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B
Welcome
everybody
to
the
October,
25th
2022
meeting
of
the
planning
and
development
board.
Maybe
we
can
start
by
going
around
the
room
and
asking
for
introductions
I
believe
that
each
participant
needs
to
press
the
button
on
the
microphone
or
the
ensure
that
the
audio
is
heard
well
over
YouTube.
B
C
D
E
Okay,
I'm
sorry
Samuel
van
Jacobs
Manor
in
Spanish.
B
It's
great
I
also
believe
that
I
should
inform
everyone
in
the
room
that
there
are
exit
doors
to
mine
right
here
and
to
my
left
and
behind
Mitch
there,
and
with
that
we'll
move
straight
on
to
gender
review.
D
B
Yeah
so
a
next
order
of
business,
Victor,
Kessler
who's,
an
assistant,
City
attorney,
he's
going
to
talk
to
us
about
open
meeting
law
so.
C
Effectively,
thank
you
yeah,
so
I've
been
getting
some
questions
about
sort
of
the
implementation
of
the
new
open
meetings,
law
which
permits
a
video
conferencing
and
and
hybrid
readings.
C
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
guys
a
brief
overview
this
evening
and
also
open
it
up
for
any
questions
that
we
might
have
so
this
past
spring,
the
New
York
State
Legislature
updated
the
public
officers
law,
which
is
which
provides
for
for
open
meetings
and
then,
in
the
summer
in
June,
the
city
attacks
local
law
2022-5,
which
implemented
the
new
state
laws
and
added
since
City
specific
procedures
to
it,
mostly
just
tracks
the
state
law
on
a
broad
level.
This
changed
the
way
that
we
had
been
doing.
C
You
know
remote
meetings
from
during
the
pandemic
and
it
set
up
kind
of
a
two-tiered
structure.
So
there
are
two
situations
where
you
can
use
video
in
an
open
meeting.
The
first
is
when
there's
been
a
state
of
emergency
declared
that
can
either
be
a
Statewide
state
of
emergency
like
the
covid
state
of
emergency
that
was
in
effect
or
that
can
be
a
local
state
of
emergency
which
would
be
declared
by
the
mayor
or
I.
Guess
the
Tompkins
County
Executives
could
do
it
as
well.
C
It
has
to
be
an
emergency
that
actually
affects
the
board's
ability
to
meet
in
person.
So
if
there
were
Statewide
state
of
emergency,
emergency
declared
for
something
that
happened
on
Long
Island
would
be
unlikely
that
we
could
meet
remotely
over
here.
For
that
and
when
there's
a
state
of
emergency,
in
effect,
the
whole
board
can
go
remote.
So
we
can
do
what
we
were
doing
during
the
pandemic,
that
we
all
made
up
to.
C
We
conduct
our
business
on
zoom
and
everything
happens
online,
the
authorization
to
do
those
totally
remote
meetings
and
when
the
emergency
expires
so
you'll,
remember,
I,
guess
it
was
a
couple
months
ago
now
the
coveted
state
of
emergency
expired
and
we
no
longer
do
our
online
meetings,
which
is
why
we
are
here
in
person
today.
C
The
second
situation,
which
is
the
one
we're
in
now
authorizes
hybrid
meetings.
These
can
happen
anytime,
even
when
there
is
no
state
of
emergency,
but
there's
some
pretty
significant
differences
to
the
totally
remote
provisions.
C
First
and
probably
most
importantly,
you
always
have
to
have
an
in-person
Forum
in
order
to
conduct
a
public
meeting,
even
if
there's
remote
authorization
in
effect
outside
of
the
state
of
emergency,
so
we're
a
seven
member
board.
There
are
four
of
you
here
in
person
tonight,
so
very
sad
had
one
more
person
then
absent,
then
we
would
not
have
been
able
to
have
this
meeting
because
we're
going
to
have
it
at
a
quorum
and.
C
Attending
remotely
right,
it
has
to
be
in
person
to
counter
towards
forum,
and
there's
no
exceptions
for
that.
C
There
are
limited
circumstances
in
which
individual
members
can
attend
remotely
and
the
language
that's
used
in
the
state
law
and
the
local
law
are
when
there
are
extraordinary
circumstances.
The
law
provides
three
examples:
one
is
disability,
one
is
illness
and
one
is
caregiving.
Responsibilities
and
kind
of
the
key
language
here
is
that
it
has
to
be
a
significant
or
unexpected
event.
C
So,
if
you're
thinking
about
example,
something
like
a
car
crash
would
be
significant
and
unexpected.
If
you're,
you
know
a
caregiver
and
your
caregiving
falls
through
for
whatever
reason.
Last
minute,
you
know
that
probably
count
if
you
had
a
you
know,
work
trip
planned
or
like
the
wedding
or
something
that
would
not
be
significant
or
unexpected.
It
might
be
one
or
the
other,
but
it
wouldn't
be
both.
C
C
If
the
person
is
facing
a
significant
or
unexpected
event,
it
can
attend
remotely.
If
they
are
going
to
attend
remotely,
they
are
entitled
to
vote
and
otherwise
participate
as
if
they
were
here,
but
it
would
be
on
zoom.
In
our
case,
the
law
provides
that,
if
you
are
attending
remotely,
you
need
to
be
able
to
be
heard
seen
and
identified.
That
means
you
have
to
have
your
camera
on,
and
you
should
have
your
name
at
the
bottom,
identifying
you
for
the
entire
time
that
you're
participating.
C
The
other
rule
that
goes
into
effect
is
that
if
we
are
doing
hybrid
meetings,
the
public
must
be
able
to
attend
remotely,
to
the
same
extent,
they'd
be
able
to
attend
and
participate
in
person
and
it's
sort
of
a
matter
of
policy,
we're
kind
of
running
all
of
our
city
meetings
now
as
hybrid
meetings,
so
that
which
means
the
public
is
always
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
attend
remotely.
C
You
could
theoretically
choose
not
to
have
a
hybrid
meeting,
but
I
I
think
in
a
matter
of
policy
would
be
as
a
city
artifacts
to
do
in
the
world.
Sorry,
hybrid
I
think
the
only
other
thing
to
to
mention
is
that
the
chair
Also
may
permit
staff
to
attend
remotely,
so
staff
does
not
necessarily
need
to
be
in
person,
although
that
would
be
up
to
the
chair
to
decide
as
well.
C
That's
kind
of
my
my
general
rundown
of
open
meeting
law.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
about
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
address
them.
D
Go
ahead,
someone
asked,
would
they
would
the
planning
board
members
be
allowed
to
observe
if
they
are
remote?
Oh.
A
You
speak
to
this
I
guess
yeah.
My
concern
would
be
you
know,
trying
to
get
as
much
public
participation
as
possible,
always
in
these
meetings
and
very
absent
since
we've
come
back
from
the
pandemic
very
few
people
so
to
the
extent
that
people
can
engage
remotely
I
think
we
should
support
that
and
encourage
it.
But
there's
a
section
here
that
says
by
the
discussion
of
the
chair
or
other
presenting
officer,
etc,
etc.
A
You
can
the
the
chair
can
allow
participation
and
testimony
through
video
conference.
It
says
but
not
apply
to
members
of
the
public
body
or
members
of
the
public
and
gate
engaging
in
public
comment
so
I
just
that
seemed
a
little
bit
like
awkwardly.
C
To
me,
so
that
is
a
reference
to
step,
paragraph
nine,
which
is
Right
Above
It,
which
has
specific
Provisions
for
the
members
of
the
public
to
attend
remotely
you
and
that's
because
of
a
difference
in
what
the
chair
can
allow
and
what
the
chair
must
allow,
or
what
the
the
board
must
allow
understand
law.
So
the
the
board.
H
C
Required
under
state
law
to
allow
the
public
to
attend
the
chair
does
not
have
to
allow
staff
to
attend
remotely.
If
that
makes
sense
that
distinction.
So
we
have
to
allow
people
to
participate
remotely
members.
They
want
to
remember
the
public
if
they
want
to
correct
okay,
but
the
share
does
not
have
to
allow
staff
to
purchase
value.
The
chair
can
save
while
staff
I
want
you
here.
Okay,.
I
B
Okay,
we
move
on
then
so
public
comments.
D
So
it's
just
public
comments.
F
D
Do
have
two
members
of
the
public
who
ask
that
their
comments
be
read
into
the
record
about
Squeaky
Clean,
Car
Wash.
It's
not
a
there's,
no
public
hearing.
Okay!
Yes,
all
right!
Let
me
get
that
timer.
Sorry,
all
right!
Okay,
all
right!
The
first
is
from
John
gutridge
I.
Am
writing
to
express
my
appreciation
for
your
focus
on
the
impacts
of
the
squeaky
clean
project
on
my
neighborhood
I
have
lived
on
a
400
block
of
South
Titus
for
19
years.
D
This
spring
I
started
my
family
here
and
intend
to
spend
the
rest
of
my
life
in
this
neighborhood
I've
invested
in
the
neighborhood
renovating
several
unmade
under
maintained
houses
to
provide
additional
quality,
affordable
housing.
These
homes
are
called
families,
many
with
small
children
who
love
to
walk
bike
and
recreate
in
our
neighbor.
The
neighborhood
is
my
home
and
I
care
a
great
deal
about
it
being
safe
and
connected
with.
D
That
live
here,
I
think
the
squeaky
clean
is
a
great
local
business
and
I
want
them
to
grow
and
thrive
in
the
community,
but
as
proposed,
the
project
doesn't
fit,
whereas
proposed
not
how
it's
wrong.
Project
is,
as
proposed
with
substantially
degrade
the
quality
of
life
in
our
neighborhood,
and
it's
not
appropriate
for
the
goals
of
the
South
Side,
as
articulated
in
the
south
side.
I
would
ask
that
you
reject
any
plan
that
puts
Car
Wash
traffic
on
our
neighborhood
streets
by
using
South,
Titus,
Avenues
and
needs
of.
G
D
This
project
would
be
fine
if
it
were
to
use
Meadow
Street
as
the
needs
of
access
putting
the
car
oriented
focus
on
the
development
and
development
on
the
car.
Oriented
side
of
the
property
put
in
the
drive
around
South
Titus
means
that
the
substantial
increase
in
traffic
at
this
project
would
generate
will
run
through
our
neighborhood,
creating
dangerous
conflicts
with
the
growing
use
of
neighborhood
recycling
walking
and
connecting
to
one
another
as
a
regular
user.
G
D
The
intersection
people
get
get
aggressive
or
don't
see,
pedestrians
or
bikes
for
many
near
misses.
Adding
people
trying
to
get
into
the
car
wash
into
this
mix
will
get
saturated
problem
s.
In
addition,
because
of
the
Superior
traffic
control
at
the
intersection
of
meadow
and
South
Street,
it's
often
easier
to
go
to
that
intersection
than
loop
around.
This
will
put
many
more
cars
through
the
south
of
of
South
through
the
through
the
loop
of
South
Street,
Fair
Street
and
South
Titus,
which
is
often
used
by
the
many
neighborhood
children
accessing.
D
Reason
that
the
project
needs
to
be
accessed
by
stock
price
and
not
Meadows,
because
there's
inadequate
land
for
queuing
their
customers
on
their
property,
as
it
is
at
their
other
sites.
The
line
often
extends
out
onto
the
street
on
nice
days
when
everyone
wants
to
wash
their
cars.
This
is
not
an
acceptable
use
of
our
neighborhood
to
become
the
car
was
customer
and
our
neighborhood
to
become
the
car
was
customer
blind
space.
D
D
One
is
from
Marshall
McCormick
I
want
to
express
my
deepest
gratitude
in
understanding
and
advocating
for
the
South
Side
plan
that
our
neighborhood
put
together
with
the
city
support
I,
took
an
active
role
in
putting
together
the
specified
neighborhood
and
was
excited
that
we
were
starting
to
move
forward
with
a
plan
to
completely
and
proactively
create
our
neighborhood's
code's
future.
The
committee
deliberated
for
quite
an
extensive
time
over
a
number
of
the
items
in
our
South
Side,
including
recommendations
to.
F
D
Own
areas
of
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
suggestions
that
we,
in
conjunction
with
the
city,
explore
the
closure
of
the
500
block
of
South
Titus
tab
with
the
goal
of
extending
the
Titus
Triangle
Park
toward
the
waterfrontario
connection
on
Cecil
Moon
and
the
future
Bridge
everything.
There
are
two
issues
with
this
Squeaky
Clean
Car
Wash
project
that
are
antithetical
to
what
was
proposed
to
the
plan.
D
The
first
was
pointed
out
when
the
part
when
this
project
was
last
reviewed,
that,
by
having
vehicles
accessing
the
property
from
South
China
staff,
the
possibility
of
extending
the
tightest
triangle
into
a
Greenway
toward
the
Waterfront
Trail
is
all
that
destroyed.
One
of
the
greatest
things
about
living
in
China's
Flats
is
the
convenient
access
to
everything,
including
downtown
in
the
southwest
shopping
from
the
neighborhood
developed
the
zoning
recommendations
for
the
South
Side
plan,
the
plan.
D
It
was
clearly
identified
that,
given
the
convenient
access
to
desirable
amenities
and
proximity
to
Route
13
core,
where
it
made
sense
to
increase
height
and
density,
so
many
possibilities
on
the
Block
in
which
the
car
wash
has
been
proposed.
The
vision
as
discussed
in
the
committee
was
one
of
housing
akin
to
that
build
by
IHS
at
210
Hancock,
where
Lake
Ave
was
closed
and
turned
into
a
creek
front
path.
D
D
Well,
that
explicitly
called
out
in
the
South
Side
plan
allowing
cars
to
enter
exit
Q
on
South
Titus
Ave
will
undoubtedly
create
an
influx
of
vehicular
traffic,
not
only
along
a
street.
The
neighborhood
would
like
to
consider
closing,
but
into
a
neighborhood
that
includes
a
huge
amount
of
pedestrian
and
bicycle
traffic,
that
people
accessing
the
Southwest
shopping.
J
D
Only
disrupt
the
livability
of
the
neighborhood
but
will
surely
increase
The
Pedestrian
vehicular
conflict
on
streets,
they're
already
not
properly
signaled
and
designed
for
the
amount
of
pedestrian
bicycle
traffic
that
exists.
Additionally.
The
Route
13
South,
tightest
intersection
is
one
of
the
most
dangerous
crash
Road
intersections
in
the
city,
the
impact
of
queuing
cars
and
increase
in
vehicular
traffic
at
this
intersectional.
D
G
B
K
D
G
K
Hi,
it's
Bruce
here
from
coming
to
you
hailing
from
Atlanta
downtown
Atlanta.
This
evening
we
have
with
us,
looks
like
Scott,
Witham
and
Jacob
meet
y'all
with
Woodham
planning
and
Design
and
I
know
you
had
a
fairly
voluminous
packet
sent
to
you
in
your
board
package
and
I
wanted
to
do
one
quick
thing
and
then
we'll
dive
into
the
details.
K
There
are
three
items
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about
tonight,
one
of
which
is
a
primary
item,
the
other
two
or
probably
more
informational,
but
also
had
one
question
on
them,
so
primarily
we're
here
tonight.
The
the
three
items
are
the
the
climbing
vines
that
we
had
planned
on
the
parking
garage,
Expansion
Project.
K
Third
item
is
a
cinemapolis
sign,
so
I'd
like
to
at
least
table
the
discussion
for
the
general
overall
signage
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
give
the
planning
board
a
flavor
of
where
we're
headed
with
the
signage
and,
if
there's
anything,
significantly
objectionable.
You
know
that
you
guys
want
to
make
a
few
comments
on
I'm
glad
to
take
those
today,
but
we're
gonna
We're
Not
Gonna
dive
into
that
section
of
the
submittal
in
detail.
The
primary
topic
tonight
is
the
climbing
vines
on
the
garage
and
Jacob.
K
If
you
don't
mind,
sharing
that
first
couple
of
pages,
yeah.
K
So
we
we
were,
we
had
site
plan
approval
some
time
ago
to
everybody.
I
think
has
seen
the
garage
go
up.
One
problem
we've
encountered
in
I
think
Jacob
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
outlining
it
in
the
memo.
But
just
as
a
recap
to
his
memo,
we've
had
some
structural
issues
come
up
relative
to
the
vines
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
K
The
good
news
here
tonight
is
that
the
vines
that
it
finds
and
cables
that
were
planned
for
the
south
side
of
the
building
along
Green
Street
are
are
un,
are
going
to
be
unchanged:
The,
Vines
and
cables
on
the
west
side
of
the
building,
the
building
that
faces
the
the
asteri
project.
So
there's
a
10
foot
wide
slot
between
the
steri
building
mixed-use
building
in
the
garage
and
in
that
10
foot
wide
slot.
K
On
the
west
side
of
the
parking
garage,
we
had
planned
a
series
of
stainless
steel
cables
and
climbing
plant
plant
vines
that
would
grow
up
there
and
so
Jacob.
If
you
go
to
that
next
page,
real,
quick
and
just
kind
of
look
you
can
see
in
the
top
of
that
page
is
the
elevation
facing
south,
which
is
all
on
Green
Street.
Those
Vines
and
the
X
patterns
have
remained
unchanged.
K
K
K
Construction,
we
had
a
change
in
Structural
Engineers,
the
company
is
still
intact
and
the
company
was
still
intact,
but
the
engineer,
professional
who's
responsible
for
the
project
was
let
go,
and
then
that
project
was
reassigned
to
another
engineer
within
the
company
and
in
looking
at
this,
their
calculations
and
their
strategy
of
how
we
would
attach
these
stainless
steel
cables
to
the
structure
was
a
completely
different,
Viewpoint
and
professional
opinion,
which
caused
quite
a
bit
of
consternation
on
the
part
of
the
engineer
and
US,
of
course,
but
bottom
line
is
because
of
the
way
the
two
buildings
interact
with
each
other,
with
a
narrow
slot
and
the
fact
that
he
could
not
find
a
way
to
calculate
the
actual
loads
that
would
be
imposed
on
these
long
cables
that
stretched
from
the
second
and
third
levels,
all
the
way
up
to
the
roof.
K
He
was
unwilling
for
us
to
be
able
to
find
a
way
to
do
that
because
of
the
wind
tunnel
effect
the
leaves
the
size
of
the
leaves.
How
many
leaves
are
there?
What
kind
of
wind
we're
going
to
have
coming
through
there?
K
So
we
compromised
with
from
the
structural
standpoint
and
said
well
what,
if
we
just
left
the
ones
that
are
a
attached
to
the
ground
to
start
with,
and
then
the
one
that
just
reached
up
to
the
planters
that
we
had
planned
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
came
to
some
conclusion
that
those
are
okay
to
be
left,
as
is
what
we
did
as
a
result
of
that,
though,
was
to
plan
on
adding
some
additional
plantings
that
would
hang
down
from
those
Planters
or
and
be
additional
plantings
within
the
Planters
and
essentially
make
The
Pedestrian
experience
relatively
unchanged.
K
In
other
words,
these
ones
that
were
going
to
climb
high
were
going
to
be
very,
very
hard
to
pre-perceive
from
the
ground
level
at
The
Pedestrian
level.
So
we
felt
like
that
this
adjustment,
and
so,
if
you
don't
mind
Jacob
going
to
that
next
page,
where
you've
got
rendered,
what
our
plan
is
to
have
down
there.
We've
got
some
ground
covers
some
Shrubbery,
some
small
understory
trees.
Those
are
all
already
sort
of
in
the
plan.
K
The
vines
climbing
up
are
in
the
plan
and
now
we've
added
some
additional
planting
in
the
Planters
to
drape
over
the
edges.
Again,
our
thinking
here
is
that
The
Pedestrian
experience
is
relatively
unchanged
in
this
respect,
and
so
what
we're
asking
for
tonight
is
your
blessing
and
approval
to
remove
those
upper
sections
of
the
stainless
steel
cables
and
Vines
glad
to
and
Jacob's
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
some
of
the
real
Atlanta
Technical
Landscapes,
and
if
anybody
has
any
questions
specifically
about
what
we're
asking
for
glad
to
take
any
questions
this
evening.
D
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
that
the
ground
floor
is
largely
unchanged,
but
I
think
this
really
affects
the
whole
facade
that
we
were
expecting
and
how
the
connection
between
the
commons
and
and
Green
Street
Fields
I,
don't
know
that
Vines
would
grow
up
in
this
entire
side
of
the
building
in
that
narrow
spot
anyway.
But
can
you
do
something
else?
Is
there
some
other
thing
to
fill
the
top
of
this
building?
D
K
So
let
me
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
perspective
if
I
may,
and
can
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
see
it
and
yeah,
you
can
kind
of
see
it
in
that
image
right
there.
The
reality
is
as
you're
walking
up
and
down
the
newly
created
daylight
area
of
this
space,
and
you
can
go
see
it
now
that
the
mixed
juice
building
has
started
to
go
vertical
there.
K
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
haven't
to
just
walk
up
and
down
Green,
Street
and
kind
of
look
up
and
down
this
new
Corridor
that's
been
created
and
realize
that
matter
of
fact,
you
could
kind
of
see
it
in
this
perspective
a
little
bit,
you
really
can't
see
any
of
that
space.
Any
of
that
facade
elevation
from
the
perspective
of
a
pedestrian.
K
You
can't
you'll,
never
see
it.
Looking
from
city
hall
or
anywhere
else,
it'll
be
completely
covered
by
the
mixed-use
building,
which
is
12
stories
so
either
looking
from
home
Dairy
alley
in
the
Commons
or
looking
from
Green
Street
back
the
other
direction.
There's
really
no
real
visibility
of
this
elevation
further
up
than
what
you're
seeing
in
this
image.
So
we
feel
like
in
some
ways
we
might
I
mean
just
without
without
saying
it
any
other
way.
K
We
might
have
overdone
the
vines
on
that
area
anyway
and
to
be
perfectly
clear
and
and
transparent.
The
situation
for
the
structural
engineer
was
that
this
portion
of
the
building
is
the
I'll
just
say
at
the
end
of
the
building
and
the
end
of
the
building.
K
The
structural
slabs
are
different
than
the
front,
and
back
so,
and
that's
really,
the
key
issue
is
that
the
the
ends
the
left
and
the
right,
the
East
and
the
West
ends
of
the
structure
are
designed
from
a
reinforcement,
perspective
differently
than
the
front
and
the
back,
and
so
attaching
to
the
front
and
back
was
pretty
straightforward
and
simple,
and
he
was
able
to.
You
know,
concur
with
the
previous
Engineers
version
of
that,
but
on
this
end
he
was
not
able
to
but
I
think.
K
If
you
just
take
a
look
at
what
you
really
can
see,
I
would
I
would
respectfully
request,
maybe
consideration
of
just
leaving.
We
did
paint
all
those
panels,
different
shades
of
colors,
so
that
doesn't
show
in
that
rendering
that
Jacob
had
pulled
up,
but
the
the
the
panels
that
are
between
the
concrete
currently
out
there.
You
can
kind
of
see
them
if
you
go
out
there,
they're
painted
different
shades
of
blue,
so
we've
already
got
some
variation
of
color
on
that
elevation.
K
So
it'll
it'll
see
you.
There
are
a
few
windows
on
that
side.
The
reality
of
that
is
that
there
are
very
few
windows
on
that
side
of
the
building,
because
that
side
of
the
building
is
a
rated
wall
condition.
There
are
some,
but
it
I
mean
whether
those
Vines
were
there
or
not
or
not
sure
it
would
significantly
affect
the
visual
aspect
of
just
looking
10
feet
across
to
that
to
the
parking
garage
all
right.
A
Yeah
and
I
tend
to
agree
with
Emily,
but
I
get
the
point
that
nobody's
going
to
see
that
elevation.
The
way
it's
shown
in
the
drawing
yeah.
K
A
Glad
I'm,
like
that
I
also
had
the
question
about
how
you
would
see
it
from
the
the
mixes
building
any
residential
units.
There
I
guess
one
thing
you
might
consider
when
you
look
at
the
rendering
is
that
since
there
won't
be
green
out
here
head
or
as
much
as
there
was,
is
there
a
way
to
add
some
kind
of
lighting,
not
that
elevation
the
perspective
elevation
that
you
were
just
the
patriotist
on
the
small
one
you
know?
Is
there
a
way
to
add?
A
L
A
Be
focused
sort
of
internally
with
the
landscape
and
the
facades
to
either
Society.
Instead
of
wanting
to
look
up
past
those
lights
to
see
if
like
a
facade,
but
it
does
feel
a
little
bit
like
a
loss
but
and
I
would
have
to
see
the
panelization,
because
I
do
think.
If
there's
any
other
thing,
you
can
do
up
there
to
to
soften
that
or
give
it
some
kind
of
feature.
I.
K
E
Sure
so
we
made
some
very
minor
adjustments
to
the
ground
level
plantings,
but
but
for
the
most
part,
they
are
the
same
as
they
were
with
the
approved
plan
right.
E
The
changes
that
we
made
were
largely
in
these
three
planters
that
are
up
above
and
previously
they
had
Vines
planted
in
here
that
were
intended
to
grow
up
further
up
the
building,
but
with
the
idea
that
we
wanted
to
increase
the
amount
of
vegetation
lower
on
the
building
to
to
have
more
vegetation
closer
to
The
Pedestrian
experience,
we
we
looked
at
what
options
would
grow
in
this
difficult
location
and
what
would
grow
down,
which
is
obviously
not
something
that
most
plants
eagerly
do.
E
So
we
took
a
look
at
some
of
the
gorge
conditions
around
Ithaca
and
looked
for
plants
on
the
gorge
walls
that
were
growing
downward,
and
what
we
found
was
that
Wild
Grape
is
actually
one
of
the
a
plant
that
we're
all
probably
familiar
with
in
this
area,
since
it
grows
like
a
weed,
and
it
also
grows
in
these
narrow,
difficult
conditions
and
it
grows
downward
when
it
doesn't
have
a
a
ideal
structure
to
grow
upward.
E
E
K
Sorry
I
just
realized
my
camera
wasn't
on
earlier,
but
sorry
about
that
so
and
I'm
you
know
go
back
to
that
little
perspective.
Rendering,
if
you
don't
mind,
Jacob,
I
I
mean
I,
don't
want
to
add
anything
more
than
I
feel
like
we
want
to
do,
but
I
I,
really
kind
of
like
the
idea
of
adding
the
some
lighting
across
the
top
of
that
I.
Think
that
would
give
us
a
bit
of
a
some
string
lighting
sort
of
crisscross
around
that
pattern.
K
I
think
the
one
thing
to
also
consider
is
that
we've
got
that
Second
Story
walkway
across
over
to
the
conference
center.
Our
plan
is
to
relocate
the
original,
so
the
you
know
on
this
agenda
was
also
the
cinemapolis
sign,
but
we're
also
going
to
relocate
the
old
cinemapolis
sign
that
was
hanging
underneath
the
garage
and
we're
going
to
lay
it
right
underneath
that
walkway
so
there's
a
big
visual,
cue
people
walking
north
and
south
for
the
cinemapolis
but
I.
K
You
know
if,
if
the
board
is
amicable,
I
would
amend
our
proposal
proposal
here
to
go
ahead
and
include
some
string
lights
across
there.
If,
if
everybody
felt
like
that
bike
get
us
a
better
pedestrian
experience,
that
would
gain
us
approval,
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
trying
to
work
towards
is
completing
this
work
and
right
now
those
cables
and
Vines
are
on
hold
until
I
give
them
the
authorization
to
proceed.
K
So
if,
if
that's
something
that
the
board
would
be
willing
to
take
an
adjustment
to
is
adding
the
string
lights
in
lieu
of
what
we
had
previously
up
I
think
that
would
help
Focus
the
attention
downward,
especially
at
night,
but
also
give
you
just
that
ceiling
plane
across
that
area.
That
would
help
you
know,
keep
the
pedestrian
experience,
maybe
even
a
little
bit
better.
B
So
I'm
just
trying
to
synthesize
the
comments,
I'm
hearing
that
I
guess
as
an
obvious
I,
find
it
odd
that
building
like
a
little
hundreds
of
cars.
B
If
you
come
down
with
vines
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
understand
the
issues
so
I'll
just
I'll
accept
it
as
is,
but
it
seems
like
I'm
an
engineering
in
perspective.
B
B
Can
you
think
so?
Yeah
I
think
so.
Is
that,
because
adding
an
addition
of
Lights
to
be
approved
in
the
next
month
as
a
condition,
would
that
be
acceptable?.
K
B
Okay,
then
I
think
we
have
an
agreement.
So
can
we
Nikki?
Could
you
please
add
a
condition
for
Alleyway
lights
to
be
added,
brought
back
for
the
board's
approval
at
November
meeting,
but
with
that
Amendment
then,
could
we.
B
Put
it
as
part
of
this
side
package
can
that
be
done,
yeah
review
it
when
they
come
back
inside
so
could
the
condition
be
that
they
will
put
the
lights
in
and
then
so
it's
not
so
that
it's
not
an
extra
trip
that
the
the
lighting
be
brought
back
together
with
the
sign
package,
whatever
that
is,
but
you
can
move
forward
with
the
cable
announce
the
product.
Just
get
delayed
overhead.
B
D
M
B
We
can
just
amend
the
resolution.
We
need
to
vote
on
the
amendment
okay,
so
the
resolution
as
amended
needs
to
be.
B
Believe
does
CJ
seconds.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
resolution
as
amended
right,
so
we're
ready
for
a
vote
again
just
for
sure
wrap
Quorum?
So
a
no
vote
means
the
project
if
this
doesn't
move
forward.
So
if
there's
any
further
information,
we
need
before
we
vote
on
this
now
a
good
time
to
or
is
it
okay
see,
none.
D
I
B
Resolution
is
I
think
you
heard
that
we're
just
gonna
ask
you
to
bring
back
the
the
string
lighting
plan
for
approval
when
you're
here
anyway
from
time
that's:
okay,
yep.
K
Okay,
so,
and
and
we'll
skip
over
the
big
sign
package
and
we'll
come
back
on
that
next
month.
I
just
want
to
give
everybody
a
preview
of
that
I
do
want
to
talk
briefly
about
the
cinemapolis
sign
and
if
it
makes
any
sense,
so
we've
talked
to
Brett
before
he
was
before
he
moved
on
with
his
next
career
and
had
agreement
with
with
the
cinemapolis
to
provide
this
sign
on
Green
Street
that
sort
of
hangs
underneath
the
overhang
of
the
garage
over
by
the
stairs.
K
K
Also
we
we
submitted
to
the
board
this
next
piece
of
information
that
Jacob's
got
on
the
screen,
which
was
the
2009
approval
of
a
sign
that
was
proposed
on
the
facade
of
the
garage
which
was
much
larger
in
nature
and
much
more
involved.
It
was
a
big
blade
sign
that
hung
over.
You
can
see
it
kind
of
sticking
out
there,
so
I
guess.
My
question-
and
our
question
here
today
is
with
this:
hey:
is
this
I'm
guessing
that
this
approval
still
stands?
I
suppose
if
we
wanted
to
build
this
sign?
K
But
my
question
is:
is
there
any
mechanism
in
place
that
we
could
simply
use
the
previous
approval
of
this
sign
to
move
forward
with
the
proposed
sign
which
is
which
was
in
this
package,
or
do
we
need
to
submit
this
separately
now
as
a
potential
sign
package
as
part
of
our
overall
Side
Package?
The
cinemapolis
would
like
to
move
on
this
side
as
quickly
as
possible.
K
G
D
D
D
To
say,
but
that
would
be
as
far
as
the
peer
approval
would
go
if
it
needed
to
variance.
J
K
So
that
song
would
be
internally
lit
with
in
a
in
a
box,
so
the
red
and
the
black
would
be
pre-finished
metal.
Everything
that's
white
on.
There
would
be
backlit
internally.
A
The
white
lights
aren't
flickering
in
the
the
red
arrow
like.
Let's
stay
away
from
that
kind
of
look.
D
F
K
Oh
yeah
yeah
that
Marquee
would
stay
intact
just
like
it
is
yeah.
There's
no
change
to
that.
To
that
signage
part
of
the
issue
is
that
signage
again
is
not
visible
to
pedestrians
as
they're
walking,
because
it's
up
above
them
and
it's
in
line
with
their
with
their
path
and
so
perspective
wise.
You
really
just
don't
see
it
even
drivers
that
drive
by
have
a
hard
time.
K
You
know
you
don't
want
people
turning
and
looking
their
head
left,
while
they're
driving
down
Green
Street,
trying
to
Reit
that
so
the
original
planning
of
that
sign
was
probably
not
thought
through,
as
well
as
that
it
could
have
been.
But
in
the
meantime,
just
having
a
little
cue
that
the
cinemapolis
is
down
this
path.
Right
here
is
what
we're
after
or
what
they're
after
for,
for
their
patrons.
K
K
Now
now
there
is
an
existing
cinemapolis
sign
that
is
essentially
a
rectangle,
very
similar
to
the
black
one
right
here.
That
was
hanging
underneath
the
old
garage
structure.
That
was
there
that
we
salvaged
and
we
are
moving
to
be
placed
underneath
the
walkway
between
the
two
buildings,
and
so
maybe
that's
something
that
we
need
to
include
in
our
overall
sign
package,
because
it'll
be
attached
to
the
mixed-use
building.
K
This
particular
one
is
attached
to
the
garage
building,
so
I
was
trying
to
treat
it
a
little
bit
separately
since
it
was
part
of
the
garage
project.
Technically,
all
right.
B
Please
Mickey
I'm,
making
the
double
we
can
I
mean
the
the
board
has
said
that
it
seems
fine
with
that
sign,
but
we
can't
Grant
the
variances
I
mean
that's
not
with
our
domain.
K
K
D
B
G
B
K
And,
like
I
said,
the
next
big
sign
package
will
come
back
and
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
going
through
in
more
detail.
But
I
appreciate
everybody's
confidence
tonight
on
this
one,
and
we
will
come
back
with
the
sign
package
and
the
lighting
package
for
that
Alleyway
as
part
of
that
next
time,.
B
Okay,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
submissions.
A
K
Jacob
flash
your
screen
my
friend,
so
we
just
got
the
submittal
on
that
from
the
sign
company
today,
so
Jacob's
got
on
his
screen
there.
Just
the
the
image,
essentially
that
was
on
the
elevation
drawings,
which
you
can
sort
of
see,
has
not
changed
from
what
we
submitted
to
the
planning
board
for
overall
building,
elevations
and
you'll
see
on
the
next
page.
K
There
then
Jacob
the
actual
dimensions
of
that
sign,
and
so
basically,
what
we're
going
to
be
submitting
is
is
essentially
what
you
saw
on
the
elevations
in
the
planning
board
approval
from
the
original
project.
Just
with
these
dimensions
and
and
the
layout
spelled
out
specifically
foreign.
B
We'll
see
time
we
are
at
6
50
for
five
minutes
ahead,
so
the
next
project
is
Cayuga,
Park
approval
conditions,
Lisa
or
maybe
at
least
you
want
to
talk
us
through
this
before
you
get
the
applicants
in
okay.
B
E
I
think
it's
just
gonna
be
a
quick
run
through
of
what
we
have
overall
and
then
we
can
talk
about
some
of
the
specifics,
so
we
last
year
we
brought
a
a
change
to
the
Keuka
Park,
building
a
facade
to
the
planning
board
as
a
site
plan
update,
and
at
that
time
two
additional
conditions
of
approval
were
added,
and
so
we
are
back
to
satisfy
those
conditions,
as
the
the
building
itself
is
is
nearing
completion.
E
E
So
just
a
brief
reminder:
this
is
the
cue
the
park
overall
site
plan
with
four
buildings
on
it.
The
building
in
question
that
we
were
talking
about
is
the
building
a
up
here.
D
E
Okay
yeah,
so
once
again,
this
is
the
Cayuga
Park
project
site.
This
is
Route
13
down
here.
Aldi's
is
just
off
screen
here
on
the
right,
and
this
is
the
building
in
question:
building
a
the
market,
View
Apartments
and
so
we'll
look
at
what
you've
seen
previously
and
what
the
changes
are
and
what
those
conditions
changes
that
we've
made.
In
answer
to
those
two
conditions
as
well.
E
These
are
the
entrances
that
were
in
question
and
the
large
blank
facades
that
led
to
the
addition
of
those
conditions,
all
right,
previous
site
plan
that
was
submitted
along
with
those
and
we'll
show
you.
The
changes
and
updates
to
that
here
highlighted
in
red
I.
Think
we'll
talk
about
the
the
conditions
specifically
or
would
you
rather
that
we
go
through
each
of
these
changes
one
by
one?
Before
that
conversation.
I
E
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
this
is
the
building
as
it
stands
today,
although
this
picture
was
taken
maybe
a
week
or
two
ago,
so
some
additional
Curbing
and
improvements
have
been
in
place
since
this
photo
was
taken.
But
this
shows
you,
the
exterior
shell
of
the
building,
the
colors
the
finishes
at
a
very
nearly
complete
stage,
and
so
we
provided
the
board
with
renderings,
showing
the
updated
Landscaping
plans
along
the
front
entrance
of
the
building.
E
This
is
the
more
public-facing
entrance
as
it
faces
towards
the
intersection
with
the
entrance
to
Aldi's
and
route
13.
E
E
So
these
are
fairly
standard
park
benches
that
we
have
throughout
the
project,
bike
racks
trash
receptacles
and
a
picnic
table
with
the
idea
that
this
space
is
large
enough
for
very
small
Gatherings
or
people
waiting
for
someone
to
enter
the
building
or
leave
the
building.
E
E
And
then
I
guess
I'll
just
jump
right
into
an
overall
change
by
change
here,
so
we
had
previously
shown
a
storage
shed
located
at
this
location
where
this
parking
space
is
that's
been
relocated
over
behind
this
dumpster
enclosure,
so
it
should
be
less
visible
than
previously
from
the
entrance
in
the
street
and
people
heading
towards
the
farmer's
market.
That
was
because
this
utility
pole
was
erroneously
shown
several
feet
back
from
its
actual
location
on
the
survey.
So
we
have
resolved
that
issue.
There's
the
same
number
of
parking
spaces.
E
E
A
staircase
was
necessary,
necessary
to
be
added
on
this
end
of
the
building.
That
was
due
to
a
grading
issue
and
a
change
in
the
finished
floor
elevation
in
response
to
the
updated
FEMA
flood
maps,
so
the
that
required
a
staircase
which
still
provides
egress
after
the
sidewalk
you'll,
see
the
updated
landscape
portion
here
is
highlighted
as
well,
although
that's
a
little
clearly
shown
in
the
respective
images,
we're
also
showing
the
proposed
footprint
of
a
sign
here,
but
that's
not
part
of
this
submission.
E
Over
here
we
have
some
minor
adjustments
to
the
alignment
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
crossing
the
cross
key
to
Park
Lane,
as
well
as
what
are
the
locations
of
these
two
surface.
Utility
boxes,
Transformer
and
Generator
pads
here
and
the
landscaping
around
them
has
also
been
updated
to
provide
some
screening
around
this
space
and
the
playground
area
has
also
been
enlarged
as
well
all
right.
E
So
that
is
the
extent
of
the
changes
to
the
site
plan
and
Landscaping,
as
well
as
our
renderings,
showing
the
prospective
views
of
the
building
and
that
entryway,
and
our
hope
is
that
this
is
adequate
to
meet
the
conditions
that
were
added
at
the
previous
site.
Plan.
Update.
I
I
A
A
couple
of
questions:
first:
what
about
the
sidewalks
I?
Don't?
Are
there
trees
planted
in
the
sidewalks
I?
Don't
understand
how
the
sidewalk
neck
circulation
of
working
here
from
the
front
door
over
to
the
West
how's
that
are
those
trees
along
the
south
of
the
spot
that
the
building
in
the
sidewalk
right.
E
Here,
no
so
so
at
the
previous
site
plan
update
what
we
had
presented:
Was
the
removal
of
a
sidewalk
on
this
side
of
the
building
you'll,
see
in
the
group
site
plan
from
a
year
ago
that
that
was
changed
to
lawn
and
was
not
a
connecting
sidewalk
as
of
one
year
ago.
E
The
reason
being
that
these
are
bedrooms
that
face
out
onto
this
space
and
so
having
a
walkway
directly
next
to
people's
bedrooms
was
just
a
very
uncomfortable
condition,
and
so
in
consideration
of
that
first,
we
took
out
the
plantings
and
we're
just
going
to
have
lawn
there
on
further
examination.
We
we
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
add
a
more
substantial
Landscaping
border
here
to
provide
some
screening
for
those
windows
and
exterior
patio
spaces.
G
A
E
So
there
are
yeah,
there
are
two
exits
from
the
building,
and
so
one
of
the
more
direct
routes
would
be
to
leave
through
what
I
you
might
call
the
back
door,
although
these
have
fairly
similar
appearances
and
capacities,
and
that
would
lead
you
directly
to
this
crosswalk,
which
then
leads
to
the
rest
of
the
Development
Area.
E
We
anticipate
most
of
the
pedestrian
traffic
leaving.
This
store
would
be
headed
out
to
this
sidewalk
towards
either
the
farmers
market
Aldi's
or
across
Route
13
to
the
rest
of
downtown.
O
And
and
if
I
just
might
add,
just
Mitch,
that's
not
a
change!
We're
proposing
at
this
point.
That's
part
of
the
approved
condition:
yeah,
okay,.
A
When
it
comes
to
the
the
little
areas
you
know,
we
talked
about
large
blind
sides
and
I
I.
Just
honestly,
don't
think
that
what
you
proposed
is
addressing
that
comment.
It's
addressing
the
planting
scheme,
but
you
still
have
large
clinical
entries
and
I
I
think
the
the
little
amenities
that
you've
got
there
is
not
really
doing
the
trick.
It
can
go
to
slide
11..
A
You
know
we're.
Looking
at
a
garbage
can
right
out
the
front
door.
The
wall
is
still
drab.
You
know,
I
think
we,
if
at
all
possible
to
think
a
little
bit
more
creatively.
You
know
things
like
down
lights
or
signage,
or
something
to
Enlighten
this
with
color,
it's
quite
a
draft
building.
When
you
look
at
the
construction
photos
compared
to
the
rendering
so
I
think
we
can
do
better
here,
both
on
this
side
and
on
the
back
side,
and
that
sidewalk
condition
is
I,
don't
know
what
we
do
about
that,
but.
D
I
mean
I
I,
really,
like
all
the
increased
planting
I
think
you
don't
usually
see
that
around
affordable
problems,
so
I
think
you
know
bumping
that
up
is
really
great.
The
larger
playground
is
really
great
and
I
I
can
actually
see
how
somebody
where
building
a
in
the
center
of
the
building
could
go
to
the
back
or
the
front
and
maybe
go
back
with
your
second
one.
So
I
can
almost
buy
into
the
street
access,
but
I
agree
with
mentioned
on
the
facades.
D
You
know
I'm
not
sure
yet
they'll
then
be
certainly
in
the
winter.
It's
not
gonna,
be
there
as
Lush
as
these
images
and
if
there's
anything
else
that
could
be
building
applied
to
some
of
those
success.
That
would
help.
B
On
this,
but
I'm
not
we're
at
Quorum
and
I'm,
not
seen
four
board
members
who
are
good
with
this,
as
is
so
I'm
thinking
what
might
be
fastest,
African
could
kind
of
go
back
and
consider
some
of
the
comments
heard
and
come
back
next
month
is
that
where
we
are
on
this.
O
B
D
Mean
I
do
want
to
say
Scott
that
part
of
the
whole
entry
Plaza
discussion
and
the
and
the
condition
about
the
entry
plus
discussion
was
about
pedestrian
circulation.
So
I
think
you
can't
just
say
that
everything
else
is
approved,
and
this
is
the
hard
line
I
think
people
are
seeing
a
problem
with
The
Pedestrian
circulation
here
and
the
sidewalk
layout,
and
so
far
that
hasn't
been
addressed.
So.
D
D
Just
doesn't
you
you
know,
literally,
if
you
want
to
get
to
the
bus,
stop
you
have
to
go
out
the
front
door
go
in
the
opposite
direction
across
the
street
yeah
people
are
just
going
to
show
them
everything
together,
yeah,
so
I,
just
I
I
know
you
feel
that
it
was
a
proof,
but
this
is
a
this
is
gonna,
be
here
for
a
long
time
and
people
are
going
to
live
here
for
a
long
time
and
if
it's
not,
it
doesn't
work
we're
going
to
get.
O
E
I
I
think
we
we
understand
the
concern
and
I
think
we've.
We've
we've
heard
it
before
with
this
project
and
with
this
location.
But
but
there
are
some
some
very
real
spatial
limitations
to
what
can
be
accomplished
on
this
site
and
and
and
certainly
with
with
the
approve
the
approved
site
plan.
E
The
building
has
been
built
in
consideration
of
the
approval
that
it
received,
and
so
there
are
at
this
point
very
real
limitations
to
what
can
be
changed
and
I
would
hope
that
the
board
would
consider
some
of
that
in
asking
us
to
return
that
there
may
be
a
real
inability
on
our
part
to
accommodate
some
of
those
requests.
E
Specifically,
the
the
circulation
I
I
point
out
that
there
is
a
existing
infrastructure
directly
adjacent
to
this
building
the
NYSEG
power
lines
and
the
polls
which
are
not
just
the
polls
themselves,
but
they
also
have
anchoring
guy
wires,
particularly
one
in
this
location,
prevents
there
being
continuous
sidewalk
on
this
side
of
the
street.
Now
that's
something
that
was
shown
earlier
in
previous
plans,
and
it
was
changed
due
to
the
fact
that
we,
we
simply
couldn't
work.
E
O
Yeah,
can
you
can
you
go
to
the
the
whole
site
plan
again
it
just
in
terms
of
circulation
as
well,
and
to
the
comment
of
going
down
to
the
shopping
areas
and
going
to
the
to
the
south
southern
part
of
the
site.
The
northern
part
of
the
site
really
is
Community,
Gardens
and
parking.
If
you
go
all
the
way
out,
Jacob
to
the
whole
site,
sure
and
the
so,
the
the
whole
western
part
of
that
site
is
parking
and
Community
Gardens.
O
D
O
A
E
So
so
the
the
tenant
for
the
building,
which
is
HCR,
has
a
certain
requirement
for
a
number
of
parking
spaces
that
serve
their
tenants
and
the
the
removal
of
those
parking
spaces
is
also
not
something
that
can
be
considered
from
the
project
standpoint,
because
it
would,
it
would
mean
that
HCR
is
not
able
to
meet
their
program
for
their
tenants
and
Agreements
are
already
in
place.
Based
on
the
approved
site
plan.
Financing
is
already
in
place
based
on
the
approved
site
plan.
O
Do
you
want
to
blow
that
area
up
just
so
we
could
zoom
in
a
little
bit.
Okay
thanks.
A
A
mid-block
Crossing,
you
would
lose
one
part
of
the
space
potentially,
but
you
come
out
the
front
door
and
be
able
to
just
crossed
the
street
directly.
A
E
There's
also
a
grading
there's
a
grading
issue.
Unfortunately,
that
also
comes
about
because
of
the
necessity
of
raising
the
building
height
by
one
foot
because
of
the
FEMA
flood
change.
E
You
would
need
a
staircase
here,
so
it
would
not
be
an
accessible
route.
Nor
would
you
have
room
for
a
landing
pad
at
the
end
of
that
crosswalk,
both
of
which
are
Necessities
for
a
safe
Crossing.
E
We
we
have
explored
these
options.
Unfortunately,.
E
As
much
of
a
compromise
as
this
is
with
the
existing
issues,
this
is
the
best
we
were
able
to
do.
We.
B
Okay,
so
it's
it
sounds
like
kind
of
that.
It
is
what
it
is
there,
because
a
lot
of
constraints
I'm,
just
not
just
trying
to
recall
you
still
have
concerns
about
the
facade
Okay,
so
I
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth.
Can
can
we
leave
the
circulation
path,
as
is
under,
given
the
constraints
and
just
focus
next
month
on
the
facade?
Is
that
what
I'm
hearing
or
do
we
still
want
to
push
on
the
population
in
I'm.
L
B
A
lot
of
degrees
of
freedom
here,
but
maybe
someone
else,
has
a
more
creative
idea
than
I
do.
A
Yeah,
to
the
extent
they
can
just
explore,
it
again
try
to
find
a
creative
idea
either
through
maybe
it's
way
binding
or
some
kind
of
help
for
people
who
are
at
the
front
door
to
get
to
the
mixed
view.
Zone
green
star,
all
the
amenities
on
that
side
of
the
project.
I'd
appreciate
it.
But
it
sounds
like
it's
there's
a
lot
of
constraints
here,
which
I
also
understand
CJ.
D
Yeah
I'm,
just
I,
was
surprised
to
hear
that
HDR
stimulate
the
middle
of
working
requirements
as
I
understand
they
defer
to
municipalities
and
local
zone.
So
it's
just
surprised
to
hear
that,
but
this
would
be
great
to
have
documentation
of
you
know
that,
because
that
you
know
that
they
have
to
require,
they
require
a
certain
amount
of
parking
which
doesn't
allow.
G
B
So
Scott
I
just
would
be
clear
that
that
that
you're
you're
leaving
here
in
a
clear
message
and
I
think
the
message
is
to
tweak
or
work
on
the
facade
a
little
bit
and
maybe
give
it
one
more
College
try
on
the
circulation,
but
we
unders.
We
understand
the
constraints
yeah.
If
nothing
more
can
be
done.
B
It
sounds
like
you're
working
this
quite
a
bit
already,
but
the
facades
and
and
just
take
a
second
or
third
or
fourth
crack
at
the
thinking
creatively
on
on
the
circulation
and
then
we'll
we'll
see
you
next
month.
Okay,
Mike,
no.
F
D
The
guy
wires.
This
is
why
we
can't
really
connect
this
building
to
the
rest
of
the
sidewalk.
Just
so
we
can
see
that
we.
O
Get
it
we're
gonna
look
at
this
again
and
I
can
say
that
easily
I
know
that
Jacob
really
has
worked
with
the
engineers
to
try
to
solve
this,
but
we'll
put
that
package
together.
We'll
take
a
look
we'll
look
at
the
plaza
and
we'll
come
back
to
you
we'll
confirm
those
numbers
with
HCR,
CJ,
I,
hope
you're
right.
That
would
be
great,
if
that's
not,
if
we're
under
a
misapprehension
on
that,
because
that
would
open
up
at
potentially
a
door.
O
D
This
and
then
I
want
you
to
come
back
before
you
hear
what
Emily
has
to
say.
Yeah
sorry,
you
know
everyone's
trying
to
wrap
it
up.
If
absolutely
the
front
access
can't
be
made
shorter,
perhaps
the
back
excess
can
be
made
shorter,
I
think
it
takes
a
turn
it
heads
North.
Maybe
it
can
be
a
little
more
direct
around
the
back
corner,
yeah.
D
E
So,
just
just
really
really
quickly
this.
This
is
the
other.
You
know
the
building
is
very
much
Mirror
Image
at
this
side
and
because
of
the
change
again
that
was
approved
at
the
previous
site
plan
update
all
of
the
space
between
the
entrance
and
the
circulation
and
parking.
We
wanted
to
leave
it
clear
and
open
and
to
not
populate
it
with
too
many
objects
in
order
to
facilitate
easy
travel.
So
so
we
were
not
proposing
any
major
changes
to
this
entryway
of
the
building
at.
D
B
Okay,
is
there
anything
else,
Scott
I
think
you've
you're,
clear
sense
of
direction
of
the
boards
that
I
I
think
you
can
address
next
month
and
will
be
good
to
go
so
I
think
we're
done
today.
Thank.
O
B
Okay,
so
next
up
Project
B,
City,
Harper,
101,
Pier,
Road
approval
conditions,
welcome.
Q
For
Jason
crane.
O
Well,
we
wait
for
them,
maybe
you
could
you
begin
Ife
or.
Q
I
think
we
can
get
started
good
evening.
Everyone
so
we're
here
tonight
to
present
you
some
updates
for
the
city
of
her
project,
and
this
is
just
a
general
overview
of
our
set
plan
and,
as
you
know,
that
we're
only
going
to
talk
about
the
golf
course
area
and
also
the
two-pack
launch
site
here
and
here
so
the
golf
course
area.
We
have
been
coordinating
with
the
city
planning
staff
and
DPW
stuff
for
the
past
few
months
and
we
believe
that
we
have
finally
reached
a
consensus
of
the
layout
of
this
area.
Q
We
wanted
to
make
sure
that
our
proposal
is
going
to
work
well
for
the
golf
course
operation.
So
we
have
met
with
the
staff
multiple
times,
and
this
is
our
purpose
layout.
Q
So
we
have
revised
this
new
parking
lot
to
be
a
2.2
sorry
to
have
two
points
of
entries
from
either
pure
Road
or
this
internal
Road
for
under
circulation,
and
also
this
entrance
on
the
side
of
the
parking
lot
aligns
with
parking
on
City
Park,
City,
Harbor
property,
where
we
have
a
few
additional
shared
parking
for
the
city
of
residents
and
also
the
government
people.
Q
And
we
have
proposed
a
video
like
a
hunting
bed
area
to
basically
provide
a
buffer
between
the
machine
and
also
the
right
way
with
The
Pedestrian
area
here,
but
also
allowing
the
golf
cart
or
other
maintenance
vehicles
to
be
able
to
pass
this
area
for
any
maintenance
issues
that
they
may
have.
And
we
have
also
proposed
a
20
feet
fence
on
the
side
of
near
near
Knight
spring,
which,
as
requested
by
the
Newman
golf
course.
Q
But
when
sorry,
people
and
then
this
area
will
be
surrounded
by
a
few
ornamental
trees,
trapped
and
perennials.
To
prevent
a
further
screening
between
those
two
properties
and
the
plenty
for
those
area
are
smaller,
shrubs
and
trees.
But
then,
for
here
we
are
proposing
a
few
straight
trees.
Q
Specifically,
to
turn
around
the
character
that
you
will
experience
on
pure
world
and
then
a
a
few
smaller
ornamental
trees,
so
I
think
we
believe
this
is
the
layout
that
will
work
for
the
development
team
and
also
the
city
and
we'll
continue
working
with
the
city
on
any
like
small
details,
items
regarding
this
area
all
right
and
we're
moving
on
to
the
clock
launch
site
at
the
old
account
location.
Q
So
we
have
heard
some
comments
from
the
board
last
month
and
we
have
one
back
and
we'll
revisit
the
options
that
we
have
and
by
looking
through
the
recommendations
from
the
pack
launch
deadline
created
by
national
service.
Do
you
believe
this
option
works
the
best
for
our
site
in
this
location?
But
we
did
review
layout
on
on
the
plan.
Q
We
have
revised
a
more
straight
line,
as
currently
has
shown
to
be
a
more
curvy
organic
farm,
where
you
will
have
a
different
experiences
different
space
as
you
are
going
down
through
the
Promenade,
and
this
bigger
space
is
basically
where
you
will
load
and
unload
your
track,
and
the
slope
itself
has
increased
by
two
percent.
Q
It
used
to
be
eight
percent
when
we
increased
to
be
ten
percent,
but
we
reviewed
this
slope
is
still
appropriate
for
the
site,
because
this
is
not
an
ADA
accessible
crack
launch
area,
but
then
the
slope
is
up
is
still
going
to
be,
like
grass
gravel
structure
that
we
have
shown
last
time,
which
you
also
see
in
the
following
slide
that
we
had.
Q
We
also
provided
a
few
additional
retaining
wall
at
the
bottom
of
the
slope
to
retain
the
grid
and
also
prevent
sediment
into
the
water
and
then
also
a
strip
of
red,
perhaps
on
the
bottom
of
the
planting
area.
Here.
Q
And
then
the
bunting
plan
for
this
area
didn't
even
change
since
last
time
is
to
have
a
bunch
of
Street
trees
and
also
more
border
friendly
or
I
should
say
more
ecological,
sustainable
plants
in
this
area.
For
for
this
condition,
and
then
we
have
revised
the
water,
basically,
the
edge
of
the
water.
The
current
high
water
mark
is
for
83,
and
so
partial
of
the
slope
itself
will
be
submerging
the
water
as
the
water
goes
up
and
down,
and
then
so.
Q
This
is
the
first
section
that
we
prepared
for
the
slope,
as
you
can
see
that
this
is
the
routine
I
was
talking
about
at
the
bottom
of
the
curve
slope,
and
it
will
be
basically
look
like
this
in
the
photo
and
then
the
stone
back
here
would
be
probably
here
for
people
who
are
getting
to
launch
in
kayaking
getting
out,
they
can
just
have
a
little
space
to
sit
down,
and
then
this
is
the
area
where
people
may
sit
on
the
bench,
and
then
we
have
the
Tempe
Promenade
on
the
site,
and
then
the
structure
for
the
slope
is
to
press
Breville.
Q
Mixed
and
I
have
been
having
the
naturalized
control
line
planting
in
the
background,
and
then
we
have
prepared
another
section
cutting
through
the
plantaria
near
the
Waterfront
Trail.
So
we
will
have
this
similar
punching
on
this
side
and
this
side
to
be
a
more
natural
natural
draw
line,
and
somebody
perhaps
to
stabilize
the
shore.
Furthermore,
than
just
the
planting
itself.
Q
We
are
having
our
golf
course
on
this
corner
and
then
this
is
the
Point
West
Beauty,
so
we're
proposing
a
Ada
track
launch
to
replace
off
the
existing
DOT
office
owned
by
the
city,
and
you
will
have
a
similar
look
like
this
and
this
this
run
from
the
project,
and
we
will
just
basically
just
pick
up
product
and
purchase
through
the
grant
process
and
then
last
time
we
were
here,
we
heard
from
the
planning
board
members
that
you
want
to
see
more
basically
activities
on
this
area.
Q
So
we
are
proposing
attack
racks
for
people
to
put
their
background
or
storage
area
and
also
additional
picnic
table
for
people
who
are
trying
to
wait
for
their
impact
to
go
into
the
water
and
I.
Think
this
is
the
last
page
of
our
presentation
and
we
will
be
able
to
go
back
to
any
slide
that
you
have
questions
with.
I
B
Should
we
move
resolution
and
discussion
or
do
we
want
to
ask
to
have
any
questions?
First?
B
What
do
we
assembly
moves
CJ
seconds?
Okay,
so
now
we're
discussing
the
blue
resolution,
which
is
the
conditioning
that
were
just
presented
to
us.
How
are
we
feeling.
D
D
It
sounds
like
the
Midland
Golf
Course
site
plan
has
been
resolved
with
the
city,
so
I
don't
have
questions
about
that,
but
that
was
kind
of
an
outstanding
thing
for
a
long
time
as
long
as
that,
as
long
as
the
city
is
good
with
it,
then
I
think
this
changes
make
sense
to
me.
So.
I
A
Sustained
yeah,
and
as
long
as
the
the
folks
from
Newman
also
sign
off
on
it
with
a
letter
because
I
know
they've
been
really
adamant
about
like
it
sounds
like
they
were
meeting
with
them.
Friends
of
Newman
golf
course,
so
quite
vocal
in
making
sure
that,
and
also
the
council
person.
D
And
so
we
worked
with
the
superintendent,
Public
Works,
the
director
of
streets
and
facilities
and
the
manager
of
the
golf
course
and
considered
how
you
know
who
know
the
desires
of
the
friends
of
Newman,
but
it's
a
city
facility,
and
so
we
worked
with
them
and
we
came
to
an
agreement
that
this
would
work
for
the
function
of
the
goal:
S
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
the
friends
of
Newman
would
give
a
letter
of
support
for
this,
but
it
was
discussed
at
Great
length
over
many
meetings
about
what
the
best
arrangement
should
operate.
D
A
golf
course
was
good,
but
but
however,
I
do
want
to
add.
I
do
want
to
request
that
we
add
some
conditions
that
were
discussed
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
put
them
memorialized
in
the
in
the
resolution
about
the
final
decisions
about
the
the
that
particular
layout
and
I
can
pull
them
up.
If
you
can
stop
sharing
at
some
point,
I
can
pull
them
up
in
the
exactly
yeah.
D
D
These
were
some
of
the
the
the
additional
things
that
that
things
in
yellow
are
things
that
I
think
should
be
added
as
conditions
of
cyclone
approval,
so
The
netting
has
to
have
an
opaque
element.
The
bottom
10
feet
and
should
be
in
moreover,
angle.
D
D
You
know
some
a
barrier
between
the
parking
area
and
the
chi
boxes
and
they're
discussing
whether
they
want
the
sidewalk
to
Humana,
asphalt
or
concrete,
and
so,
if
we
could,
let
them
make
some
of
those
decisions,
those
final
decisions
and
that
they
don't
have
to
come
back
to
the
board
and
that's
how
we
put
those
words
exactly
as
it
is
here
where.
G
D
Say
you
know
hereby
I
would
say
about
immediate
resolve
that
the
playing
board
is
here
by
Grandpa
conditions,
effects
and
such
and
then
and
and
be
further,
so
that
these
these
additional
conditions?
Yes,
yes,.
G
D
Also,
I
think
that
since
some
of
what
they
they
were
showing
was
Improvement
to
city
land
like
the
accessible
accessible
picnic
table
and
the
kayak
launch
those
things,
it
would
be
good
if
they
were.
If
there
was
flexibility
for
DPW,
to
arrange
that,
based
on
for
the
best
management
of
that
space,
yes,
so
I
would
I
would
suggest
putting
that
into
the
you
know.
The
city
has
the
ability
to
arrange
it.
The
way
they
wanted
are.
B
There
any
objections
to
adding
those
traditional
conditions
because
they
haven't
had
any
objection
to
those
conditions
being
added
nope.
Okay,
so
I
don't
hear
any
objections
between
the
board.
I
mean
you're
interested
to
the
applicant.
So
we're
going
to
amend
the
resolution
as
suggested
by
director.
B
So
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
vote
unless
there
are
other
questions.
Let
me
just
a.
A
Question
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
the
ramps.
Also
I
think
they
seemed
great
and
I
appreciate
the
prep
Edge
and
the
new
planting,
and
that
looks
good.
Just
the
one
question
I
have
is:
how
are
people
coming
to
the
ramp
from
the
parking
area
if
they've
got
a
kayak?
A
A
Q
So
we
see
we
have
a
series
of
parallel
parking
along
the
side
of
Promenade,
so
those
are
parties
will
be
shared
by
Guthrie
visitors
and
also
the
kind
of
college
users.
So
they
will
carry
it
down
there
on
the
set
log.
And
then
we
created
this
new
concrete
path
right
next
to
the
backpacks
where
they
can
pass
and
then
access
the
loan
right
here.
So
Parks
here
and
I'm
turning
the
cup
and
then
go
directly
to
this
area.
B
Right
so
we
have
the
blue
resolution
as
amended
by
Nicholas
I'm,
not
hearing
any
further
questions
or
comments,
so
I
I
think
we
would
be
ready
to
vote
on
this.
D
Sorry
Lisa
there
was,
you
did,
want
a
timeline
on,
but
it
does
say
within
a
timeline
scope,
specific
by
City
staff
and
Dot.
We
do
the
nearly
rewarded
resolution,
yeah
they're,
asking
for
a
change
to
the
resolution
to
the
condition
about
the
phase
two
traffic
study,
and
we
don't
have
a
timeline
for
that.
Yet
what
you
know
what
would
be
you
know
once
we
improve
this
condition?
What
is
the
time
line
for
if
we
don't
we've
talked
about
this
before?
D
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
associate
it
with
a
CEO
or
building
permit,
how
do
we
guarantee
that
this
will
happen
on
a
timeline.
Q
We
actually
have
some
updates
if
you
want
to
period,
so
we
asked
our
traffic
engineer
regarding
this
condition,
so
they
have
done
some
traffic
traffic
and
parking
account
data
last
month
or
sorry
earlier
this
month,
and
then
they
will
meet
the
Guthrie
on
Monday
to
discuss
their
current
operations
like
how
we
Stockton
booster,
they
are
getting
and
what
kind
of
services
they're
providing
and
how
it
may
impact
the
data
they
collected,
and
then
they
will
be
able
to
summarize
an
analysis.
Q
The
sorry
I
don't
see
the
data
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
foreign.
E
I
think
our
our
goal
was
to
have
this
moved
out
of
the
building
permit
requirement,
because
there
is
a
question
about
whether
it
will
be
finished
in
time
for
the
the
permit
application.
We.
We
know
that
it
has
started,
but
there
was
a
need
to
they
couldn't
start
until
after
Guthrie
had
already
been
in
operation
fully
in
operation
for
a
certain
number
of
months,
and
so
that
that
sort
of
pushed
the
timeline
for
the
start
of
that
traffic
study
back.
D
Q
Yeah,
we
would
prefer
if
we
don't
include
this
in
the
building
permit
section
just
because
we
are
going
to
apply
for
beauty
permit
in
the
next
few
weeks
and
I
really
don't
want
this
to
hold
up
our
recruiting.
Permit.
D
R
D
B
Okay,
so
that
passes
unanimously
and
I
think
the
applicant
and
note
that
my
knowledge
of
kayak
Landing
Ranch
improved
extensions.
Of
course,
this
project
I'm
an
expert.
Now
thanks.
D
D
B
All
right,
so
next
up
is
big:
one
literally
445
East
State
Street
State
Street
Apartments.
We
have
approval
of
project
changes.
D
Should
you
choose
to
do
this
approving
either
this
design
or
or
the
previously
approved
design?
So
if
they
choose
not
to
go
for
a
variance
without
intervariance
that
you
build
as
being
ability.
Q
R
D
C
M
Yeah
well,
thank
you
planning,
board
and
and
good
to
see
you
again,
it's
been
a
while.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yes,
okay,
as
Lisa
said
we're
we're
back
in
front
of
you
with
a
modified
plan,
and
this
is
you
know,
a
an
alternative
to
the
approved
plan
that
was
approved
last
fall
by
your
board.
M
It,
however,
is
similar
to
a
preliminary,
well,
a
plan
that
got
preliminary
approval
in
July
of
last
year,
where
we
had
seven
stories
throughout
the
entire
building,
and
what
we've
done
in
this
case
is
is
limit
the
seventh
story
to
The
West
Wing
of
the
building,
leaving
the
East
Wing
as
it
was
in
the
original
or
or
the
final
approval
last
year,
and
so
just
by
way
of
update,
you
know
we
got
the
approval
again
end
of
last
year.
M
We
now
owned
this
property
and
we
have
not
yet
started
construction,
but
have
you're
a
really
strong
desire
to
get
it
going.
Given
you
know
a
pause
that
we
were
going
to
start
this
summer.
We
we
wanted
to
go
back
and
evaluate
the
variance
alternative,
and-
and
this
is
why
we're
back
in
front
of
you
to
see
if
you
know
we
can
get
your
support
for
the
additional
floor
and
then,
ultimately,
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
So
we're.
G
M
Trying
to
position
this
project
to
start
next
year,
q1
Q2
and
you
know
the.
R
M
Request
is
you
know
something?
That's
in
keeping
with
you
know
the
original
design.
It
doesn't
change
footprint,
it
doesn't
change
setbacks,
it
doesn't
change
parking
count.
It
doesn't
change
anything
other
than
adding
a
level
to
the
seventh
floor.
So
as
we
previously
a
pursuit
of
variance.
As
you
know,
we
ultimately
withdrew
that
last
summer
in
kept
the
building
at
six
stories
and
within
the
building
height
allowed
within
cbd60.
So
you
know
that's
a
little
history.
M
The
the
Seeker
approval
or
negative
Seeker
Declaration
was
under
the
original
seventh
floor,
Pro
seven
story
program,
and-
and
thus
you
know
in
essence,
you
know
the
negative
Seeker
would
capture
this
condition
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
current
approved
building
at
six
stories.
M
So
you
know,
as
Lisa
mentioned
we'd
like
to
maintain
the
approval
of
what
was
approved
by
you
at
the
end
of
last
year,
but
in
the
event
that
the
variance
has
approved
by
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
that
we
would
have
your
approval
for
the
edition
of
the
seventh
floor
on
the
west
wing
of
the
building.
A
M
B
I
B
D
Or
no,
the
only
thing
is
I
recall
one
of
our
other
board
members
that
Elizabeth
having
some
concerns
about
the
scale
and
the
massing
I
mean
my
someone
entering
die
is
not
able
to
see
the
difference,
but
I
rely
on
The,
More,
Design
oriented
professional
in
order
to
advise
them.
D
Do
you
follow
me?
I
I,
like
I,
like
the
six
stories
that
we
approved
I,
think
that
it
breaks
up
the
messing.
The
extra
story
as
density
downtown,
where
we
need
it
and
like
Mitch,
was
getting
at
the
materials,
are
high
quality
and
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
other
Pros,
the
Creek
Walk
developing
surface
monkeys.
So
you
know
adding
that
story.
I
think
is
a
benefit
to
breaking
up
the
monotony
of
the
wrist
line.
So
I
fully
support
the
stage.
B
Okay,
well,
I,
absolutely
agree.
I
think
it
looks
better
and
I
think
it
addresses
the
concern
Elizabeth
had
by
especially
from
the
creek
side
that
change
in
the
elevation
would
be
less
obvious
from
the
State
Street
side,
because
there's
so
much
change
in
elevation
in
that
street
already,
but
from
the
flat
area
of
the
creek
I
think
it
increases
the
interest
of
the
building.
So
you
know
this
is
a
large
resolution.
Should
we
go
ahead
and
move
it.
A
Of
resolution
I
just
want
to
add
one
more
thing:
I'm,
really
glad
to
see
this
project
move
forward.
This
is
going
to
be
a
great
building
in
terms
of
its
materiality,
its
high
quality
materials,
and
it's
something
I've
been
talking
about
previously.
With
a
lot
of
buildings,
we've
been
seeing
using
less
expensive
materials
and
not
that
this
is
more
expensive,
but
it's
masonry
It's,
a
combination
of
masonry
and
other
kinds
of
materials.
It
really
breaks
up.
A
B
B
Good
things
from
Emily
and
Mitch
I
say
thumbs
up
from
CJ,
so
I
think
we're
I
agree,
so
I
think
we're
ready
to
go.
B
You
know
the
yellow
proposed
resolution
for
445
East
State
Street,
all
those
in
favor
okay,
so
the
resolution
passes
unanimously.
So
I.
Think
next
item
is
that
we
had
originally
I
correctly
if
I
mistaken
Lisa,
but
we
had
a
recommendation
to
the
beza.
We
can
keep
that
as
is
or
we
can
revisit
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
Revisited.
D
Was
this
was
May
17
2021,
and
it
was
largely
in
response
to
this
being.
The
board
does
not
identify
any
long-term
planning
issues
with
this
proposal
and
supports
the
appeal
the
planning
board
has
worked
for
the
applicant
over.
F
D
Months,
including
going
through
the
design
review
process
to
provide
the
revise
to
refine
the
design
and
minimize
the
perceived
mass
and
height.
This
is
documented
in
the
Thief
Part
3
narrative,
particularly
in
the
section
pertaining
to
impact
strategic
resources
and
impact
to
Historic
resources.
Board
balance
some
of
the
following
factors:
architectural
changes
made
by
the
applicant
to
reduce
the
massive
scale
of
the
building
included,
changing
the
building
construction
type,
so
that
the
width
of
the
fire
lane
could
be
reduced
from
26
feet
to
20
feet
and
adding
additional
Green
Space.
D
Adding
a
Terrace
planting
area
on
the
face
of
the
retaining
wall
of
the
south
end
of
the
site,
facade
modulation
on
the
south
elevation
Creek
Summit,
reducing
the
height
of
the
parapet
and
changing
materials
and
colors,
and
application
on
the
North
elevation
and
the
State
Street
side.
The
topography,
other
factors
that
topography
minimizes
the
look
of
the
building
in
the
public
way.
D
The
applicant
has
worked
with
the
fire
chief
to
devise
a
layout
that
allows
for
trees
and
other
Landscaping
to
be
planted
in
front
of
the
building,
as
well
as
in
a
five
foot
planting
strip
between
the
road
and
the
trail.
Although
five
foot
is
not
ideal,
structural
soil
will
be
used
to
provide
adequate
soil
volumes
for
successful
growth.
The
road
also
incorporates
areas
of
stamp
concrete
for
variation
in
interest
and
to
create
a
closet-like
family.
And
finally,
we
enhance
Public,
Access
and
Trail
onto
city.
Property
is
a
great
benefit.
A
G
A
G
L
So
reducing
the
parapet
at
the
the
north
elevations
is
is
still
the
same.
We
did
it
to
reduce
the
sort
of
the
how
the
volume
comes
out
toward
the
State
Street,
so
we
receded
the
parapet
line
back
to
hide
the
units,
but
we
still
have
the
lower
parabens
so.
H
B
So
I
mean
I
have
an
issue
with
our
concern
I,
even
though
I
guess
I
was
here.
When
we
wrote
this
I
don't
want
the
first
sentence.
The
board
does
not
identify
any
long-term
planning
issues.
I
I,
disagree,
I.
Think
we've
identified
a
lot
of
positive
long-term.
You
know
I
mean
the
word
issues
that
ambiguous
here
but
I
think
I
should
say.
The
board
identifies
many
positive
impacts.
This
project
makes
to
the
comprehensive
plan
to
meeting
the
comprehensive
plan
and
most.
C
B
Yeah
we
find
many
positive
implications
of
this
project
and
I'd
also
add
Mitch's.
Bookend
comment,
I
think
it's
exactly
right
and
we
now
have
really
two
are
hopefully
we'll
soon
have
two
really
high
quality
buildings
on
both
ends
of
the
downtown
Corridor.
Are
there
other
other
things?
I
mean
I,
think
most
it's
in
the
bullets.
Just
we
don't
claim
it
in
the
first
sentence
or
the
other
things
that
were,
and
there
was
access
to
the
the
natural
lands.
I
guess
it
that's
in
there
density
is,
is
in
there
providing
covered
garage.
S
M
Right
I
think
we're
done.
Can
I
ask
a
question,
of
course,
as
you
guys
probably
know,
the
the
use
of
Gateway
Center
is
changing
from
office
to
residential
I.
M
Don't
think
the
work
has
started,
but
that's
you
know
it's
largely
vacant
and
and
that
will
transform
I
think
here,
starting
relatively
soon,
and
you
know
when
we
were
initially
discussing
Gateway
all
Gateway
Center
was
an
office
building
and
the
the
parking
was
going
to
be
such
that
you
had
office
Parkers
during
the
day
and
then
you
know
you
had
available
spaces
in
the
evening
after
hours.
Right
now,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
that
translates
into
given
the
change
of
use
of
our
neighboring
property.
So
I
don't
know
what
we
need
to
do
about
it.
M
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
you
know
known
to
the
group
that
you
know
it's
a
different
use
next
door
and,
and
you
know
so,
the
business
parking
hours
you
know
would
likely
be
residential
hours
and
you
know
likely
greater
usage
during
non-business
hours.
All
right,
it's
nothing.
We
can
control
I
I'm,
just
stating
you
know
we're
committing
parking
back
to
Gateway
Center
and
the.
M
Know
the
use
has
changed
so
I
didn't
want
this
to
be.
B
D
G
U
B
I
guess
I'd
appreciate
that
I've
been
being
forthcoming,
that
perhaps
there'll
be
less
free
public
parking
in
the
evenings
and
weekends
if
there's
more
residents
living
there,
but
on
the
other
hand,
any
more
people
live
in
the
Commons
is
part
one
of
the
things
that
we've
wanted
to
have
happen.
So
I
think
it's
you
know
when
somebody
lose
some,
but
I
think
it
is
what
it
is.
There's.
F
D
Right,
so
there
is
so,
if
you
think
about
like,
for
instance,
the
traffic,
the
trip
generation,
you
know
they're
they're,
adding
residents,
but
not
adding
trip
generation
because
there's
no
parking
for
them
site,
so
it
doesn't
have
traffic
impacts
because
there's
a
parts
available
or
there's
the
same
amount
of
parking.
So
there
will
be
the
same
amount
of
cars
that
you
looked
at
before
any
staff
is
fine
with
no
changes
to
their
transportation,
demand
management
so
going
from
office
to
residential
use.
We
we
are,
you
know
it
was
a
staff
level.
D
G
B
Q
B
M
B
F
B
So
is
Kim.
B
Side
too,
so
we
have
a
salmon
resolution.
Kim
did
you
want
to
walk
us
through
anything
before
we.
J
I
have
a
brief
presentation
with
some
pictures,
but
if
you
don't
need
me
to
give
it,
that's
fine,
the
the
architect
Katya
is
here
today
in
case
there's
any
questions
and
Sarah
Miller
I,
don't
know
if
you've
let
Sarah
Miller
in
yet
the
landscape.
Architect
is
here
as
well
and
Sarah
Martin
from
my
office
is
here
too
so?
Would
you
like
us
to
just
show
some
quick
pictures,
or
do
you
want
to
just
keep
moving.
B
G
B
Right,
so
is
anyone
willing
to
move,
would
like
to
move
the
salmon
resolution.
Cj
moves
Emily
seconds
discussion
of
the
resolution,
questions
for
the
applicant.
B
B
J
B
Right
then,
I
think
we're
we're
ready
for
a
vote.
Oh.
D
D
D
We'll
just
add
the
standard
conditions
yeah,
you
see,
you're
saying
the
ones
that
come
together
in
our
fire
station
resolution
conditions
report
that
was
tomato.
J
D
Just
you
don't
think
you
know
things
like
that
is
you
know
just
maybe
yeah.
Maybe
most
of
them
are
already
done,
but
that's
right.
Yeah
I.
F
I
D
B
B
Q
B
Yes
and
I'm
a
yes
too,
so
maybe
you
have
unanimous
approval.
J
We
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Lisa
or
Nikki
you'll
send
me
a
copy
of
the
final
resolution
once
you
once
you
finalize,
if
you're
going
to
add
a
cut
anything
to
it,
so
that
we
just
have
a
copy
for
our
records.
B
This
is
a
really
spectacular
project
and
I.
Just
can't
wait
to
see
it.
Oh
yeah,
if
you
could
have
a
speaker
that
was
once
in
a
while,
would
play
the
sound
of
a
bad
cracking
a
ball
just
so
I
don't
feel
like
the.
B
B
I
I
B
G
B
F
Great
so
once
again
my
name
is
Bradley
Wells
with
bism
I
have
Laura
Matos
here
and
also
Steve
Hugo
from
Architects
who's
going
to
be
presenting
any
materials
for
you
today.
So
Steve
you
can
take
it
away.
Sure.
V
V
V
Okay,
I
think
we
have
a
very
short
presentation
for
you
tonight
and
I
know:
I
I
think
you're
doing
Secret
determination.
So
it
may
be
a
lot
of
discussion
amongst
all
of
you.
I
started
out
with
this
title
slide,
which
is
a
rendering
that
we
haven't
updated
yet,
but
I
I
will
just
point
out
what
I'm
about
to
show.
V
You
is
an
elevation
update
that
we
presented
at
PRC,
where
we
have
made
some
slight
modifications
to
the
building
elevations,
which
are
the
elimination
of
these
lower
windows
that
originally
went
all
the
way
to
the
floor
and
I
think
both
from
sort
of
sustainability,
standpoint,
Heating
and
Cooling
of
the
spaces,
as
well
as
just
making
the
living
rooms
more
usable.
These
are
pretty
you
know
efficient
Studios,
so
the
wall
surface
is
really
valuable
and
in
just
a
moment
I'll
show
you.
V
Those
elevation
updates,
I
believe
we
did
have
design
review
last
meeting.
So
we
walked
you
through
the
site
plan,
the
planting
plans
and
I'm
happy
to
go
over
them
more
with
you
if
you'd
like,
but
I'll
I'll
go
over
them
pretty
quickly
today.
V
So
we
do
have
the
slightly
sloped
ramp
that
drops
down
from
Bull
Street
to
an
entrance
that
tucks
under
the
building,
and
then
we
have
steps
up
to
a
slightly
raised
entrance
on
Lyndon
and,
as
you
might
remember,
in
the
original
design
we
didn't
have
that
raised
entry
and
after
the
recommendation
from
the
board,
we
have
made
those
changes.
So
in
these
elevation
updates,
you
will
note
that
this
is
where
we
originally
had
these
windows
that
went
to
the
floor
and
instead
we've.
V
What
we've
done
is
to
kind
of
create
the
same
sort
of
conceptual
elevation.
There's
a
change
in
material.
It's
the
the
faux
wood
fiber
cement
that
that
sort
of
spells
out
where
the
bay
window
used
to
be,
and
we
still
have
three
windows
on
one
side,
two
on
the
corner,
as
the
building
turns
the
corner.
V
There
was
one
more
item
which
was
these
Bays,
so
in
the
previous
design,
from
the
first
floor
to
basically
this
wood
band,
that
piece
projected
about
nine
inches
and
we
did
get
a
clarification
from
Megan
that,
because
this
building
is
right
on
the
property
line,
we
were
optimistic,
that
that
could
be
considered
a
projection
by
building
code
and
that
that
would
be
allowed.
But
because
the
because
the
floor
line
also
projected
that
nine
inches
it
would
not
be
allowed
to
extend
into
the
setback.
V
So
so
we
have
eliminated
that
that
nine
inch
overhang,
which
would
you
know,
was
a
pretty
light
overhang.
We
had
on
that
towards
Bull
Street
other
than
that
building
materials
and
the
rest
of
the
design
is
is
the
same
as
we
presented
before
so
I.
Think
with
that
I'll
keep
my
presentation
short
and
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
F
B
Not
seen
any
okay,
so
we
have
the
gray
Seeker
in
front
of
us.
Emily
moves
CJ
seconds.
Okay,
we're
now
discussing
the
Seeker.
I
I
G
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
the
applicant
for
working
with
Cornell
and
is
there
another
agency
to
salvage
materials?
I.
Think
that's
great!
Thank
you.
Oh.
B
A
Projections,
I
think
that's
an
unfortunate
change.
That
was
hoping
this
I
would
say
in
the
project.
A
I
mean
we're
just
it
turns
back
into
a
flat
facade
right,
just
based
on
a
nine
inch
overhang
into
a
setback.
That's
in
the
air
looks
like
it's
not
anything,
that's
impacting
anything
on
the
ground
and
I.
Just
I.
Just
hope
that
we
might
have
a
conversation
at
some
point
about
little
things
like
this,
because
they
make
a
difference.
I
V
I
think
that
would
probably
wreak
havoc
on
our
schedule.
I
don't
know
Bradley.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that?
If
we
were
to
pursue
a
variance,
we
I
guess
we'd
need
a
recommendation
from
this
board
tonight.
We
then
need
to
get
on
the
bza
schedule
and
you
know
make
Bradley
and
Laura.
Maybe
you
can
speak
more
to
that
affecting
our
building.
Permit.
P
I
think
at
this
point,
I,
don't
know
I
think
Steve.
Maybe
we
can
talk
separately
on
like
is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
achieve
that
goal
without
necessarily
needing
to
go
to
busier,
but
I'm
just
really
afraid
that
at
this
point,
especially
with
the
conditions
of
the
market,
construction
costs,
interest
rate
like
every
month
that
we
delay
our
potential
start
date
like
the
project
gets
like
it's
impacted.
So
if
we
would
like
that's
why
we
tried
to
go
as
a
non-variance
project
since
day,
one.
B
A
B
Wow
well
25
minutes
ahead
of
schedule.
So
give
me
five
minutes.
B
All
right,
so
next
up
is
Easter
fire
station.
We
have
secret
determination
and
the
applicant
is
requesting
preliminary
and
Final.
So
let's
bring
them
in.
J
You
should
have
Sarah
Martin
from
my
office
and
possibly
Tom
Parsons
and
possibly
Rob
from
the
fire.
J
We
have
a
presentation
that
we
can
show
last
last
last
meeting.
There
was
a
request
to
maybe
make
the
the
3D
renderings
with
a
little
step
back
view.
So
you
could
see
some
some
neighborhood
context.
J
We
gave
that
to
you
in
your
supplemental
materials,
but
we
can
show
you
that
in
a
presentation
view
as
well
and
in
September,
we
had
some
great
feedback
from
Nikki
about
what
was
needed
for
the
secret
forms,
and
so
we
handed
in
like
a
big
packet
in
September
with
additional
Seeker
information
and
then
the
packet
we
handed
in
this
month,
updated
The,
Illustrated
site
plan
provided
those
additional
renderings
with
neighborhood
context
and
then
also
spoke
to
some
of
the
comments
from
the
from
the
engineering
department
and
the
city.
B
So
one
of
the
great
things
about
having
PRC
in
YouTube
is
I
was
able
to
watch
it
yesterday,
which
is
really
a
great
tool,
so
I
I,
you
know
I
I,
feel
pretty
good,
but
I
want
to
look
at
this
the
rest
of
the
room.
What
present,
what
if
any
of
the
stuff
would
like
to
see
dreams
I've,
seen
shaking
his
head,
so
Kim
I
think
we're
good
for
now,
and
so.
B
Seeker
so
I
mean
once
I'd
like
to
move
to
this
CJ
moves
Emily
seconds.
Is
there
any
discussion.
D
And
what
are
the
differences,
the
differences
or
we
put
in
the
new
drawings
and
then
also
it
was
just
a
strangely
worded
resolution
that
was
number
four,
because
I'm
going
to
vote
for
submission
to
planning
stuff
for
review.
I
said
something
like
submission:
it
wasn't
English
so
for
us
now
programs.
A
Emily
moved
CJ
seconds
we're
now
discussing
it.
Mitch
I
do
have
a
question
about
an
initiative
assets
before
we
did
this,
but
the
wall,
the
retaining
wall
in
the
back
parking
lot
and
what
that's
made
out
of
it
looks
like
it's
two
colors
and
whether
that
could
be
covered
with
climbing
vines.
It
looks
like
a
very
big
wall,
a
very
tall
wall
and
if
there's
any
way
to
mitigate
the
impact
of
that
I'm.
Looking
at
the
Dryden
Road
viewed
North
Korea.
J
Yep
that
right
now
is
proposed
as
a
sheet
piling
wall
and
with
a
concrete
casting
custom,
Place
concrete
cap,
and
we
had
originally
submitted
with
vines,
climbing
up
that
wall
and
the
city
Forester
requested
that
they
be
removed.
J
We're
happy
to
put
them
back
if,
if
that's
a
condition,
you'd
like
to
add
to
the
approval,
her
I
think
her
comment
is
in
the
packet.
Let
me
just
look
at
the
which
page.
D
J
A
J
The
plantings
of
the
base
could
be
could
be
Vine
material.
What
is
it
Parts
in
a
census?
Virginia
Cooper
is
a
really
great
Vise
green
all
summer
bright
red
in
the
fall
really
beautiful.
J
J
A
J
J
D
J
A
B
I
hear
that
since
I
don't
know
anybody,
trees,
I,
there's
a
general
rule
reluctant
to
make
recognition
contrary
to
the
Sydney
Forester.
Is
there
any
way
we
can
square
that
circle,
like
maybe
I
try
to
find
a
Vine
selection?
That
is
that.
B
D
I
Yeah
I
mean
we
have
buy-ins
at
Central
Station
on
some
of
the
walls
now,
so
it's
if
they're
low
maintenance.
It's
not
an
issue.
I
think
Gene
was
concerned
about
the
maintenance
of
these
over
time.
So
I
think
that
was
her
concern.
I
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
buy-ins
I
think
we
can
manage
them
well,.
B
By
knowing
that
fire
department
has
said
they
could
container
okay,
any
other
questions.
B
B
Mitch,
yes,
I'm,
yes,
too,
so
the
approval
is
granted.
B
I
F
G
D
B
Way
ahead
yep,
so
we
have
bism
development
up
at
602,
West
buffalo.
In
a
year,
foreign.
P
And
Steve
will
present
the
citizen
for
you
guys.
V
Hi
everyone
see
if
you
go
with
Holt
Architects
is
oh
there's
Adam
and
your
camera's
working
too
Adam
great,
all
right
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen.
I
V
H
V
Yeah
for
for
tonight's
presentation,
Adam's
going
to
walk
you
through
some
updates
to
probably
the
the
landscaping
and
site
plan
layout
plan.
There
are
some
detail
Pages
which
Adam
I'll.
Let
you
hit
any
of
those
points
that
you'd
like
to
make
tonight
and
then
I
do
have
some
some
slight
modifications
to
the
building
elevations
at
the
end
and
materials.
H
Sure,
if
you
could
go
to
C5
Steve
the
Landscaping
plan,
so
here
I'm
hearing
the
city's
comments
about
wanting
to
put
some
seating
out
front
along
the
Meadow
Street
side
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
Buffalo
Street
side.
We
went
away
from
having
the
park
benches
out
there
and
put
in
the
table
and
chairs.
H
You
know
you
know
kind
of
framing
in
the
center
of
the
re,
the
first
floor
retail
space,
so
we
did
eliminate
some
of
that
Landscaping.
But
again,
that's
taking
you
know.
What's
taking
the
place
of
that,
Landscaping
now
is
the
seating
the
table
and
chairs
we've
kept
the
Landscaping
along
that
Frontage,
the
same
as
it
was
before,
with
some
low-level
Evergreens
and
some
grasses
trying
to
you
know
limit
any
kind
of
screening
of
the
storefront
glass
along
metal
street,
while
also
trying
to
select
a
plant
material.
H
That's
going
to
be
relatively
salt,
tolerant,
you
know
with
the
with
the
traffic
that
we're
going
to
be
seeing
along
North
Meadow.
We
did
hear
some
comments
going
shifting
to
the
north
side,
where
the
fire
lane
is.
We
did
hear
some
comments
about
wanting
to
to
try
to
put
some
Landscaping
back
there
to
bring
the
appeal
forward
for
any
kind
of
recreational
space
back
there.
H
So
if
you
could
zoom
in
Steve
there's
a
couple
one
one
major
thing
working
against
us
back
there
is
that
the
Transformer,
the
pad,
monitor,
transform
that
we're
going
to
need.
You
know
we
need
to
have
a
fire
separation
between
any
combustibles
and
the
Transformer
itself,
so
that
really
limits
what
we're
able
to
put
around
the
Transformer.
H
Typically,
that's
a
10
foot,
clear
zone,
so
we
haven't
put
anything
really
around
the
Transformer,
but
what
we
did
do
is
put
a
wooden
screen
fence
between
where
you
can
see
the
table
and
chairs,
though,
on
the
there
on
the
patio
we
put
the
wooden
screen
fence
there
between
the
patio
and
the
Transformer,
as
well
as
put
in
some
plantings
there
that
are
some
grasses
and
some
some
billies,
as
well
as
some
hydrangeas
and
some
other
decorative
grasses
back
there
as
well
that
side
of
the
building's
not
going
to
get
a
lot
of
sun.
H
But
you
know
we
tried
to
bring
some
of
that
appeal
forward
at
that
recreational
space
and
one
other
thing
that
you'll
see
on
the
site
plan
is
that
Vision
Laura
and
her
team
wanted
us
to
bring
some
appeal
forward
on
the
fire
lane
itself,
instead
of
it
just
being
a
dark
gray,
black
sea
of
asphalt
out
there.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
there
is
to
make
this
a
little
bit
artistic
and
a
honeycomb
pattern.
H
That's
going
to
be
multi-colored,
you
know
to
bring
some
some
additional
appeal
and
to
break
up
the
Sea
of
asphalt
back
there.
That's
really
the
long
and
short
of
of
the
Landscaping
discussion
there.
V
Okay
and
then
in
terms
of
building
building
updates,
I,
don't
I
have
the
previous
elevations
that
we
presented
at
past
meetings,
but
I
want
to
present
to
you
the
two
main
elevations
for
some
comment.
We
as
part
of
our
process,
we
met
with
the
the
counties
Bea
group,
which
I
assume
most
of
you
are
familiar
with,
but
you
know
one
of
their
services
is
to
sit
down
with
us
and
our
our
team
in
a
holistic
way.
V
Our
mechanical
engineers
we're
looking
at
building
and
systems,
and
the
county
provides
some
sort
of
third-party
commentary
on
ways
to
achieve
higher
levels
of
sustainability
and
so
in.
In
those
meetings
with
the
county,
they
challenged
us
and
pushed
us
on.
One
of
the
elements
was
window
to
wall
ratio
and,
while
there
might
be
other
ways
of
achieving
the
the
city
of
ithaca's
code
supplement
with
regard
to
energy,
this
is
part
of
the
city
of
Ithaca
energy
code
supplement,
which
is
to
achieve
a
window
to
wall
ratio
of
less
than
20
percent.
V
Our
previous
design
did
not
achieve
that,
and
so
we
said,
we'd
go
back
and
we'd
take
another
look
and
sort
of
similar
to
what
we
did
at
202
and
with
similar
feedback
from
the
owner
group.
We,
we
still
believe
you
know
for
every
one
of
our
living
rooms.
When
you
see
these
these
semi
groupings
of
three
Windows,
that's
a
a
living
room
that
has
about
six
or
seven
feet
wide
expanse
of
glass
and
looking
into
those
living
rooms.
V
But
we
initially
had
Windows
going
all
the
way
to
the
floor,
and
when
we
did
that
in
every
living
room
we
we
would
not
have
achieved
that
under
20
window
to
wall
ratio.
So
we
challenged
ourselves
and
I
will
say
architecturally,
I'm
kind
of
pleasantly
surprised
that
we
could
maintain
the
spirit
and
the
sort
of
concept
of
the
exterior
development
of
this
building,
which
were
was
this
verticality
of
the
of
the
window
openings,
and
so
we've
done
that
by
creating
sort
of
a
a
secondary
accent.
V
So
there's
a
colorful
accent:
that's
used
in
kind
of
a
more
playful
way
on
the
facade,
but
then
for
every
window.
Opening
there
is
an
upper
section
which
is
transparent,
glass
and
then
the
lower
section
would
be
a
solid
panel,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
this
elevation,
also
I
think
kind
of
remind
people
that,
like
during
the
day
when
you
look
at
buildings,
the
glass
looks
very,
it
is
going
to
look
dark,
so
we
think,
maybe
even
more
so
in
real
life
at
least
the
daytime
experience.
V
V
You
know
what
is
a
reduction
of
glazing,
but
for
sustainable
reasons.
We
I
think
at
PRC,
but
maybe
previously
in
the
planning
board
meetings
we
didn't
present
materials.
We
did
present
that
we
were
looking
at
a
fiber
cement
panel.
We
have
a
few
visual
samples
of
of
those
products.
We
haven't
nailed
down
exactly
what
products
we're
looking
at,
but
we
are
looking
at
something.
This
is
the
Aspire
series,
which
is
a
more
contemporary,
more
modern,
slightly
higher
price
point
than
a
typical
James
Hardy
siding.
V
But
it's
a
fiber
cement
that
has,
you
can
get
a
shiplap,
a
really
more
aesthetically,
pleasing
joint
and
a
joint
pattern
of
kind
of
varying
dimensions
and
textures,
and
so
we
haven't
selected
exactly
what
those
are.
But
we
wanted
to
share
that
product
with
you.
So
that's
the
Aspire
series
and
that's
one
product
we're
looking
at
from
the
window
systems.
We
are
looking
at
something
like
you
know,
an
Anderson
series
window.
V
Again
we
haven't
completely
nailed
down
what
product
or
what
manufacturer,
but
you
know
residential
looking
window
on
the
upper
sections
of
the
of
the
building
and
then
something
with
maybe
a
more
crisp
line.
On
the
ground
floor,
the
there
was
I
think
through
discussions
with
the
board
request,
for
maybe
some
masonry
and-
and
we
I
think
we
talked
about
that
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
believe
the
building
just
north
of
us.
V
Somebody
had
cited
that
there
was
a
a
ground
face,
concrete
block
masonry
unit
that
people
are
quite
happy
about,
so
I
think.
We
also
think
that
that
could
be
a
nice
compliment
and
at
the
ground
floor
where
we
have
retail
and
we
have
Community
spaces
that
the
base
reads
differently
than
the
Upper
Floor
residential
floors
and
I.
V
Think
you
see
that
in
the
building
elevation,
how
the
expression
of
the
ground
is
very
different
than
the
upper
floors,
but
you
know
we
think
masonry
would
be
a
great
material
on
that
on
that
level,
both
just
in
terms
of
being
able
to
be
in
contact
with
that
material.
It'll
be
a
long,
lasting,
durable
material
and
I.
Think
the
only
other
sample
I
had
in
here
is
that
we
were
looking
and
in
terms
of
fiber
cement.
We
just
as
we
haven't
nailed
it
down.
V
We
wanted
to
sort
of
present
a
range
to
you,
so
we're
looking
at
something
like
around
that
Aspire
series,
or
this
is
nichiha,
which
I
think
maybe
many
of
you
are
familiar
with
and
have
probably
seen
on
other
projects
in
the
city
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
the
board
Garrett.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
for
the
update,
Steve
I,
don't
know
I
I
want
to
like
this
project.
It's
a
great
site
and
I'm
glad
that
it's
being
thought
for
redevelopment,
but
I'm
just
having
some
trouble
with
a
couple
of
decisions
here
and
around
the
design
of
the
building
and
I
and
I
feel
like
what
I'm
coming
back
to
is.
It
feels
quite
monolithic,
it
feels
very
large.
It
has
a
flat
roof.
A
There's
just
a
lot
of
things
going
on
there
that
are
better
the
CMU
base.
Yeah
that
that
would
be
fine,
I
think,
but
I
think
there
are
bigger
issues
here
in
it,
and
I'm
also
not
sure
I'm
buying
the
window
to
wall
proportion.
Argument
I
think
it
was
a
much
better
building
with
more
glass
for
the
ceiling
and
it's
a
big
disappointment
to
see
all
those
narrow,
openings
and
I
assume
that
has
to
do
with.
A
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
think
I
agree
with
Mitch
in
terms
of
the
windows
and
the
previous
iteration
was
a
stronger
building.
I
mean
stronger
facade
with
the
larger
windows,
but
you
know
if
it
is
about
sustainability.
I
want
to
support
that
I,
wonder
if
there
are
ways
to
maybe
gang
the
windows
up,
should
they
appear
larger,
but
still
individual
do
you
know
better
than
we
would
about
that?
Is
it.
M
P
Market
rate,
so
we
are
targeting
Workforce
housing
rates,
it's
not
like
rent
monitored
because
we
had
another
product.
We
have
another
project
that
it's
mixed
income
and
we
had
a
lot
of
tenants
that
would
fall
into
the
80
Ami
and
struggle
like
this
gap
between
the
low
income
and
the
the
max
the
market
rate.
This
this
Gap
is
what
we
are
trying
to
reach
here.
P
D
And
then
the
last
thing
that
I'm
curious
about
I
don't
quite
understand
the
circulation
it
seems
like
everything
is,
is
focused
with
the
stair
in
the
elevator
and
the
main
entrance
on
the
south
side,
but
it's
a
really
big
building,
so
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
secondary
or
third
entrances
that
we're
just
not
seeing
yet
so
that
would
be
interesting
to
understand
if
that
North,
you
know
fire
access
place.
Your
hopefully
transforming
into
a
courtyard
is
also
for
pedestrians,
because
I
think
that
impacts
how
we
think
about
it
as
well.
B
Yes,
so
let's
hand
it
back
to
the
applicant,
they
want
a
response.
I
guess
I
would
say.
I
agree
with
everything
that's
been
said.
This
is
a
really
good
site
to
develop
it's
it's
a
neighborhood
with
an
area
with
a
lot
of
buildings
that
could
use
a
refresh,
and
this
is
a
good
start,
I
think
to
get
that
ball
rolling,
but
I
find
Mitch's
comment
compelling
so
at
that
I
you
know
hand
it
back
to
that
and
if
they,
you
know,
have
any
quick
responses
to
that
and
move
on.
V
Yeah,
well,
you
know,
and
maybe
we'll
we
can
respond
to
some
of
these
in
our
next
meeting,
but
I'll
respond
to
what
I
can
tonight
the
there
were.
You
know
we
a
few
meetings
ago,
I
think
we
had
some
conversation
about
the
flatness
and
thing
we
have
actually
made
some
accommodations
along
the
way.
Maybe
I'll
start
by
first
reminding
everyone
that
in
while
this
looks
really
flat
in
elevation,
the
facade
is
undulating.
V
So
when
you
know
especially
on
the
East
facade
when
you're
on
Buffalo
in
Meadow,
what
you're
going
to
really
feel
is
this.
This
gray
piece,
the
headpiece,
which
is
the
corner
and
the
rest
of
the
building,
is
going
to
kind
of
disappear
behind
the
other
structures
and,
of
course,
you'll
see
it
from
a
distance
Beyond
and
around,
but
from
a
massing
standpoint.
This
is
definitely
not
a
very
flat
building
at
a
at
a
large
scale
and
and
and
reacting
to
the
comments
that
we
heard
from
the
planning
board.
There
were
things
like
we.
V
You
know
we
have
pushed
the
building
face
back
on
Meadow
Street,
so
that
there
is
space
that
can
be
occupied
on
Meadow
Street.
So
those
tables
wouldn't
be
there.
If
we
weren't
pushing
the
facade
back,
some
I
think
six
feet,
I,
don't
remember
exactly
what
it
was,
but
you
know
we
were
trying
to
create
those
opportunities
we
did
carve
out.
V
You
know
this
sort
of
trapezoidal
space
to
both
create
three-dimensionality
and
Shadow
line
and,
and
you
know,
and
create
a
covered
entrance
and
also
space
that
residents
or
others
could
occupy
also
along
the
way.
While
you
know
this
building
doesn't
have
five
or
six
foot
steps
in
the
facade.
We
did
talk
about
how
you
know
again.
As
as
Laura
said,
this
project
is
called
the
citizen,
and
you
know
it's,
it
doesn't
meet
the
you
know
the
state's
definition
of
affordable.
V
V
We
thought
that
creating
Shadow
line
on
the
facade
can
be
done
in
some
ways
that
you
know
don't
add
a
tremendous
amount
of
cost,
namely,
as
we
mentioned
a
couple
meetings
ago,
the
ability
that,
where
a
wall
sits
on
a
floor,
there
is
an
ability
that
that
wall
doesn't
have
to
be
right
at
the
outer
extreme
of
the
floor
and
that
the
floor
slab
could
slightly
project
creating
creating
a
shadow
line
at
every
floor
level.
V
So
you
know
we
haven't.
Really.
We
haven't
completely
detailed
that,
but,
whether
that's
you
know
a
five
or
six
inch
reveal.
You
know
we
haven't
quite
determined
and
then
also
when
the
windows
are
placed
in
the
opening
like.
H
V
The
window
sits
in
that
opening
plane
can
also
create
a
shadow
line.
So
looking
at
this
facade,
you
know
I'm
imagining
this
Shadow
line
that
we
see
between
the
four
floors
that
are
hovering
over
the
storefront
and
and
the
sort
of
difference
in
materiality,
and
then
this
sort
of
Shadow
line
play
that
I'm
talking
about
where
the
windows
set
in
the
slab
steps
out.
We
were
also
envisioning.
V
These
accented
colored
panels
that
they
also
could
project
out
as
opposed
to
recessed
in
so
there
might
be
three
or
four
different
elevation
planes
that
are
happening
in
that
facade,
and
then
you
know
just
a
reminder
that
at
you
know
at
this
corner
the
facade
returns
some.
V
You
know
15
20
feet
into
a
glass
slot
and
then
the
the
beige
mask
starts,
and
you
know,
and
then
on
Buffalo
I
think
there
are
opportunities
like
where,
where
we're
sort
of
marking
an
entrance
on
Buffalo,
we
can
create
this
slot
and
sort
of
break
up
that
mass
into
multiple
pieces
so
anyway.
So
those
are
some
ideas
in
response
to
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
along
the
way
and
some
of
those
new
and
some
of
those
from
previous
meetings.
But.
V
P
Ahead,
Lauren
I
would
like
to
add
something:
I
I
really
I
understand
why
you
are
having
this
feeling
and
I
really
feel
like
a
3D
will
help
understanding
the
project
a
bit
better
I
feel
like
when
we
did
that
with
the
gem
to
to
Linden.
It
really
changed
the
understanding
of
the
overall
mass
and
I
think
that
can
be
really
beneficial
for
this
project
too,
and
we
can
work
on
that
for
next
presentation.
P
P
P
The
project
will
be
really
short,
because
that
was
all
we
could
do
so
we
went
through
a
long
discussion
and
negotiation
with
TCA
to
get
that
fire
easement
access,
but
one
of
the
requirements
is
that
we
don't
have
access
there
other
than
the
fire
department.
So
I
feel
like
that
space.
In
the
back
that
we
are
creating,
it
would
be
great.
P
B
So
so
I
think
you
know
we'll
talk
more
about
this
next
month
that
perhaps
maybe
combination
of
small
changes
that
can
be
made
to
the
project,
perhaps
also
with
some
visualizations
or
three-dimensional
models
that
might
help
us
see
different
perspective
on
it.
So
unless.
D
I
just
want
to
say,
I
think
Laura's,
practicing.
I,
think
that
you
know
we
really
need
to.
This
is
part
of
the
reaction.
You're
getting
I
think
is
because
the
drawings
are
really
flat.
So
you
know
we
really
need
to
see
the
details.
The
window
assemblies,
how
the
joints
fit
together,
that
you
know
really
in
detail
and
yeah
I,
think
I
think
a
3D
model
would
be
good,
but
I
also
think
I'm
really
zooming.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
ground
level
perspectives
will
help
a
lot,
especially
from
Meadow
Street
like
taking
an
existing
photograph
and
then
placing
your
building
unit
to
see
what
the
streetscape
look
like
looks
like
and
how
the
building
meets
the
ground,
the
activity
of
the
retail
and
that
corner
the
entrance.
What
it
feels
like
all
the
things
you're
talking
about.
You
really
need
to
see
that
in
perspective,
not
just
the
3D
model,
that's
in
space,
you
know,
but
in
its
context,.
D
Like
to
piggyback
on
that
on
Meadow
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
you
showed
trees
in.
D
And
it
looks
wonderful
in
Meadow,
I'm
going
to
push
for
trees
again,
really
need
it,
and
you
don't
want
to
sit
out
there
on
a
table
without
any
shape.
Without
anything,
so
I
mean
look
at
your
elevation.
The
trees
actually
are
the
the
one.
I
mean
it's
lovely,
but
that
really
draws
your
eye
and
it
looks
nice
with
the
windows
you
can.
You
can
still
very
much
frame
buildings
with
trees
and
I
think
just
getting
into
the
feet
a
little
bit.
D
You
know
it
would
be
great
to
see
this
perspectives
for
the
impact
on
aesthetic
resources
and
also
it's
been
asked
a
few
times
to
see
a
streetscape
of
Buffalo
and
we're
starting
to
see
it
on
that
top
picture.
That
house
looks
really
tiny.
D
What's
that
gonna
look
like
that
scale,
maybe
a
perspective
like
Mitch
was
saying
could
really
show
that
too
like
how
is
that
gonna
how's
it
going
to
fit
in
and
I
think
that
has
a
lot
of
our
feet
to
do
with
consistency
with
Community
character
as
well,
and
please
look
through
the
people.
There's
lots
of
yellow.
We
need
some
materials.
D
If
you
have
any
questions
about
it,
please
ask
and
I
think
for
the
board.
I
would
pay
a
special
attention,
please
to
page
three
impact
on
aesthetic
resources.
It's
kind
of
what
they've
showed.
F
Q
D
D
Get
it
today,
so
thank
you
for
that.
I
am
I
I'm
still
hearing
that
things
haven't
been
resolved
with
fire
access,
so
maybe
they
have
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
caught
up,
but
I
will
definitely
Circle
back.
V
Yeah
Lisa
we
we
have
been
working
on
that
and
I
don't
know
Laura
or
Bradley.
Can
you
say
anything
about
just
sort
of
where
we
are
with
that
process?
So
we've
been
working
on
an
agreement
with
that
neighbor
and
in
a.
G
V
Easement
that
we're
I
think
we're
close
to
being
able
to
share
with
the
appropriate
parties.
Yes,.
D
So
it's
it
is
in
effect
it's
now
40
higher
than
state
code
in
January
January
1st
will
go
to
18.,
so
I'm
sure
you
must
be
aware
of
that
does
have.
G
D
The
energy
code
supplement-
and
you
know
that
happens
at
the
building
when
they're
pulling
their
permit,
but
obviously
that
the
valuation
happens
at
that
time.
But
you
know
you
should
be
working
with
building.
D
B
I
think
we're
done
for
today.
So
thank
God
again
and
thank.
V
B
You
everyone,
so
next
up
is
squeaky,
clean.
B
No
action
items
but
again
I'm
going
to
review
the
thief
and
a
presentation.
Maybe
some
discussions
of
Titus
Avenue.
U
Good
evening,
everyone
I'm
David
Herrick
with
TG,
Miller
and
I,
believe
we
should
have
David
Carusi
joining
us
he's
our
transportation
consultant.
I
hope
he's
here.
P
F
U
Great
okay:
well,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight,
we'll
we'll
try
to
honor
your
your
pace
here,
but
there
is.
There
is
quite
a
bit
to
talk
about
here
relative
to
what
we
see
is
the
highlighted,
and
perhaps
the
critical
discussion
points
in
in
the
draft
part.
Three,
that's
on
the
agenda
to
be
reviewed.
U
I
would
like
to
introduce
Margot
chutan,
our
landscape,
architect,
the
John
Snyder,
the
architect,
Gary
Sloan,
the
applicant
David
cruzy
who's,
our
transportation
consultant
and
I
expect
David
I'm
going
to
lean
on
you
quite
a
bit
tonight.
So
so
what
we'd
like
to
do
it
very
quickly
is
summarize
what
our
focus
is
and
and
certainly
get
to
to
talking
about
the
important
aspects
of
the
the
part
three.
U
We
did
submit
some
additional
Landscaping
enhancements
that
came
out
of
input
that
received
from
the
board
back
in
September,
and
then
we
want
to
jump
right
into
the
traffic
and
the
community
plan
discussion,
as
I
mentioned
that
are
highlighted
in
the
draft
part.
Three
I'll
share
my
screen.
U
U
So
we
can
get
to.
We
can
certainly
talk
about
the
landscape
changes
when
the
when
the
board
feels
it
appropriate,
but
this
was
one
modification
that
we
made
at
the
the
bull
nose
of
the
intersection
again
in
response
to
the
input
that
we
got
from
you
folks
in
in
September.
So
why
are
we
even
proposing
access
on
South
Titus?
U
This
slide
depicts
the
queuing
situation
that
happens
frequently
at
the
signalized
intersection
of
South
meta
and
South
Titus.
So
these
red
bars
represent
the
stacking
of
vehicles
that
are
at
the
signal
and,
as
you
can
see,
for
these
two
peak
hour
periods,
that
David
did.
The
analysis
for
all
of
our
Frontage
is,
is
blocked
off
with
stack
traffic
on
South
Meadow.
U
This
is
why
we've
turned
to
South
Titus,
which
currently
has
four
curb
cuts
and
we're
proposing
the
one
and
have
no
curb
cuts
on
on
South
Meadow
Street
David
I
would
appreciate
you
having
some
input
on
these
next,
several
slides
that
speak
to
the
traffic
impact
study
that
was
prepared
and
presented
back
earlier
this
year
back
in
May,
we
we
captured
some
of
the
slides
or
the
figures
that
are
in
the
traffic
impact
study
and
we
just
enhanced
them.
U
So
we
could
draw
attention
to
what
we
see
as
the
the
data
that
suggests
we
don't
present
a
significant
impact
to
the
neighborhood
with
our
site
generated
traffic.
So
David,
do
you
want
to
speak
to
this.
N
So
what
you're
seeing
here
is
you've
got
the
existing
volume
diagram
on
the
left
and
the
David
cruzy
by
the
way
Pastor
Associates
you're,
seeing
the
existing
volume
diagram
here
on
the
left
and
those
are
counts
that
we
recently
took
as
part
of
this
project
and
as
part
of
the
scoping
with
the
city
as
well.
N
We
took
these
counts
during
the
peak
hours
during
a
PM
Peak
period
and
a
Saturday
Peak
period
and
as
Dave
alluded
to,
we
also
did
a
Northbound
queuing
study
at
the
signal
of
Meadow
Street
in
in
Titus
and,
as
he
accurately
pointed
out,
the
queuing
study
resulted
in
a
very
a
frequently
blocked
Frontage
for
the
project
site
during
both
peak
hours,
particularly
the
PMP
Tower
Empower
is
going
to
have
a
little
more
traffic
than
the
Saturday
condition,
and
so
we
took
that
we
overlaid.
N
We,
we
added
a
a
growth
rate
to
our
volumes,
to
account
for
any
potential
ambient
growth
in
the
area.
Project
is
proposed
to
be
fairly
quick
built
in
within
a
year,
and
then
we
looked
at
potential
trip.
Distribution
at
the
site
driveway
under
the
current
condition
of
the
axis
on
the
Titus
I.
N
Do
want
to
take
a
brief
step
back
and
say
that
the
report
under
the
queuing
section
Ed
that
the
access
is
continually
proposed
or
was
continued
to
be
proposed
on
Titus,
despite
some
previous
comments
by
the
city,
with
a
desire
for
retention
of
the
Meadow
Street
access
points
is
basically
quite
simply
because
of
the
New
York
State
DOT,
in
our
experience
with
them
and
their
intentions
on
access
management
and
sticking
to
access
management
guidelines,
and
one
of
them
being
reducing
the
number
of
curb,
Cuts
or
perhaps
eliminating
them
all
together
with
access
to
minor
roads.
N
Other
minor
roads
existing
minor
roads
along
major
arterial
roads
such
as
Meadow
Street,
which
is
a
heavily
trafficked
road.
So
we
looked
at
the
trip
distribution
and
assumed
that
there
would
be
some
traffic
going
to
and
from
the
south
of
the
site,
going
down
tightest
and
fair
and
some
traffic
going
through
the
neighborhood
and
coming
from
the
neighborhood
as
well.
N
But
the
majority
of
the
traffic
in
the
study
we
estimated
about
80
or
so
would
be
coming
from
Meadow
Street,
just
simply
given
the
number
of
vehicles
that
are
traveling
along
that
road,
as
well
as
basically
just
the
volume
of
traffic
that
you
know,
the
generators
population
centers
employment,
centers
of
where
people
would
be
coming
from,
and
so
looking
at
that
we
performed
our
Capacity
Analysis
at
each
of
these
study
intersections.
N
We
looked
at
existing
background
and
future
development
conditions
and
so
layering
that,
on
we
take
our
trip,
distribution
and
establish
our
site
generated
trips
and
assign
that
to
the
various
movements
and
to
the
various
intersections
within
our
study
area,
trip,
distribution
or
excuse
me,
the
trip
generation.
N
N
N
We
see
that
there's
approximately
9
to
12
vehicle
trips
that
would
be
traveling
to
and
from
the
south
of
the
site,
so
traveling
down
to
Titus,
while
the
remainder
traveled
to
and
from
the
site
from
the
north
or
using
cease
Malone
and
Meadow
Street
intersection,
and
then
traffic
splits
off
from
there.
Looking
at
the
Capacity
Analysis
how
well
the
intersections
operate,
we
don't
see
any
significant
changes.
N
There
are
some
minor
impacts,
minor
increases
in
delays,
but
nothing
that
would
be
significant
adverse
impacts
that
this
state
would
require,
or
the
city
would
require
certain
mitigations,
perhaps
capacity
mitigations,
to
to
alleviate.
In
fact,
we
just
recently
received
comment
from
the
New
York
State
DOT.
N
This
study,
the
May
2022
study,
was
submitted
to
New
York
State
DOT,
and
they
wrote
back
saying
that
they
agree
with
the
conclusions
in
the
traffic
study,
most
notably
the
access
points
along
Meadow
Street,
and
they
they
took
it
a
step
further
to
say
that
those
curb
Cuts
shall
be
removed
during
construction
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
option
or
intention
of
using
those
in
the
future
and
that
access
B
opposed
and
provided
via
Titus.
N
U
And
I
would
point
out
that
we
also
in
our
submission
to
the
city,
had
David
complete,
puts
known
as
addendum
to
the
2022
tis
and
that
addresses
what
the
traffic
distribution
and
impacts
on
the
local
streets
and
the
intersection
would
look
like
if,
in
the
future,
Fair
Street
and
South
Titus
Avenue,
a
portion
of
it
were
close
to
through
traffic.
U
So
I
I
would
stop
at
this
point
and
ask
the
board
and
staff
if
there
are
any
questions
related
to
what
we
have
presented
and
discussed
and
shared
on
the
on
the
traffic
impact
study.
Before
we
go
on
to
talk
about
Community
plans,.
D
I
G
D
D
N
Gary
can
probably
speak
a
little
more
to
daily
operations
at
these
typical
sites.
I
would
just
interject
and
say
that
it's
not
just
it's
not
a
straight
line
projection
from
peak
hours
to
daily
traffic,
because
there
are
variations
throughout
the
day.
We've
looked
at
am
counts
at
a
similar
type
of
facility,
a
royal
Car
Wash
and
found
that
they're
they're
fairly
low
compared
to
or
certainly
significantly
lower,
compared
to
the
PM
or
Saturday
peak
hours
and
there's
certainly
variations
throughout
the
time
of
the
day,
as
as
people
are
moving
around.
So.
D
Yeah,
that's
helpful.
I
mean
it's
hard
to
understand
the
impact
on
the
neighborhood
for
me
for
an
hour,
but
understanding
that
it's
probably
far
less
than
100
today,
maybe
it's
even
50
or
60
a
day,
but
that
is
helpful.
Thank
you
for
50
or
60
per
hour,
yeah
or
so
I
thought
it
was
12
per
hour.
Sometimes,
okay,
that's
right!
I'm.
B
Just
thinking
of
Chinese,
should
we
go
on
to
the
community.
D
Doesn't
because
it
doesn't
make
logical
sense
to
me
that
80
of
the
traffic
would
come
off
of
meadow
to
South
Titus
directly
I'd
like
to
know
more
about
how
you
got
you
made
that
assumption,
because
you're
saying
it's
so
congested
in
front
of
the
the
property
that
you
can't
have
a
curb
cut,
but
yet
people
would
wait
or
wait
there
to
turn
onto
some
tightness
rather
than
going
through
the
neighborhood,
or
we
all
know
how
difficult
that
intersection
is
so
I.
Can
you
help
me
understand
that?
D
N
It's
not
that,
although
there
may
be
some
moderate
to
Long
delays
at
times,
I
would
say
moderate.
It's
a
lot,
yeah
moderate
along
delays
at
times
that
intersection.
N
What
we
were
saying
for
the
blockage
of
the
curb
Cuts
is
that
you
know
those
vehicle
cues
occur
primarily
when
this.
The
the
signal
for
the
Northbound
southbound
approaches
are,
are
red,
and
so
you
know
when
those
when
those
turn
green,
those
approaches
do
clear
up
and
and
traffic
is
able
to
move
through
the
intersection
I'm,
not
going
to
say
it.
It
operates
at
level
service,
a
and
and
you're.
N
You
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
free
operative,
free-flowing
intersection,
but
there's
certainly
some
capacity
there
for
people
to
to
Flow,
In
and
Out
flow
through
the
intersection
and
really
simply
just
the
the
80
percent.
Excuse,
you
know
it.
N
Traffic
engineering,
when
it
comes
to
distribution,
can
be
a
bit
of
a
certainly
a
judgment.
Call
I
I
know
speaking
with
other
engineers
and
even
County,
and
state
DOT
officials
who
review
our
studies
that
you
can
get
for
engineers
in
a
room,
and
four
of
them
may
have
a
slightly
different
opinion
on,
say,
distribution,
and
so
the
80
percent
you
know
is,
is
really
based
on.
Where
are
this?
Where
is
the
traffic
coming
from?
Where
is
it?
N
Where
is
it
coming
from,
and
how
is
it
passing
the
site
and
and
really
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
traffic
that
is
coming
through?
This
area
is
coming
from
Meadow
Street,
whether
it's
from
the
south
or
from
the
north
down
Clinton
Street,
as
well
as
Fulton
to
very
heavily
traveled
roadways
as
well.
So
you
know
you
may
have
some
daily
variation
and
there
may
be
times
when
people
would
travel
to
the
site
in
a
different
manner
as
they
learn
how
to
travel
through
the
study
area.
D
To
adjust
any
existing
conditions
diagram
on
the
left,
doesn't
it
already
say
that
more
traffic
is
coming
from
fair
and
tightest
than
is
coming
from
Meadows?
Doesn't
that
isn't
that
what
that
says?
So
how
would
then?
Why
would
it
suddenly
change
that
80
percent
would
then
come
from
Meadow
onto
Titus
and
not
hear
the
neighborhood,
because.
N
That's
when,
when
we
put
together
a
distribution
figure,
we
don't
just
look
at
what's
passing
the
proposed
driveway,
we
look
at
the
whole
area
ballistically
and
we
try
to
figure
out
based
on
where
population
is
based
on
where
the
service
area
is
or
or
clientele
may
be.
Passing
you
know
in
this
case,
you've
got
a
thousand
vehicles
just
in
through
approach
and
per
approach
during
the
PM
peak
hour,
compared
to
26
vehicles
coming
up
Titus
or
in
the
in
the
opposite
direction.
18..
N
Titus
is
used
as
a
cut
through
or
at
least
as
a
through
Street
to
bypass
South,
and
that
can
make
sense
that
certainly
makes
sense
of
why
people
are
and
how
people
may
be
using
it.
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
exactly
sure.
N
That's
that's
my
professional
opinion,
but
it's
certainly
not
my
my
lived
opinion
down
there,
but
just
just
the
fact
that
you've
got
2
000
Vehicles
along
Meadow
Street,
compared
to
about
40
coming
from
Titus
on
that
that
area,
that's
a
significant
draw
of
traffic
and
especially
in
car
washes,
can
be
a
pass
by.
You
said
this.
N
This
study
didn't
look
at
pass
by
traffic
passed
by
traffic
and
actually
reduced
the
number
of
new
vehicle
trips
that
are
assigned
or
added
to
a
roadway
in
that
people
are
already
traveling
to
site.
N
I
want
to
stop
to
get
my
car
wash
or
I
want
to
stop
and
get
gas
and
I'm
just
traveling
past
the
site,
and
then
I
continue
on
it's
not
a
destination
for
me,
but
literally
it's
just
a
pass-by
opportunity,
and
so
there
can
be
that
in
play,
and
so
that
would
actually
reduce
the
number
of
vehicle
trips
new
vehicle
trips
that
would
be
traveling
to
and
from
either
Meadow
Street
or
or
the
neighborhood.
N
S
David
you
just
a
chair,
I
know,
Emily
had
a
question
there.
Also
that
I
just
want
to
call
out
that
this
study
is
really
answering
Peak
situations
and
and
they're
kind
of
short
windows.
If
you
will,
when
you
look
at
a
whole
day,
we
also
get
days
when
it
rains,
we
get.
You
know
cloudy
days
a
lot
of
cloudy
days,
and,
and
you
know,
the
study
is
really
not
pointing
it's
looking
at
the
most
extreme
situation
and
what
may
occur
we
know
from
operating.
U
There's
there's
one
other
point:
I
think
that
we'd
like
to
respond
to,
and
as
I
mentioned,
our
our
reason
for
South
Titus
is
is
because
of
the
blockage
on
South
Meadow.
We're
not
it's
not
because
we
don't
have
sufficient
room
on
our
site
to
accommodate
the
cued
traffic
on
the
site.
We're
not
envisioning
and
Gary
doesn't
allow
for
vehicles
to
back
up
on
the
public
street.
U
So
I
think
there
was
an
inference
made
earlier
tonight
that
we're
doing
this,
because
we
need
to
use
cell
Titus
as
as
a
queue
line
for
for
the
tunnel,
and
that's
not
the
case
and
Gary.
You
can
certainly
speak
to
what
and
how
you've
managed
that
on
your
other
facilities,
yeah.
S
I
mean
we
never
wind
up
on
the
road
and
there's
a
few
reasons
for
it,
a
even
if
we're,
if
we're
doing
60
cars
an
hour
or
doing
a
car,
every
minute,
you'll
get
some
surges
of
vehicles
coming
in,
but
our
sites
are
designed
both
on
Myra,
road
and
triphammer
road,
which
you
may
have
some
familiarity
with,
where
we
can
create
a
second
lane
and
so
99.99
of
the
time
we're
stacking
with
one
lane
internally
on
the
site
on
peak
days,
we
greet
people
out
six
or
eight
cars.
S
We
have
tablets
that
we
greet
them
with.
They
have
credit
card
readers
and
everything
needed
to
make
the
transaction
and
so
we're
traffic
managing
in
internally,
and
if
we
do
get
a
peak
surge,
we
create
two
lanes
until
we
process
those
vehicles
and
can
get
back
to
one
lane,
but
we
literally
never
wind
up
off
the
site.
U
And
just
to
clarify
we've,
as
Gary
mentioned,
we've
accommodated
for
the
possibility
of
having
two
lanesworth
of
Vehicles
approach.
The
entrance
of
the
tunnel
with
our
with
our
Drive
geometry.
U
U
Yep,
obviously
we're
we're
well
aware
of
the
the
planning
relative
to
the
greater
South
Side
neighborhood
plan.
We
also
understand
that
there
have
been
some
some
Concepts
about
the
bike
bike
Network.
U
We
took
this
and
we
went
out
on
a
little
bit
of
a
limb
here
to
suggest
how
we
could
you
know:
co-locate
the
access
from
South
Titus,
with
some
expanded,
Green
Space
creation
along
Six,
Mile
Creek,
essentially,
the
the
tightest
triangle
and
I
just
want
to
touch
very
quickly
on
some
of
our
thought
process.
U
This
is
not
endorsed
by
anyone.
It
was
simply
a
voluntary
effort
on
our
part,
just
to
see
how
things
might
play
out,
but
Fair
Street
there's.
There
are
residences
that
currently
have
Curb
cuts
and
driveways
on
Fair
Street,
so
we've
represented
here
whether
or
not
this
would
be
a
condition
in
the
future
or
not
is
somewhat
irrelevant,
but
we
feel
that
there
could
be
some
accommodation
in
expanded,
Green
Space
and
still
provide
some
access
for
Fair
Street
landowners
and
then
the
the
use
of
a
portion
of
South
Titus
for
our
access.
U
This
represents
about
240
feet
of
Titus.
It
leaves
a
space
in
between
our
concept,
sketchier
of
over
450
feet
of
of
what
might
be
converted
from
Road
section
to
additional
Green
Space
again.
This
was
only
prepared
just
to
show
that
there
there
could
be
a
possibility
of
co-locating
these
two
uses.
U
We
don't
feel
that
that
the
access
precludes
the
overall
Vision,
but
perhaps
the
extent
of
its
footprint
and
to
help
connect
up
what
we
would
see
as
the
expanded
Titus
triangle.
With
the
intersection
at
the
South
Meadow,
we
feel
that
there
could
be
a
modification
of
a
portion
of
South
Titus
to
accommodate
a
multi-use
width
type
Trail,
and
that
could
be
done
by
narrowing
up
the
pavement
width
on
South
Titus,
so
moving
the
curb
facilitate
some
additional
Creekside
Green
Space
for
multi-use
trail
all
right
now.
U
This
is
this
was
all
pretty
much
summarized
in
our
cover
letter
to
to
the
city
and
certainly
would
like
now
to
get
your
input.
Your
thoughts
on
on
how
we're
addressing
those
two
important
issues
in
the
draft
part.
Three.
I
D
A
You
know,
for
my
purpose,
looks
like
an
interesting
concept
that
seeks
to
compromise
between
development
of
a
site
that
needs
help
at
a
really
crucial
Gateway
of
Meadow,
Street
and
I
think
450
feet
new
landscape.
That
replaces
a
road
as
a
win
president
community
and
it
allows
access
to
unfair
to
existing
homes,
and
it
suggests
an
approval
of
that
triangle
into
Community.
Gardens
I
think
narrowing
Titus
for
even
more
space
to
allow
a
pat
to
go
through
there.
D
Yeah
I
agree:
I
I
keep
coming
back
to
this
idea
that
a
car
wash
is
peak
in
the
winter
and
the
Six
Mile
Creek
work
and
connection
to
speak
in
the
summer,
and
so
I
really
do
think
that
this
could
be
a
compatible
win.
D
I'm
hearing
what
community
folks
in
the
community
that
actually
live
on
these
streets
are
saying,
but
I
also
think
that
this
could
really
provide
a
good
reason
for
the
corner
and
the
moment
we
could
just
somehow
making
three
bar
happen
as
part
of
the
project
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
sunduck
but
but
I
appreciate
the
applicant.
Putting
this
idea
forward
and
I
can
see
how
both
uses
could
exist.
B
Okay,
well,
I'm
gonna
have
a
similar
view,
which
is
I.
I
was
uncomfortable
in
our
discussion
this
project
last
month,
in
the
sense
that
I,
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
how
to
direct
an
applicant
to
respond
to
a
hypothetical
plan
that,
to
my
knowledge,
has
no
funding
or
really
any
to
any
real
support
behind
it,
maybe
I'm
wrong.
B
Nonetheless,
you
know
you
hate
to
task
committee
with
going
through
the
process
of
developing
a
plan
and
then
make
that
plan
totally
feasible,
but
I
think
the
applicants
actually
done
the
heavy
lifting
for
us
and
shown
that
the
at
least
the
majority
of
what
was
in
the
the
plan
could
still
be
accomplished.
Even
if
this
car
wash
is
built
and
I
guess
what
I'd
say
is
also
I.
B
You
know
I've
read
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
and
it
does
say
you
know,
let's,
let's
suppose
the
traffic
report
is
completely
wrong
and
all
the
cars
come
from
tightest
I
mean.
Then
then
the
city
has
the
option.
To
close
it,
I
mean
the
city
can
de
facto
say
no,
the
cars
have
to
come
from
Meadow
by
by
closing
Titus
and
there's.
You
know.
There's
a
quasi
plan
to.
B
Sort
of
think
that
now
it's
back
it's
back
on
the
city,
we
want
to
make
Titus
a
park.
You
know
this
action's
not
foreclosing
on
that
possibility.
So
that's
my
thought
so
I
guess
I
think
the
applicant
for
you
know
I
giving
credit
to
the
applicant
for
writing,
walking
away
with
ambiguous
directions
last
month
and
sort
of
clarifying
and
coming
back,
you
know,
I
I
think
we're
good
I
mean
my
personally.
B
C
B
So
then,
that
so
that
that's
the
concern
I've,
never
because
I've
never
done
it.
So
it
was
so
I
feel
good
about
this
and
I.
It's
me
I,
you
know,
I
think
the
traffic
in
Titus
issue
has
been
to
me
solved
and
then
we
come
back
to
you
know.
This
has
been
terrible
sight
right
now
and
you
know
I
think
this
is
as
far
as
car
washes
go
a
pretty
attractive.
One
so
I
mean
you
know
others
jump
in.
Are
there
I
think
we're
ready
to.
D
Move
on,
let's
say
there
is
some
interesting
precedent
for
over
on
Titus
the
north
side
of
Titus,
where
it's
dead
ends
at
CBS.
So
it's
not
the
landish,
an
idea.
I,
don't
think
I
mean
I.
Think
you
know,
engineering
will
have
to
help
develop
some
cost
instruments.
D
I
would
say-
and
you
know
obviously
the
city
would
have
to
accept
the
dedication
and
you
know,
plan
I
mean
take
a
little
bit
to
you
know,
make
those
the
concept
plan
into
reality
and
then
for
the
city
to
accept
it
and
be
have
it
built
to
their
standard.
But
it's
not
like
I
mean
it's
right
across
the
you
know
the
creek
that
there's
a
similar.
S
Yeah,
at
least
so
we
would
not
have
a
problem
with
with
Titus
Avenue
being
closed
when
we
put
the
time
and
energy
into
it,
we,
as
long
as
we
have
access
to
get
in
and
out
of
the
site
if
it
was
closed
after
a
curb
cut.
You
certainly
would
not
object
to
that.
S
We
support
the
study
that
was
done
and
would
like
look
for
a
compromise
here
where,
where
it
could
work
for
for
everyone,
and
we
put
our
best
foot
forward
by
building
that
model,
if
you
will,
it
was
our
best
guess
at
what
the
city
was
looking
to
achieve
there.
S
So
we
would
absolutely
agree
that
as
long
as
we
can
Ingress,
you
know
our
transition
piece
there
and
that's
why
we
put
this
forward
that
if
we
had
no
ingression
Ingress
from
Titus
at
all
to
our
curb
cut,
we
would
be
fine
with
that.
As
long
as
we
have
Ingress
and
egress
from
South
Meadow,
which
that
drawing
kind
of
illustrates.
A
D
G
D
Titus
but
right
before
the
pandemic,
they
were
seeking
grants
to
look
into
this.
D
S
So
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
at
the
South
Meadow
at
the
at
Elmira
Road
site
is,
if
we're
having
days
that
are
peak
days,
we
have
a
sign
that
we
put
out
there
that
instructs
people
to
make
right
turnout
only
and
to
not
try
to
make
a
left
across
Meadow
and
one
we
We
Know
by
putting
that
out
there
that
we
get
a
pretty
positive
response
to
that
so
and
I
know
David.
S
Your
traffic
impact
study
does
not
address
this,
but
with
this
with
the
amount
of
traffic
on
a
peak
hour,
that's
going
down
Titus
we
can.
We
really
believe
that
we
can
soften
that
by
having
a
sign,
encouraging
people
to
make
the
left
out
in
exiting
and
go
back
out
to
Meadow,
and
so
certainly
we
will
not
get
a
hundred
percent
cooperation,
but
we
will
get
a
pretty
significant
amount
of
people
that
will
adhere
to
that.
N
Yeah
I've
seen
there's
a
site
or
Royal
car
wash
here
in
Rochester
along
Jefferson
Road
that
it's
it's
a
it's
a
challenging
site
to
get
out
of,
to
make
a
left
out
of
onto
Jefferson
Road
and
to
reduce
those
potential
turns
during
either
the
midday
hours
or
maybe
during
peak
hours.
N
But
I've
seen
it
during
midday
when
I've
traveled
to
it,
they
almost
put
a
they
put
traffic
hones
down
and
have
it
angled
where
it's
almost
like
you're
you're
funneled
to
the
right,
your
funnel
to
make
a
right
out
of
the
site.
N
That's
you
know,
that's
a
very
interim,
very
soft
and
and
temporary
measure
that
can
have
some
Effectiveness
to
reduce.
You
know
those
those
handful
of
cars
that
you're
trying
to
soften.
D
F
D
Yeah
at
the
very
they
were
very
intimate.
They
also
thought
I,
think
Marshall
said
it
really
well
about
it.
For
the
public
comment,
they're
also
thinking
higher
density
and
higher
buildings
on
that
very
block,
so
just
starting
that
out
there.
That
was
the
zoning.
So
if
that
could
still
happen
with
our
concept,
that's
fine
I,
don't
I,
don't
know!
I
haven't,
but
I
just
want
to
speak
to
the
community.
There
myself.
B
Okay,
so
just
to
kind
of
wrap
up
on
some
of
the
paperwork
here,
I
mean
it
sounds
like
then.
What
you
now
know
about
consistency
with
infinity
plans
needs
to
be
reflected
on
page
six
of
the
part,
three
I'm.
Sorry,
the
part
two
yeah,
the
part
three-
and
this
is
I
mean
this
is
not
a
legendary.
B
So
so
we
just
need
to
update
impact
of
Transportation.
We
don't
have
new
information,
so
the
part
three
needs
to
be
updated,
I
mean
so
we
can
move
forward
with
secret.
Maybe
next
month
we
can
get
this
all
updated,
and
just
for
my
money,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
seen
things
on
part
three
that
we
need
to
include,
but
I'm.
B
B
Might
send
it
I
didn't
see
already
just
to
be
in
here
if
it
isn't
yeah.
B
Okay,
well
I
think
then
you
know
thanks
to
the
yeah
sorry,
this.
O
It
was
a
printer
error.
I
could
give
you
the
actual
color
I
apologize
for
that.
B
O
U
B
S
One
of
the
things
we
did
work
on
John
was
the
blues
in
intake
taking
the
logo
and
and
finding
a
blue
that
would
soften
that.
Concern
and
John
had
showed
me
so
many
blues
that
I
couldn't
really
really
know
which
phone
was
best,
but
we're
certainly
looking
at
that
right,
yeah
and
but
and
I
haven't
selected
a
blue
because
I'm
gonna
need
some
more
help
from
John
to
do
that
and
and
to
address
that
concern
that
you
had
about
the
sign
jumping
out.
So,
but
it's
not.
O
G
M
F
F
U
Other
comments
on
this
if
I
could,
just
if
I,
could
beg
one
more
minute,
any
any
thoughts
or
reaction
to
to
the
additional
Landscaping
and
I
can
put
the
image
back
up
if
it
helps.
A
Know,
I
I
keep
saying
to
expand
the
landscape
throughout
the
whole
bed
throughout
the
whole
Frontage
on
Meadow,
and
you
know
it's
still
looking
like
independent
beds,
Standalone
beds
and
you
know,
I
think
it
needs
to
be
really
taking
up
that
whole
edge
of
the
parking
lot
with
no
with
no
grass.
So
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
B
U
Well,
we
we
appreciate
that
that
input,
we'll
we'll
we'll
do.
S
And-
and
we
can
we
keep,
we
keep
hearing
it
so
right
now
we're
going
to
address
that
I
can.
Thank
you.
Darren
I
guarantee
you
that
all.
S
D
I
I
D
D
I
But
we
okay.
B
So
good,
all
right,
okay,
is
the
we're
at
the
William
Apartments
I
want
to
wait.
110
College
Avenue,
we're
slated
for
presentation.
B
Okay,
yeah,
if
you've
been
injure
yourself
again
and
give
a
presentation
we're
here
to
listen
all.
W
So
Jason
Demarest
architect
for
the
project,
the
William
Apartments
Chris
petrillos-
is
the
developer.
Adbro
development,
so
I'm
going
to
jump
in
a
revised
submission
was
made
back
on
October
6th
to
provide
some
more
detail
and
a
narrative
and
some
additional
documentation.
W
So
you've
had
that
for
a
little
little
bit
here.
I'll
just
kind
of
Breeze
through
that
included
a
transportation
demand
management
plan.
Since
the
Project's
not
proposing
parking
Geotech
was
mentioned
at
the
last
board
meeting,
but
we
now
have
the
report,
so
that
was
in
the
packet,
but
no
no
issues
there
I'm
just
gonna
Breeze
through
Ithaca
energy
code
supplement
compliance
is
good,
and
this
is
based
on
the
the
revised
2023
requirements.
W
So
jumping
right
in
site
plan
really
hasn't
changed
same
idea.
We've
got
some
window
wells
and
Patio
wells
around
the
building,
a
loading
drive
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
property
fenced
in
trash
and
recycling
bin
enclosure-
and
we
did
add
this
secure
bike
storage
as
well
as
a
couple
bike
racks
in
the
corner.
Here,
I
think
I'll
jump
over
that
right
now,
a
combined
grading
and
utility
plan
was
provided
so
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
detail.
W
There
I'm
not
sure
how
interested
you
are
in
that
it
might
be
more
for
staff
to
look
at
and
then
the
landscape
plan.
Dedicated
landscape
plan
is
more
evolved.
W
You
saw
some
renderings,
but
we've
got
some
Cedars
along
the
front,
some
more
smaller
trees
that
based
on
some
feedback
from
the
board,
full
planning
beds
all
along
the
street
here
and
then
some
Maples
to
frame
the
corner,
the
property
and
the
the
west
side,
and
then
some
more
ornamental
Red
Buds
in
there
and
if
you've
seen
the
site
section
before
seeing
the
floor
plans
so
do
sheets
some
site.
Details
were
added.
I'll
give
this
a
second
to
load
some
standard
details,
some
visuals
and
info
on
the
the
landscape.
W
There
are
a
couple
light
poles,
but
this
is
all
dark
sky
compliant
lighting,
some
Led
rope,
light
under
the
lip
of
the
foreign,
the
trash,
Recycling
and
and
structure
so
that
just
illuminates
inside
that
that
structure
and
then
there
is
a
sign
on
the
front-
that's
been
revised
as
well,
and
then
there's
some
pavers
used
for
both
the
loading
drive
and
then
also
the
the
patios,
the
sunken
patios,
we'll
have
that
same
paver,
so
I
think,
that's
probably
with
a
quick
update
on
the
additional
information.
W
The
you
know,
I
think
this
project
just
want
to
share
it's
it's
pretty
similar
to
other
projects
that
have
been
occurring
on
College
Ave.
So
there's
not
a
lot
a
lot
going
on
with
it.
It's
pretty
straightforward,
like
I,
said
a
couple
things
we
haven't
spoken
much
about,
but
it's
provided
and
to
elaborate
a
little
bit
on
the
variances
that
were
are
are
requested.
W
One
is
for
radar
and
I
just
wanted
to
expand
and
I'll
just
briefly
say,
but
it
was
also
described
in
the
the
memo.
The
rationale
for
these
variances,
but
the
rear
yard
couple
things
at
play
here:
one
the
not
achieve
the
the
allowable
lot
coverage
with
a
stand
building
typology,
so
that
pushed
us
to
the
row
house
design
and
because
of
some
of
those
Provisions
a
visual
with
it.
W
It's
sort
of
from
a
design
efficiency
standpoint
pushes
the
front
units
on
the
street
side
which
have
to
follow
that
row
house
typology
they
make
it
makes
them
deeper
and
then,
as
a
four-story
building,
you've
got
stair
Towers
elevator
and
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
utilize
the
the
full
depth
of
the
site,
but
you
end
up
with
a
little
sliver
if
we
were
to
comply
with
the
rear
yard
on
the
back
side
of
the
the
corridor.
W
So
a
double
load
of
corridor
is
just
a
sort
of
a
resultant
of
of
this
design
and
then
to
make
those
apartments
function
a
little
bit
better
and
there's
always
an
economic
component
to
this.
So,
just
working
through
the
the
college
town
zoning
is
what
started
to
push
the
building
over
that
that
rear
line.
So
we
basically
have
a
10
foot,
rear
yard
versus
16
feet,
but
there's
also
some
discussions
or
conversations
in
the
zoning
department.
W
I've
spoken
with
Megan
Wilson
a
couple
times
about
this,
but
they're
there
is
going
to
be
a
push
to
change
that
rear
yard
to
10
feet.
So
it's
likely
that
will
would
go
away
over
time
and
then
the
other
variance
is
lock
coverage
again
the
to
play
out
the
building
design
it.
It
just
grew
a
little
bit
over.
It's
not
a
not
a
significant
variance
about
a
little
under
58
coverage
versus
50,
we're
over
the
allowable
by
620
square
feet,
and
in
this
Zone
you
required
25
Green
Space.
W
W
So
I
just
wanted
to
explain
that
a
little
bit,
not
sure
if
people
were
able
to
read
the
memo
and
get
up
to
speed.
On
that.
W
Let's
see,
let
me
move
on
so
some
supplemental
materials
were
submitted
just
recently
back
on
the
19th,
a
materials
board
and
what
we're
using
is
LP
smart
side,
a
lap
siding
a
composite
wood,
siding
painted.
So
that's
the
bulk
of
the
building,
and
that
includes
the
trim
elements
we
have
some
simulated
Stone
for
the
it's
just
used
in
the
the
sunken
patios
on
the
the
front
of
the
building.
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment
there
are
retaining
walls
on
the
site
to
create
these
window
wells.
W
W
This
tracking
and
bike
storage
enclosure
is
a
cedar
fence,
but
we're
going
to
paint
it
black,
basically
sort
of
out
in
the
natural
world
it
sort
of
reads
a
little
dark
blue,
which
we
like
as
the
building
is
predominantly
blue
and
then
here's
just
a
visual
of
the
pavers,
so
I
think
I'll
go
right
into
renderings.
Now
You
probably
have
not
seen
this,
so
we've
done
a
bunch
of
work
on
the
on
the
design.
Let
me
back
up
to
the
beginning
here.
W
So
a
few
elements,
the
cornice
up
top,
is
basically
the
same.
It's
got
a
little
bit
more
articulation
to
it
in
this
rendering,
based
on
the
presentation
at
the
last
meeting,
I
was
trying
out
this
my
math
theme,
so
we've
we've
varied
it
with
the
two
end
modules
and
then
there's
technically
a
double
module
in
the
middle.
It
looks
like
I'm
missing
a
trim
board
in
there.
W
That
term
board
will
come
back
and
then
what
we
try
to
do
is
ground
the
building
and
and
add
some
horizontality
to
it
and
then,
as
a
way
to
add
a
little
more
articulation.
We've
added
a
cornice
at
that
line.
There.
W
Here's
a
night
shot,
you
know
we're
looking
for
some
soffit
lighting
to
just
wash
the
building
I'm,
not
sure
how
well
that
the
renderings
first
is
doing
it,
but
it
seems
Seems
fairly,
realistic
anyway,
really
comes
to
life
at
night.
The
sign
that
I
mentioned
is
now
tucked
in
it's
right
at
the
the
face
of
this.
This
reset
entryway
now
I'm
looking
from
the
Northeast.
So
this
is
the
north
facade
of
the
building.
W
You
can
see
that
that
cornice
element,
which
is
just
on
the
front
half
it
ends,
and
we
articulated
the
siding
at
the
stair
Tower
elements
on
both
North
and
South
Side.
This
tree
right
here
is
being
planted
as
part
of
college
I
have
reconstruction,
that's
a
crimson's
buyer
Oak,
so
that
that'll
be
there
eventually
and
the
two
light
poles
that
I
mentioned
are
are
right
here,
with
sharp
cut
off
same
fixture.
That's
on
the
wall,
but
it's
it's
just
to
illuminate
these.
These
two
stairs,
so
just
very
strategic
lighting
design.
W
Here's
just
a
close-up
view
of
the
entryway.
You
got
the
box
Woods
in
the
front.
Some
bare
Berry
ground
cover
the
Cedars.
Every
so
often
is
the
view
from
the
southeast.
You
can
see
the
trash
recycling
enclosure,
the
parched
concrete,
gets
revealed
a
little
bit
in
here
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
some
sort
of
curbing
element
right
along
the
sidewalk
and
that
that
was
designed
to
even
though
the
boxwoods
are
show
some
salt
resistance.
W
You
know
they
seem
to
do
pretty
well
with
us
all.
We
just
figured
a
little
barrier
to
keep
that
that
salt
wash
away
from
them
would
would
be
helpful
just
to
contain
that.
What
else
can
I
tell
you
on
this?
Oh
I
guess
I
didn't
mention.
You
know
we're
taking
a
lot
of
the
windows
on
the
front,
the
doors
included
and
changing
to
a
panelized
siding
scheme,
so
it
varies
from
lap,
siding
to
penalized
and
and
there's
kind
of
a
rhythm
around
the
building.
W
Here's
that
view
basically
at
night
and
and
something
I
don't
think
you've
seen
before
is
the
the
view
from
the
back
Red
Buds
in
the
middle
there
Maples
in
the
corner,
okay
and
then
just
giving
you
a
little
bit
more
of
a
bird's
eye
view
which
was
shown
last
month,
and
then
there
was
some
discussion
about
what
the
sunken
patios
were
going
to
be
like,
and
so
we
worked
on
that
a
little
bit.
W
Here's
a
top-down
view.
The
the
sunken
patio
in
the
middle
is
a
double
we.
We
may
put
a
little
wood
fence
wall.
A
privacy
screen
in
between
I
just
put
some
some
potted
plants
in
there
for
now.
But
you
know
it's
like
a
bistro
table
size
and
you
know
those
Basin
Apartments
can
walk
out
into
those
areas
and
then
the
two
on
the
on
each
end
are
are
private
patios,
and
then
this
next
image
got
clipped.
W
But
you
can
see
here,
the
Versa
Stone
would
go
on
the
building
wall
in
here,
and
one
thing
we're
looking
at
is
trying
to
do
a
a
board
texture
to
the
concrete
pour.
So
we
would
vary
from
the
parked
concrete
that
you
would
see
on
the
other
side
to
the
the
board.
Texture
on
the
outside
I
do
have
a
just
wanted
to
show.
W
In
this
view,
you
can
see
the
it
got
clipped
that
image
so
I
just
want
to
show
the
papers
down
in
the
bottom,
so
they're
cozy
again,
the
the
transparency
of
the
the
grate
on
the
balconies
would
help,
but
it
also
adds
some
privacy
and
I
think
that
process
it
for
renderings.
D
D
G
D
Just
I
think
the
ones
on
the
east
side
are
going
to
be
dark
all
the
time
and
I
think
it
compromises
the
front
yard
as
well
as
that
apartment.
So
that's
my
main
reaction.
I,
like
everything
about
else
about
the
building
like
I
said,
but
those
I
just
don't
see
those
being
their
departments
down
there.
D
Things
but
the.
I
D
It's
a
detail,
but
since
he's
proposing
it
do
we
want
buildings
to
be
washed
in
light
residential
buildings.
That's.
B
So
let
me
let
me
just
maybe
Emily
a
follow-up
on
I
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
how
residents
would
use
the
something
Court
here.
It's
I
think
I
think
from
a
planning
perspective,
I
mean
I'm,
just
I'm.
Thinking
to
myself,
do
you
see
any
problems
with
them
from
from
a
planning
point
of
view
in
terms
of
the
Aesthetics
of
the
building
or
the
interface
with
the
building
industry?
Or
is
it
really
I
guess
one
point
of
view
is:
if
residents
use
it
or
don't
use
it,
it's
kind
of
to
them.
D
I
think
there's
three
kids
seem
to
be
better
without
them
and
in
college
town.
That
seems
to
be
an
issue
where
we
don't
have
much
in
a
way
of
my
sidewalks
and
plantings
on
the
streets
gave
and
so
to
dedicate
so
much
of
that
possible
Street
escape
to
something
for
our
parents
seems
undesirable
and
also
everything
from
the
street
view.
D
I
mean
I,
understand
economics,
you
know,
properties
are
going
up
in
value
and
in
order
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
perform
and
afford
it
and
make
money
on
it.
You
have
to
have
more
Apartments,
but
at
some
point
the
city.
It's
going
to
be
painful,
but
at
some
point
I
think
the
city
has
to
push
back
so
that
we
can't
pack
in
as
many
apartments
to
undesirable
locations,
so
that
property
prices
inherently
have
to
come
down
and
that's
a
long
process
and
it's
not
Jason's
charge
to
solve
that.
D
But
but
I
don't
know,
I,
don't
I
just
see
long-term
planning
effects,
I
think
just
less
desirable,
Apartments
down
there
in
the
streetscape.
B
I
guess
Jason:
you
have
I,
think
the
comments
and.
W
Yeah
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
this
is
a
building
up
up
the
street
a
little,
but
this
is
across
the
street
up
a
few
houses.
You
know
and
it's
same
same
idea,
sunken
Courtyards
and
so
that's
sort
of
a
you
know,
a
contextual
reality
of
what
what
exists
out
there,
the
sunken
Apartments,
if
they're,
less
desirable,
they
might
have
a
lower
rent
rate,
become
more
affordable.
W
W
You
know
one
was
you
know:
I
haven't
heard
any
feedback
on
on
the
variances
I,
don't
know
if,
if
there's
any
thoughts
on
on
where
we're
at
because
we're
as
usual,
we're
struggling.
We've
got
six
planning
board
meetings
on
the
tentative
schedule
before
we
find
out
the
fade
project.
W
So
it's
just
you
know,
sort
of
nail
biting
waiting
to
hear
where,
where
things
are
gonna,
gonna,
land
and
and
also
I,
just
I,
just
don't
know
that.
There's
any
real
environmental
issue
with
this
type
of
project.
W
So
if
there
were
any
other
additional
environmental
concerns,
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
if
the
board
had
had
anything
in
that
nature
and
as
always,
you
know
if
there
was
a
way
to
accelerate
I,
don't
know
if
we
could
do
Seeker
final
preliminary
and
final,
like
the
the
fire
station
in
one
meeting,
I
I
highly
doubt
that,
but.
W
Is
there
any
way
to
get
get
through
get
through
seeker
and
a
recommendation,
so
we
can
bump
the
bza
up
a
month.
D
W
B
So
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
board,
but
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
but
I
mean
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
have
a
strong
reaction
to
the
variance
of
one
way
or
another
from
the
sport
there
aren't
really
long-term
planning
impacts.
So
I
think
you'll
probably
get
correct
me.
Colleagues
when
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
we're
going
to
be
generally
supportive,
but
the
Europe
Moon.
We
always
come
back
to
this
tough
spot
of
variations
come
from
a
different
board.
All
we
do
is
make
recommendations.
Yeah.
D
Coverage
seemed
really
minor
to
me,
yeah
and,
and
you
said,
I
think
that
the
rear
yard
setback
is
influx
a
little
bit
and
so
I
will
definitely
pay
attention
to
that
marker.
So.
B
I
anticipate
our
recommendation
would
be
something
no
long-term
planning
impacts.
You
know,
you
know
the
variances
facilitate
high
density
organization
area,
where
that's
what
we
want
to
happen
and
keeps
keeps
student
residents
in
college
town
and
from
approaching
on
neighboring
neighborhoods,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
so
it'd
be
a
positive
again.
I.
Don't
want
to
speak
for
colleagues
who
aren't
here,
but
my
suspicion
is
that
the
the
board
would
be
supportive.
B
Tonight
so
you
know
dancing,
building
and
look
forward
to
continuing.
Thank
you.
T
B
Next
up
is
ethic
and
sign
approval
and
we're
actually
only.
D
R
R
You,
yes,
no,
it's
just
me
so
Brian
Bouchard,
with
cha,
representing
the
ithacan,
coming
back
to
you
with
revisions
for
the
proposed
signage
for
the
building,
I,
think
we're
familiar
enough
with
the
project
and
its
location,
just
mentioning
that
it's
in
the
CBD
140
District,
CBD,
140,
usually
for
commercial
signs,
would
be
allowing
50
square
feet
of
signage
if
it's
a
restaurant
or
a
commercial
use,
but
because
we
are
a
residential
building,
the
rule
is
that
we
are
only
allowed
two
signs
not
to
exceed
12
square
feet
each
and
obviously,
at
the
last
meeting
I
mentioned.
R
You
know
this
is
a
rule.
That's
across
you
know
all
residential
uses,
but
obviously
this
is
quite
unique
in
that
you
know
we
are
a
14-story
building,
inclusive
of
three
stories
of
parking
garage,
so
the
scale
of
the
building
is
a
little
bit
off
for
a
12
square
foot
sign,
but
just
to
take
you
through
what
we've
had
a
chance
to
revise
bringing
you
back
to
what
we
presented
last
time
is
the
Green
Street
facing
facade.
R
We
had
a
large
logo
up
at
the
top
of
the
building,
and
then
we
also
had
the
smaller
Channel
letters
over
the
main
entrance
on
Green
Street
and
then
the
building
doesn't
touch
the
commons,
but
there
is
a
direct
access
point
through
the
Rothschild
building
from
The
Commons,
so
we
were
showing
again
a
large
icon
at
the
top
of
the
residential
Tower
and
then
signage
above
the
main
entrance
at
the
commons.
The
primary
concern
was
The,
Branding
and
logoing
of
the
upper
story.
R
The
large
fairly
large
upper
story
signs
and
pretty
clearly
left
that
meeting
that
the
board
was
not
supportive
of
it.
Obviously,
this
needs
to
go
not
only
through
your
board
for
the
site
plan,
approval
related
to
signage,
but
also
the
variants
that
we
need
a
recommendation
for
for
the
bza.
R
Since
that
time,
we've
discussed
with
ownership
and
development
team.
Obviously
you
could
see
the
revised
materials
here,
leading
the
upper
logos
on
both
facades
and
what
we've
done
is
included
a
smaller
logo
adjacent
to
the
ethic
and
lettering
at
the
lower
level.
So
this
would
be
the
channel
lettering
with
a
backdrop
of
the
logo
above
it,
and
then
we
have
the
similar
and
exact
same
signage
on
the
common
side.
R
One
thing
that
we
did
talk
about
at
the
PRC
meeting
was
the
lighting
and
what
we
proposed
in
this
revised
package,
because
Green
Street
faces
more
of
the
commercial
area
within
the
CBD
140..
R
We
are
maintaining
this
channel
letter
to
be
an
internally
illuminated
Channel
letter,
and
then
the
logo
wouldn't
be
illuminated
at
all.
It's
just
a
placard
on
the
wall.
R
We
did
discuss
with
the
PRC
the
same
channel
letter
lighting.
That
would
be
effective
on
the
common
side,
but
there
was
some
pushback
relating
to
that,
based
on
it
kind
of
being
more
Northerly
facing
across
the
commons,
and
the
suggestion
was
to
tone
that
down
a
bit
and
what
we
would
propose
is
that
these
Channel
letters
would
be
solid
attached
to
the
wall
and
that
there
would
be
a
Halo,
essentially
a
backdrop
of
lighting
to
illuminate
that
sign
without
being
too
bright.
R
So
what
we're
requesting
is
four
signs
in
total
and
again
each
one
if
you
were
to
take
the
Green
Street,
Front,
edges,
14
plus
22,
so
it's
only
36
square
feet
of
signage
and
then
the
duplicate
of
that
being
on
the
common
side,
with
the
two
signs:
totaling
30,
36
square
feet,
but
again
with
the
Halo
lighting
and
not
the
fully
lit
Channel
letters.
So
hopefully
this
sits
well.
We
are
scheduled
with
bza
at
their
next
meeting
and
looking
for
your
feedback.
If
we
accomplish
what
we
need
to.
I
R
I
missed
that
what
it
looks
like.
R
So
these
are
fixed
to
the
wall,
so
they
don't
project
too
far
off
the
wall,
there's
a
graphic
of
it
up
on
the
first
page,
so
I
guess,
if
I
could
answer
that
it
would
be
if
you're
very
close
to
the
building.
You
know
it's
just
like
any
signage.
It's
going
to
be
hard
to
see
if
you're,
actually
up
in
the
building
but
I
think
if
you're
out
in
the
Commons
the
common
space
of
the
commons,
it
would
be
visible
enough
to
identify
it
as
an
entrance.
R
D
Thank
you
for
hearing
our
comments.
D
A
I
think
this
is
better
I'm
still
I'm
not
liking
the
logo,
part
of
it
that
black
that
large
black
eye
under
eyes,
color
the
black
around
it
just
seems
way
over
scale
to
me
and
I.
Don't
think
there
was
some
conversation
about
not
needing
it
up
front
and
I.
Think
I
would
agree
with
that
like
it
just
would
feel
much
cleaner
without
that,
without
that
it
just.
A
I
just
think
the
building
is
cleaner
and
better
without
it,
and
your
science
package
is
very
contemporary
and
clean.
I
think
the
lighting
approaches
sounds
really
good.
The
Halo
light,
the
back.
It
would
totally
support
and
the
sizes
seem
appropriate.
So.
I
B
I'm
going
to
pile
on
and
I
wish,
you
know,
I
don't
have
maybe
two
of
my
colleagues
too
I
don't
have
formal
training
and
what
logos
do,
but
a
black
hexagon
I
mean
what
what
is
that
possible?
What
if
that
represents
anything?
It
certainly
is
not
clear
to
me
it's
just
kind
of
a
hexagon
for
the
sake
of
a
hexagon
and
then
the
the
I
with
the
two
colors.
It's
silly
in
my
view
and
I
I
couldn't
I
kept
reminding
me
of
the
crew
team.
B
I
just
looked
up,
it
kind
of
looks
like
the
Cornell
protein
bore
logo
and
I
kept
thinking.
It
kind
of
looks
like
Cornell
crew
garments,
I've
seen
so
I,
don't
know
it
just
sector
as
a
Cornell
crew.
B
R
Yeah
so
I
definitely
hear
where
you're
coming
from,
but
you
look
at
any
type
of
identity
of
whether
it's
a
commercial
business
or
a
restaurant
and
there's
a
lot
of
effort
put
into
having
the
identity
of
in
particular
this
building,
because
it's
not
just
you
know
a
residential
style
apartment
of
a
you-
know
single
family,
home,
converted
to
a
few
units.
R
It's
a
substantial
building,
so
there
will
be
marketing
for
it
in
terms
of
the
leasing
and
and
just
the
ability
to
to
lease
and
rent
the
facility
and
going
back
to
something
like
Nike
is
a
brand
name.
You
know
it's,
it's
a
swoosh
symbol
like
I,
don't
maybe
what
does
that
even
mean?
But
they're?
R
Eventually
you
acquire
the
identity
for
it
and
there
are
other
residential
projects
built
across
the
country
by
the
same
half
of
this
joint
venture
that
uses
a
very
similar
logo,
not
with
the
eye,
because
that's
obviously
catering
to
where
we
are
located
in
downtown
Ithaca,
but
the
the
same
type
of
logo
being
the
hexagon
shape
and
whether
it's
an
M
or
you
know
the
other
type
of
letterings.
They
go
across
from
Fayetteville
Arkansas
to
Coastal,
Carolina
and
other
places.
D
F
D
R
J
R
R
There
was
some
discussion
of
the
upper
logos
that
was
kind
of
a
mixed
board,
but
they
chose
to
table
it
in
order
to
get
a
more
formal
feedback
from
this
board
and
obviously
now
we've
spent
a
few
meetings
with
this
board,
but
it
could
have
just
been
the
long
drawn
out
process
and
and
what
Megan
has
has
kind
of
relayed
back
to
you.
So
we
we
do
intend
on
being
there
for
their
meeting
next
Tuesday.
R
G
B
A
A
R
Maybe
this
is
a
little
bit
more
accurate
in
terms
of
its
size,
but
you
know
the
18
inch
Dimension
is
the
is
the
lettering
and
then
hexagon
to
hexagon
point
is
is
four
feet
which
we
had
previously
I
think
at
five
feet,
so
we
we
reduced
it
somewhat
already,
but.
G
R
A
That
seems
that
seems
more
reasonable
I
mean
to
me
than
the
forefoot
or
five
foot
Dimension.
So
don't
you
try
it
at
three
see,
let's
see
what
it
looks
like
in
your
rendering
trying
to
make
an
actor
if
you're,
rendering
too
right.
So
if
you're
saying
it's
not
matching
what
the
cut
sheet
is
saying
that
it's
there's
an
asparity
there
to
try
to
match.
A
G
B
R
I
could
tell
you:
we
went
through
a
multitude
of
different
options,
including
a
large
blade
sign
like
City
Center
has
and
a
bunch
of
other
things,
and
just
building
placement
and
windows
didn't
work
and
then
eventually
we
got
so
knee-deep
in
it
that
the
owner
said
whatever
the
city
is
willing
to
approve,
will
do
it,
so
we
reduce
the
size,
we
did
the
Halo
lettering.
So
if
I
go
back
to
him
and
say
you
get
a
36
foot
hexagon
or
a
36
inch
hexagon,
we'll.
R
G
D
That's
what
we're
saying
so
if
there
is
a
recommendation
from
the
board,
because
he
might
be
correct,
that
they've
been
back
suddenly,
they
hadn't
gotten
re-referred
to
us,
but
normally
would
say,
there's
no
long-term
planning
effects.
In
a
case
like
this,
you
might
say
that
he
worked.
The
board
has.
G
I
B
Thank
you
perfect
thanks
very
much
for
coming
back.
Thank.
R
The
night
I've
been
here
I've,
been
here
since
six
o'clock
too,
because
I
had
one
of
the
first
agenda
items
and
now
I
have
one
of
the
last
so
I'm
with
you.
I
appreciate.
B
That
effort
that
you
guys
enjoyed
I'd
say
if,
if
we
appear
grumpy,
you
know
we're
four
and
a
half
hours
in.
So
thanks
for
your
pictures,
no.
G
A
D
B
I
I
D
A
phone
Aaron-
okay,
oh
yeah,
Aaron,.
F
T
All
right,
very
good,
so
welcome.
T
So
yeah
the
this
package
is
for
luck
and
looks
for
any
of
you
that
don't
know
it's
a
luxury
apartment
building,
that's
actually
defined
as
being
the
closest
to
the
Cornell
campus.
T
Advantage
is
going
is
proposed
for
The
Dryden
Road,
and
what
I
did
is
I
tried
to
show
the
logo
in
a
daytime.
These
are
also
similar
to
what
Brian
was
proposing
on
the
ithacan
project.
T
T
So
this
what
I
did
is
I
grabbed
an
image
of
a
sign.
That's
a
property,
that's
further
up
just
before
you
come
into
Varna,
but
it's
further
out
Dryden
Road,
and
this
is
for
Ivy
Ridge.
So
it
would
like
a
great
example,
because
the
standoffs
that
they're
using
this
is
an
inch
and
a
half
here,
it's
a
nice
flood.
T
You
know
it's
like
it's
a
nice
light
casting
onto
the
onto
the
wood
for
our
project,
though,
because
we
are
in
a
we've,
left
a
commercial
area
and
we're
just
moving
into
like
a
residential
area.
T
We
thought
it's
smart
to
study
the
half
inch
and
then
pair
that
with
a
dimmer
control.
Oh
really,
the
future
of
signage
is
for
a
couple
hundred
extra
dollars.
Our
customers
are
able
to
get
full
control
of
their
elimination.
One
of
the
recent
case.
Examples
for
this
is
when
we
did
the
student
agencies,
the
president
is
able
to
control
it
from
his
phone.
So
it's,
and
in
that
case
it
was
a
blade
sign.
So
it
was
in
an
initial
in
the
beginning
of
the
project.
T
It
was
just
something
that
their
team
wanted.
They
wanted
to
be
able
to
have
that
control
if,
for
some
reason
it
was
too
bright,
so
they've
got
that
dialed
into
where
everyone
that's
a
tenant
in
the
building
is
just
delighted
with
it.
T
T
It
was
one
of
the
things
that
had
come
up
in
the
previous
committee
meeting
was
really
just
what
what
kind
of
control
can
we
offer
for
the
for
the
information?
And
this?
This
is
really
the
answer.
T
There
was
a
mention
of
the
type
the
typeface
the
typeface
is
actually
the
it's.
It's
the
Lux
logo.
You
know
it's
part
of
their
branding
that
they
have
between
the
Lux
and
then
down
the
street.
They
have
loss
and
what
they
do
is
they
tie
it
in
with
the
tagline.
It's
like
a
soft
tag
and
then
they
add
the
actual
City,
and
for
this
it
was
not
really
important
enough
to
try
to
include
it
on
the
wall,
because
the
lettering
got
too
small
and
it
just
was
just.
T
They
have.
This
is
a
new
building.
That's
going
up
next
to
the
looks
and
nice
distinction
for
the
tenants
and
for
The
Branding
of
the
building
to
be
able
to
say
that
this
is
the
Lux,
and
over
here
is
I.
Don't
know
the
name
of
the
building,
so
that's
just
the
purpose
really
of
the
team.
Our
client
wanting
to
have
signage.
H
B
D
T
As
the
name
of
the
building,
no
because
that
is
so
I'll
show
you
here
in
our
brand.
These
are
all
the
so
the
properties.
B
T
So
let's
go
around:
no,
we
need
that
to
be
distinctly
different.
That's
so
we
have
three
fonts
that
make
up
the
property
Brands
you'll
notice
that
this
brand
is
really
what
we
use
throughout
all
of
the
Ada
or
throughout
all
of
the
way
finding,
in
that
same
font,
easy
there
yeah.
D
I
like
it
that
you
move
the
legs
onto
the
building
off
of
the
balcony
and
the
best
and
Improvement
and
I
think
the
75
dimmed
seems
fine
back
of
it
personally.
I
think
it's
confusing
that
the
112
and
the
Lux
are
different
fonts
on
different
sides.
I
would
assume
those
are
different,
maybe
entrances
or
something
but
but
I-
understand
if
that's
the
brand,
so
otherwise
I.
T
A
Really
understand
this
whole
notion
of
naming
buildings
like
I'm,
imagining
a
street
that
has
every
building
with
a
name-
that's
lit
up
at
night
on
a
residential
street,
but
this
one's
closest
one
lost
the
citizen,
the
Williams
with
this
like.
When
did
we
get
into
this
like
naming
every
building?
It's
it's
advertising,
and
so
it's
a
commercialization
of
a
residential
street.
A
That's
really
starting
to
bug
me
to
be
honest,
and
so
I
don't
know
how
to
respond
to
something
like
this,
because
I
I,
just
I
I'm,
starting
to
disagree
with
the
premise
of
naming
and
advertising
buildings,
branding
teams,
liberal
branding
on
science,
your
architecture,
the
architectures
that
stand
on
its
own
as
strong
built
form
in
a
community.
So.
A
B
A
B
B
So
approval
is
that
broader
issue
going
into
new
business
is
that
the
review
of
the
room?
Okay,
sure,
okay,
so
Aaron
I-
think
you're
you're
good
to
go.
D
G
B
D
D
D
All
right,
this
is
basically
this
building
is
going
from
five
units
to
seven
units,
so
they're
changing.
I
The
inside
configuration
and
with.
G
D
Units
had
a
seven
off
street
parking
variants,
it
already
had
an
area
variance,
so
now
they
would
need
eight
to
off
street
parking,
but
she
also
wants
approval
for
our
two
parking
spaces
and
it's
formal
approval
because
they
were
made
before
she
had
it
and
now
she
she
wants
approval
for
two
parking
spaces,
but
it
is,
they
are
within
the
required
rear
inside
yards.
D
So
that's
kind
of
the
parking
and
then
the
other
aspect
is
the
minimum
lot
area.
So
with
since
this
building's
going
up
and
dwelling
units,
they
would
need
a
10,
000
square
foot,
minimum
lot
area
where.
J
J
D
D
B
B
So
do
business.
D
We
were
talking,
we
were
thinking
about
having
a
retreat
or
kind
of
training
or
a
discussion
in
maybe
January
or
February
about
how
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
the
same
building
materials
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
frustrated.
I
D
D
G
B
D
B
You
put
for
future
business.
It
was
made
wait
made
aware
to
me
that
there
are
no
non-tesla
DC
fast
Chargers
in
the
city,
so
that
means,
if
you're
planning
on
traveling
from
Toronto
to
New
York
City,
you're,
gonna
you're
gonna
go
with
this
fast
charge.
So
anyone
going
from
Toronto,
New
York
City
is
not
going
to
come
to
ethica
as
a
stopover
point,
because
at
a
fast
charge,
so
I
think
that's
something
we
should
look
at
for
sustainable
Transportation
I
mean
it's
also
helpful
for
residents
to
have.
I
B
I
F
B
Can
make
sense
to
go
last,
you
let
all
the
neighboring
properties
improve,
and
then
you
you
internalize
their
investment.
Meanwhile
you're
inflicting
the
harm
on
everyone
else,
but
not
you
know
and
then
you're
the
last
property
to
sell.
It
could
be
a
profitable
strategy
unless
we
counter
it
with
the
higher
tax
and
which
is
I,
don't
even
know
it's
legal
in
your
club,
but
something
to
discuss
they're.
D
Not
talking
about
this,
maybe
like
I,
don't
know.
10
years
ago,
I
mean
Henry
Jordan
idea
of,
like
you
know,
governments
investing
in
infrastructure
and
like
Transit
oriented
development
and
all
that
stuff
and
your
property
values
just
keep
going
up
and
up
and
up
and
you're,
just
kind
of
you
know
chilling
yeah
yeah.
D
D
Other
thing
I
just
noticed
that
project
the
utility
meeting
in
November
is
on
a
holiday.
D
F
D
D
So
we'll
just
try
to
do
that.
But
I
don't
know
what
to
do
about
project
Review
Committee!
It
would
be
too
early
to
have
it
next.
Friday
I,
don't
know
if
we
should
skip
in
this
moment
or
have
it
try
to
have
it
many
weeks
or
Thursday
depends
on
schedules
too.
D
I
mean
I
completely
agree
with
what
she
wrote.
I've
been
singing.
The
song
about
you
know
active
in
public
use
on
the
waterfronts,
specifically
in
relation
to
City
Harbor
I
think
she
was
six
months.
Late,
I,
don't
know
if
she
didn't
know
about
it,
I
don't
know.
If
you
know
it
doesn't
matter.
Why?
But
I
wonder
if
we
need
a
wider
net
to
be
cast
for
some
of
these
projects
that
don't
really
have
neighbors
within
the
200
radius
square,
foot
or
yeah.
D
You
know
we
came
across
this
with
our
house,
because
people
across
the
way
not
technically
included.
So
you
know
the
new
points
I
forget
who
the
developers
or
DPW
just
left
another
one
or
not.
That
might
be
a
site
where
it
has
a
few
neighbors
because
again
you're
right,
it's
developing
the
Waterfront,
so
I
just
want
to
put
it
out
there.
Maybe
we
consider
to
expand
the
public
notice
all.