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From YouTube: October 9, 2014 Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
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Minneapolis Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
A
Good
morning,
I'll
call
to
order
this
regular
meeting
of
the
zoning
and
planning
committee
today
is
october,
9th
2014.,
I'm
lisa
bender,
the
committee
chair
and
I'm
joined
by
community
members,
council,
member
reich,
goodman
and
council
president
johnson
council,
members,
johnson
and
wasabi
are
absent.
We
are
a
quorum
of
the
committee.
A
A
A
number
of
items
on
today's
agenda:
we
have
10
items
on
today's
agenda.
Most
of
them
are
on
consent,
we'll
start
with
those,
and
then
we
have
two
discussion
items
items
number
one
and
two
are
being
continued
one
cycle
and
they
actually
may
be
withdrawn
by
the
applicant
item.
Number
three
is
a
vacation
at
1100
and
112
quincy
street
northeast
item.
Number:
four
is
a
zoning
code
text
amendment
regarding
second-hand
goods.
A
Number
five
is
off
street
parking
regulations
in
the
overlay
district
in
the
university
overlay
area.
Item
number
six
is
approval
of
the
nicholas
island
east
bank,
small
area
plan.
Item
number:
seven
is
approval
of
the
saint
anthony
east
neighborhood
small
area
plan
and
item
number.
Eight
is
adoption
of
the
sheridan
neighborhood
small
area
plan.
A
So
there
any
discussion
or
questions
about
those
consent
items
at
seeing.
None
I'll
move
items
three
through
eight
for
approval,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
those
carry
I'll
move
items
number
one
and
two
to
continue
one
cycle
any
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed,
nay,
and
that
carries
then
we'll
move
to
our
two
discussion.
Items.
A
B
Good
morning,
madam
sharon
committee
members
we're
here
before
you
with
the
metropolitan
council's
regional
policy
plan
on
parks
and
open
space.
As
you
know,
the
metropolitan
council,
through
state
statute,
has
jurisdiction
over
housing,
transportation
parks
and
open
space
and
water
and
water
management,
and
the
met
council
adopted
the
thrive
2040
plan
in
may
that's
the
region's
comprehensive
plan
and
the
vision
for
the
next
30
years.
Subsequent
to
that
over
the
summer,
the
council
released
three
of
the
four
policy
plans
for
public
review
and
comment,
each
of
which
has
a
45
day
period.
B
As
you
know,
through
the
transportation
public
works
committee,
we've
already
reviewed
the
transportation
policy
plan
through
the
community
development
committee.
We've
already
viewed
already
reviewed
the
housing
plan,
and
today
is
that
zmp
will
take
up
the
parks
and
open
space
plan.
The
water
policy
plan
has
been
delayed
by
the
met
council.
We
won't
receive
a
draft
of
that
until
the
end
of
this
year
or
the
beginning
of
2015..
B
So
this
the
parks
and
open
space,
and
I
should
give
you
a
quick
update
on
the
transportation
policy
plan.
I
I
had
a
phone
call
from
a
colleague
at
the
met
council
at
the
end
of
the
day
yesterday
they
are
working
through
folding
comments
into
the
public
comment
report
and
they
are
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
handle
all
of
the
comments
submitted
by
minneapolis,
because
it
seems
that
far
and
away
our
comments
surpassed
comments
from
any
other
jurisdiction
in
the
region.
B
I
think
they
received
700
comments
and
more
than
200
of
them
were
from
minneapolis,
so
they're
looking
at
how
to
incorporate
all
of
that
into
the
actual
public
comment
document,
because
they
have
received
such
a
large
number
of
comments.
The
the
met
council's
review
of
the
transportation
policy
plan
has
been
delayed
a
month,
so
they
won't
take
that
up
until
november.
B
Today,
as
I
mentioned,
is
the
parks
policy
plan.
This
is
a
plan
that
is
important
to
the
city,
but
of
course
it's
also
important
to
the
park
and
recreation
board,
and
so,
with
this
particular
plan,
we
not
only
collaborated
with
colleagues
internally
in
various
city
departments,
but
also
with
the
park
board,
and
our
intention
is
that
we
would
each
present
separate
comments,
but
that,
to
the
extent
possible,
our
comments
would
help
augment
the
comments
of
the
other
agency.
So
joe
bernard
is
here
to
give
you
more
details
about
that
report.
C
C
There
are
ten
regional
park,
implementation
implementing
agencies
and,
as
mr
byers
mentioned,
the
park
board
is
responsible,
obviously
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
what
we
are
looking
for
and
what
we
have
looked
for
in
our
comments,
the
city
staff
has
gone
through
the
document
and
identified
the
other
systems
that
we
are
responsible
for
in
the
city
and
how
the
regional
parks
plan
can
help
us
achieve
our
goals
in
land
use
and
transportation,
and
vice
versa.
How
can
we
make
these
systems
work
better
with
our
regional
parks?
C
The
plan
does
a
number
of
things
that
focuses
on
defining
what
a
regional
park
is.
It
establishes
what
the
responsibility
is
of
the
met
council
in
terms
of
making
our
regional
parks
work
and
also
defines
what
the
park
board's
role
is
and
what
local
jurisdiction's
role
is
in
say
adopting
small
area
plans
and
implementing
these.
These
regional
park
plans
it
sets
policy
goals
for
expansion
and
maintenance
of
the
regional
park
system
and
they
base
these
goals
off
of
what
was
identified
and
thrive,
the
goals
of
stewardship
prosperity,
equity,
livability
and
sustainability.
C
C
C
Access
to
regional
parks
was
something
that
was
identified
as
really
important
thing
for
the
city
to
focus
on
and
that
especially
our
areas
racially
concentrated
areas
of
poverty,
making
sure
that
those
parts
of
minneapolis
have
access
to
the
regional
park
system.
And
we
feel
like
this
policy,
is
going
to
be
very
helpful
in
in
in
supporting
the
park
board
in
the
city
and
implementing
projects.
Like
the
changes
that
we
are
looking
to
see
happen
on
the
upper
riverfront.
C
C
Staff
is
requesting
some
clarification
on
on
how
our
plans
will
be
looked
upon
when
we
submit
them
to
the
met
council
for
approval.
There
seems
to
be
potentially
some
conflicting
language
about.
What's
an
appropriate
adjacent
land
use
to
a
park,
and
I
think
both
both
having
lower
density
development
near
regional
parks
out
in
the
excerpts
and
having
higher
density
development
in
the
city
adjacent
to
our
regional
parks
is
appropriate
and
we
believe
the
met
council
feels
that
way
as
well.
But
there's
some
language
that
we
think
could
use
a
little
bit
of
tweaking.
C
We
would
like
to
see
an
acknowledgment
or
a
better
understanding
of
how
local
parks
can
can
help
support
the
regional
park
system
in
achieving
the
goals
outlined
in
thrive,
and
there
are
some
discussions
we've
had
with
the
park
board
about
that
issue,
as
well.
So
we'd
like
we'd,
like
to,
at
the
very
least,
to
see
encouragement
from
the
met
council
to
to
plan
local
park
systems
in
such
a
way
that
they
improve
access
to
the
regional
park
system,
for
example.
C
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
unbelievably
thorough,
so
I've
read
through
all
your
comments.
I
think
it's
very
very
thoughtfully
done
it's
very
much
like
the
housing
policy
plan.
I
think
that
was
extremely
thorough
and
thoughtful
as
well,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
amount
of
time
that's
gone
into
this.
There
are
things
in
it
that
just
amaze
me
actually
that
we've
caught
like
what
would
it
be
like
to
have
two
regional
trails
within
1.5
miles
of
each
other,
but
in
minneapolis
you
have
two
sides
of
a
river
and
the
council's
saying.
D
Well,
we
don't
really
want
to
have
them
so
close
to
each
other
and
we're
saying
well
in
an
urban
area,
you
might
want
to
have
a
trail
on
either
side
of
the
river
little
things
like
that.
That
really,
I
think
our
staff
has
done
a
great
job
of
kind
of
focusing
on
the
urban
environment
within
a
regional
plan
park
and
ride.
Should
we
locate
park
and
rides
next
to
a
regional
park,
making
it
very
auto-centric
I
mean
I
can
see
where
they
would
say,
locate
bike
facilities
near
a
regional
park.
D
When
I
go
to
regional
parks
and
the
regional
park
system,
three
rivers
in
particular
has
an
amazing
off-leash
dog
system.
You
can
see
where
cars
might
be
needed.
You
can't
bike
your
dog
to
a
regional
park
but
to
have
a
park
and
ride.
So
I
I
really
think
you've
done
a
great
job
and
I
I
think
this
is
extremely
thorough
and
I
I
don't
know
that
I
could
think
of
another
thing
to
put
in
it.
D
E
C
E
The
other
thing
I
think
it's
important-
and
you
mentioned
this-
to
think
about
how
the
regional
system
interacts
with
our
neighborhood
parks,
because
there
are
lots
of
places
where
the
regional
system
is.
You
know
either
right
next
to
or
could
easily
be
connected
to
one
of
our
neighborhood
parks,
in
a
way
that
you
know,
through
a
bike
trail
or
a
pedestrian
walkways
identified
as
a
link
to
the
regional
system.
That
kind
of
thing-
and
those
are
places
that
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
user
numbers
of
parks.
E
You
know
we
would
rival.
You
know
if
we
connected
a
neighborhood
park,
say
through
a
through
a
bike
trail
to
a
regional
park,
we
would
rival
the
numbers
that
you
would
find
in
some
existing
freestanding
parks
out
in
the
far
metro.
So
I
think
that's
really
a
key
point.
Trails
are
the.
What
would
you
call
it?
The
the
cheapest
park,
investment
that
you
get
the
biggest
bang
for
your
buck,
connecting
existing
facilities?
E
You
know
what
everybody
wants
to
do,
but
our
parks
in
minneapolis
in
saint
paul
get
the
bulk
in
actually
hennepin
parks
as
well,
three
rivers.
Now
they
get
the
bulk
of
the
users
in
the
system
and
it's
important
that
we
make
the
case
that
you
know
the
facilities
that
are
developed
in
a
in
a
place
where
you
get
very,
very
heavy
use,
cost
more
than
when
you
build
a
park
or
build
a
park.
E
Building
that's
going
to
serve
25
000
people
a
year
versus
250
000,
so
our
projects
are
more
expensive,
but
in
the
end
we
serve
way
more
people,
the
the
user
percentage
from
the
from
st
paul
minneapolis
and
three
rivers
is
extremely.
You
know
in
the
sixty
percent
of
the
whole
regional
system.
So
we
need
to
tell
our
story
so
I'll
be
getting
back
to
you
and
I
appreciate
the
good
work.
Thank
you.
C
A
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
additional
comments
from
committee
members
I'll
just
echo
all
the
great
work
that
went
into
this
is
evident
in
the
in
the
thoroughness
of
the
comments.
These
are
very
long
documents
and
they
it
can
be
hard
to
think
through
all
of
the
potential
ramifications
of
what
are
often
pretty
vague,
general
policy
statements.
A
C
A
Great,
thank
you
so
with
that
I'll
move
to
approve
the
comments
submitted
by
staff,
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
posney,
and
that
carries
so
now
we
have
the
last
item
number
10,
which
is
the
conservation
district
amendment.
After
a
couple
of
years
of
work,
we
will
start
with
mr
smoly.
F
Good
morning,
madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
my
name
is
john
smoly,
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
before
you
today
to
brief
you
on
the
conservation
district
ordinance
text,
amendment
an
amendment
to
our
city's
heritage
preservation
regulations
and
a
framework
to
enable
the
creation
of
conservation
districts.
The
ordinance
or
text
amendment
before
you
today
wouldn't
actually
create
any
conservation
districts.
F
Today,
we're
pleased
to
please
to
bring
you
favorable
comments
from
the
neighborhood
community
engagement,
commission,
the
city
planning
commission's
committee
of
the
whole,
the
state,
historic
preservation
office,
the
heritage
preservation,
commission,
the
whittier
alliance
and
the
minneapolis
area
association
of
realtors.
Though
you
will
note
in
your
packets,
there
are
two
members
of
the
public
who've
expressed
their
lingering
concerns
in
comment.
Letters
that
you
have
the
focus
of
this
text
amendment
is
on
conserving
visual
character
in
a
particular
area,
rather
than
preserving
building
materials
or
features
that
are
imbued
with
history.
F
The
majority
of
properties
in
conservation
districts
must
embody
notable
attributes
common
to
the
district,
including
scale
architecture,
landscape
design,
development
patterns
and
engineering,
and
if
this
sounds
familiar,
it's
because
it
is
these
are
his
heritage,
preservation,
commission,
historical
significance,
criterion,
four
and
five.
They
are
tried
and
true.
F
Additionally,
a
strong
system
of
checks
and
balances
will
ensure
a
conservation,
district's
establishment
is
the
appropriate
way
to
treat
a
given
area
rather
than
a
zoning
amendment
or
the
designation
of
a
historic
district
to
begin
with
conservation
districts
may
only
be
initiated
by
property
owners,
one
third
of
whom
would
have
to
provide
evidence
of
their
consent
to
start
this
process,
design
guidelines
and
conservation
district
plans
cannot
even
be
started
until
the
heritage.
Preservation
commission
verifies
that
the
proposed
conservation
district
establishment
would
address
owners
concerns
better
than
a
zoning
amendment
or
historic
district
designation.
F
Would
two-thirds
of
property
owners
in
a
given
district
must
agree
to
propose
design
guidelines
limited
to
protecting
notable
visual
character
before
the
heritage
preservation
commission
will
even
consider
recommending
to
the
city
council
that
you
all
formally
establish
the
district
and
proposed
development
will
not
incur
additional
regulations
until
council
formally
establishes
the
district.
By
that
I
mean
there
is
no
interim
protection
like
what
you
would
see
with
historic
districts
currently
where
once
a
nomination
comes
forward
and
is
acted
upon
by
the
commission.
F
Development
has
to
abide
by
historic
district
regulations
as
if
it
was
already
part
of
an
established
district
or
a
designated
district
with
the
conservation.
District's
focus
on
visual
character.
Demolitions
are
not
prohibited
and
we
hope
this
will
allay
fears
of
people
who
might
feel
that
this
would
de-incentivize
historic
district
designation
by
not
prohibiting
demolitions
in
a
conservation
district,
provided
the
new
construction
meets
the
design
guidelines
established
by
property
owners
with
staff
and
adopted
by
the
heritage
preservation
commission
by
not
prohibiting
those
demolitions.
F
We
feel
that
we
can
ensure
that
property
owners
stay
focused
on
visual
character,
rather
than
the
loss
of
a
particular
building
at
a
point
in
time
with
property
owners
in
a
given
district
become
more
concerned
with
the
loss
of
a
building,
they
feel
is
really
crucial
to
their
neighborhood,
rather
than
the
design
of
new
construction.
At
that
point
in
time,
they're
always
free
to
nominate
themselves
as
a
historic
district,
as
is
any
member
of
the
city
council.
F
To
those
who
might
be
concerned
that
this
would
be
used
in
a
manner
that
would
get
a
work
around
zoning
regulations
currently
in
place.
I
would
note
that
design
guidelines
the
ordinance
specifically
states
that
design
guidelines
may
not
be
written
in
a
manner
to
prohibit
uses
permitted
by
the
zoning
code,
but
they
may
regulate
building
bulk
in
a
more
restrictive
way
for
the
express
purpose
of
conserving
the
district's
notable
attributes
that
have
to
be
evident
in
a
majority
of
properties.
In
a
given
conservation
district,
I'm
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have
at
this
time.
A
G
I
will
move
my
substrate
motion
just
to
get
the
conversation
going
it's
before
you
and
I
do
note
that
your
office
has
provided
some
clarifying
language
and
I
would
move
that
or
accept
that
as
a
friendly
technical
addition
to
to
my
substitute
motion,
that's
before
you
I
will
and
if
I
can
speak
to
the
motion.
Thank
you.
G
Certainly,
this
is
a
product
of
a
very
fulsome
process.
I
certainly
would
not
be
involved
in
this.
If
I
thought
this
was
going
to
be
a
tool
for
nimbyism
gone
wild,
I
mean
I'm
a
pro
development
council
member,
and
this
is
a
pro
development
council,
and
certainly
there
are
people
who
are
interested
in
development
at
this
committee.
G
Where
here
we
have
some
flexibility.
I
the
fact
that
there's
no
interim
protections
was
a
big
deal
for
me.
I
don't
think
I
would
have
supported
this
if
that
were
part
of
the
deal
and
the
fact
that
it's
not
part
of
the
deal,
there
are
no
inner
protections
when
this
process
gets
started.
I
think
is
important
to
note.
I'll
also
know
that
some
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
that
are
reflected
in
this
substitute
motion
were
additional
adjustments
that
specifically
addressed
the
development
community.
G
None
of
those
adjustments
that
I've
made
in
the
last
couple
weeks
really
were
for
some
of
the
concerns
for
the
historical
community,
because
I
think
that
protection
that
stop
cap
is
put
in
place
by
the
fact
that
hpc
is
involved
from
the
get-go
and
if
they
determine
this,
is
more
appropriate
for
historical
designation.
They
get
the
first
call
and
of
course
I'll
know,
council
gets
the
final
call
on
all
these
applications.
A
A
What
I
think
is
a
compromise
from
where
it
began
some
of
the
things
that
were
really
important
to
me
to
be
able
to
support
this
was
that
this
revised
ordinance
tightens
the
definitions
that
I
thought
provided
a
lot
of
ambiguity
and
I
think,
since
we're
relying
so
heavily
on
residents
and
property
owners
to
participate
in
this
process,
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
everything
is
very
clear.
I
don't
want
to
waste
people's
time
or
cause
conflicts
because
of
ambiguity,
and
I
think
that
we
have.
The
amendments
have
been
brought
forward.
A
And
then
you
know
this.
This
also
is
really
rolling
out
as
kind
of
a
pilot
program,
I'm
actually
very
supportive
of
moving
toward
using
design
guidelines
in
all
kinds.
All
parts
of
our
city,
which
this
really
is
it's
a
design
guideline
tool,
but
I
would
prioritize
some
of
the
higher
growth
commercial
corridors
in
our
city
with
our
limited
staff
time
over.
A
You
know
some
of
the
lower
density,
lower
pressure
areas
of
the
city.
If
we
had
to
choose-
and
we
do-
we
don't
have
unlimited
staff
time
and
then
one
final
concern
I
had
was
that
we
actually
have
50
potential
historic
districts
in
the
city
that
also
haven't
been
studied
for
designation
and
those
are
really
important
resources
and
assets,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
this
didn't
take
away
from
that
important
work,
as
well
as
be
very
clear
that
this
is
a
design
guideline
tool
and
really
not
a
tool
that
preserves
buildings,
people.
D
If
a
three-star,
you
know
a
three-story
building
a
two-story
building
30
feet
high,
actually
fits
in
with
the
ramblers
or
not,
I'm
not
sure
we're
trying
to
preserve
the
character
of
a
block
of
a
bunch
of
ramblers.
But
I
guess
there
are
neighbors
who
want
to
do
that.
I
don't
want
this
to
become
a
tool
for
neighbors
to
be
fighting
with
each
other.
This
is
my
greatest
concern
that
we
are
putting
out
there
a
level
of
protection.
That's
just
simply
not
there.
D
There
was
no
process
for
them
to
go
through,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
approved
by
anyone
and
we
gave
it
to
the
planning
department
and
when
someone
pulled
a
building
permit
or
a
demo
permit
in
that
area,
they
were
handed
the
guidelines
and
said:
please
abide
by
these
guidelines
and
many
of
them
did
and
they
ended
up
doing
the
right
thing
just
because
they
knew
there
was
a
set
of
guidelines
there.
So
we've
been
doing
things
like
this
in
the
past.
D
D
One
person's
visual
character
is
different
to
it
than
another
person's
visual
character,
and
so
I
worry
that
this
not
becomes
something
where
neighbors
can
say.
We
don't
like
what
you're
building
next
door
to
us.
We
like
red
brick,
not
brown,
brick
or
we
don't
like
stucco.
We
want
brick
and
I
don't
want
to
have
the
city
be
facilitating
a
process
that
allows
neighbors
to
fight
with
to
fight
with
each
other.
D
In
this
particular
situation,
I
think
if
we
have
two
districts
in
one
year,
we
can
see
how
it
goes,
what
the
pitfalls
are,
where
it
might
have
to
be
tweaked
and
then
go
broader
to
one
per
sector.
So
I
think
doing
something
is
fine.
This
is
a
very
tentative
first
step
and
I'll
be
very
interested
to
see.
If,
in
fact,
we
have
a
productive
process
that
people
can
really
come
to
consensus
on
or
if
it
just
makes
a
bunch
of
neighborhoods
gang
up
on
another
when
they
want
to
build
a
new
house
in
a
neighborhood.
H
H
This
was
actually
quite
a
long
process
that
we
went
through
and
I
think
the
fact
that
we
took
our
time
and
tried
to
include
so
many
people
and
also
we're
willing
to
modify
and
and
compromise
is,
is
kind
of
reaffirms.
What
council
member
goodman
was
saying
is
that
we
don't
really
know
if
we
have
consensus
over
this.
This
is
something
new.
This
is
something
that
could
be
challenging.
There
might
be
some
risks
involved.
So
let's
move
carefully,
let's
be
thoughtful
about
it.
H
I
want
to
especially
thank
mr
smalley
nielsen
wittenberg
grass,
who
were
very
involved
in
this.
Through
the
process.
We
also
had
a
technical
advisory
team.
We
we
actually
had
the
help
of
the
university
who
the
graduate
student
there
worked
with
the
professor
leno
friel,
who
did
a
study
early
on
who
helped
feed
it
with
research.
We
were
doing.
We
had
neighborhoods
very
involved
in
this
as
well
a
couple
community
meetings.
We
actually
had
a
forum
at
cura
over
at
the
university
focused
in
on
this
people
are
interested
in
it.
H
You
know
so
this
year,
we'll
do
zero.
That's
the
plan
zero
in
2014
two
in
2015
at
the
most
and
then
we'll
review
that
and
see
how
it
goes
and
potentially
we're
set
up
with
the
maximum
we'd
ever
do
is
five,
but
that
would
also
give
us
the
chance
next
year
to
say
there's
a
lot
of
interest
in
this.
Maybe
we
have
to
look
at
our
budget
and
see
how
we
can
work
on
conservation
and
historic
preservation,
because
I
realize
there
is
a
resource
issue
here
too.