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A
B
The
regular
meeting
of
the
lindale
lakes
special
service
district
advisory
board
will
now
begin
good
morning.
My
name
is
mike
mclaughlin.
I
will
be
facilitating
this
meeting
of
the
lindell
lake
special
service
district
advisory
board.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum
advisory
board
members.
B
B
B
President
cole
rogers
is
not
present,
so
there
being
three
advisory
board
members,
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
can
proceed
with
the
meeting.
Christine
is
here:
oh,
very
good,
christina
hi,
there
hi,
christina
hi.
B
Well,
we
will
note
that
you
are
in
attendance
as
well,
so
we
have
four
board
members
present,
I'm
also
joined
by
andrew
carlson
and
david
bauer
with
public
works,
and
it
does
not
appear
that
any
other
members
of
the
public
have
joined
us
at
this
point
there
being
a
forum
of
advisory
board
members
president,
we
will
proceed
and
adoption
of
the
agenda
and
the
minutes
are
the
first
item
up
on
the
agenda.
We
can
do
both
in
one
action
and
john.
C
B
B
Yeah
denise,
I
heard
you
christina
you're
on
mute,
approved,
very
good.
Sorry,
it
needs
to
be
heard
and
seen
on
the
video
to
be
official
and
john
megan
approve.
Rogers
is
not
present
that
action
is
taken.
We
have
not
been
joined
by
any
in
the
public,
so
we
will.
B
We
can
delay
the
public
comment
period
till
the
end
of
the
agenda,
the
if
anyone
does
attend
and
would
like
to
address
the
board,
we'll
move
on
very
quickly
to
the
20,
a
very
quick
review
of
the
2021
work
plan.
This
was
previously
sent
to
you.
We
kind
of
covered
this
new
format
a
year
ago,
so
maybe
just
hit
the
highlights
of.
B
We
did
again
a
detailed
version
of
the
summary
of
services,
so
this
was
all
highlighted
in
terms
of
the
total
amount
of
snow
that
fell
the
number
of
instances
of
graffiti
that
were
removed,
which
was
over
1600
over
the
course
of
the
year,
the
number
of
bags
of
trash
removed
as
part
of
the
paint
and
broom,
which
was
245
bags
of
trash.
That
was
not
on
the
streets
of
your
district
that
otherwise
would
have
been.
B
We
did
a
seasonal,
cleanup,
seasonal
lighting,
we
lit
177
trees
and
maintain
them
along
with
the
electrical
system,
and
we
can
talk
about
a
few
remaining
items
with
that
as
we
get
into
the
2022
work
plan
streetscape.
Of
course,
we
maintain
all
the
landscaping
and
water
all
the
the
planting
beds
and
emptied
your
36
trash
receptacles,
all
over
3
600
times
over
the
course
of
the
year
financial.
B
I
will
note
this
is
a
slightly
different
financial
than
what
I
had
reported
in
the
email
two
two
weeks
ago.
The
actual
surplus
is
22
443.
We
originally
had
a
slightly
higher
number.
We
realized
there
was
one
line
item
that
had
been
omitted
when
we
had
done
the
earlier
version.
So
this
is
the
true
and
correct
version
and
has
been
verified,
and
you
will
see
this
reflected
in
the
revised
budget
in
just
a
moment.
Any
questions
on
the
2021
annual
board,
otherwise,
we'll
move
on.
A
B
Yep,
we
actually
have
the
the
vendor
report
that
out
to
us,
so
we
know
how
many
we
have
an
inventory
so
that
when
we
get
near
low
we
can
just
automatically
remove
them.
F
We
can,
I
think,
definitely
easily
report
that
back
to
you
absolutely.
B
A
B
Okay,
we
can
move
on
to
the
2022
work
plan,
so
this
is
your
revised
budget.
So
again,
this
has.
The
the
adjustment
column
is
the
represents
the
surplus
from
year
end
2021,
so
it's
22
000
443
for
placeholder
purposes,
consistent
with
what
we've
done
in
the
past.
Those
dollars
were
allocated
to
your
snow
services
line
item,
but
please
know
those
dollars
can
be
allocated
to
any
of
these
other
line
items
in
in
your
budget,
the
so
your
amended
budget.
B
Is
now
for
this
year
for
2022
is
197
443
and
we
always
like
to
make
clear
this.
The
surplus
obviously
are
dollars
from
a
prior
year,
so
it
does
not
change
the
service
charges
imposed
this
year
that
still
stays
exactly
at
the
level
that
the
advisory
board
recommended
a
year
ago,
which
was
175
000.
B
We,
the
plan,
is
to
to
fulfill
the
the
normal
work
plan,
as
we
have
done
in
the
past.
We
do
want
to
hit
some
highlights,
though,
of
a
few
things,
and
we
can
talk
about
anything.
The
group
would
like.
First,
let's
start
with
the
hanging
basket
program,
we
a
couple
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
sort
of
where
we're
at
so
as
you'll
recall
a
year
ago.
B
The
discussion
was
to
order
and
install
30
plant
pole
planters,
what
we're
calling
pole
planters,
meaning
on
30
different
light
poles.
So
we
have
developed
this
deployment
plan,
which
places
at
least
one
pole
planter
hanging
basket
on
one
per
block
face
at
least
one
per
block
face
on
the
short,
the
short
blocks,
and
then
the
block
faces,
I
should
say,
and
then
some
additional
ones
on
the
longer
block
basis.
B
So
this
certainly
seemed
equitable
to
us
to
disperse
the
benefit,
since
all
of
the
property
owners
within
the
district
are
paying.
So
all
the
all
the
planters
and
the
liners
have
been
delivered
and
they
are
at
our
event
at
the
vendor.
So
they
everything
is
is
is
in
in-house.
B
If
you
will,
we
developed
a
planting
plan
recognizing
the
reality
of
your
district.
There
are
some
locations
that
on
the
south
side
of
lake
street
that
were
going
to
be
shady
almost
all
of
the
day,
so
we
identified
basically
came
up
with
a
sun
location
plan
in
a
shade
location
plan
to
encourage
to
plant
plants
that
are
more
shade,
tolerant
in
the
shady
locations,
and
you
see
those
indicated
by
the
little
blue
markers
here.
B
So
in
total,
we've
ordered
over
660
plants,
which
is
approximately
22
per
planter,
so
22
per
pole,
those
that
were
ordered
back
in
january
and
we
it's
typical
we,
you
know
we
usually
take
delivery
sometime,
the
third
fourth
week
of
may,
depending
on
the
weather
and
when
the
nurseries
are,
are
ready
to
ship
the
product.
So
please
know
that
everything
is
is
on
order.
B
The
the
we
did,
we
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
trying
to
figure
out,
learn
from
other
communities
that
we
thought
had
successful
hanging
basket.
Programs.
We
contacted
those
communities
to
find
out
exactly
what
they
planted
and
what
their
maintenance
approach
was
beyond
just
watering
as
needed.
B
So
please
know
that
we,
we
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
this,
to
to
try
to
have
this,
be
as
successful
as
successful
a
program
as
possible
and
based
on
that,
we
came
up
with
a
plant
palette
of
petunia,
a
variety
of
things.
I've
just
listed
a
few
here,
so
it's
both
flowering
plants
as
well
as
trailing
plants,
so
that
there
really
is
a
good
visual
impact.
You
know.
Certainly
this
can
evolve
over
time
over
the
years
as
you
have
these,
so
just
because
we're
doing
this
the
year
one.
B
If
we
find
something,
doesn't
grow
very
well,
we
we
can
certainly
mix
it
up
in
in
future
seasons
for
maintenance.
We
expect
that
we'll
need
to
water
them
daily
or
as
needed.
B
If
we
do,
we
go
into
a
rainy
period,
maybe
we
won't
need
to
water
them
daily,
so
it
won't
be
automatic,
but
it
will
be
prepared
to,
if
needed,
to
make
sure
that
the
the
plant
health
of
the
plants
and
that
they
stay
viable
and
that,
based
on
our
best
practice,
research
fertilizing
at
least
every
three
weeks-
tends
to
encourage
the
most
growth
so
being
hanging
baskets.
The
nutrients
tend
to
to
flow
out
of
them
rather
quickly,
because
the
growing
medium
we
also
in
january
did
a
test.
B
So
this
is
down
in
on
lake
street.
You
can
see
christina's
shop
back
here
in
the
background,
but
we
actually
did
a
test
with
the
bucket
trucks
and
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
before
we.
You
know
you
know
basically
suss
out.
If
there
were
any
issues
we
needed
to
know
now
or
wanted
to
know
now
in
terms
of
installation.
B
We
did
learn
a
few
things
and
we
have
are
going
to
make
a
few,
not
modifications
to
the
planter,
but
the
technique
in
terms
of
how
we
put
them
up
on
the
pole
when
the
plants
are
ready.
We
can
install
these.
So
please
know
that
we
also
did
a
did
a
trial.
This
we
took
this
down
right
away,
so
this
is
not
out
there.
You
would
not
see
this
if
you
went
out
there
today,
but
so
again
just
wanted
to
describe
any
questions
on
the
the
hanging
basket
program.
B
Great
moving
on
so
again
right
now,
third
fourth
week
of
may
is
typically
depending
on
you
know.
We
certainly,
if
there's
a
risk
of
frost,
we're
not
going
to
put
anything
out
there.
B
So
that
really
is
the
big
determinant,
because
we
obviously
wouldn't
want
to
put
all
this
investment
out
there
and
have
it
have
it
all
freeze
up
on
so
moving
on
into
other
back
to
2022
budget
and
work
plan,
streetscape
maintenance,
since
we
last
met,
as
we
described
to
you
a
year
ago,
the
your
streetscape
maintenance
contract
was
rebid
and
the
pricing
stayed
pretty
flat
and
in
some
cases,
actually
went
down.
B
So
we
were
pleased
with
that
which,
given
the
environment
of
everything
happening
in
the
economy,
isn't
wasn't
a
foregone
conclusion.
We,
it
ended
up
that
the
vendor
that
had
the
contract
before
the
work
was
awarded
to
them
again
because
they
were
the
low
bidder,
the
lowest,
responsive
and
responsible
bitter.
To
that
word,
the
we
also
staying
on
the
2022,
your
snow
contract
was
rebid
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
already
prices.
B
There
also
stayed
pretty
flat,
and
in
that
case
the
work
was
also
ended.
Up
being
awarded
to
the
same
vendor
that
had
the
work
previously
so
the
feedback,
so
we
did
have
a
question.
The
way
these
contracts
are
set
up
is
that
they
are
annual
in
the
case
of
streetscape
and
seasonal.
In
the
case
of
snow
services,
does
the
group
have
an
opinion
on
whether
to
extend
the
snow
contract
for
the
upcoming
2022-23
winter
season?
B
So
it's
it's
an
option
that
the
city
has
based
on
how
we
did
the
bidding,
so
we
can
just
extend
it.
There
is
a
cpi
that
increases
the
that
would
increase
the
cost
or
we
can
go
back
out
to
bid.
B
Yes,
we
know
what
the
the
vendor
that
the
work
was
awarded
to
was
determined
by
the
city's
finance
department
to
qualify
for
the
program
under
which
the
work
was
bid.
So
the
question
was
asked
and
answered
by
the
finance
department.
John.
A
B
B
No,
we
there's
two
different
contracts.
Sorry
with
15
districts.
We
we
had
a
lot
of
things
happen
this
year,
so
you
had
a.
There
was
a
different
snow
vendor
for
the
prior
winter
season.
This
is
a
new
snow
vendor
and
it
which
is
the
background
with
what
john
was
just
saying
there.
B
There
was
a
question
about
the
the
the
eligibility
of
the
vendor
that
the
work
was
awarded
to
and
again
we
confirmed
with
finance,
or
he
asked
the
question
of
finance
if
they
qualified
and
they
they
told
they
did
so
the
work
the
contract
went
forward
and
the
work
was
awarded
to
them.
F
Correct
yeah
there
was
terrorist
conversation.
I
mean
we
have
no
reason
to
believe
that
that
decision
was
incorrect,
so.
A
D
Yeah,
I
would
agree,
I
mean
michael,
do
you
have
any
thoughts
of
I
mean
how
this
if
we
went
to
a
new
vendor,
how
that
cost
might
compare
with
going
with
the
second
year
of
this
contract.
B
This
I
will
and
I'm
saying
this
from
memory,
but
your
pricing
was
really
close.
So
if
that
were
to
hold,
I
would
say
there.
B
Andy
and
david
are
going
to
correct
my
memory
here,
but
I
I
remember
this
being
a
very
slim
margin
of
difference.
We
had
two
bidders
for
the
snow
contracts
for
for
the
districts
and
they
were,
for
the
most
part,
pretty
close
in
a
lot
of
the
districts.
So
if
that
pricing
were
to
hold
it
would
not,
and
if
we
were
to
get
similar
type
of
pricing,
I
I
I
feel
comfortable,
saying
that
we
wouldn't
expect
to
see
a
big
increase.
B
This
was
also
bid
out
six
months
ago
and
the
economy
has
changed.
So
you
know
kathy
gets
all
over.
That.
E
Yeah,
I
think,
because
they've
done
one
year
and
they've
done
a
good
job
and
it
would
be
like
they
wouldn't.
You
know
a
new
group
wouldn't
have
to
learn
all
the
routes
and
all
that
that
stuff
and
then,
if
we
went
to
re-bid
again,
it
may
be
really
high
because
of
the
condition
of
our
economy.
Right
now,
so
I
think
gas
prices
going
up
and
etc.
So
I
think
we're
better
off
sticking
with
the
same
extension.
A
B
Yes,
yes,
that's
not
unusual,
but
yes
they
they
have.
They
have
multiple
districts
that
they
service,
that
they
were
learning.
B
B
Very
good,
the,
as
we
typically
do,
we'll
be
doing
a
walk
through
of
the
district
here
with
the
spring
to
note
any
items
we
we
have
had
a
number
separate
from
that,
though.
Please
know
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
reported
damage
things
items
of
damage
that
have
been
reported
to
us,
that
we
have
already
in
queue,
so
they
didn't
wait
for
a
walk-through
to
be
clear
and
very
quickly
so
denise.
Thank
you
for
the
the
heads
up
on
the
damage
to
to
your
friend's
column.
B
Christina
had
contacted
us
that
there
was
some
damage
at
her
location
that
we
have
already
got
a
work
order
and
process
in
place.
We.
E
B
Thank
you
appreciate
that
feedback.
We
also
had
a
on
the
south
side
on
the
the
200
block
on
the
south
side
of
lake
street.
We
had
a
motor
vehicle
accident
that
took
out
one
of
the
trash
receptacles
that
we,
after
doing
a
quick
analysis,
we've
determined
that
it's
in
in
some
cases
where
it's
going
to
be
less
expensive
to
just
repair
and
refinish
a
trash
receptacle.
B
We're
going
to
do
that
to
save
the
district
money
rather
than
just
automatically
buying
a
new
receptacle,
and
once
we
get
it
re-powder-coated,
you
won't
be
able
to
tell
the
difference
to
be
clear.
So
we
please
know
that
that
is
in
motion
already
and
then
we
did
have,
and
this
is
kind
of
a
segue
into
the
seasonal
lighting.
B
For
this
year
we
did
have
a
couple
of
locations
where
trees
could
not
be
lit
this
last
winter
season
because
of
accidents
that
took
out
light
poles,
which
is
where
our
circuits
run
through.
That
makes
sense,
so
we
don't
control
when
the
traffic
light
poles
are
repaired,
so
we're
dependent
upon
the
traffic
division
within
the
city
to
make
those
repairs
before
we
can
go
in
and
repair
the
circuit
for
the
district.
B
But
please
know
that
we're
working
with
the
traffic
division-
and
our
hope
is
that
before
this,
this
upcoming
lighting
season
later
this
year
that
we
can
get
those
repaired.
So
please,
you
know
we
were
definitely
tracking
them
and
they're
just
in
the
middle
of
winter,
there's
just
certain
things
that
that
couldn't
be
accomplished.
B
So
that's
one
piece:
we
also
had
a
couple
of
trees
that
the
snow
operator,
the
district
snow
contractor
inadvertently
damaged
the
the
cable,
the
the
circuit
cable
on
the
tree,
so
those
are
being
repaired,
but
not
at
a
cost
to
the
district
so
know
that
those
with
a
couple
of
instances
of
those
and
then
other
repairs
are
they
are,
are
will
be
in
motion
here
and
we
did
have.
We
also
have
a
couple
of
trees
that
are
going
to
be
replaced
david.
Is
that
correct
lynn?
B
Lake,
because
aren't
there
a
couple
trees,
we're
having
where
we
have
to
have
the
electrical
pull
back,
so
the
park
board
reached
out
to
us
said
they're
going
to
be
replacing
some
trees.
Our
protocol
is
we
go
in
pull
back
the
electrical
the
park
board
removes
the
tree
replants
the
tree,
and
then
we
reinstall
the
electrical
so
know
that
there's
a
couple
locations
where
that
work
is
underway.
B
The
we
want
to
have
a
conversation
about
seasonal
lighting,
but
any
other
items
specifically
related
to
maintenance.
Before
we
talk
about
seasonal
lighting
for
this
coming
season,.
A
Yes,
please,
the
as
the
streetscape
has
aged
and
the
uneven
level
of
many
of
the
concrete
portions
of
the
sidewalk
have
gotten
to
become
ginormous,
to
say
the
least.
I
have
been
on
other
districts
along
chicago
avenue
and
around
big
buildings,
where
I
see
a
technique
being
used
as
opposed
to
putting
in
asphalt
patches,
which
are
kind
of
ugly
and
disappear.
A
They
are.
It
looks
to
me
like
they're
grinding
down
the
the
sidewalks
to
match,
and-
and
I
don't
know
how
that's
done-
I've
never
seen
the
equipment
in
in
action,
but
I
I
wonder
if
that,
if
the
special
service
districts
have
ever
utilized
this
as
a
way
to
try
to
fix
something,
that's
as
long
as
you've
got
trees
and
sidewalks
are
going
to
be
popping.
It's
not
safe.
A
You
know
people
are
going
to
be
tripping,
and
so
I
just
wondered
if
that
is
something
that
we
might
assess
and,
of
course
would
have
some
influence
on
a
a
placeholder
in
our
budget.
If
that
could
be
done
so
educate.
F
I'm
gonna
interrupt
just
for
a
second
here
members.
We
can
definitely
address
some
of
these
in-season
services
for
sure
the
sidewalks,
the
lighting
and
so
forth,
but
just
as
a
quick
time
check
it's
10
55.
According
to
my
watch.
Maybe
we
can
postpone
this
part
of
the
conversation.
F
In
terms
of
you
know,
we
got
a
broad
overview
of
in
service
for
2022
and
if
we
can
transition
to
your
2023
proposed
budget
just
so,
we
can
ensure
that
everybody
present
has
a
chance
to
weigh
in
on
that
thoughts.
Is
that,
then
we
can
come
back
to
our
conversation.
B
A
B
A
B
And
to
andy's
point
we,
we
should
probably
because
there's
two
big
things
we
still
want
to
talk
about,
but.
B
So
we
can
well,
we
actually
will
we'll
still
have
a
quorum,
even
if
stu
has
to
leave
so
just
everybody's
clear
all
right,
so
we
included
so
we'll
move
on
to
2023,
and
then
we
want
to
come
back
to
an
item
for
this
year
for
seasonal
lighting.
B
B
For
20,
so
I'm
back
on
2022.
seasonal
lighting.
We
wanted
to
ask
the
board
if
you
wanted
to
consider
going
with
led
stringers
for
your
holiday
lights
for
this
upcoming
winter
season.
No.
B
Unless
the
world
has
changed
so
do
you
want
to
quickly
describe
what
we
have
learned
in
one
other
district
with
regard
to
led
to
other
districts?
Excuse
me
with
led
stringers,
and
let
me
preface
all
of
this
very
quickly
by
saying
you
don't
have
to
change
anything.
If
you
want
incandescence
we'll
order
incandescents,
okay,
so
we're
not
telling
you
you
have
to
do
it
this
way.
B
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you
guys
know
we
want
to
share
with
you
our
experience,
which
overall
has
been
pretty
positive
in
other
districts
that
have
switched
over
to
leds.
Okay,
so
the
there
is
a
cost
implication
up
front.
The
led
stringers
are
definitely
more
expensive
by
a
factor
of
about
2.5.
B
Okay,
the
the
costs
for
installation
are
the
same.
The
removal
costs
are
a
little
bit
higher
because
they
need
to
be
taken
down
more
carefully
and
there
are
storage
costs
for
the
off-season
associated
with
leds
benefits.
What
we
have
found
so
far
for
the
most
part
is
that
the
lifespan
of
a
stringer
is
at
least
three
season,
if
not
more
so,
if
the
cost
is
2.5,
the
lifespan
is
at
least
3x
at
this
point
and
maybe
greater
okay.
B
Overall,
the
electrical
utility
costs
are
lower
with
a
little
bit
of
a
caveat
and
one
of
the
things
that
we're
saying
is
significantly
better
performance,
the
led
stringers
significantly.
B
What's
the
right
syntax,
we
have
many
fewer
issues
with
gfi
faults
happening
with
the
led
stringers,
so
the
lights
stay
on
more
consistently
because
water
isn't
intruding
into
them.
So
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint,
you
have
lights
on
more
of
the
time
of
when
you
want
lights
on
and
we're
seeing
lower
costs
for
electrical,
you
know
the
electrical
contractor
cost
because
they're
not
having
to
go
out
to
troubleshoot
as
much
so
again,
not
required
to
switch
it's
early
enough
in
the
year.
B
Right
now
that
we
feel
that,
if
you
said
we
wanted
to
go
led,
we
could
still
place
the
order
in
time
to
get
the
materials
in
hand.
So,
in
a
nutshell,
the
reason
we're
bringing
this
up
to
districts.
We
did
a
pilot
in
one
district,
it's
expanded
to
another
district
and
so
far
the
districts,
I
would
say,
are
at
least
break,
even
if
not
a
little
money
ahead
once
they
make
the
investment
in
leds
again,
not
trying
to
convince
you
one
way
or
the
other
just
wanted
to
share
the
knowledge
that
we
have.
E
Is
it
possible
to
change
one
tree
at
a
time
when
needed
for
this
led?
You
so
say
you
use
up
every
string
that
that
you're
able
to
use
now
and
then
say,
you're
missing
a
few.
Then
then
you
take
that
last
tree
and
then
you
convert
that
whole
one
into
an
led.
B
Look
yes,
except
like
great:
we
remove
all
the
lights
in
the
spring,
so
it's
really
a
question
that
we
don't
re.
We
can't
reuse
the
lights,
they
don't.
The
incandescents
will
last
only
one
season.
G
A
You
know
we
have
visited
this
in
years
past.
The
the
problems
that
I
remember
and
certainly
witnesses
is
that
we
got
a
lot
of
vandalism.
A
People
just
rip
the
things
apart
and
we
we're
in
trees
and
the
wraps
around
these
leds,
because
I
I
put
up
a
gigantic
tree
every
year
with
leds,
I
rarely
get
more
than
one
season
out
of
them
because
squirrels
eat
them,
corn
based
plastic
being
used
around
those
wires,
invites
the
squirrels,
and
then
you
say
god
bless
it.
You
know
I
paid
unless
you
can
get
the
super
I've
found.
You
know
super
cheap
chinese,
tiny
leds,
which
I
still
throw
away
every
year.
A
If
I
get
more
than
one
season
out
of
an
led,
I
say:
wow,
that's
fabulous,
but
but
it
is
the
vandalism
and
how
many
times
I
see
the
the
lights
are
actually
they're
broken
by
the
wind.
You
know
that's
what
happens
with
our
non-led
lights,
the
the
branches
move,
the
things
just
snap,
so
you
know
conventional
wisdom
in
the
past
has
always
said
to
me,
get
by
him
and
say
goodbye
to
him,
because
in
an
urban
environment
they
don't
seem
to
be
making
it
here.
B
It's
just
one
man's,
so
your
comment
about
the
vandalism
is
is
definitely
accurate.
I
mean
we
have
somebody,
unfortunately,
that
every
year,
for
the
last
several
years
has
taken
a
machete
not
to
your
string
lights,
but
to
your
electrical
supply
lines
on
each
tree.
So
they
you
know
again.
That's
that's!
B
A
B
A
A
It
drives
me
nuts
here
on
the
corner,
so,
okay,
so
I
think
we.
G
A
E
I
I
feel
john's
frustration,
so
I
think
I'm
not
frustrated
from
that.
No,
no!
I
I
take
your
experience,
so
I'm
coming
from
your
experience.
I
think
it
is
better
just
to
stick
with
the
same.
G
E
We
yeah,
we
probably
have
to
replace
them,
perhaps
maybe
in
a
couple
years
when
the
economy
is
a
little
bit
more
stabilized
and
we
can
feel
a
little
bit
better
about
spending
more
money.
That
would
be
good,
but
last
year
we
did.
Even
though
the
economy
was
like
you
know,
you
know,
covered
panic
pandemic
stuff.
We
still
spent
more
money
doing
the
flower
hanging
baskets.
So
so,
in
this
case,
I
think
I
I
would
probably
hold
back
on
the
strings
string
light
just
keep
it
the
same
for
now
and
we
still
get
the
effect.
E
A
B
That
was
we.
We
had
a
slightly
different
approach
to
how
we
handled
electrical
repairs
this
year,
so
things
were
a
little
tighter
on
our
end,
so
I'll
I'll
accept
that
compliment
on
the
team's
behalf,
because
there
were
multiple
reasons
why
it
worked
better
this
year.
A
D
B
A
D
I'm
good
with
the
with
the
group.
C
C
Doesn't
help
to
have
incidents
on
our
our
corner
and
then
have
the
carjackings
and
then
have
people
doing
burnouts
at
like
two
three
in
the
morning,
with
a
mob
of
like
over
200
people,
there.
C
B
All
right
included
in
the
packet
to
was
a
draft
discussion
purposes
only
budget
that
more
or
less
keeps
your
existing
work
plan
and
keeps
the
service
charges
flat
all
very
much
subject
to
the
board's
discussion
here.
So
I'll
start
with
tweaked
a
few
things.
So
again,
every
year
we
go
back
we'll
look
at
what
actual
expenses
were
for
the
prior
year,
see
if
there's
any
changes
that
need
to
be
made.
So
I
modified
a
few
line
items,
but
the
overall
budget
of
175
000
would
hold.
B
This
does
include
under
streetscape
landscaping
that
all
the
maintenance
of
the
hanging
baskets
so
know
that
we
have
included
that
we
obviously,
unless
you
want
to
add
more-
which
this
budget
doesn't
envision.
If
you
want
to
add
more
hanging
baskets,
we
would
need
to
adjust
this
line
item,
but
if
you
want
to
plant
a
summer
planting
and
a
winter
planting
of
your
hanging
baskets,
that
is
in
this
budget
it
I
I
kept
for
the
you
know:
seasonal
lighting.
This
assumes
incandescent.
B
It
did
not
assume
leds,
which
is
why
we
had
the
conversation
about
leds
before
this.
These
numbers
still
hold
snow
services
would
still
be
for
the
60
inches
of
snowfall
and
otherwise
it's
the
the
pan
and
broom
april
1
through
november
30th,
the
spring
cleanup.
You
know
basically,
our
normal
work
path,
flow
and
service
levels.
B
The
one
item
that
is
not
in
here
because
we
haven't
had
a
conversation
about
it
yet,
but
last
summer
the
or
the
group
had
very
brief
conversation
about
whether
you
wanted
to
add
a
public
safety
line
item
to
your
budget.
This
would
be
the
place
to
do
it
if
you
wish
to
add
it.
So
again,
all
for
discussion
purposes,
comments,
questions
on
the
2023
draft
budget.
A
A
Yes,
and
and
as
far
as
the
public
safety
thing
when
we
were
pressured
last
year-
and
the
comment
was
made-
why
don't
you
take
money
out
of
you
know,
remove
all
those
lights
and
put
it
into
public
safety?
I
was
very
glad
that
we
did
not
have
that
line
in
our
budget,
which
prevented
us
from
having
to
even
consider
that
option.
I
think
the
city
police
ought
to
be
doing
their
job
and
I
hope
that
the
violence
in
this
part
of
town
is
starting
to
tampen
down
sue.
A
D
Well,
let's
I
mean
let's
be
optimistic,
let's
assume
we
don't
need
it
it's
hard.
To
tell
I
mean
we,
I
think
we'll
probably
have
some
action
this
weekend.
You
know
with
the
amir
lock
situation,
yes,
but
but
hopefully,
hopefully
most
of
it's
behind
us,
and
I
I
think
we
probably
can't
afford
the
kind
of
security
we
need
anyway.
So
I
would
say
for
now:
let's
just
keep
doing
what
we're
doing.
D
The
best
thing
possible
is
to
have
more
eyes
on
the
street,
more
people
in
the
area,
more
stores,
open
that
tends
to
deter
the
the
crime
anyway,
so
I
would
suggest
we
probably
pass
for
now.
I
concur.
E
Yeah,
I
would
agree
too.
We
we
actually
do
you
know,
did
hire
extra
security
for
our
business
on
lake
wine
and
spirits
for
the
past
two
two
years.
I
think
two
and
a
half
years,
so
I'm
I'm
hoping
that
each
individual
business
would
probably
increase
their
security
on
their
own,
which
is
then
more
eyes
on
the
street
as
well
for
our
responsibility.
E
E
Last
year
I
put
a
mirror
on
on
nicklet
spent
about
800,
and
then
this
year
I
had
to
spend
another
150
to
paint
over
the
the
mural
itself
and
we've
been
hit
all
over
minneapolis
from
our
different
buildings
for
graffiti,
and
it's
so
difficult
because
you
take
it
off
and
then
it'll
come
back
on
so
being
in
this
area.
E
We
get
this
situation
put
upon
us,
you
know
as
property
owners,
so
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
the
city
can
give
people
a
break
on
the
fees
but
like
still
demand,
the
changes
like
demand
the
erase
of
graffiti,
but
not
like,
find
us
so
much
all
the
time
because
we
can't
keep
up.
I
don't
know
what
to
do.
C
Yeah
but
it
gets
really
upsetting
because
you
know
my
husband's
out
there,
cleaning
it
right
away
and
covering
it
up.
And
then,
if
you
don't
someone
reports,
it
you
get
a
letter.
But
then
I
look
at
graffiti
on
some
of
these
boarded
up
buildings
for
like
over
a
year
and
nothing
happens.
E
Yeah
that
that's
my
it's
really,
there
are
some
buildings
that
I've
seen
graffiti
on
all
the
time
and
we
get
hit
by
and
then
clean
it
up
this
and
then
the
others
are
still
there.
So
then
I
finally
end
up
having
to
apply
for
a
mural
status
on
some
of
the
better.
You
know
anyway,
paintings
that
had
had
been
put
on
there,
not
by
not
by
vandalism,
but
on
purpose.
You
know
so
anyway,
I
I
don't
know
as
a
special
service
district
are
we
able
to.
E
I
know
those
are
private
properties,
so
I
don't
know
we
can
even
get
on
that
topic
right.
Okay,
so
at
least
be
thinking
about
finding
the
landlord
the
property
owners,
maybe
at
a
lesser
amount
of
fees,
so
that
we
can
handle
the
situation
right
now,
because
there's
less
police
out
there
more
vandalism
happening
so
we're
always
getting
hit
by
it.
E
F
You
christine,
I
I
made
a
note
of
it.
I
would
I
think
we
need
to
get.
I
need
to
update
myself
on
what
the
rules
are
for
graffiti
removal
on
private
property.
So
if
something
comes
out
of
those
conversations
we
have
with
with
our
colleagues,
we
can
report
back,
but
we
we
can
definitely
share
your
story
in
terms
of
you
know
some
of
those
just
just
the
logistics
and
the
timeliness
of
things.
So
I
made
a
note
just
so
that
we
can
get
up
to
speed
on
what
that
I
mean.
F
Obviously,
we
can
speak
to
the
services
we're
providing
in
the
public
right-of-way
for
graffiti
removal,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
this
meeting
this
question
will
come
up
a
lot
as
we
meet
with
other
boards.
So
we
will
look
into
that
to
see
what
those
policies
are
and
if
there
is
some
additional
information
we
can.
We
can
share
that
with
you.
E
Oh
yeah,
in
the
winter
time,
and
it
it's
like
way
up
high
on
the
top
of
the
building,
so
it's
not
something
that
we
can
easily
access
to
clean
it
up
and
said
all
winter.
You
know
snowy.
So
it's
icy,
so
it's
hard
to
do
in
the
winter
time
so
like
if
they
can
just
like,
hang
on
and
and
not
find
us
during
the
winter.
Maybe
that
would
help
because
then
we
can
re.
You
know
clean
it
up
in
the
summer
and
then
you
know
something
like
that
would
be
helpful
for
us.
We'll.
D
D
So
if
we
can
create
some
peace,
if
we
can
get
the
police
department
to
be
more
respectful,
more
sensitive
and
start
to
get
some
positive
momentum,
I
think
those
murals
in
general
tend
to
keep
the
graffiti
off
people's
buildings,
but
I
know
it's
and
it's
challenging,
I'm
sorry,
you're.
Having
that
experience.
B
Other
just
coming
back
to
the
2023
budget,
I
know
we
want
to
wrap
up
early
other
comments,
suggestions.
Otherwise,
is
there
a
motion?
Someone
would
like
to
make
to
adopt
the
draft
budget
as
the
advisory
board's
recommended
budget
for
2023.
B
Okay,
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion
to
adopt
this
budget
recommendation
for
2023
very
none.
I
will
call
the
role
on
the
motion
to
adopt
the
2023
budget
recommendation
on
the
motion.
Stu
ackerberg.
C
B
Christina
approve
john
approve,
the
goal
is
adopted
and,
as
in
all
past
years,
the
there'll
be
public
hearing
in
september,
we
we
presume
that
the
board
does
is
wants
to
have
the
same
service
charge
methodology
which
is
service,
frontage,
video,
front
services,
lineal
footage
of
frontage.
Let
me
get
that
out
the
there's
one
final
item:
we
want
to
talk
to
the
group
about
stu.
I
understand
if
you
need
to
leave,
if
not
please
stick
around.
This
will
be
a
short
item.
Thank.
D
You
I'm
gonna
just
go
on
turn
my
camera
off.
I
just
wanted
to
walk
this
next
spot,
so
I'll
be
silent.
Thank
you.
D
B
So
the
final
thing
we
wanted
to
bring
up
was
that
we
with
sort
of
this
wherever
we're
at
with
goldberg.
I
don't
even
want
to
say
a
lull
because
who
knows
if
that's
going
to
stay
accurate,
but
with
our
ability
to
re-engage
property
owners,
we
intend
to
do
that
this
year,
particularly
with
the
completion
of
the
road
reconstruction
between
blaisdell
to
the
east.
B
So,
as
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this
for
for
several
years,
but
the
the
idea
of
enlarging
the
current
district,
which
ends
at
blaisdell
on
the
east
to
somewhere
over
here
to
be
determined.
Should
it
be
stephen?
Should
it
be
the
bridge?
Should
it
be
halfway
between
underneath
the
35w,
so
maybe
less
of
a
focus
right
now
on
that,
but
our
intent
is
to
re-engage
these
property
owners
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
zoom
in
here.
B
If
it'll,
let
me
to
see
if
there
is
an
interest
in
expanding
the
district.
So
if
there
is
and
to
be
clear,
we
started
this
conversation
with
these
property
owners
five
years
ago.
So.
B
This
is
not
a
new
conversation
there.
You
know
the
project,
the
reconstruction
project
hadn't
happened
then,
and
the
kmart
site
obviously
is
now
completely
controlled
by
the
city,
so
the
circumstances
are
are
different,
which
may
lead
to
a
different
outcome
than
where
we
were
at
several
years
ago.
So
the
the
plan
is
to
re-engage
these
property
owners.
Ask
them
if
they
would
like
to
be
part
of
the
largest
service
district
to
provide
maintenance
similar
to
what
well
exactly
like,
what's
being
provided
in
the
rest
of
the
district.
B
If
the
answer
is
yes
at
minimum,
we
are
hoping
to
have
the
red
lines,
the
service
lines
here
again
to
be
determined
over
here.
One
question:
we
will
be
asking
them
if
the
answer
is
yes
to
this:
what
about
these
side
streets
or
these
cross
streets
on
these
purple
lines?
Is
there
you
know?
B
A
B
A
G
A
From
it,
then,
I
would
put
the
ball
in
their
court
and
the
large
property
owner
with
the
on
the
other
side
of
nicolette
avenue.
You
know.
Does
he
have
the
appetite
to
accept
that
kind
of
an
assessment,
because
you
need
70
of
the
property
owners
to
to
go
along
with
this
extension,
but
I
think
it's
certainly
worthwhile
and
then
would
the
post
office
be
as
a
public
entity
able
to
participate
along
first.
B
Yeah,
that's
all
part
of
the
outreach.
John.
Thank
you.
My
question
was:
does
this
group
have
an
opinion
we
will?
It
all
depends
on
what
this
group
thinks,
meaning
the
property
owners.
We
understand
that,
but
if
they
ask
well,
what
does
everybody
else
think
we
wanted
to
ask
you
as
the
existing
advisory
board,
if
you
guys
had
an
opinion
on
whether
the
purple
areas
should
be
serviced
or
not?
If
you
have
no
opinion,
that's
fine,
we'll
we'll
defer
to
the
property
owners
in
this
area.
That's
we
just
wanted
to
ask
the
question.
E
I'm
wondering
if
we
designate
the
yellow
portion
first
to
be
part
of
the
lynn
lake
special
service
district
and
then
can
we
put
the
others
in
later
at
another
time
only
because
the
development
hasn't
happened
yet
on
the
kmart
site
and
the
post
office
is
also
kind
of
being
built
so
kind
of
being
all
that
section
is
kind
of
starting
to
be
rebuilt,
so
not
necessarily
need
to
decorate
it
quite
yet,
since
it's
not
done
so,
I'm
wondering
if
that
process
can
be
delayed
a
little
bit
until
a
couple
more
years.
Absolutely.
B
That's
that
was
the
only
question
we
had
on
this
just
other
than
to
let
you
know
that
we
were
going
to
be
reengaging
these
property
homes.
It
is
not
a
foregone
conclusion
that
these
property
owners
will
say
yes
and
candidly.
The
the
context
for
a
number
of
these
properties
from
when
we
met
with
them
five
years
ago
to
now
is
obviously
significantly
different,
so
we
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
here
understands.
The
city
cannot
just
cause
this
to
happen.
B
E
E
I
mean
so
the
yellow
portion
can
that
be
done
first,
because
the
city
owns
this
the
kmart
site.
So
would
that
mean
that
the
percentage
of
yays
for
that
would
go
through
quickly.
B
B
So
the
city,
the
cities,
can't
vote,
even
though
it's
the
property
owner
because
the
city's
exempt,
they
don't
count
towards
the
the
universe
of
who
says
yes
and
that's
true,
not
just
on
the
kmart
site
of
any
city-owned
property
in
any
service
district.
Oh
so,
do
they
pay
into
it.
Then
the
the
city
opts
in
to
pay
for
city-owned
property.
Yes,
so
they
help
participate
and
bring
down.
The
you
know
help
pay
their
fair
share
of
the
cost,
but.
D
C
B
B
Well,
we're
going
to
go,
ask
the
question
and
if
property
owners
wonder,
if
you
as
board
members,
want
to
reach
out
to
those
property
owners
and
say
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
would
certainly
make
you
free,
but
so
this
is.
I
want
to
be
clear
how
this
works,
because
some
people
misunderstand
it
this
all
we
can
do
is
go.
Ask
we
can't
go
because
sometimes
oh
it's
the
city,
they
can
do
whatever
they
want.
The
city
cannot
enlarge
this
district
on
its
own
unilateral.
B
D
A
B
It's
a
complicated,
you
know,
john
says
he
asks
the
question
so
that
is
mndot
right
of
way
with
a
metro,
transit
bus
station.
They
cannot
be
compelled
to
pay,
so
the
service
can
be,
the
frontage
can
be
serviced,
but
the
rest
of
the
property
owners
in
the
district
would
have
to
subsidize
the
service.
B
A
B
A
A
B
There
there
is
not,
there
has
been
a
multi-year
conversation
about
the
possibility
of
a
district
from
35
w
to
hiawatha
it.
It's
not
it's
the
same
situation,
property
owners
in
that
area
where
there
is
no
service
district
need
to
agree
to
it,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
community
leadership
component
of
people
to
say
this
should
happen
and
right
now,
that's
not
there.
So
there
right
now
there
would
not
be
a
district
to
the
east,
but
there
could
be
at
some
point.
B
Right
any
that
was
so
stay
tuned
again,
can't
compel
it
all
we
can
do
is
go
ask
if
folks
here
want
to
be
part
of
the
outreach
process,
we're
we're
happy
to
to
to
let
you
know
who
we
talked
to.
If
you
want
to
reach
out
to
them
the
all
right,
we
have
no
further
action
items
before
the
group.
Is
there
anything
else
the
group
would
like
to
discuss?
Otherwise
we
can
adjourn
early.
G
B
C
G
C
C
B
Your
phone,
you
can
send
them
to
any
of
us.
G
Yeah
that
works,
yeah,
email's
great.