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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 07/14/2022
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 07/14/2022
A
So
we
I
think,
good
morning,
it's
about
it's
about
10
13
and
we're
opening
the
collective
bargaining
session
for
the
laredo
fire
collective
bargaining
agreement.
We,
I
think
there
were
some
technical
difficulties
that
we
discussed
yesterday.
We
have
the
audio
of
it.
So
that's
good.
A
We
can
ensure
that
we
have
an
accurate
record,
it's
also
being
live
streamed.
It's.
A
A
The
live
stream
will
be
working
today
today
as
well,
but
the
session
will
be
posted
and
archived
available
on
the
youtube
link
as
well.
A
Thank
you
for
we
had
a
very
productive
day
yesterday,
I'm
working
on
the
tentative
agreements
for
the
no
changes,
and
I
need
a
little
bit
more
time
because
there
was
a
lot
of
them.
I
just
need
to
make
sure
that
they're
accurate,
but
we
will
have
those
completed
and
signed
off
by
the
end
of
the
day.
A
We
did
go
through
all
of
the
additional
articles
that
you
proposed
to
us
yesterday,
that
was
8
11
20
22,
25,
27
31
41
42
in
the
new
proposed
article
43
and
we
went
through
and
we
went
through,
there's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
them
that
we
have
to
do
homework
and
get
information
and
data.
A
Let's
see
I
had
8
11
20,
I
mean
21,
22,
25,
27,
31,
41,
42
and
43.,
and
then
I
didn't
see
is
there
a
way
that
you
can
email
those
to
me
today?
Yes,
okay,
just
so
I
have
them
and
I
can
work
off
of
those.
If
we
do,
if
we
can
do
anything
with
them,
there's
a
lot
of
them
tend
to
seem
very
simple,
but
can
but
can
be
pretty
complex.
A
For
instance,
one
that
may
affect
civil
service
board
commission
rules
and
things
that
would
be
outside
of
the
city's
control
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
things
in
place.
You
know
in
our
counter
proposal
as
to
how
to
deal
with
that
stuff.
A
There
are,
I
think,
that
we
may
be
able
to
we're
still
working
on
it,
but
I
anticipate
that
we
will
be
able
to
tentatively
agree
to
the
article
21
holidays,
so
I'm
gonna,
prepare,
I'm
gonna
confirm
caucus
with
my
team
and
make
sure
that
we
have
everything
there
and
that
there
aren't
any
more
questions.
C
A
Believe
that
that
will
be
a
tentative
agreement
that
we
can
reach
today.
I
was
also
looking
at.
A
There's
a
few
issues
that
we
just
need
to
dole
out
on
article
8.
But
I
believe
article
8,
which
is
the
duties
and.
D
A
Coverage
of
basically
the
workers
compensation
information,
we
may
have
a
counter
proposal
today,
but
that
may-
and
that
may
be
something
that
we
could
potentially
reach
a
tentative
agreement
on
today.
I
think
that
that
the
intent
and
the
goal
on
both
sides
is
the
same,
and
it's
just
a
language
issue,
to
make
sure
that
we
clearly
address
the
issue
that
that
you
have
raised-
and
I
believe
you
know
in
talking
to
my
team.
A
One
of
the
issues
I
think
that
may
have
brought
about
this
concern
was
that
during
covid
there
was
directives
that
were
in
orders
that
were
being
given
to
do
things
that
were
not
normally
in
the
scope
of
what
was
being
done
and
they
just
wanted.
You
just
wanted
to
make
sure,
and
the
chief
just
wants
to
make
sure
that
there's
coverage
for
that,
because
it
is
in
the
terms
of
the
scope
of
the
employment
of
being
a
firefighter
okay.
A
So
I
think
we
will
have
a
counter
proposal
just
because
I
think
that
we
have
some
language
to
propose
there
and-
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
if,
if
it's,
if
that
language
can
be,
if
you're
not
happy
with
it,
when
we
when
we
present
it
that
if
we
can
work
on
it
together,
I
think
that
we
can
reach
a
tentative
agreement
on
that
one
today
as
well.
Okay,
so
that's
what
we
have,
because
I
still
have
all
the
work
that
I'm
doing.
B
I'm
opening
the
floor
to
you.
Okay,.
E
A
And
and
the
way
so
that
we
can
keep
things
moving,
we're
focusing
today
on
working
on
the
tentative
agreements
from
the
no
changes,
the
tentative
agreements
on
the
two
articles.
I
believe
we
can
focus
on
today
and
obtaining
information
on
that
first
set.
But
if
you
present
the
second
set
that
allows
us
to
start
getting
our
homework
and
process
to
obtain
data.
A
A
Back
from
crawfish
and
before
I
forget,
there's
a
couple,
just
logistical
things:
we
have
done
the
signing.
A
A
And
then,
with
regard
to
before
we
go
into
the
rest
of
this,
I
think
we
need
to
discuss
the
upcoming
dates,
because
we
have
found
that,
just
in
discussing
during
caucus
that
we
have
some
conflicting
scheduling
problems
that
have
arisen.
As
you
know,
the
our
current
city
manager
interim
city
manager,
his
last
name
is
on
the
22nd
and
in
the
meantime,
although
we
had
looked
at
having,
I
think
we
had
determined
to
have
the
collective
bargaining
session
on
the
20th.
A
A
And
then
the
council
meetings
that
monday
before
so
that
creates
a
problem
for
us.
I
won't
have
the
ability
to
have
everything
and
the
information
I
need
prepared
before
the
20th
and
half
of
my
team
won't
be
here
so
we're
looking
at.
Then
we
looked
at
the
next
week
and
we
we
could
do
the
22nd,
but
I
understand
that
you're
not
available
on
the
22nd
either.
B
A
And
22nd
so
the
next
date
that
was
available
because
they
are
also
having
the
budget
workshops.
The
next
following
week
and
my
same
team
members
are
the
ones
doing
the
presentations
and
the
budget,
I
believe,
is
that
thursday
july
28th.
B
Because
our
budget
workshop
is
approved
and
twenty-eight.
Oh
then,
the
twenty-ninth.
G
A
And
then
I
think
that
we
are
all
available.
The
first
week
of
august.
A
One
through
fifth,
first
through
the
fifth,
I
am
not
available
the
week
the
next
week,
because
I
have
several
court
hearing
big
court
hearings
that
are
scheduled
that
take
take
all
day
so
yeah.
So
if
we
can,
if
we
can
find
one
or
two
dates
on
that
august,
that
first
of
august
week.
B
A
And
then,
as
we
come
up,
we
will
solidify
it
for
sure
at
least
one
day,
if
we
can,
if
I
can.
A
B
B
Forward
preparing
for
it,
but
anytime
after
the
11th,
we
could
about
24
hours
a
day.
Okay.
So
then
we
have
august
basically
15th
through
september,
2nd
those
three
weeks.
A
And
I
usually
prefer,
for
my
scheduling
purposes,
the
wednesdays
and
thursdays
work
best.
B
C
A
A
Okay,
so
then,
after
those
dates,
I
think
I'm
still
working
on
getting
the
tas
and
I'll
continue
to
work
on
that,
and
we
should
have
them
prepared
for
an
afternoon
session
and
and
that's
that
we're
so
I'm
still
working
on
those.
E
E
Better,
a
engines
for
firefighters,
b,
crash
fire
and
rescue
for
firefighters,
see
aerial
matters
for
firefighters,
b,
emergency
medical
services,
ems,
two
firefighters,
emergency
technician,
paramedics,
fire
prevention
for
firefighters
that
are
f
fire
investigation
for
firefighters,
proposed
changes
is
to
strike
endeavor
2
in
the
first
sentence
on
12.1
change,
desired
strength
to
minimum
strength
or
strike
desired
at
minimum.
E
Add
letter
g
ems,
training,
fire,
firefighters,
letter
h,
fire
training,
fire
fire
fighters
and
letter.
I
are
coordinator
one
firefighter.
A
The
striking
of
endeavor
to
and
the
striking
of
desire
does
this
now
make
it
a
requirement
prior
to
endeavoring.
That's
that's
where
the
the
best
case
scenario
was
right
like
if
they
had
the
budget
and
the
authority
to
do
that,
that
they
would
do
that.
Staffing
number!
Yes!
So
does
this
now
make
it
a
requirement.
E
Just
to
staff
an
engine
company
with
four
people,
there's
just
a
standard,
followed
by,
I
believe,
by
nfpas
by
going
to
during
structural
firefighting
or
any
other
type
of
rescue
incident
where
they
follow
the
two
into
alcohol.
Okay
right
now,
the
way
it
stands
is,
of
course,
because
of
staffordshire
or
you
know,
holiday,
vacation,
sick
outs,
you
know
any
kind
of
causing
a
vacancy.
E
The
minimum
requirement
for
triggering
any
type
of
overtime
is
three.
The
only
thing
is
right
now
when
they
respond
to
an
incident
in
order
to
have
to
comply
with
two
and
two
level
you
have
to
send.
You
have
to
have
a
mandatory
two
engine
company
before
any
type
of
action
taken
unless
it's
an
immediate
life
saving,
especially
right
now.
If
I
act
right
now,
they'll
save
a
life
beyond
that.
B
Saying
that
administrations
will
then
change
the
process,
they
will
send
one
and
that
would
involve
it.
G
E
The
safety
of
the
city,
while
we're
fighting
a
major
event,
because
it's
understood
when
it's
a
major
event,
a
train
development
high
rise,
anything
where
it's
a
mass
casualty
while
responding
to
the
airport
you're
going
to
send
you
know
as
many
units
as
required,
but
right
now,
especially
with
the
health
and
safety
issues.
Because
of
the
heat
index.
The
way
it's
been
hitting
we're
having
to
trigger
more
personnel,
smaller
range
fires,
because
again
there
are
more
units
responding
and
the
type
of
response
right
now
with
the
programs
are
being
instilled
into
the
department.
E
It's
causing
multiple
units
to
go
to
a
response
to
an
incident,
mostly
fires
where
it
wouldn't
have
triggered
as
many
if
it
was
a
format
engine
company,
because
right
now,
if
they
want
two
teams
to
back
up
the
original
two
teams
that
showed
in
when
you
call
one
engine
company
with
four
people,
they'll
make
the
captain
driver,
dress
up
and
neither
the
assistant
requirement
or
two
piper.
So
you
have
two
people.
E
You
have
two
crews
to
replace
two
crews,
but
right
now,
if
it's,
if
it's
a
three-man
engine
company-
and
you
want
to
replace
two
crews-
we
have
to
call
them
two
engine
companies,
so
I
mean
you're
having
responses
for
normally,
whether
it
be
maybe
normal
belt.
But
I'm
structure,
fire
response,
it's
three
engine
companies,
an
at
district,
chief
and
youngest
captain,
and
he
understands
an.
B
Ambulance
so
have
we
crossed
it
out?
Have
you
all
cost
about
adding
that
additional?
Because
it's
going
to
name
an
additional
category?
E
B
We
have
full
staffing
levels.
B
F
B
E
G
B
E
B
So
question,
and
I
think
I
know
the
actually
the
reason
you
need
these
five
ems
training
trainers
is
because
we've
got
regular
firefighters
to
do
this,
and
so
we
put
them
back
up.
E
E
B
E
Kind
of
saying
the
same
thing
yeah
on
that's
what
I'm
saying
on
the
bottom
part.
Yes,
those
trigger
additional
fts.
E
And
our
biggest
fluency
is
a
worry,
but
we're
trying
to
help
the
department
itself
to
kind
of
streamline
it,
because
we've
been
advised
that
our
humanist
training
division
should
be
selected
from
find
that
program
because
of
our
passing
rate
that
we're-
and
I
can
get
to
the
exact
moment
from.
E
I
believe
it's
something
like
in
the
high
90s
by
the
second
time
where
you
know
we're.
Just
these
guys
are
passing
because
they're
going
to
pass.
So
our
ems
division
was
selected
to
consider
a
pilot
program
where
they're
cutting
out
three
months
of
any
type
of
academy
to
remove
the
ems
basic
training
and
go
directly
into
paramedic,
which
is
more
labor
intensive
on
the
on
the
cadets
themselves.
Because,
of
course
that's
what
they're
here
for
right.
But
there's
going
from
from
zero
to
100.
E
B
G
So
they're
allowed
to
do
that
because
of
the
languages
so
making
it
mandatory
minimum.
That
puts
a
more
direct
requirement
for
them.
Part
of
the
I
know
we've
talked
about
two
and
throughout
there's.
G
A
lot
of
departments
when
that
first
came
in
were
basically
bringing
it
through
allocating
another
unit
to
respond.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
units.
A
lot
of
departments
run
two
and
three
percent.
G
G
Waiting
they're
not
committed
to
the
fire
suppression
until
you
know
they
make
sure
that
the
firefighter's
taken
care
of,
and
then
he
goes
out,
but
it's
it's
just
one
of
the
safeties
that
we
have
increased
men
are
free.
Staffing
also
helps
reduce
some
working
stock
costs
as
well.
There's
less
hectic
running
around
in
the
fire
scene.
We
have
more
people
available
to
do
the
jobs
that
are
that
are
needed
to
be
done
at
the.
G
E
And
then
one
letter
aids,
the
fire
training,
is
basically
during
the
same
intent
of
ems
training
right
now.
Currently,
I
believe
they
are
again
fully
staffed.
They
have
they
go
beyond
the
fire,
but
then
that
still
pulls
from
the
like.
Now
they
go
back
and
we'll
put
them
back
on
the
line,
so
they
want
that
operations
now
you're
hampering
the
ems
or
fire
train
division,
which
right
now,
since
we're
behind
the
eight
ball.
E
Because
of
lack
of
staffing,
it's
gonna
hinder
the
response
for
that
or
the
the
workings
of
both
divisions,
a
better.
I,
the
our
coordinator,
that
was
brought
up,
because
it
was
always
understood
that
somebody
there
at
that
station
was
gonna,
be
in
charge
of
handling
all
the
paperwork,
but
the
paperwork
has
become
substantial.
You
know,
because
of
the
young
people,
the
drugs,
the
continuing
contacting
of
companies,
research,
training,
the
actual
dealing
with
the
fa,
and
actually
I
have
right
now
sitting
behind
us
one,
that's
slotted
for
that's.
E
B
E
C
E
E
A
E
4.3
c
staffing
levels
will
be
407
ftes,
as
of
2018,
we've
put
the
strength
407
to
increase
it
to
416
2018
to
2022.
E
B
E
E
It
was
one
additional
unit
because
I
believe
when
this
contract
was
signed,
it
was
you
know
the
one
right
here
and
yeah,
because
from
what
we
got
from
the
previous
negotiating
team,
is
that
407
already
included
the
one
in
salina,
which
is
18
4004
and
the
ambulance
downtown,
and
even
so,
they
kind
of
already
foresaw
that
and
that's
where
they
got
to
407.
E
Since
then,
it
was
our
9110,
which
is
the
one
of
the
pearson
by
doctor's
hospital
and
that,
according
to
the
agreement
before
triggered
an
immediate
hiring
of
nine
personnel
when
you
open
up
the
unit,
so
that's
where
416
comes
from.
So
it's
just
correction
of
language
of
where
we're
supposed
to
be
at.
E
It
carries
two
per
shift,
but
the
third
member
is
to
consider
if
there's
any
any
time
that
there's
any
sick
people
any
injuries.
Anything
like
that
where
there's
vacations,
that's
where
that
one's
replaced,
so
basically
being
tcm
vampire
just
to
cover
everything
and,
like
I
said
this
was
agreed
to
one.
E
At
the
moment
that
one
person
is
not
there,
it's
going
to
trigger
over
time,
so
this
is
not
actual
staffing
on
day
to
day
that
that's
maintained
at
two.
This
is
to
in
case
any
vacancies
are
from
the
cities
already
covered
with
somebody.
There.
B
Some
of
you
have
three
on
an
ambulance,
and
you
have
a
fully
staffed
up
one
day.
Does
that
flow
to
that?
Third,
one
go
to
an
engine
yeah.
B
F
E
And
then
the
next
letter
on
letters,
the
next
line
on
letter
c
expected
exactly
level
of
427
ftes
as
of
2024,
and
that
gives
a
period
to
the
hiring
academy.
If
approved.
A
E
The
next
one
would
be
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
article
where
we.
B
How
much?
What
is
the
current
ratio
right
now.
B
E
G
A
B
F
A
F
F
B
B
C
A
This
tree,
because
I
think
what
you're
what
you're
saying
is
you
know
you're
basing
it
on
a
an
organizational
flow
chart
or
tree
chart.
You
know
like
a
chain
of
command
that
says
you
know,
the
district
chief
has
five
is
in
charge
of
five
stations
and
then
the
next,
the
next
level
under
that
is
in
charge
of
I'm
assuming
I
don't.
I
haven't
seen
it
but
like
units
and
then
under
that
and
those
are
in
charge
of
actual
people.
C
G
A
G
Supervisor
or
any
supervisor
at
this
point
right
now,
the
way
it
is
a
captain
deputy
called
ems
captain
in
any
in
any
operations.
That's
how
these
they
work
so.
A
E
A
Where
is
this,
this
kind
of
documented
or
the
direction
or
the
directives
whatever
it
is
that
we
use
as
a
guide
for
this
flow
of
supervisory
capacity?
Where
is
that
located
right
now?
Is
that
in
the
the
general
rules
or
sops
or
where
you
know
where.
E
A
A
My
other
question
is:
is
there
an
issue
that
you
have
seen
or
have
experienced
that
has
prompted
this
to
be
included
in
the
collective
bargaining
rather
than
the
sops?
Has
there
been,
has
there
been
an
issue,
or
do
you
have
a
concern
about
the
fire
chief
or
the
management?
You
know
the
fire
chief
being
able
to
keep
the
supervisory
roles
under
the
recommended.
F
B
E
That
this
is
the
practice
going
forward
so
maintaining
to
because
the
department
of
the
city
can
be
directed
to
make
sure
that
you
know
it's
run
in
a
smooth
operation.
The
way
it
is
has
it
has
it
been
an
issue?
No,
could
it
possibly
be
an
issue
down
the
line
when
we're
no
longer
here,
maybe
but
right
now,
just
to
maintain
that
that
proactiveness
from
our
fire,
chief
from
behalf
of
the
city,
where
it's
maintaining
that
that
growth
love,
so
it's
kind
of
just
a
continual
process
where.
C
B
C
C
C
E
E
Furthermore,
the
city
shall
provide
500
gross
per
year,
remember
with
250
dollars
available
in
the
first
paycheck
in
june
and
250
dollars
in
the
first
paycheck
in
december
of
each
year
for
all
fire
department,
personnel
for
the
upkeep
and
maintenance
of
said
uniforms
when
an
employee
needs
to
replace
any
part
of
the
uniform
or
uniform
or
uniforms
under
normal
wear.
The
employee
shall
report
this
to
the
chief
who
shall
then
authorize
the
purchase
or
we
need
our
garment
or
garments
out
of
his
uniform
allocation.
E
Furthermore,
the
city
agrees
to
replace
any
part
of
the
uniform
or
uniforms
that
are
damaged
or
lost
during
the
performance
of
employees,
duties
upon
confirmation
by
the
fire
chief.
It
shall
be
the
responsibility
of
each
member
of
the
fire
department
to
maintain
uniforms
in
presentable
condition.
At
all
times.
The
city
assures
each
employee
that
all
uniform
articles
that
the
employee
orders,
if
not
delivered
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
shall
be
encumbered
by
purchase
order.
E
E
That
issue
had
never
been
corrected,
so
we're
paying
a
premium
on
some
of
these,
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the
professionals
or
what,
but
because
of
that
increase
in
price,
our
six
hundred
dollars
for
uniform
maintenance,
which
includes
boots
pants
belts,
shirts,
t-shirts
caps,
any
safety
gear,
any
resting
gear.
C
F
Cheaper
or
even
on,
like
their
local
store,
they're,
just,
I
guess
the
middleman,
but
you
go
get
the
boots
from
their
store.
You
get
it
for
30,
40
dollars
less
and
all
they're
doing
is
just
basically
hey.
They
bought
this,
send
it
to
us,
and
then
we
just
go
through
there.
E
It's
to
reflect,
you
know
some
of
that
inflation,
but
also
to
try
and
correct
the
issue
of
the
prices
of
certain
things
and
the
ladies
right
now
we're
limited
to
buying
from.
F
E
E
E
So
I
mean
that's
really
the
intent
of
it,
because
one
to
address
the
inflation
issue
and
two
just
to
kind
of
the
issue
on
where.
A
So
the
first
paragraph,
the
one
where
it's
moving
it
up
to
750
that's
automatic
every
year
right
for
you
to
be
able
to
purchase
new
uniforms.
A
So
and
then
the
second
part,
the
second
one
that
was
went
from
five,
that
you're
proposing
goes
from
500
to
700
a
year.
That
is
for
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
the
uniforms,
and
that's
not
automatic
either.
Do
you
you
have
to
get
approval
from
the
chief.
C
A
I
see
it's
for
a
replacement.
It
says
when
an
employee
needs
to
replace
any
part
of
the
uniform
or
uniforms
under
normal
wear.
The
employees
shall
report
this
to
the
chief,
who
should
then
authorize
the
purchase
of
the
needed
government
requirements
out
of
this
uniform
allowance,
so
the
authorization
is
to
say
yes,
this
is
an
allowable
replacement,
uniform,
okay,
not
just
to
say,
authorize
you
to
actually
use
the
money,
because
you
already
yeah.
A
Yeah
before
we
move
on,
I
just
have
to
ask
this
question:
did
y'all
toss
this
out
or
have
the
cost
of
what
this
name?
This
proposal
may
be:
no
okay,
we'll
cross
that
out.
B
E
E
G
F
G
A
C
A
Okay
and
I'm
continuing
we're
back
on
I'm
continuing
to
work
on
the
tentative
agreement
and
I've
finished
several
and
what
I
intend
to
do
is
email
them
to
you
before
after
we
do
this
presentation,
we'll
take
a
break
come
back,
but
I'm
in
the
meantime,
I'm
going
to
email
you
to
you
what
I
have
so
far,
so
that
your
team
can
start
reviewing
and
making
sure
that
it
is
the
same
as
the
current
contract.
The
tas
that
I'm
emailing
you
right
now
are
going
to
be
the
ones
with
no
changes.
A
And
then
I
will
let
you
know
if
there's
for
the
ta
on
the
holiday
proposal
that
you
you,
where
you
added
that
change,
and
then
we
have
a
counter
proposal
on
the
article
with
regard
to
coverage,
you
can't
remember
what
the
number
is
eight,
and
so
I
will
prepare
a
counter
proposal
and
a
proposed
tentative
agreement.
Okay,
because
I
believe
that
it's
probably
going
to
be
something
we
can
agree
to
so
I'll
just
have
that
rating
already,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
working
on.
E
A
C
E
A
and
b
has
a
d
and
e
scratched
up
or
dna
stretched
out.
There's
no
letter
c,
that's
actually
at
the
tail
end
of
letter
b
after
it
says
10
a.m.
Oh
it's
over
here
yeah.
I
barely
noticed
it
right
now
like.
Why
isn't
this
red?
Why
is
I
don't
even
change
anything
that
article
itself
didn't
have
or
changing
from
the
difference?
Yes,
okay,
so
we
have
to
just
re-reformat.
F
E
One
had
no
intent
and
I'm
gonna
say
it:
it
didn't
get
reshuffled.
We
didn't
change
anything
on
that.
Okay,
we
can
go
back
and
see
the
original
copy
of
our
contract
just
to
make
sure
we
didn't
change
the
meaning
of
that
at
all.
The
proposed
change
we
have
on
article
23
sick,
leave,
it's
23.2
right
now.
E
It
reads:
sickly
not
actually
used,
may
be
accumulated
and
paid
to
all
firefighters
upon
retirement
or
death
without
maximum
limit,
except
for
employees
who
are
separated,
who
shall
be
paid,
accumulated
sick
leave
up
to
a
maximum
of
90
days.
However,
cadets
hired
after
april
1st
2006
will
be
paid,
accumulated
sick
leave
upon
retirement
or
death
up
to
a
maximum
of
180
days.
E
G
E
Well,
that
practice
was
put
in
creating
basically
two
different
scales
where
the
previous
people
were
before
2006
were
allowed
to
basically
accumulate
all.
D
D
So
when
we
did
that
we
came
back
in
the
final
year
and
we
started
getting
those
huge
payouts
in
the
lump
sums,
and
so
when
we
came
back,
the
city
proposed
that
we
needed
to
limit
that,
because
that
was
enough.
It
was
an
unknown
number
that
we
had
in
there
so
that
that
warning
that
was
added
so
employees.
But
what
was
done
is
we
stopped.
We
stopped
the
bleeding
from
that
point
going
forward
and
any
employee
any
firefighter
that
came
in
after
april.
2006
would
now
fall
under
this.
D
In
life
that
you
might
have
some
a
lot
of
retirements
coming
in
coming
in
next
year,
you
know
I
would
just
if
that
would
have
a
an
impact,
a
huge
impact.
D
D
A
F
And
I
think
the
other
article
that
we're
going
to
try
to
touch
on,
I
think
kind
of
go
hand
in
hand.
You
know
with
this
other
one.
I
guess
we'll
bring
it
up
whenever.
A
E
E
E
And
that
basically
reflects
on
article
23.7
basically
buy
back
this.
It
reads
right
now:
sickly
buyback,
the
city
may
purchase
unused
sick
leave
days
from
firefighters
who
have
accumulated
at
least
60
days
of
sick
leave
prior
to
october
1st
of
fiscal
year
at
the
rate
of
one
to
one.
In
other
words,
the
buyback
rate
will
be
we'll
pay
one
day
of
sick
leave
for
every
one
day
of
sick
leave
up
to
eight
hours.
After
up
to
eight
eight
days
per
physical
year,
firefighters
have
no
obligation
to
sell
unused
sickly
to
the
city.
E
It
has
gone
through
arbitration
twice
once
one-on-one,
basically
on
that
the
proposed
change
is
basically
allowing,
what's
already
in
the
article
to
actually
take
place.
I.
F
Think,
overall
just
benefits.
I
think
it
benefits
both
sides.
It
allows
firefighters
to
sell.
You
know
make
a
little
bit
of
extra
money
that
they
might
need,
but
at
the
same
time
allows
the
city
you
know
to
save
money
in
the
long
run.
You
know
because
if
let's
say
me,
myself
going
up
the
ranks
if
I
accumulate
sick
leave
and
if
I
start
selling
it
instead
of
me
accumulating
it
and
later
on,
promoting
and
me
selling
the
city
on
this
large
amount
of
sick
leave
at
a
higher
wage
scale.
F
F
A
How
how
do
you
address
or
have
what
are
the
issues
that,
when
you're
in
that
you're,
facing
with
something
like
this
with
the
shallow
selling
and
the
unlimited
accumulation
and
the
payment
of
how
it
just
discourages
somebody
from
actually
utilizing
sick
leave
when
they
need
to
when
they're,
sick.
E
Utilized
the
thing
about
it
right
now
is:
you
can
have
individuals
if
they're
sick,
they'll
use
their
annual
leave
and
accumulate
sick
leave,
they're,
basically
trading
one
type
of
leave
for
another,
or
you
know
I,
I
roll
my
ankle
at
home.
It's
nothing
severe,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
use
my
siblings.
E
I
can
talk
to
tony
where
the
same
rank
came
and
you
you
mind
working
for
me,
24
hours,
I'll
work
for
you.
You
know
whenever
it's
a
day,
I
don't
use
my
sick
leave
at
the
end.
I'm
gonna
sell.
You
know
as
much
as
I
can
back
of
safety,
because
I
met
I
managed
to
curtail
if
it's
a
serious
illness.
You
know
about
bronchitis
and
anything
like
that
or
I'm
gonna
use
sickening.
E
If
I
come
down
with
any
kind
of
other
illness
injury
this
right
now,
it's
a
bona
fide
injury
illness,
no
matter
how
minor
you
know
what
there's
no
incentive
in
me
of
actually
accumulating
more
and
more
leave
without
just
going
sickly
for
what
it's
intended
for
anyways.
I
can
only
sell
back
only
up
to
a
certain
amount
of
days.
This
actually
helps
the
city
through
staffing,
instead
of
triggering
the
vacancy
they're
being
replaced
by
somebody
else
because
of
their
accumulation.
E
E
A
F
G
Exchanges
right,
if
they
let's
say
it's
oscar
and
carlos
he's
working
for
oscar
oscar's
name-
is
on
the
basically
on
the
roster.
But
if
there's
paperwork
that
says
that.
E
F
F
E
E
A
F
F
B
B
Aware
of
the
shell
and
and
and
for
the
city
at
one
point,
it
was
because
of
budgetary
constraints.
I
think
it
was
in
20
2008,
maybe
2008
that
occurred,
and
so
we
were
going
through
a
financial
crisis
with
the
city
and
we
weren't
able
to
afford
to
do
it.
And
so
we
wanted
the
option
to
be
able
to
say
we
can
and
we
can
afford
it.
We
won't
if
we
can't
and
that.
C
B
It's
the
spread
and
something
we
don't
know
what
the
economy
is
going
to.
Look
like.
You
know
relation
or
whatever
a
recession,
and
so
if
something
comes
up
and
restored
evaluates-
and
it
affects
us
completely
worried
about
not
being
able
to
know
where
to
get
it
from
okay.
So
my
question
for
the
city
would
be
since.
B
No-
and
we
were
considering
this
past
year,
we
run
some
numbers
being
completely
honest
and
the
largest
people
who
have
accumulated
is
public
safety
area,
not
not
so
much
firefighters,
just
in
general
public
safety,
the
employees
of
the
state
already
don't
have
the
one-to-one
ratio,
they
have
a
one
to
half
two
percent
ratio,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
said
well,
you
know
we
could
do
this.
I
think
that
it
needs
to
be
straight
across
the
board.
B
B
In
addition
to,
we
may
be
able
to
look
at
it,
but
definitely
we
do
look
at
it.
We're
also
looking
at
incentive
pay
and
how
impacts
does.
F
E
B
We
have
an
unfunded
life,
a
very
big
unfunded
liability
in
some
areas
at
this
first,
especially,
I
think
you
know,
so
it's
not
only
you
we're
looking
at
if
we,
if
we
impact
this,
if
we
implement
this
because
there's
a
tool,
I
believe,
there's
a
me
too
class
in
the
police
department,
and
so
like
I
said,
the
largest
impact
is
not
only
the
fire
department,
but
it's
public
safety
in
general
that
we're
having
to
look
at
and
that
that
doesn't
affect
the
city.
G
I
was
just
going
to
ask
roxy,
did
you
do
you
know
where
the
time.
C
C
G
A
A
E
Here
are
the
six
copies
of
the
new
america.
We're
gonna
propose
for
the
record
is
article
38
arbitration
procedure
and
let
me
pass
it
through
because
we're
gonna
have
to
walk
through
some
changes.
E
Like
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
did
one
correction,
but
we
noticed
two
after
it
was
printed
out,
but
it
wasn't
changed
on
every
single
individual
line.
C
E
On
an
arbitrator
if
the
parties
failed
to
agree
upon
an
arbitrator,
a
list
of
seven
qualified,
neutral
neutrals
shall
be
requested
from
the
american
arbitration
association
parentheses
triple
a
the
association
and
the
city
shall
alternately
strike
the
names
on
the
list.
The
hearing
shall
be
considered
in
accordance
with
expedited
labor
arbitration
rules,
which
are
as
follows.
E
E
And
the
the
simple
intent
to
this
is
to
basically
have
that
full
option
of
when
it
comes
to
arbitration.
Hopefully
we
wouldn't
have
to,
but
if
it
does
and
the
issue
that's
arisen,
is
we
still
currently
have
an
arbitration
hearing
that
you
know
because
of
circumstances
beyond
each
other's
control?
It
just
you
know
the
timely
manner
hasn't
been
reached,
so
it
kind
of
just
gives
a
more
of
an
option.
A
plan
b.
A
So
I
have
utilized,
I
have
dealt
with
agree,
collective
bargaining
agreements
and
arbitrations,
where
we
have
the
option
to
get
a
list
from
either
or
the
triple
a
or
fmcs.
A
But
if
I
recall
there
may
have
been
a
mechanism
on
how
to
decide
that,
because
here
this
is
the
only
question
I
have
just
looking
at
this
initially
is
that
if
the
parties
fail
to
agree,
a
list
will
be
requested,
but
it
doesn't
say
who
would
request
the
list.
I
think
in
one
contract
I've
dealt
with
and
it
may
have
been
in
corpus
christi,
where
we
have
done
done
this.
I
think
it
was
the
city
I
need
to
look.
A
I
need
to
figure
out
what
the
triggering
mechanism
is,
but
that's
up
in
the
air,
and
I
can
see
the
potential
for
the
different
parties
to
be
requesting
two
different
lists
and
then
there's
an
issue
of
which
list
do
we
use.
A
The
thing
I
think
that
we
need
to
address
ahead
of
time
and
figure
out
whether
it's
by
agreement
who
we're
going
to
use
because
sometimes
I
think
you
could-
and
it
just
depends
on
the
circumstances
we
could
do.
We
could
alternate.
C
A
G
A
C
G
A
I'm
going
to
look
and
see
what
what
other
contracts
have
that
I've
dealt
with
see
what
the
best
practices
and
see.
What's
most
fair,
I
mean.
A
All
that
we
can
strive
to
be
is
is
fair
in
the
process,
so,
okay
and-
and
if
you
have
any
suggestions
for
that
particular
issue,
feel
free
to
to
address
it
in
in
your
in
the
proposal
you're
going
to
email
it
to
me
email
to
me
and
we
can
further
discuss,
but
that's
just
the
issue
that
often
comes
that
I
can
see
maybe
being
just
a
little
snack
and
it
just
needs
to
be
addressed.
E
This
is
more
more
information
from
ralph
and
you'd,
be
more
language
than
this.
A
Okay,
this,
I
may
have
to
read
through
it,
because
the
changing
of
the
reference
to
the
aaa
may
have
some
additional
substantive
issues
or
questions
that
may
need
to
be
addressed.
For
instance,
like
one
of
them
is
that
the
you
know
the
parties-
and
this
is
under
you,
the
second
paragraph.
The
parties
made
by
mutual
agreement
conduct
the
hearing
in
accordance
with
the
standard
rules
of
triple
a.
A
A
Probably
I
think
that's
probably
going
to
happen
on
this
particular
article,
I'd
like
a
little
bit
more
discussion
and
collaboration
on
what
what
it
is
that
we
want
to
accomplish
and
how
to
make
the
process
fair
before
we
before
we
come
up
with
the
counter
proposals,
because
I
think
that
would
that
would
kind
of
help
help
the
process
overall,
because
this
this
is
a
new
process
yeah,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
new
process
is
all
the
work
and
the
other
aspect
of
that
is
I
was.
G
Is
is
not
going
to
address
the
issue
that
we
were
talking
about
as
far
as
timely
award
because
a
lot
of
times-
and
you
know
this
roxy
people-
the
list
of
the
fmcs-
are
the
same
list-
our
list
of
people
in
triple
h.
It's
just
oftentimes.
I
think
it
comes
down
to
across
the
surface
itself.
A
Right
and
and
you're
right,
and
sometimes
we
get
of
you,
know
a
different
list,
but
most
most
of
the
time
the
lists
of
the
arbitrators
tend
to
overlap,
and
I
do
know,
there's
an
issue
on
the
timeliness
of
the
award
in
appending
our
current
pending
arbitration.
I
don't
know
all
the
details,
but
I
was
made
aware
of
that,
and
I
need
to
look
further
into
that
and
see
what
what
is
it
that's
missing
or
what
has
caused
that
that
to
be
to
happen.
A
So
we
will
look
into
that
and
and
make
sure
that
we
get
this
address,
because
I
think
it
benefits
both
the
city
and
the
the
firefighter
dealing
with
this
particular
process
so
or
the
union
dealing
with
the
process.
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
look
into
this,
but
I
I
know
that
I'm
going
to
have
more
questions
on
this,
and
I
want
I'm
probably
going
to
engage
in
more
discussion
as
we
work
through
this
particular
one.
Okay,
very
good.
A
Okay!
So,
for
today,
is
this:
the
last
article
that
you're
presenting
today,
okay,
so
for
oh
just
to
go
over
the
firing
union
has
presented
additional
counter
proposals,
and
I
have
article
12
article
18,
article
23
and
article
30.,
correct
and
so
we'll
go
start
doing
our
homework
on
these
as
well.
A
C
A
Done
with
the
tentative
agreements
and
the
counter
proposal,
so
I
believe
within
the
next
hour
I'll
be
able
to
have
them
completed
and
have
already
been
emailed
to
you
so
that
you
can
review
them
and
and
the
next
session.
I
would
like
to
go
over
the
tentative
agreements
and
possibly
execute
them
and
sign
them.
We
can
talk
about
our
counter
proposal
on
one
which
I
will
also
prepare
a
tentative
agreement.
Just
you
know
just
for
efficiency,
and
we
can
still
work
on
it
if
necessary.
A
That
doesn't
mean
that
that's
the
last
you
know,
but
if
I
think
that
we
will
be
able
to
bridge
that
gap
and
have
an
agreement
on
that
that
one
with
the
the
coverage
issue,
I
think
article
eight
was
it
important
and
and
then,
if
there's
anything
else,
we
need
to
talk
about
at
the
end
it's
open
to
there,
and
if
you
want
to
talk
about
upcoming
proposals
I'll,
let
you
know
what
what
our?
What
it's
going
to?
A
Look
like
the
next
time,
because
the
next
time
we
sit
here,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
due
july.
28Th
is
we're
going
to
come
up
july
28th
and
we
will
be
responding.
The
city
will
be
presenting
its
proposals
and
responding
to
the
proposals
that
you
have
presented
today.
So
that's
that's
what
we
expect
and
that's
why
I
expect
to
get
done.
C
A
Just
to
keep
the
to
keep
this
moving
and
if
there's
anything
else
that
comes
up
from
the
union
that
they
you
need
to
present
on
the
28th
plea.
You
know
we'll
utilize
that
time
to
do
so
and
just
we'll
just
discuss
it
and
make
sure
that
everybody
has
their.
A
You
know
their
time
to
present
to
do
ask
questions
and
whatever
they
ask
for
information
whatever
it
is,
but
we'll
get
we're
gonna
caucus,
and
I
would
say-
and
in
order
for
me
to
give
me
time
to
finish
them
up,
email
them
to
you
and
your
side
to
caucus
and
be
able
to
review
the
tentative
agreements.
Let's
say
maybe
about
four
o'clock.
That
would
give
us
a
little
one
a
little
under
two
hours,
and
I
think
that
if,
if
there's
more
time
necessary,
we'll
meet
there
but
we'll
definitely
meet
somewhere
between.
A
Right
we
we
went
over
this
morning
that
there's
10
I'm
preparing
tentative
agreements
on
the
no
chain,
the
13
articles
for
no
change
and
that's
articles,
1
2,
5,
9,
13,
14,
24,
28,
33,
34,
36,
39
and
40.,
and
I
finally
figured
out
the
formatting
issue
and
then
there's
two
tentative
agreements,
one
with
a
counter
proposal
on
article
eight,
and
there
was
another
one
on
the
I
forget.
I
don't
have
it.
I
don't
have
my
notes
in
front
of
me.
Was
it
21,
which
one
was
that.
F
C
A
C
A
Thank
y'all.
I've
got
all
the
tentative
agreements
for
today,
typed
out
and
done,
and
I've
emailed
them
to
you
and
what
I
the
no
change
tentative
agreements.
There's
13.
A
I
forwarded
to
you
article
one
article
two,
article
five
and
we'll
go
through
them
again:
article
9
13,
14,
24,
28,
33,
34,
36,
39
and
40..
So
those
are
13.
and
then
I
was
preparing.
I
was
looking
at
two
for
possible
ta.
Today.
I've
forwarded
to
you
as
a
proposed
tentative
agreement
for
article
21.
C
A
That's
for
the
holidays.
We've
we've
accepted
the
substantive
changes
proposed.
B
A
A
C
A
Seems
upon
and
the
coverage
part
is
not
the
issue.
I
was
I
neglected
to
look
at
the
changing
of
the
six
hour
and
excuse
six
months
to
60
shifts
portion
for
the
assistant
driver
acting
pay
and
that
may
have
a
cost
implication
and
we
have
to
analyze
that
or
see.
If
there's
any
kind
of
cost
implication
in
that,
and
I
need
a
little
bit
more
information.
C
A
So
so
it
right
now,
the
way
it
reads
is
that
it's
six
months
and
it's
six
months
within
a
calendar
year
and
and
then
the
assistant
driver
would
qualify
for
acting
pay
as
a
driver,
correct.
G
A
With
the
current
situation-
and
I
need
to
also
find
out
there's
some
information
I
need,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
thinking
about
is
if
somebody
covers
through
overtime
or
otherwise-
and
I
don't
even
know-
I
don't
think
the
swaps
would
count.
But
if
there's
situations
where
we
have
a
vacancy
or
someone
a
vacancy
that
needs
to
be
filled.
C
A
It's
filled
by
overtime
and
that
they
get
their
60
shifts
sooner
than
you
know
sooner
than
the
six
months,
then
that
that
is
a
possible
added
cost
for
the
city,
say
some
say,
somebody's
doing
a
lot
of
overtime.
Sometimes
I
don't
know
I
need
to
look
at
this
too,
because
I
don't
know
if
they
volunteer
or
what's
mandatory,
etc.
A
Take
all
of
that
into
account
say
they
get
it.
They
get
their
60
shifts
in
four
four
weeks
rather
than
or
excuse
me
four
months
rather
than
the
six
months,
so
that
adds
now
acting
pay
for
somebody
for
an
extra
two
months.
It
wasn't
that
wasn't
didn't
happen
before,
because
before
you
had
to
fulfill
six
months.
E
And
I
know
it's
not
consecutive
and
then
just
to
clarify
on
that.
The
acting
pay
is
only
triggered
when
they
drive
again
it's
not
for
the
rest
of
the
rest
of
the
year.
So,
okay.
E
There's
there's
60
shifts,
I
mean
you
go
by
60
shifts,
that's
what
our
paper
actually
says:
they
complete
their
60
shifts
and
if
they
were
to,
of
course
it
doesn't
happen
if
they
were
to
never
drive
for
the
rest
of
the
month
for
the
rest
of
the
year,
they
don't
make
acting
pay.
C
G
E
Also
on
the
to
clarify,
also
with
your
concern,
it's
a
current
practice
right
now,
when
these
assistant
drivers
get
over
time,
if
it's
an
overtime
as
a
driver,
it
does
count
towards
their
60
ships
and,
like
I
say
we
we
go.
We
keep
saying
we're
referring
to
60
shifts
because
the
actual
paper
that's
in
play
right
now,
where
we
have
to
confirm
each
each
shift.
That's
driven.
E
E
A
C
G
C
G
G
G
A
And
and
again,
the
60
shifts
is
because,
on
average,
the
average
shift
per
month
is
10
years.
G
Yeah,
so
we
were
just
trying
to
clarify
the
or
make
it
just
what
it
is
for
60
shifts.
A
Sure
and
so,
and
I'm
not
in
the
operations
part-
and
I
need
to
understand
so
that's
that's
part
of
where
the
the
data
that
that
we
need
in
order
to
to
understand
what
it
means
and
make
sure
that
that
it
accomplishes
what
what
both
sides
intend.
So
so
that's
all
it's
it's
not
anything
controversial.
I
just
didn't
have
enough
information
to
say
yes,
you
know
we
can
agree
to
ta
and
then
I
don't
you
know
yeah.
E
E
One
hire
they
signed
off
on
it.
They
know
that
you
drove
and
you
actually
have
to
go
because
you
don't
have
that
signature
they'll
tell
you,
go
get
that
signature.
Make
sure
you
know
we're
not
going
to
verify
until
you
have
that
signature.
Once
all
this
all
the
60
slots
are
filled
with
all
signatures
on
the
with
the
dates,
because
the
unit
also
used.
G
E
E
E
F
A
So,
but
we'll
look
at
we're
looking
at
that,
we've
already
requested
that
information,
so,
okay,
so
so
here's
the
I
have
printed
out
copies
of
the
each
tentative
agreement
article
I
have
and
I
have
two
two
for
original
signatures.
A
I
printed
out
three
copies
just
in
case.
You
never
know
something
one
might
mess
up
so,
but
this
is
the
article
and
if
it
here
I'll
give
you
the
two
copy,
actually
two
copies,
and
so
you
can
look
at
them
and
we
can
execute
them,
and
these
are
printed
off
exactly
from
the
email
directly
from
the
email
that
I
sent.
That's
where
I
pulled
up.
A
And
and
in
fact,
and
in
fact,
if
you
want
to
talk
to
just
talk
about
the
form
specifically
so
that
we
all
understood
that
there
was
no
changes,
I
have
tentative
agreement
and
I
did
mark
no
changes.
So
the
intention
is
on
there.
C
A
A
A
And
when
I
did
this,
it
took
me
a
while
only
because
I
compared
the
word
document
that
I
pulled
from
to
the
pdf
or
the
the
actual
physical
sign
document
that
we
have,
because
you
know
there's
two:
I'm
working
with
two
different
documents,
a
word
in
a
pdf
that
signed,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
there
was
no
inconsistencies
in
there,
and
that
was
the
reason
that
I
titled
it.
A
G
A
Sure,
and
and
I'm
going
to
try
because
I
know
things
get
tedious
at
the
end,
once
we
execute
these,
I'm
going
to
try
to
have
a
running
document
already
that
I
don't
that
I
will
share
with
you
if
you
want
and
we
can,
that
way,
we're
all
working
off
of
the
same
document
in
order
so.
A
Can
I
fill
out
the
date
on
these?
Yes,
okay,
so
it's
the
14th
yeah
fourteen.
A
Of
july
and
it's
my
computer
and
my
iphone
have
two
different
times.
I'm
gonna
go
about
my
iphone
time,
because
this
seems
to
be
the
517
yeah.
G
C
E
E
E
C
A
Article
one
tentative
agreement
here
I
have
article
two
to
intent
and
purpose:
no
change
to
that
one:
a
tentative
agreement
and
it's
14th
of
july
5,
19
p.m.
C
C
A
A
A
C
A
A
Right,
tentative
agreement,
no
change
to
article
28
payroll,
deduction
of
dues.
A
C
A
Okay,
tentative
agreement,
no
change
to
article
33,
no
strike
no
lockout
clause
signed
at
529.
C
A
G
A
Can
make
a
note
to
cur
just
like
to
correct
in
the
final
contract.
C
Just
for
the
final,
I
guess
I'll.
C
B
A
A
Okay,
candidate
of
agreement,
no
change
to
article
36
contract
copies,
but
there's
a
note
to
make
the
correction
signed
at
5
32.
A
C
C
E
A
Okay
and
the
last
one,
this
is
actually
a
changed
article.
This
is
a
tentative
agreement,
article
21
holidays
and
it
lists
it
as
holidays
and
lists
all
the
new
dates
that
were
proposed
and
we
have
accepted
the
firing
in
his
proposal
and
that
is
signed
on
5
36
pm.
A
A
Too
many
okay,
so
just
so,
we
can
go
over
the
ones
that
we
have
to
make
sure.
We
have
a
signed
tentative
agreement
for
article
one,
a
scientific
agreement
for
article
assigned
tentative
agreement
for
article
five
assigned
tentative
agreement
for
article
nine
assigned
tentative
agreement
for
article
13.
A
Assigned
tentative
agreement
for
article
33
assigned
tentative
agreement
for
article
34,
a
scientist
agreement
for
article
36,
with
the
notation
to
correct
the
i201
for
the
final
agreement,
a
tentative
assigned
detentive
agreement
for
article
39
and
assigned
tentative
agreement
or
article
40.
A
Okay,
okay,
so
we
got
a
lot
of
good
things
going
today
and
we
have
take
we're
taking
your
proposals
that
are
still
pending
and
we're
working
on
them
seeking
information.
A
So
if
we
need
any,
if
we
have
any
questions
or
need
any
information
from
your
side,
I
will
reach
out
and
and
ask
for
it
in
the
in
the
hopes
of
making
things
more
efficient
and
moving
things
along.
But
we
will
prepare
our
counter
proposals
and
proposals
for
the
next
meeting
on
july
28th,
and
we
will
also
make
the
public
posting
for
that
and
I
think
we'll
just
keep
the
times
the
same
starting
at
10
a.m.