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A
B
B
B
C
They
mention
of
it
as
she
was
doing,
that
I
had
a
flashback
to
one
of
my
favorite
movies
Chariots
of
Fire,
where
the
British
folks
are
discussing
bringing
up
to
the
Olympic
Committee
about
one
of
their
runners,
who
did
not
want
to
run
on
Sunday,
and
these
stuffed
shirts
they're
saying.
Well,
we
have
to
take
this
this.
This
is
a
matter
for
the
committee
and
the
most
stuffed
shirt
of
the
group
said
we
are
the
committee,
so
that
reminded
me
that,
yes,
we
are
the
committee
and
I
thank
Pam
for
bringing
that
up.
C
The
vast
majority
have
a
difference
between
compensation
of
their
mayor
and
city
council
members.
A
few
pay
zero
Miami
Shores
pays
$1
to
both
some
pay.
More
than
old
Smarr
and
some
pay
less
a
very
few
pay.
The
mayor
and
the
City
Council
the
same.
The
average
for
the
cities
in
the
ten
to
twenty
thousand
population
ranges
for
all
of
them.
9200
mayor,
7800,
council,
roughly
and
those
that
are
paying
something.
It
goes
up
to
ten,
six
and
nine
thousand
and
as
as
I'm
sure
we're
all
aware.
C
My
proposal
for
the
consideration
of
the
whole
committee
here,
taking
into
account
the
14-year
gap
since
the
last
raise
and
I'm
proposing,
like
roughly
give
or
take
a
30%
increase
to
14,000
and
11,500
that
keeps
roughly
the
same
dollar
difference
between
roughly
between
the
mayor
and
the
council.
Members-
and
you
know,
30
30
percent,
give
or
take
sounds
like
a
lot,
but
considering
the
14
years,
I
would
I
would
suggest
14,000
and
11,000
I
found
her
and
we
don't
pay
any
benefits
if
you
notice
from
the
chart
mm-hmm
something
to
consider
German.
B
B
D
D
Just
I
wanted
to
have
some
like
a
better
idea.
Does
anybody
know
the
history
of
why
City
Council
people
in
Florida
are
paid
so
low
like
it's?
Is
there
some
type
of
school
of
thought
that
Florida
has
that
they're
paid
that
their
representatives
in
city
government
should
not
be
paid
very
much
money
I
mean
I'm,
trying
to
understand
where
this
comes.
D
D
D
So
it
may
not
be
that
a
hundred
100
percent
participation
for
the
benefits
and
if
you're
talking
half
of
the
compensation
is
benefits
for
other
cities,
then
I
could
justify
increasing
the
salary
portion
significantly
to
make
that
balance
more
and
then
I
thought
you
know.
Maybe
then
it
would,
you
know,
add
some
expense
money
so
that
you
would
have
a
salary,
that's
higher
and
then
some
maybe
a
cap
of
a
monthly
expense
where
you'd
have
to
actually
file
an
expense
report,
and
it
wouldn't
just
be
like
Cordia
and
that's
just
given
to
you.
D
But
you
talk
to.
If
you
had
meeting
you
know,
tickets
and
meeting
fees
or
gas
or
and
I'm
sure
some
conferences
are
probably
reimbursed,
did
get
travel
reimbursement,
yeah
Oh.
What
other
expenses
might
there
be?
You
know
for
a
commissioner
that
would
be
out
of
pocket
other
than
I
would
think
just
time,
but
going
out
in
the
community
and
being
at
functions
takes
a
lot
of
time
right.
So
so
the
benefit
piece
I'm
kind
of
50/50
on
that.
D
But
if
we
opted
to
say
you
know
what
we
just
will
keep
it
no
benefits,
then
I
think
we
can
significantly
look
at
increasing
the
salary,
and
so
I
was
just
without
even
taking
into
consideration
benefits.
Just
looking
at
at
what
I
thought
was
fair.
Just
me
me
myself
and
I
thought
was
fair.
You
know,
I
was
looking
at
numbers
like
14
16.
D
What
that
does
is
it
makes
it
a
dollar
per
taxpayer.
So
right
now,
it's
60
cents
per
to
person
in
the
community
population.
Wise
and
I
asked
myself
if
a
dollar
per
Commissioner
per
year
was
a
fair
amount
of
money
for
me
to
pay
a
representation
on
my
city
government.
Well,
I
was
okay
with
that.
Well,.
B
What
I
was
just
doing
real,
quick
based
on
these
numbers,
both
in
Grand
Pam's,
is
just
trying
to
maybe
put
that
into
some
kind
of
graph
to
that
in
terms
of
an
hourly
commitment.
You
know
what
is
what
who
are
elected
officials
doing
you
know.
Obviously,
a
lot
of
people
only
see
their
meetings,
but,
as
you
said,
they
go
out.
They
have
other
meetings
with
staff
outside
of
this
room,
so.
B
If
you
say
conservatively
they're
doing
20
hours
of
work
a
month
which
is
probably
on
the
low
side,
I
would
guess
that
puts
them
somewhere
around
$60
an
hour.
And
then,
if
you
say
it's
30
30
hours
a
month,
then
there
are
in
the
$40
an
hour
range
which
is
its
competitive
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
versus
where
we're
at
now
and
that's,
is
if
those
hours
add
up.
B
B
A
E
Maybe,
if
the,
if
there's
a
significant
change,
now
won't
be
as
significant
in
a
decade
from
now,
whether
that's
going
to
change
or
not,
and
if
we
even
put
into
the
ordinance
that
it
shall
be
changed.
You
know
every
six
years
or
something
like
that,
and
we
haven't
addressed
that
question
in
terms
of
benefits
just
to
get
my
two
cents
on
it.
E
What
if
it's
just
for
the
council
member
that
would
family
also
be
included
so
if
I
get
benefits
my
employer
and
I'm
the
person
that
has
to
have
benefits
in
order
for
my
wife
and
my
children
to
have
benefits
than
could
I
drop,
my
benefits
they'd
still
be
insured,
but
if
I'm,
the
only
person
getting
benefits
with
the
council,
so
even
if
the
options
there
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
taken.
So
yes,
it
would
be
a
part
of
the
package.
E
But
it's
to
your
point
thing
where
it's
I,
don't
know
how
appealing
that
is.
It
sounds
good
when
you
read
it:
it's
like
oh
wow.
They
offer
medical
dental
vision
stuff
well
how
many
of
the
commissioners
and
council
members
take
advantage
of
it?
But
it's
part
of
their
compensation,
but
if
we
look
prospectively
to
2034
and
we
say
wow
14,
16
and
that
seems
kind
of
low
right
now
or
seems
kind
of
high,
so
it's
like
okay!
Well,
we
had
to
take
into
account.
This
is
probably
going
to
last
a
decade
or
more.
D
$9,500
I'm
sorry
is
group
insurance,
health,
dental
vision,
life,
a
DD,
not
retirement,
so
retirement
is
8%
of
salary.
So
that's
additional
and
some
of
these
had
a
couple
of
them
had
tension.
Not
many
thank
you.
Most
of
them
are
just
medical
health
life
insurance.
So
he
just
took
that
9500
mm-hmm.
You
know
what
about
doing
an
optional
like
you.
They
couldn't
have
the
choice
between
all
of
it
being
salary
or
splitting
it
between
salary
and
benefits.
Some
people,
the
health
insurance,
is
much
more
valuable
to
them
than
money.
D
E
Had
to
be
a
decided
advantage
right
where
it's
like,
oh
great,
now,
I've
got
him
through
the
city.
So
that's
a
no-brainer
I'm
going
to
do
this,
whereas
it's
okay,
well
I
just
got
this
job.
Is
council
member
I've
got
so
much
on
my
plate.
I'm
just
gonna
I
know
what
it
comes
out
of
my
paycheck
each
month.
I
know
what
I'm
getting
over
here
so.
D
D
D
B
A
D
C
E
D
D
Yeah,
so
you
know
the
way
it
is
now
it's
44
thousand
four
hundred
a
year
and
then,
with
the
increase
that
I
was
proposing
moves
that
number
up
to
72
thousand
a
year,
so
that
would
mean
finding
27
thousand
six
hundred
dollars
in
that
budget
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
involved
in
the
budget
to
know.
If
there's,
if
we're
like
riding
the
rail
really
close
to
a
balanced
budget
or
if
there's
wiggle
room
in
the
budget,
I
don't
know
well.
D
B
C
H
A
B
D
H
What
you
may
want
to
think
about
is
increase
it
to
bring
it
up
to
par
what
it,
what
you
think
it
should
be
now
and
then
maybe
add
language
in
it.
That
says
whatever
increase
the
employees
get
is
the
increase
of
the
council
members
and
the
mayor
get
which
is
gonna
run
roughly
3%,
and
the
question
is,
is
you
know,
is
that
just
a
cost
of
the
cost-of-living
increase
or
is
a
performance
base
like
we?
Do
an
employee
wouldn't
be
a
little
bit
more.
A
H
A
G
G
H
F
H
F
A
B
D
F
C
F
B
H
F
F
G
E
E
B
A
H
Requires
a
math
calculation
right
and
it
requires
finding
out
what
CPI
you're
gonna
use.
Are
you
gonna
use
the
one
for
Pinellas
County,
the
state
of
Florida
that
southeastern
United
States
the
United
States
I
mean?
What
are
you
gonna
use
so
it'd
be
best.
If
you
didn't
have
to
look
to
a
chart
to
determine
what
it
is
and
just
you
know,
percentage
take.
G
B
D
B
D
H
F
F
H
A
B
H
E
A
E
D
B
D
H
You
have
nine
months
to
complete
your
work
you're
in
your
six
month,
right
now
and
I
assume
that
we'll
finish
this
up
here
in
the
next
month
or
so,
and
the
report
will
be
issued
and
then
they'll
receive
that
in
another
month
or
so
and
then
they'll
have
a
work
session
on
it
and
then
there
will
probably
be
direction
to
Anne
and
I
to
create
that
ordinance
and
advertise
that
ordinance.
You
know
so
we're
talking
six
months,
probably
by.
H
A
H
Experience
is
what
happens,
is
they
say
we're
not
going
to
put
in
effect
for
us
now.
Currently
right
start
next
election
or
you
know
at
some
point,
someone
is
gonna,
have
the
benefit
of
it
right,
yeah,
you're
always
gonna
have
someone
on
the
council.
Unless
you
wait
five
years
out
or
seven
years
out,
it's
gonna,
be
it's
gonna
receive
some
benefit.
Don't
don't
get
all
fixated
on
that?
B
E
In
section
26,
121
duties
and
responsibilities
of
the
Leisure
Services
Department
you'll
see
that
the
suggestion
change
was
to
add
medians
to
the
definition.
I
didn't
see
any
issue
with
adding
medians.
If
so
be
it,
it
says
shrubs
and
parks
along
streets,
medians
so
along
streets
and
medians
seems
like
the
same
thing
to
me,
but
they
wanted
it
add
so
no
problem
there
on
the
next
page
there's
a
list
that
constitutes
official
street
tree
species
for
the
city.
E
Above
that
time,
you'll
see
it
says
Parks
and
Recreation
in
that
paragraph,
and
he
didn't
staff,
didn't
change
that
to
leisure
services.
So
please
make
that
change.
If
you
could
I,
don't
know
enough
about
trees
to
say
that
any
of
these
are
nonsensical
or
sensical.
So
my
recommendation
is
to
accept
all
of
them
I'm,
not
sure
if
any
white
rabbits
in
there
or
not,
but
so
be
it
one
question
I
had
for
staff,
I
wasn't
able
to
answer,
and
that
was
my
fault
I
reached
out
to
staff
last
week
on
Monday
or
Tuesday.
E
They
got
back
to
me
on
Friday
and
then
had
some
more
comments
today.
I
had
a
follow-up
question.
Today,
about
section
26,
one,
two,
three
and
26
one,
two
four
that
wasn't
answered,
but
the
suggestion
change
is
only
small
trees
may
be
planted
between
a
sidewalk
and
curb
and
then
in
26
1
4.
It
talks
about
the
distance
from
curbs
curb
lines
and
sidewalks,
and
then
it
gives
small
trees
2
feet
medium
and
large
trees,
3
feet
and
4
feet
respectively.
E
So
I
needed
to
clarify
that
with
them
and
it'll
be
a
quick
at
our
next
meeting
discussion,
because
if
we,
if
we
changed
it
to
only
small
trees,
may
be
planted
in
in
section
1
123,
then
we'd
have
to
take
out
section
124
at
least
the
references
to
medium
trees
and
large
trees.
So
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
why
that
was
needed
if
it
was
prospective
or
retroactive
I
also
needed
to
know,
because
I
guess
you'd
have
to
catch
them,
planning
the
tree
or
know
it
to
be
new.
E
So
I
just
wanted
some
clarification
on
that
in
Section,
26
1,
2,
5
changed
10
feet
to
15
feet
and
that
the
city
shall
have
the
right
to
request.
Removal
within
this
limit.
I
think
that's
already
written
in
there.
Basically,
the
the
ordinance
is
there.
Then
it's
presumed
that
the
city
shall
have
the
right
to
request
the
removal,
but
they
wanted
this
specifically
in
there.
So
it's
okay
with
me.
If
everybody
wants
to
leave
it
in
there,
there's
no
problem
flipping
the
page.
E
E
And
then
next
page
another
list
of
trees
that
I
don't
know
enough
about
and
then
they
want
to
defines
to
be
in
print
first
offense.
Second
offense.
Third
offense
we've
gone
over
this
in
Prior
meetings,
everything's
in
the
ordinances
already.
Do
you
guys
want
the
fines
listed
here
as
well?
Then
then,
fine,
no
pun
intended
I,
just
it's
unnecessary,
but
they
requested
it.
So
it's
fine
with
me.
If
we
have
to
list
them
there,
I
don't
know
what
the
specific
fines
are.
E
H
H
E
E
It
and
it
means
they
if
it's
not
specifically
stated,
then
it's
omitted.
Of
course,
I
didn't
think
we
needed
to
add
anything
about
Sundays,
but
it
wasn't
there
and
Sundays
is
listed
in
different
sections.
So
I
didn't
know
if
that
was
something
the
one
thing
about
that
which
I'm
sure
jared
is
about
to
make
fun
of
me.
The
last
two
words
are
as
prohibited
and
it
should
be
is
prohibited.
So
if
we
could
make
that
shiny.
E
26
63
illustrative
enumeration,
so
paragraph
7
I,
don't
know
what
pollution
by
Creamery
means
and
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
this
was
obsolete,
language
or,
if
that
it
needed
to
be
done
or
if
there
wasn't
in
an
industrial
term.
That
I
just
wasn't
aware
of
part
of
the
reason
that
we
were
brought
on
was
at
some
of
the
obsolete
terms
and
uses
of
the
ordinances
that
we
could
strike
them.
And
since
there
were
substantial
changes
in
this
ordinance
section
I
thought
it
was
the
least
worth
discussion.
Does
anybody
know
what
does
it
mean?
E
E
F
H
F
H
E
A
H
E
One
question
I
had
for
you:
Tom
26,
107
Bernie,
for
cold
or
frost
protection.
It
says
that
a
permit
is
necessary
if
you
want
to
use
an
outdoor
heating
device.
If
I've
got
a
propane,
heater
and
I'm
sitting
out
in
the
camp
and
chair
I
need
a
permit
to
use
that
if
I
buy
from
Home
Depot
I
just
wasn't
sure
they
know.
That's.
E
B
All
right,
I,
just
I,
wanted
to
quickly
point
out.
Tom
I
know
that
we
have
this
chapter
here
about
construction,
noise
and
I
flipped
in
the
new
neighborhood,
where
new
construction
was
going
on,
I
mean
people
come
in
and
do
jobs
or
subcontractors
doing
their
thing.
And
generally,
when
we've
had
a
couple
of
issues,
we
we
call
I
just
tell
them
call
the
sheriff's
non-emergency
line.
They'll
come
take
care
of
it.
If
it's,
if
it's
an
issue,
is
there
any
way?
B
We
could
word
that
to
where
we
could
require,
or
if
we
should
require
contractors
to
make
sure
that
that
message
is
conveyed
to
to
these
work
crews,
so
that
maybe
because
a
lot
of
times
that
people
just
kind
of
deal
with
it
and
don't
know
that
they
really
can
also
I
just
kind
of
throwing
it
out
there
I
don't
know.
If
there's
anything,
we
could
do
to
strengthen
that
or
help
it
in
any
way
shape
or
form.
A
B
B
But,
as
I
said,
I
just
don't
know
if
there's
anything
any
opportunity
there
for
something
that
helps
get
the
message
out,
because,
as
I
said,
you
know,
you've
got
a
GC,
that's
there
they're
doing
their
thing,
they're,
probably
pretty
cognizant
of
it,
and
it's
not
it's
not
going
on
all
over
the
place
and
generally
there's
not
a
lot
of
construction
going
on
in
town
now,
but
just
curious.
What's
your
thoughts.
A
H
Can't
do
it
before
7:00
a.m.
or
after
6:00
p.m.
I
believe
they're
notified
by
the
building
department
of
that
noise,
a
requirement
that
they
cannot
operate,
and
obviously
you
get
an
extra
hour
to
sleep
in
on
Saturday
before
that
comes
off
and
you
can't
do
it
on
Sunday
I,
don't
know
what
else
that
we
could
do
to
add.
You
just
wanted
to
you're
suggesting
to
add
something
in
the
code
that
says
that
someone
has
an
obligation
to
tell
construction
workers
potentially.
B
That
were
and
then
I
could
Sunday
I
mean
I,
know,
I,
see
stuff
out
there
and
generally
it's
the
guys
that
aren't
making
so
much
noise,
but
I
mean
it's
construction
activity
they
might
be
in
there
tiling,
but
then
sometimes
of
running
a
tiling
saw
or
something
so
it's
intermittent
oiz
but
I
see
guys
they're
workers
that
are
out
there
on
a
Sunday.
Even
but
it's
just
people
don't
know
that
they
kind
of
have
this
luxury
to
enjoy
it
from
not
having
to
deal
with
the
noise.
F
Starting
off
some
interesting
findings
on
this
is
we're
gonna
14
our
contract
with
the
public
there's
some
significant
recycling
concerns
coming
up
with
a
city
because
the
entire
industry
of
recycling
isn't
faithful,
as
you
may
know,
so,
there's
some
awakenings
coming
to
the
residents.
If
you
will
it'll
come
out
recycling
but
going
into
it
in
the
first
section.
Under
the
definitions,
there
are
three
definitions
of
garbage
that
were
dominated
in
the
said:
garbage
dry,
garbage
household
or
garbage
moist.
F
Nowhere
in
the
ordinance
could
I
find
garbage
dry
or
garbage
employees
for
those
definitions
being
used.
It
didn't
know
if
it
made
sense
to
combine
those
who
put
that
into
one
category
there.
So
it's
just
a
comment
by
me
also
under
there
there's
definition
of
securable
gate,
which
is
also
not
anywhere
inside
of
the
ordinances,
but
it
was
used
in
a
previous
definition
under
the
enclosed
gate.
Above
so
there's,
another
definition.
F
I
found
that
to
be
used
scrolling
into
the
ordinances
in
section
54
for
like
the
previous
chapter,
the
public's
work
director
and
everything
they
asked
for
all
that
to
be
changed
over
to
utility
billing
department
and
administrative
services
to
make
those
changes.
I
have
a
red
line
top
before
you
tom.
If
you
want
it
that
I
can
get
to
I'm
trying
to
get
to
him
before
this
meeting.
Sorry.
H
F
A
H
Ford
car
can
I,
ask
you
some
questions,
I
mean
so
are
these
suggestions
that
staff
is
requesting
yeah,
okay
and
they
were
suggesting
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
change,
they
don't
want
it
to
go
through
the
public
works
director.
They
want
to
go
through
what
utility
billing
so,
who
is
gonna,
be
doing
that
at
utility
billing
then
I
think.
H
A
A
F
H
F
F
F
F
F
A
H
The
time
I'm
gonna
do
fees
associated
with
anything
that
we
do
other
than
the
rates
for
water.
We
do
it
by
resolution,
so
it
can
change
so
that
we
don't
have
to
have
two
public
hearings
and
public
input
and
and
the
like,
it's
usually
dust
on
with
one
hearing
or
one
meeting
and
by
resolution.
So
you
probably
don't
want
to
nail
that
down
to
a
specific
fee.
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
know,
for
example,
what
it
is
right
now,
we
just
do
it
by
resolution.
Okay,.
F
F
54
7
item
B
again
listing
the
solid
waste
division
need
to
change
that
to
the
Administrative
Services
Director
item
D.
In
that
same
section,
arrangements
for
pickup
in
alleys
may
be
made
where
such
service
results
in
economy
and
efficiency
for
the
city
or
its
contractor.
In
talking
with
the
staff
in
the
city,
there
really
is
no
thoroughfare
alleyways
in
the
city
without
become
efficient,
nor
do
they
think
they
would
be
servicing
any
of
the
alleyways
they're
listed
in
the
on
the
planning.
A
A
B
F
A
F
Right
same
section,
no
sorry,
54,
8,
section,
D,
scattered
bulk
and
yard
weight.
We
weren't
sure
what
scattered
bulk
and
yard
waste
meant.
It's
not
in
the
definitions,
not
sure
if
it
needs
to
be
defined,
but
basically
the
way
we
thought
about.
This
is
the
spouse,
throwing
the
other
spouse
out
and
throwing
everything
out
on
the
yard
and
the
only
thing
we've
come
up
with
I.
A
H
The
answer:
the
question
is:
if
it's
not
properly
stacked
or
placed
so
as
the
code
would
require
it
and
it
remains
there
and
they
don't
remove
it,
they
would
be
cited
code
enforcement
or
okay,
so
leave
it
the
way
it
is
I
think
you
need
to
leave
the
way
it
is
and
by
the
way,
the
way
I
read,
scattered,
bulk
and
yard
waste
is
is
tree
limbs
that
are
all
over
the
front
of
the
yard.
It's
not
a
one
particular
pickup
spot
in
tree
limbs
and
yard
waste.
H
Obviously
piles
of
leaves
that
are
not
in
any
particular
form
they're
just
in
piles
around
the
property.
That's
what
I
think
that
this
trying
to
get
to
is
is
even
though
it
specifically
it
lifts
up
above
how
things
are
supposed
to
be
placed
at
the
curbside.
This
is
just
making
it
absolutely
clear
if
you,
unless
you,
if
you
don't
do
that,
we're
not
gonna
pick
it
up.
Okay,
yeah.
F
Item
e
same
section,
this
is
not
necessarily
the
process.
If
you're
using
your
own
container,
you
bought
from
Lowe's,
Home,
Depot,
etc.
That's
not
a
city-owned
container.
They
are
not
going
to
condemn
it
first
and
send
you
a
letter.
They're
gonna
stick
a
sticker
on
the
they
can
saying
it's
no
longer
usable.
They
can't
use
the
pickup
in
their
trucks
or
they're,
going
to
put
a
door
tag
on
your
door,
so
they're
not
going
to
condemn
the
container
first
and
then
notify
the
resident
they're
going
to
notify
the
resident
via
sticker
or
door
tag.
F
H
F
Okay,
fifty
four
nine
a
public
was
not
defined.
No
one
could
figure
out
what
that
meant.
Our
assumption
is
that
that
it's
going
to
be
like
their
office
complexes
that
shared
dumpster
or
multifamily,
but
that's
also
defined
and
or
mentioned
in
that
same
section,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
needed
to
find
semi-public.
H
F
F
F
The
changes
that
the
they
recommended
was
taking
it
from
the
last
part
of
that
sentence
where
it
says
the
city
may
bill
the
tenant
or
occupant
of
the
parentheses
for
the
garbage
and
trash
collected,
cautions
ARBs
discharges
at
the
express
written
request
of
the
owner,
okay
or
just
at
the
written
request
of
the
owner,
not
the
express
of
the
other
and
then
the
last
one
is
54
to
three
violations
once
again.
Changing
the
solid
waste
division
in
there
to
the
administrative
services
director.
F
A
E
Know
I
had
a
couple
things:
I've
added
section:
54
13
excuse
me
14
subsection,
a
4.
It
says
organizer
shall
be
responsible
for
all
fields,
associated
garbage
and
recycling
collection,
as
identified
in
a
special
event
permit
so
seen
associated
with
thank
you
section,
54
16
I
didn't
catch
up,
I'm,
sorry,
I'm.
E
E
D
H
E
E
It
becomes
effective
immediately
upon
the
distribution
of
the
service.
Basically,
once
I
charge
you
for
it,
you're
get.
You
got
a
lien
on
your
property
for
it.
I
understand
this
comes
up
in
a
lot
and
what
I
do,
and
so,
if
you
run
a
title,
search,
you're
going
to
sell
your
house
and
they
run
a
title
search
and
they
look
for
liens
and
they
look
for
on
and
on
down
the
line.
Now
you
may
have
a
spectacular
title:
searcher
who
says:
hey
I
also
need
a
utility
bill
report.
E
What
ends
up
happening
is
that
the
new
owner
goes
to
sell
the
house
and
they
say:
hey
you
had
at
these
unpaid
utility
charges
from
2015.
You
owe
me
$3,000.
They
filed
claim
against
their
title
insurance
policy
and
there
wasn't
any
lien
I,
don't
know
what
to
do.
I
can't
help
you
is
there
a
reason
that
ordinances
are
drafted
that
way,
it's
really
from
my
own
education,
but
I,
don't
think
that's
fair
to
the
citizens
to
say
hey!
A
H
So
that's
what
it
is
is
that
we
have
a
enterprise
fund,
that
we
have
to
collect
for
every
service
that
we
provide,
and
this
is
the
way
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we're
gonna
collect
it,
and
you
know-
and
obviously
when
it
gets
to
a
point
where
there's
an
outstanding
dollar
amount.
We
actually
do
have
a
lien
process
where
it
is
prepared
and
it
is
recorded.
This
is
basically
to
pick
up
the
stragglers.
H
F
H
A
E
And
it
does
sometimes,
if
there's
a
lien,
that's
recorded
and
then
other
times
you
have
to
put
your
hands
in
the
air
and
say:
there's
not
really
much
I
can
do
a
friend
of
mine
worked
in
title
insurance
once
it's
not
really
much.
I
can
do
to
help
you
sorry.
So
if
you
guys
ever
go
to
sell
your
house,
according
to
my
friend,
make
sure
they
run
that
search
as
they're
there
and
you
turn
around
and
you
go
to
your
title
insurance
and
what
they'll
say
is
it
wasn't
a
record?
There's
nothing,
there's
nothing
there.
E
We
could
have
found
and
so
they'll
say
well.
You
could
have
called
and
inquired
about
this
right
and
so
I
didn't
run.
The
search
all
I
know
is
your
policy
doesn't
cover
because
it
wasn't
a
record
just
letting
you
know
that's
why
I
brought
the
question
right
yeah
the
super
priority
lease,
which
means
you
got
pay,
there's
no
getting
around
it
and
they'll
just
take
it
out
of
your
bottom
line.
When
you
sell
your
house,
so
I've
heard.
B
G
H
We
know
that
we're
tracking
a
bill
right
now
and
what
a
legislature
that
may
make
the
regulation
of
businesses
it
preempted
to
the
state,
obviously
that
that
has
not
run
its
course
yet,
and
so
I
was
just
bringing
it
to
the
attention
of
the
the
committee.
The
last
time
that
you
know
just
keep
in
mind
that
this
may
just
completely
go
away.
H
Don't
really
think
that
there
is
a
huge
chance
that
it
happens,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
weird
things
that
are
going
on
with
regard
to
home
rule
and
there's
a
lot
of
loss
of
home
rule
by
the
Florida
Legislature,
creating
statutes
that
basically
takes
all
sorts
of
power
away
from
the
cities,
and
you
know,
even
though
I
don't
think
that
that
it's
gonna
happen.
I
just
don't
know.
Don't
your
rule
is
to
look
at
this
yeah.
You
know
whether
or
not
or.
G
G
Okay,
so
not
a
whole
lot
of
changes.
Guess
actually
this
is
gonna,
be
much
quicker
than
one
would
think.
When
you
look
at
how
many
pages
there
are
here,
because
in
my
meeting
the
staff
I
met
with
Cindy
Murray
and
Michelle
most
of
the
things
they
actually
did,
the
first
state.
They
said,
that's
state
the
state
code
state
statute.
What
have
you
so
I
had
a
lot
of
questions
for
them,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
all
came
down
to
that's
what
it
is
in
the
state.
G
So
that's
why
we
have
it
here,
but
I'll
kind
of
go
through
some
of
my
notes
in
paragraph
62
31
there's
a
reference
to
fuel
oil
I
was
just
wondering:
do
we
need
that?
Is
it
still
in
place?
They
said?
Well,
it's
in
you
know
it's
in
the
florida
code.
So
that's
why
it's
in
here,
but
I,
don't
know
if
anybody's
still
using
fuel
oil
at
all.
G
A
G
And
then
moving
on
down
transfer
of
license,
which
is
62,
62
I,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
references
to
percentages,
dollar
amounts
and
things
of
that
nature.
I
guess!
My
question
is:
are
we
just
gonna
defer
to
the
code,
the
state
code
or
do
any
of
these
numbers
need
to
be
looked
at
or
changed
percentages?
G
It
reads:
any
business
receipt
may
be
transferred
to
a
new
owner
when
there
is
a
bona
fide
sale
of
business
upon
payment
of
a
transfer
fee
of
10%
of
the
annual
local
business
tax,
but
not
less
than
$3,
and
not
more
than
$25
a
presentation
of
the
original
receipt
and
evidence
of
the
sale
I'm
assuming
that
that'll
probably
just
deferred
State.
So.
H
My
suggestion
is,
is
that
you
don't
change
that,
because,
when
you
change
that
it
may
affect
how
the
state
sees
how
we
are
charging
our
fees
for
business
taxes,
business
tax
receipts,
which
requires
an
additional
step
for
us
to
create
a
commissioner
and
have
a
survey
done
and
more
the
like
and
so
I
think
that
you're
covered.
The
idea
there
is
is
to
cover
the
administrative
costs
of
making
the
changing
the
paperwork.
That's
really
what
it
is.
G
G
77
there's
a
long
alphabetized
list
of
various
fees
in
there
I
mean,
as
the
list
is
quite
long,
and
you
know
and
I
asked
staff.
What
do
they
you
know
do
any
of
these
need
to
be
looked
at
or
revise
they
kind
of
just
said.
It's
based
upon
state.
Go
so
I,
don't
know
if
there's
anything
in
there,
Tom
needs
to
be
looked
at
that
jumps
off
the
page
as
being
unusual
or
too
low
or
too
high
yeah.
H
H
A
H
H
A
E
G
G
H
G
H
Yeah,
that
was
the
starting
point,
so
we
looked
at
it.
We
look
at
it
every
single
year,
I
mean
we
couldn't
update
this.
If
you
would
like
to
make
it
more
current,
the
last
time
obviously
was
in
2007,
but
yes,
we
could
update
it-
beginning,
for
example,
January
1
2020
and
put
that
dollar
the
correct
dollar
amount
thereafter.
So.
B
Okay
got
everything,
yes
all
right
with
that,
then
we
will
move
along
to
agenda
item
number
six
discuss
chapter
66
traffic
and
vehicles
or
sealy
member
and
your
net
alright
met
with
staff,
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
chapter,
because
it
gets
into
some
very
different
areas
when
it
comes
to
vehicles
and
traffic.
The
first
thing
that
actually
failed
to
discuss
with
staff
I've
just
missed
it
in
my
notes,
but
I
figured
Tom.
You
may
have
a
the
answer
to
this
in
Section,
66,
three
advertising
or
selling
from
vehicle.
It
says
it's.
B
H
H
You
know
where
this
was
geared
towards
is,
for
example,
the
big
army
truck
that
sat
out
in
front
of
like
where
Chili's
was
for
years
with
a
sign
on
it,
but
that
was
the
purpose
of
it.
Okay,
you
may
want
to
you
know
revisit
this
and
I
mean
maybe
give
some
direction,
because
obviously
there
are
food
trucks
now
that
people
use
mm-hmm
a
lot
of
cities
want
them
in
their
cities.
Oh
sure,
but.
B
You
have
a
selling
from
the
vehicle.
I,
don't
see
the
problem
with
so
much
as
the
advertising
I
mean
hey,
I
kind
of
see
it
as
it
can.
It
can
be
kind
of
distracting
and
what's
a
big
billboard
and
it's
often
you're
further
field-of-view
versus
something
that
might
be
passing
you
by
how
anybody
else
feels
about
it.
But.
A
E
E
Just
but
to
Tom's
point
we're
parked
out
in
front
of
Chili's
for,
however
long
and
all
I
was
doing
was
advertising
I,
think
a
parked
car,
ooh,
yeah
or
a
party
festival
is
easier
to
say.
No
all
they're
trying
to
do
is
advertising
if
you're
driving,
so
it's
like
well,
no,
my
primary
purpose
is
I
need
to
get
home.
I'm
just
happy
to
be
sewing
all.
B
B
Well,
that
was
I
said
that
was
the
one
I
missed.
It's
I,
don't
know
if
maybe
I
can
try
to
revisit
with
them
to
say
if
they
have
some
some
insight
to
that,
because
it
just
somehow
I
got
excited
about
golf
carts
and
everything
else
in
here,
and
it's
the
advertising
on
the
very
first
page,
yeah
and
I.
Had
it
circled
so
I
can
revisit
that
and
bring
it
back.
B
Well,
you
know,
send
an
email
out
send
an
email
to
Tommy
and
it
kind
of
clears
that
up,
because
I
think
it
probably
needs
some
clarity
to
it,
or
maybe
it
needs
its
own
little
subsections
of
sorts
to
break
it.
Apart
from
food
truck
vendors
ice
cream
versus
these
advertising
vehicles,
that
are
there
too.
A
B
That
sounds
good.
All
righty,
then,
on
the
next
couple
of
pages
and
I
may
not
have
caught
them
all,
but
hopefully
I
did
60
section
66
36,
paragraph
2.
When
it
talks
about
loading
and
unloading,
it
says
and
I'm
skipping
down
into
the
middle
of
it
says
such
loading
shall
take
place
in
zones
designated
by
the
mayor
and
shall
be
appropriately
marked
well
vacant.
Now,
there's
a
couple
where
it
says
that
and
then
there's
a
different
sentence
that
says
designated
by
the
mayor
or
the
City
Council
and
I.
A
A
D
A
B
B
B
When
regulations
applicable
to
such
passenger
zones
are
effective
and
then
only
for
a
period
not
to
exceed
10
minutes,
staff
was
unaware
of
any
passenger
zones
in
the
city
and
I
didn't
really
know
what
those
were
I
thought
at
first,
it
might
be
a
taxi
taxi
cab
stand
or
bus
stop.
But
that's
was
the
next
section
so.
B
H
Where
this
will
come
into
play
and
what
I've
seen
it
as
an
areas
where
there's
big
special
events
like
Clearwater
Dunedin,
so
that
they
have
pasture
zone
areas
for
uber
and
lyft
and
to
drop
and
pick
up
so
that
there
is
a
constant
movement
there
and
it
doesn't
require
a
parking
space
for
either
uber
or
lyft.
And
so
that
would
be
perfectly.
A
F
B
Right
then,
the
rest
of
that
was
okay
and
then,
let's
see
insects,
change
in
66,
44
there's
another
designated
by
the
mayor
twice
in
that
first
paragraph.
So
you
know
we
just
need
to
change
those
two
shall
be
designated
or
whatever
language
that
we
need
to
insert
there
too,
move
the
responsibility
of
just
the
mayor.
E
Could
I
had
the
same
thought
yeah
this
where's,
the
taxicab
stay
in
anyway,
I
mean
it's
really
it's
moving
into
what
Tom
described
where
it's
you
have.
Those
passengers
owns
right
where
it's
just
if
you're
getting
an
over
left,
you
go
over
here,
and
this
is
where
they
come
through
and
it's
a
organized
process.
E
B
F
B
B
B
H
B
H
B
H
B
So
I,
just
kind
of
was
general
about
the
the
fees
with
that
I
didn't
really
I
mean
I,
read
through
a
lot
with
the
with
the
junk
vehicles
and
the
hearings
and
stuff
and
spoke
with
Greg
about
those
sections,
and
he
didn't
not
have
any
guidance
on
that.
There's
things
lacking
to
where
he
can
enforce
right
now
or
anything
along
that
matter.
He
was.
It
was
pretty
okay
with
how
those
sections
are,
as
is
which
those
extend
a
couple
of
pages.
B
And
then,
if
we
get
down
to
the
fun
topic,
golf
carts
article
four,
there
still
wasn't
a
lot
of
recommended
changes.
There
I
talked
with
them
about
the
feed
and
they
collect
now
to
register
carts,
and
they
said
that's
sufficient
there.
It's
basically
just
to
cover
the
cost
of
getting
a
decal
printed
and
Greg
is
the
one
that
the
code
enforcement
inspector
inspects
the
carts
and
he's.
You
know
satisfied
with
the
way
that
process
goes
and
his
time
is
essentially
covered
through
his
normal
through
the
normal
budget
process.
B
One
of
the
questions
I
did
have
with
them
is
just
to
make
sure
it
mentions
that
there
is
a
map
which
I
gave
me
a
copy
of
as
far
as
streets.
We
really
haven't
had
many
new
streets.
The
only
ones
are
ascent,
mostly
over
in
base
I
terrace,
which
is
all
private,
gated
HOA.
So
it's
up
to
them
to
decide
what
they
can
and
can't
do
there
they.
The
discussion
we
had
a
little
bit
was
when
this
all
started.
B
C
C
B
Did
kind
of
discuss
that
to
say
you
know:
should
we
just
recognize
us,
as
a
group
recommended
the
council
to
say
if
we
want
to
be
a
golf
cart
friendly
City,
where,
where
it
is
permissible
based
on
state
guidelines,
should
we
just
open
it
up
and
say
that
it
is
and
I
didn't
know
that
it
was
pretty
prevalent
in
harbor
palms
but
they're?
Definitely
quite
a
few
being
used
in
there.
So
that's
kind
of
a
big
section
that
is
currently
not
on
our
list,
and
so
people
should
you
know,
could
could
get
in
trouble.
B
That's
county
roads
technically
right
now,
so
their
recommendation,
or
at
least
the
discussion
we
had
was
potentially
opening
it
up
to
Harbor,
Palms
and
Bayside
meadows
and
then
obviously
kind
of
the
whole
Forest
Lakes
fountains.
You
know
north
side
of
oldsmar
they're,
essentially
a
lot
of
that's
HOA
controlled.
So,
but
there
are
a
couple
city
streets
there
you
have
Forest
Road
and
Pine
Avenue.
However,
Pine
Avenue
cannot
cross
Forest
Lakes
legally
according
to
how
this
is
written
now.
So.
G
B
E
E
B
That's
a
cami
Road
though
so
there's
not
to
say
that
in
some
of
the
discussion
I
had
with
with
staff
was
you
can
get
into
this
longer
fight
to
try
to
get
that
approved?
But
it's
not
just
something
that
happens
overnight.
State's
gonna
be
much
more
difficult,
but
they
were
referencing
over
in
Dundee
and
Skinner
Boulevard,
which
Tom.
Maybe
you
have
any
familiarity
with
that
that
happened
over
there
or
I'm
sorry
I
was.
B
H
The
problems
that
were
running
into
is
this
crossing
a
state
road
and
they
worked
with
FDOT
and
getting
crossings
in
certain
areas,
and
one
of
them
was
Skinner
in
Maine,
and
the
reason
that
it
was
so
difficult
is
is
there's
like
six
lanes
there
and
it
was
merging
in
different
angles
and
so
forth,
but
for
a
number
of
years
the
city
would
not
allow
golf
carts
across
any
state
road.
So
it's
wherever
they've
negotiated
particular
crossings.
Are
they
allowed
to
cross
it
like
for.
B
For
example,
though,
with
Forest
Lakes,
that's
a
county
road,
so
I
mean
it'd,
probably
be
some
similar
hurdles
there
and
obviously
there's
under
construction
and
stuff
right
now,
but
that's
something
for
see
that
there's
some
possibility
that
that
could
be
open
to
a
crossing
there
at
pine.
For
example,
the.
H
A
E
What
we
talked
about
when
we
were
discussing
all
that
stuff
about
the
golf
carts
you
and
I
mm-hmm,
but
it's
it'll.
It's
only
going
to
take
one
and
that's
for
sure.
That's
the
thing
I
mean
you're
in
a
golf
cart,
I
mean
there's
no
protection,
no
protection
whatsoever,
so
I
mean
even
a
soft
bump,
and
you
know
the
kids
are
in
there
and
then
it's
just
like
we
told
you
don't
do
it
well.
I
mean.
F
E
I
wonder
and
we
completely
I
guess
the
point
is
in
order
to
have
the
infrastructure
in
place
to
truly
make
it
a
golf
cart
community
where
Jared
and
I
were
discussing
this
once
and
I
said.
Well,
where
do
you
guys
go
on
the
other
side
of
Tampa
Road
he's
like
oh,
we
can
get
to
Apple
the
user.
They
said
yeah.
E
In
order
to
do
that,
so
what's
a
viable
alternative,
and
is
it
getting
some
of
those
exceptions,
but
then
that
would
have
to
be
they'd
have
to
be
so
specific
and
so
conducive
to.
Allow
that
to
happen.
I
don't
know
how
it
be
done.
I
mean
I,
think
we're
just
at
the
tip
of
the
iceberg
with
it
we're
sure
and.
B
There's
probably
more
work,
especially
in
that
that
North
Area,
that's
where
it
seems
like
more.
The
challenges
are
so
I
think
at
least
it
seems
safer,
especially
because
we
know
it's
happening
in
harbor
palms
and
bay
side
Meadows
to
maybe
at
least
recommend
that
they
open
that
up.
The
further
consideration
for
the
forest
lake.
B
E
I
mean
I
carry
my
kids
on
the
wagon
to
the
rec
center
because
they
go
down
Forest
Road
right
to
get
there,
but
that's
what
I
say
where
it's
just
like?
Okay,
let's
talk
in
the
wagon
or
going
to
pick
him
up
from
school
would
be
something
that's
fun.
You
know,
that'd
be
an
enjoyable.
It's
like!
Oh
I,
get
the
golf
cart
out.
I.
B
A
H
H
B
B
B
B
B
B
E
H
A
H
B
D
B
B
B
B
A
A
A
D
A
C
D
Can
only
drive
on
one
side
of
the
street
and
it's
a
curb
and
you
can't
see
people
coming
on
and
so
I
talked
to
a
lawyer
about
that
and
I
said:
whose
fault
is
it
if
I'm
coming
up
and
I
can't
drive
in
my
lane
and
I
move
over
in
the
other
Lane
to
go
through
the
street
and
somebody's
coming
around
the
curb
and
they're
going
too
fast
and
we
hit
head-on?
Whose
fault
is
it
and
he
said
it
would
probably
be
split
three
ways:
the
two
drivers
and
the
person
parked
on
the
street
so.
A
D
B
And
then
it's
a
matter
of
is
it
straight
or
curved,
because
I
know
at
one
point
like
with
my
neighborhood
in
Hayes
Park
they
on
the
original
site
plan.
They
were
anticipating,
maybe
doing
some
parallel
parking,
a
long,
Hayes
Road,
but
then
that
got
nixed
in
the
site
plan
because
it
was
along
a
curve,
so
kind.
B
H
A
F
G
F
F
A
A
B
H
H
It
doesn't
say
you
can't
go
over
20
miles
an
hour.
It's
basically,
you
know.
How
is
the
golf
cart,
rated
I
think
that
that's
where
that
comes
from
with
a
maximal,
attainable,
speed
of
20
miles
per
hour,
and
so,
if
they're
rated
in
some
particular
way,
I
don't
know
the
answer
that
question,
but
that's
the
way
I
read
that
it's
kind
of
like.
If
it's
rated
to
go
no
more
than
20
miles
an
hour,
then
it
meets
these
requirements.
H
A
H
B
Okay
and
then
just
to
loop
back
to
the
the
streets
again
Tom.
Do
we
just
to
make
sure
we
kind
of
because
I
think
we
can
get
everything
in
this
meeting?
You
not
have
to
come
back
other
than
just
the
question
of
like
in
in
for
flakes
there's
this
discrepancy
of.
Is
it
City
Street
versus
the
HOA
has
authority
to
allow
or
not
allow
call.
H
H
B
H
B
Well
and
I
guess:
that's
I,
don't
know
where
that
how
far
that
opens
up
the
use,
but
we
can
say
you
know
it's
up
to
the
city,
the
council
to
say
alright.
Do
they
want
to
open
it
up
to
everywhere
that
they
could,
instead
of
waiting
for
people
to
ask,
because
obviously
people
aren't
asking
and
other
bombs
yeah
so.
H
A
B
It
was,
it
was
specifically
brought
up
by
staff.
That
said,
they
know
it's
use
is
prevalent
in
harbor
palms
and
Bayside
Meadows,
so
I
mean
at
that
the
bay
the
bare
minimum,
and
then
that
can
still
be
the
standard
that
if
it's
asked
or
people
are
starting
to
use
it,
even
though
they're
not
legally
allowed
to
on
other
streets,
then
it
has
to
be
addressed
at
that
time.
So
I'd
say
bare
minimum
hardware
problems
and
base
a
menos
yeah.
H
H
B
A
E
F
E
E
A
A
B
Well,
it's
like
those
the
roads
Tom
listed
so
far
is
like
that's
just
kind
of
the
connecting
roads
around
the
neighborhoods
and
then,
if
then,
they
see
people
going
around
on
those
roads
or
something
I
try
to
leave
it
up.
To
that
point
say:
well,
it's
not
really
approved
right
now,
neighborhood
ice
kind
of
leaving
that
standard
words.
If
they
ask
for
it,
they
can
grant
it
okay,
the
council
could
grant
it
then
scratch
by
it,
but
at
least
at
least
the
roads
that
are
not
within
the
neighborhood's.
B
A
B
D
E
I
think
we'd
belabor
the
point
it's
I
just
I
walk
out
of
my
garage
and
then
do
I
tote
my
golf
cart
to
the
edge
of
the
neighborhood
and
then
drive
down
forest
road
to
pine
and
then
stop
and
then
throw
my
kids
across
the
street.
Oh,
my
golf
cart
back
to
my
house.
That's
what
I
mean
yeah,
but
maybe
it
needs
a
tree.
Approval
I
mean
it's
just
it's
a
bunch
of
red
tape.
A
E
A
A
E
We
don't
even
know
if
they
said
yes
or
no
yet
either
that's
what
I
mean
where
it
would
take
that
just
extra
line
of
research
to
say
hey
do
we
need
proactive
approval
in
order
to
allow
this,
as
people
drive
on
golf
carts
around
my
neighborhood
and
there's
no
HOA
people
with
cameras.
Saying
don't
do
that,
but.
A
B
B
It
talks
about
parking
in
here
and
you're
supposed
to
park
to
where
you
can
get
two
carts
in
one
spot.
How
many
do
you
have
to
pay
half
as
much
all
right,
I
think.
So
what
where
do
we
want
to
go?
You
want
to
open
it
up
to
a
whole
lot
or
leave
you
that
what
we
know
is
at
least
very
prevalent
right
now.
I
say.
E
B
E
B
B
A
B
There's
a
second
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
all
opposed
motion
passes.
Genda
item
number
8
assigned
chapters
for
next
meetings
decision
is
going
to
be
on
my
birthday
for
all
six
about
it.
We
had
a
we
already
had
slated
in
chapter
22
elections,
because
we
wanted
to
wait
till
after
the
upcoming
election
for
that
chapter,
which
is
just
a
single
page,
and
then
there
were
two
assigned,
but
not
scheduled.
Chapters
of
chapter
10,
42.