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A
A
On
YouTube,
so
we
just
needed
Sam
in
the
room.
Apparently
everything
was
fine,
so
I
don't
hear
the
echo
anymore.
I
can't
explain
that,
but
we're
going
with
it
I.
A
C
Pick
up
but
yeah.
A
Okay,
is
it
time
me
too
Lisa,
yeah,
okay,
all
right
start
over,
dare
Planning
and
Development
board
members.
I
am
ready
to
express
my
utmost
opposition
to
the
proposed
construction
of
a
natural
gas
regulator
station
at
the
corner
of
Hudson
Street
and
Grandview
Avenue
kitty
corner
across
the
street.
From
my
home,
my
parents,
Donald
and
June
Miller
purchased
our
house,
the
original
150
plus
year
old
farmhouse
on
this
part
of
South
Hill
from
Mrs
Garcia
Purcell
in
1959..
A
A
We
have
made
a
long-term
commitment
in
investment,
so
our
little
corner
of
South
Hill
and
have
strived
to
maintain
the
character
and
feel
of
our
neighborhood.
We
even
successfully
fought
with
the
rest
of
the
South
Hill
civic
association
to
keep
this
character
in
the
early
1990s
when
the
city
wanted
to
cut
down
all
the
mature
trees
on
Hudson
Street
in
Weidman
Street
in
the
streets,
so
that
the
vehicular
traffic
could
go
faster
through
our
neighborhood
and
all
this
time,
I
never
dreamed
that
our
own
owner-occupied
residential
neighborhood
was
stable.
A
A
A
As
someone
who
spends
a
significant
amount
of
time
in
my
yard
and
has
chemical
sensitivities,
I
can
attest
to
the
fact
that
fumes
and
smells
do
not
dissipate
easily
in
our
little
neighborhood,
the
occasional
fire
pit
or
Fest
view
of
strategory
for
one
night,
but
to
have
this
type
of
toxicity
and
hazardous
emissions
where
adults
and
small
children
live,
grow,
vegetables,
vegetable
gardens,
Etc
just
doesn't
seem
in
the
best
interest
of
our
health
and
safety,
as
residents
will
breed
the
state.
In
and
day
out.
A
Additionally,
I've
had
I
have
read
numerous
reports
on
the
constant
noise
emitted.
The
molecular
station
regulator
stations
that
again
negatively
impact
the
surrounding
area.
Will
I
hear
the
birth
and
wildlife
in
my
yard
or
near
the
waterfall,
and
my
patio
is
fun?
Will
I
be
able
to
sleep
with
my
windows
open
or
will
I
feel
like
I'm
living
in
a
commercial
Zone
instead
of
a
quiet
residential
neighbor?
A
Go
unless
there's
not
a
constant
level
of
noise,
constant
noise,
regardless
of
the
decibel
level,
does
not
provide
quality
to
life.
If
any
of
us
had
wanted
to
live
in
a
noisy
environment,
we
would
not
have
chosen
to
live
on
this
part
of
South
Hill.
Nyseg
May
argue
that
the
buildings
surrounding
the
regular
regulator
station
will
help
reduce
the
noise
level.
However,
this
also
brings
its
own
safety
concerns.
A
possible
explosion
should
there
be
a
leak
and
build
up
of
natural
gas
in
the
building.
I.
A
Okay,
so
we
did
that,
and
that
was
from
today
Andrew
Miller
and
it
is
sent
to
you
as
well
yeah.
G
A
And
we'll
put
that
on
one
okay,
wait
for
the
next.
This
is
from
Martha
Gabe
Preston.
I
am
writing.
In
regard
to
nice,
size
proposed
construction
of
a
precast,
concrete
utility
structure
10
by
16
feet
on
the
corner
of
Grandview
Avenue
and
Hudson
Street
city
of
Ithaca,
from
reviewing
the
details
of
the
proposed
project
and
photos
of
a
sample
structure.
I
feel
it
absolutely
does
not
fit
in
nor
reflect
the
established
character
of
our
neighborhood.
A
The
proposed
site
is
at
the
southernmost
edge
of
the
South
Hill
Neighborhood
and
is
a
gateway
into
the
city
from
the
town
of
Ithaca.
Hudson
Street
was
formerly
known
as
the
Owego
Turnpike
renamed
Texas
Street
in
the
1880s.
Consequently,
there
are
several
historic
dwellings:
all
along
the
street.
Some
older
homes
in
the
first
flag
of
the
Northern
end
of
the
street
have
been
converted
to
rental
property.
Although
the
600
block
of
Hudson
Street
were
the
site
of
this
application
is
located,
is
predominantly
owner
occupied
by
a
single-family
dwellings
with
long-term
ownership.
A
The
property
is
most
impacted
by
this
proposed
precast.
Concrete
selector
include
the
following:
the
dwelling
at
619
Hudson
Street,
an
excellent
example
of
federal
style
architecture
is
one
of
the
oldest
remaining
homes
in
the
City
built
in
the
1820s
and
occupied
by
its
current
owner.
Since
1989.,
the
house
is
at
631
and
635
and
641
Hudson
Street
are
all
examples
of
The,
Big,
Revival,
rural
vernacular
style
and
date
back
to
between
1835
to
1850..
The
owner
occupants
have
lived
in
these
houses
since
1952,
1959
and
1999
respected
my.
H
A
The
house
is
directly
across
the
street
for
the
most
concrete
structure
at
637
and
639
Hudson
Street,
both
built
in
1950
in
the
craft
spin
style
more
recently
purchased
by
young
families
are
both
currently
undergoing
major
Renovations
and
updates
indication
that
both
families
intend
on
staying
long
term
in
their
handsome
homes
and
our
status,
given
the
residential
and
historical
characters
surrounding
the
verbose
site.
Here
are
my
questions.
Concerns.
A
Does
the
regulator
season
absolutely
need
to
be
at
this
proposed
location,
they're
going
to
be
located
farther
south
in
Hudson
Street
Extension,
where
Department
of
situated,
which
is
a
more
industrial
setting
similar
to
the
utilitarian
book
of
the
precast
concrete
structure?
Can
the
regular
regulator
station
be
buried
so
as
to
avoid
a
10
by
16
structure?
A
Why
is
there,
including
so
large,
it's
the
size
of
a
one-car
garage?
Why
is
the
proposed
Landscaping
only
on
one
side
of
the
concrete
structure?
Why
is
the
structure
so
ugly
and
why
don't
I
see
nice
signal
on
structures
like
this
in
other
residential
areas
in
the
city
I
and
my
immediate
neighbors
are
a
bit
hit
and
also
the
imminently
opposed
to
approval
of
this
site
plan
proposal
at
this
location,
and
we
sincerely
appreciate
the
bunny
board's
careful
review
as
well
as
their
consideration
of
appreciation
of
our
neighborhood
Pride
can
either
put
one
more.
B
C
Lovely,
would
you
like
us
to
read
your
letter
aloud,
or
would
you
rather
speak
yourself?
You
can
read
it.
That's
fine!
All
right!
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Westbourne
Lane
I
do
wish
to
comment,
as
the
consideration
will
be
made
for
changes
in
The
Proposal
book
board
on
renovating
the
beautiful
building
at
105
Westwood.
This
should
be
a
particular
interest
in
the
board,
as
we
are
in
a
historic
district
I
would
like
these
suggestions,
read
into
record
and
shared
with
board
members
and
Advocate
I
wish
to
attend
the
meeting,
but
just
in
case
please
sorry
number.
A
The
present
plan
disturbs
the
beauty
of
both
the
historic
entry,
as
well
as
their
Drive
number
two
given
the
size
of
105,
it
seems
totally
unnecessary
to
place
the
six
concrete
pads
for
heating
and
cooling
directly
across
from
our
lane
casing.
Windows
astronomics
suggests
that
these
pads
removed
to
the
other
side,
where
they
will
just
serve
no
one
number
three
is
this
is
a
historical
residential
area,
not
college
town
I
am
a
guest
that
this
plan
includes
destruction
of
a
major
part
of
the
lawn
which
has
served
students
or
families
in
the
nature
very
well.
A
In
the
nearly
a
century,
one
would
think
that
giving
our
community
is
concerned
for
the
environment
and
the
historic
areas
of
our
city
such
would
be
heavily
discouraged.
Please
do
not
allow
the
building
over
hovering
over
at
this
fine
line.
Number
four
I
see
no
indication
on
this
dimly
printed
plan.
The
level
wanted
to
put
high
stone
boundary
loss
surrounding
the
property
of
long
Westborn
land.
This,
of
course,
is
a
true
historical
feature
in
the
Northeast
that
this
character
in
Elegance
of
place.
A
C
Thank
you.
That
brings
us
unless
there
is
any
member
of
the
board.
Wishing
would
spawn
hold
a
comment
right
now
and
saying
none
that
brings
us
to
site
plan
review
first
site
plan
before
us
is
a
signed
package
review
for
a
steri
at
120,
East,
Grand,
Street.
I
It
looks
like
we've
got
Ife
and
Jacob
and
is
Sarah
in
the
waiting
room
by
chance.
Sarah
Hayes.
I
Away
yeah
Bruce
said
they'd
be
asking
with
the
Vicino
group
thanks
everyone
for
joining
this
evening
and
appreciate
your
time
with
us,
Jacob
on
Michal,
and
you
pay
Fang
with
wooden
planning
and
design
who
are
putting
together
the
application
and
assisting
with
our
process
here
and
then
Sarah
Hayes,
who
is
the
project
manager
representing
the
conference
center
for
the
a
steric
mixed
use
project?
As
you
recall,
we've
got
three
elements:
the
parking
garage,
the
conference
center
and
the
residential
Tower,
the
con.
I
The
parking
garage
is
substantially
complete
and
in
operation
we
did
a
couple
months
ago,
walk
through
a
sign
for
the
conference
center
for
the
cinemapolis
and
that
that
sign
is
being
fabricated
and
going
through
the
permitting
process.
Now
we
also
presented
briefly
some
other
signage
packages,
for
this
project
got
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
the
group
here
and
have
made
some
adjustments
and
so
I
thought
tonight.
We
would
go
through
those
adjustments
and
maybe
get
any
further
comments
or
questions.
I
We
are
planning
to
take
this
through
PCA
as
well.
So
Ife,
if
you
don't
mind,
sharing
your
screen
to
start
with,
we
also
have
a
little
bonus
for
you
Ife.
If
you
could
show
the
string
lights
when
we
talked
about
the
reduction
of
the
vines
on
the
parking
garage
last
time
there
was
a
request
made
in
a
confirmation
that
we
would
proceed
with
some
additional
pedestrian
level
lighting
along
between
the
garage
and
the
stereo
building,
the
drawing
that
ephes
got
pulled
up
here.
I
On
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
drawing
shows
a
little
zigzag
pattern
that
happens
between
the
parking
garage
and
the
stereo
Conference
Center
portion
of
the
building,
and
then
in
the
left
side
there
you
see
kind
of
three
different
images
from
the
front,
a
couple
of
images
from
the
Green
Street
and
then
from
home
Dairy
alley.
I
Looking
back
to
the
north,
and
so
there
was
a
request
made
that
we
present
this
a
little
bit
of
information
as
part
of
our
overall
signage
package
and
so
I'd
stop
there
and
ask
if
there's
any
comments
or
questions
about
this
particular
element.
Yeah.
C
I'm
not
seeing
anything
here
happy
to
see
the
rest
of
what
you
have
for
tonight.
Great.
I
So
we
did
talk
to
the
PRC
about
this
last
week
and
I've
got
some
pretty
good
reviews.
Basically
what
you're
seeing
here
is
a
Car
Center
perimeter
with
notes
and
comments
about
specific
kinds
of
signs,
just
working
clockwise
from
the
top
there's.
You
know
we
talked
about
doing
some
Community
artwork
still,
that's
currently
not
something
we
have
to
present
here
today,
but
that
whole
that
North
Face
has
got
opportunity
for
artwork
along
the
north
side
and
we're
not
going
to
considering
those
signs
at
this
point.
I
Those
would
be
community
art
pieces,
working,
clockwise,
there's
a
little
blade
sign
that
would
run
north
and
south
for
the
folks
that
are
traversing,
east
and
west
through
there.
So
right
there
at
the
very
top
that
northeast
corner
there,
there's
a
cop
CC
and
a
stering
blade
sign,
it'll,
be
small
and
just
visible
to
those
passing
East
and
West.
And
then,
as
you
come
South
Through,
the
Alley
there
there's
a
mystery
blade
side
right
there
at
the
entrance
of
the
residential
entry.
I
Then
we've
got
a
sign
right
over
the
front
doors
of
the
residential
entrance
working
our
way
around
there's
some
vinyl
on
the
front
doors
of
the
conference
center
and
then
there's
a
conference
center
sign
the
items
in
red.
We
actually
have
the
comps
of
here
and
all
of
these
signs
we
do
have
a
spreadsheet
which
I'm,
planning
and
design
has
put
together.
It
shows
all
of
the
different
square,
footages
and
calculations
of
each
facade
treatment.
I
Here's
a
view
of
the
South
facade
and
what
you
see
here
are
primarily
size
and
placeholders,
as
well
as
general
informational
signs.
So
on
the
top
left.
You've
got
a
name
naming
right
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
has
not
been
done
yet,
there's
not
a
named
sponsor
for
the
conference
center
just
yet
so
we've
thrown
a
few
examples
of
what
they
could
look
like.
I
So
on
the
top
left
up
there,
we've
got
a
corner
sort
of
wrap
around
logo
sign
and
then,
with
the
name
of
the
conference
center
facing
south
the
little
orange
to
the
bottom
there
to
the
the
orange
element.
That's
along
the
street
level.
There
is
a
sign
for
the
retail
element:
there's
one
retail
shop,
that'll
be
operated
by
the
conference
center
operator
and
so
we'll
have
a
sign
for
their
facility
there.
I
That
will
be
like
a
little
grab
and
go
non-cash,
not
non-touch
type
grab
and
go
station
for
the
convenience
there.
I
There's
a
conference
center
entry
sign
right
there
at
the
front
door
Center
and
then
also
on
the
doors
on
the
right
hand,
side
and
then
there's
a
long
horizontal
verbiage
over
the
entrance
of
the
conference
center
and
I
I
to
be
clear,
I've,
not
sponsored
this
conference
area
they're
just
using
my
name
because
it
was
very
long
and
had
lots
of
letters
in
it
so
scrolling
down
Ife
to
the
next
screen.
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
corner
of
wrapping
the
logo
around
the
corner.
I
You'll
see
here,
it
says:
West
End
option
one
in
talking
to
the
conference
center
board
and
team.
We
we
had
a
couple
of
options
and
they've
elected
to
go
with
with
both
of
them
as
opposed
to
one
or
the
other,
so
go
back
Ife
to
that
overall
sign
overall
West
entry
area,
but
yeah.
So
this
is
portion
of
it.
You'll
see
another
portion
of
it
here
in
a
minute.
Go
to
that
next
slide.
I
If
I,
then
it
also
shows
we've
removed
that
a
from
the
top
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
word
hysteria,
which
you
don't
you
don't
see
in
this
package,
but
the
word
Asteria
and
the
big
a
have
been
removed
from
the
from
the
sign
package.
I
So
let's
go
to
option
two
of
the
West
End,
which
was
the
the
blade
sign
on
the
corner
and
so
conference
center
entity
in
the
in
the
group
and
the
marketing
team.
All
felt
like
we
needed
both
the
option,
one
and
option
two,
and
so
that's
what
we're
currently
proceeding
with
and
if
you
don't
mind
if
they
go
down
to
the
next
item,
so
there's
a
little
3D
view
of
the
the
blade
side
next
one.
I
So
that's
just
the
Western
View,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
an
overview
of
the
entire
street
level
View,
and
this
is
a
little
view
of
the
entry
for
the
resident
science
kind
of
kind
of
hard
to
understand.
What's
happening
there,
that's
a
little
blow
up
on
the
left
that
just
shows
approximately
in
the
alley
where
that
entry
sign
for
the
residential
entrance
is
going
to
be.
I
So
these
were
just
some
examples
of
some
of
the
blade
signs
that
we
talked
about
and
and
we
we
are,
we
have
engaged
a
sign
design
company
today
to
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
getting
another
level
of
drawings
put
together
that
are
more
descriptive
and
and
which
ones
have
internally
illumination
and
which
ones
will
be
how
they're
going
to
get
mounted
and
then.
I
Lastly,
this
last
piece
of
the
process
is
still
something
we're
talking
about,
and
I
wanted
to
keep
on
the
table
along
the
north
facade
somewhere
in
that
artist
mural
area
we're
talking
about
doing
something
iconic
with
in
a
partnership
with
with
one
of
the
art
groups
and
having
instagramable
pedestrian
level,
something
that
would
allow
for
a
little
bit
of
marketing
and
Place
making
for
that
area.
I
Okay,
so
that's
a
big,
quick
review
of
the
overall
signed
package
again.
This
will
be
presented
to
bza
Ife
when's,
our
schedule
for
that.
C
Well,
thank
you
I
appreciate
that
before
we
move
into
comments
from
the
board
I
know
this
was
in
PRC
and
I.
Think
maybe
the
story
was
slightly
different
in
PRC,
but
you
want
both
the
logo
sign
and
the
blade
sign
and
more
or
less
the
same.
I
C
All
right,
let's
go
around
the
room
and
you
know
take
the
temperature
Garrett.
I
G
D
I
think
this
looks
fine,
I
I
prefer
the
the
wall
signage
without
the
blade
sign,
I.
Think
it's
Overkill.
If
you
have
both
it's
too
much,
but
everything
else
looks
good
for
the
retail.
It
looks
like
you
have
three
days
of
retail
space
and
one
sign
in
the
middle.
The
orange
sign
is
that
right,
Bruce,
but
the
drawing
shows
two
in
the
in
the
westernmost
phase,
the
two
westernmost
Bay,
sorry.
I
If
you
look
yeah,
if
you
look
at
that
yeah,
if
you
look
at
that
back
up
for
a
second
there's,
a
blade
sign
right
there
right
above
The
Pedestrian
on
the
corner
there,
that
would
also
be
for
the
retail
element
right
there.
I
D
K
I
The
orange
and
the
black
I
mean
the
colors
are
are
non-descript
at
this
point.
They
were
really
just
there
to
help
identify
areas
and
and
specific
signs,
so
pay
no
attention
to
the
color
so
to
speak.
Okay,.
A
Yes,
thanks
for
this
I
appreciate
the
treatment
for
both
The
Pedestrian
and
vehicle
traffic
that
we'll
be
looking
for
this
building
as
they're
coming
into
the
city.
I'm
curious,
if
you're
also
intending
to
put
any
kind
of
directional
signage
relative
to
parking
nearby,
which
is
kind
of
curious
that
you
know
I
know
they've
invested
in
the
signs
that
indicate
the
number
of
spaces
just
wondering
if
that's
going
to
kind
of
carry
on
thanks.
I
So,
in
the
in
the
short
term,
we
have
been
having
meetings
that
are
separate
from
permanent
signage
and,
in
the
short
term,
there's
fairly
significant
discussion
right
now
happening
about
a
temporary
sign
that
might
go
up
in
line
of
all
the
construction
activity
to
try
and
continue
to
reinforce
the
entrance
to
the
garage
once
all
the
construction
activity
is
is
away
from
that
area.
I
We
feel
like
the
original
sort
of
big
p
with
the
arrow
that
drops
down
over
the
entrance
is
probably
going
to
be
sufficient,
but
I
would
recommend
and
I
think
there's
been
discussion
at
a
different
group
too
for
the
city
to
start
looking
and
considering,
maybe
some
sort
of
more
wide-ranging
and
comprehensive.
You
know
downtown
way
finding
for
the
entire
area
out
of
all
three-parting
garages.
I
B
Thank
you,
yeah
I,
agree,
I.
Think
the
number
of
signs
in
the
square
footage.
A
Is
appropriate
for
the
building
we've
got
almost
the
whole
city
block,
so
I
think
the
scale
of
these
works
and
I
agree.
A
Logo
and
the
letters
on
the
south
side
I
think
it's.
It
fits
the
building.
It's
maybe
a
larger
scale.
A
A
I'm
going
to
agree
with
what's
been
said
so
far,
I
think
that
both
signs
are
going
to
be
Overkill,
also
and
I
prefer
number
one
I
also
like
that
you
have
both
pedestrian
level
and
a
car
from
signage,
appropriate
sized
Advantage.
For
that
so
I
think
it's
a
good
package.
Thank.
E
C
Thank
you
Elizabeth
for
my
piece.
I
largely
agree.
It
is
a
good
package
with
the
options
one
and
two
in
combination
in
PRC
I
preferred
option
two
and
now
that
we're
talking
about
both
of
them
together,
I
really
don't
care.
As
long
as
we
only
do
one
of
them
and
I
think
the
consensus
of
the
board
is
that
option
one's
better?
C
Maybe
you
show
us
a
drawing
with
option
one
and
two
on
the
same
drawing,
and
we
think
it's
beautiful,
but
I
doubt
it
so
I
would
I
would
get
ready
to
be
happy
about
one
of
the
options
and
pitch
that.
C
And
also
thank
you
for
the
streamlights.
Those
are
great
anything
else
we
want
to
talk
about
on
this
project
today.
Anything
else
from
the
applicant.
I
Nothing
thanks
for
the
for
the
awesome
feedback
and
I.
Think
Sarah
and
I've
got
a
little
bit
of
work
to
do
and
we
may
you
may
see
us
come
back
and
fight
again
for
both
but
I
appreciate
the
feedback.
C
Sure,
thank
you
for
that
and
we'll
see
you
next
month,
thanks.
C
Good
evening,
are
you
waiting
on
other
people.
J
We
hope
that
tonight
we
can
get
the
final
determination
for
Seeker
as
I
shared
with
Lisa
and
Nikki
this
week.
It's
been
this
project
has
a
particular
different
aspects
right.
The
the
actual
cleanup
demands
three
million
dollars
of
of
business
investment.
Just
to
do
the
cleanup.
We
also
committed
to
the
sidewalk
The
Overlook
as
part
of
the
development
agreement,
so
getting
financing
for
this
project.
It's
a
very
different
type
of
project
than
regular
projects
that
we
do
so
getting
financing
it's.
J
It's
been
very
difficult,
not
difficult
for
the
project
but
like
difficult
because
of
the
market,
how
it
is
and
reaching
certain
Milestones
it's
something
very
important
for
us
for
the
bank,
so
we
can
keep
things
flowing.
So
that's
why
I
over
here
at
secret
tonight,
with
that
said,
I
will
share
my
screen
and
Eric
will
walk
through
the
presentation.
E
L
So
this
first
image
here,
one
of
the
requests
was
to
just
look
at
this
rendering
with
a
gray
sky.
So.
H
L
We
just
provided
that
I,
don't
think,
there's
really
much
to
talk
about
there,
but
we
did
our
best
effort
to
put
a
nice
cloudy
sky
in
there,
so
that
we
could
take
a
look
at
that.
Thank
you.
E
L
Have
this
image
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
new
or
to
update
the
group,
but
we
just
have
this
image
in
case.
We
need
to
Circle
back
to
it
foreign
and
then
last
time
at
PRC
we
talked
about
sort
of
the
zoning
analysis
and
the
fire
truck
turn
around
and
the
loading
areas
we
just
wanted
to.
L
Let
this
group
know
that
we
had
talked
with
Jillian
and
because
it
was
relatively
simple
and
straightforward
at
with
this
current
design
to
just
slide
some
of
the
sight
Line
work
around
and
completely
avoid
the
fire
truck
we
just
elected
to
just
do
that,
rather
than
go
back
and
forth
with
them.
If
you
look
here
the
original
Line
work,
there
was
a
small
portion
of
the
fire
truck
turned
around
that
was
within
the
loading
area
which
again
after
looking
at,
we
can
just
slide
this
all
five
feet
and
make
it
a
non-issue.
L
So
we
did
talk
with
Jillian
today,
actually
and
some
and
showed
her
this
and
so
I
think
we
will
be
updating
this,
but
from
a
zoning
perspective,
we're
going
to
still
have
the
required
loading
areas
and
the
fire
truck
turn
around
is
no
longer
overlapping
that
so
that's
some
small
update.
But
if
there's
any
questions
just
let
me
know.
L
Nothing
new
I,
don't
think
on
this
site
lighting
plan.
Really
we
just
wanted
to
put
something
together.
That
was
a
little
more
readable
and
comprehensive.
We've
got
some
parking
lot
lights.
There
was
a.
There
was
a
request
about
the
section,
so
we
just
wanted
to
show
we're
showing
typical
15-foot
pole
lights.
This
is
the
section
that
we
had
included
in
the
package.
Previously
we
just
drafted
in
the
light
pole
more
or
less
shape
there,
but
the
height
at
15
feet
is
what
we're
proposing.
L
Just
a
recap
of
the
materials:
hopefully
the
planning
board
received
the
physical
samples
that
we
got.
L
L
Hopefully
the
planning
board
has
those
and
if
there's
any
questions
just
again,
let
me
know
and
then
finally,
we
did
just
want
to
sort
of
bring
up
the
elephant
in
the
room
of
the
ethos
and
and
talk
about
that
and
get
the
plenty
of
words.
Thoughts
on
that.
You
know,
I
think
we've
sort
of
said
our
information
on
that,
and
you
know
we
think
that
it's
a
viable
product
and
and
think
that
it
provides
good
flexibility.
L
J
Yeah
and
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
point
out
in
this
top
right
image,
we
were
with
the
ifas
we
can
play
with
the
different
scales
of
materials
right,
so
the
ifas
we
can
have
this
large
panel,
contrasting
with
the
small
shapes
of
the
brick.
We
think
that
creates
an
interesting
architecture.
J
J
I
know
so,
in
terms
of
the
last
planning
board
meeting
there
were
I
sent
this
memo
as
well.
So
I
will
not
read
this,
of
course,
but
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
the
types
of
soil
there
will
be.
J
We
sample
all
the
areas
and
we
believe-
and
we
are
confident
based
on
this
test,
since
that
we
will
be
able
to
treat
any
soil
on
site
and
anything
that
would
be
taken
to
Seneca
metals
on
Waterloo
will
be
considered
known,
hazardous
waste
and
that
I
feel
like
can
bring
some
relief
as
well
for
anyone
concerned
about
bringing
contaminated
hazardous
soil
passing
areas
of
the
city.
J
We
also
emailed
the
email
and
call
and
tried
to
call
the
itaka
city
school
district
superintendent.
We
shared
with
them
the
information
about
the
project,
the
amount
of
trucks
per
day.
We
also
believe
that
there
will
be
essentially
no
impact
on
the
school
because
of
the
amount
of
trucks
that
we
will
be
passing
per
day.
It's
like
two
to
three
round
tips
trips
per
day,
so
it's
very
insignificant
in
terms
of
amount,
and
today,
a
few
minutes
before
the
meeting
we
received
the
city
engineering
comments.
J
C
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
around
the
room,
give
feedback
from
what
we've
seen
today
and
then
we'll
dive
into
the
part
three
and
try
to
make
sure
we're
ready
for
a
secret
determination
with
that
Elizabeth
could
I
start
with
you.
A
Thanks
for
your
presentation,
we've
reviewed
the
materials
I
I
love
the
architecture,
I
love
bread,
I
do
not
love
the
Evis
and
it
just
even
in
the
rendering
it
doesn't.
Maybe
just
it
looks
more
like
metal
panel.
So
that's
pretty
much.
My
feedback
on
that.
B
Hi,
thank
you.
Yeah
I
feel
much
the
same
way.
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
interesting
that
this
building
the
putting.
A
I
might
have
more
comfort
with
using
it.
If
we
could
see
some
of
the
detailing
of
the
panels
like
how
you're
breaking
it
down
and
what
the
relief
is
and
I
never
use
efist.
So
that's
partly
my
own
ignorance
and
how
how
that
would
get
detailed,
but
if
it
really
does
look
sharp
and
it
is
10
feet
off
the
ground,
I
think
it's
a
possibility
for
me.
I,
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
convince
Elizabeth,
but
but
that's
how
I
feel
about
ifas
and
I.
H
A
Thanks
would
Echo
these
comments
as
well.
I,
like
the
dimension
that
you're
getting
from
the
wood
with
the
balconies
that
looks
great
juxtaposed
with
the
Evis,
but
again
not
a
real
fan,
especially
a
light
colored
teeth
and.
D
Yeah
I
appreciate
that
we're
at
this
step
and
put
a
long
fall
for
you
all
and
it's
amazing
that
the
site
will
be
redeveloped
after
so
many
years
of
just
sitting
abandoned
it's
a
fantastic
site
and
I
think
with
the
Seeker
you've
done.
You've
really
done
your
homework.
D
We
made
it
quite
clear
and
I
think
we've
taken
a
hard
look
at
it,
so
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
with
that
when
I
I
agree
with
everybody
else
in
terms
of
the
ethos,
I,
don't
think
it's
an
ideal
material
and
I
think
we
should
look
at
some
alternatives
for
that
appreciate
the
brick
and
I
like
the
massive
new
building
and
the
architecture
of
the
balconies
and
wood
in
the
brick,
but
I
agree
that
I
don't
think
he
pisses
is
what.
G
I
pretty
much
agree,
I
I
think
I'm,
there's
a
crack
in
the
door
for
me
on
the
ethos,
because
a
lot
of
the
other
materials
are
very
high
quality
and
I
appreciate
the
idea.
The
contrast,
I
think
a
lot
of
it
depends
on
the
detailing,
and
so
maybe
I
could
be
persuaded
with
a
few
additional
renderings
that
sort
of
detail
exactly
how
the
ethos
would
interface
with
the
wood
paneling
on
those
and
then
what
looks
like
there's
some
kind
of
where
the,
where
the
blocks
are
defined.
G
The
problem
I
feel,
like
you
know,
maybe
that
one
difficulty
I
have
is
I
judge
ephes
on
Evis
that
was
installed
in
other
buildings
in
town
10
and
20
years
ago,
and
the
problem
that
always
comes
up
is
they
just
get
dirty?
They
get
kind
of
soot
or
Smog,
or
is
it
car
exhaust
or
would
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
I
know
that
material
can
be
clean.
G
So
another
thing
that
might
persuade
me,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
details
on
the
on
the
facade,
would
be
and
I
know
how
the
problem
do
this,
but
a
credible
cleaning
plan
I
mean
you
know:
people
safe
can
be
cleaned,
but
I
can
point
to
two
billions
of
talent,
but
it
can
also
be
clean
that
have
not
been
cleaned
and
I,
don't
think
we'll
ever
be
cleaned
and
they're
and
they're
horrible.
So
if
there
was
some
way
to
credibly
commit
that
every
couple
years
there'd
be
a
you
know,
proper
cleaning
of
the
easiest.
C
Thanks
Kirk,
so
I
think
that
you've
heard
some
good
feedback
on
materials.
I
think
that's
worth
addressing
in
the
upcoming
meetings
like
Mitch
I'm
excited
to
get
into
part
three,
and
the
Seeker
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
the
rendering
with
the
gray
sky.
You
know
it's.
G
C
Great
building
but
the
the
wood
and
the
balconies,
the
wood
look
and
the
balconies
really
helps
it
really
warms
things
up.
I
think
it's
the
Saving,
Grace
and
I
want
to
check
in
with
staff
before
we
move
into
the
environmental
Lisa.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Rob
I
had
a
I
just
had
a
question
about
the
wood,
siding
and
I'm
holding
the
sample,
and
it
feels
like
wood,
but
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
it
was
a
wood
look.
L
But
it's
been
thermally
treated,
so
we
say:
wood
look
siding
because
it's
not
the
same
as
like
wood
that
you
would
just
go
get
from
anywhere.
L
It's
it's
very
close
to
real
wood.
It's
just
meant
to
be
used
as
a
siding.
That's
been
you
know
it.
It's
been
thermally,
treated
to
handle
expansion
and
contraction
and
moisture
differently
than
a
regular
piece
of
wood.
L
Not
when
we
seal
it
properly,
so
it'll
get
a
UV
coating
as
part
of
the
finishing
and
then
it
will
not
fade.
J
E
C
Excellent.
Thank
you
for
that
anything
before
we
move
into
the
part
three
of
the
game.
A
B
C
A
Beer's
already
dirty
to
me
that
color
just
throwing
that
out
there,
but
everything
else,
I
really
appreciate.
So
thank
you.
Excellent.
C
So
we're
going
to
open
up
part
three
we've
looked
at
this
so
many
times
you
can
see
all
the
dates
at
the
top
of
this
document
and
I.
Think
each
of
those
dates
represents
a
look,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
spend
a
ton
of
time
on
it,
but
it
is
the
last
bite
at
the
Apple.
E
C
A
A
Complicated
there's
not
there
has
not
been
a
normal
zoning
variance.
Yet
Megan
has
not
seen
those
drawings
when
I
just
talked
to
her
right.
Before
this
meeting,
she
said
that
she
would
still
consider
it
off
Street
loading
because
she
hasn't
heard
from
the
fire
department
either.
L
Yeah
I
think
the
zoing
application
that
we
sent
in
several
weeks
ago
did
not
reflect
this
five
foot
change
that
we're
looking
at
here
today.
So
you
know,
while
it's
I
guess
it's
a
question
mark
of
like
whether
or
not
the
zoning,
how
we
want
to
update
the
zoning
with
Megan
but
I
guess
from
the
fire
department
standpoint
they
they
would
prefer
that
we
move
this
five
feet
sort
of
page
upper
up
and
to
the
left,
which
we
can
do
and
so
from
from
this
from
the
folks
in
this
room.
C
Thank
you
for
the
purposes
of
part
three,
do
we
strike
the
off
Street
loading
section,
or
do
we
treat
it
as
if
we
don't
have
the
new
information
or.
C
I
mean
I'm
inclined
to
think
that
there
is
a
minimal
impact
to
a
lack
of
off-street
loading
spaces,
given
that
off-street
loading
spaces
serve
internal
Penance
and
not
the
community
at
large,
and
these
people
in
theory
know
how
to
service
their
building.
To
what
extent
do
we
want
to
say
that
or
something
better.
A
A
A
L
So
I
I
guess
to
be
clear:
we're
providing
all
four
off-street
loading,
no
matter
what
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
Are
We
scooting
them
back
so
that
the
fire
truck
turned
around
is
completely
separate
from
the
loading
or
are
we
leaving
the
loading
where
it
is
and
the
fire
truck
turn
around
overlaps
it.
So
our
question
to
Jillian
was:
should
we
just
move
it
and
she
said
why
don't
you
just
move
it
and
we
said
no
problem,
so
there
is
no
off
Street
lowering
variance
regardless.
L
We
are
just
going
to
move
our
current
three
off-street
loading
areas
in
the
rear
of
the
site,
a
little
bit
further
sort
of
north
and
west,
so
that
we
or
I'm
sorry,
north
and
east,
so
that
we
are
completely
out
of
the
fire
truck
turn
around.
So.
L
Yeah
I
think,
probably
back
in
August
or
July
or
June.
We
were
probably
contemplating
a
off-street
loading
variance
and
then,
as
the
plans
evolved,
we
realized.
We
could
just
get
these
in
here
and
sort
of
took
that
off
the
list
and
in
the
latest
and
greatest
version
of
the
zoning
application.
We
are
not
seeking
that
variance
and
again
I
think
there
was
sort
of
like
a
dimensional
layout
question
with
the
fire
department,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we're
not
attempting
to
see
get
a
variance
for
anything.
L
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
fire
department
is
comfortable
with
sort
of
the
geometry
of
what
we've
got,
but
we're
still
going
to
provide
three
450
square
foot
loading
zones
at
the
rear
of
the
site
and
then
one
450
square
foot
loading
zone
in
the
front
of
the
site.
That's
more
like
your
day-to-day
deliveries.
C
You
guys
so
yeah
I
I
appreciate
that
that
was
a
question
for
staff
on
the
board
and
I.
Think
the
the
question
is:
where
does
that
leave
us
if
this
doesn't
work
out
and
we
have
to
go
back
to
an
initial.
E
A
A
Can't
condition
a
speaker
unless
it's
an
environmental.
K
A
So
I
mean
I
suppose,
depending
on
the
board's
comfort
with
the
with
the
rest
of
the
Seeker
I
mean.
What
do
you
think
I
can
see
a
situation
which
you
say
what
the
applicant
is
saying
and
if
it
changes
right.
C
So
the
applicant
has
shown
drawings
and
demonstrated
an
intent
to
not
have
to
seek
this
variance.
The
planning
board
has
seen
this
design.
It
has
gained
a
level
of
comfort
with
that
design.
If
the
applicant
is
forced
to
seek
such
a
variance
planning
board
is
comfortable
because
I
forget
why
there's
minimal
impact
and
it's
a
an
amenity
primary
for
users
of
the
building,
and
we
assume
that
the
building
owner
can
has
a
plan
to
serve
their
users.
C
Maximum
Building
height
and
feet
this
is
easier
because
there's
stuff
written
down
and
the
stuff
written
down
is
in
my
mind,
pretty
believable.
You
know
it's
a
weird
site.
Topography
makes
it
weirder
and
yes,
it
is
a
height
variance,
but
it
does
present
primarily
as
a
four-story
building.
E
E
C
E
A
E
A
C
C
Right,
let's
do
that
yeah
I
think
that
I
think
that's
totally
reasonable,
and
then
we
also
have
a
maximum
Building
height
and
Stories
versus
an
actual
maximum
Building
height
and
feet.
It
currently
says
you
know:
C
the
maximum
building,
Heights
and
feet
I.
Think
that
makes
sense
to
me
it's
the
same
variance
in
my
mind
and
then
there's
the
rear
yard.
C
A
C
So
I
think
that
takes
care
of
the
variances
and
I
realize
we've
been
through
this
add
into
an
item,
but
because
this
is
a
Brownfield
site
and
because
it
is
such
a
sensitive
site,
I
do
think
it's
worth
doing
a
quick
pass-through
to
make
sure
we're
comfortable
with
what
we're
saying
about
the
cleanup
about
the
soil
remediation
and
how
that's
all
going
to
work.
C
And
you
have
something
like
so
I'm.
Sorry.
A
Yeah,
there's
just
received
the
comments
from
engineering
about
the
curve
and
speed
warnings
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
is
that
those
is
that
reflected
in
the
assigned
packages.
That's
going
to
be
City
and
salts
signage.
That
would
I'm
just
curious
whether
it's
those
kind
of
you
know
flashing
kind
of
links
to
kind
of
more
people
coming
down
the
hill
or
such,
but
maybe
that's
yet
to
be
worked
out
with
engineering,
but
I
saw
that
there
was
mention
of
it
on
the
top
of
page
10.
A
Yeah
no
worries
top
of
page
10
is
just
referencing
the
traffic
impact
study
and
then
something
about
community
members
and
concern
about
psych
distances.
And
then
the
comments
received
from
City
engineering
were
just
addressed.
That
and
there's
a
thing
there.
C
A
C
All
right
so,
let's
say
we're
going
to
take
that
down
to
site
plan
review
and
say
that
the
applicant
has
agreed
to
provide
curved
signage
and
sidewalk
modifications
which
that's
the
language,
of
course,
to.
A
Point
out
to
you
in
case
you
didn't
notice
the
on
page
17,
that
the
improvements
to
the
publicly
accessible
walkway
and
the
overlooking
Bridge
aren't
fully
designed
yet
there's
still
issues
that
need
to
be
determined,
such
as
I've
listed
them,
geotechnical
conditions,
the
exact
placement
and
design
and
fencing
signage
and
other
structures,
ADH
compliance
materials
and
finishes
minimizing
visual
impact.
But
these
are
the
these
are
the
it
hasn't
yet
been
designed.
But
these
are
these.
A
This
is
the
guidance
for
Designing
those
improvements
which
we
will
be
working
with
engineering
to
to
make
sure
that
this
is
satisfied,
and
so
the
timeline
that
I
we
were
proposing
was
as
long
as
we
know
that
this
is
how
it
has
to
be
designed.
I
feel
comfortable
working
this
forward
without
applying
on
cosign,
but
before
printing
there
they
have
to
do
the
geotechnical
evaluation
and
Analysis
of
a
feasible
layout
and
support.
A
So,
for
instance,
the
island
is,
maybe
you
know,
maybe
the
fence,
the
fencing
or
the
the
Overlook
need
a
different
kind
of
foundation
because
of
the
geotechnical
or
want
something
that
will
be
long
lasting
and
we
don't.
We
want
to
place
it
with
consideration
for
erodability
of
the
island
as
well
as
the
foundation,
so
that
has
to
be
done
before
preliminary
and
before
issue
into
the
building
permit.
A
It
would
have
to
be
completely
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
it's
not
completely
designed
that
the
images
that
we
have
are
maybe
not
what
will
be
designed,
but
these
are
the.
These
are
the
factors
that
will
be
taken
into
consideration
in
making
the
class,
and,
of
course,
it
will
come
back
to
you
during
cycling
for
the
planets.
C
So
I
do
want
to
open
the
floor
to
anyone
to
raise
any
issue
and
connection
to
with
Seeker
in
the
part
three
and
if
I
don't
get
such
input
in
the
next
minute
or
so
I'm.
Going
to
look
for
a
motion
for
an
addict.
B
C
C
D
C
D
J
C
C
Thank
you.
That's
it
for
today,
I'm
sure
we
will
see
you
the
month
and
that
brings
us
to
the
citizen
at
602,
West,
Buffalo
Street.
Yes,.
J
Thank
you
Eric,
so
for
the
citizen
we
will
have
the
whole
team,
so
Steve
Google,
and
we
also
have
a
foundation
consultant.
N
Okay,
is
everyone
seeing
my
screen
sure,
okay,
so
you're,
seeing
an
agenda
slide?
Oh
okay,
excellent,
okay
and
I
saw
on
the
agenda.
We
have
about
five
minutes,
so
I'll
I'll
try
to
move
quickly,
but
some
of
the
items
that
we
wanted
to
discuss
with
you
today
we
had
a
great
meeting
with
all
of
you.
Last
month
there
was
a
request
for
some
further
context:
renderings,
which
I'll
I'm
about
to
show
you.
N
N
I
did
want
to
mention.
Is
we
had
been
working
with
Tom
Parsons
previously
on
the
north
end
of
the
building
and
a
agreement
about
a
desired
easement
to
allow
aerial
access
on
both
the
North
and
South
ends
of
the
building?
And
we
were
trying
to
have
a
meeting
with
Jill
as
a
sort
of
transitioning
meeting,
and
we
did
today
I
understand
from
Nikki
that
she
couldn't
distribute
it
to
everyone
today.
But
we
had
a
very
positive
meeting.
N
The
city
has
agreed
that
as
long
as
the
City
attorney
can
agree
to
the
terms
of
of
the
easement,
the
the
owner,
TCA
is,
you
know,
is
generally
in
agreement,
so
we're
just
dotting
the
eyes
crossing
the
t's
with
the
legal
agreement.
N
So
this
was
the
the
rendering
that
we
shared
with
you
last
time.
I
think
it
got
generally
some
positive
responses,
I'm
sure
I'm
I'm,
not
remembering
everything,
but
there
was
some
commentary
about
the
the
column
wraps
at
the
base
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
as
well
as
other
aspects
of
the
site
around
around
the
building.
N
We
go
yay,
sorry
about
that
everyone,
so
this
is
the
first
context
rendering
and
a
new
rendering
that
you
hadn't
seen
before
looking
East
on
Buffalo
Street,
so
the
the
gas
station
I
was
at
the
express
Mart
is,
is
to
the
right
we're
looking
East
we're
seeing
a
car
pulling
out
of
the
under
building
parking
area
and
I
think
there
was
some
requests
for
specifically
looking
at
that
view
in
context
of
some
of
the
smaller
houses
that
are
on
that
end
of
the
block
from
a
design
perspective.
N
You
know
we
presented
this
a
PRC
I
think
also
it
seemed
like
we
got
some
pretty
positive
feedback.
Our
you
know,
discussion
about
the
design
is
that
you
know,
while
this
is
a
five-story
building
there,
the
intention
of
of
this
design
was
really
breaking
down.
The
mass,
the
strong
horizontal
delineation
of
the
floor
levels
and
the
small
punched
openings
We
Believe,
creates
a
scale
that
is
contextual
and
and
not
unexpected
in
the
neighborhood
on
the
North
End
of
the
site.
N
So
this
is
just
am
I,
saying
that
correctly,
yes,
north
of
our
site,
a
project
that
has
been
referred
to
in
some
of
the
other
planning
board
meetings.
We
just
wanted
to
show
from
a
from
a
context
standpoint
that
they're.
You
know
this
is
not
an
uncommon
situation.
It
seems
like
this.
Neighborhood
was
rezoned
some
years
ago
for
taller
buildings
and-
and
you
know
there
seems
to
be
a
transition-
that's
sort
of
happening
on
the
west
end
in
that
area.
N
You
also
had
asked
about
a
view
on
Meadow
Street,
so
this
is
Meadow
Street
looking
Southwest
and
the
fire
truck
easement
that
we've
been
discussing
is
here
like
sort
of
looking
into
the
sea.
The
TCA
parking
lot.
So
we're
designing
that
in
a
way
that
fire
trucks
could
pull
in
and
pull
up
alongside
the
entire
North
End
of
the
building
and
have
a
ladder
truck
aerial
access,
you
can
see
that
the
building
is
open
on
the
ground
floor.
The
fire
department
was
very
happy
about
that.
N
J
And
we'll
have
special
signage
in
that
area,
saying
that
it's
a
fire
lane
and
our
team,
our
property
management
team
will
also
be
Towing.
Any
cars
that
park
there
in
a
properly
and
I
I.
Don't
know
if
we
show
that
in
the
image,
but
we
have
the
ballards
that
would
not
allow
people
to
come
in
and
out
from
our
parking
garage
to
their
property,
avoiding
a
circulation
from
metal
to
Buffalo.
N
Thank
you
thanks,
Laura
I
think
we
have.
We
have
looked
at
the
elevations
previously,
but
I'll
I'll
go
over
them
really
quickly.
We
we've
talked
about
a
textured
fiber
cement
product,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
second
on
sort
of
the.
What
we're
calling
the
headpiece
that
shows
up
in
the
in
the
rendering
that
has
evolved
over
time,
we've
added
the
the
vertical
sunshade
blades
for
an
accent
and
to
add
more
three-dimensionality.
N
We
have
I'm
going
to
actually
click
forward
for
a
second
as
a
as
a
result
of
some
of
your
comments,
we've
added
this
sort
of
vertical
slot
on
both
the
Meadow
Street
and
Buffalo
Street
sides
of
the
facade
both
to
sort
of
break
down
the
mass
and
add
visual
interest
in
the
in
the
rendering.
That
also
shows
up
as
a
one
of
those
sun
shade
blades
that
that
is
the
entire.
N
You
know
four
stories
of
the
building
the
so
this
the
headpiece,
the
gray
material,
is
a
the
design
model,
for
that
is
an
Aspire
series
by
Hardy,
you're,
probably
all
familiar
with
Hardy
panel
and
Hardy
siding
and
we're
proposing
a
another,
more
standard,
Hardy
panel.
For
this
beige
area,
which
is
sort
of
the
body
of
the
building
which
wraps
behind
the
other
building
structures
and
in
a
second
I'll,
show
you
actual
material
photos
of
of
those
materials.
N
Sort
of
a
material
sample
board
we,
we
also
talked
about
the
the
mural,
which
is
I'm
going
to
be
located
right
down
next
to
the
building
entrance
off
of
Buffalo,
where
there's
also
some
amenity
spaces
and
some
retail
on
Meadow.
And,
as
you
might
recall,
we
got
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
you
all
after
we
created
a
larger
carve
out
at
the
corner
of
Buffalo
and
Meadow,
where
pedestrians
can
walk
sort
of
freely
under
underneath
the
building
foreign.
N
Blades
are,
are
you
know,
we
are
looking
at
a
design
model
which
is
which
is
similar
similar
to
this
product
and,
of
course,
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
of
further
design
and
of
course
we
have
to
go
through
a
bidding
process,
but
it
would
be
something
similar
to
that.
One
of
the
comments
was
we
that
we
there
was
some
negative
reaction.
N
I
think
it
was
partially
to
the
rendering
of
the
masonry
that
wraps
the
columns
on
the
ground
floor
and
we
are
proposing
a
metal
column
wrap,
especially
on
Buffalo
and
Meadow,
where
those
columns
meet
the
street
and
we
may
we
may
end
up
doing
more
standard
masonry
underneath
the
parking
garage,
but
anything
that's
at
that
public
face.
We
are
looking
at
this
some
kind
of
metal
wrap
instead
of
the
the
masonry
wrap.
N
That
the
rest
of
the
block
or
the
the
material
at
the
ground
floor,
so
in
the
in
the
rendering
it
was
sort
of
the
North
End
of
the
gray
part
of
the
building
there.
There
is
some
solid
wall
which
we
still
intend
on
using
a
ground-faced
block.
It
isn't
exactly
this
color,
we
are
thinking
some.
This
appears
kind
of
brown
in
this
in
this
rendering,
but
we
are
looking
at
a
ground
face,
not
a
split
face
block
which
is
a
higher
end,
Finish
and
probably
something
that
is
this.
N
You
know
eight
by
eight
staggered
pattern.
Coursing
pattern,
I've
shown
you
this
before
this
is
the
the
Aspire
product,
which
is
a
you
know,
the
slightly
higher
end
of
the
of
the
hearty
material.
That's
what's
creating
the
horizontal
striping
that
would
be
on
the
facade.
N
The
beige
end
of
the
building
would
be
the
the
more
standard
party
panel
we're
looking
at
the
the
statement,
collection-
and
that
comes
in
you
know,
four
by
eight
foot
or
four
by
ten
foot
panels.
This
is
not.
N
We're
that
we're
suggesting-
but
this
is
an
example
of
that
of
that
party-
the
Hardy
panel
product.
N
We
are
looking
at
an
Anderson
window
system
and
we're
sort
of
deciding
between
two
Anderson
series
Windows
as
our
design
model,
the
70
series
or
the
or
the
Anderson
100
series.
N
My
last
three
slides
you
had
asked
for
a
sunshade
study,
I
think
that's
been
distributed.
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
that,
unless
you
would
like
me
to
I
think
that
the
big
takeaways
are
I.
N
Think
that
you
know
the
buildings
that
could
be
most
impacted
are
the
are
the
buildings
on
the
west
I
think
the
the
good
news
about
the
orientation
of
our
building
and
those
buildings
is
that
the
south
is
down
on
this
slide,
which
means
that,
while
you
know
at
times
our
five-story
building
is
is
casting
a
shadow
it
that
this
building
is
getting.
You
know
Southern
Exposure,
all
day
long,
so
it's
getting
varying
degrees.
N
So
this
is
the
summer
solstice
and
we
basically
did
the
summer
solstice
The
Equinox
and
in
Winter,
and
we
did
9
A.M
noon
and
4
P.M
for
those
times
a
year.
So
this
would
be.
We
didn't
do
both
equinoxes,
because
they'd
be
they'd,
be
similar,
nine
noon
and
four
and
of
course
winter.
We
get
much
deeper
shadows
in
the
morning
in
the
late
afternoon,.
Q
Sure,
thanks
Steve,
real
quick,
some
of
the
quick
updates
on
the
site
plan
side
were
to
add
a
couple
bike
racks
one
one
of
which
was
added
inside
the
parking
garage
itself.
Q
We
moved
the
one
out
on
the
Meadow
Street
side
out
of
the
right-of-way,
based
on
some
feedback.
We
got
from
Dot.
Q
It's
a
bigger,
bigger
item
on
the
site
side
is
the
dot
coordination.
There's
been
a
lot
of
communication
back
and
forth
with
our
office
and
Dot
dot
gave
us
some
initial
technical
comments
back
a
week
or
two
ago,
and
we
point,
you
know,
put
back
a
pointed
question
to
them,
asking
if
they
had
any
issues
with
the
Buffalo
Street
access
Drive
over
the
last
week.
Q
I
understand
that
they've
been
in
discussions
with
Tim
Logue,
the
city,
the
City's
engineer,
and
it
from
what
I've
been
told
based
on
Communications,
with
Dot
and
Mr
Logue
himself.
I
believe
we're
at
the
point
where
we
can
resolve
any
of
the
access
is
used
on
Buffalo
Street,
with
the
access
drive
with
geometry
train
changes
to
that
driveway.
We
are
still
maintaining
the
right
out
limiting
movement
for
exiting
traffic.
Q
It
will
be
a
full
entrance,
a
full
access
entering
so
left
in
and
right
in,
but
again
we
still
maintain
that
that
write
out
only
restricted
movement
and
as
Steve
and
Laura
mentioned
before
earlier
earlier.
In
our
presentation,
there
is
no
through
traffic
from
the
North
End
of
the
garage
out
to
the
TCA
parking
and
on
onto
Meadow
Street.
There
I'm
happy
to
go
into
more
detail
on
dot,
but
I
think
we're
at
The
Point
again
we're
able
to
resolve
this
with
some
geometry
changes
to
the
driveway.
J
Q
C
D
Mitch
I
think
the
ground
floor
of
the
project.
The
corner
of
Buffalo
Meadow
is
going
to
be
fantastic,
and
it's
just
a
great
addition
to
the
city
in
that
road,
which
is
evolving
and
in
ways
that
I
think
are
making
it
better
for
pedestrians
and
people
I
think
this
Project's
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
support
that
which
is
really
exciting
but
I.
You
know
Steve
for
some
reason,
I'm
still
kind
of
lukewarm
about
the
box,
that's
above
it
and
I.
D
Don't
really
I
can't
put
my
finger
on
it,
but
it
just
if
I
look
at
this
project
without
the
sun
fins
or
whatever
you're
calling
them
it
just.
It
feels
a
little
bit
kind
of
watered
down
to
me.
It
feels
like
a
box
and
I,
and
you
know
comparing
it
to
other
projects
that
have
a
bit
of
depth
like
the
last
project
we
looked
at.
The
citizen
has
those
deep
balconies.
This
one
is
just
it's
pretty
flat
different
thought.
The
facade
there's
no
really
interesting
roof
line.
D
There's
no
balconies
to
speak
of
and
I'm
just
worried
that
it's
going
to
be
a
bit
overwhelming
as
a
box,
but
again
I'm
super
excited
about
the
ground.
Point
you've
done
a
great
job
on
that
and
I.
Don't
know
what
other
kind
of
direction
to
give
you
on
the
rest
of
the
building,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
what
other
people
think.
A
Yeah,
thanks
for
the
updates,
you
have
a
little
bit
of
concern,
also
about
and
I
think
Elizabeth
might
have
mentioned
this
last
meeting.
A
I
love
him
Living
Color,
but
about
the
durability
of
those
columns
that
are
on
Buffalo
Street.
You
know
just
foreseeing
all
the
salts,
and
you
know
winter
maintenance
yeah
there
we
go
just
thinking
about
what
that's
going
to
look
like
in
you
know,
15
20
years,
just
being
mindful
of
you
know,
whatever
the
cladding
is
going
to
be
for
those
and
I'm
also
interested
to
hear
how
discussions
continue
with
City
engineering
and
Dot
thanks.
Thank.
B
I
think
that
six
610
is
going
to
cast
a
shadow
on
your
building
thief
in
the
evening.
Thank
you
for
those
studies.
I
think
they
are
really
helpful
and
I
was
worried.
I'm
not
worried
anymore,
so
I.
A
Don't
have
much
else,
I
I,
like
the
Box
I,
don't
know,
I
don't
have
as
much
worry
about
it
as
as
Mitch
does
I
think
he
might
be
right
if
the
sun
shades
are
removed,
but
they're
not
they're
metal,
they're,
not
fabric,
I
trust
that
they're
there
for
the
long
term
and
I
think
they
they
do.
Animate
the
pizzazz.
A
A
A
I
appreciate
your
you
know,
response
to
comments
with
column,
I
think
that's
going
to
look
much
better.
If
you
could
update
your
renderings,
that
would
be
great
and
I'm
thinking
that
planning
is
stainless
steel.
It
should
be
fine
a
little
bit
of
salted
and
all
that
yeah
I
think
that's
going
to
be
an
amazing
little
corner.
There.
C
Thank
you,
Elizabeth,
so
I
think
you've
gotten
some
some
good
feedback
for
my
piece
in
this
rendering
I
think
we
saw
this.
You
know
in
previous
meetings
and
in
those
meetings
someone
said
that
the
sun
shades
were
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
you
and
I
think
they
are
but
I.
C
Think
if
you
look
at
the
other
renderings
that
are
more
of
a
street
level
view
with
the
gray
sky,
I
wonder
if
they're
doing
enough
work,
because
it
is
a
very
great
building,
with
the
exception
of
the
sun
shades
and
it's
a
very
big
building
and
it's
not
an
especially
interesting
building,
shape
wise.
C
As
Mitch
pointed
out,
you
know
from
most
views
you
know
taken
as
a
whole,
there's
a
lot
going
on,
but
from
any
individual
view,
it's
it's
sort
of
massive
and
simple,
with
the
exception
of
these
sun
shades,
and
so
yeah
I
think
that's
worth
thinking
about.
You
know:
I
I'm,
I'm
kind
of
where
Mitch
is
there
and
with
that
I
think
it's
time
to
dive
into
the
part
three
and
because
we
have
a
potential
neck
deck.
A
Thanks
Veronica,
it's
everything
in
yellow,
but
you
can
see
so
impact
on
land
and
I
believe
they
sent
me
these
materials
they
sent
them
to
us
today.
So
I
did
There's.
It's
not
a
time
to
put
this
in
for
for
today,
but
things
like
how
many
cubic
yards
of
material
to
be
removed
and
how
many
truckloads,
which
definitely
would
have
an
impact
on
the
land
so
just
to
know
that
and
also
been
with
construction,
Logistics
Foundation
information
I
think
they
do
have
some
of
that,
but
just
not
received
it.
C
A
A
J
N
Rob
could
I
Rob
could
I
just
mention
one
other
thing
too.
We
you
know
maybe
I,
think
and
and
Nikki
might
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
the
you
know,
with
the
exception
that
we
made
it
a
partially
responded
on
the
cubic
yards
of
of
stuff
of
removal.
That
would
be
the
one
thing
that
there's
I
think
totally
new
information
but
I
think
the
rest
of
the
items
we
sent.
You
were
updates
on
things
that
we
believe
we
did.
A
A
Want
to
know
what
what
still
concerned
about
the
proximity
to
two
buildings
that
are
you
know,
are
housing
for
sensitive
populations
along
Meadow,
Street
and
and
that
all
the
issues
around
that
I
haven't
heard
about
any
conversations
you've
had
with
the
with
TC
action
about
impacts
and
how
it
might
affect
their
residents
and
what
you're
doing
to
mitigate
that.
I
I
see
a
general
statement
about
the
the
foundation
construction,
but
I
I,
don't
know
what
actual
documentation
we've
had
about
that.
A
So
that
is-
and
you
know,
the
shadow
study
was
great
actually
because
we
actually
saw
the
buildings
for
the
first
time.
They
should
actually
be
in
every
site
plan
the
footprints
of
the
buildings,
the
adjacent
buildings.
They
should
be
in
every
site
plan
so
that
we
so
that
we
see
really
how
how
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
proximity
and
potential
impact,
so
I
actually
found
that
very
interesting
part
of
the
show
so
just
feel
like
it
here
to
not
those
questions
haven't
been
truly
answered
for
me.
C
So
I
am
left
not
totally
knowing
how
to
move
forward.
I'm
sorry,
you
know
we
haven't.
We
have
a
part
three
that
has,
you
know,
highlighted
material
that
we
can
work
through
and
try
to
fill
in
bit
by
bit,
but
I'm
also
hearing
that
we're
don't
have
total
Clarity
on
some
of
this
stuff.
That
is
marked
as
outstanding.
C
C
Is
there
any
member
of
the
board
that
feels
like
they
are
super
ready
to
move
forward?
With
this
part,
three
slash
I.
D
A
I
think,
ultimately,
we
would
come
to
the
conclusion
that
it's
in
that
day,
even.
E
E
A
So
maybe
you
can
think
in
those
terms
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
this
building
is
really
significantly
going
to
impact
anything
and
that
the
additional
information
can
be
added.
C
Yeah,
so
I
I
am
inclined
to
agree
that
we
are
looking
at
an
eventual
name.
Deck
I
mean
I
I.
Think
that
that's
I
think
the
board
probably
has
consensus
there
and
I
also
I
feel
like
I'm
hearing
pretty
clearly
from
staff
that
this
is
not
fully
baked
yet
and
so
I
I'm
having
difficult
are
you
an
applicant
I'm,
sorry
I.
M
Was
just
going
to
ask
if
I
get
interesting
board
for
a
second
I
understand?
My
name
is
Nate
cook
I'm,
the
general
counsel
for
that
gotcha,
and
there
were
questions
that
were
raised
around
the
easement
and
the
fire
department
and
Conference
Community,
Action
and
I
was
hoping
to
address
those.
If
there's
questions
that
the
board
has
that
we
could
talk.
C
M
M
We
have
a
final
survey
that
was
done
by
TG
Miller,
and
everyone
has,
in
principle,
signed
off
on
everything
that
has
also
been
shared
with
Victor
Kessler
in
the
city,
City
Law
Department,
for
him
to
bless
from
from
an
easement
standpoint
and
the
whole
reason
we
were
delayed
on
getting
materials
to
the
board
was
because
we
had
to
wait
for
for
Jill
to
come
back
into
town.
M
So
we
could
talk
through
the
whole
transition
for
how
we're
doing
things
and
how
Carson
did
it
before
and
where
we
are
today,
and
so
you
know
she
sent
an
email
saying
yes,
I
agree
in
principle:
you've
addressed
all
of
my
concerns.
You
know
I.
We
want
the
city
Law
Department,
to
review
the
easement
and
sign
off
on
that,
and
so
from
from
our
standpoint
from
from
Vision
standpoint,
we
feel
like
we've
addressed
all
the
issues.
M
I
understand
that
there's
a
need
for
attorneys
to
review
final
things-
and
you
know,
checking
the
box
but
from
us
from
a
question
of
like
you
know,
is,
does
TCA
have
a
concern.
The
answer
is
no
and
and
we're
happy
to
sort
of
share
that
that
information
I'm.
Sorry,
we
couldn't
do
it
earlier.
We
tried
like
hell,
but
the
reality
is
that
you
know
with
the
fire
department
as
an
example,
only
certain
people
can
make
certain
decisions
and
we
were
certainly
constrained
on
the
ability
to
get
before
them
and
get
those
materials
into
you.
M
So
we
shared
them
today,
but
I
realized.
It
wasn't
in
time
to
make
it
into
the
packet
and
I'm.
Sorry
that
you
know
in
the
future,
if
you'd
like
us
to
print
them
out
and
hand
them
out
to
you
or
whatever
we
can
do
that,
but
there's
there's
limitations
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
sure.
So
you
know
I
appreciate
very
much
your
position
that
you
know
we're
basically
going
to
be
in
at
a
negative
decorations.
M
That
determination
would
very
very
significantly
help
us
from
a
financing
standpoint
so
that
the
sooner
we
can
get
that
the
better
and
if
they're
the
problem
or
a
need
to
you
know
clarify
something
I'm
happy
to
do
so.
Victor
Kessler,
when
I
talked
to
him
earlier
today
and
said
well,
you
know:
ask
the
board
for
a
you
know,
sort
of
a
conditional
that
we're
moving
forward.
But,
yes,
you
know
the
acidity
is
a
city
law
is
going
to
sign
off
on
sort
of
documents
that
were
prepared
in
our
sort
of
subject
to
review.
M
C
That
does
I'm
going
to
check
in
with
staff,
to
sort
of
see
where
that
leaves
us
I.
A
We
all
have
a
defensible,
Seeker
and
part
of
a
defensible
Seeker
is
that
the
board
is
supposed
to
have
actually
seen
the
information
that
was
submitted,
I
mean
so
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
I
want
this
project
to
move
forward
and
I
want
a
defensible
seeker
and
I'm
sure
you
want
that
too.
So
any
hesitancy
you're
getting
is
not
because
it's
simply
because
you
know
you,
the
board
has
not
seen
the
information
that
they
have
submitted
yet
so
that
we
can
go
through
it.
Now
we
could
go
through
it,
we
can
go
through
it.
A
We
can
pull
it
up
and
and
review,
and
so
the
board
can
say
they
have
seen.
C
D
C
J
We
have
140
truckloads,
2240
cubic
yards
of
materials
to
be
removed.
J
Sure
we
also
have
a
consultant
here
with
us.
We
are
proposing
to
use
hydraulic
impact
hammer,
even
though
it
is
still
a
driving
pile
method.
It
can
be
adjusted
for
the
decibels.
It's
like,
basically
comparable
to
Regular
construction.
J
If
you
want
to
can
let
the
the
consultant
go
over
with
the
method
because
he
can
speak
better
than
I.
Can
we're.
J
A
A
Street
West
State
Street,
for
example,
when
there
was
a
project
that
was
very
close.
This
was
what
we
finally
came
to
was
controlled
modulus
columns
which
didn't
involve
driving.
So
is
there
somebody
who
can
talk
about
the
difference
in
vibration
and
impact,
and
we
also
need
to
know
about
the
monitoring
plan
before,
during
and
after
foundations,
yeah.
R
If
you
don't
mind,
I
can
talk
about
that.
I'm
Doug,
Namek,
I'm,
the
owner
of
Ferraro
pilot
sure,
and
we
do
all
those
deep
Foundation
Technologies
in
this
case.
The
soil
conditions
at
this
site
are
very
soft,
very
similar
to
everything
around
Ithaca.
The
the
top
overburdened
area
is
a
soft
compressible
peat
and
in
this
soil
condition
it
is
ideal
for
a
driven
pile
as
the
most
cost
effective
approach
to
to
provide
a
solution
for
it
and
the
fastest
solution
for
the
project.
R
So
when
you
look
at
production
rates,
controlled,
modulus,
column,
you're,
probably
looking
at
installing
five
or
six
columns
in
an
afternoon
so
12
a
day
in
a
driven
pile
for
this
type
of
situation,
you're
looking
at
probably
30
to
35
piles
a
day
so
you're
looking
at
that,
bearing
capacity
being
at
or
if
I'm,
remembering
the
soil
conditions,
exactly
I
think
we're
about
65
feet
below
grade
in
this
situation
to
fun
to
get
a
founding
elevation.
R
A
hydraulic
Hammer
is
the
it
has
the
ability
to
infinitely
adjust
the
stroke
of
the
hammer
which
is
decreasing.
The
energy
that's
required
to
push
it
in
to
the
ground.
So
when
you
look
at
a
typical
impact
hammer,
it
has
an
eight
foot
stroke
you,
you
have
an
explosion
that
fires,
the
Piston
up
and
the
Piston
comes
back
down
and
it
strikes
the
pile
that
is
called
a
diesel
impact
hammer
and
it's
the
noisiest
of
all
hammers.
The
hydraulic
impact
camera
has
a
stroke
rating
between.
R
In
this
case
scenario,
we
would
probably
be
running
at
a
one
foot
stroke
and
be
dropping
it
through
what
is
described
in
this
soils.
Investigation
is
weight
of
hammer
material,
so
that
means
it
won't
support.
150
pounds,
the
just
the
weight
of
a
hammer
sitting
on
the
ground
will
will
plunge
into
the
ground
so
with
the
ability
to
monitor
the
vibration,
which
would
be
a
post.
R
A
pre-construction
survey
and
a
post-construction
survey
done
on
the
surrounding
buildings
and
a
notice
would
go
out
to
the
residents
and
saying
okay,
you
know
we
we
plan
on
doing
a
project
here
we're
going
to
have
a
a
independent
construction
vibration
monitoring
company,
set
up
instruments
and
provide
all
of
the
survey
of
the
existing
buildings
to
show
cracks
if
there's
existing
cracks
in
the
building.
R
It's
typical
in
this
situation
like
this
to
put
vibration
monitoring
devices
that
measure
Peak
particle
velocity
that
Peak
particle
velocity
is
measured
at
the
perimeter
or
at
facilities
that
may
be
subject
to
vibration,
concerns
they're
a
trichome
system
very
much
almost
identical
to
anything
that
you
see
when
somebody
tells
you.
We've
had
an
earthquake
right
now,
when
the
typical
standard
for
allowable
Peak
particle
velocity
going
to
a
building
a
neighboring
building
is
typically
restricted
to
one
inch
per
second
Peak
particle
velocity.
R
We
would
expect
that,
with
the
driving
method
that
we're
discussing
that,
we
would
be
well
below
a
quarter
of
an
inch
Peak
particle
velocity
per
second,
which
would
be
less
than
the
truck
traffic
going
down.
The
road.
R
No
because
there's
a
soil
condition,
there
is
very
soft
if
you,
if,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
geotechnical
area,
there,
typically
I,
would
expect
the
hammer
when
we
set
the
hammer
on
top
of
the
pile
that
the
pile
would
push
in
20
feet.
A
R
I,
don't
have
the
specific
number
of
pile
count
on
this
project,
but
I
would
imagine
just
looking
at
the
at
the
scale
of
the
building.
It
would
probably
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
about
three
to
four
weeks
all
right.
R
So
noise
is
again,
you
have
a
decibel
readings.
A
backup
alarm
on
on
the
on
trucks
would
make
the
same
decibel
readings
as
they
noise
of
this
impact
hammer
and
again
that's
you're
able
to
reduce
that
noise
by
reducing
the
stroke
if
the
noise
becomes
a
condition
where
it
needs
to
be
when
you're
right
up
next
to
an
existing
building
or
something
like
that
and
no
again
I'm
very
familiar
with
working
in
the
Ithaca
area.
R
E
A
Because
I'd
just
like
to
understand
the
comments
about
the
considering
the
use
of
the
CMC
I,
guess
I'd
like
to
know,
maybe
just
in
just
a
little
bit
about
advantage
and
disadvantages
to
either
approach
I
mean
maybe
you've
gone
over
it
for
helping,
but
that
would
be
helpful
to
understand
of
so
when
this
comes
pre-filled
to
us.
I
have
to
assume
that
this
is
a
recommendation
from
you
know:
City
engineering,
with
the
what
they
would
like
to
see
for
the
project.
A
D
E
C
A
The
State
student
project
that
had
a
lot
it
was
being
built
with
a
lot
of
the
existing
buildings
surrounding
it
already
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
understand.
It
seems
like
a
a
significant
decision
of
how
to
advance
the
project
relative
to
a
number
of
impacts,
so
yeah
anything
you
can
do
to
help
us.
You
know
understand
that
is
great.
R
D
R
You,
okay,
so
yeah,
so
a
controlled
modulus
column
is,
is
a
foundation
type,
it's
not
it's.
It
can
be
used
here.
It
would
be,
it
would
be
more
cost
disadvantage
than
the
driven
pile
it
would
take
longer.
The
process
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
the
way
those
are
installed.
R
So
what
happens
is
that
you
basically
bring
out
a
big
drill,
rig
yeah
that
is
running
at
a
continuous
RPM
and
you
rotate
and
a
displacement.
Auger
I'll
call
it
into
the
ground
and
you
pump
Concrete
in
so
you
have
concrete
pumps,
auguring
and
all
that
going
on
at
a
continuous
basis
and
as
that
material
gets
pumped
into
the
ground,
you're
going
to
have
spoils.
So
your
spoiled
generation,
your
Trucking
in
and
out
of
the
site,
is
continuous
every
day,
so
you're
replacing
noise
with
noise
and
adding
trucks.
C
Thank
you,
I
want
to
check
in
with
staff
specifically
on
the
impact
on
land
and
what
we
need
to
make
sure
we
have
seen
or
talked
about
before.
Moving
on
to
the
next
sections.
A
So
my
question
would
be:
do
they?
Does
the
Ford
have
any
questions
about
what
doug
presented
here
and
about
the
you
know,
impact
relative
to
other
types
of
biology,
I,
think
or
what
the
or
noise
levels
or
impact
to
surrounding
field
that
they
have
enough
information
about
this
type
of
foundation,
to
make
a
determination
that
it
is
the
most
beneficial
for
this
project,
including
lessening
the
impacts
to
the
surrounding
uses.
B
I
do
I.
Thank
you
for
the
explanation.
A
C
Yeah,
so
we
have
the
logic:
I
don't
know
that
we
have
the
standard
on
the
lights.
You
mentioned
the
truck
backing
up,
but
it's
not
as
if
that's
what
the
part
three
says
or
if
that's
not
as
if
that's
a
standard
that
we
can
refer
to
in
some
clear
way,.
A
C
A
I
remember
when
they
were
building
the
top
Insurance
building
Jason
said
historic:
I
remember:
we
saw
Matt
with
all
the
locations
of
where
they
were
going
to
take
vibration,
measurements
from
and
I
think.
What
would
be
helpful
to
understand
is
like
in
a
nutshell,
it
seems
like
CMC,
creates
more
truck
trips
or
like
a
large
volume
vehicle
impacts,
but
the
hydraulic
impact
hammer
would
be
Flickr,
I
think
maybe
I'm
just
maybe
I
just
don't
I'm,
not
an
engineer.
I,
don't
understand,
I!
Think.
C
Anyway,
that
is
all
helpful.
I
want
to
take
a
step
back,
I
think
because
we
have
five
areas
in
this
part.
Three
that
in
theory
are
missing
information,
we're
trying
to
do
it
live
and
we
have
I
think
maybe
gotten,
hopefully,
two-thirds
through
one
of
them
and
I'm
not
sure
this
is
reasonable
and
I
want
to
check
in
with
other
board
members.
C
I
I
think
you're
just
not
ready.
You
know
and
maybe
you're
ready
on
paper
that
we
haven't
seen
but
you're
not
ready
in
the
room
right
now
and
we're
gonna
have
to
do
it
next
month
and
I
I'm
I'm.
Sorry
for
the
outcome.
For
that.
C
Have
a
series
of
areas
highlighted
for
us
that
we
need
additional
information
and
for
us
to
be
able
to
make
a
determination,
we
actually
have
to
see
that
information
and
review
it
and
of
those
five-ish
areas
we
managed
to
talk
through.
One
of
them
were
something
less
than
total
Clarity
with,
for
example,
in
other
product
project.
We
talked
about
a
map
of
vibration.
C
Of
course
we
don't
have
that
map
for
this
project,
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
we're
quite
ready
and
maybe
we'll
go
through
the
other
four
areas
and
find
that
all
that's
more
ready
and
then
we
come
back
to
this
and
we
get
comfortable
and
it's
fine,
but
so
far
of
the
30
minutes.
No
sorry,
20
minutes
we've
had
allocated
this
project.
We've
spent.
M
C
So
I've
got
impact
on
land.
That's
focused
on
the
foundation.
I've
got
an
impact
on
Transportation
focus
on
vehicular
traffic
and
Dot
approval
on
es.
It
looks
like
construction
impacts,
traffic
flow,
sidewalk
closures,
road
closures
and
then
I've
got
noise
over
and
light
construction.
Noise,
adjacent
property
impacts
on
construction,
noise,
I
think
Community
plans,
fire
access,
Fireland
codes
now
I
am
willing
to
believe
somewhere
on
paper.
C
There's
the
right
answer
to
all
those
things:
yeah
that
is
not
like
unimaginable,
but
in
terms
of
us
being
able
to
have
time
to
review
it
and
think
about
it
and
get
comfortable
with
it
prior
to
taking
a
vote
to
approve
that.
There's
no
impact
like.
B
M
C
I
could
totally
believe
that
there's
right
answers
on
paper
like
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
even
disputing
that.
It's
just
that
we're
not
we
haven't
I,
have
not
reviewed
that
and-
and
don't
have
a
comfort
pushing
this
through
in
this
way,
because
at
this
point
that's
what
it
is
like
I'm
pushing
the
board
through
a
document.
That's
not
ready
before
the
meeting
to
act
as
if
it's
ready
and
I
there's
a
limit
to
how
hard
I'm
willing
to
push
that
and
and
well
I.
Very
much
appreciate
your
input
on
this
and
I
I.
M
M
Think
we've
raised
and
very
much
tried
to
address
every
concern,
and
so
I
I
believe
that
and
putting
it
off
for
a
month
is
going
to
be
like
very
Troublesome
for
the
project
and
and
that's
why
the
starting
point,
because
what
I
heard
over
here
was
like,
we
know
it's
all
going
to
get
to
a
negative
declaration.
We
just
need
to
kind
of
work
through
this
thing,
yeah
that
where
I
was
hoping
to
start
yeah,
finish
and
I
think
we're
still
there
but
the
month
to
like
wait
for
the
new
meeting.
C
J
Was
required?
We
heard
first
time
about
the
foundation
definition
being
a
request
by
Lisa
in
the
last
planet,
PRC
meeting
that
wasn't
requested
before
it
was
like
how
long
ago
Laura
he
was
on
the
ninth,
and
we
did
it.
C
I
I
am
I,
am
sympathetic
to
this,
but
that
is
how
real
estate
approvals
work.
Yes,
and
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
am
sorry
that
we're
not
ready
to
do
it
tonight,
but
we're
not
ready
and
it's
not
it's
not
a
negotiation
right.
We
can't
do
it
and
so
we'll
see
you
next
month
and
I
think
you'll
get
a
neck
deck
then
and
I
hope
you
get
a
name
deck
that,
but
you
know
the
the
eyes
aren't
dotted.
C
And
with
that
I'm
gonna
thank
the
applicant
and
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
project,
which
is
The
Squeaky
Clean
Car
Wash,
the
501
507
South
Middle
Street
thanks
everyone.
Thank
you.
C
All
right
are
we
waiting
on
anyone
else.
H
I
believe
John
Snyder
is
also
going
to
join.
He
was
here,
but.
A
H
Good
well,
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight
the
the
package
that
we
had
provided
to
both
PRC
and
to
the
planning
board
this
evening.
It's
really
a
compilation
of
all
the
drawings
that
led
up
to
the
review
and
determination
for
the
Seeker
back
in
November
I'll
share
the
screen
here
and
quickly
get
through
some
of
that
material.
So.
H
This
is
our
rendered
site
plan
Landscaping.
This
reflects
what
we
came
to
understand
of
all
the
interests
and
requirements
throughout
the
meetings
that
we've
had
with
you,
the
elevations
that
are
part
of
the
packet
I
know.
We've
had
some
back
and
forth
on
color,
but
there
should
be
with
you
tonight,
a
very
small
color
chip
sample
that
could
be
shared
around
with
the
board,
to
show
you,
the
true
blue.
H
So
while
we've
had
challenges
in
in
depicting
with
printer,
colors
and
and
and
graphics
on
these
elevations,
what
you
have
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
what
we're
actually
going
to
propose
foreign.
These
elevations
also
reflect
the
the
signage
that's
being
proposed
on
the
site
and
the
building.
The
signage
is
all
compliant
with
the
sw2
requirements
and
in
terms
of
size
number
and
in
fact
we
have
less
square
footage
in
total
signage
than
what
the
district
allows.
H
Yeah
relative
to
the
signage
we
are
proposing,
per,
what's
allowed,
with
the
zoning
freestanding
pylon
site
and
in
terms
of
its
height
that'd,
be
very
consistent
with
what
is
currently
out
there
at
the
corner
of
South,
Titus
and
South
Meadow.
Obviously,
the
size
of
the
panel
will
be
considerably
less
than
what's
currently
there
but
relative
to
height.
H
What
what
you
see
there
today
is
very
consistent
with
what
Gary
has
proposed
and
would
place
at
that
location
and,
as
you
do,
go
up
and
down
South
Meadow,
you'll
you'll
find
that
it's
very
consistent
with
with
all
the
other
pylon
signs
that
many
of
the
other
commercial
sites,
this
just
depicts
the
locations
of
the
signs
and
their
total
square
footage,
and
you
have
illustrations
of
the
pylon
sign
together
with
this-
is
the
menu
board.
That's
that's
at
the
the
entrance
to
the
car
wash
and
again.
H
These
are
the
building
mounted
signs
on
the
south
end
and
along
the
South
Meadow
facade
I,
also
provided
in
response
to
questions
about
sound
attenuation,
some
calculations
as
to
what
we
would
expect
with
all
of
the
exterior
vacuums
operating
concurrently
Gary,
had
the
benefit
of
being
able
to
actually
monitor
and
record
that
same
condition
at
his
Elmira
Road
site,
where
he
has
the
same
six
vacuums
and
the
calculations
that
I
presented
in
my
brief
narrative,
together
with
the
vendors
decibel
levels
for
this
particular
type
of
vacuum,
show
that
that
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
nearest
receptor
residential
receptor,
which
is
at
514
North
Titus
that
we're
down
below
the
decibel
requirements
in
the
in
the
city's
noise
ordinance.
H
This
is
a
picture
that
was
taken
from
the
site,
looking
north
towards
514,
North
Titus
and,
as
I
had
previously
mentioned
at
the
November
meeting,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
vegetation
that
currently
exists
on
the
banks
of
Six
Mile
Creek.
This
was
taken
obviously
just
a
few
weeks
ago
during
growing
season
that
it's
fully
vegetated
with
leaves
and
things.
So
you
actually
don't
even
see
the
structure
and
the
rest
of
the
submission
is
all
of
the
technical
drawings.
The
civil
and
Landscape
plans.
H
Widening
the
the
sidewalk
is
not
an
issue.
There's
plenty
of
room
there
between
the
curb
and
our
proposed
vegetation
to
accommodate
the
the
six
and
or
seven
foot
wide
sidewalk.
That
was
suggested
by
City
engineering,
and
we
can
certainly
work
with
with
the
Engineering
Group
to
modify
the
radius
here
at
the
intersection
to
shorten
that
that
travel
path
to
the
north
side
of
South
Titus.
H
H
So
that
is
the
the
sum
of
what
we
want
to
share
and
would
like
to
discuss
the
conditions
of
preliminary
and
and
final
and
I
do
see
an
opportunity
if,
if
you
all
agree
that
condition
4
that's
been
drafted
could
be
modified
to
fulfill
that
expectation
to
satisfy
these
curb
and
curb
ramp
modifications
adjacent
to
our
site.
C
All
right,
thank
you
for
that
before
we
dove
into
conditions
and
the
resolution
I'm
just
going
to
go
around
the
room
and
check
in
with
members
of
the
board
on
where
we
feel
we
stand,
then
assuming
everyone
feels
ready.
I'll,
look
for
a
motion
on
the
resolution,
we'll
open
up
discussion
of
the
resolution
and
start
talking
about
conditions.
B
A
I
think
this
package
is
barely
a
complete
interest.
Point
I
don't
have
any
further
questions.
B
Yeah
I
agree.
Thank
you
for
responding.
You
know
in
terms
of
more
landscape,
you
know
screening
of
the
residential
Zone
and
making
the
building
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
A
C
A
D
G
Thank
you,
I'm
good,
to
go
and
very
much
look
forward
to
this
quantity.
C
Thank
you,
Garrick.
With
that
I'll
open
the
floor
for
a
motion
for
the
preliminary
trial
and
final
approval
resolution
for
us.
That's
not
Emily
move
and
Elizabeth
II
before
we
devoting
on
that,
we'll
open
it
up
for
discussion
and
yeah
I
could
mentioned
something
about
condition.
Four.
C
C
A
E
C
K
E
S
S
All
right
all
right,
you
can
see
the
landscape
plan.
S
You
can
yep
okay,
so
mostly
what
we've
been
doing
as
of
late
is
working
on
sunken
patios
up
front
along
College
Ave
working
on
the
back
of
the
building
and
some
changes
there.
S
S
So
not
much
has
changed
with
the
sunken
patios
on
the
front.
I
have
lowered
some
of
the
walls
around
them
and
I'll
show.
You
show
you
that
in
a
little
bit,
I
think
since
PRC
they
actually
went
up
a
foot
I
might
be
able
to
get
them
back
down,
but
that
great
plane
calculation
is
a
little
fussy
and
that's
all
because
made
some
dramatic
changes
on
the
West
Side.
S
So
I'll
show
you
that
as
well.
We
were
also
working
on
exterior
lighting
and
I.
Think
that's
been
the
bulk
of
the
discussion.
S
So,
first
on
the
grade
plane
calculation,
we
have
now
basically
leveled
the
ground
to
the
walkout
basement
level,
except
for
some
raised
sections
between
the
patios,
which
kind
of
read
like
raised
Planters,
and
so
we
really
have
about
a
30
inch
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
we'll
just
call
it
a
planter,
and
then
you
know
30
inch
plus
minus
retaining
wall
now
on
the
West
Side
previously
that
retaining
wall
was
all
the
way
up
to
where
Great
Plain
was
so
in
order
to
improve
the
west
side,
I
did
bring
the
retaining
walls
on
the
East
Side
Up,
just
a
hair.
S
One
thing
I
just
wanted
to
note
is
that
grade
plane
right
now
is
exactly
six
feet
below
the
first
floor.
If
it
goes
above
six
feet,
we
don't
comply
with
zoning,
because
the
basement
becomes
a
story
so
that
that's
just
the
sensitivity
that
we're
we're
struggling
with
we're
comfortably
below
the
height
limit
by
a
foot
now.
But
you
have
two
things
at
work
and
let
me
just
show
you
sections-
and
this
was
in
recent
submission
oops
all
right,
so
this
is
sort
of
a
hybrid
retaining
wall
scheme.
S
It
really
shows
the
northernmost
patio.
I
saw
engineering
had
some
comments
about
that.
They
are
right.
We
will
have
we're
about
two
feet
above
the
sidewalk,
with
the
concrete
retaining
wall.
We
would
extend
the
small
railing
similar
to
what
we're
using
on
the
on
the
actual
patio
walls.
S
The
the
central
patio
which
is
combined
and
is
in
front
of
two
studio
apartments
is
actually
the
purple
line,
so
that
only
has
like
a
four
foot
wall
and
then
a
step,
and
then
it
jumps
up
and
then
it's
pretty
much.
It's
maybe
two
feet
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
grade
in
front,
but
there's
also
a
railing
right
on
that.
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment-
and
then
the
southern
patio
looks
the
same
as
this
primary
section
except
the
the
wall
at
the
sidewalk
is-
is
way
down
here.
S
It's
only
about
a
foot
above
so
no
no
railings
are
needed
there
I'm
going
to
jump
over
to
the
renderings
now
what
I
have
here
is
a
combination
of
some
renderings
from
1122
that
were
presented
at
the
last
board
meeting
and
then
some
new
ones.
So
this
is
from
the
last
meeting.
S
Nothing
really
changes
substantially,
there's
just
very
subtle
movement
of
the
of
the
vegetation
and
and
the
walls,
but
you
wouldn't
really
see
it
in
this.
So
I
didn't
update
that.
That's
obviously
the
front.
S
Here's
the
prior
so
now
we're
getting
into
the
lighting
we've
taken
the
sconces
out
of
the
soffit
and
have
added
additional
pole
lights
short
pole
lights.
I
should
have
shown
you
that
on
the
landscape
plan,
so
we've
added
one
one
near
the
cedar
here
and
then
another
further
down.
We
always
had
one
right
at
the
entryway
and
we
had
one
actually
two
up
here
on
the
north
north
side
that
were
there.
S
So
we
added
two
pole
lights
and
you
know
they're
eight
eight
to
ten
feet
tall,
and
this
is
the
the
impact.
So
here's
where
we
are
now
and
that's
where
we
were
and
again
it's
to
light
up
the
Landscaping,
but
also
provide
more
lighting
on
the
sidewalk
from
the
college
average
construction
plan.
I
only
see
one
street
light
up
here
on
this
bump
out,
so
they're
they're
few
and
far
between.
S
S
It's
this
stretch
of
retaining
wall
just
right
at
the
top,
where
we
would
have
a
railing
that
connects
through
there,
but
we
wouldn't
need
it
anywhere
else.
Front
hasn't
really
changed
in
any
substantial
way.
S
S
So
we've
now
and
I
apologize,
I
didn't
I,
didn't
print
the
exact
same
view,
but
I
wanted
to
show
this
lower
wall
a
little
bit
more.
But
you
can
see
now
you
can
walk
out
of
the
patio
across
the
back
and
then
you
know
up
either
side
of
the
building.
So
it's
really
really
opened
up
and
it's
no
longer
sunken
patios
again.
S
Those
raised
Planters
as
I'm
calling
them
are
purely
there
to
comply
with
with
the
grade
playing
calculation
and
Zoning,
but
there's
no
no
easy
way
out
of
that
and
there's
another
more
straight.
On
view
of
that
and
here's
the
bird's
eye
from
before
from
the
southeast
and
there
it
is,
we
had
a
deep
window
well
on
the
South
Side
here
that
was
for
the
sub-basement
gym
amenity
space,
but
we
don't
need
it
and
that
also
helped
us
with
a
gray
plank
calculation.
S
So
we
got
rid
of
that
and
then
really
this
bird's
eye
of
the
sunken
patios
hasn't
changed
in
any
substantial
way
from
before.
S
This
is
the
patio
before
on
this,
the
South
patio
I
should
say
on
the
east
side
and
there
it
is
now
I
played
around
with
the
color
of
the
concrete,
even
thinking
about
maybe
painting
the
concrete
to
add
a
little
bit
more
color.
But
Chris
and
I
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that,
but
just
trying
to
warm
it
up
a
little
bit.
But
you
can
see
the
wall
actually
is
shorter
from
the
last
time.
S
But
it's
actually
a
little
taller
from
what
I
reported
at
PRC
and
then
moving
on
here
we
haven't
had
a
rendering
of
the
the
central
patio,
which
is
very
it's
a
different
patio
where
the
two
Studios
come
out,
but
as
you
can
see,
it's
just
a
four
foot
wall
and
then
a
step
back
and
then
a
taller
wall
and
obviously
other
things
could
occur
in
that
elevated
planted
area.
You
know
we
could
add
bushes,
but
it's
also
a
space
that
could
become
personalized
by
the
tenants.
S
So
we
haven't
thought
too
much
more
about
that.
I
think
I
think
that
really
covers
the
the
recent
discussions
and
what
you
know
based
on
the
feedback
we've
been
getting
so
leave
it
at
that.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
go
around
the
room,
get
feedback
from
what
we've
heard
today
and
we'll
start
looking
at
the
party
to
read.
Derek.
C
B
A
A
A
A
S
Yeah
there's
an
existing
wall.
There
yeah
okay,.
C
Thank
you
Elizabeth
for
my
piece.
I
think
Emily
has
identified
the
weakest
part
of
the
design,
but
for
me
it's
not
a
deal
breaker.
You
know,
I,
think
for
this
clientele
and
this
location
and
this
use
and
need
it
makes
a
certain
amount
of
sense.
I
were
a
college
student
and
that
were
my
apartment,
I'd
be
fairly
excited
about
my
tiny
Little
slice
of
outdoor
space
and
that's
who
this
is
being
built
for.
C
C
But
you
know
for
me
you
know
thinking
as
a
tenant,
you
know
and
who
I
was
at
that
age.
I
would
be
thrilled
and
I
want
to
be
sensitive
to
that
now.
That
said,
you
know
the
Improvement
in
the
back,
I
I
think
are
really
compelling.
Cj.
A
Did
you
ever
had
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
question,
building
the
code
performance
and
you
know:
can
they?
You
know
some
suggestion
kind
of
interventions
that
perhaps
could
help
you
know
mitigate
that
concern
because
I
feel
like
anytime,
there's
weird
stairs.
It
looks
like
somebody's
gonna
fall
off
or
fall
down.
You
know
let
him
get
to
that.
So
I
mean.
Is
there
I
know
they
help
review
our?
You
know,
plans
I'm
sure
ahead
of
time,
but
you
know
just
wondering
if
there's
some
solution
yeah
anyway.
That's.
C
Interesting
Elizabeth.
A
C
It
no
problem
any
other
questions
or
comments
on
what
we've
seen
today
before
we
get
into
the
part
three
seeing
none.
We
do
have
a
part
three
for
us.
It
looked
pretty
well
based
and
I
read
through
it.
C
There
was
a
highlight
on
the
exterior
lighting
and
as
to
whether
or
not
it
was
dark
sky
from
flying.
Is
that
just
because
we
were
waiting
on
the
new
lighting.
C
C
And
then
the
last
page,
the
lead
agency
does
not
see
any
negative
impact
to
the
general
character
of
the
neighborhood's
planning-wise.
With
the
proposed
density
college
town
is
the
place
for
student
housing.
This
building
answers
this
need
in
compelling
design.
C
That's
highlighted
for
review
I,
don't
see
any
issues
with
it
and
then
there's
a
place
for
us
to
have
determination
on
the
rear
yard
setback
and,
of
course
the
rear
yard
has
changed.
Since
the
last
time
we've
seen
this
I
assume,
we
still
need
the
rigard
setback,
variance
I
assume
that
has
not
changed
great.
C
A
I'm
just
that
I've
just
removed,
you
know
increasing
bed
count.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
where.
C
A
I
located
so
page
e,
a
middle
of
the
rear
yard
setback,
S
I
think
don't.
A
That
the
applicant
can
speak
to
the
design
changes
they
made.
That
I
think
we're
all
seeing
as
an
improvement
in
this
iteration.
C
D
A
D
C
As
very
motion
for
the
secret
negative
declaration,
I
saw
CJ
move
is
very
second
see
Emily.
Second,
before
we
move
towards
a
vote,
we'll
have
discussion
and
I
want
to
check
in
with
staff
on
auditions.
You
know
never
mind,
let's
see,
but
there
are
no
conditions
anything
we
need
to
discuss
we'll
look
at
before
we
move
into
a
vote.
A
No
I
think
just
for
site
plan
review
to
really
look
at
those
engineering
comments
Jason
that
they
sent
along,
and
it
was
also
before
they
looked
at
new
drawings.
So
just.
S
C
A
E
K
S
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
we
doing
bza
recommendation
we're
going
next
month
for
that
I
thought.
C
C
Generally
speaking,
we'll
use
the
language.
Excuse
me
it's
in
the
part
three,
so
the
language
that
we
went
with
with
the
part
three
is
language
that
was
already
there.
We
repeated
it
for
the
other
variants.
It
says
the
lead
agency
does
not
see
any
negative
impacts.
The
general
character
of
the
neighborhood
planning-wise,
with
proposed
density
college
town,
is
a
place
for
student
housing.
This
building
answers
this
need
in
a
compelling
design.
So
that
will
be
what
we
say
to
the
bza.
S
C
C
Well
and
I
think
that's
our
last
real
action
tonight.
I
think
everything
else
is
just
the
lead
agency
or
a
presentation.
So
next
up
is
Alpha.
Phi
Alpha
at
105,
Westbourne
Lane.
A
K
T
The
point
well
hi
I'm
George
Claremont,
with
aepmi
I.
We
did
receive
our
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
the
ilpc
with
conditions.
C
Great,
are
we
waiting
on
anybody
else,
or
is
it
just
you
tonight.
T
I've
got
the
applicants
who,
where
I'm
representing,
is
Tony
Ewing
Ewing,
but
he's
only
online
by
Audio,
because
he's
traveling
and
and
Frank
Santelli
from
TG
Miller
should
be
joining
me.
He's
our
civil
engineer.
C
T
I
E
P
You
Frank
Santelli
with
TG
Miller
engineers
and
surveyors,
and
we
did
the
survey
mapping
and
the
the
Civil
site
civil
portion
of
the
project.
T
Great
okay,
if
I
can
share
my
screen.
T
All
right
these,
these
are
the
documents
we
submitted
on
November
7th
for
review
just
to
back
up
for
a
second
Alpha
Phi
Alpha
is
the
countries
all
this
black
fraternity.
T
And
recently
we
acquired
this
house.
This
is
in
this
historic
District
to
make
our
Alpha
chapter.
We
also
have
a
membership.
That
is
aging,
we
do
hold
events,
and
the
charge
was
to
not
only
create
a
residence
hall
for
14
members,
but
to
also
facilitate
access
for
our
alumni
population,
that's
aging
and-
and
that
was
the
Genesis
of
this
whole
project.
Initially
it
was
mostly
an
interior
project
and
the
idea
is
to
get
our
older
brothers
that
are
that
have
problems
ambulating
into
the
front
door.
T
T
In
order
to
get
ilpc
approval,
we
initially
had
a
number
of
options
that
drastically
change
and
alter
the
historic
fabric
of
of
this
building
so
working
with
them.
Our
solution
was
to
to
address
the
front
door
and
handicap
accessibility
by
adjusting
the
grade.
T
So
this
way
we
weren't
going
to
do
this,
except
for
restoration.
We
would
not
be
transforming
much
of
the
of
of
the
historic
fabric
of
the
building.
T
So
the
thought
is
to
so
adjust
the
grade
so
that
we
accommodate
our
level
change
with
a
handicap
lift
on
the
first
level.
We
have
multiple
levels
as
soon
as
you
walk
into
the
foyer
to
negotiate.
We've
got
a
main
level,
which
is
three
feet
higher
than
your
front
door
entry,
and
we
also
have
a
lower
level.
That's
about
eight
nine
feet
below,
so
we
installed
a
handicap
lift
inside.
T
We
initially
were
thinking
about
doing
something
on
the
exterior,
but
this
helped
reduce
any
kind
of
of
of
changes
to
the
front
entry
we'd
be
raising
the
grade,
replacing
the
existing
asphalt
and
and
we're
proposing
to
have
a
handicap
spot
with
an
extra
one.
Since
we
have
the
space
here
to
get
direct
access
to
our
lift
and
to
the
other
levels,
I
did
see
a
neighbor's
comment.
T
This
is
a
graphic
issue
here
we
do
plan
on
having
grass
pavers
and
this
is
to
hold
events.
We
have
a
low
seat
wall
here
on
the
West
side
of
the
building
so
graphically
it
looks
like
we're
replacing
with
pavers,
but
most
of
all
of
our
site.
Work
is
a
permeable
paper,
except
for
the
new
asphalt
drive
and
the
new
handicap
parking
spot.
T
We're
replacing
a
monument
sign
with
some
low
seat
walls,
so
we're
talking
about
18
inches
above
the
grade.
We
had
some
preliminary
talks
about
screening
this
handicapped
parking
stall.
T
We
did
have
to
adhere
to
ithaca's
energy
code
supplement,
which
required
to
require
us
to
disconnect
the
existing
gas
service.
There's
no
fossil
fuels
as
part
of
of
compliance.
T
We
had
to
replace
our
gas-fired
boiler
our
gas-fired
boilers,
with
with
outdoor
with
airsource
heat
pumps
for
our
domestic
hot
water
for
our
Heat.
T
So
that
requires
a
pad
for
about
six
six
condensers
right
now
and
at
this
point
in
time,
where
we're
working
with
NYSEG
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
need
a
pad
mounted
Transformer
because
of
all
the
electrification
that
we've
had
to
do
to
this
facility,
but
we're
proposing
to
to
screen
this
off
and
hopefully
not
disturb.
T
You
know
the
the
views
here,
but
you
know
this
is
a
this
is
part
of
the
of
the
process
and
if
we
do
need
to
find
another
location,
Frank
and
I
have
got
to
look
at
it
and
and
see
if
there's
another
unobtrusive
spot,
that's
that
may
be
better
than
where
we've
located
it.
Primary
reason
is
our
utility
poles
are
here
on
our
lower
level.
T
This
is
the
most
efficient
way
to
distribute
our
line,
sets
and
and
connect
with
our
hot
water
heaters,
which
will
be
located
on
the
lower
level
in
the
boiler
room
area.
T
And
this
is
our
site
utility
plan.
Most
of
our
utilities
are
actually
coming
in
this
area
here,
so
we
just
wanted
to
to
make
it
most
efficient
and
the
way
this
the
the
grading
works.
This
is
a
relatively
flat
area
and
we
thought
it
was
a
an
area
that
that
would
just
that
would
disturb
the
view
up.
Westbrook
Lane,
the
least
because
this
is
the
most
prominent
View
and
all
of
our
efforts
are
pretty
much
to
not
disturb
the
the
southern
facade
and
the
Eastern
one.
T
And-
and
these
are
just
for
reference-
the
the
interior
work
that
we're
we're
embarking
on
this
is
some
demolition.
In
order
to
accommodate
this
handicapped,
lift
foreign.
T
For
reference,
how
we're
transforming
the
rear
elevation,
an
old
1970s
Edition
that
we
are
demolishing?
T
T
We
plan
on
making
all
of
our
improvements,
contextual
so
as
to
not
disturb
the
feel
of
the
of
the
existing
building,
and
most
of
our
work
on
the
exterior
at
the
most
prominent
facade
is
to
restore
everything
that
that
exists,
restore
replace
and
kind.
The
windows
are
all
going
to
be
restored.
There's
there's
no
replacement
in
kind
with
the
windows,
so
we
we
felt
as
I
mean
as
as
much
work
as
we
are
doing
in
order
to
to
improve
the
rear
or
the
North
portion
of
the
building.
T
C
If
you
have
the
rendering,
if
you
just
want
to
throw
it
up
as
we
go
through
comments
that
might
be
worthwhile,
but
otherwise
I
think
we're
probably
ready
to
go
around
the
room
and
give
you
feedback
on
what
we've
seen.
A
B
A
A
fantastic
project
to
to
bring
back
historic
building,
you're
ticking,
all
the
boxes,
you're,
electrifying,
you're,
doing
permeable,
pavers
you're,
adding
accessibility,
so
so
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
great
project
and
it's
like
a
good
start.
Thanks.
C
D
Yeah,
this
is
a
great
project,
love
to
see
this
building
being
renovated.
I
think
we've
got
a
really
nice
start
going.
I
love
the
rendering,
it's
quite
beautiful.
Actually,
my
questions
are
about
some
of
the
site
plan,
ideas
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
there
is
a
way
to
keep
the
four
large
trees
that
you're
taking
out
along
the
driveway.
E
D
The
road
actually
needs
to
be
elevated.
The
entry
Drive
needs
to
be
elevated
since
you're
having
a
lift
at
the
front
door.
That's
the
second
comment,
and
the
third
comment
is
the
size
of
the
the
grass
paper
area
seems
really
really
big
and
I.
Think
I
would
want
to
know
how
many
events
per
year
you're
really
considering
outdoors
in
that
space
and
whether
that
could
just
maintain
itself
as
lawn
with
the
seat
wall
and
then
defining
a
border,
a
stone
border,
that's
flush
with
the
ground.
D
It's
that
defines
that
space
instead
of
doing
the
whole
area
in
Grass
pavers,
which
I
think
is
a
little
bit
excessive
in
my
opinion,
instead
of
keeping
it
a
nice
broad
lawn
which
is
the
foreground
of
the
historic
building.
But
again
it's
a
wonderful
start
and
thank
you
for
the
work.
Thank.
C
So
I
think
you've
gotten
some
good
feedback.
I'll
say
from
my
piece:
it's
a
very
handsome
building,
love
to
see
it
being
used
in
this
way
and
I
know
the
rebounding
of
an
alpha.
Chapter
of
anything
is
a
huge
huge
deal
and
congratulations
on.
B
A
Just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
our
way,
as
the
applicants
are
coming
into
the
room
that
ilpc
has
already
reviewed
this,
so
the
design
of
the
building
the
materials
they've
made
those
decisions
already
so
look
forward,
we'll
really
be
looking
at.
You
know
environmental
review
and
issues
like
some
of
the
Landscaping
details,
mostly
environmental
effects,
transportation.
C
D
A
So
they'll
be
that
it
will
be
referred
to
them
through
gml
and
have
we
been
in
touch
with
them?
A
General
municipaloud
will
refer
to
that
four
comments.
You
know.
C
T
K
O
Sure
I'll
share
my
screen
and
appreciate
you
squeezing
Us
in
tonight.
Hey.
My
name
is
Arnold
Larson
I'm
with
with
DDS
companies
and
representing
NYSEG.
Here
we
get
involved
with
their
gas
management
projects
across
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
actually
across
most
state
of
New
York
and
have
been
involved
with
a
few
different
regulator.
Station
projects
in
the
Ithaca
region
and
this
Project's
been
in
the
works
for
a
couple
years
now
and
on
the
corner
of
Grandview
and
Hudson,
and
you.
O
The
objectives
one
of
the
objectives
of
tonight
was
really
just
make
introduction
of
the
project
and
then
to
really
to
identify.
The
city
is
a
lead
Agency
for
Seekers.
So
we
have
received
some
public
comments.
Those
are
read
earlier
in
the
meeting
tonight.
O
We
have
a
memo
from
City
engineering,
I,
don't
know
if
they've
actually
had
a
chance
to
review
the
documentation
yet,
but
they
do
mention
it
is
on
on
private
property,
so
there
might
be
more
coming
to
that
effect,
and
one
of
the
objectives
here
that
NYSEG
has
had
for
a
number
of
years
is
a
long
Grandview
to
the
West.
There
is
a
high
pressure
gas
main
system.
O
Medium
pressures
is
what
it's
at
and
it's
a
reinforcement
need
that
they
have
along
Hudson
Street
and
the
continuation
of
gas
to
Hudson,
where
Hudson
does
have
gas.
There
is
a
need
to
for
the
installation
of
a
regulator
station
just
because
of
the
pressure
differential
is
there
some
years
ago.
Actually
it
was
back
in
19.
We
started
this
process
and
we
did
explore
other
properties
to
the
south
of
the
project
and
tried
to
identify.
You
know
where
were
some
other
potential
properties
that
we
could
potentially
acquire
an
easement
from.
O
To
be
honest,
this
was
not
a
First
Choice
location
and,
after
approaching
a
few
different
Property
Owners,
this
became
the
best
option
and
we
have
been
coordinating
with
the
church
for
a
couple
years
now
and
identified
that
this
property
that
they
have
on
the
north
side
of
Grandview
is
actually
a
parcel
of
theirs.
It's
a
non-billable
parcel.
O
They
do
utilize
it
for
on-street
parking
and
we
identified
a
location
where
we
could
situate
a
regulator
station
while
they
still
could
maintain
their
existing
parking
facility
there
and
and
not
infring
upon
the
Clear
Vision
of
the
street.
O
In
the
past,
we've
done
regulator,
stations
across
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
other
parts
of
the
state
and
nyseg's
traditional
building
is,
is
the
like:
a
metal
building,
a
park
line
structure
or
something
of
neutral
colors,
and
as
we
explored
options
for
this
building,
we
wanted
to
consider
instructability
time
frames,
material,
selection
and
really
longevity.
O
O
One
of
the
reasons
is
time:
they
are
able
to
have
this
as
a
Precast
unit
that
does
get
assembled
on
on
site.
It
does
not
come
as
one
unit,
but
but
it
does
help
to
expedite
the
the
erection
process
and
that's
been
one
of
the
choices
that
they
made
to
go
with
the
concrete.
The
other
is
just
longevity
for
the
building.
Sometimes
this
the
metal
might
have
deteriorate
over
the
years
by
Nicks
and
dings
and
things
that
alike
so
I
think
the
concrete
does
help
to
to
preserve
that
and
really
reinforce
the
structure.
O
It
also
does
help
with
sound
attenuation
and
contain
any
any
noise
that
might
be
emitting
from
within,
but
the
reality
of
this
station
being
that
it's
only
going
from
a
60
pound
to
a
less
than
10
pounds
of
pressure
across
the
street.
The
amount
of
noise
generated
by
The
Regulators
is
really
quite
minimal.
O
So
there's
a
few
of
these
stations
that
do
operate
around
the
city
and
they
potentially
they
don't
residents,
might
not
even
know
that
there's
equipment
performing
a
function
inside
the
building,
just
because
of
the
lack
of
noise.
There's
no
electrical
with
this
building.
There's
no
lighting
and
the
structure
that
we've
sized
here
is
a
10
by
16.
O
and
we've
situated
in
a
location
on
the
North
side
here,
just
behind
the
guide
rail
trying
to
stay
off
the
slope,
because
vegetation
to
the
north
and
it'll
be
just
a
a
single
story:
10
by
16
precast,
concrete
building,
as
we
consider
the
material
selection,
one
of
the
things
that,
as
we
were
talking
with
the
church
at
the
time
you
know
we
were
trying
to
consider.
O
Okay,
what's
their
facade
look
like
and
how
do
we
replicate
that
to
keep
it
as
a
consistent
look
and
we
went
with
the
form
liner,
the
brick
lined
forms
and
it'd
be
red
stained
walls
to
to
match
the
appearance
of
the
church
itself.
So,
while
this
structure
is
not
associated
with
the
church
being
that
it's
on
their
property,
where
we
have
secured
an
easement
for
the
placement
of
the
regulator
station,
we
felt
like
that
was
a
good
choice
of
material
selection.
O
There
so
I
think
it
was
back
in
June
when
we
started
the
permitting
process
for
this
project
by
that
of
the
way
of
a
building
permit
and
then
limited
site
plan
review
with
staff
staff's
been
very
helpful
along
the
the
course
of
the
project
to
guide
us
these
regulator
stations
very.
Have
they
have
limited
use,
there's
not
somebody
that
comes
to
the
building
every
day.
There's
not
the
need
to
park
a
vehicle
to
service
The
Regulators
on
a
regular
basis.
O
It's
on
occasion
stop
in
check,
see
how
things
are
going
once
a
month
change
out.
They
have
charts
in
there
that
they
have
to
check
in
on
and
change,
but
we
we
actually
initially
started
with
it
without
any
sidewalks
or
any
hardscapes
approaching
the
structure,
and
it
was
recommended
that
we
add
that
so
we
went
ahead
and
add
the
concrete
walk
from
the
from
the
drive
from
the
parking
area
to
the
south
side
of
the
building.
O
There
is
some
trees
that
we're
proposing
to
be
placed
either
side
of
the
building,
with
some
under
Shrubbery
as
well,
and
a
landscape
bed.
But
essentially
what
we
will
be
doing
is
restoring
the
area
to
vegetative
cover
the
way
it
is.
It
exists
right
now
and
that's.
It
was
an
objective
to
try
and
construct
it.
This
year,
that's
obviously
was
delayed
a
little
bit
we're
going
through
the
process
with
the
city
and
I
understand.
O
You
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
another
public
hearing
or
the
public
hearing
is
going
to
occur
at
the
January
meeting,
but
we
will
plan
on
attending
that
meeting
as
well,
so
the
from
a
stormwater
perspective
and
a
grading
perspective
everything's
operating
as
is
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
change
from
an
earth
disturbance
perspective.
O
It's
it's
not
that
large
in
scale
it's
pretty
minor
Improvement,
so
it's
it
does
have
a
little
impact
in
in
the
way
of
those
regards
in
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
planning
board's
opinion
as
to
the
direction
of
the
site
plan
and
we'll
continue
to
work
with
staff
in
the
planning
department,
with
their
thoughts
regarding
site
plan
as
well.
To
the
north,
we
do
have
double
doors
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
as
well.
O
That's
just
in
the
event
that
they
have
to
get
additional
light
into
the
building,
but
there's
not
operational
uses
that
would
be
going
up
the
rear
of
the
building
and
then
to
the
north.
There
is
a
downward
slope
to
the
neighbor's
property,
but,
and
then
beyond,
that
is
a
vegetative
buffer
to
the
north.
So
that's
I,
guess
our
project.
K
D
I
guess
I'm
curious
to
know
what
would
happen
if
you
didn't
do
this
building
I
was
trying
to
hear
like
what
the
critical
need
was
for
it
and
I
kind
of
heard
that
there's
a
large
gas
main
that's
being
regulated
down
to
a
smaller
one.
Are
there
issues?
Are
there
leaks?
Are
there
people
who
aren't
getting
gas
service?
You
know
like
10
houses
down
the
street
I,
don't
really
understand
the
need
for
this
project.
I
I'd
rather
not
comment
on
the
site
plan,
but
I'd.
Rather
you
talk
about
the
critical
purpose
of
it.
O
O
A
Yeah
thanks
for
using
the
brick
treatment.
Let's
appreciate
it
thanks.
G
A
This
seems
completely
reasonable
to
me
and
I
think
the
disconnect
is
seems
completely
unreasonable
to
Neighbors.
B
But
everything
is
presented
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It's
a
small
impact
and
so.
A
B
A
Slope
behind
it
and
with
neighbor
concerns
of
it
really
standing
out
and
not
fitting
in
it.
It
may
be
read
I
understand
the
reasoning,
but
maybe
it's
the
wrong
decision
from
that
perspective,
but
otherwise
this
is
seems
like
you've
got
a
lot
got
ahead
of
a
lot
already
and
it
seems
like
a
reasonable
project.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
O
You
nice
I,
would
probably
prefer
green
that's
kind
of
their
color,
but
I
can
talk
to
them
about
the
color
concept
and
the
public
Outreach
thought.
C
Thank
you,
Elizabeth.
A
Really
good
points,
and
thanks
for
your
presentation,
I,
don't
think
I
have
anything
to
add
I.
Think
Emily
has
made
some
new
points.
C
Thank
you,
yeah
I'll
Echo
that
I
think
Emily
gave
you
very
solid
feedback.
There
I
think
Outreach
could
really
help
smooth
this
along
and.
C
Of
I
mean
I
realize
that
you
heard
them
too,
but
just
to
go
overview
over
what
I
feel
like
I
heard
from
the
public
is
concern
about
the
noise,
his
concern
about
emissions
of
natural
gas
and
his
concerns
about
a
potential
explosion
of
natural
gas,
which
I
see
is
two
at
least
two
different
issues
there
and
I
think
documenting
those
concerns
and
ways
that
when
the
time
comes,
we
can
say
yes,
the
written
answer
to
this.
With
you
know,
a
sound
basis
is
X
will
really
help
us
move
things
along.
C
E
E
A
Thanks
for
the
presentation
you
mentioned
that
what
this
is
replacing
is
another
facility,
that's
in
a
bowl.
So
why
can't
this
be
an
appointment.
O
Operation
may
I
address
that
now.
Okay,
operationally
the
all
utility
companies
are
really
trying
to
get
away
from
vaults,
they're
they're
hazardous
for
the
service
individuals,
and
they
do
have
maintenance
issues
with
addressing
the
water
and
water
infiltration.
But
it's
it
has
been
a
push.
I'd
say
that
was
definitely
something
of
the
past.
O
You
know
above
grade
structures,
so
they'd
rather
spend
the
money
on
less
clean
up
the
appearance
of
the
structures
and
make
sure
that's
as
conducive
as
Pro
as
possible
and
and
really
try
and
get
away
from
the
vaults
vaults
tend
to
have
vent
Stacks.
So
even
if
it
does
go
below
grade,
there
is
still
above
grade
apparatuses
that
would
extend
above
grade.
So
it's
not
like
it
goes
underground.
Nobody
ever
sees
anything,
but
it's
a
direction
that
the
industry
has
gone
over
the
years
just
to
get
away
from.
C
Thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
board
or
staff
yeah.
A
I
think
thank
you
for
the
president.
The
only
other
concern
that
I
heard,
or
one
of
the
other
concerns
was
the
screening
which
it
looks
like
we've
done
a
great
job
on
some
of
the
sides
of
it.
Maybe
thinking
about
for
the
north
side,
because
that
is
a
downward
slope
of
some
kind
of
screening,
I.
Think,
okay,.
A
I
would
just
it's
not
a
corner.
This
is
not
a
property
that
could
have
a
house
on
it,
at
least
not
that
I'm.
Seeing
so
that
corner,
is
you
know
not
you
know?
Normally
we
want
a
house,
oh
one,
our
substantial
building,
so
you
know
the
extent
that
this
can
be
look
like
a
real
building,
landscaped
heavily
and
add
Beauty
to
that
corner.
C
Yeah
yeah
I
I'd
Echo
that.
K
C
Know
because
it's
not
going
to
be
hidden
to
the
extent
it
can
be
compelling,
you
know,
I
think
the
smoother.
This
will
go
anything
else.
C
I
think
that's
it
and
we
will
see
you
I
assume
next
meeting.
C
You
that
brings
us
to
the
Argos
in
expansion.
F
Hello,
I'm
Craig,
with
stream
collaborative
I'll,
be
making
the
presentation
we
potentially
have
Rob
Mirage
as
well
and
yamila
from
what
I'm,
planning
and
design
we'll
be
joining
us
should
ice
start
with
the
presentation.
Please
do
okay,
foreign.
K
A
Well,
they're
well
Craig's
working
on
this.
This
is
another
project,
but
also
requires
site
plan
review
because
of
that
meets
the
criteria
for
it,
but
also
seeking
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
the
irpc.
So
they
will
decide
make
the
decision
on
design
materials.
B
F
F
A
Hello
yourself
and
we
could
move
to
zoning
Fields.
C
B
A
Think
so
this
is
tell.
G
A
Is
basically,
the
owners
want
to
create
a
carport
over
their
existing
driveway
at
209,
Elmwood
Avenue,
and
it's
going
to
go
into
the
side
yard,
so
they
need
a
side
yard
variance.
It's
basically,
the
synopsis
yeah.
A
And
and.
A
D
E
C
A
C
We
already
did
the
William,
let's
check
back
in
with
Craig
how.
F
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much,
I'm,
sorry
about
the
hassle,
so
we're
here
to
present
for
the
Argos
in
an
expansion
of
it,
we're
talking
about
11
rooms
that
we're
planning
on
putting
on
the
back
side
of
the
existing
Argos
in
and
connecting
up
with
an
existing
garage
structure.
F
So
it's
and
then
we've
got
a
patio.
Unfortunately,
I
can't
point
with
my
cursor,
but
we've
got
a
patio
area
that
used
to
be
or
is
existing
where
the
expansion
is
planned
to
be
so
we're
essentially
moving
it
and
slightly
shrinking
the
new
patio
space
to
the
end
of
the
end
of
what
is
the
parking
lot?
F
We're
screening
that
new
patio
space
with
what
we're
calling
a
service
building?
It's
a
long,
rectangular
building
in
front
of
it
that
service
building
will
be
services
for
seasonally,
for
serving
food
and
serving
alcohol
to
to
restaurant
customers
or
in
customers.
That
would
be
able
to
use
patio
space.
F
The
Patio
with
them
has
done
an
excellent
job,
creating
a
very
functional
but
interesting
and
aesthetically
pleasing
patio
space
with
two
different
levels.
You
can
sort
of
see
the
elevation
on
the
lower
right
of
this
page.
How
it's
split
between
the
lower
patio
and
the
upper
patio?
E
F
And
you
know
gather
and
utilizing
the
retaining
wall
which
is
going
to
be
stone,
block
wall
stuff
like
large
stones
and
different
planting
plant
planting
areas
to
create
a
lot
of
interest
within
the
area
Nikki.
F
If
you
could
subscribe
before,
I
say
that
on
the
back
of
the
so,
the
other
purpose
of
this
terracine
is
that
we
have
on
the
back
of
the
expansion,
a
fire
exit
that
needs
to
come
down
to
grade
and
then
out
around
the
building
following
some
stairs
that
are
in
the
middle
of
the
patio
area,
and
then
the
existing
building
next
door
also
has
a
fire
exit
that
needs
to
utilize
the
upper
patio
area
and
and
then
use
the
stairs
to
exit
down
through
the
parking
lot.
F
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
of
the
the
division
and
multi-levels
besides
adding
interest
Nikki.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
page,
we
could
start
talking
to
sorry
it's
the
next
page
13..
F
F
Like
that,
without
being
overbearing
to
the
original
in
so
they're
of
a
comparable
size,
slightly
smaller
in
the
expansion,
it's
technically
three
stories,
although
it's
it's
sort
of
two
and
a
half
in
that
we're
talking
the
third
story
under
the
roof
section
as
much
as
possible,
with
a
couple
Dormers
one
on
each
side,
to
the
East
and
to
the
West
Nikki.
F
If
you
could
go
the
next
page,
please
so
the
first
four
we've
got
three
rooms
on
the
first
floor,
plus
a
little
bit
of
office
space
for
administrative
offices,
we've
also
tucked
in
some
some
bathrooms
for
the
seasonal
outdoor
Terraces,
so
that
we
have
adequate
bathrooms
servicing
them.
F
Okay,
that's
great!
So
it's
on
the
lower
part
of
the
of
this
building
and
the
extension
it's
in
the
existing
garage
area
that
we've
put
the
the
offices
in
the
bathrooms.
F
F
I
guess
we
go
to
the
next
page
and
show
the
the
upper
two
floors.
Four
four
rooms
per
floor
as
we
go
up.
The
third
floor.
Has
the
exit
stairs
out
the
back,
so
it
would
be
opposite
the
street
level,
so
it
really
is
tucked
on
the
back,
so
that
it's
not
very
visible
and
the
next.
And
then,
if
you
look
on
the
second
floor,
there's
shown
the
the
future
office
space
is
sort
of
over
that
garage,
Carriage
House
area.
F
And
so
again,
trying
to
keep
similar
sizing
proportions
massing
without
being
overbearing
to
the
original
in,
and
this
is
again
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
overall.
So
it's
it's
away
from
the
street,
but
still
thinking
about
Aesthetics,
you
know
with
the
West
Side
trying
to
mimic
a
lot
of
the
window
patterns
and
materials,
copying
a
lot
of
the
cornice
details
and
things
like
that
around
the
roof
Eaves
to
try
and
really
tie
it
in
with
the
existing
building
matching
the
the
blue
stone.
F
That's
used
for
the
seals
and
the
Caps
over
the
windows
and
stone
around
the
base,
potentially
stucco
or
painted
brick
for
the
the
main
facade
material.
F
We're
still
trying
to
figure
that
out
slightly
because
of
pricing
and
see
what
kind
of
costs
with
you
know
a
lot
of
increased
instruction
costs
we're
trying
to,
but
either
one
stucco
or
the
the
painted
white
brick.
Both
of
them
are
currently
used
and
and
part
of
existing
ends.
So
we
think
that
either
one
can
tie
in
very
nicely
if
you
could
go
to
the
last
page.
Please
Nikki!
F
Thank
you.
So
this
is
the
last
two
elevations
of
the
expansion,
but
then
also
two
elevations
of
the
service
building
kind
of
showing
where
the
the
food
and
the
beverage
service
are
going
to
be
also
hiding
any.
You
know,
trash
bins
and
things
like
that
and
some
additional
storage
in
that
building.
This
is
the
service
building,
is
at
the
end
of
parking
lot.
F
So
it's
helping
screen
that
patio,
but
then
also
kind
of
create
that
transition
between
the
parking
area
and
the
more
in
user
area
just
to
as
I
think
Avi
was
mentioning.
While
I
was
having
my
technical
difficulties,
we
did
attend
the
ilpc
earlier
this
evening.
It
was
the
project
was
very
well
very
much
liked
it,
but
they
definitely
wanted
some
more
detail
and
a
little
bit
more
refinement
of
certain
aspects,
mostly
building
related,
so
they
tabled
us
for
next
month
and
I
would
say.
E
F
This
project
Megan,
was
nice
enough
to
have
us,
come
at
the
beginning
of
January
to
have
an
initial
discussion
with
the
dza
about
the
parking
variants.
F
So
we
can
get
some
feedback
from
them
answer
any
questions,
and
things
like
that
before
we
actually
put
in
the
full
application
for
the
bza
I
think
that's
all
I
had
as
far
as
the
presentation.
C
Right
we'll
go
around
the
room,
Eric.
G
Comments
tonight
you
know
this
is
bringing
back
memories
and
talking
about
Argos
parking.
I
was
there
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
I
was
trying
to
remember
all
the
issues
and
I
couldn't
quite
recall
them
and
now
welcome.
C
Back
indeed,
Mitch
looks.
D
E
B
Same
I
think
it's
gonna
be
great.
It's
a
super
smart
choice
to
draw
these
drawings
by
hand
because
it
looks.
A
Like
we're
picking
historical
drawings
from
you
know
100
years
ago,
and
it
is
meant
to
be
there
all
along,
but
I
have
no
doubt
that
what
you
build
will
fit
in
perfectly
so
yeah.
It's
super
exciting.
A
C
So
pretty
warm
reception
tonight
I
would
say
you
know.
I
I
think
that
I'm
curious
to
see
what
the
bva
does
with
parking,
because
I
remember
that
being
a
big
struggle.
Last
time
before
the
expansion.
C
Wish
you
the
best
of
luck
there,
but
yeah
I
mean
it
sounds
like
a
pretty
warm
reception
from
this
board
and
decided
to
see
this.
This
progress
anything
from
staff
all
right,
well,
I!
Think
that's
it
for
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much
can.
F
C
F
C
Oh
I
am
sure
we
will
hear
about
the
parking
from
you.
Lisa
might
be
able
to
speak
to
how
much
we
need
to
hear
about
the
parking.
A
C
K
K
We
got
to
try
that
out
for
two
years
without
having
any
bar
parking
in
the
parking
lot,
because
we
had
outdoor
seating
in
the
same
area
with
a
new
patio
is
going
to
be
in
the
back
of
the
parking
lot
and
I
did
a
real
study
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
did
many
many
video
walkthroughs
of
the
busiest
time
at
the
bar
and
and
it
seemed
to
work
really
well,
not
having
the
bar
parking
for
two
years.
C
Good,
you
know
again
best
of
luck
with
that.
C
C
We've
already
made
it
through
voting
appeals
that
makes
us
to
bring
us
the
whole
new
business
first
is.
We
now
have
a
officially
appointed
Vice
chair,
Elizabeth,
Goten,
congratulations
and
then
there's
a
retreat.
A
E
K
A
Think
that
the
board
gets
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
information
from
applicants.
That
epus
is
this
any
pieces
that
and
it
felt
like
it,
used
to
be
and
I
think
the
board
probably
would
like
some
training
on
that.
If
you
you,
you
already
have
the
background,
I
think
about
what
how
it
can
look,
how
it
can
be
durable.
A
Well,
you
know
all
the
questions,
all
the
things
that
people
say.
We
need
somebody
an
impartial
expert
in
order
to
evaluate
these
yeah.
K
E
K
A
At
least
experience
I
mean
I
think
it
has.
It
has
its
place
in
buildings
that
are
not
meant
to
last
like
100
years,
or
you
know
a
commercial
buildings
where
they
do
renewal
around
five
to
ten
years
or
whatever
I
don't
know,
I'm,
not
a
fan
because
I've
seen
it
failing
so
much
and
I.
Just
don't
think
it's
a
great
look.
M
A
C
Fair
enough
I
wonder
if
there's
not
still
something
to
dive
into
there
in
a
retreat,
but
you
know,
maybe
maybe
not
the
other
thing
that
occurred
to
me
for
retreat
is
you
know,
CJ
sent
her
departure
email,
which
makes
me
very
sad.
A
C
It
it
talks
about
Henry,
Ford
and
Henry.
George
is
great,
and
you
know
land
taxes
and
those
are
also
great
and
I.
Think
it's
interesting
because
it's
it's
that
kind
of
planning
idea
that
I
think
in
a
perfect
world.
We
could
engage
in
more,
but
we
don't
necessarily
have
a
way
of
doing
that,
because
we
spend
our
time
as
a
development
approvals
board
rather
than
a
planning
board.
C
You
know,
I,
remember
some
years
back,
I
was
trying
to
beat
the
realm
for
inclusionary
zoning
because
I
wanted
to
take
on.
You
know
the
affordability
issue
and
thought
that
was
the
mechanism
to
do
it.
But
of
course,
wait.
G
C
Another
city
legislature,
we
don't
have
the
authority
for
that,
even
if
we
were
able
to
put
together
a
compelling
picture
of
what
we
thought
it
should
look
like
for
us.
You
know
what
value
is
there
in
that
exercise?
C
If
we
can't
execute
and
like
maybe
it's
still
a
meta
conversation
like
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
take
down
land
taxes
and
inclusionary
Zoning
at
a
retreat,
because
that's
ridiculous
but
I
think
maybe
a
meta
conversation
about
who
we
are
and
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
other
than
just
trying
to
get
developers
through
the
Hoops
they
have
to
jump
through,
which
is
important
and
like
98
and
a
half
percent
of
what
we
do.
C
But
it
shouldn't
be
100
of
what
we
did.
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
it's
would
do.
D
Is
a
part
of
that
I
think
we
need
to
broaden
the
conversation
to
talk
about
what
buildings
are
successful,
yeah,
which
ones
are
not?
What
have
you
know?
What
have
we
approved
in
the
last
five
years
or
so
and
really
take
a
hard
look
and
talk
to
each
other
about
how
we
feel
about
design
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
critical
for
this
sport
I
think
we're.
You
know,
pushing
applicants
through
absolutely.
A
A
And
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
examples
where
we
did
allow
the
use
of
deepest
and
we
compare
that
to
how
they
are
right
now.
You
know.
E
C
A
Also,
we
also
talked
Mitch
and
I
have
talked
about
how
you
know
we're
seeing
this
certain
metallic
materials
over
and
over
again
and
yeah
and
used
in
the
same
way
over
and
over
again.
So
what
are
ways
that
the
board
can
push
applicants
to
make
them
make
it
better
make
the
design
better?
Like
you
know,
like
the
citizen,
you
know
what:
how
can
we
up
in
the
board
affects
given
the.
J
A
But
you
know
so
I'm
not
sure
how
to
exactly
who
to
bring
on
to
train
that
or
who
you
know
how
to
how
to
design
the
training,
but
I
think
Mitch
has
offered
to
help
start
a
conversation
start
a
conversation.
We
could
I
think
that's
an
interesting
idea
to
look
at
buildings
that
over
the
past
several
years
and
see
what
we
think
you
know
like.
For
instance,
people
often
comment
on
the
city
center.
A
What
are
the
aspects
of
City
Center
that
really
work?
Yeah
brick
face,
really
works,
really
works
or
if
they
or
mistakes,
that
with
me
too,
like
yeah
I,
really
don't
like
that
one
hotel
that
has
the
was
supposed
to
have
an
expansion.
You
know
as
the
exposed.
A
A
C
Got
so
like
I
mean
it's
part
of
the
retrospective,
the
other
place
that
I
that
comes
to
mind,
and
that
was
Amici
house.
Where
we
approved
One
Pilot,
then
they
came
back
for
you
know,
approval
of
changes,
but
they'd
already
made
the
changes,
and
you
know
it's
not
like
they
were
gonna,
make
them
tear
it
down
and
rebuild
it,
but
like
what
do
we
do?
How
do
we
manage
that
kind
of
situation?
I?
Think
right
now
we
don't
have
a
good
way
to
manage
it.
Eric.
G
B
G
You
know
40,
you
know
tax,
probably
four
years
and
they
they
tear
it
down
renovated,
but
some
of
the
projects
I
just
looked
at
today-
I
can
see
they're
being
being
there
for
100
years
and
that
matters
to
me
and
if
I
may,
just
one
I
think
I
mentioned
this
last
month.
But
my
understanding
I
could
be
wrong.
Is
that
there's
not
a
DC
fast
charger
for
non-tesla
cars?
Okay
and
it
seems
like
there
should
be
sure
we're.
G
I
I
get
different
responses.
I
just
wanted
to
look
at
basically.
Is
there
anything
we
could
do
as
a
planning
board
to
make
it
easier
for
commercial
parties
to
plan
fast
Chargers,
because
I
think
people
yeah.
If
you
live
in
an
apartment,
it's
your
only
option
sure
and
if
you
want
to
Transit
through
the
area,
people
are
going
to
choose
their
path
based
on
where
they
are,
and
we
want
people
to
come
here
anyway.
What
does
potential
agenda
well.
A
That
makes
me
think
about
just
in
general,
having
sustainability
staff
talk
about
ways
that
match
their
work
with
this,
the
work
that
this
board
does,
and
that
would
be.
A
Lot,
yes,
it
could
be
yeah
that
that
conversation
we
could
have
on
yeah
on
a
slower
month,
but.
A
Know
another
building,
I
thought
worked
really
well
and
actually
the
review
of
their
design
and
everything
went
well
is
the
one
that
was
over
by.
E
D
A
That
sounds,
that's
that's
great.
So
do
we
want
to
set
a
basic
date
now
or
is
it
to
I
mean
since
we're
here
yeah.
A
A
C
A
A
D
A
A
You
know
how
long
it's
been
there,
how
it's
aged,
like
that's
something
that
we
do
in
architecture
is
look
at
precedent,
studies
and
see
where,
where
it
was
efficient
and
where
it
didn't
work,
I
don't
know.
So
that's
combining
the
two
ideas
right,
the
ebis
training
with
the
yeah
with
the
whatever
the
other.
You
know
right,
looking
at
historically
historical
review.
A
We'll
see
what
we
can
do
and
let's
do
you
know,
sort
of
build
this
together
and
we
can
gather
you
know
we
can
go
out
and
do
some
photography
of
the
buildings
that
have
been
built
and
I
can
think.
Often
I
had
a
couple
that
you
know
had
aphis
in
different
places
and
we
debated
it
for
a
long
time.
Take
pictures
and
see
what.
Q
They
think
maybe
Architects
could
also
send
photographs
that
usually
other
buildings
photographed
after
the
completed.
That's
true
just.
G
H
A
A
Out
a
whole
yeah,
so
I
do
it
was
a
very
busy
year,
I'm
just
so
amazed
every
year,
how
busy
it
is
and
how
busy
you
are,
and
I
just
really
want
to.
Thank
you
all
for
your
service
and
for
this
a
lot.