
those
truck
movements,
it
would,
it
would
have
adverse
impacts
on
eastbound,
West,
Buffalo,
Street
cars,
cued
heading
eastbound,
so
dot
and
City
engineering
have
indicated
that
they
would
not
be
in
support
of
that.
K
The
truck
the
truck
says
they
turned
left
off
of
North
Meadow
Street
onto
west
Buffalo,
heading
westbound.
The
nose
of
the
truck
would
have
to
swing
closer
to
where
those
bollards
are
in
order
to
avoid
cars.
Feud
on
West
Buffalo
heading
eastbound.
If
we
were
to
modify
the
curb
line
to
give
more
sidewalk
as
you're
asking
for
the
trucks
would
have
to
swing
closer
to
or
further
into
those
cued
stacked
spaces
on
West
Buffalo,
thereby
resulting
in
further
impacts
to
those
cars
cued
there
and
yes,.
D
K
A
Let's
see
so
I
guess
my
follow-up
comments
that
you
know
I
really
like
what's
happening
on
the
ground
floor
of
this
building,
I
think
it's
I,
think
it's
great
programmatically
to
animate
that
corner
and
bring
light
and
vitality
to
this
block
in
downtown
I.
Think
it's
right.
The
studies
being
developed
with
new
housing
and
bringing
people
closer
to
services
and
amenities
grocery
restaurants,
all
the
things
better
Street
I,
do
think.
A
There's
a
larger
conversation
about
what
North
Meadow
Street
can
become
in
the
future
along
the
stretch,
because
new
developments
coming
in
and
I
think
it
could
be
a
really
great
walkable
place
with
people
living
along
it.
But
we
have
to
have
these
conversations
with.
You
know:
people
versus
trucks
and
people
versus
cars
and
and
these
these
moments
that
that
they
Collide
and
I
just
think.
Hopefully,
we
can
move
in
a
better
Direction
and
get
more
space
for
pedestrians
in
the
future,
and
this
is
just
one
small
example
of
it.
A
I
think
you
know
for
me
again:
I,
like
the
project
and
I
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
good
for
downtown,
but
I'm
still
not
really
convinced
about
the
upper
part
of
this
building
above
the
first
floor,
I
think
it's
the
fields
monolithic
to
me.
It
feels
fairly
generic
and
flat.
It
doesn't
have
like
the
values,
but
it
doesn't
have
articulation
of
the
masking
that
I've
been
hoping
for
so
I'm,
not
against
the
project,
but
I
do
think
that
the
awkward
part
of
the
building
could
be
better
architecturally
and
I'm.
A
A
Thank
you,
Mitch
New,
York,
yeah,
and
particularly
on
kind
of
the
land
use
and
where
it
does
for
that
a
part
of
town.
We
want
to
make
Meadow
Street
less
of
a
highway
and
more
of
a
urban
Street,
and
this
is
a
good
step
in
that
direction.
I,
like
materials
I,
like
the
change
of
the
columns
from
Square
to
a
circle,
and
it's
going
to
avoid
chip
Corners.
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
thank
you.
A
For
my
own
piece,
I
feel
like
I
say
this
on
more
and
more
projects
is
everything
about
prayer
that
I
vote.
You
know
we
got
great
Skies,
we
got
great
buildings
and
it
makes
any
sense
some
look
for
it
anyway,
because
it
is
a
compelling
use.
A
compelling
spot
that
I
actually
do
think
is
fairly
interesting.
That
fin
is
too
informing.
A
You
know
the
the
fins
get
me
there
architecturally
and
then
the
the
use,
as
Mitch
pointed
out,
is
compelling
and
the
opportunity
to
change
this
neighborhood
of
Ithaca
and
activate.
It
is
compelling
any
questions
from
Border
South
comments
for
warrior
Scott.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
think
we
do
need
to
thank
you
for
this
presentation
and
the
materials
we
do
need
to
address
the
gml
letter
that
we've
sent
from
the
county
that
I
sent
to
the
applicants.
A
I,
don't
know
if
you're
prepared
for
that,
but
to
talk
a
little
bit,
especially
about
that
first
bullet
and
the
new
female
preliminary
flood
insurance
rate
Maps.
You
know
that
you're
in
the
100
Year
blood
and
how
you've
designed
this
building
to
respond
to
that
or
if
you
have
it
didn't
happen.
F
Yes,
we
can.
We
can
definitely
address
those
very
early
on
in
the
design.
We
had
very
in-depth
conversations
about
how
we
would
address
the
FEMA
changes
that
are
are
still
as
we
saw
early
on
in
the
on
at
tonight.
On
the
presentation,
it's
a
bit
unclear
how
to
direct
how
to
design
things.
F
So
a
few
steps
that
we
did
on
the
development
side
of
this
project
were
we're
already,
accounting
for
a
higher
insurance
cost
in
our
financials,
so
that
wouldn't
become
a
burden
to
someone
that
would
live
there
like
a
big
change
in
insurance,
and
we
think
that
that's
very
important
thing
to
do.
We
understand
the
risk
of
Designing
this
without
raising
the
ground
floor,
for
instance,
especially
the
commercial
space
that
could
potentially
be
one
of
the
requirements
in
the
future.
F
When
the
female
maps
are
applied,
we
think
I,
don't
know
from
our
architecture
and
Landscape
perspective.
I
think
it
would
be
a
very
tricky
move
and
that
would
impact
a
lot.
The
city
on
The
Pedestrian
experience
we're
opening
this
this
piece
of
the
ground
floor
to
make
it
more
pedestrian
friendly.
But
then
imagine
if
that
was
raised
or
I
I
don't
know
we
decided
to
design
based
on
the
current
code.
F
We
understand
the
risk
that
if
the
FEMA
maps
are
accepted
before
the
building
code
or
before
the
project
gets
approvals
or
gets
permits
that
will
need
to
Pro,
we
might
need
to
redesign
or
we
might
need
to
just
apply
this
higher
insurance
cost.
It's
still
a
bit
unclear
for
us
as
developers.
I
have
to
be
honest.
F
What
would
be
the
direction
that
we
have
to
take,
but
one
other
thing
that
we
did
and
was
selecting
materials
on
the
ground
floor
on
this
on
the
garage
and
in
the
ground
floor
that
are
more
water
resistant,
so
we're
using
the
CMU
blocks
the
concrete
things
that
would
be
way
more
durable.
F
A
The
only
other
part
of
the
GMO
letter
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
final
count
for
bikes
bike
parking,
they're,
suggesting
adding
more
the
account
they
have
is
nine.
They
don't
remember
if
that
was
the
final
count.
A
A
When
you
show
the
image
of
the
metal
panels,
I
thought
that's
kind
of
interesting.
Why
aren't
there
more
of
them
on
the
building
you
know
like?
That
could
be
something
that
could
address
some
of
the
issues,
but
you
know
when
I
see
them
all
together,
like
I
mean
obviously
that's
a
very
specific
kind
of
application
in
a
very
particular
area.
But
if
you
look
at
the
building
as
a
whole,
why
was
the
decision
made
to
use
that
amount?
It
seems
kind
of
spare
would
more
create
more
interest.
A
Just
ask
well
and
I
should
point
out
that
the
Long
window,
that
is
in
the
center
of
the
head
piece
on
the
corner,
that's
not
a
fin,
that's
actually
what
painting
inside
of
We're
recessing
the
long
windows
and
then
we're
painting
the
inside
of
the
the
window
I
we
just
didn't
want
to
block.
We
had
all
you
know
we're
side,
venting
all
our
ventilation,
it's
a
very
densely
populated
building.
So
we
didn't.
You
know
we
had
to
negotiate
on
events
and.
B
A
The
pins,
and
also
we
need
one
of
the
Box
done
from
too
many
people,
so
we
could
place
them
in
a
very
strategic
position
where
we're
sort
of
mitigating
some
sun
directs
Sun
at
certain
times
of
the
day
and
at
other
you
know,
we
didn't
want
to
block
any
of
that.
There's
also
some
restrictions
on
how
close
you
can
put
a
fin
to
a
window
and
a
vent
all
together,
so
where
you
know
it
was
basically
we
put
them
where
we
thought
they
would
be
create
a
rhythm
and
also
not
not
blocking
anybody.
A
Okay,
anything
else
from
border
stuff.
A
A
B
A
You
know
having
had
that
FEMA
presentation
before
this
conversation
I
wonder
if
there's
a
condition,
we
might
want
to
add
that
if
there
are
significant
enough
changes
based
on
FEMA's
significant,
you
know
mitigation
for
the
100
Year
blood
claim
that
it
would
come
back
to
us,
because
we
are
very
interested
in
how
the
first
floor
performs.
You
know
in
an
urban
sense,
and
so
it
it
changes
a
lot
if
it
becomes
a
lot
more
opaque
and
you
would
have
to
come
back
yeah
that
is
under
I
mean
if
their
design
change
right.
Yes,.
A
A
B
I
Hey
buddy
nice
to
see
everybody
again:
I'm
George
with
aapmi
the
architect
I've
joined
here
with
by
Frank
Santelli
from
TG
Miller
he's
been
our
civil
engineer,
consultant
and
Tony
Ewing
who's
representing
the
ownership
group
good.
B
A
Good
evening,
take
it
away:
okay,.
I
Evening,
yes,
yes,
here
we
go,
can
you
see
the
screen?
Okay,.
I
Okay,
since
we
last
spoke
We've
Incorporated.
Some
of
the
changes
that
we
had
discussed
at
the
previous
meetings
here
is
the
site
rendering
in
which
we've
Incorporated
the
new
proposed
walk
behind
the
stone
wall
on
Westbourne
Lane
and,
as
previously
discussed,
we're
terminating
it
just
before
the
60
inch
diameter
mature
Tree.
I
In
order
for
pedestrians
to
cross
over
to
access
the
other
properties
on
Westborn,
we've
Incorporated,
the
new,
the
new
ADA
Compliant
curves
and
ramps,
a
walkway
to
the
property
we
have
Megan
Wilson
from
zoning
has
conducted
a
review.
Another
change
that
we've
done.
I
We
have
reduced
the
patio
on
the
north
side
of
the
house,
so
that
is
just
south
of
the
setback
line
and
per
Megan's
emails.
She
stated
that
there's
no,
there
are
no
no
variances
required
on
this
project
and
I
will
Frank
I
will
pass
this
off
to
you,
so
you
can
update
us
on
on
our
conversations
with
The
Villages
DPW
Department
regarding
the
sidewalk
and
also
the
rain
Garden,
the
retention
Garden.
I
H
Yeah
thanks
George,
so
we've
got
a
draft
Basics
web.
The
the
area
of
disturbance
is
currently
at
0.9
Acres,
so
we're
not
necessarily
required
to
submit
a
notice
of
intent
under
the
state
permit.
So
this
this
falls
under
the
city,
storm
water
law
and
codes,
and
so
we've
we've
provided
a
basic
swept
to
Matt
slugeski
who's,
the
city
stormwater
officer,
and
also
to
Brent
Cross,
the
village
of
Hugo
Heights.
H
H
So
if
you
want
to
get
into
more
detail
I
can
you
could
go
to
the
erosion
sediment
control,
George
and
if
you
can
zoom
in
on
the
calculations
at
the
bottom
right,
I
can
I
don't
know.
If
folks
are
going
to
be
able
to
see
this,
so
we've
got
about
nine.
Nine
tenths
of
an
acre
of
impervious
or
of
disturbance.
H
I
can
bring
up
my
own
drawing
here,
so
I
can
see
So.
Currently,
the
impervious
oil
cover
is
about
three
tenths
of
an
acre
and
it's
going
to
increase
by
about
about
six
hundredths
of
an
acre,
so
the
the
impervious
soil
cover
goes
from
about
3.04.
H
If
you
can
read
that
to
0.367
and
the
the
storm
water
filter
practice,
which
is
primarily
for
water
quality
controls,
although
it
does,
it
will
also
attenuate
Peak
rates
at
discharge
so
that
the
buyer
retention
filter
of
the
of
the
nine
acres
that
are
Disturbed
the
actual
drainage
area
to
the
to
the
storm
water
facility
is
the.
If
you
can
read
that
is
the
0.7
nine
seven
eight
three
Acres
that
drains
to
it
under
the
this.
H
This
essentially
complies
with
the
state
design
manual
for
for
redevelopment
projects,
so
we
are
fully
complying
with
the
with
the
state
design
manual
and
the
erosion
and
sediment
controls
also
comply.
The
temporary
controls
during
construction
comply
with
the
with
the
state
what
they
call
the
Blue
Book,
which
is
the
the
temporary
erosion
and
sediment
controls
in
general.
We're
we're
well
over,
what's
technically
required,
I
think
it's
we
ended
up.
H
Picking
up,
like
I,
said
close
to
eight
tenths
out
of
the
nine
tenths
of
the
of
the
site,
which
is
well
over
what
what
technically
would
be
required.
Redevelopment
projects
require
you
to
to
treat
at
least
25
percent
of
the
existing
and
and
any
increase
at
a
hundred
percent
and
we're
well
over
those
numbers.
H
So
I
haven't
gotten
formal
comments
back
from
Matt
I
have
gotten
some
feedback
from
from
Brent
Cross
at
the
village,
and
so
we've
got
we've
got
a
couple.
We've
got
some
details
to
work
out,
but
nothing
insurmountable
to
to
to
to
to
make
sure
everybody's
happy.
A
H
I
No,
that's
that's
quite
it
one
other
thing:
we've
we've
shared
our
Thief
Part
3
information
with
Nikki
and
I.
Think
we've.
Unless
there's
any
other
requests
Nikki,
we
we've
provided
you
with
all
the
information
that
you
needed.
A
A
No
great
with
that,
let's
look
at
the
beef.
It
did
look
really
well
baked
when
I
read
it
Nikki.
Is
there
any
particular
area
that
we
should
be
looking
at
in
more
detail?
A
I,
don't
think
so.
Those
are
the
places
that
we
had
a
question
about.
They
sent
us
information.
It
was
mainly
on
the
impact
of
land
which
they
gave
us
a
Geotech
survey
and
yeah,
and
then
the
engineering
comments
that
I've
answered
those
two
under
transportation.
A
So
this
is
we're
back
to
a
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
of
White
Rock
event
right
in
spite
of
sewer
and
I
said
on
the
south
side
of
well,
but
so
they're
still
talking
about
it.
They're
all
they're
they're
talking.
F
A
F
A
A
Yeah,
personally,
all
right
any
questions
or
comments
on
the
fifth
part,
three,
any
opposition
to
moving
forward
with
consideration
of
the
secret
end
deck
resolution
saying.
A
Saying
no,
oh
really
I
would
say
that
I
wanted
to
see
how
that
patio
on
the
North
side
is
shaking
out.
However,
now
I
understand
that
the
ilpc
is
really
thinking
full
consideration,
so
that
I
don't
want
to
see
it,
but
I
do
think
that
understanding
it's
in
a
historical
district.
A
A
Yeah
right
on
God
or
do
business,
we
have
408
North,
Tioga,
Street,
slash
the
red
house
and
we
have
a
letter
from
the
Ithaca
landmarks
preservation
Commission
to
the
Tompkins
County
Legislature
about
that
property.
And
do
we
want
some
context
for
this?
Does
everybody
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
can
we.
A
So
yeah
there's
this
property,
it's
the
county
property.
They
would
like
to
knock
it
down
and
build
a
parking
lot.
The
ilpc
has
written
a
very
long
letter,
they're
saying
various
reasons.
It's
a
bad
idea
and
I
think
the
question
is:
do
we
want
to
write
a
shorter
letter
saying
anything
I'd
like
to
okay,
I?
Think
it's
a
good
idea
for
the
board
to
weigh
in
on
this
property.
But
it's
it's
150
year
old
house.
A
Sure
I
think
it's
important
that
we
weigh
in
on
this
and
support
the
building
being
kept
for
historic
reasons
for
neighborhood
fabric
reasons,
for
housing
reasons
for
sustainability
reasons,
I
think,
there's
a
whole
list
of
clear
issues
for
me
that
I
think
we
need
to
to
be
a
part
of
that
conversation
as
a
planning
board
the
city.
So
that's
why
I
just
thought
that
any
other
thoughts.
A
A
I
wonder
if
we
don't
carry
more
weight
on
things
like
neighborhood
Fabric
and
things
like
historic,
because
I
mean
I
I
feel
like
the
historic
argument
is
substantially
addressed.
A
Sure
you
know
I
think
we
can
speak
to
the
parking
need
in
that
spot,
we'll
let
go
of
and
the
implications
of
a
parking
lot
in
that
spot.
You
know
I
think
I,
think
that's
a
pretty
compelling
argument
for
not
you
know
knocking
that
down.
A
There's
a
question
is
that
the
best
way
to
spend
sure
yeah
a
million
dollars
is
that
the
best
way
to
spend
it
but
the
market
issues
in
facility?
Sorry,
when
you
talk
about
the
cost
of
salvaging
meaning
to
renovate
the
building,
so
they're
I,
just
for
your
information,
there
are
people
who
are
interested
in
purchasing
yeah.
A
You
know
there
are:
there
has
been
discussions
about
how
it
could
be
used.
We
want
to
include
some
language
like
we
recommend
pursuing
all
viable
approaches
to
preserving
the
building,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be.
If
what
you're
saying
is
right,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
the
county,
that's
going
to
prevent
no,
but
that's
I
think
that
the
ideal
resolution
would
be
to
the
accountant
to
sell
this
building
to
a
willing
developer.
Who
would
come
forward
and
renovate
the
moment?
A
Thank
you
and
bring
it
up
to
code,
so
I
think
we
should
say
that
housing
to
create
options,
because
whatever
use
that
would
contribute
to
the
neighborhood
and
continue
so
I
think
saying
we
want
the
Redevelopment
of
this
building
into
something
other
than
a
parking
lot
is
is
a
clear
way
like.
Let's,
let's
lead
with
that
and
I
think
everything
else
just
follows.
B
A
A
You
know,
really
brief
and
easy
to
understand
and
compelling
and
I
think
that
this
issue
could
use
brief
and
easy
to
understand,
because
I
I
agree
with
the
ilpc
letter,
but
I
found
the
LBC
letter
card
to
play
through
and
and
sort
of
relate
to
what
is
on
that
yeah
point
of
view.
A
We
talk
about
density,
we're
improving
a
lot
of
tall,
big,
modern
buildings
downtown
and
the
cause
of
that
it
gets
more
important
than
ever
to
preserve
the
past
sure
to
to
you,
know
to
so
that
it's
not
overwhelmed
by
it
but
which
I,
I,
love
but
I
think
we're
playing
perspective.
It's
really
important
to
retain
these
smaller,
older
buildings
that
remind
us
where
we
came
from,
and
this
was
in
the
district.
We
just
recently
we're
taught
about
preserving
right
right.
A
Yes,
so
I
think
the
best
way
to
take
this
now.
I
want
to
perhaps
create
an
email
if,
unless
there's
anyone
opposes
that
strategy,
yeah.
B
A
A
A
A
And
then
we.
So
there
are
just
a
few
dates
that
actually
everyone
can
do
either
so
I
think
we're
going
to
ask
if
people
had
dates
open
in
may
just
beginning
of
May,
the
first
two
weeks
of
May
either
of
those
Thursdays.
So
we
can
send
out
another
you're,
really
sure
sorry
just
to
see
if
you
could
do
one
of
those
Thursdays
in
May.
So.
A
Right
and
then
I
mean
Lisa.
You
had
a
scheduling
thing
too
well.
I
was
just
the
other
two
quasi
judicial
board
in
the
department,
ilpc8.
A
Decided
to
start
at
5,
30
I
have
a
problem
with
at
all,
but
I
wondered
if
you
also
are
interested
in
that.
You
have
thoughts
on
5
30
versus
six
for
some
for
some
people.
It
makes
a
difference.
A
All
right,
it
might
be
worth
checking
in
on
everybody's
name,
just
to
take
your
temperature.
It's.
A
It's
a
little
tighter
for
me
too
I
actually
like
the
six
o'clock
star,
but
you
know
it
was
something
that
everyone
with
the
two
of
us
preferred.
Maybe
it
would
go
that
way.
A
But
you
know
I
also
think
that
you
know
we
have
a
rhythm
that
is
working
reasonable
issue,
yeah,
whatever
works
for
you
and
I.
Think
Russian
behind
the
other
ones
is
maybe
we're
getting
out
before
five
and
then
have
that
you
know
long
time
to
wait.
Sort
of
probably
the
reverse
yeah
there's
a
point.
Maybe
that
I
don't
speak
to
others,
but
the
projects
have
come
before
us
at
9
45
get
a
different
kind
of
review.
The
projects
are
coming
for
us
at
6
30..
Try
to
answer
so
I
mean
I
I.
A
Think
if
we
wanted
to
address
that,
I
would
be
more
in
favor
of
the
months
that
we
see
those
agendas
going
contemporary
at
night
to
I
rather
divide
up
into
two
meetings.
That's
what
I
do
I
just
don't
think
at
10
o'clock
at
night.
I
don't
have
to
wear
with
all
to
really
think
through
the
same
level
of
diligence.
I
do
at
six
and
I
think
that
has
an
implication
for
applicants.
I,
think
that's
true,
or
is
there
a
way
to
shorten
the
presentations
to
just
make
these
reasons.
A
Feel
like
sometimes
they
drag
on
like
every
five
minutes.
You
know
it's
like,
then
they
add
up
and
then
we're
an
hour
into
it.
Sure
no
I
feel
like
they'd,
be
more
Snappy
like
we.
They
show
a
plan
and
we
understand
it.
They're
gonna
have
to
take
three
minutes
to
describe
what
we
already
can
all
see
and
understand.
You.
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
A
Think
it's
open
for
discussion
and
I.
Don't
think
we're
deciding
anything
final
tonight,
but
I
think
both
splitting
the
meeting
idea
and
the
5
30
idea
are
worth
bringing
up
everybody's
in
the
room.
I
do
think
that
if,
as
long
as
we
notice
it
properly-
and
we
make
sure
it's
very
clear
meeting.