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A
Okay,
all
right-
and
so
we
are
live
here-
welcome
everyone.
Welcome
welcome
to
the
black
town
hall
meeting
of
southside
community
center.
My
name
is
dr
nia
nunn
and
I
serve
as
the
president
on
the
board
glorious
glorious
responsibility,
and
it
is
a
joy
to
have
so
many
amazing
people
on
the
screen.
Today
we
have
a
very
important
conversation,
as
we
always
do
for
our
black
town
hall
meetings
to
engage
the
community
in.
I
know
I'm
excited
to
learn.
I
have
questions.
A
I
know
that
we
have
been
building
for
this
moment
and
we
have
experts
on
the
scene
a
few
additional
board
members
as
well.
We've
got
minister
amos
malone
on
the
scene
as
well
as
mona
lita
smiley,
and
there
are
several
other
amazing
folks
that
will
be
introducing
this
evening.
I
always
like
to
look
for
the
flyer,
so
give
me
a
moment
I'll
I'll
grab
the
flyer
and
put
that
up
as
well,
but
I
am
eager
for
us
to
to
get
started,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
I
will
introduce.
A
A
I'm
excited
to
pass
you
the
mic,
as
you
have
a
team
of
incredible
folks,
who'll
be
presenting
today
serving
as
the
project
co-leader
of
this
reimagining
public
safety.
I'm
really
really
looking
forward
to
this
conversation
again.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Oh
yes,
we
have
a
few
additional
folks
that
have
entered
the
space.
I
see
miss
millie
clark
maynard
as
well
beautiful,
beautiful,
welcome
everyone,
and
thank
you
for
allocating
time
to
be
here.
A
B
C
B
You
dr
nia,
and
thank
you
southside
community
center
for
having
this
black
town
hall.
I
am
karen
yearwood,
a
co-lead
for
the
reimagining
public
safety
in
ithaca,
and
I
co-lead
this
initiative
with
the
working
group
with
eric
rosario,
who
sends
his
regret
regrets,
but
he
was
unfortunately
not
able
to
attend
this
evening
and-
and
he
attacks
me
early
and
like
of
all
town
halls
or
group
settings
I
wanted
to
be
in
this-
is
one
I
wanted
to
be
at,
so
he
definitely
sends
his
regrets.
B
Also
here
we
have
mark
juan
fredrick,
who
will
be
presented,
presenting
also
he's
a
cornell
student.
He
was
on
the
working
group
as
well
as
we
had
an
ithaca
college
student
on
the
working
group.
We
have
amos
malone
who
was
on
our
working
group
and,
in
addition,
mona
lita,
smallie
she'll
she's
here
as
the
director
of
the
community
justice
center.
So
thank
you
mona
leader
for
fulfilling
that
role.
B
They
have
numerous
years
triple
digit
years
law
enforcement
amongst
that
group
and
they
were
instrumental
in
the
first
phase
at
the
beginning
when
we
started
this
whole
initiative
back
in
2020,
so
we
wouldn't
have
been
where
we
are
without
their
expertise
and
direction.
So
we
do
appreciate
that
for
the
center
for
police
inequity-
and
we
have
our
interim
mayor,
laura
lewis,
who
was
a
working
group
member
when
she
was
a
common
council
member
and
now
is
a
interim
mayor.
So
I'll
ask
her
to
start
the
first
slide.
D
D
D
I
was
one
of
a
number
of
people,
including
representatives
from
the
ithaca
police
department,
including
other
city
staff,
including
other
common
council
colleagues,
myself
ducks
and
nguyen
george
mcgonagall
older
persons
in
the
city
were
involved
in
the
working
groups.
We
also
included
other
interested
city
residents
as
well
as
outside
experts,
as
we
worked
on
developing
this
plan
that
you
will
hear
more
about
in
detail
tonight.
The
task
force
was
charged
with
making
its
recommendations
and
you'll
see
that
we
were
charged
with
making
recommendations
to
common
council
by
september
2021..
D
Some
people
asked.
Why
was
the
report
issued
now,
rather
than
sooner,
and
I
will
add
my
voice
to
say
we
wanted
to
do
a
very
thorough
and
thoughtful
job
on
this
very
important
charge.
So
sometimes
it
takes
longer
when
you
are
being
very
thorough
and
deliberate
and
listening
to
all
voices,
all
the
voices
possible
in
coming
up
with
a
recommendation.
B
B
Commissioner.
Some
may
ask
well
why
this
title.
We
know
that
there
are
other
departments
within
the
city
of
ithaca,
like
the
department
of
public
works,
that
has
superintendent,
but
we
as
a
working
group,
decided
and
voted
on
the
title,
commissioner,
to
show
the
depth
and
the
breadth
of
the
responsibilities
of
the
division
of
police
and
the
division
of
community
solutions.
B
E
Thank
you,
mrs
yearwood.
The
next
part
of
the
process
was
obviously
the
call
delineation
process
and
we
were
able
to
break
down
into
smaller
groups
as
a
working
group
and
to
really
evaluate
the
various
different
call
delineation
types
with
that
being
the
division
of
police,
responding
to
more
serious
threats
to
the
public
in
the
division
of
community
solutions,
which
is
more
so
quality
of
life
cause.
I
will
admit
that
this
is
probably
the
most
meaningful
part
of
my
experience
in
the
working
group.
E
I
looked
at
various
different
call
types
such
as
child
abuse
under
the
division
of
community
solutions,
and
initially
I
was
just
wondering
you
know.
That
seems
as
something
of
such
severe
nature
that
I
would
wonder,
like
you
know
why
the
division
of
community
solutions
would
be
a
proper
response.
But
after
having
the
definitions
given
to
me
in
a
more,
I
guess,
explicit
manner,
I
was
able
to
see
that
you
know
what
I
initially
thought
wasn't
actually
the
case,
for
example,
for
the
child
abuse
case.
It's
more.
E
So
responding
to
you
know
not
having
children
not
having
heat
in
the
winter,
which
is
not
exactly
what
I
thought
and
then
intoxication
me
wondering
why
the
division
of
police
would
be
called
and
just
seeing
how
that
could
lead
to.
I
guess
escalated
in
instances
that
could
require
more
of
a
just
want
to
emphasize
that,
although
it
was
more
so
working
group
members
sort
of
evaluating
and
then
having
open
dialogue,
we
did
have
experts
in
attendance,
that
being
michael
steinle
being
the
director
of
the
department
of
emergency
response.
E
Who
was
willing
to
answer
any
questions
that
I
had
as
a
college
student
that
didn't
really
know
all
of
this.
I'm
I'm
not
really
up
to
date
with
what
was
going
on
in
some
capacities,
but
they
were
willing
to
break
it
down.
I
feel
that
every
member
on
the
working
group
wasn't
just
making
a
haste
decision.
You
know
we
really
thought
about
this.
You
could
really
see
that
within
the
pen
section.
E
I
feel
that
every
the
majority
of
individuals
in
the
call
there
were
so
many-
I
guess
nuances
to
each
call
type
that
we
didn't
want
to
make
a
fast
decision.
It
was
more
so
us
understanding
that
there
were
broad
hypotheticals
that
could
be
considered.
We
really
took
some
time
to
consider
those
things.
You
know
we're,
not
all
experts,
and
you
know
we
don't
know
everything,
but
we
put
that
in
that
being
the
co-response
model,
that
being
that,
it
depends,
because
we
knew
that
you
know
we
never
knew
what
could
happen.
E
I'm
just
re-emphasizing
that
this
co-response
model
between
the
division
of
police
and
the
video
the
division
of
community
solutions
should
be
considered
in
cases
that
may
require
both
such
as
trespassing.
You
know,
under
this
model,
a
police
officer
under
the
division
of
police
may
be
called
to.
You
know,
evaluate
the
scene.
E
You
look
at
cases
such
as
the
young
woman
that
was
sleeping
on
the
at
yale
university,
where
the
police
were
called
on
her
and
how
that
led
to
you
know
so
many
other
problems,
the
young
man
that
was
shot
in
the
parking
lot
of
wendy's,
just
those
being
welfare
checks
that
didn't
require
the
police.
You
know,
I
feel
that
that
would
be
very
important
in
this
capacity
and,
lastly,
just
emphasizing
that
this.
E
B
B
The
current
law
enforcement,
so
in
order
to
to
do
that,
to
for
both
the
armed
officers
and
the
unarmed
to
work
together
in
both
divisions
and
to
provide
10
hours
of
public
service
and
to
connect
with
different
local
agencies
and
if
they
have
more
knowledge
of
the
human
services
agencies
in
the
community
to
just
build
that
trust
and
design
it
in
such
a
way
that
the
community
feels
safe
and
feel
respected.
In
the
process.
B
To
look
at
the
number
of
outcome
of
like
vehicle
stops
and
look
at
numbers
and
outcomes
of
the
use
of
force
there
to
look
at
the
equipment
that
we
currently
have
to
be
able
to
to
disaggregate
by
race
and
other
demographics.
And
so
the
equipment
and
technology.
As
detailed
here
and
more
detail
in
the
report.
B
We
had
stated
that
we
learned
through
this
initiative
that
ithaca
police
department
currently
doesn't
have
has
has
limited
capacity
as
well
as
limited
use
of
the
data
that
they
have
to
really
investigate
and
and
look
at
the
data
to
be
able
to
critically
approach
public
safety.
So
therefore
we're
requesting
that
the
data
collection
be
investigated
fully.
We
in
the
report
you'll
see
an
appendix
from
a
company
that
center
for
police
and
equity
had
connected
us
to
to
look
at
data
and
analyze
it
so
that
we
can
analyze
the
demographics
and
analyze.
B
Where
do
we
have
our
police
department
go
into
which
areas
and
and
how
the
responses
are
made
so
to
standardize
data
entry
and
fill
in
the
gaps
of
any
existing
data
collection?
Since
there
was
little
data
collected,
so
the
department
of
community
safety
will
train
they'll,
be
training
with
the
division
of
police
and
the
division
of
community
safety
to
to
see
the
need
of
value
of
the
data
collection.
B
The
budget
that
was
presented
is
that
it
will
be
an
initial
budget
of
1.15
million,
and-
and
this
is
in
addition,
the
current
ithaca
police
department
budget
is
12.8
million
and
the
city
of
ithaca's
budget
is
84
million.
So
the
budget
for
this
recommendation
that
we're
stating
is
1.15
million
and
we
had
provided
an
outline
for
the
budget
and
to
for
the
hiring
of
the
five
responders
initially,
and
knowing
that
this
is
going
to
go
over
a
budget
cycle.
B
D
D
D
The
common
council
will
be
taking
a
vote
on
the
report,
whether
to
adopt
accept
the
report
on
the
resolutions
that
will
be
developed
and
the
local
law
that
will
be
developed
as
we
move
through
this
process.
I'm
hesitating
a
little
bit
because
I
can't
anticipate
exactly
what
the
comments
and
the
questions
and
the
views
of
all
members
of
common
council
are.
As
I
said
in
march,
there
was
the
presentation,
but
it's
this
coming
wednesday
that
will
actually
dive
into
the
report
itself.
D
There
have
been,
as
I
said,
a
number
of
town
halls
opportunities
for
marginalized
groups
to
ask
questions
and
get
more
information.
We
want
people
who
may
not
have
felt
safe
or
comfortable
in
raising
questions,
raising
concerns
to
be
able
to
and
have
opportunity
to
do
so.
Throughout
this
process,
the
plans
moving
forward
will
continue
to
move
forward,
as
the
city
considers.
F
F
So
some
of
them
of
the
joint
plans
to
speak
of
are
to
evaluate,
implement
an
alternative
response
model
we'll
also
be
doing
some
data
collection
and
analyzing,
a
community
healing
plan
which
a
lot
of
people
we
are
on
going
on
our
third
session.
It's
been
really
really
really
super
informative,
simultaneously
we're
working
with
law
enforcement
to
begin
their
healing
sessions
with
outside
facilitators.
We
have
angel
dr
angel
acosta
and
dr
latrice
harrison,
who
are
handling
the
community
healing
plan
and
that's
for
the
black
and
browns
you
know
of
our
community.
F
The
next
one
is
on
the
23rd
of
april
from
10
30
to
12..
I
can
link
in
the
chat
a
link
to
that.
If
anyone
is
interested
in
attending
it
is
a
zoom
invite,
like
I
said,
law
enforcement
will
be
starting
some
work
with
dr
lorenzo
boyd
to
work
on
that.
The
goal
of
that
plan
is
to
have
the
community
and
law
enforcement
come
together.
So
this
community
justice
center
and
lead
will
be
doing
some
collaboration
on
how
to
do
some
community
engagement.
F
A
couple
of
the
other
programs
that
we're
working
on
or
plans,
I
should
say,
is
the
roll
out
of
an
office
or
wellness
program.
Also,
the
pilot
program
at
the
sheriff
station
is
another
one.
That's
listed
under
a
county
specific
plan,
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
different
plans
that
are
going
out,
but
this
is
what
we're
at,
but
I
wanted
people
to
keep
in
mind
that
it's
not
just
a
city
plan,
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
going
to
continue
to
be
implemented.
A
Yes,
thank
you
all
so
much.
There's,
there's
so
much
information
to
process.
Indeed,
and
I'm
excited
we
have
some
folks
here,
who've
been
processing
for
some
time,
so
I
wanted
to
to
to
open
it
up
to
folks
to
just
kind
of
breathe.
Are
there
some
immediate
reactions
to
what
has
been
presented
thus
far.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
dr
nia.
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
for
all
your
hard
work.
Your
work,
the
working
group.
This
is
not.
This
is
a
very
daunting
task
to
be
undertaken,
and
I
know
that
it
has
a
lot
of
careful
consideration,
but
I
saw
your
chart
your
your
chart
with
the
divisions
of
duties
between
the
police
officer
and
the
patrol
office.
So
but
who
gets
the
final
say?
B
And
then
just
said,
and
it
looks
daunting
indeed,
there
are
about
60
odd
call
types
that
we
had
to
go
through
this
exercise
and,
as
marquan
had
stated,
we
couldn't.
We
couldn't
have
done
it
without
michael
steinle
at
the
department
of
emergency
response,
because
it
wasn't
looking
at
hypothetical.
But
what
happens
here
in
ithaca,
because
at
times
we
may
hear
about
a
call
type
and
we
had
to
bring
the
group
back
to
saying
what
happens
here
in
ithaca
and
michael
steinle
was
able
to
direct
that
on
our
working
group.
B
We
had
three
police
officers
as
well
as
three
common
council
members
and
additional
community
members
in
total
of
16
individuals,
and
although
there
were
some
hypotheticals
out
there,
it
was
always
brought
back
because-
and
this
is
where
the
it
depends,
which
is
the
co-response
is,
is
when
we
we
weren't
certain.
Well,
what
to
do.
Do
we
really
provide
a
armed
response
or
an
unarmed
and
so
a
co-response
or
an
alternative
response?
During
the
in
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
the
police
department
was
already
using
an
alternative
response
for
like
a
telephonic
response.
B
In
case
someone
called
in
about
a
bike
theft,
they
were
able
to
handle
that
so
michael
steinle
at
the
department
of
emergency
response,
usually
has
a
roundtable
meeting
with
like
fire
department,
ems
and,
and
he
wants
ipd
or
this
new,
the
department
of
community
safety
to
be
brought
to
the
table
to
go
through
and
evaluate
the
responses.
How
did
they
respond
over
the
past
month
on
different
call
types?
Do
we
need
to
break
it
down
even
further
and
provide
additional
call
types.
G
G
So
that's
many
many
moons
ago
when
I
was
teaching
it
was
an
excellent
program.
So
where
does
that
fall
in
that
in
terms
of
of
offices
going
into
having
a
partnership
or
having
some
connection
with
the
schools
and
talking
about
their
role
and
making?
This
is
the
trust
level
right.
Is
there
a
plan
to
include
the
schools
and
to
work
with
the
schools.
B
A
No,
that's
great
miss
maynard.
Thank
you
for
your
questions.
I'm
especially
glad
that
you
asked
about
the
school
you
know
and
you
bringing
that
up.
I
have
my
very
immediate
personal
reaction
in
response
to
that
which
is
like.
Why
are
these
individuals
coming
in
these
schools
with
guns
anyway?
But
that's
that's!
That's
you
know.
That's
been
my
reaction
to
their
presence
in
the
school
setting
period.
I
I
guess
I'll
just
throw
some
thoughts
in
real,
quick
and
then
hopefully,
some
other
folks
will
jump
in
with
with
questions
or
just
even
reactions.
A
The
idea
that
you
know
it's
like
someone's
just
going
to
have
a
clipboard
and
a
flashlight
right.
I
saw
some
resistance
in
clipboard
and
flashlight
and
what
I
hear
through
that
is
a
resistance
to
reading
and
a
resistance
to
seeing
at
like
explicitly,
and
so
I'm
hearing
a
resistance
to
a
humanizing
pedagogy
around
connecting
with
folks.
So
I
don't
know
folks
ever
are
having
a
reaction
to
that
too.
But
it's
like
you,
yeah
I'll,
stop
there
and
get
a
sense
for
what
are
you?
What
are
you
all
doing
with
this?
H
I
thank
you,
dr
nia.
I
really
appreciate
hearing
that
I
have
been
feeling
similarly
in
hearing
similar
reactions
to
the
tune
of
you
know.
If
we
take,
you
know,
police
or
change
anything
about
policing
in
our
area,
crime
is
going
to
be
up
and,
as
you
can
see,
crime
is
up
in
our
area
and
really
doing
the
research.
Many
folks
really
uncovering
the
fact
that
crying
the
levels
of
crime
has
not
really
shifted
at
all.
With
regard
to
policing
in
these
shifts
that
are
that
are
occurring.
H
Might
I
put
a
question
in
the
chat?
I
don't
know
I'm
getting
stopped
last.
You
know
I've
experienced
driving
while
black
many
times
in
my
life,
both
in
new
york
state
and
in
california,
michigan
where
I
came
from,
but
I
have
been
noticing
a
lesser
degree
of
of
police
on
city
streets.
Is
that
something
that's
actually
happening?
Is
that
my
imagination
is
there?
Is
there
a
current
plan
in
place?
That's
beginning
to
roll
out
to
decrease
the
number
I
mean
when
I
moved
here.
H
It
really
was
like
it's
ithaca,
a
police
state.
It
was
like
so
many
cops
on
the
street
at
all
times,
so
anyway,
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
intel,
I'm
sorry.
I
was
a
few
minutes
late
earlier,
so
we
might
have
covered
this
question
already,
but
anything
that
anybody
can
share
around
current
police
levels
and
if
there's
a
way
to
ensure
that
we
can
actually
live
in
a
a
society
where
it's
not
constant
policing,
especially
as
it
affects
flat
community.
G
D
D
Are
residents
many
residents
who
have
expressed
that
the
need
the
desire
to
have
armed
police
officers,
however,
for
all
police
officers
to
be
well
trained
in
de-escalation
to
be
trained
on
many
fronts
that
will
make
it
the
department
one
where
all
members
of
the
community
will
feel
safe
in
reaching
out.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
that
fully
addresses
your
your
question.
At
the
moment
there
are
64
funded
positions
in
the
police
department.
D
That
is
not
to
say,
there
are
64
officers
working
in
the
field
at
all
times
because
of
health
leaves
personal
leaves
military
leaves.
The
actual
number
of
officers
who
are
actually
in
the
field
is
closer
to
about
25,
possibly
30
shelly
can
check
me
on
those
numbers,
but
there
have
been
some
recent
hires
in
the
police
department.
D
So
there
are
three
new
officers
in
the
department.
We
don't
right
now
know
how
to
anticipate
the
the
need
for
the
community
responders.
We
are
starting
with
a
group
of
five
community
responders
and
we
may
very
well
see
the
need
to
adjust
that
number
as
we
go
forward
and
can
gather
more
information
once
that
program
is
fully
implemented.
H
D
Here
I
will
turn
to
to
shelly.
I
don't
believe
there
has
been
a
significant
decrease
that
there
has
been
some
increase
through
retirements,
but
it
is
not
the
case
that
we
are
losing
police
officers
as
a
result
of
this
reimagining
process.
I
have
heard
that
question
from
an
individual
more
than
one
individuals,
but
that
is
not
proving
to
be
the
case
we
will
have
by
the
new
year
five
new
officers
in
the
department.
J
Yeah
in
terms
of
previous
years,
it's
it's
typical
that
we
we've
been
running
about
five
on
average
five
vacancies
for
the
last
several
years.
So
as
we're
constantly
filling
positions,
you
know
people
are
retiring
or
are
leaving
the
apartment,
so
we've
held
kind
of
steady
at
the
the
five
vacancy,
but
in
terms
of
the
overall
numbers
you
know
60.
J
K
People
are
leaving
due
to
the
reimagining
public
safety,
and
then
some
of
the
statements
that
acting
chief
jolie
is
saying
on.
These
interviews
is
really
concerning,
seeing
how
we
have
come
to
this
point
that
we're
trying
to
reimagine
it.
What
we're
doing
the
hard
work
that's
going
into
it
and
we're
not
going
to
get
anywhere
when
you
have
people
that
are
in
position
and
power
that
are
clearly
not
telling
the
truth,
because
they're,
you
know
saying
that
they
weren't
involved
in
this.
It's
kind
of
disheartening.
K
To
say
that
I
mean
I
don't
know
who
he
has
to
answer
to,
but
I
think
something
needs
to
be
said
and
it
something
harsh
needs
to
be
said
because
he's
not
helping
the
cause
at
all
and
to
be
setting
as
the
acting
chief
and
spreading
these
fallacies.
I
mean
we
had
you
know
there.
Tom
was
there
scott.
Was
there
mary?
K
Was
there
those
that's
three
officers
and
if
I'm
not
mistaken
in
the
eight
or
nine
months
or,
however
long
it
took
us
to
do
this,
I
think
I
missed
two
meetings
and
I
I'm
pretty
sure
I
saw
him
on
one.
So
it
wasn't
that
he
wasn't
aware,
but
to
just
put
that
type
of
information
out
as
if
the
police
department
did
not
know
it
does
not
help
the
cause
at
all.
K
So
it
makes
it
look
like
we're
trying
to
come
in
the
back
door
and
do
something
that
we
shouldn't
be
doing
so
now
now
now
that
this
is
going
on,
it
just
takes
away
from
the
hard
work
that
everyone
has
put
into
this.
It
doesn't
take
away
the
progress
that
has
happened,
but
certainly,
I
think
something
needs
to
be
set
up
to
the
point
where,
when
these
things
are
put
out
there
that
they
need
to
be
addressed
and
addressed
kind
of
quickly
because
he's
this
is
not
one
time
that
he
has
done
this.
K
This
is
twice
or
more
that
I
know
of
that
he's
saying
these
things
and
it's
not
good
for
the
progress
and
it's
certainly
a
slap
in
the
face
to
everyone
who
have
volunteered
their
time
over
the
last
eight
nine
months
and
put
their
hard
work
in
to
this
thing.
For
him
to
say
that
the
police
department
was
not
involved
and
if
he
looks
at
it
part
of
the
budget
is
to
get
some
stuff.
That's
actually
going
to
help
the
police
department.
So
it's
not
defunding
the
police.
B
But
here's
an
here's,
a
way
of
remembering
that
executive
order
203
to
ensure
that
marginalized
vulnerable
communities,
the
lgbt
communities
that
we
are
safe
every
one
of
us
and
and
this
whole
recommendation
is
looking
at
the
systems
and
changing
the
system.
Some
of
the
staff
in
the
training
is
talking
about
accountability,
more
accountability
for
the
police
department
and
and
more
training
too,
and
ensuring
that
the
training
is
evident
and
transparency
and
remembering
that
every
system
is
what's
the
same,
every
system
is
perfectly
designed
to
get
the
results.
B
A
I
remember
years
ago
you
all
remember
when
david
billings
came
to
ithaca-
and
I
remember
there
were
there-
were
a
few
officers
and
and
and
some
of
the
fire
department
that
was
there,
and
I
remember
the
shock
to
the
system
and
the
different.
You
know
the
different
spaces
that
folks
were
in
some
of
the
resistance,
but
some
of
the
embracing
and
then
more
recently
I
think
they
had
they
were
or
there
was
an
attempt
to
have
more
of
like
a
wellness
approach
to
the
work
and
there
was
resistance
there
too.
A
C
A
number
of
people
have
been
engaged
in
this
process
have
used.
Their
community
connections
have
talked
to
as
wide
of
a
commun
swath
of
our
community
as
I've
seen.
Something
has
to
be
done.
That's
different
than
what
we're
doing
the
details
are
going
to
take
us
some
time
to
figure
out
no
matter
what
we
do,
but
we
cannot
let
next
common
council
meeting
happen
and
not
make
some
step
towards
systemic
change.
L
L
L
L
E
Yeah,
so
that's
that's
a
very
good
question
that
even
I
thought
would
warn
like
armed
police
in
every
situation,
but
I
wouldn't
say
that
that
was
more
so,
like
a
police
call,
I
feel
that
more
so
working
group
members
were
cognizant
of
things
that
would
warrant
would
even
want
police
interaction.
I
feel
that,
like
myself,
I
was
always
considered
of
what
the
the
police
that
were
fortunate
enough
to
give
us
their
perspectives
in
this
process.
E
What
they
were
feeling
I
wouldn't
say
that
they
had
they
didn't
influence
us
in
any
way
is
what
I'm
saying.
I
feel
that
the
the
people
who
are
facilitating
this
gave
equal
opportunities
for
everyone
to
speak,
and
I
knew
that
not
every
domestic
engagement
would
require
the
police
officers,
given
that
it
wouldn't
always
lead,
and
I
guess
violent
interactions,
so
that
was
more
so
my
thoughts,
but
to
simply
answer
your
question,
I
wouldn't
say
there
was
please
don't.
B
So
he
went
through
and
said,
and
he
clarified
to
us.
There
were
certain
calls
that
this
might
be
a
different
number.
The
response
might
be
a
different
number
nationally
than
it
is
in
ithaca,
so
there
were
certain
instances
why
it's
in
the
it
depends,
because
it
was
a
tied
vote
among
the
community
among
the
working
group
members.
B
Do
you
really
send
someone
armed
at
a
call
like
that?
Or
do
you
send
a
crew
response?
The
co-response
is
like
the
it
depends.
You
send
both
an
armed
and
an
unarmed
and
dependent
on
the
situation.
Then
it
could
go
to
the
next
stage.
So
that's
why
the
it
depends
category
we're
leaving
it
to
the
commissioner
to
go
through
the
evaluating
the
data.
Looking
working
with
the
division
of
police,
as
well
as
the
department
of
emergency
response
to
just
see
how
the
calls
are
activated
once
they're
dispatched.
L
L
So
we
have
police
officers
who
go
to
the
new
york
state
training
academy
right.
Is
that
how
it
works?
They
go
to
the
new
york
state
training
academy,
but
there's
no
the
training
that
we
are
the
training
that
is
being
suggested
to
the
officers
they're
going
to
get
it
once
they
get
to
the
department
or
they're
already
in
they,
the
ones
that
are
already
in
the
department.
L
D
D
As
we
look
at
the
commissioner
having
opportunity
to
set
the
culture
of
a
department,
I
think
that
is
going
to
be
really
critical
and,
as
we
look
at
the
field
training
that
officers
are
required
to
do
after
completion
of
the
six-month
academy
that
field
training
is
also
going
to
be
critical
and
will
be
influenced
heavily
by
the
culture
that
is
established
by
the
commissioner.
So
I
I
think
your
question
is
a
very
good
one.
Training
is
essential.
What
constitutes
the
training
is
essential
and
ongoing.
D
A
D
A
Thank
you
davi
for
your
question
for
sure.
Before
I
pass
the
mic
on
to
mama
phoebe,
I
actually
have
a
ques
quick
question.
So
when
will
a
decision
be
made
about
the
official
chief
or
the
person
that
will
be
in
overseeing
the
or
seeing
over
how
about?
We
switch
that
sorry,
the
the
police
department
who
makes
that
decision?
So
currently
it's
jolie
right,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
or
many
or
most
of
us
know
on
the
screen,
we
already
know
his
opinion
about
us.
A
D
Well,
I'll
I'll
jump
in
currently
we
have
an
acting
chief.
We
have
been
in
discussions
about
the
process
for
identifying
for
recruiting
getting
applications
for
a
permanent
chief,
and
I
wasn't
sure
yeah.
If
you
were
asking
about
the
chief,
that
that
is
a
process
that
we
will
be
embarking
on
in
the
relative
near
future.
We
are
not
waiting
until
the
whole
new
departmental
structure
is
approved
that
departmental
structure.
That
includes
the
recommendation
of
a
commissioner.
D
J
Can
I
just
go
back
to
davi's
question
about
the
culture?
I
I
think
it's
important
and
that's
it's
an
excellent
question.
Davi,
and
there
are
many
pieces
to
this
too.
In
terms
of
you
know,
when
we
look
at
some
of
the
plans,
one
of
our
plans
is
about
is
about
creating
an
inclusive
sort
of
recruitment.
J
And
but
you
know,
if
you
have
and
that's
why
we
you
know,
thought
it
was
so
important.
It
is
important
to
change
the
structure,
because
if
you
don't
change
the
structure,
you
just
continue
to
perpetuate
the
existing
outcomes.
Organizations
are
designed
to
get
the
results
that
they
get.
So
if
you
want
to
change
it,
you
have
to
change
the
design.
L
A
M
I
wish
it
starts
when
they're
in
their
training
to
become
officers,
so
that
you
know
just
listening
to
mayor
lewis.
It
sounds
as
if
we
have
we're
boarding
more
and,
and
why
are
we
doing
that,
as
we
reimagine
is
one
one
question
another
question
for
me
is:
how
are
how
is
this
reimagining
going
to
support
grassroot
organizations
that
are
already
protecting
a
community?
That's
already
looking
out
for
their
community
in
there?
I
see
nothing
about
organizations
that
are
already
doing
this
kind
of
work
right.
D
B
And
I
was
reading
an
article
recently
phoebe
about
a
an
area
in
nebraska
that
the
police
chief
intentionally
hired
more
women
more
women,
because
he
knew
that
the
approach
would
be
different
and
how
they
were
doing
law
enforcement.
So
that's
why,
in
our
recommendation,
we're
saying
a
commissioner
that
the
commissioner
would
be
would
be
hopefully
from
a
diverse
background
that
and
if
the
commissioner
comes
into
play
with
that
intentionality
to
change
and
make
the
changes
according
to
what
the
recommendations
are,
that
we
would
see
a
difference.
N
N
N
N
N
B
Or
tommy,
thank
you
with
the
division
of
community
solutions.
It
could
also
be
looked
at
as
proactive
and
instead
of
being
reactive
like
how
do
we
proactively
solve
and
interact,
solve
crimes
and
build
relationships,
and,
and
but
the
division
of
community
solutions
are
the
the
group
that
will
have
the
community
responders.
N
Thank
you
karen,
and
I
appreciate
that
perspective.
However,
if
I'm
operating
on
the
premise
that
you
already
are
dysfunctional,
I
can
embrace
the
notion
that
I
need
to
come
in
and
save
you.
If
you
will
I'll
fix
you
and
to
me,
that's
part
of
the
challenge.
I
think
we
need
to
embrace
each
other
humanity
and
if
the,
if
we're
reimagining
the
community
offices,
whether
they're
on
the
night,
is
part
of
the
community
so
we're
in
it
together.
H
Yeah
really
quick.
I
wanted
to
follow
up.
I
love
that
that
we're
talking
about
culture
shift
and,
I
think
training's
part
of
it,
but
I
do
think
that,
like
the
I
think
about
what
my
mother's
work
was
in
michigan
and
how
she
was
in
charge
of
testing
and
tommy
just
hit
on
the
psychosocial,
you
know
measurements
that
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
shift
around
how
we
are
testing
and
discarding
any
bad
apples
that
might
be
applying
or
being
recruited.
H
So
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
shift
around
testing
and
having
more
rigorous
testing
to
to
weed
out
folks
who
are
dangerous
and
and
also
adding
to
that,
the
idea
of
culture
shift
and
maybe
linking
some
of
the
protests
that
our
community
has
seen
really
putting
pressure
on
police
departments
in
this
way.
Reimagining
defunding,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
the
black
lives
matter.
Protest
potentially
shifting
culture
already
by
letting
folks
know
that
that
will
not
be
tolerating
this
behavior
any
longer.
J
So
christo
we
we
currently
do
have
psychological
evaluation
for
all
of
our
candidates,
our
recruits,
although
we
will
be
reevaluating
what
we
do
currently
utilize
and
looking
at
other
best
practices.
But
we
do
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
intense
process.
There's
the
psychological
evaluation,
there's
a
required
medical
evaluation.
There's
also
a
background
check
as
well
as
a
polygraph.
B
Well,
that's
not
something
that
was
discussed
within
the
working
group
about
the
residency,
but
we
did
specify
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
a
diverse
pool
of
applicants
as
well
as
a
diverse
from
a
diverse
background
and
knowing
that
we
may
have
to
extend
beyond
here
ithaca
to
do
that.
But
that's
something
that
might
shelly
might
be
able
to
respond.
If
there's
a
requirement
for
the
position
details,
I'm
not
sure.
J
B
J
J
If
an
exam
is
given,
the
mayor
can
call
for
a
city
list,
and
that
means
that
you
could
put
you
could
you
could
have
preference
for
city
residents
and
you
would
create
a
list
that
only
included
city
residents
and
but
you
would
have
to
exhaust
that
list
before
you
could
go
to
the
larger
list
and
the
requirement
for
those
city
residents
would
be
that
they
would
have
to
live
within
the
city
for
three
years
and
and
then
they
would.
They
could
live
somewhere
else.
A
L
I
taught
policing
101
there
in
criminal
justice
there
and
when
I
think
about
those
students
and
when
I
ask
the
question
of
why
they
want
to
become
police
officers.
Some
of
them
are,
you
know
it's
varying
responses.
They
want
to
help
people
it's
a
generational
thing.
You
know
my
dad
and
my
grandfather
were
police
officers.
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
was
any
discussion
around
maybe
having
some
connection
to
what
the
students
are
being
taught,
who
want
to
be
police
officers.
A
J
J
A
That's
a
very
good
question,
so
I
have
a
question
about
the
relationship
between
the
two
leaders,
the
the
leadership
roles.
Right,
I
forgive
me
I
forget
the
exact
titles,
but
but
the
current
chief
of
the
police
and
then
chief
of
the
community
solutions
or
interruption,
and
just
I'm
just
thinking
about
the
dynamics
of
that
relationship
between
the
two
of
them
and
their
roles,
and
maybe
I'm
just
on
my
soapbox
about
some
of
the
resistance
right,
because
in
some
of
the
resistance,
it's
emphasized
that
there
will
be
a
divide
right
like
that.
A
Some
have
decided
that
they're,
like
it'll,
be
those
are
two
different
camps.
And
so
I
just
wonder
what
what
you've
imagined
in
terms
of
the
relationship
between
those
two
leaders
and
how
they'll
operate
together,
how
they'll
utilize
the
data,
the
significant
data-
and
you
know
accountable
measures
that
are
are
put
in
place,
because
I'm
just
thinking
with
that
information
that
gives
us
that
gives
the
whole
community
information
about
what
you
know
what's
happening.
A
What
are
some
of
the
the
the
significant
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed
on
on
a
community
level
or
through
a
variety
of
resources?
Even
outside
of
policing,
so
how
I
know
I'm
going
to
the
left
a
little
bit,
but
just
to
get
back
to
that
question
around
that
leadership
relationship
between
those
two
individuals.
What's
what's
the
conversation
about
how
they
will
operate.
B
So
the
there's
a
division
of
police
and
the
division
of
community
solutions
right,
so
the
director
of
police,
as
slash
chief
of
police
and
and
then
the
director
of
community
solutions
and
knowing
that
they're
both
reporting
to
the
commissioner
of
the
department
of
public
of
community
safety,
one
would
hope
they
would
both
come
with
a
mindset.
That's
what
we're
looking
for
a
change,
a
mindset
that
this
is
under
the
commissioner.
B
This
is
a
whole
culture
shift
that
they're
working
for
the
public,
they're
public
servants
and
their
services,
the
public
to
ensure
safety
for
all.
We
have
to
take
out
the
equation,
whatever
the
current
is
and
knowing
that
under
the
commissioner
and
knowing
that
there's
going
to
be
a
posting
of
the
chief
of
police
position
in
the
future,
but
under
the
commissioner,
the
commissioner
is
going
to
set
the
temperature
for
this
department
and
that
person
will
be
able.
B
You
can't
mandate,
culture
change,
but
you
could
start
with
the
systems
and
putting
it
in
place
and
and
ensuring,
as
we
talked
about
the
training
and
one
of
the
training,
when
crystal
was
asking
about
questions
about
training.
One
of
the
training
that
is
there
is
like
brain
development
is
one
of
the
suggested,
trait
and
implicit
bias,
critical
thinking
and
all
so.
B
We
would
hope
that
we're
hopeful
that
that
mindset
will
changes
and
and
the
transparency
that
we
should
be
receiving
as
a
community
as
to
how
the
department
is
progressing
and
knowing
that
this
is
as
stated.
This
is
one
of
the
city's
recommendation,
but
there's
a
joint
recommendation
that
talks
about
the
training
that,
for
both
the
county
and
the
and
the
city.
N
As
she
go,
calling
me
miss
again,
okay,
I
know
it's
respect.
Thank
you
sister.
I
want
to
remind
people
that
once
upon
a
time
well,
first
of
all
whoever
mentioned
david
bill
and
thank
you.
I
walk
down
memory
lane
with
that.
So
thank
you,
dr
neal,
mayor
lewis,
and
everybody
else
once
upon
a
time
sound
like
I'm
getting
to
tell
a
story
right
at
the
department
of
social
services,
there
was
a
police
officer,
but
don't
stop
and
he
blended
into
the
population.
N
It
was
a
little
african-american
little
girl
who
was
looking
up
at
an
officer
who
appeared
to
be
angry.
Saxon
and
I've
been
thinking.
This
was
reimagining,
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
our
young
children,
regardless
of
the
color,
would
look
up
regardless
of
the
pigmentation
of
the
officer
with
admiration
and
say
I
want
to
be
like
this
as
opposed
to.
I
need
to
be
careful,
so
I
don't
get
shot
if
I'm
assertive
and
it's
misinterpreted
based
on
training
and
fear.
So
I
was
just
walking
down
memory
lane.
I
want
to
share
that
with
you.
Beautiful
people.
A
Other
thoughts,
reactions
or
questions
that
folks
may
have,
or
even
just
just
comments,
we're
at
6
24.
It's
this
glorious
opportunity
to
just
to
be
together
to
breathe,
to
share
some
of
our
thoughts,
but,
but
also
the
purpose
of
this
is,
is
encouraging
others
to
to
think
to
breathe
and
share
their
thoughts
and
questions
as
well,
because
there
are
other
avenues
but
amos
go
ahead
and
take
the
mic.
K
Yes,
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
mean
I
forgot
to
say
something
before
about
it.
I
just
wanted
to
take
my
hat
off
to
mona
for
the
community
healing
sessions
that
she
has
been
doing.
They
have
been
great
if
you
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
join,
make
sure
you
do
do
not
miss
it.
I've
learned
quite
a
bit
and
I've
learned
how
to
breathe
and
to
know
that
it's
okay
and
to
really
realize
that,
for
this
thing
to
really
take
off,
we
you
have
to
heal.
K
K
Everyone
really,
you
know
just
see,
see
us
coming
together
to
let
people
know
hey,
we
are
together
and,
and
these
sessions
are
beautiful
because
a
lot
of
times
this
is
what
we
need
to
come
together
amongst
each
other
to
figure
out.
What's
going
on
with
us,
try
to
get
it
squared
away
before
we
go
out
in
public
and
and
and
come
and
show
up
as
a
force.
A
F
Hyperlink
is
giving
me
a
little
bit
of
trouble,
but
it's
april
23rd
from
10
30
a.m
to
noon,
it's
a
pretty
powerful
tool
and
you
know
we're
learning
a
lot
about
other
people's
experiences
and
what
we
need
to
bring
to
the
table
when
we
go
and
meet
with
law
enforcement.
So
I
will
get
it
out
to
you.
I
promise
I'm
computer's
acting
up
right
now,.
A
H
Taylor,
tate,
I
think
our
most
recent
transplant
to
ithaca
so
one
and
one
welcome
back,
and
I
just
had
a
quick
question.
Taylor
had
some
amazing
observations,
but
I
think
those
will
roll
out
in
time
whenever
we
get
together
again.
But
I
had
a
quick
question.
I
think
tagging
along
to
what
amos
just
shared
will.
These
conversations
continue
as
new
hires
are
being
made,
as
we
potentially
begin
to
be
in
relationship
with
existing
police
officers
and
new
police
officers.
H
I
believe
strongly
that,
as
black
people
to
know
us
is
to
love
us-
and
I
think
systemic
racism
has
done
a
disservice
to
white
communities
and
being
segregated
from
us
is
impactful
to
police
departments,
because
you
have
people
who
have
no
frame
of
reference
and
no
familiarity
or
comfort
with
us,
and
that
contributes
to
the
lack
of
ability
in
policing.
I
think
so.
Are
there
opportu?
D
D
D
D
N
Perhaps
this
is
already
occurring,
but
I
want
to
call
to
people
memory.
The
century
yesterday
was
the
church
and
the
barber
shops.
So
I
hope
if
we
haven't
captured
that
voice,
we
bring
them
to
the
table
as
well.
Okay-
and
I
want
to
testify
with
brother
amos
the
training
that
you
reference,
that
monitors
put
in
the
chat
has
been
incredible
and
it
just
reminds
me
what
some
of
us
social
justice
artists
already
know.
The
revolution
starts
within
us
before
we
can
go
out
and
engage
and
share
our
humanity
with
others.
A
You
know
and
thank
you
so
much
for
acknowledging
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
wanted
to
emphasize
in
in
closing.
Is
you
know
appreciating
this
space
appreciating
folks
who,
who
are
present
and
acknowledging
that
we
have
many
many
voices
not
present,
and
there
are
creative
ways
or
I
was
actually
talking
earlier
with
with
folks
about
brainstorming,
creative
ways
of
of
capturing
the
missing
voices
and
and
faces,
because
I
I
want
to
bring
it
back
to
dr
eversley
bradwell's,
just
emphasis
on
the
urgency,
the
urgency
of
this.
A
This
work,
the
urgency
of
of
a
need
for
a
significant
shift.
We
have
some
very
painful
realities
in
our
community
lost
tragedies,
and
I
I
mean
and
the
reason
why
I
get
so
excited
about
data,
not
because
I'm
an
obnoxious
researcher
well.
That
too,
however,
is
just
thinking
about
like
what
we,
what
we
do
with
it
and
the
power
of
even
confronting
our
realities,
some
of
the
realities
around
addiction,
overdoses
in
ithaca
to
a
murder
circumstances
around
around
housing
employment.
A
All
of
that
it
seems
very
much
relevant
to
how
we're
where
we're
functioning
as
a
community
and
even
the
response.
The
response
to
to
what's
happening
so
I'm
grateful,
I'm
grateful
that
folks
allocated
time
in
their
thursday
to
come
together
and
the
folks
that
are
viewing
it
that
are
witnessing
it
live
right
now,
thank
you
and
folks
that
will
be
watching
it
later
on.
We.
We
truly
appreciate
you
zapping
into
to
to
this
conversation
and
yeah.
I
I
mean
we
have.
A
We
still
have
some
more
time
if
folks
want
to
continue
to
breathe
or
if
there
are
additional
questions.
We
have
a
lot
a
lot
of
folks
on
the
screen
and
again
no
pressure.
I'm
happy
that
you
all
came
to
it's
wonderful,
to
see
some
of
your
names
and
your
faces
thanks
for
being
here,
but
just
yeah.
I
think
I'll
honor
some
wait
time
and
give
people
an
opportunity
to
breathe,
and
if
you
want
to
dive
in
with
with
an
additional
comment
or
a
question.
J
A
K
J
The
the
only
thing
I
would
say
just
briefly,
is
that
you
know
this
for
the
size
of
ithaca.
I
mean
we're
at
a
size
where
we
can
real.
We
can
get
this
right
and
we
can.
We
can
have
the
changes
that
we
need
so
that
this
is
a
community
where
all
individuals
you
know
can
excel
can
maximize
their
potential.
J
J
J
A
A
You
said
the
or
tommy
miller
mr
tommy
miller
earlier
was
talking
about
you
know
young
people
and
their
aspirations,
like
just
thinking
about
this
person
or
the
people
that
are
in
charge
and
the
opportunity
to
be
leading
an
explicit
community
initiative
like
that's,
that's
a
role
to
aspire
to
as
we
unpack
and
provide
the
visual
of
what
that
could
look
like
in
the
transformative
contributions
of
that
particular
role.
So.
N
J
All
right
can
I
can.
I
just
mention
here
that
I
should
have
said
that
there
are
ways
in
which
you
can
voice
your
opinion.
There
are
other
ways
the
the
website,
which
is
public
safetyreimagine.org
and
if
my
good
colleague
friend
deanna,
could
pop
it
in
the
chat.
That
would
be
great.
But
if
you
go
to
that
website,
you
can
register
and
you
can
get
feedback
or
comments
on
anything
or
any
of
the
plans
on
any
any
anything.
That's
going
on.
J
You
can
also
find
all
the
information
about
what's
been
happening
with
reimagining
public
safety.
The
original
report,
this
report
is
there
the
the
plans
that
are
have
been
launched
will
be
there
they're.
The
frequently
asked
questions.
Are
there
two
that
you
can
review
and,
of
course
you
can
always
come
directly
come
directly
to
me.
You
can
come
directly
to
the
mayor.
You
can
come
directly
to
common
council.
B
I
A
Thank
you
for
saying
that
thank
you
for
saying
it
that
way
too
it
just.
It
makes
it
exciting
about
what's
possible
right
ithaca,
where,
if,
if
it's
getting
out
there,
like
that,
what
are
you
know
what's
the
possibility
of
the
ways
in
which
we
can
model
something
really
really
transformative
through
throughout
the
country?
K
Yes,
and
to
echo
what
karen
was
saying,
you
know,
we
can't
forget
that
the
journey
of
a
thousand
miles
begins
with
one
step,
and
we
have
took
quite
a
few
steps
forward
so
to
everyone
just
continue
to
be
encouraged,
don't
get
discouraged
anything
worth
having
is
worth
paying
for
it
and
we've
been
paying
a
long
time.
So
we
cannot
get
tired
and
not
give
up.
Now
so
and,
like
the
song
said,
we
shall
overcome
and
someday
is
starting
to
turn
into
today.
A
A
H
K
O
D
A
O
Wanda
well
hello,
there
in
this
project,
you're
doing
I've
been
on
a
journey
a
long
time,
I'm
I'm
a
fighter
for
justice
and
you
just
said
the
magic
word,
the
ark
of
justice
bends
forward
and
we
have
to
keep
moving
forward
when
it's
all
said
and
done,
we've
been
put
back
almost
50
years
from
where
we
came
from
in
1965
on
voter's
rights,
so
we
have
to
keep
fighting
keep
fighting
family
keep
fighting
friends,
keep
fighting
sisters
and
brothers
we're
gonna
get
there
one
day.
Thank
you.