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A
Let
the
record
show
this
is
the
special
community
redevelopment
agency
meeting
the
date
is
wednesday
december,
the
16th
and
it's
5.03
p.m.
Madam
clark,
if
I
need
you
to
call
the
world,
please.
D
C
Samuel
hall,
currently
absent
jeffrey
jones,.
D
A
E
Me
the
meeting
minutes
monday
august
24th.
There
is
a.
A
E
E
A
A
Mr
chairman,
one
small
comment
on
page
three,
as
you
get
to
the
bottom
of
that
page.
E
Under
b,
it
seems
like
there
should
be
a
new
heading.
The
first
discussion
is
more
about
the
program
manager,
job
description
and
then
the
last
paragraph
suddenly
jumps
into
the
gilmore
contract
extension,
and
it
just
seems
like
it
needs
to
have
a
separate
heading.
F
D
People
to
go
back
to
research
in
minutes,
perhaps
if
we
split
that
last
paragraph
into
and
begin
a
new
paragraph
or
a
voice
quote
and
just
separate
the
discussions
a
little
bit.
Why
do
you
do
that
depends
on
the
problem
with
that.
A
A
All
right,
we
will
skip
over
that
just
in
case
he's
running
a
little
late.
I
understand
how
that
goes.
Newman
new
business,
mr
mann.
Yes.
F
Sir,
mr
chairman,
I
believe
everybody,
including
mr
mr
hall,
has
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
lot.
I
thought
the
consensus
was
that
they
would
like
to
go
for
who
would
like
to
go
forward
with
the
disposition
of
that
property,
so
I'm
formally
requesting
authorization
to
seek
an
appraisal
for
the
property.
On
december
the
7th
I
got
an
email
from
a
local
property.
Appraiser
glenn
hum
does
a
lot
of
residential
appraisals
and
tax
and
obese,
and
I
just
keep
the
money
local.
F
So
if
you
authorize
me
to
authorize
authorize
the
proposal,
mr
allen
indicated
he'd
give
it
to
us
within
15
working
days
of
the
assignment,
which
would
be.
F
Is
it
going
to
be
sir?
The
city
attorney
is
in
the
process
currently
of
working
up
a
new
procurement
procedures.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
manual
or
an
ordinance,
but
procurement's
typically
purchasing,
but
it
also
goes
the
other
way
in
terms
of
just
disposition
of
property.
The
standards
we
have
like
now
are
archaic,
they're
old
they're,
very
general.
They
don't
apply
and
don't
have
the
flexibility
we
may
need
in
disposing
of
this
by
the
cra
bylaws.
We
are
bound
by
the
city's
procurement
process.
F
The
city
attorney
plans
to
have
this
ordinance
for
the
new
procurement
procedures
with
the
city
council
on
january,
the
19th,
and
is
that
my
resolution
of
my
ordinance
I'll
explain:
okay,
okay,
but
anyway
after
that's,
adopted,
that's
the
process
that
we
will
follow
for
the
disposition.
I
don't.
I
can't
tell
you
what
chris
is
doing
because
he's
still
in
the
taxi
today.
A
F
Move
on
past
that
point,
and
at
that
point
we
will
have
the
new
procurement
policies
and
it
will
be
laid
out
out,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
going
to
be
options.
Chris
will
speak
to
that
a
little
he's
probably
doing
a
different
topic
tonight,
but
he
can
bring
that
up
when
he
speaks
to
you
a
little.
A
Bit:
okay,
any
questions
or
concerns
from
mr
man
about
this
looks
good
now
do
we
have
to
just
do
we
have
to
prove
that
yeah?
I
would
appreciate
approval
on
the
record.
Please
I
will
entertain
a
motion
question.
A
F
Man,
yes,
sir
karen
nelson,
the
deputy
city
manager
and
our
hr
director
and
youth
have
been
working
on
this
job
position,
feeling
and
karen's
here
to
give
us
an
update
about
where
we
are
in
the
process.
F
F
D
H
H
We
posted
the
job
in
october
and
since
then
we
have
had
a
total
of
25
applicants.
Only
one
of
those
one
meets
all
the
criteria
that
we
set
forth
in
the
job
description,
so
city
manager
and
the
hr
director
and
I
met
today,
and
so
we
put
our
heads
together
to
see
if
we
can
identify
what
we
believe,
maybe
the
the
pitfalls
in
either
the
job
description
or
the
process.
That's
keeping
us
from
getting
a
good
pool
of
qualified
candidates.
H
One
of
the
things.
The
first
thing
that
we're
going
to
recommend
is
the
job
title
and
the
job
cra
program
manager.
We
feel
that
may
not
accurately
reflect
the
administrative
nature
of
the
job,
and
so
there
are
some
administrative
functions
in
this
job,
such
as
minutes
and
record-keeping,
and
distribution
of
information,
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
may
or
may
not
be
typical
of
all
program
manager,
jobs.
H
So
we
feel
that
an
assistant,
cra
administrator
might
more
clearly
reflect
the
the
actual
duties
of
the
job
that
we're
along
with,
and
then
we
made
it
clear
that
his
position
will
report
to
the
director
of
planning
and
development
who
served
as
the
cra
administrator.
So
this
will
be
an
assistant
administrator.
H
H
H
And
other
than
that,
we
made
a
couple
of
just
language
changes
that
we're
recommending
in
the
job
description.
But
then
that's
that's
really
all
the
substantive
changes
that
we're
recommending.
We
would
like
to
repost
the
job
after
the
first
of
the
year.
I
think
also
we're
right
now
we're
a
victim
of
just
bad
timing
between
coven
and
the
holidays.
You
know
holidays
typically,
are
not
a
good
time
for
us
to
recruit
candidates
for
any
position.
H
With
the
changes,
if
you
are
all
in
agreement,
we
would
like
to
wait
until
after
january,
1
repost
the
position
with
a
new
title,
with
a
new
job
description
and
see
if
we
can
get
a
fresh
pool
of
candidates,
we'll
also
reach
out
to
any
candidates
who
have
already
filed
an
application
with
us
and
give
them
the
opportunity
to
either
refresh
that
application
or
will
keep
it
on
file
or
they
may
want
to
withdraw
depending
on
how
they
feel
they
meet
the
new
criteria.
A
H
Yes,
yes,
a
good
number
of
them
did
not
have
seven
years
experience,
but
they
had
four
or
five
years
they're
very
closely
related
packing
development
experience.
A
H
Well,
partly,
we
have
chandler
doing
the
minutes
and
she's
a
member
of
our
planning
and
development
staff.
Now,
certainly
it's
open
for
you
know
discussion,
but
I
think
that
bill
would
probably
be
able
to
tell
you
better
than
I
can.
We
have
limited
resources
in
planning
and
development,
so
if
we
had
a
dedicated
staff
member
who
was
able
to
take
care
of
those
administrative
functions
strictly
for
the
cra,
I
think
it
would
certainly
free
us
up
in
planning
and
development
to
use
those
resources
somewhere
else.
F
That
is
an
issue
for
our
department
right
now
and
budgetary
we're
providing
admin
support,
just
like
my
admin
support
to
the
maybe
just
think
about
that
as
well,
and
I
didn't
at
first
I
had
a
question
about
the
minutes,
but
the
only
thing
I'd
say
in
follow-up
to
that
is
that
we
have
a
bullet
just
says,
provide
advocates.
I
don't
know
how
you
know.
We
provide
administrative
support
at
cra
meetings,
which
essentially
is
what's
changing.
That's.
F
Dear
just
a
couple
of
quick
comments,
I.
E
Haven't
really
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
changes
that
you're
proposing.
I
think
you
know.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
yes,
I
agree
that
it
needs
to
be
called
down
a
little
bit.
I
think
we
were
much
too
broad
before
what
I
think
we
really
need
is
someone
who
understands
development
understands
architecture
is
knows
what
good
quality
architecture
is,
can
read
drawings.
E
E
H
A
little
bit
sure
I
mean
you
all
you
know
can
provide
input
and,
and
we
can
make
revisions
accordingly,
our
thought
process
was
if
they
need,
we
changed
the
seven
year
requirement
with
a
bachelor's
degree.
We
changed
that
to
a
three-year
requirement
with
a
bachelor's
degree
and
remember.
This
is
closely
related,
relevant
experience
that
we're
talking
about
that.
H
F
For
that,
okay,
I
think
we
could
probably
look
at
that
two
ways.
I
think
somebody
with
an
associate's
degree
will
not
have
been
able
to
get
their
foot
in
the
door
to
have
the
five
years
experience.
So
I
think
that
will
be
self-filtering,
but
I
kind
of
agree
with
gary
because,
if
you've
got
aaa,
all
you
have
is
it's
basically,
your
13th
and
14th
year
of
high
school.
It's
just
constant
general
concentration,
you're
not
declared
for
a
major.
F
I
Miss
nelson
thank
you
for
giving
this
to
me.
I
wish
I
had
a
little
bit
more
time
to
look
at
it.
H
I
Well,
but
I
I
have
a
problem
with
the
word
assistant:
I've.
I
So
I'm
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
the
word
assistant
personally
and
then
like
on
just
real
quickly.
Second
page
last
post
has
performed
other
duties
directed
by
the
cra
administrator,
which
implies
that
there's
a
syrian
administrator,
not
a
clinton
development
director.
So
this
is
assistant
to
the
sierra
administrator
who's.
Our
cra
administrator,
I
feel
like,
if
you're
going
to
have
them
underneath
this
planning
development.
But
not
it
should
be
alerted
as
directed
by
the
plain
development
director,
because
it
just
implies
that
they're,
not
even
the
person,
we're
hiring.
I
H
I
For
me,
even
though
it
says
that
it's
less
when
you
have
an
assistant
there,
and
then
you
have
this
back
here
it
just
if
you're
quickly
reading
it
like
as
we
are,
it
just
doesn't
read
well
to
me
and
it
kind
of
I
feel
like
it's
a
big
water
down
what
we've
been
trying
to
get
for
the
past
seven
years,
like
we
really
haven't
tried
to
do
this
forever,
and
I
just
personally
got
a
fan
of
this.
I
don't
like
the
assistant
part.
I
D
Jeff,
I
would
concur
with
that.
You
know
I
was
just
trying
to
come
up
with
a
word,
but
maybe
if
it
was
the
cra
coordinator,
that
kind
of
who
assists
and
serves
the
cra
administrator,
but
it
has
the
sound
of
a
responsible.
H
D
H
A
J
Please
I
was
okay
with
this
system
because
I
didn't
think
of
it
in
the
context
of
perhaps
you're
just
thinking
about
now,
for
instance,
I
thought
of
it
as
someone
who
is
like
an
assistant
secretary
of
housing,
urban
development,
or
something
like
that,
because
I
went
and
looked
at
what
job,
searches
and
javascript
has
got
all
the
functions
in
it
that
we
originally
talked
about
in
one
and
two
that
you
wanted
to
have
in
it,
and
that's
where
I
was
looking
at.
J
So
that's
why
I
was
not
concerned
about
that,
but
I
certainly
respect
all
your
points
and
they're
valid
and
a
lot
of
times.
I'll,
be
honest.
When
I
look
at
things,
I
don't
necessarily
think
about
titles,
which
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
I
look
at
what
they're
supposed
to
do,
what
the
performance
is
and
what
they're
responsible
for.
I
I
Now
know
that
you're
saying
that
the
assistant
part
is
more
like
it's
just
they're
assisting
us
and
personally
not
so
would
you
my
whole
big
thing
is
that
we've
been
trying
to
get
some
control
and
some
some
control
and
some
help
on
this
part
of
it
and
we've
always
talked
about
it
not
being
completely
taken.
You
know
being
diluted
and
I
just
feel
like
assistance
is
diluted.
Would
you
like
jeff's
titling,
better
where
it
says
coordinator?
Did
that
sound?
I
A
D
Yes,
if
you
know
I
had
a
trip
would
be
if
you
had
a
candidate
who
had
those
limo
qualifications
or
maybe
didn't
meet
everything,
but
blew
everybody
away
in
an
interview
and
was
felt
to
be
perfect
for
the
job.
D
You
know
they
still
have
to
be
interviewed
and
demonstrate
that
they
have
the
capability
to
do
the
job,
so,
whether
it's
five
years
or
seven
years
or
an
associate
degree
versus
bachelor's
degree.
I
think
we
can,
in
the
interview
process,
assess
whether
this
is
a
good
candidate
or
not
so
that.
A
H
We
and
that's
why,
I
would
say
any
combination
of
education
experience
the
first
line
kind
of
sets
the
standard
we're
looking
for
a
bachelor's
degree
in
at
least
three
years
of
relevant
experience.
But
if
you
have
an
associate
degree
and
five
years
of
experience
that
would
substitute
for
the
bachelor's
master's
master's
degree.
We
could
leave
that
in
there.
If
you
would
like
as
a
preferred.
H
Could
be
I
mean
that's
the
other
side
of
the
coin.
We
we
could,
we
could
absolutely
prefer
a
master's
degree
to
maybe
set
the
bar
a
little
higher.
You
know
set
the
expectation
a
little
higher
we
are
referring
currently
and
experiencing
the
cra
or
tax,
implement
district
and
or
economic
development
experience
and
public-private
partnerships.
A
Well,
quite
honestly,
I
haven't
seen
the
applicant.
I
haven't
seen
the
candidates
that
come
before
you
so
I'll.
Take
your
recommendation,
but
I
need
to
hear
from
the
boy
the
way
they
see
it
on.
I
you
know
I
think
you're
just
giving
us
your
advice
on
how
you
want
to
move
forward
gary.
Did
you
have
a
specific
amendment?
You
want
to
put
forward
changing
what
karen
has
put
before
us.
E
E
You
know
in
the
architectural
profession
in
order
for
one
to
really
get
experience,
even
after
going
through
getting
your
bachelor's
degree
and
getting
your
master's
degree,
you
really
don't
come
out
with
the
experience
level.
That's
necessary.
You
learn
that
once
you
get
out
into
the
field,
and
you
learn
that
over
a
period
of
time,
somebody
coming
out
with
an
associate's
degree
who
probably
hadn't
even
studied
architecture
or
construction
or
anything
along
those
lines,
because
those
degrees
are
really
minimal
and
as
an
aaa,
you
can't
get
a
bachelor's
in
construction
management.
E
I
just
think
that
they
need
a
much
broader
level
of
experience
in
order
to
truly
do
what
we
need
done
as
a
cra
coordinator.
It's
it's
a
very
specialized
area
because
we're
looking
for
somebody
who
needs
who
has
development
experience
who
knows
how
to
market
this
downtown
area?
Who
can
talk
to
the
downtown
business
leaders
and
so
forth
and
then
at
the
same
time
learn
how
to
work
with
the
architects,
the
contractors
subcontractors
that
we're
going
to
have
on
the
project.
E
A
I
have
to
agree
with
jeff
on
this
one.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
broadening
the
cone
and
bringing
as
much
people
in
as
possible,
so
other
than
changing
of
the
names.
Are
we
making
any
other
changes
to
karen
nelson's
request.
F
I
Fine
with
what
those
things
just
go
back
for
a
second
for
gary,
yes,
add
that
on
there,
that
makes
completely
sensitive
I'll,
be
right
back.
D
F
H
So
phil
can
I
for
clarification,
read
this
back
to
you.
What
I
think
you
said
for
bullet
number
two
would
be
provide
administrative
support
at
cra
meetings
or
at
all,
credences
administrative
support
at
all
cra
meetings
and
including
preparation
and
distribution
of
minutes
training,
packets
agendas,
resolutions
projects.
E
Generally,
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that.
The
only
comment
I
have
is
that
the
coordinator
will
be
doing
meeting
minutes
more
than
just
the
cra
meetings,
because
I
would
assume
any
meeting
that
he
goes
to
if
he
goes
to
a
meeting
with
a
developer,
to
talk
about
a
project
or
something
like
that,
there
will
be
some
set
of
meeting
minutes
that
come
out
of
that
that
are
available
to
us
as
the
board
to
look
at
and
understand
where
things
are
at.
E
I
Who
here
has
I
guess
we
should
really
ask
our
president
advisor
when
it
comes
to
experience
per
se.
So
jim
can
ask
you
a
question,
so
I
can
make
people
because
I
feel
like
I
don't
want
to
dismiss
scary
spot
on
this
and
I
feel,
like
the
two
of
you
guys,
have
one
that
I'm
literally
right
on
the
line
so
hypothetically
an
associate
degree
with
high
relevant
experience,
and
I
know
we
stopped
to
talk
about
age
but
mathematically.
That's
a
27
year
old
or
25
year
old.
I
I
J
J
J
In
her
career
that
she
really
had
heart
at
really
strong
work,
I
think-
and
she
has
in
three
or
four
years
taken
over
the
management
of
a
huge
county-wide
infrastructure,
strategic
management
that
we
have
as
coordinated
for
that
project.
So
it
so
much
depends
upon
the
person.
So,
if
you're
asking
me
someone
out
there
that
can
do
that.
Yes,
right
and
someone
suggested
that
y'all
know
the
answer.
That
is
absolutely
not
it's
not
going
to
happen.
J
But
I'm
saying
to
to
your
point:
there
are
people
out
there
that
have
that
skill
set
as
a
matter
of
time
and
going
to
an
interview
process
you'll
get
to
need
to
focus
on
the
shoulders.
I
A
F
F
It's
not
just
the
preparing
of
executive
summaries
and
presentations,
it's
actually
attending
council
meetings
and
presenting
the
city
council,
because
they're
actually
going
to
be
the
mouthpiece
between
the
council
and
the
cra.
I
think
it's
going
to
segue
into
some
of
the
stuff,
the
city
attorney's,
going
to
talk
to
you
about
communications,
that
neutral
party-
that's
not
a
member
of
your
group
or
their
group,
provides
a
perfect
conduit.
So
it's.
F
The
stuff
for
me
to
get
whoever
my
successor
is
at
city
council.
This
person
would
actually
be
preparing
the
materials
and
presenting
the
council
or
presenting
it
to
you.
So
I
just
if
we
could
I'm
not
sure
how
you
do
that,
but
prepares
executive
summaries
and
presentations
prepare
and
present
they
say:
yeah,
prepare
and
present
executive
summaries
and
presentations
for
slash
to
the
city
council.
Does
that
make
sense.
J
Michigan,
I
would
say
that
we
will
come
back
and
refresh
our
memories
about
the
internal
communications
plan
that
we
presented,
and
that
was
accepted
by
the
agency
as
well,
because
that
internal
communication
plan
relates
to
exactly
what
we
just
said
too
in
terms
of
city
council,
but
also
the
other
major
city
department
has
another
city.
Folks,
we
have
to
work
with
to
get
the
items
in
our
planet,
so
we'll
bring
that
back
to
our
minds
too.
H
F
A
H
A
F
F
B
So
the
original
topic
that
I
met
with
mr
man
about
was
to
just
remind
the
board
that
we
have
three
new
city,
council
members
and,
of
course,
a
new
mayor,
but
she's
quite
experienced
and,
as
mr
graham
has
a
very
experienced
with
committees,
councils
boards
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that,
on
a
very
consistent
and
regular
basis,
the
new
council
members
are
reaching
out
to
me
and
asking
me
which
I'm
glad
they
are
whether
they're
doing
this
right,
meaning
am
I
allowed
to
communicate
in
this
manner.
B
Am
I
allowed
to
respond
back
to
this
particular
person
in
this
manner
wanting
to
comply
essentially
with
sunshine
law
in
terms
of
them
being
an
elected
official?
So
I
wanted
to
share
that
with
you
as
appointed
officials,
that,
of
course,
as
you
well
know,
you're
held
to
the
same
sunshine
law
requirements
as
our
elected
officials
are
and
just
wanted
to
ask
your
help
to
try
to
help
me
help.
B
Likewise,
there
should
never
be
two
members
of
the
city
council
engaged
in
a
discussion
with
a
member
of
the
board
on
any
topic
that
could
reasonably
be
foreseeably,
become
a
cra
action
item
or,
of
course,
a
city
council
action
item,
and
you
are
all
very
experienced.
You've
built
your
positions
in
chairs
for
a
very
long
time.
So
you
don't
have
to
describe
those
potential
circumstances
for
you.
B
But
I
try
to
share
that
with
you
and
try
to
help
us
all
not
generate
any
sort
of
large
or
written
communications
that
may
have
multiple
responses
from
city
council
members
to
the
one
email
chain,
for
example.
So,
as
you
guys
know,
there's
you
can
send
out
an
email
and
if
one
of
our
new
council
members
responds
back
with
a
reply
all
well,
they
may
have
got
caught
in
a
written
chain
of
communication
that
is
now
gone
outside.
The
sunshine
law,
so
I
first
wanted
to
share
that
with
you.
B
B
Right
one,
member
of
a
board
and
one
member
of
another
board
or
committee
or
council,
they
may
speak
about
either
board
business
as
long
as
there's
no
other
member
from
that
one
of
those
boards
present
and
as
long
as
any
one
of
those
particular
members
have
not
been
designated
by
their
respective
board
as
having
sole
delegated
authority
to
communicate
and
engage
and
act
on
behalf
of
their
board,
meaning
they're
acting
as
the
board,
but
otherwise
yes,
one
to
one.
Absolutely
fine.
You're
allowed
to
have
that
communication.
B
The
sunshine
law
violations
come
about
when
you
have
two
members
of
the
same
board
engaged
in
any
discussion
outside
of
the
public
arena
properly
noticed.
First
of
all,.
I
So
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
gone
on
any
website,
there's
a
new
way
that
we're
communicating
with
our
city
council
and
I'm
feeling
that
this
is
directly
related
to
my
email
I
sent
out
because
you
can
no
longer
directly
email
each
person
individually.
It
goes
through
the
city
now
and
then
you
guys
forward
it
on
to
them
as
a
whole
and
personally
was
disappointed
in
the
turnaround
for
them
to
get
it
because
I
got
their
meetings.
I
I
was
on
the
agenda,
sent
it
to
them,
they
didn't
get
it
to
like
an
hour
before
the
meeting
and
then
during
the
meeting
they
said.
Oh,
is
anyone
still
interested?
They
never
got
my
email,
but
it
took
a
whole
four
days.
That's
kind
of
frustrating,
but
none
of
them
are
responding
to
that,
except
for
one
person-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
because
they're
not
getting
it
or
if
they
don't
think
they
can
respond
to
it
or
if
the
way
that
it's
given
to
them
makes
it
to
where
they
can't
do
a
one-on-one.
I
Because
it's
going
through
your
city
like
the
illegitimate
history,
I
sent
it
to
the
website
because
it
goes
to
everybody,
including
the
vader
and
and
then
the
city
manager
is
on
his
own.
But
it.
H
I
That
way,
and
then
someone
internally
forwards
it
to
them
saying
this
was
sent
so
the
only
way
they
can.
I
mean,
like
I'll,
have
one
person
reach
out
to
me
if
they
took
the
time
to
actually
write
a
whole
new
email
because
they
couldn't
do
it
through
that
system.
So
is
that
a
thing
to
be
causing
me
to
become
a
problem,
or
is
that
I
mean?
I
B
That
the
new
system,
by
the
way,
you're
you're,
absolutely
right-
that
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
is
this
system
and
that
you
utilized
it
not
that
anybody
was
greatly
troubled
by
it.
But
that
was
brought
to
my
attention.
I'm
not
familiar
with
how
the
system
works,
and
it's
so
new
and
I
think
you're
the
first
board
member
city
board
member
that
I'm
aware
of
that's
utilized
it
for
for
those
for
purposes
that
you
did
so
I'll,
actually
have
to
check
with
microkaren
about
yeah.
So
we'll
we'll
get.
I
I
The
time
dates
and
when
it
went
through
the
city
hall
yeah
right
and
the
only
way,
there's
no
way,
there's
no
way
we
can
do
it
any
written
community
set
up
now,
there's
no
way
we
can
do
a
written
communication
with
them
being
able
to
reply
out
because
it's
not
coming
to
us
they'll,
come
back
to
you.
D
I
Their
name
and
then
there'll
be
a
link
and
then
they're
in
each
one.
Now
it's
their
name,
their
picture
or
their
picture,
their
name
and
then
there's
a
contact
them
and
they
automatically
talk
to
all
these
all
city
members,
and
so
you
feel
like
it's
everybody.
You
get
one
email
you
copy
paste
into
it.
We
send
it
so.
B
Right,
I
will
you
know,
you're,
very
you're,
so
honest
and
you're,
so
in
tune
with
the
way
these
things
work.
Thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
me
and
yes,
the
council
member
did
contact
me
and
say
I
don't
know.
Are
we?
Is
this
proper?
You
know
again
the
message
I'm
saying
is
you
know,
council
members
calling
on
a
regular
basis?
Is
this
correct
we're
doing
this
right?
Are
we.
I
B
I
B
B
I
B
I
Now
I
have
to
go
to
everybody,
because
you
know
the
topic
says,
contact
and
says
all
these
people
you're
going
to
get
this
email.
It
goes
to
everybody
who,
if
I
don't
want
to
talk
to
them,
yeah.
I
A
C
Correct
so
I
currently
am
the
website
editor
for
the
planning
department,
so
I
can't
answer
to
why
it
was
set
up
this
way
right
now
and
how
it
was
different
before,
but
what
it
does
is
it
sends
it
to
an
email
and
that's
set
up
by
id
that
can
be
changed.
It
can
go
to
multiple
places
as
my
understanding,
so
it's
just
something
about
the
actual
editing
of
it.
That
needs
to
be
corrected
to
go.
If
you
want
to
go
back
to
the
way
francis
is
talking
about
it,
so
we.
D
C
The
same
thing
with
ours
that
if
it
goes
to
let's
say
I
wanted
to
talk
about
planning,
it
would
go
to
planning
javascript.net
as
a
general
mailbox
because
it
doesn't
want
to
go
to
me
because
I'm
not
always
available
and
I'm
not
always
going
to
be
in
the
office
but
planning
all
three
current
specialists
have
the
chance
to
look
at
that
box
and
board
it
on
to
the
proper
person.
So
there
is
someone
like
that
and
it
can
be
worked
out.
It's
just.
C
I
don't
know
why
it's
changed
to
this
method,
but
that's
something
that
can
be
fixed
with
it.
Software,
if
that's
the
choice
that
you
all
want
to
make.
So
it's
not
you're
not
limited
to
it.
There's
it
didn't
change
and
get
removed
from
the
whole
entire
website
in
general.
So
that
is
something
that
came
out.
B
Absolutely
appreciate
it
when
we
had
when
we
had
the
just
the
last
council
mayor,
latham,
doherty
vogelstein,
we
had
email
addresses
under
each
one
of
those
particular
council
members,
and
I
realized
those
are
no
longer
there.
But
of
course
for
example,
if
you
knew
mr
nichols
email
address,
you
you,
you
still
are
permitted
to
just
email
him
directly
and
just
you
know
you
can
still
do
that,
but
I
agree
that
website
has
changed
and
it
was
a
little
bit
easier
before
yeah.
Oh,
I
know
you're
not.
C
And
also,
additionally,
just
to
give
you
the
example,
this
was
recently
changed
for
us
so
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
it
can
be
changed
back,
so
we
go
to
planning
and
development
planning
and
development
department
has
three
divisions,
code
enforcement
building
and
planning.
So
if
I
click
on
planning
and
development,
I
can
tell
it
where
I
want
it
to
go
so
going
further.
C
If
you
guys
have
that
box,
where
you're
trying
to
get
there
that'll
go
directly
to
them
and
then
you
could
I
mean
that's,
why
I'm
saying
those
changes
you
could
change
it.
So
I'm
saying
I
want
to
go
to
planning
and
zoning
of
planning
an
apartment,
and
I'm
also
saying
I
want
to
go
to
code
enforcement
or
I
want
to
go
to
building
and
section
division.
So
that's
all
changeable
and
and
maneuverable
you
just
have
to
figure
out,
and
I
see
you
can
get
that
done
with
whoever's
responsible
for
the
city
council
page.
C
So
that's
the
option
is
there
and
you
can
also
do
it.
You
can,
I
believe,
select
multiple
departments,
because
I
know
I've
seen
it
come
to
us
and
public
works,
even
though
it's
not
ours
or
their
specific
related
item,
it
can
go
to
both
places,
so
that
might
be
the
possibility
of
just
specifically
one
person
or
you
can
select
all
board
members.
If
that's
what
you
wanted
to
have
right
so.
B
F
And
this
is
mainly
because
I
do
orientation
for
all
board
of
desperate
members
new
cra
members,
new
planning,
commission
members.
This
relates
to
your
it's
okay,
to
have
one-on-one
conversations.
What
I
tell
them
is:
can
we
talk
to
applicants
and
same
as
an
individual
c
or
e?
Remember
talking
to
council,
I
say:
there's
no
problem
with
you
doing
it
one-on-one,
but
you
cannot
solicit
what
their
opinion
is
going
to
be
and
you
cannot
try
to
steer
what
their
opinion
is
going
to
be
about
an
upcoming
decision.
F
It's
okay,
to
talk
at
some
some
council,
some
board
members
love
to
get
additional
information.
Hey.
We
didn't
see
this
on
this
plan,
but
you
got
to
stop
at
that
and
you
can't
go
beyond
that
and
say
well,
if
I
change
it
to
this,
would
you
support
it?
That's
when
it
gets
a
little
dicey
right
it
does
that
accurate
yeah,
that's
accurate,
so
that's
not
generally!
One-On-Ones
are
fine.
It's
still.
You
gotta
stick
to
just
exchanging
information,
not
trying
to
establish
positions,
find
out
how
somebody
feels
about
it,
whether
they
support
it
or
not.
B
Right
and
gain
knowledge
as
to
which
way
the
person
is
going
to
vote
and
what
they're
doing
and
then,
of
course,
you
know
the
surest
way
of
exposing
or
keeping
all
those
discussions
in
the
sunshine
is
just
to
explain
any
conversations
you
have
on
the
matter
once
you're
at
a
public
meeting
photo
quote
ex
parte
communications
and
just
share
the
discussion
on
the
record.
As
briefly
as
you
can,
I've
met
with
mr
smith
and
here's
what
we
talked
about.
B
Functions
but
yeah
yeah,
so
so,
yes,
that
was
one
of
the
first
topics.
Actually
that
was
really
the
only
topic
that
bill
and
I
spoke
about,
but
I
wanted
to
add
that
on
that
note,
the
coordinator
position
is
going
to
be
a
useful
of
many
useful
purposes,
but
an
additional
purpose
would
be,
as
you
were,
all
speaking
about
the
coordinator
coming
before
the
city
council.
B
So
this
person
is
not
an
appointed
board
member
but
is
actually
an
employee,
and
so
this
helps
open
up
more
opportunities
for
communication.
You
know:
there's
there's
some
guidelines
that
would
still
apply,
but
that's
going
to
help
a
lot
in
terms
of
communication.
That'll
be
great
and
I'll
be
glad
to
work
with
the
coordinator
to
be
sure
that
we're
going
down
the
right
path
to
make
sure
all
the
communications
within
the
law,
but
also
very
productive
for
both
cra
and
city
council
would
be
great
yeah.
That's
gonna
be
really
really
good.
Okay,.
G
B
Just
the
other
item
that
mr
mann
mentioned
about
procurement
purchasing
sale,
just
don't
want
to
get
anyone
anyone's
hopes
up,
but
the
big
overhaul
of
the
city,
procurement
policy
code,
purchasing
policy
and
code
that
work
is
going
to
take
us
some
time
that
involves
a
lot
of
staff.
It's
a
very
work,
labor-intensive
project
that
involves
myself
our
procurement
officer,
actually,
our
chief
financial
officer
and
a
couple
of
other
employees,
so
that
huge
overhaul
is
part
of
our
council
initiatives
and
council
priorities.
We
have
about
seven
or
eight
of
those.
B
So
that's
in
the
mix.
However,
what
I
am
doing
is
I'm
just
putting
forward.
Now
is
something
that
really
might
not
relate
too
much
to
what
the
cra
work
is,
but
it's
essentially
codifying
a
city
manager
delegated
authority
delegated
by
the
city
council
to
sell
and,
in
some
cases,
dispose
of
in
certain
manner
small
or
non-conforming
surplus
real
estate.
B
B
City
manager
will
be
delegated
authority
to
dispose
of
surplus
personal
property
in
a
particular
way,
and
so
the
city
council
no
longer
has
to
do
that,
but
that
the
city
manager
will
have
the
administrative
authority
to
declare
and
dispose
of
certain
surplus
personal
property.
So
those
are
the
two
changes
that
are
working
on
immediately.
None
of
them,
neither
of
those
I
think,
are
going
to
impact
cra
much,
but
the
larger
overhaul
of
the
entire
purchasing
procurement
and
sales
code
that'll
be
happening
in
2021
so
and
that
that
will
impact.
B
What
I
think
is
the
majority
of
you
know
it
will
impact
the
cra's
work
then,
finally,
and
ashley's
going
to
talk
about
it
in
detail,
but
I
finalized
the
ila
with
c
with
city
of
jacksonville
and
the
ordinance
regarding
tiff
refund,
and
worked
that
through
the
office
of
general
counsel
at
city
of
jacksonville.
B
B
B
E
Gary,
I
guess
I'm
floored,
we
haven't
been
given
any
information
in
reference
to
that.
You
know,
when
do
we
as
a
board
get
that
information
so
that
we
can
review
it
and
make
our
recommendation
appropriately
in
reference
to
it,
because
there's
nothing
I
didn't
even
know
you
were
working
on
this.
A
F
But
yes,
return
through
the
chair,
the
information
you're
fixing
to
discuss
with
the
cfo
has
built
in
that
fifty
percent
of
production
so
you'll
see.
This
is
what
I
told
you.
The
city
manager
task
myself
and
the
cfo
to
our
side
come
up
with
the
projects
list,
which
we
did
the
cfo
from
her
side
to
come
up
with
the
cash
flow
list.
You
will
see
the
synthesis
of
that
product
through
2030.
Is
that
correct?
Actually
so
we're
fixing
to
hear
that
right
now?
I
understand
that
bill,
but
what
I
don't.
E
A
A
K
So
as
bill
mentioned
from
your
last
meeting,
when
you
guys
went
through
the
project
list,
the
question
arises:
how
does
how
did
this
kind
of
project
aligned
with
the
fifty
percent
reduction
in
the
tip
revenues
and,
as
you
remember,
we
returned
to
monies
in
2019
and
we
budgeted
in
2020
and
2021
for
that
50
to
collect
grade.
K
So
both
the
cra's
budget
and
the
city's
budget
anticipated
that
50
collection
rate,
so
in
your
packets
that
went
out
with
the
agenda
and
then
up
on
the
screen
is
kind
of
a
summary
cash
flow
of
what
this
authentic
revenues
and
expenses
look
like
through
2030.
K
K
So
the
things
I
kind
of
want
to
point
out
to
you,
as
I
said
before,
the
revenue
anticipates
a
50
collection
rate,
and
so
that's
roughly
2.5
million
dollars
a
year
that
the
southern
tip
would
still
collect
and
we're
anticipating
an
average
growth
of
two
percent
per
year.
I
can
tell
you
over
the
last
10
years
it's
been
an
average
growth
of
five
percent.
K
The
administrative
expenses
are
included
two
and
a
half
percent
agriculture
and
the
maintenance
program,
which
I
really
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
includes
the
parks
programs
that
the
agency
has
approved
and
then
a
storm
water
maintenance
program,
that's
still
in
development,
but
we
have
earmarked
funds
every
year
to
anticipate
about
250
000
a
year,
also
increasing
at
2
for
the
next.
You
know,
20
years.
K
A
I
have
one
quick
question
before
I
sit
gary
on
you
when
this
goes
before
the
council
on
the
19th.
Is
this?
Is
this
an
ordinance
or
is
this
going
to
go
off
with
two.
A
K
E
This
is
what
I
was
looking
for.
You
know
a
couple
of
months
ago
that
you
can
really
get
your
arms
around
where
all
the
dollars
are
in
basically
two
sheets.
E
But
when
I
go
through
your
numbers,
what
I
came
up
with
was
23
million,
so
I
haven't
been
able
to
reconcile
at
all
yet,
in
my
own
mind,
I
think
we're
close,
but
we
still
need
some
time
to
reconcile
it
plus.
I
think
this
board
also
needs
some
time
to
sit
down
and
figure
out
where
we
go
into
the
future.
E
What
else
is
there
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
and
doing,
as
we've
already
talked
about
doing,
additional
multi-use
paths
and
things?
To
that
extent,
you
know
what
are
we
going
to
do
with
these
surplus
properties
that
we
have?
We
want
to
turn
them
into
parks
and
things.
So
that's
it.
None
of
that
right
now
is
reflected
in
your
numbers
and
ultimately,
we
as
a
board
need
to
come
to
some
kind
of
consensus
resolution
as
to
what
we
want
to
do
moving
forward
some
of
these
projects.
E
In
my
opinion,
I
don't
know
why
we
don't
move
them
forward.
You
know
why
we've
gotten
spread
out
as
far
as
the
ones
that's
already
been
talked
about,
as
an
example
is
the
redoing
of
the
playground
at
sunshine
park.
Why
not
move
that
forward?
We've
got
the
funds
available
to
do
it.
Let's
move
it
forward
and
get
that
project
done,
and
let
the
residents
appreciate
the
improvements
that
we
can
do
same
thing
with
the
lighting
and
sunshine
park,
spread
it
out
over
three
years.
Why
don't
we
just
get
it
done?
E
We've
got
the
funds
to
do
it,
let's
get
in
there.
Let's
create
some
safe
lighting
for
all
of
the
residents
that
use
that
part
later
in
the
evening.
It's
that
kind
of
discussion.
I
think
that
really
needs
to
happen
at
this
board
level,
and
I
think
once
we've
done
that,
then
I
think
we
can
get
even
a
clearer
picture
of
where
we
are,
because
you
know
in
2025
we're
showing
only
one
million
dollars
left
over
in
our
reserve.
E
So
I
I
I
just
have
questions
it's
not
that
I'm.
You
know
I'm
one
side
of
the
fence
or
the
other
side,
but
I
just
have
questions.
I
want
us
to
do
a
good
job
of
planning
and
looking
down
the
road,
because
at
the
some
point,
there's
going
to
be
a
sunset
situation
where
2047
there
is
no
cra
anymore.
All
of
a
sudden
the
burden
of
all
the
costs
for
whatever
there
is
in
the
way
maintenance
falls
onto
the
city.
I
I
I
agree
I'm
very
happy
with
the
way
this
is
laid
out.
I
finally
feel
like
I
really
have
a
better
grasp,
so
thank
you
very
much
for
that
work.
I
have
two
questions,
one,
who
is
the
one
that's
deciding
to
put
this
on
city
council's
agenda
in
january
right
mike?
I
I
may
have
this
question
for
you
then,
but
we
as
a
board
have
been
working
against
headwinds
to
get
some
kind
of
traction
for
what
we
are
as
a
board
are
supposed
to
be
able
to
do,
and
I
personally
feel
like
this
is
jumping
the
gun
and
putting
it
on
there
before
we
get
our
very
first
budget
discussion
ever
since
I've
been
on
board
feels
like
we're
getting
the
right
pull
from
underneath
us,
it
feels
a
little
bit
like
sabotage.
I've,
never
gotten
intentional.
I
So
I
would
agree
with
gary
that
if
we
haven't
as
a
board,
had
a
chance
to
digest
where
we
would
like
the
boards
to
focus
on
and
we're
finally
having
our
first
budget
meeting,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
our
members
reflected
in
this
before
council
can
basically
take
the
money
redirected.
I
I
realize
that
they're
expecting
money
for
their
own
budget,
but
I
think
since
his
tif
funds,
we
as
a
board
should
at
least
have
to
say
so
I
don't
know
necessarily
if
it's
something
we
can
request
of
you
to
delay,
so
we
can
at
least
have
those
discussions
or,
if
there's
a
desired,
need
to
have
it
done
now.
I
guess
I
just
this
is
the
first
time
we
finally
feel
like
we're
getting
somewhere
and
it
just
seems
like
the
preemptive
move.
G
It
does
pose
a
problem
not
just
within
our
own
audit
system,
but
also
at
the
city
of
jacksonville
and
then
also
starts
to
raise
questions
about
what
is
the
validity
of
keeping
the
cra
going
forward?
I
don't
want
to
fall
into
that
trap
of
having
an
agency
outside
of
our
control,
such
as
the
city
of
jacksonville
or
possibly
the
state.
Looking
at
us
and
saying
you
are
not
supposed
to
travel.
Why
would
you
want
to
see
our
labor
force?
G
I
think
a
couple
of
meetings
that
we've
had
virtually
over
the
past
several
months.
I've
expressed
my
concerns
about
needing
to
share
the
funds
about
other
portions
of
the
city.
Your
job
is
to
look
after
the
two
cra
districts.
My
job
is
to
look
up
for
the
entire
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
I
know
that
there
are
unmet
needs
in
other
portions
of
the
city.
I
also
know
that
ashley
has
done
a
financial
analysis,
not
just
with
the
cra,
but
also
taking
a
look
at
our
own
financials
within
the
general
fund
building
florida.
G
You
should
have
the
input
and
give
us
a
provider
recommendation
from
council,
but
I
do
want
to
put
this
item
back
in
front
of
the
city
council
sooner
rather
than
later,
to
make
a
decision,
because,
actually
for
her
five-year
forecasting
on
the
general
fund
needs
to
know
whether
we're
basically
playing
russian.
With
a
letter
of
the
year
as
to
whether
or
not
the
funds
are
going
to
be
coming
back
or
not,
and
we
also
need
to
minimize
our
risk
with
regards
to
money.
A
Wait
so
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
you
may
be,
and
we'll
probably
take
our
vote
on
this
before
we
move
forward,
but
you
may
be
pushing
back
to
march
because
I
think
our
first
budget
meeting
is
going
to
be
in
february
so
by
the
time
we're
actually
sitting
down
looking
at
the
numbers.
So
if
you're
still
fine
with
that,
we
will
go
from
there
we'll
talk
about
it
and
make
a
recommendation
one
way
or
the
other.
But
you're
talking
february.
I'm
sorry
you're
talking
march
and
not
february,.
G
First
to
you're
going
to
first,
you
need
to
start
the
needs
to
first
start
modifying
the
plan
and
the
chances
of
vetting
out
those
financial
changes
and
modify
the
plan
in
time
for
the
fiscal
year.
2022
budget
is
probably
not
going
to
be
slim
or
unrealistic
to
accomplish,
which
means
the
decisions
you
make
over
the
next
six
to
eight
months
are
really
going
to
be
for
looking
for
fiscal
year
2023
and
beyond.
G
So
that's
that's
a
time
frame
that,
frankly
from
the
city
side
of
the
ledger,
we
can't
wait
that
long
to
make
a
decision
on
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
central
tip.
But
if
we're
talking
about
march,
I
think
that's
probably
something
that
we
could
do
we're
still
in
the
budget.
Preparation
at
that
point
and
you'll
be
updated.
I
The
how
it
could
be
affecting
the
military,
we
don't
really
have
those.
Yes,
we
can
go
online
and,
yes,
that's
finally
been
updated.
It's
nice
to
be
able
to
see
those
documents
online,
so
that
is
nice.
Finally,
we
have
that
so
we
I
wasn't
thinking
military,
nothing
reason.
So
I
can.
I
That
being
a
reason
of
looking
as
a
whole,
I
get
that,
but
I
also
understand
so
hypothetically
just
assuming-
and
maybe
you
can
clarify
this,
but
like
I'm
looking
at
certain
projects,
we
were
talking
about
moving
forward,
possibly
like
sunshine
park
that
would
reduce
it's
like
it's
going
to
be
say
six
million
dollars
for
that
year.
I
If
we
move
every
from
one
year
forward
up
when
we
have
this
gap
from
2023
and
2024,
when
we
have
a
huge
drop
in
our
assets
because
that's
when
it
all
kind
of
gets
caught
up,
I'm
thinking
like
if
we
moved
it
up.
What
would
that
like
if
we
end
the
year
with
2006
and
you're
20
23,
assuming
we
do
this
and
we
use
the
projects
on
the
schedule
they
on?
I
K
So
budget
is
always
a
plan
and
then,
as
priorities
shift,
we
amend
that
plan
and
to
your
question
is:
what's
an
adequate
fund
balance
at
the
end
of
any
year.
Typically,
we
like
to
keep
on
hand
beginning
any
fiscal
year,
at
least
three
months
worth
of
expenditures,
administrative
expenditures
and
then
we'd
like
to
have
the
capital
project
funding
for
that
particular
year
on
hand.
So
we
would
probably
want
to
go
back
and
kind
of
remodel
this
if
we
want
to
move
the
priority
for
order
of
the
projects.
I
We
could
then
say
you
know
we
really
like
to
have
this
much
money
on
hand
at
all
times,
and
we
can
decide
maybe
redirect
that
formula
that
you
guys
may
propose
to
council
instead
of
going
from
going
to
85
to
50.
Maybe
it
would
be
like
85
to
65
or
something
can
we
play
with
that
number?
Is
that
a
realistic
process,
or
is
that
just
too
much
again?
I'm
just
I'm.
D
K
I
would
say
that,
and
you
have
the
flexibility
in
adjusting
the
collection
rate
at
any
any
rate
down
to
50
right,
but
I
would
ask
what's
the
difference
between
60
and
50
in
one
year
when
you
look
at
the
kind
of
the
third
like
the
23
year
horizon,
I
think
that
there's
opportunity
for
the
agency
to
achieve
its
goals
with
a
50
collection
rate,
because
when
you
look
at
the
out
years,
you
know
everything
in
the
plan
is
accomplished,
and
you
know
to
mr
slovakia's
statement.
I
I'm
just
wondering
the
only
difference
between
the
answer
that
question
over
the
time.
The
only
difference
to
me
is
what
is
that
buffer,
what
the
buffer
covers
and
if
we
did
push
certain
right
and
we're
putting
it
through
capital
improvements
and
that
we
were
trying
to
get
done
in
a
certain
timeframe,
say
10
years.
D
I
D
I
What
we're
having
as
reserves-
that's
all
I'm
asking
so
it's
like.
If
we,
if
we
get
the
opportunity
to
do
this,
we
can
have
discussion.
What
do
we
want
to
make
sure
is
always
in
the
bucket.
What
do
we
project
giving
up
going
forward
and
yes,
we're
good
with
this,
but
we
might
need
to
have
a
little
bit
less
being
taken
away.
Something
like
that.
I
just
want
to
see
if
that
was
something
to
discuss
if
we
give
them
the
opportunity.
So
thank
you
for
answering
those
questions.
I
appreciate
it.
A
The
board
has
got
to
remember
this.
This
is
more
of
the
optics
than
anything
else.
I
can
tell
you
in
tallahassee,
they've
done
a
lot
of
reforms
when
they
come
to
cras
and
I
see
having
a
fun
balance
as
mike
said
earlier,
like
we
have
here,
and
they
draw
unwanted
attention
from
people.
So
I
get
where
they're
coming
from.
I
get
the
the
mentality
of
you
know.
A
Maybe
we
should
kind
of
pat
this
down
a
little
bit,
so
we're
not
obvious,
but
I
do
understand
where
both
you
and
gary
are
coming
from
and
if
I
remember
correctly,
you
and
bill
put
together
like
a
report
on
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
south
end
for
the
next
20
30
years.
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
get
a
copy
of
that
report
because
I
think
that
helps
us
have
this
conversation
in
january
and
february
to
make
this
recommendation
we're.
F
Talking
about,
I
have
to
refer,
I'm
not
sure
what
report
you're
referencing.
This
is
the
gist
of
the
information
that
would
have
been
in
that
report,
but
this
is
just
now.
We've
just
now
come
up
with
this.
Well,
I
just
we
just
got
the
incoming
projections,
but
other
than
having
the
projects
that
are
programmed
in
the
cip.
That's
all
we
have
to
go
on
well,
I
just
know.
A
F
E
I
guess
it
would
have
been
helpful
to
receive
the
memo
that
you
sent
to
city
council
back
on
september
3rd
for
this
board
to
also
have
seen
that
memo,
because
it
does
outline
your
concerns,
and
you
know
some
of
the
analysis
as
it
relates
to
the
south
beach
district
and
the
returning
of
the
funds.
I
don't
know
that
I
just
happen
to
get
a
copy
of
it.
I
don't
know
that
any
other
board
members
have
seen
that
you're,
probably.
E
Council
that
talks
about
tiff
funding
that
council
person
dumont
asked
you
about
how.
E
G
And
the
impact
if
these
monies
aren't
given
back
and
so
forth,
can
not
only
that
available
to
the
cra
board.
Just
for
your
edification,
a
council
member,
do
not
have
asked
the
question
what
happens
to
the
general
fund
if
this
money
that
was
planned
on
and
transferred
to
the
general
fund
does
not
come
through
and
ashley
did
a
forecasting
taking
a
look
at
it
effectively.
G
It
was
a
750
000
reduction
to
the
general
fund
and
the
estimate
was,
I
think,
somewhere
in
about
year
two
of
year
three,
we
would
have
to
look
at
another
increase
of
approximately
0.26
mills
to
make
up
the
difference,
so
that
was
encapsulated
within
that
memo.
That's
right,
so
I
will
make
sure
but
yeah.
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
you
all
knew
that.
I
think
it
was
several
months
ago
when
you
all
had
a
virtual
meeting.
G
So
we
would
actually
see
what
it
looked
like,
either
under
the
full,
full
95
funding
and
the
full
50
funding.
And
what
we
found
was
that
there
is
a
as
you
can
probably
imagine,
there's
a
very
large
balance.
Difference
between
the
95
percent
collection
and
the
50
collection
referred
for
with
no
new
capital
projects,
government
being
planned
in
the.
E
What
you
stated
really
concerns
me
a
little
bit
in
that
if
we've
got
a
bunch
of
reserved
monies
left
over
that
we're
being
looked
at
as
not
functioning
properly
or
whatever,
when
I
ran
the
numbers-
and
I
you
know
this
is
just
me
running
numbers-
I'm
no
expert
at
it
I'll
say
that.
But
when
I
look
at
the
downtown
district
and
I
look
at
roughly
fiscal
year,
26,
I'm
I've
got
13.6
million
dollars
worth
of
funds
sitting
there.
E
G
The
big
question
is,
if
you
get
to
the
end
of
the
year,
and
you
have
those
unexpected
funds
that
you
were
required
to
roll
back
to
the
contributing
agencies,
that's
where
I
think.
As
mr
brian
pointed
out,
you
know
little
client
starts
being
waived.
Why
are
you
continuing
to
give
back
based
on
the
state
law
requirements?
Why
are
you
giving
back
on
a
daily
basis
and
to
have
it
happen
once
or
twice
is
probably
not
a
big
thing
when
you
start
doing
it
repeatedly,
people
start
asking
about
why
this
is
occurring
on
a
regular
basis.
G
Well,
my
numbers
included
any
of
the
upcoming
projects
that
were
listed
in
the
capital
budget
that
was
available
to
me
through
fiscal.
E
25-
and
so
I
look
at
that-
and
I
do
you
know
a
rough
estimate
of
what
the
expenditures
are
through
fiscal
year,
25
again
at
the
end
of
end
of
that
time
frame,
roughly
speaking,
we're
talking
about
13.6
million
dollars
in
reserves.
So
I'm
just
concerned
that
we're
going
to
end
up
with
the
same
situation
and
I
want
us
as
a
board
to
be
prepared
and
planned
and
have
projects
available
so
that
we're
not
losing
those
funds
at
the
same
time,
just
like
that's
the
only
point
I.
F
F
The
only
thing
that
you're
back
to
through
the
chair,
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
just
procedurally.
The
next
city
council
meeting
will
have
the
consideration
for
appointment
for
two
new
members.
So
this
type
of
discussion
that
we're
having
now
needs
to
be
hey.
We
need
to
talk
about
this
and
not
come
to
finality
tonight,
because
I'm
not
saying
I
can't
read
a
crystal
ball.
F
I
don't
know
what
the
board
makeup
will
be
going
forward
in
january
of
next
year,
but
this
conversation
will
actually
we're
gonna
have
to
redo
it
to
educate
at
least
one
member.
So
I'm
just
saying
that
we
just
need
to
watch
about
being
too
final
tonight.
This.
This
also
leads
into
the
fact
that
maybe
it
would
be
march
before
we
get
the
tip
because
we're
gonna
have
at
least
one.
F
We
know
the
current
opinion
of
the
board,
but
there
will
be
at
least
one
additional
opinion
and
it
has
to
be
a
consensus
of
the
group,
so
we
need
to
just
let
let
that
let
the
clock
go
at
least
until
january
and
deal
with
it
and
we'll
have
some
of
this.
This
level
of
discussion
again,
you
will
just
some
of
you
have
already
heard
it
once
that
was
my
point:
it's
not
a
positive
or
negative.
It's
just
be
aware.
There
may
be
a
slight
change
in
the
board.
F
Right
now
and
again,
I'm
going
to
be
here,
but
the
proposal
is,
and
mr
gilmore's
current
contract
is
up
in
january
31st.
The
proposal
will
be
brought
to
the
cra
that
the
southern
group
is
your
company.
Now
right,
the
southern
group
take
over
administrative
responsibilities,
my
basically
my
responsibilities
as
cra.
Until
such
time
as
we
get
the
new
director
and
or
a
program
manager
hired
that
will
come
up
that
has
to
be
approved
by
the
redevelopment
agency.
It
would
be
an
extension
of
this
current
contract
right
now.
F
I
don't
know
that
public
works
has
any
active
projects
for
consideration
at
that
meeting.
I'd
have
to
get
with
caleb,
but
that's
at
least
one
action.
I
think
we
will
have-
and
I
imagine
we'll
have
some
level
of
this
discussion
on
the
projects
and
on
this
cash
flow
with
you
know
the
current
board
and
whatever
you
know,
one
or
two
members
would
be
so.
There
was
a
regular
meeting.
J
J
They'll
ask
me
to
manage
and
talk
about
it
quite
frankly,
and
I
want
to
thank
ashley,
just
as
everyone
did,
the
work
that
she
did
up
there,
because
my
thoughts
and
recommendations
are
as
we
look
at
the
budgeting
process.
We
have
to
have
a
complete
and
clear
understanding
of
that
document
and
what
it
means
with
the
option
as
it
relates
to
the
budget.
Can
we
indeed
shift
something
as
you
suggested
forward,
or
do
we
need
to
make
it
like?
J
It
is
talked
to
ashley
about
this
and
she's
going
to
do
the
same
thing
for
the
downtown
tip,
because,
as
I
have
been
learning
from
bill,
everything
that's
going
on
in
downtown
as
well.
There
is
a
lot
of
projects
that
are
funded,
but
we
need
to
know
what's
the
level
of
funding,
what's
the
status
of
funding,
I'm
thinking
about
a
lot
of
things
that
we've
been
talking
about,
whether
it's
enhanced
lighting
or
some
of
the
other
issues
that
have
been
of
concern
to
you.
J
D
J
Next,
the
next
meeting
to
dig
into
that
and
the
downtown
work
quite
frankly,
was
building
on
france's
recommendations
from
last
time,
because
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
that
plan
that
the
shepherd
work
it
consolidates
everything
in
the
end
of
projects
that
have
been
approved
are
in
the
plan.
So
we
have
to
know
the
status
of
it.
That's
spending
where
it's
where
it's
going
what's
going
on,
I've
got
something
to
give
a
little
bit
that
talks
about
that.
But
that
to
me
is
a
very
important
part
of
the
process.
I
I'm
going
to
reiterate
our
just
kind
of
talk
based
on
what
bill
said
and
john
said
just
now.
Just
so
you
guys
know
public
record
council
is
going
through
the
process
of
deciding.
If
I
will
be
on
board
or
not
reappointed
or
not,
I
have
coupled
some
feathers.
I
have
a
feeling,
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
who's
going.
But
beside
the
point,
I
would
recommend
that
the
agenda
is
boiled
down
to
whomever
is
new
on
the
board,
or
at
least
we
will
have
one
on
the
board
to
where
it's.
I
What
do
we
need
to
know
to
put
certain
things
in
line,
because
we
definitely
will
have
one
person
who
will
be
completely
new
to
the
process,
so
I
think
that
we
should
limit
it
to
just
that
gym,
just
getting
people
on
board
as
to
what
get
them
prepared
for
the
february
meeting,
and
maybe
you
recommend
doing
a
workshop
prior
to
because,
if
we're,
if
we're,
given
the
ability
to
push
this
discussion
to
provide
them
an
answer,
so
they
can
make
a
decision
with
the
city
council
in
march.
I
Whoever
is
on
board
in
january
can
use
a
really
big
swift
kick
to
get
back
on
board,
so
we
can
be
on
on
target
to
give
them
that
answer
as
far
as
what
we
would
like
to
see
propose
so,
regardless
who's
on
council.
I
think
that
that's
something
that
january
we
should
only
really
focus
on
is
prepping
for
those
discussions
all
right.
So.
F
Mr
man,
one
thing
I
agree
with
that.
One
thing
to
consider,
though,
in
addition
to
that,
because
we
have
the
information
available,
we
will
also
incorporate
that
into
probably
a
longer
cra
orientation
that
each
one
of
the
current
members
has
experienced,
because
we
have
that
data
available,
so
we'll
use
the
orientation
the
individual,
one-on-one
orientation
we'll
do
that
to
help
get
them
into
the
process.
So
maybe
it's
a
little
simpler
and
it's
not
just
falling
on
fresh
ears
anywhere
needing.
F
A
Just
want
to
remind
you
guys
that
this
is
actually
a
city
council
decision.
We
can
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council,
but
this
is
still
their
decision
so
as
a
board.
We're
going
to
make
a
request
to
the
city
manager
that
he
tabled
us
to
the
first
city
council
meeting
in
march,
and
I
guess
I'm
just
gonna
pull
you
guys.
Are
you?
Okay
with
that.
B
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
offer
to
the
board
information
that
it
took
city
of
jacksonville,
approximately
seven
weeks,
to
review
the
materials
that
I
drafted.
So
if
there's
going
to
be
changes
yeah,
that
was
a
quick
case,
but
there's
changes
to
be
made.
The
documents
that
I
drafted,
which
coj
has
already
reviewed
and
their
general
counsel's
office,
approved
I
like
to
give
it
back
to
them,
because
we've
I've
changed
them
now
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
that.
B
I
B
A
Definitely
gonna
be
our
par
our
priority,
both
january
and
february,
because
I
believe
that's
when
ashley's
coming
before
us
to
start
setting
our
budget
in
february
and
of
course
we
may
try
to
drag
you
into
our
mess
in
january
as
well.
But
I
hope
you
enjoy
your
holidays
and
into
the
orientations
okay.
So
we
we
finished
item
c
jim,
which
would
you
say
the
item
d
or
we
team
that
up
now.
J
I
would
like
to
begin
the
conversation
about
it
and
then
I
have
to
see
the
material
about
southwest.
I
want
to
take
give
this
information
to
you
and
then
what
I
would
like
to
suggest
is
that
you
take
a
look
at
these
properties
and
then
you
come
back
and
see
what's
in
this
document
that
has
been
budgeted.
We
know
exactly
what
the
schedule
is
in
timeline
for
implementation.
J
Now,
what
I've
taken
from
the
downtown
plan
that
she
ever
did
again.
I
went
back
to
the
green
section.
The
green
section
is
where
he
consolidated
everything
and
actually
presented
to
us
all
the
items
that
have
been
approved
in
the
plan
or
work
to
be
done,
and
I
reviewed
all
of
this
today,
but
I
don't
have
any
cover
right
now:
here's
the
gift.
J
And
that's
where
we
actually
need
to
start
are
pending.
Where
is
that
set
in
our
budgeting
process?
And
then
within
that
context,
you
can
make
decisions
and
issue
priorities
on
other
items
on
this
list,
because
again,
these
are
items
that
are
in
the
plan
as
the
weather
kill
change
them
come
back
to
an
amended
plan
later
on.
The
first
step
is
to
these
are
done
or
pending
and
depending
on
their
critical,
to
take
a
look
on
exactly
what's
going
on
in
downtown.
J
A
longer
conversation
of
what's
going
on
in
each
of
these
areas,
because
part
of
the
vision
is,
we
have
to
know
what
our
private
development
is
thinking
about,
and
so
that
will
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
next
time
as
well.
Whenever
you
want
to
happen,
that
gets
us
into
that
budget
process
to
see
what
we
need
to
do,
what
we
need
to
change,
what
we
need
to
recommend
for
the
next
this
week.
F
I
would
add,
to
that,
don't
forget
the
ability
to
call
for
a
special
meeting.
The
biggest
constraint
is
I'll,
tell
them
jim
taylor.
We
haven't
gotten
down
to
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
that
level.
There
have
been
support.
The
biggest
thing
to
remember
is
we
have
to
have
any
items
that
are
going
to
be
discussed
at
the
meeting.
I
have
to
have
them
published
on
the
website
a
week
beforehand.
F
J
A
Okay,
all
right
so
we'll
have
our
marching
orders
if
we're
going
to
have
a
earlier
meeting
than
our
regular
scheduled
meeting
in
january,
we'll
shoot
on
an
email
on
that.
The
next
thing
is
crazy,
florida,
visitors
and
other
than
taylor.
I
don't
see
any
visitors.
F
One
point-
and
I
stressed
the
emphasis
of
it
because
this
happened
once
we
had
a
special
meeting-
please,
if
you
do
schedule
special
meetings,
try
and
keep
them
at
least
two
weeks
away
from
a
regional
regular
evening,
because
administratively,
it's
very
hard.
It
compromises
everything
else,
maybe
not
that
they
would
do,
but
in
my
position
now
so
as
if
you
could
try
to
split
it
up
like
every
two
weeks,
I'll
have
not
have
a
special
meeting
within
two
weeks
of
the
scheduled
meeting.
Thank
you.
A
But
this
is
his
last.
This
is
his
last
official
meeting
as
a
jack
speech
employee
running
our
running
our
meeting,
so
I
want
to
personally
thank
him
for
all
he's
done
since
I've
been
around
since
the
planning
commission
days,
the
city
council
days
and
now
the
cra
days-
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
guys-
an
opportunity
to
say
something
to
bill
before
we
ship
him
on
the
door
here.
E
Know
sometimes
I'm
tough
to
deal
with,
and
I
apologize
for
that,
but
hopefully
we
just
get
to
a
better
place.
Ultimately,
I
think
that's
what
we
all
want
to
do.
I
do
have
two
additional
items
I
wanted
to
quickly
address
with
the
board
I
made
okay
yeah.
I
just
want
to
say
billy's
been
great.
F
F
F
and
as
soon
as
I
got
out
of
college
and
can
control
both
life.
I
moved
out
here
to
the
beach
so
and
I've
been
surfing
the
same
stretch
of
beach
for
40
years.
That
will
continue
and
I'm
not
going
anywhere,
but
I
appreciate
working
with
ollie
all
you
know.
Sometimes
we
butt
heads,
but
it's
all
for
the
common
good
and
I
think
we've
done
a
lot.
So
I
appreciate
it.
E
Okay
yeah.
Thank
you,
two
quick
things
one.
I
just
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
on
12th
avenue,
south
end
zone.
There's
a
construction
project
going
on
that
area
has
just
recently
been
all
repaved,
yet
the
contractor's
got
his
dumpster
sitting
in
the
middle
of
the
new
pavement
and
it
almost
looks
like
things
are
getting
torn
up
and
I'd
like
someone
to
go
out
there
and,
let's
protect,
what's
just
been
built
and
new,
rather
than
just
destroying
it
that
that
construction
site
has
been
been
a
real
challenge.
E
From
my
perspective
I
mean,
I
think,
emotion
went
out
there.
They
they'd
have
a
fun
time
but
bill
if
we
could
get
somebody
out
there
to
take
a
look
at
that.
I'd.
F
Really
appreciate
it,
actually,
we
have
pre-construction
activity
photographs
and
an
assessment
of
what
that
property
of
what
this
is.
The
contractor
is
on
record
as
being
notified
that
it
will
be
if
it's
not
left
in
that
position
when
he
leaves
it
will
be
restored
to
that
condition.
He's
well
aware
of
that.
So
thank
you,
but
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
That
was
a
big
concern
of
mine.
E
Yeah,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
just
quickly.
This
was
in
today's
paper.
I
want
to
share
this
with
all
of
the
board
members.
It's
something
that
I've
kind
of
commented
on
in
the
past.
E
The
palm
coast
has
worked
with
jacksonville
university
in
bringing
a
off-campus
site
to
their
downtown
district,
and
the
most
interesting
part
of
all
of
this
is
that
the
project
totaling
2.5
million
1.5
million
allocation
from
the
general
fund
reserves
and
1
million
for
givable
performance
loan
from
the
palm
coast,
state
road,
100,
community
redevelopment
agency.
E
It's
it's
a
unique
way
to
do.
You
know,
create
development,
create
opportunities,
and
it
sounds
like
they've
got
an
idea,
and
I
think
jim
can
talk
about
it
more
because
he
has
been
involved
in
this.
I
didn't
know
that
before
this
meeting,
but
it
it's
an
interesting
article
in
it
and
that's
something
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at.
As
we
start
looking
at
what
development
opportunities
there
are
for
our
downtown
district,
so
I'm
just
going
to
pass
this
down
for
everybody.
You
can
take
a
look
at
the
whole
article,
but
jim.
J
Jared
come
here:
yes,
that's
the
university
of
the
client
and
the
first
thing
I
would
like
to
remember
when
we
went
over
the
civic
toolbox
last
time.
The
forgivable
loan
concept
was
in
there
in
several
different
places,
and
it's
one
that
we
came
up
with
in
other
parts
of
our
work
around
here,
jacksonville
university
spent
two
years
doing
their
due
diligence
on
the
necessity
and
the
former
work
to
see.
If
that
would
be
a
great
place
to
have
this
tough
time
it's
based
on.
J
What's
going
on
there,
as
you
can
see
in
the
article
on
their
healthcare
program,
which
is
what
they're
going
to
do,
there's
a
huge
workforce
need
in
that
powerful
state
which
caused
them
to
want
to
make
the
decisions
to
establish
the
first
campus
outside
of
jacksonville
in
palm
coast,
but
very
right.