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F
G
B
And
then
with
that,
can
we
start
already
Meldrum
paint
622
CastleVille
Street.
B
Are
you
the
only
one
we're
expecting
today?
Yes,
okay,
you
can
begin
when
you're
ready.
J
Hi
I'm
Caitlin
head
I'm,
the
director
of
operations
at
meldrum's,
Paint,
Stores,
I'm
honored,
to
be
a
part
of
the
community.
Now
it's
been
very
welcoming
to
come
into
Ithaca,
so
we
definitely
want
to
just
kind
of
give
back
to
the
community
what
you
guys
have
given
us
so
really
excited
to
be
here.
J
We
opened
the
Ithaca
store
in
October
of
22,
and
we
put
some
of
the
proposed
signage
up
the
Meadow
Street
side.
However,
we
did
not
put
the
signage
up
that
previously
was
approved,
just
because
we
felt
it
was
a
little
bit
smaller
for
the
visibility
of
that
side
of
the
road.
It's
very
high
traffic
area
and
that
side
of
the
building
is
our.
You
know,
there's
the
most
real
estate
there,
so
we
are
looking
to
have
signage
there's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
signage.
J
We
want
to
have
meldrums
on
one
side
of
we
have
a
chimney
in
the
middle
of
the
building,
we're
looking
for
meldrums
to
be
on
the
left
side
and
Benjamin
Moore
to
be
on
the
right.
J
Just
so
we
can
have
people
know
where
we
are.
We
have
people
come
in
every
day
and
they
say
oh,
my
gosh
I
didn't
know
where
you
guys
were
or
I
didn't
know
you
guys
were
here.
So
that's
kind
of
you
know
why
we
feel
it's
very
important
to
have
signage
on
that
side
of
the
buildings
very
high
traffic
and
make
it
larger
than
it
was
originally
approved
for.
G
K
J
This
is
the
main
entrance,
so
we've
got
this
signage
on
the
front
of
the
building.
Caitlyn.
F
J
C
J
Again,
the
main
entrance
and
now
I'll
go
to
the
cascadilla
street
side,
where
we
have
Benjamin
Moore
sign
and
the
address.
J
J
So,
as
you
can
see,
the
Benjamin
Moore
sign
and
the
address
and
the
front
of
the
building
is
the
only
signage
that
we
have.
But
this
side
of
the
building
that
is
blank
is
what
we're
looking
to
have
signage
on
the
other
side
of
the
building.
There
isn't
any
signage
on
that
faces.
Hancock
Street.
B
E
J
J
Sure
so
the
original
right
in
this
like
quadrant
right
here
is
where
it
was
approved.
So
originally
it
was
approved.
Let
me
see
here.
J
F
Okay
and
I
do
have
to
say:
actually
we
did.
This
was
when
we
did,
we
did
not,
you
guys
did
not
approve
you
added.
You
just
gave
comments
to
the
bza
for
the
variances
and
you
were
concerned
with
how
many
signs
there
were
at
that
point,
but
this
this
is
what
they
had
as
Caitlyn
was
saying,
and
then
these
are
the
ones
that
are
existing
and
you
can
tell
the
different
sides.
So
this
is
the
side
facing
Meadow.
F
Size
letters
and
you
know
what
I
can
do
Mitch
I
can
I
can
find
that
recommendation.
While
you
guys.
E
No,
it's
not
an
approval
or
recommendation
yeah
yeah
I
get
it
I
mean
to
me
yeah.
This
I
think
the
proposal.
The
new
proposal
that
you're
showing
today
looks
too
big
to
me.
Those
letters
look
pretty
massive
and
there's
the
bucket
on
the
corner.
There's
a
lot
of
signs
on
all
the
sides
except
the
the
Hancock
Street
side,
but
yeah
I
mean
I.
Just
think
we
want
to
be
careful
about
oversigning
things
on
that
side
of
meadow
and
it's
a
new
residential
project
coming
across
the
street.
A
Yeah
I
drive
by
this
place
at
Fairmount
and
the
lights
in
those
in
the
paint
cages
or
whatever,
are
very
bright
too
and
I'm
just
wondering
about
maybe
removing
some
of
the
signage
from
the
residential
side,
and
if
it
would
be,
you
know,
on
Route
13,
it's
more
appropriate
but
facing
the
residents
social
side.
If
you're
already
there,
you
know
what
it
is.
You
don't
need
a
whole
bunch
of
signage
I,
wonder
if
some
of
that
could
be
swapped
out.
J
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
just
the
paint
cans
themselves,
I,
don't
think,
were
ever
counted
as
signage.
They
were
like
more
architectural
design
to
I
believe
as
we
kind
of
had
everything
approved.
It
was
really
just
the
meldrums
Benjamin
Moore
and
the
addresses
that
were
on
the
side
of
the
building,
so
I,
don't
think
I
think
the
paint
cans
didn't
necessarily
count
in
the
first
reservation.
I,
don't
know
if
that
Still
Remains,
true
or
if
it
counts
in
this
conversation,
but
you
know
that's
what
they
that's.
J
What
I
was
at
least
told
when
when
we
originally
got
the
project,
so
Daniel.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
I.
Remember
my
my
comments.
The
first
time
around
and
I
vetoed
almost
most
of
the
science,
including
the
trash
part,
the
the
the
paint
buckets
look
like
look
for
I
always
feel
like
I
need
to
say
this,
but
supportive
of
a
small
business
right,
great
site.
D
It
turned
out
awesome
but
way
too
much
signing
like
we
have
signing
or
signage
regulation
on
limits
for
a
reason,
right
specifically
I
mean
and
more
so
in
a
transitional
neighborhood
where
you
have
a
good
amount
of
of
residence
right
across
the
street
and
a
lot
next
door,
so
I
think
I'm
against
the
proposed
signage,
because
I
already
think
this
is
a
heavily
branded
building
with
a
mix
of
lettering.
And
so
my
advice
is
really
that
you
have
a
lot
of
signage
already.
D
It's
just
very
misleading,
because
I
think
perhaps
milgram's
doesn't
tell
consumers
much
about
what
is
happening.
I,
don't
think
those
Paint
Bucket,
it's
readers,
paint
buckets
and
maybe
Benjamin
Moore
is
the
one
sort
of
you
know:
common
name
that
people
associate
with
your
main
product.
But,
as
you
said,
it's
not
it's
not
facing
the
street.
So
what
I
would
be
comfortable
with
is
relocating
the
signs
that
you
have
facing
Fall
Creek
towards
stuff
Meadow.
D
That
way
you
get
the
high
traffic
and
you
have
a
better
transition
into
what
is
a
very,
very
residential
neighborhood,
with
some
exciting
new
development
and
more
residential
density,
so
yeah
I
mean
I
already
think
it's
way
too
much
signage,
yeah
and
I
mean
it
constructively.
I,
don't
think
it's
an
effective
signage
strategy
because
it's
a
lot
of
different
logos,
so
it
is
confusing.
That
was
my
comment
a
couple
months
back
when
we.
C
Thanks
I,
like
the
idea
of
relocating,
also
I,
think
the
signage
on
13
makes
a
lot
more
sense.
So
I
understand
why
you're
coming
back.
Ask
for
that,
but
but
maybe
moving
some
of
it,
removing
from
the
Fall
Creek
Side
and
moving
it.
The
Route
13
site
I
like
that
idea
and
I
I,
like
the
original
Proposal,
with
it
up
high,
where
it
said
meldrum's
paint,
that's
the
clearest
thing
you
could
say:
you've
got
the
Benjamin
Moore
on
the
south
side,
which
can
be
seen
obliquely
from
13.
B
I
tend
to
agree
with
you
guys,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
different
science
with
the
different
low.
You
know,
font
types
and
sizes
and
I
think
the
paint
I
would
consider
that
a
sign
I
mean
I,
don't
know
what
else
to
consider
it.
I,
don't
think.
It's
part
of
I
mean
it's
yeah
so
anyway,
I
like
the
idea
of
relocating.
B
If
you
want
to
put
Benjamin
Moore
on
the
South
South
Meadow
side,
but
yeah
I,
agree,
I,
agree
with
all
the
comments
said
that
I,
like
just
the
meldrum's
paint
paint
being
larger
because
that's
the
word
that'll
bring
with
people
in
people
won't
know
what
meldrums
is.
But
people
who
know
what
Benjamin
Moore
is
I
mean
when
I
drive
by
there.
It's
very
clear
that
it's
a
paint
store.
F
J
I
mean
it
seems
like
at
this
point.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
necessarily
move
it
forward.
Just
based
on
the
you
know,
the
feedback
I
know,
obviously
just
because
we're
in
it
every
single
day,
and
we
hear
the
comments
and
the
feedback
from
the
foot
traffic
that
comes
in
my
background
is
marketing.
J
So
when
you
walk
into
the
entrance
of
a
building-
and
you
don't
see
the
brand
on
it,
so
if
I
move
meldrums
from
the
main
entrance
to
the
Meadow
Street
side,
while
that'll
probably
be
better
traffic
wise
as
they
enter
the
store,
definitely
like
to
see
the
brand
above
the
doors
essentially
so
we'll
start
I'll,
certainly
bring
it
back
to
my
team
and
see
what
we
can.
You
know
go
forward
with
whether
it's
the
pre-approved
signs
or
if
we
start
moving
some
signage
around.
J
F
I
was
going
to
say
Caitlyn,
yes,
you
do
so.
You
do
have
an
approved
science
package,
so
you
could
still
put
that
meldrum's
paint,
even
though
the
board
is
telling
you
that
well
approved
experiences,
I
should
say
so.
You
could
go
along
with
the
original.
If
you
want
to
make
different
changes,
you
just
come
back
to
the
doctor
board
and
it
would
be
approved.
Yeah,
approved
or
they'd,
give
comment
and
move
you
in
a
different
direction.
Okay,
yeah.
F
And
I
do
have
that
since
they're
not
going
to
come
back,
I
do
have
the
sign
variance
your
comments
that
you
gave
to
bza
if
they
do
come
back
so
that
you
know
I
was
going
to
read
them
but
I
think
it's
a
moot
point.
Hello.
K
A
K
Okay,
I
think
we
should
have
everyone.
Bruce
might
be
joining
late,
but
if
you
see
him
in
the
put
in
place,
I
don't
mean
great.
Thank
you
so
we're
here
today
to
provide
an
update
for
the
mystery
signage.
I
noticed
that
some
of
the
members
here
today
was
not
in
the
last
PRC
meeting.
So
we
could
go.
You
know,
give
you
a
review
of
what
we
talked
about
last
time.
K
So
basically,
we
have
taken
some
of
her
comments
back
and
Sarah
here.
I
have
also
talked
to
the
conference
center
board
and
have
some
comments
about
those
signage
I
can
share
my
screen
about
showing
you
where
those
signage
will
be.
I
also
want
to
mention
that
our
version
today
is
slightly
different
than
what
we
submitted
in
the
package,
but
we
will
show
you
the
latest
version
and
will
be
submitted
for
the
planning
board.
K
So
for
the
first
part,
we
have
Conference
Center
signage,
that
we
are
proposing
to
have
a
sign
over
here
at
this
corner
of
the
Blake
sign
b.
As
the
wall
sign
of
the
main
entrance
and
then
a
few
final
logo
size
on
the
door,
I
will
hand
it
to
Sarah
to
talk
about
the
changes
that
the
board
wants
to
make
for
the
conference
center
or
zombies.
K
M
If
everyone
can
hear
me,
okay,
so
at
our
previous
PRC
meeting
we
had
the
large
science
C
and
we
got
some
feedback
that
that
was
too
large
and
it
was
above
kind
of
the
walking
View
and
above
driving,
so
kind
of
got
out
of
the
view
shed
for
pedestrians.
So
what
we
proposed
was
to
re.
M
We
did
do
a
version
with
the
sign
drop
lower
to
right
above
the
retail
space,
which
is
sign
C,
but
we
felt
like
this
over
branded
the
corner
a
little
too
much
and
would
probably
conflict
with
the
retail
space
in
the
future.
So
we
did
end
up
going
back
with
a
smaller
version
of
the
blade
sign.
That's
option
A
and
it
just
hit
it's
basically
just
wayfinding
as
you're
coming
down.
M
Green
Street,
most
of
the
customers
and
guests
coming
to
the
conference
center
will
be
coming
from
out
of
town,
probably
coming
from
Green
Street
if
they're
driving
to
get
to
the
parking
garage.
So
we
wanted
some
way
finding
at
this
location,
but
we
did
shrink
it
down
from
36
inches
wide
to
18
inches
wide.
So
it
no
longer
approaches
over
the
the
dot
property
lines,
and
then
we
proposed
to
delete
c
and
b
and
then
on
the
south
facade
this
fit.
This
is
just
showing
how
we've
deleted
the
upper
sign.
M
At
the
third
floor,
we
are
planning
to
delete
the
shop
sign,
this
retail,
that's
a
shop
name
that
was
that
will
be
deleted.
There's
no
little
entrance
into
the
retail
space
for
this
location.
So
there's
no
need
for
a
sign
here.
We'll
have
signage
for
the
retail
space
over
near
the
entry
point
into
the
retail
space,
and
then
we
would
like
to
propose
to
keep
sign
B
in
this
version.
We've
shrunk
it
down
to
within
a
variance
dimensions
and
the
only
change
I'm
showing
in
the
photo
rendering
below
is.
M
M
We
could
propose
to
remove
the
logo
on
find
B
if
that
was
a
little
intrusive
or
over
branding.
We
would
be
open
to
that.
The
one
piece
about
sign
B
is
this:
may
or
may
not
be
a
sponsorship
location.
So
right
now
we're
including
it
as
the
name
of
the
facility.
It
is
possible
in
the
future.
It
could
be
the
sponsor
name.
K
Thanks
Sarah
and
I'm,
going
to
show
you
some
construction
details
to
you
know,
show
the
dimensions
to
everything,
so
the
blade
sign
a
as
Sarah
mentioned,
will
be
within
80
inches,
so
we're
not
encouraging
to
the
public
right
away
and
then
a
total
square
footage
will
be
added
50
square
feet.
As
the
code
requires
and
to
sign
B.
We
will
remove
the
lower
part
and
place
it
behind
the
downtown
end
intended
to
maintain
under
50
square
feet.
K
They
we
will
propose
to
have
two
logo
signs
on
each
door
and
we
have
manual
sign
in
three
locations
in
each
location
only
have
one
door,
so
it
will
be
here
for
the
retail
entrance
in
the
system
entrance
to
the
conference
center,
another
one
going
to
the
building.
So
each
location
we
have
one
doubles
edit
door,
so
we're
expecting
to
have
six
Nano
logos
for
those
stores
and
then
for
the
residential
package.
K
We
are
still
intending
to
have
two
signage
on
the
site
on
each
side
of
the
building
between
the
garage
building
and
newest
area.
Building,
so
e
will
be
the
late
sign,
starting
into
the
alleyway
on
the
door
here
and
then
the
residential
side
entrance
sign
F
will
be
above
the
entrance.
K
This
sign
is
under
50
square
feet,
however,
is
over
80
inches
projecting
to
the
Alleyway,
so
we
will
need
a
variance
for
for
that
dimension
and
then
I
have
is
fully
combined
with
the
code.
You
know
it's
a
Walmart
inside
and
under
50
square
feet,
so
it
doesn't
need
any
variance
and
just
the
further
residential
for
the
retail
part,
which
is
going
to
give
you
an
overview
of
what
it
may
look
like
in
the
future
But.
K
As
Sarah
mentioned,
we
will
not
have
that
K
sign,
so
this
sign
will
be
gone,
but
they
may
have
a
little
some
kind
of
late
sign
on
the
side
for
their
entrance
to
the
retail,
and
we
don't
expect
that
sign
will
be
over
80
inches
and
over
50
square
feet,
so
that
sign
will
not
meet
any
variance
and
the
whoever
the
tenant.
For
this,
retail
will
need
to
apply
for
their
own
variance,
so
we're
just
providing
this
for
your
own
information
and
I.
Think
that's
it
for
our
presentation.
K
The
other
two
that
was
included
in
the
package
is
no
longer
valid
at
this
point
and
we're
welcoming
any
recommendations
or
comments
from
the
board.
I
do
want
to
mention
that
we
are
not
going
to
request
official
recommendation
at
this
August
meeting,
because
we
haven't
really
started
the
BCA
application
process,
so
for
this
meeting
purely
just
to
look
for
comments
from
the
board
and
the
community.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
eBay,
why
don't
I
start
with
Emily
this
time?
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
I,
like
it
I
mean
I,
think
you
still
get
a
lot
of
visibility
with
the
paired
down
package
and
it
it
seems
a
lot
more
pedestrian
focused,
which
is
great
I,
think
A
and
B
makes
sense.
I
I
support
the
entrance,
the
Asteria
entrance
on
the
side,
the
blade
sign
being
larger
than
and
requiring
a
variance,
because
I
think
that's
a
really
tricky
long
Alleyway
to
have
signage
that
works,
so
I
think
making
it
a
little
bit
larger.
C
Having
the
a
the
18
inches,
it's
totally
fine
by
me
and
I
guess
the
only
other
thing
I'll
say
is,
while
it's
great
to
reduce
the
sign
package
in
general,
we
want
less
signage.
C
You
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
new
kind
of
a
new
place
for
retail
I
mean
I,
guess
there's
some
retail
across
the
street,
but
at
the
same
time
I
would
want
to
you
to
make
sure
that
there's
enough
signage
for
the
businesses,
the
shop,
that's
going
on
the
corner
so
that
people
know
it
and
it's
successful
and
I.
Don't
maybe
there's
a
blade
sign.
I
know
they
come
back.
You
said
for
their
own
variants.
C
They
will
come
back,
but
personally
I
would
support
the
blade
sign
for
the
shop
and
other
window
signage,
just
to
make
sure
that
they
are
visible
they're
under
that
overhang,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
they're
that
they're
seen
that's
all
I
have
thanks
foreign.
B
D
Yeah,
thanks
for
your
sort
of
the
thorough
you
know,
plan
I
I
only
have
maybe
one
comment
on
and
I
believe.
It's
sign,
B
it's
a
little
tricky
to
Envision
it
fully
with
a
potential
sponsor.
C
G
D
It
but
you're
looking
to
keep
it
stacked
or
fully
linear
was
that
you
made
that
point
earlier.
Keep
it
linear.
So
my
only
comment
here
is
it's:
it's
a
long
word
linear
right,
almost
like
maybe
an
airport
right,
it's
a
you
know,
Convention
Center,
Ithaca
or
maybe
a
donor's
name
on
it.
D
I
would
suggest
differentiating
the
font
or
maybe
separating
in
bold
versus
non-bold
for
one
versus
the
other,
so
that
convention
standards
Standalone
stands
out,
regardless
of
who
the
sponsoring
entity
is
whether
it's
the
I,
think
a
downtown
or
you
know,
fill
in
the
blank
person
that
way
it
doesn't
read
almost
like
a
sentence
but
other
than
that.
Yeah.
B
Danielle
thanks
Daniel
Mitch.
Please.
E
Yeah
I
I
also
like
the
Stacked
version
of
sign
B
I,
like
it
a
lot
better
than
the
long
version,
I
think
airport,
that's
the
good
word
for
it.
Daniel
is
trying
to
figure
out
what
does
that
remind
me
of
it's
like
it's
too
big
and
it's
too
linear
and
that
stacked
version
I
think
is
more
pedestrian
friendly.
It's
just
more
welcoming
more
inviting
that
big
thing
does
look
like
an
airport,
so
I
would
really
like
to
see
the
Stacked
version
for
sign
a
I'm.
E
Sorry
I,
don't
like
the
blade
sign,
I,
think
the
blade
sign
is
too
small
in
proportion
to
the
scale
of
the
conference
center
and
I.
Still
like
the
original
sign,
C
that
you're
showing
up
here,
that's
banded,
I
think
it
fits
nicely.
It
would
read.
Fine
I
think
people
will
just
look
up
and
see
it.
I.
Don't
think
you
should
worry
about
it
being
a
you
know,
not
visible
from
a
car
but
I
think
in
proportion
in
relationship
to
the
architecture.
I
think
it's
just
much
cleaner.
It
works
much
better.
E
That
blade
sign
is
feels
like
attack
on
feels
like
added
on.
So
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
the
other,
the
other
stuff
in
the
alley
seems
fine,
although
that
I,
don't
I
didn't
particularly
like
the
font
of
residential
entrance,
you've
got
kind
of
a
modern
contemporary
building,
and
it's
like
that
font
reminded
me
of
you
know
something
from
the
1940s
or
you
know
in
New,
York,
City,
or
something
that
doesn't
feel
quite
right
for
the
architecture.
But
that's
just
my.
G
B
Mitch
I
think
you
hit
all
the
points.
I
wanted
to
make.
I
agree
that
just
seems
odd.
The
resident
entrance
with
the
serif
I
think
that
that
large
sign
B
is
also
it
just
seems
so
much
bigger
than
the
Stacked
one
you're
saying
it's
less
square
footage,
I,
don't
know
and
you're
right.
It
reads
like
a
sentence,
whereas
there's
more
hierarchy
hierarchy
was
it
being
stacked,
so
Conference
Center
is
the
important
thing
and
then
secondarily
it's
the
Ithaca
downtown
or
whatever
donor
or
sponsor
name
and
I
agree.
I
would
sign
c.
B
M
No,
this
is
great
feedback.
The
scaling
on
sign
B
was
a
little
off.
I
was
using
a
rendering
versus
an
elevation,
so
they
would
both
be
in
the
same.
The
font
on
both
would
be
the
same
I.
The
stack
I
think
looks
great
as
well,
so
I.
Don't
think
that
would
be
an
issue
I
think
as
far
as
the
retail
space
signage
that
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
moving
forward
with
that,
we
may
have
something
for
next
month.
M
B
M
You
wanna:
can
you
pull
it
up
this
one?
So
the
lower
version
I
thought
at
our
last
meeting.
We
talked
about
having
the
sign
too
high
up
on
the
building.
It
got
away
from
The
Pedestrian
grade,
so
we
came
up
with
this
sign
option
C
at
the
lower
end,
because
we
heard
some
feedback
that
maybe
the
blade
sign
wouldn't
be
acceptable.
So
I
think
to
the
group
to
the
LDC
you
know,
sign
a
or
so
in
sign.
C
would
both
be
great
options.
M
My
concern
with
science
C
is
then
on
the
south
facade.
We
have
the
sign
again
at
the
main
entrance
door,
so
you've
got
it
kind
of
repeating
when
you
look
at
the
elevation
across
the
entire
face
of
the
building,
so
that
was
where
we
started.
Leaning
more
towards
the
blade
sign
is
just
directional
in
wayfinding,
but.
B
E
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
repetitive,
I
think
the
the
amount
of
facade.
If
you
go
to
the
elevation
view,
you
can
see
what
it
would
feel
like.
It
would
be
very
blank
above
the
windows.
If
that
and
it's
not
there
I
mean
that
is
just
a
huge
space.
I
think
both
of
these
signs
work
nicely.
I
think
that
elevation
is
correct.
The
original
one
and
I
think
removing
that
from
the
top
would
really
be
attachable.
C
G
L
M
B
K
Thanks
for
a
feedback,
I
also
want
to
mention
that
if
we
are
going
for
this,
we
will
need
the
variance
because
we'll
be
exceeding
15
square
feet,
but
it
sounds
like
the
board
is
okay
with
that.
It's
nice.
K
Rock
cane,
we
have
a
lot
of
sorry
see
if
there
is
anyone
in
the
room
that
can
be
made.
F
K
K
F
K
Is
it
better
now
because
I
had
a
car
going
by
last
time?
Okay,
I
also
want
to
mention
that
we
wanted
to
focus
on
the
architectural
piece
for
this
meeting
and
we
will
provide
updates
for
the
site
plan
and
Terraces
on
the
planning
permitting
itself.
So
we
have
a
change
in
the
unit
mix
that
we
want
to
share
with
the
board.
K
Is
that
previously
in
the
spr
first
Str
in
may,
we
said
we're
gonna
have
60
units
for
the
the
overall
and
we
have
changed
it
to
70
units,
so
we
increased
by
10
and
they
are
all
going
to
be
upward.
K
Lousy
and
part
of
it
would
be
supportive,
as
as
it
was
before,
and
35
of
them
will
be
for
the
units,
the
household
under
50
area,
meeting
income
and
then
20
27
before
the
60
and
80
for
the
80,
so
I
will
hand
it
over
to
our
architecture
team
casserole
here
for
the
updates
for
the
more
plant
and
elevation
Peter.
Let
me
know
if
you
want
me
to
share
my
screen,
or
would
you
prefer
to
share
your
home
screen.
N
I
think
we
will
have
you
share
the
screen.
If
you
wouldn't
mind:
okay,.
O
N
Been
focusing
on
are
relatively
minor.
On
the
first
floor,
we're
you
know,
we
did
modify
the
entry
Lobby
a
bit
and
the
maintenance
of
trash
area
which
now
have
more
direct
funding,
Street
attributes
and
trying
to
maintain
the
the
transparency
all
along
both
Street
facades,
and
we
changed
the
garage
a
little
bit.
The
materials
which
I'll
show
you
a
little
bit
in
the
later
iteration,
but
there
wasn't
a
great
deal
of
change
on
the
the
lower
level
and
the
first
floor
as
it
was
as
it
is.
N
Second
floor
we
did
change
the
unit
mix
and
you'll
see
in
the
building
elevation.
One
of
the
things
that
was
being
asked
of
us
is
to
simplify
the
facade
a
bit
and,
to
that
end
we
needed
to
change
the
unit
mix
and
we've
changed
the
layout
of
the
upper
floors.
There
was
a
comment
about
this
two-bedroom
unit
in
the
corner
and
it
was
more
of
a
smaller
Niche.
N
We
were
able
to
relay
out
that
building
that
that
unit
to
create
a
larger
area
of
wall
facade
and
with
the
same
and
amount
of
square
footage
for
the
unit
and
created
a
much
greater
size
and
opening
and
greater
availability
for
light
and
ventilation.
N
There
was
one
all
the
way
to
the
left
of
your
screen.
Where
there's
now
a
one
bedroom
unit,
we
eliminated
the
access
from
that
and
added
a
unit
to
that
space.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
the
changes
that
we
did
to
modify
the
plan
both
programmatically
as
well
as
through
the
process
of
trying
to
simplify
the
building
facade.
One
of
the
things
that
when
we
come
up
you'll
see
that
we
did
remove
the
Juliet
balconies.
N
They
just
did
not
provide
any
functional
benefit
and,
in
fact,
a
bit
of
a
detriment
with
some
of
the
things
that
we're
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
building
facade
and
we'll
try
to
address
those
in
a
later
and
later.
Drawing
next
slide,
please.
Basically,
this
is
a
reiteration
of
the
same
thing.
The
unit
layouts
are
similar
as
we
move
up
through
the
building
and
we
could
probably
go
through
these
fairly
quickly
until
we
get
to
the
upper
level.
N
N
N
N
Also,
but
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
we
saw
quite
a
bit
or
heard
quite
a
bit
was
that
the
facade
was
a
little
bit
too
there's
too
many
elements
and
to
that
end,
I
think
we
tried
to
address
it
and
I
hope
successfully
by
you
know
focusing
the
arched
element
where
there
were
units,
whereas
before
there
was
some
play
interplay
with
the
you
know,
there
was
a
lower
level
break
that
didn't
have
any
functional
relationship
for
the
building
and
I
think
it
also
led
to
the
fact
that
there
was
a
lot
going
on
in
the
facade.
N
Now
we
kind
of
unified
that
raised
the
brick
height
up.
You
know
in
that
area
we've
also
in
the
arched
area.
We
now
have
units,
and
we
think
that
we,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
raise
the
ceiling
right
in
there,
which
gives
us
the
ability
to
add
some
transom
windows
to
the
top
of
those
units
of
that
at
that
one
area
there
and
the
building
on
the
lower
level
is
predominantly
brick
until
we
come
around
to
the
back
beside
where
we
wrap
the
brick
around
the
corner.
N
But
then
we
did
change
the
materiality
of
the
parking
garage
and
the
transparency.
The
parking
garage
is
now
open
air,
but
we
are
using-
and
it's
not
really
rendering
very
well
and
we'll
it
could
bring
a
sample
of
it,
but
a
kind
of
a
mesh
screen
so
that
there
is
both
security,
but
as
well
as
transparency
and
light
and
ventilation
throughout
the
garage.
N
So
I
think
that
this
also
provides
greater
amount
of
daylight
within
the
garage
which
I
think
will
lead
to
Greater
security
and
we've
simplified
some
of
the
materials
by
using
the
Hardy
siding
cement,
siding.
You
know
on
that
lower
level
on
that
garage
area,
and
we
raise
the
you
know.
Basically,
a
safety
guard
rail
around
that
first
or
second
floor
deck
area
in
the
play
area.
Currently
we
have
turned
off
the
landscaping
and
the
elevations.
N
The
Landscaping
was
Sometimes
obscuring
some
of
the
details
in
there
and
we
could
bring
that
into
both
the
3D
reviews,
as
well
as
the
the
colored
renderings,
but
it
does.
The
trees
do
obscure
some
of
the
building
facades
so
right
now
we're
leaving
that
off
and
that
that
comes
into
play
both
where,
if
it
was
just
circling
her
hand
around,
as
well
as
where
it
is
currently
up
in
the
upper
level.
That
would
be
you
know,
we
do
have
Trees
and
Landscaping
that
are
in
those
areas
that
will
make
that
area.
N
Signs
on
the
other
side,
we
did
eliminate
one
of
the
curved
roofs
reason
being
is
that
it
again
it
didn't,
provide
any
functional
benefit
and
was
also
leading
to
some
visual
confusion.
I
would
say
in
the
facade
and
also
creating
just
a
lot
of
varied,
looks
that
I
didn't
think
we
didn't
think
provided
any
benefit
to
it
through
the
building
as
a
as
it
appears.
N
You
know
to
the
public
and
we
will
have
greater
renderings
of
how
that
first
floor,
Lobby
the
openness
of
it
and
the
entry
approach
to
it
when
we
provide
present
before
the
planning
board.
One
thing
we
did
meet
with
the
fire
department,
and
one
thing
that
we
will
be
doing
is
Raising
one
of
the
other
both
stairs
now
so
if
they
have
roof
access
which
will
change
one
of
the
facades
by
increasing
the
height
of
the
the
stair
Tower
and
it
I
think
we'll
stay
with
the
simple
materials.
N
But
it
will
create
another
break
in
the
linearity
of
a
couple
of
the
the
facades
on
that
on
the
the
front,
the
back
side
and
we
are
working
to
incorporate
that
into
the
plan
and
I
think
we
should
have
it
before
the
planning
board
meeting.
But
that
just
came
up
yesterday
with
meeting
with
the
fire
department
over
some
of
the
issues
for
fire
access.
And
you
know
the
buildings.
Proximity
Is
to
the
street.
O
N
N
I
don't
know
Camila
if
there
was
anything
you
wanted
to
add
to
I
know:
I
went
through
that
fairly
quickly,
but
if
there
was
anything
I
you
wanted
to
add
or
I
missed,
Camila
or
Ife,
please
feel
free
to
interject.
It
now.
B
Thank
you
Peter
many
comments
from
the
board.
We'll
start
with
you
much
again.
E
Thanks
yeah,
it
seems
to
be
some
things
that
are
advancing
here
in
a
in
a
pretty
okay
way:
I
mean
I,
like
the
subtraction
of
the
secondary
curved
roof.
I
think
that
was
a
smart
move.
It
simplifies
the
forms
and
the
massing
it's
kind
of
hard
to
comment
on
the
facade,
especially
the
north
facade,
without
knowing
sort
of
the
you
know
what
you're
thinking
in
terms
of
material
and
color.
E
So
that
will
be
helpful
to
understand.
I
mean
right
now.
It
looks
like
floors.
Two
through
five
are
pretty
Relentless.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
the
South
facade,
the
South
elevation
I
can
see
some
differences
in
colors
or
tones,
whereas
the
north
elevation
I
can't
so
I'm,
not
arguing
that
you
should
go
back
from
work
complexity,
but
just
it'd
be
helpful.
O
N
N
E
Then,
in
terms
of
the
entry
I,
it
hasn't
changed
since
your
sketch
presentation
so
again,
I'm
gonna,
point
to
that
and
say
I
I,
don't
think
it's
working
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
corner
and
it
doesn't
look
like
a
good
entrance.
I,
don't
know
what
you've
changed
there.
You
said
you
would
have
some
comments
at
the
board
meeting,
but
I
I
still
don't
think.
That's
quite
right.
B
Okay
to
the
applicant,
you
have
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
our
comments.
At
the
end
of
all
the
board
members
comments,
Emily.
C
Thank
you,
yeah
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
lot
easier.
When
we
see
the
renderings
like
Mitch
said
I
can
see
the
development
this
iteration
is
getting
I,
don't
have
a
word
for
it.
It's
getting
clearer
where
the
building
is
going
and
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
more
sense.
There
were
a
lot
of
different
pieces
before
and
now
I
can
see
that
it
makes
sense
with
the
plan.
C
The
extrusions
are
for
a
reason,
instead
of
just
being
checked
on
and
so
I
think
that
lends
some
authenticity
to
why
the
facade
is
moving
the
way
it
is
I
liked
the
columns
that
were
happening
before,
because
it
was
a
way
to
break
up
that
long
expanse
on
the
North
facade,
I,
don't
like
Mitch,
said:
I,
don't
think
they
have
to
be
the
thing,
but
that
might
prove
to
be
a
challenge
you
know
from
where
the
curved
roof
goes
towards
the
West.
C
That's
a
really
large
sort
of
monotonous
facade,
so,
like
I,
said,
I'll
Reserve
until
I
see
your
renderings
with
color
and
lighting,
and
everything
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
take
a
deep
dive
into
that
entry
corner.
You
know,
like
Mitch
said
we
see
the
ramp,
it's
really
kind
of
hard
to
see
from
the
elevations.
C
How
much
depth
is
there
and
how
much
usable
space
would
be
there,
but
that
I
think
that
would
be
really
useful
for
us
all
to
look
at
how
you're
entering
the
building
there
and
then
I
guess
also
the
ramp
on
the
North
side,
since
those
are
the
two
most
public
entrances
to
just
kind
of
zoom
into
those
and
I
think
your
changes
in
the
plan
make
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
nice
to
see
your
interior
corner
was
squared
off
at
a
90.
C
I
think
that'll
give
a
lot
more
light,
and
that
makes
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
that
two-bedroom
and
and
I
think
other
amenities
make
a
lot
of
sense
as
well.
So
thanks.
B
D
I'm
here,
I'll
make
mine,
quick
I
mean
yeah,
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
to
judge
the
sort
of
you
know:
visual
progression
of
this
project
with
an
elevation
like
this,
so
a
little
color
would
be
great
I
I.
D
Second,
the
points
about
the
entrance
I
think
that
there
are
others
similar
scale
buildings
that
have
done
Corners,
with
columns
in
more
interesting
and
sort
of
open
ways
that
make
this
part
of
town
feel
more
pedestrian
friendly
Plus,
some
of
the
thicker
columns
and
Corners
I
inhibit
visibility,
which,
on
a
busy
intersection,
could
be
something
to
consider
in
the
long
term.
D
The
only
other
thing
I'll
say
is,
if
you
can
incorporate,
perhaps
silhouettes
of
larger
trees
on
the
street,
just
to
get
a
sense
of
massing
of
how
big
they
are
and
where
they
go.
That
would
be
great
to
evaluate
with
materiality
and
then
lastly,
I
might
have
said
this
before,
but
you
have
a
great
outdoor
rooftop
space
would
love
for
this
to
be
a
president
and
see
more
of
this.
D
If
you
could
incorporate
some
Landscaping
there,
Beyond
just
large
Planters
something
a
little
bit
more
integrated
to
have
some
vertical
green
I.
Think
that
would
be
fantastic
but
other
than
that
yeah
I
look
forward
to
seeing
something
a
bit
more
visual.
B
Thanks
Daniel
can
I
see
the
first
floor
again
the
ground
floor.
B
Yeah
I
agree
that
entrance
seems
really
tight,
that
vestibule
for
building
that
large
70
units
seems
really
small.
I,
don't
know
the
single
door
throws
me
off
as
the
main
entrance.
B
B
On
that
North
elevation
I
think
it
really
depends
on
how
strong
that
arched
piece
is.
It
might
be
able
to
balance
the
you
know,
flatness
or
blandness
of
the
rest
of
the
elevation
I.
Remember
that
before
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
contrast
between
that
arched
piece,
I
think
it
was
black
and
then
the
rest
was
like
a
lighter
color.
B
It
might
balance
that
elevation
once
you
have
it
rendered
and
then,
as
far
as
the
Landscaping
I
think,
I
was
the
one
to
mention
that
it
really
obscures
the
the
architecture
behind
it,
but
if
you're,
if
there's
a
way
that
you
can
render
that
more
translucent,
so
that
we
can
see
like
the
ghosting
of
where
the
landscape
vision
is
but
still
be
able
to
see
the
rest
of
the
building,
I
think
that
would
work
on
a
rendering.
But
those
are
my
comments.
I
think
that
corner
needs
design
work.
It
feels
tight.
B
N
Yeah
I
think
the
comments
are
still
are
well
taken
and
I
think
we
did
have
different
columns
before
we
took
those
away
trying
to
simplify
things,
but
I
did
kind
of
like
the
change
in
materiality
I
also
think
the
brick
columns
get
a
little
bit
massive
just
by
their
very
nature
and
what
they
need
to
do
and
I
do
think
that
that
might
I
know
if
we're
talking
about
we
had
before
we
had
metal
columns
kind
of
exposed.
N
That
I
also
think
could
bring
a
color
element
in
and
I
think
working
with
widham
and
Ife
we're
gonna
we're
starting
to
really
focus
on
that
landscaping
and
I
can
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
the
space
and
we'll
start
see
how
we
can
do
that.
You
know
a
little
bit
better
and
articulate
a
little
bit
better
so
that
people
understand
you
know
we.
N
Unfortunately,
you
know
we
are
struggling
with
the
fact
that
you
know
setting
the
building
three
feet
up,
has
a
spatial
requirement
of
ramps
and
stairs
which
you
don't
ordinarily
have
if
we,
you
know
had
were
able
to
set
the
building
down
on
the
ground
which
the
realities
are.
You
know
is
the
new
archetype.
If
you
will
these
buildings
out
of
plinth
in
essence,
and
we
just
needed
and
I,
you
know
very
willing
to
take
a
little
bit
greater
dive
into
that.
K
Yeah,
so
we
will
work
with
Pastor
artillery
look
at
this
entrance
area.
We
got
all
your
comments
about.
You
know
it's
not
feeling
so
welcome
right
now,
so
we
can
take
out
another
look
at
those
and
we
could
also
prepare
a
section
incorporating
the
last
few
elements
in
here,
because
we
do
have
plantings
in
front
of
the
building
in
in
these
areas
and
it's
not
showing
right
now.
We
could
show
some
of
that
for
the
penny
board
meeting
as
well.
C
Have
another
small
request:
sorry
sorry
Nikki,
just
a
visual
representation
for
next
time.
You
know
on
Seneca
and
on
13
to
include
the
bank
and
I
think
it's
Falco,
just
the
neighbors
and
getting
a
quick.
It
can
be
a
super,
quick
and
dirty
sort
of
collage
or
sketch.
However,
you
want
to
do
it,
but
I
think
that
would
help
us
understand
Gail
in
the
context,
a
bit.
G
G
F
Was
going
to
say
something
very
similar
thanks
Emily
that
works
and
I
think
just
as
other
people
are
saying,
I
think
we
really
do
need
to
see
the
colors
on
there
for
these
elevations.
F
As
you
know,
as
you
heard,
and
then
I
think,
just
that
deeper
dive
of
perspectives
or
whatever
you
can
give
us
that
will
show
that
entry
and
the
other
inside
outdoor
outside
spaces
that
you
have
because
I
think
those
are
really
great,
that
you've
Incorporated
them.
Thank
you.
B
I
think
some
some
are
staying
for
the
next
Argos
and
expansion.
A
P
I,
don't
see
Avi
I,
don't
know
if
he
I,
assuming
he
was
going
to
join
us
he's
not
in
the
waiting
room,
but
if
he
joins
the
Letterman
okay.
Well,
we
can
get
started
good
afternoon.
P
P
So
the
package
that
you
have
seen
is
really
the
same
package
that
we
submitted
before,
but
we
hit
pause
because
of
the
potential
zoning
variants
for
the
parking
lot
for
parking
in
general
and,
as
you
all
probably
know,
that's
gone
on
its
own
trajectory
through
common
Council
and
has
now
been
approved
as
a
No
Parking
requirement
Zone.
P
So
we're
back
having
started
the
process
before
and
now
we're
back
to
pick
things
up
where
we
left
off
one
thing
to
note:
previously:
we
had
gone
through
ilpc
already,
so
we've
already
gotten
their
comments
and
feedback
and
and
I'm
pretty
sure
we
actually
got
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
If
not,
it's
I'm,
not
sure
about
that
Nikki
I,
don't
know.
If
you
know
I
think
we
did.
P
So
we
were,
we
just
paused
with
the
whole
Cyclone
review
process
itself,
so
we're
back
to
go
through
seeker
and
and
pick
up
where
we
left
off.
I
can
share
my
screen
just
to
remind
everyone
of
where
we
were
and
we're
happy
to
get
feedback
and
comments
today,
let
me
start
with
the
site
plan.
So
again,
this
is
the
same
package
we
submitted
a
long
time
ago.
P
Scott
has
put
together
a
site
plan
that
shows
our
Edition.
This
is
the
existing
building.
P
This
is
the
addition
here
in
the
corner
and
there's
also
the
one
story
existing
building
here
as
well,
so
that
there's
two
pieces
we've
got
the
addition
that
kind
of
ties,
those
two
buildings
together
and
then
we
also
have
this
smaller
proposed
service
building,
which
is
really
kind
of
at
the
end
of
the
parking
lot
and
really
creates
a
a
separation
between
this
new
back
outdoor
space,
which
is
really
a
recreation
and
to
some
degree
of
what
is
currently
in
the
footprint
of
where
the
building
the
proposed
Edition
will
be.
P
So
there's
some
really
basically
improvements
all
along
the
back
property
line
and
Landscape
improvements,
but
everything
from
the
Edition
and
the
new
building
South
is
already
developed,
landscaped
and
so
forth.
So
we're
not
anticipating
any
changes
from
there
to
the
South.
It's
all
from
that
line
to
the
north
that
we're
talking
about
and
then
just
a
quick
I
do.
P
We
do
have
a
few
sections
sketch
sections
that
we
had
done
before,
just
looking
at
relationship
to
the
neighbors,
uphill
and
so
forth,
and
the
the
canopy
of
trees,
and
so
this
is
the
addition
here
and
the
new
construction
and
we'll
present
this
in
much
more
detail
at
the
planning
board,
because
that
will
be
the
actual
public
hearing
and
then,
let's
see
just
some
visuals
additional
visuals
of
that
service
building
at
the
end
of
the
parking
lot.
P
This
is
shown
here
by
the
way,
is
a
future
proposed
Edition
on
top
of
the
existing
one-story
building?
That's
not
currently
part
of
the
project.
It
is
something
that
I
believe
we
we
ran
that
by
iopc,
but
it's
not
it's
kind
of
a
future
phase
and
what
is
what
was
submitted
right
now?
Is
this
these
elevations
showing
the
existing
on
the
left
here
the
new
proposed
and
you
can
see
that
future
Edition
over
that
one
story
building
which
is
really
tucked
into
the
hillside.
P
As
you
can
see,
Scott
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that
very
sorry.
It
was
a
very
quick
presentation,
but
no.
O
No
we're
we're
sorry
to
lose
the
design
work
of
the
area
where
this
will
be,
but
the
recreation
I
think
will
be
fantastic
on
its
own,
so
so
I
think
that's
all
we
we
have
at
this
point
glad
to
to
be
launching
this
as
well
again.
P
O
P
Just
wanted
to
show
this
visual.
This
is
it's
very
similar
to
the
kind
of
relationship
with
the
hill
side.
That's
there
now
with
the
walkway
that
goes
up
into
the
an
upper
sitting
area
in
a
lower
sitting
area,
but
that'll
be
I'm
assuming
much
more
enhanced
than
what
it
is.
Even
today,
with
Scott's
new
design.
B
Thank
you
Noah.
Let's
start
with
Daniel
this
time,.
D
D
Mean
I'll,
say
again
really
exciting
project
I'm
glad
it
progressed.
You
know.
Through
you
know,
parking
variance
is
the
way
that
it
needed
to
I
would
just
say
for
the
planning
board
meeting
it'd
be
great
to
get
the
actual
elevations
of
the
proposed
structure
modification.
So
the
new
buildings
that
potential
second
edition
over
the
existing
structure
is
really
great.
But
that's
not
you
know
coming
to
the
planning
board
anytime
soon,
so
for
the
time
being,
elevations
for
what
is
actually
being
proposed,
but
other
than
that
really
awesome.
B
Thanks
Daniel
Emily
thank.
C
You
yeah
I
agree.
This
is,
it
seems
like
you're,
adding
what
should
have
been
there
in
the
first
place
in
a
way,
you've
been
able
to
kind
of
seamlessly
recreate
the
term
of
what's
there
in
a
in
a
bigger
building
and
a
new
Terrace,
so
I
think
it
works.
There's
still
probably
works
better
I
think
the
new
proposed
building
at
the
end
of
the
parking
lot
is
going
to
be
great
to
Shield
folks
sitting
at
the
back
Terrace
from
the
actual
parking
and
the
dust
and
the
you
know,
commotion.
C
That
goes
along
with
that.
Otherwise
I
think
the
addition
itself
fits
perfectly
I
mean
it
looks
like
it
was
meant
to
be
there.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
lot
of
comments.
Otherwise
it's
great
thanks.
E
Yeah
I'd
love
to
see
this
coming
back.
It's
a
great
project
and
you've
done
some
really
nice
work.
I
love
the
new
Terrace
in
the
back.
That's
great.
E
It
looks
like
there's
a
wall
at
the
upper
level,
I'm,
not
understanding
if
that's
crossing
a
property
line
or
what's
happening
there,
but
I
assume
it's
on
your
property,
the
upper
one,
the
upper
wall
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
the
parking,
that's
great
I
didn't
know
about
your
your
variance
and
that's
fantastic
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
parking
lot
as
you
envision
it
is
going
to
work.
E
You
know
the
spaces
on
the
the
right
there,
especially
at
the
bottom.
Look
really
short
and
I
know:
there's
a
dumpster
there
and
there's
always
been.
You
know,
on
crowded
nights,
difficulty
getting
in
and
out
so
I,
don't
know
if
you've
got
any
kind
of
like
good
solutions
for
how
to
manage
that
a
little
bit
more
coherent
way.
But
and
then
my
last
comment
is
about
the
addition,
and
you
know
it
looks
from
amassing
perspective-
looks
to
be
really
nice
and
fit
right
in.
E
There
was
an
elevation
looking
from
State
Street
back
it
looked
like
it
was.
The
addition
was
looming
over
the
existing
building
yeah
that
one
on
the
bottom,
maybe
I'm
not
yeah,
is
that
the
existing
structure
in
the
foreground
in
the
white
and
then
in
the
back
is
the
new
building
over
it.
E
B
I
agree:
Mitch,
thanks
for
the
presentation,
I
really
enjoy
the
hand
drawn.
Some
of
it
looks
and
drawn
I
think
it
really
fits
in
great.
It's
very
successful
I
had
a
couple
questions.
If
you
can
bring
out
the
site
plan.
L
B
The
upper
parts
are
not
that
little
wedge
access
point
on
the
right.
Is
that,
like
six
feet,.
P
Over
here
from
the
accessible
loading
area,
it's
probably
a
little
bit
less
than
that-
it's
probably
four
or
five
feet,
but
it
would
be
an
accessible
route
to
that
lower
Terrace
for
sure.
G
B
There
you
know,
and
then
my
other
question
was
about
lighting.
Have
you
thought
about
your
lighting
design
in
the
area?
I
think
that
will
really
be
like
important
for
how
the
space
feels
right
now,
I
really
enjoyed
the
lighting
of
the
existing
area.
It's
very
soft
lighting,
very
inviting
I
feel
like
I'm,
not
even
in
Ithaca
or
United
States,
maybe
I'm
somewhere
in
Italy,
when
I'm
back
there.
So
I
think
that's
an
important
design
point
that
we
don't
see
drawn
but
I
think
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
some
sketches
or
some
renderings.
O
B
Right
and
then
I
assume,
there's
going
to
be
also
a
canopy
or
some
type
of
tensile
structure
over
this.
P
B
So
now
is
your
opportunity
to
respond
to
everybody's
comments.
Yeah.
P
I
think
the
the
one
thing
just
to
clarify
I
think
what
looks
like
a
property
line
is
actually
this
overhead
line
going
through
here.
So
all
of
the
landscape
improvements,
the
wall
are
actually
on
the
property
that
it's
harder
to
see
it's
not
as
heavy,
but
that's
the
property
line
back
there
and
then
in
terms
of
the
existing
parking.
It's
a
really
good
question
I
mean
it
was
always
constrained
and
tight
in
that
front.
P
Corner
I
did
want
to
just
clarify
that
part
of
the
management
of
this
parking
lot
and
it'll
it
currently
and
it'll,
be
even
to
a
greater
degree
is
that
these
parking
spaces
are
for
the
guests
of
the
hotel.
Only
there
probably
have
been
times
where
some
of
us
have
parked
in
this
parking
lot,
maybe
not
knowing
that,
but
in
the
future,
because
we're
expanding
the
number
of
rooms.
That
really
is
the
intense.
So
we
don't
see
a
tremendous
amount
of
pressure
on
this
parking
lot.
G
P
Different
experience
than
going
to
the
the
bar
or
the
warehouse
next
door,
so
it
is
going
to
be
a
more
heavily
managed,
I
think
just
naturally
I
think
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
more
attention
to
that
Scott
I,
don't
know
if
I
missed
anything
else
that
may
have
been
commented,
I
think
at
I.
L
Just
want
to
answer
Elizabeth's
question
about
how
wide
that
is.
Our
drawing
shows
that
side
on
the
right
being
four
feet
wide
and
then
on
the
left,
seven.
So
we
we
can
adjust
that
and
then
yeah.
P
And
that's
a
good
point:
we
could
right
now
we
could
shift
the
building
so
that
they're,
equal
I
guess
we
were
thinking
the
right
hand.
Side
is
a
little
bit
more
secondary
and
we're
trying
to
favor
the
left
side.
But
that's
a
good
point:
I!
Don't
see
why
we
couldn't
just
Center
it
so
that
those
two
sides
are
equal.
P
Yeah
for
sure,
and
then
one
last
thing
I
did
forget
to
mention
just
in
terms
of
process,
although
we
don't
need
a
parking
variant,
we
do
need
to
go
through
the
bza
for
an
existing
deficiency
on
the
rear
yard
setback.
It's
this
tiny
little
corner
here
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
members
aware
that
they're
we
do,
unfortunately
still
have
to
go
through
this
variance
process,
but
it'll
all
be
part
of
the
planning
Board
review.
B
What
is
our
next
applicant's
a
farmer's
market?
Thank.
P
B
K
Hello
again,
I
should
also
have
Monica
Ross
if
she's
in
the
order,
yeah
May,
Max,
Buckner
I'm,
not
sure.
If
he's
here.
K
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
for
having
us
again
So
today,
we're
here
to
provide
some
updates
on
the
farmers
market
project.
Some
of
the
member
were
here
last
time,
so
I
could
have
talked
about
our
creda's
submission
briefly
after
this
image.
So
we
did
a
very
submit
a
lot
of
things
because
we
already
did
for
the
last
BRC
and
we
did
a
bunny
boy
so
for
this
image,
we're
here
to
show
you
some
of
the
questions
that
we
got
from
the
board
member
last
time.
K
The
building
renovation
piece
will
be
coming
in
the
next
I,
don't
know
a
few
years,
maybe
so
that'd
be
the
next
days
that
we'll
be
talking
about.
So
at
this
point
we
wanted
to
just
make
sure
that
we
have
the
certain
set
out
over
here
for
your
review
and
then
get
a
secret
result.
So
for
the
word
of
our
trial,
we
are
intended
to
preserve
most
of
the
addicts.
K
This
part
is
going
to
be
the
existing
trial
that
going
to
be
keep
in
place
and
from
this
point
up
is
going
to
be
taking
place,
but
we
will
rearrange
the
layout
of
the
Waterfront
Trail,
as
you
know
that
the
Waterfront
Trail
kind
of
goes
on
90
degree
angles
as
it
is
right
now.
K
You
can
see
a
little
bit
in
the
dash
line,
so
intention
of
realigning
the
water
functional
is
to
provide
a
smoother
curve
for
resident
or
sorry.
The
customers
and
other
people
are
coming
during
the
Market
Days
it'd
be
easier
for
them
to
navigate
through
the
site
and
without
having
to
to
turn
around
the
more
90
degree.
Angles
would
be
just
you
know,
easier
to
turn
and
navigate,
and
we
do
have
preserved
the
existing
parking
for
vendors.
K
We
have
heard
a
lot
of
time
from
the
vendors
that
they
are
critical
for
maintaining
their
own
businesses.
So
they're
not
intended
to
remove
or
relocating
their
parking,
so
they
will
be
kept
in
place,
but
the
surface
of
those
parking
will
be
changed
to
reinforced
gravel
for
the
permeability
and
a
lot
of
those
areas
in
this
corner
will
be
kept
in
place
as
well
to
preserve
that
natural
rustic
feeling
of
farmers
market
that
everyone
loves.
But
we
do
intended
to
provide
a
few
areas
where
Visual
and
stabilization.
K
So,
as
you
can
see
over
here
here
and
here,
we
are
providing
terrorist
sitting
stone.
For
you
know,
one
Shoreline
stabilization
also
and
also
provide
additional
City
opportunities.
I
have
some
sections
to
show
you
later
to
see
what
they
may
look
like.
K
You
know
in
this
area
that
we
see
as
a
primary
nose
for
the
and
for
the
farmer's
market
and
the
water
fund.
So
we
intended
to
change
the
material
of
this
area
to
be
concrete,
so
asphalt,
travel
and
then
transitioning
into
a
concrete.
So
it's
like
a
more
stable
surface,
but
we
do
have
floor
lines
too.
K
Breaking
up
the
pattern
and
as
a
way
to
telling
people
to
slow
down
when
they're
passing
by
this
area
and
then
because
of
the
constraint
that
we
have
for
the
site,
I
would
write
ad
access
from
this
entrance
down
to
the
dock,
or
we
do
intend
to
provide
ad
entrance
from
this
secondary
entrance
over
here
and
then
here
along
the
trail.
So
those
will
be
the
strongest
Pathways
that
will
be
really
accessible,
and
the
question
that
we
got
from
the
board
is
that
we're
the
idea
accessible
space
will
be?
K
Is
that
the
blue,
dark
blue
colors
will
be
the
sitting
area?
That's
accessible
by
you
know,
handicapped
people,
so
any
anything
along
those
two
trials
will
be
accessible.
We
intended
to
add
a
few
more
Stone
to
wrapping
around
those
corners
for
this
space
as
sitting
areas
as
We
Know.
The
city
is
always
liking
for
the
project
and
also
at
this
corner,
we're
doing
intended
to
provide
additional
sitting
at
the
clinic.
K
Sorry,
please
launch
for
the.
K
Feature
and
this
area
as
currently
exists-
and
you
may
know
that
we
don't
have
anything
going
in
this
corner,
because
a
lot
of
the
cars
are
parking
right
here,
which
is
a
wasted
space.
So
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
moved
the
trail
closer
to
the
water
is
to
provide
a
bigger
space
that
can
be
used
as
a
communal
space,
and
this
structure
is
the
store
is
not
structure
that
can
be
used
as
a
backdrop
for
potential
performance
base.
So
we
don't
currently
don't
have
any
space
that
can
be
used
for
a
gathering.
K
You
know
like
a
band
playing
doing
Market
work,
not
Market
Days
and
we're
thinking
this
area
can
be.
You
know
a
potential
temporary
stage
for
those
kind
of
performance
doesn't
allow
us
to
have
any
permanent
structure,
but
temporary
removable
stage
will
be
able
to
place
in
here
as
needed.
So
in
in
those
situation,
we
will
have
Sitting
areas,
and
maybe
people
who
are
gathering
here
for
the
performance
other
than
that.
We
have
additional
cities
here
in
here
and
those
are
the
existing
trees
that
we
intended
to
preserve.
K
Or
here
we
were
rotted
the
trail
to
more
close
to
the
water
and
provide
additional
seating.
As
of
right.
Now
we
have
a
gazebo
here
and
a
few
additional
seating
areas
that
we
are
going
to
remove,
but
in,
but
we
are
providing
additional
City
in
this
area
to
you
know
make
up
for
that
loss
and
then
over
here
also
during
Market
days.
K
We
are
intended
to
close
down
the
trail
from
this
point
to
here
for
the
bikers
to
re-run
it
to
the
Promenade
itself,
so
the
Promenade
will
be
the
primary
access
way
for
the
biking,
cyclists,
and
this
will
be
primary
for
The,
Pedestrian
nurses
and
we
Savor
for
pedestrian.
K
Here
are
some
sections
that
we
showed
you
in
last
year's
in
meeting,
but
some
of
the
numbers
may
not
have
seen
this,
so
we
have
been
asked
for
a
comparison.
First,
sections
of
the
same
conditions
are
on
what
the
proposed
condition.
So
for
the
section
A
that
we
have
talked
about,
we
will
have
reinforced
terracing
area
for
people
who
do
sit
down,
and
currently
there
are
just
a
bunch
of
invasive
species
and
you
don't
have
any
access
to
the
water.
K
K
And
then
this
is
another
section
coming
from
the
other
set
of
the
trial,
just
removing
a
lot
of
the
invasive
species
and
clearing
out
the
bushes
to
make
room
for
some
city
areas
by
the
water.
K
This
part
was
not
included
in
the
previous
24
meeting
but
was
included
in
the
PRC.
We
are
working
with
criticism
built
to
improve
the
building
starting
to
let
you
go
interesting
future.
So
we
talk
about
having
additions
on
both
sides
of
the
building
and
then
another
over
here.
So
we
are
going
to
have
future
design
will
attend
our
24
meeting
and
briefly
discuss
what
is
proposing
for
those
three
areas
and,
as
I
mentioned,
we're
not
asking
for
financial
set
plan
for
for
those
building
changes,
but
for
the
secret
purpose.
K
K
So
we
intended
to
replace
that
trailer
without
a
large
Office,
Space
and
then
bathroom
location,
green,
currently,
HSA,
temporary
structure
for
the
Peta
lender,
that'll
be
replaced
with
a
extended
feature
for
bathrooms
and
washing
stations
and
tractions,
and
providing
directly
direct
access,
as
from
The
Trial
to
the
Pavilion
and
number
c
is
on
the
circle
end.
So
as
of
right
now
we
have
heard
from
the
vendors
and
the
public
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
really
go
to
this
area
because
they
will
just
go.
K
You
know
to
the
end
of
the
street
lines
and
then
turn
and
this
area
is
not
being
loved
so
much
as
the
rest
of
the
vendor
style.
So
the
intention
of
this
area
is
to
remove
the
simple
and
and
straighten
them
out
as
the
rest
of
the
render
layout
and
provide
additional
bathroom
in
this
location.
K
And
then,
at
the
entrance
to
from
the
waterfowl
side
to
the
farmer's
market
because
of
the
weather
concern
that
we
have
been
hearing
from
the
Wonder,
we
are
proposing
something
like
this
to
close
up
the
path
to
prevent
the
rain
dropping
into
those
dolls.
This
is
just
a
concept
at
this
point
and
it
can
be
needed
for
you
to
discussed
Jimmy
Howard
approval
process
for
the
building,
and
this
is
on
the
waterfront
sorry
parking
lot
side.
We're
also
intended
to
close
out
the
capture
program,
the
raindropping
down
into
the
stones.
K
That's
it
from
our
presentation.
We
do
have
some
questions
for
the
board
and
the
city
staff.
We
understand
we
will
be
looking
at
Seeker
for
this
planning
board
meeting,
but
we're
also
wondering
whether
it
is
possible
to
get
final
set
for
approval
for
the
parking
lot
and
possibly
go
to
Waterfront,
and
what
else
does
will
be
to
see
for
us
to
get
the
approval
in
this
meeting.
B
E
Yeah
looking
good
I
I
guess
we
don't
have
to
talk
about
the
building
yet,
but
I
still
I'll
just
mention
that
I
still
think
the
ends
are
getting
opaque
in
there
and
something
beautiful
about
that
structure
is
the
verticality
of
it
and
the
airiness
of
it
and
I
feel
like
we're,
locking
down
every
corner
the
two
entrances
and
the
two
ends
I
think
that's
too
bad.
E
Yeah
I
like
that
circular
end
and
the
openness
of
it
and
the
airiness
of
it,
but
anyway,
I
I
think
the
parking
lot
is
there
for
me:
that's
a
slam,
dunk!
That's
a
no-brainer
and
I
think
the
Waterfront
Trail
it's.
It
looks
good
in
plan
and
the
couple
of
sections
you
drew.
But
what
I'm
wanting
now
before
we
approve
is
a
different
kind
of
drawing
and
I,
and
it
doesn't
have
to
be
like
a
super,
detailed
rendering
atmospheric
rendering.
E
What
I
would
just
like
to
know
or
see
is
an
existing
photograph
in
a
couple
spots
along
the
path
and
just
maybe
some
red
lines
that
show
me
where
the
New
Path
is
going
and
where
that
Plaza
would
sit
where
the
concrete
starts.
You
know
what
I
mean
what
those
seat
walls
would
look
like.
It's
we've
seen
this
plan
for
a
while
now
and
the
and
the
the
framework
sections
are
okay,
but
they
don't
really
give
a
sense
of
of
what
the
changes
are.
I
can't
imagine
it
so
I
think
existing
photographs
with
some.
E
You
know,
maybe
digital
overlays,
very
simple,
Line
work
that
just
shows
us
the
spatial
qualities
and
the
kind
of
the
the
horizontal
alignments
of
the
pieces.
I
think
would
really
help
I
mean
my
intuition
is
that
this
is
right.
It
looks
right
I,
like
the
plaza
I
love,
that
concert
idea
that
all
looks
good
in
the
seating
and
then
leaving
that
what
you
call
it
The,
Rustic,
Place,
Ife
I,
think
you
described
it
perfectly
that
everybody
loves
like
leaving
that
mostly
alone,
but
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more
detail.
D
Much
yeah
I
agree,
I'm,
fully
comfortable
with
the
parking
lot
and
happy
to
help
move
that
forward,
but
I
think
to
to
be
able
to
comfortably
vote
for
phase
two,
some
more
detailed
perspectives,
potentially
even
sort
of
extrapolations,
of
the
materials
used
for
the
different.
D
You
know
the
concrete
pavers,
which
I
believe
might
be
Precast
or
laid
in
place
and
such
would
be
helpful
specifically
also
the
reinforced
Turf
area.
I
think
it's
it's
exciting
to
have
a
potentially
programmable
space
in
that
corner
on
on
good
days
and
then
for
the
structure.
Again.
These
were
comments
we
made
when
we
met
at
the
actual
planning
board
meeting
last
time.
But
this
you
know
section
c
or
the
the
rounded
Edge
is
a
really
successful
space
and
I.
Don't
know.
D
I
can
point
to
some
of
the
most
successful
businesses
in
the
Farmers
Market
that
usually
have
the
longest
lines
being
their
performers
being
there
it
being
an
area
of
relief.
So
this
idea
that
that's
an
unfunctional
space
I
don't
buy
it's
a
very
successful
space.
It's
a
necessary
relief
from
a
very
linear
experience.
D
This
is
a
farmer's
market
and
I
think
that,
if
we're
going
to
eventually
talk
about
a
structure,
it'd
be
I,
think
you
could
fit
a
bathroom
somewhere
on
the
premise
it's
almost
as
creatively
as
the
bathroom
that
faces
the
Waterfront
without
disrupting
the
Rotunda
or
the
the
semicircle.
D
Yeah
I
also
think
that
right,
it
is
imposing
on
us
to
make
a
part
of
phase
two
around
the
assumption
that
the
that
part
goes
linear
right,
You,
you
keep
superimposing
the
new
plan
with
the
bathroom,
where
you're
cutting
off
that
corner
as
part
of
phase
two
is,
though,
we've
approved
that
in
phase
three
and
that's
not
the
case
so,
but
otherwise
super
supportive
of
this
project.
It's
it's
evolved
nicely
and
an
excited
Forge.
C
Right,
thank
you,
I
largely
agree.
Maybe
the
place
where
I
might
disagree.
A
little
bit
is
I'm
excited
about
that
round.
Rotunda
end
becoming
linear
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
bathrooms,
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
anything
but
stalls
or
performance
area
when
I'm
there
personally,
I
always
wish
I
could
just
scoot
out
the
northernmost
stall
and
hit
the
trail.
So
opening
that
up
for
me
is
a
is
an
interesting
idea
that
increases
access
from
both
ends,
but
I,
don't
I
agree
with
Mitch
and
Daniel
that
closing
it
off
boarding
it
up.
C
Creating
bathroom
spaces
at
both
ends
is
not,
or
you
know,
maybe
the
bathrooms
are
in
the
middle,
but
having
an
enclosed
space
there
I,
don't
think
is
The
Right
Move.
Those
should
be
the
least
the
enclosed
spaces.
C
I
think
should
be
at
the
least
important
locations
which
is
somewhere
along
the
middle,
which
is
totally
monotonous,
and
that's
that's
where
those
programmatic
things
should
go
and
at
the
end
should
be
really
celebrated
and
I
think
you're
starting
to
do
it,
but
it
should
you
know,
with
the
access
you're
starting
to
do
it,
but
with
with
what
goes
in
there,
I
think
could
celebrate
those
those
points
as
well.
C
I
agree
I'm
there
with
the
parking
I'm
99
there
with
the
Waterfront.
This
is
the
first
time
I
realized.
C
There
was
so
much
seating
when
you
highlighted
all
the
areas
that
are
accessible,
seating
in
blue
I
didn't
realize
there
was
so
much
and
that's
fantastic,
so
I
totally
agree
with
Mitch
to
take
a
somehow
just
a
different
view
of
what
that
might
look
like
from
on
the
trail
and
I
would
love
to
know
how
all
the
different
perf,
gravel,
concrete
surfaces,
look
or
work
if
you're
driving
over
the
reinforced
turf
is
the
reinforcing
what
keeps
it
from
getting
muddy
and
mixing
with
the
gravel.
And
so
maybe
you
know,
I'm,
not
a
landscape
architect.
C
So
if
you
just
give
a
brief
overview
of
all
the
different
types
that
might
answer
all
my
questions
next
time
on
how
those
surfaces
work
together,
that's
that's,
it
I
think
it's
super
close
and
I
think
the
progress
is
great.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
Emily
for
my
comments,
I
have
one
question:
what
is
the
brown
like
site
sight
line
right
there
is
that
right,
no
lower,
lower
lower
there.
G
K
K
B
All
right,
as
far
as
my
comments
as
a
project
manager,
slash
archetype,
I'm
interested
in
both
Logistics
and
detailing
right.
So
what
do
these
transitions
between
spaces
between
materiality
look,
like
kind
of
you
know
tying
in
with
what
Emily
was
saying?
But
what
does
it
look
like
going
from
concrete
to
reinforced
turf
then
to
the
planting
area
like
what?
How
are
these
Edge
conditions
treated?
B
I?
Think
that's.
An
important
thing.
I
agree
that
Locale
to
the
north,
where
you're
putting
another
set
of
bathrooms
is
actually
where
I
usually
hang
out
with
my
kids.
The
most
there's
little
performances
there
and
you
know,
there's
food
area,
there's
also
vendors,
it's
kind
of
a
nice
mix
and
it's
usually
not
as
crowded
as
the
rest,
so
I
think
there's
a
missed
opportunity
to
make
that
a
place
like
another
node
within
the
market.
B
The
other
rendering
I
had
a
little
bit
of
an
issue
is
I.
Think
is
the
end
of
the
market,
the
tea
that
faces
the
Waterfront
with
that
being
capped
with
that
very
blank
facade,
I
kind
of
like
seeing
the
architecture
and
the
you
know,
trusses
at
that
end
was
kind
of
a
really
nice
sections
and
I
think
we
lose
all
that
by
capping
all
the
ends,
if
that
makes
sense
at
all.
But
those
are
my
comments
for
now.
B
Maybe
Nikki
I
know
yeah
I
see
your
J,
your
your
hand
up
Nikki.
Maybe
you
can
comment
about
whether
we
can
approve
just
the
site
plan
and
the
building
separate
Cyclone
approval.
I,
don't
know
about
that,
but
yeah.
F
Yeah
and
Lisa
went
over
this
a
little
bit.
The
last
POC
I
know
this
just
because
I
watched
it
right
before
this
first
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
Ife
for
going
over
that
performance
stage
too,
because
I
like
Mitch
from
the
last
time
I,
was
wondering
why
that
Waterfront
Trail
is
being
moved
closer
to
the
modern
I.
Think
that
makes
sense
now
that
you
laid
that
all
out.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
quickly,
just
something
that
I
was
people
talking
about
the
material
I
think
that's
very
important.
F
F
It's
I
have
some
safety
concerns
about
that,
especially
with
bikes
coming
through,
and
you
know
other
wheels
of
other
kinds
and
then,
as
far
as
we
can
definitely
make
a
draft
time,
a
new
draft
schedule
for
you
all
but
I
think
as
Lisa
had
said.
In
order
to
get
a
we
a
site
plan
approval,
you
do
have
to
get
a
preliminary
approval
for
the
whole
thing.
So,
as
Ife
was
saying,
the
footprint
has
to
be
down
for
the
building
all
the
details.
F
Yes,
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
worked
out,
but
definitely
the
footprint
of
the
building,
and
then
also
we
have
to
look
at
the
old
Seeker,
which
I,
don't
think
will
be
an
issue
either
since
you're
the
building
is
smaller
and
there's
so
I
think
in
the
long
run,
it'll
be
a
there'll,
be
less
of
an
impact.
K
Right
any.
K
O
Just
the
the
Imaging
that
further
images
make
all
the
sense
in
the
world
for
that
Trailway
and
the
water's
edge
we've
been
looking
at
this
and
plan
for
a
while.
We
we
have
some
some
sketches
that
we
can
further
develop
and
bring
to
the
board
for
the
full
planning
board
meeting
and
to
for
clarity
of
of
how
that
edge
Works.
O
This
is
a
new
rendering
as
well,
but
we
we'll
look
we'll
look
at
some
more
just
quick
sections
sort
of
section
perspectives
that
we
can
bring
in
for
that
meeting
for
the
clarity
there.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
We'll
also
continue
to
work
with
the
Architects
on
further
refining,
how
what's
enclosed
and
what's
not
enclosed,
and
how
that
feels.
I.
O
Think
the
comments
about
this
transparency,
and
particularly
the
Northern
end,
are
well
taken
that
the
footprint
indeed
might
remain
the
same,
but
will
show
how
that
is
opened
up
and
we'll
work
with
the
Architects
on
that
and
talk
with
them,
certainly
before
the
planning
board
meeting
later
this
month.
O
K
I
would
like
to
respond
to
the
comments
about
the
circle
that
I
let
Jen
talk
about
the
vendor's
perspective,
but
one
of
the
comments
that
we'll
be
getting
from
the
vendor
and
the
public
that
once
we
improve
this
parking
lot,
it
will
bring
more
people
to
the
farmers
market.
It
would
be
more
congested,
like
you'd,
be
more
crowded.
K
So
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
open
this
end
up
is
to
provide
additional
opportunity
for
people
to
get
out,
because
right
now
you
can
only
get
out
from
here
and
here
and
that's
it
so
once
we
open
that
on
both
ends
like
people
who
are
coming
from
the
trail
they
could
just
get
in
from
here,
and
they
don't
need
to
go
all
the
way
or
here
same
thing
over
here,
I,
just
making
the
flow
and
the
circulation
better
for
everyone
to
get
out
and
faster,
and
so
like
it's
less
crowded
in
inside,
and
the
reason
we
have
the
bathroom
on
both
end
is
to
as
as
attractive
point
for
people
to
go
through,
because
a
lot
of
offenders
here
don't
get
as
much
attention
as
maybe
here.
K
So
as
a
way
to
draw
people
to
this
end,
this
may
not
be
the
best
location
for
the
bathroom,
but
we
feel
like
they
can
act
as
a
destination
Point
on
both
sides.
I
think
Mr
Commerce
also
here
she's
our
brand
administrator.
K
She
can
speak
to
the
grant
expert
at
this,
so
we
are
now
able
to
provide
architectural
design
updates
at
this
point,
because
we
don't
have
to
grant
money
to
support
that,
but
we
could
certainly
talk
about
that
once
we
are
at
that
stage
and
talk
about
all
the
design
trees
we
want
to
make
for
the
architectural
pieces
like
whether
we're
closing
off
the
end
or
not,
and
that
will
help
Jan
to
speak
for
review.
Q
Hi,
so
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
a
few
different
comments.
One
Mitch
mentioned
the
the
airiness
of
the
design
and
and
also
something
about
the
circle
end
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
the
beautiful
design
that
that
Steve
did
years
ago.
That
has
served
us
so
well
that
speak
from
a
vendor's
standpoint,
the
airiness.
Q
While
we
want
to
keep
that
feeling,
it
is
the
bane
of
the
existence
of
all
of
us
who
are
in
that
Pavilion
from
April
through
December
of
the
precipitation,
Rains
Down
on
our
products
and
our
customers,
and
we
have
gosh
I,
don't
know.
Silk
Oak
has
been
in
the
booth
that
that
I'm
in
since
the
Pavilion
was
built
and
a
lot
of
these
things
we've
been
talking
about
since
the
time
that
the
Pavilion
was
built.
Q
Ways
of
handling
from
some
of
the
the
precipitation
and
the
intense
winds
that
that
come
in
in
terms
of
the
circle
and
the
circle
end.
When
we
had
very
few
vendors
was
a
brilliant
way
of
Not
only
was
it
an
elegant
design,
but
it
was
a
brilliant
way
of
fitting
more
people
into
little
kind
of
pie
shaped
spaces
over
the
years
it's
become
the
space
that
is
considered
the
last
place
that
most
vendors
want
to
be
placed
because
it's
so
difficult
for
people
to
set
up
and
get
all
of
their
product
out
there.
Q
So
from
a
vendor's
standpoint
as
well
as
customers,
the
the
proposed
new
design
of
altering
the
circle
end
has
has
gotten
huge
approval.
And,
finally,
the
bathroom
access
is
a
huge
problem
for
vendors
and
for
customers
alike
in
particular.
Customers
that
are
are
differently
able
to
have
a
great
deal
of
difficulty
making
it
to
that.
You
know
the
central
area
and
vendors
who
are
down
at
either
end
have
difficulty
ever
getting
out
of
their
booth
and
getting
to
a
bathroom.
Q
So
customers
have
complained
about
this
for
decades
and
Soho
vendors
and
and
that
that
I
just
want
to
explain
some
of
why
these
changes
are
being
proposed.
From
the
standpoint
of
those
of
us
who
are
down
there,
selling
and
and
the
people
who
are
coming
in
as
customers
and
if
anybody
has
any
other
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
something.
I
As
so
I'm,
here
speaking
as
part
of
Templeton
landscape
architecture,
not
as
widum
I'm
not
involved
in
the
design
of
this
project,
I
have
actually
prepared
and
administered
the
grants
for
it
and
it
it's
it's
complicated
in
terms
of
funding
and
phasing
in
that
the
funding
is
seen
as
phased.
But,
of
course
you
all
need
to
look
at
this
as
an
overall
project.
I
It's
it's
years
down
the
road
before
anything
on
the
waterfront
or
the
building
is
likely
to
take
place
because
there's
no
funding
in
place
for
it
and
they
can't
seek
additional
funding
until
the
parking
lot's
constructed.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
this
in
mind
that,
obviously
you
all
on
the
on
the
board
need
to
make
your
decisions
on
on
the
information
that's
presented
to
you,
but
the
Waterfront
and
the
building
are
are
far
from
final
designs.
F
I,
do
not
really
I
mean
I,
think
we
still
need
to
have
the
preliminary
site
plan
approval.
So
as
long
as
you
can
say,
this
is
where
the
footprint
of
the
building
will
be
that
that's
great,
we
don't
have
to
get
into.
You
know
a
lot
of
detail
with
that
and
then,
if
you
are
seeing
the
Waterfront
is
far,
maybe
we
you.
L
K
Unless
the
board
see
some
something
that
they're
not
seeing
you
at
this
point
well,.
F
I
C
C
Maybe
we
talk
about
a
lot
of
additional
contingencies
and
ways
for
us
to
revisit
where
the
site
plan
is
for
the
structure
itself,
but
I
think
that
has
happened
at
the
big
meeting.
So
so
that's
all
I
just
encourage
you
to
bring
all
these
points
up
again,
so
everyone
can
can
hear
them.
Next
time
we
meet.
B
K
B
And
now
we
have
Cayuga
Park,
formerly
Carpenter,
Center
Circle,
Center,
Circle
project.
Sorry.
D
H
Hi
everyone
I've
been
watching
all
of
these
Woodham
projects
go
by
and
it's
finally,
my
turn
you're
seeing
the
whole
office
today,
all
right,
so
Cuca
Park
we're
looking
at
essentially
a
an
update
to
both
the
site
design.
It's
actually
a
fairly
minor
change
to
the
road
layout
at
one
end,
but
it's
it's
tied
into
this
larger
conversation
relating
to
the
conditions
that
were
included
in
the
final
site
plan
approval,
particularly
those
that
relate
to
the
tcat
public
access
for
public
transportation
through
the
site.
H
Basically,
when
we
got
final
site
plan
approval
many
years
ago.
At
this
point
it
was
pre-covered
it
was.
It
was
a
different
different
situation
at
tcat.
H
We've
been
talking
with
them
extensively
as
we
try
to
meet
the
conditions
of
of
the
site
plan,
approval
and-
and
these
were
particularly
relating
to
the
certificate
of
occupancy.
So
there
were
three
conditions
that
specifically
were
required
for
a
certificate
of
occupancy
that
were
tied
to
the
tcat
public
access.
H
So
some
some
general
context
there
actually
is
an
existing
easement
that
provides
for
Public
Access
through
the
adjacent
property
to
cascadilla.
That
is
documented.
It's
actually
been
in
place
since
the
1970s,
so
so
the
legal
documentation
for
that
is
in
place
in
talking
with
tcat
talking
with
the
adjacent
neighbor
and
looking
at
how
we
could
provide
that
access
in
a
physical
sense.
H
Basically,
what
we
heard
from
tcat
was
that
they
don't
see
a
pressing
need,
at
least
at
least
at
the
moment,
for
utilizing
that
access,
essentially
they're
they're
their
demand
for
Access
through
that
location,
has
gone
down
in
what
they're
projecting
for
the
future
as
part
of
some
of
their
their
impacts
of
covid
and
just
some
of
their
projections
for
future
routes.
H
So
included
in
our
submission,
was
a
letter
from
Eric
Amos
representing
tcat,
basically
running
down
those
conversations
and
the
considerations
and
tcat's
opinion
on
this.
And
so
you
know,
looking
at
potentially
making
sure
that
we're
meeting
the
intention
of
those
conditions
making
sure
that
we're
still
providing
adequate
public
transportation
access
through
the
site
for
tcat
and
accommodating
their
needs.
H
We've
made
some
adjustments
to
the
site
plan
so
that
they
can
better
turn
and
navigate
through
the
site,
as
well
as
making
some
some
adjustments
to
some
touring
radiuses
and
providing
so
that
there
is
still
pedestrian
access
through
to
the
adjacent
parcel.
But
at
this
time
tcat
is
not
interested
in
having
vehicular
access
and
we
have
provided
all
of
the
infrastructure
on
our
side
of
the
property
line
to
allow
for
that
to
happen
in
the
future.
H
But
basically
there
isn't
enough
impetus
for
us
to
utilize
the
existing
1970s
access
easement
to
its
full,
its
full
rights
and
usage
on
the
adjacent,
Property
Owners
site.
H
H
But
the
way
that
looks
on
the
site
is
essentially
increasing
the
width
of
the
curb
or
sorry
decreasing,
the
width
of
the
curb
cut
that
was
previously
proposed
to
a
single
single
Lane
width,
because
in
conversations
if
and
when
tcat
ever
uses
this
breakthrough
access,
they
will
only
want
one
way
access.
H
They
do
not
see
this
as
being
as
needing
a
two-way
drive
lane
to
cross
the
property
line
and
then
also
in
the
event
that
a
bus
is
coming
through
here
and
if
there
was
some
reason
that
they
could
not
pass
through
onto
the
adjacent
parcel.
H
They
wanted
us
to
make
sure
that
they
had
the
ability
to
turn
around
at
this
point,
so
we
have
adjusted
the
the
curb
layout.
What's
in
red
here
is
actually
what
was
originally
proposed
and
what
is
in
black
and
white
is
what
is
being
constructed
on
the
site.
So
it
we
feel
it's
a
fairly
minor
adjustment
to
the
site
plan
to
accommodate
bus
turning
through
this
area
so
that
they
can
navigate
fully
on
the
site
without
depending
and
making
full
use
of
that
that
existing
easement.
O
So
Jacob,
if
I
just
might
add
connectivity,
has
always
been
important
for
this
project
since
we
began
it
years
ago,
this
idea
of
being
able
to
go
from
green
star
and
those
developments
all
the
way
to
the
farmers
market,
and
so
we've
retained
that
we've
we've
built,
basically
what
we've
agreed
and
added.
In
addition,
this
ability
for
tcat
to
make
this
turn
and
if
ever
more
there
is
something
that
happens
on
the
other
side
of
our
property
line,
that's
available,
but
tcat
can
operate
with
this.
H
Yeah,
so
so
we
we
feel
that
we
have
shown
with
the
the
letter
of
support
from
tcat
and
with
these
accommodations,
that
we
have
met
the
intention
of
those
conditions
that
were
included
for
certificate
of
occupancy.
We
spoke
with
City
staff.
Lisa
basically
said
she
didn't
feel
comfortable,
giving
us
that
that
staff
approval
without
us
bringing
it
back
to
the
board
just
to
make
sure
that
everyone
agrees
that
we
have
in
fact
met
the
the
letter
and
intention
of
those
those
conditions.
B
D
C
Yeah
I
agree:
I
think
you've
done
the
best
that
you
can
with
your
hands
tied,
and
we
would
hope
that
circumstances
that
tcat
change
in
the
future,
but
that's
out
of
your
control,
so
yeah
this
is
this
seems
totally
fine.
I
would
just
say
if
this
this
is
coming
to
the
big
meeting.
I.
Think
so,
could
you
just
Clash
us
with
a
larger,
full
site
context
Plan
before
you
zoom
into
this,
because
that
will
just
go
in
the
conversation.
I
think
everyone
will
be
on
the
same
page
quickly,
but
yeah
I
support
this.
B
And
I
agree:
I
think
you
know
it
works
and
if
you
can
just
give
us
some
more
context
on
the
site,
that
would
be
beneficial.
B
G
B
F
H
Yes,
yeah
they
they
saw
this.
As
you
know
there,
they
would
have
access
to
the
adjacent
parcel,
but
if
it
was
blocked,
if
there
was
some,
you
know
if
there
was
some
reason
that
they
couldn't
pass
through.
They
wanted
to
make
sure,
as
they
approached
this
end
of
the
site,
they
had
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
turn
here
in
order
to
navigate
through
the
site
and
have
a
secondary
egress
yeah.
F
H
They
would
be
driving
through
the
parking
lot
to
make
that
exit,
but
but
yes,
we
we
had
previously
had
this
as
the
turn
area.
You
know
the
red
line
was
the
curb
line
and
it
was
just
a
very
narrow.
It
was
just
wide
enough
for
a
car
to
make
that
turn,
and
so
they
brought
up
that.
That
was
a
real
concern.
They
didn't
want
to
get
a
bus
stuck
here
and
have
to
back
out
yeah.
So.
H
And
I
believe
Michelle
is
going
to
be
joining
us
for
that
as
well,
and
also
Catherine.
I
So
hello
again,
everyone
I
am
here
with
my
widham
hat
now,
rather
than
my
Templeton
hat
this.
This
project,
as
we
we
introduced
to
you
all
last
month,
is
one
where
there
were
several
areas
constructed
that
didn't
conform
to
the
approved
plans
and
we're
looking
forward
as
the
development
team.
That's
taking
over
this
project.
So
for
here
it's
myself,
Michelle
Palmer,
Jacob,
Von,
mecco,
Scott,
whitham
and
Catherine
Collins
is
here
from
bism
we're
hoping
that
we
can
take
some
positive
steps
towards
correcting
some
of
these.
I
These
issues
without
having
to
to
disrupt
too
much
of
what's
already
been
constructed
on
the
site
it's
complicated
and
that
there
are
already
many
residents
already
living
here,
and
we
understand
that
we
need
to
take
corrective
actions,
but
we're
hoping
that
we
can
also
also
get
direction
fairly
quickly
from
the
board
after
our
meeting
in
later
this
month,
because
there's
a
short
fairly
short
time
between
now
and
when
the
certificate,
the
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
for
those
persons
living
there
expire.
I
So
if
it's
possible
that
we
could
reach
some
agreement
on
that
at
the
planning
board
meeting
in
August
and
that's
that
City
staff
is
given
direction
to
help
us
complete
any
changes
that
to
the
drawings
that
we
submit
that
you
require.
That
would
be
helpful
and
we
did
submit
at
last
time.
We
discussed
the
areas
that
we're
problematic.
I
We
submitted
some
some
conceptual
plans
that
show
what
corrective
actions
might
be
taken
in
these
in
these
four
areas
and
Jacob
Von
mecco
is
going
to
talk
to
us
about
what
those
are
yeah.
H
Yeah,
so
in
the
package
we
included
a
number
of
drawings
from
the
the
approved
final
site
plan
approval
package,
just
just
for
reference,
so
that
everyone's
aware
of
what
was
approved,
we've
also
included
a
survey
that
was
done
recently,
showing
some
discrepancies
between
what
was
approved
and
what
was
constructed
and
then.
H
H
So
there
are
the
four
areas.
The
first
is
the
upper
parking
area.
It's
it's
at
the
South
End
of
the
site,
it's
at
the
highest
point
and
it's
as
you
enter
past,
some
of
those
existing
utility
buildings
that
remain
on
the
site
and
what
we're
proposing
here
is
to
basically
have
a
material
change
from
an
asphalt
parking
lot
to
a
gravel
parking
lot.
H
I'll
go
through
what
what
the
changes
are
and
what's
being
proposed
first
and
then
I.
Think,
after
we're
all
done,
we
might
want
to
come
back
and
discuss
area
number
two
is
the
entrance
to
building
C
and
Building
B.
H
Essentially,
the
the
walkway
as
constructed
does
not
meet
the
requirements
for
Ada
access,
and
it
also
differs
from
the
approved
site
plan.
So
we're
we're
going
to
propose
a
solution
for
both
of
those
issues.
H
Area
three
is
the
courtyard
between
building
a
and
Building
B,
essentially
they're,
the
the
I
guess
that
would
be
the
East
most
portion
of
that
courtyard
was
originally
shown
to
be
Turf
Lawn
and
in
in
looking
at
the
building
as
buildings
as
they're
installed,
and
how
you
get
access
to
that
site
for
maintenance.
There's
really
no
way
to
get
a
lawnmower
to
that
location,
so
we're
looking
at
alternative
ways
to
utilize
that
space,
different
materials
that
could
be
used
there.
H
That
would
be
lower
maintenance
and
then
area.
Four
is
at
the
North
End
of
the
site,
which
is
the
low
point
of
the
site,
and
it
is
the
access
for
egress
for
building
a
at
the
low
point
and
basically,
the
retaining
pardon
me
the
retaining
wall
that
is
constructed
to
support
that
walkway
and
navigate
the
difficult
grade.
There
differs
from
what
was
originally
proposed
and
approved,
and
so
we'll
look
at
that
too.
H
Also
in
the
package
just
showing
the
grading
plans
as
they
were
approved
and
the
planting
plans,
as
approved
you'll,
see
the
the
access
on.
This
is
reoriented
a
little
bit,
but
all
the
areas
are
highlighted
consistently,
so
we
can
keep
track
of
of
where
we're
looking.
H
This
is
the
topographic
sort
of
as
built
survey
that
was
done
by
TG
Miller,
and
this
is
where
you
see
a
lot
of
the
discrepancies
highlighted
really
the
the
primary
discrepancy
that
you'll
see
on
here
is
at
area
number
two,
the
entrance
connection
to
Building,
C
and
B.
H
And
then
we
have
our
our
schematic
level
proposed
solutions
for
these
areas,
so,
starting
with
area
one
looking
at
material
change
from
an
asphalt
parking
to
gravel
parking.
Just
as
a
general
note,
the
existing
condition
there
has
always
been
gravel.
H
There
is
a
bit
of
a
broken
asphalt,
drive
lane,
that's
in
very
rough
shape,
and
so
we
would
propose
basically
converting
the
entire
space
to
a
clean
neat,
gravel
parking
area
with
wheel,
stop
bumpers
along
each
of
the
edges
to
help
delineate
the
parking
spaces
themselves
for
area
two
you
can
see.
The
proposed
solution
is
to
keep
the
existing
concrete
sidewalk
that
was
installed,
but
to
add
a
second
route
of
access
directly
to
I.
Believe
that's
Building
C
from
the
accessible
parking
spaces
that
would
act
as
a
a
ramp.
H
H
H
Essentially,
maintenance
here,
isn't
isn't
an
issue
except
for
mowing,
and
the
proposed
plan
had
this
entire
section
over
here
on
the
east
as
lawn,
so
we're
proposing
converting
the
edges
around
the
building
on
the
outsides
of
the
courtyard
to
plant
bed
with
shrub
plantings
in
part.
This
will
help
create
some
separation
from
the
first
or
the
the
windows
that
are
at
level
with
the
courtyard
that
are
part
of
the
private
Apartments.
H
So
we're
looking
to
create
some
screening
create
some
privacy
around
the
periphery
of
here
and
with
the
goal
of
maintaining
the
use
of
the
Interior
Courtyard
space
as
a
a
lawn-like
area,
we
are
exploring
using
artificial
turf
in
this
space
as
a
low
maintenance
alternative
to
lawn.
H
At
the
North
End
on
the
low
side,
essentially,
what
we're
looking
to
do
is
encapsulate
the
lowest
section
of
the
retaining
wall
on
the
downhill
side,
with
a
raised
planter
to
help
screen
the
foundation
of
that
wall
from
the
neighboring
property,
but
otherwise
maintain
the
existing
concrete,
walkway
stairs
and
access
to
the
building,
but
improve
the
Landscaping
screening
and
improvements
downhill
of
The
Hardscape.
In
order
to
create
a
more
aesthetic
profile
that
is
facing
the
neighboring
property.
G
I
H
Yes,
so
at
the
moment,
part
of
the
part
of
the
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy
does
depend
on
that
egress.
That's
our
understanding
that
that
is
a
critical
egress
for
the
fire
safety
plan
of
the
building,
and
so
one
of
the
issues
that
we're
looking
at
here
is
is
making
sure
that
these
egresses
are
maintained
throughout
the
throughout
the
remainder
of
the
construction
process,
so
that
we're
not
forced
to
evict
anyone
during
the
modifications
here
or
or
put
them
up
in
a
hotel.
H
H
H
That
is,
that
is
where
we're
at
right.
Now.
We
certainly
expect
to
bring
more
to
the
planning
board
meeting
this
month.
We
expect
to
bring
some
renderings
perspectives
to
really
show
what
it
is
we're
proposing.
H
Obviously
you
know
we
understand
you're
going
to
want
to
review
those
carefully
to
make
sure
that
it
it
meets
with
the
goals
here,
but
we
did
want
to
bring
our
first.
Our
first
pass
at
this
to
PRC
to
see
if
we're
there,
any
major
red
flag
is
any
major
concerns
that
we
need
to
Pivot
on
before
we
spend
any
time
spinning
wheels
at
the
the
planning
board
meeting.
C
No,
no,
you
mentioned
yes,
you
can
start
with
me.
Well,
you
guys
are
taking
on
a
really
difficult
task.
C
I
understand
that,
let
me
say
I
think
in
terms
of
representation
to
help
the
conversation.
You
already
said,
perspectives
and
other
views.
That's
great
I
think
breaking
each
area,
one
two
three
and
four
onto
a
single
sheet
that
might
show
before
and
after
next
to
each
other,
I
I
always
find
that
really
helpful.
C
So
we're
not
flipping
back
and
forth
between
screens
and
it's
not
overlaid,
it's
sort
of
next
to
each
other.
That
might
help
and
then,
in
terms
of
your
proposed
Solutions
I,
think
the
one
that
I
understand,
maybe
the
least
so
far
is
or
are
two
and
three
I
think
or
sorry.
C
Two
and
four
are
the
ones
I'd
like
understand,
better
I
think
one
in
three
make
sense:
two
I'm
almost
there,
it's
like
two
different
entries,
two
different
access
points,
instead
of
one
so
I
think
I'm,
mostly
understanding
area,
two
I,
don't
have
any
other
suggestions
or
questions.
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
just
got
to
unfold
at
the
meeting.
Maybe
can
we
Circle
back
to
me
as
we
talk
through
this
with
everybody
Daniel.
B
D
D
I
have
to
say
some
of
the
modifications
still
feel
like
or
sort
of
aggressively
cost
engineering.
You
know
gravel
instead
of
asphalt
in
a
location
like
this
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
I
would
love
to
hear
a
sort
of
a
definitive
explanation
why
that
makes
sense.
You
know
Turf
for
low
maintenance
instead
of
an
actual
law
and
also
doesn't
make
sense
to
me,
but
I'll
second
Emily's,
point
I,
think
it
from
our
point
of
view.
D
I
I
wasn't
involved
in
this
project
from
the
start,
so
the
more
you
can
you
know
present
before
and
afters
or
or
as
is
versus
proposed
the
better
it's.
This
is
a
tough
one
for
us
to
sort
of
wrap
our
head
around
since
there's
a
lot
of
context
and
background,
but
yeah
I
mean
I'm
personally,
gonna
yeah
either
visit
the
site
or
you
know,
read
through
you
the
documents
you
submit
more
than
once,
because
this
is
a
tricky
one.
D
D
B
Okay,
yeah
I,
agree,
I'm,
definitely
planning
on
walking
around
there
to
further
understand
what
the
existing
condition
is,
because
for
us
to
see
the
approved
condition,
the
existing
condition
and
the
proposed
solution
is
important
area
two.
If
you
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
I
mean.
B
H
Is
the
the
entrance
egress
Point
there's
the
other
building
accesses
over
here
across
the
bridge.
H
B
You
know
the
building
department
will
have
to
give
you
feedback
on
that.
The
other
ones
I
think
I
agree
with
Emily
number
four
I
don't
quite
understand,
but
it
seems
pretty
straightforward
to
solve.
B
Yeah,
the
turf,
why
don't
you
just
have
that
whole
area
be
like
plantings
or
low
plantings
instead
of
a
Turf
area?
Maybe
you
can
have
ground
cover.
I
Well,
I
think
that
they
thought
that
the
the
owner's
perspective
I
think
they
see
the
turf
as
a
space.
That's
occupiable
that
they
could
put
movable
furniture
and
people
could
hang
out
there
and
the
problem
with
grass
here
isn't
just
that.
It's
hard
to
get
with
a
mower
which
it
is
you'd
have
to
bring
a
mower
through
the
building
actually
to
mow
this
area,
but
also
it's
terribly
shady,
and
it
would
be
difficult
to
properly
grow
grass.
There.
F
B
C
H
Yes,
I
I,
don't
think
there
would
be
any
issue
with
that.
We
can
let
the
the
property
manager
know
that
there
will
be
members
of
the
planning
board
stopping
by
to
visit
the
exterior
spaces
are
fairly
public,
there's
no
Gates
or
access.
H
H
Yep,
that's
just
in
the
in
the
parking
space.
So
if
you
drive
in
on
the
access
road,
you
know
the
access
is
up
here
and
you
come
in.
You
can
park
anywhere
in
this
space
and
and
walk
down
to
get
to
get
to
here.
Yep.
O
F
O
It
certainly
helps
to
see
to
see
the
the
the
issues
firsthand
yeah.
F
Because
I
was
going
to
suggest
that
the
last
PR,
so
you
actually
showed
pictures
of
what's
existing
too
so
that
that
yeah,
that
would
take
care
of
that
because
I
I
liked
how
Emily
said
please
have
the
before
and
after
I
suggest
struggling
with
vegetation,
especially
that
side
area
for
and
then
you
also
had
pictures
of
what
actually
was
built.
And
then
you
know
your
solution.
So
there's
those
three
different
plans
plan
views
yeah
yeah,
but
that
would
be
great
Scott.
B
Yeah,
if
you
set
something
up,
I'd,
make
every
effort
to
go
at
that
time.
I
I
think
that
this
stuff
I
agree.
This
is
a
complicated
site
to
understand
without
visiting
it.
So
there's
planned
things,
but
there's
also
a
lot
of
topography
here
and
so
I
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
I
B
That,
okay,
with
that
fairly
soon
we'll
get
that
doable,
I
would
guess
we
want
to
do
that
before
the
meeting
right.
I
B
G
B
F
We
will
make
it
under
12
minutes,
I
promise,
okay,
here's
the
agenda
and
please
interrupt.
You,
know,
win
win
and
if
you
want,
we
are
going
to
have
Hayley
delayo
come.
She
was
going
to
come
in
July
from
Tompkins,
County
sustainability,
planner
and
just
give
us
an
overview
of
the
Bea
program,
which
is
a
business
energy
advisors
which
you
know
could
help
serve
our
applicants.
Possibly
the
usual
public
comments
board
response.
F
Then
we're
going
to
start
off
with
what
we
just
saw:
the
a15,
South
Aurora
and
hopefully,
we've
all
seen
the
site
by
then
consideration
of
site
plan
changes.
So
there
will
be
a
resolution
you
know
created
and
we'll
see
if
we're,
if
you're
ready
to
to
vote
on
that
or
not
okay,
Cayuga
Park,
which
you
saw
and
then
they'll
again
be
another
resolution,
and
it
sounds
like
that
probably
will
be
voted
on.
So
that's
a
voting
action
item,
Ithaca
Farmers
Markets.
F
We
have
a
design
update
the
other
action
that
we
did
have
originally
was
a
Seeker
to
re-look
at
the
seeker
and
I
think
we
should
I
mean
they're,
not
I,
don't
think
they're
completely
down
with
the
footprint
yeah.
It
sounds
like
for
the
building,
but
we
can
at
least
look
at
the
other,
the
old,
the
secret.
That
was
that
you
guys
passed.
So
you
know
the
nag
deck
so
we'll
include
that
in
your
packet.
D
F
D
D
They
they
keep
coming
back
to
us
with
the
the
footprint
of
the
third
phase
design,
which
I
know
they
don't
have
funding
for
and
they're
still
going
to
plan,
but
ultimately
parts
of
phase
two
and
face
face
phase,
one
sort
of
like
a
budget
right,
so
I,
wonder
yeah.
D
D
F
F
That's:
okay!
That's!
Okay!
So
then,
for
site
plan
approval.
Yes,
we
will.
You
will
vote
on
a
preliminary
site
plan
approval.
H
F
C
F
C
B
D
A
D
G
F
B
L
F
C
F
C
C
F
I
think
you're
right,
okay,
so
good
question,
so
thank
you.
Argo
is
an
expansion.
We've
got
on
board
presentation,
lead
agency
and
public
hearing.
F
Yep
I
was
about
to
add
that
but
I
know
yeah
you
will
and
then
we
have
a
beer
bar
garden
and.
B
F
Blood
distilling
over
on
Tabor
Street,
where
the
old
auto
shop
was
so
we'll
be
presenting
that
and
we'll
you
guys
will
declare
a
lead
agency
if
you
show
shoes
and
a
public
hearing.
So
we
do
have
a
few
public
hearings
and
a
few
lead
agencies,
so
some
new
projects,
and
then
we
have
a
lot
of
sign
reviews.
As
you
saw
for
approval,
we
have
a
steri.
Actually
we
only
have
two:
now
we
have
a
Siri
and
the
dean
and
meldrums
did
say
they
will
not
come
to
the
planning
board.
F
So
I
will
I
will
change
that
as
well
and
then
out
by
10.
I.
P
This
is
really
it's
a
mistake.
I
mean
I
did
not
include
the
bza
Appeals.
H
C
F
B
F
We
have,
we
are
down
too,
we
have
a
few
well,
we
are
going
to
be
appointing
someone
at
this
at
this
yeah
of
our
new
meeting.