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From YouTube: Oldsmar Living History Discussion 3
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June 27, 1992
Jerry Beverland interviews:
Rosemary Sellers
Charles "Bud" Lister, Jr.
Bob Keller
A
Thank
you.
My
name
is
jerry
beverland,
I'm
on
the
council
for
the
city
of
osmore,
and
also
I've
been
a
resident
of
osmar
for
about
27
years,
and
we
want
to
welcome
you
back
to
the
continuing
saga
of
the
history
of
osmar
with
some
of
the
residents.
That
was
there
at
the
time
of
its
founding
and
some
that
came
a
little
later
and
and
some
that
came
a
little
later
than
that.
A
This
morning
we
have
not
only
myself
but
three
guests
and
I'm
going
to
introduce
them
to
you
and,
as
I
introduce
each
one
of
them,
I'd
like
them
to
just
tell
you
when
they
came
to
osmo
and
just
a
little
bit
about
the
history
of
them.
Coming
to
osmar,
then
we'll
get
into
some
more
discussion
about
the
actual
history
of
osmar.
B
B
C
Okay,
well,
I
came
to
oldsmar
my
father.
I
was
about
14
in
1930,
so,
however,
I
had
lived
in
de
sassa,
which
is
not
too
far
from
there.
So
I
knew
about
oldsmore
at
that
time
and
I've
been
there
ever
since.
As
far
as
I
can
tell
I'm
almost
the
last
oldest
continuous
resident
of
oldsmar
there's
one
colored
fellow
a
little
older
than
I
am
another
fellow
that
came
before
I
did,
but
he
went
away
for
a
while.
So
I
told
him
he
lost
his
seniority.
D
Bob
I
came
to
old
bar
in
1919
with
my
parents
and
they
came
to
oldsmar
with
reols
to
build
the
oldsmar
tractor
plant.
My
father
and
grandfather
were
in
the
foundry
business
of
michigan
and
always
contacted
them
to
come
to
old's
bar
and
put
up
a
foundry
and
machine
shop
where
they
built
tractors
and
grove
heaters.
D
A
A
C
This
map
that
you
were
looking
at,
which
I
assume
you're
looking
at,
is
what
I
have
laid
out
from
the
results
of
searching
the
records
in
hillsborough
and
pinellas
county.
The
blue
area
down
at
the
bottom
is
tampa
bay.
The
north
end
of
tampa
bay
and
the
upper
end
is
the
pasco
county
line
approximately
12
miles
in
a
straight
line
going
north
and
south
and
about
six
eight
miles,
east
and
west.
C
C
Much
of
it
was
under
cypress,
swamps
and
but
he
had
a
huge
amount
along
tampa
bay,
which
is
a
very
beautiful
part
of
pinellas
county
and
is
practically
all
developed.
Now
we're
we're
proud
of
what
mr
owens
bought
and
hoped
that
it
will
develop
as
he
had
visualized
it
with
people
working
in
the
foundries
and
faculties
around
there
and
living
on
tampa
bay.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
bud,
went
around
the
last
couple
days
and
went
to
city
hall
into
some
of
the
residents
of
osmar
and
he
got.
He
asked
them
to
write
out
questions
what
they
would
like
to
know
as
we
were
conducting
this
meeting.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
some
of
these
questions
in
a
little
while
then
we'll
just
expound
on
them.
A
The
massive
hurricane
of
october
1921
almost
destroyed
the
town
we'll
get
into
that
in
just
a
few
minutes,
but
I
suppose
the
worst
thing
that
hit
osmar
and
people
wouldn't
think
about
this-
was
courtney
campbell
causeway
to
get
from
hillsborough
county
into
pinellas
county.
You
had
to
come
around
to
rosemary
and
whenever
they
built
the
courtney
campbell
causeway.
Actually
it
was
called
the
davis
causeway
at
the
time
it
was.
A
A
So,
let's
get
into
some
of
these
some
of
these
questions
and
then
I'll
go
back
and
there's
some
more
questions
to
ask.
But
I
wanted
to
show
this
to
everybody.
I
found
this
at
a
flea
market
and
it
says
charles
p,
bland
osmar
florida.
I
guess
this
was
made
back
in
the
20s.
It's
just
a
little
paperweight
lion
now,
who
is
charles
p,
bland
bud.
C
C
C
C
D
D
A
We're
going
to
get
into
that
a
minute,
because
one
of
the
questions
in
in
buzz
list
here
is
about
that.
Well,
during
this
promotion,
I
found
this
kind
of
kind
of
funny
that
they
would
send
this
pleasure
boat
or
whatever
it
was
over
to
saint
petersburg
and
pick
up
the
people
to
bring
back
to
the
city
to
sell
land
promotion.
A
Well,
of
course,
they
had
a
lot
of
drinks
on
the
boat
and
time
they
got
to
people
back
from
st
petersburg
here
to
osmar.
They
were
pretty
well
happy
happy,
and
so
I
guess
they
could
sell
them.
Some
of
this
land
that
was
underwater
a
little
a
little
quicker
and
a
lot
of
the
land
in
oldsmar
that
was
sold
is
still
under
water
and
will
forever
be
underwater.
A
Well,
I
found
out
that
these
38
lots
was
down
around
down
by
the
florida
power
plant
underwater
and
they
were
always
going
to
be
underwater
anyway,
that
that
was
that
that's
okay,
we'll
get
back
to
that
in
a
minute.
I
also
got
some
of
these,
which
is,
I
found
kind
of
interesting,
here's
some,
the
the
osmar
state
bank.
I
was
asking
bob
a
few
minutes
ago
if
he
knew
I
think
it
was
irving.
A
D
A
C
He
had
developed
agriculture
to
a
big
extent
in
the
early
days.
That
was
part
of
the
big
deal
that
he'd
have
farms
where
the
people
would
raise
their
vegetables
to
factory
where
they
would
work
in
their
homes
in
town.
Were
you
involved
in
any
of
that
agricultural
part
of
your
your
world's
in
the
factory?
We
were
in
the
my
father's.
D
D
D
A
When
I
first
came
to
osmore
down
lafayette,
there
was
some
land
down
there
that
I
thought,
whoever
owned,
that
land
was
the
luckiest
people
in
the
world,
and
why
didn't
they
build
a
house
there
on
on
lafayette,
just
south
of
lafayette,
fabulous
woods,
beautiful
woods,
and
I
just
thought
you
know
someday
what
it
would
be
fabulous
to
own
them
and
well.
I
ended
up
owning
that
land.
A
A
Yes,
I
didn't
know
what
it
was
at
the
time
and
I
found
out
later
by
you
at
the
one
of
our
last,
the
last
tapings
that
that's
what
it
was.
It
was
the
silos
so
that
whole
area
down
there.
Now
you
think
down
in
lafayette.
It's
looks
like
a
florida
hammock.
Okay,
it's
a
a
large
oaks,
large
palms,
but
if
you
think
back,
then
it
was
all
vacant
land
that
whole
area
down
there
from
lafayette
south
was
all
farms
over
into
hillsborough.
A
D
D
Well,
one
thing:
I
don't
think
about
oldsmar:
when
we
came
there,
there
was
a
large
sawmill
there.
They
had
wood
burning
locomotives
that
went
all
on
up
into
pasco
and
hillsborough
county
and
brought
logs
all
in
there
and
they
burned
the
slabs
generated
electric
power.
They
furnished
the
electric
power
for
safety,
harbor
clearwater,
dunedin
and
farm
harbor,
less.
A
A
A
It
is
wish
no
desire-
and
I
don't
know
who
wrote
this,
but
their
english
and
their
composition
of
english
is
something
like
mine.
Okay,
it
it.
It
is
with
no
desire
on
the
part
of
the
herald
that
we
again
are
compelled
to
mention
to
our
readers
that,
owing
to
the
breakdown
of
the
electric
lighting
planet,
osmar
again,
we
are
again
handicapped
to
the
extent
that
we
are
compelled
to
emit
a
large
amount
of
good
reading
matter.
That
would
be
of
interest
to
our
readers.
A
Again
thursday
afternoon,
the
same
accident
took
place
at
the
planet
of
the
gulf
lumber
and
power
company
at
osmar.
The
town
was
again
in
darkness
until
about
six
o'clock
in
the
morning.
As
thursday
is
the
day
we
count
on
largely
for
the
running
of
the
linotype
machines
and
the
handling
of
the
late
copy.
It
is
plain
to
be
seen
the
position
that
has
placed
the
herald
in
I
mean
real
dramatic
here.
D
A
D
C
A
C
A
Right,
there's
always
been
a
conflict
between
people
asked.
Why
do
we
have
a
tamp
exchange
in
the
city
of
osmar
when
we're
in
pinellas
county?
Why
do
we
have
tampa
electric
when
we're
in
pine
mills
county
well,
at
one
time,
osmar
was
in
hillsborough
county?
That's
why
and
then
and
that's
why
we
have
these
well
one.
A
A
This
is
from
fred
shohauser
he's
the
he's,
the
engineer
for
the
city
of
ozmar,
what
buildings
and
what
type
of
manufacturing
industry
were
located
in
osmar
and
where
were
they
located
on
and
on
what
streets?
So
if
we
start
when
you
start
everything,
you
can
remember
that
was
located
in
the
city
that
was
industrial
and
where
it
was
located.
D
C
D
C
There's
a
big
area:
they
had
big
factory
buildings,
a
huge
building,
300
foot
long
with
one
of
them,
one
back
then
another
one,
three
or
four
hundred
feet.
Long
went
off
along
the
railroad.
There
was
a
small
smaller
building
between
the
two
that
was
all
glassed
in.
I
don't
know
what
they
use
that
for
you
remember
my
dad
had
a
packing
house
in
there
in
1930s.
D
C
D
C
C
D
C
D
D
C
D
C
D
A
A
D
D
A
C
The
house
across
the
street,
to
where
I
live
now,
is
where
we
first
went
in.
Conklin
lived
there
and
there
was
a
huge
cement
tank
above
ground
system,
and
then
the
ease
took
all
the
water
down
into
that
system
now,
but
I
think
most
people
have
wells
too.
Then
they
said
the
hospital.
I
am
the
bank's
house
that
has
a.
D
D
I
remember
when
they
put
a
two
inch
line
in
front
of
our
house
there,
that
must
have
been
in
the
pretty
early
twenties.
Yeah
did
pretty
much
put
in
the
water
system,
see
they
they
put
in
the
water
system
and
they
had
curbs
and
sidewalks
all
over
out
in
the
woods
out
there
and
they're.
Still
there
they're
still
there
and
that's
when
the
boom
busted,
okay,
but
they
put
in
the
water
system
and
put
in
all
these
road
right,
aways
and
all
and
paved
everything
had
street
markers
out.
Well,.
A
That
brings
me
to
another
question
in
just
a
minute,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
this
one.
The
water
system
was
connected
to
the
big
water
tank
by
the
railroad
tracks.
Yeah,
that's
where
the
water,
that's,
the
one
lawn
gamble
would
run
every
day
and
then
pump
pump
the
water
up
into
the
tank
and
then
continue
his
run
is
that
is
that
what
it
was
yeah.
C
C
In
the
funeral
it
was,
it
was
a
four
or
five
inch,
six
inch
well
that
went
down
and
they
had
a
high
tank
and
when
hiking
that's
where
all
the
water
was
and
they
they'd
try
to
aerate
it
to
get
the
sulphur
out
of
it.
Because
there's
a
lot
of
softened
water
on
the
ground,
you
got
water,
you
got
out
of
the
ground
with
sulphur
water.
A
A
C
They
had
the
water
go
up
into
the
tower,
but
the
tank
was
open
with
screen
wire
around
it
to
keep
the
bugs
out
of
it
and
spray
the
water
up
into
the
top
of
the
tank
and
then
fill
it
down
and
that
tend
to
area
to
get
rid
of
some
of
the
sulfur.
We
had
a
terrible
time
keeping
that
screen
there,
because
the
sauber
would
heat
it
up
all
the
time.
A
C
Let
me
interpose
when
we
came
to
florida
in
1919.
We
went
all
over
florida
and
I
can
recall
that
all,
but
everywhere
you
go
particularly
in
the
south
of
here
in
south
florida,
you
can
find
sulfur.
Water
well,
they'll,
be
sparking
your
way
up
into
the
air.
Oh
yeah
yeah,
those
are
all
gone.
The
water
table
is
30
feet
down
at
40
feet
down
now,.
A
Over
in
largo,
when
I,
when
it
came
in
the
46,
there
was
a
couple
dairies
out
there
and
we
and
we
would
go
out
to
fish.
As
you
come
down,
east
bay
drive
down
the
hill.
There
was
a
creek
that
went
there,
it's
still
there,
but
it's
it.
You
know
it's
none
of
the
drainage
dish.
Now
we
go
down
there
and
go
back
out
in
the
fields
to
the
south
back
out
there
dunnigan's
donegan's
dairy.
Thank
you,
donigan's
dairy,
yes,
many
many
happy
times
on
dining's
dairy
have
sulfur
springs.
A
Coming
up
out
there,
donegan's
dairy,
yeah,
you're
right
fred.
It
wasn't
fred
that
asked
this.
It
was
nick
stasco
he's
the
planner
for
the
city,
but
I
wanted
to
get
to
it
this
question
because
of
what
you
had
said
a
few
minutes
ago
about
the
curbing
and
this
question
is:
why
were
the
right-of-way
of
the
streets
in
those
mars
so
wide
for
1924.
A
I
mean
that
is
why
in
fact
pines
it
used
to
be
pine
street.
I
live
on
now
they
changed
the
pine
avenue.
I
don't
know
why,
but
it's
still
pine
street
to
me,
but
that's
an
80
foot
right
away.
You
have
enough
right-of-way
there
to
put
two
lanes
like
you
have
in
front
of
your
house
now.
The
question
is:
why
were
they
so
wide?
You
know.
D
D
A
A
With
a
scoop,
osmar
just
got
new
sidewalks
about
probably
about
four
and
a
half
miles
of
sidewalks,
and
it
took
them
about
three
months
to
do
it
and
nothing
was
done
by
hand.
Believe
me,
except
the
leveling
out,
I
mean
everything
was
done
by
they
bring
in
the
you
know.
They
take
the
tractor
and
use
they
just
said
a
mule
and
a
and
a
log
or
something.
D
A
Take
it
again
and
a
lot
of
those
sidewalks
are
still
there.
I
mean
you've
got
concrete,
you
can
go
out
walking
in
a
field
somewhere
and
run
across
the
sidewalk,
and
you
think
well
whoa.
What's
this
sidewalk
doing
out
here
well,
that
was
all
pretty
then
put
that
in
phil
prettyman
put
that
in
and
not
old.
No,
so
oz
didn't
really
do
a
lot
of
this.
Did
he.
D
A
B
A
C
D
D
C
D
A
Seemingly
nobody
except
bud,
of
course,
dottie
lee
said
she
knew,
but
I
kind
of
doubt
that
I
think
she
was
just
where
in
the
world
did
you
get
the
name
gimgong
road
and
they
say
who
in
the
world
is
a
gem
gong
rogue
well
bud?
Fine
did
you
know
who
it
was?
No
okay,
well
bud.
Finally,
brought
me
over
this
piece
of
paper:
I'm
going
to
read
just
a
little
bit
from
it,
so
everybody
in
osmo
will
now
know
why
we
have
a
gim
gong
road
in
the
city
of
osmar.
A
Chinese
man
named
lou
gim
gong
lou
came
to
this
land
of
his
dreams
as
a
boy
of
12
in
the
year
1872
and
went
on
to
become
something
of
a
horticultural
wizard.
He
propagated
an
orange
that
could
remain
on
the
tree
for
two
years
and
still
be
juicy
or
a
grapefruit
able
to
withstand
10
degrees
more
cold
than
any
other
at
that
time.
A
A
tomato
plant
bearing
large
clusters
of
uniform-sized
fruit
and
many
other
achievements
for
the
lu,
gimgong
orange,
and
you
know
what
we
go
to
miami
every
once
in
a
while,
not
because
I
really
want
to,
but
we
do
go
down
there
and
you
know
what
we
found
down
there
still
find
them
the
gimgang
orange
okay
for
the
liu
gimgong
orange.
He
was
awarded
the
wilder
medal
by
the
u.s
department
of
agriculture
in
1911.
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A
Okay
well
see
I
so
I
think
bud's,
probably
right
that
this
is
how
we
got
a
gimgang
road
in
the
city
of
osmar.
So
now
rosemary
when
everybody
says
gim
gong,
you
say
you
mean
oh
lou,
gim
gong
know
him.
Well,
no,
it
will
know
him
knowing
well
by
the
way
rosemary's
husband,
vic
sellers
when
he
came
to
when
he
came
to
osmore.
A
C
A
So
so
vic,
rosemary
and
vic
had
a.
I
know.
We,
we
have
a
seller's
industrial
park
there
that
that
vic
developed
so
so
rosemary,
not
in
the
beginning
of
osmore,
but
around
the
middle
of
ozmar's
history.
Well,
rosemary
and
vic
had
a
had
a
large
part
to
do
in
the
in
the
development
of
osmar.
So
so
right
now
I'll,
say
well
rosemary.
Thank
you
for
at
least
you're
part
of
you're,
a
big
part
of
of
osmar's
continuing
history.
A
The
we've
already
established
that
one
there's
a
couple
questions
in
here
that
relate
to
the
same
thing.
So
I
but
they're
asked
different
ways
so
we'll
just
put
it
all
put
it
all
in
one
kind
of
question.
I
know
you
weren't
here
at
the
time,
and
I
wasn't
here
and
I
I
don't
think
you
were,
but
you
were
the
devastating
hurricane
of
october
1921.,
okay
kind
of
a
multi-question
here.
Did
it
reform
the
bay?
Well,
I
don't
think
it
did
either.
Okay
did
it?
D
D
We
had
a
big
window
in
the
front
room
there
and
when
the
wind
would
blow
that
window
would
yield
like
that,
so
they
pushed
the
piano
across
the
room,
put
an
ironing
board
up
against
the
window
and
took
a
broom
or
braced
up
to
keep
the
window
from
blowing
out,
and
we
stayed
in
the
house
till
around
noon
when
the
water
was
so
high.
But
it
was
right
up
on
the
front
porch
they
came
by
and
everybody
was
evacuated,
moved
down
to
the
second
store
in
the
bank
building
what'd.
D
They
come
with
just
row,
boats
and
walking.
We
waited
and
swam
down
there.
The
water
came
right
up
to
the
railroad
and
then
the
tide
went
out
when
it
went
out
old
marble
just
like
it
was
before,
except
maybe
your
furniture
porch
furniture
was
over
in
somebody
else's
yard
or
you
had
a
couple
trees
down
in
your
yard.
But
as
far
as
blowing
down
buildings,
I
don't
recall
a
whole
lot
of
structural
damage.
D
C
A
A
A
C
C
A
D
D
C
A
D
D
C
A
C
A
A
B
C
A
D
Well,
it
was
an
open
touring
car
and
we
left
michigan
the
day
after
christmas
15
below
zero
in
an
open
tour
in
karma,
a
mother
and
father
and
sister.
You
want
to
get
down
here
bad
and
it
took
five
weeks
to
drive
it
because
it
was
right.
After
the
war,
all
the
roads
were
under
repair,
so
everything
would
detour
detour
detour
and
when
you
would
hit
a
mud,
hole
you'd
hit
it
hard
you'd
either
go
through
or
you'd
get
out
and
get
somebody's
mule
come
pull
you
out.
C
D
D
A
D
A
That
was
301
up
up
301
and
41.
mm-hmm.
Okay,
right
now
look!
These
are
just
kind
of
random
questions,
but
what
family
in
osmar
dates
back
the
longest?
Well,
it's
got
to
be
well,
you
say
you,
but
because,
because
london
left
for
a
couple
days,
yeah
long
gamble
the
gamblers.
They
live
in
washington
in
the
same
house.
They've
always
lived
in
washington
and.
A
D
A
B
B
B
The
water
would
come
right
down
into
the
city,
water
well
and
the
mayor
whose
words
reckon
gust
at
that
time
and
the
others
on
the
council,
including
my
husband,
had
tried
to
contact
the
state
road
department
to
get
them
to
change
their
plans,
and
we
didn't
have
any
luck.
We
even
had
attorneys
calling
them
to
trying
to
get
the
message
through
so
anyway,
we
never
did
so
when
the
day
came
that
they
started.
A
A
And
osmar's
name
was
from
tampa
shores
back
to
osmar
again
about
1926.
anyway,
I
want
to
thank
everybody,
tci
and
everybody
that,
for
for
what
we've
been
doing
with
these
tapings,
and
I
think
osmar
will
have
a
the
future.
Generations
of
osmar
will
have
a
better
understanding
of
of
the
past
oldsmore
because
of
because
of
these
tapings,
and
I
want
to
thank
each
one
of
you
and
I
think
it's
been
great.