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From YouTube: April 12, 2022 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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B
Good
evening
my
name
is
jordan
sparks
I
am
the
vice
chair
of
the
police
conduct
oversight,
commission
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
for
april
12
2022
to
order.
As
we
begin,
I
will
not
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
the
commission.
A
C
B
Two
remarks
before
we
begin.
One
brief
one
is
that
this
it
sounds
like
this
might
be
the
last
virtual
meeting
that
we
have.
It
sounds
like
we're.
Gonna
be
transitioning
to
in-person
meetings
soon
and
the
quick
office
will
be
sending
us
some
some
updated
information
on
that
time
and
place.
That
kind
of
thing,
I
don't
think
it's
all
been
figured
out
yet,
but
that's
expected
to
most
likely
by
may.
It
sounds
like
we'll
be
doing
this
in
person.
B
Second,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
brief
remark
regarding
our
our
chair's
resignation,
chair,
abigail,
sarah
served
on
this
commission
for
a
long
time
and
was
a
you
know,
good
friend
and
partner
and
cohort
to.
I
think
everybody
here
and
she
resigned
a
little
while
ago
and
I
think
speaking
for
all
of
us,
we
were
sad
to
see
her
go
and
so
as
far
as
leadership
on
the
committee,
it's
down
to
just
me
as
vice
chair,
but
that
will
hopefully
we'll
get
that
squared
away
soon.
C
D
B
B
B
All
right
so
we're
gonna
make
a
motion
I'll
make
a
motion
to
add
a
discussion
item
pcoc
and
our
mission
to
the
discussion
topics.
I'd
like
to
do
it
right
after
we
do
the
election,
so
we'll
jump
right
into
that.
As
our
first
discussion
topic.
Could
I
have
a
second
for
that
motion.
B
Thank
you,
mr
pino,
and
could
we
call
roll
for
that?
Please.
B
B
Okay,
the
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
election
of
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
I'm.
A
Going
excuse
me
vice
chair
sparks,
we,
you
took
a
role
to
amend
the
agenda.
You
now
need
a
roll
call
to
accept
the
amended
agenda
and
one
for
the
minutes,
and
you
could
do
the
amended
agenda
in
minutes
combined.
If
you
would
like.
B
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
okay!
Well,
let's,
commissioner
pino.
A
B
Okay,
please
call
the
roll.
B
B
Okay.
Next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
election
of
a
chair
and
vice
chair.
I
guess
I'll
turn
looks
like
we'll
turn
the
meeting
over
to
clerk
brock
to
conduct
the
election
for
chair
and
vice
chair.
A
A
Nominations
do
not
require
a
second
after
nominations
have
closed.
Each
individual
who
has
been
nominated
will
be
given
a
few
minutes
to
explain
why
they
would
like
to
be
considered
for
the
position
when
speeches
have
concluded.
Members
may
enter
a
question
and
answer
period
with
the
candidates
before
the
vote
is
taken
on
the
election
of
the
officer.
A
All
right
the
floor
is
now
open
to
nominations
for
the
position
of
chair.
Are
there
any
nominations
for
the
position
of
chair.
A
D
Thank
you
vice,
commissioner,
sparks.
I
appreciate
your
nomination.
I
appreciate
your
confidence
in
me.
I
know
I
would
never
be
able
to
step
into
the
shoes
of
commissioner,
sarah
and
all
the
work
she
put
in
and
if
I
am
chosen
to
be
the
chair,
I
hope
that
this
is
a
work
in
progress
together,
as
we
really
determine
what
we
can
do
with
pcoc
and
try
and
push
our
our
commission
into
a
direction
where
we
can
feel
effective,
we've
kind
of
been
for
lack
of
a
better
word
limping
along
and
for
good
reason.
D
We've
had
people
resign
and
it's
a
detriment
to
our
city
in
such
a
vital
time,
a
time
where
we
should
really
be
able
to
to
make
change
and
and
make
progress,
it's
kind
of
been
stagnant
and
not
just
in
the
pcoc
in
several
areas.
So
I
would
ask
that
if
I
am
not,
if
I
am
made
sure
that
it
is
in
a
certain
sense
work
as
a
team,
because
I
value
all
of
you
and
your
experience
and
work
as
well.
F
Yeah,
commissioner
mcguire,
thank
you
very
much
for
accepting
this
nomination.
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
lead
this
commission
and
I
think
that
your
last
comment
there
of
working
together
as
a
group
is
definitely
going
to
be
a
salient
one
for
the
next
few
months.
For
us,
I
would
happy
to
help
in
any
way
I
I
can
as
the
senior
commissioner
here,
but
also
as
the
chair
of
audit
subcommittee
anytime.
You
need
a
hand
there.
F
Just
let
me
know,
I
know
that's
not
a
question,
so
I
will
end
it
in
the
classic
phrase
of
isn't
that
right,
commissioner
mcguire,
and
so
it
is
now
a
question.
D
A
A
A
F
I
would
like
to
nominate
jordan
sparks
to
continue
to
maintain
his
role
as
a
vice
chair.
F
Their
point
of
information-
there
is
only
one
vice
chair
role-
is
that
correct.
F
B
Oh
keep
it
real
brief.
It's
been
my
pleasure
and
my
honor
to
serve
with
the
commission
for
as
long
as
I
have
coming
up
on
a
year
and
a
half,
and
it's
been
another
pleasure
and
an
honor
to
be
the
be
the
vice
chair.
I
have
to
say
that
I
do
not
have
the
capacity
at
this
time
to
serve
further
as
vice
chair.
Maybe
I
should
have
opened
with
that,
but
I
I
couldn't
accept
the
nomination
right
now,
although
I
do
have
full
confidence
in
commissioner
pinau
to
be
a
vice
chair.
F
Has
rejected
his
nomination
totally
understandable?
I'm
also
concerned
about
my
capacity,
but
since
I'm
the
only
remaining
nominee,
I
I'll
accept
it.
I
think
everybody
knows
that,
like
my
main
focus
of
being
on
here
is,
is
to
share
and
help
shepherd
through.
You
know
our
audits
and
evaluations
as
much
as
possible.
That's
I
would
like
for
that,
to
continue
to
be
my
main
focus,
but
if
again,
if
I
can
be
of
help
to
chair
mcguire
in
this
process,
then
I
I
will
accept
the
nomination.
A
A
If
there
is
no
doing
for
the
q
a
we
will
proceed
to
the
election
of
the
commission.
Vice
chair,
when
I
call
your
name,
please
respond
with
the
name
of
the
candidate
candidate
of
your
choice
to
serve
as
vice
chair.
A
majority
is
required
to
elect
an
officer.
G
I
elect
commissioner
pino.
A
D
E
E
B
Oh
all
right
thanks,
yes,
miss
mini.
I
I'm
curious
about
what
the
I
just
wanna
make
sure.
I
understand
the
timeline
for
new
commissioners
coming
on
board,
so
in
some
interviews
in
the
next
week
and
a
half
and
then
a
second
interview
phase
after
that
probably
puts
us,
do
you
think
july
to
have
people
sworn
in
and
appointed
or
what
are
you
thinking.
E
E
I'll
have
to
follow
up
on
with
that
again,
but
at
least
up
until
I
believe
it
was
thursday
that
that
him-
and
I
spoke
about
this-
that
it
would
be
mid-may.
B
Okay,
so
the
earliest
would
be
mid-may,
meaning
the
next
so
would
they
have?
Would
those
commissioners
have
a
they
would
have
a
training
meeting,
I
suppose
after
the
swearing-in
and
then
would
they
be
joining
us
in
the
june
meeting,
or
they
probably
would
miss
the
may.
B
Right
right
june
june,
meeting
or
maybe
july,
whatever
you're
thinking.
E
I
think
it
would
be
probably
june
I
would
have
to
talk
to
see
if,
if
there
is
a
meeting
that
needs
to
be
moved
in
order
for
an
orientation
to
take
place.
E
F
I
I
also
have
a
question
and
in
full
clarity
I
I
am
gonna-
be
one
of
those
applicants.
I'm
I'm
rehabbing
so
just
want
people
to
know
that
this
isn't
for
me
and
my
information,
but
just
generally
because
I've
heard
there's
inconsistencies
in
the
past
regarding
people
on
the
panel,
I
I
know
that
there's
meant
to
be
certain
types
of
city
representation.
On
these
interview
panels.
F
E
Sure
so
myself
I
will
be
in
in
those
interviews
and
you
andrew
another
member
from
his
staff,
someone
from
the
clerk's
office.
I
believe,
and
there
is
a
potential
from
a
staff
member
from
the
mayor's
office.
I'm
not
entirely
sure
who-
and
I
I
can't
verify
if,
if
they
have
accepted
or
not
that
that
was
the
plan,
at
least
but
at
least
from
our
office.
It
was
me
andrew
and
another
staff.
F
D
So
our
next
item
of
business
is
the
discussion
of
case
summaries
on
the
office
of
police
conduct,
review
that
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
is
posted
to
the
city's
website.
D
Are
there
specific
summaries
we'd
like
to
discuss,
and
I
think
I
would
like
to
open
the
discussion
to
how
or
I
would
like
to
note
as
a
point
of
discussion
later,
how
we
want
to
review
these
these
summaries?
Considering
I,
I
was
only
able
to
review
january
and
february
summaries,
but
I
want
to
open
up
to
the
other
commissioners
first,
if
there's
anything
specific,
they
would
like
to
discuss
with
the
posted
summaries.
G
D
Hearing
nothing,
I
think,
maybe
I
appropriate
time
to
discuss
more,
is
a
couple
items
down
on
our
agenda,
which
is
to
I
guess
it's
not
posted
on
the
public
agenda
now
that
I'm
looking
at
it,
but
it's
unless
there's
an
amended
one
that
I
don't
see
that
we
were
going
to
discuss
the
pcoc
and
its
mission.
So
I
I
would
like
to
kind
of
fold
that
into
that
discussion.
D
A
D
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
for
your
help.
I
think
I
would
so
one
of
our
items
of
business
is
to
discuss
the
pcoc
and
our
mission
moving
forward,
and
I
think
this
is
a
pertinent
discussion
item
considering
there's
a
change
in
case
summaries,
we're
having
issues
with
maintaining
membership,
and
you
know
even
just
quorum
of
the
pcoc.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
open
it
to
the
commissioners.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
commission
for
bringing
this
up
as
an
amendment
to
our
agenda.
This
was
they
continued
conversation
from
the
audit
subcommittee.
This
might
as
well
serve
as
the
majority
of
our
report
when
we
get
to
that
point.
You'll
see
that
it's
very
short
because
pcoc
work
has
essentially
stalled,
and
this
has
been
for
a
number
of
reasons,
the
majority
of
which
have
been
brought
up
in
detail
in
the
audit
subcommittee.
F
But
the
succinct
version
is
we
keep
hitting
roadblocks
on
either
lack
of
authority
within
what
is
we
understand
to
be
our
our
scope
and
authority
as
a
commission
or
a
second
point,
being
lack
of
staff
resources
in
order
to
achieve
in
a
pragmatic
way,
the
the
the
duties
that
are
charged
to
us,
and
I
I
thought
it
would
be
best
to
bring
this
up
as
a
discussion
for
the
commission
in
its
entirety,
because
what
is
our
purpose,
if
not
to
you,
know,
implement
and
follow
through
with
the
duties
that
we
have
in
our
our
charter?
F
Obviously,
this
is
kind
of
on
the
fly
right
now,
but
I
think
it
would
be
best
for
us
and
with
our
new
leadership,
to
begin
the
process
of
this
entire
commission
or
reforming
the
ordinance
subcommittee
of
this
commission,
we're
small
enough
now
we
might
as
well
do
it
as
a
full
group,
but
one
way
or
another,
taking
an
in-depth
look
at
our
ordinance
that
forms
the
pcoc
our
powers,
our
duties,
as
well
as
our
operating
rules
and
having
a
self-evaluation
to
look
at.
F
How
have
we
performed
in
the
past
two
years
in
my
experience
and
actually
completing
those
duties,
I'm
concerned
that
this
will
be
a
very
solemn.
You
know
process,
but
I
think
it's
a
necessary
one
for
us
to
grow
and
improve
as
a
commission-
and
I
I've
heard
from
my
colleagues
yourselves
that
you
feel
similarly-
and
I
think
now
is
as
good
a
time
as
any
to
stop
the
bleeding.
F
F
The
mayor
and
city
council
know
that
we're
struggling,
and
not
only
our
plans
internally
to
to
correct
that
within
our
own
capacity,
but
being
quite
frank
with
what
we
see
as
limitations
to
follow
through
on
those
responsibilities
that
we
have
and
a
fair
evaluation
of
what
we
believe
we
need
in
order
to
achieve
the
the
mandates
that
they
have
for
us.
I
know
it's
it's
an
undertaking,
but
I
think
at
this
point
because
of
the
lack
of
work
that
we've
been
able
to
produce
that
it's
necessary
yeah.
F
That's
that's
the
main
topic
of
this.
I
do
want
to
have
a
follow-up
point
regarding
about
staff
resources,
but
I
will
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now.
D
Thank
you
vice
chair
pino
for,
for,
I
think,
laying
it
out,
at
least
for
me,
that's
better
than
I
could
have
put
it
in
some
of
the
frustrations,
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
have
further
discussion.
But
I
I
I
don't
know
if
you
already
have
proposals
about
how
we
first
take
those
steps,
but
I
do
think
maybe
planning
out
a
more
directed
discussion
at
one
of
our
meetings
and
kind
of
treating
the
subcommittees.
As
all
of
us
right
now
is
going
to
be
part
of
that.
F
Yeah,
I
I
do
have
some
ideas,
some
of
which
have
been
very
plainly
stated,
as
needs
from
opcr
and
the
civil
rights
department
in
the
audit
subcommittee.
As
the
reasons
why
we
can't
you
know,
get
data
and
a
lot
of
this
comes
down
to
just
we
either
don't
know
if
we
have
the
authority
to
get
the
data
or
if
we
do
have
the
authority
to
get
the
data.
F
It
is
in
such
an
inaccessible
format
that
it's
not
realistic
for
us
to
be
able
to
do
meaningful
analysis
of
that
to
take
a
look
at
whether
or
not
policies
are
being
practiced,
the
way
that
they
ought
to,
and
that
is
really
concerning,
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
provide
modern
systems
in
order
for
us
to
do
our
jobs.
F
But
I
also
want
to
give
you
all,
as
as
my
peers,
opportunities
to
freshen
up
on
our
charter
and
our
operating
rules,
and
then
we
could
have
another
conversation
about
a
list
that
I
have.
Maybe
you
have
others
that
wouldn't
be
on
my
personal
list
of
things
that
need
to
change
and
things
that
this
pcoc
needs.
G
So
are
we
thinking,
I
mean
I,
I
totally
agree:
vice
versa
pinot
there,
but
are
we
thinking
timeline
wise?
The
actual
conversation
would
be
next
meeting
or.
F
I
mean,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
within
my
capabilities,
as
you
know
the
current
chair
of
the
audit
subcommittee,
but
this
is
something
that
you
know.
The
three
of
us,
jordan,
jordan
and
myself
are.
Are
the
audit
subcommittee
and
we're
all
here?
Having
this
conversation
we
could.
We
could
take
a
first
swing
at
it
and
bring
it
back
to
this
full
commission
and
maybe
get
commissioner
sylvester
in
here
as
well.
So
all
five
of
us
would
be
able
to
take
part
in
this
conversation.
F
I'd
rather
do
it
sooner
than
later,
but
as
vice
chair
and
along
with
our
new
chair,
I
think
it
also
would
be
important
for
us
to
start
logistically
having
you
know,
meetings
with
city,
council,
members
and
staff
about
this
in
parallel
with
these
conversations
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
this
but
yeah,
to
answer
your
question
that
yes,
we
could.
We
could
hash
things
out
right
here,
but
I
don't
think
people
are.
F
You
know
I,
I
know
not
everybody's
brushed
up
on
the
operating
rules
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I'd
like
to
give
you
guys
time
to
take
a
look
at
that.
Is
it
possible,
madam
clerk,
for
us
to
convene
a
special
meeting
between
now
and
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
A
I
believe
it
is
as
long
as
it's
properly
noticed.
F
A
A
F
B
Sure
thanks
would
it
be
out
of
line
to
kind
of
start
looking
at
that
tonight,
maybe
we
could
paint
some
broad
strokes
and
revisit
it
later.
D
I
think
that's
an
appropriate
part
of
this
discussion,
especially
since
we
have
our
entire
audit
committee
present,
I'm
hoping,
maybe
there's
you
might
have
some
good
starting
points
to
suggest.
Yeah.
F
Yeah,
I
guess
to
kick
things
off
there
and
you
know
just
to
make
sure
the
public
and
staff
understand
that
when
I
say
like
limited
staff
resources,
this
is
not
a
critique
on
on
staff
and
we
we've
tried
to
make
that
as
clear
as
possible
in
our
audit
subcommittee.
We
know
that
staff
are
doing
the
best
that
they
can
with
the
time
that
they
have
and
their
time
is
spread
thin.
F
One
concrete
example,
and
one
that
I
think
is
fairly
crippling
to
our
productivity,
is
the
the
system
by
which
data
is
processed
through
these.
These
complaints
that
are
coming
in
that
from
what
I
was
told
by
miss
amini
and-
and
I
think,
if
she
wants
to
to
provide
more
detail,
but
these
these
complaints
are
all
written
out,
handwritten
out
and
then
digitized,
but
they're
digitized
in
in
almost
the
picture
format,
none
of
it
is
in
individual
searchable
and
you
know
manipulatable
fields.
F
You
know
you
can't
look
at
any
demographic
information
or
any
you
know
individual
variables
for
us
to
then
look
up
even
basic
summary
data.
It's
a
part
of
a
longer
conversation
that
andrew
hawkins
has
reported
to
us
in
the
audit
subcommittee
that
they
have
been
trying
to
reassess
and
get
a
new
I.t
system
up
and
running,
and
that
that
is
one
of
those
issues
that
hopefully,
from
from
what
I
remember
in
audit
subcommittee,
conversations
might
be
fixed
in
the
near
future.
F
F
It
has
stalled
almost
all
of
our
work
that
has
been
referred
to
in
the
audit
subcommittee
and
in
in
my
opinion,
that
is
where
that's
the
work
that
I
I
find
most
interesting
and
fruitful
in
this
entire
endeavor,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
it
is.
You
know
it
is
practical
for
us
to
actually
be
pursuing
that
work
in
the
audit
subcommittee.
F
F
B
Yeah
so
christopher
peter,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
I
think
you
and
I
have
a
lot
of
the
same
thoughts.
I
just
think
you
articulate
them
in
a
more
palatable
way
than
I
do
so,
I'm
if
you
don't
think
of
it
as
you
taking
up
time.
I
think
you're
expressing
a
lot.
I
think.
F
F
I
think
we're
we're
beyond
what
tastes
good
in
the
palette.
At
this
point
you
know,
but
I
appreciate
it.
I
I
think
another
thing
that
you
know
I've
mentioned
before
that
you
know
we.
We
have
great
staff,
but
our
staff
have
primary
roles
in
other
departments
and
other
offices,
and
this
is
a
issue
of
police
oversight
that
is
just
so
important
to
the
city.
Yet
we
don't
have
a
single
exclusive
staff
person
to
help
assist
us
as
an
entity
exclusively
in
this
work.
F
We
we
are
lucky
enough
that
the
department
of
civil
rights
and
opcr
are,
you,
know,
kind
of
shared
within
nested.
F
Similarly,
within
the
same
portion
of
the
ordinance,
and
because
we
are
a
volunteer
commission
within
the
department
of
civil
rights,
we
get
to
share
some
of
those
resources,
but
those
resources
have
been
cut
in
recent
years
and
and
they
still
have
the
same,
if
not
more
responsibilities
than
they
have
had
in
previous
years,
and
so
that
means
less
work
that
can
be
done
towards
the
oversight
of
the
minneapolis
police
department
from
a
civilian-centric
lens.
F
That's
really
concerning
to
me,
and
you
know
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
constantly
fighting
for
that,
because
I,
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
we
only
really
have
one
individual.
Who
is
you
know
responsible
for
doing
all
of
our
audit
and
evaluation
on
top
of
his
other
duties.
B
Yeah,
that's
really
well
stated
and.
B
As
per
usual,
but
I
think
it's
it's
true
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
frustration
comes
from
and
again
I
can't
say
it
enough
times,
but
it's
not
that
frustration
that
we
feel
is
not
directed
that
any
individual
who
who
works
for
the
city
or
for
any
of
these
departments
or
even
at
you
know
the
the
departments.
It's
just
the
whole
system
become
so
difficult.
B
But
if
you
look
at
like
department
of
civil
rights,
for
example
like
we,
you
know
there
are
our
partners
in
all
of
this
and
some
of
the
core
responsibilities
that
you
know.
We
as
a
civilian
commission
rely
on
are
people
from
civil
rights,
filling
the
commission
helping
you
know,
make
the
appointees
keeping
us
full
performing
the
work,
joining
the
meetings
to
provide
updates,
processing
stipends
when
commissioners
request
them
and
unfortunately
the
department
has
struggled
in
all
of
those.
B
I
mean
the
whole
time
I've
been
here
and
I
think
that's
the
problem
that
precedes
me
and
I
I
can
only
speculate
as
to
the
root
cause,
but
I
think
it's
like
you
say
it
seems
to
come
down
to
just
lack
of
resources.
We
slide
to
the
bottom
of
the
totem
pole,
pretty
quick
and
it's
not
a
very
high
totem
pole,
there's
just
not
a
lot
of
bandwidth
on
these
teams.
F
I
hold
on.
Let
me
cite
my
pcoc
emails
here.
In
fact,
I
I
do
have
a
a
letter
from
andrew
hawkins
regarding
the
itn
and
systems.
F
I
know
mr
hawkins
and
I
had
intended
to
put
together
some
sort
of
some
sort
of
letter
that
would
be
communicated
to
the
appropriate
decision-making
body
to
help
support
opcr
from
pcoc's
perspective
in
getting
a
new
system,
and
that's
that's
one
of
those
things
of
you
know
it
bleeds
into
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
like
what
is
our
authority,
and
I
know
that
we've
had
we've
had
tension
in
the
past
between
members
of
this
pcoc
who
believe
they
have
a
certain
perspective
on
what
our
authority
is,
and
we
have
we're
getting
advice
from
council
that
we
have
a
different
authority.
F
F
Let's
talk
to
council
to
get
that
authority,
I
never
heard
any
result
from
that,
but
regardless
and
I
think
that's
a
small
example
of
this
point
of
saying
that
it
seems
like-
and
you
know
the
the
elephant
in
the
room
is
the
data
practices
act
right.
It
seems
like
we
have
this
organically
created
assumption
that
we
ought
to
have
an
authority
here
by
the
nature
of
our
desire
to
have
civilian
oversight
of
police.
F
F
We
need
to
find
resolution
between
those
two
differing
opinions,
because
that's
just
not
going
away
and
we
can
either
give
up
that
organic
opinion,
and
I
think
that
will
frankly
only
last
as
long
as
we
are
here
as
soon
as
you
know,
if
we
all
resigned
today
and
a
new
group
came
up,
they
will
make
the
same
assumption
over
again
and
then
this
fight
will
continue
or
we
need
to
come
to
a
realistic
way
in
which
there
can
be
some
achieved
oversight.
F
That
is
that
meets
that
organic
assumption
that
fits
within
the
legal
framework
of
of
what
the
city
attorney's
office
is
saying
has
to
meet.
You
know
and
exposing
that
for
what
it
is
and
communicating
it
to
the
only
entity
that
has
the
ability
to
do
that.
City
council
seems
to
be.
F
You
know,
a
a
dramatic
but
the
the
realistic
way
forward
to
meet
that
goal.
F
G
D
Give
the
opinion,
so
I
I'm
almost
seeing
that
we
need
to
I
do
after
our
discussion
of
limited
resources.
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
sounding
like
I'm,
creating
more
work,
but
it's
almost
like.
We
need
to
think
of
we
all
these
questions
we
need
answered
and
we
need
to
document
for
future
commissions
and
we
need
answers
from
the
city
attorney
first,
because
that
is
the
official
city
position
in
order
to
determine
whether
we're
asking
for
something
to
be
changed
or
not.
Am
I
right
or
does
that
sound
like
the
process.
F
Yeah,
I
I
would
love
to
yield
a
portion
of
my
time
to
to
joel
fussy.
If
you'd
like
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
here
and-
and
I
know
you
know,
the
types
of
conversations
we've
been
talking
about
and
you've
been
gracious
and
patient
with
us
to
communicate
you,
you
know
the
the
city
attorney's
office,
understanding
of
what
our
limits
are
and
you've
you've
been
here
longer
than
I
have
and
you've
seen
this
natural
progression
you
know
is
there,
is
there
a
way
that
we
can?
F
Yes,
we've
been
told
what
our
limits
are,
but
it's
clear
that
we
we
feel
like
there
are.
There
are
there's
a
job
left
undone
because
of
those
limits.
What
would
be
the
correct
process
by
which
we
gain
that
authority
in
an
appropriate
way.
H
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair.
I
guess
I
do
have
a
couple
thoughts
on
that.
I
would
know
one
of
the
obviously
you're
an
advisory
board
or
board
commission,
and
you
have
10
enumerated
areas
of
authority
under
the
existing
ordinance.
I
would
note
that
one
of
them,
the
number
10,
is
to
request
from
the
mayor
and
city
council,
the
appointment
of
such
staff,
as
is
necessary
to
carry
out
the
duties
of
the
commission.
So
that's
something
that's
right
there
that
you
have
explicit
authority
to
do
so.
H
So
I
would
encourage
you
if
you
have
thoughts
in
that
area,
to
take
advantage
of
that
area
of
authority.
I
would
note
if
we're,
if
we're
just
if
we're
just
speaking,
you
know
circles
around
the
issue
of
whether
this
commission
has
access
to
private
personnel
data.
I
would
posit
that
we've
spent
probably
every
month
that
hasn't
been
canceled
talking
in
one
way
or
another
about
that
issue.
That's
not
a
that's
a
long
settled
issue,
that's
an
issue
that
I
think,
as
the
clerk
casey
carl
once
said.
H
I
believe
this
commission
just
doesn't
like
the
answer
to
we've
been
explicitly
clear.
There
are
extensive
memorandum
from
human
resources
attorneys
in
my
office
and
on
various
public
records
of
various
meetings
over
the
past
two
years.
On
that
issue
that
that
opinion
is
not
going
to
change.
It
simply
is
not
so
then
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
expend
resources
looking
at
changing
certain
areas
of
the
state
statutes
with
regard
to
data
privacy?
H
Do
you
want
to
request
that
the
city
council
initiate
ordinance
amendments
which
is
certainly
within
the
authority
or
things
that
you
could
do
that
you
could
do,
but
I
think
it
is
disingenuous
to
say
that
it's
this
issue
that's
been
unresolved,
it's
been
met
squarely
and
repeatedly,
and
I
think,
quite
frankly,
the
commission
has
been
hung
up
on
this,
where
staff
and
the
city
attorney's
office
has
been
crystal
clear
literally
for
years
on
this
issue,
and
that's
where
we're
at.
H
F
I
I
do
apologize,
mr
fussy,
I
don't
mean
to
say
that
your
position
is
unresolved.
You
guys
have
absolutely
been
crystal
clear
on
that.
I
think
the
frustration
and
you
are
you're
right
to
a
certain
extent.
Yeah.
We
don't
like
the
answer
and
personally
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
whole
commission.
F
Personally,
I
feel
I
feel
a
duty
to
look
at
certain
trends
of
police
practices
and
conducts
that
by
the
the
standards
you
know
by
the
the
decision,
not
decision.
My
apologies
by
the
the
nature
of
the
data
is
defined
as
private
and
it
seems
to
be
per
per
year
and
the
city
attorney's
opinion
that
that's
outside
our
scope,
and
so
I'm
the
the
the
discourse
you
know
and
and
lack
of
resolution
is
within
our
body
is
we
feel
like
we
have
one
end
of
saying:
hey.
F
You
have
this
responsibility
to
to
look
into
this,
and
you
know
you
should
be
looking
into.
You
know
important
things
that
are
happening
with
police
information
and
get
access.
You
know
you
ought
to
get
access
to
police
data,
and
yet
the
the
rules
are
the
case
that
you're
not
allowed
and-
and
that's
I
hope
that
clarifies
the
discourse
that
I
described
and.
F
I
guess
that
that
part
of
what
you
just
mentioned
right
there,
the
you
know
use
of
resources
to
either
amend
ordinance
or
you
know
effectively.
Campaign
for
changes
at
the
state
level
are
those
are.
What
you
would
say
are
are
the
two
avenues
forward.
If
you
know,
given
that
opinion
that
that
you
know
we,
we
have
a
mismatch
between
what
our
authority
is
and
sure
what
we
feel
you
know
we're
being
charged
with.
H
Sure-
and
I
I
appreciate
and
understand
that
that
that
clarification-
what
I
would
say
is
that's
that's
one
avenue,
but
I
think
the
primary
avenue
out
there
and
I
apologize
because
I
try
to
avoid
getting
into
policy
recommendations.
I
don't
view
it
necessarily
as
as
my
role,
but
I
I
will
say,
based
on
my
experience
on
this
commission
over
a
number
of
years.
H
I
think
you
have
a
wide
swath
of
authority
and
the
main
the
main
area
of
authority
you
have
is
to
review
and
audit
summary
and
aggregate
data
regarding
crime,
programs,
research
and
study
patterns
of
behavior
and
things
along
those
lines,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
changes
are
can
take
place
based
on
a
research
and
study
program
into
those
sorts
of
areas.
H
Past
commissions
were
probably
the
first
in
the
state
to
initiate
a
research
and
study
program
into
body,
worn
cameras
that
didn't
rely
upon
individual
private
personnel
data
or
private
data
that
relied
upon
summary
and
aggregate
data
to
develop
recommendations
which
were
almost
in
the
whole
adopted
by
the
minneapolis
police
department,
and
then,
I
think,
later
were
fully
adopted
by
the
minneapolis
police
department
in
which
paved
the
way,
for
I
think
the
state
law
that's
out
there
now.
So
I
think,
there's
a
wide
area
of
authority
that
you
have
that,
quite
frankly,
you've.
H
I
think
the
commission
has
avoided
over
the
past
number
of
months
when
there's
fertile
ground
there.
You
have
complete
autonomy
and
authority
to
res
to
look
into
and
to
make
recommendations,
specific
recommendations
regarding
any
police
policy.
I
think
that
can
be
based
almost
entirely
upon
data,
and
now
you
I
do
believe
you
have
a
very
good
point
in
terms
of
okay.
What's
the
best
way
that
we
can
get
meaningful
and
useful
summary
aggregate
data,
that's
not
private
personnel
data.
F
I
I
think,
that's
fair
and
I
I
appreciate
your
perspective
on
you
know
the
the
difference
between
that
individualized
private
data
and
the
aggregate
data.
My
you
know,
my
only
concern
is
that
that
we
do
have
instances
where
we're
we're
told
categorically.
No,
and
I-
and
I
think
that
if
that
is
the
nature
of
this,
this
commission,
that
we
we
just
don't
have
responsibility
to
or
we
don't
have
the
authority
I
I
would
love
to
start
having
either
either
a
personal
understanding
or
a
pattern
of
practice
in
this
commission
of
ye.
F
This
is
off
limits
to
you.
You
know
as
a
commission,
but
it
isn't
off
limits
to
other
people
and
in
trying
to
find
a
way
to
achieve
those
goals
and
get
the
information
aggregated
in
some
way
that
it
is,
is
possible.
You
know
it
you
know
is
achievable.
If
the
data's
there,
then
someone's
got
to
be
able
to
do
that
work
right,
even
if
we're
just
asking
for
the
appropriate
person
to
do
that.
Work
that
to
me
is
better
than
just
you
know.
F
The
reason
why
we're
getting
stuck
on
it
personally
is
because
I
I
feel
like
I'm
just
hearing
nope,
don't
even
ask-
and
I
I
want
I
want
everyone
to
be
working
together
to
you-
know,
hear
an
interesting
question
and
find
the
appropriate
avenue
to
find
an
answer
to
that
interesting
question
is
that
is
that
fair
and
not
to
you
know,
put
you
on
the
spot?
I
could
generally
say
that
to
the
group
that
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that's
that's
what
I
want.
I
you
know.
D
I
know
it
is
frustrating
we
that
we
do
seem
to
keep
going
around
on
this,
and
I
I've
said
this
before,
and
I
think
you
know
frustrating
on
everyone's
part
is
that
we're
a
volunteer
commission
that
gets
new
members
every
two
years,
so
it
does
feel
like
we're
we're
kind
of
behind
the
learning
curve
and
trying
to
catch
up
and
that
that
is
one
reason
why
we're
asking
these
questions,
but
I
also
appreciate
going
through
them
again
and
again,
because
sometimes
our
questions
can
slightly
differ
and
I
want
to
have
maybe
a
a
goal.
D
Moving
forward
is
well
trying
to
document
document
the
reasons
better.
So,
even
if
we're
not
getting
you
know
much
progress
under
what
our
current
authority
is,
is
that
whoever
steps
in
after
us
will
hopefully
not
have
to
go
through
that
process
again.
F
Well,
how
do
we,
as
a
commission,
want
to
have
our
next
steps
in
documenting
these
concerns
appropriately
and
making
sure
that
you
know
we
aren't
just
having
the
same
meeting
next
month?
That
sounds
just
like
this
one.
You
know
do
we
want
to
have
it
be?
Do
we
want
to
go
as
extreme
of
setting
up
a
you
know,
a
special
meeting
to
document
this
all
down
you
know,
has
someone
been
taking
notes
and
want
to
draft
up
a
you
know,
a
draft
letter
of
some
sort?
F
D
My
initial
thoughts
is
it's
worthwhile
for
all
of
us
to
take
time
to
review
the
ordinances
and
maybe
bring
back
into
the
wreck.
I
know
we
have
them
in
past
meeting
agendas,
but
the
I
do
recall
some
of
the
opinions
that
attorney
fussy
was
discussing
is,
I
think
we
need
to.
I
don't
know
that
we've
had
a
discussion
of
all
that
together
at
one
time
right,
so
we
review,
we
have
questions
that
we
want
answered
or
to
discuss
more
between
us.
D
D
C
G
B
Is
happening,
I
think
we
have
the
opportunity
to
have
one
or
maybe
more,
maybe
we
have
more
than
one,
but
you
know
the
special
meetings
where
we
can
tackle
this
more
quickly
and
still
give
ourselves
a
little
time
to
research
and
think
and
breathe
that
could
be
effective.
So
I'd
be
a
fan
of
that
approach.
Personally,.
D
G
Yeah
no,
I
I
definitely
agree
with
commissioner
sparks
it'd,
be
great
to
do
a
special
meeting
and
focus
on
the
ordinances
and
have
that
discussion.
D
Well,
I
think
that's
clear,
thank
you
both
that
perhaps
the
special
meeting
will
be
helpful,
any
other
issues
that
you
all
wanted
to
discuss.
D
Hearing
nothing
I
did
want
to
discuss
because
we
haven't
really
been
had
the
opportunity
to
discuss
case
summaries
this
year.
So
I
would
like
you
all
your
opinions
and
how
we
want
to
go
forward
with
this.
Do
we
want
to
dedicate
a
good,
perhaps
a
good
chunk
of
time
going
over
various
months?
D
I
don't
I
don't
stepping
into
this
role
today.
I
don't
have
this
well
thought
out,
just
that.
I
think
we
do
have
a
lot
of
case
summaries
that
we
we
do
need
to
review
in
some
fashion
and
also
I
I'm
sorry
to
to
call
opcr
back
in,
but
I
only
see
january
in
february,
so
I'm
wondering
if,
if
I'm
the
only
one
that
sees
that
or
if
we
will
be
anticipating
that
multiple
months
will
be
available
within
the
next
month
before
our
next
meeting.
F
I
I
see
looking
at
the
links
that
I'm
putting
in
chat,
I
see
four
months.
Okay,.
B
D
I
think
you're
right
because
it
just
the
link
came
up
with
just
two
months
for
me,
so
that
might
be
a
me
problem.
However,
I
we
haven't
had
a
discussion
today,
we
haven't
really
had
a
discussion
of
case
summaries
this
year.
I
don't
quite
have
a
good
proposal
right
now
thought
through
of
how
we
want
to
address
this.
Does
anyone
have
any
initial
thoughts.
F
I
can
kind
of
give
you
know
my
recollection
of
case
summaries
and
how
the
the
nature
of
the
conversations
went
beforehand.
If
that
would
be
helpful.
F
So
remember,
there
was
an
old
version
which
I'm
not
even
gonna
try
to
describe,
but
essentially
you
know,
pcoc
was
shown
a
series
of
you
know
snippets
if
you
will,
and
even
just
if
it
was,
you
know
two
sentences
worth
of
a
description
of
a
certain
complaint
and
those
were
ten
of
them.
We
were
asked
as
a
group
to
pick
three.
F
I
believe
and
then
case
summaries
would
be
created
from
that
which
were
similar
to
the
case,
summaries
that
we
have
here
and
the
at
this
point
in
time.
F
In
the
process
we
would
have
someone
from
opcr
walk
us
through
each
of
those
case
summaries,
and
then
we
would
have
you
know
roughly
about
five
to
ten
minutes
of
kind
of
question
and
answer
to
see
if
we
could
pull
out
a
quirks
inconsistency,
differences
between
policy
and
practice
where
we
might
want
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
more
and
try
to
understand.
Is
this
something
systemic?
Was
this
an
isolated
case?
F
F
You
know,
pass
the
idea
that
police
officers
sometimes
miss
when
they're,
you
know
required
to
go
to
court,
and
you
know
present,
you
know
their
role
in
in
a
court
proceeding
right
or
that
they
were
going
to
be
in
the
audience
in
some
way
and
observing
what
was
going
on,
because
they're
related
to
the
case
in
some
way,
and
they
either
were
there
or
not
there,
and
that
sort
of
inconsistency
of
being
present
or
not
being
present
was
of
interest
to
one
of
the
commissioners,
and
we
asked
if
someone
could
dig
into
it.
F
You
know-
or
you
know
things
like
you
know
the
frequency
of
bicycle
related
incidents,
which
was
a
question
that
I
had
like
two
years
ago,
just
being
like.
Why
why
we
care
about
bicycle,
related
incidents
and
kind
of
it
was
much
more
of
an
academic
discussion
of
saying.
Well,
if
the
rates
of
bicycle
related
incidents
are
concerned
for
you,
you
can
ask
about
it,
you
know
kind
of
a
a
more.
F
You
know
take
a
inquisitive,
curious
approach
to
these
and
and
that
sort
of,
like
you
know,
natural
spark
that
natural
curiosity,
I
think,
lends
itself
to
these.
F
E
I'm
gonna
keep
my
camera
off
because
my
computer
seems
to
be
freezing.
So
if
I
understood
you
right
vice
chair,
you
want
me
to
walk
how
our
new
process
is
going.
F
No,
I
think
what
I
what
I
was
kind
of
asking,
if
you
would
mind
kind
of
just
talking
us
through
each
of
the
the
case
summaries
and
if,
to
the
extent
that
you
are
able
to
answer
any
questions
that
we
might
have
regarding
any
you
know
specific
one
of
the
summaries
that
we
can.
We
can
get
a
better
understanding
of
for
ourselves
about
what
happened
in
each
of
these
instances.
F
F
We
have
the
five
for
april
that
are
here,
you
know,
do
we
want
to
just
walk
through
these
one
by
one,
and
that
is
how
we
used
to
do
it,
and
I
I
don't
you
know,
want
to
presume
that
that's
the
way
we
have
to
continue
to
do
it,
but
that's
a
old
dog
old
trick.
I
guess.
E
Okay,
yes,
I
can
walk
through
the
the
april.
D
H
No,
I
did
want
to
pop
in
just
to
remind
the
commission
that
you
did
approve
the
new
process
just
a
number
of
months
ago,
which
involved
an
amendment
to
your
rules,
so
I
I
think,
we've
again,
I
think
we've
been
over
this
territory.
The
whole
process
was
specifically
amended
by
majority
vote
of
this
commission
and
a
new
process
was
adopted.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
realized
that
I
it
was
more.
I
want
to
touch
on
this
because
we've
also
had
lack
of
quorum
and
other
issues,
so
we
kind
of
have
some
unvisited
case
summaries,
and
I
do
appreciate
everyone
reminding
me
of
what
we
have
where
we're
at
and
so
miss
amini.
I,
if
you
are
amenable
to
it,
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
go
through
the
cases
in
the
meeting
in
in
a
deliberate
fashion,
but
before
we
have
you
do
that,
I
just
did
the
commissioners.
Do
you
have
any
other
thoughts.
A
E
Where,
where
to
find
this,
I
I
guess
I
should
start
off
by
asking.
A
B
E
Okay,
so
so
I
I
will
start
with
the
first
one
like
I
like
I
mentioned
21-16.
This
is
a
complaint
that
came
in
internally.
E
E
Looting,
women
end
quote
that
email
then
further
included
other
images,
screenshots
of
that
officer's
public
facebook
page
and
then
an
article
was
subsequently
published
that
day
or
the
within
a
few
hours
the
following
day.
So
it
the
case
came
into
opcr.
E
Our
intake
investigators
reviewed
it,
and
if
you
were
to
scroll
down
for
the
summary
of
the
investigation,
because
it
came
from
a
social
media
post,
we
don't
necessarily
have
a
busy
net
or
a
police
report,
because
it
did
not
result
in
a
call
for
service.
So
there
isn't
a
police
like
what
we
call
a
ccn
or
a
police
report
number
for
that.
E
But
what
we
were
able
to
use
was
the
complainant
statements,
the
screenshots
that
I
had
mentioned
from
that
officer's
facebook
page
and
any
other
documents
that
we
had
used
to
properly
identify
that
officer
and
this
in
the
second
portion
again,
because
it
was
not
a
ccn
or
a
call
for
service.
We
don't
have
body
one
camera
and
there
wasn't
any
existing
squad
video
or
what
we
call
mvr
the
mobile
video
recorder.
E
The
review
panel
found
merit
on
the
three
allegations
that
were
tied
to
this
case,
which
was
5-102
code
of
ethics,
5-105
c2,
which
is
a
professional
code
of
conduct,
and
then
the
review
panel
also
found
merit
on
the
last
one,
which
is
the
social
media
policy.
7-119-481.
E
So
the
review
panel
reviews
it
and
then
it
goes
up
to
what
we
call
the
front
office
or
the
chief's
office,
but
before
the
chief
was
able
to
impose
any
discipline
that
that
officer
actually
separated
from
the
department.
E
So
if,
if
you
look
at
the
front,
the
first
page,
that's
why
it
says
at
the
mpd
outcome
that
there
was
no
discipline
issue,
because
the
officer
had
separated
from
the
department
before
anything
was
imposed.
But
the
pcrp,
the
police
conduct
review
panel
did
find
merit
on
all
three
allegations.
F
I
do
have
a
question.
I
have
two
in
fact.
F
First,
being
miss
amini,
I
I've
never
seen
a
social.
You
know
a
use
of
the
social
networking
policy
before
is
this,
you
know
common,
or
is
this
an
uncommon
instance
as
far
as
like
looking
through
these
case
summaries
and
then
the
the
second
is,
you
said
this
originated
internally?
You
know
these
are
internal
allegations
is,
is
there
a
a
difference
in
timeliness
between
an
internal
allegation
and
a
allegation
that
is
filed
by
a
member?
E
That's
an
excellent
question
and
I'm
glad
that
you
asked
that
no,
there
is
no
difference
when,
when
a
civilian,
for
example,
does
a
complaint
form
online,
it
goes
to
the
same
bucket
as
when
a
complaint
internally
comes
in.
E
There
are
two
ways
of
of
how
we
can
get
information
is,
is
one
through
that
online
portal
or
the
police
review
inbox,
and
then
it
it
kind
of
varies
on
on
what
is
being
used
most
often
but
ev.
We
we
look
at
both
of
those
avenues
every
every
morning
and
all
those
cases
that
we
get
through
those
two
avenues
are
put
in
that
same
day
and
there
is
no
priority
within
opcr
to
to
do
one
or
the
other
before
the
other
one.
E
And
get
those
through
the
joint
supervisors
and
to
answer
your
first
question:
no,
this
does
not
happen.
At
least
opcr
is
not
aware
of
so
many
instances
that
involves
social
media
policy
violations
within
mpd.
It
doesn't
happen
as
frequently
as
as
say
other
violations
like
a
like
a
bwc
or
a
code
of
conduct,
for
example,.
F
E
Yes,
that
policy
is
really
it
is
pretty
new,
it's
a
few
years
old,
but
it
kind
of
from.
Of
course,
this
is
me
speaking
without
looking
at
any
concrete
data
as
to
the
regularity,
but
from
what
I've
seen
in
my
time
in
intake
it,
I
don't,
I
don't
believe
it
has
increased
or
decreases
just
relatively
stayed
the
same
in
the
amount
of
cases
that
we
kind
of
get
for
the
specific
policy
violation.
B
Thanks,
I
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
employee
separation,
so
I
understand
that
this
is
the
department
no
longer
no
longer
pursues
discipline
when
an
employee
separates.
B
I
was
having
trouble
remembering
if
that
was
strictly
like
a
department
policy
or
if
that
was
something
that
was
applicable
under
state
law
like
is
that
common
in
the
state
or
how
big
is
the
probably
not
using
the
right
word,
but
how
big
is
the
jurisdiction
for
that?
I'm
sure
we've
discussed
that
before,
but
I
could
use
a
reminder
if
anybody
knows.
E
Well,
if,
for
example,
if
an
officer
leaves
for
for
whatever
reason,
there
are
multiple
many
reasons
why
an
officer
would
leave
mpd,
but
if
they
were
to
come
back
to
mpd
as
as
an
officer
any
previous,
like
kind
of
pending
cases
like,
for
example,
this
could
affect
their
rehiring
as
an
officer.
But
I
I
don't
know
how
to
answer
that
question.
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
this
would
affect
on
a
state
level,
I'm
not
sure.
B
Yeah,
I
guess
maybe
what
I'm
getting
at
is
like.
So
this
so
an
officer
who,
let's
say,
there's
a
complaint
and
then
there's
merit
to
the
complaint.
They
can
resign.
Their
in
theory
resign
their
position,
maybe
that,
but
they
could
in
theory,
be
hired
back
at
a
later
time
or
they
could
be
hired
by
another
department
in
the
state
or
in
another
state,
and
maybe
in
that
instance
the
the
issue
may
not
follow
them.
There.
E
Potentially,
yes,
I
I
guess
it
depends
on
the
other
agency
doing
their
due
diligence
and
and
checking
any
histories.
If
again,
their
police
departments
vary
greatly
right
on
on
what
is
disclosed,
so
I
I
would
depend
on
if
they
do
apply
for
a
different
agency.
If
that
agency
checks.
B
Where
do
they
check?
Do
they
reach
out
to
you
to
check?
Is
there
a
database?
Do
you
know
how
that's
handled.
E
It's
not
through
us,
it's
not
through
opcr,
I'm.
That
would
be
a
good
question
for
a
records
department.
It
might
be
them,
but
I
can't
say
for
sure.
B
Thank
you,
but
I
had
a
quick
question
about
the
watermark.
I
know
it
says.
Draft
example
only
is
that,
because
we
haven't
formally
accepted
this
new
process
yet.
F
I
do
have
a
follow-up
question:
if
it's
not
too
bothersome.
What
do
you
know
if
you
know
we
switched
that
same
question
that
commissioner
sparks
had
around
when
we
are
hiring?
You
know
officers
who
have
previous
police
experience
in
other
jurisdictions.
F
E
Well,
it's
not
opcr
mpd
has
their
own
kind
of
mini
hr
team.
That
would
be
a
good
question
to
to
ask
them.
Okay,
we
have
never
been
involved
in
the
hiring
process
of
any
mpd
officer
that
I'm
aware
of
at.
F
Cool,
I
mean
that's,
I
think
you,
you
stumbled
on
a
really
interesting
question.
I
think,
commissioner
sparks
this
idea
of.
Like
you
know,
past
infringement
at
different
jurisdictions,
you
know
or
different
places
of
business,
for
police
officers.
D
E
I
don't
believe
I'm
aware
of
any
again.
That
would
be
a
great
question
for
whoever
isn't
is
responsible
for
the
hiring
of
recruits
or
rehiring
of
an
officer.
I
really
don't
know.
D
E
Absolutely
so
the
next
one
is
21-17.
E
So
this
is
a
complaint
of
that
came
from
a
civilian
where
the
civilian
was
trying
to
pull
up
to
her
to
her
home,
and
she
was
driving
on
17th
avenue
and
28th
street
when
she
realized
that
a
part
of
the
road
was
closed,
except
for
residents
that
lived
in
the
area
she
pulled
through
27th
street
an
officer
had
walked
up
to
to
her
window
and
per
the
complaint.
She
stated
that
the
officer
started
yelling
at
her
and
told
her
that
she
couldn't
be
there.
E
The
complainant
then
alleged
that
that
officer
or
she
had
informed
that
officer
that
she
does
in
fact
live
there
and
by
the
way
that
the
conversation
went
with
the
officer,
she
felt
like
the
officer
treated
her,
as
quote
a,
and
she
then
noticed
that
the
her
other
neighbors
had
attempted
to
also
go
through
the
same
intersection.
A
few
minutes
later
so
again
in
intake
sees
this
in
in
their
queue.
They
open
the
case
and
start
investigating.
E
E
So
we
we
try
and
look
at
all
those
cad
calls
for
the
day
and
see
if
there
was
a
call
for
service
in
that
intersection
at
this.
In
this
particular
case,
we
didn't
see
one,
so
we
then
decided
to
okay.
Well,
let's
look
at
every
single
police
report
that
was
generated
that
day
because
she
doesn't
in
the
complaint
describe
if,
if
it
was
like
a
road
closure
due
to
construction
or
if
it's
a
road
closure
due
to
an
accident
for
example,
so
we
so
we
look
at.
E
We
look
at
everything
that
was
created
that
day
by
every
officer
within
that
precinct,
we
could
not
find
anything
within
that
intersection.
So
our
next
step
is
well.
Let's
look
at
workforce
director,
which
is
basically
like
a
staffing
calendar
that
mpd
uses.
So
then
we
see
okay.
Well,
these
were
all
of
the
officers
that
were
working
that
day
through
midshift
and
day
shift.
By
doing
that,
we
are
then
able
to
track
what
squads
were
assigned
to
what
officer,
and
where
did
those
squads?
E
Where
were
those
squads
that
day,
so
we
could
not
find
a
squad
that
was
parked
or
had
travel
through
that
intersection
at
the
time
that
that
she
had
placed
in
the
complaint.
E
And
then,
lastly,
after
going
through
all
of
that,
we
still
have
to
check
if,
if
there
were
any
body-worn
camera
activations,
if,
if
the
interaction
that
she
had
described,
that
officer
should
have
turned
on
their
body,
worn
camera.
So
we
checked
all
of
those
officers
that
were
listed
in
workforce
director,
all
of
those
officers
that
had
responded
to
calls
for
service
for
that
day.
E
So
I
so
the
vizinet
information,
the
workforce
and
director
information
and
going
through
every
officer
and
seeing
if
they
had
turned
on
their
camera
to
hopefully
see
if
they
capture
that
interaction.
We
didn't
see
anything
so
with
with
all
of
that
in
mind.
We
realized
that
there
is
no
ccn
or
excuse
me,
police
report
number.
There
is
no
body
worn
camera.
E
The
only
thing
that
we
have
is
the
initial
complaint
statement,
so
we,
the
intake
team,
then
goes
and
presents
that
information
to
the
joint
supervisors,
joint
supervisors
review
all
the
work
that
they
have
done
and,
throughout
the
course
of
of
that
conversation
they
realize
that
an
officer
could
not
be
identified
through
the
normal
process.
E
So
then
the
the
case
was
decided
at
the
joint
supervisors.
That
it
would
be
closed,
dismissed.
E
D
G
All
right
cool:
can
you
hear
me
this
one's
interesting
because
there's
demographics
attached
to
it
is
for
the
demographics?
Is
that
the
officer
or
is
that
the
complaintant.
E
Those
are
the
self-reported
demographics
that
the
complainant
provides
in
each
complaint
form.
G
All
right
gosh,
I
didn't
see
the
last
one
okay.
Well,
that's
that's
essentially
what
I
was
looking
to
know
and
then
there
was
it
was
just
non-conclusive.
So
there
was
just
no
conclusion
to
this.
One
that
got
thrown
out
essentially.
E
Right
because
we,
through
through
our
extensive
process,
we
were
still
unable
to
identify
an
mpd
officer
and
the
previous
complaint.
The
previous
case
summary
didn't
have
demographics,
because
it
was
an
internal
complaint.
G
E
D
Commissioner,
pino
before
your
vice
chair
pino
before
you
ask
your
question,
I
wanted
to
ask
the
demographic
for
race
are
in
quotes,
but
they're
not
in
other
ones.
That
I've
seen.
Is
that?
Because
it's
a
you
know
it's
not
a
list
or
a
drop
down
menu?
Is
that
right?
She
typed
it
in
great
right.
Thank
you
by
sherpino.
F
There
was
a
way
in
which
you
phrased
a
report
that
made
me
think
about
okay,
so
that
there's
the
rule
for
body,
worn,
camera
anytime,
you
have
an
interaction
right.
You
got
to
turn
it
on.
That's
that's
the
policy.
Is
there?
F
F
You
know
person
was
driving
in
an
area
where
she,
you
know
felt
she
could
go.
The
officer
felt
otherwise
they
interacted
right.
Is
there
a
minimum
threshold
from
the
officer's
perspective
to
write
a
report?
Does
that
even
make
sense.
F
E
And
and
it
would
be
4-6
or
4-602
within
the
pmp,
it
gives
specific
guidelines
of
when
you
should
write
a
report
and-
and
it
doesn't
always
necessarily
coincide
with
when
an
officer
needs
to
activate
their
bwc.
E
So
specifically,
the
b
the
bwc
policy
is
more
expansive
in
the
in
a
sense
where,
if
you
have
an
interaction
with
a
civilian
that
doesn't
include,
you
know,
directions
or
any
kind
of
help
around
the
city.
In
terms
of
you
know,
where
do
I
go
kind
of
stuff
like
that?
You
should
turn
on
your
body,
worn
camera,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
every
interaction
that
you
have
with
a
civilian
does
not
mean
that
you
have
to
write
a
report.
F
D
Okay,
hearing
none
miss
amini.
Could
you
please
proceed
to
the
next
one.
E
Absolutely
that
is
the
next
one
is
21-18.
E
So
the
complaint
came
in.
This
is
also
another
external
complaint
from
a
civil
civilian
where
an
officer
was
quote
aggressive
and
put
a
knee
on
their
neck
and
trying
to
pin
their
face
on
the
ground
after
being
cuffed
and
said
that
too
much
force
after
being
cuffed,
that
that
was
the
the
summary
of
of
that
individual's
complaint.
So,
of
course,
intake
receives.
It
pulls
up
the
vizzinet
and
the
police
report
and
the
vizzinet
had
opened
up
as
the
problem.
So
when,
when
we
state
problem
it's,
how
is
the
busynet
categorized?
E
So
it
was
originally
categorized
as
on-site,
meaning
that
there
was
someone
on-site
at
that
location
that
had
generated
a
call
for
service.
The
call
type
was
then
updated
to
a
suspicious
person
and
then
reclassified
as
an
officer
needs
help
call.
So
the
call
log
indicates
that
there
was
just
one
officer
that
had
arrived
on
scene
at
7,
51
p.m
and
and
responded
alone.
So
that's
what
they
like
to
call
when,
when
an
officer
is
writing
able,
meaning
he's
the
only
person
in
that
squad,
he
doesn't
have
not
have
a
partner.
E
Two
minutes
later
there
was
a
call
to
assist
that
respon
that
initial
responding
officer
and
requested
that
additional
squads
arrive
at
the
scene,
which
they
do
a
few
minutes
later
so
in
the
police
report
that
was
then
generated
after
this
incident
had
mentioned.
And
of
course
this
is
the
public
section
of
the
report
where
there
was
an
officer
that
was
flagged
down
by
a
security
officer.
Working
at
a
liquor
store
requested
that
an
individual
be
trespassed.
E
The
officer
responds
to
that
and
states
that
the
individual
that
was
there
didn't
want
to
cooperate
with
a
trespass
notice
process
and
then
became
uncooperative
with
the
officer.
E
The
individual
was
placed
under
arrest
and
then
booked
at
hennepin
county
jail
for
obstruction
and
then
the
other
cooperating
information
was
the
init
initial
complaint
statements
and
then,
of
course,
the
bwc.
E
The
complainant's
elbow
is
bleeding
officer
the
that's
when
the
secondary
officers
start
arriving
and
the
complaint
is
then
moved
in
the
direction
of
the
squad
and
then
there's
an
another
conversation
that
ensues
between
that
primary
officer
and
the
complainant,
where
he
he's
stating
that
he
didn't
do
anything
wrong
and
asked
why
the
officer
is
so
aggressive
and
then
the
complainant
is
then
secured
in
the
squad
and
then
taken
to
hennepin
county
jail.
E
So
in
viewing
all
of
that,
it
is
then
provided
to
to
intake.
The
joint
supervisors
then
agree
that
the
complainant,
that
excuse
me
that
the
complaint
warranted
an
admin
investigation
and
then
a
sworn
investigator
is
then
assigned
and
then
much
like
the
the
other
process.
They
they
go
through
all
the
relevant
evidence.
The
complaint
they
interview,
the
complainant
interview
the
focus
officer,
all
the
additional
evidence
to
be
the
body-worn
camera,
the
police
reports,
etc.
E
F
I
I
do
just
just
from
the
instance-
and
I
know
you
know-
our
purpose
here
is
to
look
at
trends
and
kind
of
ex
use
this,
as
you
know,
a
sample
to
try
to
expand
out
onto
so
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
that
rather
than
dig
into
you
know,
what's
going
on
with
this
case
in
particular,
something
does
kind
of
stand
out
to
me.
F
The
the
phrase
in
the
middle
of
the
body
worn
camera
paragraph
the
complainant
begins
to
yell,
can
I
breathe
and
the
officer
can
be
seen
moving
their
knee
from
the
complainant's
head,
slash
neck
to
between
the
complaint
shoulders?
That's
that's
implying
that
the
officer's
knee
was
on
the
complainant's
head
and
neck,
and
and
obviously
that
brings
cause
for
concern-
and
I
know
that
you
know-
we've
we've
implemented
changes
in
policy
in
recent
years
that
prohibits
neck
restraints.
F
Not
allowing
any
pressure
to
the
neck
throat
or
windpipe
is
what
I'm
seeing
here
and
sorry
I'm
trying
to
dig
through
the
policy
manual.
It's
in
section
k
of
I
think
5
300
use
of
force.
F
And
I
guess
to
you
know,
turn
this
into
a
trends
question
is,
it
is
seeing
that,
and
you
know
I
I
believe,
you're
the
person
who
who
wrote
this
up
miss
amini
right,
the
the
body,
one
camera
review
paragraph
so
like
those
are
your
words.
F
It
is
since
the
you
know
in
the
past
two
years,
have
you
seen
a
noticeable
change
in
the
use
of
force
around
head
and
neck
of
people
who
are
being
detained?
It
is
it
and
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
get
your
opinion
on
on
it.
It
seems
a
surprise
to
me
that
that
phrase
is
in
there
and
that
it
wasn't
just
your
eyes
noticing
it,
but
it
was
the
other.
F
You
know
other
people
who
are
looking
at
that
body,
one
camera
footage
saw,
I
assume,
saw
the
same
thing
that
you
saw
yet
the
outcome
is
that
the
there's
no
merit
you
know.
So
I
guess
just
generally
the
trend
of
use
of
force
around
the
head
and
neck
era.
E
Sure,
well,
to
be
frank,
the
the
statement
is
in
there
because
that
that
is
what
happened.
So
that's
why
it's
included
in
the
case
summary,
but
to
to
broadly
answer
that
question
instances
like
this
and
again,
I'm
I'm
only
speaking
from
my
own
experience
with
opcr.
E
This
is
not
something
that
happens
that
we
that
we
have
seen
in
the
complaints
that
come
into
opcr,
not
something
that
that
is
that
happens
often
specifically
with
with
where
the
officer
had
placed
their
body
on
the
complainant
or
a
suspect
or
or
anyone.
I
have.
I
personally
have
not
seen
that
type
of
body
position
during
intake
or
doing
any
kind
of
an
investigation.
F
Yeah,
I
I
can't
think
of
any
other
question
that
doesn't
go
into
critique
the
outcome
and
that's
that
is
not
the
purpose
of
of
our
responsibility
here.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
gonna,
say
anything,
I'm
just
I
I'll
just
say
as
a
statement.
I'm
I'm
surprised
that
yeah,
the
the
fact
is
that
the
individual
officer
here
you
know,
put
their
knee
on
someone's
head
slash
neck,
luckily
and
thankfully
removed
it
to
between
shoulders
but
yeah
troubling
troubling,
to
see.
E
E
To
make
it
well
known
to
anyone
within
the
public
who
may
not
realize
this,
the
office
of
police
conduct
review
do
not
offer
an
opinion
of
merit
and
we
have
no
input
as
to
whether
an
officer
is
disciplined
after
a
review
panel
issues,
their
recommendation.
F
Yeah
I
I
have
no
further
questions,
it's
just
something
that
the
inconsistency
between
what
was
reported
and
then
the
the
the
known
policy
and,
and
then
the
lack
of
you
know
you
know
upon
discovery
shouldn't
that
have
been
brought
up,
because
that
is
the
case
in
other
instances,
right
like
if
you
know
upon
yeah,
you
know
hearing
about
one
complaint.
If
there's
a
discovery
of
you
know
in
a
body-worn
canon
footage,
you
hear
the
officer
swearing
at
someone,
then
it's.
F
It
has
been
the
case
in
the
past
that
you
know
a
discovering
a
policy
violation
has
occurred.
Then
a
an
officer
could
then
potentially
be
disciplined
for
that,
even
though
it
wasn't
the
original
intent
for
looking
at
bodyworm
camera
footage
or
anything
else,.
D
I
also
have
a
question
that
maybe
we'll
need
to
look
more
into
and
for
trends
is,
maybe
you
haven't
seen
this
exact
type
of
force
use,
but
I'm
trying
to
think
have
you
seen
this
maybe
comparable
levels
of
force
and
when
there
has
been
comparable
levels
of
force?
What
is
the
alleged
criminal
conduct?
So
here
it's
trespassing
and
it
looks
like
the
person
was
ultimately
booked
for
obstruction
of
justice,
which
tend
to
be
misdemeanor
offenses
rather
than
felony
offenses.
Are
you
able
to
speak
to
any?
You
know
any
sort
of
correlation
between
4c.
D
D
F
I
I'm
fine
if
we
just
get
into
the
habit
of
now
that
we
know
where
they
are
and
they're
updated.
We
could
skim
them
beforehand,
and
I
think
that
was
the
original
intent
of
all
of
this,
and
I
I
appreciate
miss
amini
for
entertaining
us
on
the
the
old
ways
for
a
night.
D
I
would
also
miss
brock.
Can
you
please
let
me
know
how
to
address
this.
I
would
like
to
table
my
my
discussion
of
the
minnesota
division
of
driver
and
vehicle
services
discussion.
Just
in
the
interest
of.
A
That
would
be
at
your
discretion,
chair
mcguire,
to
postpone
that
to
the
next
meeting.
D
D
F
So
a
good
you
know
summary
I've
already
kind
of
given
of
what
our
main
frustrations
were
in
the
report
are
in
the
audit
subcommittee
itself
that
we
kind
of
initially
brought
up
in
the
first
part
of
the
conversation
I
will
kind
of
give.
You
know
the
line
by
line
for
our
major
items
of
business.
F
No
knock
warrants,
I'm
I'm
waiting
on
christopher
band
to
come
back.
He
had
some
personal
time
him
and
I
are
gonna.
Look
at
some
of
the
data
that
he's
used
to
see
if
we
can
pull
together
some
kind
of
rudimentary
analysis
of
looking
at
relationships
between
some
of
the
the
variables
between
you
know,
announced
entry,
unannounced
century
entry
and
some
of
the
outcomes
related
to
that.
F
Regarding
coaching,
that's
one
of
those
areas
where
you
know
we,
we
don't
have
a
new
data
management
system,
so
we've
hit
a
really
strong
wall
there,
which
was
kind
of
the
main
reason
why
we
prompted
this
conversation
here
today
and
then
a
discipline,
research
and
study
is
one
of
the
newer
items
that
we
were
talking
about.
F
Miss
amini
was
kind
enough
to
give
us
a
breakdown
of
what's
private
and
what's
public
data
points
that
are
related
to
discipline
allowed
us
to
have
a
little
bit
more
insight
there
and
we
discussed
the
potential
of
engaging
with
the
records
department,
which
sounds
like
a
common
trend
which
we
might
do
for
multiple
issues
now,
and
we
intend,
in
our
next
meeting,
to
talk
with
mr
band
again
on
the
issue
of
discipline,
research
and
study,
to
see
with
the
current
types
of
reporting
that
we
have
available
now.
F
Is
it
realistic
for
him
to
go
through
and
kind
of
visually
eyeball
each
of
the
variables
and
manually
put
together
a
spreadsheet,
or
do
we
have
to
wait
for
a
you
know,
a
a
different
more.
You
know,
up-to-date
management
system
to
be
able
to
do
the
type
of
interesting
work
that
we're
interested
in.
D
Okay,
hearing
none
and
without
objection
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file.
This
report.
D
D
D
We
will
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
with
that
are
there
any
community
members
on
the
line
who
wish
to
address
this
commission.
Just
a
reminder
to
please
press
star
six
to
unmute
yourself
state,
your
name
for
the
and
please
state
your
name
for
the
record.
C
Hello,
this
is
dave
bicking,
a
couple
of
I'll,
probably
making
brief
comments.
I'm
disappointed
that
now
it
appears
that
it's
june,
at
best
that
there'll
be
the
full
commission
and
hopefully
by
then
I'm
fully
trained
in
and
ready
to
go.
I
appreciate
that
you
had
your
discussion
about
the
mission.
I
think
that's
very
important
and
I
wish
that
discussion
could
be
held
and
continued
with
a
more
full
commission,
but
I
think
time
is
of
the
essence.
C
I
want
to
make
a
couple
of
notes
about
the
mission
getting
data
now
my
question
the
whether
you
can
get
non-public
data,
but
that's
a
another
example,
but
getting
public
data
has
been
your
big
problem
and
I've
been
thinking
about
that
and
I
wonder
if
it
makes
sense
instead
of
asking
just
informally,
though
you
should,
as
you
know,
or
request
it
from
staff,
whether
filing
a
data
practice
request
as
a
individual
or
as
a
commission
might
not
make
sense,
because
that
gets
you
any
public
data
there
is,
and
it
also
requires
that
public
data
to
be
provided,
which
doesn't
seem
to
always
happen
with
a
request
to
the
staff.
C
It's
not
very
timely.
In
many
cases-
and
it
has
the
disadvantage
of
that
most
of
the
times
you
get
raw
data
instead
of
the
you
know,
the
work
that
the
staff
often
does
that's
very
helpful
to
bring
you
summary
or
aggregate
data,
but
that's
something
you
could
work
out
on
your
own
and
then.
Finally,
I
the
case
summaries.
C
I
I
want
to
make
a
note
that
you
know
first
of
all,
they
aren't
attached
to
the
agenda,
so
nobody
knows
necessarily
where
to
look
for
those
or
which
ones
are
being
done
this
month,
but
it
is
referred
to
that
they're
on
the
website
and
I've
gone
to
that
page
on
the
website.
It
only
has
agendas
for
january
and
february
up
through
opcr-21-10.
C
And
you
today
were
discussing
21-16
and
onward,
so
the
public
is
still
being
kept
out
of
the
information.
That's
supposed
to
be
there
under
the
open
meeting
law.
I
think
that
needs
to
be
changed
and
quickly.
So
thank.
D
You
you,
mr
bicking,
would
anyone
else
like
to
wish?
Does
anyone
else
wish
to
address
the
commission.
D
Not
hearing
any
other
comments,
thank
you,
mr
bicking,
for
your
comments
tonight.
That
is
all
our
business
for
tonight
and,
seeing
as
we
have
no
further
business
at
this
time
and
without
object
objection,
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
Thank
you,
everybody
and
have
a
great
night.