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From YouTube: July 13, 2017 Zoning & Planning Committee
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Minneapolis Zoning & Planning Committee Meeting
A
Good
morning,
I'll
call
to
order
our
regular
meeting
of
the
zoning
and
planning
committee
today
is
July
13th
2017
I'm
Lisa
bender
I
chair
the
committee.
We
have
a
quorum
today
with
councilmembers
Reich,
Goodman,
Andrew,
Johnson
and
Council
President
Johnson.
We
have
12
items
on
our
agenda
today.
As
usual,
we
will
start
with
the
consent
items.
Item
number
seven
is
a
right-of-way
vacation
on
the
corner
of
11th,
Avenue,
South
and
south
fifth
Street.
A
Subject:
the
retention
of
easements
by
the
utility
providers
item
number
eight
is
a
drainage
and
utility
easement
vacation
at
a
Franklin,
Portland
gateway
on
Portland
Avenue.
South
item
number:
nine
is
a
Street
vacation
for
the
park
and
recreation
board
at
4:44,
Main
Street
northeast
an
item.
Number
10
is
passage
of
an
ordinance
amending
our
zoning
code
related
to
live
theater
and
industrial
district.
This
is
expanding
where
the
districts
in
which
live
theater
are
allowed.
A
Would
anyone
like
to
pull
any
of
those
items
or
comment
on
any
okay?
Seeing
none
I'll
move
the
consent
agenda
item
7
through
10,
all
those
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
those
items
carried.
That
brings
us
back
to
our
public
hearing
items.
I
will
begin
with
item
number
1.
This
is
the
third
time
this
item
has
come
to
our
committee,
so
I
think.
Hopefully
today
we
will
resolve
this.
A
B
B
Highlight
the
applications
that
I
before
you
today,
the
applicant
is
seeking
a
rezoning
from
c1
neighborhood
commercial
district
to
the
c3,
a
community
activity
center
district.
This
project
falls
within
the
Grain
Belt
activity
center
and
adopted
activity
center
with
a
Minneapolis
comprehensive
plan
that
activity
center
is
also
adopted
through
the
shared
and
small
area
plan
which
was
approved
by
this
committee
and
the
City
Council
in
2014.
B
As
was
stated
by
the
chair,
this
project
has
been
to
two
or
three
actually
Z
and
key
meetings.
Prior
to
this.
Prior
to
the
first,
the
NT
meeting
on
May
18th,
there
were
alterations
made
to
the
project
that
increase
the
amount
of
parking
that
the
project
was
providing
and
allowed
the
applicant
to
request
the
withdrawal
of
the
parking
variance.
B
The
revised
proposal
then
now
includes
the
rezoning
conditional
use
permit
to
increase
the
maximum
building
height,
a
variance
of
the
minimum
requirement,
a
variance
of
the
rear
yard
and
the
preliminary
and
final
facts
I
believe
that
the
applicant
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
project.
I
can
also
answer
any
questions
if
there
are
any
community.
Thank.
A
A
Okay,
so
I'll
go
ahead
then,
and
just
for
discussion
purposes
move
the
item.
That's
item
number
one
which
is
related
to
the
conditional
use
permits
and
the
two
remaining
variances,
so
I'll
move
to
deny
the
appeal
and,
along
with
it,
I'll
move
to
approve
the
rezoning,
that's
related
to
this
project
with
which
is
item
11,
sometime
I,
provided
you
want
to
speak
I.
A
C
So
while
there
have
not
been
any
significant
changes
since
the
last
DMT
meeting,
there
have
been
a
few
additions
that
I
think
to
help
the
project.
The
first
is
the
addition
of
locations
for
public
use
of
a
Zipcar,
and
that
should
be
in
one
of
the
spaces
outside
the
structure.
The
second
is
is:
is
working
with
the
county
on
an
additional
project
for
affordable
and
I.
D
C
So
we
have
now
we
have
retail
on
both
13th
Avenue
project,
as
well
as
the
14th
Avenue
project
and
the
while
the
level
of
density
and
the
number
of
units
has
stayed
relatively
the
same.
The
truth
is
that
we
in
our
city
right
now
are
in
desperate
need
of
housing.
This
is
happening
on
a
surface
parking
lot.
C
A
surface
parking
lot
that
is
not
generating
any
tax
revenue
does
not
serve
as
a
home
to
anyone,
and
we
have
an
opportunity
right
now
to
to
both
increase
the
tax
base,
but,
more
importantly,
give
people
a
home,
and
while
demand
is
sky-high
right
now
is
something
that
we
need,
and
without
that
additional
supply
and
with
sky-high
demand,
prices
will
continue
to
rise
dramatically.
I'll
also
add
that
these
units
are
fairly
small.
A
lot
of
them
are
in
the
range
of
500
square
feet.
C
The
vast
majority
of
these
units
will
be
filled
by
a
single
occupant,
and
that
is
reflective
of
what's
happening
in
the
city
as
a
whole,
which
is
that
somewhere
in
the
range
of
43
of
our
city's
population
is
is
living
alone,
which
is
kind
of
a
staggering
figure,
but
it
is,
it
is
true
and
I
think
we'll
see
a
similar
result,
probably
at
these
at
these
Marshall
properties
as
well.
You
know
I
want
to
I
want
to
I.
C
Do
want
to
thank
the
Neighborhood
Association
they've
been
at
this
for
about
a
year
now,
perhaps
even
more,
and
you
know,
without
their
push,
there
undoubtedly
would
not
be
retail
at
the
base
without
their
approach.
There
would
not
be
the
Zipcar
without
their
push.
There
wouldn't
have
been
some
of
these
other
results
that
we
now
have,
and
but
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
do
think
we
need
this
housing
I
do
and
as
many
disagreements
as
I
have
with
CPM
in
general.
C
E
A
F
A
That
also
carries
okay,
so
that
completes
items
1
and
11,
and
then
our
second
project
also
has
the
two
items,
which
is
the
item
2
under
listed
under
public
hearing
and
then
item
12,
which
is
the
rezoning
that
goes
with
it,
and
we
are
now
joined
by
Miss
Smith.
Who
will
do
the
staff
presentation,
so
this
item
has
gone
through
Planning
Commission,
of
course,
but
hasn't
had
a
hearing
at
this
committee,
so
we'll
have
the
full
staff
presentation
and
the
full
public
hearing
with
the
applicants
and
the
appellant
speaking.
Thank
you.
Thank.
G
You
and
good
morning
to
your
vendor
committee
members,
my
name
clearly
Smith
and
I'm
here
representing
steep
ed
on
May
22nd
2017,
those
three
Planning
Commission
approved
the
applications
by
Scott
Nelson
of
gjr
architecture
for
the
properties
at
1301,
Marshall
and
107,
13th,
Avenue,
North,
East
and
since
then
the
joist
ball
field
of
the
shared
neighborhood
organization
and
others
have
appealed
the
Planning
Commission
decision.
This
project,
as
you
mentioned,
was
originally
scheduled
for
the
June
22nd
meeting
of
the
CNP,
but
was
continued
at
that
time.
G
So
here
is
an
aerial
showing
the
context
of
the
site.
The
Mississippi
River
is
a
thousand
feet
to
the
west.
It's
kitty
corner
from
the
Greenbelt
brewery
and
across
from
the
Greenbelt
apartment.
The
general
area
contains
a
mix
of
uses,
including
commercial
uses,
a
range
of
residential
densities
and
light
industrial
uses.
G
G
G
G
G
That
includes
a
density
bonus
to
three
point:
eight:
five:
the
variance
to
reduce
the
minimum
parking
requirement
for
the
residential
uses,
a
variance
to
increase
the
maximum
percentage
of
compact
parking
spaces
that
can
fulfil
the
parking
requirement
for
residential
uses,
a
variance
of
the
minimum
setbacks
and
site
plan
review
so
2
a
to
approve
a
rezoning.
The
City
Council
must
find
that
the
request
is
consistent
with
five
required
findings
and
I
will
focus
on
the
first
one.
Whether
the
zoning
change
is
consistent
with
the
ethical
applicable
policies
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
G
So
this
site
was
is
designated
mixed-use
in
the
future
land
use
map.
This
was
changed
as
part
of
the
shared
and
neighborhood
small
area
plan.
At
that
time,
the
parcels
were
low
density,
housing
and
commercial,
and
so
that
was
changed
as
part
of
that
process.
The
land
use
features
on
the
site
are
that
it's
within
the
grain
belt
activity
center
and
then
it
also
runs
along
Marshall
Street
northeast,
which
is
a
community
corridor.
G
In
the
in
the
Sheridan
neighborhood
small
area
plan
adopted
in
2014.
They
also
discuss
this
particular
site
as
needing
redevelopment
and
commercial
activity,
particularly
with
particularly
with
ground-floor
commercial
and
housing
above,
and
they
called
for
height
and
scale.
That
is
consistent
with
the
Greenbelt,
complex
and
and
also
emphasize
the
important
need
for
sidewalk
oriented
commercial
uses.
On
the
first
floor,.
G
This
parcel,
as
I
mentioned,
is
in
an
activity
center
and
activity.
Centers
are
generally
guided
for
a
mix
of
uses
with
a
citywide
and
regional
draw
high
intensity
of
uses,
including
employment,
commercial
office
and
residential
uses,
high
density
and
very
high
density
development
dependent
on
context.
G
So
the
height
and
bulk
request,
as
I
mentioned,
the
conditional
use
permit,
would
be
to
increase
the
the
project
from
four
storeys
to
six
storeys
and
then
to
increase
maximum
bolt
from
three
point.
Two,
four
to
three
point:
eight
five:
this
was
a
CPC
approved
project,
here's
a
section
drawing
showing
isn't
it.
We
have
a
question
sometimes
I.
J
I
G
You
councilmember
Goodman,
the
the
staff
report,
does
express
this
in
a
little
bit
more
depth,
but
in
general,
the
comp
plan
policies
and
including
the
future
land
use
map
calling
for
mixed-use
and
activity
center
type
of
development
staff
found
that
the
proposal
would
be
more
consistent
with
what
is
called
for
in
the
comp
plan.
Policies
adopted
policies
by
the
city,
and
so
there
is.
G
There
is
a
difficulty
in
complying
with
both
the
comp
plan
policies
and
also
allowing
for
redevelopment
of
the
site,
so
the
yeah,
so
that
they
are
in
order
to
accomplish
the
high-density
uses
and
our
fourth
floor.
Commercial,
allowing
the
FA
are
of
something
that's
greater
than
allowed
by
code
would
be
appropriate,
but.
I
I
thought
maybe
mr.
Nelson
can
clarify
I
thought
to
get
a
variance.
You
had
to
have
say
you
use
a
different
word
than
I
use
the
word
hardship,
but
they
have
to
say
that
they
can't
use
the
property
appropriately
as
it
is
designed,
and
they
can
I
mean
the
FA.
Our
here
is
pretty
high
and
they
have
good
and
I
understand
they
can
get
a
conditional
use
permit
to
go
higher
conditional
use.
It's
allowed
I
understand
that.
I
But
what
I
don't
understand
is
they
fi
are
variance
because
of
variance
is
a
much
higher
standard
than
the
CEP,
and
so
it
seems
to
me
as
though
we're
saying
well.
They
don't
want
to,
and
since
our
because
our
plan
says
that
we
want
high-density,
although
I
think
the
shared
and
folks
would
probably
say
otherwise.
I
The
variance
is
a
sticking
point
for
me.
I
have
variances
like
this
and
I've
seen
them
all
over
the
city
where
they
just
want
to
build
more
because
they
want
to
make
more
money
that
doesn't
rise
to
the
level
of
a
hardship
that
they
can't
build.
Something
that
meets
the
criteria
of
the
comp
plan
on
this
property
share.
K
K
The
second
is
a
look
at
what
they
are
proposing,
whether
it's
reasonable,
so
it's
not
necessarily
whether
they
can
do
something.
That's
reasonably
the
existing
regs
it's
it
is
what
they
are
proposing
reasonable
and
that
that
does
imbue
you
with
a
good
degree
of
subjectivity
there
and
then
the
third
is
whether
is
in
compliance
with
the
essential
character
of
the
locality
kind
of
the
compatibility
analysis.
K
The
first
part
of
that,
though,
the
unique
the
demonstration
of
unique
circumstances,
you're
correct,
it's
typically
in
most
cases,
is
going
to
be
something
related
to
the
parcel,
the
topography
of
the
parcel,
the
slope,
the
shape
the
size.
However,
with
that
said,
this
council
has
in
at
least
one
other
project,
approved
a
FA,
our
variance
based
on
a
similar
demonstration
of
a
discs,
or
they
disconnect
between
currently
adopted
policy
and
our
current
regulations,
so
that
there
is
some
precedent
for
making
a
decision
on
that
basis.
K
G
L
G
G
So
these
numbers
are
actually
slightly
off.
So
the
changes
since
the
Planning
Commission
approval
are
that
actually
the
applicant
has
reduced
the
unit
count
from
95
to
93,
not
94,
and
as
a
result,
the
parking
requirement
has
been
reduced
and
the
parking
request
apartment
varies
is
no
longer
needed
as
a
result,
so
you
can
disregard
to
the
parking
variance.
G
The
height
is
accurate
in
this
slide
five
60
feet,
so
they've
cut
off
the
whole
story.
The
bulk
has
also
been
reduced
because
of
the
loss
of
that
story,
but
the
bulk
has
been
redistributed,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
minute
and
then
because
of
the
loss
of
the
extra
story,
the
5
+
2
X.
The
residential
window
requirement
has
been
reduced
from
15
to
13
feet.
G
G
Section
so,
as
I
mentioned,
the
parking
variance
has
been
eliminated.
The
step-back
calculations
are
slightly
different.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
setback,
variance
from
13
feet
to
6.5
feet
along
the
north
and
13
feet
to
two
feet
along
the
east,
and
that's
the
pellets
I
should
say
has
stated
that
there
is
conflict
with
a
small
area
plan
and
that
they
would
perform
prefer
four
stories
and
and
retain
concerns
about
having
setbacks
so
close
to
adjacent
residential
properties
and
with
that
I
have
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
A
You
are
there
any
questions
for
staff
before
we
open
the
public
hearing,
I,
don't
see
any
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
the
public
hearing.
Why
don't
we
start
with
in
this?
If
the
applicant,
perhaps
just
highlighting
the
changes
that
were
made
in
particular
and
then
we'll
go
ahead
and
have
the
appellant
speak?
We'll
ask
most
folks
to
stick
to
three
minutes,
because
I
think
it
will
give
a
little
extra
time
to
features
of
you
know
the
two
parties.
L
C
L
Of
which
allow
for
stories
56
feet,
as
is
right,
so
the
proposed
rezoning
to
a
similar
four-story
district
is
not
inconsistent
with
the
surroundings,
and
the
height
is
also
consistent
with
those
surroundings
and
in
terms
of
the
project
site.
Just
want
to
show
you
how
important
it
will
be
to
have
this
their
car
oriented
area
redeveloped
with
housing
and
mixed
use,
and
what
an
enhancement
that
will
be
in
this
neighborhood.
L
L
L
Helpful
to
show
you
that
it's
lower
than
the
main
bulk
of
the
grainbelt,
it's
not
going
to
with
that
building
and
also
now,
essentially
the
same
height
as
this
is
the
Grain
Belt.
The
height
of
this
building
is
also
mitigated
because
it
is
offset
from
the
Grain
Belt.
It
is
Katy
corner
and
there's
this
great
open,
plaza
that
it
will
help
frame
and
surround
and
add
some
life
and
activity
to
the
SAR
variance.
That
is
something
different
on
this
project.
L
Then
then,
the
others,
it's
a
small,
the
amount
of
the
variance
has
been
reduced
and
it's
not
a
large
variance.
The
reason
it's
needed
on
this
side
and
not
on
the
other,
is
even
though
this
building's
a
bit
smaller,
and
there
are
some
fewer
units.
It
is
a
smaller
lot
area
and
the
development
is
essentially
aiming
for
the
same
same
size
in
terms
of
density.
L
So
it's
not
an
outlier
of
how
city
staff,
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
has
approached
for
area
ratio
variances
for
projects
in
locations
like
this
in
terms
of
the
greater
area.
I
think
there's
also
legitimate
to
look
at
the
fact
that
the
Greenbelt
apartment
complex
because
of
the
goal
of
preserving
that
open
space,
which
is
important.
That
project
is
only
about
50
dwelling
units
per
acre,
which
is
just
the
very
top
of
medium
density,
and
it
is
part
of
the
activity
center.
L
The
appeal
that
the
neighborhood
does
not
really
seem
to
express
any
concern
was
having
this
at
zero
I
think
they
recognize
that
you
know
is
having
the
street
wall
and
activity
up
to
the
street
and
I
don't
mean
to
speak
tour
them,
but
that's
our
view
is
for
them
is,
is
a
good
thing,
also
consistent
with
policies
and
design.
This
setback
there's
no
setback
apartment
on
the
ground
floor
because
it's
parking,
but
for
the
residential
units,
it's
13,
and
this
is
a
commercial
building
and
a
parking
lot
behind
it.
L
The
concerned
expressive
appeal
was
that
this
building
be
able
to
have
access
for
maintenance,
it's
on
its
property
line,
but
there
will
be
a
setback
that
there
allow
for
space
and
access
between
the
buildings.
It's
proposed
to
go
from
7
feet
to
about
9
points:5
here
and
then
along
the
alley.
It's
13
feet,
this
part
of
the
building
is
setback
and
our
units
above
this
12
feet,
so
only
a
small
variance
there.
This
is
about
to
but
wanted
to
point
out
that
it
is.
L
This
is
the
alley,
and
this
is
the
house
across
from
it
there's
about
40
feet
of
separation
there.
That
area
so
it'll
be
quite
separate.
These
are
garages
across
the
alley.
It
will
not
impinge
on
the
space
and
air
between
it
and
the
use
to
the
east
and
that
floor
area
having
the
sex
acts
is
important
to
achieve
floor
area
for
parking,
which
is,
as
we
know,
important
to
the
neighborhood
and
for
active
uses
to
still
have
area
for
active
uses
along
the
streets
on
the
zoning
issue
that
have
been
discussed
a
lot
here.
L
M
A
M
I'm
Jenny
Portman
I
live
at
1515,
Graham,
Street
and
Sheridan
neighborhood
and
I
am
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
Sheridan
neighborhood
organization,
any
changes.
Actually
we
had
heard
two
days
ago
that
there
were
changes
to
some
of
the
plans,
but
we
hadn't
seen
any
of
them.
In
fact,
the
neighborhood
hasn't
had
any
contact
with
the
developer
since,
before
the
last
public
hearing
and
in
spite
of
having
tried
to
reach
out
a
little
bit,
but
it's
just
as
well.
We
can
recap
where
we
are
coming
from
and
what
we've
been
saying
essentially
all
along.
M
We
are
here
to
ask
you
to
not
rezone
the
site,
to
c3a
the
preferences
c1
and
to
support
our
appeal.
I
think
is
important.
I
get
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
small
area
plan
and
what
was
discussed
at
that
time
and
how
it
relates
to
this.
The
neighborhood
is
actually
asking
for
high
density
development.
M
Under
the
previous
context
of
how
these
kinds
of
things
were
discussed.
We
were
talking
about
c1,
because
that's
what
13th
Avenue
is
that's
what
the
food
building
is.
That's
what
dusties
is
the
we
are
not
allowed
to
specifically
state
that
in
a
small
area
plan,
but
that
that
was
the
context
of
the
conversation.
M
So
adding
density
is
the
goal
we
are
agreed
that
there
are
higher
and
better
uses
than
a
car
lot
and
a
parking
lot
for
these
sites.
It's
just
that
the
level
of
density
we
were
looking
for
was
high.
What
the
developer
is
proposing
is
actually
to
the
maximum
of
very
high,
so
it
under
the
previous
rules,
that
is
the
maximum
allowable.
M
The
city
has
changed
the
way
they
look
at
density.
Since
we
did
our
small
area
plan,
they
now
use
the
floor
area
ratio
over
the
dwelling
units
per
acre.
There's
also
been
a
change
to
the
policy
with
regard
to
parking
which
actually
highly
impacts.
How
of
development
and
density
affect
the
community
and.
M
M
M
So,
in
our
mind,
an
appropriate
level
of
density
is
high
density
for
this
activity.
Center
I
mean
in
the
context
of
the
conversations
we
were
talking
about,
a
four-story
building,
which
is
what
p38,
so
you
know
purports
to
be.
You
know
that
we
may
not
have
even
known
that
a
conditional
use
was
such
a
rubber-stamp.
I
mean
I.
Don't
even
remember
talking
about
the
possibility
of
anything
so
large,
so
anyway,
there
have
been
a
lot
of
changes
and
perhaps
some
lack
of
understanding
at
the
time
of
the
small
area
plans.
M
But
we
are
in
fact
asking
for
mixed-use
development
we're
asking
for
high
density
development.
It's
just
that
what's
being
proposed
is
about
double
that
so
and
the
neighborhood
really
does
understand
the
benefits
of
density.
We
understand
that
it
adds
amenities
to
the
community
and
that
it
support
helps
support
the
local
business.
It's
going
to
you
know,
reduce
sprawl
in
the
area
and
be
a
better
use
of
space,
and
that
is
all
we.
M
That
is
a
shared
goal
of
all
of
us,
and
we've
we've
been
trying
to
communicate
that
all
along,
but
we
also
want
to
recognize
that
they're
all
negative
impacts
of
excessive
density.
It.
You
know
congestion
and
overcrowding
and
excessive
demand
on
the
systems,
and
essentially
it
changed
the
character
of
an
area,
and
those
are
the
issues
that
we're
trying
to
balance.
M
So
it's
important
to
understand
how
you
know
how
Sheridan
exists
and
the
fact
that
it
is
90
percent
of
urban
neighborhood,
and
that
is
the
field
we're
trying
to
maintain
with
their
small
downtown
and
our
you
know.
It's
got
a
very
small-town
feel
so
adding
density
when
this
building
is
right
up
against
the
neighborhood
along
the
urban
corridor.
That
should
be
at
50
units
per
acre.
I
mean
we
feel
like
85.
Units
per
acre
would
be
a
really
reasonable
scale
of
density,
and
that
is
you
know
what
we
have
put
forward.
M
The
and
those
are
all
criteria
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
that's
what
we
were
using
now
I
understand
you
guys
are
making
changes
of
comprehensive
plans
at
the
current
comprehensive
plan.
Still
States
still
speaks
in
units
per
acre,
so
in
essence,
activity
centers
do
have
c1
zoning
and
they
do
have
high
density
development,
and
that
is
what
we're
asking
for,
and
that
is
what
we
think
is
appropriate
to
transition
into
the
community.
M
There
are
some
existing
conditions
and
upcoming
plans
that,
and
some
things
that
are
are
actually
specifically
addressed
in
the
Comprehensive
Plan
that
speak
to
activity.
Centers.
You
know,
including
traffic
parking
impact
on
utilities
and
and
just
and
like
water,
for
example,
we
have.
We
have
issues
in
the
community
of
storm
sewers
that
overflow
on
2nd
Street
and
13th.
There's
the
businesses
gets
flooded,
anytime,
there's
any
even
moderately
high
rain
and
joy'
small
fields
that
speak
to
this.
M
More
specifically,
if
you
have
questions,
but
there
have
been
conversations
over
the
time
and
I
believe
it's,
because
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
4-foot
pipe
and
we
have
a
two-foot
pipe
and
the
plans
to
fix
that
are
years
out,
but
anyways.
The
proposed
development
is
literally
down
the
hill
from
from
the
site
and
because
of
the
small
half
a
core
size
of
the
lot.
Our
understanding
is,
there
are
actually
no
requirements
for
how
they
manage
storm
sewers
or
at
storm
water
and
the
current
site.
M
Actually,
although
it's
not
a
sites
and
the
best
youth
does
have
areas
for
drainage,
there
are
grasses
in
some
spots.
Traffic
right
now
in
the
area
would
be
impacted.
I
mean,
as
we
know,
it's
the
oldest
part,
part
of
the
oldest
part
of
the
city.
The
streets
are
narrow.
There's
a
there
are
a
lot
of
curb
cuts
because
we
don't
have
alleys,
so
the
streets
are
congested
already.
Yesterday,
on
my
way
home,
it
was
congested
for
an
hour
from
Broadway
to
Lowry
on
Marshall
Street,
and
it's
like
that
in
the
morning
as
well.
M
We
know
from
CPMs
parking
study
associated
with
the
13th
Avenue
development,
that,
on
a
bluebird
day
in
April,
there
are
a
hundred
available
parking
spaces
on
the
street
and
it's
between
what
they
would
add
of
their
from
their
own
development.
That
would
be
at
least
100
cards,
potentially
it's
not
just
depending
how
many
so
up,
but
here's
the
two
sites.
M
You
know
they're
both
about
a
hundred
units
they're
both
about
fifty
parking
spaces.
This
is
currently
a
parking
lot.
This
in
this
area
are
all
up
for
redevelopment.
These
are
all
city
owned
parcels
this,
and
this
are
currently
surface
parking
lot.
The
neighborhood
is
all
for
developing
them.
Of
course,
we
don't
think
surface
parking
lot
should
be
the
gateway
to
our
community.
In
the
you
know,
that's
a
beautiful
green
belt
right
here,
etc.
But
where
are
all
these
cars
going
to
go?
M
M
M
M
Okay,
can
you
see
it
now,
it's
hard
to
see
the
color,
so
here
are
the
two
sites
this
way
down?
Okay,
so
these
are
the
two
sites.
This
is
thirteenth.
This
is
14th
between
the
two.
They
want
to
add
10%,
more
doors
to
the
neighborhood
that
is
the
equivalent
of
basically
any
one
of
these
streets.
Both
sides
of
the
street
from
Broadway
to
17,
so.
M
M
Communication
has
really
kind
of
fallen
apart,
I,
don't
know,
we
don't
really
know
where
things
are
currently
standing,
but
we
do
feel
like
this
is
exactly
what
what
I'm
saying
now
is
exactly
what
we
talked
about
during
our
small
area
planning
process
and
it's
some
of
the
changing
and
some
of
the
interpretation
being
done
at
the
city.
That's
different,
not
what
we
were
saving
so
our
last,
oh
and
I
want
to
show
you
this.
M
A
Thank
you,
yeah
thanks,
so
much
all
right.
Okay,
so
now
we'll
continue
along
we've,
given
each
person
three
minutes.
Sometimes
we
do
two,
but
that
will
give
everyone
a
chance
to
speak
to
this
item.
We've
had
a
about
a
15
minute
presentation,
so
we
will
try
to
hold
each
person
to
three
minutes,
and
so
each
person
is
so
good
each
person
please
come
up
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Please
also
sign
in
with
the
clerk
when
you're
done.
If
you
haven't
yet.
N
So
I'm
Karen,
Bernthal
and
I
want
to
talk
about
the
floor
area
ratio
in
how
it
relates
to
my
understanding
of
dwelling
units
per
acre.
I
just
want
to
say
that
these
kinds
of
things
that
the
city
planners
do
are
all
very
complicated
and
for
neighborhoods
neighborhood
people
to
understand
them
really
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
I
have
come
before
you
several
times
now
on
this,
and
it's
really
frustrating
to
have
to
keep
coming
back.
N
I
have
also
come
before
you
on
other
projects,
but
this
one
has
taken
a
lot
more
time
to
understand
and
so
I
think
that
the
neighborhood
talks
about
parking
and
then
dwelling
units
per
acre.
But
that
is
it's
just
how
the
neighborhood
understands
things
they
understand.
This
is
too
many
dwelling
units
per
acre,
although
they
would
never
say
that
they
would
say,
there's
going
to
be
too
many
cars
in
the
street,
because
there's
so
many
people
here.
N
N
A
way
to
understand
it,
I
get
that
the
planning
office
no
talks
about
far,
and
there
is
a
variance
for
the
far
and
one
of
the
arguments
that
they
give
for
expanding
the
far
or
increasing
the
density
for
father
is
that
it's
in
an
activity
center.
However,
an
activity
center
is
something
that
is
supposedly
drawing
people
to
the
area
and
is
supposed
to
have
an
active
streetscape
and
on
this
particular
plan
and
I
want
to
try
to
find
it.
In
my.
N
Street
facade
is
an
overhead
garage
door
and
dead
windows,
because
you
won't
want
to
look
in
to
see
the
parking
garage
and
they're
saying
they
should
get
an
increase
in
fire
because
they
meet
the
spirit
of
the
activity
center,
which
is
her
mixed,
active
youth
on
the
street.
Now,
in
their
paper,
it's
very
difficult
to
see
that
this
is
a
parking
garage
entrance
because
they've
made
it
look
like
Windows.
That
could
be
a
retail
store
and
so
in
fact,
the
at
first
glance
the
facade
looks
reasonable.
L
N
It's
a
parking
garage
entrance
and
they're
saying
they
should
get
extra
far
because
they
are
needing
the
intent
of
the
activity
center,
which
is
mixed-use
in
retail
and
active
uses
and
I
would
say.
If
you're
asking
people
to
walk
into
a
restaurant
and
walk
into
a
building
and
walk
down
the
street
to
get
to
the
river,
you
don't
want
a
parking
garage
entrance
on
Marshall
Street.
Thank
you.
P
P
A
prepared
or
a
statement
that
I
have
a
couple
whole
points,
I
own
property
in
the
adjacent
neighborhood
of
Logan
Park,
and
have
worked
on
small
area
plans
that
are
similar.
My
concern
is
that
Minneapolis
has
long
prided
itself
on
being
a
city
of
neighborhoods,
but
I
see
what
is
happening
here.
I've
lived
in
Uptown,
that's
no
longer
really
a
neighborhood.
It's
a
business
opportunity
and
most
neighborhoods
work
as
a
closed
system.
We
don't
have
it
anymore
and
I
have
bought
this
copy
to
give
to
the
City
Council.
P
It
was
too
expensive
for
me
to
buy
enough
copies
for
all
of
these
at
a
tequila
City
and
it's
already
a
flag
at
the
city
of
San
Francisco,
and
if
any
of
yous
have
been
to
Washington,
DC
or
New,
York,
City
or
Philadelphia,
all
cities
I
have
lived
in.
We
are
seeing
the
decline
of
cities
as
a
place
for
people
to
live
in.
P
Our
political
system
seems
to
focus
more
in
creation
and
supervision
of
business
opportunities,
then,
as
places
for
people
to
live
and
I,
don't
even
need
to
bring
up
the
question
of
equity
because
this
creates
there
is
no
equity.
Here
it
just
was
for
people
who
have
money.
Who
can
you
to
buy
the
property,
develop
it
make
money
from
it
or
people
who
can
afford
to
live
in
these
units?
I,
don't
think
the
Met
Council
has
kept
up
with
the
needs
of
the
city
and
I.
Think
that
has
been
addressed,
I've
even
contacted.
P
What's
the
bus,
the
MTA
I,
don't
even
know
what
it
is
called
hear
about
possible
routes
on
Marshall,
because
I
really
do
believe.
We
need
to
increase
our
transit
here
when
I
moved
here.
I
was
very
disappointed
in
the
lack
of
services
or
how
would
you
say,
accessibility
of
public
transit
I
just
feel
that
we
need
to
what
is
this
here
on
page
68.
It
says
private
investments
shaped
cities,
but
social
ideas
and
laws
which
are
talking
about
updating
your
City
Council
ordinances,
shape
private
investment.
P
First,
you
come
the
image
of
what
you
want
other
than
just
hodgepodge,
allowing
development
to
come
in.
Also,
when
you
have,
when
you
talk
about
wanting
commercial
things,
I've
only
gone
to
I'd
only
once
I
can't
really
afford
to
eat
there
on
a
regular
basis
to
sustain
it,
where
I
live
now
over
on
Monroe
Street,
it's
already
hard
to
park
on
the
street
and
I
have
off
street
parking
and
garage.
E
A
A
R
C
E
My
name
is
heidi
seagrass.
Well,
I.
Do
appreciate
the
fact
that
they
are
trying
to
and
I
didn't
quite
understand
what
Daniel
was
saying
about
the
mixed
income
or
whatever
from
the
county.
I.
Don't
entirely
understand
that,
but
I
think
with
allowing
projects
like
this.
We
are
making
this
city
even
worse.
With
its
equity
issues,
we
are
dividing
the
city
even
more,
between
people
of
color
and
I.
Just
think
that
the
City
Council
needs
to
look
more
into
that
into
providing
low
income
housing
for
people
just
in
general.
E
O
Ellen
too
late
and
I'm
here
to
in
favor
of
the
development
and
I,
can't
really
speak
to
all
of
the
details
of
zoning
issues.
It's
quite
complicated,
but
what
I
can
tell
you
is
I've
lived,
I
came
from
the
East
Coast
and
lived
in
st.
Paul
next
to
an
apartment.
Building
for
the
last
30
years
and
I
grew
up
in
Providence
in
an
apartment.
O
We
need
density
because
we
need
housing
and
we
need
diversity
and
it
isn't
a
bad
thing,
and
so
I
think
that
this
particular
dense
project
is
really
well
positioned
because
it
actually
has
space
on
one
side
of
it
and
space
in
front
of
it,
and
so
it
kind
of
complements
the
area
you're
not
really
taking
away
any
affordable
housing
I
mean
they're,
not
displacing
people
like
other
developments,
have
done,
and
so
I
guess.
That's
all
I
want
to
say
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
Thank
you.
What.
S
Want
to
speak
to
a
couple
things
that
have
been
touched
on
here:
joy,
small
fields
from
Sheridan
neighborhood,
talking
about
the
activity
center,
that
people
keep
harping
back,
that
it
was
in
our
small
area
plan.
Well,
it
was
in
our
small
area
plan.
We
were
not
part
of
the
process
of
making
that
an
activity
center.
So
once
we
developed
our
small
area
plan,
it
was
already
activity
center
and
the
neighborhood
was
not
consulted
in
that
process.
Another
thing
is:
this:
development
gets
the
variance
on
the
parking
because
of
its
proximity
to
mass
transit.
S
S
That's
actually
does
that
sound
like
it's
preserving
the
housing
that
is
existing
around
a
new
development
to
me,
you
know
that
isn't
that
goes
against
the
theory
that
if
you
have
identity
you're
going
to
preserve
the
housing
that
exists,
because
in
this
case
it
doesn't
fit
developers
buying
also
buying
those
houses
around
the
development.
Yes,
that's
it!
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
what
anyone
else
like
to
speak,
anyone
else
seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
as
I
did
just
because
we
have
two
more
items
just
to
keep
us
moving
along
for
discussion
purposes,
I'll
move
item,
two
I
will
move
so
I
will
move
the
motions
that
will
support
the
project,
which
is
denying
the
appeal
for
item
two
and
approving
the
rezoning
of
item
twelve
Council
number
five.
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
this
project
before
the
committee.
R
H
Thank
mentor
I'm
not
going
to
be
supporting
this
today
and
I
am
well
I
appreciate
the
movement
on
the
developers
part
here,
I
am
listening
to
me,
neighbors
and
actually,
as
a
young
woman,
I
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
this
neighborhood
I
had
a
cousin
who
lived
in
that
neighborhood.
She
had
two
children
and
I
babysat
for
almost
probably
two
or
three
times
a
month
in
her
home
and
so
I
walked
these
streets.
Many
many
many
times
and
I
represent
part
of
North,
Minneapolis
and
I.
H
Think
what
we're
hearing
here
is
is
a
challenge
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
hear
it
across
the
city,
which
is
how
how
do
we
accommodate
the
changes
in
population
in
our
city
and
when
I
was
growing
up
in
the
1950s
I
lived
in
a
story
in
half
a
bungalow
post-world
War,
two
bungalow
in
North
Minneapolis
with
my
six
siblings
and
parents.
So
there
were
nine
people
living
in
that
story
and
a
half
bundle,
and
we
thought
it
was
great.
H
Now
there
are
two
people
living
in
that
story
and
a
half
bungalow
and
we're
trying
to
get
up
to
this
500,000
population
again
and
as
councilmember
Frey
pointed
out
were,
or
our
living
situations
are
very,
very
different.
Now
Pete,
there
are
more
people
living
by
themselves,
and
that
is
a
real
challenge,
but
I
think
it
presents
a
real
challenge
for
communities.
I
again
represent
part
of
North
Minneapolis.
The
tallest
buildings
in
North
Minneapolis
were
actually
the
public
housing
high-rises.
H
If
you
look
at
315,
Lowry
Avenue
North
I
forget
how
many
stories
that
is,
but
that
is
by
far
the
tallest
building
in
North
Minneapolis
on
our
arterial
streets,
which
which
we're
looking
for
increased
density.
Some
of
those
buildings
I
mean
to
two
stories.
Three
stories,
maybe
sometimes-
and
so
it's
going
to
be
a
challenge.
You
know
as
the
economy
picks
up
and
developers
come
to
North
Minneapolis,
looking
at
developing
along
those
arterial
corridors.
So
it's
just
a
real
fun
function
of
the
change
in
the
way
people
are
living.
H
It
is
a
change
in
you
know
what
is
what
we're
essentially
very
residential
neighborhoods,
as
as
people
described
but
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
this
lady
and
who
spoke
the
last
public
hearing
I
think
we
also
have
to
have
in
our
mind
that
we
respect
the
people
who
have
lived
in
these
communities
and
understand
their
concerns
and
address
them
in
the
best
way
possible,
as
we
move
forward
with
our
changing
City
and
so
I
just
really
have
a
challenge
about
the
amount
of
units
that
are
going
to
be
presented
by
this
development.
I
am
somewhat.
H
C
So
there
were
a
few
pieces
mentioned
by
the
neighborhood
that
did
resonate
with
me.
The
first
was
the
stormwater
plan
and
we
most
certainly
do
have
a
stormwater
and
drainage
issue,
especially
on
13th
Avenue
around
the
2nd
Street
location
and
what
we've
seen
over
the
last
several
years
is,
is
I,
think
promises
made
and
then
promises,
though
that
were
probably
broken
times
told.
C
Although
I
was
not
here
that
somewhere
in
the
range
of
2011
or
2012,
a
promise
was
made
to
the
neighborhood
that
that
the
drainage
system
would
be
improved
and
it
is
a
massive
overhaul.
It's
not
simply
digging
up
one
single
pipe
in
one
single
location.
It's
digging
up
pipe
all
the
way
from
13th
Avenue
down
about
1/2
to
3/4
of
a
mile
to
the
riverfront
at
the
minimum.
C
I
would
appreciate
one
of
my
colleagues
would
it
would
make
the
staff
direction
to
her
staff
and
specifically
Public
Works,
to
to
work
with
the
developer
to
incorporate
a
stormwater
plan
for
both
the
13th
and
14th
Avenue
projects.
I?
Think
it's
just
intelligent,
so
I'll
put
that
out
there.
Someone
could
just
make
a
note
on
that.
I
would
greatly
appreciate
it.
A
second
point
that
I
they
also
resonated
with
me
that
was
made
by
the
neighborhood
was
the
additional
Park,
the
additional
public
transit
and
bus
lines
on
Marshall.
C
I
do
think
the
the
rollout
of
additional
public
transit
along
that
corridor
is
essential
in
that
what
I
will
be
doing
is
working
with
our
intergovernmental
Relations
Committee,
which
I
do
sit
on
to
have
an
allowing
agenda
to
a
combination
of
the
state,
the
Met
Council,
to
try
and
get
some
additional
line
along
this
corridor
on
Marshall
next
is
the
goal
of
so
that
that
resonated
with
me.
The
third
thing
that
resonated
with
me
the
goals
getting
small
businesses
on
this
project,
as
opposed
to
just
another
subway
I
agree
with
that
entirely.
C
You
know,
I
have
made
requests
to
the
developer
to
narrow
the
square
footage
of
each
one
of
the
individual
units
to
prevent
you
know
the
corporate
franchise
conglomerate
from
setting
up
their
boilerplate
to
allowing
the
small
local
business
to
pay
rent
and
three
creating
a
dynamic
on
the
street
that
I
think
is
superior
to
just
having
one
vanilla,
corporation
or
franchise.
I
think
we
can
do
far
better
than
a
TGI,
Fridays
or
or
Starbucks
on
that
location
and
I
would
I
would
strongly
urge
the
developer
to
do
that.
C
C
We
do
have
a
dearth
of
low-income
housing
in
the
city
right
now,
I've
said
it
trillion
times,
we've
how
many,
how
many
units
we've
lost
in
the
last
15
years,
which
is
someone
the
range
of
10,000
units
of
affordable
housing
and
while
we
are
most
definitely
increasing
it
in
in
the
Third
Ward,
we
still
need
more.
We
need
more
now,
in
addition
to
the
low-income
housing.
We
also
need
housing
period
and
I
talked
pretty
substantially
about
the
market
economics
and
how
the
additional
housing
functions
and
what
we
see
I
mean
San
Francisco
is
mentioned.
C
The
prices
in
San
Francisco
are
sky-high
predominantly
due
to
the
fact
that
they
have
prohibited
additional
growth.
They've
prohibited
additional
height
and
what's
happened
is
the
surrounding
areas
have
gentrified,
the
values
have
gone
up,
they've
been
substantially
improved
and
since
you
don't
have
the
additional
supply
it
can't
offset
in
the
demand,
I
mean
this.
These
are.
C
It
was
commonplace
to
to
maybe
have
oh
I,
don't
know
two
or
three
or
four
big
cars
per
person,
well,
not
per
person
but
per
family
and
there's
also
an
account
member
Council.
President
Johnson
mentioned
that
in
North
Minneapolis,
the
tallest
building
is
public
housing
and
I
also
think.
There's
pretty
good
reason
for
that,
which
is
that,
as
you
increase
the
height
in,
especially
in
a
public
housing
unit,
the
price
per
unit
drops,
if
you
had
a
six
or
a
seven
or
a.
C
Building
that
was
all
public
housing.
Well,
you're.
You
have
to
endure
the
cost
of
whatever
remediation.
There
is
whatever
development
costs.
There
are,
whatever
land
acquisition
and
approvals.
There
are
for
a
more
limited
number
of
units,
as
you
raise
that
units,
though
the
cost
per
unit
goes
down,
which
is
why
that's
calls
built,
and
so
you
know,
with
with
with
a
combination
of
both
of
these
I,
would
I
want
with
I
what
I
want
both
parties
in
this
case
to
recognize
is
there
there
has
been
changed.
C
You
know
this
is
the
kind
of
result
that,
though,
however,
that
that
adds
to
the
density
that
incorporates
the
retail
that
has
an
affordable
will
hopefully
have
an
affordable
component
following
working
with
Hennepin
County,
and
although
I
do
have
the
concerns
about
the
affordability
there,
there
was
certainly
in
the
14th
14th
Avenue.
There
was
the
increasing
increases
parking
by
about
20
stalls,
and
so
you
know
these
are
the
tough
issues
that
were
wrestling
with
right.
C
You
know
it's
not
just
the
city's
goal
to
kind
of
increase
the
population
to
500,000.
It's
also
what's
happening
in
our
economy.
Right
now,
people
are
moving
back
to
cities
it
at
huge
rates,
whether
it's
you
know,
New
York,
City,
Washington,
DC,
Philadelphia
or
San.
Francisco
people
want
to
be
in
an
urban
core,
and
if
we
don't
supply
housing
for
people
to
live
in,
an
urban
core
will
simply
displace
those
who
already
live
here
and
I
can't
I
could
not
live
with
myself.
C
L
I
You,
madam
chair,
the
question
of
storm
water
that
comes
Weber
FRA
raised,
has
now
come
to
mind.
For
me,
the
surface
parking
lots
the
worst
possible
option
for
storm
water
mitigation
and
management,
but
just
to
direct
staff
that
Public
Works
to
toxic
to
someone
in
a
development
to
say
deal
with
with
your
storm.
Water
is
neither
here
nor
there.
What
is
the
plan
for
dealing
with
from
your
directing
staff
and
I'm,
not
even
on
this
committee,
just
to
work
with
them
to
deal
with
the
stormwater
issue?
What
does
that
mean
specifically?
I
Is
there
something
within
the
project
that
is?
Is
there
a
cistern
or
a
green
roof,
or
a
system
to
manage
all
stormwater
on-site
there
very
well
may
be,
and
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
If
there's
not,
are
you
directing
them
to
add
that
to
their
project?
I,
don't
think
you
should
just
pass
it
off
the
Pangea
wmtw
that
doesn't
deal
with
land-use
issues.
Tell
them
later
tell
them
to
do
something.
If
you
want
them
to
do
something,
it
has
to
be
in
this
action
right
now
and
just
to
know.
G
Each
Airbender,
councilmember,
Goodman
I,
think
staff
is
open
to
adding
a
condition
that
would
address
stormwater
so
through
this
development
they're
required
to
go
through
the
preliminary
development
review
process.
This
particular
site
is
not
a
full
acre,
so
they're
not
required
to
have
most
stringent
plan
in
place
for
stormwater.
However,
they
but
public
working
storm
sewer
will
be
reviewing
their
plans
to
ensure
that
all
infiltration
is
is
taken
care
of
with
the
site,
so
I
think
it
would
be.
G
A
F
Seen
observation,
if
this
is
something
that's
very
important
to
moving
forward
on
this
site,
given
the
conditions
then
at
minimum,
we
should
only
be
approving
this
without
recommendation
and
maybe
at
maximum,
allowing
for
more
time
to
have
a
demonstrable
path
to
any
sort
of
mitigating
systems.
The
hard
for
me,
that's
an
important
thing
to
prove
it
without
seeing
a
concrete
pathway
in
a
system
in
place.
F
We
we
should
note
that
not
only
do
we
have
some
infrastructure
challenges,
but
its
proximity,
the
river
is
not
only
materially
significant,
but
I
think
symbolically
important
as
well,
and
given
the
things
that
I've,
sir,
not
just
kpw,
but
the
watershed.
District
I
have
a
high
premium
on
taking
care
of
water
quality
issues,
regardless
of
the
minimum
standard.
The.
T
Vendor
committee
members,
as
staff
alluded
to
the
site,
is
less
than
one
acre
and
therefore
isn't
subject
to
the
more
stringent
stormwater
management
requirements.
I
would
suggest
that
committee
not
necessarily
dictate
specific
stormwater
outcomes
and
that
we
ask
them
to
work
with
Public
Works.
The
preliminary
development
of
you
notes
did
note.
It
did
note
that
there
are
no
best
management
practices
proposed
right
now,
so
perhaps
the
applicant
could
come
up
with
some.
A
The
concern
from
the
committee
will
be
not
making
it
but
making
the
conditions
strong
enough,
so
that
it's
clear
that
there's
an
expectation
that
the
outcomes
are
being
achieved
and
not
like
a
suggestion
that
work
with
staff.
So
maybe
could
someone
work,
help
us
with
language.
For
that
that
you
could
suggest
for
a
condition,
and
then
maybe
we
should
ask
the
project
team
if
there
are
plans
to
improve
upon
what's
proposed
for
the
best
management
practices
of
stormwater
management
on
the
site.
D
Council
members
chair
Daniel
over
perler
Minneapolis,
we
can
put
a
green
room
on
the
parking
structure
and
do
better
what
it
is
designed
now.
I
think
that's
one
given
without
I'm,
not
a
civil
engineer,
so
to
say
more
than
that.
But
there
is
a
great
area
that
we
can
add
that
can
absorb
water
on
the
broad.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
that
might
be
part
of
the
solution,
but
it
probably
will
not
manage
all
your
stormwater
on-site,
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
add
to
the
list
of
approvals
a
design
that
that
manages
all
stormwater
on
site,
not
everybody
else's
stormwater
problem.
I
can't
make
them
solve
that
problem,
but
at
a
minimum
you
could
solve
your
own
stormwater
management
on
site
through
a
variety
of
things.
You
could
have
an
underground
cistern.
Some
of
the
buildings
have
that
some
have
green
roofs.
I
You
can
use
some
of
your
green
space
for
bioswales
and
there
are
lots
of
different
things
you
can
do.
The
city
has
a
whole
program
in
this
area.
So
as
long
as
they
manage
all
of
their
storm
water
on-site,
we
don't
have
to
tell
them
how
to
do
it.
They
could
just
figure
it
out.
Their
architects
can
figure
it
out.
Okay,.
H
H
Increase
the
challenges
that
are
in
place
on
storm
water
management
in
this
area
we
have
those
kind
of
areas
all
across
the
city
and
a
capital
improvement
program
to
address
them
and
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
this
project
enforce
a
crisis
that
would
let
that
would
require
a
an
improvement
in
the
stormwater
management
that
would
push
it
ahead
of
another
project
without
at
least
some
consideration.
So
I
think
that's
good
suggestion.
Councilmember
Goodman.
H
A
A
This
is
you
know
these
are
difficult
projects
in
neighborhoods,
so
my
understanding,
where
we
landed
was
the
plan,
was
to
move
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
make
this
motion
as
part
of
item
2
to
add
a
condition
of
approval
that
would
be
to
manage
all
the
storm
water
on
site,
which
is
essentially
the
regulations
that
we
have
for
sites
that
are
over
an
acre
that
correct
and
I
know,
that's
not
quite
with
def
was
recommending,
but
I
think
that's
where
the
community's
oil
is
landing.
Chair.
T
I
With
the
chair,
I,
don't
think
we
should
postpone
this
one
cycle.
I
might
be
partial
to
green
roofs.
They
might
be
partial
to
a
cistern.
I
think
the
idea
is
to
let
them
figure
out
what
their
BMP
is
with
the
requirement
that
they
manage
all
of
their
stormwater
100%
of
it
on-site.
That's
the
requirement.
We
can
move
that
forward
today
and
not
make
the
neighbors
come
back
yet
again
over
this
issue
that
councilmember
fry
raised.
A
Okay,
so
then,
why
don't
we
take
up
the
rezoning
first,
as
we
did
before?
This
is
the
legislative
decision.
As
a
body
and
elected
body
we
are
making,
it
is
a
rezoning
of
the
site
to
c3
a
and
I
move
to
approve
this.
Is
there
any
discussion?
I'll
briefly
say
that
you
know,
as
we
look
through
activity
centers
throughout
the
city.
C3
a
is
really
the
zoning
that
both
most
speaks
to
the
policy
statements
and
how
we
describe
activity,
centers
and
I.
Think
frankly,
going
forward.
A
So
that's
just
a
statement
that
I
sympathize
very
much
with
folks
who
are
trying
to
do
their
best
to
really
shape
the
future
of
their
community,
and
it's
very
stressful
I
know
to
be
commenting
on
a
project
that
has
a
lot
of
different
land
use.
Applications
and
the
rezoning
as
well
so
on
the
rezoning
and
all
those
in
approval,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed.
Okay.
That
item
carries,
and
that
brings
us
back
to
item
2
and
again.
The
motion
was
to
deny
the
appeals.
A
T
A
You
so
the
motion
will
be
to
condition
of
approval,
to
the
fer
variance
to
manage
all
stormwater
on
site,
in
coordination
with
staff
from
cpad
in
public
works.
So
is
there
any
discussion
on
that
motion
on
item
2
on
the
two
motions,
seeing
none
all
approval,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed,
and
those
that
item
also
carries
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
who
came
today.
I
know.
Sometimes
these
committee
meetings
are
a
lot
of
discussion
and
then
their
decision
so
part
of
me,
council
president,
that
was
on
both.
H
A
A
But
why
don't
we
make
that
motion
to
add
a
condition
of
approval
to
item
2.2
which
is
related
to
the
stormwater
management,
as
I
stated
before
the
requirement
that
the
project
team
work
with
sacrum
Peapod
and
Public
Works
to
manage
all
stormwater
on
site
on
approvals
we
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed
that
carries,
but
on
the
overall
motion
to
deny
the
appeals
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
any
opposed,
and
that
item
carries
so.
That
concludes
item
to
apologize
for
the
confusion
and,
as
folks
are
leaving
just
want
to.
A
J
And
committee
members
item
number
three
is
an
appeal
by
the
applicant
holiday
station
stores
for
denial
of
three
applications
to
allow
for
the
reconstruction
of
an
automobile
convenience
facility,
including
a
car
wash
which
is
an
accessory
use.
The
site
was
formerly
the
Old
Colony
site.
It
was
acquired
by
holiday
station
stores.
Recently
they
have
rebranded
the
site,
including
removing
the
iconic
beehive
sign
on
the
property.
That's
been
sold
to
someone
else.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
reconstruct
the
site.
J
The
first
one
is
for
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
for
the
reconstruction
of
the
animal
automobile
convenience
facility,
which
is
a
conditional
use.
A
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
for
a
dynamic
sign
and
then
also
the
site
plan,
review
the
course
of
the
applications
and
the
reason
for
staff's
recommendation
really
came
down
to
the
site
plan
review
standards.
J
So
this
is
where
I'd
like
to
focus.
My
presentation
on
are
the
areas
for
which
alternative
compliance
was
requested,
really
that
kind
of
hinged
on
the
fact
that
the
location
of
the
build
in
staffs
opinion
was
inappropriate.
First,
is
that
the
building
location
was
more
than
70
feet,
away
from
the
front
lot
line,
which
is
Washington
Avenue
north,
where
the
site
plan
review
guidelines
would
require
the
building,
be
built
no
more
than
eight
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
J
Second,
staff
do
not
feel
as
though
this
proposed
site
plan
reinforced
the
street
wall
along
Washington,
Avenue
North.
Third,
that
there
was
a
lack
of
amenity
between
the
front
lot
line
and
the
building
there's
landscaping
around
the
perimeter
edge
that
there
were
no
additional
features
provided
due
to
the
location
of
the
building.
There
are
quite
a
few
more
trees
required
and
that's
based
on
a
tree
requirement
of
one
tree
per
25
feet
of
linear
frontage.
Where
there's
a
parking
lot
provided
in
this
case,
the
applicant
was
providing
eight
trees
where
22
would
be
required.
J
The
on-site
parking
is
located
between
the
building
and
the
front
lot
line,
or
the
the
street
frontage
is
where
we
would
direct
future
construction
to
be
along
that
front.
Property
line
and
staff
did
not
feel
as
though
the
proposed
site
layout
promoted
the
natural
surveillance
of
the
site,
so
staff
felt
as
though
all
of
those
areas
of
alternative
compliance
were
really
dictated
by
the
location
of
the
building.
J
In
addition
is
that
the
applicant
has
a
few
other
areas
of
alternative
compliance
that
were
requested
not
necessarily
related
to
the
building,
but
I
just
want
to
deplete
that
out.
Staff
felt
as
though
that
the
layout
of
the
plan
really
would
have
dictated
an
entirely
different
project.
So
we
did
recommend
denial
as
a
conditional
use
permits
all
both
to
allow
for
the
use
and
the
dynamic
sign,
because
they
were
not
able
to
make
the
six
finding
compliance
with
the
alt
all
of
the
other
requirements.
J
So
that
was
how
we
came
to
the
conclusion
to
recommend
denial
of
the
the
to
conditional
use
permits
and
then
site
plan
review
at
community
of
the
whole
for
the
Planning
Commission
the
applicant
was
I,
did
show
a
different
location.
I
should
say
we
back
up
just
a
little
bit
really
what's
driving
the
location
of
the
building,
for
the
applicants
is
some
on-site
pollution,
which
is
not
mentioned
in
copy
of
the
staff
report.
J
A
Q
Q
I
think
of
the
site
really
is
important
to
us.
On
one
side
we
have
the
Lea.
We
have
the
freeway
of
94
and
the
entrance
coming
up,
which
means
that
there's
never
be
a
street
wall.
There'll
be
no
chance
for
buildings
on
that
side
of
Washington,
Avenue,
so
half
the
street
walls
alone.
It's
mixed,
as
you
add,
on
our
side
of
Washington,
there's
a
three-story
blank
wall
across
the
street
from
us.
It's.
Q
Us
is
the
alums
from
Bad
center
lundström
is
some
very
attractive.
Building
they've
been
working
with
us
throughout
the
whole
thing
and
encouraging
us
strongly
to
redevelop
our
site
together.
The
question
is:
I,
don't
think
it's
alternative
redevelopment,
so
it's
continuing
the
present
building
on
that
site
or
allowing
us
to
invest
in
North
Minneapolis
to
build
the
to
build
the
new
site.
Q
Alums
drummers
are
in
very
supportive
and
encouraging,
so
it
so
has
to
immediately
the
other
tenant
in
the
building
and
as
well
and
it's
the
West
Valley
Business
Association
and
our
neighbors
and
all
of
them
have
thought
about
number
one
way
they
David
able
to
appreciate
a
brand
new
building.
You
have
much
more
detail
on
the
images
in
your
packet,
but
we
will
build
a
very
quality
of
building
brick
iron,
a
brand
new
score.
It
is.
We
really
can
grant
the
appeal
to
move
forward.
I.
Q
Think
people
very
much
want
this
as
an
at
the
area
and
then
also
there's
also
to
seem
to
be
some
bad
karma
at
that
site
and
and
I
think
that
I
would
have
been
really
surprised.
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
while,
and
the
North
Side
residents
review
to
be
Development,
Council,
three
or
four
people
just
said:
don't
do
that
part
of
the
part
of
the
site
plan
that
we're
doing
is
number
one.
Q
Do
it's
great
and
we
would
we
would
demolish
the
entire
site
with
our
with
with
our
with
our
redevelopment.
We
would
also
close
to,
although
all
the
driveways,
except
to
which
is
going
to
direct
all
the
traffic
in
front
of
the
store
through
here,
and
give
us
good,
vivid
visibility
out
the
police.
Good
visibility
in
there
are
a.
C
Q
Very
confident
that
the
public
realm
will
be
a
little
will
be
immediately
and
exceptionally
improved,
at
least
on
our
side
launched
and
I
own
it
and
in
the
side
streets.
As
as
how
China
said
this
was
a
super
hot
site
on
the
South
Africa
site,
a
company
for
ten
years
wrecked
batteries
and
transformers
they
left
LED
and
PCBs
on
the
site.
The
Superfund
site
turns
out
not
to
be
confidently,
it
was
closed,
so
they
it
was
only.
It
was
presumably
remediated
and
are
once
once
we
bought
the
site.
Ira
environmental
people
said
you
know.
Q
Maybe
we
should
drill
some
holes
just
to
see
how
they
hit
and
sure
enough
we
found
out.
There
was
a
positive
load
and
a
deposit
of
a
PCBs
left
on
the
site.
They
are
not
volatile,
they
don't
migrate,
but
they
had
to
be
covered
so
that
they
don't
leak
and
so
that
area
there
has
to
continue
to
have
an
asphalt
or
a
waterproof
cap
on
which
means
it
can't
be
planted.
It
can't
be
anything
can
be
used
for
parking
if
you
start
to
disturb
any
of
it.
You'd
have,
to
put
it
I.
Q
I,
don't
know,
went
through
the
story
or
not,
but
yet
do
they
have
to
put
it
put
the
dirt
in
in
55-gallon
drums
and
ship
it
to
Ohio.
If
it's
a
crazy
system,
which
just
adds
millions
to
the
cost
of
us
of
a
of
a
of
a
of
a
of
a
redevelopment
which
has
always
been
a
difficult
one
to
me
how
they
is
committed
to
make
this
investment.
Q
Stamp
did
challenge
us
to
come
up
with
a
plan
that
would
work
in
a
planning
sense.
You
can
find
a
plan
that
would
work.
That's
not
hard
to
do
our
issues
are
there.
If
we
can't
dig
on
the
South
half
of
the
site
on
the
North
Africa
site,
we
need
a
room
for
our
underground
tanks,
which
are
10
feet
12
feet
by
40
feet
as
well
as
moon
for
the
government
be
on
top
of
them.
We
have.
Q
Q
We
also
want
to
build
the
store
which
is
about
1,500
square
feet
larger
than
bilious
than
the
store
that
is
there
there
now.
You
know,
give
us
a
platform
to
immediately
expand
our
our
inside
sales
and
continue
to
evolve,
hopefully
getting
more
towards
groceries
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
we
move
forward
in
the
future,
and
we
could
put
a
store
in
the
corner,
but
it
would
have
to
be
a
much
smaller,
maybe
wedge-shaped,
and
if
we
just
can't
do
that,
we
just
don't
think
that's
a
practical.
Q
A
I,
just
clarify
them:
I
just
want
to
keep
track
of
the
time,
but
the
essential
argument
you're
making
is
that
because
of
the
solution,
that's
remaining
on
the
site.
That's
really
driving
the
site
plan
review,
because
just
to
be
clear,
the
reason
for
the
recommendation
of
denials
from
staff
in
the
denial
that
the
Planning
Commission
was
all
to
do
with
the
how
the
building
is
situated
on
a
lot
because
as
a
detail,
all.
Q
The
other
details
are
really
covered
and
right,
I
think
that
I
think
that
I
think
that
we
need
it
so
I'll
skip
to
this.
The
good
news
for
us
is
that
this
condition
was
anticipated
in
in
in
the
zoning
code.
There
are
two
sections
of
the
code
as
far
as
building
placement
that
allows
an
exemption
if
you
provide
other
alternative
things
which
we
think
we
are
and
then
that.
Secondly,
number
two
says
that
if.
Q
Site
that
left
that
make
it
impractical
and
I
guess:
we've
made
the
case
you're
kind
of
the
case,
it's
impractical.
Now
we
we
obviously
want
to
make
the
investment
I
think
that
our
neighbors
want
to
make
the
desk
of
the
neighbor
groups
want
to
make
the
investment
simply
wanted
and
we
want
to
move
forward.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Josefa
no.
A
Of
course,
thank
you
other
any
questions.
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
that
was
really
the
only
sort
of
piece
really
driving
the
staff
recommendation.
Okay,
would
anyone
else
like
to
speak
on
this
item
anyone
else
anyone
else
like
to
speak
came
down.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing,
see
there's
a
motion
or
any
caps.
Members
want
to
be.
W
W
You
know
iconic
sign
and
all
that
stuff,
but
I
think
it
gotten
to
the
point
of
being
of
light
in
that
area,
and
you
know
that
holiday
shows,
invest
in
the
site
and
that
they're
choosing
to
redevelop
this
site
and
make
it
a
lot
nicer
and
better
is
a
testament
to
you
know
their
investment
in
this
part
of
North
Minneapolis,
and
you
know,
I,
do
want
to
throw
up
that.
You
know
given
in
soil
conditions.
That
would
be
what
would
need
to
be
remediated.
W
There-
and
you
know
so,
I
mean
for
myself-
I
mean
sometimes
it's
hard
to
go
against
a
staff
recommendation
and
also
a
Planning
Commission,
but
I
think
in
this
situation,
I
think
it's
appropriate
and
so
I,
my
colleagues
to
prove
this
were
to
grant
this
appeal
and
approve
this
development.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
President,
thank
you
mature,
and
you
know,
I
agree
with
my
colleague
called
murmuring
I.
Actually
again,
my
personal
experience
I
spend
every
Monday
at
lundström
Center,
with
my
granddaughter
who
takes
dance
lessons.
There
I've
done
it
for
probably
six
years
and
when
a
speaker
talked
about
bad
karma.
The
bad
karma
is
that
there
have
been
homicides
there.
There
been
shooting
multiple
shootings,
that
kind
of
thing,
and
precisely
because
of
some
of
the
challenges
of
the
site,
the
multiple
entrances.
That
kind
of
thing
give
people
places
to
hang
around
and
this
this
project
will
eliminate
that.
H
I
also
think
that
it
is
important
when
you
look
at
the
transformation
of
the
North
Washington
area,
that
we
continue
the
success
that
we're
seeing
in
the
North
Loop,
seeing
that
continued
down,
Washington
Avenue
I
think
is
what
most
people
in
North
Minneapolis
want
to
see
and
we'll
see
a
big
financial
investment
of
this
company
and
I
think
it
will
be
well
received
with
nice
materials
that
they
use
in
their
projects
and
and
people
will
appreciate
that
so
the
further
investment
again
continuing.
What
is
the
success
of
that
nursery
with
Labor's
neighborhood
I'm?
A
Just
want
to
note
that
if
this
is
why
we
have
the
process
of
appeal,
so
that
policymakers
can
weigh
in
I
just
wanted
to
reflect
that
the
Planning
Commission,
a
lot
of
a
discussion
was
about
the
fact
that
other
holiday
stores
and
other
neighborhoods
of
our
city
have
been
able
to
provide
a
more
urban
context
that
has
that
amenity
of
having
a
sidewalk
and
drains
close
to
the
sidewalk,
the
site
plan,
being
just
more
of
a
city
or
neighborhood
feel
and
I
just
want
to
reinforce
that
I.
Think
back
there.
A
The
right
thing
here
and
pushing
the
developer
and,
like
I,
said:
that's
why
we
have
the
appeal
process,
because
we're
fast
with
taking
in
the
context
award
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
sending
to
staff
the
message
that
you
know
I
think
that
we
do
want
to
continue
to
stick
to
that
philosophy
of
things.
Citywide.
A
K
Just
in
this
instance,
because
the
body
is
not
affirming
the
action
of
the
Planning
Commission,
you
want
to
be
sure
to
adopt
findings,
and
so
the
staff
actually
recommended
approval
of
the
to
see.
Ups,
you
can
adopt
the
staff
findings
and
then,
with
approval
of
the
alternative
on
the
building
placement
for
the
site
plan.
L
J
In
the
context
of
always
being
prepared
is
great
one
and
so
staff
had
recommended
denial
of
all
three
applications,
just
as
a
clarification,
but
with
conditions,
if
approved,
for
the
conditional
use
permit
defines
not
made
or
the
conditional
use
permit
slip
to
all
about
land
use
under
a
and
B
were
just
the
six
finding
so
related
to
not
being
in
compliance
with
the
site
plan
review.
So
with
approval
the
site
plan
review,
those
findings
would
be
made
and
those
conditional
use
permits
would
be
approved.
J
Staff
has
identified
a
number
of
additional
type
plant
review
conditions
of
approval
that
we
would
like
to
have
considered.
I
have
spoken
with
the
applicant.
There
are
a
few
that
they
don't
agree
with.
If
you'd
like,
we
can
go
through
those
line
by
line
real
quick
or
is
it
easier
to
and
not
the
ones
that
we
know
for
sure
that
they're
able
to
meet.
A
J
Will
be
number
seven?
Oh
I'm,
sorry
freezing.
We
would
know
the
race
walking
okay,
so
we
have
a
disagreement
on
number
six,
where
the
applicant
will
provide
a
raised
walkway
connecting
the
public
sidewalk
to
the
front
door
right
now.
It's
just
painted
as
a
crosswalk
would
be
in
the
public
street
number.
Seven
moving
attraction.
Closure
staff's
contention.
Is
that
there's
lots
of
opportunity
to
relocate
the
trash
to
another
part
of
the
site,
that's
not
between
the
building
and
does
the
front
line
and
then
also
along
16th.
J
The
applicant
has
stated
that's
the
best
area
for
their
their
staff
on
site,
to
drop
off
the
trash
and
then
have
trash
haulers
pick
it
up
number
eight,
an
even
distribution
of
Windows.
They
have
stated
that
the
floor
plan
is
pretty
much
a
it's
completed
and
we're
not
entertaining
providing
a
more
the
certain
distribution
of
Windows
on
those
two
sides.
J
I
Is
that
appropriate
management
counselor
yang?
Can
you
work
out
these
site
plan
conditions?
If
we
move
this
forward
without
recommendation,
or
do
you
need
us
to
give
our
opinion
on
each
one,
because
you
might
not,
like
my
opinion,
there's
no
way
we
should
put
the
garbage
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
They
should
be
asked
to
add
windows
and
I.
Don't
care
if
that's
their
design.
I
So
manager
I
think
we
should
move
this
board
without
recommendation
and
ask
a
councilmember
yang.
Come
back
to
committee
the
whole
incorporating
many
of
these
site
plan
review
conditions.
I
am
NOT
for
one
going
to
say
that
in
North,
Minneapolis
garbage
on
the
right-of-way
is
acceptable,
that
not
the
cookie
cutter
approach
is
OK
and
we're
ready
giving
you
a
big
give
here
on
the
location.
I
think
you
should
make
this
look
better
than
what
it
would
look
like
an
uptown
that,
worse.
A
Ok,
so
we
have
a
subsequent
two
motion
essentially
to
move
this
item
forward
without
recommendation
to
the
council.
Any
discussion
on
that
motion
seeing
none
all
in
approval,
please
say
aye
aye
any
opposed
that
carries,
and
so
then
again
the
intention
will
be
to
take
action
on
this
at
council,
but
the
hope
will
be
that
the
site
plan
review
conditions
are
available
for
review
of
by
the
Committee
of
the
Whole
meeting.
Okay
item:
4.
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
4?
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
on
item
5
item
6.
V
A
O
U
Number
six:
this
is
a
interviews
permit
for
Thomason
sons
for
a
temporary
use
permit
for
crushing
concrete
asphalt
and
rock
at
to
Dalian
Avenue.
This
is
an
extension.
If
you
will
of
a
previous
permit
that
was
issued
by
the
city
back
in
October
at
16,
they
asked
for
one
month
a
temporary
permit.
Then
they
had
now
requested
an
another
interim
use
permit
for
rock
crushing
at
the
site
until
December
31st
of
this
year,
we
are
recommending
approval
subject
to
conditions.
Can.
U
Baby
lady
moving
the
material
that
is
mobile
equipment
is
it's
all
moved
around
on
trunk.
I
would
assume
that
at
the
end
of
this
period,
all
of
their
piles
of
debris
would
be
crushed
and
removed
from
the
site
and
then,
as
the
upper
terminal
redevelopment
process
was
forward,
we
would
see
what
comes
next.
The.
L
A
U
This
is
another
interim
use
permit
for
1409
with
salad.
Is
the
property
highlighted
or
outlined
on
the
site?
This
is
for
an
interim
use.
Permit
parking
lot
Tilda.
So
excuse
me
July
31st
of
2018
right
now,
18
West,
15th
Street
is
currently
under
construction,
and
it
is
proposed
for
a
development
that
has
been
approved
by
the
city.
The
residents
at
1425
have
a
small
parking
lot
on
site
that
parking
lot
is
being
utilized
for
construction
staging.
So
in
the
interim,
what
they
are
proposing
to
do
is
utilize.
U
There
are
several
zoning
code
requirements
that
would
need
to
be
waived
as
part
of
this
process,
and
we
are
recommending
that
you
waive
those
to
allow
the
temporary
18
space
surface
parking
lot,
as
full.
Compliance
with
those
requirements
would
require
more
much
more
substantial
improvements
and
investment.
Excuse
me
to
the
site,
which
would
be
impractical
for
an
interim
use
permit,
so
we
are
recommending
approval
until
July
31st
of
2018.
Thank.
A
Y
Drew
running
I
live
just
out
at
14,
17
was
the
Avenue
actually
probably
for
the
last
couple
months.
People
have
been
parking
in
that
parking
lot
and
I
wouldn't
say
it's
paved
rather
than
it's
the
foundation
of
an
old
building
that
was
torn
down
a
long
time
ago
and
the
entrance
to
it
is
shared
with
our
alleyway
and
in
order
to
get
up
on
to
what
the
old
foundation
was,
they
just
laid
down
a
bunch
of
like
loose,
Rock
and
stuff
like
that
I'm
not
opposed
to
parking
up
in
my
neighborhood.
Y
Y
X
X
A
I
But
I
am
sympathetic
to
the
residence
at
1425
LaSalle
who
don't
have
somewhere
to
park.
So
I
am
willing
to
allow
this
to
happen
for
a
year
so
that
the
resident
can
park
there,
not
for
the
construction
companies,
the
architect,
the
owner
and
everybody
else,
because
they're
not
supposed
to
be
having
any
parking
there
in
the
first
place.
So
I
would
like
to
to
make
a
condition
on
the
interim
use
permit
that
they
develop
a
system
with
the
owners
of
1425
LaSalle
to
give
them
each
a
tag.
I
We
know
that,
what's
going
to
happen
going
forward,
so
a
one-year
to
help
the
residents
I'm
good
with
it
looks
horrible,
it's
dangerous
and
it's
illegally
being
used
now,
so
unless
they
can
make
it
good
for
the
residents
not
worth
us
going
back
on
our
plan
to
try
to
eliminate
the
use
of
surface
parking,
so
should
I
put
that
in
the
form
of
a
motion.
Madam
chair
I
move
to
approve
the
interim
use
permit
under
the
condition
that
the
owner
work
with
the
owner
of
1425
Sal
to
implement
a
visible
permit
on
each
card.
A
V
Picked
up
a
city
planner
with
the
tpod
jeden
before
you
this
morning
is
an
appeal
by
the
August
sheltering
company
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
ition
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
decision
made
by
the
hpc
I'll
try
to
keep
this
background
rather
brief
for
the
first
good
time,
and
because
the
scope
of
her
appeal
is
really
limited,
as
this
field
is
for
the
on
the
Greenbelt
beer
sign
on
Nicol
Islands
Forum.
On
that
request,
the
sign
was
built
in
1941,
but
moved
to
the
site
in
1950
has
done.
This.
I
percent
is
located
within
Messina
people.
V
The
National
Register
since
2016
August
shelled
recently
purchased
the
site
and
our
president
proposing
to
relight
the
sign
using
new
LED
fixtures,
replacing
the
tube
neon
with
new,
flexible
LED
tubing
and
replacing
the
incandescent
bulbs
new
LED
bulbs,
they're,
also
proposing
some
security
screening
along
the
base
of
the
sign
are
the
base
of
the
fine-structure
Stefan
I'll
analyze.
The
proposal
with
regard
to
the
required
speed,
appropriate
findings,
as
well
as
be
seen
as
default
historic
guidelines,
the
design
guidelines
on
premise,
signs
and
monning's
in
historic
districts.
V
The
staff
then
recommended
approval
with
number
of
interesting
conditions,
one
of
them
being
number
six
that
that
pin
is
proposing
to
change
the
colors
of
the
sign
varying
from
historic
sign
colors
about
six
plus
later
there
are
six
named
occasions
in
then
collaboration
of
championships,
the
Minnesota
sports
games,
so
six
or
possibly
more.
The
hpc
also
approved
the
application
they
modified
condition
number
six,
but
the
the
applications
that
improved
allowing
the
those
changes
in
color.
V
The
reason
for
the
appeal
of
bit
of
an
unusual
appeal,
the
appellants
talent,
is
not
disputing
the
decision
or
the
conditions
of
approval.
Rather,
they
are
proposing
to
make
a
change
in
their
application,
which
was
identified
during
the
appeal
period.
So
we're
taking
this
as
an
appeal
as
close
to
a
new
application.
You
can
see
on
the
left,
comparison
of
a
sort,
Besant
bulb
and
the
clear.
C
V
Bulb
that
was
included
in
their
application.
This
is
what
was
reviewed
by
staff
when
growth,
the
staff
report
and
what
was
reviewed
by
the
hpc
at
their
hearing.
The
image
on
the
right
is
the
new
bulb
fiftieth
like
to
use
as
a
color-changing
led,
you
know,
kind
of
a
differs
in
shape
and
in
color
as
it's
a
frosted
bald,
and
this
would
allow
them
to
do
the
the
color
changes
on
the
entire
sign
with
the
bulbs
and
the
tubing.
V
There
are
two
other
items:
well,
they're,
not
part
of
the
appeal
the
staff
would
like
to
highlight
just
for
clarification.
The
new
proposed
LED
tubing
is
a
fixed
design
with
a
solid
backing,
as
opposed
to
the
the
Stork
neon,
which
would
have
kind
of
floated
above
the
surface
of
a
sign
with
supports
spaced
at
regular
intervals.
V
There
was
some
a
lot
of
clarity
about
this
at
HPC
hearing,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
second
item
I'd,
just
like
to
bring
some
some
clarification
to
is
the
condition
of
approval
if
they
use
those.
The
locations
of
those
existing
sign
supports
to
affixed
a
new
LED
tubing,
but,
as
I
said,
the
it
issues,
issues
being
appealed
and
the
principle
is
for
you
is
the
change
in
the
application
allowing
changing
the
type
of
bulbs
to
used
I
can
answer
if
there
any
questions
for
staff
are.
E
U
Z
With
everything,
so
when
I
wrote,
the
statement
of
Appeal
is
a
little
bit
odd.
This
is
really
more
of
a
supplementation
than
anything
else.
There
was
confusion
and
I'll
take
responsibility
for
that.
We
were
trying
to
get
staff
some
different.
If
we
look
at
the
pictures
of
evolved,
the
bulbs
that
look
clear,
we're
trying
to
show
the
difference
between
what
does
LED
look
like
as
compared
to
incandescent
light
bulbs,
which
are
currently
up
there,
we
need
to
use
LED.
It's
the
only
way.
Z
This
thing
is
going
to
go
forward
and
so
just
to
show
the
difference
in
how
it
illuminates
that
was
the
purpose
of
that
those
pictures,
the
picture
of
the
bulb
on
the
right,
the
one
that
has
the
frosted
it's
a
polycarbonate,
exterior,
that's
important
for
an
exterior
sign.
So
the
anytime
we
have
a
hailstorm
or
high
winds.
It's
not
going
to
break
requiring
us
to
go
up
there
and
continuously
fix
it.
T
Z
A
from
a
distance,
you
really
won't
be
able
to
tell
a
difference
if
you're
up
really
close
to
it.
You
can,
you
can
tell
then
there's
nothing
up
there
right
most
of
the
bulbs
are
broken,
I
mean
they're
they're
gone.
So
if
you
study
it
closely,
you'll
be
able
to
tell
but
again
I
think
one
of
the
important
pieces
is
again
when
HPC
looked
at
this.
We
brought
those
all's
width
to
the
meeting
and
that's
what
we
showed
them.
The
white
bulbs,
the
wipeout,
the
polycarbonate
bulbs,
that's
correct,
are.