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04-03-19 Technical Review Board Ad-Hoc Committee Meeting

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I'm in this German.

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Good afternoon it's April the 3rd 539.

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Yet I call this routine order. We have the world focus, sure.

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Mr. one-sidedness present mr.

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Dorkiness mr. Kirk crops here mr. Sisco tempo yeah mr. Edward or truck here.

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Your charity handle for thank you, sir I guess. The next time.

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The minutes from the March 6 2009 team meeting, yes I've, sent close the enemy up email. Since you recall it was in the recording, so I put notes.

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Right away, I try to do it, the minute that we're leaving her head and forget it much so. Hopefully, you guys had a chance to read, know their receptors separated on some of the sheets that were submitted. If you have any questions, I have that format. If you want.

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Just one quick one that.

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Just it was just.

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Next item on the agenda discussion with possible action finalized in the city of neurodevelopment, wrote, chapter 24, article 4, &, 5 of the purpose of revising the dimensional standards, setback requirements and any other matter incident future I.

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Provided late I guess today they use actual draft I.

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Also provided these setbacks, organs and anything in the black is what exists anything and ripped either we deleted write it. So if you could see how the it used to be just front yard, tip back requirements and then it had different sections in that it has car ports and I. Guess it deals with everything. So what I did and I have the document here?

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We could modify it I'm, not as I'm, not a good I, guess, English writer there's not leave that to the so far so, but I put it in the where the corporate was I. Just added sections to what this committee have discussed and if you think I interpret it wrong by all means, I could change it here. I have the document, please look at it and the other section is just crazy. The rear said that so really that's what it is.

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This is the format that needs to be provided to counsel, and you can see this is the form that they wanted to see last time that fancy that we did so you.

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Also have the Orden irrigation oneself. Do we have some exhibits there.

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In your package, I didn't send them an email that would that be attached to this. This.

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Part of the the submittal to either apply the zoning and City Council. We're gonna put the exhibits and it's basically I only have a two-dimensional I, don't and get a three-dimensional proposal of what it really is. But hopefully that's enough.

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Other than that, I just want to get the worry down that way. This committee fine license awardees so that our people can go straight to the NZ.

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Do like the introductory I could submit it to to City Council. Also I know City Council's been asking for a where? Is it AdWords that I'd move up, and it really has been staff that yeah.

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First, we have to butcher fancy, so we don't go through this.

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Weeks or elements it.

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Would be on the maze first, we can make correct, because today.

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Was this metal get water for it so be too easy smell, so nice first.

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Week of May or except for the third meeting further.

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Sweating or some nervousness it's a first Thursday of the month to plz so for that it needs to be in 15 days prior to it, which means today, if there's ain't we buried, I could submit.

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It already they.

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Could have it I guess if you got one I can put it in tomorrow, submit to the planners only copy you guys, so you guys are aware of any encounter of so many cases.

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It's a minute to find only analyze. That's what we want to do. I know the direct approach to whatever form is really nice, but.

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First, we could made, and then after that.

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And then second.

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Different circles.

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We were simply this, it's just introductory and then finally, so.

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They would answer already.

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In a habit, council communication already typed up, so it's just a matter of copying a Briton in there.

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Pretty much what's.

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That, after Gansey, you know they might have a theme. There might be some difference of opinions, but at the.

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The chair being, then, indeed, there's different. What you know, what they're gonna percentage, they're all night.

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The the council, the ideas yeah for us to present our ideas and musi presents their ideas.

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To attend the begins II on behalf of this committee, so that case would have to be.

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Have you happen to have any comedy stories, I.

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Think this is very incomplete, yeah.

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I think a bunch of stuff.

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From what was presented the first time and then it's not clear, you're.

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Referring to the setback warheads to.

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The city yeah to the suspect on the.

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Segment is talked in that section and if you read the top, if there's also a dimensional truck that I didn't attach to this, that is help me here. Thanks.

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Didn't take anything of what you yeah.

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But there's also in the in the lander government code, there's also staggered setbacks and all this stuff and I'll that's gonna go away because it's no longer gonna apply yeah.

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That's the recommendation again. Remember that's the recommendation from this committee, but it's not in this address. What.

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Pull up the magnet on the code.

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There's gonna be a lot of things in the level no longer gonna apply. What.

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Happened to the.

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Front part of this ordinance is, whereas in.

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The home, thank you, whereas the amendment of the second requirement Rd to be necessary.

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Appropriate wear as a proposed here in provide a wordy and helpful development of the city, so provides a standard required reading. This impacts, City Council somebody's highlighted primitive. It hasn't been any date, but it basically talks about how this document will supersede what was before I.

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Understand but there's a lot of sections that are not even mentioned in there. In other words, the way this this is only this is only modifying one to two sections and then you're going to present the chart. But there was more than this those two sections. It was a document that the mr. Bean's own had had presented that had all the multiple sections like off the top of my head. I can tell you that we had staggered set backs on r18 they're, no longer that no longer they're no longer apply the witness is worded.

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It is in what section I'm sorry you mean our zone, the land development code, yeah and, as you know, that you have a supplemental standards and the Supplemental standards section all that needs to be revised. So it's got this things well,.

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This community refer to this sections only he never talked about those other sections. Specifically, so that's my point, which.

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Talked about these seven for.

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Every one of them.

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And I guess: that's the trees kind of saying all the rest of them.

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Not a trip its paces away, it is you know that it was like changing what the right on that table. We I can read it from here. Oh I can.

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Make this bigger well expand.

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Your, what is it Wendell, Wendell Cruz, yeah,.

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My thoughts are very tough. There.

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Don't you wanna.

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Ask a question: are the dimensional standards part of article 4 and 5 of chapter 24.

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That's the agenda.

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Chapter 24 is where it is yeah.

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Few houses warning to me if you're gonna search, it's.

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Already adrift on the table a little pretty much yeah.

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Yeah, well, it's if the table it's the same table that we then we produce. The only change at the last meeting was that they wanted to take off some language. At the last meeting.

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The of the table, but we don't I, would I would think that we wouldn't want to have a conflicting information. Where one part says you can go again.

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They're redoing this whole land development code and I know that this is not something that this committee want to wait for. But so what they're doing here in your st. chapter 20 floor I'll go down the article for.

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What's article for.

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Standing purposes: okay and then definitions and the interpretations you want to change that. Also zoning districts and boundaries, zoning districts.

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Parker's special use permit conditional use permit resolution of distant matter in zoning new and next areas what else effects of district regulation the general permitted land uses. This is where see what.

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We did was no. The I Section 24 has supplementary zoning regulations right, but.

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We look at this section down here: 77.

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We looked at all the sections rollin we.

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Went through it and an article 5, this is only the dimension. All right here is what we looked at. Nobody.

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Check-Check the basis.

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Inserted reviews me yeah.

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Sure, yes, questions.

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Like here's, a rear yard setback requirement, this is curve right right. So the put what I did was you know it says: no, not another. That's 50%, everything's gonna be five feet. This is what you're saying right. You are you've talked about talk words, I scratched carports out in under is 50%. I left everything else at 50%, because you guys need to talk about. Porch is upper balconies, not in curls, and all that that's at 50%. That's at 10 feet right as long as a parking requirement. That's what I understood.

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There was two those two there was two things running at the same time: their existing subdivisions and.

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Later was changed to all of them right so everything's up. That's all right!.

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No, no, no! No! The committee did not want the existing subdivisions to be.

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More aged to be chanting, Iowa's from.

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The hold on a second, the.

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Not want the front part of the existing subdivisions to be modified, except for the carports. That was it. They didn't want to add any living area where existing for existing subdivisions. That was.

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Right off the bat everybody was saying: no, we don't want to alter the the you know the character of the neighborhood. So for new subdivisions we know on the front of the other front yards that was clear.

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So this language, I, don't think and I thought we had done. I can.

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Rewrite it right now, the thing is I would never a lot of.

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Notes, I recorded.

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The meeting was not recorded last week.

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Last time know I'm talking about from the previous committee. Yeah I think everything.

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The only change that the latter meaning.

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That y'all took the survey requirement off, though the only thing that changed at the last that has and that survey was on the chart of the dimensional standard. The committee didn't here's a dimension of Tyler psychic.

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Can you look in the USB to see and what it's right here.

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You whether this is the.

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Chart that you guys modified right, this.

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Is the one that you need everything on the site at the meeting, but now I'm kind of agree with it? Kinda doesn't get company since we meet so many times. You know as far as what the this.

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Gonna also be provided to them. Yes, well that one at the last meeting are gonna, go on the top.

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To maximize it, though, the actual page.

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No honey, no axel, no, no go back and click on page that page big one anyway, so that it recognizes it so bring it down a little bit. Yeah.

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The only thing that changed the other way bring it up, bring it up scroll it up. The only thing you change. Okay, there was okay, y'all scratch stuff. These deal on the the.

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Way you guys I didn't I haven't touched. It.

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That's right the way you're saying it's only had new plants after all, the asterisks and all that, yes,.

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But I don't know, but the actual, where you have this, where you talk about porches and fronts, it back so.

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What do you want me to add there to tie back to this then well.

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He's a worry now I'm, just saying what I'm saying is that the committee had done a bunch of work if I recall on the language, okay, I had all that saved.

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Here, wherever you're referring to.

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And I know the document that mr. feeds on presented to to the pnz had a lot more changes than just these two, because we got into the dimensional.

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These are the this, is the chart. I didn't see.

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Where you have it, maybe this is the counsel communication. This is what I happened to see. Jared, do you have what he's referring to or I.

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Should emulate my computer but I, don't I, don't know why you wouldn't have it all right.

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So was it changed here on the computer or when their doctor we know it's event. It took because I wasn't at the B and Z president.

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A misterben zone presented the document at BNZ and it had a bunch more danger than this. It.

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Was the same stuff that we work on here.

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Yes, so look in.

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There, the heart on the external.

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On the external driver to see you then.

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Use your drive remember.

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Yeah but then you you, you cleaned up the nozzles and PDF so.

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Oh, is this what we.

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To this one right here.

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Should the NI right.

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Is your USB right so it'd be this one yeah so.

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You're, referring to.

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It which one of these do you wanna go said by.

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Well, there was this: one is.

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This hey, that's a good idea, once we're done with this to go back in the Bekaa that we have the budgets that changes.

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Ways before that, yes, before what that one day, it.

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Should have been back in November, but.

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What's a date over the back of that document,.

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November 7th.

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Modify this one.

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The committee did not.

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Mean this one: yes, you know what I did was I downloaded the and just converted it that's. Why there's some some junky stuff in there well.

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You could view without the comments yeah.

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But it was not even they were been there for now. Let's be with you know,.

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Nobody's know we have you just lefty comments, you didn't know back, you know they don't.

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Drag on the side, you're gonna get to the twenty 4.77. Have the cool.

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Nor the 20 Oregon so agreeing to this one, which.

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Is what I'm referring to that's? The only thing that we talked about is what I was saying going back to that this 15? Why is this still before 77065.

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Right there she doesn't.

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You want this, this change in blue.

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See so we had agreed there that all devastating stroke out.

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This is the zone definition you talked about said: maxing knock this.

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Is defining the zone? This is.

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Over Eva midnight right, but this talks about set, but.

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Staggering sit back so this corrects and there so that there's no confusion. This correct in that part of the document mr. Bean's up presented, presented in scientist. If that was approved here, click OK.

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If you go back to the pai line, this defines the zone. If it's another one, you can do data. There's this and this right, you're whining that change. You talked about changing the setbacks, which is in a different section. I know it contradicts.

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No, the business part of the same to.

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When I won an r1, be what.

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We should be change changing this, what I defined it? The marathon.

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Defines what is a single family, our 1a or 1b, whatever.

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There's nothing different. The only thing that changes, the only thing that that refers to is a.

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Specific thing that.

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Dip, whatever differentiy r18 from the other, would just respect the setbacks. It's only talking about the fact that you can stagger setbacks and then.

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Marshmallows we discontinued only loaded on the setbacks and not so.

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Much you're gonna criticize it said that you can stagger 15 feet, 17 feet, 80, feet, I, don't know if anybody's ever done it, except on the cold, a second all that could. Then you have to push it back in the back of it and is pointed none of that would apply. Okay,.

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Well, when did we.

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Establish our ways.

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The blacks, the building setback line now.

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We know that that was one of the negotiating items when the r18 went went into effect, the r18 effect because they're having problems with the putts, so nobody came up with it. We came up with the r18 designations and, as part of the r18 does they came up with a staggered front from your setback. Okay, the.

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Thing the thing is: if it's not defined in the plant, the way we do it now we, if it's not in the planet, said this is the building setback. We go back to the dimensional standards chart so by changing the chart of mr. Sully. That was pointing out you're, basically changing that. Well.

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What I'm saying is that, when somebody reads this.

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Except that this actually still stands, it never would ever you're right, practically that'll, never work. But his point is what.

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About an old subdivision.

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If you reduce the one in the front, you have to increase the one in the back. Oh so the wrong.

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I'm not saying wrong and I'm, not I'm, not finding you see what I'm saying is what.

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Am I gonna came up the whole land development.

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Code to do the setbacks, are we.

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To only do the setbacks, because that's gonna be done, but you have to do it because otherwise it's a mess. In other words, you can't you can't do one without doing the other. I know you're. Looking at me kind of funny, no I, maybe have you just given.

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When we were clear at the last meeting, mr. Bean's owner had had presented the documents, not fine.

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I'm not against you, I'm saying you want to change this I can add it right either.

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Right now does.

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Over you, the committee.

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Yeah we're gonna go up. The committee wanted to change. Okay.

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Okay and then like that, essentially what it's gonna be.

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Changed like this, you guys can make a motion to.

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Whatever looks to be in Z, what happened? There was I think it was.

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A school and I kind.

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Of said, hey guys, we're gonna, bring us something.

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Very complete every bringing this very.

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Complete show was.

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Supposed to be changed and.

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Italics and read, and all that which I guess the system yeah.

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No, it's because this is what we've done here. The meeting we didn't have the actual document and then mr. Kings on worked on it and submitted the document to Planning and Zoning and then Planning and Zoning. Will we went to the meeting throughout all kinds of other issues, I think the deficit.

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Chart in Victor that's the way we right now isn't that right unless.

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The building setback is this, but why would you want it? Why would you turn it? Why would you let it turn in something so.

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Good, it's not complete I.

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Already just doesn't make it doesn't make sense. No, that makes sense it's kind of like that, but I'm, not the doorknob.

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I know we're trying to do the the new plots and then to existing it. One of my questions in this to perform. If we change this, is it gonna affect anybody on decision not.

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That specific one can they'd only refers to the way that you get your setbacks, approved at the planning stage. You've been going to existing summons, they have what this one 15 foot now, even if it was a vacant lot.

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Present, how do you interpret pain might be what listen when you interpret code? How do you interpret it.

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Most the most restrictive yes,.

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Or no, what we do in repeats, what are you going to use it for? What is it? What.

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Do you know that when you remember when the interpret in ordinance when you interpret something, what do you hope they do? You say the most restrictive applause? Okay,.

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Be more restrictive than the language on the other one.

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I think it's American, because what you're really saying where the dimensional chart is, if it's existing.

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Which everything.

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Right now, that's existing you're only going to want a change for carports.

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Am I right, I'll tell you what we do make. We do do a lot of work on on assumptions that we make and and we're gonna present the dimensional chart along.

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With it and I do agree in the sense that.

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I, don't think this is what's gonna go through I. Think pnz is gonna, have their opinion I think City Council is gonna change, some stuff up and I think we should have some language in here, no matter what we decide to do that it just kind of says: hey look we're voting on this just to not some money, everything up, they're not going to go and look through 10 pages worth exactly.

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Hell: okay, we're looking at.

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Existing the chart, but.

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And I'm saying, but when they go about it, whatever they end up voting on to.

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Clean to make sure you put it on I.

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Say oh, this is what my words.

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Overacted to the amendment, everybody can end up doing it. I.

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Disagree: I would say that is a.

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Bunch of work now.

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They're doing it like.

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You know I'm outside yeah, but I do think this week. I'm sorry.

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I'm just saying I.

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Would just put it in there and put it in a put a note, since they need to review the language for twenty four point. Six five point: eight is.

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That the only section one another just a recommendation- yeah I.

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That committee went, the committee went through this like at Nazia. Everyone went through it in the way through it and work through it. So.

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That that language, that was there, was part of the language that you know, Edward was helping with the punctuation.

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Saying I will change.

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You they use all the changing the based.

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I will say that we go around and around and around on, really what we should. It.

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Doesn't there's that same chart.

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It looks the same.

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Grab the chart when presenting.

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I agree and see what everybody votes on and then it's a whatever.

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Ends up voting on staff is tasks to go back to the land development code and correct any other things that conflict.

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Through it all right.

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It's just the green with you and then and then.

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We have another.

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Layer and then by the time, I dare get sore because it's already been done in the committee vote on a choice.

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Just see I mean this is the one you want right. I.

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Am suggesting what I'm suggesting is that the committee did a bunch of work and present the complete document. The whole purpose was to present the complete document that we go to it. It goes to pn, z, pn, z,.

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Said whatever section besides this 2465, no.

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Ever gets democratic there, because it's blue who said that it was our our our men. No, it was our it's all in blue. Does that mean it's democrats.

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My candidate gay, no party affiliation.

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Yeah nobody's gonna, listen signing up to okay.

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Well, I think the language is different.

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Is what I just now.

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And they have the silver, that's my opinion. Okay, so why would you haven't.

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Spent all that time ago, that busy.

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If you weren't, gonna, presented.

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That gonna happen what.

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Forward you know I, don't want to come to me, we're gonna. Do it doesn't go anywhere? Yes, the only thing I'm trying.

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To suggest just just move along Sherman that there's some confusion just.

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For the community just to both of them, you want us to update that whether something should be singer.

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Speed enough make a.

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Motion, it's really when all this was was just going kind of through all the rest of the land. On my coat just make.

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There was no conflicts.

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Yeah thinking on that fine with one you've already done but I.

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Mean if there's other areas.

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Part change would go back the language in somewhere else, one day main company.

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Let let us put some language in our language. You know online, no.

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Language shall be updated, your reflectance yeah this standard or whatever we voted on it.

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Where, what's of only so that there are obviously we at least play through, you know forefront that we want to avoid any conflicts. We've updated, but it's painstaking.

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Ordinance then it's it's a catch-all type field of the ordinance, its back.

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When it goes to these extreme changes,.

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Over time on the yellow, what it means is.

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Not much industrial I think that's an easy yep. It is a change.

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Disclaimer, just the khazars.

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On it, then it's there for others to understand what our intention correction, different.

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Generic phrase on the governance for to last.

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I'm sure we're not inventing the wheel here after the city to use some language on that yeah yeah.

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Very less yeah how.

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Many years before.

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Two months there.

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I mean: can we just go back to that language? Let's review the 65 there's just all from cursory agree, that's what it is and go and then, let's change the 77 to update it. I've got some red lines that I did so either they're on there or they're, not or they're. Something like this and let's get it okay boat it on that. Okay, my suggestion I'm at a short but I I'm, not a German either for the other. You should go.

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Back to their cognitive members that are redundant, in other words of theirs, there's some stuff that mr.

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Mcgann submitted they.

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Corrected the other stuff that we went through, that that should be included as part of the as part of the communication. The last thing you wanted, you want, you know, PNG, to throw it back. Yeah I agree.

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With that I, just let's pick take one of the Word documents and say this is the one we're changing. Let's say it's the one that Roland has which is what's this? Okay? Now, let's open your document and let's look at the 65. If that's not, there move it over. Let's look at the 77. Let's compare the wording between the section 77 and this and let's vote on what we're going to do and then we can add to it the help X, what I think I.

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Can run to the office.

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Why don't you get it justice.

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It was part of the agenda, though, or did you hand it out, was a part of the agenda item. Mr. Bingham was it was your document in the agenda and the whole packet of which agenda the one for the floor is that where we got table, was it part of the whole packet?

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This should be so it should be in the full packet. You know the full packet of that meeting. Mr. P zones changes will be in there, assuming that they assume. Is there publicize them? Sometimes you know these guys to ordinances, and then they don't. You know they don't put the full. You know they don't put the ordinance to get.

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Put the CAPTCHA they.

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Just but we're changing this and then everybody who surprised when you get to the meeting you know.

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What date it was getting open in November.

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Five or six you.

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Pages, this is the current one, but I could add it here at the top.

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So if I get pasted well, no.

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It should just do.

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Stupid you'll see.

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There's the same thing: I could just type it here. It's this section right to see. It's not copying what the other say. The blue part is not copying this because.

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It's no longer there planning.

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Oh, it's not copying what you're gonna have to do like a paste special. It's not copying. The stricken out go, go.

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Go go compelling.

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Copy want some what yes.

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Go back to there. Yeah I've got it here. Oh. Could you all have an email there? I can send this right. There.

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Date is enough: there's another 15th meeting or yeah.

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50, send it to.

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Yeah, let me uh emails over there. You're kidding. Can you who signed into that computer? There is nothing.

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It was like a guest, you don't have an Outlook Oh get to manufactured housing unit should ever be okay, I.

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Don't know how did our money do it last night because yet we're able to get a doctor been in here what our rules here.

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Open up I can open through the Gmail yeah.

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It's the same, the same doctor senator.

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Gps on 64 Angela.

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Things in there.

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This one has 11 7 or use it as a level 7.

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Nobody said that to tell me this one, this one's already.

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Had 3 this.

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Is your communication.

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This is already in the format yeah Oh.

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Over there Vincent everything what.

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Have a couple extra things in here that we have over here.

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No, it's part of the package.

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This ordinance can.

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You forward that attachment to things.

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Up yeah go for the whole deal well,.

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You should, can you.

J

Get into the city tonight that you come there and.

B

You're gonna do a website versus this for ready, there's.

J

Better, the December 6 meeting from the cities will go well, Jen doesn't division.

B

This year, oh wait a minute leave this. There are errors and missing changes on both communications. What do you mean based on this plan? The only and you sent an email in response to it that says: hey, there's errors and missing changes on both communications. I was an error in the packet. Previously sin did not include the communication.

J

For item 7a, the test is the updated packet. This is the updated know that they're, not the City Council, go into the department department.

B

J

Doesn't commission boards one meeting? Was it six for energy? You know attend the archive. We had something.

B

To do what? What meeting was that you did it and I'd like to keep it on there.

J

Like me, December the six: it's not really small packet, no whole decades. That's just the agenda.

J

It was at the end and they moved it up. No, no, no, they went was it at the beginning that the first time it was.

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The first time yeah, if you go down a little bit that way you can get there go.

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Right down, but it's the first item on though, if you, if you got a full packet, yeah.

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When I said that that.

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Email, mr. he's on corrected it, no yeah that thing they have a lot of complete those yeah.

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I'm into that see.

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So that thing, do you already have it we're just resubmit? The same. Do.

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7700, that's just.

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One who's completing the squares out that he's saying this, so what I need to do this is make it read, scratch it out and add it to seven seven point two, which is just incidentally, five or says: design criteria and I'll see what does that mine.

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It the November 7.

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Yeah you just took chamber this subway.

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Originally sent it, you responded and he said to you just forwarded harima when she originally set it up. I was a hair. There said missing my both communications.

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What's the attachment.

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But then I said, but then she put those and the packet previously said it did not include the commission for item 7a. She said I've, updated package responsible. You.

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Under this that that page I get rekt, I rid of this page here whenever it went.

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Well, where does it forever? Where does it say, design go.

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Back up so at the beginning, also, you deleted. Your return is out here. You won't know.

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Where it is, disability know you're used to being scratched up, yeah yeah, it's good on the death, but.

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If somebody for a rental for that stuff.

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And then for the other stuff missing this.

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Nobody there might have been something a little 17 extra is what she was talking about, that she fakes. Well, it's enough not about what you were referring to. Okay, I speak for the, how something I've said she corrected that piece of it.

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That what is on the pnz.

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Is supposed to have already visit the.

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Other one see just listen is read, so we can also run it for.

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City Council, okay,.

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Standards yeah.

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So that's gonna be.

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Some different sanctions so now I got a bad section 24. What is it for.

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What you should do is just take that document, the mr. Bean's on presented and then just make the change to that front sheet that she obviously.

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Have sent on to Ana, so it's in.

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This was changed.

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We went through the cuz, we're.

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Looking at two documents, we're like why we're looking at this one and we're.

J

Looking at the PDF and then we went through the PDF, and everybody said yes, it's approved, guess it's approved yet, as approved is its approved on the PDF. We were looking at two documents.

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And mr. Pinto and copied over this stuff from.

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That's what was a minute to TMZ and I'll, see why we would want to change.

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All right, this is the lower guys submit right where's, our one.

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But the yellow 30 down right.

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Know what I have put.

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The one I was submitted to PNC I.

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Don't have that that's the thing you know we could find it yeah.

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Your created item yeah just lie here, but but it's the same deal and it's already done and get out those eart. You.

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That you got when we had all fixed.

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It in the other one, because this was converted.

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You did you see that was already gone.

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This seismic change- that's gonna, be submitted along with the organs all right. So that's.

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Already stated.

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On the orders that I.

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Was it wasn't, reported the wording and now I have the wording here that you guys want I can just use that word II, which is but I want to make sure which one.

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You want, oh, no, that's.

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What I call that stuff, that's in there I think is already in the okay Jesse.

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Was already we.

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Can look at it.

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Whatever you use.

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We can do just for the sake of time, since we really know what files there are.

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H

Much if I guess I don't know if it's some ocean or not, but we can try to combine those things we can have. We still have where I actually technically, we still have two weeks to submit for PNC, because today was a deadline for it for this next one yeah.

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So we're not gonna we're not gonna. Do it for the.

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Like yeah I would just say, everybody would need.

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Back to me, what we're trying to send a chance to look yes,.

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We'll send it this week.

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Just give it this final blessing this you know my email search dude if there's a special little meeting, just to communicate any I.

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Didn't mean it make sure they any minor knick-knack.

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There I'm, if not, then everybody's okay, we'll.

B

Proceed I mean yeah what she was talking about on this one mm-hmm was yeah a lot of these changes that there were none here like the one that was presented to the last one, the the chart yeah, but the one at the bottom Mike Francis, no accessory building should be located less than two and a half feet from the side, but I think that's going away.

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November 7 comes. You come up this blue one here.

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Yeah, what what section like that blue.

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Should not be located less than two and a half foot from the side, but sit back and that's how the whole 50% rule I.

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Think you guys.

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To make sure to try, for you not allowed to a hat well.

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You take them, you take up that 50%, we're.

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This because there's a hole there of that accessory, that's really.

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It yeah 50%, which two and a half feet: 10, that is 50% of the side, setback yeah.

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That's part of the.

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50% deal all the way around yeah.

C

It's here, the no accessibility shoving goes into about it's already. It's.

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Already there in the rear, where this is rear, and then you go up a little bit on 9.

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E

As as a sides yeah.

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So I didn't we are changing the side of that drop. I just need a document that, because it's a different number of here like I, guess.

B

Since we're moving the 50% rule, if not that people can just instead of being 5 foot now it becomes two and a half foot all the way from so we never had 50% rule out of there. That's what that two and a half so wiped up. Yes and I'll, be frank. Today, yes, make a chart, it doesn't matter, because if the 50% rule is out of there but but I would trim it, it's leave it consistent. You know. Can we did that for everything like in the rear and the your setbacks? The last time.

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We need to change that leader. This is a section.

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That was our only chance talking.

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It's a lot more liberal, but but.

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You're saying: is it something that was already worked on and rode enough? Well, what.

B

Ended up happening was the last ordinance that was presented to pnz. It's still kept that two and a half foot from the rear property side property- oh, that was still in there and since.

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We got away from.

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That 50% deal all that two and a half foot language all goes away, see on that one. We.

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Still have that no.

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Accessory building should be less than two and a half foot from the very property right, yeah.

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If you look at the other one, we took it out just.

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Carlos discussing taking it out and that's kind of a jury if we're giving on the yeah.

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You use in the back and the sides and we're gonna well.

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Wait, the way you said no longer implies I have.

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It now you're gonna prefer.

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Know we're gonna take off this 50% from.

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The puppet and I'll select it just just making sure from Patterson, so you we can keep that five pretty much the five foot setback. That's what you're trying to get.

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Down rise, five feet on.

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The sides five feet in the back and then in the front for corkboards it's up to the proper time they.

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In them 50% or tempteth feet for the living area as long as it.

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But I will be frank, though, if it's.

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The way that we presented it.

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Doesn't pass City Council comes up with a different deal charge. Well then, this is gonna follow a lot of stuff. In other words, if this part gets passed, but the other part doesn't.

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H

Yeah, but we can, we can do those updates yeah.

B

Nobody, you know two and a half foot and all that and then you go to City Council I said now: we want to leave the 20 foot setbacks on there, but they changed some other stuff. The whole ordinance gets passed like this.

A

Right good morning, yeah, let's concentrate on the truck and the truck children. Everything that we're doing the wording should be a part of that you know two percent of B and C. This is what we need to. Let them know what's happening, what we're changing this is the word E.

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And what happened.

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Is you need or admits that.

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You'll submitted the first.

J

Mr. Mintz, on what happened at the meeting is that the chart didn't even they started blasting.

J

The charts are the first item when the presentation goes back to P and Z. The first item should be the chart and our to review.

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The church, you still need to present.

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The other changes so that when it when it ended.

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You don't know right.

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D

Chart this chart doesn't speak to carports, so we still need to address that issue somewhere else. The.

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Cardboards was addressed in the in the notes of the moment.

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And then open Lavanya.

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Direct air, no, no.

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I, don't remember the carport being in the note in the chart, but.

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Anyway, I think.

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They personally.

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For me, I think they both need to go hand-in-hand. The chart is the priority. The warning is a secondary we've. Already, we've already reached I went through some of that rewording. I, remember, working at myself place, giving my comments on so aren't.

G

You pretty far you been here for feel.

B

It are we presenting it, the carport as a separate issue from the rest of it after over. How are you guys presenting it because it was all together? It would not be the first time you all came back and said: oh we're, gonna.

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B

What was the recommendation from yes and now? What's gonna happen to this new management.

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Is no we're still gonna follow that saying.

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Deal but the thing is right now that I've.

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Never before has it as flood setbacks and at least everything forefront, so car parts obviously front. So we want to make a special section just for carport yeah.

J

Because that's what I will do it, but this doesn't talk to car ports in there. You know it's.

C

An under dimensional.

J

Standards, it starts to the fact that you've got a 20 foot, front setback and then on the supplementary standards, it tells you it's open. You can make this modification. If you give into this, you can make this modification.

G

Yes, wide open to the business, that's that's why it didn't.

J

That's why it wasn't ever part of the chart, because it's part of the supplemental spenders and everybody.

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Understands it, in other words,.

J

When people see this, they know unless you're from out of town and then you start asking a bunch of questions and then you have to go look through the, but.

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Guys that are an industry like right now.

J

I'm Sur, so you guys are saying yeah, you know, because that's you look at the charges. Okay, I've got a 20 foot, building setback. You go into a supplementary standards at oh, but if it's a it's a if it's a covered patio in the back three sides open nothing more than two and a half feet or three feet whatever it is, you can do it up to 50 percent. So that's why both of them need to be done. You have.

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That, in that is.

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Look at the footnotes to the.

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Financial, a second.

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Feet 1600: you bow before place on less than that. Actually, but but two bedroom four flex. Sixty four hundred sixteen hundred two hundred foot, you could build a one-bedroom four clinics for with forty eight hundred four feet, but you need six thousand square foot for total reflux go to the okay. I know we're night, but you know we're on the chart. I, don't understand why we've got to do six thousand square foot. That's one of the things in this chart. 100 foot for manufactured home, low minimum depth, yeah.

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In the duplex 6000 square feet doesn't make any sense.

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I'm, just gonna go by the way you always building things. No, no parking for.

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Tiny homes in one lot, I like.

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Parking space for unit 3 and if you reach over the parking fee, then they chain.

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One yeah no, but that one was very park.

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Lisa green.

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Okay, well, the.

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Tiny, the one we're.

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Ready, like a pretty house rule.

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Tom Price trees, either.

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We've already voted on this. Oh.

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Time for to address it, that's a supplementary standard. I know he's.

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Just saying it's not a it's.

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Not a good you never going to be in the chart, never gonna be the chart.

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Yeah, yes, these are building setbacks and then you have supplementary standards that have certain exceptions so.

B

You address the.

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Car ports and the supplementary student.

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Should we look at.

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Voting on adding in the r1 a we're putting in that r18 language about the staggered set backs into this ordinance.

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Cuz, that's what was your question you know, but on the.

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Definition: yeah, okay, that's I, think that's the only significant change that it looks like that. We had made our.

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1A the rest of the document section.

B

Whatever world I'm putting it in there, it's already, so this thing doesn't go another month, price.

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Without the big change.

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It was that in all the 50 percent two and a half foot.

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B

I'm gonna do. The only thing, though, is what, if the whole ordinance gets changed a little bit of it. If the dimensional standard.

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That happens and.

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Okay, we'll bring it back to.

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B

Only works if we have five foot setbacks and ten foot in the front and all that. But if we don't but Jenny will be shooting myself in the foot. If we change all the rest of the stuff. But.

D

We're trying to prove what we're trying to present to Council as it changes that will stand alone. You accept all of this. That's our recommendation yep. So all of that would include the.

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Other changing the five foot so.

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You've got to take out the fifty okay. Now it's up to councilmen.

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That they want a piecemeal what we've recommended we like this, but we don't like that. That's on them to do that! They're going.

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To have to move it, send it back to the thirteen.

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Happens and American mass.

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Emotion that just speaks to that, so that overall.

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Specific emotion, you tell me what it should say.

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Mean he's gonna put it all together.

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And have an email and then we just.

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I think in the motion we we understand those circumstances should we not host for the first meeting in May. What.

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A minute sure it gets posted everybody gets posted, yeah I cannot go around there. Riley.

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Understand they complete this part of what would mr. release is pointing out I'm.

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Just saying all.

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One is right there, it says here was the original set back. If we look at it back, I'm.

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Sorry, mr. Pitts son canoes, a big favor, did you log into your email there on that.

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Where you got to get up with the do, I have it here or whoever heads on there he sent tha. Could you send via email all.

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Those documents.

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That dr. highway, you guys I, do know you have him right now. The one.

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That we're gonna merge, okay, just so that that way, when we get to the completed one, we.

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Also had a measure against yes,.

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And then we can make a decision. Okay, now wait. Everybody understands this is where we're talking about this is will be presented their money to double checks. It.

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And we can vote on it now and then there's no more go require everybody's up.

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To make sure we have all this, but we're gonna, do it via email using.

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After the PMZ, depending on what they came up with yeah the words like they're PNG of PNC,.

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Makes a recommendation and change something it.

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Gives you it gives a committee a chance to adapt to theirs or say no either we like their change or we don't like their change. We want two separate documents going to come to council yeah. So now.

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J

Committee going to do if they table it again, what's that what happens if pnz tables again.

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Which they forward it to the yeah.

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C

I'm wrong Victor City Council wants this. They want something presented to the more correct.

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We've submitted to plan and zoning they're working on their.

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Is a tMI's recommendation? We can yeah.

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The promoted II, which is percent for this day,.

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Hearing though the most important thing is, there was a public hearing at pnz right, there's been no. This will be the third public hearing. Okay,.

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C

The issues, the dates that I need to change to here that are in yellow yeah, so it's part of the.

B

Just this one is the irrigation: will staff put it on the City Council agenda and you guys sponsor it doesn't have to be, and because.

G

That will be zoom I'd. Rather, nobody sponsor.

B

It specific Nick, okay, cuz.

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I think the between the.

C

Before we do that, so the fact that it's going to panzine that they may have a different version, that's their.

B

Prerogative two different camps on there that, whether it comes from staff and then that way nobody's thank you for sure.

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C

Going to have that ready for council communication and I really do that needs to be moved forward. So.

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H

To push I guess, because we have five more minutes, are 750 negative.

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You guys you're making a commotion and we still have one little item. We just want.

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To briefly talk, there's.

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Aggregation so.

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I guess: let's: let's.

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Finish this one.

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Or I guess this one will entertain a.

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Combine the ordinance that was presented to us today and to incorporate all of the changes.

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B

Motion shin-bi mr. cross, mr. Krause and second Signet, all in favor hi motion carries so I. Guess we'll get that email out and then we'll all be.

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Able to tell it was right, because I probably need to get everything ready.

B

Sure, but now that we have identified both those documents, maybe we can get this one email. That's.

E

Today on everything right now and then we'll be well.

B

The other one, the one in November that one already has the stuff in blue and the committee will.

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Discover a reference or so so take the the PMC file. Combine it with me copy.

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H

Push forward I think we all understand with files. We need just for the next item from what you guys got presented. Also, you do have the irritation ordinance. What what Roman was trying to pretty much I guess our art bowl is. This is where we're trying to push it already with with Council, and this is just the final just the final bless man I think the updates were made from them for the last meeting, any minor minor components in the guys, just when I.

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Only the only I mean I see a few grammatical things which we can do was mayor, but the only thing I see was the reclaim water which in red but I, checked that with the current ordinance. And so that's exactly the yeah. That.

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Was brought up at the meeting it wasn't supposed to be in red, oh okay,.

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Yeah I liked are a little it's.

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Already there this is there a nation.

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A bnz meeting, yes, it was clarified that.

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That section 25 93 reclaimed water.

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Just got highlighted.

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And just in case this one.

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Not part of the land development code, so we don't have to go through pnz, so.

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Forth this is this: this already with the P.

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But I like that, we can just push your poverty and since there's no fee or anything like that, free myself as an introvert, the audience was good. Yeah, there's public your get their.

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Jersey club here in similar.

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Sneeze evolved.

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For Kristen senses or something.

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Cuz, you all had a chance to look at that: Kurt, okay, yeah tags.

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I know it was, it was pretty much, though.

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Well and where they, where.

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They talk about using this because just.

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Everywhere: okay,.

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With the exception of the fleet of except really except another, they took reclaimed water and said there was something in Spanish and one-mississippi Dublin.

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In there it highlighted.

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The holes it was correcting a typo that was like it's magnet page.

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Most important parts.

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That anything, that's with a twenty five people are Street.

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Now has to use the water.

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Efficient systems you.

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Know the stuff that's.

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A heavy water instead of spraying.

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The water then lips a wind just taking everywhere. It's got.

J

To be the heavy drop system, that's number one anything within twenty feet and then there's anything there can't be any landscaping closer than what 48 inches from the back of curve from the back of Kurt. So.

D

If you think about so like there's a pic some water and a little bit into the newer subdivisions, oh boy I was so when you think about like the newer subdivision, like in our neighborhood Kurt's. The final walk is in the four feet, so the older subdivisions that don't have a sidewalk pedigree, we don't want any landscaping services and.

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That's ongoing annular detection really.

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For people would be there.

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Well, yeah, you can put.

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Like a zero scape.

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Yeah and there's no vegetation.

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Rock just nut no vegetation much mr. Kerem.

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Obstructing the view or what is it.

H

From a meetings that we address yeah, an immediate area was underneath.

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The pavement a public on order, then.

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We can have already to take.

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That out to be a brittle yeah get rid of that.

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But kind of make a compromise with yeah.

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Any organs will use a whole problem on the streets falling apart is.

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People are over irrigating and they keep running the systems and the water.

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That everything rich was anything.

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That's 25 feet.

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J

Number one, because in the fire ordinance they said it had to be drip system. Well, drip system doesn't work if you're trying to find grass and stuff like that, so that one, the other thing was that in the fire ordinance you couldn't have any any sprinkler systems within 48 inches from the curb. So what people were doing is they put their sprinkler systems to the property line and then there towards.

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The curve towards.

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Get and at the overlap to get.

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When there's no overlap.

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When there's no overlap you over water because you're, they.

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Gives you a think it's not getting enough water right? Sorry.

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Well, sorry, Tony.

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Came in you have to triangulate the deal so.

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What was happening.

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Is they were going from from the property line? There's a pencil trying to hit the deal.

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Was no sprinkler systems in there and what.

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Was happening, is it was going over shooting so.

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All of a sudden, your street.

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Is falling apart? Cuz the water keeps hitting it's just directly. One directly charges towards the street was another one, and then the final one that.

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Have been commercial that.

J

Most people in the commercial subdivisions are doing them anyway. Is you have a median, then you can no longer landscape the whole median you're gonna have to stay away from.

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J

Some of the newer design- you see you know they're still putting some of the grass right up to the curb, so they're gonna have to modify.

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J

On see going forward and.

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Just keep the water as far away from the.

J

Screen as possible a window, those are the main major.

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Changes one on you.

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Know one of the things that's so important that the matter now of regulating.

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And how do you do this educate the digital controllers.

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15 minutes.

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15 minutes you.

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Know run to three-minute cycles. You know twice.

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Gentlemen, just in case rolling, has just one minor concern. Well,.

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Sir, just wanna clarify fabrication.

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Three inches: it says that vegetation, shell is there's no irrigation or vegetation shall be installed right.

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Yes, which is typically.

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In most subdivisions, it's the back of current and the sidewalk.

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Right erect right, that's basically the space that in most of most newer subdivisions, that's the.

B

Store that the sidewalk would be unless I have an acre when there are like.

C

Backup curve a little strip, total grass and then a sidewalk yeah.

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C

In the right way, right looks very few solutions now have its own still have so.

D

If you had the backer curve, this is my thought: do you have the back occur of space and then the sidewalk that space between the back of curve of the sidewalk would be zero scape right.

C

We really no irrigation system this. What I'm, saying and then over here 20 feet the first 20 feet. You must irrigate a certain like the there.

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Was the the watersense, so basically everyone in high tech. Everything within your front lot would be a more water, efficient system.

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J

Feet, you look, lies Elizabeth, it's 20 feet from the.

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Is usually the first time.

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I'm happy is right away and then the other leg happy.

C

To the private property, you have to make sure that that so that's my question is: do you guys want me to present a little diagram to City Council when we can finish already made a pool or move forward I.

J

Think they're gonna they're good. Unless every note our Maori, we had a bunch of era Gators at the meeting and the others too, and everybody they wanted more options to irrigate within that four feet, because nobody was being able to irrigate in those four in those four feet, because the the drip system doesn't work. Okay, so the only.

C

Thing that changed this document was I put the number 20 because it didn't I just say: that's fine. You.

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To point that out, oh really, change everything.

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Else stays the.

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Same busy good deal, okay,.

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So that one is ready to go, that's going already to City Council and then beansie's already been up late, so we're gonna, you know, hey staff recommends it TRB recommends it. Fans only recommends them. So.

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It's supposed to be cochlea just move.

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So that's all you want to be City. Council know.

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Consciousness is it we haven't presented.

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That format to you guys already so now it's there, the.

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Council meeting is going to be the first someone that I think it's a.

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On Thursday.

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J

Thing tomorrow, no.

C

But there's gonna be up, I, don't think. There's gonna be a third see because the third no.

H

I think there will be, because they were talking about it, that yeah.

G

C

Council that 15 April 15th is going to be the following one's first, which is going to be made at first correct.

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