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From YouTube: March 23, 2022 Board of Estimate and Taxation
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B
C
B
B
I
want
to
start
with
our
usual
land
acknowledgement
today,
specifically
focusing
on
well.
Many
of
the
land
within
the
city
of
minneapolis
is
indigenous
land
that
was
stolen.
We
also
have
to
remember
that
we
have
many
unhoused
neighbors
still
living
in
encampments
on
that
land,
so
it's
important
to
acknowledge
their
presence
and
the
importance
of
acknowledging
the
land.
B
B
B
Eyes
the
motion
passes
and
the
agenda
is
adopted.
Our
next
section
of
the
agenda
is
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
from
february
9
2022.
May
I
please
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
minutes
so
moved?
Is
there
a
second?
Second?
We
have
a
proper
motion
before
us.
Is
there
any
discussion
before
the
clerk
calls
the
role
any
discussion
with
that
saying?
None
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
on
the
motion.
C
B
All
right
the
motion
passes
and
the
minutes
are
accepted
as
presented
next
section
of
our
agenda
is
public
comment,
which
is
item
4
on
your
agenda,
and
it
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comment.
We
welcome
members
of
the
public
to
make
public
comments
related
to
current
board
business
per
newly
adopted
bylaws
amendment.
The
public
comment
period
will
be
limited
to
a
total
of
10
minutes.
The
clerk
informs
me
that
we
have
no
people
signed
up
to
speak
today,
but
we
did
receive
several
written
comments.
D
Kind
of
do
you
mind
reading
them.
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
I
mean
I
know
that
they
are
part
of
our
public
record,
but
to
have
them
on
recording.
B
B
Thank
you
very
much,
so
our
first
comment
is
from
lisa
boyd,
dear
council
members.
I'm
writing
to
you
today
to
advocate
for
a
full-time
staffer
for
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation.
After
the
last
staffer
of
over
30
years
retired,
a
study
was
done
to
determine
if
the
position
still
needed
to
be
full-time.
That
was
done
in
2019.
B
The
position
moved
to
part-time
of
15
to
20
hours
a
week.
It's
now
2022
and
our
city
has
changed
a
lot
and
will
soon
include
a
complete
change
in
government
structure.
The
bet
is
independent.
It
provides
the
financial
checks
and
balances
for
our
city.
They
don't
answer
to
city
government
as
much
as
to
the
public.
Now
the
bet
staffers
job
description
can't
be
posted
without
voting
on
whether
the
role
is
full-time
or
part-time.
B
What
are
the
priorities
this
staffer
needs
to
serve.
The
public
housing
levy.
Work
is
moving
forward,
reparations
through
a
new
committee.
Thank
you,
president
jenkins,
to
determine
the
structure
and
policy
is
underway
soon,
and
the
bet
needs
to
start
talking
about
levy
needs,
there's
not
been
a
capital
audit,
so
they
have
facts
to
show
where
these
investments
have
been
made
and
they
can
determine
factually
where
we
have
gaps
and
need
to
direct
our
hard-earned
money.
B
They
need
research
and
data,
around
property
taxes,
broken
down
by
ward
median
income,
etc,
and
they
need
logistical
support
too
15
to
20
hours
isn't
enough
to
accomplish
what
they
need
and
realistically
you
won't
have
a
diverse
candidate
pool
with
compensation
for
only
15
to
20
hours
a
week
with
no
sick
time
and
no
benefits.
How
will
you
pay
for
it?
There
is
more
than
enough
money
in
reserves
to
pay
for
this
year
and
then
look
at
what
is
needed
in
the
future
to
sustain
the
role.
This
staffer
needs
to
be
replaced
expeditiously.
B
B
Our
next
comment
is
from
jess
sunden.
I
support
full-time
staff
for
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation.
Full-Time
is
listed
as
in
all
caps.
The
board
members
are
not
full-time,
so
they
need
staff
to
ensure
they
have
all
the
data,
research
and
logistical
support
to
do
their
work
effectively.
City
jobs
should
be
real
jobs
with
livable
wages
and
benefits.
Please
take
action
on
this
today,
sincerely
just
sunden.
B
Our
next
comment
is
from
valerie
peterson
brandt,
to
whom
it
may
concern.
It's
been
a
hardship
on
the
current
team
who
now
spend
a
lot
of
a
lot
more
time
making
up
for
the
deficit.
If
each
council
member
was
told
they
only
get
part-time
staff,
they
would
throw
fit,
and
rightfully
so,
thank
you
for
your
attention
to
this
valerie
peterson
brandt.
B
B
B
One
means
of
creating
greater
transparency
is
through
research
and
data
regarding
property
taxes
broken
down
by
word
median
and
median
income
15
to
20
hours,
for
a
part-time
staff
position
is
not
adequate
to
complete
the
needed
role.
In
addition,
a
part-time
position
without
benefits
will
not
attract
a
diverse
candidate
pool,
which
is
important
when
considering
how
paramount
diverse
representation
is
in
government.
Lastly,
if
a
full-time
staff
remember
is
not
considered
appropriate,
I
will
counter
that
it
is
profoundly
inappropriate
for
the
bet
board
to
absorb
the
role
without
increasing
their
stipend.
B
That
is
all
of
our
comments
that
we
received
via
email,
and
I
would
also
like
to
acknowledge
that
member
jenkins
has
joined
the
meeting.
B
F
Sorry,
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
with
the
hand
signal
in
the
chat
that
we're
supposed
to
use.
I
would
like
the
record
to
show,
since
one
of
the
people
who
commented
shares
a
last
name
with
me,
that
I
have
not
only
not
heard
of
her
or
communicated
with
her,
but
I
have
not
communicated
with
any
of
the
individuals
who
commented
today
in
case
any
of
you
are
wondering.
Thank
you.
E
B
Thank
you.
I
would
also
like
to
note
that
part
of
the
responsibility
of
this
role
is
also
to
engage
with
the
public,
and
so
I
I
will
make
note
that
I
have
engaged
with
the
public
around
specifically
our
agenda
items,
so
I
want
that
to
be
noted
for
transparency.
B
Thank
you
to
all
of
those
who
made
public
comment
today
and
I'll
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
those
comments.
We
now
move
on
to
the
next
part
of
our
agenda,
which
is
discussion.
B
And
you
have
the
attachment
in
your
materials,
which
is
a
memorandum,
it
is
required
to
acknowledge
through
a
memorandum.
This
is
just
the
acceptance
of
these.
These
assessments
will
be
coming
forward
at
a
future
time
in
which
we
would
be
voting
on
that
bonding.
But
at
this
time
we
are
solely
accepting
via
the
memorandum
that
we
have
received
these
future
projects
for
bonding.
B
Second
is
60th
street
west
sunrise
drive
and
58th
street
west
street
resurfacing
project
in
the
amount
of
276
thousand
136
dollars
and
19
cents,
and
third,
the
corcoran
residential
street
resurfacing
in
the
amount
of
two
million
one
hundred
and
eighty
eight
thousand
nine
hundred
nineteen
dollars
and
thirty
nine
cents.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
these
items.
B
Any
discussion
seeing
no
further
discussion
vice
president
brant,
it
appears
that
you
may
have
a
comment
here.
I
recognize
vice
president
brent
at
this
time.
F
D
Jenkins,
thank
you
chair
priest
stenson.
I
am,
I
mean
we're
the
resolution
number
one
is.
Can
you
add
that
slide
back
up
tech
team.
B
Dollars,
yes,
item
number
one
as
estimated
by
the
city
council
is
in
that
amount
and
for
a
point
of
clarification.
B
B
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
that.
Our
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
number
six,
which
is
discussion
for
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation
staffing.
B
I
would
like
to
make
a
note
that
the
presentation
on
the
shared
agreement
we
have
excuse
me
we
have
already
received,
as
as
to
the
particulars
of
that
staffing
agreement.
However,
the
tech
team
could
display
that
presentation
and
then,
if
there's
any
questions
regarding
hr
or
financing,
we
can
certainly
have
the
discussion
at
this
point.
B
And
the
motion
would
be
clarification
from
miss
brock.
The
motion
before
us
would
be:
is
that
motion
to
vote
on
shared
staffing
agreement
versus
bt
staffer
status,
just
so
everyone's
clear
about
what
motion
they
would
be
making.
G
B
Yes,
so
we
can
certainly
so
the
presentation
as
far
as
the
shared
agreement
we
did
actually
have
that
already,
but
if
anybody
wanted
to
review
that,
we
did
include
it
in
the
agenda
packet,
but
we
certainly
can
display
it
now,
just
so
that
everybody
can
see
it,
but
it
is
attached.
It
was
attached
to
the
agenda.
G
Yes,
I
understand
that
we're
asking
for.
So
I
understand
that
we're
asked
this
is
a
discussion
around
staffing,
but
can
you
kind
of
describe
again
what
the
what
the
need
is
and
what
the
ask
is
and
when
you
say
shared
agreement,
what
what
do
you
mean.
B
Thank
you
so
you're
welcome,
so
the
resource
sharing
agreement
would
be
between
the
audit
committee
and
the
board
of
estimate
taxation
both
uniquely
comprised
to
ensure
independence,
the
city
auditor
reports
to
the
audit
committee,
and
is
it
it
is
comprised
of
council
and
community
majority,
cannot
be
current
or
former
elected
officials
committee,
approves
the
audit
plan
overseas
and
approves
the
audit
work
so
specific
to
the
resource
sharing
agreement,
demand
for
audit
services
has
increased
and
the
importance
of
independent
oversight
function
elevated
currently.
B
Currently
it
is
staffed
by
the
city,
otter
and
two
city,
auditor
and
two
internal
audit.
One
positions
in
hiring:
they
are
hiring
two
additional
auditor.
One
ftes
in
the
coming
months
and
coverage
would
extend
to
the
entire
enterprise
the
proposal
before
us.
As
far
as
the
resource
sharing
agreement,
the
proposal
would
allow
for
the
board's
fte
or
the
board's
fte
to
work
part-time
with
the
internal
audit
supplementing
the
current
audit
staff.
B
The
senior
advisor
would
provide
that
ongoing
staff
support
to
the
city
auditor
in
conducting
risk-based
audit
work,
which
would
be
approved
by
the
audit
committee,
and
the
audit
work
would
be
performed
in
compliance
with
that
new
governance
structure
and
2a
red
book
regulations,
and
I
believe
that
our
our
legal
counsel
here
could
provide
additional
knowledge
around
what
is
to
a
red
book
regulations.
In
case
anybody
was
curious.
What
that
actually
means.
G
President
priests,
may
I
respond
quick?
Yes,
you.
G
G
Scenarios
around
bringing
this
to
a
full-time
person
or
not
and
there's
a
couple
ways
to
look
at
this,
but
I
believe
this
path.
So,
if
we're
looking
this
as
path
a
I'll
just
use
as
a
shared,
this
was
no
longer
an
option.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
maybe
need
to
get
some
vacation,
but
it's
it's.
I
it's
my
understanding
that
this
is
no
longer
a
option
for
us
all
right.
G
B
Don't
have,
I
did
not
receive
any
clarity
specific
to
that
is
there
on
the
call
from
city
staff,
anyone
that
could
clarify
whether
or
not
this
particular
agreement
is
still
on
the
table.
H
Chair
priest
stenson,
yes,
I
can
attempt
to
speak
to
that
in
my
conversations
with
director,
patrick,
he
has
indicated
that
he
is
fully
staffed
and
this
is
no
longer
an
option
for
him.
His
two
additional
ftes
have
been
on
board
for
several
weeks
at
this
point,
so
my
understanding
is
that
this
is
no
longer
his
desire.
D
Chair,
please
stenson.
I
think
mr
bray
is
in
key.
B
F
Thank
you.
The
withdrawal
of
the
proposal
for
a
resource
sharing
agreement
is
news
to
me
as
recently
as
about
a
month
ago.
It's
less
than
that
the
city
clerk
was
suggesting.
That
was
a
live
possibility.
F
I
would
like
to
make
a
put
a
motion
on
the
table
that
the
position
of
executive
secretary
or
senior
manager
for
bet,
if
people
prefer
that
nomenclature
be
restored
to
full-time
with
the
benefits
that
were
enjoyed
by
the
last
full-time
incumbent
in
the
position
and
a
salary
that
is
equal
to
the
60
an
hour
that
was
paid
to
mr
sterl.
B
H
Church,
since
this
is
for
our
tech
team,
so.
A
B
I
would
like
to
offer
an
alternative
motion
to
approve
the
full-time
bt
staffer
at
the
60,
an
hour
rate
at
40
hours
a
week.
This
position
is
also
known
as
executive
secretary,
I'm
adding
and
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
to
approve
any
changes
to
the
job
description,
so
that
today
we
are
just
approving
the
whether
we
are
approving
the
full-time
position
as
described.
B
G
Real
quick,
I
do
believe
that
jenkins
was
also
in
queue
or
fry,
I
believe,
was
in
queue
before
me
after
brandt,
okay
earlier,
but
perhaps
we're
on
to
another
piece.
So
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to.
I
I
was
in
queue
for
a
month
a
while
ago,
which
would
be
in
reference
to
the
commissioner
brandt's
underlying
motion
here
now
since
then,
there
has
been
an
ask
to
amend
the
motion,
and
so
rather
than
kind
of
go
back
in
time.
I
guess
my
I
just
I
want
to
just
clarify
what
this
the
change
is
for
here
to
commissioner
brandt's
underlying
motion.
F
Right,
if
it
helps
brent
will
accept
the
substitute
motion
offered
by
my
motion
did
not
receive
a
second,
so
it's
probably
not
before
us.
I
would
accept
the
pre-sensitive
motion
as
a
substitute.
B
And
also
as
a
reminder,
the
current
motion
is
always
the
one
that
we
deal
with
first
and
then,
if
that
one
doesn't
pass,
then
we
would
go
back
to
the
motion
of
vice
president
brandt
clerk
brock.
Can
you
please
verify
that
that
is
the
correct
order.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
I
was,
if
I
may,
you
know
the
when
I
signed
up
earlier.
It
would
also
apply
to
the
amendment
to
the
underlying
motion
that
has
since
been
accepted.
So
if
it's
all
right,
madam
chair,
can
I
go
and
speak
now
absolutely.
I
So
there
are
some
underlying
assumptions
here
that
are
made,
that
this
position
would
require
40
hours
worth
of
work,
and
so
I
think
the
first
question
that
we
have
to
ask
is
how
much
work
is
there
and
how
many
hours
does
that
work
take,
and
so,
if
I
could
just
ask
miss
laurie
johnson
to
give
us
a
little
bit
of
of
rundown
on
how
many
hours
this
position
has
seen
in
the
past.
B
H
Thank
you,
president
christensen
mayor
frye,
the
last
three
years
since
2019
this
position.
The
person
in
this
position
has
worked
15
hours
per
week.
We
have
not
found
that
not
to
be
acceptable.
At
least
we've
not
heard
those
comments
from
bet
that
it
wasn't
adequate.
Prior
to
that
you're
correct.
It
was
a
40-hour
position.
However,
after
review
it
was
reduced
to
a
time
I
believe,
anywhere
between
10
to
20
hours
and
again
it
has
been
consistently
15
hours,
since
it
was
changed
to
part
time.
I
It
does
no
that
that
is
helpful.
Miss
johnson,
thank
you.
So
I
I'll
speak
against
the
motion
that
is
presently
before
us
first,
because
the
analysis
and
the
information
that
we
presently
have
does
not
say
that
this
position
works
40
hours
per
week.
I
It
says
it's
somewhere
in
the
range
between
10
and
20
hours
per
week,
and
I
I
don't
think
it's
a
smart
use
of
of
taxpayer
dollars
to
just
assume
that
there
will
be
an
additional
20
hours
per
week
when
we
have
not
seen
that
in
the
past
now.
I
I
do
think
that
it
would
be
smart
to
have
some
form
of
analysis,
as
we
do
with
all
of
our
other
city
staff
positions,
to
determine
what
the
scope
of
work
for
this
position
would
be,
and
then
how
many
hours
that
would
take
if
there's
some
differentiation
between
what
has
previously
been
done
and
what
this
board
is
expecting
this
individual
to
do.
You
know
in
in
the
past,
much
of
the
information
that
is
disseminated
by
this
particular
position
is
passed
through
information.
I
It's
information
that
has
already
been
provided
has
already
been
analyzed
by
other
people
in
other
departments
and
then
that
information
is
compiled,
which
is
a
very
important
task
and
then
and
then
passed
on
to
the
bet.
I'll
note
that
I
do
feel
strongly-
and
I
think
most
of
the
board
would
agree
with
me
on
this-
that
that
we
do
want
some
independent
person
that
is
able
to
provide
information
to
our
customer
taxation.
Commissioners,
I'm
just
my
argument-
is
very
much
limited
to
the
time
frame
that
this
will
take.
B
F
You
I
I
take
something
of
a
historical
view
here
I
attended
my
first
bet
meeting,
probably
about
2007.
F
More
recently,
you
will
recall
that
in
2009,
the
city
council
and
the
then
mayor
tried
to
abolish
the
det
and
shift
its
duties
to
the
city
council.
The
voters
clearly
answered
with
a
resounding
no.
By
about
a
two
to
one
margin.
F
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
city
hall,
under
various
mayors
in
various
councils,
has
undercut
the
bet.
F
You
recall
that
about
2010
the
audit
function
was
shifted
from
bet
to
the
internal
auditor.
I
have
to
admit
that
at
this
point
that
looks
like
it
was
a
shift
for
the
better,
but
in
2019
the
executive
secretary's
position
was
cut
to
half
time.
F
I
have
been
told
by
somebody
who
has
held
the
position
that
the
those
duties
were
essentially
crafted
to
reef
to
meet
the
requirement
of
no
more
than
half
time
and
by
the
way,
I
think
mr
sterl's
timesheets
indicate
that
he's
worked
an
average
of
18
hours
a
week.
But
let's
go
beyond
that
because
after
he
had
announced
his
plans
to
resign,
I
requested
from
him
what
duties
were
not
being
done,
and
I
think
that
gets
to
the
crux
of
the
need
for
more
hours.
F
These
are
duties
he
would
add,
based
on
his
experience
and
what
was
done
before
him
by
the
previous
full-time
executive
secretary.
One
is
the
physician
may
assist.
The
bet
in
developing
positions
and
communications
to
legislative
bodies
on
pending
legislation
provides
the
bet
with
information
about
filing
excuse
me.
I've
lost
my
place
all
required,
reporting
and
filing
it.
Researches
topics,
as
requested
by
the
bet,
provides
and
interprets
data
and
findings
which
may
influence
decisions
and
actions.
F
You
know,
I
think
we
should
look
at
at
the
first
hundred
years
of
the
board
of
estimate
which
were
four
full-time
executive
secretaries
and
then
the
last
three
years
in
which
we've
had
two
executive
secretaries
working
part-time
and
the
position
has
been
vacant
as
much
as
it's
been
filled,
and
I
think
that
has
an
unfortunate
deleterious
effect
on
the
continuity
of
the
board
and
its
staffing.
F
F
F
Most
of
you
have
seen
the
sheets
that
were
prepared
by
the
last
full-time
executive
secretary,
the
they
told
the
property
tax
impact
on
homesteads
in
detail
and
those
sheets
that
you've
seen
are
only
what
is
only
really
one
of
the
multiple
sheets
done
of
analysis.
They
also
broke
it
down
by
ward.
That
would
have
been
helpful
this
year
in
predicting
the
impact,
the
harsh
impact
of
this
year's
property
tax
increase
on
the
north
side.
F
Now
I
feel
that
I
was
elected
to
be
a
people's
people's
voice,
along
with
commissioner
with
member
stinson
on
the
city's
taxation
and
debt
decisions.
F
I
have
been
flying
blind
in
terms
of
detail
not
having
any
detailed
projections
to
examine,
as
both
as
a
citizen
and
now
as
a
board
member
for
this
year's
levy,
I'm
a
reasonable
person.
I
know
the
job
is
all
about
balancing
the
needs
of
the
city
which,
which
has
expenses
that
go
up
yearly
and
the
pain
of
areas
where
the
property
values
are
rising
most
quickly
this
year.
F
F
So
I
think
that
what's
needed
is
to
take
the
information
that's
been
presided
by
provided
by
the
most
recent
incumbent
and
to
factor
that
in
to
the
job
description
and
proceed
with
the
with
the
pre-stenson
motion.
D
D
D
That
would
be
an
irresponsible
act
for
a
city
elected
body
to
make,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I've
heard
the
plan
for
ongoing
funding
for
this
position.
D
And-
and
I
I
guess,
I'm
I
mean
a
lot
of
the
things
that
mr
vice
president
brent
just
described.
D
I
mean
we
have
a
city
assessor's
office
that
is
making
those
determinations
and
bringing
forward
those
rationales.
D
It
sounds
like
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
a
lobbying
department
to
interact
with
other
governmental
agencies.
D
So
but
my
main
concern
is
sustainability.
Ongoing
payment,
which
I
would
assume
means
we'd,
have
to
raise
the
levy
in
order
to
to
fund
this
position
or
we'd
have
to
cut
something
from
somewhere.
J
Thank
you,
president
priestensen,
so
I
appreciate
the
robust
discussion
on
this.
I,
the
park
board
really
supports
having
a
sees
the
extra
work
and-
and
one
thing
I
can
point
to
is
having
a
full-time
bet.
Staffer
helps
with
complex
projects.
J
I
know
that
mpp
20,
which
is
a
wonderful
funding
source
for
park
improvements,
probably
would
would
have
been
very
difficult
to
work
through
without
more
time,
and
I
think
it's
really
difficult
for
me
to
see
how
we
get
someone
who's
independent.
If
they're
having
to
rely
on
other
income
or,
if
they're
having
to
not
be
consistent,
it
seems
like
a
position
that
needs
a
lot
of
institutional
memory
and
and
knowledge
base
and
to
also
act
as
almost
a
referee
or
umpire
between
different
city
agencies.
J
I
I'm
the
park
board
and
myself
are
in
full
support
of
a
full-time
staff
position.
I
think
that
the
the
finance
department
did
outline
some
sort
of
continuous
plan,
but
I
did,
I
do
think,
remember
jenkins,
that
it
does
involve
increasing
the
levy.
I
personally,
I
don't
actually
think
this
is
a
a
waste
of
tax
dollars.
J
So
I'm
in
support
of
this
proposal.
I
do
wonder-
and
maybe
somebody
on
the
call
can
answer
this
question.
What
is
the
level
that
folks
get
benefits
when
they
are
employed
by
the
city
or
under
that
contract?
I
don't
I
don't
know
I
just
I
want
to
make
the
position
desirable
enough
to
where
we
can
keep
someone
consistently
and
I
think,
that's
really
important
in
order
to
maintain
consistency
throughout
the
position.
B
Thank
you,
member
men's
next
thing.
Cue
is
myself.
I've
heard
two
things
that
folks
were
referring
to
as
far
as
information
I
would
like
to
before.
I
give
my
comments
here,
part
of
discussion,
mr
gatesmith,
are
you
able
to?
We
asked
you
at
the
last
meeting
specifically
when
you
came
back
to
us
to
address
the
staffing
need
and
to
reassess
what
was
determined
in
2019.
K
K
K
Take
the
the
position
that
had
been
approved
by
the
board
of
estimate,
taxation
and
design
and
execute
a
recruiting
process,
and
so
that's
that
was
my
involvement,
or
that
was
a
human
resources.
Involvement
in
that
particular
in
that
particular
position.
We
did
not
take
a
look
at,
and
nor
would
we
take
a
look
at
the
the
amount
of
hours
that
may
be
required
for
a
certain
position
that
would
be
dependent
upon
the
responsibilities
that
the
bet
would
assign
to
this
particular
individual.
K
I
will
say
you
know
a
member
mens
asked
about
the
about
the
benefit
load
and
I
I
think
I
sent
president
pre
an
indication
that
anybody,
that's
hired
within
the
organization
for
30
hours
or
more
would
be
eligible
for
the
same
benefit
levels
that
our
appointed
positions
get
and,
and
I
sent
a
copy
of
what
that
benefit.
What
those
benefits
might
be,
so
that
that
you
have
that.
I
think
in
one
of
your
documents,
if
I
recall.
K
So,
that's
that's.
That's
that's!
Basically,
the
role
that
human
resources
has
played
to
this
date
and
we
would
be
willing,
you
know,
to
assist
the
bet
and
the
city
to
again
identify
an
individual
for
a
position
as
soon
as
you're
able
to
determine
what
that
position
is.
B
B
Thank
you.
As
far
as
my
comments,
I
was
next
in
queue.
A
couple
of
things
here.
I
can't
stress
enough
the
importance
of
independence,
specifically,
it's
spelled
out
multiple
times
and
specifically
referred
to
in
the
charter
as
far
as
the
powers
and
and
why
we
have
them.
B
That
is
fine
and
well
that
we
and
true
of
which
the
mayor
spoke
to
that
we
have
the
finance
office
and
we
we
have
other
people,
but
those
people
are
not
independent
of
the
city,
enterprise
and
specific
to
our
ability,
which
there
is
no.
There
is
no
language
around
full-time
or
part-time,
but
it
does
designate
that
we
get
one
executive
secretary,
which
we
also
call
the
senior
finance
advisor
and
the
ability
to
hire
an
independent
auditor
as
well.
B
So
the
the
independence
of
this
of
the
board
and
why
that
independent
exists,
independent
exists,
is
critically
important
and
well
that
information
that
comes
from
those
other
departments
is
relevant.
We
still
need
the
staffer
to
provide
that
independent
information
and
analysis
on
what
is
presented
to
the
bet,
not
because
we
think
that
city
staff
is
not
capable
or
that
they're
providing
false
information,
but
because
again
we
need
independence
oversight.
B
I
would
also
like
to
state
that
in
2019
this
was
pre
a
lot
of
issues.
This
was
pre
the
racial
equity
emergency
that
was
called
at
the
city
and
the
county
level
that
was
pre.
The
uprising
at
his
at
as
it
has
been
referred
to
publicly
with
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
that
was
pre
the
current
pandemic
that
we
were
in.
B
So
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we
are
facing
as
a
city
that
are
long-term
issues,
are
going
to
require
more
out
of
us,
and
also
there
are
ad
hoc
just
like
with
any
other
function
at
the
city
or
any
other
committee.
There
is
ad
hoc
work
that
happens
as
well,
whereas
we
can't
we
can't
determine
how
much
of
that
we
can
acknowledge
the
fact
that
there
is
ad
hoc
work
that
happens
as
a
result
of
all
the
things
that
I
mentioned,
as
well
as
just
the
day-to-day
functioning.
B
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
we're
making
a
lot
of
assumptions
about
the
levy
and
future
decisions
about
things
that
we
have
not
heard
yet
so,
for
example,
when
we
talk
about
raising
the
levy
and
there's
been
already
in
our
discussions,
whether
or
not
that
is
a
good
use
of
public
dollars,
we
again,
we
can't
foresee,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
may
do
to
not
raise
the
levy
is
to
really
do
a
deep
dive
and
analysis
into
what
the
current
levies
are
set
at
for
each
category
and
may
decide.
B
Based
on
the
priorities
that
we
see
as
a
collective
board,
we
may
determine
to
reallocate
certain
percentages
or
dollars
to
other
categories,
but
again
we
can't
foresee
that
so
I
don't
see.
I
feel
that
it
is
premature
to
say
that
we
would
have
to
increase
the
levy
when
we
have
other
options
and
we're
not
at
that
point
in
our
work,
yet
which
would
also
require
that
independent
analysis
by
our
staffer.
B
I
would
also
say
that
if
you
look
at
the
document
that
was
provided
in
our
packet,
which
is,
I
just
want
to
call
it
by
name,
so
our
tech
team
is
clear
what
I'm
asking
for.
There
is
a
there's,
the
bt
senior
advisor
salary
range
and
there
is
also
a
document
about
some
projection
about
our
current
budget.
So
our
current
budget,
we
have
funds
in
a
reserve,
so
for
this
year
we
could
pay
for
that
for
next
year.
We
could
even
pay
for
that
future.
Again.
That
would
be
a
future
decision.
B
It
would
not
be
a
large
amount
that
we
would
have
to
move
into
our
budget.
That
would
be
a
large
strain
on
members
of
the
public,
and
in
addition
to
that,
remember
that
these
council
members
outs
are
and
members
of
this
board
outside
of
the
mayor
and
these
two
elected
positions
with
vice
president
brent
and
myself.
B
Those
positions
are
going
to
change
in
two
years
when
we
have
another
election.
So
as
far
as
how
we
plan
for
moving
forward
those
it
would
be
appropriate
after
there
is
a
change
in
leadership
or
potential
change
in
leadership
that
we
can
address
exactly
how
much
we
would
move.
So
I
don't
feel
that
it's
irresponsible.
I
don't
think
that
it's
not
a
good
use
of
our
tax
dollars
because
of
the
independence
in
2009.
B
The
public
clearly
spoke
to
us
when
that
charter
amendment
was
rejected,
that
we
need
independent
oversight,
specifically
with
the
function
of
having
a
board
of
estimate
and
taxation.
B
I
would
also
just
like
to
note
that
with
a
staffing
position-
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
should
solely
think
about
just
this
thing,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
the
fact
that
we
are
going
to
be
hard-pressed
to
have
a
diverse
candidate
pool
across
gender
and
non-gender
across
culture
and
cultural
identity,
which
is
also
referred
to
as
race.
That's
just
not
a
term
that
I
use
those.
Those
things
are
critically
important
people
having
access
to
benefits
and
even
sick
time.
That
is
something
that
they
would
not
get.
B
So
the
the
the
likely
folks
that
would
apply
for
such
a
position
would
likely
make
it
so
that
we
don't
have
a
very
diverse
candidate
pool,
which
is
also
a
concern
to
me
as
well.
So
with
that
being
said,
that
ends
my
particular
comments.
B
B
G
G
I
don't
think
that
anyone
on
this
board
negates
the
need
for
our
bet
members
to
have
staff
support,
but
when
this
item
was
originally
brought
up
to
us
in
our
first
bet
meeting
at
the
beginning
of
the
term,
we
did
we
asked
for
a
hr
evaluation
similar
to
that
was
done
in
2019,
a
job,
a
formal
job
proposal
and
a
financial
plan
so
that
we
could
do
our
due
diligence
before
we
voted
to
approve
this
item,
and
so
I
I
still
don't
feel
that
these
items
have
yet
been
provided
to
us
in
a
a
way.
G
That's
also
easy
to
kind
of
digest.
I
I
understand
that
we
have
a
few.
You
know
a
few
different
elements
and
pieces
here,
but
because
the
work
has
not
been
done,
we
I
feel
like
we
have
to
default
to
the
previous
hr
evaluation
that
was
done
and
the
job
proposal
that
was
developed
based
on
that
hr
evaluation.
Until
we
have
you
know,
information
to
help
us
otherwise.
G
So
I
I
guess
I
encourage
you
know
our
our
be
team
members
who
you
know
who
want
to
continue
to
work
on
this
to
reach
out
to
hr.
I
understand
that
mr
gates
smith
was
here
today,
but
I
I
don't
feel
that
we
got
a
an
evaluation
like
we
did
in
2019
and
really
have
an
understanding
of
the
I.
G
I
heard
the
deal
that
the
different
things
that
you
know
vice
president
brandt
discussed,
but
I
I
still
don't
feel
like
we
have
a
clear
understanding,
because
in
the
beginning
we
also
talked
about
you,
you
brought
in
the
shared
role
and
now
that's
now
we're
not
talking
about
a
shared
role,
but
we're
still
talking
about
that
in
the
same
meeting
of
adding
a
full-time
person.
So
I'm
I'm
still
confused
of
a
bit
of
who's
doing
the
work,
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
we
had
this.
G
You
know
formal
hr,
evaluation,
formal
job
proposal
and
then
a
formal
financial
plan
kind
of,
like
president
councilmember
jenkins,
said
about
making
sure
we
understand
how
we
you
know,
plan
to
financially
sustain
this
role,
but
until
then
I
think
that
we,
you
know
we
need.
You
know.
We
need
to
wait
to
vote
on
this
full-time
position
until
we
have
all
of
that
information,
so
we
can
do
our
our
due
diligence
and
that's
just
that.
Those
are
my
thoughts
at
the
moment.
B
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
if
we
look
at
our
bylaws,
there
are
a
number
of
positions
that
are
indeed
shared
by
both
the
city,
as
well
as
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation
and,
in
fact,
even
the
park
board.
I
I
Then
we
should
vote
to
change
it.
But
as
of
right
now
that
that
is
certainly
the
case,
those
entities
and
specifically
the
finance
department
budget
division,
as
well
as
the
assessor,
provide
almost
every
single
one
of
the
things
that
was
suggested
that
this
particular
position
would
do.
In
addition
to
this,
the
pieces
that
we
all
agree
could
be
independent.
I
I
They
provide
the
projections
which
could
never
be
done
by
the
way
by
one
person,
and
so
they
are,
and
they
are
ultimately
passed
on
to
this
board.
This
is
not
something
that
this
particular
individual
could
redo
in
full
or
even
in
part,
but
they
certainly
could
look
at
those
evaluations.
I
Look
at
the
data
that's
been
presented,
provide
their
opinions
on
it,
which
I
do
believe
that
they
should
be
doing,
and
then
we
all
can
make
a
decision
based
on
the
inputs
that
we're
getting
you
know.
It
was
also
noted
that
we're
making
a
lot
of
assumptions
here.
I
agree
with
that.
We
are
making
assumptions
we're
also
making
assumptions
about
how
many
hours
this
particular
position
would
work.
That
is
a
massive
assumption
that
we
are
making
before
doing
any
of
the
analysis.
I
The
analysis
may
end
up
showing
that
this
is
a
position
that
requires
10
hours
of
work.
It
may
be
a
position
that
requires
35
or
40
hours
of
work.
I
think
that
we
should
follow
councilmember
koski's
advice
there
and
council
advice.
Council.
Excuse
me,
president
jenkins,
to
do
the
necessary
work
ahead
of
time
and
then
to
make
the
decision
based
on
the
findings
now
in
order
to
do
that.
I'll
note
and
I'll
wait
for
this
motion
to
be
completed
first,
just
to
so
we're
so
we're
not
confusing
things.
I
We
should
provide
some
direction
to
staff
as
a
board,
as
opposed
to
you
know
one
board,
member
providing
that
direction,
because
I
think
that's
where
we'll
probably
run
into
problems,
so
I
mean
my
suggestion:
was
after
this
motion
passes
or
fails.
F
I
would
like
to
address
some
of
the
points
that
have
been
raised.
The
first
one
by
council
president
jenkins
asks
what
about
next
year.
What
about
next
year?
I
would
argue
that
she
argues
that
it
would
be
unfair
to
hire
a
person
on
the
assumption
that
we're
going
to
keep
the
position
funded
in
the
next
year.
F
I
would
also
point
out
that,
if
you
look
at
the
projections
that
I
believe
are
on
the
screen
now,
the
position
would
not
require
any
additional
levy.
This
year,
it's
essentially
paid
for
out
of
reserves
in
the
next
three
years.
It
would
require
an
increase
of
30
to
35
000
per
year.
Now
that
was
on
the
assumption
that
we
paid
a
person
full
time
for
the
balance
of
this
year.
F
That's
obviously
not
going
to
happen,
so
we
may
be
able
to
get
by
on
our
lev
on
our
fund
balance
for
the
next
two
years,
but
that's
in
a
budget
of
1.6
billion,
and
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
what
is
the
cost
of
discontinuity.
F
That's
an
underinformed
board
of
estimate
and
taxation.
Council
president
jenkins
also
said:
well
what
about
the
assessor?
What
about
finance?
Don't
those
things
do
some
of
the
things
that
you're
talking
about
having
the
executive
secretary?
Do
I
would
argue
that
the
job
of
the
assessor
is
entirely
different
from
anything
that
the
board
of
estimate
executive
secretary
has
done.
Historically,
it
is
a
basis
for
the
board
of
estimate
secretary
to
make
detailed
calculations
to
show
tax
impacts,
and
I
would
disagree
with
the
mayor,
mr
frye.
Your
12
examples
spread
across
three
different
value.
F
In
the
past,
there
have
been
detailed
estimates
for
every
property
in
the
city
based
on
the
increase
that
is
provided
by
the
assessor
and
the
proposed
tax
rate,
and
we
get
a
sense
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
see
their
tax
go
up
by
zero
to
two
and
a
half
percent
or
five
to
ten
percent
or
see
it
go
down.
F
I
would
also
argue
that
finance,
although
it
does
provide
some
functions
that
are
helpful
to
the
work
of
the
board
of
estimate,
is,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
creature
of
the
executive
department,
which
ultimately
is
responsible
to
the
mayor,
even
if
indirectly-
and
we
are
an
independent
board
when
we
are
analyzing
the
mayor's
proposed
property
tax
increase.
F
F
I
would
also
respond
that
we
could
have
had.
We
could
have
asked
for
this
detailed
job
description
that
people
are
talking
about
today
in
january.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
thought
that
was
what
january's
action
was
supposed
to
provide
was
a
an
updated
job
description
that
realistically
reflected
the
duties
of
the
job
of
executive
secretary,
but
maybe
it's
fair
to
say
that
we
need
a
consensus
on
this
board
about
what
the
position
should
do,
so
that
that
job
description
can
be
updated.
B
Thank
you
vice
president
brent.
I
am
next
in
q
here
again,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
having
a
full-time
position
specific
to
bet
and
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
I
would
like
to
address.
We
also
have
the
new
government
structure
that
we
haven't
mentioned
yet,
which
is
going
to
have
an
impact
even
around
our
ability
to
provide
any
staff
direction
because
of
the
way
that
the
new
structure
is
being
laid
out,
so
we
also
have
to
take
that
into
account.
B
We
also
again,
I
I
disagree
on
the
term
that
the
mayor
used
as
massively
again
it's
not
into
we
can't
we
we
are
taking
into
account
what
our
cfo
and
other
departments
that
we
work
in
concert
with
in
collaboration.
But
again
that
is
not
independent.
There
is
a
reason
that
that
language
is
used
around
independence.
So
we
can't
talk
around
the
purpose
and
the
function
of
what
this
role
is.
I
don't
believe
it's
rework.
B
I
don't
believe
that
it's
more
than
one
person
can
do
because,
previous
to
this,
when
we
had
a
full-time
staffer
that
was
held
by
someone
who
retired,
which
was
a
little
over
30
years
of
providing
this
function
to
the
board,
that
is
important
to
note
that
they
did
provide
those
things
and
they
did
do
that
work
alone.
Obviously
they
took
into
account
information.
They
were
getting
from
other
spaces,
but
they
provided
other
data
to
us
and
again
on
an
independent
basis.
It's
not
independent.
B
If
we're
saying
well,
other
departments
can
just
do
it,
so
I
don't
agree
there.
The
third
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
again
I
can't
stress
enough
that
in
2019
we
were
dealing
with
a
very
different
climate
of
minneapolis
and
we're
not
going
backwards.
We
are
a
different
city.
We
have
been
impacted
by
all
of
those
changes
to
our
city
that
I
spoke
about
already,
so
I
I
find
it
concerning
that.
B
We're
saying
that
that
there
for
all
that,
for
all
that
time
we
had
a
full-time
staffer
and
then
again
in
2019,
we
determined
that
we
had
less
work.
But
again
now
we
are
in
the
current
of
2022
and
I
don't
see
how,
with
the
unprecedented
events
that
we
have
had
in
our
city,
that
will
bl
that
will
for
sure
impact
our
levy.
B
I
don't
see
how
we're
continuing
to
justify
that
somehow
it
would
be
less
than
when
for
over
30
years.
Without
this
unprecedented
change,
and
without
these
particular
amendments
specifically
question
one
that
passed
around
city
government
structure,
I
don't
see
how
we
can
justify
that
currently
somehow
there's
less
than
what
we
supported
for
over
30
years.
So
again
I
and
then
we
do
have
projections
that
are
here
again
just
off
the
reserves
alone.
B
We
could
fund
the
position
moving
forward,
but
we
also
have
these
future
positions
where
we
will
decide
what
our
levy
should
be,
so
that
decision
could
be
made
at
that
time
and
again.
Member
vice
president
brent
brought
up
the
fact
that-
and
I
brought
it
up
as
well-
that
there
there
is
going
to
be
a
change
in
leadership
in
two
years,
and
so
there
are
future
decisions
that
will
be
made
and
also
specific
to
what
vice
president
brandt
brought
up.
B
We
were,
I
lost
my
train
of
thought
here,
but
vice
president
brant
covered
a
lot
of
the
specifics
around
levy
projections.
This
is
an
estimate
once
again,
so
we
we
have
a
plethora
of
information
that
was
provided.
B
That
was
provided
ahead
of
time,
so
I
do
believe
that
we
have
enough
information
to
make
a
decision
specific
to
full-time
or
part-time,
and
it
would
be
appropriate
to
then
say
that
changes
to
the
job
description
would
have
would
happen
after
that,
because
we
would
need
to
approve
the
new
job
description
language
and
we
would
need
to
perf
to
update
things
like
the
benefits
package
like
sick
time.
That
work
would
already
have
to
be
done,
anyways
to
adjust
the
job
description,
so
I
don't.
B
I
think
it
would
be
putting
the
the
even
with
the
payment
structure
we
don't
know
who
would
we
be?
We
don't
know
who
we'd
be
looking
at
as
a
candidate
pool,
so
the
the
document
that
was
previously
up
on
screen
that
showed
what
the
salary
is
for.
As
far
as
the
steps
are
concerned,
we
don't
know
where
that
person
would
end
up
being,
but
we
do
have
projections
that
are
here
so
again.
I
do
believe
we
have
enough
information
to
move
forward.
B
I
would
like
support
in
doing
that
today.
It
just
makes
sense-
and
I
don't
want
to
put
us
in
a
position
where
we
continue
to
strip
down
the
bet
that
just
doesn't
make
good
sense
to
me
next,
so
that
that
concludes
my
comments.
At
this
time,
mayor
frye
has
removed
his
name
from
q.
So
next
we
have
member
jenkins
and
q
and
you
have
the
floor.
D
D
I
I
agree
with
you
that
the
world
has
changed
covet,
19
the
racial
reckoning
that
the
entire
world
is
experiencing
so
many
challenges.
I
mean
right
now
we're
in
the
midst
of
a
potential
world
war,
so
I'm
really
not
sure
why
we
would
keep
doing
the
same
thing
recognizing
that
things
have
changed.
D
B
Okay,
a
point
of
clarification
from
the
clerk
we,
I
did
raise
a
substitute
motion
that
was
seconded
before
we
realized.
There
was
further
discussion
that
needed
to
be
had
and
we
have
allowed
for
that.
Do
we
need
to
raise
the
motion
again
or
does
it
suffice
that
we've
already
given
the
motion-
and
it
has
been
seconded.
C
That
would
suffice.
Madam
chair,
it,
I
think,
might
be
a
good
idea
for
you
to
restate
the
motion
before
going
any
further,
so.
B
It's
an
amendment
to
the
underlying
motion
and
that
I've
added
language
that
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
we
would
discuss
and
approve
changes
to
the
job
description.
J
It
did
I
seconded
steve's.
D
I
I
I'm
sorry
yeah,
I
should
have
put
my
name
on
there
so
just
to
clarify,
I
think,
we're
all
asking
for
the
same
question
here.
This
vote
that
we're
about
to
take
would
be
acknowledging
the
amendment
that
president
priest
stenson
made
to
vice
president
brandt's
motion.
So
this
is
not
voting
just
to
be
clear
on
the
underlying
motion,
which
is
to
which
would
be
to
increase
the
hours
worked
up
to
40
and
to
pay
for
a
full-time
position.
So
just
be
clear,
we
are
not
voting
on
that.
B
And
then
I
I
recognize
our
clerk
miss
brock
if
she
had
anything
additional
to
add
based
on
that.
C
President
priest
stinson,
the
only
thing
I
would
have
to
add
is
that
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
restate
your
amen,
amended
motion.
Thank.
B
You
I
do
see
member
brent
is
in
queue.
Is
it
around
clarity
of
the
motion,
since
we
have
moved
on
from
discussion
at
this
point?
That's
correct.
F
B
Thank
you
vice
president
brandt.
So
with
that
being
said,
let
me
go
ahead
and
restate
the
motion,
which
is
to
approve
full
time
at
40
hours
a
week.
The
bet
senior
advisor,
also
known
as
the
executive
secretary,
and
that
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
we
would
add
to
the
agenda
and
approve
any
changes
that
to
the
job
description.
I
You
and
so
just
clarifying
again
so
we
are.
We
are
all
acknowledging
that
chair.
Pre
stinson's
motion
has
taken
precedent
over
the
first
motion
and
we
will
then
be
voting
not
on
the
amendment,
but
on
the
question
that
we've
been
debating
for
the
last
you
know,
30
minutes
or
so
so,
just
just
is
that
the
direction
that
we're
going
we're.
We
are
voting
on
the
underlying
question
as
to
whether
this
should
be
a
full-time
position
or
not.
B
Clerk
brock
before
you
speak,
I've
seen
in
previous
meetings
that
when
the
the
current
motion
also
addresses
the
original
motion,
we
typically
don't
vote
on
the
original
motion
since
the
the
language.
That's
in
the
beginning,
before
my
additional
edition
already
states
that
we
would
be
approving
a
full-time
vet
advisor,
also
known
as
the
executive
secretary,
so
would
we
need
to
vote
on
the
original
motion
from
vice
president
brandt.
C
B
All
right
any
other
clarity
around
what
we're
voting
on.
B
All
right
being
that
the
there
is
no
further
discussion,
there
is
no
further
clarity
being
requested
at
this
time.
We
will
now
move
forward
which
the
motion
has
already
been
seconded,
so
we
would
now
move
forward
on
the
vote
before
us
and
clerk.
Can
you
please
call
the
role.
I
B
So
it
would
appear
that
we
have
equal
votes
here,
so
the
motion
does
not
pass.
That
motion
then
fails
because
we're
at
an
impasse
and
we
have
equal,
nays
and
yays.
So
are
there?
B
I
B
Wonderful,
could
you
please
present
your
new
motion.
I
This
is
going
to
be
kind
of
a
chicken
or
the
egg
scenario
in
that,
if
we
are
asking
staff
to
provide
an
analysis
of
what
this
job
would
entail,
then
they're
going
to
need
some
direction
from
our
body
as
to
what
we
want
it
to
entail.
I
I
B
That
makes
sense.
Is
there
anyone?
Is
there
any
other
member
that
needs
clarity
on
what
was
just
presented
to
us,
which
is
then
going
to
turn
into
a
formal
motion
to
restate
correct
mayor
frye,
just
so
everyone's
clear
about
what
the
motion
is
that
we're
voting
on?
I.
F
B
F
L
Madam
chair,
this
is
a
new
motion
proposed
by
board
member
brandt
and
it
would
need
a
sec,
and
I
put
it
in
the
chat.
B
Great,
I
also
have
a
note
here
that
we
there
is
a
member
that
needs
to
take
a
bio
break,
so
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
take
a
five
minute
recess
to
allow
for
the
bio
break.
J
The
park
board
meeting
is
going
on
right
now
and
I'm
missing
it
and
I'm
going
to
step
out
of
this
meeting.
So
I
have
to
leave
this
then.
This
is
why
we
have
to
sort
of
figure
out
when
these
meetings
don't
occur.
On
the
same
day,
it
was
a
conflict
today
because
of
the
third
and
fourth,
because
there
was
five
wednesdays,
so
in
future
reference
any
park
board
member
would
be
in
a
very
difficult
scenario,
come
five
o'clock,
but
I
am
going
to
step
out
and
go
to
the
park
board
meeting.
B
F
Looking
at
my
own
wording,
which
was
sort
of
oral,
I
would
say
regarding
maybe
in
the
last
line
or
two
regarding
the
appropriate
duties
of
the
position.
Yes,
okay,.
B
Yeah,
oh,
go
ahead.
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
suggest
that,
because
we
have
a
member
that
isn't
listening
right
now,
that
is
going
to
be
present
for
a
vote.
We
should
wait
until
after
the
bio
break,
so
that
vice
president
excuse
me
so
that
member
jenkins
can
hear
what
you're
going
to
say
around
the
specific
wording
to
make
sure
we're
clear,
certainly
all
right
and
just
quick
clarification
from
the
clerk.
I
we
don't
need
to
take
a
vote
to
take
a
break
correct.
B
B
Thank
you
so,
where
we
left
off
was
vice
president
brent
restating
what
his
motion
is
so
we're
clear
on
what
we're
voting
on
here.
B
Vice
president
brent,
you
may
be
on
mute,
but
the
floor
is
yours
to
restate
your
motion.
Thank
you.
F
You're
right,
it
would
be
a
staff
directive
that
the
previous
position,
description
for
the
board
of
estimate
and
taxation
executive
secretary
be
updated,
based
on
interviews
with
board
members
and
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretaries
regarding
the
appropriate
duties
of
the
position.
F
B
Thank
you,
member
fry.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
agree
with
the
direction
of
the
vice
president
brandt's
staff
direction
here.
I
If
I
I'd
like
to,
however,
add,
though
the
other
officers
that
are
presently
listed
in
the
bylaws,
that
also
are
doing
some
of
the
work
right
now,
and
so,
if
we
could
just
add
the
cfo
city
attorney
and
clerk
to
also
be
interviewed
in
drafting
the
analysis
around
the
position
with
with
those
with
that
amendment,
I
would
support
and
and
also
one
other
thing,
if
we
could
also
include
the
pay
analysis
in
there
as
well,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone
here
and
get
that
done
as
long.
B
F
B
We
have
a
new
motion
in
front
of
us,
then
so
mayor
fry's.
What
we
have
before
us
is
the
brant
directive
that
the
previous
position
description
be
updated,
based
on
interviews
with
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretary,
as
well
as
the
charter
listed
departments
so
hr.
The
cfo.
I
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so,
just
just
to
restate
for
clarity,
so
the
brand
directive
would
have
interviews
taken
with
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretaries
agreed
and
board
members
agreed
and
by
the
way,
when
you
say
board
members,
I'm
assuming
you're,
just
referencing
those
that
were
elected
exclusively
as
board
of
estimate
taxation
commissioners
is
that
right.
I
I'm
open
to
that
too.
Only
hesitation
there
is
that
there's
a
whole
lot
of
living
former
commissioners
in
some
form
that
had
been
on
this
board.
I
mean
there's
multiple
mayors,
multiple
council
members,
that
have
done
this
work
in
the
past,
and
I
don't
know
how
extensive
we're
going
to
ask
this.
This
worked.
F
I'm
sorry,
mr
mayor,
I
thought
you
meant
the
non-um,
the
other
electives.
Besides
president
priest
incident
myself,
I
was
not
including
the
previous
members
of
this
board.
I
Okay,
so
you
I
think
I
understand
so
you
are
just
let's
just
for
clarity
sake.
You
are
saying
former
commissioners
wheeler
and
becker,
which
I.
F
I
F
Okay,
you
see
the
value
in
that.
I
was
suggesting
that
all
six
of
us
be
interviewed,
but
I
have
no
problem
with
interviewing
the
two
most
recent
incumbent
members
of
the
board.
I
So
I'll
I'll
withdraw
my
point
on
that.
I
I
I
agree
with
your
so
your
present
motion
I
agree
with
which,
which
would
be
interviews
with
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretaries
and
present
board
members
so
agreed.
My
addition
would
include
the
I
believe
it's
three
officers
that
are
listed
within
the
bylaws,
which
would
be
the
cfo,
the
cao
city
attorney
and
the
clerk
and
then
additionally
have
it
include
an
analysis
for
pay.
So
we're
then
not
coming
back
yet
again
and
having
a
second
analysis
for
pay.
I
Okay-
so
I
see
this
so
ms
hanson
has
put
together
this
new
directive
brand
directive
that
the
previous
position
description
for
the
bet
executive,
the
secretary,
be
updated
based
on
interviews
with
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretaries,
current
board
member
city
attorney
chief
financial
officer
and
city
clerk
regarding
appropriate
duties
of
the
position,
including
the
pay
analysis-
that's
perfect.
So
I
would.
I
would
support
that.
B
Can
you
provide
for
clarity?
Miss
brock?
Can
you
provide
when
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
is
actually
the
next
two
regularly
scheduled
meetings.
C
President
priest
instant,
I'm
looking
that
up
now
april
27th
is
the
next
scheduled
meeting
followed
by
may
11th.
B
Great,
so
to
restate
what
I'm,
what
I'm
proposing
here,
as
my
substitute,
would
be
the
the
brant
directive
that
the
previous
position,
description
for
the
bet
executive
secretary
be
updated
based
on
interviews
with
previous
full
and
part-time
executive
secretaries,
current
board
members,
the
city
attorney,
the
chief
financial
officer
and
the
city
clerk
regarding
the
appropriate
duties
of
the
position,
including
the
pay
analysis.
With
the
report
to
be
provided
at
the
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
of
april
20
april
27th.
B
I
believe
the
mayor
withdrew
what
he
stated,
because
he
was
in
agreement
with
your
amendment,
so
that
would
be
your
motion
would
be
now
the
original
motion
being
that
he
withdrew
his
and
then
followed
by
my
substitute
motion
that
would
include
the
language
of
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
for
april
27
2022.,
mayor
frye.
I
recognize
you.
I
Thank
you.
Yes,
I'm
supportive,
I
I
we
should
just
note
who
we
are
directing
to
do
this
and
I
believe
it
would
be
hr
and
or
jeff
and
then
just
to
quickly
ask
to
make
sure
that
this
time
frame
is
feasible,
so
that
we're
not
directing
him
or
them
to
do
something
that
they
then
can't
accomplish.
B
Great,
I
am
100
in
support
of
that
makes
good
sense,
but
we
also
have
in
queue
here
so
before
we
get
to
you,
member
jenkins,
if
we
can
have
a
response
from
our
yes
from
mr
gate
smith,
please.
K
This
to
me
looks
like
a
very
extensive
time,
commitment
to
interview
what
looks
like,
maybe
15,
to
20
some
people
and
and
write
a
report
relative
to
that,
and
I
I
assume
that
would
be
reported,
not
a
recommendation
so
and-
and
I
feel
a
little
I'm
not
I'm
not
I'm
not
trained
to
do
this
kind
of
work,
and
I
would
I
would
want
to
defer
to
my
department
to
see
who
might
be
able
to
do
this
kind
of
work
on
on
your
behalf
as
a
bet,
and
it
may
be
that
we
need
to
hire
an
outside
consultant
to
to
do
the
thorough
kind
of
work
that
we
needed
to
have
done
in
order
to
make
this
make
this
information
available
and
usable
to
the
complete
board.
K
So
I
again,
I
I
just
don't
think
I'm
prepared
to
to
to
conduct
this,
and
especially
with
a
with
a
date
of
april
27th.
This
is
a
fairly
as
it's
being
described,
a
fairly
elaborate.
B
Thank
you
I'll
recognize
member
jenkins
at
this
time,
followed
by
mayor
frye.
Is
that
correct,
you're
back
in
queue?
D
Thank
you
chair,
please
stenson.
I
I'm
gonna
add
to
your
woes,
mr
gatesmith,
and-
and
maybe
maybe
the
chair
may
not
be
amenable
to
this
amendment,
but
I
do
think
we
should
look
at
other
positions
that
are
doing
it.
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
there
are
other
executive
secretaries
for
boards
of
estimate
and
taxation.
D
D
So,
madame
chair,
I
would
offer
a
friendly
amendment
that
we
add
that
to
the
scope
of
review
is
that
we
look
at
similarly
positions.
B
Before
I
speak,
remember
fry
you
rnq!
Thank
you,
member
jenkins,
for
that
friendly
amendment.
Thank
you,
mayor
fry.
I
I
I'm
wondering
if
we
might
short
track
this
a
little
bit
where
we
would
have
a
representative
or
a
designee
from
either
side
of
the
last
vote,
just
get
together
and
hash
out
some
of
the
responsibilities
that
they
feel
would
be
fair.
We
come
to
some
form
of
negotiation.
I
We
present
those
that
that
general
job
description
to
the
rest
of
the
board
and
then
we
vote
on
it.
I'm
sorry
to
do
this
to
change
it
around,
but
you
know
this.
It
just
seems
like
it
would
be
a
bit
easier
and
it
seems
like
that's
the
direction
that
we
might
go
down
anyway,
whereas
we'll
have
a
representative
from
from
one
side
of
the
from
one
side
of
the
three
and
then
the
other
three
to
ultimately
come
up
with
something
that
works.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
frye,
point
of
clarity
here,
so
member
jenkins
has
offered
a
friendly
amendment
mayor
fry.
Are
you
proposing
yet
another
friendly
amendment.
I
You
know
I'll
support
the
friendly
amendment,
just
okay,
just
to
move
to
the
next
phase
here.
But
my
concern,
based
on
what
I'm
learning
from
hr,
is
really
that
we're
we're
providing
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
And
I
wonder
if
we
might
expedite
this-
which
I
think
is
something
that
we
all
want
by.
G
M
Yes,
I
will
put
in
the
chat
what
I
believe
will
be
the
the
brand
directive,
including
the
amen
that
friendly
amendment
from
president
jenkins,
okay,.
B
Before
you
start
typing,
but
it
will
be
at
the
end
one
more
friendly
amendment,
which
is
to
acknowledge
pretty
much
what
we've
all
said
and
what
we
all
need,
because
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
working
collaboratively
collaboratively
as
a
board
and
meeting
the
needs
of
what
board
members
have
said
that
they
needed.
I
will
acknowledge,
after
after
mr
gate,
smith's
comment
about
time.
B
If
we
could
add
on
to
that
last
friendly
amendment
that
at
each
regularly
scheduled
meeting,
we
will
provide
an
update
as
to
where
we
are
with
this
work
so
that,
as
we
meet
each
time,
we
are
clear
about
what
has
already
happened
and
have
an
idea
of
how
much
more
time
is
needed
at
that
point,
so
that
we're
kind
of
not
leaving
it
open-ended,
but
we're
also
not
putting
a
firm
time
constraint
on
any
date,
but
rather
asking
for
updates
at
each
meeting.
F
Thank
you.
I
I
think
that
I
would
oppose
the
jenkins
friendly
amendment
on
the
basis
that
there
are
so
few
boards
of
estimate
and
taxation
in
existence
across
the
country.
F
I
know
that
new
york
no
longer
has
one
and
the
only
two
I
could
find
in
a
quick
search
were
greenwich,
connecticut
and
cambridge
massachusetts,
both
of
which
are
operating
under
different
state
laws
and
are
much
smaller
cities.
I
believe,
and
so
my
preference
would.
I
don't
think
we
would
gain
much
and
the
duties
may
be
entirely
different
as
well.
So
I
would
prefer
not
to
go
to
other
jurisdictions
to
both
lighten
the
load
on
staff
and
because
I
don't
believe
we
would
get
much.
B
Thank
you
vice
president
brent.
I
would
also
add
to
that
that,
from
my
looking
into
this
places
that
don't
have
bets
have
comptrollers,
and
so
that
is
where
that
work
has
belonged
and
in
some
cases
in
the
finance
office,
the
comptroller
has
even
been
eliminated
and
that
work
folded
into
the
finance
office.
So,
given
that,
I
would
also
be
opposed
to
the
friendly
amendment
just
as
a
discussion
item,
but
that
item
would
still
for
clarity
either
clerk
hanson
or
click
rock.
B
What
would
be
then
the
current
amendment
as
we're
voting
now?
Would
it
be
my
friendly
amendment
and
then
working
backwards.
M
Chairprie
stinson,
I
have
put
in
the
chat
what
I
believe
the
motion
to
be.
There
really
is
no
such
thing
as
a
friendly
amendment,
and
so
at
this
point
I
think
you
should
brandt
and
make
this
motion
and
get
a
second
and
then
vote
it
up
or
down.
If
it
passes
or
fails,
then
you
you
go
on
from
there
and
then
and
then
take
additional
motions.
M
B
B
Mayor
frye,
are
you
offering
yet
another
substitute
motion
then
to
the
language?
That's
there
now.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
No,
I'm
not
doing
that.
It's
this
at
that
point,
I'm
not
offering
another
motion
at
this
point
just
so
we
don't
confuse
things
anymore,
but
I
was
making
a
suggestion
and
writing
there
that
we
that
I
had
previously
done.
I
was
just
clarifying
it
for
everyone
else.
B
Great,
I
believe
we
have
clerk
hanson.
M
Madam
chair,
I
was
just
gonna,
I'm
just
have
let
you
know
that
there
has
not
yet
been
a
second
to
board
member
brandt's
motion.
B
Yes,
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
am
aware
of
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
read
the
motion
at
hand.
So
everybody
was
clear
what
the
motion
was
and
now
we
will
be
moving
to
that
brant
directive.
Is
there
a
second.
D
F
B
Right
that
motion
passes.
Are
there
any
announcements
from
any
members
at
this
time
before
we
move
to
adjournment.
F
Could
I
make
one
I
mean
yes,
I
would
just
want
to
respond
to
the
mayor
that
I
have
no
objections
to
sitting
down
with
member
koski
to
discuss
the
job
description,
but
I
don't
want
to
foreclose
the
input
of
ms
priestensen's
of
president
priestensen
as
well.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
The
only
other
announcement
that
I
have
is
just
to
state
that
I
really
appreciate
how
this
board
is
coming
together
to
acknowledge
all
of
our
feedback
and
what
we
need,
and
so
I
I
think,
that's
a
wonderful
thing,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
announcement,
seeing
that
we
have
no
further
announcements
with
that,
we've
concluded
all
business
to
come
before
the
board.
Without
objection,
we
stand
adjourned.