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B
G
B
B
We
will
have
time
for
public
comments
later
in
the
meeting
and,
as
patrick
said
previously,
please
keep
your
microphones
muted
during
the
meeting
and
then
raise
your
hand
to
be
called
to
speak
at
the
appropriate
time
and
then
unmute
your
microphones
and
there's
a
request
not
to
use
the
chat
feature
in
zoom.
B
The
one
thing
I
would
like
to
announce
is
that
commissioner
john
goins
has
resigned
from
the
commission.
He
sent
a
message
today,
I'd
like
to
thank
him
on
behalf
of
all
the
commissioners
for
the
the
work
that
he's
done
on
the
commission.
I
believe
he
started
in
the
year.
2017.
B
The
next
item
actually
is
not
on
the
agenda
in
front
of
you.
It's
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
I
made
a
little
mistake
when
I
did
the
first
edit
of
the
agenda
for
this
meeting
and
deleted
the
item
for
acceptance
of
agenda,
so
we
will
go
forward
with
that.
I
don't
think
it's
a
problem.
The
agenda
was
emailed
and
posted
on
thursday
july
16th
for
city
policy.
Is
there
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda?
A
Can
I
just
request
one
minor
change
sure
to
the
agenda?
I
was
just
going
to
request
that
we
move
up
the
discussion
of
the
the
demonstration
garden
and
the
airport
turf
conversion
so
that
todd
holmes
who's
here
to
give
that
presentation
can
can
do
it
before
we
do
the
old
business.
B
That
makes
sense,
we've
had
a
motion
in
a
second,
I
presume
everybody
will
accept
that
minor
change
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
agenda
as
modified.
B
The
next
item
is
a
new
new
one.
Since
we
haven't
met
since
february
and
five
months
there
have
been
five
months
that
have
passed
since
we've
met
and
those
those
have
been
challenging
times.
Manager
talarico,
and
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
start
up
off
with
having
giving
everybody
a
chance
to
speak.
Perhaps
a
an
icebreaker
and
making
brief
comments
on
the
subject
we
have
listed
there
on
the
agenda
share
one
sustainability
themed
insight
you
have
gained
during
the
past
five
months.
B
Clearly
we
weren't
prepared
for
covid,
and
but
it
got
me
thinking
about
global
warming
and
climate
change.
We
certainly
need
to
fight
global
warming
and
climate
change,
and
we
don't
know
what
the
manifest
manifestations
will
be
in
terms
of
human
and
animal
health,
food
supplies,
water
supplies
and
so
forth,
but
planning
to
respond
to
whatever
effects.
We
have
really
should
be
part
of
the
part
of
the
thinking
going
forward.
F
I
think
that
in
the
midst
of
any
sort
of
crisis
like
this,
there
are
opportunities
that
present
themselves
and
the
trust
for
public
land
had
contacted
me
regarding
interest
from
the
folks
that
saved
osweck
canyon
in
working
with
tpl
to
acquire
some
of
the
golf
courses
in
palm
springs
that
might
be
for
sale
so
that
they're
preserved
for
best
use,
open
space
and
recreational
use,
and
I
think
that
it's
a
great
idea
to
take
those
kind
of
opportunities
in
in
the
midst
of
such
times
and
tpl
would
love
to
be
able
to
come
to
our
september
commission
meeting
and
present
their
ideas
on
those
acquisitions.
B
F
Can
I
add
one:
am
I
unmuted
yeah
you're
good?
Okay,
I
I've
seen
a
number
of
times
in
both
in
palm
springs
and
now
that
I'm
up
here
in
san
francisco
for
a
couple
weeks,
shops
and
stores
that
have
taken
over
the
parking
space
in
front
of
them
they've
taken
over
the
sidewalk.
I
was
just
down
walking
through
san
francisco
and
the
castro
and
they
actually
have
moved
a
gym
out
into
the
sidewalk
in
the
parking
street
parking
spaces.
F
It
seems
a
little
weird,
but
there
are
people
exercising
and
socializing
and
I'm
all
for
getting
up
a
parking
space
if
it
means
people
can
get
outside.
So
I
think
there's
some
interesting
and
valuable
things
we're
learning
about
what
can
be
done
to
free
up
some
space
that
was
previously
commandeered
by
automobiles.
C
G
I
I
had
a
news
flash
from
the
california
energy
commission
and
it's
interesting
because
I
have
I've
gotten
this,
but
I
don't
I'm
not.
I
follow
the
news
and
I
don't
see
where
it's
come
up
yet,
but
it's
titled
new
data
shows
nearly
two-thirds.
G
Two-Thirds
of
california's
electricity
came
from
carbon
free
sources
in
2019
and
at
first
I
thought.
Oh
well.
Certainly
everybody
is
you
know,
has
heard
about
this,
but
I'm
not
seeing
it
publicized.
I
think
they're
checking
it
over
and
whatnot,
but
here
we
are,
I
mean
we
weren't
even
in
covet
at
that
time.
G
Obviously,
there's
been
a
huge
diminution
of
carbon
carbon
using
sources
of
energy.
At
this
point
of
time
I
mean
you
know
like
minus
values
and
oil
companies
and
major
oil
companies
in
california,
going
through
bankruptcy
and
such
and
it's
it
in
2019,
cec.
California,
energy
commission
estimates
that
36
of
the
state's
retail
electricity
sales
were
provided
by
renewables
portfolio
standard
and
those
are
eligible
sources
such
as
solar
and
wind.
That's
36
that
exceeds
california's
33
percent
requirement
of
retail
sales
sales
come
from
rps
eligible
sources
by
2020.
G
When
sources
of
carbon
free
energy,
such
as
large
hydroelectric
generation
and
nuclear,
are
included,
63
of
the
state's
electricity
retail
sales
come
from
non-fossil
fuel
sources
in
2019,
so
they're,
you
know
looking
at
this
data
again
and
it
looks
it
looks
to
be
so.
We
we
had
the
senate
bill
100,
which
was
signed
into
law
in
2018,
and
it
accelerated
the
expectation
so
that
the
goal
would
be
60
by
2030,
which
we've
already
met.
G
B
D
I
I
am
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
later
about
this
mesquite
desert
preserve
concept
that
greg
mentioned,
but
but
I
I
wasn't
going
to
mention
in
that
area,
another
initiative
that
we've
got
as
part
of
this
and
full
disclosure
here,
I'm
on
the
board
of
save
oswa
canyon
incorporated
and
that
getting
us
this
desert
preserve
together,
and
this
is
kind
of
our
our
primary
activity
right
now.
D
So
what
I've
been
doing
during
the
my
covid
vacation
is
going
down
to
takes
creek
virtually
every
day
and
and
measuring
where
it
stopped
flowing
from
about
the
end
of
april
to
to
when
it
it
reached
the
the
hypothetical
western
side
of
our
preserve,
which
is
sunrise
and-
and
that
happened
on
like
june
1st.
D
So
and
then
I've
been
correlating
that,
with
with
the
flow
rate,
there's
actually
a
measuring
station
up
in
the
canyon
that
the
usgs
has
been
running
since
1949
and
they
update
its
flow
rate,
every
15
minutes
in
real
time.
D
So
the
point
of
doing
all
this
is
there
is
a
river
that
runs
through
tucson
and
pima.
County
in
tucson
has
already
implemented
a
program
where
they're
taking
their
waste
water
from
their
wastewater
treatment
plants
and
recharging
the
creek
with
it
so
you're
getting
year-round
flow.
D
Now
and-
and
I
was
thinking
well
boy-
does
that
sound
like
a
good
idea
for
for
our
creek,
especially
since,
if
we
are
able
to
buy
the
golf
courses,
the
water
that
they're
using
for
irrigation
now
gets
freed
up
for
another
use,
and
also
it
turns
out
that
the
city's
wastewater
about
2
million
gallons
a
day
actually
is
just
going
into
percolation
ponds.
D
It's
not
getting
used
for
for
any
purpose,
so
we've
got
a
fair
bit
of
water
at
our
disposal
to
to
carry
forward
with
this,
and
the
barrier
at
this
point
is
regulatory.
D
The
question
is
what
kind
of
regulations
there
are
on
water
that
recharges
our
aquifer
and
and
whether
we
can
get
there
with
our
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
then
the
the
water
that
goes
from
there
to
the
the
city's
facility
that
then
cleans
it
up
in
order
for
irrigation.
C
C
B
One
change
that
has
come
about,
though,
is
that
grocery
stores
are
allowing
people
to
bring
their
reusable
bags
in
I've
done
that
the
last
couple
of
times
that
I've
gone
and
I've
used
the
self-service-
and
I
just
bagged
myself
magnum
myself,
but
I
was
feeling
the
same
way
about
the
huge
number
of
plastic
bags
that
I
got
every
time
I
went
to
the
grocery
store.
C
That
is
positive,
is
so
many
people
in
my
neighborhood
are
walking
and
biking
and
all
of
our
cars
are
super
dirty
because
nobody's
driving
very
much
anymore,
and
I
know
that
that's
happening
across
the
world
that
you
know
the
pollution
reduction
is
just
allowing
nature,
mother
nature
to
kind
of
breathe
and
come
back
a
little
bit,
and
I
think
that
you
know
something
had
to
happen
to
stop
humans
in
our
tracks,
because
we
were
just
you
know
going
on
business
as
usual,
and
so
I
think
it's
been
a
really
good
pause
and
I
think
people
are
just
thinking
about
health
and
wellness
a
lot
more,
and
you
know
what
makes
us
feel
good,
and
many
of
us
are
on
the
computer
more
so
we're
zooming
and
using
this
technology
to
connect-
and
you
know,
with
our
environmental
art
contest,
it
was
a
little
bit
odd.
C
We
didn't
have
as
many
entries,
but
you
know
we're
just
making
do
and
being
more
creative
in
some
ways
to
be
able
to
still
do
the
things
that
are
important
that
we
want
to
do
so.
I
love
I'm
meeting
my
neighbors
and
everyone's
walking
their
dogs
and
it's
pretty
beautiful.
So
looking
for
the
silver
linings.
H
Patrick,
if
I
can
speak
for
a
second,
my
insight
is
since
kovid
I've
been
reducing
as
much
as
possible
my
food
shopping
trips
and
relying
on
my
garden.
It
is
possible
to
grow
a
fair
amount
here
in
palm
springs.
Obviously
not
right
now
in
the
summer,
but
through,
I
would
say
late.
May
I
had
regular
supply
of
tomatoes
and
kale
and
and
chard
and
lettuce,
so
I
I
certainly
want
to
encourage
people
to
to
make
their
gardens
grow.
H
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
new
planting
season,
it's
a
lot
of
work,
but
I
have
been
able
to
rely
a
lot
on,
if
not
being
completely
food
sufficient
self-sufficient.
A
lot
of
my
fruits
and
vegetables
now
come
come
from
my
garden
and
it
isn't
that
large.
So
I
want
to
encourage
that
and
hopefully
we'll
see
some
more
people
who
are
who
are
planting
getting
rid
of
some
of
their
grass,
because
that's
something
dwa
will
support
through
their
their
rebates
and
plan
the
gardens
in
their
state.
B
Well,
thank
you
all
for,
for
speaking
and
now
we
can
move
on
to
staff
comments,
patrick.
I
realized
that
when
we
moved
up
the
item
about
the
demonstration
gardens,
we
didn't
decide
where
it
should
go.
B
So
we
just
go
through
staff
comments
and
public
comments
and
meeting
minutes
and
then
do
the
demonstration
gardens
at
that
point.
B
A
Yeah,
so
I
included
several
things
in
there
that
have
been
going
on
since
we
last
met,
including
a
little
bit
on
earth
day
activities
that
we
tried
to
do
virtually
a
little
bit
on
the
pedestrian
safety
and
safe
routes
to
schools,
work
that
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
later.
A
The
greenhouse
gas
inventory
is
kicking
off
and
they're
actually
starting
their
research
now,
so
we
should
have
something
actually
before
our
next
meeting
in
september,
we
did
a
little
announcements
about
plastic
free
july,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
watch
psc
tv
at
all,
but
we've
got
some
slides
that
are
filtering
through
there
now
on
recycling
and
ones
on
plastic
free
july.
So
those
are
those
are
kind
of
rotating
around.
A
In
on
psc
tv,
we
finally
got
out
the
the
rfp
on
eb
charging
expansion,
which
I'm
super
excited
about,
and
then
we
did
we.
I
was
working
with
david
friedman
on
some
updates
to
the
climate
action
road
map,
which
we
will
talk
in
more
depth
about
in
september
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
that
up
to
date,
and
then
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
of
other
things
that
weren't
on
there.
A
One
is
just
a
reminder:
it
feels
like
it's
been
going
on
for
a
really
long
time,
but
the
dce
actually
launched
in
april.
So
thanks
to
all
of
you
that
have
been
involved
in
that
process
and
we
have
actually
been
pretty
much
on
target
in
terms
of
the
opt-in
rates,
opt-out
rates,
so
we're
still
above,
I
think,
90
or
so
with
regard
to
the
opt-in,
to
the
full
carbon-free
option,
which
is
awesome
and
it
actually
has
been
turning
out
to
cost
less
than
we
thought
it
did.
A
So
it's
really
a
very
small
premium
on
people's
bills,
and
now
all
almost
everybody
is
carbon
free
and
those
folks
that
chose
desert
saver
are
saving
even
more
than
we
thought.
So
that's
awesome,
an
awesome
start.
We
did
have
a
few
questions
and
issues
and
concerns
from
some
residents
and
we
hopefully
addressed
those
as
we
got
them
and
so
anyway.
So
I
think
we're
we're
moving
forward
with
that
in
a
good
way,
and
so
we'll
I'm
sure
others
may
have
some
more
to
say
about
that
later
on.
A
In
their
comments,
then
the
I
wanted
to
let
everybody
know
that
we
have
reorganized
a
little
bit
in
our
office,
so
our
office
is
now
part
of
the
the
development
services
office,
and
so
basically
now
I
report
to
flynn
who's
head
of
that
office
and
now
we're
being
called
the
sustainability
division.
A
So
we're
a
little
bit
more
integrated
into
planning
and
building
services,
which
is
kind
of
interesting,
because
we
and
engineering,
because
we
I
work
with
them
all
the
time.
So
it
provides
us
with
a
little
bit
more
platform
and
entree
into
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
maybe
more
insights
into
the
projects
that
they've
got
going
on.
A
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that
reorganization
and
to
see
how
that
plays
out
and
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
talking
about
more
in
the
future,
is
the
desire
to
integrate
our
sustainability
work
more
into
the
general
plan.
A
So
to
kind
of
take
our
work
and
and
have
it
as
part
of
that
general
plan.
I
still
think
we
can
pull
it
out
and
have
our
own
separate
document,
but
but
haven't
we
more
integrated
into
the
general
plan
and
again
we'll
talk
more
about
that
as
we
go
forward
in
the
fall
and
then,
since
carl
brought
it
up,
the
plastic
bag
ban
is
back
into
effect.
A
We
sent
letters
to
all
of
the
major
retailers
last
week,
reminding
them
that
those
single-use
plastic
bags
are
not
okay,
anymore,
we're
giving
them
until
august
15th
to
convert
back
over
and
at
that
time,
we'll
go
around
and
do
little
audits
to
some
of
the
facilities
to
make
sure
that
they're
complying
and
so
looking
forward
to
that.
Getting
back
to
the
way
things
were,
but
again
some
of
the
some
of
the
stores
still
do
require
you
to
bag.
A
Your
own
groceries
and
I
did
talk
to
jensen's,
which
was
one
of
the
primary
ones.
That
would
not
let
you
bring
your
bags
into
the
stores,
and
I
just
reminded
them
that
this
this
band
is
going
away
or
the
band's
coming
back
and
suggested
that
they
change
their
policy.
So
I
think
that
they
will
be
changing
their
policy
soon
too.
So
so.
A
The
radar-
and
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
mention,
which
is
the
last
thing
on
here,
which
is
gary
calhoun's
retirement,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
were
sort
of
robbed
of
in
our
last
in
the
cancellation
of
our
last
meeting,
was
that
we
were
going
to
announce
that
gary
was
retiring,
so
gary
has
retired,
and
so
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
gary
was
our
recycling
coordinator
ever
since
2008.
A
He
has
always
helped
us
out
at
the
various
events
that
we've
had
in
terms
of
setup.
Take
down
answered
people's
questions.
A
He
also
did
a
lot
of
rounds
to
the
various
businesses
in
town
to
assess
their
recycling
practices
and
to
help
them
understand
what
their
requirements
were
and
to
audit
some
of
the
construction
jobs
that
were
around
town
and,
of
course,
he
consistently
reported
out
on
all
of
those
activities
to
the
sustainability
commission.
So
we
really
appreciate
his
efforts
over
the
year
of
the
years
and
we
certainly
he
certainly
has
been
an
asset
to
this
city.
So
we
we
appreciate
his
work
and
wish
him
the
best
in
his
retirement.
A
He
did
have
a
little
health
setback
a
couple
months
ago,
so
we
hope
that
he
is
on
the
road
to
recovery.
So,
and
I
think
that's
it
on
my
comments.
Unless
people
have
questions
about
anything
that
you
saw
in
writing
or
that
I
just
mentioned
david.
H
One
maybe
two
things
yep
on
eb
chargers
on
this
is
in
the
public
comment
that
I
made
to
council
just
actually
to
get.
I
give
folks
an
update,
in
addition
to
patrick's
work
for
the
city
installed,
ev
chargers.
The
city
council
last
month
adopted
an
ordinance
that
goes
slightly
beyond
the
state
code
and
requires
ev
chargers
for
new
and
expanded
commercial
development.
H
So
that's
good,
but
in
connection
with
that,
if
you
could
follow
up
with
the
relevant
folks
to
see
if
you
can
get
the
ab
1236
ordinance
back
on
the
council
agenda,
that's
now
a
state
law
that
we
were
supposed
to
have
implemented
three
years
ago.
It
was
on
the
council
agenda
for
march
12th
and,
of
course,
the
agenda.
H
So
if
you
could
follow
up
with
them,
that's
actually
a
sort
of
a
fast
track
for
in
the
private
sector,
people
able
to
to
get
their
ev
charger
permits
installed
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
tweak
which
I
can
work
on
for
the
materials
on
the
website,
which
need
to
be
updated
to
reflect
the
state
requirements.
H
So
if
you
could
push
that
button
up
the
with
the
folks
and
perhaps
in
the
one
of
the
september
meetings
get
back
on
the
agenda
and
will
you
be
discussing
the
general
plan
steering
committee
in
the
place
of
former
commissioner
coins?
Yep
okay
refer
my
comment
on
that.
To
that
moment,
thank
you
sounds
good.
B
This
time
is
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission.
The
commission
values
your
comments,
but
pursuant
to
the
brown
act
cannot
take
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
are
assigned
for
each
speaker.
B
Is
there
anybody
present
from
from
the
public?
Who
would
like
to
make
comments
at
this
time?.
I
Okay,
so
I
was
excited.
I
was
at
the
desert
water
agency's
board
meeting
this
morning.
When
commissioner
friedman
spoke
about
this
upcoming
project
at
the
airport,
I
had
not
understood
that
it
was
as
far
along
as
it
seems
to
be.
I
was
quite
excited
to
see
some
of
the
results.
I
did
go
on
after
that
meeting
with
the
dwa
to
observe
the
concept
materials.
I
Some
of
you
may
remember
about
12
years
ago,
when
I
was
on
the
architecture
advisory
committee,
and
we
first
encountered
a
redesign
of
landscape
in
the
terminal
area,
the
interior
terminal
area
of
the
airport,
which
became
quite
contentious,
going
from
a
very
tropical
grass-heavy
design
into
something
that
was
far
more
appropriate
for
a
desert
environment.
So
I'm
very
pleased
to
see
that
this
is
sort
of
the
next
evolution.
It
would
appear
just
kind
of
general
comments
about
the
the
concepts
looking
at
the
two
that
are
present
for
the
center
area.
I
I
I
might
my
senses
is
almost
sort
of
like
a
little
bit
of
a
park
setting
leading
from
the
terminal
out
towards
the
city
heart.
It
seems
to
me
that
if
that
is
sort
of
the
concepts
that
are
being
considered,
that
the
first
with
the
diagonal
walkways
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
more
conducive
to
that
for
sort
of
having
a
place
for
people
to
sit
and
rest
and
sort
of
contemplate
the
concerns
I
do
have
I
just.
I
know
this
is
again
a
concept
and
we
haven't.
I
You
haven't
really
identified
the
plant
material
and
such,
but
my
my
concern
always
goes
back
to
the
maintenance,
and
I
I
would
say
that,
overall,
this
city
public
spaces
tend
not
to
be
well
maintained
in
the
long
run
as
particularly
as
it
relates
to
so-called
desert
landscaping,
and
in
particular
I
would
call
out
the
wildflower
garden
and
the
the
edible
gardens
which
you
know
in
our
climate
will
vary,
will
be
very
seasonal.
I
The
the
focus
really
should
be
on
letting
the
planets
just
do
their
thing
and
not
try
to
crowd
them
in
and
then
have
somebody
having
to
prune
them
all
the
time.
So
I
was
happy
to
see
some
of
the
concepts
for
the
for
that
median
area
on
kirk
douglas
and
also
on
the
corner
of
gene
autry
and
ramon.
I
think
those
are
at
least
conceptually
seen
to
be
really
nice
layouts
that
allow
the
plants
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
without
a
lot
of
human
intervention.
I
In
my
practice,
I
find
that
it's,
the
least
amount
of
humor
human
intervention
you
can
build
into
a
design
is
probably
the
best,
especially
in
this
public
situation,
where,
where
maintenance
and
funding
for
maintenance
may
not
be
a
top
priority
or
in
terms
of
budgeting,
but
overall
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
that,
and
I
encourage
you
guys
to
move
forward,
and
I
know
that
you
have
the
funding
from
dwa
in
the
state.
So
that's
that's
wonderful.
Thank
you.
B
D
E
B
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
now
we'll
we'll
move
on.
This
is
the
point
that
we've
decided
to
move
the
first
item
under
new
business
to
the
recommendation
for
the
demo
garden
and
turf
conversion
at
the
airport.
Would
you
like
to
start
us
off
patrick.
A
Sure
so,
thank
you,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned
tonight,
we've
got
todd
holmes
from
david
evans
inc
here
to
help
us
walk
through
the
design
ideas.
As
you
may
recall,
dwa
had
applied
for
a
grant
to
do
a
demonstration
garden
at
the
airport
or
another
city
facility,
and
so
in
anticipation
of
that
grant,
we
engaged
david
evans
in
to
help
us
think
through
design
options
and
they
were
able
to
come
out.
Do
a
little
site.
A
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
come
out
of
this
conversation
with
a
recommended
design
and
it's
fine
to
have
some
additional
comments
and
tweaks
to
that
design,
but
we'd
like
to
get
some
clear
sense
of
direction
on
what
to
move
forward
with
in
terms
of
a
general
design
concept,
because
the
next
step
would
be
for
us
to
present
this
to
the
airport
commission
to
let
them
know
that
this
is
what
the
sustainability
commission
is
recommending
and
then
move
it
forward
to
city
council.
A
So
that's
kind
of
the
process
to
move
it
through
the
system
and
again
I
think
we're
mostly
focused
on
the
demonstration
garden,
but
we
also
wanted
to
share
the
ideas
that
we
had
for
the
rest
of
the
turf
conversion
project
as
well.
So,
as
you
may
recall,
we
were
trying
to
line
up
various
turf
conversion
projects
at
the
airport
that,
as
we
get
money,
we
would
just
sort
of
go
through
and
address
those
projects
as
we
as
we
get
the
funds.
A
So
so
that's
where
we
are
and
any
questions
before.
I
turn
it
over
to
todd
and
then
I'm
gonna
share
my
screen
too
so
that'll
be
exciting.
A
A
And
so
we
incorporated
some
of
those
comments
into
this.
The
designs
that
we
shared
here
for
the
meeting
so
ty
can
kind
of
go
through
that
and
any
other
ideas
that
we
had.
That
may
not
be
reflected
here
yet
so
so
todd
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
E
Okay,
so
so
patrick
we're
gonna
go
ahead,
we're
gonna
do
the
geometric
we're
gonna
show
you
both.
C
E
Okay,
so
to
when
we
looked
at
the
location
of
the
demonstration
garden
looking
at
the
airport
site,
this
seemed
like.
C
E
Ideal
location
in
terms
of
it's
highly
visible,
which
is
an
important
characteristic
of
the
demonstration
garden
and
it
seemed
like
a
really
good
candidate.
So
this
was
the
location
that
we
selected,
so
I
think
everyone's
probably
familiar
enough
with
the
airport
to
know
to
be
able
to
orient.
You
can
see
the
fountain
to
the
left
there.
E
The
terminal
would
be
to
the
right
so
this
in
looking
at
this
area
as
a
potential
site,
one
of
the
things
that
was
very
important,
that
we
recognized
right
off
the
bat
was
it's
a
very
strong
visual
connection
between
the
fountain
and
the
terminal
and
the
view
of
the
mountains
in
the
distance.
So
they
felt
very
strongly
that
we
wanted
to
preserve
that
that
that
view
and
not
block
it
so
trees
were
one
of
the
things.
We
decided
that
this
would
not
be
a
suitable
environment
to
plant
trees
to
interfere
with
that.
E
So
that
was
one
of
the
constraints
that
we
recognize.
Another
is
circulation.
You
can
see.
There
are
crosswalks
in
between
the
sections.
We
realized
that
we
wanted
to
direct
people
to
the
crosswalks
and
not
encourage
people
to
try
to
cross
mid-block.
So
that
was
another
aspect
of
the
design.
Then
we
did
two
different
concepts
we
wanted.
We
did.
This
is
the
concept
that
we
did.
That
was
to
kind
of
reflect
some
of
the
geometric
forms.
E
You
can
kind
of
see
around
the
fountain
one
aspect
of
this
that
we
always
want
to
know
when
we
look
at
plans.
These
are
really
ideal
from
like
the
perspective
of
a
passing
helicopter
passenger,
but
a
lot
of
times
when
you're
on
the
ground.
These.
E
Sometimes
these
geometric
forms
don't
read
as
strongly,
and
so
that's
something
to
keep
in
mind
in
terms
of
looking
at
these
that
how
much
that
would
be
really
something
that
would
be
picked
up
by
someone
at
eye
level
and
then
one
of
the
things
that
was
desired
in
the
scope
was
to
demonstrate
synthetic
turf.
E
What
that
would
look
like
so
the
designs
we
incorporated
synthetic
turf
and
then
we
also
wanted
to
demonstrate
or
have
a
variety
of
types
of
plant
materials,
and
I
think
the
comments
earlier
in
the
public
comment
were
spot
on
in
terms
of
the
challenges
with
the
particularly
the
edible
garden.
I
think
with
that
would
be
probably
more
than
some
herbaceous
type
plants.
That
would
be
things
that
wouldn't
be
seasonal,
because
I
don't
think
cultivating
like
a
vegetable
garden
is
going
to
be
feasible.
So
that
would
be
something
we
have
to
be
careful
on
plant
selection.
E
There
same
thing
with
the
wildflower
garden:
that's
something
that
could
be
cautious
about
that.
But
anyway
you
can
see.
We
native
pollinator
was
a
pollinator
garden
was
something
that
was
desired.
So
what
we
did
is
we
tried
to
pick
up
the
different
types
of
plant
material
spreading
ground
covers.
You
want
to
see
something
that
would
really
enable
a
large
coverage
of
an
area
versus
something
that
would
be
cactus
and
succulent
would
be
more
scattered
and
you'd
see
more
of
the
inert
material.
E
One
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
with
the
small
group
was
dg
is
a
material
versus
crush
and
there
were
some
concerns
expressed
with
dg
in
terms
of
maintenance,
and
we
also
considered
it
for
the
pathways
and
we
really
decided
that
dg
was
probably
not
a
good
material.
So
we
went
ahead
and
we
decided
that
concrete
for
the
pathways
and
also
the
inert
material
around
the
plants
would
be
different,
gradations
of
concorations
of
crushed
rock
and
no
organic
mulch
because
of
the
being
blown
around
in
the
wind.
E
So
that
was
another
constraint
that
we
decided
on
so
again.
This
is
the
geometric
pattern
and
then
the
next
one,
patrick,
I
guess
we
could
go
to
the
the
this-
was
the
more
naturalistic.
We
went
ahead
and
kept
this
the
the
strip
in
the
center
of
turf
again
to
kind
of
emphasize
that
lineal
strength
of
this
the
layout,
and
also
that
was
an
area
where
we
originally
thought
about
maybe
doing
some
synthetic
turf
demonstration.
E
But
then
we
decided
in
discussion
that
a
climate
adapted
turf
that
would
be
something
that
would
that
would
demonstrate
that
would
be
great
in
the
middle
and
would
probably
fit
better
with
the
other
plantings.
And
then
we
pulled
the
synthetic
turf
out
you
can
see
along
the
entry
there
which
this
these
can
be
adjusted.
Obviously
this
isn't
a
perhaps
exactly
where
it
would
go,
but
the
idea
being
the
synthetic
turf
areas
could
be
adjacent,
but
not
within
the
areas
that
we
set
up
as
a
demonstration
garden.
E
Also,
you
can
see
we
have
some
benches
that
we've
placed
also,
please
note
these
meanders
on
the
pathway.
These
are
just
conceptual.
We
would
define
these
in.
The
final
plan
in
terms
of
the
shapes
would
be
a
little
more
worked
out,
but
so
the
there
is
a
comment
about
shade
for
the
benches:
that's
something
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
the
bench
is
along
the
sides
too,
so
they're,
not
in
the
middle.
E
At
this
point,
the
scope
and
the
budget
doesn't
include
shade
structures,
but
that
was
something
that
had
been
discussed
as
a
possibility,
as
was
the
possibility
of
displaying
public
art
in
the
demonstration
garden
at
some
location,
and
that's
something
that
we
that
was
just
discussed
as
an
option.
It
could
be
a
future
phase
that
could
be
added
in
terms
of
there's
various
locations
that
that
could
easily
be
accommodated.
But
at
this
time
it's
not
part
of
the
conceptual
design.
E
I
think,
oh
and
also
you
know,
in
terms
of
the
density
of
the
plantings,
there's
another
good
comment
in
the
public
comment
section
that
that
this
probably
does
look
a
little
too
crowded,
and
I
would
agree
wholeheartedly
that
the
spreading
things
out
to
allow
them
to
mature
and
not
have
to
prune
or
hedge
anything
would
be.
That
would
be
our
goal
as
well.
So
that
was
a
good
excellent
comment.
So,
and
I
don't
know
patrick,
is
there
anything
else?
I
guess
square
footage-wise
down
at
the
bottom.
E
You
can
kind
of
see
the
there's
a
little
more
pathway
on
the
previous
one,
so
kind
of
more
or
less
about
the
same,
though
in
terms
of
the
roughly
the
quantity
of
plants
in
the
areas.
A
Yeah,
I
think
these
the
two
concepts
represent
kind
of
a
different.
You
know
well
two
different
concepts
of
what
a
garden
might
look
like
and
again.
A
I
think
this
reflects
a
lot
of
the
second
design
reflects
a
lot
of
the
discussion
that
we
had
last
week
and
the
group
really
zeroed
in
on
this
particular
design,
and
so
we
reflected
a
lot
of
those
changes
here
in
terms
of
the
concrete
path,
etc
and
and
moving
the
synthetic
turf,
and
we
could
even
go
smaller
with
the
synthetic
turf
area
because
that's
actually
a
fairly
expensive
thing
to
do
so.
A
So
that's
reflected
here
and
again
this
this
concept
could
be
modified
too,
to
get
rid
of
that
synthetic
turf
in
the
middle
and
have
that
as
the
other
climate,
adaptive
grass
so
anyway,
so
those
I
think
those
are
the
big
things
that
we
talked
about
like
I
said,
I
think
this
this
design
resonated
maybe
a
little
bit
more
than
the
geometric
pattern,
one
so
so
we'd
love
to
just
maybe
pause
there
and
see
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
the
demonstration
garden
itself
concept
again
we're
going
to
be
in
the
next
phase
of
the
project
after
the
concept
gets
approved,
then
that's
where
we
go
back
and
select
the
plants
and
do
a
more
detailed
design.
G
G
And
then
I
just
had
one
other,
thank
you
for
for
that.
G
One
of
the
things
I've
noticed
in
my
gardening
over
the
last
seven
years
is
that
now
I'm
definitely
my
garden
is
feeling
the
effects
of
climate,
the
climate
crisis
and
if
the
many
plants
that
were
so
desert
tolerant
when
I
first
came
here,
some
of
them
are
just
not
so
tolerant,
especially
without
trees,
without
places
where
there's
shade
the
sun
can
be
glaring
and
just
can
burn
them
and
there's
a
lot
of
I've
had
to
take
have
to
take
out
plants
because
of
sunburn,
so
that
I'm
noticing
and
that
what
I
can
plant
in
my
garden
has
changed
because
of
the
climate
crisis,
and
so
you
know
our
discussion
about
plants.
A
A
So
I'd
like
to
like
to
kind
of
throw
back
to
the
commission
to
get
a
sense
from
you.
If
there
is
one
or
the
other
of
these
designs,
that
you
would
recommend
moving
forward
with.
C
So
yeah
get
the
non-visual
commissioner,
out
of
the
way
here.
My
my
immediate
choice
would
be
the
first
option,
which
is
the
one
that
includes
the
climate,
adaptive
turf
down
the
center
okay
and
I'm
rarely,
if
ever
a
fan
of
synthetic
turf.
So
if
that
could
be
reduced
or
eliminated,
I
would
be
good
with
that
and
also,
I
think
it
would
be
a
nice
addition
other
than
a
public
art
or,
in
addition
to
something
ongoing.
C
I
do
think
it
would
be
nice
to
have
some
shade
height
somewhere
in
there
that
might
expand
the
the
use
of
the
garden,
but
otherwise
I
I
do
like
that
option
number
one
with
the
central
that's
great.
A
C
D
Mute
it.
I
I
too
prefer
option
one,
although
not
strongly,
I'm
not
even
quite
sure
why
I
have
that
preference.
F
My
only
comment
is
that
I
do
agree
with
lonnie
that
the
the
use
of
succulents
would
be
important
in
the
design,
as
opposed
to
plants
that
are
going
to
burn
up
and
need
replacement.
H
Okay,
david
speaking,
I
also
prefer
the
option.
That's
on
the
screen.
This
is
what
I
expressed
when
we
had
a
little
subgroup
meeting.
I
think
it's
a
little
more
free-flowing
and
the
other
one.
I
agree
with
todd
that
it
would
be
the
geometric
pattern,
wouldn't
really
be
able
to
be
discerned,
and
I
compared
this.
The
difference
between
the
french,
formal
garden
and.
F
I
had
one
more
comment:
I
do
think
that
the
large
synthetic
terp
area
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
is
is
awfully
big
and
nice.
If
there
could
be
some
real
plants
there.
A
Yeah
we
definitely
we
just
sort
of
threw
that
in
at
the
last
minute,
so
that
that
definitely
we
want
to
rethink
where
that
turf
may
go
and
how
it's
used.
The
other
thing
that
I
talked
about
with
todd
after
we
did
this
was
there
is
actually
a
strip
of
grass
I'm
pointing
at
my
screen.
A
But
you
can't
really
see
me
do
that
down
here
in
the
lower
portion
right
above
the
thing
that
says
5000
square
feet,
there's
a
very
long
line
of
turf
that
goes
down
and
it
basically
it
serves
no
purpose,
and
so
that
would
be
actually
a
perfect
place
for
some
sort
of
a
synthetic
turf
because
again
it's
it
may
get
trampled
on
a
little
bit
and
it's
sort
of
shaded
from
the
sun.
So
it
might
perform
a
little
bit
better
and
so
anyway,
so
that
that
might
be
another
place.
A
F
Yep
can
I
say
which
one
things
you
can
I
mentioned
this
before.
I
do
like
the
one
that's
on
the
screen
now
and
I
my
comment
before
I
know
it's
not
in
the
scope
of
this
project,
but
the
fact
that
the
rideshare
is
relegated
to
siberia.
It
would
be
great
if
rideshare,
left
and
ubers
could
pick
up
in
this
beautiful
new
garden,
because
otherwise
most
people
don't
really
get
a
chance
to
go
out
and
see
that
card.
I
know
it's
a
whole
other
project.
You
said
you
might
check
on
it
and.
A
Right-
and
in
fact
you
know,
as
I'm
sitting
here
looking
at
this
there,
it
could
be
there's
this
little
parking
lot,
that's
right
here
to
the
south
of
it.
Maybe
I
could
talk
to
them
and
see
if
we
could
somehow
convert
that
into
to
the
holding
pen
for
all
the
uber
and
lyft
people,
because
I
know
that
they
were
going
to
try
to
move
it
closer.
I
think
to
the
terminal.
F
So
I
mean
not
the
holding
pen
where
the
car's
weight,
but
it'd
be
great
if
the
people
that
were
actually
going
to
be
picked
up
could
be
picked
up
in
this
parking
area
rather
than
way
down
at
the
at
the
road
entrance.
So
I
know
it's
a
little
further
down
the
road,
but
that's
just
my
thoughts.
Otherwise,
it
looks
great
thanks.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
so
it
sounds
like
people
are
pretty
much
in
agreement
that
we
should
move
forward
with
option
one.
A
A
So,
and
I
will
also
say
that
I
I
think
some
of
you
may
know
that
tom
nolan,
who
was
the
director
of
our
airport,
recently
left
and
moved
out
to
florida
for
some
unknown
reason,
but
he
is.
He
was
an
advocate
for
this
and
a
a
supporter
of
it
and
he
actually
met
with
us
a
couple
of
times
to
give
us
his
thoughts
too
so
anyway.
So
he
was
involved
in
the
initial
thoughts
about.
A
And
so
todd
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
other
turf
conversion.
So
the
the
other
couple
of
designs
that
we've
got
are
related
to
a
broader
turf
conversion
effort
at
the
airport,
which
we
would
kind
of
phase
in
and
so
talk
and
talk
a
little
bit
about
what's
here
and
maybe,
as
it
kind
of
reflects
some
of
the
other
stuff.
That's
already
there.
E
Yes,
thank
you.
So
one
thing.
So,
if
what
you
see
in
terms
of
the
differentiation
of
the
background
color,
if
you
look
at
the
upper
left
hand,
inert
material
photo,
it
shows
that
you
have
different
gradations
or
sizes
of
track
and
colors,
which
you
can
kind
of
see
in
this
layout.
As
in
that
background,
that's
that's
what
that
represents
the
originally.
We
had
many
more
bands
and
working
with
patrick
and
the
subcommittee.
E
It
seemed
like
simplifying
that
was
a
better
way
to
go,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
that
moving
in
that
direction,
and
then
you
can
see
within
those
areas
there's
scattered
boulders
and
planting
groups
that
are
fairly
widely
spaced,
and
then
we
in
this
concept,
unlike
the
other
one
we've,
we
have
palm
trees
and
accent
trees
that
we've
also
added
that
would
kind
of
match
the
surrounding
area
to
some
extent,
so
pretty
straightforward,
again:
fewer
plants,
low,
fairly
low
maintenance,
things
that
would
be,
you
know,
could
mature,
not
neces,
not
need
to
be,
you
know,
pruned
or
shaped
or
anything,
and
then
the
irrigation
system
would
be
somewhat
would
be
fairly
limited
too
because
of
the
the
scattered
plantings.
E
So
that's
you
know
kind
of
what
this
one
is.
A
Yeah
and
you've
also
got
a
couple
pictures
up
here
in
the
upper
right.
I
don't
know
if
that's
taco's
canyon,
but
but
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
general
that
when
people
talk
about
this
kind
of
stuff,
they
usually
use
chocolates
as
as
kind
of
a
reference
point
because
they
really
like
what's
there.
So
I
think
that's
a
picture
of
that,
and
then
this
is
also
the
only
other
thing
I
would
say
is.
A
E
Okay
in
this
concept
for
this,
this
corner,
one
of
the
things
patrick
on
this
two
that
I
wanted
to
notice
you,
we
blocked
out
the
other
corner
with
this
plant.
C
E
E
Design
on
the
opposite
corner
and
one
of
the
things
we
felt
like
when
we
looked
at
this
was
the
airport.
Entry
is
completely
different
than
that
commercial
project
entry,
and
so
we
didn't
feel
the
need
to
sort
of
emulate.
What
was
there?
We
think
this
airport
entry
can
kind
of
stand
alone,
so
we
originally
had
just
worked
with
the
turf
area
which
is
in
this
one.
You
really
can't
the
turf
areas
was
right
in
front,
so
we
realized
that
to
really
complete
this
entry.
E
We
went
beyond
where
the
existing
turf
is
to
get
to
a
low
wall
that
has
some
accent
lighting
and
then
to
where
the
small
trees
are
to
really
make
a
complete
entry
statement.
So
there's
an
existing
two
curvilinear
walls
with
some
up
lights.
Since
we
took
advantage
of
that,
placing
the
accent,
trees,
kind
of
behind.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
a
constraint.
You
can
see
the
airport
there.
The
perimeter
fence
encroaches
pretty
close
to
the
corner,
so
to
do
a
symmetrical
layout
of
the
trees
which
we
thought
was
important.
E
We
had
to
pull
some
trees
in
front
because
we
just
couldn't
quite
fit
one
in
the
back
on
the
jean
autry
trail
side
there.
So
that's
kind
of
why
you
see
the
trees
on
both
sides,
but
again
it's
the
same
kind
of
inert
materials
with
some
boulders
and
scattered
plantings,
a
little
more
symmetrical
because
of
the
symmetry
of
the
layout
of
this
corner
entry.
E
And
then
this
would
be
a
motif
that
would
be
continued
on
presumably
down
ramon
road
at
some
point
as
further
turf,
conversions
could
happen
along
the
way
which
could
which
could
emulate
this
there's
a
lot
of
palm
trees
on
this
intersection.
But
originally
we
thought
about
those,
but
then
looking
at
the
proximity
to
the
airport
runway,
even
though
there
are
trees
directly
across
the
palm
trees
directly
across
the
street
there.
We
thought
it
probably
would
not
fly
to
no
pun
intended
to
have
palm
trees
on
the
corner.
E
So
we
just
went
with
like
low,
which
would
be
like
you
can
kind
of
see
in
our
photos,
some
like
palo
verde
type,
low
trees.
That
would
be
wouldn't
be
an
issue
for
the
clearance
for
the
runway
so-
and
I
think
that's
about
it
on
this.
Unless
is
there
anything
patrick
that
you
would
that
I'm
you
want
to
add.
A
No,
I
think
that's
about
it.
This
little
corner
space
is,
is
meant
to
be
consistent
with
the
one
that's
on
north
china,
tree
and
vistacino.
So
that
looks
a
little.
That
would
look
a
little
more
consistent
with
that
and
then,
like
you
said
it
would,
we
would
sort
of
continue
on,
to
a
certain
extent,
the
design
throughout
the
other
grassed
areas,
as
we
get
more
funding
to
to
do
more
so
so
anyway,
yeah.
A
That's
that's
really
it
any
questions
or
comments
about
about
the
rest
of
the
turf
conversion,
the
other.
A
The
other
thing
that
would
be
part
of
this
presentation
on
the
rest
of
the
turf
conversion
would
be
a
phasing
plan,
and
so
we've
asked
david
evans
to
our
todd
and
this
team
to
go
back
and
look
at
how
we
might
phase
in
different
turf
conversion
projects
over
time
so
anyway,
so
they've
done
that
and
they've
identified
kind
of
a
phasing
approach
which,
which
I
think
starts
with
this
corner
and
then
goes
out
to
el
cielo.
A
So,
okay,
all
right
any
other
questions
on
that
you
know,
desert
escaping
is
a
pretty
known
commodity.
Now
I
feel
like
so
I
I
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
super
controversial,
so
I
think
it's
going
to
be
welcomed
by
lots
of
people
all
right.
Well,
super.
I
think
that's
what
we
needed
for
today,
again
I'll
kind
of
keep
you
posted
as
as
this
progresses
and
if
we
run
into
any
other
roadblocks
along
the
way
before
we
meet
next
time
in
september,
but
that's
a
great
start.
G
B
B
Now,
okay,
so
now
we'll
move
on
to
old
business
and
the
first
item
there
is
the
smoking,
ordinance
and
you'll
recall
from
the
minutes
of
the
february
meeting
that
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
smoking
ordinance.
It's
something
that
we
discussed
over
a
year
ago
and
the
city
council
had
a
subcommittee
on
smoking
and
it
really
relates
to
smoking
in
public
places.
But
the
subcommittee
was
dissolved
and
the
sustainability
commission
was
asked
to
take
the
lead
and
ultimately
have
a
study
session
on
the
smoking
ordinance.
B
One
thing
that
I
did
after
the
february
meeting
is
I
contacted
ron
de
hart
who's,
the
chair
of
the
human
rights
commission.
The
reason
I
did
that
is
because,
at
the
time
that
we
proposed
and
voted
on
an
ordinance
of
the
sustainability
commission,
which
I
think
was
spring
2019,
the
hrc
also
had
an
ordinance
about
smoking
and
I
wanted
to
find
out
if
they
were
interested
in
working
with
us
on
the
draft
ordinance
and
was
supporting
the
draft
ordinance
and
perhaps
participating
in
a
study
session.
B
So
ron
did
reply
to
me
and
he
said
that
he
had
brought
it
up
to
the
commission
at
their
march
meeting,
but
there
were
no
takers.
B
Nobody
was
interested
at
that
time
in
working
on
or
supporting
the
smoking
ordinance,
but
he
did
say
that
that
the
that
his
commission
now
has
three
new
members
and
when
they
meet
again
he
will
bring
the
topic
up
so
I'll
I'll,
follow
up
with
him
and
see
if
there
is
interest
but
right
now
we're
not
under
the
gun
to
have
a
study
session,
but
it
will
be
coming
up
sometime
in
the
future.
I'm
sure
any
any
questions
or.
B
A
All
right,
so
this
topic
has
come
back.
I
presented
it
to
the
city
council.
I
was
very
surprised
by
their
level
of
enthusiasm,
and
so
they
would
like
to
proceed
with
the
with
an
ordinance
and
so
the
the
basic
feedback
that
we
got
at
that
meeting
was
two
things.
One
is
to
consider
a
phased
approach
and
the
other
was
to
push
up
the
timeline
for
the
polystyrene
restrictions.
A
So
so
what
I
did
was
I
went
through
the
various
elements
of
the
ordinance
draft
that
we
had
all
reviewed
and
talked
about
last
fall
into
this
january,
and
what
I
did
was
a
proposed
phase-in
schedule
of
the
various
components,
and
so
I
wanted
to
run
through
those
with
you
all
to
get
your
feedback
on
them
and
to
see
if
you
have
any
other
thoughts
in
terms
of
phasing
or
additional
things
to
put
in
here
at
this
point
so
anyway,
so
for
the
january
first
round.
A
I
think
these
are
all
fairly
easy.
Straightforward
things
limit
disposable
food
wear
accessories
to
on-demand.
Only
again,
this
is
something
that
people
are
actually
already
doing
as
part
of
some
of
their
code
restrictions.
A
The
second
thing
was
required
that
all
straws
be
non-plastic
and
compostable
again
it
responds
to
that
demand
to
get
rid
of
straws,
and
a
lot
of
people
have
switched
to
compostable
already
require
reusable
food
wear
for
on-site
consumption
for
new
businesses.
So
what
I
tried
to
do
is
just
focus
this
on
new
businesses
that
would
be
coming
online
and
could
incorporate
this
into
their
infrastructure
and
then
prohibit
polystyrene
foam
food
wear
use
by
food
vendors.
A
A
So
so
that's
kind
of
sprinkled
throughout
here.
But
the
first
thing
was
require
all
restaurants
to
use
reusable
food.
Wear
for
on-site
dining
that'll
give
us
a
year
to
help
people
kind
of
convert
over
to
that
require
that
all
disposable
food
where
this
compostable
be
certified
and
again,
this
kind
of
coincides
with
our
sb
1383
requirements,
which,
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we'll
have
a
collection
system
to
collect
this
stuff
and
process.
It
prohibit
all
sale
and
distribution
of
polystyrene
food
wear.
A
A
There
was
some
concern
by
council
about
this,
this
concept,
and
so
anyway.
So
I
think
an
alternative
we
could
think
about
is
having
some
sort
of
incentive
for
reusable
containers.
So
that's
kind
of
the
flip
side
of
that,
and
so
we
could
think
about
how
to
work
that
but
anyway,
so
that's
the
phasing
that
I
thought
through,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
feedback
on
that
to
see.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
that
or
anything
else,
we
should
think
about
from.
A
Yeah,
so
it's
still
you're
you're
still
allowing
plastic
disposable
food
wear,
but
it
just
has
to
be
on
demand
only.
A
Exactly
so
I
didn't.
This
is
one
of
the
pieces
of
feedback
that
we
got
from.
Actually
the
businesses
that
we
met
with
was
that
you
know.
Why
are
you
making
us
switch
to
something
that
basically
has?
No,
you
know
you,
you
can't
even
collect
it,
and
so
that's
why
I
moved
it
down,
and
actually
we
can
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
but
that's
why
I
didn't
require
everything
to
be
compostable
as
of
january.
F
F
Just
noting
that
in
the
last
bullet
point
on
disposable
cup
charge,
there
is
a
typo
on
the
first,
some
bullet
there.
A
All
right
so-
and
this
is
actually
something
else-
that's
you
reached
a
good
point
greg
is
that
we
didn't
specify
alternatives
for
the
most
part
in
any
of
the
ordinance,
partly
because
you
know,
there's
a
problem
with
recyclables
there's
a
problem
with
compostables
etc.
A
So
so
we
didn't
really
specify
the
alternatives,
and
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
may
emerge
from
the
conversations
with
council
is
that
in
the
2022
time
frame
is
when
we
could
actually
say
that
all
accessories,
all
food
wear
accessories
should
be
compostable
so
that
we
switch
everybody
out
of
plastic
period.
A
G
G
G
You
see
what
I'm
saying,
because
the
compostables
well,
that
means
eventually
the
compostable,
but
it
may
take
a
year
as
opposed
to
100
years
or
something
like
that.
But
once
and
twos
I
think,
by
2022.
We
might
want
to
take
another
look
at
what
is
being
reused.
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
ones
and
twos
now
in
areas
where
we
used
to
get
styrofoam
all
the
time.
A
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
really
good
point
and
I
think
at
some
point
early
on
in
our
conversations
about
this,
we
had
zeroed
in
on
ones
and
twos
as
potentially
being
alternatives
because
of
their
recyclability
and-
and
I
agree,
I
think
that
we
could
probably
revisit
that
to
see
if
there
are
ways
to
integrate
the
stuff
that
is,
we
know,
is
readily
recyclable
as
well.
So
so
that's
a
great
that's
a
great
point.
G
I
would,
I
would
just
propose
an
update
of
our
our
information
on
what's
being
recycled.
C
F
Am
I
on
muted
yeah,
so
I
have
a
thought
about
the
25
cent
charge
and
that
money
just
goes
to
the
vendor
and
effectively
they'll
just
build
it
into
the
price
and
they'll
reduce
the
cost
of
the
product
by
25
cents
and
then
increase
the
25
charge.
I
would
much
rather
have
a
25
or
50
rebate
for
bringing
your
own
cup.
I
mean,
I
mean
a
carrot,
sounds
much
more
attractive
than
a
stick,
especially
when
the
price
of
the
stick
is
built
into
the
price
of
the
product.
F
A
Yeah
so
so
this
was
basically
developed
along
the
same
con
line
as
the
charge
for
disposable
bags.
So
we
have
a
10
cent
charge
on
disposable
bags,
which
is
supposed
to
be
a
deterrent
for
people
to
bring
in
their
own
reusable,
so
so
yeah.
I
think
the
verdict
is
still
out
on
this
one
a
little
bit
they.
We
were
hoping
that
some
of
this
other
cities
were
actually
incorporating
this
as
of
january
1st,
and
then
they
stopped
because
of
covid.
A
So
we
were
hoping
to
glean
some
information
from
those
experiences
which
we
hadn't
been
able
haven't,
been
able
to
do
so.
So
I'm
very
happy
to
kind
of
go
this
one
actually
in
the
text
of
the
ordinance,
gets
very
complicated
because
of
the
availability
of
reusables.
Then
you
don't
have
to
charge
so
anyway.
So
it's
it
gets
fairly
complicated.
So
I
would
very
much
be
open
to
some
other
ideas.
A
A
A
All
right,
okay,
so
noting
those
couple
of
things
that
we
just
talked
about,
like
the
alternative
ones
and
twos,
and
the
25
cent
cup
charge
and
and
the
kind
of
the
elimination
or
limitation
of
plastic
as
of
2022
all
right.
So
I'm
planning
to
meet
with
mayor,
coors
and
mayor
pro
tem
hostage
tomorrow
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
outreach
that
we're
going
to
do
over
september
october
time
frame
to
roll
this
out.
So
so
this
is
good.
A
I
think
it
gets
us
gives
us
a
good
starting
point
for
conversations
with
the
business
community
and
I
think
we're
certainly
open
to
some
additional
ideas,
but
so,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
starting
point.
So
we'll
we'll
see
what
else
they
have
to
say
tomorrow,
yeah
commissioner
miller.
G
Okay,
so
there
must
be
a
way
that
this
can
be
written
so
that
you
know
if
we
get
to
january
1
2022,
we
want
to
tweak
it,
we
could
tweak
it
or
you
know,
say
anything
yeah.
We
we
should
be
able
to
tweak
some
of
this
stuff.
I
mean,
like
the
25
cent
per
cup
business,
sure
tweakable.
At
that
point,
correct.
A
Absolutely
we
could,
we
could
put
something
forward
and
it
could
go
through
and
then
we
could
reevaluate
mid-year
and
see
where
we're
at
and
see
if
anything
needs
to
change.
I
can
also
ask
them
for
their
input
on
that
too,
because
they
were
very,
they
were
very
interested
in
moving
forward
with
a
comprehensive
approach
and-
and
I
want
them
to
understand
some
of
the
implications
of
doing
that
too.
So.
A
And
I
think
the
next
one
is
mine
too,
so
let
me
just
jump
over
to
the
walkability
stuff,
so
the
the
consulting
team,
that's
helping
us
with
the
walkability
master
plan
and
safe
routes,
schools
plan
it
has
been
gathering
some
data
and
doing
some
research
on
just
general
safety
trends
and
collision
trends,
and
that
kind
of
thing
throughout
the
city.
So
they've
been
gathering
that
data.
I
did
meet
with
our
little
walkability
subcommittee
or
ad
hoc
committee
yesterday
and
so
got
some
good
feedback
from
them
on
this
stuff
as
well.
A
But
I
just
wanted
to
share
it
with
the
full
group
and
in
particular,
because
we'll
probably
be
moving
forward
with
the
community
advisory
committee
concepts
in
the
september
time
frame,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
early
feedback
from
you
guys
about
any
kind
of
missing
pieces
to
that
and
any
other
feedback
you
might
have
on
the
outreach
side.
So
so
anyway.
A
So
again,
the
the
consultant
prepares
these
little
memos
through
different
points
in
the
process,
and
this
one
is
on
communications
and
outreach,
and
so
one
of
the
key
components
of
the
outreach
is
this
community
advisory
concept.
A
Committee
concept-
and
so
we
worked
with
them
to
identify
an
initial
list
of
potential
groups
and
organizations
to
engage,
and
then
we
work
with
them
to
maybe
identify
some
names
associated
with
that.
But
this
hasn't
really
gone
anywhere
and
we
haven't
actually
reached
out
to
any
of
these
people.
But
I
wanted
to
go
through
it
with
you
and
maybe
share
some
of
the
feedback
we
got
from
this,
the
ad-hoc
committee
and
then
open
it
up
to
you
guys
to
have
any
more
questions.
A
So
community
advisory
committee
will
be
used
to
provide
some
guidance
and
feedback
on
the
plan,
as
well
as
provide
guidance
on
outreach
efforts
related
to
gathering
data
and
gathering
information
about
problem
areas
as
well
as
solutions.
So
it
will
include.
They
included
me
and
one
of
our
engineering
folks
on
this,
but
we're,
I
think,
the
mostly
just
the
city
representatives.
We
thought
it
would
be
good
to
include
somebody
from
sunline
because
they
probably
got
good
good
data
on
user
ridership
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
A
We
wanted
to
engage
the
tribal
council,
given
that
they
have
a
prominent
properties
in
downtown,
especially
if
the
arena
gets
developed.
Kate
anderson
is
their
pr
person,
anthony
ramirez's
economic
development.
A
We
would
have
a
couple
reps
from
the
sustainability
commission,
so
you
guys
can
maybe
figure
out
who
you
would
want
on
this.
We
identified
roy
because
roy's
also
on
that
the
code
enforcement
subcommittee
for
the
1ps
too,
so
maybe
roy
and
somebody
else
palm
springs
pta
council.
So
we
identified
a
couple
of
people
from
there
to
get
at
some
of
the
school
con
school-related
concerns.
Also
folks
from
p.s
the
unified
school
district.
A
Also
ps,
cares
and
volunteer.
Ps
has
done
a
lot
of
work
around
public
safety,
and
so
we
identified
a
couple
names
there,
the
bicycling
group.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
include
their
voices
here
as
well.
Although
bicycling
is
not
necessarily
a
key
component
to
this.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
related
concerns,
and
so
I'd
like
to
get
their
input
as
well
folks
from
1ps
to
get
again
get
a
neighborhood
perspective.
A
We
just
listed
kathy
and
don
as
placeholders.
For
now
the
front
runners
and
walking
group-
I
don't
know,
does
anybody
know
any
of
the
folks
that
are
involved
with
that
group?
A
The
runners
and
walkers
okay,
the
chamber
of
commerce,
so
making
sure
that
we
got
a
business
representation
so,
whether
it's
the
chamber
and
or
the
main
street
folks
and
then
this
gail
whetstone
was
a
person
was
with
desert
regional
who
has
done
some
public
safety
and
injury
work
in
the
past.
So
we
thought
of
reaching
out
to
her
as
well.
A
So
a
couple
of
the
comments
that
we
got
from
the
ad
hoc
committee
was
one:
was
we're
gonna
reach
out
to
grace
garner
to
see
if
there
are
any
folks
from
some
of
the
northern
communities
or
communities
on
the
north
end
that
may
want
to
participate
in
this.
That
may
use
public
transit
and
do
some
walking
from
that
end
of
town.
So
we'll
engage
her
on
that.
A
A
All
right
and
throughout
this
we'll
be
coordinating
pretty
closely
with
the
general
plan
update
folks
because
they're
they
are
working
on
the
circulation
portion
of
that
general
plan,
and
so
there
should
be
some
overlap
between
what
we're
developing
and
what
they're
doing
so
they're
aware
of
this,
and
so
hopefully
we'll
be
continuing
to
engage
with
them
going
forward.
F
Hey
patrick
yeah,
if
you
need
someone
else
to
be
on
the
subcommittee,
I'm
I
have
a
lot
of
thoughts
on
this
and
I'm
very
I'd
be
interested
in
joining
the
other
two
folks
on
there.
Okay
sounds
good
and
there's
some
overlap
with
bicycle
stuff,
too,
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up
yeah.
A
F
A
Okay
and
then
they
we
had
sort
of
this
grand
vision
of
doing
workshops
and
attending
in-person
events,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
that's
all
going
to
be
reevaluated
as
we
go
forward
with
with
covid
and
so
we'll
probably
figure
out
a
virtual
ways
to
do
these
things
similar
to
the
way
that
they're
doing
the
general
plan
updates.
So
do
a
first
workshop
on
the
concepts
and
what
the
whole
project
is
about
and
then
do
another
workshop
on
draft
plan
ideas
a
little
bit
later
in
2021
and
again.
A
If
we
have
some
of
these
in-person
events,
maybe
in
the
early
of
2021,
then
we
could
potentially
participate
in
a
few
things
and
get
some
public
input
that
way.
And
then
we
also
talked
about
doing
some
walkability
audits,
and
so
the
consultant
basically
would
do.
Some
observational
analysis
is
what
this
is
in
various
locations
around
the
city.
And
so
again
we
talked
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
we
refined
our
thinking
on
some
of
these
places
with
them.
A
And
so
I
think
that
we
have
a
maybe
a
more
refined
idea
of
where
we
want
to
do
these
things.
So,
for
example,
downtown
we
were
thinking
of
maybe
something
around
chocolates
and
indian
and
palm
canyon.
A
We
also
talked
about
maybe
doing
something
around
the
curve
there
down
on
south
palm
canyon
or
somewhere
in
between,
because
there's
a
lot
of
pedestrian
activity
that
crosses
palm
canyon
down
in
that
area,
the
transit
hub.
We
talked
about
doing
something
in
between
farrell
and
sunrise
on
ramon,
and
then
we
talked
about
doing
something
potentially
around
event
related
pedestrian
safety.
A
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
happened
like
at
the
convention
center
and
also
you
know,
thinking
about
the
arena
edition
and
maybe
some
other
places
that
have
sort
of
more
event
oriented
traffic
like
around
chocolates
and
sort
of
close
to
downtown,
but
not
quite
there
and
then
so
anyway.
A
So
they
said
that
and
then
the
other
place
was
around
sunrise
and
ramon,
because
that
is
definitely
a
hot
spot
for
us
that
we
want
to
do
so
so
anyway,
so
they
said
that
they
could
also
do
those
virtually
so
there's
a
way
that
they
can
do
that
kind
of
tuning
in
in
other
ways,.
C
A
So
those
are,
those
are
the
initial
thoughts,
and
so
what
I
plan
to
do
is
we'll
use
the
ad
hoc
committee
as
sort
of
our
sounding
board
and
get
some
feedback
from
them
and
then
we'll
kind
of
report
out
to
this
group.
How
we're
how
we're
moving
forward
to
see
if
there's
any
other,
additional
thoughts
that
you
guys
have
on
our
direction.
A
I
think
in
that
september
time
frame
we'll
probably
flesh
out
this
community
advisory
committee
participation
and
look
towards
having
a
meeting
with
probably
late
september
early
october,
and
then
the
final
topic
was
their
kind
of
the
the
the
graphic
identifier
that
they
may
use
to
to
kind
of
demark
this
work,
and
so
to
date,
everybody
has
zeroed
in
on
colorway
two
with
the
little
people
and
the
the
palm
springs
colors
here.
A
F
So
the
only
thing
I
want
to
add
is
that
you
know
a
bunch
of
interesting
things
happened
in
el
paseo.
A
year
ago
I
mean
they
put
in
a
bunch
of
ideas
that
I
thought
were
great,
a
couple
that
were
learning
and
they
were
installed
a
bunch
of
things
and
were
soundly
rejected
and
they
were
removing
things
now.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
you
know
that
they
learn
from
those
lessons,
because
you
know,
I
think,
a
lot
of
good
things
might
come
from
that.
F
So
so
you
said
el
paseo,
yeah
in
palm
desert.
Remember
they
bit
bulb
outs
and
they
painted
those
intersections
bright
colors.
They
put
trees,
everyone
hated
the
colored
intersections,
but
they
did
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
pedestrian
safety
and
I
thought
it
was
interesting.
The
reception
was
not
what
I
would
have
expected.
So
maybe
that's
el
paso
is
different
than
palm
springs.
I
don't
know,
but
palm
desert
versus
ps.
A
Well,
that's
a
great
point,
and,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
clear
with
the
consultant
about,
is
we
need
to
really
understand
what
lessons
learned
are
from
various
projects
that
that
we've
undertaken
and
like
you're
saying
maybe
some
of
the
other
valley
cities.
So
so
that's
definitely
something
that's
on
their
radar,
so
point
them
to
that.
In
particular.
C
A
All
right,
thank
you
guys
and
I
think
that's
it
for
the
walkability.
B
Sure
see,
the
next
item
is
item
two
under
new
business,
and
that
was
the
palm
springs
general
plan
update.
The
intention
was
to
have
commissioner
goins,
who
is
a
member
of
the
hearing
committee.
Supporting
the
general
plan
update,
give
a
report
on
what
the
steering
committee
has
been
doing
in
the
plan
for
that
update.
He
actually
had
agreed
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
to
to
speak
at
the
meeting
and
give
us
give
us
an
update.
B
So
he's
not
here
he's
resigned,
but
I
do
know
that
there
was
a
steering
committee
meeting
on
june
9th
I
wasn't
into
it
where
they
did
go
over
the
general
plan
say.
G
Roy
excuse
me
I'm
having
difficulty
hearing
your
words.
Yeah
is
it
I
don't
know.
Is
everybody
else
I'm
having
no
problems
with,
but
for
you,
your
voice
seems
lower.
It's
not
projected
or
I'm
not.
G
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Basically,
we
know
that
there
was
a
steering
committee
meeting
on
june
9th
where
they
did
discuss
the
general
plan,
vision,
statement
and
priorities
for
the
general
plan
update.
I
believe
there
was
a
steering
committee
meeting
last
night
david
commissioner
friedman
made
reference
to
it,
and
it
sounds
like
that.
You
david
may
have
some
some
comments
to
add.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
did
watch
the
listen
to
watch
the
meaning
last
night.
The
largest
sort
of
topic
that
took
about
the
topic
that
took
the
most
time
was
sort
of
wordsmithing
the
sustainability
sort
of
high-level
vision
statements.
So
there's
some
work
there
and
I
have
access
to
the
ventura
county
general
plan
that
was
just
approved
by
their
planning
commission
last
thursday,
and
I've
been
going
through
that
and
identifying
some
of
the
language
that
they
have
on
sustainability.
H
So
I
pushed
that
off
to
to
dave
newell's
of
planning
services
this
morning
and
he's
going
to
take
a
look
at
it.
H
One
thing
that
I
thought
was
interesting
is
that,
as
required
by
state
law
and
premium
replace
works
is
working
on
this
for
our
general
plan,
but
as
part
of
the
safety
element
of
the
general
plans,
they
do
need
to
have
a
greenhouse
gas
reduction
and
climate
adaptation
section
and
the
safety
element,
so
that
will
cover
a
large
amount
of
the
issues
that
we're
looking
at,
like
greenhouse
gas
reduction,
electrification
of
buildings,
renewable
energy
and
some
things
like
that.
H
B
Thank
you,
and
this
is
something
that
we
probably
should
have
as
a
regular
topic
at
our
commission
meetings,
more
information
about.
What's
going
on
with
the
general
plan,
in
fact
we
had.
We
had
scheduled
david
newell
from
from
planning
to
give
a
presentation
at
the
march
meeting,
which
of
course,
was
cancelled.
B
Are
there
any
other
comments
on
the
general
plan?
Question.
H
We
have
him
come
to
us
in
september.
If
we're
doing
a
september
zone
meeting.
A
B
Okay,
the
next
item
in
the
agenda,
which
we've
touched
upon
a
bit
previously
in
the
meeting,
is
maintaining
open
space
and
vice
chair
mccann,
has
some
comments
to
make.
D
Yeah
quickly,
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
an
overview,
not
so
much
of
the
mesquite
desert
preserved
concept,
but
of
what's
been
going
on
with
biller
greens.
D
D
The
property
is
approximately
35
acres,
jane
garrison.
You
know
our
fearless
leader
for
save
ozzo
canyon
has
been
in
touch
with
the
owner
over
the
last
year
and
communicated
the
intent
to
enter
negotiations
with
him
to
purchase
it.
It's
the
purchase
is
a
little
bit
complicated
because
it's
actually
owned
by
five
members
of
the
tribe
and
and
the
the
current
owner
is
actually
a
lease
owner.
So
it's
it's
the
lease
that
we're
looking
to
purchase
with
that.
D
As
the
background,
then,
on
april
20th,
out
of
the
blue,
the
city
received
an
intent
to
convert
application
for
the
belair
greens
golf
course
and
that
the
the
intent
was
to
convert.
What's
current
general
plan
land
use
designation,
which
is
open
space
park
or
recreation
to
mdr,
medium
density,
residential?
D
Of
course,
such
a
general
plan
amendment
would
open
the
door
for
the
owner
to
sell
his
land
lease
to
a
developer
ash
incorporated
whose
plans
for
this
property
include
13
two-story
apartment
buildings,
three
of
which
would
directly
above
the
talk
each
creek,
wash
as
it
approaches,
elsie,
yellow
in
addition
and
the
the
total
would
be
312
rental
dwelling
units,
surface
parking
with
two
ostrich
off
street
parking
zones,
an
extension
of
mesquite
drive
to
lclo
and
two
management
and
office
buildings,
so
that
would
require
approval
by
city
council
of
a
general
plan
amendment
and
a
change
of
zone
application
on
may
13th.
D
The
applicant
was
notified
in
writing
that
the
application
was
incomplete
and
he
was
provided
with
a
list
of
submitted
materials
that
were
still
pending
and
required,
and
the
latest
I
have
is,
as
of
june
18th
2020.
The
application
is
still
incomplete
and
has
not
been
submitted.
So
what
does
this
mean
for
us?
Moving
forward?
D
They'll
have
to
get
their
act
together
and
get
a
more
complete
plan
in
to
the
planning.
Commission
and
then
the
planning
commission
will
be
the
first
sieve
and
they'll
have
to
make
a
decision
whether
to
recommend
this
to
city
council
or
not,
recommend
it,
and
then
it
will
go
to
city
council.
I
believe
for
a
final
vote.
D
We
put
together
a
letter
writing
campaign
to
the
planning,
commission
and-
and
so
I
think
at
this
point
as
far
as
the
sustainability
commission
is
concerned,
we
should
wait
and
see
if
they
do
get
their
act
together
and
complete
their
application,
and
if
they
do,
then
we
might
be
able
to
weigh
in
with
our
own
recommendation
and
get
a
vote
on
it
here.
Opposing
this
mat,
this
move.
B
A
Okay,
so
I
did
think
it
would
be
just
a
good
thing
to
do
to
just
do
a
little
look
ahead
quickly
to
next
year
and
and
really
starting
this
fall,
and
I
would
would
like
to
do
this,
maybe
in
a
more
robust
way
in
september,
to
kind
of
lay
out
the
year
strategically,
but
but
mostly
because
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
happening
in
the
next
year,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
kind
of
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
A
In
terms
of
what
effort
it's
going
to
take
to
do
all
of
this
and
kind
of
the
level
of
attention
it's
going
to
get
throughout
the
city.
I
think-
and
so
the
plastics
of
course
is
going
to
be
a
big
one.
I
I
will
we'll
see
how
that
goes
forward,
but
anything
that
goes
forward
is
going
to
require
a
fair
amount
of
outreach
and
engagement
both
on
the
business
side,
as
well
as
the
public
side.
A
So
so
that
will
be
a
significant
undertaking
and
then
sb
1383
is
another
one
that
we
keep
talking
about,
but
it's
actually
happening
and
we
I've
reached
out
to
a
consultant
to
help
us
start
to
craft
our
ordinance
and
then
also
am
working
starting
to
work
with
psds
to
start
to
renegotiate
their
franchise
agreement,
and
all
of
that
will
be
incredibly
significant
and
that's
going
to
require
probably
outreach
starting
middle
of
next
year
to
start
to
get
people
engaged
and
prepared
for
organics
management,
both
in
workplaces
and
businesses,
as
well
as
at
home.
A
So
that's
that's
going
to
be
a
huge
deal
and
going
to
be
starting
to
percolate
here
in
the
fall
and
we'll
be
bringing
a
draft
ordinance
most
likely
through
the
council
or
through
the
commission,
probably
in
the
november
time
frame
and
then
on
to
council
in
december
january
time
frame
so
so
that'll
be
moving
forward.
A
The
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory
the
initial
feedback
that
I've
gotten
from
them
is
that
our
2010
numbers
are
going
to
change
fairly
significantly.
So,
as
you
may
recall,
we
thought
that
we
were
pretty
much
on
track
to
meet
our
goals
in
2010
and
so
that
we
will
probably
get
some
new
data
that
shows
that
we're
probably
a
little
bit
over
at
that
point,
as
opposed
to
under
so
anyway.
A
So
that's
gonna
be
interesting
and
maybe
have
some
more
implications
in
terms
of
other
things
we
do
on
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
or
the
greenhouse
gas
reduction
front.
We've
also
asked
them
to
do
a
2020
look
ahead,
so
it'll
incorporate
the
can
switch
over
to
dce,
so
we'll
have
a
better
sense
of
where
we're
going.
A
The
demo
garden
again
that'll
be
going
forward,
at
least
in
theory
until
I
hear
otherwise,
and
so
again
we
are
going
to
be
managing
that
project.
I
think
our
maintenance
staff
is
pretty
short
staffed
at
this
point,
and
so
some
of
that's
going
to
fall
to
us
to
kind
of
oversee
and
so
anyway.
A
So
lots
of
lots
and
lots
of
things
are
happening
already
and
then
we're
being
asked
to
you
know
work
on
the
smoking
ordinance,
which
is
also
on
our
radar
and
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
couple
of
other
big
things
that
I'm
missing.
But
what
I
want
to
do
is
get
you
guys,
thinking
about
those
things
and
kind
of
as
we
go
forward
if
there
are
any
other
big
things
that
should
be
on
our
radar,
so
that
we
can
kind
of
integrate
that
into
our
planning
process
in
the
fall.
A
So
I
don't
know
if,
if
I
missed
something,
let
me
know
other
thoughts
that
you
guys
might
have
in
terms
of
big
things
that
you
see
on
the
horizon
for
this
commission
that
we
should
start
thinking
about
and
again
maybe
have
a
more
concerted
conversation
about
it
at
that
september.
Time
frame,
so,
commissioner
miller.
G
Okay,
yeah,
so
I'm
interested
in
getting
back
to
I
mean
all
of
the
above
that
you've
described,
of
course,
but
turning
food
waste
into
biogas
with
with
psds
and
our
wastewater.
G
We
obviously
have
continued
to
collect
this
water
from
our
commercial
industry,
such
as
it
is,
but
standpoint,
it's
a
good.
It's
a
good
time
to
start
because
we're
not
so
heavily
burdened
with
people
that
are
going
down
to
the
restaurants
now,
and
it
would
be
better
to
start
something
like
this
when
the
volume
isn't
you
know
so
overwhelming
so
for
the
first
two
three
four
years,
do
you
actually
want
the
volume
to
be
low
of
what
you're
doing
and
you're
gradually
working
into
it?
A
So
I
have
a
kind
of
an
interesting
piece
of
news
on
that
front,
just
a
little
nugget.
A
So
I
was
talking
to
don
in
engineering
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
he
is
crafting
a
kind
of
a
co,
an
on-demand
engineering
contract
and
so
with
stantec
as
one
of
those
providers,
and
so
stantec
is
the
one
that
did
the
initial
analysis
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
provided
some
ideas
about
the
biogas
and
the
anaerobic
digestion
facility
there,
and
so
this
would
enable
us
to
engage
them
very
easily
to
do
some
more
thinking
about
how
kind
of
go
into
more
depth
about
the
analysis
that
they've
already
done
so
that
we
could
actually
get
a
handle
on
okay.
A
How
much
food
would
we
need
to
have?
What
would
that
look
like?
How
would
we
need
to
process
it?
All
of
that,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
having
that
that
available
to
us.
So
so
I'll?
Let
you
know
when
that
comes
through,
so
we
can
do
that
analysis
and
a
part.
Two
other
little
nugget,
a
little
teaser
for
september.
A
A
G
A
H
Yes,
you
sort
of
mentioned
it
earlier,
but
I'll
be
focusing
on
the
climate
action
roadmap
and
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time
following
what
all
the
other
cities
and
counties
are
doing
on
reach.
What
we
call
reach
codes
beyond
code
and
certainly
once
we
have
the
ghg
inventory
it'll
be
easier
to
benchmark
about
where
we
are
and
where
we
need
to
go,
and
I've
already
got
a
lot
of
work,
but
working
with
the
reach
code
team
and
come
up
with
some
fairly
detailed
cost
benefit
analysis.
H
All
of
these
cost-effectiveness
studies
have
already
been
done
for
all
of
the
other
cities
and
counties
that
have
had
the
energy
commission
approve
their
plan,
so
patrick
I'll
be
working
pretty
closely
with
you
to
get
some
some
proposals,
and
then
that
would
go
to
us
to
our
commission
in
september,
hopefully
with
the
ghg
inventory
and
then
over
to
council,
and
then
they
can
provide
their
feedback
and
direction.
And
after
that
you
know,
I
can
work
on
whatever
ordinance
they
might
would
like
to
see.
But
the
advantage
is
that
kind
of
like
in
plastics.
H
There
are
literally
dozens
of
cities
and
counties
throughout
the
state,
well
largely
northern
california
bay
area,
but
have
already
done
this,
and
so
all
of
the
ordinance
language
exists
and
all
the
cost
effectiveness
studies
exist.
So
there's
a
lot
of
learning,
that's
already
been
there
and
the
cause
and
standards
team
reached
out
to
me
last
week
or
so
and
have
asked
to
help
us
out
so
we'll
have
some
good
technical
assistance
and
they'll
have
to
pay
for
it.
H
A
B
And
actually,
this
is
a
good
segue
into
the
final
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
commissioner
comments
and
items
for
future
agendas.
Meeting
agendas.
We've
already
had
some
comments
that
I
think
do
play
into
the
september
meeting
from
commissioners
miller
and
friedman.
Does
anybody
else
have
anything
that
they'd
like
to
comment
on
or
see
on
the
agenda
for
the
september.
B
G
So
we're
short,
a
member
or
two,
how
many
people
are
we
short
now?
It
seems
like
we're.
G
Okay,
the
reason
why
I'm
interested
in
this
is,
I
think
it
is
imperative
that
we
branch
out
and
become
a
much
more
diverse
group,
that
that
represents
our
whole
population,
not
just
the
a
part
of
our
population.
I
think
it's
absolutely
essential.
I
think
that
it'll
be
so
much
easier
for
our
work
as
a
whole
to
be
inclusive.
G
It's
got
to
happen,
and
so,
if
there
is
any
role
that
the
commissioners
can
play
in
terms
of
selecting
other
people
to
join
us,
I'd
certainly
would
very
much
like
to
be
involved
in
that
I
know
we,
I
don't
think
we
ever
have,
but
it's
kind
of
it's
got
to
be
out.
We
just
can't
just
pick
just
you
know
the
first
person
we've
got
to
solicit.
We've
got
to
work
at
it
right.
B
And
that
that's
good,
that's
a
good
point
lonnie
and
back.
I
think
it
was.
In
january.
The
city
council
had
some
discussions
about
interactions
with
the
commission
in
the
council
between
the
commission
and
the
council,
and
they
did
talk
about
actually
looking
at
how
the
council
and
commission
interact,
but
also
they
talked
about
doing
more
active
recruiting
for
the
commissions
where,
hopefully,
the
commissions
would
have
input
in
terms
of
what
their
needs
are.
B
Skill
sets
backgrounds
interests
and
people,
and
that
would
be
advertised
so
that
we
could
find
people
that
meet
some
of
our
current
needs
and
patrick,
and
I
have
discussed
that
off
and
on
over
the
last
several
months.
It's
not
clear
when
they
will
be
actually
filling
positions.
We
we
have
actually
two
vacancies,
but
there
are,
I
think,
three
positions
terms
that
would
have
ended
in
june,
but
they've
been
extended
to
through
through
december,
and
so
those
will
all
be
open
for
fulfilling,
and
hopefully
our
incumbents
will
will
stay
with
us.
B
But
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
actively
pursue
with
the
city
council
and
whoever
is
going
to
be
doing
the
interviewing
that
we
need
to
have
a
say
and
we
would
like
to
to
have
active
recruiting
as
well.
Well,
one
characteristic
of
this
commission
is
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
really
take
on
projects
on
their
own,
that
works
that
works
very
well
and
out
of
necessity.
Necessity.
B
We
did
that
in
the
couple
years
before
or
after
or
before
patrick
joined
us,
we
had
more.
We
were
more
dependent
upon
the
commissioners
to
do
tasks.
So
that's
that's
one
thing:
that's
been
really
quite
successful.
A
And
I
I
would
follow
up
on
what
you
said
lonnie
about
recruiting.
I
think
that
needs
to
happen
now.
I've
heard
a
few
people
have
contacted
us
and
said
that
they're
interested
and
they're
submitting
something.
So
I
have
a
feeling
that
process
is
going
to
start
and
fairly
soon,
and
so
again.
Now
is
the
time
to
kind
of
reach
out
to
people
or
organizations
you
think
might
be
have
good
people
and
ask
them
to
put
their
names
forward,
because
now
is
the
time.
G
A
C
A
Announced
it
at
a
couple
of
city,
council
meetings
and
people
having
you
know,
some
of
the
council
members
have
encouraged
people,
but
you
know
I
could
certainly
I
could
at
least
put
it
out
through
social
media,
so
I
can
put
it
in
like
a
blast
that
goes
out
to
lots
of
different
people
and
then
post
it
on
nextdoor
and
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I'm
happy
to
do
that
to
get
the
word
out.
F
Hey
patrick,
does
college
of
the
desert
offer.
I
know
we
have
a
sustainability
campus
coming,
but
I'd
like
to
recruit.
Somebody
from
college-age
person
would
be
great.
If
that's
possible,
we
could
do
something
with
college
of
the
desert
would
be
except
would
be
interesting.
I
don't
know
what
they
are.
That's
if
there's
any
messing
there.
Yeah.
A
I
I
talked
to
them
a
while
ago
and
they
I
don't
know
that
they
had
a
lot
of
programs
then,
but
but
we
can
maybe
try
to
get
a
message
out
to
them
at
least
okay
to.
H
Patrick
may
I
just
want
to
get
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
dce
because
there's
a
formal
dcd
report
so
just
to
give
you
the
exact
numbers
for
op
down.
So,
as
you
mentioned,
we
launched
in
april
for
the
solar
customer
for
the
non-solar
customers
and
they
fall
solar
customers.
H
H
So
considering
the
situation
when
we
launch
those
are
really
good
numbers,
they're,
absolutely
consistent
and
better
than
many
other
ccas
throughout
the
state,
and
I
also
want
to
do
a
shout
out
to
commissioner
miller
because
she
was
really
the
leading
person
throughout
the
spring
to
be
calling
and
emailing
and
texting
a
whole
bunch
of
people
in
palm
springs
cathedral
city
in
palm
desert
to
get
them
enrolled
in
the
utility
discount
program.
H
That's
now
been
pushed
back
to
edison
because
it
was
their
job
in
the
first
place,
but
we
are
able
to
enroll
167
people
through
outreach
efforts.
Most
of
which
were
done
by
commissioner
miller.
So
thank
you
because
she
really
did
the
a
lot
of
work
there.
Also
on
the
dc
board.
Yesterday,
they
approved
a
short
list
of
four
projects.
I
was
very
involved
in
that
evaluation
team,
so
dc
staff
with
their
energy
consultant
will
be
getting
negotiations
with
two
one
company
that
operates.
H
Two
wind
projects
in
the
city
of
palm
springs
right
by
the
amtrak
train
station
in
the
in
the
wash
area
just
to
the
west
of
indian
canyon,
one
solar
project
under
construction
in
the
desert
at
desert
center
and
another
solar
storage
project
into
larry
county.
H
So
those
will
lock
in
renewable,
solar
and
wind
resources
for
dce
at
a
really
good
rate,
and
then
also
we
had
a
brief
presentation
yesterday
for
grid
alternatives,
which
previously
has
done
some
solar
installations
in
a
couple
of
houses
in
the
chuckwalla
road
area,
not
clear,
if
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
that,
but
once
we
get
some
clarity
on
what's
eligible
in
palm
springs
in
the
marketing
plan,
we
can
bring
that
back
to
the
commission
and
then
just
briefly
on
dwa.
Their
board
met
this
morning.
H
In
addition
to
the
airport
grant,
they
got
another
290
thousand
dollars
from
the
state
prop
1
for
turf
conversion
and
a
75
000
grant
from
the
bureau
of
reclamation,
which
still
also
uses
them
for
turf
conversion
as
part
of
their
matching
funds
and
folks
continue
to
conserve
water
and
cumulative
savings
over
the
last
12
month
period
is
18.8
percent
compared
with
the
2013
benchmark.
So
those
are
some
of
the
quick
report
backs
from
dce
and
dwa.