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A
B
Good
afternoon
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission
audit
subcommittee
for
february
28
2022,
I'm
robert
jackson
pino
the
chair
of
this
subcommittee,
as
we
begin
I'll
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
B
This
meeting
will
be
recorded
and
posted
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
can
verify
a
quorum
for
this
meeting.
B
B
That
motion
carries
the
agenda
is
adopted
and
the
january
minutes
are
accepted.
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comment,
I'll,
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
will
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
with
that
are
there
any
community
members
who
are
on
the
line
who
wish
to
address
our
subcommittee?
D
I
want
to
follow
up
here,
because
on
february
14th
I
received
a
message
from
the
minneapolis
civil
rights
department
regarding
an
opcr
special
review
of
no
knock
warrants.
I
hope
everybody
else
on
the
be
not
everybody
else.
Everybody
on
the
pcoc
received
this
statement
from
the
minneapolis
civil
rights
department.
If
not
I'd
be
happy
to
forward
it
to
you,
I
found
it
infuriating.
You
know
they.
D
What
is
so
hypocritical
about
this
is
the
civil
rights
department
and
the
opcr
put
out
this
statement.
Nowhere
in
that
statement
is
the
pcoc
mentioned
in
terms
of
its
role
in
formulating
policy
and
working
with
the
community,
and
there
is
no
recognition
that
the
pcoc
had
started
that
work
back
last
april.
That
is
a
tremendous
oversight
and
really
is
a
slap
in
the
face
to
the
pcoc
and
its
role.
Thank
you.
B
B
E
So
I
don't
have
any
special
powerpoint
or
anything
like
that
in
the
transition
with
civil
rights
directors,
et
cetera,
we've
had
a
number
of
people
working
on
this
project,
and
so
here
are
the
major
updates.
So
as
of
right
now,
the
proposed
the
way
that
we
had
proposed
and
structured.
The
report
is
not
doable
and
the
reason
why
that
is
is
because
the
way
that
the
city's
data
collection
tools,
practice
manager
and
the
way
that
police
reports
are
categorized
there's
no
way
to
simply
sort
by
keywords.
E
E
Yes,
but
we
would
then
have
to
go
through
each
of
the
categories
in
which
moving
from
a
misdemeanor
to
a
felony
because
of
a
hate
crime
designation,
it's
it's
just
not
doable
with
staff
time,
and
so
we've
developed
a
set
of
recommendations
that
we
think
moving
forward,
that
the
pcoc
as
a
larger
committee
can
undertake,
or
that
are
just
general
recommendations
in
terms
of
things
that
could
be
done.
That
would
alleviate
this
issue
in
the
future.
E
I
think,
basic
components
that
the
training
can
yield.
That
would
remind
officers
on
how
to
assess
those
situations.
How
to
appropriately
ask
for
more
information,
because
identifying
victims
is
done
on,
like
the
policy
is
to
do
that
by
appearance.
That
is
not
always
going
to
be
the
case,
and
if
gender
is
misgendered
or
misreported,
that
can
then
lead
to
the
wrong
type
of
what
bias
it
would
be,
whether
it
was
a
hate
crime
based
on
gender
or
whether
it
was
based
on
sexual
orientation,
and
so
things
can
get
get
messy
that
way.
E
So
those
are
the
two
major
recommendations
that
we
have
have
just
based
off,
of
not
being
able
to
really
assess
if
there
has
been
an
under
reporting
or
if
we
are
in
compliance
with
the
state
statute
based
on
what
we
do
have
access
to
this.
The
city
and
the
mpd
are
in
compliance
based
on
what
data
exists
easily
to
look
at
and
for
that
I'll
stand
for
questions.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
crockett,
and
with
that
in
mind
I
will
I
will
be
the
first
one
to
ask
questions.
I
think
I
myself
and
chair
sarah
are
the
only
two
that
were
commissioners
at
the
time
when
this
first
came
to
us,
and
I
think
it
was
my
first
and
only
in-person
pcoc
meeting
that
I've
ever
had
was
when
this
group
came
and
brought
the
concern
to
our
attention.
Just
to
you
know,
make
sure
everybody's
aware
of
it.
B
You
know
maintaining
and
the
initial
recording
of
these
reports
and
then
from
what
I'm
hearing
back
from
you
that,
basically
the
data
is:
is
there
it's
just
structured
poorly
enough
that
it
is
unreasonable
for
us
to
be
able
to
pull
any
meaningful
information
out
of
that
data?
Is
that
what
I'm
getting
in?
That?
First
of
two
recommendations.
B
It's
it
is
unfortunate,
but
that's
the
case,
but
it
it
is.
I'm
I'm
not
surprised.
It
seems
to
be
an
overarching
trend
that
data
governance
is,
is
a
huge
concern
not
just
on
this
topic
but
on
others.
So
I
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
been
putting
into
this,
and
I
know
that
this
has
not
been.
You
know
an
easy.
You
know
almost
two
years
now
with
this
this
topic,
but
you
know
if
we
can
pull
even
just
these
two
recommendations
from
it.
B
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you've
put
into
it.
They
seem
fairly
straightforward
to
me,
so
I
I
the
one
thing
that
I
do
want
to
just
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
correctly
you're
talking
about
in-service
training
and-
and
I
assume
that's
some
of
the
initial
training
that
officers
get
or
is
that
throughout
the
process
of
reoccurring,
trainings,
to
make
sure
that
they're
brushed
up
as
well.
The.
E
Way
that
I
understand
it
chair,
you
know,
is
that
for
in-service
training,
it's
an
annual
requirement,
but
the
topics
vary.
Obviously,
there's
a
breadth
of
information
and
changes
that
might
occur
on
policies
or
procedures
and
that
that
they
try
to
incorporate
topics
of
diversity
in
in
that
schedule.
E
B
E
So
in
a
report
yeah,
I
can
pull
it
and
I
can
get
that
exact
language
to
you.
I
think
in
the
case
where
it's
explicitly
around
gender,
like
people
can
self-identify,
but
there
are
often
times
in
a
case
where,
if
the
victim
is
not
one
to
say
that
they
believe
it
was
motivated
by
any
particular
protected
class,
the
officer
may
not
have
the
training
or
knowledge
around
how
to
assess
that
there
may
have
been
some
sort
of
hate
crime
or
hate
or
bias
motivation
in
the
in
the
situation.
B
E
B
B
C
Mrs
gardner
first
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
update
and
for
all
your
work
on
on
that
study,
and
that
request
we
appreciate
it
so
we'll
echo
chair.
You
know
his
comments
on
that
and
I
apologize
that
this
was
covered
earlier
and
I
missed
it,
but
is
there
like
a
required
training
for
mpd
staff
on
gender
equity
or
identifying
gender
versus
sex
versus
sexual
orientation?
A
lot
of
workplaces
have
that
as
required
training.
Nowadays.
E
C
B
Yep
that
sounds
good
to
me.
Any
further
questions
all
right
hearing,
none,
we
will
excuse
you,
mr
gardner,
thank
you
so
much
for
giving
us
the
update
in
your
report
and
as
soon
as
we
get
those
written
recommendations
from
you,
we'll
we'll
have
the
torch
pass
back
on
to
us
and
we
will
issue
recommendations.
Thank
you.
H
B
Mr
band
has
a
provided
a
synopsis
and
summary
data,
given
his
analysis
of
no
knock
warrants
compared
to
announced
warrants.
I
wasn't
here
for
that,
but
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
the
initial
release
of
that.
I
have
taken
a
look
at
it
wondering
if
you
have
anything
else
to
report
either
updates
to
that
initial
report
and
give
us
kind
of
like
a
you
know,
I
guess
a
brief
of
any
work.
That's
happened
between
the
last
subcommittee
meeting
and
this
one.
B
Well,
thank
you
I
mean
initially,
I
want
to
say
I
personally
agree
with
both
of
those
efforts
of
support
both
in
the
moratorium,
and
I
think
it's
been
very
clear
since
we've
been
referred
to
this,
we
have
had
concerns
about
the
limited
amount
of
public
data
that
has
been
available
to
us
in
both
city
and
county
level,
data
which
you
have
dug
through.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
that
you
have
been
able
to
pull
from
that.
B
So
I
think
that
that
is
important
to
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
say
that
we
could
put
together
even
just
a
quick
statement
of
saying
we're
supporting
the
moratorium
and
data
publicity
regarding
no
knock
warrants.
On
the
summary
information
you
provided
itself.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
that
up
and
if
it's
possible,
madam
clerk,
if
we
could
pull
it
up
for
members
of
the
public
who
might
be
watching
this
on
youtube
later
high
risk
warrant
entry
draft
report,
that's
what
it's
titled
right.
B
B
B
B
To
put
bluntly,
we're
wondering
whether
or
not
no
knock
warrants
are
there
are
different
results
regarding
unannounced
versus
announced
warrants,
as
it's
being
described
here
in
the
results
right
and
to
my
understanding,
the
the
the
methodology
that
you
used
right
here,
we're
pulling
simple
averages.
This
is
all
summary
data
we're
not
doing
any
sort
of
like
parametric
analysis
of
like
linear,
regressions
or
anything
like
that
to
have
like
meaningful,
like
statistical
differences.
This
is
just
looking
at
summary
data
right
now.
Is
that
correct.
I
I
mean,
I
suppose,
the
the
shortest
answer
would
be
it's
it's
not
better
than
looking
at
the
entire
data
set.
The
random
sampling
is
because
this
involves
a
lot
of
manual
review.
There
isn't
a
way
to
pull
all
the
data
that
can
be
aggregated
into
the
percentages
immediately.
It's
a
lot
of
manual
review,
gotcha,
gotcha,.
G
B
B
B
I
mean
just
doing
doing
some
quick
mental
math
here
it
does
look
like
we
don't
have
kind
of
a
uniform
distribution
or
I
guess
homogeneity
regarding
the
precincts.
It
looks
like
there
are
some
precincts
that
are
more
active
just
generally
than
others.
Is
that
a
an
appropriate
interpretation
of
my
eyeballing
of
this
first
table.
I
I
I
would,
I
would
certainly
agree
with
that.
There
are.
There
are,
of
course,
differences
between
the
precincts
in
the
number
of
number
of
residential
properties,
but
then
also
there
are,
of
course,
demographic
differences
between
the
precincts.
That
is
something
that
you
know
would
be
of
interest
when
it
comes
to
the
distribution
between
the
search
warrants.
I
G
B
G
B
The
whole
the
whole
crux
of
all
of
this
is
announced
versus
unannounced
warrants.
Are
there
are
there
and
I'm
trying
really
hard,
not
to
say
meaningful
differences,
and
I
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
is
kind
of
nuanced
and
members
of
the
public
who
who
are
looking
at
these
numbers
and
saying
jackson?
Why
don't
you
understand?
These
are
meaningful
differences,
look
at
the
difference
in
the
numbers.
Unfortunately,
the
way
statistics
works.
No,
you
can't.
B
You
can't
define
that
off
of
this
table
that
you
have
here,
but
in
lieu
of
saying
the
word
meaningful.
Are
there
noticeable
differences
between
announced
and
unannounced
warrants
within
precincts?
Mr
band?
That
you
think
are,
at
least
you
know,
looking
rough
look
at
these
numbers
that
you
think
would
merit
that
sort
of
idea
that
there
could
be
meaningful
differences
between
announced
and
unannounced
warrants.
That
would
merit
a
more
detailed
review.
I
B
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
now
just
kind
of
taking
a
look
more
deeply
at
the
numbers
and
seeing
if
I
can
pull
some
sort
of
like
initial
thoughts
together,
while
I'm
doing
that
commissioners
crockett
or
sparks.
Do
you
have
questions
regarding
table
one
here
specifically,
and
if
this
is
review
for
you
guys
I
apologize.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I'm
on
the
same
page.
F
I
F
I
B
Okay,
another
another
question:
I
know
just
generally
across
these
these
three
tables,
where
we're
getting
a
good
understanding
of
where
these
search
warrants
are
happening,
both
announced
and
unannounced
by
table,
one
we're
getting
a
beginning
of
an
understanding
of
why
these
search
warrants
are
taking
place
through
table
two
and
then
table
three.
If
you
don't
mind
scrolling
down
just
a
little
bit
more.
Thank
you.
We're
talking
about.
B
D
I
And
the
evidence
recovery
rate
there
isn't
a
huge
difference
in
the
evidence,
recovery
rate,
the
target
of
the
warrant
being
present
is
slightly
lower
in
in
announced
search
warrants,
yeah
and
then
nightcapped.
Isn't
that
isn't
entirely
surprising
in
that?
You
know
nightcap,
that
is,
that
is
a
special
requirement
when
the
warrant
is
applied,
for
there
needs
to
be
a
justification
for
it.
They
would
often
often
be
paired
with
a
request
for
that
to
be
executed
by
no
no
knock
at
the
same
time
as
night
cap.
B
G
B
B
You
know,
apart
from
a
few
of
those
clarifying
questions
that
I
initially
had
any
questions
from
commissioners
regarding
either
the
rest
of
this
statement
or
the
rest
of
this
report
or
next
steps
either
agreeing
with
or
you
know,
if
by
all
means,
if
you
feel
like
there
are
a
different
path
that
we
can
go
down,
feel
free
to
voice.
It.
B
G
B
Yeah,
if
if
at
some
point,
you
could
send
me
the
raw
data
file
in
an
excel
spreadsheet,
I'll,
just
I'll
play
around
with
it.
I
know
I
said
that
last
time
and
I
looked
at
it
and
I
didn't
get
back
to
you,
but
I'm
doing
it
this
time
and
because
now
all
the
data's
there
and
it's
collected
and
I'll
be
able
to
just
highlight
a
few
things,
make
a
few
functions
and
then
we'll
have
some
very
first
draft
numbers
of
impact.
B
B
J
J
I
had
a
chance
to
connect
with
the
person
who
actually
built
it
back
when
it
was
done
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
found
out
and
it's
actually
something
that
I
think
cassidy
covered
when
she
was
talking
as
well.
It's
just
like
some
of
these.
The
way
that
some
of
these
systems
are
set
up
is
they're,
antiquated
enough
that
it
makes
pulling
individual
data
points
incredibly,
incredibly
hard,
and
so
with
the
database
that
exists
right
now.
That
was
done,
for
I
can't
remember
2015
through
2017.
J
It's
not
it's
not
plugged!
It's
it's!
Basically,
it's
a
standalone
thing
where
the
analysts
went
into
each
individual
file
and
pulled
out
the
actual
documentation
and
then
made
their
own.
You
know
I
guess
spreadsheet
or
for
like
a
lack
of
a
better
term
that
that's
what
feeds
the
database
itself,
because
I
think
the
initial
hope
was
that
we'd
be
able
to
pull
it
straight
out
of
like
our
systems
of
record,
but
because
a
lot
of
it
is
just
in
the
individual
documentation.
It's
not
possible.
J
We
are
in
the
process
or
all
pcr
is
in
the
process
of
moving
to
a
new
system
for
case
management,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that,
like
I
flagged
as
like.
Please,
if
you
can
do
nothing
else,
you
know
like
give
us
the
ability
to
break
the
stuff
out.
It's
for
similar
reasons
to
what
cassidy
had
said
is
that
you
know
like
it's.
You
know
it's
one
of
those
where,
like
you
know,
things
are
stored
properly.
J
J
You
know
case
by
case,
and
you
know,
finding
the
documentation
and
taking
each
individual
thing
out
and
putting
it
into
its
own
system
of
records,
so
yeah,
so
that
one
there's
there's
not
not
a
ton
of
updates,
because
basically,
what
was
found
out
is
that
you
know
the
way
that
it
was
working,
wasn't
exactly
what
we
were
kind
of
hoping
and
so
as
far
as
transferability.
It's
like
the
same
process
would
have
to
happen.
B
B
And
it
does
absolutely
kind
of
put
a
roadblock
into
the
whole.
Point
of
this,
I
think,
is
what
we
were
trying
to
do
was
you
know,
have
an
understanding
of
what
sort
of
impact
does
that
whole
coaching
label
have
right,
and
I
get
that
that's
a
hot
button
issue
that
we
we
have
touched
on
numerous
times
throughout
the
you
know,
existence
of
the
pcoc
is
coaching.
Discipline
is
coaching,
not
discipline.
B
How
does
coaching
have
an
impact
on
people's
propensity
to
you
know,
have
more
violations
or
less
violations?
Does
it?
Is
it
helpful
or
not
right,
and
I
still
think
that
that
is
something
that
we
can
do,
it's
just
understanding
where
those
roadblocks
are
and
if
nothing
else
like
what
you're
saying
have
an
understanding
to
what
we
need
to
accomplish
in
order
to
fix
the
systems
that
are
currently
in
place
in
order
to
get
the
information
that
we
need.
B
B
J
B
B
That
is
not
public
and
we
have
no
way
of
it
seems
we
have
no
way
of
helping
facilitate
the
extraction
of
that
data
without
having
access
to
the
whole
report
which,
by
construction
we
don't
have
access
to.
Is
there
someone
within
opcr
that
we
can
work
through?
That
would
be
able
to
have
access
to
that
data,
and
I
guess
at
first
first
things.
First,
I
mean
maybe
it's
just
a
simple
question:
these
reports?
B
Are
they
just
pdf
reports
and
you
have
to
like
visually
look
at
them
and
and
then
type
it
like
hard
type
it
into
an
excel
spreadsheet
or
is
it
you
know
something
that
can
be
pulled
through
coding
of
some
sort
and
then
put
into
you
know
excel
workbooks
or
some
sort
of
program?
So
that
way,
then
that
information
can
be
the
public
information
can
be
extracted
from
the
non-public
information
in
and
time-efficient
manner.
What
sort
of
system
are
we
looking
at
here.
J
That
one
I
could
get,
I
have
to
double
check
with
staff
on
what's
in
the
specific
case
files,
but
my
guess
is
you
know,
especially
even
going
back
to
2017.
Is
that
a
lot
of
it's
pdf
and
they
think
they're?
You
know
handwritten,
you
know
documentation.
So
it's
something
where,
like
a
clean,
you
know
like
to
do
a
super.
Easy,
clean,
pull
and
like
the
automation
side,
is
not
in
the
realm
of
possibility
that
I
was
gonna
say
I
think
caroline
actually
has
her
hand
up.
H
Inside
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
that
the
unfortunately,
yes,
it
is
a
written
pdf
that
is
sent
from
the
precincts
back
to
our
office,
uploaded
into
each
individual
case
within
our
records
management
system.
So
we
would
have
to
physically
go
into
every
file
look
into
every
single
pdf
when
it
is
returned
and
then
manually
put
it
into
a
data
set.
B
I
mean
at
its
core,
a
major
failure
in
terms
of
this
city
in
terms
of
being
able
to
communicate
any
form
of
data
if
things
are
handwritten
out
like
that,
it's
just
man,
there's
there's
no
data
transparency,
that's
possible
with
that
sort
of
thing.
Is
that
still
the
case
now
we
were
talking
about
it
back
in
2017.
B
H
J
J
There's
a
reason
that
there's
you
know
opcr
is
looking
at
moving
to
a
new
system
in
the
very
near
future,
yeah,
which
I
will
be
a
welcome
change
because
for
out
for
my
you
know,
carolina
deals
with
it
quite
a
bit
more,
but
just
for
my
video,
a
few
interactions
with
pm,
it's
I
think
I
compared
it
to
windows
95
once
and
then
realized
that
that's
probably
a
bad
comparison,
because
it
might
predate
that.
So
you
know
it
was
built
before
data.
J
You
know
like
it's
a
system
that
was
created
before
data
visualization
was
anywhere
near
where
it's
at
now,
so
it
wasn't
with
that
in
mind.
So
I
would
I
say
that
point
out
my
caroline,
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
updates
on
the
timeline
for
the
new,
like
case
management
system,
but
I've
mentioned
before.
J
That's
definitely
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
see
like
a
pretty
deliberate
effort
just
because
he
gained
you
know
chirping
how
I
talked
about
it,
but
knowing
that
you
know
not,
all
of
this
is
public.
You
know
having
the
ability
to
pull
out
what
we
can
in
a
very
easy
you
know,
easily
digestible
way
is
something
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
so.
I
think
this
will.
This
is
definitely
an
opportunity
to
call
some
of
those
things
out.
As
this,
you
know,
as
a
new
system
is
getting
set
up.
B
H
B
B
B
Enterprise-Wide
yeah,
okay,
I
guess
the
I
mean
it
comes
down
to
put
put
simply
the
recommendation
that
we
have
that.
I
think
that
we
could
have
right
now
is
that
you
know
civil
rights
and
opcr
need
to
be
provided
a
an
updated
case
management
system
that
allows
for
the
exporting
and
disaggregation
aggregation
and
both
aggregated
and
disaggregated
data
within
that
system.
B
C
B
But
at
least
now
we
can
say
hey:
we
need
to
have
a
letter
to
enterprise
I.t
and
if
I
could
work
with
andrew
hawkins
to
like
format
this
correctly,
so
that
way
it's
directed
to
the
right
people
about
exactly
who
it
needs
to
go
to
and
what
is
actually
needed
to
be
changed.
Specifically,
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
first
action
item
that
we
can
have
on
this
coaching
discussion
and
hopefully
that
will
help
spur
a
quicker
change.
So
we
can
get
the
data
that
we
need.
B
J
Thanks
trippy
now,
if
it's
going
to
echo
your
point
and
say
that
this
is
something
we're
looking
at
across
the
entire
department,
you
know
for
all
of
our
investigative
bodies,
in
terms
of
you
know
like
getting
access
to.
You
know
more
modern
case
management,
software
for
the
same
purpose,
and
then
you
know
again
the
one
thing
that
is
unique
for
minneapolis
in
terms
of
the
data
portal.
J
Is
you
know
the
amount
of
data
that's
available
is
still
up
there
with
you
know
it's
certainly
one
of
the
things,
the
more
comprehensive
portals
in
the
country.
However,
you
know
for
that
to
continue
and
for
it
to
continue
being
a
value
and
for
it
to
continue,
you
know,
continue
evolving,
that's
kind
of
where
we've
hit
this
wall,
where
you
know
you
know
in
lieu
of
you
know
having
better
tools.
You
know
to
pull
this
out
and
to
pull
things
out
more
dynamically.
J
B
B
Would
you
be
able
to
provide
us
with
a
you
know,
a
budgetary
analysis
of
back
in
2017
when
the
first
dashboard
was
made,
the
costs
associated
with
it
and
the
time
that
it
took
so
that
way
next
meeting?
Hopefully,
when
we
have
those
numbers
we
can
either
you
know
have
we
could
start
to
have
a
conversation
of
man.
This
data
is
outdated.
We
would
like
to
see
it
refreshed
in
due
time
when
we're
able
to
have
it
refreshed.
What
would
the
costs
look
like
who's
going
to
pay
for
that?
B
B
B
B
I
wish
I
could
have
been
there
to
ask
if
he
meant
handled
the
arbitration
itself,
which
would
make
sense,
but
also
it
was
framed
in
such
a
way
that
it
made
me
think
that
these
hr
attorneys
handled
the
evaluation
of
the
arbitration
process,
and
I
guess
to
just
kick
things
off.
Is
that
what
I
mean
if
that
rattled
your
memory
a
little
bit
fellow
commissioners,
is
that
what
he
was
saying
that
you
know
we're
able
to
look
into
policing
matters
in
the
the
change?
B
B
C
A
C
F
B
Because
off
of
the
you
know,
the
the
lists
of
10
give
or
take
items
that
are
within
our
authority
that
mr
fussy
referred
to.
I
think
it's
just
important
for
us
to
have
that
sort
of
conversation
of
okay.
If
we're
going
to
talk
to
some
hr
attorneys,
let's
talk
to
them
and
have
an
understanding
of
their
process
of
evaluating
arbitration
and
how
that
type
of
arbitration
has
an
impact
on.
B
B
Either
apart
from
or
following
that,
conversation
with
hr
attorneys
would
be
if
we
clearly
understand
that
this
is
outside
of
our
scope,
that
arbitration
evaluation
is
not
within
our
jurisdiction.
We
could
at
least
put
together
a
list
of
proposed
questions
and
send
them
off
to
the
appropriate
auditor
of
that
process.
Saying
hey.
We
noticed
that
there
are
some
lingering
questions
regarding
the
arbitration
process
and
how
it
impacts
the
accountability
of
police
officers.
B
B
B
B
Commit
some
sort
of
violation
as
a
police
officer
and
and
then
following
up
the
extent
of
their
discipline.
If
there
is
discipline-
and
I
think
that
this
is
just
again
not
splitting
hairs
here-
there's
a
meaningful
difference
here
between
discipline
and
coaching.
We're
going
off
of
the
initial
idea
right
now
that
this
is
for
officers
who
receive
discipline
which
will
not
include
coaching
I.e,
more
public
data,
because
once
it's
disciplined
it's
more
public
and
that's
where
we
kind
of
left
things.
This
initial
idea
of
like
hey.
B
We
want
to
look
at
this
series
of
metrics
the
violations
themselves,
the
demographics
of
both
the
officer
and
the
person
who
filled
out
the
complaint,
the
years
of
service
and
age
in
particular
precinct,
which
I
believe,
commissioner
crockett.
You
were
talking
about,
location
based
metrics.
That
would
be
interesting.
B
Any
previous
history
of
violations
like
the
number
of
violations,
whether
or
not
they're,
similar
to
the
current
violation,
the
location
of
the
interaction
itself,
the
whether
or
not
that
what
chief
aerodondo's
response
was
based
off
of
the
recommendation
or
pre
and
or
previous
violations.
Whether
or
not
one
you
know
take
two
very
similar
violations.
B
C
B
B
H
A
H
B
And
that
and
that's
the
kind
of
stuff
that
I'm
looking
for
you
know
it's
just
like
being
able
to
say,
like
you
know,
if
it's
a
class,
a
violation
right
and
it's
got
merit
of
discipline
and
could
you
off
randomly
off
the
top
of
your
head?
Could
you
tell
me
what
what
an
example
of
a
class
a
violation
would
be.
K
H
G
B
You
know
all
of
the
public
available
information
of
those
bwc
violations
over
the
course
of
what,
whenever
the
the
new
policy
came
in,
what
2020
from
from
2020
to
2022,
looking
at
all
the
bwc
violations
and
then
seeing
you
know,
I'm
sure
the
vast
majority
of
them
the
panel.
That
said
they
had
merit
that
ended
up
being
an
a-level
violation,
but
I'm
sure
not
all
of
them
were
maybe
some
might
have
been
a
b
or
a
c-level
violation.
B
I
think
it
would
be
very
interesting,
especially
in
regards
to
the
the
consistency
of
discipline,
to
be
able
to
look
at
an
analysis
of
all
of
those
body-worn
camera
violations
and
and
see
whether
or
not
there's
reasons
behind
some
of
the
ones
that
you
know
who
ended
up
getting,
b
or
c
level
disciplines
or
labeled
as
a
b
or
c
level
violation.
Getting
a
harsher
discipline.
B
It
could
be
a
rich
data
set
that
if
you
know,
if
we
get
that
that
case
management
update,
we'll
be
able
to
pull
this
a
lot
more
easily.
But
I
think,
even
without
that,
it's
possible
for
you
to
pull
some
of
this
stuff
now.
So
that
means
that
the
information
is
out
there
and
it's
just
figuring
out
what
information
is
applicable
to
us,
that
we
can
use
in
a
meaningful
way
and
I'm
done
ranting.
I
see
chris
banned.
You
have
your
hand
raised.
H
If
it
was
that
officer's
first
misactivation
within
that
year
could
be
considered
an
a
if
they've
had
two
three
or
more,
it
could
be
a
b
c
or
d
and,
like
you
had
mentioned,
if
something
and
I'm
again,
I'm
speaking
just
out
of
generality,
just
an
example,
if
an
officer
act
deactivates
their
camera
prematurely
during
an
important
part
of
the
scene
or
has
a
history
of
activating
and
deactivating
inconsistent
with
policy.
Yes,
that
can
also
be
an
example
of
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
up.
There.
B
And
I
think
that
that's
important
stuff
to
to
know
and
looking
at
that
not
just
yeah
like
you
got
so
much
information,
that's
in
your
head,
because
you've
been
able
to
look
at
this
stuff
right.
I
want
to
be
able
to
in
a
publicly
available
way,
take
that
information
out
and
put
it
on
paper
and
make
it
visible
for
the
public
to
kind
of
see
like
oh.
This
is
what
it
means
you
know.
So.
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that.
Chris,
you
have
your
hand
raised.
I
Maybe
you
want
to
meet
with
an
opcr
analyst
and
go
through
a
project
formulation,
an
initial
survey
to
see
what
data
would
be
available
and
what
questions
could
be
answered
before
going
into
a
full
study,
so
I've
linked
to
that
process
and
that
would
kind
of
go
through
the
viability
of
doing
a
full
study.
Yeah.
B
B
B
Carolina,
you
don't
have
to
come
back
on
camera
if
you
don't
want,
but
since
chris
mentioned
it
is
that
something
that
you
would
be
able
or
would
have.
The
capacity
to
be
able
to
do
with
us
next
month
is
give
us
an
understanding
of
what
is
publicly
available
and
the
kind
of
weighing
that
you
know
what
is
possible
versus
what
is
time
efficient
and
not
going
to
like
completely
consume
someone's
job
to
get
the
type
of
data
that
we're
looking
for.