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Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we'll
work
from
the
agendas
that
are
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
which
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
which
items
will
be
discussed
and
which
items
will
be
put
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
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Item
number
four
is
1035
14th
avenue,
southeast
ward
2.
This
is
the
como
avenue
congregational
church,
historic,
landmark
nomination.
That
item
will
be
discussed
and
item
number.
Five
is
1609
university
avenue,
south
east
ward
2,
which
is
the
phi
kappa
psi
edition
and
rehabilitation,
and
this
is
the
initial
feedback
on
their
application
and
that
item
will
be
discussed.
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A
Thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
we
begin.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
First
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
invite
public
comment
we'll
take
speakers
in
the
order
that
they
pre-registered.
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If
there
are
any
speakers,
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes,
we'll
ask
that
after
your
name
is
called
you
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
to
your
comments.
Please
keep
your
comments
on
the
application
that
is
before
us
today
order
to
activate
your
microphone.
You
need
to
press
star
6
on
your
phone
and
then
wait
to
hear
a
pre-recorded
message
before
you're
able
to
start
speaking
so
again,
we'll
take
the
list
of
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue.
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K
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
my
name
is
rob
scalecki,
I'm
a
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
cped.
Today,
I'm
presenting
a
landmark
nomination
for
1035
14th
avenue
southeast
the
como
congregational.
Excuse
me
the
komo
avenue
congregational
church.
The
property
has
been
nominated
by
cam
gordon
city
of
minneapolis
council
member
for
ward
2..
Next
slide.
Please.
K
The
subject
property
was
completed
in
1887
as
the
como
avenue
congregational
church,
designed
by
architect,
charles
cedric.
The
property
game
was
built
as
part
of
james
t
elwell
and
the
elwell
family's
plan
to
develop
the
elwell's
first
and
second
editions
core
sections
of
the
como
neighborhood,
the
owl
family
was
influential
in
como's.
Expansion
in
the
late
19th
century
by
aiding
development
in
the
social
infrastructure
of
the
neighborhood
evidence
indicates
that
the
como
avenue
congregational
church
is
the
only
remaining
public
centered
building
constructed
in
this
1880s
era
of
compost
development.
K
K
The
city
of
minneapolis
considers
charles
sedgwick
to
be
a
master
architect,
cedric
designed
many
significant
minneapolis
buildings
and
frequently
work
using
revival
movements
of
the
era
her
available
photo
evidence.
The
original
style
of
the
building
appears
to
have
been
a
unique
blend
of
popular
styles
in
minneapolis
architecture
in
the
1880s.
K
K
Both
of
these
styles
are
also
evident
in
the
tower
detail
in
a
regular
roof
shape.
Some
decorative
wood
is
still
present
noticeable
at
trim
at
openings,
and
it
appears
that
the
only
remaining
shingled
portion
of
the
property
exists
on
the
rear
elevation,
which
is
visible
from
13th
avenue
southeast
next
slide.
Please.
K
K
K
K
The
subject
property
retains
fairly
poor
integrity
relative
to
the
original
sedgwick
design.
The
property
has
been
noticeably
altered,
evident
in
the
stucco
cladding,
the
removal
of
characteristic
wood
shingles
on
all
elevations
and
timber
elements.
In
the
main
entry
tower,
the
alterations
made
to
the
church
appear
to
have
been
done
to
facilitate
a
very
active
congregation,
and
while
they
detract
from
the
original
appearance,
they
might
have
acquired
their
own
significance
as
changes
that
allowed
the
property
to
continue
as
a
community
focal
point
for
the
como
neighborhood.
K
The
property
retains
enough
integrity
as
it
relates
to
setting
association
feeling
and
location
to
communicate
its
identity.
As
a
late
19th
early
20th
century
neighborhood
church,
the
property
appears
to
retain
design
and
workmanship
integrity
to
the
1953
alterations
made
by
herbert
b
cromet
next
slide.
Please.
K
This
slide
just
shows
a
few
additional
photos,
though.
The
one
on
the
very
far
left
is
the
north
side
elevation
and
as
referenced
before
the
other
two
show,
the
original
brick
cladding
at
the
rear,
which
is
visible
from
13th
avenue
southeast
the
nominated
property
appears
to
meet
two
of
the
city's
seven
criteria
for
designation
criterium,
one
the
properties
associated
with
significant
events
or
with
peers
at
periods
that
exemplify
broad
patterns
of
cultural,
political,
economic
or
social
identity.
K
The
como
avenue
congregational
church
appears
to
be
the
first
church
constructed
in
the
como
neighborhood,
and
it
appears
to
have
served
as
a
multi-denominational
space
that
aided
social
and
built
development
of
the
surrounding
area.
For
decades,
the
building
was
completed
in
1887
as
part
of
como,
as
envisioned
by
james
t,
elwell
and
the
yellow
family
for
ella's,
first
and
second
additions
in
the
1880s.
K
As
such,
the
building
appears
to
be
the
oldest
and
only
remaining
community
center,
building,
directly
connected
to
the
original
1880s
elwell
plans
for
the
como
neighborhood.
It
also
appears
to
me
criterion
three.
If
the
property
contains
or
is
associated
with,
distinctive
elements
of
city
or
neighborhood
identity,
the
como
avenue
congregational
church
was
among
the
neighborhood's
most
visited
community
spaces.
For
over
a
century.
The
property
appears
to
be
a
characteristic
part
of
the
original
como
community
and
retains
its
tangible
remains
as
a
tangible
testament
to
the
owl
family's
development
of
como,
based
on
information
available.
K
At
this
time
there
does
not
appear
to
be
a
better
extent.
Example
of
a
building
that
relays
this
history
of
the
neighborhood's
original
identity,
so
with
the
the
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development,
recommends
that
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
the
nomination
by
councilmember,
gordon
for
the
como
avenue
congregational
church,
located
at
1035,
14th
avenue
southeast
for
designation
as
a
landmark
and
recommend
to
approve
the
nomination
of
the
como
avenue.
Congregational
church,
1035,
14th
avenue,
southeast,
establish
interim
protection
and
direct
the
planning
director
to
prepare
or
cause
to
be
prepared.
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F
Yes,
I
am
here
and
I
would
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
it's
great
to
be
here
with
you.
I
wish
we
could
be
meeting
in
person,
but
it's
nice
to
be
here
virtually
and
I'm
excited
to
see
you
kind
of
have
a
ward,
2
heritage
preservation.
Commission
meeting
today.
Both
items
have
to
do
with
the
award.
F
I
am
nominated
or
brought
this
application
forward
for
nomination
really
based
on
the
work
of
others.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community
and
in
the
neighborhood
there
who
don't,
who
have
done
a
lot
of
research
on
the
new
congregational
church,
and
I
think
quite
a
bit
of
that
was
provided
in
the
staff
report.
F
I
have
known
of
this
building
for
a
long
time
and
it
looks
very
unique
on
the
block
where
it
sits,
but
you
can
kind
of
think
back
and
imagine
how
much
different
it
must
have
looked
when
there
weren't
all
the
houses
that
were
around
there.
So
I
think
it
has
been
a
treasured
asset
in
the
community
for
a
long
time.
F
People
have
been
looking
at
it
and
trying
to
reuse
it
for
a
while,
and
there
was
talk
recently
about
I'm
demolishing
it
and
that
made
people
get
even
more
serious
about
looking
and
examining
it
and
really
what
led
to
this
application
was
a
letter
and
work
that
cped
had
done
initially.
Initially
no
letter
came
out
in
march
and
kind
of
doing
a
quick
review
and
making
some
findings
and
looking
through
it
and
highlighting
that
it
may
qualify
for
designation.
F
So
that
certainly
prompted
me
to
go
back
to
the
neighborhood
association
and
residents
in
the
area
and
see
what
their
thoughts
were,
and
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
support
for
looking
into
this
and,
as
the
staff
have
indicated,
there's
at
least
two
criteria
and
that
they
think
it
probably
and
potentially
would
qualify
for
her
historic,
designation
on
and
that's
kind
of
what
I
based
my
application
on.
I
also
think
there's
a
chance
that
there
may
be
some
additional
criteria
that
hopefully
the
study
might
reveal.
F
I
understand
that
the
architect
is
considered
a
master
architect
and
this
may
fit
somehow
under
criteria
six
because
of
the
craftsman.
I
know
people
are
questioning
the
integrity
of
the
work
and
there's
definitely
been
some
alterations,
so
that
would
raise
questions
about
that,
but
it
actually
has
quite
an
interesting
interior
as
well.
There's
a
sanctuary
like
I've,
never
seen
before
kind
of
with
a
sloping
floor
and
other
things
like
that
things.
I
think
we
want
to
look
at
too
to
see.
F
I
know
that
there
have
been
at
least
two
people
interested
in
redeveloping
it
and
preserving
the
building
and
reusing
it,
and
so
I
think
that
also
gives
us
some
hope
that
it
could
actually
be
restored
and
reused
in
the
community.
I
think
you'll
probably
get
more
information
about
the
history
from
others.
F
I
will
note
that
there
are
some
historical
figures
like
maria
sanford,
who
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
the
church
and
so
there's
a
chance
that
we'll
notice
that
that
it
also
is
historic
because
of
some
of
the
activities
that
went
in
there.
It's
very
interesting
that
actually,
this
is
the
place
that
was
the
center
of
the
neighborhood
before
park.
Was
there
before
anything
else?
F
Was
there
and
it's
also
the
group
that
founded
the
como
neighborhood
improvement
association,
so
it
has
certainly
has
a
long
long
history
in
defining
that
neighborhood
and
being
a
center
of
activity
there.
I
think
that's
all.
I
need
to
say
now,
and
I
really
appreciate
you
giving
me
the
time,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
or
give
more
input
later
needed.
C
C
I
can
hear
you,
this
is
christopher
yep.
M
L
L
When
we
came
in
our
plan
was
to
house
my
nonprofit
there
and
we
knew
it
was
gonna,
be
a
big
job,
so
we
more
or
less
went
in
anticipating
a
lot
of
trouble,
but
what
we
found
as
we
got
deeper
and
deeper
into
it.
Much
to
our
sadness
and
disappointment
is
there
was
virtually
nothing
left
of
the
original
building.
Everything
had
been
neglected
to
the
point
where
walls
were
falling
down.
We
had
to
put
a
new
roof
on
it.
The
brick
facade
was
bad
enough.
L
You
could
see
daylight
through
it.
So
truthfully
what
us
in
our
project
and
why
my
nonprofit
still
isn't
there
is.
We
simply
got
to
the
point
where
it
was
not
economically
viable
to
try
and
do
the
work
necessary
to
get
this
building
fit
for
public
use
and,
as
you
mentioned,
the
1880
building
was
a
beautiful
structure.
L
The
1930s,
the
50s,
radically
altered
that
elements
missing
things
covered
and
what
we
found
that
you
may
or
may
not
be
aware
of,
is
when
I
look
at
it
from
the
inside
there's
some
serious
issues
that
have
yet
to
be
addressed
to
make
this
building
fit
for
use
and
what
we
found
when
I
did
in
fact
work
with
the
neighborhood
for
a
couple
of
years.
Trying
to
get
a
non-profit
to
take
over
is
that
no
one
was
interested.
L
We
tried
with
the
theater
that
failed.
I
tried
with
two
different
religious
schools.
No
one
could
come
up
with
the
necessary
funds,
including
when
the
neighborhood
had
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
contribute
to
this
project.
No
one
was
willing
to
undertake
the
kind
of
restoration
this
building
would
need
to
preserve
it.
L
So,
sadly,
it's
left
me
in
a
position
where
I
got
a
building.
That
was
once
very
interesting
and
historical
and
is
now
basically
a
milage
of
various
architectural
faux
pas
truthfully
and
I'm
a
little
confused
as
to
why
all
of
a
sudden
there
would
when
we
were
in
there
for
years,
we
couldn't
get
anyone
interested
in.
You
know
working
on
this
project
and
trying
to
get
all
this
now
and
the
truth
is
all
the
windows
are
gone.
L
It's
been
covered
over
with
stucco
all
of
all
the
nice
shingles
are
me.
The
original
things
on
the
back
are
still
there,
because,
honestly,
the
roofers
wouldn't
remove
them,
but
they're
all
rotten,
and
I
just
don't
think
there's
enough
of
the
building
to
save
as
a
historic
property.
L
I
think
it's
structurally,
it's
just
gone
too
far.
You
know
and
the
comment
that
there's
been
a
couple
of
interested
non-profits.
Well,
honestly,
yes,
and
they
both
declined.
So
again
we
tried
for
a
year
to
get
one
in
there.
I
just
don't
see
how
this
is
going
to
move
forward
and
I
spent
several
hundred
thousand
dollars
getting
it
to
where
it
is
today
without
the
constraints
of
historical
accuracy.
L
L
It
just
is
a
little
baffling
given
the
condition
given
how
much
is
lost.
I
just
I
just
don't
see
it
as
an
architectural
feature,
I'm
a
little
I'm
a
little
stunned
at
the
whole
process.
Honestly,
there
has
not
been
very
good
communication
with
us
and
I
apologize
for
that.
L
That's
not
really
on
target,
but
the
building
has
been
deeply
modified,
deeply
changed
and
there's
very
little
left,
and
I
just
don't
honestly
see,
as
I
think
mentioned
in
my
attorney's
letter,
there's
just
not
that
much
left
to
call
historical,
and
I
assume,
you've
seen
reviewed.
That
letter
is
that
part
of
the
record.
L
All
right,
I
guess
really
that's
my
only
my
only
comment.
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
If
anyone
has
any
specific
questions,
I
can
answer.
Having
had
first-hand
practical
experience
on
almost
everything
that's
been
done
to
the
building
since
2006.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
J
C
J
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
very
much
appreciate
it,
and,
and
as
mr
poorer
mentioned
you,
you
do
have
my
letter
and
I
would
point
you
out
to
some
additional
contacts
outlining
some
of
the
loss
of
integrity.
J
As
mr
poor
noted
this,
this
nomination
is
against
his
very
strong
objections,
and
that
is,
as
he
has
described,
due
to
the
fact
that
this
building
no
longer
has
any
historic
integrity
and
any
integrity
is,
you
know,
really
related
to
the
subsequent,
we'll
call
it
vernacular.
I
think
that's
a
generous,
generous
term.
J
It's
really
just
a
hodgepodge
of
alterations
over
the
years
during
the
first
half
of
the
last
century,
the
loss
of
the
tower
the
loss
of
the
original
facade
was
pretty
damaging
to
the
original
period
of
significance
and
that,
when
that
occurred
at
stucco
resulted
in
a
loss
of
the
woodwork,
the
stonework
and
more
than
60
percent
of
the
windows.
M
J
Were
removed,
the
majority
of
the
inside
was
gutted,
several
of
the
walls
were
removed
and
the
roof
was
the
original
roof
was
removed.
So
what
you
have
left
over
the
last
100
plus
years
is
just
an
incoherent
hodgepodge
of
styles
and,
at
best
I'll
admit
it's
kind
of
a
cool
old
building,
but
there
is
no
longer
any
association
with
that
church
as
it
was
built
or
at
the
time
the
period
of
significance-
and
I
think
that
is
problematic,
and
I
think
for
that
reason
we
shouldn't
be
moving
forward.
J
There's
really
only
a
very
limited
outward
expression
of
an
institutional
use,
and
that
is
those
devil
doors
in
the
front.
Aside
from
that
I
mean
this
could
be
any
any
type
of
institutional
use,
and
but
for
those
doors
this
could
have
been
built
as
a
single-family,
home
or
large
residence.
So
well,
I
think
it's
important
to
take
that
into
consideration.
J
I'd
also
point
out
that
the
architects
reference,
sedgwick
and
kromit
both
undoubtedly
have
better
examples
that
have
retained
their
integrity
in
the
city
that
are
far
more
exemplary
of
their
work
and
some
of
which
are
actual
designated
landmarks
in
the
city.
I
would
also
point
out
that
any
association
with
the
elwell
family
is
well.
It
is
attenuated.
There
are
far
better
examples
of
development
that
is
associated
with
this
family.
J
I
think
they
even
have
a
park
named
after
them
in
the
city,
and
given
that
they've
developed
more
than
55
homes
in
the
city,
I
think
we
can
find
one
that
is
more
appropriate
to
designate
now.
If
you
read
through
the
comments,
the
public
comments
as
I
did,
then
you
would
know
that
this
is
not
about
this
historic
integrity.
This
is
not
about
preserving
the
church.
J
J
J
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
johnson.
You
have
a
question
for
the
property
owner.
G
I
did
my
question
was:
if
this
nomination
does
not
move
forward,
what
is
your
intent
to
do
with
the
building
and
property.
L
Well,
it
was
never
my
intent
to
see
the
building
torn
down.
I'm
going
to
address
briefly
the
the
tempest
that
initiated
all
this
from
the
individual
company
that
was
buying
the
building
from
me
in
the
past.
They
had
actually
told
me
initially
that
they
were
going
to
redevelop
the
property,
not
tear
it
down,
and
I
found
out
all
of
this
when
I
was
actually
overseas
on
a
twitter
feed,
so
my
intention
was
never
to
see
the
building
demolished.
L
I'm
actually
currently
talking
to
someone
as
cam
gordon
well
knows.
In
fact,
the
the
person
was
in
communication
with
cam
gordon
that
hardly
endorsed
the
project
that
we're
trying
to
move
forward
with.
Now
that
would
utilize
the
building
would
not
tear
it
down.
L
Would
yes,
in
fact,
need
to
redevelop
the
1909
addition
to
the
building,
but
the
sanctuary
would
remain
intact
and
available
as
public
space,
but
he's
told
me
if
the
historical
designation
goes
through
he's
out,
so
it
seems
a
perfect
solution
to
quote
cam
gordon.
This
is
an
ideal
solution.
L
I
don't
see
a
better
project
moving
forward,
it's
a
little
frustrating
that,
having
told
me
that
he
moves
forward
with
an
action
that
will
derail
the
project,
so
my
goal
is
to
preserve
the
building,
but
in
a
way
that
is
financially
viable
because
the
reality
is
a
theater
or
a
small
art
center
simply
cannot
generate
the
revenue
to
maintain
this
building,
I
mean
I
was
a
non-profit
and
I
couldn't
do
it
and
I'm
hoping
we
can
find
the
best
of
both
worlds
where
the
building
is
preserved.
L
It
generates
enough
income
to
justify
the
massive
cost
of
rehab
I
put
in
nearly
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
The
conservative
quotes.
I
have
to
get
it
up
to
public
use
were
600
additional
thousand
dollars.
It
might
be
as
much
as
an
additional
1.2
million
depending
on
the
use,
and
that's
not
talking
about
building
housing.
That's
talking
about
getting
the
building
structurally
sound
zoning
compliant
with
bathrooms
and
ada
accessibility
and
some
kind
of
a
parking
situation.
L
Now,
given
that
kind
of
money,
it's
very
difficult
to
come
up
with
a
potential
client
that
will
develop
the
building
in
such
a
way.
That
would
give
anything
to
public
space
so
having
a
project
that
actually
is
interested
in.
Preserving
the
sanctuary
for
public
use
just
seems
like
a
crazy
opportunity
to
pass,
and
so
my
goal
is
not
to
demolish
the
building
but
bluntly
the
reality
is
I
had
to
finance
this
entire
project
out
of
my
own
pocket,
I've
been
in
there
for
14
years
and
I'm
coming
up
on
65
years
old.
L
I
can
only
carry
this
load
so
long.
As
I
told
the
neighborhood,
I
would
give
them
two
years
to
try
and
find
some
type
of
arts
organization,
and
after
that
I
would
have
to
move
forward
with
what
was
right
for
my
personal
life,
so
no
goal
to
tear
the
building
down.
I
would
love
to
get
someone
in
there
that
would
utilize
the
building,
but
the
reality
is.
I
can't
sit
on
this
for
another
five
or
ten
years
until
magically
someone
comes
along.
L
C
We
will
take
the
list
of
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
who
may
be
in
queue
just
a
reminder,
I'll
be
limiting
everyone
to
two
minutes.
We
ask
that
each
speaker
provide
their
name
and
address
before
making
their
comments
when
you're
recognized,
please
press
star,
6
on
your
phone
and
then
wait
to
hear
a
recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
so
that
we
can
hear
you
and
the
first
person
on
the
list
is
larry
crawford.
N
Good
afternoon,
thanks
to
the
commission
for
listening
to
members
of
como
neighborhood,
and
also
a
thanks
to
council
member
gordon,
once
again,
it's
larry
crawford,
1055,
14th
avenue
southeast
in
como.
N
N
Even
the
informal
historical
study
that
the
como
neighbors
have
done
on
the
church
has
brought
out
just
how
central
it
is
to
minneapolis
social
history.
How
many
significant
trends,
events
and
personages
have
figured
in
the
in
the
history
of
the
church,
and
this
seems
to
make
it
clear
that
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
at
this
point
to
go
ahead
to
do
further
study
to
see
how
the
church
fits
into
the
history
of
minneapolis
and
into
the
identity
over
time
of
the
como
neighborhood.
N
It's
also
important
to
remember-
and
I'm
referring
here
to
cheryl
fong's
message
to
the
to
the
commission
coming
from
the
northwest
architectural
archives,
that
this
is
a
rather
unique
sedgwick
building,
certainly
he's
well
known
for
his
other
ones,
his
commercial
buildings,
but
as
an
early
example
of
his
churches.
N
This
is
about
the
only
chance
that
we're
going
to
have
to
preserve
one,
and
this
one
is
especially
important
and
central
for
to
consider
for
preservation
in
the
context
of
the
important
cohen
neighborhood
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
so
that
makes
it
also
stand
out
and
be
worthy
of
designation.
Finally,
one
other
comment.
H
N
B
N
C
C
H
Chair
commission
members,
thanks
for
listening
to
us
this
afternoon,
as
indicated
in
minneapolis
2040,
it's
very
important
that
public
interest
of
minneapolis
heritage
is
recognized
and
thanks
to
councilmember
gordon
for
the
nomination,
I'm
speaking
in
favor
of
the
nomination
for
myself
and
kind
of
on
behalf
of
a
group
called
concerned,
como
neighbors,
which
are
residents
and
other
others
interested
in
the
preservation.
H
Four
real,
quick
items
from
the
historic
perspective
I
want
to
highlight
the
cuomo
congregational
is
very
connected
to
the
history
of
komo
for
one
of
the
very
first
buildings
in
ll's,
first
edition
on
14th
avenue,
which
was
the
civic
and
community
center
of
como.
At
that
time,
the
original
wood
frame
tuttle
school
was
originally
next
door
to
the
church
and
was
eventually
rebuilt,
four
blocks
away
in
brick,
and
it
has
been
an
active
part
of
our
community
through
that
history
until
only
very
recently.
H
So
it's
a
lot
of
history
changes
in
minneapolis
and
the
growth
of
the
u
of
m,
and
I
have
personally
spent
almost
all
my
life
near
this
church,
watching
weddings,
funerals
and
other
events
take
place.
There
point
number
two:
this
was
a
community
meeting
space
for
a
lot
of
people.
We
know
that
many
famous
people
stepped
through
the
doors.
So
on
a
human
history
level
I
mean
names
such
as
elwell,
sanford
and
pillsbury
are
some.
H
H
It
is
tired,
it
needs
tlc,
but
we've
had
architects
and
engineers
over
the
years
have
looked
looked
at
it.
It
is
structurally
sound
to
be
restored
and
repurposed
and
was
the
point
of
an
architect
study
class
a
few
years
back
from
the?
U
of
m
just
reiterating
charles
sedgwick
is
an
important
architect
in
many
minneapolis.
Excuse
me.
H
I
do
want
to
say
briefly
that,
finally,
as
related
to
minneapolis
2040,
this
project
actually
supports
many
policies.
I
counted
13
of
them
touches
on
nine
goals
and
southeast
como
has
very
few
historic
buildings.
Left
we've
lost
too
many,
so
we
need
to
preserve
what
still
survives.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
Thank
you
so
much
for
speaking
this
afternoon,
cody
hearning
you're
the
next
on
the
list
press
star
six
and
wait
to
hear
that
recorded
message
and
be
sure
to
give
us
our
your
name
and
address.
M
Great
chair
sumberg
and
commission
members,
thank
you
for
having
me
to
give
public
comments
on
this
building.
My
name
is
cody
hernig,
I'm
a
graduate
student
at
the
university
of
minnesota,
also
a
board
member
at
the
southeast
como
improvement
association,
which
is
the
neighborhood
organization
in
which
this
church
falls.
Please.
I
just
wanted
to
note
my
support
for
this
designation
and
further
study,
as
well
as
our
organization
support.
Our
organization
support
was
detailed
in
a
letter
and
is
in
the
public
record
dated
march
12
2020..
M
There
have
been
multiple
demonstrated,
historical
figures
that
have
have
history
in
this
church
and
using
the
criteria
set
forward
in
599.230.
M
We
believe
that
the
property
meets
two
to
three
criteria
for
the
for
the
heritage
preservation
regulations.
This
church
was
a
valuable
social,
cultural
and
distinctive
part
of
this
neighborhood.
It's
a
beautiful
church.
It
has
a
rich
history
and
I
think
it
really
needs
to
be
preserved.
M
Finally,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
property
manager,
you
know
he
has
went
back
and
forth
on
whether
or
not
this
is
going
to
be
teared
down
or
preserved.
M
For
example,
we
had
a
meeting
with
with
his
potential
buyer.
Many
people
showed
up
to
that
sequia
meeting,
voicing
concerns
that
buyer
came
in
and
told
us
that
he
was
going
to
demolish
the
church
so
saying
that
they
have.
He
has
never
been
on
on
the
side
of
demolishing
the
church
is
just
not
correct
so
again,
they're
asking
for
support
an
affirmative
vote
for
this
further
study
in
this
designation.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
So
much
do
we
know
if
there's
anyone
else
on
the
line.
C
We've
already
moved
on
to
the
public
comment.
Can
I
check
to
see
if
there's
anyone
else
on
the
line,
absolutely.
C
I
think
there's
none
so
you've
already
spoken,
mr
poor,
and
I
appreciate
you
wanting
to
speak
again,
but
we
kind
of
have
to
follow
the
the
process
here.
So.
L
It's
unfortunate,
I
did
in
fact
have
no
knowledge
of
that
meeting.
I
was
not
informed
of
it
by
anyone
and
I
had
no
knowledge
of
the
paradigm,
so
I
just
I
don't
want
people
to
think
that
I'm
with
that,
I'm
with
that,
I'm
waffling
it's
simply.
I
was
never
informed
of
any
of
these
meetings
and
in
fact
I
was
out
of
the
country
for
the
one
they're
addressing
so
I.
C
C
D
Thank
you.
This
building
in
its
original
form,
looked
very
substantial
and,
and
I
think
would
have
been
a
good
candidate
to
designate
historic.
But,
yes,
we
have
seen
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes
to
it.
I
had
time
to
look
at
our
list
of
religious
buildings
that
have
been
designated.
I
don't
see
any
congregational
list
his
churches,
so
I
ended
up
doing
a
little
searching.
D
While
I
was
listening
to
the
testimony
there's
an
article
in
the
minnesota
history,
it's
about
congregationals
in
minneapolis,
from
1850
1890
by
paul
lucas,
and
it
mentions
some
of
the
important
there's
actually
another
building
in
the
southeast
area
called
plymouth
or
first
congregational,
which
is
the
kind
of
the
mother
church.
I
guess
the
1851
a
founding
church,
which
you
know
really
reflects
the
the
abolitionist
identity
of
saint
anthony
and
there's
also
plymouth
congregational,
which
is
down
in
downtown
those
two,
I
think,
have
a
stronger
case
to
be
designated.
D
G
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
respectfully
disagree
with
commissioner
steady.
I
I
think
I
acknowledge
that
the
the
architecture
is
not
original.
There's
been
obviously
some
renovations
done
over
the
years
that
are
clearly
well
documented
on
both
sides,
but
I
think
that
the
building
itself
it
it
does
contribute
to
the
the
neighborhood
it's
it's
original
to
the
neighborhood
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
developed
its
own
significance.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
johnson.
Anyone
else.
I
I'll
just
pop
in
here
I
would
say
that
I
sort
of
agree
johnson
just
said.
I
think
that
the
integrity
on
this
is
really
questionable
to
me.
I
can
see
a
lot
of
changes
that
have
been
made,
but
I'm
a
little
bit
more
interested
in
sort
of
that
that
community
aspect
of
it
and
sort
of
how
it
has
has
the
role
that
it
has
played
in
the
development
of
this
neighborhood.
So
yeah.
C
I
I
tend
to
agree:
I'm
curiou,
I
I
am
interested
in
learning
more
about
the
the
connection
to
the
community.
I
think
looking
at
this,
for
the
connection
to
sedgwick
is
going
to
be
tough,
even
if
cedric
has
been
connected
to
the
first
two
eras
of
construction.
C
There's
little
integrity
left
from
that,
but
I
I
don't
know
the
comparative
analysis
of
sedgwick's
other
church,
and
I
know
that
cheryl
fong's
letter
mentioned
once
mr
presbyterian.
Of
course,
I
don't
know
if
there
are
others.
I
think
that
would
be
a
tougher
case,
but
that
connection
to
the
community
seems
fairly
strong
anyone
else.
Or
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion.
G
I'll
go
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
nomination
of
the
como
avenue
congregation
church,
as
outlined
in
the
agenda.
A
A
G
D
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Howard
you're
welcome.
Okay.
Our
next
item
is
item
number
five
1609
university
avenue,
south
east
ward,
2;
the
phi
kappa
psi
edition
and
rehabilitation
feedback
on
the
initial
application.
The
staff
report
will
be
presented
by
rob
skelecki.
K
Thank
you.
I'm
rob
skelecki
city
planner
in
historic
preservation,
section
I'll,
be
giving
a
brief
presentation
on
a
proposed
edition
and
rehabilitation
project
located
at
1609
university
avenue
southeast
the
phi
kappa
psi
fraternity.
This
is
for
commissioner
feedback
and
comment,
but
the
project
representatives
are
present
and
wish
to
speak
on
this
as
well.
K
The
property
is
a
contributing
resource
in
the
university
of
minnesota
greek
letter
chapter
house,
historic
district.
The
building
is
a
two
and
a
half
story
frame:
fraternity,
building
that,
with
a
side,
gamble
roof.
It
was
completed
in
1907
by
master
architect,
william
kenyon,
and
it's
built
in
the
colonial
revival
style.
K
The
property
is
recognizable
by
its
characteristic
two-story
pedimented
porch
portico,
supported
by
corinthian
columns
at
the
front
elevation.
The
building
shows
a
history
of
alterations,
but
it
retains
its
colonial
revival.
Appearance
next
slide.
Please,
the
project
representatives
are
proposing
a
large
three-story
addition
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
an
accessible
entry
and
change
in
openings
at
the
west
elevation
removal
of
an
existing
egress
stair
at
the
east
elevation
and
repair
of
the
front
porch
and
portico.
K
Next
slide.
Please,
the
three-story
addition
is
proposed
to
remove
nearly
all
of
the
rear,
facade
and
roof
features.
Next
slide,
please,
as
shown
in
the
plans
and
renderings,
the
addition
is
proposed
to
include
two
projecting
two-story
bays
with
arch
parapets
at
the
rear
of
both
east
and
west
elevations
of
the
addition,
the
west
bay
on
the
second
and
third
stories
is
supported
by
posts
that
shelter
rear
entry.
K
I
know
that
the
project
representative
submitted
materials
as
well
to
view,
but
staff
is
requesting
commissioner
feedback
on
the
following
items
for
this
design.
The
proposed
massing
of
the
addition,
the
shape
and
massing
of
the
proposed
projecting
bays
deciding
material,
especially
the
elevation
shingles
that
were
mentioned
for
the
edition,
proposed
addition
fenestration
and
window
profiles,
as
well
as
the
alteration
of
two
openings
that
are
seen
here
on
the
historic
west
elevation
for
the
placement
of
an
accessible
entry,
instead
of
incorporating
it
into
the
rear,
as
outlined
in
the
guidelines
for
this
district.
A
A
E
This
addition
is,
the
existing
house
totals
nine
thousand
square
feet.
The
proposal
to
demolish
is
to
demolish
the
rear
portion
of
the
building,
which
is
about
1100
square
feet.
That
was
a
was
originally
a
housekeeper's
edition,
and
so
the
plan
is
to
demolish
that
edition
and
to
construct
a
new
7
000
square
foot
addition
now
those
square
footages
I
gave
you
include
basement
area,
the
total
area
of
the
building,
not
including
the
basement
with
the
existing
fraternity
and
the
addition
would
be
approximately
twelve
thousand
four
hundred
square
feet.
E
The
plan,
as
mentioned,
is
to
restore
the
outside
of
the
building
re-point,
the
brick
replace
the
vinyl
windows,
which
were
installed
a
number
of
decades
ago
and
restore
the
architectural
detailing
on
the
building.
E
The
bay
windows
shown
on
the
east
and
west
elevations
of
the
building
provide
needed
bedroom
space
and
they
address
the
city.
Zoning
requirement
that
asks
that
blank
uninterrupted
wall
spaces
over
for
25
feet
in
length
be
avoided.
E
E
E
Hpc,
I
I
guess
I'd
like
to
just
reinforce
the
point
that
it's
really
essential
for
the
fraternity
in
order
to.
E
Make
this
project
a
reality
to
create
the
living
space
that
they
need?
They
find
themselves
in
a
situation
now,
where
the
housing
that
they
provide
is
just
not
competitive
in
today's
market
and
they
need
to
make
themselves
financially
viable
and
to
so
that
they're
successful
in
doing
preserving
the
building,
and
you
know
keeping
up
their
fraternity
going
into
the
future.
A
I
guess
I
have
one
question
understanding
that
things
are
a
bit
crazy
and
different
in
the
world.
Right
now
I
noticed
the
rooms
are
quite
small
that
you're
proposing,
and
I
guess
I
wondered
if
you
foresaw
that
there
need
to
be
any
adjustments
to
the
design
based
on
covered
precautions.
I
realized
that
this
is
probably
looking
at
construction
a
year
or
so
out,
but
just
wondering
if,
if
there's
been
any
thought
on
whether
there
might
be
design
implications
in
the
future.
For
that.
E
E
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
realize
it's
a
little
outside
of
our
typical
line
of
questioning.
Are
there
any
other
questions.
A
C
O
O
Just
a
bit
behind
from
an
amenity
and
a
niceness
standpoint,
we
also
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
building.
We
know
that
it
definitely
needs
to
be
structurally
there's
some
structural
issues,
tuck
pointing
extensive
tuck,
pointing
which
we
would
need
to
do
and
then
more
acutely
inside.
O
There
are
some
structural
issues
to
to
take
care
of
as
well,
but
really
I've
been
heading
up
kind
of
the,
not
the
day-to-day
maintenance,
but
just
the
the
maintenance
in
general
of
the
building
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
it's
been
a
continuation
of
pretty
much
the
same
ideas
when
I
was
in
the
house
is
doing
smaller
projects
that
when
we
talk
about
buying
the
building
time,
the
the
time
that
we're
buying
the
building
is
just
maybe
a
couple
of
years
at
a
time
and
we're
starting
to
see
the
effects
of
you
know
of
the
last
20
plus
years
of
smaller
things
being
done
on
a
on
a
very
tight
budget,
and
we
just
we're
starting
to
see
the
cumulative
effect
of
that.
O
And
you
know
this
this
project.
The
way
that
we
have
designed
this
now
and.
A
O
O
This
is
how
this
building
gets
preserved
for
another
113
years,
and
it
will
need
something
this
significant
to
to
get
there,
because
the
you
know
the
metaphoric
bubble,
gum
and
duct
tape
is
is
only
can
only
do
so
much
if
we
want
this
building
around
for
another
100
years.
I
I
truly
believe
this
is.
This
is
our
best.
O
This
is
our
best
shot
to
to
do
this
and
working
with
other
alumni.
You
know
like
finding
the
finding
some
of
the
old
woodwork
and
that
a
member
had
actually
held
on
to
so
like
some
of
these
little
components,
starting
to
come
back
together.
It's
exciting
to
think
about
not
only
preserving
the
building
but
actually
getting
it
to
look
more
like
it
looked
in
1907
I
mean
that's.
I've
seen.
O
From
them-
and
I
mean
to
make
it
to
get
back
to
that
to
that
point-
is-
is
very
exciting
if
we
were,
if
we
were
able
to
do
that
so,
but
to
get
there,
you
know
kind
of
that
triple
bottom
line
approach.
We
do
need
to
evaluate
the
economics
of
it
as
well
so
again
as
as
designed
currently
as
presenting.
A
I
don't
see
any
at
the
moment,
but
questions
may
come
up
as
we
discuss
so
as
this
is
a
discussion
item
specifically
looking
for
feedback
on
the
proposed
design.
I'm
gonna
open
this
to
commissioner
discussion.
Commissioner
johnson.
G
Hi
sorry
coming
in
late,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
the
which
speaker
mentioned,
that
there
is
still
not
there.
They
still
need
to
seek
funding
for
this.
Is
that
so
we're
looking
at
a
design,
that's
not
fully
funded.
Is
that
what
I'm
is
that?
What
I'm
hearing.
E
E
Is
to
show
this
to
get
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
from
the
hpc
and
we're
also
going
through
site
plan
review
and
from
what
I
understand
talking
to
others
at
the
city
concerning
the
zoning
and
so
forth.
E
A
Thank
you.
I
have
a
quick
materials
question,
I'm
not
sure
which
speaker
would
be
best
to
answer
this.
We
did
see
the
sample
of
the
brick.
I
think
it's
called
a
black
diamond.
It's
a
summit
company,
brick,
I'm
assuming
that
that's
the
proposed
brick
for
the
edition,
and
it
looks
like
it's
more
of
like
a
warm
gray
tone
or
a
brown
and
I'm
curious
based
off
the
the
renderings
we
received.
A
E
But
on
the
sketchup
model
it
was
just
it
simplified
things
a
lot
a
lot
to
not
have
to
color
the
brick
for
the
addition
differently,
but
the
brick
that
you
have
there
is
what
we
intend
to
use
for
the
addition,
and
it
is
slightly
different
than
the
existing
brick
and
that's
what
the
secretary
of
interior
standards
call
for
that
there
be
some
differentiation
between
the
brick.
A
E
I
think
the
intention
is
to
not
make
those
a
bright
color
but
to
have
them
blend
in
with
the
brick.
That's
on
the
edition
and
the
gray.
That
may
not
be
precisely
the
color
that's
selected
for
those
shingles,
but
it
lets.
You
know
that
that's
kind
of
the
general
direction
we're
planning
to
take
with
the
shingles
that
it
we
don't
want.
We
want
them
to
be.
You
know
subtle,
not
not
too
bold.
Okay,
thank.
A
Applicants-
I
don't
see
any
at
the
moment.
I
think
I'm
just
going
to
start
going
through
the
questions
we
received
from
staff
question
by
question.
Well,
maybe
before
I
start
that
I
do
want
to
say
that
I'm
really
excited
to
see
this
project
moving
forward.
I
understand
that
the
you
know
adapting
the
existing
greek
fraternity
and
sorority
buildings
to
keep
allowing
them
to
be
used
is
going
to
be
an
important
step,
and
I
will
not
be
surprised
if
we
see
more
and
more
of
these
in
the
coming
years
come
before
us.
A
The
first
question
is
about
the
proposed
massing
of
the
edition
commissioners.
Does
anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
the
proposed
massing,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
it's
in
the
rear
of
the
building
and
and
recessed?
I
think
the
fact
that
it
has
dropped
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
roof
and
that
the
new
elevator
run
is
lower
than
the
chimney
by
a
little
bit
is
is
a
beneficial
aspect
of
the
design
I
like
seeing
it
recessed
like
that.
I
think.
A
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
what
you've
you've
said:
share
sunburg.
I
do
it's
not
recessed
all
that
much
so
I
don't
know
what
the
exact
dimension
is.
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
it
come
in
a
little
bit
because,
even
though
it
is
kind
of
recessed
brought
in,
then
you
have
the
projecting
windows
that
push
back
out.
C
So
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
that
come
back
in
just
a
little
bit,
but
overall
I
think
it
it
it's
not
bad
for
the
back
of
a
building
and,
like
you
said,
there's
going
to
be
there's
the
buildings
on
the
other
side.
I
think
that,
because
of
the
way
the
rendering
was
done
so
it
was
all
one
color
of
brick.
It
kept
kind
of
messing
with
my
mind
as
I
was
looking
at
the
renderings,
and
I
do
think
that
the
darker
tone
brick
will
help
that
recess
a
little
bit
more.
C
So
that
may
be
just
a
trick
of
the
eye
that
is
happening
when
I'm
looking
at
those
sketchup
models.
A
A
I
agree
that
it's
not
stepping
back
very
far,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
drawings
to
see
if
I
can
find
an
exact
measurement.
I
guess
that
doesn't
concern
me
overly
much
and
the
bay
windows
stepping
out.
I
don't
know
we.
We
have
a
lot
of
stepped-out
bay
windows
in
our
historic
buildings,
so
I
guess
making
a
reference
like
that.
A
Doesn't
really
bother
me,
but
I
understand
what
you
mean,
because
those
will
step
out
then
even
further
than
the
existing
building,
especially
the
sort
of
covered
bicycle
area
in
the
back
any
other
commissioners,
with
thoughts
on
the.
A
A
No,
nobody,
nobody
on
massing,
okay,
the
proposed
projecting
base,
which
we
just
sort
of
started
discussing,
I
thought
the
location
of
the
bays
made
sense
on
the
massing
and
they're
generally
towards
the
back
of
the
addition.
The
shape
of
the
bay
is
with
the
arched
tops.
A
I
guess
I
found
personally
a
little
disjointed
just
because
of
the
shape
of
the
existing
roof.
I
wondered
if
something
a
little
bit
more
angular,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
it.
You
know
exactly
mimic
the
existing
roof
line
and
we
don't
want
to
mimic
the
historic
look,
but
I
guess
I
wondered
if
a
triangular
pediment
or
something
on
the
top
would
make
a
little
bit
more
sense,
the
the
rounded
curved
top
just
I
don't
know
it
kind
of
seemed
to
clash.
A
A
C
I
guess
I
can
speak
again.
I
could.
I
could
type
in
my
I'm
going
to
speak
okay
since
everyone's
so
quiet
yeah,
I,
the
the
curve,
is
a
little
jarring.
I
do
like
the
way
it
counter
balances
with
the
pit
on
the
set
of
the
elevator
core
in
the
back,
so
yeah
that
differentiated
but
compatible
is
always
a
challenge.
Isn't
it
I
I
don't.
C
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
a
gambril
roof
on
these,
but
maybe
something
more
straight
might
work,
but
it's
not
something
that
I
would
put
my
neck
out
on
the
line
for
on
this
one.
I
think
they're
they're,
pretty
sensitively
designed
they're
toward
the
back.
The
building
toward
the
back
of
the
lot.
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
I
would
be.
I
wouldn't
consider
it
a
deal
breaker
in
my
mind
either
it's
it
struck
me
as
a
little
funny,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
a
squared
off
or
a
triangular,
but
yeah,
not
a
gamble.
I
that
would
be
too
mimicking.
A
A
I
guess
on
the
one
side,
I'm
looking
back
and
forth
on
the
renderings,
it
looks
like
the
shingles
are
just
the
top
story
and
on
the
other
side,
they're
the
top
two
stories,
and
that
strikes
me
as
a
bit
odd
for
the
projecting
base.
Just
because
then,
when
you're
looking
at
the
back,
it's
quite
asymmetrical
on
a
fairly
symmetrically
designed
building.
E
On
the
can
I
just
kind.
A
E
A
A
Oh
yeah,
I
think,
if
it
dropped
on
both
sides
of
the
base,
that
would
make
more
sense
to
have
the
shingles
there.
Any
other
thoughts
from
commissioners
on
the
bay
windows.
A
Doesn't
seem
like
anybody.
Okay,
next
question
was
on
the
siding
materials,
especially
the
shingles.
I
think
we've
covered
this
a
little
bit.
I
guess
in
my
mind,
especially
if
now
we're
thinking
the
shingles
will
cover
the
bay
window,
sections
that
seems
fairly
appropriate
to
me.
A
It
wasn't
unusual
for
the
the
projecting
bays
on
historic
buildings
to
be
a
slightly
different
material,
for
probably
the
same
reason
that
we
would
do
it
now
that
you'd
want
a
slightly
lighter
construction
material
on
those
projecting
areas,
and
so
I
guess
to
me
as
I
and
it
sounds
like
they'd-
be
kind
of
a
similar
tone
to
the
the
grayer
brick,
and
so
that
seems
like
like
it
would.
A
I
don't
know,
aesthetically
work
in
my
mind
and
I
I
think
it
meets
our
guidelines,
I'm
scrolling
to
that
part
of
the
application.
I'm
trying
to
remember.
M
E
Oh,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
here
for
a
second,
the
back
edition,
the
housekeepers
edition.
H
A
E
A
And
so
you're
thinking
that
they
would
be
sort
of
like
a
hardy
board,
shingle
correct
right.
Okay,
I
don't
know
if
any
commissioners
have
thoughts
on
that.
I
know
we've
seen
hardy
shingles
on
other
projects.
A
Since
this
is
a
new
addition,
it
seems
appropriate
to
me
that
they
could
be
a
hearty
shingle
versus
requiring
a
wood
or
something
like
that
since
they're
not
existing
we're
not
replacing
existing.
I
guess
I
don't.
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
that.
Yeah.
C
Okay,
good,
commissioner
howard,
I
don't
see
any
issues
with
that
either.
You
know
we
are
differentiated
the
it's
a
new
addition
on
the
back
of
the
building.
I
did
notice
that
in
talk
about
the
materiality,
the
the
new
bricks
appear
to
be
a
much
smaller
size
than
the
original.
Keep
in
mind
that
differentiation
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
differentiate
every
aspect,
so
you
could
have
bricks
that
are
the
same
size
as
the
the
historic
bricks
and
just
in
a
different
color
that
is
differentiated
and
compatible,
and
it
might
not
be
so
jarring.
C
E
Okay,
let
me
just
give
you
a
little
info
on
that.
The
band
is
a
precast
band
on
top
of
the
brick
that
horizontal
band
and
that
lines
up
with
eve
line
of
the
gambrill
roof.
H
E
So
that's
why
that's
there
and
then
on
these.
C
E
And
then
on
the
brick,
the
and
I
dealt
with
a
brick
sale,
a
couple
brick
sales
reps
extensively
on
this
trying
to
get
a
brick
that
seemed
you
know
appropriate
for
the
project
and
what
they
told
me
was
brick
used
to
come
in
all
different
sizes,
a
lot
more
sizes
than
you
have
now,
and
we
came
up
with
a
brick.
That's
as
close
in
size
to
the
existing
brick
as
we
could
come.
C
Right,
yeah
and
what
you
don't
want
to
do
is
then
have
some
sort
of
a
jarring
connection
between
the
two
materials,
and
so
that's
the
that's
the
design
detail
that
we
don't
need
to
get
into
the
details
on
this
this
conversation.
But
when
you
have
the
different
sizes
of
bricks,
you
just
need
to
look
at
how
those
coursings
talk
to
each
other.
Then.
A
Barbara,
I
had
the
same
thought
about
the
size
of
the
bricks,
because
I
was
thinking:
oh
no,
they
probably
have
to
get
standard
because
they
probably
can't
match
the
size.
This
is
a
problem
we
run
into
a
lot
too.
A
Means
the
standards
that
the
existing
building
has
sort
of
coining
at
the
corner,
and
I
guess
I
am
wondering
now
that
I'm
staring
at
it
more.
Are
you
removing
it
so
that
you're,
removing
the
coining
part
and
then.
E
E
Showing
the
coining
on
the
addition,
but
it
stays
on
the.
E
That
back
corner
we're
back.
I
I
believe
it's
about.
E
The
corner?
Okay,
so
you
do
see
at
least
the
narrow
portion
of
the
narrower
portion
of
the
coining
on
the
building.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
it'll
probably
be
a
little
tricky,
but
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
you'll
figure
out
a
nice
detail
to
do
it.
I
just
appreciate
that
you're
holding
the
addition
back
so
that
you're
keeping
that
corner,
because
I
think
that'll
make
it
look
really
nice
to
have
that
existing
detail.
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
anybody
else
for
that
proposed
edition
administration
and
window
profiles.
A
I
really
appreciated
that
part
of
what
you're
hoping
to
do
with
this
project
is
repair
the
existing
windows
and
bring
them
back
to
a
more
historic
aesthetic
on
the
existing
building,
and
then
it
looks
like
you're
trying
to
differentiate
the
edition
windows
to
some
degree,
which
I
think
is
a
good
direction
to
go.
The
edition
ones
look
to
be
like
a
slightly
more
simple
design,
which
I
think
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I'm
wondering
if
anybody
else
had
specific
thoughts
on
the
windows.
H
C
I'm
a
little
more
confused
by
the
windows
shersenberg,
I'm
seeing
I'm
concerned
about
the
the
ones
on
the
east
elevation
and
the
north
elevation,
which
are
just
you
know,
they're
much
more
simplified
but
they're
not
to
the
same
scale
as
the
historic
building
and
yet
the
ones
on
the
west
elevation,
where
they're,
showing
six
over
ones,
actually
are
kind
of
like
the
ones
on
the
the
original
building.
So
I'm
I'm
getting
kind
of
two
different
stories
through
the
the
window
designs
here,
and
I
would
like
to
see
something
simple.
C
I
think
you
know
one
over
ones
is-
is
appropriate.
It's
these
larger
windows
that
are
of
completely
different
scale
that
are
just
confusing
to
me.
So
there
seems
to
be
a
mix
on
the
the
addition.
E
Can
I
just
respond
to
that
there?
Yes,
there
is
a
mix,
and
one
of
the
situations
we
were
trying
to
deal
with
here
was
on
the
first
floor.
There
are
all
these
common
areas
that
flow
together,
the
original
house
and
its
dining
area,
and
that
flows
into
the
new
dining
common
area.
So
we
wanted
to
maintain
the
same
windows
in
those
spaces.
On
the
first
floor
that
flow
together
and
then
have
something
a
little.
M
E
C
C
Yeah,
keep
in
mind
that
when,
when
we're
looking
at
the
the
guidelines,
we're
looking
at
it
from
the
outside
of
the
building
so
well,
I
appreciate
the
the
need
to
you
know,
make
sure
your
interior
spaces
flow.
Well,
I'm
looking
for
how
the
edition
fits
in
with
the
original
from
the
outside,
and
so
I
would
be
looking
at
just
simple
one
over
ones:
double
hungs,
or
something
like
that.
If
you
want
to
simplify
and
something
of
a
similar
scale
or
proportion,
things
like
that,
that
way,
you've
differentiated
from
the
original
but
you're
compatible.
C
What
I'm
concerned
about
it
right
now
is
that
this
fixed
window
over
an
awning
isn't
really
compatible.
Now
it's
toward
the
back
of
the
building.
It's
not
you
know
as
big
of
an
issue
as
if
it
was
something
right
up
front,
but
it's
still
very
jarring,
at
least
from
my
perspective.
Looking
at
the
elevations
right.
E
And
and
we'll
look
at
that
with
the
notion
that
we
want
to
simplify
it
a
little
from
the
original
on
the
edition.
A
Yeah,
I
agree
that
a
simplification
is
probably
would
be
a
little
bit
more
compatible
and
looks
like
on
the
west
side
that
you
know
they
are
a
little
bit
more
in
scale,
so
it
might
be
simply
just
not
doing
the
divided
upper.
I
realized
the
point
about
the
interior
space
that,
yes
it
it
would.
You
know
you'd
have
to
make
sure
it
didn't
look
too
jarring
from
the
interior,
but
I
think
commissioner
howard's
correct
that
the
divided
light
does
give
a
little
bit
of
a
false
sense
of
what's
happening
there.
A
So
I
could
definitely
see
adjusting
that.
I
think
at
least
to
me
the
square
windows,
even
though
those
are
a
different
shape,
seem
to
be
a
sort
of
compatible
size.
So
I
think
if
those
could
just
become
a
single
fixed
instead
of
a
divided
light
on
the
addition,
I
I
think
that
might
help
with
those
ones
and
if
the
awning
ones
could
become
double
hung.
A
I
realized
that
the
the
awning
function
might
be
it's
something
you're
looking
to
for
safety
issues
and
stuff,
but
if
it
could
come
to
at
least
look
more
like
a
divided
light
or
not
to
violate
sorry,
a
double
hung.
That
would
be
helpful.
A
Commissioners.
Are
there
any
other
thoughts
on
the
fenestration.
D
I
Jump
in
for
a
new
voice,
at
least
just
also
agreeing
with
what
you
guys
are
have
said
here.
I
think
that
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
about
the
variations
of
windows
and
so
looking
to
simplify
that
and
not
get
too
matchy
to
the
windows
on
the
existing
part
would
would
be
something
I'd
like
to
see.
I
E
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
bjorn.
Maybe
I
will
then
move
us
to
the
last
question
on
the
list,
which
is
about
the
alteration
of
the
two
openings
on
the
west
elevation,
where
the
accessible
entry
is
sort
of
the
doors
flip-flopping
with
the
window,
rather
than
placing
the
accessible
entry
at
the
rear.
A
This
is
like
a
difficult
one
in
my
mind,
because
I,
like
the
way
it's
placed
close
enough
to
the
front
of
the
building
such
that
somebody
approaching
the
building,
can
can
like
look
down
the
side
and
see
that
that's
where
the
ramp
is
because
I
think
it
can
be
really
frustrating
when
you
get
to
a
building
if
you're
looking
for
the
ramp-
and
you
can't
even
figure
out
where
it
is
so,
I
guess
I
kind
of
appreciated
the
side
because
it
seemed
like
it
was
recessed,
but
still
prominent
enough.
A
That
people
would
be
able
to
locate
that
accessible
entry.
But
I
I
realize
it
maybe
deviates
slightly
from
what
we
normally
like
to
see,
and
I
guess
that
the
the
switching
the
window
with
the
door.
A
Maybe
it's
not
ideal,
but
it
didn't
really
bother
me
and
it
sounds
like
the
decision
was
in
order
to
meet
head
height
in
the
space
that
you
enter
into,
which
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
Oh.
E
Right
it
not
only
does
that,
but
where
the
door
is
right
now
it
enters
into
a
very
tight
little
entry
space
underneath
the
stair
landing
above
and
it
just
doesn't
meet
so
small
that
you
couldn't
use
it
as
a
legal
entrance
and
also
removing
that
door
allows
us
to
modify
the
stair
going
down
into
the
basement.
So
we
correct
a
problem
with
headroom
there.
E
A
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
so
because
of
that
that
it
makes
sense
to
me
that
you're
moving
it
over.
I
know
that's
one
of
the
quirks.
We
end
up
with
historic
buildings
when,
when
code
wasn't
quite
the
same
as
it
is
today,
I
guess
I
am
wondering
so
right
now
you
can
access
the
ramp
from
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
then
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
tie
into
the
front
porch
so
that
people
coming
up
the
front
stairs
can
get
around.
E
The
side
that's
one
of
the
questions
we
have
here
and
since
we
have
three
entrances
to
the
building
and
the
fraternity
is
trying
to
limit
the
number
of
people
that
come
through
that
front
entry.
So
it's
not
just
get.
It
doesn't
get
everyday
use
and
abuse
and
they'd
like
to
channel
the
traffic
through
that
side,
mud
room
on
the
west
side
or
from
the
back
parking
area
and
for
accessibility,
we're
supposed
to
have
60
of
the
entrances
accessible,
which
means
two
out
of
the
three.
A
A
I'm
wondering
if
anybody
else
has
thoughts
on
that.
It
didn't
really
bother
me
that
it
rapped
andrea
burke
did.
B
That
is
a
very
special
code
exemption
and
I
would
not
hinge
your
decision
on
that
regarding.
I
think
you
can
offer
comments,
but
I
don't
think
we
have.
I
mean
I,
I
respect
sylvia's
comment
on
that,
but
I
I
know
when
I
have
used
that
provision
for
tax
credit
projects
in
the
past.
It
is
very,
very
rare
that
the
code
will
allow
something
such
to
that
degree.
So,
just
just
as
a
heads
up
on
that.
A
Yeah,
I
would
think
that
it
would
be
that
that
would
be
a
hard
swing
for
what
I've
seen
with
with
the
accessibility
code.
So
I
guess
I
would
be
fine
with
it
wrapping
around
to
the
front
so
that
both
of
those
doors
would
be
considered.
A
E
A
B
To
let
you
guys
know,
we
generally
don't
allow
those
for
any
building
in
any
district
to
have
it
go
around
to
the
front.
That
would
be
something
very
unique
that
we
don't
generally
allow.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind,
as
you
are
evaluating
this
design
at
the
conceptual
stage.
A
B
I
will
defer
to
the
planner
on
this
rob
and
I
think
at
the
time
and
rob
please
jump
in
if
I
get
this
wrong,
I
think
there
was
more
requests
me
to
try
to
accommodate
the
ramp
situation
towards
the
rear
without
having
to
alter
that
particular
part
of
the
historic
building
which
is
on
the
front
side,
and
I
know
I
respect
your
comments
on
that,
madam
chair,
but
that's
I
will
I'll
have
to
defer
to
rob
on
that,
but
from
my
knowledge
of
the
project,
that
is,
that
is
staff's
direction.
On
that.
K
That's
correct
and
that's
per
the
district
guidelines
as
well
for
accessible
entries
where
possible
that
they
be
incorporated
into
the
rear
and
where
there's
a
situation
where
you're
adding
a
rear.
We
were
curious
if
the
applicant
would
be
able
to
accommodate
that
in
the
rear,
with
the
design.
E
K
A
Yeah,
I
guess
that
it
puts
it
sort
of
like
in
a
catch-22
right
like
if,
if
two
of
the
three
entrances
need
to
be
accessible-
and
we
don't
want
them
to
link
to
the
front
that
gets
just
a
little
tricky,
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
look
at
that
rear
one
accessing-
and
I
don't
know
because
with
the
egress
stair,
I
understand
that
you're
trying
to
meet
fire
safety
requirements,
probably
if
there
is
some
way
to
work
a
second
accessible
entrance
into
that
rear.
A
But
I
I
guess
I
don't
see
a
way
to
not
have
an
accessible
line
through
the
mudroom,
just
thinking
through
the
design.
Just
knowing
that
you
need
two
of
them
to
be
accessible
right.
E
We
can
look
at
the
idea
of
making
that
rear
entry
accessible
as
well.
A
Okay,
I
guess
we'll
be
interested
to
see
what
you
what
you
come
up
with
before
when
you
come
back
to
us
with
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
because
I
think
that
is
going
to
be
a
tricky
one.
With
this
building.
C
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see
what
might
be
able
to
be
done
in
the
in
the
rear
before
saying
that
switching
the
door
in
the
window
is
is
okay,
okay,
I'm
I'm
a
very
pro
accessibility
advocate
when
it
comes
to
preservation
and
I
often
think
preservationists
don't
go
far
enough
to
make
buildings
accessible,
but
we
we
do
have
guidelines
that
we
have
to
follow,
and
so
I
would
really
look
at
at
what
you
can
do
at
the
rear
so
that
you
can
meet
the
guidelines
and
then,
when
you
come
back
before
us
for
the
actual
c
of
a
tell
us
what
you
looked
at,
why
it
worked
or
why
it
didn't
work.
A
A
Be
helpful
because,
if
we're
going
to
contradict
the
guidelines,
we
need
to
create
a
statement
explaining
why
we
are
so,
if
you
can
show
us,
even
if
they're,
just
like
the
little
sketches
of
what
you
tried
to
work
out,
that
didn't
work
for
the
designs
that
we
can
justify,
not
following
the
guidelines.
If
that
ends
up
being
what
it
looks
like
needs
to
happen
to
meet
the
accessibility
so
right.
A
Thanks,
commissioner,
is
any
other
comments
on
the
proposed.
A
A
I
don't
see
any
thank
you
for
coming
with
this
discussion
item.
I
think
we
really
appreciate
it
when
you're
willing
to
make
time
to
talk
to
us,
while
the
design
is
still
somewhat
early
in
the
process,
and
I
think
it
makes
it
a
lot
easier
when
you
come
back
with
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
because
they'll
all
remember
this
conversation
and
and
know
what
you
were
trying
to
work
on.
A
A
Is
a
discussion
item,
so
I
will
conclude
our
discussion
items
then
and
check
to
see
if
commissioners
or
staff
have
any
announcements
or
other
commission
business
to
bring
to
our
attention
today.
B
Yeah,
I
just
have
a
few
announcements
to
make
just
as
a
reminder
as
I've
made
probably
for
a
while
commissioner
appointment
deadlines
are.
Are
the
deadline
is
on
november
1st?
So
if
there's
anybody
else,
you
are
interested
in
reaching
out
to
to
help
fill
the
spots
on
the
commission.
That
is
the
deadline.
B
We
also
something
I'll
start
doing
here.
A
little
bit
more
regularly
is
let
you
guys
know
when
we
received
appeals
for
previous
projects.
B
We
received
one
appeal
for
the
project
heard
on
the
13th
for
47.36
dupont,
avenue
south
the
window
replacement
project,
so
that
will
go
to
the
bus
committee
next
month
and
we
also
had
a
as
to
the
commissioners
know
we
had
a
community
meeting
last
night
for
the
lynhurst
historic
district
design
guidelines,
a
virtual
kickoff
meeting,
where
we
went
over.
What
design
guidelines
are
the
timeline,
the
review
and
adoption
process?
B
What
types
of
things
are
included
in
design
guidelines
and
we
had
a
really
good
question
and
answer
session,
where
a
lot
of
the
residents
had
a
lot
of
really
good
questions
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
design
guidelines
are
and
what
some
of
their
priorities
are
for
these
particular
guidelines.
B
Just
as
an
update
to
the
commission,
we
in
concert
with
the
council
member
for
that
award
of
ward
13,
are
trying
to
establish
a
small
work
group
to
assist
in
the
development
of
the
guidelines,
largely
for
reviews
of
drafts
and
for
bouncing
ideas
off
of
instead
of
the
full
66
property
owners,
which
might
make
a
little
bit
more
unwieldy,
but
are
also
hoping
to
engage
the
property
owners
along
the
way
in
about
two
additional
meetings
before
the
guidelines
come
before
the
commission
for
final
adoption.
So
that
is
my
update
on
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
andrea.
As
somebody
who
sat
in
on
the
meeting
last
night,
I
was
really
excited
to
see
how
many
homeowners
attended
to
talk
about
the
guidelines.
It
seemed
really
promising,
and
so,
if
you,
if
a
commissioner,
does
want
to
review
those
draft
guidelines,
please
let
andrea
know
you're
interested
in
doing
that.
I
think
it
helps
to
have
a
few
pairs
of
eyes
on
these
draft
guidelines.