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A
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
and
council.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
For
the
monday
february,
8th
council
briefing
sounds
like
we
may
have
council
member
jansen
joining
us
in
just
a
minute.
We
have
a
handful
of
items
to
go
over
with
you
tonight.
Two
of
them
are
updates
just
snapshots
or
records
in
time,
so
to
speak,
of
jfrd
and
short-term
vacation
rentals,
but
the
other
three
items
one
three
and
five.
A
B
All
right,
marion
council,
thank
you
for
letting
me
come
tonight
or
speak
tonight,
we're
kind
of
faced
with
a
little
different
scenario
than
what
we've
had
in
the
past.
B
We
have
a
a
trucking
brothers
trucking
that
won
a
bid
three
years
ago
to
be
able
to
do
our
trucking
for
a
three-year
contract
with
three
one-year
extensions
and
they
came
to
us
to
say
that
they
can't
afford
at
the
prices
we've
got
to
continue
with
the
extension
so
they're
trying
to
give
us
plenty
of
time
to
re-bid.
B
You
know
to
be
able
to
find
a
new
trucking
company,
so
in
the
process
of
that
conversation
that
let
us
down
the
the
path
of
of
trying
to
figure
out
some
biosolid
alternatives.
Okay,
so
we
right
now
we
currently
haul
biosolids
from
the
pvp
plant
to
the
landfill,
all
the
way
up,
301
and
i10.
So
it's
pretty
good
haul.
All
the
way
out
all
the
way
back.
We,
the
company,
brings
us
a
big
semi,
semi-full
semi-empty.
We
fill
it
up,
they
haul
it
out
and
bring
it
back.
B
We
do
that
approximately
160
times
a
year.
That
was
what
the
contract
was
bid
for
was
160.
this
year.
I
think
we've
only
done
123
as
in
2020,
so
we've
got
a
little
different
idea.
So
look
at
the
bids
from
last
time,
around
merrell
brothers
had
a
bid
of
500
per
truckload.
B
The
next
closest
bid
was
like
540
and
then
the
other
two
bids
were
in
the
800s,
so
we're
a
little
concerned
about
what
kind
of
bids
we're
going
to
get
when
we
go
out
to
bid
this
time
around
in
the
process
of
discussing
with
merrell
brothers,
because
we
they
have
been
the
best
trucking
firm
we've
ever
had.
We
started
talking
to
them
about.
B
You
know
what
what
alternatives
are
available
and
they
mentioned
this
alternative
of
biomass,
which
is
a
organic
composter
they're
just
outside
of
saint
augustine,
and
they
take
the
biosolids
and
they
mix
them
with
basically
brush
tree
chips.
Any
leaves
anything
you
can
do
that.
You
basically
recycle
that
direction.
They
mix
it
and
then
they
they
let
it
heat
up
for
14
days
into
a
into
a
steamy
pile
at
160
degrees.
B
B
So
what
we're
asking
for
today,
since
we
have
to
actually
re-bid
our
trucking,
the
the
facility
merrill
brothers,
approached
us
with
the
fact
that
it's
a
lot
less
of
a
drive
and
they
don't
have
the
one
to
two
hour,
wait
to
unload
at
the
landfill
or
like
they
do
with
landfill,
as
well
as
at
the
landfill.
B
You
are
actually
this
truck
to
a
very
high
altitude,
in
my
opinion,
on
top
of
packed
garbage,
which
creates
a
very
unstable
load,
as
this
load
releases
out
of
the
bed
of
the
truck
it
had
at
least
merrell
brothers
has
not
had
any
incidents,
but
there
was
two
incidents
last
year
where
trucks
tipped
over
in
the
landfill
because
of
of
the
of
their
process.
B
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
merrell's
wanting
out
is
because
of
the
risk
factor
of
a
truck
dumping
over
in
the
landfill
would
be
would
not
even
come
close
to
what
we're
paying
as
far
as
our
contract
disposal
rates,
so
that
so
that
got
to
thinking
us
about
this
biosolid
scenario
and
then
looking
at
the
fact
that
you
know
we're
trying
to
be
a
greener
city,
as
we
have
the
ability
to
be
able
to
make
greener
decisions.
B
So
what
I've
done
is
kind
of
put
together
a
an
idea
that
while
we
pay
nothing
at
the
landfill
for
disposal,
there
is
a
29
tipping
charge
per
ton
at
the
biomass
facility.
That
is
a
new
cost
that
we
would
in
and
have
and
then
also.
B
We
expect
that
our
trucking
cost
would
go
down
because
it's
significantly
closer
and
you're
you're,
taking
that
one
two
hour
wait
away
from
the
facility
driver
who
has
to
get
to
the
landfill
wait
in
line
for
his
turn
to
dump
and
then
proceed
to
dump
and
then
leave
so
some
preliminary
numbers
that
we
got
kind
of
as
a
as
a
pencil
sketch
from
merrell
brothers
as
they
expected
our
cost
to
go
down
roughly
seven
dollars
a
ton
for
delivery
cost.
B
B
The
potential
figures
we
threw
together
so
far
appears
that
to
a
100
percent
increase,
we
can
do
a
better,
greener
alternative
by
recycling.
This
so
we're
kind
of
lost.
We
don't
know
whether
we
should
just
bid
with
the
current
trucking
to
truck
it
out
to
the
landfill
with
zero
tipping
fees.
Or
do
we
look
at
trying
to
save
some
cost
in
the
trucking
end
of
it
and
then
know
that
we
have
an
additional
cost
in
the
tipping
end
of
it
when
it
gets
to
the
to
the
biomass
facility?
B
I
do
have
queued
up
a
couple
of
pictures
that
we
took
while
we
were
out
there
and
a
couple
of
pictures
that
they
sent
us
as
well.
I'm
gonna
share
those
real
quick.
It's
only
like
five
pictures,
so
hopefully
jacob
can
enable
me
to
share.
B
Okay,
still
not
coming,
so
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
share
those
pictures
anyway,
it
had
a
picture
of
the
truck
with
it
in
the
air
showing
how
big
these
trucks
are,
because
this
is
a
full-blown
semi
with
a
tip
bed
on
it.
So
you
can
imagine
a
53-foot
semi,
getting
way
up
in
the
air
to
be
able
to
to
actually
dump
these
materials,
and
so
the
idea
of
the
catastrophic
damage
that
would
occur
if
a
truck
tipped
over.
B
B
Of
course,
we
still
want
to
want
to
bid
these
to
make
sure
we
get
some
good
hard
numbers
before
we
made
a
true
decision,
we're
expecting
that
somewhere
around
160
would
be
able
to
truck
it
and
take
it
to
the
new,
greener
alternative
that
allows
them
to
do
it,
and
I
can
share
those
pictures
after
the
meeting
and
be
able
to
forward
it
to
to
mike
to
be
able
to
forward
out
to
the
council.
B
B
There
comes
at
a
cost
to
that,
and
so
you
know
that's
kind
of
the
direction
we're
looking
is
do
we
do.
We
need
to
continue
to
try
to
go
down
this
path,
or
do
we
just
need
to
take
the
cheapest
alternative
we
can
get,
even
if
that
means
just
continuing
to
landfill?
It.
A
And
I
see
council
member
dumont
has
her
hand
raised.
C
Yes,
oh
you
guys
can
hear
me
right:
okay,
yes,
microphones
over
there,
the
I
have
two
ques
well
one.
I
really
like
the
idea
of
being
more
green
and
environmentally
friendly
and
all
that,
even
at
a
higher
cost
within
reason,
my
concern
is:
if
we
stop
using
the
county
landfill,
does
that
negatively
impact
the
interlocal
agreement?
A
A
Yeah,
we'll
we'll
take
a
quick
look
at
it.
We'll
have
the
city
attorney
review
it,
but
I
don't
believe
that
will
hinder
us,
since
we
still
have
other
waste
streams
that
go
to
the
landfill
on
a
regular
basis,
all
of
our
solid
waste
collection
for
the
city
as
well
as
storm
debris
when
all
of
that's
collected,
that's
all
going
over
to
the
landfill.
So
I
do
not
think
it
will
be
a
problem
but
we'll
double
check.
C
D
I
would
just
suggest
at
least
getting
the
cost
of
the
the
trucking,
because
I
just
ran
some
quick
numbers
and
if
the
trucking
goes
up
to
that,
800
900
truckload
number,
it's
almost
a
wash
between
the
two.
You
know
whether
we
take
it
to
the
landfill
or
take
it
to
the
biomass
facility.
So
I
it's
hard
to
it's
hard
for
me
to
look
at
it
and
say
one's
better
than
the
other.
D
If
we
don't
necessarily
know
what
the
future
cost
is
going
to
be,
but
like
council
member
dumont
said
anything
that
we
can
do
to
go
green
in
the
future
is,
is
always
good,
but
you
know
we
do
have
to
look
at
it.
In
my
opinion,
from
a
cost
side
as
well,
if
the
cost
is
going
to
be,
I
mean
it's
right
now
double,
but
if
this
goes
up
to
eight
hundred
dollars
per
truckload,
it
comes
out
to
130
000,
roughly,
I
think
per
hauling
cost,
so
that's
almost
a
wash.
D
B
Well,
while
we
have,
we
have
actually
really
had
a
really
good
business
relationship
with
merrell
brothers.
Their
scenario
is
they
don't
want
to
haul
to
the
landfill?
Do
the
unstable
platform
of
being
able
to
unload
it?
Merrill
brothers
has
managed
to
to
all
of
their
contracts
where
they
were
hauling
to
the
landfill.
They
are
now
hauling
to
a
various
biomass
style
facilities
within
the
state.
We
are
their
last
contract
that
they
have
to
be
able
to
haul
it
landfill.
B
So
that's
why
they're
wanting
to
cut
away
from
going
to
the
landfill
they're
preliminary
numbers
like
we're,
showing
a
a
seven
dollar
cost
savings,
but
what
we
would
have
to
do
is
we'll
have
to
get
formalized
bids
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
want
to
bid
that?
F
I
mean
doing
the
more
green
sustainable
option
for
sure,
but
but
I
would
also
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
get
the
other.
The
other
estimates
as
well.
I
like
the
idea
of
us
doing
something,
that's
greener
and
more
sustainable
and
not
adding
to
the
landfill,
and
I
think
if
the
cost
difference
was
reasonable,
that
that
could
be
something
to
support.
G
I'm
on
the
same
page,
I
would
like
to
get
some
of
the
estimates
and
one
question
I
do
that
I
have.
If
we
were
to
do.
Let's
say
I
see
that
we
will
have
to
budget
160
000.
How
will
that
affect
some
of
the
taxpayers
at
the
beaches
or
there's
no
no
increase
in
any
of
the
of
the
other
charges
in
the
for
beaches?
Energy,
as
you
know,.
A
Right
now,
we've
spoken
with
the
finance
department
and
for
at
least
the
foreseeable
future.
The
water
sewer
fund
would
have
the
ability
to
absorb
the
cost.
It's
really
going
to
come
down
to
what
the
cost
looks
like
not
just
in
year
one,
but
in
future
years
going
forward.
There
is
an
automatic
escalator
built
into
the
water
and
sewer
fees.
I
believe,
there's
a
cpi
escalator
that
goes
into
effect
every
year.
So
as
long
as
the
future
years
don't
accelerate
too
quickly
in
cost,
we
may
be
okay
for
a
long
period
of
time.
G
H
Are
we
able
to
bid
it
as
an
alternative,
a
and
an
alternative
b
and
give
a
a
little
bit
of
a
bonus
to
the
the
green
like
a
one,
one
percent
or
two
percent
bonus
to
the
green
side?
Can
you
do
an
alternative
and
let
see
what
the
best
thing
comes
in.
B
Not
for
sure,
if
I
understand
the
the
bonus
scenario,
our
thoughts
would
be
to
actually
go
ahead.
Sorry,
our
thoughts
would
actually
be
to
bid
it
with
both
locations.
B
So
you
know
plan
you
know,
bid
a
would
be
from
here
to
the
landfill
or
from
pcp
to
the
landfill,
and
bid
b
would
be
from
pcp
to
the
the
biomass
facility
for
disposal
any
of
the
cut
trucking
firms
that
are
going
to
be
bidding
that
are
going
to
understand
that
they've
they
gained
the
you
know
the
ability
to
have
to
have
the
one
to
two
hour,
wait
time
at
the
landfill
to
be
able
to
dispose
of,
as
well
as
even
if
the
company
that
bids
for
us
happened
to
be
one
of
the
companies
that
had
a
tip
over
last
year,
they're
going
to
understand
real
quickly.
B
Why
we're
wanting
to
make
that
change
as
well?
We
did
go,
we
did
actually
go
down
to
the
biomass
facility
and
actually
toured
it
to
see
what
they
did
and
how
they
did
it,
and
I
can
tell
you
there's
a
lot
of
places
locally
that
are
hauling.
Fernandina
is
hauling
their
own
sludge.
All
the
way
down
there
themselves
down
to
saint
augustine
as
opposed
to
disposing
it.
Of
course,
they
don't
have
the
same
agreement
with
the
landfill
that
we
do
so.
Therefore,
you
know
this
might
be
a
cheaper
alternative.
B
I
did
a
quick
run
of
what
landfill
costs
were
to
a
normal
consumer
and
it's
actually
29.87
a
ton
is
the
going
landfill
rate
today
for
any
other
consumer
that
we're
getting
like.
I
said
in
that
39
year
old,
interlocal
agreement
that
we're
getting
for
zero.
So
you
know
our
thought
would
be
to
go
ahead
and
bid
both.
B
I
think
we
were
just
wanting
some
additional
direction
as
to
whether
we
would
consider
a
green
alternative,
knowing
that
there
is
a
cost
to
doing
business
or
whether
or
not
there
was
just
no
pallet
to
do
it
at
all
and
whether
we
just
needed
to
pursue
with
our
standard.
You
know
three
year
with
the
three-year
extensions
as
a
contract
for
towing
and
just
continue
to
tow
it
to
the
landfill.
I
guess.
H
What
I
was
saying
is
with
the
two
alternatives,
having
kind
of
like
an
a
plus
b
scenario,
where
you
know
there
is
some
value
with
the
community,
whether
it
be
with
us
going
great.
You
know
wanting
to
be
green,
but
I
think
there
should
be
some
way
to
when
you
put
the
bid
out
to
be
able
to
determine
you
know,
is
it
a
ten
percent
increase
in
cost?
Is
it
a
five
percent
increase
in
cost
that
the
the
city
is,
you
know
willing
willing
to
absorb?
B
B
I
said
this
facility
as
well
also
had
a
couple
other
opportunities
for
us,
because
they
do
use
green
waste
in
talking
to
them.
You
know
in
the
scenario
of
a
hurricane
event
where
we
had
disposal
a
large
amount
of
disposal
of
green
waste.
B
This
company
would
also
accept
the
green
waste
at
a
at
a
17
ton,
tipping
cost,
which
is
significantly
less
than
what
it
does
right
now
to
go
to
the
landfill
if
we
had
to
hook
them
up
as
well
as
concrete,
which
we
have
an
excessive
amount
that
we
need
to
get
rid
of
as
well,
so
their
concrete
was
is
currently
zero.
So
we're
hoping
to
take
advantage
of
that,
whether
we
do
this
recycling
of
the
green
organic
materials,
as
well
as
the
the
bio
solids
themselves,.
E
For
you
mike,
do
you
think
there
would
be
any
kind
of
federal
grant
or
federal
funding,
or
some
kind
of
benefit
for
going
green
is
anything
that
exists
out
there?
Can
we
even
explore
something
like
that.
A
Likely
not
with
regards
to
biosolids,
it's
been
around
too
long.
It's
too
adopted
as
a
practice
to
really
find
any
type
of
grants
or
other
types
of
state
or
federal
incentives
to
go
in
that
direction,
and
mayor
hoffman.
I
I
just
dennis
just
picked
up
on
when
you
talked
about
storm
debris
that
we
would
have
a
tipping
fee.
So
so,
but
earlier
mike
said,
we
do
use
the
county's
landfill
for
our
storm
debris.
So
we
do
have
a
tipping
fee
on
the
land
on
the
storm
debris
or
we.
A
Don't
yeah,
we
don't
have
a
tipping
fee
on
storm
debris
that
we
currently
bring
to
the
landfill.
I
believe
the
last
big
storms
that
we've
had
come
through
here,
ashley
our
cfo,
has
indicated.
That's
all
been
able
to
go
to
the
landfill
at
zero
charge
to
the
city.
A
A
I'm
standing
corrected,
I
think
ashley
and
I'm
not
sure
she's.
Currently
a
participant-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
bring
her
in
but
ashley
is
indicating
that
we
do
pay
a
tipping
fee
for
storm
debris
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
just
for
green
material
or
if
that's
for
all
construction
and
demolition
debris
as
well
jacob.
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
the
opportunity
to
bring
her
in.
A
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
heard
no
tipping
fee
and
then
yes
tipping
fee
and
the
same
conversation
so
just
wanted
to
clarify,
and
I
think
that
I,
I
think
sandy's
or
councilmember
golding
stated
it
exactly
the
way.
I
feel
I
I
would
like
to
see
the
actual
numbers,
but
I
think
if
it
is
not
overly
cost
prohibitive
it
certainly
I
would
support
going
for
the
more
environmentally
friendly
option.
Does
this
company
sell
the
the
mulch
product
back
and
is
this
something
that
we
would
our
municipalities
purchasing
it?
How
does
that
work.
B
They
do
sell
the
materials
back,
they
have
two
grades
of
material,
they
have
one,
that's
a
quarter
and
smaller
and
one
that's
three-quarter
inch
and
smaller.
So
the
the
three-quarter
inch
and
smaller
is
kind
of
more
like
a
woody
mulch.
You
still
have
wood
material
in
it.
It's
generally
listed
as
a
composting
you
use
for
gardening
or
flowers
or
whatnot
they're
they're,
and
that
runs
right.
B
Now,
that's
ten
dollars
a
ton
as
far
as
their
finished
product
goes,
they're,
they're,
quarter,
inch
or
smaller,
which
is
designed
for
golf
course
usage.
It
actually
spreads
directly
on
top
of
the
fairways
and
greens
and
because
of
it
being
so
fine
it
actually
goes
down
in
between
and
goes
down
into
the
actual
earth.
So
but
that's
runs
at
80
a
ton,
so
you
know
they're
kind
of
getting
you
on
both
ends.
B
They're
charging
you
to
get
rid
of
your
materials
and
then
they're
charging
you
to
be
able
to
buy
what
they
produce
when
they're
done-
and
I
did
want
to
clear
up
on
the
green
waste
too,
the
green
waste
right
now
they
charge
17
a
ton
for
tipping
costs.
That
is
just
to
the
general
public.
If
you
load
up
a
load
in
your
truck,
you
go
down,
they
weigh
it.
They'll,
take
it
from
you.
B
They
just
have
to
pay
for
the
truck,
so
I'm
not
for
sure
where
the
conversation
would
lead
as
far
as
green
waste
or
as
far
as
proposal,
you
know
during
a
hurricane
event
whether
we
you
know
whether
there
would
be
a
charge
or
not.
I
I
was
just
relating
that.
Currently
there,
their
charges
as
posted
were
17
for
green
waste.
Twenty
nine
dollars
for
bio
silence.
A
K
I
read
the
ila
our
cfo
just
sent
it
to
me
and,
and
it
provides
that
we
shall
have
the
privilege
of
depositing
our
garbage
and
refuge
in
the
city
of
jacksonville,
sanctuary
landfill
operation,
free
of
any
and
all
charges
whatsoever
and
then
throughout
the
rest
of
the
document.
There's
nothing
in
there
that
speaks
to
us
jeopardizing
that
in
any
way,
if
we
were
to
use
saint
augustine
for
a
portion
of
our
refuse,
so
we
would
be
fine.
The
ila
will
still
be
good
for
us
for
all
of
our
other
needs.
A
Well,
I
think
that
gives
us
the
guidance
we
were
looking
for
on
how
to
proceed
with
this
particular
item.
Dennis
you
got
what
you
need
you
do.
Yes,
sir
fantastic
all
right.
Well,
thank
you.
Dennis
we'll
jump
onto
item
number
two
and
item
number.
Two
is
more
of
a
report
card
for
the
city
council
for
the
new
council
members.
A
A
As
part
of
that
arrangement,
we
kept
fire
marshal
services
in-house
here
at
the
city
of
jacks
beach.
The
fire
marshal
not
only
does
some
facilities
planning
and
inspections,
but
he
also
does
site
plan
review
for
new
development,
that's
occurring
within
the
city
to
make
sure
it
complies
with
nfpa.
A
So
I
asked
our
fire
marshal
steve
shadow
to
put
together
some
information
for
you
all
to
take
a
look
at.
Rather
than
do
a
year
end
based
on
november
23rd
or
whatever
the
date
was
of
the
contract.
We
decided
to
just
align
it
with
the
actual
calendar
year
since
that's
how
jfrd
tracks
all
of
their
data-
and
it
made
it
easier
for
us
to
be
able
to
pull
that
information
into
one
concise
spreadsheet.
J
A
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
to
walk
through
some
of
the
contents
of
what
you've
provided.
L
All
right
what
I
followed
up
and
provided
y'all,
you
sent
some
good
questions.
There
was,
I
guess,
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
the
the
council
had
was
the
response
times
and,
and
we
reviewed
the
response
times
for
what
your
jacksonville
beach
fire
department
did,
and
what
the
jfrd's
doing
the
jacksonville
beach
our
response
times
were
four
minutes
and
seven
seconds
and
jfrd's
four
minutes
and
eight
seconds.
So
there's
no!
It's
right
on
the
same,
no
change
there.
L
Now
our
response
times
included
non-emergencies.
Those
are
just
strictly
for
emergencies,
but
you
can't
that's
right
there.
The
some
of
the
other
issues
were
as
far
as
having
one
less
fire
engine
at
the
beach
while
there's
one
less
fire
engine,
there's
one
more
rescue
unit
at
the
beach.
So
being
that
most,
the
runs
are
ems
type
calls
we
made
out
by
having
one
closer
than
waiting
on
atlantic
beach
there,
where
the
ambulances
can
go
single
shot
by
themselves,
if
need
be.
L
L
Whenever
there
was
a
fire
just
like
before,
all
these
other
stations
respond
to
anyway,
you
don't
get
just
one
fire
station
when
there's
a
fire
going
to
it,
the
normal
assignment
for
jfrds,
you
have
three
engines:
two
ladders,
a
rescue
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
chief,
so
they're,
sending
a
compliment
of
at
least
16
people
during
a
single
response
in
there,
so
losing
the
other
engine
did
not
make
a
a
difference
in
there.
Fire
load
is
only
one
percent
of
our
calls
here
and
one
percent
nationwide.
L
There's
not
fires,
it's
all
on
ems
type
calls
and
there.
Another
question
that
was
raised
was
about
the
911
services
and
the
change
in
the
communication
system
that
has
not
been
completed.
Yet
cell
phones
still
go
downtown
and
then
come
back
it
there's
not
gonna,
be
if
it
changes
and
jax
beach
starts
receiving
the
sell
signals
here.
L
L
Ems
call
we
push
a
button
and
the
call
transfers
the
town
right
now,
if
it's
that
way
it
transfers
here,
if
it's
a
police
call,
so
that's
going
to
be
non,
you
know
they'll,
be
you
won't
notice
a
difference
in
there
when
that
occurs
either
some
of
the
questions
also
on
the
services
that
are
currently
being
being
provided
right
now,
the
the
only
difference
is,
and
we've
been
able
to
to
work
through
some
of
this,
I
still
do
the
child
safety
seats
here.
L
The
engine
companies
for
the
city
of
jacks
beach
used
to
help
with
fire
inspections.
They
would
do
those
monthly,
since
that
is
not
a
service.
Jacksonville
provides
those
have
been
transferred
over
and
that's
just
under
the
normal
inspection
routine
of
my
office,
and
I
do
have
some
part-time
help
and
get
one
inspector
a
a
week
and
they'll
pick
up
those
engine
company
inspections
and
do
those
for
the
most
part
and
the
cover
when
I'm
off.
They
can
do
that.
L
The
other
things
that
are
out
there
is
a
cpr
there's
a
question
about
the
cpr
training.
To
my
knowledge,
none
of
the
departments
have
asked
for
it.
You
know
all
they
have
to
do
is
ask
and
I'm
sure
jack's
fire
will
send
the
it's
in
the
contract.
They'll
send
the
somebody
from
the
training
academy
out
to
do
those
inspections
and
there
smoke
detector
program,
while
the
fire
department
doesn't
do
it.
L
I
do
have
a
contact
in
their
fire
prevention
office
and
the
way
it's
been
working
because
there's
very
few
that
call
actually
downtown
for
it.
They'll
refer
I've
done.
One
from
jacksonville
got
referred
back
out
to
the
beach
in
in
the
year,
so
there
was
only
one
that
they
actually
called
them
forward.
I
received
most
of
those
myself
here
in
the
office
when
we
run
the
ads
and
response
and
informational
bulletins
out
of
the
beaches
leader.
L
Let's
see
just
people
just
call
our
number
because
we're
accessible
it's
easy
to
get
hold
when
trying
to
get
hold
of
downtown's
a
little
different.
Their
fire
stations
are
non-listed
numbers,
so
somebody
just
can't
call
the
fire
station
get
the
information,
and
there
you
have
some
questions
regarding
the
pre-fire
plan
in
hydrants
jacksonville
does
their
annual
hydrant
inspections,
our
public
works
they're
out
there
doing
the
flow
test
in
there.
L
So
we're
right
on
track
with
that,
the
fire
prevention
or
the
fire
pre-fire
planning
I've
been
working
with
jacksonville
on
that
I
send
them
information
like
margaritaville
to
help
them
do
the
pre-fire
planning
it's
easier
found
out
over
my
career.
If
I
can
get
actually,
I
have
access
to
the
plans
I
just
take
like
it's
called
the
life
safety
page
and
I'll
forward
that
on
these
big
jobs,
where
they'll
have
all
the
information
they
can
transfer
it
over
and
make
those
pre-fire
plans
in
there
right
now,
they're
going
through
the
iso
inspection.
L
So
there's
been
a
lot
of
interaction
between
us
with
this
so
trying
to
get
the
best
grade
for
the
city
that
can
happen
and
they're
we're
county-wide,
I
should
say
not
just
city
jacksonville
beach,
which
county
wide
grade
the
special
events
there's
been
a
topic
there.
One
of
the
questions
that
was
sent
was
the
staffing
requirements.
L
Jacksonville
sets
their
staffing
requirements
by
by
ordinance
just
like
us,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
the
what
I
sent
out
on
there
for
500
people
is
when
their
ordinance
kicks
in
they're
required
to
have
two
people:
ems
personnel
on
site.
That's
a
little
different
than
the
way
we
had
it.
Our
numbers
would
be
a
little
bit
higher
and
we
would
base
it
on
several
other
factors.
L
What
was
going
on
alcohol
at
the
events,
several
different
things
where
we
come
up
in
past
history
of
it,
where
we
have
a
known
history
of
what
was
going
on
they're,
just
learning,
what's
going
on
in
our
special
events
and
the
need
and
the
impact
on
the
fire
services,
but
that's
why
they
charge
those
fees
and
require
people
to
be
out
there.
So
the
present
service
they
they're
applying
at
the
beach
does
not
get
negatively
impact
with
a
large
special
event.
L
Otherwise,
the
the
run
loads
stayed
the
same
fire
loads
stayed
the
same.
Ems
is
the
one.
That's
activated
tying
everything
up.
You
can't
just
go
to
the
fire
stations
like
you
used
to
there's
a
question
about
blood
pressure
checks,
jacksonville
does
them,
but
they're
locked
down
and
the
fire
stations.
You
know,
they're,
not
letting
people
into
the
fire
station
they're
not
doing
fire
station
tours
anymore
because
trying
to
keep
the
public
out
keep
their
guys
healthy
in
there.
I
know
there
was
a
question
about
what
do
they
track
and
they
don't
track.
L
A
Steve,
maybe
if
you
can
just
back
me
up
on
this
because
I
know
as
the
fire
marshal
you'd
be
one
of
the
first
ones
to
hear,
but
I
know
I
can
say
with
confidence
that
the
city
manager's
office
has
not
received
any
complaints
from
members
of
the
public
over
the
past
12
months
with
regards
to
service
provision
by
jfrd.
A
Have
you
heard
anything
from
your
end
as
the
fire
marshal?
I.
L
Have
not
received
any
information
or
any
complaints
there.
Things
are
going,
things
are
going
fine,
as
far
as
I
can
say,
there's
no
they've
got
a
really
good
group
of
personnel
out
here
and
they've
worked
hard
to
do
that
they
were,
they
don't
want
there
to
be
any
issues.
So
they've
got
some
of
their
best
people
out
here
with
the
really
good
personalities
that
fit
in
to
our
city.
The
way
our
city
operates
and
the
personalities
out
here.
So
I
you've
you've
got
a
good,
a
good
service
going
it's
working.
A
Thank
you,
steve,
we'll
jump
into
any
questions
or
comments
that
the
council
have
we'll
start
with
councillor
golding,
followed
by
vice
mayor,
nicholls.
F
Steve,
thank
you
so
much
for
putting
this
information
together
and
giving
us
this
this
review
question
for
you.
I
know
that
historically,
our
fire
department
would
do
at
least
900
fire
hydrant
checks.
It
seems
a
year
and
I
see
that
jfrd
did
test
987
and
I
looked
at
our
contract.
Our
contract
doesn't
specify
how
many
fire
hydrants
they
need
to
check
on
an
annual
basis,
but
do
we
have
is
there?
Is
there
a
number
that
they
are
shooting
for
to
make
sure
that
our
fire
hydrants
are
getting
checked
like
they
should
be.
L
Right,
the
number
in
there
is,
if
we
put
a
number
the
hydrogen
number
of
fire
hydrants
is
always
changing,
so
that
would
be
a
target
that
we
wouldn't
want
in
there
it's
just
annually,
all
the
fire
hydrants
have
to
be
serviced
and
tested,
and
that's
what
they
do
flow
test
is
something
that
our
public
works
department
does
and
we
try
to
get
the
we
want.
250
hydrants
tested
a
year
in
five
year
period.
L
You
have
to
have
all
your
hydrants
flow
tested
and
that's
what
public
works
is
doing
so
we're
meeting
that
part
of
it
and
they're
meeting
the
the
other
part
of
the
annual
service
of
the
hydrants.
F
A
A
J
A
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
if
ashley's
on
the
line
and
if,
if,
if
we
can't
give
it
to
you
tonight,
we'll
get
that
information
to
you
by
email
and
send
it
out
to
all
council.
Okay.
A
J
J
J
A
A
Okay,
we
will
move
on
to
item
number
three
steve.
Thank
you
for
the
update
from
jfrd
for
this
next
item.
Regarding
the
parks
assessment
study
for
the
new
council
members
last
year,
we
actually
had
a
council
briefing
where
there
was
a
council
consensus
for
us
to
go
out
and
do
an
audit
of
each
of
our
park
facilities
to
get
an
idea
of
what
their
conditions
were
and
how
we
should
proceed
forward
as
a
city,
director,
fatidis
and
his
staff
put
together.
A
One
of
the
things
he
wanted
to
do
tonight
was
to,
for
the
benefit
of
the
new
council,
give
you
all
a
high
level
snapshot
of
what
the
contents
of
that
report
are
and
then
also
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what
the
next
steps
are.
Where
we
go
from
here
and
there's
some
specific
policy
directions
that
he'd
like
to
ask
you,
which
are
actually
contained
in
the
cover
memo
for
this
particular
item.
So
with
that
jason,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
M
Thank
you
mike
and
good
evening,
council.
I
just
want
to
start
by.
M
I
guess
emphasizing
that
what
the
the
study
did
not
include
in
some
of
the
other
areas
that
that
parks
are
responsible
for
and
that's
the
cemeteries,
the
golf
course
medians,
and
then
we
have
several
other
pockets
of
property
that
we
maintain,
but
that's
not
included
in
the
report.
M
M
And
so
we
set
about
by
going
through
a
lengthy
process
in
detail
over
each
park.
But
a
lot
of
the
study
came
from
the
survey
that
that
we
did
gave
us
a
lot
of
good
feedback
from
the
public.
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
much
of
the
detail.
M
I
think
you
know
it's
kind
of
spelled
out
in
the
in
the
summary,
and
you
know
I
I
do
want
to
give
the
council
the
opportunity
to
ask
any
questions
and
then
perhaps
we
can
get
into
the
direction
that
we're
asking
from
council
tonight
so
I'll
open.
It
up,
if
you
have
any
questions
regarding
the
study
itself,.
G
G
I
know
I
read
the
assessment
and
everything-
and
I
know
I've
had
a
few
residents
reach
out
to
me
about
gonzalez
park
and
they
were
wondering,
obviously
when
things
were
going
to
get
done
and
now
that
you're
here
obviously
you're
asking
for
our
direction
on
the
gonzales
park.
When
do
you
think
some
of
the
things
that
you
were
talking
to
me
about?
G
When
do
you
think
you
could
start
getting
that
or
accomplishing
some
of
those
things
you
were
talking
about
when
we
met
of
repair
and
some
other
some
of
the
things
that
were
wrong?
In
that
part.
M
So,
thank
you,
councilmember
mesa
that
goes
directly
to
one
of
the
two
directions
that
we're
asking
council
tonight,
and
that
is
you
know,
does
council
concur
that
improvements
to
gonzales
park
should
be
a
first
priority,
and
if
so,
should
we
engage
a
design
firm
and
you
know
to
re-imagine
it
into
a
master
plan,
or
should
we
begin
what
we
suggest
to
do
something
immediately
and
then
take
on
to
that
with
with
a
master
plan,
so
what
staff
had
suggested
was
you
know
the
issue
at
gonzales
park
main
issue
is
that
we
have
a
vagrancy
problem.
M
The
city
attorney,
along
with
the
police
department
and
the
parks
department,
worked
together
with
to
to
create
chapter
20
of
our
ordinances
and
that's
given
the
police
department.
Some
teeth
to
you
know
follow
some
trespass
laws
that
will
help
us
there,
but
when
council
met
in
september
of
last
year,
one
of
the
issues
they
raised
was
you
know.
If
we
raised
the
level
of
activity
in
that
park,
that
would
mitigate
the
vagrancy
issue
and
so
staff.
M
You
know
offering
an
alternative
in
that
we
have
an
organization,
that's
willing
to
donate
the
cost
of
four
pickleball
courts
to
the
park.
We
feel
that
within
our
current
reserve
budget,
we
can
come
up
with
the
monies
to
renovate
the
restrooms.
The
restrooms
are
essential
for
not
only
park
participants
but
for
the
pickleball,
and
with
that
we
think
that
immediately
it
would
help
curb
the
vagrancy
issue.
M
It
would
bring
some
activity
into
the
park
and
then
some
of
the
other
suggestions
you
know,
apart
from
going
to
a
design
firm
to
get
it
reimagined,
was
to
create
a
multi-purpose
field
from
the
two
currently
less
used
softball
fields
and
then
to
add
to
that
maybe
a
walking
trail
and
a
fitness
exercise
equipment.
C
I
have
some
questions
that
I'll
just
ask
you
later
on,
because
they're
not
directly
related
to
the
question.
That's.
C
C
When
I
look
at
the
park
system,
I
see
parks
in
a
couple,
different
settings
or
meaning
like
purposes
who
would
use
them.
There
are
community
parks.
Gonzales
could
be
considered
a
community
park
tall
pines
huguenot.
All
of
those
there
are
destination
parks
at
south
beach
park
in
the
tennis
court.
The
golf
course
obviously
and
wingate
park
are
poor
destination
parks,
and
then
you
have
some
parks
that
they're
both.
C
So
while
we
have
the
tennis
center
at
uganda,
there's
also
a
just
a
neighborhood
aspect
to
that
park
system
same
thing
with
sunshine
people
who
live
by
there.
Think
of
that
as
their
community
park.
C
Well,
what
about
my
park
so
at
some
points
like
if
we
can
just
figure
out
what
that
minimal
level
would
be
that
kicks
up
all
our
parks
to
assert
that
certain
stage
and
then
invest
additional
more
strategically
into
specific
parks
to
be
able
to
alleviate
some
of
the
issues
that
were
brought
forth
in
that
survey,
also
with
the
latham
latham
and
the
pavilion
destination
parks
as
well.
So
what
do
you
did?
You
want
to
say
something:
jason,
you
kind
of
lean
forward.
C
Okay,
the
and
this
is
a
question
that
came
up
with
some
of
the
community
meetings
at
jugeno,
the
tennis
court.
Did
you
get
a
chance
to
see
the?
Are
there
any
deed
restrictions
when
the
city
purchased
that
and
decided
to
turn
it
into
a
tennis
center.
C
Okay,
great
and
I
mentioned
to
mike
earlier-
and
I
don't
I
didn't,
send
you
a
question.
I
got
kind
of
caught
up
with
work
today.
The
benny
furlong
center
mike
and
I
had
a
conversation
and
we,
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
owns
that
land
who
owns
the
building.
J
C
I'll
follow
up
with
you
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
that
is
that
I
could
see
that
at
least
the
tennis
center
you
know
park
and
the
the
senior
center
all
instead
of
looking
at
it
as
three
distinct
different
areas.
We
should,
when
planning
for
that
in
our
master
plan,
look
at
that
as
one
holistic
area.
So
this
way
you
can
see
seniors
in
the
park
as
well.
As
you
know,
a
walk
trail
around
the
you've
seen
the
some
ideas
from
the
neighbors
there,
the
walk
around
the
pond
so
but
that
again,
would
be.
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
know
why
they
did
that,
but
that's
what
they
did.
Okay,
counselor
jansen,
followed
by
mayor
hoffman,.
E
So
when
it
comes
to
gonzales
park,
that's
sitting
in
our
backyard
and
our
kids
use
the
park
along
with
obviously,
obviously
a
lot
of
other
people
there.
The
homeless
had
been
urinating
by
that
that
you
that
center
building-
I
guess
it's
the
closed
down
restrooms
and
then
we
put
in
a
a
port-a-potty
of
some
sort
that
was
there
for
a
little
while
and
that
was
removed
and
now
they're
back
to
using
the
side
of
the
building.
E
Again,
my
fear-
and
these
two
decisions
are,
if
we
just
do
the
renovation
of
the
restrooms
and
the
pickleball
courts,
are
we
just
going
to
put
a
band-aid
on
the
park?
And
then
you
know
it
falls
by
the
wayside,
because
I
personally
I
like
the
first
idea
of
doing
a
reimagined
master
plan
and
it
being
a
priority
because
that
park
is,
I
think,
way
overdue.
Not
that
not
to
take
away
from
any
other
park,
because
there's
there
are
other
parks
that
need
attention
as
well.
E
I
get
that-
and
I
agree
with
council
council
person
dumont.
E
However,
gonzales
has
been
in
poor
form
for
quite
some
time
and
I
think
it
really
needs
some
attention
and
I
just
don't
want
to
put
a
band-aid
on
it
and
then
disappear
for
a
few
years
and
we
don't
really
get
anywhere
with
it.
E
I
I
fear
that
you
know
just
doing
the
restrooms
now
we've
given
a
restroom
to
the
homeless,
so
I
would
prefer
to
see-
and
I
think
the
correct
me
if
I'm
not
if
I'm
wrong
mike,
but
isn't
it
article
20
or
that
that's
that
gives
the
teeth
for
the
law
enforcement
to
come
in
there
and
do
what
they
need
to
do
with
the
homeless.
E
E
That
this
came
on
board,
but
anyways,
that's
neither
here.
I
think
that
the
the
the
law
enforcement
aspect
of
it
can
can
kind
of
handle
some
of
the
homeless
issues,
but
the
park
still
needs
tremendous
attention
and
I
I
I'm
for
the
reimagined
master
plan
myself.
Instead
of
just
putting
band-aids
on
it,.
M
M
We
can
then
continue
a
master
plan
that
that
park
desperately
needs
to
bring
it
up
to
say
a
standard
of
what
we
have
on
the
south
end.
So
it
would
be
step
one
and
then
step
two
again.
Staff's
concern
is
to
do
something
you
know
in
in
immediacy,
one
of
the
things
that
jumped
out
personally
to
me
when
I
read
the
responses
to
the
survey,
you
know
which
resonated
was
one
couple
were
moving
away
because
they
couldn't
tolerate
the
the
safety
factor
brought
about
by
the
vagrancy,
and
so
I
think
it's
essential.
M
M
We've
also.
I
wanted
to
mention
that,
subsequent
to
the
council
meeting
council
briefing,
rather
in
in
september,
we
did
reach
out
to
the
gonzalez
community
and
we
had
quite
some
good
engagement
with
them
to
find
out
what
they
would
prefer,
and
so
you
know
we
have
a
good
understanding.
We
do
think
that
you
know,
should
council
give
us
the
direction
to
move
forward
not
only
with
gonzales
park,
but
all
the
parks
is
that
we
would
engage
the
community
get
their
ideas,
their
input
suggestions,
what
they
want
to
see.
M
J
A
F
Thank
you
jason
again,
thank
you
to
to
your
department
for
doing
this
assessment,
because
it's
very
comprehensive
and-
and
I
fully
agree
with
councilmember
janssen
that
gonzales
is-
is
very,
very,
very
long
overdue.
Having
something
done
with
it.
F
We
can
do
some
of
the
things
that
you're
saying
to
increase
the
the
use
of
the
park,
and
I
think
that
that
will
definitely
address
the
vagrancy
issue
with
regard
to
pickleball-
and
I
I
I
don't-
I
think
I
know
the
answer,
but
we
don't
currently
have
any
pickleball
courts.
Is
that
correct
anywhere
in
jacks
beach.
M
F
And
I
I
think
it's
wonderful-
that
there
is
an
organization
that
would
donate
the
pickleball
courts.
Another
question
I
had
would
be
do:
do
we
have
the
parking
at
gonzales
park
to
support?
You
know
the
usage
of
the
four
pickleball
courts.
I
believe
we
do,
but
just
want
to
confirm
that
with
you.
M
I
believe
so
councilmember
golding
pickleball,
if
we
put
four
courts,
there'd,
be
two
to
each
side
of
the
court,
so
you're
looking
about
16
people
at
a
time
and
that
could
certainly
be
accommodated
with
current
parking
at
gonzales.
F
Okay
and-
and
I
you
know,
I
do
like
the
idea
of
a
reimagined
gonzalez
park,
but
I
would
also
be
supportive
of
going
ahead
because
we
have
the
offer
from
the
organization
to
install
the
pickleball
courts
and
update
the
restrooms,
but
also
with
the
plan
to
you
know
also
in
parallel
start
working
on
that
master
plan
or
the
reimagining
of
gonzales
park.
I
I
Okay,
so
I'll
speak
loudly,
I
agree
with
gonzalez
park
being
first,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
should
let
pickleball
be
the
tail
that
wags
the
dog.
If
we
do
a
if
we
have
professional
consultants
that
help
us
reimagine
this
park,
what
if
they
say,
that's,
not
where
the
bathroom
should
be,
and
we've
just
spent
money,
upgrading
and
repairing
the
bathrooms.
I
If
you
look
on
page
22
of
the
gonzales
park,
aerial
photo
there's
a
full
quarter
of
that
park.
I
drive
by
this
park
twice
a
day.
At
least
there
is
a
full
quarter
of
that
park.
That
is
a
walking
trail
to
nothing
and
it
looks
like
a
very
poorly
planned
park,
and
I
fear
that
if
we
don't
put
a
plan
in
place
first
before
we
start
making
improvements
that
we're
end
up
going
to
end
up
with
something
like
this,
I've
never
seen
a
single
person
using
that
walking
path.
I
It
would
be
one
thing
if
it
was
a
walk
around
a
lagoon
at
huguenot
park
or
something
like
that,
but
it's
literally
just
a
walk
around
in
a
circle
in
the
middle
of
a
park.
It's
not
a
running.
It's
not
a
track:
it's
not
an
exercise
path,
it's
just
a
sidewalk
in
the
middle
of
a
park,
so
I
feel
like
we're
gonna
piecemeal
a
park
together
if
we
start
with
pickleball.
I
support
a
holistic
approach.
I
Pickleball
might
not
be
the
right
thing
for
this
park,
but
I
think
we
need
some
help
deciding
what
it's
going
to
be,
and
I
also
would
say:
there's
not
a
lot
of
parking
most
of
the
parking
that
happens
at
this
park
when
they
have
kickball
tournaments,
and
things
like
that
is-
is
on
the
grass
across
the
sidewalk
on
the
on
the
north
or
I'm
sorry
on
the
east
side
of
the
park.
C
Thank
you.
I
I
agree
with
chris.
I
would
like
to
see
the
full
master
plan
for
not
just
this
park,
but
for
all
the
parks
to
make
sure
that
they're
integrated
into
each
other.
So
we
don't
have
we
don't
end
up
with
just
one
south
beach
park
and
a
whole
bunch
of
gonzales
or
whatnot
so,
but
in
the
meantime,
I
think
we
should
do
something.
I
think
installing
four
courts
is
a
little
bit
more
on
the
extreme.
I
can
see
just
you
know,
fixing
the
this
isn't
an
easy
one.
C
I
guess
what
I
want
to
look
at
this
is
time
wise.
If
we
were
to
say
yes,
jason
pickleball,
it's
the
thing:
let's
do
it.
When
would
you
actually
have
shovel
in
the
ground
and
people
would
be
playing
pickleball?
How
far
into
the
future
would
that
be
versus
us
holding
off
developing
the
matt
parks,
master
plan
and,
let's
say
pickleball,
it's
determined
that
that
is
the
thing
that's
going
to
fix
the
park.
How
long?
M
So
if
we
went
with
the
pickleball
we'd
need
to
go
to
council
get
council's
approval
to
accept
a
donation
for
the
court
court,
the
construction
that
would
take
a
month
to
construct
the
courts.
It
would
take
a
probably
about
three
weeks
if
you
factor
the
contractors
lead
times
and
whatnot.
You
could
add
possibly
another
three
weeks
to
that,
and
in
that
time
period
we
could
get
the
restrooms
completed.
M
M
Yes,
we
are,
but
the
company
is
with
what
they
call
us
communities,
trust
it's
a
an
alliance,
that
is
a
government.
You
know
solicited
purchasing
agreement
that
we
could
piggyback
off.
M
M
Just
to
further
information
on
the
last
question,
mr
mont
is
with
the
construction
of
the
restrooms.
We
do
have
a
contractor
under
continued
service
contract
that
looked
at
those
restrooms
and
gave
us
the
estimate
of
of
approximately
fifty
000
to
turn
them
into
what
we
currently
have
at
south
beach
here
and
at
oceanfront
park
is
a
four
stall
restroom
two,
each
for
male
and
female.
C
C
I'm
looking
at
the
picture
that
chris
noted
on
page
22
is
it:
where
would
if
you
you're
there?
Where
would
you
see
putting
the
pickleball
courts
and
two?
Is
there
any
any
thoughts
on
creating
a
parking
lot
so
to
increase
the
parking
for
that
park?.
M
So
you
know
mayor
hoffman
brought
up
several.
You
know
valid
points
on.
You
know
the
the
redesign
you
don't
want
to.
You
know
put
something
in
there
that
you
got
to
remove
at
a
later
stage
and
what
we
would
do
if
council
gave
us
the
direction
to
move
ahead
with
the
restoration
of
the
restrooms
and
by
the
way
you
know
we're
also
looking
at
the
cost
you
know
on
this.
Is
it
if
we
were
to
relocate
the
restrooms
elsewhere?
M
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
in
terms
of
you
know,
putting
drainage
and
and
so
forth
in
there,
but
we
would
carefully
look
at
this
with
the
foresight
that
this
park
is
going
to
be
enhanced,
hopefully
to
a
level
that
we
have
here
on
the
south
end,
and
so
we
would
engage.
M
C
C
M
So
public
works
indicated
that
the
current
lay
down
site
which
was
restored
by
the
contractor,
thankfully
to
its
original,
would
not
be
used
for
lay
down
for
the
next
12
to
15
months
with
that,
we
talked
with
the
city
manager
and
mike
had
approved
a
budget
for
us
for
about
10
000
to
put
some
temporary
playground
when
we
say
temporary
playground
equipment
there
for
the
kids
and
the
community
of
that
park,
and
if
we
were
to
move
it,
we
could
move
it
later
to
another
park.
M
M
So
with
those
parameters
in
mind
we
reached
out
to
the
community
again
we
got
some
good
valuable
input
and
engagement
from
them,
and
since
then,
we
have
ordered
some
playground
equipment
which
should
be
arriving
by
the
end
of
this
month
or
the
beginning
of
march.
M
C
Yeah,
thank
you
and
my
only
other
note
is
to
just
make
sure
that
you're,
including
all
of
the
communities
and
you
are
doing
that
with
gonzales
with
12
his
huguenots,
so
you're
doing
a
great
job
with
making
sure
that
people
are
engaged
in
their
parks
and
having
a
saying
what
goes
in
their
parks
since
they're
the
ones
using
those
parks.
So
thank
you
so
much
to
you
and
your
team
for
that.
Thank
you.
D
Okay,
I'll
preface
by
saying
that
our
parks
and
rec
system
and
jack's
beach
is
is
definitely
a
highlight
of
the
area,
so
I
think
we're
doing
a
great
job
overall
there
and
the
one
thing
I
want
to
start
on
is
you
know
the
first
requested
council
direction
is,
is
a
park
strategy
document.
D
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
much
needed,
because
in
your
assessment
there's
every
park
has
got
a
lot
of
issues
that
you
know.
Trash
cans
benches
shade
areas,
so
we
definitely
need
a
plan
moving
forward
in
the
coming
years
on
how
to
take
care
of
these.
D
You
have
them
rated
one
to
five.
There's
a
lot
of
threes
and
twos.
Every
park
has
got
some
threes
and
twos
in
there.
So
you
know
in
in
here
it
just
says:
carver
huguenot
tall
pines
really
needs
all
of
them.
Every
park
has
got
it.
Gotta
need
improve,
is
going
excuse
me
going
to
need
improvements
in
the
coming
years
and
then,
once
you
get
past
these
threes
and
twos,
then
some
of
those
fours
and
fives
are
probably
going
to
be
down
to
the
threes
and
twos.
D
So
it's
going
to
be
a
kind
of
never-ending
cycle,
and
you
know
we've
just
you
and
I
have
just
been
talking
about
south
beach
park
and
some
of
the
issues
there
and
then
you
know
we
just
I
just
was
at
huguenot
park
today
and
and
sent
you
the
the
photos
of
the
the
sign
there
at
huguenots.
So
you
know,
staying
on
top
of
of
some
of
these
things
that
keep
coming
up
is
is
going
to
be
ever
important
going
down
to
the
gonzalez
park.
D
I
think
you
know,
I
think
it's
great,
that
we're
getting
somebody
that
wants
to
donate
some
pickleball
courts,
but
I
you
know
it's
been
bounced
around.
My
my
personal
thought
is
I'd
hate
to
rush
into
new
restrooms
new
pickleball
courts
without
having
some
sort
of
overall
design
plan
for
the
park.
I
know
when
we
did
our
tour.
D
We
talked
about
some
of
the
improvements
and
some
of
the
design
features
and
how
it
you
know,
could
be
better
better
set,
and
you
know
I'd
hate
for
us
to
you
know,
go
in
and
put
in.
You
know
restrooms,
obviously,
with
the
piping,
that's
a
little
bit
different,
but
if
we
put
these
pickleballs
say
in
the
southeast
corner
and
the
master
plan
says
oh
well,
really
the
best
spot
would
be
the
northeast
corner.
Well
now
you
know:
how
is
that
going
to
affect
the
shaping?
D
So
I
think
if
we
have
a
master
plan
at
least
some
sort
of
idea,
what
we
want
to
do
before
we
get
these
pickleball
courts
in
and
spend
a
bunch
of
money
as
well.
If
spickleball
is
different,
is
if
they're
going
to
donate
eighty
thousand
dollars,
but
if
we're
gonna
spend
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
city
money,
that's
a
little
bit.
You
know
different
situation.
We
wanna
make
sure
that
we
have
a
master
plan.
D
Third,
I
I
like
council
member
dumont
kind
of
started
with
talking
about
our
community
parks,
and
I
think
you
know
when
we
look
at
this.
We
have
to
decide
south
beach
park
is
a
destination
park.
You
noted
in
here
when
what,
if
people
go
to
their
community
parks
or
go
to
different
parks-
and
I
think
you
know
we-
we
should
decide
so
we
have
a
destination
park
on
the
south
end.
D
Do
we
imagine
gonzales
park
as
a
destination
park
on
the
north
end,
or
is
it
just
a
community
park
and
that
maybe
kind
of
switches,
the
narrative
would
would
a
astroturf
field
on
gonzales
park,
be
great
for
the
community
and
make
it
a
destination
similar
to
south
beach
park?
You
know,
I
don't
know
you
know
so,
because
that's
we
have
to,
in
my
opinion,
decide
whether
it's
a
destination
for
the
all
of
jack's
beach,
or
is
it
just
a
community
park
like
huguenot,
which
is
nice?
D
A
Okay
back
to
councilor
dumont.
C
Thank
you.
I
like
what
chet's
bringing
up
that
main
that
one
of
the
larger
questions.
What
do
it
goes
back
to
that
master
plan?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
destination
park?
Should
we
put
in
the
fake
field
on
there
and
if
we
were,
then
that
would
impact
in
a
positive
way
south
beach
park,
because
it
might
actually
free
up,
because
that's
some
of
the
the
the
use
of
that
park
because
it
is
a
heavily
used
park.
I
had
two
questions
more
with
the
the
data.
J
C
C
M
No
that's
cra
funded
so.
C
M
C
J
It
does
maintain
the
tennis
court,
because
the
agency
built
that
but
you're
right
within
the
boundaries
of
sunshine
park,
because
that
was
a
community
city
project.
The
south
beach
agency
cannot
maintain
that.
Okay,
great
and.
C
M
C
And
my
other
one
we're
staying
in
south
beach
now,
there's
no
more
parks,
I'm
just
kind
of
working
my
way
south.
Have
we
decided
if
we're
going
to
move
up
the
replacement
of
the
playground
from
2024
to
2022
budgets.
F
So
jason,
do
I
understand,
based
on
a
previous
question
that
was
asked
about
timelines,
that
if
we
were
to
do
a
reimagining
of
gonzales
park
that
we
wouldn't
see
any
shovels
in
the
ground,
for
did
you
say
a
year
and
a
half
or
more.
M
A
And
for
the
for
the
benefit
of
mayor
and
council,
one
of
the
things
I've
written
out
to
myself
here
is
to
get
with
cfo
gosset
later
this
week
to
see.
If
there's
any
way,
we
could
advance
the
reimagining
of
gonzales
park
from
a
study
and
or
design
perspective,
to
move
it
into
the
latter
half
of
this
year.
F
Yeah
because
I
I
was
going
to
say
I
mean
I,
I
definitely
support
a
reimagining,
but
it's
it's
very
painful
that
if
it
were
going
to
be
something
that
was
going
to
take
so
long
because
it's
it
was
needed
like
several
years
ago.
So
if
there's
anything
that
could
be
done
to
do
that,
then
I
think
that
that
definitely
needs
to
happen.
Thank
you.
J
I
I
I
would
also
say
that
the
people
that
are
using
that
field-
I
kind
of
cringed
when
we
talked
about
the
artificial
turf
field,
because
that's
organized
youth
sports,
typically,
where
the
people
that
are
using
the
gonzales
park
fields
are
largely
adult
kind
of
intramural
type,
social
teams
so
just
drive
by
there
on
a
saturday
morning.
It's
young
professionals
playing
kickball,
and
it's
really
probably
the
only
place.
They
can
really
do
that
that
isn't
being
taken
up
by
by
youth,
sports
and
and
league.
I
So
it's
just
nice
to
see
that
I
think
it
gives
it
a
different.
It
differentiates
itself
from
the
other
parks
in
our
system.
So
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
before
we
there's
something
nice
and
kind
of
neighborhood
and
homegrown
about
the
park,
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know
kind
of
over
engineer
out
of
that.
But
I
also
I
I
want
to
do
it
right
with
the
consideration
that
it
is
right
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area.
G
I
know
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
agree
with
sandy
and
mike,
obviously,
if
there's
any
way
that
we
could
advance.
This
would
be
great.
I
mean
this
part,
obviously
everyone's
saying
that
it
needs
major
help
and
from
what
I
remember
when
I
should
go
there
and
practice
playing
soccer.
It
really
didn't
give
me
that
that
field
and
I
never
the
times
that
I've
driven
at
that
park-
I've
hardly
seen
any
families
playing
on
the
swing
set.
So
if
we
could
work
on
this
part
sooner
then
later
it'd
be
great.
That's
all.
A
Okay,
I
think
we
got
the
direction
we
were
looking
for
from
council
this
evening.
We'll
be
doing
a
few
things
behind
the
scenes
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
hopefully
provide
some
information
back
to
council.
I
do
see
councillor
stokes.
Did
you
have
one
more
comment
on
this.
D
Yeah,
since
we're
talking
about
parks,
I
just
would
like
to
bring
this
one
up
to
attention.
Is
that
I,
when
I
was
at
huguenot
park,
I
noticed
an
issue
I
used
the
new.
I
jason
calls
it
the
ocr
program,
I'm
not
really
sure
what
that
stands
for,
but
to
to.
Let
parks
know
that
there's
an
issue
I
notified
him,
but
then
I
also
sent
a
kind
of
follow
up
on
with
some
pictures,
because
I
couldn't
send
those
through
the
system.
D
I
couldn't
figure
it
out
real
quickly
and
he
said
he
had
already
received
it,
so
that
was
really
good.
The
only
issue
I
had-
and
I
was
wondering
if
this
is
something
that,
since
we're
talking
about
parks,
we
could
look
at
is
they're
just
like
laminated
pieces
of
paper
on
the
trash
can
and
it
was
like
when
I
was
walking
around
south
beach
park
today.
I
only
like
saw
two
of
them
and
one
was
on
a
fence
and
one
was
on
a
trash.
Can
the
one
at
huguenot
was
on
a
trash?
D
Can
the
one
at
oceanfront
park
was
like
on
the
electrical
door?
Is
there
a
way
to
actually
make
like
a
nice
sign
to
let
people
know
because
people
are
your
best
way
to
know?
What's
when
something's
wrong
with
the
park,
you
know
we're
doing
weekly
inspections
now
in
all
the
parks,
but
you
got
people
that
are
going
to
the
park
multiple
times
a
week
and
they
can
let
you
know
a
lot
quicker
like
I'll.
D
Let
you
know
an
issue
today,
and
so
you
know
I'm
sure
other
residents
could
do
that
just
with
it
just
being
right
there
on
the
side
of
the
trash.
Can
it
was
really
tough
to
see
and
like
to
get
some
new
signs
out
there
at
the
parks,
if
possible,
I
feel
like
it
would
be
pretty
inexpensive.
M
Yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
results
of
this
park's
assessment
study
and
I
got
a
credit
jacob
board
who
came
up
with
that
idea.
We
thought
we'd,
just
put
a
telephone
number
opens
up.
Jacob
came
up,
the
laminated
signs
were
a
temporary
thing
and
you
know
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
more
permanent
solution,
but
the
more
of
them
we
have
the
more
chance
we
we
get
to
hear
feedback
from
those
that
are
using
our
box,
but
it's
been
a
successful
program.
A
Okay,
mayor,
I
noticed
your
hand
is
still
raised,
but
I'm
thinking
that
was
from
before.
Okay.
Thank
you
all
right,
jason.
Thank
you
on
this
one
you
and
I
will
get
together
on
thursday.
I
think,
and
we'll
have
a
bunch
to
talk
about
we're
going
to
jump
into
item
number
four
on
the
agenda
now,
which
is
again
similar
to
jfrd,
it's
more
of
just
an
informational
update
for
council
for
the
new
council
members.
Just
so
that
you're
aware
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
is
currently
regulated
by
the
state.
A
With
regards
to
short-term
vacation
rentals,
there
has
been
language
on
the
book
at
the
at
the
state
level
for
a
number
of
years.
Now
that
prohibits
communities
from
precluding
short-term
vacation
rentals
from
occurring
within
their
communities.
A
One
of
the
things
that
the
staff
has
been
doing
over
the
past
12
months
or
so
now
is
going
through
the
process
of
trying
to
get
those
short-term
vacation
rentals
within
our
community
registered
specifically
we're.
Looking
at
those
that
are
the
single-family
residential
properties,
not
necessarily
the
condos
that
are
on
the
beach,
but
the
single-family
homes
that
are
actually
back
in
neighborhoods,
trying
to
make
sure
that
they
do
the
right
thing
with
regards
to
their
registration
and,
ultimately,
their
taxes
and
fees
that
are
paid
to
the
state.
A
We
provided
you
with
some
updates
with
regards
to
the
actual
numbers
that
we're
seeing.
We
are
working
with
a
third
party
vendor
called
host
compliance,
who
is
doing
research
and
submission
of
notification
to
each
of
the
different
properties.
For
us,
we
do
keep
running
into
the
issue
that
there
are
a
lot
of
short-term
vacation
rentals
in
jacks
beach,
but
there
are
only
a
certain
number
that
actually
fall
under
the
control
of
the
ordinance
that
we're
putting
in
place
and
those
properties
tend
to
move
fluidly
from
being
a
rental
to
not
being
a
rental.
A
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
attachment
information
that
we've
given
you,
you
can
see
some
of
the
data
and
information
that
is
in
there.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
also
wanted
to
provide
to
you
as
well
was
a
quick
update
with
regards
to
state
legislation.
A
A
Last
year
there
was
a
bill
that
was
proposed
by
representative
jason
fisher,
who
is
out
of
the
mandarin
area
of
jacksonville
metro
area,
and
he
he
was
pushing
for
full
preemption
but
did
not
have
a
companion
legislation
from
the
senate
this
year,
there's
actually
two
bills
that
are
being
proposed
house
bill,
219
and
senate
bill.
522
those
bills
contain
identical
language.
A
So
with
that
being
said,
we
provided
you
with
the
sdv
stbr
updates
from
october
of
last
year,
we've
given
you
some
of
the
updates,
as
of
february
3rd,
from
the
fire
marshal
and
our
senior
planner
heather
ireland,
and
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
might
have
on
the
topic.
But
again
this
was
not
meant
to
be
seeking
any
policy
direction.
A
It
was
just
to
give
you
some
updates
of
where
we've
gone
over
the
last
90
days
or
so
with
some
of
our
numbers,
and
I
see
counselor
golding
has
her
hand
raised
we'll
start
there.
F
I'd
just
like
to
add
a
few
comments
to
what
mike
said.
The
actually
there
was
a
there
was
a
senate
bill
that
was
sponsored
last
year,
also
mike
by
the
same
sponsor
that
that
brought
forth
the
senate
bill
this
year.
So
the
same
two
guys
that
you
know
that
sponsored.
F
The
biggest
issue
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
some
of
the
new
council
members
is
that
when
we
were
looking
at
this
ordinance,
the
the
biggest
problem
that
I
saw-
and
I
think
my
fellow
council
members
would
agree-
was
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
these
short-term
vacation
rentals
are
not
registering
with
the
state
like
they're
supposed
to
they're,
not
getting
licensed
they're,
not
licensing
with
the
state
like
they're
supposed
to
they're,
not
paying
the
taxes
that
they're
supposed
to
they
aren't
getting
business
like
the
business
license
from
us
as
well.
F
F
My
biggest
concern
is
if
the
state
preempts
it,
the
state
is
not
in
a
good
position
to
ensure
that
all
of
these
vacation,
rentals
that
are
in
each
of
these
communities
are
going
to
be
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing,
and
so
the
preemption
is
a
very,
very
bad
thing,
and
I
hope
that
you
guys
will
there's
a
way
to
sign
up
for
notifications
from
the
florida
league
of
cities
and
they're
already
pushing
out
notifications
now
about
the
vacation,
rental
preemption
bills
that
are
going
to
be
going
before
committees,
and
so
I
I
hope
you
guys
will
follow
that
and
and
get
involved
with
it.
F
But,
as
you
can
see,
though,
obviously
we're
having
a
hard
time
getting
them
just
to
register
with
us
too.
But
it's
with
it
being
closer
to
home.
I
think
we're
in
a
better
position
to
be
able
to
get
these
vacation
rentals
to
do
the
right
thing.
So
thank
you
for
the
update.
I
I
just
wanted
to
concur
with
sandy's
comments
there
and
that
I
we
just
mike-
and
I
just
emailed
back
and
forth
today
about
sending
a
letter
from
the
city
to
our
representatives
and
senator
and
we'll
send
you
guys
that
information
too,
but
it
would
be
really.
This
is
something
where
we
should
all
be
actively
lobbying
against
it.
It
takes
away
our
local
control
over
short-term
rentals
and
then
they're
not
going
to
call
tallahassee
when
there's
a
problem.
I
So
it's
going
to
be
up
to
us
to
deal
with
any
resulting
issues
or
challenges
that
short-term
rentals
present
to
our
community
into
the
neighborhoods
that
they're
in
so
I
would
say
this
is
one
if
anything,
if
you're
going
to
get
involved
in
any
legislative
issue
this
year.
This
is
this
is
the
place
to
start.
C
You,
yes,
I
I
strongly
reiterate
what
sandy
and
what
councilmember
golding
and
mayor
hoffman
have
stated
and
for
the
new
council
members.
I
don't
know
how
much
you
paid
attention
to
this
when
we're
trying
to
get
this
ordinance
passed.
It
wasn't
just
that
they
weren't
paying
taxes
and
registering,
which
was
important,
but
people
in
residential
neighborhoods
in
rs1
and
rs2
zoning
districts
now
had
hotels,
little
mini
hotels,
operating
right
next
door
to
them
or
right
all
around
their
houses
and
it
greatly
diminished
their
quality
of
life.
C
We
could
not
regulate
where
these,
where
short-term
rentals
were
located,
nor
the
length
of
stay,
but
there
were
other
things
that
we
could
regulate,
and
that
was
the
ordinance
that
we
got
past
that
if
this
passes
through
at
the
state
level,
will
be
thrown
out
the
window
of
concern
to
me
when
I
looked
at
the
data
that
steve
provided
and
thank
you
steve
for
this,
I
appreciate
it.
You
always
punch
above
your
wake,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
is
really
key.
C
When
you
look
at
the
rental
inspections,
how
many
did
not
pass
and
what
they
did
not
pass
for,
and
so
some
of
these
were
not
for
not
having
smoke,
detectors,
non-compliant
kitchens
and
bathrooms
and
that
those
can
cause
fires
missing
smoke,
alarms,
23,
didn't,
have
smoke,
alarms
and
they
rent
these
places
out,
and
so
that
puts
our
visitors
at
risk.
And
so
these
are
the
things
that
we
are
really
fighting
for.
C
That
we
as
a
community
should
be
able
to
say
that
if
you're
going
to
rent
out
your
house
for
short-term
rentals
you're
going
to
do
it,
which
is
fine,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
visitors
are
safe
in
our
community
and
we
should
be
able
to
say
what
that
looks
like
so
steve
great
job.
Thank
you
for
the
information,
even
though
it
was
disturbing
as
to
how
many
did
not
pass
welcome.
F
Yes,
sorry,
I
just
want
to
do
a
quick
revisit
and,
and
I
do
apologize
I
hope
I
hope
everyone
doesn't
think
that
all
I
care
about
is
the
money,
but
but
because,
actually
I
I
had
a
short-term
rental
that
was
behind
my
house
for
about
a
year,
and
let
me
tell
you
it
was
not
a
pleasant
experience,
and
so
I
understood
what
some
of
my
neighbors
in
other
parts
of
the
city
have
dealt
with,
and
it's
not
all
the
time,
but
unfortunately
it's
it's
enough
to
make
it
not
enjoyable.
F
When
you,
when
you're
living
in
your
home
and
you
you
have
like
loud
parties
late
at
night-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
cars
parked
everywhere
and
you
know
so
anyway,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
that
it
that
definitely
it's
it's,
how
it
impacts
our
community
as
well,
but
yeah.
I
I
I-
and
I
will
mention
too
I
I
am-
I
was
serving
on
the
municipal
administration
committee
for
policy
committee
for
the
league
of
cities,
and
this
is
the
number
one
priority
for
that
committee.
F
A
D
Thank
you.
I
want
to
first
think
you
know
the
previous
council
members
for
for
getting
this
done.
It's
a
big
issue
for
a
lot
of
our
residents.
I
heard
it
a
lot
when
we
were
out
campaigning,
so
it
is
a
very
important
issue.
I'm
glad
that
we
got
some
ordinance
in
place.
D
The
the
big
issue
that
I
saw
when
looking
through
this
and
thank
you
very
detailed
report,
but
it's
the
amount
of
non
properties
that
require
a
certificate
haven't
received
a
certificate
and
the
worst
is
that
it
haven't
even
made
contact
with
the
city
via
multiple
responses
from
or
sorry,
multiple
notices
from
host
com,
host
compliance.
So,
and-
and
you
know,
when
we
look
in
here
what
one
of
the
pages-
the
city
attorney
prevented,
presented
great
bullet
points
on
the
challenges
of
enforcing
it.
D
I
guess
my
thought
is
how
how
how
are
we
gonna
compact,
combat
this
this
issue,
because
there
are
good
ones
out
there
that
have
gone
through
the
steps
and
registered,
but
there's
also
a
lot
out
there.
Apparently
that
haven't
done
that
and
the
attorney
brought
up
some
really
valid
points
on
how
difficult
this
is
going
to
be
to
for
us
to
enforce.
That's
kind
of
point
one
is,
is
what
what
is
our
kind
of
plan
of
action
there
number
two
is:
do
we
have
something
in
place
for?
D
Is
there
any
other
company
out
there
that
can
do
what
host
compliance
does?
I
remember
we
talked
the
previous
council
talked
about
it,
but
I
can't
remember
the
exact
details,
but
you
noted
that
the
annual
fee
is
going
up
from
10
000
per
year
to
18
000
a
year.
It's
a
big
increase
there
is
there
somebody
else
to
do
it,
and
then
I
remember
on
third,
just
real
quick.
D
I
remember
the
previous
council
conversation
that
there's
a
there
is
a
number
to
call,
but
on
the
weekends,
when
a
lot
of
these
vacation
rentals
were
happening,
it
just
went
to
a
voicemail
like
if
you
called
on
saturday,
it
went
to
a
voicemail
and
then
there
was
follow-up
on
monday
and,
like
a
lot
of
the
people
were
already
gone,
do
we
have
have
we
have
we
got
something
in
place
now
to
solve
that
issue?
Have
we
worked
with
host
compliance
for
something
on
the
weekends?
D
A
Thank
you,
councilor
stokes,
to
to
maybe
just
touch
on
each
of
those
three
elements:
the
first
one.
With
regards
to
enforcement.
We
have
not
gone
down
that
road,
yet
we
are
still
trying
the
voluntary
compliance
route.
First,
we
have
had
a
lot
of
issues
going
through
covid
with
regards
to
getting
documents
through
state
agencies
as
an
example.
A
So
we
are
continuing
to
send
out
the
mailings
and
I
think,
if
you
look
at
the
latest
document,
that's
in
there
there's
a
recommendation
from
our
senior
planner
heather
ireland
about
sending
out
reminder
letters
to
all
non-compliant
properties
and
sending
out
a
letter
to
all
rental
properties,
which
would
mean
those
that
are
locally
governed
by
our
ordinance
and
not
covered
regarding
local
county
and
state
business
and
property
tax
obligations
and
regulations
to
remind
them
that,
even
if
they're
not
required
to
register
with
us,
they're
still
required
to
register
with
the
state.
A
A
We
are
inked
with
them
for
this
current
year,
but
clearly
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
year,
we'll
look
at
our
alternatives
and
then
the
third.
With
regards
to
the
call
number,
I
think,
you're
referring
to
a
number
that
would
need
to
be
posted
on
the
actual
rental
home
that
if
someone
had
an
issue,
you
could
call
and
get
a
property
manager
to
come
out
and
address
those
issues
and
I'll
have
to
take
a
look,
because
I
I'll
be
honest.
I
can't
recall
if
that
made
it
into
our
ordinance
or
not.
A
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
existing
council
members
can
remember
if
that
made
it
in
there.
But
I
know
that
was
a
topic
that
was
discussed
so
we'll
follow
up
on
that.
We'll
get
you
an
answer
on
that
one
and
yes,
steve.
A
F
Mike,
I
don't
think
that
I
don't
think
that
we
approved
in
the
ordinance
that
there
had
to
be
a
phone
number
displayed
at
the
property,
but
the
plan,
the
thought
was
that
once
they
were
registered,
we
would
have
a
phone
number
on
files
so
that
if
we
got
complaints,
we
would
know
who
to
contact-
and
I
think
part
of
the
when
we
look
at
these
numbers
that
host
compliance
gives
us.
You
know,
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure
how
many
people
are
calling
that
host
compliance
complaint
number.
F
A
C
Thank
you.
This
is
regarding
exhibit
c
the
city.
Attorney's
bullet
points
a
lot
of
great
points
there
and
it
does
look
overwhelming.
My
concern
is
just
because
it's
difficult
to
enforce.
It
doesn't
mean
that
we
shouldn't
be
enforcing
it,
especially
when
you
start
looking
at
the
reasons
why
some
of
the
the
of
those
that
we
know
who
tried
to
register
and
get
inspected,
how
big
some
of
the
in
fails,
why
they
failed
specifically
fire
and
safety
issues
and
so
yeah.
C
It
would
be
difficult,
and
that
would
be
another
difficult
conversation
that
we
would
have
to
have
as
to
how
much
we
want
to
invest
in
regulating
short-term
vacation
rentals
if
we
are
still
able
to
regulate
short-term
vacation
rentals
and
it.
C
We
won't
know
that
for
a
couple
moments,
but
so
if
we
are
still
able
to
regulate
them,
how
much
should
we
put
in
for
the
safety
of
our
visitors?
C
Because
that's
really
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
visitor
safety.
I'm
sure
there
might
be
some
people
who
have
family
their
residents
here
who
have
family
or
friends
stay,
so
it's
their
family
and
friends
that
their
top
tax
dollars
are
going
into
protecting
to
make
sure
that
they're
safe
in
these
rentals
as
well.
A
Well,
that's
your
update
on
short-term
vacation
rentals
for
for
this
briefing
and
I'm
sure
we
will
be
back
to
you
again
in
the
future.
K
What's
that
hey
mike,
I
can't.
A
K
We
do
have
a
section
in
our
code
on
the
requirement
for
the
requirement
of
the
short-term
vacation
rental
property
owners
are
required
to
provide
the
property
owner
or
a
licensed
agent
to
be
available
by
landline
or
tel
or
mobile
phone
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
capable
of
handling
any
issues
arising
from
the
rental.
J
J
K
Right
so
we're
thinking
about
putting
food
trucks
right
in
front
of
city
hall
for
mike,
and
I
no
we
so
we
were
posed
several
questions
to
look
into
the
possibility
of
whether
food
mobile
food,
dispensing
vehicles
or
food
trucks
can
operate
on
at
hoa
coa
properties
and
potentially
churches
and
private
schools,
and
what
is
the
feasibility
or
possibility
of
them
potentially
operating
at
duval,
county
public
school
property
in
the
city?
K
And
then
we
we
came
up
with
an
interesting
program,
but
we
were
asked
to
look
at
whether
the
food
trucks
can
operate
at
some
city
parks
and
recreational
facilities.
K
So
the
whole
team
worked
on
this:
the
parks
and
rec
department,
special
events,
personnel
city
manager,
deputy
manager,
clerk's
office,
fire
marshal
myself
and
the
senior
planner.
We
all
worked
on
this
project
together.
K
So
first,
let
me
tell
you
that
the
school
board
property
the
school
board
does
not
allow
food
trucks
to
operate
on
their
property.
They
have
a
very
valuable
federal
grant
program
which
they
operate.
Food
trucks
with
a
particular
vendor
and
all
the
food
truck
operations
are
done
pursuant
to
that
grant
pursuant
to
their
vendor
agreement.
They
won't
allow
any
other
food
trucks
to
operate
on
their
property
and
still
so
that
they
don't
jeopardize
that
federal
grant
and
they
also
don't
allow
for-profit
commercial
businesses
to
operate
on
their
properties
anyway.
K
K
So
we
looked
at
I'm
going
to
say
I'm
actually,
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
parks
and
recreational
facilities
and
then
maybe
we'll
have
heather
available
to
talk
about
hoa
and
coa
churches
and
private
schools.
Zoning
we'll
both
talk
about
that
together.
But
here's
what
we
came
up
with
again
team.
K
We
came
up
with
a
concept
to
create
a
special
event
program
that
would
allow
a
limited
number
of
food
trucks
to
apply
and
once
approved,
to
operate
at
designated
city
parks
and
recreational
facilities,
as
determined
by
the
city,
and
this
would,
of
course
be
a
program
that
would
allow
the
properly
authorized
food
trucks
and
I'm
not
calling
them
permitted,
because
the
state
doesn't
allow
us
to
permit
them
anymore,
but
properly
authorized
food
trucks
to
apply
to
the
special
events
department
to
participate
to
have
the
right
to
participate
in
our
program,
which
is
essentially
maybe
one
to
two-
probably
not
even
three
but
food
trucks
on
occasion
being
able
to
set
up
shop
at
our
parks,
and
that
would
be
worked
with
the
special
events
department
in
terms
of
coordination.
K
K
K
These
food
trucks
would
be
part
of
the
special
event
program
and
the
program
is
designed
for
food
trucks
to
be
made
available
to
the
residents
at
our
city
parks
and
recreational
facilities.
So
they
would
be.
The
food
trucks
would
be
required
to
go
through
the
same
guidelines,
standards,
requirements,
criteria,
inspections
by
the
fire,
marshal
enforcement
procedures,
an
application
packet
in
order
to
come
to
become
a
member
of
the
program,
and
we
put
a
cap
on
that.
K
If,
if
at
some
point,
we
offer
an
event
to
a
food
truck,
of
course,
and
the
food
truck
fails
to
show
well,
we'll
probably
have
to
remove
that
food
truck
from
our
program.
Because,
again,
this
is
a
city,
sponsored
concept,
city,
sponsored
plan
and
it's
a
special
event.
K
So
we're
treating
it
as
a
special
event
and
the
special
events
department
in
parks
and
rec
would
be
overseeing
this
program
and
managing
it
and
administrating
it.
We
would
have
to
we'd.
Have
to
design
a
detailed
policy
for
this
program
and
we
would
get
some
assistance
from
the
clerk's
office
to
do
this,
but
this
was
the
concept
that
we
came
up
with
in
order
to
perhaps
provide
park,
food
trucks
at
our
parks
in
our
recreational
facilities
and
I'll
talk
about
the
hoa
and
coa.
K
K
N
Okay,
great
thank
you
and
I
apologize
for
missing
the
short-term
rental
discussion.
I
did
have
to
run
off
for
a
second
for
pc
meeting.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
So
we
we
had
talked
about
allowing
food
trucks
in
some
of
our
neighborhoods
that
have
hoas
the
majority
of
those
are
pud
zoning
districts.
We
probably
have
a
few
hoa
neighborhoods
that
are
regular
zoning
districts.
N
However,
some
of
our
hoa
neighborhoods
that
are
not
in
pud
zoning
districts
may
not
have
that
common
open
space,
so
haven't
had
a
chance
to
really
look
and
see
where
those
neighborhoods
might
be
able
to
have
a
food
truck.
We
just
don't
quite
have
enough
information
on
where
there
actually
are
hoa
neighborhoods,
but
it's
something
we
can
try
to
do
some
research
on
see
if
there's
some
information
out
there.
N
As
far
as
the
the
condo
associations,
there
will
be
a
few
that
are
in
pud
zoning
districts
that
have
some
common
areas,
but
the
majority
will
be,
if
you
know,
like
our
oceanfront
condos,
for
example,
those
will
be
in
rm2
zoning
districts,
but
they
still
will
have
some
common
property.
Usually
the
parking
lots
will
be
part
of
the
common
area
where
a
food
truck
could
potentially
be
relocated.
N
Another
thought
that
we
had,
as
chris
mentioned,
was
not
the
public
schools,
since
we
learned
that
that
isn't
possible,
but
maybe
some
of
our
private
schools
or
church-based
schools.
That
also
would
have
some
areas
that
would
be
safe
to
put
food
trucks
if
they
were
interested
to
do
that
again.
The
majority
of
those
are
going
to
be
located
in
residential
zoning
districts
would
require
a
code
amendment
a
land
development
code
amendment
to
allow
them
did.
I
miss
anything
chris.
K
That's
it.
The
churches
and
private
schools
are
kind
of
one
category.
Hoas
and
coas
are
another
subcategory
of
that
group.
But
those
are
those
are
the
some
of
the
work
that
we'd
be
looking
at.
Is
you
know,
of
course,
amending
the
code
of
ordinances
to
change
the
zoning
if
we
went
with
the
city
park
and
recreational
program
or
facilities,
food
truck
program
we'd
be
designing
a
new
pro
completely
new
program,
a
policy,
an
application
packet
and
a
procedure
for
that.
K
Steve
has
some
good
good
input
on
some
of
those
two
and
good
idea
suggestions
but
ready
to
answer
any
questions.
A
So
we'll
start
with
counselor
stokes,
followed
by
councilor
dumont.
D
D
I
wasn't
selected
by
a
quote-unquote
selected
by
the
city
and
there
being
a
possible
legal
challenge.
There.
K
Yeah
they
they
wouldn't
have
any
standing
to
challenge
that
if
we
put
the
cap
we
were
contemplating
on
was
ten
it's
similar
to
when,
if
we
were
to
go
out
to
to
bid
for
tow
truck
services,
for
example-
and
we
determined
the
city
has
broad
discretion
to
determine
that
we're
only
going
to
contract
with
three
tow
truck
companies
around
in
our
you
know
that
we
may
get
bids
from
20
companies
we're
only
going
to
accept
three.
That
was
our
prerogative.
K
We
have
the
discretion
to
do
that,
we're
creating
a
special
event
program,
so
there
really
would
be
no
standing
for
the
11th
so
to
speak.
The
11th
truck
to
you
know
challenge
us
legally.
They
have
no
right
to
be
involved
to
you
know
it's
not
like
it's
a
right
to
a
license
or
something
like
that.
It's
a
program
that
we're
determining
how
many
we'd
like
to
have
in
there
and
we
would
circulate.
We
would
rotate
so
honestly
councilmember
the
real
problem
we
would
have.
K
The
legal
challenge
we
would
have
is
if
we
capped
it
at
10,
and
we
went
on
a
rotating
basis
to
try
to
be
as
fair
as
possible,
but
we
somehow
always
skipped
over
vendor
number.
Eight
for
some
reason
and
vendor
number
eight
never
got
an
offer
to
participate,
but
the
other
nine
did
then
number
eight
would
have
a
could
possibly
have
standing
to
sue
us.
You
know
he
applied.
K
He
went
through
the
process,
he
paid
the
fees,
he
was
qualified
and
was
a
was
abiding
by
all
the
rules
and
regulations
and
we
never
give
them
any
opportunity
to
participate,
but
all
the
other
nine
that's
where
we
really
get
into
trouble,
but
the
concept
that
we
that
we
have
is
to
rotate
and
give
as
many
food
trucks
as
many
fare
opportunities
as
possible.
K
K
But
that's
kind
of
that's
like
the
boardwalk
position
and
you'd
have
to
rotate
that
position
as
fairly
as
possible,
but
the
concept
is
to
be
as
fair
as
possible
to
all
those
qualified
food
trucks
and
also
to
provide
diversity
in
the
food
trucks
and
throughout
the
community
that
that's
that's
the
plan
and
we're
still
working
on
it.
We
just
came
up
with
the
last
couple.
J
C
I
don't
write
fast
enough,
okay,
so
I
get
I
like.
The
special
events
idea
that
you
guys
have
come
up
with.
I
I
think
I
would
prefer,
with
regard
to
residential
starting
off
a
little
bit
smaller
and
then
doing
the
research
to
figure
out
the
hoas
that
aren't
in
puds
and
if
they
have
any
common
areas.
So
I
could
see
easily
like
it's
easy
to
get
the
easy
or
the
low
hanging.
C
Fruit
are
the
residential
puns
and
get
it
going
there
in
the
common
areas
approved
by
the
hoa,
and
that
gives
you
more
time
then,
to
do
the
research
as
the
up
to
other
hoas
that
may
be
located
in
the
city
that
are
not
in
puds.
C
C
I
have
a
little
note
here:
if
the
city
is
rotating
food
trucks
in
and
out
of
parks
where
children
are
do,
food
truck
operators
have
to
be
quarried.
C
You
might
use
a
different
term
in
florida.
Do
they
have
to
have
a
background
check
to
make
sure
that.
K
C
C
Let's
say
it's
an
hoa
that
has
kids
the
hoa
invited
them.
This
is
a
city
inviting
a
food
truck
in
just
to
make
sure
that,
especially
if
they're
around
kids
to
make
sure
that
anybody
who's
in
that
truck
or
associated
with
that
truck
has
the
legal
right
to
be
around
kids.
E
Just
real
quick,
I
I
agree
with
councilmember
dumont
about
the
residential
area.
I
get
a
little
nervous
about
that.
E
I
think
that
I
agree
with
her
that
we
should
go
small
and
are
slowly
into
any
area
that
involves
residential
neighborhoods
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you've
done
on
this
everyone
heather,
chris,
all
everyone
has
been
working
on
it.
A
K
Yeah
there
was
another
another
question
that
we
have
on
the
agenda:
memo
which,
which
would
help
steve
a
great
deal,
and
that
is
the
bottom.
The
second,
to
the
end
bullet
point.
K
Do
we
want
to
institute
a
lbtr
local
business
tax,
receipt
annual
decal
system,
where
the
decal
would
be
once
once
the
tax
is
paid
until
it'd
be
provided,
the
decal
would
be
required
to
be,
and
there
you
go.
There's
steve's
example
that
would
be
the
displayed
prominently
on
the
on
the
food
truck
so
steve
and
other
enforcers
or
police
officers.
They
can
see
it.
They
know,
you
know
light
blue
is
this
year,
then
the
next
next
year
purple
is
this
year.
It
helps
them
go
through
their
process
of
enforcement.
E
A
Why
don't
we
jump
through?
Well,
I
see
heads
nodding
on
that
one
as
well.
K
Okay,
yeah:
do
you
want
to
go
through
any
particular
questions
on
that
mike
because.
A
J
A
So
we'll
start
with
councillor
stokes,
followed
by
council,
I'm
sorry,
yeah,
councilor
stokes,
followed
by
council
mesa
and
then
mayor
hoffman.
D
So
I
I
did
like
council
members
dumont
idea
of
starting
small
in
a
in
a
pud
until
we
can
get
our
hands
around
it,
because
I
I
wrestle
with
this,
because
I
like
food
trucks
and
a
personal
level,
but
I
see
the
challenges
that
they
could
present
on
the
city
level,
and
one
that's
got
me
thinking
is.
Is
I
like
the
idea
great?
D
To
get
retail
to
come
into
that
area
and
to
me
they
don't
food
trucks
and
restaurants,
don't
necessarily
go
hand
in
hand
because
a
restaurant
you
have
to
have
the
brick
and
mortar
space
you
have
to
have
the
restrooms.
You
have
to
have
a
lot
of
things
that
these
food
trucks
don't
have.
D
So
I
get
worried
that
if
we
open
up
the
downtown
to
food
trucks
that
we're
going
to
lose
the
actual
brick
and
mortar
restaurants
wanting
to
come
in
and
have
the
higher
capital,
investment
in
the
region
talked
with
several
several
restaurateurs
that
have
that
concern
and
and
the
more
I
think
about
it.
I
do
agree,
but
an
area
where,
like
sunshine
park,
where
you
don't
have
a
restaurant
and
the
city
doesn't
operate
a
snack
bar.
D
I
see
it
as
a
good
idea,
but
then
I
have
the
on
the
flip
side.
I
do
see
the
concern
of
if
we
were,
to
put
it
say,
on
on
latham
plaza
and
yet
we're
trying
to
get
a
restaurant
and
when
the
newly
developed
property
that
it
might
create
some
conflict
down
the
road
right.
H
K
Sure
we
will
not
be
allowing
food
trucks
close
to
a
restaurant
in
the
city.
Actually,
jason
has
determined
five.
I
think
five
really
good
locations
already.
That
would
fit
into
the
program
very
well.
I
can't
remember
all
of
them,
but
jason
if
you're
on
you're
able
to
come
in,
but
they're
not
anywhere
close
to
a
restaurant
they're
in
locations.
That
would
be
great
for
residential,
for
example,
for
example,
one
being
at
the
carver
center.
K
M
Yeah
well,
they
were
essentially
the
parks
that
were
conducive
gonzalez
being
one
tool.
Pines
was
another
one.
You
mentioned
juggernaut
and
yeah.
I
think
that
those
were
it
chris
right
and.
D
G
I
grew
up
on
food
trucks
in
california.
They
were
everywhere.
They
were
amazing,
it
was
if
you
wanted
tacos,
you
went
to
the
taco
truck.
If
you
wanted
some
really
nice
hot
dogs,
you
went
to
that
hot
dog
truck
and
it
was
delicious.
G
Now
on
the
chris,
you
were
you
wanted
some
direction,
and
this
is
just
what
my
thoughts
are.
You
were
asking
on
the
school
churches
and
hoas.
G
If
they
should
be
limited
on
how
many
times
they
should
have
them
or
if
they
should
have
unlimited
opportunities,
and
for
me
where
I
stand
on
this
is
if
they
want
to
have
a
food
truck
in
their
property
every
day.
I
have
no
problem
with
it.
So
that's
or
my
that's
my
thought
on
that
question
you
I
don't
know
how
the
other
council,
members
and
the
mayor
feel
about
it,
but
that's
just
I
feel
thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
just
real
quickly
on
the
on
the
background
check,
I
I
don't.
I
think
that
it
may
be
an
unnecessary
hurdle
and
expense,
because
the
food
truck
operators
aren't
going
to
have
unsupervised
contact
with
children
at
any
of
these
places
and
if
they
did
that's
a
whole
different
problem,
but
I
do
like
the
annual
permit
when
we
first
did
our
food
truck
legislation
that
food
trucks
had
to
apply
based
on
location,
so
they
couldn't
just
apply
and
have
their.
I
I
know
we've
changed
the
way
we
do
it,
but
for
each
location
they
had
to
have
a
separate
permit
and
fee,
and
everything
like
that.
So
I
do
think
having
that
one
identifiable
symbol,
that
we
know
that
they've
been
okay
to
operate
in
our
city
is
going
to
be
a
great
help
to
them
and
to
the
people
that
are
trying
to
host
them
as
far
as
the
park
locations
that
jason
just
mentioned.
I
I
think
that
going
back
to
miss
dumont's
terminology
of
the
community
parks,
I
I
absolutely
would
not
put
a
food
truck
at
tall,
pines
or
gonzales
just
because
there's
not
kind
of
that
natural.
Like
parking
area,
I
think
we
should
look
for
places
that
have
parking
seating
bathrooms
and
are
busy.
So
you
know,
tall
pines
park
might
get
10
people
in
a
day
and
it's
again
right
in
the
middle
of
a
residential
area.
So
I
I
love
the
idea
of
carver
center
huguenot
sunshine
or
south
beach
park.
I
Those
are
all
really
great
ideas,
but
I
think
those
smaller
quieter
residential
parks.
I
just
I
that
worries
me
a
little
bit
because
I
think
there
there
may
be.
We
may
be
borderline
nuisance
there,
but
so
I
think
we
need
to
to
ease
in
and
kind
of
try
this
out
on
the
more
obvious
logical
locations
as
well
as
in
in
the
hoa
neighborhoods.
I
think
ocean
k
is
a
great
example
of
of
the
perfect
place
to
start
with
how
they're
set
up
they
have
have
the
space.
I
So
so
I
agree,
you
know,
we've
come
this
far
easing
in
with
food
trucks,
and
I
think
we
can
kind
of
continue
just
just
to
take
steps
forward
like
we're
doing.
J
F
I
agree
with
mayor
hoffman
I
I
would
have
some
concerns
about
a
food
truck
at
tall
pines
park
because
it
is
extremely
residential
there,
although
with
gonzales
I
you
know,
I
might
be
a
little
more
open
to
that.
You
know
yeah,
it's
it's
it
doesn't.
I
mean
it's
definitely
very
residential
there,
but
it's
a
little
more
open
and
I
you
know,
I
think
it
could
bring
some
activity
to
the
park
that
could
be
positive
activity
and
the
homes
in
the
area
might
might
be
okay
with
it.
F
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
one
of
the
questions
on
this
list
was
times
of
use,
and
you
know
my
thinking
would
be
that
the
times
of
use
would
be
related
to
the
park
hours
that
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
we
would
want
to
allow
food
trucks
beyond
any
time
that
the
parks
are
not
open.
F
A
F
K
Yeah
just
one
quick
answer:
our
our
concept
so
far
was
that
since
parks
have
closed
at
sunset,
that
the
food
trucks
must
cease
their
operations
by
sunset,
we
would
we
would
be
encouraging
people
to
show
up
in
violation
of
our
own
code
if
we
had
them
visiting
our
parks
after
sunset.
So
we
would
operations
would
see.
E
Yeah,
so
there's
no
lighting
in
gonzales
either,
so
that
would
wouldn't
lend
itself
for
evening
time.
But
as
far
as
gonzales
is
concerned,
I
kind
of
agree
with
sandy
to
a
certain
extent.
I
think
that
maybe
you
tried
the
other
ones.
Excuse
me
councilman,
goldie
and
and
try
one
of
the
other.
You
know
try
the
other
ones.
First,
they'll,
let
gonzales
be
like
the
quasi
phase
two
and
we'll
see
how
the
residents
you
know
respond
to
that,
and
then
we
can
move
forward
from
there.
C
C
Is
there
a
way
that
we
can
call
out
churches
and
private
schools,
even
when
they're
in
residential
areas,
where
they
would
be
able
to
be
incorporated
into
this
because
they're
a
different
entity
than
a
non-pud
hoa?
They
have
a
common
area,
their
bathrooms.
C
K
J
C
K
C
C
Connected
to
conditional
use.
C
A
Just
so
you've
got
an
idea
of
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
council
itself.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
The
the
first
item
is
going
to
be
the
charter
review
phase
2..
If
we
receive
our
recommendations
from
our
consultant
in
time
to
process.
For
that
briefing
we're
using
cliff
shepard
out
of
the
orlando
area,
he
is
the
attorney
that
helped
us
with
charter
review
phase
one
and
will
be
helping
us
with
charter
review
phase.
A
Two
he's
got
some
thoughts
on
how
he
thinks
that
we
should
proceed
with
that
complete
charter
review.
But
again,
if
we
get
the
documentation
in
time,
we'll
have
it
and
chris
I
see
you've
got
your
hand
raised.
We've
got
it
we're
ready
to
go
okay,
so
that
will
be
the
first
item.
A
The
second
item
that
we'll
have
is
legislative
priorities,
we'll
be
reviewing
the
florida
league
of
cities,
priorities
that
have
been
established
for
this
legislative
session,
along
with
some
other
priorities
that
have
been
referenced
by,
I
think
the
northeast
florida
league
of
cities-
I
can't
remember
exactly-
but
for
the
most
part,
that's
going
to
be
just
a
review
and
approval
so
to
speak
of
what
we're
doing
there.
The
next
two
items
are
going
to
be
more
specific
to
the
board.
We
put
an
item
on
there
for
review
of
the
board
appointment
process
review.
A
One
of
the
things
that
the
new
council
members
are
probably
not
aware
of
is
the
current
process,
that's
in
place
for
interviewing
and
recommending
members
of
our
different
advisory
boards.
So,
given
that
this
is
a
new
council,
we
wanted
to
have
the
clerk
walk
you
through
the
process
that's
been
put
in
place
and
see
if
this
council
wants
to
make
any
changes
to
the
process
as
we
go
forward.
A
A
A
There
are
very
specific
requirements
that
are
listed
in
that
code
and
if
the
council
ever
wants
to
do
anything
different,
then
we
have
to
go
in
and
either
change
the
code
to
something
specific
or
make
it
more
general
so
that
you
have
flexibility
as
an
example.
The
only
reason
we're
able
to
start
the
council
meetings
at
six
o'clock
in
person
is
because
we
are
in
a
current
declared
state
of
emergency,
but
the
seven
o'clock
start
time
is
actually
called
out
by
code,
which
means
you
can't
start
the
meeting
any
other
time
except
seven
o'clock.
A
A
If
the
media
is
contacting
individual
council
members,
how
should
we
handle
that,
especially
if
it's
on
topics
that
have
not
yet
come
in
front
of
council
or
in
some
cases,
topics
that
have
come
in
front
of
council
so
that'll
be
some
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
on
february
22nd,
and
if
anyone
has
any
thoughts
before
we
get
to
then
feel
free.
To
give
me
a
call
and
council
member
dumont,
I
see.
You've
got
your
hand
raised.
C
I
always
have
my
hand
raised
the
I
just
have
wanted
to
ask
for
a
little
bit
of
clarity.
I
was
watching
the
last
cra
they're
very
good
meetings
to
watch,
while
working
out
makes
you
stay
there
for
a
while
and
they're
captivating
and
art
noted
that
mayor
hoffman
was
going
to
be
speaking
to
the
cra
about
their
trip
to
delray
beach.
C
How
does
this
work
with,
because
the
mayor
also
brought
up
at
the
last
briefing
how
one
of
the
council
members
could
not
speak
to
jacksonville
about
certain
things
that
might
be
coming
in
front
of
us,
mainly
the
the
tip
funding?
How
does
that?
How
does
the
mayor?
How
should
the
mayor
balance
speaking
to
the
cra
about
a
trip
that
would
have
financial
implications?
C
That
then,
would
come
in
front
of
council
to
be
voted
on
without
having
without
having
any
feedback
from
counsel
it's
going
to
appear
when
she
speaks
in
front
of
the
cra
that
she's
speaking
on
behalf
of
all
of
us,
when
we
have
not
even
heard
about
how
well
our
trip
has
gone.
I
Our
asked
me,
the
chairman
of
the
cre,
asked
me
to
come
and
just
present
some
just
the
experience,
some
photos
and
some
ideas
that
of
what
we
saw
there.
So
it's
not
intended
to
be
policy
setting
or
policy
influencing.
It
was
just
going
to
be
a
slideshow
of
things
that
we
saw.
So
I
don't
think
that
there's
really
any
sort
of
conflict
with
that
and.
I
So
I
I
I'm
certainly
happy
to
sit
there
and
be
available
for
questions
if
that
makes
anybody
on
this
board
uncomfortable.
But
it
really
is,
it's
just
bullet
points
of
things
that
we
saw
and
things
that
delray
beach
is
doing
with
their
cra.
That
should
be
exposed
to
rcra,
as
as
options
of
things
that
they
can
consider
doing.
C
Great
and
I
love
the
idea
of
you,
you
did
like
you
went
out
and
you
did
like
an
exploratory
mission.
I'm
gonna
call
it
that
you
are
on
a
mission,
and
so
I
like
that.
But
my
only
concern
is
that
the
cra,
because
it's
coming
from
you
is
going
to
see
you
as
the
mayor
and
assume
it's
coming
from
any
inference
of
direction
would
come
from
you
that
come
that
you're
representing
us.
C
C
I
think
we
should
have
another
one
prior
to
the
budget,
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
providing
a
recommendation
to
the
council
on
their
budget
and
the
tiff
funding.
The
bottom
is
50
and
the
upper
level
is
95,
and
I
think
we
should
make
sure
that
us
as
two
bodies
are
at
least
on
the
same
page,
because
that
does
have
a
lot
of
long
term
implications.
So
I'd
like
to
see
us
do
at
least
see
if
this
board
is
interested.
C
If
this
body
is
interested
in
having
a
joint
meeting
with
the
cra
prior
to
their
the
second
prior
to
them
discussing
their
budget,
which
would
be
in
their
march
meeting.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
this
board
is
interested
in
having
a
joint
meeting
with
them
and
then
we'd
have
to
ask
the
cra
if
they're
interested
in
meeting
with
us.
A
A
I
see
some
heads
nodding
thumbs
up.
Okay,
we'll
see
if
we
can
put
a
joint
meeting
with
the
cra
together.
C
I
think
it'll
be
much
more
fruitful
than
the
last
ones
that
we've
had
now
that
we
have
a
little
bit
more
direction
and
some
feedback
from
the
larger
surveys
and
the
strategic
visioning.
So
I'm
I'm
hopeful
with
this
and
there's
and
there's
a
there's,
a
purpose
for
the
end
of
this
meeting
as
well,
and
that's
really
just
to
be
informed
about
that.
Tiff.
J
A
Mary,
your
hand
is
raised.
Do
you
have
anything
else
you
want
to
wrap
up
with.
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
couple
things
and
as
far
as
a
joint
cra
meeting,
I'm
always
for
putting
a
meeting
together
with
them.
I
would
just
say
that,
ultimately,
the
policy
decision
is
ours
with
their
recommendations,
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
make
that
clear,
but
communicating
the
considerations.
I
I
always
welcome
that
two
things
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
really
quickly
during
this
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
who
all
was
on
the
blue
zone.
Presentation
that
baptist
medical
center
or
baptist
health
put
together,
there's
gonna
be
we'll
get
more
information
out
to
everybody
if
you
weren't
on
that
rollout,
but
baptist
is
going
to
be
doing
kind
of
baseline
survey
of
our
community
as
far
as
health
factors,
and
maybe
proceeding
with
this
blue
zones
initiative
in
different
parts
of
jacksonville
or
in
the
whole
of
jacksonville.
I
One
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
do
during
my
time
as
mayor
is
to
make
sure
we're
engaging
you
guys
in
the
areas
that
you're
interested
in
in
terms
of
representing
the
city
council
in
this
case
and
similarly
to
having
sandy
represent
us
with
the
north
florida
land.
Trust
is
information
gathering
not
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
council,
but
but
being
there
being
present,
represent
making
sure
that
jack
speech
is
represented
and
bringing
that
information
back
to
to
this
body.
I
So
I
know
chet
stokes
was
on
that
call
and
I'll
throw
it
out
not
to
put
you
on
the
spot
chat,
but
I
would
like
for
you
to
be
our
city's
representative
on
that.
We
probably
won't
have
anything
really
to
present
to
the
council
until
the
summer
time
when
they
are
finished
with
that
assessment.
So
I
can't
see
him
on
my
screen
to
see
if
he's
nodding
or
not,
but
okay.
D
Yeah,
I
can't
I
can't
speak.
I
can't
speak
to
if
anybody
else
was
on
the
call,
because
we
couldn't
see
participation,
but
if
that's
okay
with
everybody
I'd
be
honored,
I
really
enjoyed
it.
We've
got
a
a
nutrition
major
in
the
family.
Who's
also
really
interested
in
the
whole
blue
zone
project
probably
was
geeked
out
more
than
I
did
on
it,
but
I
I
did
also
thoroughly
enjoy
it.
D
C
I
Was
I
was
on
the
meeting.
I
So
if
you
guys
see
anything
else
like
that
that
you
feel
like
jackson
will
be
should
be
represented,
especially
if
you're
interested
in
being
that
representation.
Please
let
let
mike
know-
and
we
can
discuss
that.
The
other
thing
that
I'm
going
to
work
on
is
setting
up
downtown
hospitality,
business
meetings
and
I
what
my
goal
with
that
is
to
have
a
member
of
the
city
council.
I
It
does
not
have
to
be
me
every
time,
but
that
you
would
all
be
able
to
rotate
through
those
meetings
as
you're
available
or
interested
in,
but
we
would
only
have
one
council
meeting
there
or
council
member
there,
a
member
of
our
downtown
cape
through
the
police
department
and
and
a
member
of
the
cra
should
they
feel
interested
in
participating.
I
But
my
goal
is
to
have
the
business
owners
or
managers,
not
the
bouncer,
not
the
bartender,
but
the
actual
business
owners
or
managers
of
the
the
bars
restaurants
and
hotels
in
downtown
jacksonville
beach
and
so
the
initial
meeting.
I
will
go
ahead
and
participate
in
we'll
figure
out
the
locations.
I
would
envision
that
we
would
let
the
managers
and
owners
take
turns
hosting,
so
that
we
can
go
to
the
various
different
locations
and
let
them
give
us
guidance
on
the
frequency
of
those
meetings.
I
So
I
think
that
that's
going
to
go
a
long
way
to
those
business
owners
and
operators
to
know
that
we're
not
just
going
to
come
to
them
when
there
are
problems,
but
that
we're
going
to
listen
to
them
on
a
regular
basis,
and
this
will
also
give
us
a
chance
to
communicate
things
to
them.
One
of
the
things
that
will
be
coming
out
from
the
jacksonville
women's
center
is
sexual
assault
awareness.
I
We
have
issues
to
communicate
with
them.
You
know
related
to
covet,
perhaps
or
as
we're
coming
up
on
spring
break
special
events.
Things
like
that.
So
I
think
that
this
will
be
a
great
big
step
in
terms
of
having
a
good,
open
dialogue,
both
ways
with
our
local
business
owners.
H
If
we're
going
to
have
a
joint
meeting
with
the
with
the
cra,
I
I
would
suggest
we
have
a
very
well-defined
agenda
for
that
joint
meeting.
It
seemed
to
me
the
last
one
seemed
pretty
unproductive
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
fine-tune
it
to
be
able
to
get
something
productive
out
of
it.
H
The
other
thing
is
that
the
tpo,
I
believe,
elaine
brown,
is
the
representative
for
the
beaches,
the
previous
mayor,
and
you
know
we
were
able
to
get
30
something
million
dollars
for
our
drainage
issues.
I'd
really
like
to
have
an
ongoing
report
from
elaine
brown
or
from
the
tpo,
and
if
we,
because
we're
going
to
request
you
know
if
we
want
to
request
stuff
from
jacksonville
for
jacksonville
beach,
we
need
to
have.
We
need
to
have
a
voice
with.
H
H
With
and
with
the
previous
mayor,
he
was
able,
because
he
was
on
that
he
was
really
able
to
push
to
get
funding,
even
though
we
didn't
get
enough,
but
I
mean
you
know:
jacksonville
beach
was
heard
and
was
able
to
get
directly
to
the
governor
and
and
with
greg
evans
and
the
district
2
secretary,
and
and
really
push
that.
So
somehow
we
need
to
make
sure
our
voice
is
heard
on
that
north
florida
tpo.
A
H
But
I
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
way
with
that.
The
mayors
the
mayors
do
get
together
and
talk
about
that
specific
issue,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
funding
available
that
that
we
need
that.
We
could
utilize
out
of
that,
and
we
will
is
about
to
get
a
bunch
from
mayport
with
mayport
road
and
there's
a
lot
of
putting
going
elsewhere.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
get
our
share.
I
And
just
for
everybody
to
know
that
three
mayors
will
be
meeting
regularly
and
with
council
member
diamond
on
occasion,
and
then
there
is
always
a
pre-session
meeting
with
senator
bean
and
representative
byrd,
and
I
know
that
this
funding
for
atlantic
beach
did
come
up.
I
wasn't
able
to
be
at
the
meeting,
but
mike
was
there
so
so,
yes
roger
that.
H
I
will
attend
those
if
you're,
if
you're
not
able
to
attend
those
in
the
future.
Aaron
bean
did
call
me
to
see
if
I
wanted
to
attend
so
I
will
be.
I
would
like
to
be
involved
with
those
thank
you.
G
Yeah,
just
mayor
hoffman,
I
like
your
idea
of
meeting
the
the
downtown
hospitality,
so
I
am
here
for
you.
If,
whatever,
however,
I
can
help
count
me
in.
A
Okay
and
for
the
rest
of
council
vice
mayor
nichols,
I
like
your
idea
of
having
an
agenda
for
the
meeting,
or
at
least
some
outcomes
that
we're
looking
to
have
with
a
joint
meeting
between
council
and
cra.
K
A
I
think
that's
everybody's
hands.
I
think
we're
good
for
tonight.
A
Thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
for
your
patience
to
go
through
these
items
tonight,
but
it
really
does
make
a
difference
with
staff
getting
the
policy
direction
that
we
need,
and
with
that,
thank
you
all
and
we
will
see
you
next
tuesday,
at
5
25
for
the
closed
door
session.
Thank
you
very
much.