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A
B
Good
afternoon
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission
audit
subcommittee
for
october
25th
2021,
I'm
robert
jackson,
pino.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
subcommittee
as
we
begin
I'll
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021
due
to
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
B
This
meeting
will
be
recorded
and
posted
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
can
verify
a
quorum
for
this
meeting.
C
B
B
Let
the
record
reflect
we
have
a
quorum
next,
we'll
proceed
to
the
adoption
of
our
agenda
and
the
acceptance
of
meeting
minutes
for
september
27th
2021.
A
copy
of
the
agenda
has
been
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
lims.minneapolismn.gov.
B
All
right
so
moved.
D
D
B
All
right,
let
it
reflect
that
both
the
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
as
well
as
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
for
september
2021's
meeting
are
accepted.
Next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
will
limit
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
with
that
are
there
any
members
of
the
community
on
the
line
who
wish
to
address
the
commission.
B
B
E
Yep,
so
I'm
also
joined
by
a
colleague
of
mine
ryan
who's,
an
analyst
with
opcr,
so
we
set
about
getting
the
the
data
that
will
form
the
basis
of
the
project
we
pulled.
The
I
say
we
oriented
most
of
this
just
put
credit
where
credit
is
due.
We
we
pulled
the
data
for
the
no
knock
warrants,
comparing
the
first
quarter
of
2020.
E
Sorry
knock
and
no
knock,
so
we've
got
warrants
a
warrant
list
for
the
first
quarter
of
2020
and
then
comparing
it
with
the
first
quarter
of
2021.
Again,
comparing
knock
and
no
knock.
E
I
can
share
the
list.
Some
of
the
information
is
redacted
because
it
contains
public
is
that
private
information
sure.
B
E
E
A
E
Think
it
could
still
be
made
out
so
the
again
the
base
of
the
warrant,
the
type
of
case
it
is
injuries,
evidence
recovered.
You
know
the
same
categories,
we're
looking
at
before
the
number
of
warrants
went
down
significantly
in
2021,
but
that
is
the
the
pool
of
data
where
we're
looking
at
here.
E
Stop
sharing
that
okay,
so
ryan.
If
you
want
to
speak
to
some
of
the
the
patterns
that
we
that
we
noticed
in
the
data
yeah,
the
the
way
in
which
no
knocks
are
done
and
not
warrants
are
done,
is
there
there
are
some
interesting
aspects,
I
think
will
be
flashed
out
when
we
get
into
writing
a
report.
F
Yeah,
I
would,
I
would
echo
that
what
we
noticed
was
quite
a
bit
of
consistency
in
with
regard
to
injuries
both
to
officers
and
civilians
in
sort
of
both
both
scenario,
unannounced
and
announced
injuries
were
very
rare,
almost
non-existent,
which
was
an
interesting.
This
was
an
interesting
find
typically
as
well
in
both
unannounced
and
announced
warrants.
We
found
that
evidence
is
typically
recovered.
That
is
pertinent
to
the
warrant.
F
One
thing
that
I
think
we
we
want
to
do
is
for
digging
into
is
taking
a
look
at
certain
ones
where
we
weren't
able
to
within
the
time
frame
that
we
had
locate
the
search
warrant
in
the
data
that
we
were
looking
in.
So
we
kind
of
want
to
get
a
balance
to
that
picture
as
we
continue
looking
in,
but
I
think
I
think
chris
covered
it
pretty.
E
Well,
there
was
also
a
we
will
flesh
out
the
data
on
this,
but
there
are
also
seem
to
be
a
number
of
warrants
where
the
warrant
is
issued
as
a
no
knock
warrant,
and
then
the
the
target
of
the
warrant
is
arrested
in
a
felony
traffic
stop
elsewhere
and
then
the
warranty
said
not
executed
as
a
no
knock.
Something
like
that.
That's
an
important
or
interesting
part
of
the
data
is
that
you
know
we
look.
We
saw
the
original
pool
was
there
were
quite
a
few?
E
No
knock
warrants
drilling
down
into
the
information
that
we
that
we
have
quite
a
few
of
them
are
actually
executed
in
a
in
a
just
with
keyed
entry.
Once
the
target
has
been
arrested,
and
you
know
they
don't
have
to
do
the
no
knockout.
E
That
is
interesting
and
I
think
something
that
we
that
we
will
identify.
I
have
identified
so
far
and
there'll
be
more
things.
We
can
discuss
policy
wise,
but
the
data
is
in
different
sources.
I
think
that's
an
issue
we've
talked
about
throughout.
Is
that
the
you
have
to
go
to
multiple
areas
to
find
the
data
we're
looking
for?
E
One
of
the
recommendations
of
no
knock
minnesota
was
to
centralize
the
data.
Have
a
report
done
for
it.
Currently,
the
the
only
like
central
repository
is
the
court
where
the
warrants
are
filed
with
the
court.
We've
talked
about
that
there
are
issues
in
that
data
being
publicly
accessible
in
a
in
an
easy
digestible
fashion.
E
B
Okay,
thank
you
both
for
your
work
on
this
so
far,
it's
it's
interesting
to
see
at
least
your
understanding
of
the
the
primarily
differences
or
lack
thereof
rather
of
these
two
groups.
I
am
curious,
since
you
know
you
touched
on
this.
I
the
idea
of
you
know
no
discernible
difference
in
bodily
bodily
harm
of
civilians
involved
in
either
of
these,
and
that
was
one
of
the
key
components
of
you
know
the
reasons
for
this
research
and
study.
B
I'm
curious,
one,
probably
most
importantly,
what
are
any
significant
differences
in
any
categories
that
you've
measured
so
far
between
knock
and
no
knock
warrants,
either
in
terms
of
outcome
or
any
other
noticeable
metric,
but
also,
could
you
give
us
just
a
an
understanding,
if
only
a
brief
one
about
your
methodology
behind
this?
Did
you
you
know,
is
this
more
of
like
a
qualitative
analysis.
You
looked
at
the
two
groups.
You
tried
to
find
trends
amongst
them.
B
Was
this
more
of
a
quantitative
you
know
creating
you
know,
I,
I
understand
it
as
ordinarily
squares
like
a
linear
regression
analysis,
but
if
there's
some
other
type
of
way
to
compare
these
two
groups
that
you
used
at
a
quantitative
level
would
be
interesting
to
hear
that
methodology
as
well.
C
E
Of
that
will
be
will
be
flashed
out
in
the
in
the
comparisons.
I
guess
at
this
point
I
would
say
you
know
we
just
we
just
have
the
underlying
data
right.
If
you
had
any
think
to
add
to
that.
A
F
To
get
it
at
first
kind
of
a
picture
of
what
are
we
looking
at
here?
You
know
what
is
the
situationality
of
it?
You
know,
let's,
let's
not
deep
dive
into
something
that
may
not
exist
right,
so
yeah.
So
so
at
this
point
we
were
looking.
You
know
if
you
taking
a
look
at
the
the
data
that
chris
presented,
those
were
effectively
the
the
questions,
the
rubric,
the
methodology
we
were
using,
we're
looking
at
a
few.
F
Factors
to
try
to
get
a
baseline
for
things
like
you
know,
injuries
things
like
is,
is
evidence
actually
being
recovered.
Are
these
being
nightcapped
being
done
outside
of
you
know,
sort
of
daytime
hours,
those
sorts
of
things?
What
are
they
looking
for
that
that
bit?
So
it
was
a
bit
more
quantitative.
F
B
Yeah
sure
and
and
yeah
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
like
pry
here,
I'm
just
I
heard
you
guys
like
make
these
statements.
Look
like
there
isn't
a
big
difference
between,
for
instance,
evidence
recovered
right,
a
rate
of
which
evidence
is
recovered
right.
Is
that
because,
on
every
single
one
of
them
it
says
evidence
was
recovered
on
the
scene
related
to
the
warrant
and
like
there
is
no
difference,
there
isn't
a
single
one
of
them.
B
That
says
that
isn't
the
case
or
is
there
a
difference
or
like
one
of
the
items
says
there
isn't
evidence
recovery
there
is
there
isn't
and
then
from
there
you
realize
there's
a
certain
ratio
of
these
two
groups
where
one
has
more
evidence
recovered
from
the
scene
or
another
or
not
trying
to
just
get
an
understanding
of
how
you
guys
came
to
the
the
two
statements
that
you
said
at
the
beginning
of
this.
F
F
So
you
know
whether
or
not
there
was
evidence
recovered
were
the
things
noted
in
the
evidence
pertinent
to
what
they
were
searching
for,
so
if,
for
example,
if
they
were
searching
for
narcotics
and
firearms
where
some
of
those
items
were
covered,
you
know,
if,
typically,
if
it
was
something
like
they
just
recovered
some
cell
phones,
you
know
for
or
something
along
those
lines
we
might,
we
might
put.
The
evidence
was
not
recovered.
That
was
necessarily
pertinent
to
what
was
listed
in
the
warrant.
F
So
looking
at
the
data,
if
yeah
most
of
them,
you
know,
as
you
can
see,
had
yes
a
few
had,
no
typically
when
it
had.
No,
there
was
nothing
recovered.
B
Okay,
and
did
you
just
like,
take
a
simple
fraction
of
out
of
the
hole
here,
the
ones
that
said
yes
and
you
know
that
a
certain
percentage
of
them
recovered
items
at
the
scene.
And
then
you
just
looked
at
the
difference
of
those
two
fractions
and
that's
how
we're
coming
to
the
understanding
that
there
isn't
two
distinct
differences
between
the
announced
and
unannounced
groups.
B
Or
is
there
some
other
use
way
that
you
guys
determined
that
there
wasn't
a
difference.
E
So
at
this
point
it's
a
it's
a
general
observation.
We
haven't
broken
it
down
into
when
I
had
the
example
10
cases
near
the
pie,
charts
and
the
graph
charts
for
that.
We
have
not
done
that
yet
for
the
whole
sample.
B
Okay,
yeah
sounds
good,
I'm
just
yeah
trying
to
get
an
understanding
of
what
our
level
of
methodology
is
here
and
it
sounds
like
it's
we're
sticking
at
the
level
of
summary
data
and
not
necessarily
trying
to
find
statistical
significance
between
these
two
groups.
To
my
understanding.
E
Yeah,
but
it
is,
it
is
my
yeah
I
I
think
it
will
be
the
case
that
now
that
we
have
the
underlying
data
that,
as
we
begin
to
write
this
report
and
that
the
analysis
and
the
you
know,
any
charts
to
compare
the
different
types
would
be
fleshed
out.
F
F
Yeah
so
yeah
yeah.
I
think
I
think
to
chris's
point
to
you
know
it
sometimes
it's
hard
to
to
see
in
the
end
product,
but
the
the
time
and
work
it
takes
to
get
this
amount
of
data
pulled
is,
is
pretty
high.
The
the
initial
sort
of
dig
takes
quite
a
bit
of
time,
and
once
we
have
a
baseline
to
work
from
things
tend
to
move
more
quickly.
B
Yeah,
I
know
that
some
of
these
things
are
redacted
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
sensitive
to
that,
but
I
am
kind
of
curious
on
and
be
more
than
willing
to
like
play
around
with
these.
I
assume
that,
although
you
showed
us
in
the
form
of
a
pdf,
would
it
be
possible
for
you
to
send
me
an
excel
spreadsheet
with
this
data
in
a
declassified
way.
So
that
way
I
could
play
around
with
it
myself
and
we
could
kind
of
collaborate
on
this.
E
Yeah
I
do.
I
do
not
see
an
issue
with
with
that,
the
I
converted
into
a
pdf
just
because
of
the
the
ease
of
redacting
using
adobe
software,
but
I
don't
see
an
issue
with
that.
We
would
have
in
taking
the
same
data
and
you
know
emailing
it
out
to
the
clerk
and
the
commissioners
in
an
excel
format.
E
B
That'd
be
great
because
I
yeah
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
throw
it
into
like
either
this
or
you
know,
r
or
stator,
or
something
and
just
play
around
and
see.
If
I
can
provide
a
certain
like
analysis
from
my
own
free
time
to
help
you
guys
with
coming
to
conclusions
that
would
be
valuable
as
well.
E
Yeah
that
would
be.
That
would
be
great,
and
I
think
that
you
know,
as
especially
as
we
as
we
work
on
the
report.
There'll
be
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
connect
on.
E
Observations
and
then
you
know,
especially
when
we
get
into
any
policy
recommendations
that
come
from
that
there'll,
be
a
lot
of
areas
to
discuss.
Based
on
that
data.
B
Great,
I
kind
of
dominated
question
time
right
now,
but
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
either
recognize
jordan,
crockett
or
jordan
sparks.
B
If
you
have
more
questions
about
the
status
of
where
we're
at
right
now,
it's
exciting
to
see
that
we
have
two
groups
of
samples
here
of
the
knox
and
no
knocks
so
you
know,
if
you
have
questions
commissioners
by
all
means,
feel
free
to
dig
in.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you
guys
for
for
putting
it
to
together.
It
is
really
awesome
to
see
the
the
two
samples
there
and
and
jax
you.
You
hit
a
lot
of
the
questions
on
the
head,
and
it's
helpful
to
understand
that
yes,
kind
of
put
together
is
like
more
of
a
summary
than
did
this
distinct.
Like
statistical,
you
know,
nuances
or
you
know
the
the
needles
to
find.
C
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Crockett
commissioner
sparks
I'll.
Just
leave
the
space
open
for
you
to
star
six
and
unmute
yourself.
If
you
want
to,
but
by
no
means
are
you
obligated
to
just
want
to
give
you
that
time?
If
you
have
any
questions.
D
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
we
can
okay
perfect.
I
was
talking
and
forgot
to
start
six
myself.
So
thanks
for
the
reminder,
I
did
have
a
question
for
mr
band
and
I
may
have
missed
this
earlier.
So
when
you
were
sharing
that
pdf,
I
noticed
you
had
a
column
that
said
cost
I
was
just
and
it
was
blank
just
because
you
would
convert
it
as
a
pdf,
but
I
was
curious.
What
does
that
column
represent?
E
So
that
column
currently
is
blank,
but
a
a
factor
that
that
had
been
raised
by
the
subcommittee
previously
was
the
cost
involved
in
these
warrants,
and
we
had
talked
about
various
ways
in
which
that
that
data
could
be
could
be
obtained.
You
know
we
would,
we
would
have
a
I
soon
be
able
to
get
like
a
baseline
of
you
know.
The
swat
team
consists
of
this.
E
Many
members
average
pay
is
this,
so
we
can
work
out
the
cost
of
a
swat
deployment
versus
just
say
a
a
community
response
team
for
the
for
the
no
knock
warrants,
sorry
for
the
for
the
knock
warrants,
and
then
another
factor
that
had
been
raised
was
the
potential
cost
to
property
owners
when
damage
is
done
to
the
property,
and
that
could
be
in
two
factors.
We
would.
C
E
Areas
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
into
is
either
potentially
claims
filed
with
the
city
for
that
damage
or,
alternatively,
we
had
talked
about
special
assessments,
possibly
being
requested
for
the
board
up,
for,
if
we're
a
buildup
of
a
property,
you
know
if
a
door
is
broken.
That's
often
often
what's
done
so
that
that's
kind
of
what
we
would
be
looking
at
for
for
cost.
D
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
sparks
all
right.
Any
final
words,
gentlemen,
on
no
knock
warrants
before
we
move
on
to
our
next
line
item.
E
I
would
just
say
that
you
know
timeline
wise.
I
think
we're
still
still
on
course,
we'll
get
the
we'll
get
the
data
over
to
the
the
commissioners
to
have
a
have
a
look
at,
and
we
will
start
to
piece
things
together.
You
know
share
any
drafts
before
before
anything
you
know
becomes
formalized
and
make
sure
that
we're
covering
all
the
areas
that
the
subcommittee
wants
to
cover.
B
Great,
thank
you
so
much
next
item
of
unfinished
business
is
a
continued
discussion
on
coaching
and
last
meeting.
We
we
were
unable
to
get
a
report
from
staff
regarding
the
current
status
of
coaching,
so
we
we
sent
in
a
a
request
for
a
report,
or
at
least
an
update
on
the
current
status
understanding,
the
extent
to
which
we're
able
to
continue
with
this
line
item-
and
I
I
do
believe
chris,
you
you
have
an
update
for
us-
is
that
correct.
E
Yes,
that's
that's
correct,
so
the
the
the
basic
position
is
that
the
lawsuit
is
still
ongoing,
so
no
new
information
about
coaching
can
be
given
at
this
time.
E
That
said,
we
have
been
looking
into
the
the
portals
that
exist
for
coaching.
The
the
case
management
system
that
we
use
is
is
fairly
old,
so
converting
that
data
over
is
quite
a
manual
process
and
we
are
looking
at
hopefully
getting
into
into
a
new
case
management
system.
That
would
make
all
this
a
lot
a
lot
easier.
E
But
currently
everything
is
is
manual.
Therefore,
you
know
to
produce
some
of
the
new
information.
It
is
creating
a
new,
a
new
piece
of
work
on
on
coaching
but
myself,
ryan
and
andrew
have
been
have
been
working
on
making
some
of
the
portals
correctly
reflect
the
data
updating
them.
So
hopefully
that,
when
that,
when
whatever
happening
with
the
the
lawsuit
is,
is
finalized,
that
the
new
information
can
be
published
very
quickly.
B
Okay,
great
just
so
that
way,
because
the
way
the
way
you
phrase
that
could
be
one
of
two
two
ways
I
want
to
make
sure
I'm
clear
on
it.
I
know
we
were
working
on
updating
a
dashboard
to
my
understanding
that
is
separate
enough
from
any
ongoing
litigation
that
we
were
able
to
update
it,
or
at
least
we're
on
a
track,
a
timeline
to
be
able
to
update
that
without
needing
any
sort
of
litigation
to
end.
E
So
my
my
understanding
was
that
there
was
a
few
different
aspects
of
that.
So
there
is
the
older
data
so
which
needs
to
be
just
needs
to
be
corrected.
Then
there
is
some
of
the
some
of
the
new
newer
data
actually
needs
to
be
processed.
D
E
A
B
Okay,
that
is,
that
is
new
information
for
me,
I'm
kind
of
disappointing
but
yeah,
okay,
oh
on
the
point
of
correcting
information
from
up
to
2017,
I
was
taking
a
look
at
the
opcr
dashboard
prior
to
this
meeting
for
those
of
you
who
are
watching
along
with
us.
This
is
the
dashboard
entitled
office
of
police
conduct,
review
data
dashboard,
which
is
within
minneapolismnn.gov.
B
I
am
going
to
put
a
link
in
the
chat
for
anybody
who
is
following
along
with
us
to
view
in
case
you
haven't
already
seen
it.
We
have
shared
it
multiple
times
this
year
and
I
think
one
of
the
items
at
the
crux
of
what
we're
talking
about
with
this
coaching
conversation
is
centered
around
the
idea
of.
B
Discipline,
the
discipline
matrix,
the
the
the
you
know,
one
having
an
understanding
of
where
and
what
the
most
current
version
of
that
discipline
matrix
is
was
a
topic
of
discussion
that
the
pcoc
has
had
multiple
times.
I
have.
Maybe
I
have
had
this.
I
just
don't
remember
it.
I
would
love
to
have
the
most
recent
and
current
discipline
matrix.
B
B
It
would
be
really
cool
in
this
data
dashboard
to
be
able
to
see
often
a
particular
item.
Let's
say
you
know
some
of
some
of
the
small
stuff,
like
you
know,
swearing
at
a
at
an
individual.
B
You
know
no
bodily
harm,
but
someone
was
offended
because
a
police
officer
swore
right
where
that
is
on
the
discipline
matrix
and
how
often
that
sort
of
infraction
or
accused
infraction
complaint
is
categorized
at
that
point
in
the
discipline
matrix
and
see
where
it
falls
above
or
below,
because
I
think
we
have
this
initial
hypothesis
here
in
this
group
that
nothing
is
ever
perfect
and
what
is
described
in
the
policy
may
differ
from
what
the
practice
is
going
on
in
in
mpd's
disciplinary
process.
B
And
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
that
difference
or
be
able
to
see
whether
or
not
that
difference
is
occurring.
And
I
think
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
by
understanding
the
discipline
matrix
as
the
standard
quote.
Unquote.
And
then,
if
it
is
possible
for
each
of
these
categories
to
see
whether
or
not
the
the
complaints
are.
B
If
the
complaints
and
the
responses
to
those
complaints
correlate
well
with
their
categories
on
the
discipline
matrix.
Does
that
make
sense.
E
Yes,
yeah,
I
I've
I've
made
a
made
a
note
of
that.
I
I
would
have
to
to
ask
andrew
about
the
the
most
updated
discipline
matrix.
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
the
range
which
I
realize
is
not
quite
the
same
is
next
to
the
policy
in
the
past.
Remember
the
cash
policy.
B
And
sometimes
it's
it's
a
very
wide
range.
You
know
in
the
the
letter
categories,
a
through
d
and
that
seems
to
not
be
arranged.
It
just
means
not
ranged
and-
and
that
is
interesting
in
its
own
right-
to
see
how
broad
a
range
could
be
for
a
particular
infraction,
which
might
be
something
we
talk
about
as
we
go
down
this.
But
I
don't
want
to
put
the
cart
before
the
horse
too
much,
but
yeah.
B
It
would
be
interesting
to
to
kind
of
just
dig
in
deeper
to
I
think
the
standard
first,
if
that's
possible,
to
do
because
it
seems
like
it
should
be,
it
hasn't
changed.
It's
not
something!
That's
up
for
debate.
It
is
something
that
is
finalized,
so
understanding
the
facts
of
something
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
be
impeding
in
litigation.
B
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
that's
just
my
perspective,
but
yeah.
It's
in
my
mind
it's
worth
asking
and
I
think
maybe
that's
the
first
baby
step
that
we
start
off
with.
E
Yeah,
I
can
definitely
touch
base
with
andrew
about
the
the
potentially
you
know,
finding
the
most
current
discipline
matrix
and
that
that
data
breakdown,
as
you
say,.
B
Yeah
and-
and
frankly
I
mean,
since
we
can't
look
at
data
in
the
dashboard
beyond
2017
I'd
be
okay,
if
we
even
just
had
a
dashboard
that
was
relative
to
the
data
that
we
have
so
that
way
we
could
even
just
say
hey.
This
was
the
standard
at
in
2017,
and
this
is
the
practice
of
you
know
via
the
data
that
we
had
in
2017
and
here's
how
closely
they
relate
to
each
other.
Here's
how
closely
they
don't
relate
to
each
other.
B
B
Yeah,
that's
that's
my
brainstorming
that
I
that
I
have
on
this
and
that
I've
had
for
the
past,
like
since
our
last
meeting,
jordan,
crockett
or
jordan
sparks
do
either
of
you
have
thoughts
on
either
what
I
said
or
if
you've
been
thinking
about
this
in
the
past.
I
know
we've
kind
of
hit
a
a
wall
with
this,
and
I
want
to
you
know,
brainstorm
for
a
minute
to
try
to
see
how
we
can
move
forward
in
a
productive
way.
On
this
item.
D
I
I
think,
hopefully
you
can
hear
me
this
is
yes,
I
I
think
it's
useful
to
have
historical
data
and
I
kind
of
thought
about
it.
Some
too,
since
the
last
time
we
met,
I
think
you
know
you
and
I
landed
on
the
same
page
and
and
part
of
it
is
just
because
that's
what
we
can
do
right
now,
but
that's
certainly
not
that's
good,
solid
effort,
that's
not
wasted
effort.
We
can
we'll
once
it's
all
said
and
done,
and
the
lawsuit's
cleared
up
and
we
can
look
at
more
recent
data.
D
That's
good,
but
you
know
this
kind
of
sets
us
up
for
success.
Looking
at
the
past
data,
and
it's
just
more
data
points
right
over
five
six
seven
years,
instead
of
concentrating
on
two
or
three
we
can.
Maybe
there
are
things
that
have
changed.
Maybe
there
are
trends
that
will
notice
that
kind
of
thing.
B
Yeah,
that's
fair,
and
it
would
be
interesting
to
be
able
to
compare
these
over
time
to
say
you
know.
Let's
say
hypothetically,
we
do
see
that
there's
a
difference
between
what's
in
the
discipline
matrix
and
then
what's
being
applied
in
practice
and
see
how
the
magnitude
of
that
difference
has
changed
over
time
or
hasn't.
B
B
All
right,
any
final
words
chris
on
this
topic,
because
I
think
that
that
we're
gonna
take
it
baby
steps
on
this
one
because
of
the
litigation.
But
do
you
have
any
anything
to
add
or
things
that
we
should
know
of
before?
We
conclude
this
item.
E
Nothing
at
this
time,
but
I
will
I
will
get
in
contact
with
the
higher-ups
about
those
questions
that
you
raised.
Okay,.
B
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
I
will
say
now
that
we've
concluded
this
item
of
unfinished
business,
just
a
note
for
those
watching
along
and
for
this
committee,
we
were
asked
by
our
newly
elected
chair
of
the
pcoc
abigail
sarah
to
have
a
follow-up
regarding
the
the
civil
rights
and
hate
crime
reporting
of
people
in
the
transgender
community.
B
This
was
an
item
that
we
first
was
brought
to
our
attention
almost
two
years
ago
now
and
we've
been
slowly
working
through
that
process
as
well,
but
we
haven't
had
an
update
in
a
little
while
I
will
say
to
this
subcommittee
so
that
way,
you
are
aware
I
have
reached
out
to
the
staff
member
who
is
responsible
for
that
research
and
study,
and
I
have
communicated
with
our
clerk
here
to
make
sure
that
that
report
is
going
to
be
coming
out,
or
at
least
an
update
on
that
report
is
going
to
be
coming
out
as
soon
as
possible.
B
Unfortunately,
the
staff
member
involved
is
not
available
for
this
week,
but
ideally
by
the
next
subcommittee
meeting,
we'll
get
an
update
there
just
so
that
way,
everybody's
aware.
Hopefully,
we
can
anticipate
that
update
next
meeting.