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A
D
A
C
Welcome
to
the
January
10th
city
of
Oldsmar
work
session
on
the
Downtown
Development
request
for
proposal
specifics.
It
is
2
p.m,
and
I
am
calling
this
meeting
to
order
good
afternoon.
Everyone.
Thank
you
for
joining
us.
We're
going
to
start
out
today
with
our
invocation
and
our
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
by
our
City
attorney
Tom
Trask.
Please
rise.
F
Our
heavenly
father,
we
pray
that
you
guide
us
as
always
satisfy
the
needs
that
need
to
be
met
during
this
meeting,
strengthen
the
council
as
they
make
tough
decisions,
guide
them
to
be
effective
and
decisive,
so
that
this
meeting
will
be
productive.
And
this
we
pray,
amen,
amen,
I,
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation
under
God,
indivisible
with.
C
C
G
G
We
got
a
new
house,
new
roof,
waterproofing,
facade
windows
and
everything
else,
mechanical
equipment
as
I
review.
The
elements
of
the
RFP
call
for
the
complete
site
to
be
redeveloped,
including
City
Hall
leaving
the
100
building
would
be
it
would
it
would
diminish
the
project
as
a
as
from
what
I
view
and
the
building
the
100
building
as
I
understand
needs
significant
improvement
work.
G
The
priority
of
the
city
hall,
inclusive
project
scope
versus
price,
which
is
on
the
agenda,
would
be
presented
by
gai,
based
on
their
evaluation,
the
concept
that
the
developer
is
giving
the
city
back
the
100
building
significant
taxpayer
money
to
restore
the
building
after
a
use
for
it
is
found.
Please
return
this
building
to
the
tax
rolls.
Thank
you.
I
Hi,
my
name
is
TJ
Murphy
I
leave
at
301,
Fairfield
Street
been
living
here
since
1980.
Just
three
quick
points,
I
want
to
point
out.
Real
quick
is
I,
just
teach
my
grandson
how
to
ride
a
bike.
It's
very
difficult
in
this
city
now
because
people's
cars
block
the
sidewalks.
It
forces
me
to
go
out
in
the
street
about
five
years
ago.
I
had
actually
had
a
police
officer
stop
by
my
house,
because
I
was
doing
that
too,
because
some
people
from
handicapped
people
couldn't
get
through
and
they
asked
me
you
know
so.
I
I'm
gonna
have
to
cite
you.
If
you
don't
so
there
must
be
a
rule
against
doing
that.
So
if
the
police
could
like
I,
don't
don't
cite
everybody
but
give
them
all
warning
say
you
cannot
block
their
sidewalks.
Okay
I
mean
it's
getting
to
be
crazy.
Okay,
Point
number
two
is
again
with
the
little
guy
going
all
over
the
city
and
I'm
a
runner
I,
don't
know
the
city.
I
move
those
markers
I,
don't
like
a
lot
of
restrictions,
I
only
Cloud
rules.
That's
why
I
don't
live
in
Eastlake
and
things
like
that.
I
But
some
of
the
rules
we
got
it,
we
got
to
kind
of
arrange
some
of
it
in
a
little
bit.
What's
going
on
with
all
the
trailers
in
everybody's
yard
and
RV
vehicles,
I
mean,
have
you
ever
really
looked
drove
around?
Do
it
one
day
it's
astronomical
how
many
huge
huge
winnebagos?
If
you
can
afford
a
Winnebago,
it
costs
150
000.
You
can
store
it
for
30
bucks
a
month.
You
know
in
three
places
right
up
the
block.
It's
an
eyesore,
it's
an
eyesore
and
it
looks
like
crap.
I
Most
a
lot
of
people
are
living
in
them.
Okay
and
the
same
with
the
work
Vehicles
again
I
like
Oldsmar,
because
it's
got
no
restrictions,
and
so
you
know
little
businesses,
that's
great
they're
little
trucks
out
front,
but
now
people
are
putting
like
four
wheel
enough,
putting
huge
dump
trucks
in
the
front
yard,
especially
in
the
hidden
areas.
If
you
go
back
out
toward
Mobley,
Bay
and
stuff,
like
that,
I
mean
I
mean
there's,
there's
tractors,
there
are,
you
know,
dump
trucks
in
their
front
yard.
I
You
know
again
I
like
the
not
a
lot
of
restrictions,
but
that's
just
not
that's.
Not
good,
it's
not
a
good
look.
Two
more
quick
points
is
the
trees
I'm
a
big
tree,
nut
well,
I've
planted
probably
hundred
thousand
trees,
but
not
in
this
country
of
coming
all
over
the
world.
We
have
tree
ordinances,
and
we
have
isn't
that
one
of
our
mottos,
you
know,
oldsmars
the
trees
you
guys
give
out.
You
know
to
cut
down
trees
like
at
a
whim.
I
You
know,
I,
don't
like
leaves
in
my
yard,
cut
down
100
year
old
oak
tree.
It's
looking,
you
know,
that's
ridiculous!
If
it's
endangering
your
house,
yes,
okay,
if
it's
blocking
something?
Yes,
but
you
can't
just
cut
down
100
year
old
tree.
It's
not
yours,
I,
don't
care
if
it's
on
your
property
belongs
to
my
child
and
your
children
or
our
grandchildren.
Okay
go
up
and
visit
the
Panhandle
where
that
Michael
hit
I
have
property
in
in
in
Jackson
County
Florida,
they
lost
80
percent
of
their
trees.
I
When
Michael
80
percent
changed
the
entire
city,
it
looks
like
nothing.
It's
it's
unbelievable!
It's
because
the
trees
weren't
taken
care
of
and
that's
another
point.
We
have
an
arborist
right.
Okay,
so
when
these
guys
come
to
cut
for
the
wires,
don't
just
hack,
so
the
wires
are
there,
an
arborist
can
pick
and
choose
which
Limbs
and
how
they're
going
to
grow
and
how
they're
going
to
form
when
they're
cut.
So
they
before
these
guys
start
to
cut
just
walk.
I
Take
that
limb
that
limb,
that
limb,
that
limb
leave
this
one
to
leave
that
one
okay,
and
maybe
it's
worth
spending
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
okay
to
clean
up
our
old
trees,
so
that
when
we
get
a
hurricane,
they
survive
it.
Okay,
the
trees
will
survive.
If
you
thin
them
out
a
little
bit,
they
can
survive
category
one
and
two
hits,
but
if
they're
thick
and
old
like
they
are
now,
our
trees
are
very,
very
old
and
we're
going
to
lose
them
all.
I
And
that's
going
to
be
a
sad
day
and
I'll
be
here
to
remind
you
that
when
we
get
hit
with
a
category
two
and
we
lose
every
one
of
our
trees
and
how
it's
going
to
change
the
whole
outlook.
So
now
we're
getting
ready
to
build
our
new
downtown
and
the
and
the
in
the
core
Corridor.
All
they
talked
about
is
shade
and
getting
trees.
And
how
do
we
shade
the
walkway?
I
We
got
the
trees,
so,
let's,
let's
protect
them,
let's
protect
them,
so
spend
the
money
now
versus
the
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
thousand
dollars
in
cleanup.
It's
going
to
cost
the
city
when
the
category
two
comes
through,
because
it's
coming
guys,
let's
go,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
the
new
downtown
I
love
that
we're
thinking
about
it
again.
I
just
got
back
from
a
two-week
travel
all
through
the
Northeast
and
Tennessee,
and
up
in
the
up
into
the
New
England.
Okay
I
went
to
their
downtowns.
I
You
know
why,
because
they
were
eclectic,
they
were
different.
They
weren't
just
condos,
condos,
condos
and
the
same
old
stores.
They
had
weird
little
stores
that
I
wanted
to
see
and
weird
little
shops
and
they
had
a
little
Museum
of
Children's
Museum
and
no
nothing
Town
North
Carolina
that
we
went
out
of
our
way
and
spent
the
entire
day
there
and
ate
two
meals
in
that
town,
because
it
had
a
cool,
little
Children's,
Museum
and
and
know
nothing
town.
I
Okay,
we
have
one
obviously
in
town
in
St,
Pete
and
Tampa,
but
look
for
eclectic
guys,
don't
sell
out.
We
have
space
nobody
else
in
Pinellas.
County
has
space
utilize
that
properly
be
smart,
don't
sell
out
for
the
quick,
Buck,
okay,
say
hi
for
the
future
of
my
grandchildren
and
your
grandchildren.
Okay,
and
that's
it.
Thank.
C
J
J
I
saw
a
tree,
go
down,
I,
don't
know
how
many
trees
they
took
down
so
I
support
that
very
much
I
also
agree
with
little
towns
like
DeLand
Mount
Dora
spend
a
weekend
at
those
towns
because
they
have
the
most
eclectic
cute
adorable
well-attended
downtowns
I
do,
however,
also
want
to
comment
on
the
RV.
Okay.
One
of
the
reasons
I
came
to
Oldsmar
is
because
I,
like
less
regulation,
I
have
an
RV
I.
Think
that
there's
a
compromise
where
you
can
put
your
RV
behind
the
gate
in
your
backyard.
J
That's
where
mine
is
storage
is
approximately
15
a
month
per
linear
foot
of
RV.
It's
not
thirty
dollars
a
month.
So
I
think
that
we
could
come
up
with
regulations.
I
mean
mine
is
camouflage.
So
it's
not
not
really
obvious
from
the
road,
but
I
think
that
there
could
be
a
meeting
point
on
that.
Okay,.
K
Jerry
beaverland
512
Pine
Avenue
South
the.
If
she
can
park
her
RV
inside
of
her
house,
I
think
that's
in
our
code.
K
You
can
check
that
out,
but
the
guy's
right
you
have
left
not
you
I,
don't
know
what
our
code
enforcement
guide
does,
but
it
would
be
nice
if
he'd
walk
drive
down
the
streets
once
a
year.
At
least
I
know
where
there's
a
truck
a
boom
truck,
that's
sitting
in
the
yard
for
four
years
I
had
to
come
and
talk
to
a
couple
of
it's
it's
still.
There.
K
Why
would
there's
a
house
across
the
street
I?
Don't
know
why
you'd
buy
that
house
across
the
streets
when
you
got
something
like
on
this
side
of
the
street,
it
looks
like
crap
and
it's
crap,
so
I
would
advise
you,
mayor
and
Council
people
to
go
up
and
down
the
streets
and
see
how
many
illegal
trucks
there
are
in
front
of
people's
property,
and
that's
fine
if
you
don't
live
across
the
street
from
it.
K
D
K
K
Was
on
Council
when
we
built
it
and
I
I
will
tell
you
this
story
that
it
the
budget,
was
1.8
million.
K
K
Don't
go
about
over
well,
the
doors
were
like
a
thousand
dollars,
each
I
said:
go
down
to
Walmart,
put
on
a
Walmart,
doesn't
sell
chores,
it's
too
hard
go
down
here
and
buy
a
hundred
dollar
door
and
the
guy
said.
Well,
we
won't
have
a
beautiful
yeah.
You
will.
Nobody
cares
what
you
do
down
here
when
you
open
the
door,
don't
build
the
roof,
you're
going
to
build
it
and
then
I
said
I'll.
Tell
you
what
I'll
scream
until
it's
down
1.6
million
or
1.4
million-
guess
what
we
paid
for
it,
1.4
million.
K
H
D
K
K
From
the
corner
of
Pine
Avenue
and
Forest
Lakes
Boulevard,
it
was
going
to
build
a
this
is
when
I
was
married.
I
was
going
to
build
a
7-Eleven
there
and
I
said
no
you're.
Not
so
I
went
to
the
guy
that
owned
it
and
he
owned
a
lot
of
land
over
here.
By
the
way.
That's
how
we
got
the
lake.
When
you
drive
out
you
have
a
beautiful
Lake.
That's
all
we
got
to
think
because
I
told
him
at
the
time.
K
K
K
K
C
N
Eric
Seidel
114,
Shore,
Drive,
Place,
beautiful
Oldsmar,
haven't
been
to
a
meeting
in
a
while
I
walk
in
and
I
see
Jerry.
What's
the
first
thing
he
says,
man
you've
got
him
fat
I'm
like
well
I,
don't
worry
about
stuff
anymore.
Hey
I
only
have
a
few
things
that
I
want
to
add.
I.
Of
course,
I
agree
with
Jerry
about
this
building
and
I
know
that's
not
on
the
docket
to
consider
so.
N
But
it's
it's
a
good
point
to
let
our
citizens
know
I
just
wanted
to
share
just
a
couple
Thoughts
with
y'all
number
one
I
I
think
it's
smart
to
entertain,
including
that
building
the
city
hall
it's
going
to
require
a
lot
of
investment.
It's
one
of
the
things
that
in
years
past,
we
would
look
at
and
be
concerned
about
as
to
the
longevity.
But
it's
like
35
years
old.
Now,
by
the
time
you
get
done,
assuming
you're
able
to
move
forward
and
get
some
stuff
done.
N
It's
going
to
be
like
40
years
old
and
at
that
point
us,
as
taxpayers,
are
going
to
have
a
lot
of
investment
to
do
and
it
becomes
a
lot
less
practical.
I
know
it's
been
a
building
that
was
built
with
a
lot
of
passion.
A
lot
has
changed
35
years
ago,
Tampa
Road
wasn't
the
hot
spot
that
it
is
today,
and
so
the
city
hall
need
to
be
right.
There,
probably
not
it's
a
good
thing
to
consider
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
you're
thinking
about
it.
N
The
other
point
that
I
just
wanted
to
make
to
you
all,
because
I
I
recognize
that
when
you
start
talking
about
different
elements
that
you
want
to
see
in
this
downtown,
it
can
be
easy
to
forget
one
fundamental,
and
that
is
the
economics
of
it
and
when
I
say
the
economics
of
it,
I
don't
mean
the
impact
to
the
area.
I
mean
the
impact
of
the
taxpayers
to
pay
for
what
we
want
and
so
I'd
ask
that
you
really
keep
that
in
mind.
N
H
N
That's
when
it
becomes
important
to
have
more
land
to
use
as
Leverage
with
the
developer,
to
get
them
to
pay
for
as
much
as
possible
and
because
there's
only
three
ways
to
pay
for
it:
either
you
raise
our
taxes,
you
take
on
long-term
debt
or
you
can
leverage
the
developer
to
pay
for
it.
So
I
just
encourage
you
to
really
keep
that
in
mind.
You
know
it's
fun
to
go.
N
N
It's
a
tough
one
and
it's
exciting
for
me
to
see
you
guys
stick
with
it
opened
up
the
process,
that's
great,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
elected
all
of
you
to
actually
give
your
opinion
and
decide
and
I
know
it's
not
an
easy
task.
So
I
want
to
make
a
point
of
coming
out
here
today.
Just
to
say
thank
you
for
taking
that
on
all
right.
God
bless.
You
thank
you
mayor.
C
Thank
you
for
coming
today
and
joining
us
for
this
work
session.
That
means
a
lot
to
us.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming.
Anyone
else
like
to
speak
to
the
council
with
that
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
open
Forum.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
request
for
proposal
process
and
format
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
our
city
manager,
Felicia
Donnelly.
Thank
you
good.
O
Afternoon,
mayor
council,
the
purpose
of
today's
meeting
is
to
refine
the
city
council's
intent
for
the
RFP
document
and,
and
this
agenda
includes
very
important
conversations
that
that
relate
to
the
proposal
process,
the
proposal
elements
and
then
how
you're
going
to
evaluation,
how
you're
going
to
evaluate
the
submissions?
O
Having
said
that,
you
all
have
authorized
a
work
order
and
I
would
like
to
introduce
Laura,
Smith
and
Owen
betch
from
gai
Community
solutions
group,
and
they
will
facilitate
the
the
remaining
part
of
this
meeting.
So
thank
you.
P
Good
afternoon,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Dr
Owen
bich
I'm,
with
Laura
Smith
we're
both
from
gai
consultants
in
Orlando,
618,
East,
South,
Street,
Orlando
I
can
tell
you
from
the
beginning
that
the
two
of
us
having
been
involved
in
many
similar
efforts,
have
not
actually
met
with
a
commission
or
Council
to
discuss
the
requirements
of
their
specific
request
for
proposal.
P
So,
let's
start
by
acknowledging
the
official
commitment
to
the
process
involving
each
of
yourselves
as
elected
leaders
and
the
willingness
to
have
a
public
work
session
involving
members
of
the
community,
that
might
speak
to
specific
things
that
they
want
to
include
or
exclude.
So
thank
you
for
for
that
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
much
time
this
afternoon's
discussion
will
take.
We've
purposely
attempted
to
parse
it
out
into
distinct
topics
in
hopes
of
arriving,
at
least
at
a
Direction,
as
a
purposely
chosen
word.
P
That
may
not
mean
entirely
consensus
direction
to
be
distinguished
from
absolute
consensus
over
the
next
several
weeks,
approximately
four
to
five
weeks,
we're
going
to
be
drafting
a
request
for
proposal
in
part,
reflecting
your
guidance
that
we
hear
today,
reflecting
our
own
experience
and
producing
similar
documents
bringing
to
you,
hopefully
as
a
polished
draft,
to
get
your
acknowledgment
and
agreement
to
then
distribute
it
to
the
responders
that
were
selected
through
the
letter
of
interest
process,
then
allowing
them
a
certain
amount
of
time,
approximately
four
to
five
weeks
to
respond
with
more
detailed
information.
P
But
in
any
case,
let
me
try
to
give
you
an
overview
of
the
process
so
that
we
can
Focus
what
we
believe
is
your
time
on
probably
one
of
the
most
distinctly
important
issues
to
address
as
part
of
the
broader
solicitation
process.
P
I
want
to
introduce
one
caveat
that
I
learned
not
not
too
distantly
ago,
to
make
before
I
embark
on
any
presentation
by
notion
of
the
fact
that
this
is
a
presentation.
It
is
really
a
summary,
a
summary
of
a
process
that
is
about
to
unfold.
It
hasn't
yet
my
notion
of
it
being
a
summary.
P
So
I
start
with
that.
I
mentioned
the
timeline.
P
I
think
you're
going
to
find
that
by
the
time
you
have
your
next,
your
next
formal
meeting.
Our
draft
will
be
in
a
well-polished
state
in
part,
because
we
are
having
today's
discussion
and
it
will
have
been
submitted
to
the
city
and
the
city
staff
for
review
and
to
get
their
additional
comments.
P
I,
don't
think
in
many
ways
its
content
or
its
form
will
be
much
of
a
surprise
in
effect
by
Distributing.
The
letters
of
Interest
you've
already
alerted
the
community
generally
to
what
the
process
requires
of
the
respondents.
P
P
The
reason
you
have
shortened
it
down
to
five
respondents
was
a
in
hopes
that
one
of
those
five
would
be
so
outstanding
and
exceptional
that
perhaps
you
could
have
proceeded
to
further
negotiations
at
that
point.
Instead
of
one
that
was
clearly
exceptional,
you
got
five
very
good
proposals
in
a
preliminary
State,
suggesting
that
each
of
them
were
more
than
adequately
qualified
to
look
into
this
opportunity
in
more
detail.
P
A
common
tie
among
all
the
submissions
was
the
very
strong
interest.
A
common
deficiency
in
each
of
the
proposals
is
while
they
met
all
the
requirements
that
we
had
articulated.
All
of
them
had
a
slightly
different
vision
for
how
this
might
unfold,
and
the
purpose
then
of
the
RFP
is
really
to
elaborate
on
the
prior
content,
which
is
important
to
distinguish
now
among
the
parties
that
are
participating,
a
very
certain
understanding
about
how
each
firm,
individual
or
element
of
what
they
are
about
to
submit
to
you
in
a
second
round
of
more
form.
P
So
what
what
we
see
in
the
delivery
of
the
request
for
proposal
simply
is
an
expansion
of
a
process
that
you
already
started
and
again
to
emphasize
I
doubt
that
there
will
be
remarkable
surprises
in
terms
of
what's
what's
offered
up.
If
there
is
a
surprise,
I
would
say
it's
that
in
some
cases
we
actually
see
substantially
more
detail
and
more
information
that
enables
us
to
pick
and
choose
and
then
negotiate
among
the
options
that
are
on
the
table.
P
P
While
we
think
that
that
is
not
at
all
an
unreasonable
turnaround,
I
will
say
without
qualification
that
the
more
time
that
we
are
prepared
to
provide
to
complete
the
submission
process,
the
more
substantively
advanced
and
the
better
quality
of
the
submissions,
the
less
Challenge
and
difficulty,
perhaps
less
uncertainty,
you'll
have
in
any
subsequent
negotiation
process.
P
In
other
words,
this
is
one
of
those
situations
where
the
time
and
effort
excuse
me
that
you
invest
on
the
front,
assures
a
quicker
resolution
and
an
advancement
and
implementation
of
the
actual
development
itself,
which
I
think
is
really
at
the
end
of
the
day.
You
want
the
commitment
and
the
Assurance
of
a
start,
rather
than
just
a
a
continued
Pro,
prolonged
negotiation
process.
You
know
we
think
we
understand
how
to
make
that
occur,
and
the
content
of
our
request
for
proposal
is
intended
really
to
to
do
that.
P
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
want
to
decide
today.
It
isn't
a
pivotal
decision,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
decide
today.
I
would
like
to
hear
your
feedback
on,
even
if
we
don't
make
a
formal
decision
is
how
rigidly
or
strongly
do
you
feel
about
a
time
of
delivery
or
the
proposal
itself
from
the
respondents
and
I
think
what
I'm
saying
is
two
things
more
time
is
better.
Four
weeks
is
an
absolute
minimum.
It
can
be
accomplished
in
four
weeks.
P
I
prefer
a
little
more
time
and
we
can
discuss
with
the
words
a
little
more
time
means.
Let's
talk
about
what
some
of
the
common
elements
are
going
to
be
in
this
RFP
that
do
broaden
the
information
that
was
already
articulated
in
the
letter
of
interest.
P
We're
going
to
reaffirm
what
the
history
and
objective
is
of
this
process.
As
part
of
the
history
and
the
objectives,
we
are
going
to
be
exploring
the
fact
that
we
have
this
30
year
old
city
hall
across
the
street
I.
Guess
it's
a
concentrate.
That
way,
and
at
least
picking
up
on
some
of
the
conversation
that
we've
already
heard
this
afternoon.
Some
people
acknowledge
that
it
may
require
investment.
P
So
the
idea
here
is
is
try
to
eliminate
noise
and
static
and
have
all
our
respondents
by
answering
a
uniform
set
of
questions
and
responding
to
a
very
specific
and
uniform
set
of
criteria,
including
leaving
City
Hall
in
or
excluding
that
parcel.
There's
no
question:
we
are
comparing
carrots
to
carrots
and
like
carrots,
to
slice,
carrots
or
cook
carrots.
Even
it
is
a
uniform
and
consistent
measure
across
different
types
of
development
approaches.
P
The
key,
then,
is
resolving
whether
we
have
five
acres,
six
acres,
Seven
Acres.
You
know
whether
we're
prepared
to
abandon
rights
away
if
rights
away
are
involved
or
not
and
I.
Think
all
of
you
do
know
that
the
size
of
the
parcel
or
Parcels
that
can
be
activated
in
part
depend
on
what
the
requirements
of
City
Hall
May
really
be.
P
P
P
If
you
were
to
buy
a
house-
and
perhaps
it's
possible
that
some
of
you
involved
in
commercial,
real
estate
I,
don't
know
your
individual
background.
But
if
you
were
to
buy
a
house,
you
would
stipulate
a
closing
day
with
the
expectation
you
have
a
home
inspector.
Maybe
other
professionals
look
at
the
property
to
decide
if,
if
the
physical
condition
of
the
asset
was
one
that
you
wanted
to
ultimately
pay
for
and
then
close
the
intent
in
this
due
diligence
package.
P
If
you
were
selling
your
home
would
be
to
provide
as
much
of
that
information
to
the
prospective
buyer
as
possible.
To
wit,
you
would
have
had
your
own
home
inspection
buy
a
third
party
independent
contractor.
You
would
have
all
the
home,
warranties
and
all
the
appliances.
You
would
have
a
survey,
and
perhaps
a
ready
title
so
that
this
party
could
see
the
full
extent
of
what
in
fact
may
be
purchased.
P
That's
a
little
more
trouble
than
most
homeowners
actually
go
to
when
they
sell
their
home,
but
even
that
advances
or
potentially
advances
the
closing
process
hear
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
be
providing
surveys,
Environmental,
Studies,
additional
copies
of
whatever
regulatory
controls.
Obviously,
the
minutes
of
these
meetings,
where
you're,
officially
on
the
record
of
saying
things,
are
acceptable
or
not
become
a
part
of
that
due
diligence
process,
so
that
somewhere
along
the
way,
as
the
proposals
are
being
prepared
by
the
respondents
as
much
as
we
can
plausibly
anticipate,
is
addressed
in
advance.
P
We
want
to
delay
the
need
for
any
particular
respondent
to
request
subsequent
information.
Now.
Does
that
mean
you
should
go
through
extra
expense
to
prepare
certain
things?
Some
of
them
will
be
your
obligations
and
sellers
to
provide
regardless
some
of
the
things
might
be
optional.
You
know,
based
on
convention
or
the
requirements
of
the
marketplace
bottom
line.
Is
we
certainly
expect
you
to
meet?
P
What
will
be
your
legal
requirements
to
close,
and
we
expect
you
to
provide
all
the
the
typical
things
that
would
be
in
a
difficult,
typical,
due
diligence
package
that
are
within
your
control
to
have
those
delivered
with
the
request
for
proposal
and
we've
been
working
with
your
city
manager.
To
assure
that.
P
P
P
So,
among
the
things
that
will
be
outlined
in
the
request
for
proposal,
which
was
just
touched
upon
very
nominally
in
the
letter
of
interest,
is
some
very
explicit
instruction
about
the
consideration
of
city
hall,
for
example,
being
in
or
not
being
in
the
in
in
the
process.
Whether
or
not
infrastructure
itself
is
available
to
the
extent
we
deem
the
developer
or
the
respondents
that
are
acting
on
this
request
for
proposal.
What
will
be
their
financial
responsibilities
as
part
of
this
effort
and
not
the
city
and
I,
think
our
position
at
the
moment.
P
As
we
understand
it
is
fundamentally
other
than
the
collection
of
the
normally
responsible
data
to
pursue
an
ultimate
closing
of
the
property
in
the
transaction
is
we
are
expecting
the
developers
to
carry
all
the
costs
of
acquisition
and
development,
and
it
seems
unlikely
to
us
that
there
will
be
other
unknown
or
unanticipated
costs
that
we
should
experience.
So
that
will
be
among
the
things
that
are
clearly
articulated
in
the
request
for
proposal
that
I,
don't
think,
had
been
absolutely
identified
in
the
in
the
LOI.
P
The
process
that
we
anticipate
aside
from
the
Thematic
collection
of
all
this
data
is
the
following:
we'll
have
a
uniform
set
of
criteria
for
evaluating
each
of
the
submissions.
That's
going
to
be
a
ladder.
Point
I
want
to
turn
to
in
a
few
minutes,
because,
ultimately,
we
have
to
have
a
rubric
by
which
we
choose
a
preferred
developer
and
we
make
a
decision
about
how
we
want
to
negotiate.
P
We
envision
a
process
where
the
criteria
come
largely
out
of
today's
discussion
and
the
emphasis
on
that
criteria
and
its
waiting
will
have
a
lot
to
do
with
how
proposals
are
evaluated.
So
you
have
substantive
influence.
Maybe
not
on
the
proposals
themselves,
but
on
shaping
the
proposals
and
identifying
the
factors
that
you
believe
require
perhaps
disproportionate
waiting
in
the
actual
selection
and
then
negotiation
process
to
revine
to
refine.
P
What
we
anticipate
ultimately
is
is
that,
depending
on
how
important
the
price
is
versus
the
actual
content
of
the
submission
that
the
price
itself
may
be
delivered
in
a
separate
sealed
envelope,
if,
in
fact,
the
plan
and
the
emphasis
on
the
team
is
far
more
important
than
the
price,
there
are
reasons
to
do
that
we'll
explore
those
in
a
few
minutes,
once
we
have
chosen
our
selected
respondent.
P
Typically,
we
would
require
them
to
bind
the
agreement
with
some
amount
of
money.
We
would
require
that
that
amount
of
money
actually
be
submitted
with
the
proposal
itself.
P
We
want
to
assure
that
those
participating
in
this
process
understand
that
there
is
at
least
a
minimal
Financial
barrier
that
must
be
satisfied
and
that
you,
as
a
local
community
and
a
government,
are
not
prepared
to
expend
additional
time
and
effort
without
at
least
satisfying
this
nominal
and
minimal
Financial
barrier.
The
exact
amount
of
money
will
be
a
a
strategic
issue
to
decide.
I,
don't
know
that
we
will
need
to
discuss
that
today,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
agree
that
some
form
of
financial
consideration
accompanying
The
Proposal
is
probably
important.
P
One
other
reason,
aside
from
demonstrating
a
true
commitment
to
the
process,
is
demonstrating
a
commitment
to
the
timing
of
the
process,
just
as
in
your
earnest
money
would
be
recouped
or
lost
in
a
specific
amount
of
time.
If
you're
buying
a
home,
we
anticipate
putting
a
Time
stipulation
on
any
money.
That's
delivered
with
a
proposal
again
whether
it's
a
nominal
amount
of
money,
I
think
is
not
the
issue
for
today's
discussion.
It's
just
that.
P
P
What
we're
going
to
be
doing
once
we
receive
the
proposals
is
the
following
is
it?
It
is
disappoints
me
to
say
this
a
little
bit.
P
Two
of
the
most
important
parts
of
this
process
are
not
just
the
proposal.
The
Proposal
focuses
on
the
plan
and
what
you
as
the
community
want.
The
second
aspect
is
substantively
more
complicated.
That's
actually
reaching
a
closure
and
a
final
commitment
which
will
focus
then
on
two
documents:
it'll
focus
on
a
typical
form
contract
which
the
city
may
have
and,
if
not
I'm
sure
your
attorney
congrat
draft
for
this
purpose
for
the
sale
agreement
itself.
P
P
Thank
you,
I.
Think.
A
point
of
policy
that
we
would
recommend,
which
was
certainly
not
laid
out
in
the
letter
of
interest
it
could
affect
the
time
frame,
is
that
each
party
that
puts
a
proposal
together
creates
a
specific
legal
entity,
the
nature
of
which
we
do
not
care,
but
that
legal
entity
is
going
to
be
the
representative
agent
or
party
for
the
submission
or
submissions
that
you
will
receive
and
the
reason
we
believe
that
that's
important
is
because,
at
the
moment,
as
outlined
in
the
Lois,
we
just
have
a
loose
of
Confederation
or
Association.
P
We're
not
entirely
sure
at
the
moment
what
length
of
time
may
be
required
to
do
that
if
we
stay
at
a
four
week,
delivery
date
for
the
proposal
that
potentially
is
a
little
tight.
Is
it
necessary
that
we
do
that?
No,
it's
not
we're
saying
it's
a
strategy
and
a
process
that
we
recommend,
rather
than
having
to
push
off
on
and
negotiate
later,
it's
one
of
those
small
tidying
up
things
we
can
do
in
advance.
P
It
does
cause
the
potential
respondent,
some
amount
of
money,
but
it's
it's
not
or
shouldn't
be.
Let's
put
it
this
way
that
shouldn't
be
a
cost
barrier
that
that
threatens
any
respondents,
since
I
am
talking
about
cost
I
do
want
to
interject
this.
P
P
P
We
believe
that
we'll
articulate
when
it
comes
to
it
an
amount
of
money
that
is
probably
appropriate
as
consideration
to
submit
with
the
proposals
yet
to
be
determined,
but
we
will
want
to
get
the
barrier
High.
We
don't
want
to
keep
the
barrier,
maybe
beyond
that
of
Olympic
jumper.
We
don't
think
that's
necessary
at
that
stage,
and
we
hope
that
what
we
recommend
in
this
process
at
least
resonates
with
your
level
of
stewardship
and
obligation,
as
elected
leaders,.
P
P
We
want
this
question
and
answer
period
to
be
available
to
all
the
participants.
We
want
it
to
be
as
open
as
possible
and
what
we
had
anticipated
is.
It
would
be
fairly
early
in
the
process
and
yet
it
doesn't
necessarily
close
out
later
questions
that
may
emerge
as
the
developers
actually
organize
their
process.
So
there's
an
argument
to
be
made
in
that
timeline
that
even
perhaps
two
question
and
answer
sessions
are
appropriate,
one
which
provides
the
initial
reaction
to
the
actual
RFP
another.
P
P
P
I
think
this
will
be
a
good
deal
longer
than
that,
but
in
my
particular
interest
of
assuring
that
we
don't
create
barriers,
we
will
hope
to
call
anything
but
the
most
necessary
legal
requirements
of
your
procurement
process
and
the
specific
submission
requirements
that
that
we're
going
to
articulate,
for
example,
one
of
the
things
that
that
might
be
asked
and
is
often
asked
is:
can
you
provide
Financial
references?
P
I
think
that's
a
very
reasonable
question
right
on
its
face.
Why
would
you
debate
that,
in
reality,
if
we're
requiring
all
of
these
entities
to
create
a
new
entity,
that
then
represents
the
totality
of
the
effort
for
a
specific
team.
There
won't
be
any
Financial
references
and
we
will
have
to
make
a
decision
as
kind
of
a
matter
of
due
diligence
on
our
part,
whether
we're
going
to
solicit
Financial
references
from
the
individual
firms
that
may
make
up
the
entity,
but
those
are
the
things
that
would
normally
happen
without
question
and
debate.
P
P
The
answer
is
not
why
not?
The
answer
is
why
the
question
is:
why
are
we
doing
this
in
order
to
assure
it
I
I
think
I
did
Overlook
an
important
point,
partly
along
the
way,
or
at
least
very
early
in
your
process.
You
articulated
a
very
public
vision
and
set
of
objectives,
I
believe
I'm
redundant
in
saying
this
RFP
process
is
trying
to
stay
true
to
that
I'm
sure
everyone
won't
fully
agree
with
that.
But
I
know
that
from
our
standpoint,
that
is
clearly
the
the
out
front
intent
to
do.
P
P
That
we
will
take
into
consideration
based
on
comment
cards
or
a
process
to
be
fully
defined.
That
will
reflect
and
be
incorporated
in
our
own
individual
reviews,
so
it
will
have
a
an
effect
as
developers
provide
questions
or
comments
to
those
around
them.
P
We
hope
you'll
be
in
circulation,
we'll
be
in
circulation
to
hear
some
of
that
information,
it
won't
form
its
own
set
of
criteria,
because
these
these
reactions
are
largely
subjective,
largely
associated
with
those
that
are
present,
but
they
will
be
acknowledged
by
us
in
some
way
as
part
of
the
review
process.
P
I
believe,
in
general
terms,
that
describes
the
document
where
we
want
to
go
with
the
document
in
the
four
or
five
weeks
that
it's
outstanding
well
I.
Think
generally,
it
conforms
as
I
say
to
the
LOI
in
terms
of
the
stuff
that's
submitted,
but
in
more
detail
it
explains
what
staff
gai
and
you,
if
you're,
adversely
a
astutely
curious,
want
to
participate
and
follow
on
I'm
sure
you'll
be
in
touch
with
Felicia,
who
will
keep
monitoring
our
process
piggies
in
some
City
Hall,
no
City,
Hall
possible,
inclusions
or
exclusions.
P
Q
Hi
Laura
Smith-
you
all
have
met
me
before
at
this
point,
so
I
actually
don't
have
much
to
add
to
what
Owen
outlined
the
one
thing
I
would
mention
is,
of
course
you
know
you
all
have
your
own
requirements
for
disposition
of
property.
You
have
procurement
requirements,
things
like
that
that
are
built
into
your
Charter,
your
code,
all
of
those
things
those
have
to
be
folded
into
this
process.
Q
Let's
see
the
only
other
thing
is
there
will
be.
You
know
your
standard
contract
mechanisms,
I
think
Owen
spoke
to
development
agreement
to
an
extent
that
there
will
be
some
sort
of
an
agreement,
that's
going
to
have
to
be
drafted
and
how
much
of
that
is
or
is
not
included
in
the
RFP
will
be
stipulated
by
your
procurement
requirements
and
other
code
requirements.
Q
But
for
the
moment,
I
think
that
covers
most
of
our
process,
the
RFP
itself
in
terms
of
content,
and
then
we
can
start
rolling
into
our
individual
discussion
topics,
but
I
think
before
we
get
into
the
discussion
topics
we
have
laid
out
in
the
agenda.
You
covered
three
things:
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
that
we
need
to
build
consensus
on
before
we
get
into
our
kind
of
big
item
discussion,
topics
which
I
know
Felicia's.
Also
gotten
some
questions
from
you
all
and
she's
provided
answers
to
some
of
those
and
I'm
sure.
Q
You
may
have
follow-ups
that
you're
looking
for
clarification
on
for
some
of
those
in
the
event
that
that's
necessary.
So
the
first
thing
would
be
the
Financial
contribution
at
time
of
submittal,
so
I
know,
Owen
talked
about
the
some
sort
of
essentially
commitment
financially
at
time
that
the
RFP
responses
are
submitted.
So
you
have
five
folks
that
you're
going
to
be
sending
this
out
to
assuming
all
five
respond,
that
they
would
make
some
sort
of
financial
contribution
or
commitment
to
the
city
at
such
time
as
they
submit
their
proposal
back
to
you.
Q
So
I
think
the
question.
Now,
though,
I
don't
think
we
want
to
get
into
what
that
number
is
today,
because
again,
as
Owen
said,
I
think
we
have
some
thought
we
want
to
have
on
that
in
terms
of
really
what's
manageable
and
the
extent
to
which
that's
possible
to
achieve
inside
your
own
accounting,
firm
and
practices
and
we'll
get
with
Felicia
on
that
and
come
up
with
what
an
appropriate
figure
is
that
stays
within
that
range.
Q
C
P
Simple
answer
is
yes,
there
are
other
numbers.
The
more
complicated
answer
is
their
situations
were
very
different
at
the
risk
of
actually
entering
this
into
the
public
record.
Some
of
the
numbers
were
simply
artifacts
of
convenience.
P
The
largest
that
I
personally
have
been
a
party
to
I
think
was
250
000,
but
it
was
also
a
significant
multi-million
dollar
transaction.
Well,
I
think,
let's
talk
about
what
the
intent
is.
The
intent
is
that
it's
more
than
the
money
you
have
sitting
in
the
ashtray
of
your
car,
it's
much
bigger
than
a
bread
box.
It's
smaller
than
a
car
I
mean
it's
enough
to
seriously
invoke.
P
Do
we
as
developers?
Do
we
have
an
interest
in
this
project
and
we
have
a
serious
enough
interest
in
this
project
to
meet
a
deadline
at
which
point
this
money
is
now
no
longer
just
the
cost
of
doing
business,
I
would
say
potentially
from
from
others,
it's
been
as
low
as
five
thousand
dollars,
I've
seen
25
and
50
000
dollars
so
again
at
the
risk
of
making
a
joke.
It's
significantly
more
than
just
casual
pocket
change,
but
it
should
be
no
more.
P
L
Thank
you
mayor,
just
a
quick
question
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
not
so
much
the
amount,
but
how
often
do
you
see
such
a
a
requirement
for
that
money
in
a
public-private
partnership
versus
a
private
development
deal?
Is
that
a
common
practice
for
both?
Does
it
change
the
appetite
of
the
developer
when
entering
into
a
public-private
partnership?
Well,.
P
D
P
We
have
what
we
call
earnest
money,
which
is
I'm,
not
sure
that
that
it's
all
fully
fulfilled
by
what
I'm
describing
earnest
money
is
that
we
do
intend
to
close-
and
this
is
our
initial
deposit
on
the
house
and
in
the
standard
brokerage
contract
that
would
typically
be
non-refundable
or
refundable
at
the
owner's
option,
not
at
the
submitters
option
here.
I
think
we're
following
a
at
least
in
my
mind,
we're
following
a
a
modified
earnest
money
proposal
in
which
you
know
we're
going
to
be
sensitive
to
the
situation.
P
We
are
going
to
make
it
clear
that
there's
a
date
by
which
we
expect
things
to
be
performed
and
I
think
the
reason
we
have
to
be
a
little
bit
flexible
is
because
we
have
to
perform
so
back
to
you
know,
do
are
we
sensitive
stewards,
I,
think
the
burdens
we
impose
on
the
responders
are
partly
shared
by
us
and
we
have
obligations.
P
P
Maybe
we're
required
to
provide
a
survey
by
a
certain
date
that
that
date
comes
and
goes
that
becomes
a
possible
out
for
the
person
that
provided
the
earnest
money
and
maybe
you're
satisfied
with
that
out
for
different
reasons
and
you've
decided
yeah
you're
fine
with
that
I
hope
that
answers
your
question,
but
the
idea
is
is
that
it
would
be
credited
against
whatever
the
purchase
price
might
really
be.
So
it's
not
just
an
added
charge.
It
says:
hey
we're
serious.
We
want
to
move
ahead.
Okay,.
E
C
Certainly
not
to
all
okay
good
well,
the
the
thing
I
would
like
to
suggest:
I
think
that
the
actual
amount
of
the
deposit
that
were
I
mean
if
we
have
consensus
I,
think
you
should
you
guys
should
work
with
the
city
manager
and
the
city,
staff
and
I
think
they
should
come
back
to
us.
I
mean.
Does
everyone
agree
with
that?
Is
that,
okay,
that
you
work
that
out
and
then
we'll
discuss
the
deposit
at
another
time?
The
amount?
Would
you
be
asking
well
I.
H
P
P
No
glad
you
brought
that
up,
no,
no,
no,
no!
No.
What
what
would
happen
is
was
on
the
premise
that
they're
rendering
them
they're
all
five
non-refundable
when
we
Rank
and
choose
to
negotiate
with
that
one
party.
Now
we
immediately
start
that
clock
ticking
with
that
one,
the
others
are
returned.
So
thank
you
selected
developer
and,
if
that's
what
you
meant
yeah.
I
P
That
could
be
a
barrier
could
be
right,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
would
be
either
I
haven't
tested
that
proposition,
but
that's
not
the
intention.
Okay,
do.
C
We
want
to
discuss
timeline,
he
mentioned
a
four-week
process
for
the
timeline
which
be
the
end
of
January.
You
also
mentioned
you
wanted
to
increase.
That
timeline,
maybe
give
the
proposals
more
time.
C
L
Also
I'm
happy
to
start
I
think
it
is
important
to
have
some
kind
of
deposit
I,
think
it
signals
a
commitment
on
both
sides.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
see
a
developer
come
to
the
city
with
something
that's
all
about
us
and
not
just
all
about
them.
L
They
want
to
see
a
commitment
to
to
create
something,
that's
for
this
entire
community
and
not
just
a
way
for
them
to
translate
land
into
dollars.
For
them.
It
has
to
be
a
collaborative
process
and
I
think
our
citizens
have
shown
us,
especially
in
the
past
year,
that
they
are
interested
in
collaborating
those
q,
a
sessions,
those
open
houses,
I.
Think
our
city
has
made
an
extensive
effort
to
encourage
that
public
participation.
L
We
recently
approved
a
public
participation
plan
and
I
think
we
should
make
every
effort
to
honor
that
and
let
the
other
side
know
through
our
mutual
commitment
that
we
you
know
once
we
choose
you,
we
intend
to
go
the
distance.
We
want
to
make
it
clear
that
this
is
what
we're
requiring
of
you,
and
if
you
can't
abide
by
that,
then
then
there
will
be.
You
know,
for
example,
a
consequence
we
had
a
prior
developer
and
and
you're
right.
The
more
you
may
clear
on
the
front
end
the
less
confusion.
L
On
the
back
end,
we
had
a
prior
negotiation
kind
of
fall
apart
because
something
fell
apart
on
the
back
end
that
wasn't
clear
or
was
misinterpreted
purposefully.
It's
it's
not.
It
doesn't
matter
now,
but
we
want
to
get
it
right.
This
time
and
I
think
that
is
a
proper
mechanism
according
to
Industry
standards.
In
order
to
do
it,
councilmember.
C
B
Thank
you,
mayor
I'm,
also
in
favor
of
requiring
considerations
for
all
of
the
submitters,
and
definitely
would
like
to
stress
that
we
don't
create
a
barrier
where
we
suddenly
start
filtering
down
to
four
or
three.
So
that's
something
for
you.
B
Be
determined
but
to
keep
in
mind
because
I
don't
think
we
want
that
to
be
the
sole
means
of
of
now
we're
down
to
four
or
three
right.
We
want
other
means
or
really
all
five
to
give
back
to
us
in
order
to,
as
well
as
the
community
to
say,
here's
what's
out
there,
here's
here's
your
five
choices.
Thank.
M
H
C
C
Q
All
right
so
then,
the
next
topic
would
be
the
creation
of
a
legal
entity
specific
to
the
project
to
be
identified
in
The
Proposal.
So
that
would
say
that
you
know
oftentimes.
These
type
of
projects
are
going
to
have
a
team.
It's
not
just
going
to
be
one
company,
one
entity,
one
organization:
it's
usually
going
to
be
some
sort
of
a
teamed
effort,
and
you
know
you've
got
five
people
responding,
there's
a
good
chance.
Q
The
majority
of
them
are
going
to
be
a
team
of
multiple
Specialties
and
multiple
entities,
so
in
creating
that
unique
legal
entity
for
this
project,
which
is
ultimately
who
will
be
signing
off
and
submitting,
they
would
also
then
become
your
direct
point
of
contact
point
of
negotiation
going
forward.
So
the
drawback
to
that
as
Owen
mentioned,
is
then,
if
you
did
want
to
get
some
sort
of
financial
references
for
that
entity,
because
it's
newly
created
there
would
be
no
Financial
history
for
them.
Q
L
Ahead,
thank
you
mayor.
If
we
required
a
performance
bond,
would
the
bond
be
secured
in
the
name
of
this
individual
entity
or
would
it
be
backed
by
do
you
know
what
I'm
saying?
In
other
words,
could
we
obtain
those
financial
reassurances
because,
like
I
read
the
statute
right
so,
okay,
we
shall
consider
all
such
Redevelopment
or
Rehabilitation
proposals
and
the
financial
and
legal
ability
of
the
persons
making
such
proposals
to
carry
them
out
so
I'm
thinking
right
away.
We
just
had
some
negotiations
for
the
library
site
right.
L
Q
So
I
know
and
Felicia
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
have
a
bonding
obligation
already
in
your
code,
correct.
O
No,
we
do
not
have
it
in
the
code,
but
we
have.
It
is
a
requirement
for
the
upcoming
development
agreement.
Okay,.
L
P
D
P
Not
what
we're
talking
about
here
and
and
I
think
what
we're
also
saying
is
that
this
entity
is
responsible
for
seeing
all
of
these
pieces
pulled
together
right
because
you,
you
are
not
going
to
be
negotiating
a
bomb
with
the
contractor
you're
not
going
to
be
negotiating
a
bomb
with
the
architect,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
right.
That's
not
your
business
right
and
the
spokesperson
for
this
group
that.
D
P
Their
responsibility-
and
this
is
when
you
start
to
say,
hey
one
of
you-
is
the
spokesperson
for
this
group
somebody's
going
to
sign
this
development
agreement.
Somebody
buying
the
property
I,
don't
want
to
say
that
it's
just
a
layover
and
secure
I.
Don't
know
that
that's
going
to
happen,
but
this
is
a
normal
and
customary
and
I
think
an
important
part
of
the
process
right.
L
You
know
if
these
come
along
with
the
the
resumes
and
then
okay.
Well
did
you
actually
do
this,
or
is
this
just
something
that
you
design
when
you
get
these
Court
kind
of
submittals
from
a
group
of
Architects
and
developers,
and-
and
you
know
it
is
a
conglomerate
that
can
help-
you
know-
be
narrowed
by
by
that
one
entity,
but
when
you
know
when
we
have
that
entity
that
now
has
less
than
what
we
even
have
in
here,
sometimes
is
there
a
danger
to
that?
What's
your
experience.
Q
Well,
you
still
have
your
teaming.
Those
teams
still
exist,
but
they're
all
agreeing
to
basically
have
this
umbrella
entity.
That's
going
to
act
as
the
singular
point
on
the
project.
They're
still
gonna,
you're
still
gonna
get
examples
of
past
projects.
Just
like
that.
The
one
thing
you
know
we
did
run
into
with
the
LOI
was
a
question
of
well.
What
role
did
they
play
in
these
projects?
Right?
That
would
be
far
more
specifically
laid
out
as
to
exactly
the
way
that
they
need
to
describe
the
project.
What
their
responsibility
was,
what
their
role
was.
Q
You
know
when
they
began
with
it,
whether
it's
completed
it's
current
stage
of
completion,
it's
funding
strategy,
all
of
those
things
are
going
to
be
much
more
detailed
in
the
RFP.
The
reason
that
they
were
so
kind
of
General
in
the
LOI
was
because
it
is
a
less
specific
process.
Okay,
so
yes,
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we
know
for
sure
and
I
think
it's
even
in
our
list
today,
as
a
topic
is
the
requirements
of
the
team
and
prior
experience.
Q
Q
Q
I
didn't
design
it
I
didn't
build
it.
I
didn't
bring
it
to
Market,
but
I
dealt
with
the
land
rights
on
it.
You
know
those
are
things
we
want
to
avoid.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
played
a
substantial
role
in
the
full
development
of
those
projects
that
they
give
as
examples
of
experience,
considering.
B
I
agree
with
that,
but
just
trying
to
play
Devil's
Advocate
a
little
bit,
you
kind
of
laid
out
the
positives
and
potential
drawbacks
for
requiring
it.
What
would
there
be
any
benefit
or
not
or
the
drawbacks?
I
know
you
kind
of
pointed
out,
there's
not
that
single
person
that
can
sign
and
kind
of
speak
on
behalf
is
there
anything
else
that
we
should
be
aware
of
as
that
that
being
the
alternative.
Q
I
mean
I
think
you
may
get
into
sort
of
a
a
group
negotiation
which
is
probably
something
you
want
to
avoid.
You'd
rather
have
one-on-one
conversations,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
having
three
or
four
principles
from
three
or
four
firms
participating
in
that
discussion.
So
you
want
to
have
the
the
singular
point,
and
this
kind
of
does
that
in
a
way
that
prevents
any
bleed
over
or
potential
Corruption
of
that
method.
Okay,.
Q
Whenever
you
deal
with
situations
where
a
firm
just
spent,
depending
on
the
level
of
the
number
of
employees,
of
a
firm
that
those
could
have
some
change
over
and
and
turn
over
and
things
like
that,
you
want
to
avoid
that,
and
so
this
creating
the
specialized
entity
with
the
specialized
person
for
that
entity
and
helps
you
kind
of
control
that,
because
the
negotiation
process
is
not
going
to
be
done
in
a
day
or
a
week,
it's
it's
going
to
be
timely.
Sure.
F
Yes,
absolutely
I'm,
really
not
suggesting
that
you
go
down
this
path
of
creating
a
new
entity
for
the
purposes
of
doing
this
project.
Any
entity
that
is
going
to
be
responding
to
the
request
proposal
is
going
to
have
a
significant
interest
in
moving
forward
in
their
own
name
if
they
have
different
contractors
or
Architects
working
underneath
them.
That's
that's
an
issue
with
them
you're
going
to
be
dealing
with
one
entity.
You
don't
want
an
entity
that
is
just
a
shell.
That's
just
created
for
the
purpose
of
this
project.
F
You
have
no
one
to
look
to
because
there
are
no
assets
in
that
shell
Corporation,
so
I
would
really
suggest
that
we
go
down
the
same
path
as
we've
done
before
in
these
Downtown
Development
projects,
and
that
is
is
to
work
with
the
individual
or
the
corporation
or
the
entity
that
is
responding
to
the
proposal
they're
going
to
have
sufficient
enough
assets
to
move
forward.
I'm
really
concerned
that
you
know
that
you
rely
upon
the
creation
of
this
shell
Corporation,
there's
nothing
there
when
you
need
to
you
need
to.
F
C
P
I'm
not
going
to
debate
your
City
attorney
I
mean.
Obviously
he
has
a
superior
position
here.
So
this
is
not
about
that
I'm,
not
even
going
to
disagree
with
it.
I
think
that
is
certainly
one
of
the
downsides.
I
think
the
similar
downside,
which
I
would
like
to
hear
him,
comment
on
and
express
absolutely
and
I
think
he's
already
addressed
it.
P
Is
we
want
absolute
Crystal
clarity
that
whoever
signs
this
submission
is
the
spokesperson
and
legally
responsible
party
that
we
are
negotiating
with
and
if
city
council
thinks
City
attorney
thinks
we
can
do
that
then
I
I'm,
fine
with
that
I
think
we're.
We
share
the
same
objective,
even
if
we
may
have
different
opinions
on
how
it
would
unfold.
Okay,.
H
P
I
think
city
council
would
would
already
suggest
that
it's
about
scoring
priority
I
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
an
opinion.
I
think
you
might
want
to
ask
him.
I
I
feel,
like
anything
that
eventually
becomes
an
option.
Here
is
something
you're
going
to
have
to
negotiate.
If
you
said
we're
going
to
do
it
within
30
days,
for
the
sake
of
discussion
after
you've
been
selected,
I'm
not
happy
with
that
I'd
rather
have
Crystal
certainty
that
the
person
submitting
The
Proposal
on
day,
one
whoever
he
she
or
it
is
a
person
assuming
responsibility.
P
E
So
what
you're
saying
is
we
go
through
this?
When
we
go
into
the
development
agreement
process,
we
choose
the
RFP,
we
go
in
the
development
agreement
process.
We
get
into
that
process.
If
there's
entity
exists,
Felicia
is
negotiating
with
one
person.
If
it
doesn't
exist,
she's
negotiating
with
we
don't
know
how
many.
L
It's
really
played
out
like
that,
though,
because
it
seems
like
with
the
library
project,
for
example,
like
there
was
Devin
rushnell
LLC
I'm
sure
that
was
created
for
the
purpose
of
submitting
the
library
project.
I,
don't
know
that,
but
then
it
was
very
clear.
I
I
mean
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
city
manager,
but
it
was
very
clear
with
whom
she
was
actually
negotiating.
O
That's
correct
and-
and
it
has
been
our
experience
and
in
my
six
year
tenure
with
the
other
proposals
that
we
have
received,
that
that
there
was
a
a
legal
entity
that
took
the
lead
on
the
projects
and
then
the
other
ones
were
sub-consultants
to
that.
P
With
all
due
respect
to
city
council,
again,
I
am
not
debating
with
him
I'm,
just
sharing
a
different
I'm,
not
even
sure
it's
different
I'm
hearing
a
point
of
view
is
we're
trying
to
get
to
that
point
in
advance
of
it
occurring
after
the
fact
and
and
if
legal
accountable
thinks
that
that
will
be
perhaps
certain
event
and
I'm
fine
with
that
I
defer
to
him
totally
but
I
think
our
mission
is
to
be
sure
where
we
have
this
single
point
and,
in
effect,
everybody's
acting
as
a
subconsultant
to
that
entity.
All.
M
I
I
didn't
quite
understand
creating
an
LLC
or,
however,
it
would
be
a
corporation
and
as
councilmember
Gannon
had
alluded
to,
you
can
do
that
pretty
quick,
and
so
we
you'd
have
a
direct
flight
of
contact,
but
you
know
I
see
it
all
the
time
you
know
where
condominium
unit,
12,
LLC
well,
I
wonder
what
condo
unit
they
were
going
to
buy
like
it's
this
you
just
created
you
buy
it,
that's
how
it
goes.
M
I
haven't
the
experience
that
we've
had
over
the
last.
You
know
since
I've
been
on
Council
last
couple
of
years.
M
There's
been
points
of
contact,
so
I,
don't
I
see
what
you're
saying
and
there
might
be
too
many
chefs
in
the
kitchen,
but
I've,
never
I,
don't
see
how
that's
going
to
raise
to
a
Monumental
issue,
you're
negotiating
specifically
generally
with
one
person
or
party,
or
they
have
a
legal
entity
set
up.
They
generally
have
their
teams
in
place.
From
my
experience,
so
there
was
a
little
bit.
I
was
caught
off
guard,
so
I.
M
H
A
D
H
C
Going
to
agree
with
our
legal
counsel
and
go
with
what
what
Tom
has
recommended
for
for
us
and
does
anybody
else
want
to
chime
in
on
that
I.
P
Bearing
in
mind
I,
don't
think
this
is
inconsistent
with
any
points
of
view.
A
check
is
going
to
accompany
this
proposal
and
somebody
to
be
signing
that
check
and
my
presumption
at
the
moment
is
the
person
or
company
signing
that
check
is
this
person,
and
you
know
we
want
to
assure
that
that
continues
to
be
that
person
so.
Q
P
P
I
will
say
that
our
experience
has
been
is
prior
experience
in
funding.
Anything
is
as
important
if
not
more
important
than
financial
referencing
I
will
also
tell
you
Financial
references
need
to
be
pursued.
That
is
not
a
part
of
our
scope,
because
we
can't
assume
the
financial
liability
of
saying
we
validated
their
financial
condition.
P
So
you
know
the
the
main
issue
here
is
getting
release
and
permission
and
part
of
the
RFP
would
be
the
forms
to
do
that
which
we
have
zero
problem
with
following
up
to
see.
If
various
parties
that
are
identified
in
this
arrangement
are
those
you
want
to
do
business
with
now,
frankly,
I
consider
it
kind
of
a
it
strikes
me
as
one
of
those
things
when
if
I
were
sitting
where
you
are
I'm
going
well,
of
course,
I
want
Financial
references
I
get
that,
so
this
isn't
an
attempt
to
diminish
that
it's
a
can.
P
On
a
quick
turnaround
and
how
much
Reliance
you
want
to
put
on
that,
so
we
do
intend
to
really
drill
down
on
prior
financial
performance,
and
there
may
be
something
that
you
feel
like
you
want
us
to
investigate
on
that.
Okay,.
L
I'm
curious
as
to
Felicia
and
Tom's
experience
with
this,
my
inclination
is
yeah.
I
want
to
see
your
finances
I
want
to
see
as
much
as
you
can
show
me.
I'm
responsible
to
the
people
who
have
elected
me.
D
H
O
We
could
just
another
Viewpoint
just
to
provide
you
an
alternative
to
to
how
it
could
be
done
is
that
you
could
ask
for
financial
references
at
the
time
that
you
rank
them
just
to
to
caution
about
if
that
might
become
a
barrier
to
submitting
a
proposal.
P
P
P
Can
I
put
this
in
sort
of
a
contact?
Sure
I
can't
say
that
it
is
a
total
non-starter
I
want
to
be
clear,
I
think
what
would
be
a
total
on
start
again.
Choice
of
words
is
important
is
if
we
said
for
the
sake
of
discussion,
you
need
to
provide
certified
audited
financial
statements.
This
is
like
I
would
never
ask
for
audited
financial
statements
for
two
reasons
is
they
aren't
going
to
provide
them
and
most
people
don't
have
audited
financial
statements,
so
it's
sort
of
like
yeah.
P
This
starts
to
stray
into
that
and
in
Florida
you
know
the
these
are
things
that
or
can
be
considered
intensely
circumspect
to
the
business
of
the
providers,
so
I
I
think
what
you'd
want
to
work
with.
If
you
chose
to
do
it
is
something
upon
selection
before
we
even
before
we
cash
their
check.
Perhaps
okay.
C
Customer
again,
our
happy
anything
else.
F
C
E
E
M
P
If
I
made
one
of
the
comments,
I
I
want
to
distinguish,
I
mean
I'm
agreeing
with
the
conversation,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
full
disclosure
there's
two
different
levels
of
financial
activity
occurring
here.
Right,
there's
a
can:
they
actually
buy
your
property,
they
have
enough
money
to
buy
your
property,
that's
one
activity
which
is
not
to
be
confused
with
the
whole
activity.
P
On
top
of
that
property,
that's
a
totally
different
set
of
exercises,
and
you
know
we
have
to
figure
out
now
whether
we
need
to
deal
with
one
or
both
and
in
part
of
that
signatory
process.
The
person
submitting
The
Proposal
is
representing
that
all
of
these
Financial
Resources
through
their
their
Alliance.
If
you
will,
their
Association
of
firms,
is
going
to
be
able
to
produce
that
right.
P
Build
right
so
that
that's
one
reason
so
many
of
these
parts
are
interwoven
and
I,
don't
want
to
even
speak
to
legal
aspects,
but
but
performance
and
practicality
ties
these
things
together
in
in
pretty
specific
ways.
D
P
These
spokesperson,
you
know,
may
not
necessarily
be
the
most
affluent
of
the
group.
The
spokesperson
may
not
necessarily
at
that
moment
at
the
Capitol
to
either
close
or
develop.
He
may
also
not
necessarily
be
in.
P
One
of
the
three
disciplines
that
he
considers
key-
he
may
just
be
a
coordinating
person,
which
is
one
reason.
We
believe
that
the
person
signing
the
document
will
personally
have
had
to
show
that
he's
had
participation
and
the
nature
of
that
Financial
participation
in
other
activities.
Going
back
to
what
I
said
past
performance
no
guarantee
of
the
future,
but
it's
a
heck
of
a
lot
better
than
I
haven't
done
this
before
so
I.
Q
Those
were
really
the
three
things
that
we
talked
about
in
the
beginning
that
we
would
need
to
get
consensus
on
just
sort
of
housekeeping
items.
Essentially,
so
the
first
item
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
is
City
Hall,
okay,
so
I
know
several
of
you
had
sent
questions
and
comments
or
saw
additional
information
from
Felicia,
and
she
did
share
her
responses
to
those
with
us,
as
well
as
those
of
you
that
she
shared
them
with.
Q
Maybe
we
can
allow
that
to
happen,
and
we
are
here
to
basically
Provide
support
as
needed,
but
I
think
you'll
have
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
what
your
goals
are
for
the
site,
and
now
we
just
need
to
really
get
everybody
on
board
with
is
City
Hall
guaranteed
part
of
the
site,
and
you
want
them
to
include
it
or
would
you
rather
City
Hall
be
excluded
from
the
development
program
and
held
for
whatever
your
decisions
may
be
in
the
future
to
do
with
that
site?
Right.
C
O
C
O
So
the
the
first
question
that
was
asked
was:
how
much
is
the
Deferred
maintenance
on
City
Hall,
that's
expected
to
occur
in
the
next
10
years,
so
the
building
age
is
32
years.
At
this
point
we
have
it's
an
aging
product.
We
calculated
that
we
have
about
one
point:
well,
one
million
665
000
of
identified
deferred
maintenance.
This.
O
Are
things
that
are
already
scheduled
or
if
there's
a
hurricane
or
if
or
perhaps
a
hurricane
or
any
other
damage,
it
includes
things
like
carpet
replacement.
The
parking
lots
need
full
reconstruction.
You
can
actually
see
in
one
of
the
parking
lots.
We
have
ConEd
off
parking
spaces
because
it
no
longer
meets
Ada
accessibility.
O
Just
just
that
alone
is
about
400
000
to
replace
the
glass
entrance,
sealing
the
building
roof,
Replacements
the
concrete
work
out
in
the
front
HVAC.
We
have
five
systems
and
in
one
server
room
unit
and
to
replace
the
generator,
so
those
are
just
basic
items.
O
Another
question
that
was
asked
was
the
Deferred
maintenance
on
the
on
the
municipal
Services
building
and
that
cost,
so
that
building
is,
is
25
years
old
and
we're
looking
at
again
the
same
the
same
type
of
Maintenance
requirements,
we're
looking
at
about
565
000
for
the
municipal
Services
complex,
that's
our
that's!
Our
building
that
serves
as
a
public
works,
Leisure
Services
buildings
on
Commerce,
so
that
includes
kitchen
remodels
window.
O
The
the
next
question
that
I
that
was
asked
was
the
CIP
costs
that
we've
already
incurred
for
these
buildings.
So
in
the
in
the
past
five
years,
we've
incurred
about
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
Maintenance
projects
on
City
Hall
and
about
a
hundred
and
a
hundred
and
one
thousand
dollars
on
the
municipal
Services
complex.
O
The
the
next
question
is
the
approximate
acreage
of
the
whole
site,
including
City
Hall.
We
we've
talked
about
it.
You
know
that
number
fluctuates
as
to
how
much
of
the
land
you're
counting
how
much
of
the
right-of-ways
we're
counting.
So
the
the
entire
it's
composed
of
many
Parcels,
the
entire
boundary
7.99
Acres,
so
about
eight
acres,
and
that
includes
all
the
right-of-ways
and
alleys.
So
that
includes
all
of
that.
If
you
took
them
out
that
would
be
6.69
Acres.
B
O
The
the
current
consideration
for
the
the
last
proposal
that
we
received
from
Woodfield
development-
it
was
about
4.85
for
the
for
the
main
structure,
and
you
remember
it
had
like
a
hotel
placement
on
the
corner
about
an
acre
so
about
six
acres.
To
give
or
take,
it
really
depends
on
where
that
line
is.
Thank.
H
O
We
asked
about
the
amount
of
Prior
appraisals
for
the
city
hall
site.
We
haven't
gotten
it
appraised
recently
and
the
last
appraisal
was
about
720
000
per
acre,
and
that
was
in
in
2019
early
on
asked
about
the
cost
Associated
previously
with
discussing
about
buying
or
leasing
in
a
parking
garage.
If
you
all
remember,
Simone
development
several
years
ago
submitted
something,
and
so
that
figure
in
that
proposal
was
twenty
thousand
dollars
for
each
parking
space.
O
The
approximate
cost
to
lease
space
temporarily
by
the
new
city
hall
building
is
being
constructed.
If,
if
that
were
a
reality
for
up
to
about
five
years,
that's
a
moving
Target,
so
it's
gonna
it
would
take
a
while,
for
even
you
know,
permitting
and
planning,
and
all
that
thing
so
we're
talking
about.
O
You
know
something
that
that
is
in
an
off-year.
That
is
very
unpredictable
at
this
moment
in
a
market
I,
we
can't
predict,
what's
going
to
happen
six
months
from
now
much
less,
when
we
would
actually
need
the
space,
but
but
right
now
the
average
square,
foot
of
commercial
space
and
Oldsmar
is
18
per
square
feet.
O
So,
while
we
take
up
sixteen
thousand
square
feet
in
City
Hall,
we
we
don't
need
all
that
space
and
so
I
I
think
we
could
relocate
some
of
the
offices
to
other
buildings
and
so
for
temporary
space
about
8
000
square
feet
of
space.
I
am
looking
at
a
spend
of
about
a
hundred
and
forty
four
thousand
dollars.
O
The
next
question
was
how
much
would
be
the
approximate
ad
valorem
to
be
collected
by
the
city?
You
know
for
development,
so
so
so,
just
in
general
terms
our
millage
rates
4.05,
so
a
hundred
million
dollar
investment
into
our
community
that
would
create
ad
valorem
taxes
would
come
out
to
four
hundred
and
five
thousand
right.
O
However,
we
calculate
taxes
because
of
prepayments
at
about
a
95
percent
of
that
rate,
so
for
100
million
dollar
investment,
we're
looking
at
creating
Revenue
source
to
the
city
for
384
750
dollars
for
150
million
dollar
investment,
we're
looking
at
577
thousand
dollars,
125
for
200
million
dollar
investment,
we're
looking
at
769
500
and
as
alarm
taxes
and
for
250
million
dollar
investment,
we're
looking
at
961
875
and
that's
on
an
annual
basis.
O
O
O
We
would
have
to
perform
a
facility
assist
assessment,
space
planning
analysis
to
determine
exactly
what
our
needs
would
be,
a
site
analysis
and-
and
you
know
whether
or
not
we
have
seven
acres
sitting
over
where
Municipal
Services
complexes
that's
out
of
a
flood
zone.
So
that
could
be
a
potential
site,
so
you
know
what
we
have.
We
have
also
a
current
need
for
a
hardened,
elevated
localized
structure
outside
of
the
flood
zone,
preferably
for
Emergency
Operations
Center.
O
We,
we
don't
have
one
right
now
that
that
is
extremely
challenging
for
us
in
in
given
our
vulnerability
and
location
and
flood
zone
elevations
and
storm
surge
expected
from
the
last
storm
15
feet,
we
need
our
own
dedicated
space
I'm,
going
to
talk
more
about
that
in
a
moment.
But
you
know
at
at
present,
our
facilities
are
not
constructed
to
accommodate
an
EOC.
O
O
Another
question
was
what
would
be
some
of
the
potential
offices
that
we
could
include
in
a
new
complex
right
now
we
are
in
different
locations
throughout
the
city,
so
this
contemplating
a
new
facility
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
look
at
centralizing
administrative
and
operational
functions
and,
for
instance,
communication
marketing
and
arts
is
located
at
the
library,
that's
because
the
spaces
available
there.
We
also
have
Leisure
Services
administrative
offices
at
State,
Street
Center.
We
also
have
you
know
some.
O
The
next
question
is:
is:
is
there
any?
Is
there
going
to
be
potential
disruption
to
our
city
services
because
of
you
know,
reloading
relocating
us
to
a
temporary
location?
We
would
ensure
that
there's
no
disruption
to
the
city
services.
We
could
relocate
some
services
to
other
facilities.
For
instance,
you
know
even
the
art
gallery
that
we
have
at
City
Hall
right
now
we
could
locate
to
State
Street
or
the
library
City
holidays
lighting
program.
O
We
could
relocate
and
look
at
one
of
the
park
lands
for
that
other
services
may
use
in
our
own
space
because
our
shift
of
the
building
permits
to
Pinellas
County,
really
our
visitation
is
I,
mean
it's
a
dozen
people
or
less
to
our
building
to
see
us.
We
conduct
a
lot
of
our
business
online
now
so
you
know,
Utility
Billing
generates
probably
the
most
traffic,
so
you
know
if
we
relocated,
maybe
that
function
to
State
Street,
it's
just
a
different
building
in
the
same
location
and
as
we
move
move
through
the
years.
D
O
There's
no
guarantee
that
we
can
continue
to
use
that
facility
as
companies
transform.
We
don't
have
a
current
lease
agreement
with
them
for
that
operation.
So,
in
addition,
there's
hardly
any
other
spaces
that
could
shelter
the
amount
of
people
that
we
need.
You
know
we
just
a
reminder:
we
sheltered
110
people
during
Ian
and
so
for
our
relocation
efforts.
O
You
can
imagine
the
flurry
of
activity
that
takes
place
before
storm
for
cities
down.
We
have
a
very
small
staff,
I've
I've
provided
the
laundry
list
of
items,
but
some
of
our
resources
are
are
taken
by
relocating
us.
So
that
means
that
we're
unable
to
use
those
resources
to
do
other
things
in
the
city,
because
can't
do
two
things
at
one
time:
we
really
relocate
large
refrigerator
units
so
that
we
can
house
in
an
EOC.
So
we
did
look
at
the
cost
for
doing
that.
O
It
to
fully
activate
us
it
costs
about
sixty
five
hundred
dollars.
It's
just
to
move
us,
and
then
we
have
training
events
about
four
times
a
year.
That's
about
another
two
grand
a
pop
to
relocate
us
for
that
foreign
was
the
approximate
duration
of
time
to
plan,
permit
and
build
a
new
city
hall.
These
are
not
quick
items
to
do
so.
To
think
about
that.
O
Dunedin
is
hoping
to
open
up
their
new
city
hall
next
month.
It's
taken
them
about
three
years
in
construction,
I
went
back,
they
have
been
planning
and
they
had
to
acquire
land
and
looking
at
all
there.
So
so
they've
been
planning
for
a
long
time,
but
it's
about
three
years
under
construction.
So
as
a
rough
estimate,
I
I
think
it
would
probably
take
us
to
to
talk
about
an
effort
like
this
about
five
years.
O
Really
before
the
time
we
do
all
the
feasibility
studies
and
the
space
analysis
and
the
planning
and
and
permitting
something
like
that,
looking
at
even
the
way
that
we
have
outdoor
storage
and
and
those
sorts
of
things
if
we
were
going
to
move
to
the
municipal,
Services
site
and
construction,
so
I
think
about
five
years.
If
we,
if
we
started
today,
the
next
question
was:
what
are
our
financial
options
to
build
a
new
city
hall?
O
So
if
a
new
complex
was
is
served,
City,
Hall
and
emergency
operation
functions,
we
we're
in
a
very
good
position
to
seek
resiliency
grants
and
a
direct
appropriation.
O
If
those
don't
come
to
fruition
because
grant
money
is
you
know
something
that
we've
been
successful
with
I
can't
guarantee
success
in
the
future,
but
because
of
the
recent
injection
of
arpa
funds
to
our
to
our
our
our
financial
capacity
and
other
grant
funding
we're
a
very
strong
position
to
utilize
future
Penny
proceeds,
part
of
our
Enterprise
funds
or
utility
funds
could
possibly
be
utilized
if
those
functions
are
located
and
to
issue
a
new
Bond
for
the
remaining
parts
of
the
construction.
O
O
H
O
I'm
going
to
pull
out
that
sheet,
but
but
the
first
one
was
what
what
are
the
potential
implications
on
the
development
due
to
flood
zone
base
flood
elevation
height
of
the
building
to
make
it
like
a
two-story
or
a
three-story?
O
The
site
is
located
in
the
special
flood
High
area
in
zone
AE,
and
it's
got
a
current
base.
Flood
elevation
of
of
11
feet,
so
residential
development
needs
to
be
designed
to
the
base
to
DFE
the
design
flood
elevation,
which
could
be
it's
either
BFE
plus
one
or
we
use
an
18
inch
rule
which
is
18
inch
above
the
crown
of
the
adjacent
roadway.
O
The
building
height
is
measured
from
the
DFE
and
not
the
ground
elevation.
So
an
option
could
be
to
require
some
minimum
fill
or
stem
wall
design.
Commercial
buildings
are
designed
to
DFE
and
can
be
dry
flood
proofed
up
to
DFE.
So
that's
sometimes
oh
in
most
of
the
occasions
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
before
in
a
mixed
use,
building
vertically
integrated
buildings.
C
O
So
total
of
all
the
parcels
we
paid
over
the
years
we
paid
three
million
six
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
652
dollars
and
three
cents
so
about
3.7
million
dollars.
O
C
Okay,
the
proposal
all
right,
councilmember
Graber.
M
You
know
the
the
front
of
the
building
is
made
out
of
glass.
You
know
it's
going
to
take
basing
that
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
M
Wasting
the
water
made
out
of
glass,
I
mean
say
it
out
loud.
Sometimes
you
know
it's
just
not
safe
at
least
I,
don't
think
so,
and
when
Ian
was
coming
through,
all
the
things
that
we
were
going
through.
Another
consideration
was:
oh
yeah,
that
giant
big
plane
of
glass
like
right
at
City
Hall.
So
when
that
idea,
you
know
started
becoming
sort
of
part
of
the
different
things
we
were
hearing
I
wasn't
so
sure.
Would
it
be
included
in
you
know
a
separate
facility?
Would
we
be
building
a
standalone
facility?
M
B
You
mayor
I,
think
when
I
think
about
the
state
of
the
current
building
and
what
we
the
bullet,
we
just
dodged.
The
saying
of
prepare
for
the
worst
and
hope
for
the
best
is
not
something
that
we
could
confidently
say
that
we
are
prepared
for
the
worst.
We
do
the
best
we
can
right,
but
the
building
is
not
well
prepared
for
what
could
be
the
worst
and
to
make
considerations
now
and
hopefully
take
advantage
of
certain
funding
avenues
that
would
ease
the
financial
strain
on
us
is
certainly
an
option
of
being
explored.
B
I
know
some
of
the
comments
that
came
up
before
in
terms
of
the
overall
concept
of
previous
proposals,
the
the
general
scope
of
the
land.
You
know
there
was
definitely
a
desire
to
have
some
Park
land
so
and
the
current
location
of
where
it
kind
of
got
slotted
kind
of
made
sense,
but
there
were
definitely
safety
concerns
so
by
including
City
Hall.
B
L
So
I
know
it
will
surprise
exactly
no
one.
Looking
at
the
former
mayor's
face
that
all
those
questions
came
from
me.
L
And
I'm
really
grateful
for
all
of
the
responses
from
City
staff
and
for
Felicia.
So
a
wise
vice
mayor
not
too
long
ago
brought
up
an
idea
of
thinking
outside
the
box.
L
Wait
wait
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
you
know
it's
it's
interesting
when
you
take
a
step
back
and
we've
done
a
lot
of
work,
a
lot
of
collaboration
over
the
last
year
or
so,
and
you
know,
when
I
started,
to
look
at
this
triangle
of
property,
which
is
difficult
in
and
of
itself,
for
a
developer
to
to
work
on
and-
and
we
saw
that
and
in
talking
with
Felicia
and
learning
about
two
million
dollars
in
deferred
maintenance,
no
way
to
have
an
Emergency
Operations
Center
that
functions
for
our
city,
our
staff
and
for
our
community,
the
ad
valorem
dollars
that
we
could
potentially
get
to
offset
the
cost
of
leasing
space
temporarily.
L
You
know
in
the
long
run,
then
the
potential
for
funding
after
mayor
you've
attended
those
resiliency
programs
with
the
city
manager
and
you,
you
know,
participated
and
learned
about
ways
that
we
need
to
harden
our
buildings
and
even
our
Parks
small
things
that
we
can
do
and
ways
that
we
can
be
more
resilient.
I
know,
City
staff
has
Ashley.
Painter
has
worked
extraordinarily
hard,
that
cool
presentation
that
you
showed
us
with
the
people
from
Switzerland
wherever.
L
Finland,
in
any
event,
but
a
half
a
million
dollars
in
the
past
five
years
and
then
I'm
thinking
to
myself,
okay,
wait:
we
were
going
to
pay
how
much
for
parking
spots.
I
was
like
wait.
A
minute.
Wait,
a
minute,
wait,
a
minute,
a
better
use
of
the
dollars
that
we
have
might
be
to
put
it
not
toward
parking
spots
and
leasing.
L
You
know
parking
spots
or
or
what
have
you
or
putting
enough
sinking
another
2
million
and
deferred
maintenance,
for
you
know,
city
hall
and
then
another
half
a
million
for
municipal
Services
Center
on
Commerce
would
be
to
put
that
toward
designing
something.
L
Doing
some
quick
and
dirty
math,
eight
Acres,
divided
by
30
units
per
acre,
I,
don't
want
to
say
the
word,
but
that
density
puts
us
at
240.,
so
it
automatically
by
including
more
land.
We
automatically
decrease
the
density
and
address
that
concern.
There's
a
potential
to
include
more
space
for
the
public,
a
product
that
people
want
a
better
concept.
L
It's
already
been
discussed
by
our
residents
in
the
past
and
even
today
that
the
building
as
it
is,
while
wonderful
at
its
time,
is
not
particularly
compatible
with
some
of
the
designs
that
we're
seeing
and
some
of
the
designs
that
we've
all
expressed
interest
in
seeing
and,
of
course,
the
the
tax
consequences
that
that
I
already
mentioned
so
I
think
including
those
additional
1.3
Acres
is
really
smart.
L
It
helps
us
capitalize
on
our
land
and
and
our
taxes.
It
helps
us
make
a
better
use
of
our
tax
dollars
plans
for
the
future.
You
know,
I
could
see
a
city
hall
where
we
have
that
community
space
that
people
have
been
asking
for
where
we
have
a
Consolidated
Emergency
Operations
that
are
where
we
have
our
Leisure
Services
folks.
You
know
all
in
one
building
and
our
you
know
technical
services.
L
C
Thank
you
so,
in
a
nutshell,
I
think
we
have
a
consensus
that
we're
going
to
include
the
city
hall
in
The,
Proposal,
city
manager,
Felicia,
Donnelly
and
I
have
talked
about
it
several
times.
I
brought
it
up
before
at
a
city
council,
meeting
I
think
it
should
be
included
in
the
bid
process.
C
We
also
talked
about
since
it
is
going
to
be
a
five-year
development
plan
that
probably
is
going
to
take
five
or
the
next
generation
of
whoever's
up
here
will
be
involved
in
that
process
and
Felicia
and
I
talked
about
maybe
just
leasing
the
the
building,
while
the
construction
is
going
on
until
the
city
council
and
the
city
staff
can
figure
out
a
plan
to
build
a
new
city
city
hall
for
a
smaller
City
Hall
for
for
the
future
of
the
city.
Q
Okay,
so
it
would
be
your
preference,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear,
because
you
will
obviously
you
know,
depending
on
the
tear
down
process
and
construction
schedule.
Obviously
that
building
is
going
to
go
away.
Felicia
laid
out
a
number
of
options
for
how
you
know
your
existing
Services
could
be
relocated,
but
at
any
rate
it
sounded
like.
You
still
would
need
about
8
000
square
feet
to
rent
somewhere,
while
you're
building
your
new
facilities,
especially
during
planning,
and
all
of
that.
So
the
question
would
be.
Is
it
your?
Q
Is
it
your
desire
to
have
them
retain
the
building
as
long
as
possible
for
you
to
lease
it
from
them,
while
they're
doing
construction
other
parts
of
the
site?
Or
is
it
your
desire
to
have
space
built
within
the
new
development
that
you
could
then
rent
from
them?
Understanding
that
there's
going
to
be
a
period
of
time
in
between
there,
where
your
building's
going
to
come
down
and
they're
not
going
to
be
done?
Building
yet
and.
C
You'll
be
elsewhere.
I
personally
me
would
like
to
lease
the
building
until
City
staff
city
city
manager
can
find
a
place
that
we
can
have
our
in
our
city
hall
at.
But
that
would
be
my
suggestion
and
if
anybody
else
says
you
know
other
comments,
but
I
would
like
us
to
be
able
to
lease
it
while
they're
developing
is
going
on
or
the
proposals
being
built
and
the
surveying
is
going
on,
we
can
lease
the
building
until
we
find
the
location.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
that
Felicia
at
all.
O
I
I
think
that,
just
to
to
clarify
the
the
leasing
of
the
site
during
the
construction
and
I
I
think
that
that
that
Laura,
you
may
be
asking.
Are
we
going
to
ask
the
developer
to
provide
us
some
temporary
space
inside
their
new
development,
to
which
we
would
lease
like
any
any
other
office
space
from
the
developer?
Like
here's.
Q
Yours
right,
so
the
question
then
becomes
you
know.
The
building
itself
is
if
it's
included
is
going
to
have
to
be
taken
down
because
there's
going
to
have
to
be
obviously
work
done
to
the
land
there's
going
to
be
degrading
and
elevation
stuff
you've
got
right-of-ways
in
there.
If
you
decide
to
vacate
those
right-of-ways,
those
need
to
be
taken
up
all
of
that's
going
to
have
to
happen
as
part
of
site
prep.
So
in
that
time
period,
when
that
building
comes
down,
you'll
have
some
period
of
time
until
new
space
is
built.
Q
Even
if
you
were
to
lease
space
from
the
new
development,
there
will
be
a
period
of
time
where
you'll
be
leasing
elsewhere
or
having
you
know,
moving
your
services
around
so
that
you
can
be
accommodated
in
your
existing
facilities
elsewhere.
So
I
think
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
include
in
the
RFP
a
requirement
that
they
provide
some
sort
of
lease
agreement
for
you
to
rent
space
from
them
or
give
you
the
option
to
rent
from
them
some
sort
of
amount
of
office
space
in
their
new
development?
Or
do
you
simply
want
to
say?
O
Q
So
you
so
I
from
what
we're
hearing
today.
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
It
doesn't
sound
like
you
want
to
require
that
space
be
provided
for
you
all
to
lease
from
them
during
your
construction
process,
but
you
would
like
for
the
potential
for
that
space
to
be
part
of
negotiation.
If
it's,
if
that
use,
is
included
absolutely.
H
O
Correct
because,
also
on
the
other
side
of
that,
just
to
add
to
the
to
the
conversation
maybe
do
we
would
have
to
after
our
the
building
of
City
Hall
was
demolished.
D
O
H
H
F
Like
to
also
comment
so
so
one
other
thing
you
know,
while
you're
thinking
about
this
is
maybe
the
way
to
approach
it
would
be
to
require
them
to
build
their
development
in
phases
and
leave
City
Hall
in
its
footprint
for
as
long
as
possible
right.
They
build
their
development
around
us
and
then
take
our
building
down
last,
and
so
we
can
limit
our
exposure
to
leasing
at
Nielsen
or
somewhere
else.
Right.
M
Comments,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
asking
specifically
for
a
right
of
first
refusively,
built
into
a
development
agreement
correct
that
was
not
I
know.
That
was
just
said.
That's
a
hyper-technical
term,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this
is
going
to
be.
We
might
optionally
need
to
leave
space
in
one
of
the
phases
of
the
development
in
order
to
facilitate
City
function.
It
wouldn't
be
a
right
of
first
refusal.
I
could
just
see
that
causing
a
significant
amount
of
issues.
E
One
last
question:
Felicia
and
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
worst
case
scenario
right.
They
got
to
raise
the
whole
land.
This
happens
five
years
down,
the
road
commercial
real
estate
goes
through
the
roof.
There's
nothing
available
in
the
area.
Do
you
feel
we
have
enough
space
to
facilitate
operations?
O
O
Very
hard
for
me
to
to
offer
a
response
to
that.
I
mean
it.
You
know
our
staff
and
our
city
operations
were
resilient,
so
you
know
whether
or
not
that
would
mean
moving
Portable
Buildings
at
our
existing
facilities.
I
was
just
thinking
about
when
I
was
a
child.
I
went
to
a
school
that
had
Portable
Buildings
I'm
sure
we
all
had
you
know.
Can
we
do
that
at
MSC?
It's
not
optimal.
We
could,
probably
you
know
we.
D
O
L
A
J
O
P
H
P
P
We've
now
eliminated
the
debate
about
whether
the
property
is
in
or
out,
we've
changed
the
bait.
It's
now
a
different
topic.
P
In
a
sense,
we
are
still
providing
options
that
thou
make
potential
comparisons
difference.
If,
if
we
really
want
the
city
hall
gone
to
maximize
the
utility
of
the
site,
which
is
the
intent
here,
then
we
do
need
to
acknowledge
that
we
are
leaving,
as
of
a
date,
certain
to
do
exactly
what
legal
counsel
is
advising
so
that
different
phasing
strategies
are
not
different
plans,
and
so
we
want
to
make
use
of
that
site.
P
The
optimum
plan
might
require
that
they
be
gone
immediately.
That's
kind
of
a
policy
decision
here
it.
So
if
we're
saying
that
we
want
to
not
are
flexible
to,
if
we
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
development,
then
I
think
that's
the
policy
decision.
If
we
are
willing
to
say
we
will
be
gone
as
of
a
date
certain,
because
that's
what
you're
specifying
in
your
RFP
submission
I
think
we
need
to
agree
with
that.
P
If
we
think
we
can't
I'm
fine
with
that
too
I
just
want
you
to
understand
we've
just
we
just
changed
the
terms
of
the
offer.
The
city
hall
is
still
there.
We're
now
we're
just
arguing
about
when
it
disappears
or
where
it
goes
so.
I'm
not
here
to
solve
that,
for
you
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
understand.
That's
what
we
do
so
we
have
in
effect
changed
the
process
a
little
bit,
which
is
fine,
just
consequences.
You.
B
Just
to
make
a
comment,
kind
of
pigging
backing
off
of
the
vice
mayor,
as
as
the
worst
case
scenario
right
that
we
don't
have
anywhere
to
go,
or
we
really
don't
have
any
options
except
making
it
work.
I
mean
it
sounds
like
to
be
able
to
put
a
date.
Certain
of
we're
going
to
be
out
by
a
certain
point
is
we're
out
until
a
new
city
hall,
preferably
our
own
City
Hall
on
our
land,
is,
is
created
and
we
make
it
work
until
then.
B
That
is
an
option
that
can
take
place
versus
putting
in
these
wrinkles
of
oh
well,
we'd
like
to
have
space.
We
don't
even
know
what
it
is
yet
and
now
that
all
the
developers
have
to
think
about
that
of
oh,
how
do
we
create
a
space
for
that's
going
to
work
for
city
hall,
and
then
we've
got
to
be
able
to
flip
it
around
and
put
it
to
someone
else,
because
we
know
they're
a
temporary
tenant,
so
I
think
more.
B
C
C
C
A
D
B
D
D
Q
Q
C
A
A
C
Q
Okay,
so
as
we're
saying
our
next
topic
is,
we
need
to
discuss-
and
this
is
important
for
ranking
how
the
proposals
ultimately
are
opened
and
processed
whenever
they
come
in.
We
need
to
have
a
conversation
about
where
you
feel
the
greatest
priority.
It
needs
to
be
in
terms
of
scoring
and
ranking,
and
that's
going
to
come
down
to
a
question
of
the
plan
itself,
meaning
you
know
the
uses,
it's
comp,
it's
compliance
and
compatibility
with
the
mission
and
vision
that
you've
established
for
that
site.
Q
Q
Then
we
need
to
factor
that
into
how
we
process
the
responses
that
come
back
to
the
RFP,
so
how
we
process
those
proposals
versus
if
the
priority
is
the
plan
making
sure
that
it's
compliant
and
compatible
with
the
vision
and
the
mission,
as
well
as
consistent
with
your
your
existing
zoning.
You
have
in
place-
and
you
know
General
character
and
Architectural
standards
that
you
feel
are
most
appropriate
here.
So
in
terms
of
y'all's
preference
and
priority.
Q
C
All
right
city
manager,
what
would
our
first
event
be
get
a
proposal
on
the
property
because
it
hasn't
been
done
since
2016.
appraisal,
I
meant
appraisal.
Sorry
would
that
be
the
best
thing
to
move
forward
is
get
an
appraisal
or
well.
D
Q
Q
Regardless
of
what
it
appraises
for
that's
the
bottom
line,
and
we
need
to
know
which
one
of
those
you
place
the
greatest
priority
on,
is
it
the
plan
and
how
it
complies
with
the
mission
and
the
vision
and
overall,
your
desire
for
that
site
in
terms
of
character
and
Community
compatibility.
Or
is
it
about
either
how
much
you
get
out
of
the
land
and
sale
price
or
the
amount
that
they
ask
in
terms
of
contribution.
H
M
Absolutely
it
has
a
meta
money
thing
right:
it's
a
community
we're
building
this
up,
we've
been
at
this
for
a
long
time
we're
trying
to
get
everybody's
input.
We've
made
a
focus
on
that,
especially
this
year,
since
we've
been
moving
forward
with
the
open
houses
and
the
different
Community
engagement
plan,
the
the
price
is
going
to
be
the
price,
but
to
say
the
price
is
more
important
than
what
we
want
to
actually
see
eventually
built
there.
I,
don't
think,
is
the
correct
way
to
go.
That's
my
opinion,
but
that's
where
I'm
I
stand.
Okay,.
E
M
C
B
Thank
you
mayor
for
as
long
as
I've
lived
here
and
as
long
as
I've
been
paying
attention
to
Council
meetings,
it's
never
been
about
the
price.
It's
not.
We
got
to
recoup
what
we
spent
it's
never
been
about.
That
is.
We
want
a
downtown
right,
downtown,
doesn't
say
for
x,
amount
of
dollars,
as
the
vice
mayor
just
alluded
to
our
return
on
investment
is
going
to
be
the
future
tax
dollars
that
we
get
from
a
new
development
on
that
land.
B
And,
yes,
we
hope
to
recoup
some
of
what
we
invested
up
front
to
acquire
sudden
land,
but
the
real
return
on
the
investment.
Besides,
the
tax
dollars
is
going
to
be
that
place
that
downtown
that
everybody,
when
you've
been
knocking
doors
and
talking
to
people
around
of
what
they
want.
So
for
me,
it's
a
place
and
the
plan.
L
So
to
me
it
you
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
and
I
know.
This
came
up
with
the
library
property
that
the
the
CRA
statute
requires
that
when
we
dispense
this
property,
you
know
we
take
into
consideration
the
long-term
benefits
to
be
achieved
in
the
community
municipalities,
you're
right
and
it's
it.
It
doesn't
necessarily
require
that
it
be
dispensed
with
for
an
appraised
value
or
for
the
the
actual
value
of
the
land
or
for
what
we
acquired
it
for
and
I.
L
Think
that's
important
to
remember
in
this
context,
because
people
in
this
community
have
let
us
know
that
they're
envisioning
a
place
that
is
partial.
You
know
it's
public
and
private.
You
know
it's
a
place
that
we
are
trying
to
accomplish
both
things
and
because
it's
going
to
be
both
things
that
necessarily
comes
at
a
cost
right.
L
A
developer
is
not
necessarily
going
to
give
us
a
public
component
of
the
public-private
development
for
free-
and
you
know
I
know
that's
easy
to
to
misunderstand,
because
people
think
okay,
my
tax
dollars
went
toward
acquiring
this
property,
but
vice
mayor
is
correct.
L
There's
ad
valorem
dollars
to
be
had
there
and
then
there's
also
the
fact
that
if
we,
you
know
utilize
their
assistance
in
creating
that
public
space,
then
we're
not
spending
the
money
or
if
they,
you
know,
ask
us
to
contribute
that
money
that
could
be
offset
by
the
pricing
component,
but
I
think
that
the
price
is
for
me.
Certainly
a
factor
I
want
to
recoup
the
value,
not
necessarily
the
dollar
amount.
But
more
important
to
me
is
the
proposal.
L
This
vision
statement
that
our
residents
came
up
with
and
how
the
proposal
that
we
received
meets
that
vision
statement
meets
that
sense
of
place
that
we're
looking
for
in
the
public
component,
while
also
respecting
that
history
and
the
private
component
and
and
creating
that
Economic
Opportunity
that
serves
both
the
public
and
private.
So
to
me,
it
also
is
about
the
proposal.
C
Okay,
Owen,
when
you
did
your
class,
your
CRA
10101
when
I
attended
that
class
with
you
one
of
the
things
that
you
said
in
that
class.
That
really
stuck
with
me
is
you
said
that
when
a
municipality
has
property
for
sale
or
they
want
to
dispose
of
it
to
a
developer.
You
said
in
that
in
that
class
that
it's
not
about
the
money.
It's
about
the
investment
in
the
community
and
I'll.
C
Q
It
okay!
So
with
that
then
comes
a
question
of
do
we
want
the
price
or
offer
slash,
ask
to
be
separate
from
The
Proposal,
where
we
do
our
scoring
and
ranking
exclusive
of
that
piece,
and
we
run
our
rubric
exclusively
on
the
plan
itself.
The
experience
of
the
proposer
you
know:
do
we
then
exclude
the
price
from
the
rubric
entirely
basically
say
put
that
in
a
separate
envelope
and
that's
to
be
opened
after
we
score
the
proposal
and
then
those
will
be
considered
separately
from
the
actual
ranking.
L
It
would
be
very
difficult
for
me
to
not
consider
it
altogether
in
one
envelope
just
because
I,
while
I
do
put
proposal
first.
I.
Think
price
is
part
of
the
consideration
and
I
honestly
I
think
our
residents
are
going
to
want
to
know
I.
Think
I,
think
that
and
I
think
that's
fair
I
mean
I.
Think
our
city
staff
is
going
to
want
to
know
right.
B
I
tend
to
agree
because
oftentimes,
just
in
my
line
of
work
when
we're
out
there
looking
for
projects
and
stuff,
you
know
we're
waiting
to
get
these
quotes
and
our
proposals
back
and
what
do
we
do?
We
see
the
first
couple
lines.
Couple
pictures
in
scroll,
scroll
scroll.
What's
the
number
going
to
be
so
now
granted,
that's
I
think
maybe
too
far
to
Jump
Ahead
in
something
this
significant
in
nature.
B
I,
don't
hate
the
idea
of
it
being
not
the
first
thing
we
look
at.
You
know
that
it
is
separate,
but
it
still
does
go
into
the
overall
evaluation
of
you
know.
If
we
got
two
things
we
really
like
right
well
and
and
they're
dead
set
equal.
Well,
then,
where
are
we
going
to
probably
fall?
What's
going
to
be
that
that
last
factor
that
makes
us
go
one
way
or
another
if
we
have
something,
that's
crazy,
amazing
and
then
something
that's
that's
pretty
good,
but
that
this
thing
is
going
to
cost
us.
B
You
know
launching
a
rocket
to
the
moon.
Well,
we're
probably
not
going
to
go
down
that
route
right,
so
I
I'd
like
to
see
it
be
taken
into
consideration
and
again,
I
I,
don't
hate
the
idea
of
it.
Maybe
the
first
pass
that
first
look
at
it
and
the
details
of
it
before
then
seeing
the
price
kind
of
takes
that
potential
bias
out
of
saying.
Well,
do
I
like
this
as
it
is
without
the
financial
component
and
then
putting
that
into
play.
E
Thank
you,
mayor,
I,
I'm
thinking
about
the
process
and
I'm,
looking
at
the
transparency
and
look
every
our
citizens,
our
residents,
our
staff,
everybody
should
know
this
information
when
these
rfps
come
back
and
we
go
through
this
rubric
as
scoring
even
if
they're
in
the
RFP
or,
if
they're,
in
a
separate
secret
envelope.
At
the
end
of
that
meeting,
we're
going
to
know
all
the
information
correct.
Q
E
To
keep
it
unbiased
I
like
the
approach
of
keeping
the
price
out
of
it,
you're
looking
at
the
project,
we're
looking
at
the
sense
of
place,
we're
trying
to
get
an
understanding,
but
by
the
end
of
that
meeting,
all
the
information
is
going
to
be
available
to
everybody.
So
I
kind
of
like
the
secret
envelope
approach.
H
M
Then
after
we
have
that,
we
have
to
we'll
add
a
new
element
to
the
consideration:
does
that
change
the
ranking
at
all
and
so
I
don't
in
terms
of
just
aesthetic
and
feel
and
what
we
want
to
see?
Perhaps
that's
the
first
ranking
we
do
if
that
makes
sense,
and
then
right
and
then
okay,
we've
ranked
them
well,
here's
the
estimated
cost
of
all
of
them.
M
Does
that
impact
our
rankings
and
I
think
it
would
if
we,
you
know,
launching
a
rocket
to
the
moon
as
former
vice
mayor
now,
head
side,
so
I
think
it's
rounds
of
ranks.
It
would
probably
be
the
best
approach
and
put
different
elements,
and
it
might
only
be
two
rounds
right,
but
I
think
that
encompasses
what
you
were
saying
correct,
yes
mayor
and
what
the
rest
of
us
were
talking
about.
L
M
L
L
You
know
to
me,
that's
a
significant
factor:
it's
not
the
only
Factor
I'm,
not
saying
it's,
the
only
Factor,
but
you
know
it
would
have
to
be
a
very,
very
convincing
proposal
for
me
to
then
explain
to
a
resident.
You
know
and
the
this
did.
This
did
happen
with
the
library
property,
with
a
particular
constituent
who
had
valid
concerns.
You
know
we
paid
X
for
this
property
or
in
the
situation
I
was
previously
in
it
was
that
land
is
worth
this
and
I
understand.
L
The
statute
says
what
it
says,
and
we
all
know
that
right,
but
from
a
resident's
perspective
you
got
you
know
eight
acres
of
land
right
there
that's
extraordinarily
valuable,
and
we
have
to
justify
that
and
I
can
justify
it
with.
You
know
a
whole
host
of
information,
but
it's
hard
to
do
it
after
the
fact.
It's
a
little
harder
for
me
mentally
to
do
it.
After
effect,
I
just
I
think
that
all
of
it
goes
into
a
sort
of
rubric
for
us
to
rank
on.
C
Q
Q
B
D
O
Just
just
a
comment
is
that
you
know
if
you
there's
advantages
to
both
and
Laura
can
can.
D
O
On
that,
but
you
know
an
advantage
to
having
them
all
together
would
would
be
in
the
negotiations,
because
it
may
be
possible
that
you
may
want
a
little
more
on
this
side
and
you're
willing
to
give
and
pay
for
that
on
this
side.
So
you
know
that
would
just
be
one
advantage
of
of
keeping
them
together,
but
it
but
again
Laura
can
expand
on
the
advantages
of
keeping
them
together
and
then
the.
Q
So
one
important
piece
of
this
to
remember
is
you're,
offering
five
firms
to
respond
to
this
RFP
right
so,
and
you've
told
us
that
the
plan,
it's
design
its
compatibility
with
the
community.
It's
consistency
with
the
mission
and
the
vision
are
priority
one.
So
we
understand
that
piece
right,
there's
other
components
that
points
and
and
scoring
will
be
awarded
based
on,
including
you
know,
the
experience
of
the
firm
and
and
related
type
elements
specific
to
the
respondents.
Q
So,
if
we
think
about
those-
and
we
say-
okay
well,
you've
got
five
you're
going
to
rank
these
things,
one
through
five
keeping
the
financial
ask
the
the
price
point
in
a
separate
envelope
to
be
evaluated
after
you
rank
does
not
mean
that
it
doesn't
affect
anything
all
that
it
means
is.
If
you
decide
okay.
Well,
let's
look
at
the
top
three
and
we
take
the
top
three
and
say:
okay,
the
top
three
are
all
within
this
many
points
of
each
other.
Q
If
price
is
something
that
you
want
to
consider
in
the
scoring
and
initial
ranking,
then
you
need
to
weight
it
appropriately.
For
that
keep
in
mind,
it's
not
like
nobody's
ever
going
to
know
the
price
right.
This
is
in
Florida.
We
have
Sunshine
laws.
The
price
is
going
to
become
public,
it's
not
a
question
of
will
or
won't
you
based
on
price.
It's
a
question
of
how
price
may
affect
the
ranking
so.
Q
If
the
plan
is
the
priority,
then
the
plan
is
the
priority,
but
if
the
financial
piece
or
who
knows
maybe
like
you
said
somebody
could
come
in
and
say
not
only,
do
we
not
want
to
give
anything
for
the
land
we
need
you
to
kick
in
another
million
of
tax
relief
coming
back
over
a
period.
We
don't
know
what
those
kind
of
asks
are
going
to
look
like
at
the
moment,
but
until
we
get
them,
we
won't
know.
So
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
then
see
the
price
and
it
slowly
are.
Q
You
know,
review
and
interpretation
of
the
plan
simply
because
maybe
it
is
what
you
would
perceive,
depending
on
what
it
may
be
as
over
the
top
or
too
much
or
not
enough
in
terms
of
offer.
So
this
is
an
important
conversation.
It's
an
important
piece.
I
think
you
are
all
in
consensus
that
the
plan
itself
is
your
top
priority.
H
P
Get
a
simple
thing:
yes,
we
can
do
that
what
you
have
said
without
putting
words,
certainly
without
chewing
them
is.
You
said
the
plan
is
worth
51
of
the
selection
process
now,
so
we
I
think
we
can
talk
about
that
because
if
that's
not
what
you're
saying
then
I
haven't
understood.
So
it's
What
potent
between
zero,
which
I
don't
think
anybody's
on
and
49.
I
mean
there's
a
conceptual
logarithm.
That's
what
we're
saying
here
is
the
plan
is
at
least
51.
So
if
I'm,
not
understanding
that
correct,
we
we
need
to
amplify
that
discussion.
P
The
one
where
I
said
we
had
the
the
100
to
250
000
number
that
was
in
a
separate
envelope,
and
then
they
were
ultimately
within
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
of
each
other.
I
mean
the
beauty
of
having
an
appraisal.
Is
there
is
a
striking
Point,
that's
already
out
there.
You
might
willingly
accept
less
than
that
appraisal,
even
though
the
market
value
is
probably
far
higher
I,
don't
know
what
you're
going
to
do,
but
there's
a
sense
that
a
number's
already
been
created
that
people
are
thinking
about.
D
P
Again,
I've
seen
it
go
both
ways.
The
the
only
one
thing
I
am
a
hundred
percent.
Sure
of
is,
if
you
really
think
the
plan's
the
most
important
that's
a
way
of
not
letting
it
get
in
the
way
of
the
discussion
which
I
think
was
your
point.
It's
not
about
eliminating
its
Merit
as
a
contribution
is.
If
you
go
well,
it's
more
important
than
I'd
say
he
is
it's
like.
P
Why
do
we
even
care
about
the
rest
of
it
and
if
we
care
about
the
rest
of
it,
let's
rank
that
accordingly,
but
but
the
plan
itself
is
the
most
subjective
discussion
items,
even
though
you
have
some
mental
criteria
of
how
it's
going
to
unfold,
and
so
it's
even
if,
if
we
put
a
numeric
value
to
it,
it's
still
subjective
because
you
can
grant
them
all
the
plans,
because
it's
multi-family
or
all
the
points,
because
it's
commercial,
that's
subjective.
P
Price
not
so
much
so
we
say
you
are
better
off
if
you
really
are
committed
to
the
plan
which
I'm
hearing
in
terms
of
at
least
51
percent,
whatever
that
ultimate
percentage
is,
let's
just
don't
get
the
conversation
clouded.
It
needs
to
be
away
at
least
to
satisfy
you
for
sure
that
it
it
we
don't
ignore
it.
I,
don't
know
what
that
percentage
is
because
I
think
we
got
to
go
through
all
these
other
things
about
what
we're
doing
with
city
hall
or
not
doing
with
City
Hall.
P
L
Q
Eventually,
that's
all
going
to
be
public.
What
we're
saying
is
when
it
initially
comes
in
keep
in
mind
when
these
proposals
come
in
we're
not
going
to
put
them
in
front
of
you
and
ask
you
to
go
down
and
score
them.
They're
going
to
come
in
they're,
going
to
be
stamped
as
received
they're
going
to
be
opened,
they're
going
to
be
reviewed
and
processed.
So
when
we
talk
about
the
price
being
a
separate
envelope,
it
just
means
that
envelope
doesn't
get
opened
until
everything
else
has
been
done.
H
Q
And
that's
I
think
to
Owen's
point
of
keeping
the
subjective
and
objective
components
of
ranking
separate,
because
that
way,
there's
no
way
that
you're
then
reviewing
and
scoring
a
project
thinking
to
yourself
how
in
the
world
did
they
ask
this
my
are
they
offering
so
little
on
this
project?
It's
not
confusing
the
narrative
at
all.
Q
It's
keeping
them
very
separate,
so
I
think
that
was
to
his
point
of
keeping
those
things
separate,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
it
doesn't
matter
and
ultimately,
any
recommendation
that
comes
out
of
there
out
of
these
the
scoring
the
ranking.
All
of
that
is
going
to
have
the
the
price
point
listed
in
it.
So
what
you
see
whenever
all
of
these
come
in
and
they
get
scored
and
ranked,
and
all
of
that,
what
gets
presented
to
you
is
going
to
have
the
price
shown
on
it.
L
A
L
L
But
for
me,
if
the,
if
the
plan
is
you
know,
51
or
actually
for
me
it's
probably
more
than
that,
the
price
is
a
consideration
for
me
because
in
this
type
of
situation,
like
I
said
where
we're
looking
for
a
public
component,
you
know
it
could
very
well
be
a
a
zero-sum
game
right,
so
we
love
it.
The
price
is
zero.
I,
don't
want
anybody
to
say,
oh
now,
what
do
we
do?
Oh,
we
already
eliminated
the
bottom
two
based
on
subjective
criteria,
but
oh.
L
The
negotiation,
or
you
know,
hey
submission
a
had
this-
that
we
love
hey
submission
B
over
here.
Just
so
you
know
we
really
like
what
they
have
right
there
in
you
know
like
to
me.
I
want
to
know
I
want
to
know
all
of
it,
but
I've
spoken
enough.
You
guys
so.
Q
Let
me
let
me
ask
this
real,
quick,
so
I
mean
to
Owen's
point
we're
we're
in
agreement
that
no
less
than
51
of
of
this
is
the
plan
right.
So
now
we're
just
in
a
question
of
what
some
other
minority
portion
is
allocated
to
the
price
correct.
Well,
we've
got
other
stuff,
that's
got
to
get
built
into
that
as
well
and
I
think.
Q
Maybe
what
we
can
do,
then,
is
work
with
your
staff,
and
we
will
come
up
with
that
rubric
of
scoring
and
a
procedure
for
how
we
go
about
doing
that,
so
that
it
satisfies
what
we've
heard
today,
because
I
think
there's
there's
generally
the
we're
kind
of
there.
But
it's
just
a
procedural
question
of
at
what
point
right.
H
B
I
have
a
question
and
I
know:
we've
been
kind
of
jumping
around
as
far
as
the
agenda
items
go,
but
the
way
you
sort
of
just
describe
the
re,
receipt
and
processing
of
the
submissions
and
ultimately
before
it
hits
our
eyes.
It's
going
to
be
all
laid
out
when
it
comes
to
that
scoring
and
ranking.
Is
there
going
to
be
any
scoring
and
ranking
that
takes
place
as
part
of
your
Consulting
with
staff,
or
is
it
solely
going
to
be
ranking
by
us?
Can
you
kind
of.
E
Q
A
Q
Me
I
want
them
so
to
that
point,
though,
I
think
it's
important,
we
think
about
score
versus
rank.
So,
like
we're
gonna
give
you
a
rubric
basically
saying
this.
One
was
awarded
this
many
points
on
this
one:
okay,
in
these
different
categories:
okay
and
then
you're
going
to
evaluate
those
and
say:
okay.
Well,
this
is
the
one
that
we
picked
to
rank
number
one
and
select
assuming
that
that
proceeds
into
negotiations.
This
is
so
you're
going
to
rank
second
and
third
and
fourth
and
fifth.
H
B
So
it's
not
us
seeing
that
we're
seeing
gonna
see
the
number
and
all
the
scoring
we're
not
going
to
be
seeing
that
number
and
having
that
potentially
influence,
how
any
other
elements
being
scored
or
how
the
proposals
receive
it's
as
as
it's
planned
right
now.
It's
it's
all
coming
to
us
in
that
one.
A
O
No
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
on
the
process.
So
so
you
know
we
do
a
round.
Gai
does
around
as
part
of
their
contractual
obligations
to
us,
with
staff
to
to
provide
some
level
of
of
scoring
based
on
the
you
know
the
objective
items,
and
then
you
all
would
do
the
final
ranking,
of
course,
in
a
public
forum.
Q
So
we
want
to
keep
everything
very
transparent
and
very
very
clear.
Submissions
are
going
to
come
into
City
staff.
City
staff
is
going
to
Stamp
Those
in
they're,
going
to
then
have
them
in
the
public
record.
They
will
then
be
shared
with
us
to
evaluate
and
go
so
they're
not
coming
to
our
office.
We're
not
stamp.
L
E
E
I,
think
and
I've
bid
this
way
before,
where
you've
got
to
put
your
your
plan
in
place
and
that
the
price
comes
in
privately
so
I'm
used
to
this
process,
it's
just
it.
It
makes
it
so
that
we
focus
on
what
our
citizens
want
and
not
so
much
the
financial
and
the
financials
not
influencing
the
other
side
of
it.
E
With
a
project
this
size-
and
you
made
a
good
point-
I'm
trying
to
imagine
the
phone
calls
I
would
receive
if
the
plane
comes
with
the
pricing
on
it.
It
gets
to
the
public
eye
and
the
Public's
I'm-
not
spending
five
million
on
this,
and
that's
why
I'm
coming
on
this
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
pricing
objections
from
the
public
before
we
even
have
a
chance
to
even
look
at
this
and
say:
does
the
plan
meet
our
vision
and
Mission.
M
I'm
sticking
with
what
I
said
before
I
mean
it's
the
same
exact
it
has
owned,
was
attempting
to
describe,
and
thank
you
both
for
trying
to
articulate
what
I
was
saying,
I
caught
what
you
were
doing
there
it's.
What
are
we
doing?
What
are
we
looking
at?
What
do
they
want
to
build
and
what
you're
saying
is
give
me
everything
and
so
to
what
council
member
Knapp
had
said.
Is
you
know
it's
like
when
you
get
an
appeal
back?
M
What
do
you
do
you
flip
to
the
back
page
to
see
that
we
win,
or
did
we
lose
it's
the
same
thing
when
you're
looking
at
money?
It's
like
okay!
Well,
how
much
is
this,
and
if
you
do
that-
and
you
look
at
that
first
now-
we
could
trust
that
you
wouldn't
or
that
Felicia
wouldn't
and
that
would
go
through
the
whole
entire
process,
but
once
you
get
the
number
it's
so
I,
don't
think
that's
it's
well!
Okay.
M
We
really
like
this
project
and
it's
rank
number
one,
and
then
we
find
out
the
money
and
we're
like
wow.
We
can't
do
that.
Well,
can
we
you
know?
Is
there
a
way
to
negotiate
that
down
and
I
think
what
everybody's
trying
to
to
state
in
different
ways
is
what's
being
built
there?
Is
it
a
Carousel
and
that's
it
and
it's
300
million
dollars?
Well,
that's
a
really
bad
idea,
but
I
don't
need
to
know
300
billion
dollars
right,
like
I,
just
looked
at
what
you
proposed
here
and
it's
a
bad
idea.
M
So
I
don't
even
want
to
move
forward
with
that
now,
if
it's
everybody's
project
there's
four
projects
that
are
300
million
dollars
and
there's
only
one
that
we
can
afford.
Well,
that's
a
horse
of
a
different
color,
but
I
don't
think
we're
there.
Yet
it's
really
hey
we're
giving
you
the
parameters
of
what
we'd
like
to
see
built.
M
How
close
can
you
get
there?
Okay?
Well
now
we
need
to
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
us.
Maybe
we're
going
to
have
to
to
say.
Well,
we
can't
do
this
one.
We
could
do
that
one
and
that's
getting
us
really
close.
You
know
80
percent
of
what
we
want
those
sorts
of
things,
but
to
just
say
it's
going
to
cost
X.
Well,
I
can't
even
look
at
this,
even
if
it's
exactly
what
I
wanted
you
know,
because
the
money
would
be
clouding
judgment
as
I
think
you
were
trying
to
say.
B
C
I'm
going
to
stick
with
the
plan,
I
kind
of
agree
with
councilman
McGregor,
I
I-
think
that
we've
been
working
on
this
project
for
a
long
time
and
I
think
you
two
have
come
in
and
done
a
wonderful
job
for
the
city
staff
and
the
council
and
I
think
we
need
to
see
the
see
the
vision
of
the
plans
and
go
from
there
and
then
not
worry
about
the
price
right
now.
Just
get
the
see
what
we
we
get
offered
by
the
five
proposals.
C
Q
H
E
And
I
think
I
mean
look
in
going
to
what
councilmember,
Graber
saying
and
just
I
think
saying
it
a
different
way,
maybe
repeating
what
you're
saying
is.
Even
if
we
go
through
the
five
and
we
find
two
or
three
that
we
love
and
we
open
the
pricing
into
two
or
three:
we
don't
love.
We
now
have
an
option
to
go
back.
Hey
we
like
this.
Let's
go,
you
know
we
have
that
option
to
go
back.
That
changes
things
right
that
that's
that's
going
to
happen.
Let's
just
foreshadow
that
that's
gonna
happen,
but.
P
Okay
again,
this
has
been
an
afternoon
a
full
disclosure
things
you
can
do
and
things
that
we're
discouraging
and
your
lawyer
would
kick
me
perhaps
I
have
not
discussed
this
specifically.
Is
you
can't
negotiate
the
proposals
from
the
dice
I
mean
you
can't
do
that
if
you're
standing
here
and
you've
seen
all
the
proposals
and
you've
seen
the
ranking,
you
can't
turn
to
developer
a
and
go
wow.
If
you
added
a
park,
I,
don't
care
about
your
price?
If
you
can't
do
that,
there's
got
to
be
a
much
more.
P
What
we
are
agreeing
is
is
that
at
least
51
percent
of
it.
That
is
your
review,
but
then
you
can't
then
say:
well.
Would
you
trade
this
building
for
a
park
or
this
park
for
a
city
hall
is
because
that
changes
the
Dynamics?
Theoretically
again
talking
about
your
appraisal
that
you
know
720
an
acre
I
think
is
I'm
not
going
to
be
pleased
that
significantly
less
than
that,
that's
going
to
be
my
interpretation.
P
I,
don't
know
what
that
means
at
the
moment,
but-
and
there
is
a
number
out
there-
anchoring
some
people's
review-
the
parks,
the
open
space,
all
the
filigree
that
cost
money
and
theoretically
these
developers
are
acknowledging
that
and
working
through
their
number.
P
So
what
I'm
hearing
to
reinforce
again
from
my
limited
old
person's
point
of
view,
is
we're
saying
it's
at
least
it's
important.
It's
not
as
important
as
the
plan.
Some
of
you,
not
all
of
you
are
saying,
is,
let's
discuss
the
concept.
First,
we're
saying
the
price
is
ever
present:
it's
just
going
to
have
a
lower
weighted
value
in
the
scheme
of
things
and
that
lower
weighted
value,
hopefully
will
be
enough
to
let
you
take
two
very
similar
things
and
go
wow.
P
D
P
Because
we
didn't
know
how
you
were
going
to
react,
it
was
entirely
possible.
You
would
have
said
plan
price
is
as
important
that
already
says
you
know
using
my
41
4951.
It
says
it's
at
least
50
50.
I.
Don't
hear
anybody
saying
that
so
all
we're
debating
about
is
zero
to
Forty
Nine
and
we
don't
think
it's
zero.
D
P
Think
it's
enough
that
you
don't
need
to
let
the
subjective
portion
of
the
the
other
51
percent
get
distorted
by
wow.
These
people
are
offering
just
20
million
bucks,
it's
like
if
they
are
great,
but
if
the
plan's
wrong,
don't
don't
be
tilted
by
that,
so
I
I
think
we're
all
clear
on
where
our
position
is
and,
however,
you
choose
to
do
that,
we're
fine
with
it
and
I.
Think
we've
made
our
views
clear
and
it's
just
Our
advice.
P
Q
C
H
Q
Q
Because
we
are
going
to
work
with
your
city
manager
on
that
topic
to
make
sure
that
we
feel
like
we're
capturing
what
you
know.
The
the
overall
temperature
is
on
this
issue.
So
when
you
get
this
thing
back
and
you
look
at
the
rubric,
if
we've
assigned
you
know
15
to
price
and
you
feel
like
that's
over
or
under
again
we're
gonna,
we
can
have
that
conversation
when
you
see
the
full
RFP
and
how
it
all
comes
together,
because
then
you're
also
going
to
see
all
of
the
other
breakdowns
of
point
awarding
so.
Q
We
need
to
discuss
if
there
are
any
things
that
you
want
to
explicitly
prohibit
in
terms
of
uses.
Now
you
have
a
you,
have
a
zoning
code
that
says
what
uses
are
permitted
there.
You
know
from
the
LOI
it
went
out
as
a
mixed-use
concept,
so
that
could
include
retail
office
Hotel
residential.
You
know
all
of
these
things
are
there
any
uses
that
you
just
want
to
see
removed
from
the
mix
and
if
so,
what
are
those
I'm.
Q
C
The
whole
concept-
I
really
don't-
want
to
see
and
I've
gotten
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
residents
on
this
is
we
they
don't
want.
Another
hotel,
I
think
we
have
enough
hotels
in
our
city,
I
think
that
the
eight
acres
of
land
could
be
developed
with
a
park
and
a
mixed
use
with
retail
space
without
a
hotel
I.
Don't
really
think
we
need
another
hotel.
That
is
the
only
thing
I
don't
want
to
see.
Personally,
myself
is
a
hotel.
B
All
right
so,
as
far
as
our
current
zoning
and
conditional
uses,
all
that
is
still
going
to
apply
we're,
not
I,
don't
think
going
to
be
making
any
exceptions
there
I
understand
where,
in
the
past,
proposals
have
come
for
what
has
been
touted
as
a
potential
unmet
need
for
an
upscale
Hotel,
so
I
could
see
how
yeah
it
makes
sense
is.
Is
it
enough
to
where
it
warrants
that
it's
going
to
have
high
capacity?
I,
don't
know
so
I
can
go
either
way
on
that
I
mean
I.
Do
agree.
B
B
Carving
that
out
as
saying
it
can't
be
done,
it
may
already
take
care
of
itself
based
on
the
market
conditions
and
what
the
developers
are
interested
in.
But
beyond
that
I
mean
I,
think
our
current
restrictions
are
applicable
and-
and
me
personally,
I
haven't
heard
of
anything,
that's
like
well,
let's
make
sure
we
don't
do
this,
it's
a
lot
of
well,
we
want
this.
You
know
in
its
specific,
but
in
general
could
be
described
as
commercial
or
mixed
use.
So.
C
L
Want
to
go
next
yeah,
so
I
I
think
I'm
of
a
similar
opinion
to
council
member
Knapp,
I
I,
wouldn't
across
a
hotel.
You
know
off
the
list.
That's
just
me,
I
think
under
our
permitted
uses
we
have
listed
number
six
under
3.7.2
is
professional
services,
including
medical,
dental
and
Optical
offices.
Real
estate
travel
agencies,
brokerage
houses,
office
supplies.
L
Medical
Dental
that
kind
of
space,
hopefully
the
market,
would
dictate
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
necessarily
think
it's.
L
Talking
more
high
level,
looking
at
the
the
uses
and
exclusions
I
mean
the
only
things
you
know:
prohibited,
lands
and
structures.
We
have
that
in
our
code.
What
I'm
getting
at
is
what
we
have
in
our
code,
I
think
is
sufficient.
I,
don't
know
that
we
should
be
excluding
more
than
is
already
excluded
under
prohibited
uses
under
the
code
got.
D
C
Have
one
more
comment
that
I
wanted
to
add,
since
the
current
hurricane
in
that
destroyed,
Fort,
Myers
I
also
don't
want
a
parking
garage.
I
think
that
the
developer
should
focus
on
the
parking
underneath
whenever
they
decide
to
build
up
I
think
they
should
have
the
parking
below.
So
in
case
that
we
do
have
a
catastrophic
storm
that
if
you
see
some
of
the
buildings
in
Fort
Myers
that
got
destroyed
that
have
parking
on
the
bottom.
The
town,
homes
above
or
the
apartments
are
above
were
saved.
So
that
was
another
thing.
C
Q
Q
B
C
Q
E
I,
there's
nothing
that
I
would
specifically
remove
I
agree
with
the
hotel
right
taking
that
off,
but
my
my
concern
we're
talking
sense
of
place,
we're
talking
community
and
in
my
head,
I,
think
of
a
renter
versus
an
owner
and
I'm
thinking.
It's
not
apartments
that
I
would
like
to
see
there
I'd
like
to
see
condos
or
ownership
units,
not
Apartments,
I,
think
Apartments
become
too
transient
and
I
think
that
the
building
will
deteriorate
in
time
over
time.
If
there's
not
an
HOA
or
something
keeping
that
apartment
up
and
running.
P
Goes
back
to
the
point
structure:
I
mean
I
I
get
we.
We
don't
know
what
that
point
to
our
creates,
which
is
why
we're
having
this
discussion.
It
may
very
well
be
the
middle
ground
and
you
can
do
exactly
what
you
want
to
do.
There's
zero
points,
if
it's
rental,
okay,
for
the
sake
of
discussion,
it
could
also
be
10
points
if
it's
rental
30
points,
if
it's
condominium,
okay
I
mean
you,
you
are
free
to
do
what
you
wish,
because
it's
your
property.
P
Q
So
we
do
not
have
consensus
to
exclude
anything
or
to
award
priority
weight
to
anything
correct
because
I've
got
one
that
said
no
to
hotels,
but
nobody
else
agreed
on
no
to
hotels
and
I've
got
one
that
says
they'd
like
to
wait.
Ownership
versus
rental
occupancy
units
in
the
scoring
rubric.
Is
there
any
other.
M
C
C
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
guys
are
clear
with
that
to
the
council:
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
a
apartment,
complex,
a
townhome
collapse,
a
retail
space
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
either
so
I
think
we're
council
member
baber
said
we're
going
to
open
up
the
door
and
let
it
go.
Let's
see
what
we
get
so.
M
C
C
The
reason
I
want
to
explain
the
hotel,
councilmember
Gannon,
because
I
think
with
covid
and
after
being
with
as
mayor
going
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
to
we
mean
business.
We
went
to
the
Hyatt,
we
went
to
different
hotels
and
after
meeting
with
the
owners
of
those
hotels,
they
basically
said
that
their
attendance
is
down
because
a
lot
of
the
employees
in
our
city
are
working
from
home,
they're
not
coming
in
from
out
of
town
anymore
and
coming
here.
So
the
hotel
occupancy
rate
is
lower.
Q
Well,
I
mean
if
there's
a
if
you
all
say
you
know,
we
want
to
think
about
this
as
a
low
priority
use.
Therefore,
we'd
like
to
see
it,
you
know,
in
that
condition
we
like
to
see
points
you
know
awarded
a
little
less
favorably
to
the
following.
We
can
do
that.
I
think
our
intent
here
was
just
to
make
sure
that
there
was
no
outright
opposition
to
a
specific
use
on
this
site,
meaning
you
know,
do
you
want
them
to
not
have
any
office
use?
Do
you
want?
You
know?
Q
No
Hotel,
do
you
want
you
know?
Is
there
a
reason
or
a
really
hard
line
you
want
to
draw
on
a
specific
use,
because
that
way,
the
proposals
you
get
understand
that
use
is
not
desired
on
this
site.
Therefore,
please
don't
include
it
and
in
the
event
that
it
were
included,
there
will
be
deductions
for
that
purpose,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
not
an
explicit
desire
to
just
blanketly
exclude.
There
may
be
some
preference
for
one
thing
over
the
other,
but
you've
either
consider
that
at
the
time
that
you're
ranking
them
right.
L
Q
Q
Like
we
would
reach
a
consensus
on
how
to
weight
those
uses
because
it
sounds
like
everybody
would
have
their
own
personal
preference,
probably
so
I,
don't
think
that's
what
we
do
know
now.
Is
you
don't
want
to
ex
just
outright
say,
don't
build
this
or
don't
include
this
in
your
mixture
of
uses?
You'd
rather
see
them
just
propose
what
they
think
the
market
is
most
responsive.
Q
Q
Other
than
the
desire
for
there
to
be
public
space,
which
is
pretty
explicitly
stated
in
the
vision
and
the
mission
that
was
come
up
with
for
this
site,
there's
no
other
inclusionary
components
like
things
you
want
to
see
in
the
site
other
than
that
public
component
and
a
public
element
there.
For
you,
know
the
general
public
to
enjoy
and
utilize
correct,
I.
Q
H
D
Q
Q
All
right,
so
so
the
last
kind
of
I
think
well.
One
of
the
last
topics
related
to
this
element
is
going
to
be.
Is
there
a
desire
to
award
any
type
of
preference
for
experience
in
terms
of
local
experience
in
Pinellas
County
or
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Metro,
you
know.
Is
there
any
desire
to
sort
of
award
points
in
that
realm,
or
are
you
just
open
to
the
best
plan.
Q
Priority
or
Point
structure
specific
to
their
local
presence,
if
they're,
if
they're
a
local
vendor,
if
they've
done
projects
here
before,
if
they
have
a
local,
you
know
if
they
are
based
out
of
you
know
the
Tri-County
region
kind.
L
Mean
for
me
it's
the
best
plan
is
the
best
plan,
but
I
personally
can
say
that
the
letters
of
intent
that
came
back
that
were
from
local
people,
in
my
opinion,
better
captured
what
we're
looking
for,
because
they've
done
it
they've
been
here
yep.
So
so
you
think
that
will
correct
I
think
that
will
naturally
take
care
of
itself.
L
Q
Q
It's
been
my
understanding,
based
on
our
prior
conversations
and
also
in
discussions
with
staff
that
you're
not
looking
to
offer
any
specific
type
of
incentive
or
present
those
related
to
this
you're.
Looking
specifically
to
the
land
to
be
that
facilitator.
Is
that
still
accurate.
Q
Q
Is
there
anything
you
think
we
should
that
you
think
we
Minister
that
you
want
to
make
sure
that
we've
considered
in
preparing
this,
because
when
we
leave
here
we're
gonna,
just
pen
to
paper
and
start
sketching,
this
thing
out
we're
going
to
be
working
with
your
staff
on
that
as
well.
To
hopefully
get
something
you
know
substantively
complete
and
ready
for
staff
to
really
fully
review
all
together
towards
the
end
of
this
month,
so
that
you
all
can
consider
that
you
know
polish
draft
at
your
meeting
in
February
and.
Q
H
Q
C
Actually,
personally,
like
the
second
council
meeting
in
February,
if
you
could
have
something
by
that,
not.
O
O
About
that,
so
he
meant
before
we
ranked
not
before.
L
Q
H
E
One
question
because
going
back
to
the
prior
plan
we
had
that
was
on
the
table
prior
to
this
Council.
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
amount
of
space
on
the
first
floor.
Walkable
space
walk
without
town
that
was
actually
contributed
to
the
apartment,
so
it
was
private
property
in
essence,
and
how
much
was
usable
by
the
residents
is
that
something
we
bring
up
now
or
is
that
something
we
bring
up
in
the
scoring.
Q
I
think
that's
something
we
want
to
make
sure
goes
into
the
scoring
condition.
So
then,
if
they
include
spaces
that
are
isolated
specifically
for
private
use,
that
we
would
score
those
appropriately
I
mean,
should
they
propose?
You
know
a
a
private
swimming
pool
for
a
condominium,
complex
I
think
we
would
have
to
factor
that
in
because
that
would
need
to
be
fenced
and
gated
and
not
open
to
the
public,
obviously,
but
in
terms
of
pedestrian
connectivity
and
flow
I
think
we
can
certainly
add
that
into
a
scoring
system.
Yeah.
L
The
the
letter
that
you
guys
sent
us
the
memo,
August
10
2022,
where
you
talked
about
the
summary
of
the
July
20
public
meeting
about
the
vision
creation
of
the
vision
statement.
There
are
a
lot
of
good
comments,
similar
to
what
Vice
Mayors
bring
under
livability
and
performance
like
a
place.
That's
relevant,
marketable
walkable
safety,
Green,
Space,
environmental
features,
management
structure
for
programming
and
coordinating
events,
human
scale,
architecture,
Charming
experience.
You
know
all
that
was
kind
of
like
in
your
summary.
I
know.
That's
a
lot,
but
but.
Q
Q
Point
it's
in
the
LOI
as
well,
so
when
they
read
the
LOI,
the
mission
and
vision
stuff
was
in
there
and
the
full.
All
of
that
was
available
on
your
website
in
terms
of
the
video
footage
from
that
public
Workshop,
where
we
walk
through.
All
of
that,
that's
all
there
for
anyone
to
review
and
consider
so.
Okay.
Q
M
Into
that,
yes,
yeah
I
think
with
all
the
work
that
we've
done
leading
up
to
this
point.
It's
been,
let
us
know,
and
then
we've
got
to
let
the
potential
developers
know
hey
we.
This
needs
to
be
walkable
and
there's
got
to
be
open.
There's
got
to
be
green
space.
There's
got
to
be
some
sort
of
interactive
public
space
where
it's
just
not
the
people
who
they
live
there,
which
is
what
I
think
we're
trying
to
say.
Yeah.
H
P
I'm
glad
you
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up.
One
thing
we
might
want
to
consider
in
in
the
request
for
proposal
is,
you
know,
as
we
request
these
public
spaces
or
these
publicly
accessible
spaces
is
are.
Are
we
saying
that
these
are
spaces
that
we're
going
to
assume
public
responsibility,
for
you
know
for
the
sake
of
discussion,
perhaps
as
part
of
our
parks
and
open
space
budget,
or
are
we
saying
we
want
it,
but
we're
expecting
you
to
maintain
and
keep
it
up.
P
P
You
know
what
what
are
you
doing
versus?
What
are
you
asking
them
to
do?
Let's
spell
it
out
here.
So
if
there
are
anything
else
on
that
list
which
which
we
do
feel
strongly
about
and
we're
going
to
address,
but
we
hadn't
really
talked
about
how
economically
or
financially
someone
would
assume
responsibility
for
them,
but
it
does
beg
those
kinds
of
questions
again.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
negotiate
it
later.
P
C
H
O
However,
however,
you
know
it
depends
on
on
the
proposal
and
so
May
I
make
a
suggestion
to
the
council
that
we
that
you
all
may
want
to
consider.
O
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
today,
and
so
you
know
I
when
the
RFP
and
and
polish
draft
form
is
brought
back,
we
can
devote
a
significant
amount
of
time
at
that
point
or
or
host
another
work
session
to
discuss
because
then
you'll
see
where
the
weights
are
and
the
scoring
and
it
might
be
an
opportunity
to
have
a
you
know:
hey
we've
we've
forgot
about
this.
We
really
want
to
add
this.
O
It
kind
of
after
after
we
have
a
draft
I
would
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
we
take
a
bigger
block
of
time,
whether
it's
a
work
session
or
council
meeting
I
think
a
work
session.
We've
been
here
for
almost
four
hours
at
this
point.
Another
work
session
I
would
put
I.