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Historic District Board of Review- October 24, 2022
A
A
B
E
B
All
right
tonight
we
actually
have
two
applications
to
go
through
the
first
one
223
the
application
was
incomplete
and
the
submitter
of
the
application
understands
that.
So
we
will
not
be
going
over
223,
West
3rd
Street
so
to
go
through
the
meeting
and
how
it
will
go
just
so.
Everyone
understands
how
these
the
meetings
happen.
B
C
F
Regulation
concerning
moving
inventory,
but
our
we
have
a
couple
different
options
that
we
can
do.
As
you
know,
we
wanted
to
put
a
building
there
and
that
was
to
allow
us
easy
movement
of
our
inventory
from
our
new
production
facility
to
our
Tasting
Room
that
zoning
there
was
a
zoning.
Something
was
wrong
there
and
they
didn't
want
to
allow
us
to
build
in
that
location
and
we
were
told
we
could
park
there.
F
That
was
the
primary
use
that
we
were
instructed
to
use
it
for,
which
is
what
we
are
using
it
for.
We
opted
for
the
shipping
containers
for
inventory
control
versus
semis,
which
we
thought
would
be
semi-trailers,
which
we
thought
would
be
more
visually
disruptive.
We
have
always
planned
to
do.
The
Landscaping
we
talked
I
talked
with
Brooke
a
couple
times
about
that
and
again
today
she
gave
me
some
input
she's
going
to
be
working
with
us
with
the
arborist
in
town.
F
There
I
know
some
neighbors
planted
some
trees
and
that's
really
great
of
them,
but
the
problem
is
the
soil.
There
is
left
over
from
the
coal
company,
it's
a
really
bad
soil.
So
it's
going
to
take
more
than
just
some
planting.
It
will
require
some
amending
of
the
soil
selection
of
the
right
kind
of
trees
and
a
lot
of
watering
they.
Unfortunately,
we
were
really
excited
when
they
planted,
but
they
lost
the
entire
east
side,
except
for
one
tree
and
most
of
the
trees
on
the
northern
part
of
the
property.
F
Now
on,
the
city
are
extremely
distressed,
most
likely
from
the
drought
but
I'm,
not
real
sure,
they're,
going
to
make
it
either.
We
have
not
done
any
Landscaping,
not
done
any
maintenance
at
all.
Just
so
everybody
can
kind
of
see
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
our
hope
would
be.
Our
plan
is
regardless
of
what
we
do
is
to
plant
and
Landscape
in
collaboration
with
the
city.
F
On
that,
that's
where
we
stand
parents
do
you
have
anything
else
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know,
Terence
is
a
new
partner
with
us
and
he
will
be
taking
over
operation
of
the
winery
sometime
in
the
future.
We
don't
have
a
date
yet,
but
he'll
be
the
new
owner
for
Atlanta,
Winery
and
Distillery
cool.
E
B
F
My
personal
preference
is,
of
course
flowering.
Trees
will
probably
go
with
Red
Buds
they're
they're,
pretty
good
in
that
area,
but
we're
going
to
be
working
with
the
City,
Arborist
and
I
do
need
to
talk
with
Purdue
University
I've
talked
with
that's
my
alma
mater,
but
I've
talked
with
him
a
couple
of
times
and
I'm
a
Master
Gardener
through
their
Master
gardening
program.
F
So
the
soil
again
seems
to
be
our
biggest
issue.
We
had
planted
Red
Buds
there
and
they
did
really
well.
They
don't
give
the
screening
that
we
wanted
or
even
originally,
and
so
we
were
suggested.
They
suggested
that
we
use
Forsythia
bushes,
which
would
provide
more
spring
color
and
then
some
winter
coverage,
as
well
as
some
wildlife
and
bird
coverage.
We
need
to
look
at
what's
called
a
xeriscape
which
is
a
very
drought,
tolerant
planting
and
so
we'll
be
working
with
the
City
Arborist
on
that.
Now.
F
That
assumes
that
the
front
excuse
me
the
North
edge
of
the
property,
those
Evergreens.
If
they
sustain,
we
would
be
delighted
to
have
that.
The
only
thing
we
would
ask
that
we'd
be
able
to
do
is
put
Christmas
lights.
On
that,
that's
all
we
would
do
we
ran.
We
have
enough
electric
to
be
able
to
run
lights
to
those,
and
so
that'll
provide
a
great
screen
on
the
North
side.
We
would
like
to
go
back
to
what
was
originally
there,
and
that
was
the
the
Red
Buds
and
the
Forsythia
they
had
done.
F
Well,
there
not
sure,
there's
one
maple
tree.
That's
really
really
struggling
right
now,
and
it's
just
because
of
the
way
that
soil
is
all
of
those
trees
that
used
to
be
on.
There
have
always
ended
up
on
Mill
Street
for
one
reason:
another
they
just
fall
over
the
wind
knocks
them.
So
it's
it's,
not
a
real
good
area
for
deep-rooted
trees.
D
F
We
would
like
to
do
with
the
gravel
area,
which
is
a
zero
scape
and
you'll,
find
that
on
a
different
aerial,
you'll
see
something
very
similar
with
our
neighbors,
the
rickets.
They
used
a
stone
wall
where
they
brought
in
Evergreens
and
over
planted
with
Evergreens.
We
do
not
want
it
to
look
like,
let's
say
the
city's
wall,
that
they
have
down
on
Jefferson,
Street
and
Vaughn.
F
They
have
that
same
type
of
riprap
and
they
have
not
over
planted
it,
but
we
would
like
to
see
something
there
that
would
grow
over
and
and
look
a
little
bit
better
from
our
point
of
view
because
of
the
long-term.
If
I
understand,
Terence
right
one
of
the
things
he
would
like
to
do
once
we
can
figure
out
moving
inventory
and
things
once
we
get
our
new
building
open
in
Hanover.
That
area
would
also
be
used
for
events,
so
we
have
a
vested
interest
in
making
it
attractive
from
ground
level
as
well.
B
F
Now
the
business
has
grown
so
much
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
move
in
larger
quantities
and
our
recent
business
expansion
calls
for
a
lot
of
wine
to
be
moved
between
locations.
So
Terence
has
overseen
the
addition
of
The
Distillery
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
how
that
all
is
going
to
work
out,
but
our
options.
We
thought
that
the
shipping
containers
were
more
acceptable
because
we
will
own
the
shipping
containers
and
we
were
going
to
paint
and
add
murals
or
something
to
them
to
make
them
more
attractive
to
our
guests.
E
F
F
F
How
yeah,
okay,
so
there's
a
couple
different
things.
The
alley
in
and
of
itself
is
a
little
tight
where
the
city
has
the
little
bridge
that
goes
over.
The
Culvert
is
adequate
for
a
semi-trailer
to
pull
in.
We
approached
mayor
Courtney
about
the
possibility
of
widening
that
when
we
were
looking
at
a
building
there
to
make
it
easier
for
us
to
get
semi-trailers
in,
we
would
probably
be
parking
four
to
five
back
there
semi-trailers
and
just
I
I.
F
The
containers
are,
as
you
see
them,
I
I,
don't
know
that
we
will
be
adding
a
another
container
back
there.
I
know
that
we
are
moving
the
dumpster
from
the
main
parking
lot
back
to
this
area
back
there,
so
that
we
can
allow
more
parking
if
you've
ever
like
this
weekend.
If
you
were
down
at
the
winery
you,
there
was
no
place
to
park,
they
were
on
the
street
and
over
at
the
visitor
center
and
everywhere
else,
so
that
will
free
up
an
additional
three
parking
spaces.
F
If
we
move
that
there
we
are
adding
a
shipping
container
at
our
new
location
and
that'll
be
a
40-foot
one.
It's
a
40
foot
one
and
so
we'll
be
rotating
back
and
forth.
It's
a
little
bit
more
time
consuming,
but
we
thought
it
was
the
better
thing
to
do.
Then:
semis
going
back
and
forth
or
sitting
up
I'm,
semisa
I
think
when
we
measured
them,
Brook
was
I
think
it
was
as
like.
Six
to
seven
feet
in
height,
we
were
trying
to
keep
it
as
low
as
possible,
but
I
do
think.
With
the
Landscaping
plan.
F
F
B
B
C
B
F
B
E
F
F
F
Right
in
here,
landscape
right
here
with
the
Crabapple
and
a
couple
other
bushes
and
trees
right
here-
we're
gonna
come
right
back
down
this
way
where
we
had
them
before.
This
is
a
red
bug
right
here.
These
are
Forsythia
bushes
right
here
we
will
continue
Redbud
real,
quick,
we'll
shift.
It
will
all
the
whole
street
then
we'll
have
those
spring
colored
fall
leaves
in
summer
where
we
would
have
trouble
and
some
visibility.
We
need
a
bush
like
a
forsythia
or
some
type
of
low
Evergreen.
That
would.
D
F
F
F
And
they
Wiggle
It
Off,
bring
it
in
and
spin
it
around
spin
it
around,
but
we
would
know
that
it
should
be.
Containers
is
substantially
lower.
That
is
I
can't
promise.
You
I
feel
very
comfortable
with
the
containers
that
we've
been
hiding.
Containers
I
cannot
promise
you
that
would
be
so
they're
going
to
set
up
quite
a
bit
higher
and
for
us
we'll
put
them
in.
If
that's
what
you
want
us
to
do,
but
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
difficult
for
us
to
do
any
type
of
events
or
anything
out
there
up
in.
F
A
F
The
shipping
containers
were
already
there.
Two
of
the
shipping
containers
were
already
there
and
we
were
using
them
to
move
things
back
and
forth
now.
The
problem
with
the
shipping
containers
being
there
before
we
and
you
can
tell
from
one
of
the
pictures
before
we
put
new
gravel
in,
was
that
they
sink
in
that
ground.
Over.
E
F
That
used
to
that
pit
has
always
been
there.
The
hole
was
always
dug
and-
and
you
can't
really
see
that
because
of
the
the
debris
coverage,
but
that
was
a
cold
pit,
so
the
ground
was
very
unstable
and
very
soft,
and
so
we
had
trouble
with
shipping
containers
and
one
of
the
photos
that
you
have
actually
show
one
of
the
Big
Fork
trucks
stuck.
E
F
That
and
then
they
had
to
bring
down
a
wrecker,
a
big
giant
wrecker
to
to
pull
it
out.
So
that's
a
real
issue,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
you
see
the
shipping
containers
placed
strategically
right
now
along
the
edge,
because
those
are
higher
and
drainage
is
meant
to
come
down
toward
the
alley.
We've
we've
looked
at
all
of
that.
F
H
F
Didn't
have
any
the
only
time
we
had
an
intention
to
build
a
building
was
when
we
made
a
proposal
for
to
put
the
building
there.
The
shipping
containers
would
have
been
a
moot
point
because
we
would
have
had
a
building
there
and
our
they
would
have
been
either
underneath
the
the
building
that
we
proposed,
or
we
would
have
had
some
type
of
storage
on
that
ground
level
that
allowed
us
to
meet
ATT
requirements
and
secure
alcohol
or
Spirits
at
that
level.
So.
F
I
F
F
Under
the
current
Administration,
that
is
not
likely
we
ask
for
that.
Permit,
we
were
just
we
were
denied
a
zoning
setback.
They
did
not
want
it
and
we
were
told
by
the
mayor.
We
could
use
it
for
parking,
so
here
we
are.
We
would
like
to
have
a
building
there
if
someone
wants
to
reconsider
that,
there's
still
an
option
for
another
expansion,
but
that
won't
likely
happen
for
five
years.
F
F
Their
home
was
actually
zoned
industry
before
they
they
changed
it
to
residential,
but
it's
an
industrial
area,
and
we
take
very
we're
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
took
a
very,
very
damaged
piece
of
property
contaminated
land
and
a
building
that
no
one
else
would
have,
and
we've
turned
it
into
the
largest
for-profit
private
tourism
destination
in
the
community.
We're
very
proud
of
that.
We
take
our
responsibility
seriously.
We
own
several
other
historic
properties,
so
this
is
important
to
our
business.
We
just
need
to
know
what
your
guidance
is
on.
It.
F
G
F
Reason
we
aren't
is
because
the
vote
was
essentially
2-2
as
I
recall,
and
it
was
very
clear
to
us
that
the
board
did
at
least
some
of
the
board.
Members
did
not
want
that
and
it
was
basically
we
got
permission
to
do
that
on
a
technicality,
and
that
was
not
over
our
head
guys.
We
we
understood
that,
so
we
still
needed
to
do
something
to
stabilize
that.
E
F
We
lost
a
lot
of
of
land
doing
it
this
way
and
and
it's
very
expensive
for
us
to
do
it
this
way.
But
that's
what
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
Zero
Escape
this
we're
going
to
make
it
lovely
we're
going
to
make
it
work,
we're
going
to
paint
those
containers
and
it's
going
to
be
both
an
inventory
movement
location
for
us,
a
logistics
place
for
us
as
well
as
terence's,
organizing
the
events.
I,
don't
know!
F
E
G
F
Okay,
Dunlap
advised
us
on
that
and
they
brought
in
a
special
fabric
for
that.
A
couple
things
that
we
did
have
to
do.
A
neighbor
had
taken
their
downspouts
and
part
of
the
problem
with
water
on
that
North,
especially
the
northwest
corner,
was
that
we
had
downspouts
draining
like
a
waterfall
into
that
property.
E
F
Don't
I
didn't
do
the
engineering
I
just
paid
the
bill,
so
it
is
stable
now
and
we're
in
good
shape,
but
I
I
I.
Don't
even
though
it's
used
a
lot
throughout
the
community.
You'll
see
it
at
at
the
tack
Factory
down
here:
they've
used
it
for
landscaping
purposes,
it's
all
along
their
west
side
down
by
the
sewer
plant.
It's
it's
very
lovely.
They've
done
a
great
job
with
it.
E
F
See
the
city
uses
it
in
a
couple
places
and,
as
I
said
down
on
Jefferson,
Street
and
and
Vaughn
Drive
they've
used
it
and
if
you
can
sit
on
Von
drive
and
you
can
look
directly
to
the
east
from
that
same
location
and
you'll
see
a
yard
that
has
riprap
on
it.
I'm
not
fond
of
the
riprap
look,
but
you
know
I
think
that
the
Ricketts
have
done
a
good
job.
They
didn't
use
riprap.
They
just
use
regular,
some
type
of
gravel
that
they
use.
F
It
was
smaller,
a
little
bit
less
expensive,
but
they
planted
Evergreens
over
that
low
growing,
Evergreens,
junipers
and
I.
Think
those
look
kind
of
nice
they've
also
added
some
Red
Buds
back
there.
So
that's
nice
to
have
neighbors
doing
that.
But
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
something
on
it
and
I.
If
it's
not
going
to
be
a
low-growing,
Juniper
I,
imagine
it's
going
to
be
some
type
of
perennial
xeriscape
that
will
give
us
very
heat
and
drought.
F
Tolerant
for
that
we're
not
having
the
moisture
problem
that
we
had
before
we
threw
the
riprap
and
the
drainage
from
the
west
side
has
been
dealt
with.
So
we're
not
seeing
any
problems
with
that,
except
where
we
have
not
been
able
to
put
to
gravel
yet,
which
is
now
where
you
see
kind
of
some
mulch.
You
guys
issued
a
stop
work
order,
so
we
we
didn't
move
any
more
gravel
or
do
anything
else.
F
Yeah,
you
know-
that's
very
interesting.
I
know
that
this
board
really
feels
strongly
about
that.
A
couple
members
do
and
I've
kind
of
hesitated
to
talk
about
that,
because
that's
not
really
something
I
think
this
board
directly
deals
with,
but
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
that.
I
did
meet
with
the
cities.
Floodplain
manager
and
I
showed
him
what
we
dealt
with
with
the
state.
E
F
I
said
you
know
if,
if
you're
trying
to
hold
us
to
a
standard,
you've
got
a
problem
because
the
lumber
Mills
in
a
more
restrictive
flood
plain
and
you
just
built
condos
and
a
flood
plain
down
there.
So
what
is
regulated
by
DNR
and
what
is
not
regulated
by
DNR
was
really
the
question
and
what
hazard
do
we
assume
when
we
have
our
containers?
There
I
have
the
flood
maps
just
in
case.
F
G
F
G
F
G
F
G
F
F
E
G
F
F
G
The
the
you
know
our
experience
here
in
Jefferson
County.
Unfortunately,
we
had
a
prize
flood
not
too
long
ago
in
the
county
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
not
a
problem
until
it's
a
problem
and
the
state's
very
serious
about
these
flood
plain
Maps
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
the
one.
That's
that's
sitting
here
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
I
will
discuss
it
with
Landon
just
to
be.
F
F
So
we're
very
understanding
about
that,
and
we
appreciate
your
concern
for
our
business
I'm.
Just
really
stuck
here.
I
really
am
glad
that
you
care
it's
just
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
want
me
to
do.
If
we've
talked
with
the
state
DNR,
who
has
been
very
clear
with
us
pretty
much,
they
told
us
this
two
or
three
times
now.
Why
do
we
keep
calling
and
Landon
who
who,
when
we
told
him
that
said
he
would
check
himself
and
then
he
did
and
he
followed
up?
F
My
best
advice
is
just
check
with
him
and
if
something
has
changed
that
we
aren't
aware
of
in
the
last
three
months,
give
us
a
call.
If
you
want
us
to
raise
it
up
two
feet,
we'll
raise
it
up
two
feet
that
may
or
may
not
be
the
same
as
raising
it
up
five
or
six
feet
on
the
back
of
a
semi
I
I'm
like
you,
I,
really
don't
want
it
to
be
that
visible
and
if
we
can
leave
it
where
it's
at
we'll
leave
it
where
it's
at.
F
J
F
We
work
hard
at
planning
so
that
those
containers
can
be
moved
easily
at
certain
times
of
the
year.
We
will
not
be
loading
them
heavily.
I
can
guarantee
you
in
January
and
February
when
there
may
be
well
when
there
is
a
higher
risk
of
flood
in
late
Feb,
February
early
March,
and
we
watched
snowpack
and
all
of
that,
so
we're
we're
not
going
to
put
a
situation
in
there
where
we
can't
get
our
million
dollars
worth
of
inventory
out
of
there.
Well.
G
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
think
you're
wise
I
think
the
other.
The
other
issue
is
the
state
really
does
not
have
control
of
the
flood
Fringe,
so
you
would
not
get
any
feedback
from
them.
Really
it's
up
to
us
and
part
of
our
role
is
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
talking
about
what
you're
planning
to
do
there,
the
visibility
doesn't
impact
the
surrounding
historic
area.
Sure,
and
that's
that's
why
I
bring
it
up
I
mean
to
me.
G
G
K
E
F
A
F
C
E
B
F
L
M
My
name
is
Charles
Ricketts
I
live
at
707
West
First
Street,
with
my
wife,
Mary
Pat
I
thank
Ken
for
asking
that
question.
I
didn't
know
he
was
going
to,
but
I
had
the
same
question
to
ask,
because
if
you
change
after
you
get
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
shouldn't,
you
come
back
to
the
board
and
I
think
if
that
was
answered.
Yes,
so
my
wife
and
I,
we
leave
it
next
door
to
the
lot
in
this
application.
M
M
You
have
what
I
would
call
rules
or
laws.
You
call
them
provisions
so
first
under
provision
15101
the
purpose
of
the
board.
Why
are
you
here?
The
historic
area
is
of
great
importance
to
the
social,
economic
and
general
welfare
of
the
city
and
should
be
protected
I'm.
Reading
that
from
your
rules,
the
intent
of
establishing
this
board
is
to
protect
the
district's
natural
and
man-made
Heritage
to
stabilize
and
improve
property
values
within
the
district
to
Foster,
Civic,
Beauty
and
improvements,
and
to
promote
the
use
of
the
historic
district
for
the
education
pleasure.
M
M
M
But,
more
importantly,
perhaps
the
proposal
to
expand
manufacturing
and
warehousing
at
the
site.
Zone
heavy
Manufacturing
was
probably
contrary
to
a
City
Trend
towards
converting
more
sites,
Zone
Manufacturing
in
Downtown
Madison
into
residential
housing
and
Parklands,
as
opposed
to
the
coal
yards
and
scrap
yards
before
they
went
out
of
business
and
the
land
was
reclaimed.
M
E
M
M
M
M
N
N
Were
they
shared
with
anybody
before
she
dug
the
hole
and
defoliated
the
area?
I?
Think
if,
if
there
had
been
some
pre-planning,
things
might
have
gone
a
little
smoother
I
I
can't
understand
how
moving
containers
in
and
out
of
that
area
fits
the
the
idea
of
historic
matters.
This
is
a
this
is
a
manufacturing
operation.
N
It's
not
a
historic
operation
and
I
I
would
note
that
they
have
to
expand
the
alley,
because
Miss
Hagemeyer
has
encroached
on
you,
so
I
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
a
a
business
that
the
winery
is
is
well
taken.
Care
of.
It
is
appropriate
for
the
setting,
but
all
of
this
inventory
control
seems
a
little
out
of
bounds
and
they
have
a
facility
in
Hanover,
which
is
a
large
structure.
K
K
Don't
understand
that,
especially
if
the
ground
is
contaminated
and
as
far
as
the
neighbors
graciously
planting
trees,
it's
because
their
trees
were
killed,
their
sprinkler
system
was
exposed
and
their
PVC
pipes,
so
I
think
that
it
went
past
just
clearing
a
little
bit
of
foliage
out.
So
they
are
good
neighbors.
K
You
do
have
the
Zone
the
storage
facility
in
Hanover,
which
I
you
know,
you're
10
minutes
away
or
whatever
I,
don't
understand
why
that
can't
be
brought
in
as
needed.
I
don't
understand
the
need
for
a
area
to
contain
a
lot
of
inventory
just
in
Madison
and
especially
like
the
other
gentleman
said.
If
this
was
done
against
the
original,
it
wasn't
granted
that
they
do
this,
and
then
it
was
done
anyway.
K
The
only
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
I
love
Madison,
that's
why
I
came
back
to
it,
and
it
makes
me
very
sad
that
there
are
people
who
use
intimidation
and
bullying
to
get
what
they
want
just
because
they
want
it
and
they
think
they
deserve
it.
So
I
hope
you
consider
everything
that's
been
going
on
and
for
those
who
go
by
the
rules.
K
I
Own
the
business,
the
Derma
bar
at
the
corner
of
Mill
and
Main
Street
and
love
Downtown,
Madison
I'm,
just
coming
here,
unbiased
as
a
person
that
wants
to
say
that
I
have
a
lot
of
clients
that
come
in
and
we're
just
down
the
street
from
the
winery
and
in
the
past,
I've
even
recommended
people
can
go
to
that
Winery,
but
I
have
clients
all
the
time
coming
in
saying.
Oh
my
God.
What
happened
down
there
and
I
don't
know
what
to
explain
to
them.
I
I
I,
don't
want
to
tell
them
that
this
is
a
permanent
thing
for
Madison,
but
I
do
get
clients
that
come
in
and
have
recognized
their
their
visitors
to
Madison
they're
coming
in
from
Louisville
and
Cincinnati
over
in
Kentucky
I
get
a
people
from
all
over
and
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
times
that's.
Why
I'm
here
tonight
that
I've
had
people
come
in
and
say
what
has
happened
down
there
so
so
thank
you.
F
Just
wanted
to
quickly
address
we
landscaped,
we
didn't
put
in
a
retaining
wall.
I
did
get
a
letter
from
Mr
Jenner
asking
us
to
build
a
retaining
wall.
We
opted
not
to
do
that.
I
want
to
be
real
clear
that
what
we
did
was
landscape,
like
you
see
throughout
the
community.
That
was
a
substantial
investment
on
our
part,
but
we
didn't
violate
anything
that
the
board
told
us
to
do
or
not
do
the
retaining
wall
we
could
have
built.
But
basically
again
that
was
on
a
glitch.
You
didn't
really
want
that.
F
We
opted
to
landscape,
we
didn't
we
weren't
required
to
come
back
and
get
permission
to
landscape
in
terms
of
visibility
from
the
road
again.
I
know
that
that's
what
everyone
is
concerned
about
or
some
people
are
concerned
about.
It
is
a
matter
of
time
for
us
to
solve
that
problem.
We
could
put
in
a
fence,
but
that
was
something
that
no
one
else
wanted
either.
F
F
We
have
a
lot
of
support
and
a
lot
of
concern
for
how
we
have
been
treated
and
I
can't
really
explain
that
to
anyone.
I,
don't
know
why
I
get
a
letter
threatening
me
about
floodplains.
I,
try
to
be
very
Cooperative
about
that,
and
what
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
to
avoid
any
embarrassment
for
anyone
is
table
it
so
that
I
can
show
you
the
email
from
Mr
Landon
that
my
attorney
just
showed
me
this
evening.
He
carries
with
him
so
that
you
can
see
that
we've
done
everything
the
way.
F
We're
supposed
to
do
it
and
we
are
trying
to
be
a
very
good
neighbor
the
hole
in
the
ground
was
there.
We
didn't
dig
it.
We
got
rid
of
the
homeless
and
the
drugs
and
the
Copperheads
and
the
debris
that
was
being
dumped
there.
I
understand,
Mr
and
Mrs.
Ricketts
are
extremely
saddened
by
what
has
happened.
We
did
go
to
our
neighbors.
We
did
offer
to
pay
for
trees.
I
have
a
letter
from
Mr
Ricketts
that
when
he
first
denied
us
paying
for
the
trees,
then
asking
us
to
pay
for
the
trees.
F
I
I
have
that
documented,
where
we
talked
with
our
immediate
neighbors
I,
really
truly
regret
that
no
one
talked
to
Mr.
Miller
he's
been
very
kind
to
us
over
the
years.
He's
a
he's,
a
nice
gentleman.
We
should
have
thought
to
do
that
and
we
just
did
not.
It
was
an
oversight
on
our
part.
We
focused
mainly
on
Mr
Hollis
and
Mr
Ricketts,
and
so
we
don't
mean
to
offend
anyone
in
the
community.
We've
worked
hard
to
do
that,
but
rather
than
stand
here
and
continue
to
say,
these
issues
have
been
dealt
with.
F
We
are
within
what
everybody
tells
us.
We
need
to
do.
I,
don't
want
a
situation
where
I
get
a
letter
about
us,
replacing
wooden
windows
with
vinyl
when
I
have
to
come
in
and
quietly
say,
hey.
Look.
We
probably
don't
want
to
have
this
conversation
in
public
because
here's
a
bill
for
vinyl
replacing
vinyl,
you
know
I,
don't
want
to
have
those
conversations.
I
think
the
historic
board
has
enough
difficulty
as
it
is.
F
Without
someone
standing
up
and
having
to
dispute
everything
that
you
think
you
have
I,
just
don't
think
you
have
all
the
information
so
I
would
like
for
you
to
table
it
so
that
my
attorney
can
be
in
touch
and
provide
you
all
the
information
that
you
need.
Some
of
the
things
that
have
been
brought
up
this
evening
by
neighbors.
They
would
not
be
expected
to
know
they're
just
neighbors.
They
hear
what
they
hear.
Some
are
rumors
and
that's
okay.
They
don't
have
to
like
us.
We
still
refer
to
the
Derma
bar.
F
B
F
I
can't
remove
right
now,
but
I
can
guarantee
you
that
we
will
not
the
only
scheduled
container
that
we
have
will
go
to
Hanover
Indiana
and,
to
be
honest
with
you,
a
lot
is
happening
with
railroads
and
logistics
for
containers,
and
things
like
that,
so
we
may
or
may
not
even
get
the
container
out
in
Hanover,
but
I
can
promise
you.
Nothing
else
will
be
added
to
that
lot
and
I
will
keep
that
commitment
and
we
will
not
add
to
that
lot
till
this
issue
is
resolved.
F
If
you
ask
me
to
remove
them,
I
will-
and
this
is
a
part
I-
don't
understand
if
I
have
to
bring
in
semi-trailers
I'm,
not
sure
any
amount
of
landscaping
is
going
to
solve
that
problem
back
there,
but
I
can
park
semi-trailers
back
there.
I
can
use
that
for
parking
and
I'm
trying
to
work
with
you.
I
really
am
okay.
B
A
A
G
B
So
this
will
be
tabled
for
another
month
to
the
until
the
November
meeting,
and
then
all
the
documents
can
be
exchanged
between
the
City
attorney
and
your
attorney,
and
then
our
City
attorney
will
decide
what
we
can.
What
we're
able
to
see
before
then
all
right,
thank
you
Terrence
and
thank
you
for
the
audience
and
your
input
into
that
application
as
well
all
right,
our
next
application.
E
C
This
application
has
been
made
by
Ryan
Rogers
regarding
a
Circa
1925
colonial
revival.
It
is
contributing
structure,
zoned,
historic,
district
residential.
The
COA
request
is
to
construct
a
roof
section
to
cover
the
existing
porch,
add
concrete
pad
and
replace
a
wood
window
with
a
three-quarter
light
door.
The
application
has
been
modified
since
it
was
first
filed
just
to
make
note
of
that
publicly.
C
G
O
That
covers
the
existing
porch
and
the
awning
is
compromised.
It
has
a
couple
of
small
tears
in
it,
and
lots
of
pinholes
I
mean
so
any
water
that
comes
from
rain.
The
porch
gets
wet
so
again.
Looking
at
trying
to
replace
the
canvas,
awning
I
just
thought
it
might
be
better
to
put
a
permanent
structure
over
that
to.
C
If,
if
I
may,
I'm,
sorry
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt,
this
is
one
of
the
original
renderings
given
for
the
application.
So
the
existing
blue
section
that
is
highlighted
there
for
the
new
porch
roof.
It's
going
to
be
extended
six
feet
out
more
than
that,
so
I.
If
I
have
my
bearings
correctly,
the
house
faces
put
somewhere.
Second,
the
house
is
facing
north,
so
this
would
be
on
the
opposite
end
of
the
house,
the
southern
end
of
the
home.
This
is
the
East
Elevation.
D
J
D
O
O
O
J
D
J
E
D
E
B
So
you're
not
really
sure
yet
shingles
is
on
the
application,
and
so,
if
you
do
want
to
change
to
a
metal
roof,
you
know
you'd
have
to
come
back
unless
it's
standing
or
you
don't.
If
you
go
stay
any
seam
you're,
okay,
yeah.
But
if
you
want
to
try
to
go
a
different
metal
to
be
it's
going
to
it's
gonna,
okay,
so
the
standing
scene,
you
would
be!
You
could
easily.
E
D
J
J
B
H
J
B
D
I
have
one
last
question:
I
see
the
original
porch
and
on
the
East
elevation
of
what
you
hope
it
to
look
like.
What
is
that
is
that,
like
a
hot
tub
in
there
between
the
house
and
the
porch,
I,
don't
see
on
the
photograph,
I
see
an
open
space
and
there
I
see
some
sort
of
a
deck
or
a
hot
tub.
Or
you
see
what
I'm
saying
the
area.
J
B
D
Yeah,
okay,
so
I'm
planning
additions,
the
best
approaches
to
side
editions
where
they
will
not
be
visible
from
the
street
or
where
they
will
have
the
least
effect
on
the
building's
overall
form
and
plan.
The
rear
of
the
buildings
is
the
best
locations
for
additions,
rooms,
Wings,
porches,
decks,
enlarging
a
property
through
adding
additional
stories
is
not
appropriate,
except
that
the
rear
roof
line,
which
is
not
readily
available.
Well,
obviously,
you're
on
a
corner,
and
you
have
very
limited
space,
so
you
cannot
go
back.
D
You
know
any
further
unless
you
want
to
be
in
your
neighbor's
yard.
So
you
know
it
is
going
to
be
seen
from
the
street.
However,
it
does
mimic
what
you
currently
have
there.
It's
just
a
larger
size.
Additions
to
historic's
home
should
be
located
at
the
rear
of
buildings,
not
on
the
front
or
the
sides
of
the
building.
D
D
Addition
should
not
imitate
an
earlier
historic
style
or
architectural
period,
and
it
doesn't
it
basically
mimics
the
canvas
awning
that
you
currently
have
up
there.
The
recommended
approach
is
for
additions
to
reflect
characteristics
of
the
current
period
and
designed
but
compatible
with
the
original
building.
I
think
what
you
have
planned
does
comply
with
that
guideline.
D
To
avoid
extensive
removal,
damage
or
loss
of
historic
materials,
addition
should
be
kept
at
the
exterior
walls
of
the
original
building
as
intact
as
possible,
which
you're
doing
and
use
existing
door
and
window
openings
for
connecting
the
addition
to
the
building
so
I
think.
For
the
most
part,
the
construction
of
the
addition
is
in
compliance,
or
at
least
partially,
in
compliance
covering
the
lower
level
of
window
does
not
follow
our
guidelines.
However,
I
understand
you
know
the
need
for
wanting
a
little
more
patio
space
or
space
to
entertain.
D
E
B
And
I
agree
for
the
same
reasons:
I
think
that
you
know
the
point
on
the
the
window.
I
mean
I
know:
we've
had
some
windows
get
turned
into
doors.
You
know
from
this
board
that
we
have
approved
in
the
past.
It's
not
something
we
necessarily
like
to
do,
because
then
that
really
does
change
the
characteristics
of
the
home
and
if
it
does
change
it
from
being
a
you
know,
a
historical
part
of
it,
then
that
you
know
is
a
big
deal
to
us,
because
then
you
then
you
may
have
lost
your.
B
You
know
a
historic
home
in
Madison
because
it's
been
changed
drastically,
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
the
case
here
with
where
it's
located,
even
though
you
can't
see
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
will
actually
change
that
appearance
and
take
it
away
from
being
historic,
you
know
in
nature.
That's
just
my
opinion.
J
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A
D
G
B
J
P
Old
business
at
two
Council
meetings
ago
at
the
city
council,
took
a
vote
on
the
design
guidelines.
It
did
pass
for
approval,
so
the
consultant
and
I
are
working
through
some
minor
changes
through
DNR.
They
had
some
grammar
errors
that
they
caught
and
a
couple
of
other
edits,
but
hopefully
it
will
go
to
the
printer
in
the
next
week
or
so
and
then
get
you
packets
to
start
using
I'll,
probably
start
using
them
in
January.
So
there's
a
good,
clear.
P
Point
but
part
of
our
grant
is
printing
of
I
believe
200
printed
copies
of
those
so
they'll
be
out
for
both
the
board
members
and
public
to
stop
by
and
we'll
make
a
bigger
announcement
once
they're
available
in
the
office.
Other
news,
the
city
council,
had
their
second
reading
on
the
survey,
update
and
minor
modifications
of
those
ordinance
so
use
that
it
will
go
to
third
reading
at
their
next
meeting.
A
C
B
C
C
Ron
Bladen
at
110,
West,
Main
Street
to
replace
existing
deteriorated
wood
windows
with
aluminum,
clad,
wound
windows.
On
the
second
floor,
only
Chad
and
Sarah
Renfro
at
118
Ferry
Street
replace
existing
straight
wood
staircase
with
a
new
wood
staircase
with
a
landing.
So
it's
replacing
kind
with
one
slight
modification
for
design.
C
So
the
October
21
COA
review
Dale
Wells
at
1037.
West
Main
Street
received
a
COA
to
build
an
attic
addition
to
the
house
to
house
one
room:
half
bath
four
wood
doors,
one
in
the
front
and
three
in
the
rear,
using
wood
asphalt,
shingles
wood,
slash,
aluminum,
clad,
Windows,
Eight,
exterior
lights
and
Hardie
board,
siding
that
is
in
progress.
C
Christy
Nichols
and
Patrick
Lynch
at
820.
Fillmore
Street
extend
existing
room
by
three
feet
on
the
North,
slash
east
corner
of
home,
using
same
materials
as
existing
tear
off
existing
deck
and
replace
with
a
larger
deck
of
22
by
25
feet
with
gable
roof
using
same
materials
as
current
deck.
That
is
in
progress,
Chris
and
Gina
Lynn
at
2.
40
or
excuse
me,
you
should
say:
214
16,
West,
4th,
West,
2nd
Street
to
demolish
two
rear
chimneys
that
it
has
been
done
and
then
Melissa
and
Todd
Miller
and
718
West
3rd
Street
to
demo.