City of Norton, Ohio Planning Commission Meetings, 8 Mar 2022

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03-08-2022 Planning Commission Meeting

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Know why okay all set everybody ready to go.

B

Okay, I'll call the city norton planning commission meeting to order at 603. and shannon. Would you do a roll call? Please.

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Ralph here john here miriam president and jim here. Thank you.

B

And ruth lee is out of town for a couple weeks, so she's excused okay, we don't have any old business tonight for new business. We have an application spr2-2020.

B

This is with world real world real estate services, which is through fred martin, auto dealership, and this is for sketch plats for a final final site plan for a phase. One edition uh two locations, and would the applicant like to step forward and kind of talk about what the plans are hey good evening.

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My name is tony cerny, the architect on the project. uh What we're proposing to do is construct the first part phase, one um in addition to the south of the building, that addition is primarily going to provide a new parts department and provide some additional service days once that condition is complete.

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They're going to move the parts department from its current location into that new addition, they're going to tear down that old pole bar that's kind of concealed inside that whole structure and then we're going to build a new two-story uh showroom office.

A

Sometimes I can't hear on live. Thank you. Okay,.

B

So related to that one and that's going to be the one on the south end of the building correct, I'm sorry that phase is on the south end of the building. First phase, the.

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uh Parts departments on the south end yeah.

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And that's going to have some bays in it.

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Yeah we're going to have six additional service bays.

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Okay, okay and they'll be on.

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Will be accessible from inside.

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The runway and then there'll be three additional garage doors: okay,.

B

And that's on this east elevation here so down near the end. Okay, I was kind of confused as I was going through here, because I there there is a probably what a mandar or something on the south end also.

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Yeah there'll be a man door down there, which goes into where the parts department is that's. Where sometimes.

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They have customers that are.

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Like uh auto repair facilities and stuff like that, they may say send somebody down there and they can go right into the parts department and do whatever they need. Okay, so retail customers will still get their parts from the main showroom.

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B

Okay and then, and then your other part of that phase is what's over, on the east side, further up.

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Yes, so that's currently, there's there's an old total bar in there that we'll tear down and then we'll put up this addition. It's you know, roughly three thousand square foot per level. It's over two stories that will essentially match the data.

B

And that's mostly the showing like converse rooms and lounge area, and things like that. Well, the lower.

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Level will be more sales space, okay plus some offices, and then the empress floor doesn't really have a purpose. Yet they just while we're building it. They thought they would provide the additional space they're going to put an elevator in at that time, so they really needed the first floor. Space.

B

You know the whole that whole area has a second floor already. Yes, so it seems like it would make a lot more sense. If you're framing things out, it's probably easier to have more space than less. I guess.

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As long as you can afford it, I guess.

B

It's kind of confusing when you look at the code on this because you're for so far outside the minimum extremes of what the code requires. But so, where do your employees usually park? Do you have a designated area for your employees.

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Most of the employee parking is along the creek at the back of the lots.

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Okay, yeah, I didn't really calculate square footage to see how many spaces you need, but I don't know you probably have two thousand three is always a big.

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Issue for them, um and so they they work at different.

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Ways to do it so.

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They've moved a lot of cars down the road to other detail facilities, so they store a lot of vehicles. There yep.

B

And I don't know.

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If they actually transport customer employees, sometimes back and forth, I know they're always managing that.

B

Yeah, I guess yeah, I don't know how many it doesn't really say how many spaces, but it it's hard to evaluate based on the code here, because you're really talking about you, know square foot for customers and employees, but because you're selling a thousand used cars. It's uh you probably have well over a thousand spaces. I would think.

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There's plenty of spaces yeah. The question is yeah. What is usually.

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Anybody have any questions or comments to the plan.

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Are they staying dry down there during this current high water? They didn't have any problems that I know of.

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Somehow years ago I got stuck onto their flood notification thing, so everyone's wanting to get text messages when they activate their flood group and stuff, like that.

B

All the looks like all the water from the back side of where the office is it's all drained, and what down towards the the old fiat section and you must have a big sump or something down there.

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uh The storm water on the sites- almost you know, everything ultimately makes it to the creek.

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Over the years we've tried to isolate their storm water from this storm at the street, because the storm at the street has always seemed to been a primary source of flooding.

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It's an unprotected storm pipe that drains into the creek, and so they get a lot of back water coming through that. So we.

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Place where the storm kind of goes back out to the street, it comes, but everything else is really directed to the back. We have two large pumping stations. We have one by fiat and then one on the north side of the superstore that are there. So you know.

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I don't have ever seen it.

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But they have a uh it's a portable dike system. I don't know if you've ever seen that.

B

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Can basically dike all the way across the front of the lot to isolate the road from the superstore and then we're diked on the rest of the sides and then, with those pump stations they can stay dry.

B

And you're really trying to pump down to the bridge. I assume you're trying to get water.

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I'm pumping right out right right directly behind it. Okay, so, but you know the problem.

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You've got a storm sealer on both sides of barber road and those dump out by the bridge. You know to the south.

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And those are unprotected openings, everything that.

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Fred martin has that goes out to the creek. We have backfill protection on all those to keep water from coming back.

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But because the two- that's that are on the city's property, that dump into wolf creek, because they're unprotected when the river gets high enough, all that water comes back through the storm system and floods down to the north. There yep so.

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So your intent is just to deal with runoff on the parking lot and.

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When, when we go ahead, when they put that dike up, they pretty well isolate themselves from.

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On the road, so the road can flood, the dike will keep.

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That roadwater coming back in and then the pump stations we have are more than enough to keep the site clean or site drop.

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I have no other questions. Do you have any comments or questions? No, I think the drawings are well put together and I don't see anything that really stands out. The engineers covered my one concern.

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Regarding flooding, they've already provided an explanation of, and they have protection around their building already so now.

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Any comments from the city or no okay, marion. Are you okay with it? Okay, all right, I don't have any other questions. Everything looked pretty good appreciate that fred martin's expanding always is a good thing for the city.

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B

Okay, based on that, can I have a motion to approve the application or a motion on the application.

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I'll make a motion for application spare 12, 20, 22.

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or not spr2 2020..

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I'll second, okay, marina, okay, no further discussion, uh roll call! Please.

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uh Jim, yes, marion.

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Yes, ralph, yes and john. Yes, thank you. Okay, so motion passed, four zero and uh so we'll fill this out turn us into shannon tonight and uh so probably go to council within the next three or four days. I don't know when you're next is your next meeting.

B

Okay and then the week after that would be where you would start to address this. What is it? Your second meeting is your well. We kind of messed up. We've had a regular meeting yesterday, too so, okay, another one next week. That should.

A

Have been the one steps in this past yesterday? Okay, so who knows yeah I'll, keep it moving? Okay, we'll.

B

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I'll email, let you know okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Okay, well I'll fill it out here before we leave and get john to sign it. Okay, uh that was my cover page here. Let's see yeah. I think uh other item is uh consideration of the meeting bins from january 25th 2022, I reviewed them. I had a couple editorials which shannon fixed- and I don't know anybody else- have any comments to it. Nothing with what was stated just some spelling errors.

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I know I was like just tell me what it is and I'll fix it.

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Before the meeting well, it's hard when they're typing.

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It's hard when the spelling is correct. It's just not not the right application, so I did her ask her to add on the 969. I asked for an ad on feet behind that, because when I read 969 I that's the elevation that they were talking about. Okay,.

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I just put feet, and that was our you were talking about the flood right uh playing on that one. So.

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I just heard 969 and then something else and I was like okay. I let ralph figure that one wrong. He did.

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Okay, any other comments. No, no I'll take a motion on the meeting minutes from january 25th, so moved okay in a second, a second okay and roll call. Please.

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John, yes, jim, yes, ralph.

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Yes, yes, okay, so they're approved for nothing, and I will sign that and get those going.

B

So I guess any other: is there any new applications coming up that we're aware of or not that I'm aware of? Okay?

B

And uh I don't think I guess I don't think there was anything else that I had bill and I had a discussion on one item there that we're going to take a look at. But it's not really part of the meeting here so and I think that's it.

B

There is a housing council meeting on the 22nd. Is that you're in your part of that? Okay, uh like john's out of town and I'll, be available so.

A

Isn't that zoom they don't know yet yeah? I think they're trying to determine.

B

So and you come to those as a secretary- oh.

A

No I'm already outside ralph come on.

B

Okay, well, uh if there's no further discussion, anybody anything else: okay, today and I'll call for an adjournment.

A

Motion to adjourn.

B

Okay, thank you.