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B
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F
Well,
welcome
back
everybody
I'm
excited
to
see
everybody
and
just
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
everybody's
work
on
the
Commission
and
we're
gonna
be
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
guys
a
lot
this
next
year
on
lots
of
different
things
so
appreciate
your
time.
I
know
you
have
lots
of
other
ways
that
you
could
spend
it,
and
so
we
appreciate
you
spending
it
with
us.
So
just
a
few
things
to
update
you
on
a
couple
comments
about
recent
council
meetings.
First
is
the
July
24th
council
meeting.
F
We
discussed
the
solar
zoning
ordinance
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
That
is
basically
coming
back
to
the
group
to
have
some
revisions
based
on
counsels,
comments
and
I'll.
Let
David
talk
more
about
that
later,
September
18th
tomorrow's
meeting.
We
have
the
exciting
topic
of
downtown
trashcans
back
on
the
agenda,
so
that
will
be
going
forward
for
a
vote
of
the
council
and
then
there's
also
going
to
be
the
ordinance
about
the
no
dogs
allowed
on
trails.
F
Yes,
so
so
the
message
was
clear:
yes,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention:
I
sent
around
to
everybody,
along
with
the
meeting
packet,
a
sample
of
business
cards
and
a
letterhead
for
you,
guys
to
use
and
I
would
welcome
any
comments
or
feedback
that
you
have
on
that
Roy
you'd
mentioned,
making
the
fonts
a
little
bit
bigger
and
I.
Think
I
did
that
on
this,
this
version.
F
F
C
I
was
just
gonna.
Do
two
quick
comments?
You
have
us.
Can
we
put
a
comma
between
pom
in
the
memo
picture
column
between
Palm
Springs
in
California?
That's
my
copy,
editing,
okay
day
is
catching
up
with
me,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
the
city
uses
or
maybe
it's
the
convention
and
bureaus
Bureau
uses
a
specific
font.
That's
very
sort
of
funky
mid-century,
modern,
yeah
I,
don't
live,
that's
proprietary
or
not
so.
C
G
Maze
God
get
I
can
read
my
eyes
well.
I
I,
like
blue
and
I
like
green,
but
I,
think
the
shade
is
too
dark
for
Palm
Springs
too.
G
F
The
reason
that
we
put
advisory
board
member
on
there
was
because
it's
consistent
with
the
way
that
it's
termed
for
your
email
addresses
so
basically
the
way
that
the
city
refers
to
you
guys
as
advisory
board
members
and
so
I
can
I
can
put
Commission
member
there.
But
I
was
trying
to
do
it
to
be
consistent
with
the
naming
convention
in
that
email,
yeah.
G
G
F
G
I
know
I
actually
I
was
wondering
where
the
rebranding
idea
came
from
number
one
and
because
I
loved
our
previous
icons
and
I
didn't
see
any
I
feel
like
maybe
I
was
the
one
that
you
know.
Let
the
monster
out
or
something
not
not
in
meaning
you
of
course
Patrick,
but
because
I
had
asked
for
the
cards
well,.
F
F
F
Sounds
good
all
right
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
think
I
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
more
things.
So
one
was
just
a
heads
up
that
P
STS
is
working
on
their
regular
annual
rate
increases,
so
you'll
probably
be
seeing
that
and
you
might
see
that
before
our
next
meeting.
So
it's
just
part
of
their
standard
package
that
goes
forward
every
year,
so
so
you'll
be
seeing
that
and
then
they
are
working
on
a
special
rate
increase
as
well
and
I'll
tell
you
more
about
that
as
we
get
closer
to
them.
F
So
just
a
heads
up
on
that
and
then
the
other
thing
was
that
in
addition
to
the
council
meetings,
we
also
had
a
couple
of
community
meetings.
So
jr.
and
Jeff
had
a
listening
session.
Lonnie
and
David
said
a
few
words
at
those
meetings
and
a
few
items
that
came
up
there.
One
was
a
new
topic
of
Helium
and
the
scarcity
of
helium,
and
so
that
was
something
that
we
noted
and
then
smoking
ordinance
was
asked
about.
F
Also-
and
that
is
an
item-
that's
still
with
council,
based
on
what
we
had
drafted
as
a
draft
ordinance
and
then
the
dog
signs
also
came
up
and
I
thought.
Marcus
and
David
had
a
really
great
response
to
that,
so
something
that
we're
doing
it
because
we
need
to
do
it
and
then
the
second
thing
was
there
was
a
second
meeting
for
the
business
community
and
I.
Think
the
only
thing
that
came
up
on
that
front
was
the
delay
in
the
solar
permits
that
people
might
be
experiencing.
F
F
Of
Moline
is
there
not
necessarily
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
but
worldwide.
So
there
are
only
two
sources
of
helium
and
it
is
growing
scarce
and
it's
a
necessary
component
of
like
medical
devices
like
MRIs,
and
things
like
that.
So
so,
there's
some
movement
afoot
to
try
to
limit
the
use
of
helium
in
unnecessary
uses,
so
yeah
well,
not
necessarily
in
City
but
globally.
So
yeah.
C
If
I
can
also
a
complement,
complement,
Whitney,
Mantor,
Tallarico
Commissioner
Miller
at
the
community
forum
with
Council
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem
chorus
and
council
member
Roberts
had
suggested
and
I
seconded
that
there
be
a
study
session
with
Council
and
the
and
the
Commission
I
believe
the
last
one
was
June
2016
I,
don't
think
we've
had
one
since
then
so,
and
that
was
when
the
sustainability
plan
was
adopted.
C
A
My
expectation
is
if
we
did
that
it
would
be
in
the
evening
I
get
five
or
six
o'clock,
but
we'll
have
to
work
on
that:
okay,
okay,
great
Thank,
You
Patrick.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
public
comments.
This
time
is
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
sustainability
Commission
on
Commission
value
on
Commission
values.
Excuse
me
to
a
stain
there's
a
typo
here
to
address
the
sustainability
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission,
not
a
typo
I,
read
it
wrong.
A
B
B
B
Many
of
the
conservation
organizations
in
the
desert,
along
with
the
environmental
groups,
have
been
concerned
about
the
pressure
being
put
on
our
public
lands
by
the
current
federal
administration,
and
we
are
using
this
celebration
to
bring
to
the
forefront
the
values
that
we
see
that
we
see
and
we
think
most
of
our
local
decision-makers
see
in
terms
of
the
value
of
these
public
lands
to
our
communities
and
and
we're
just
we're
asking
the
cities
in
the
desert
here
to
pass
a
resolution
in
support
of
the
recognition
of
the
25th
anniversary
of
the
desert.
Protection
Act.
B
A
H
There
we
go
hi
everyone,
Paul,
Henrickson,
Palm,
Springs,
I'm,
gonna
wing
this,
because
I
didn't
realize
sustainability
was
today
and
so
I
rushed
in
helium
I
was
the
one
that
brought
it
up
at
the
Town.
Hall
I
won't
talk
about
that
right
now,
but
if
you
want
me
to
come
back
and
discuss
it
more
later,
I
will
basically
there's
ten
years
supply
left
for
the
planet
and
I
know.
Patrick
has
seen
some
emails
regarding
it.
One
of
the
other
things
I
want
to
talk
about
and
I,
don't
know
if
this
Commission
has
heard
of.
H
If
you'd
raise
your
hand
if
you've
heard
of
sf6,
also
known
as
sulfur
hexafluoride
have
any
of
you
heard
of
it.
Yeah
has
it
I,
don't
know
if
it's
ever
been
discussed
here,
but
it
is
a
concern.
Environmentally
there's,
some
it's
twenty
three
thousand
five
hundred
times
more
warming
to
the
environment
than
co2
is
it's
used
primarily
in
the
electrical
energy
in
gear
switches
and
when
it
leaks
it's
persistent
and
stable.
It
gets
into
the
environment
and
it
lasts
stable,
effectively,
warming
the
planet
for
about
a
thousand
years.
H
So
when
we
do
have
a
leak,
it's
serious
and
it
affects
our
climate.
There
are
some
regions
and
that
have
actually
banned
the
use
of
it.
The
industry
is
reluctant
to
stop
using
it
because
it
means
change.
There
are
alternatives,
they're
slightly
more
expensive,
not
prohibitively
more
expensive,
but
when
you
talk
about
our
environment
and
the
effects
on
it
for
a
long
time
it
matters.
H
So
I
was
hoping
there
might
be
a
time
in
the
future
where
that
might
come
up
as
a
formal
discussion,
and
we
could
explore
it
some
more
if
it
hasn't
already
I,
don't
know
so
the
thought
is
perhaps
maybe
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
could
impose
up
a
restriction
on
it,
so
that
it's
not
used
in
the
electrical
switches
here,
which
also
means
in
wind
turbines.
I
spoke
with
some
people,
I
know
well
in
Scandinavia,
who
designed
construct
and
maintain
solar,
solar
farms
and
wind
farms,
including
the
North
Sea,
and
they
don't
use
them.
H
For
those
reasons,
the
environmental
concerns
I
don't
see
the
timer
going
so
Roy
you're
gonna
have
to
say
Paul
cut,
it
short
one
more
minute,
okay,
so
that
was
of
interest
and
another
interest
that
probably
has
been
discussed
and
I.
Don't
know
how
thoroughly,
because
you've
done
such
a
great
job
on
bringing
ordinances
for
solar
requirements
for
new
construction.
H
I,
don't
know
if
reflective
technologies
has
been
a
component
of
that,
but
I'd
really
like
to
encourage
it,
because
one
of
the
reasons
that
our
ice
reserves
on
snow
and
ice
pack
reserves
around
the
planet
are
important
is
not
just
they
supply
the
water,
but
they
also
reflect
the
Sun
and
we
are
in
a
vulnerable
climate
here.
If
we
see
two
degrees
Celsius
increase
on
this
planet,
Palm
Springs
becomes
uninhabitable
and
so
I
think
it's
an
important
component
that
should
be
explored,
and
that
was
it
thanks
all
yep.
H
A
E
A
I
Evening
hope
everybody
had
a
good
summer.
The
summer
here
in
the
city
has
been
kind
of
quiet.
Several
meetings
ago
we
adopted
a
new
reporting
format
for
the
recycling
report.
I
didn't
know
if
you
were
aware
that
not,
but
it
consists
of
8
items,
so
I'll
go
over.
Those.
The
first
item
is
support
for
the
solid
waste
franchise,
and
this
would
be
responding
to
residents,
complaints
and
working
with
the
franchise,
waste,
hauler
and
and
the
state
and
county,
and
things
like
that.
I
had
very
little
contact.
I
I
had
none
with
the
state
and
I
only
spoke
with
Chris
Cunningham
a
couple
of
times,
so
there
was
negligible
contact
this
summer.
The
second
item
is
special
events.
Three
times
a
year,
the
city
puts
on
shredding
events
and
we
collect
e-waste
where
the
residents
can
bring
their
materials
here
and
drop
them
off,
which
route
usually
tried
to
do
them
in
conjunction
with
the
spring
and
fall
cleanup
which
Palm
Springs
disposal
conducts,
and
it's
very
well
received
and
very
well
used.
I
We
didn't
have
any
special
events,
there's
others
like
the
Kids,
Fest
and
1ps,
and
things
like
that.
But
we
didn't
have
any
special
events.
The
third
one
is
preparation
of
the
annual
report.
We
did
submit
the
annual
report,
which
was
due
1
August
and
the
the
state
recognized
that
it
was
submitted,
so
we're
just
waiting
on
their
review
and
their
comments.
I
The
fourth
one
is
tracking
legislation,
that's
where
I
would
go
online
and
and
see.
If
there's
any
thing
unusual
or
any
new
items
coming
up
considering
legislation-
and
it
wasn't
any
I-
haven't
even
heard
anything
on
SB,
1380,
3
I.
Don't
think
the
state
has
been
silent
on
that
so
I
guess
we
wait
and
see.
The
fifth
item
is
attend.
City
meetings
with
city
staff
and
the
meetings
that
I
have
been
attending
is,
with
the
standing,
solid
waste
subcommittee
talking
about
various
items.
I
I
The
usually
the
biggest
item
is
the
amount
of
recyclables
that
we've
collected
and
for
the
month
months
of
July
and
August,
it
was
32
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
tons
of
various
types
of
material,
less
concrete
wood,
drywall
gypsum
green
waste,
so
there
was,
is
probably
right
on
track
of
what
usually
is
in
the
summer.
So
they
did.
It
picks
up
a
little
bit
because
people
were
trimming
back
their
palm
trees
and
things
like
that
and
the
last
one
is
to
report
on
the
current
legislation
enforcement
efforts,
specifically
a
B
341
and
1826.
I
People
doing
what
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
and
we
started
with
a
list
of
about
a
hundred
and
seventy
or
so,
and
it's
been
pared
back
to
a
hundred
and
forty-four
and
I
spoke
with
Chris
Cunningham
earlier
this
week
and
he
said
that
he
would
have
the
list
prepared
early
next
week
and
from
that
we
can
decide
what
we
want
to
do
next,
so
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Yes,
sir.
H
I
F
H
I
I
I
The
essay
will
dock
the
entire
week.
Residents
can
call
if
they
have
like
a
mattress,
a
a
washing
machine,
a
chair
whatever
they
can
call
Palm
Springs
disposal
and
arrange
for
what's
called
a
bulky
item.
Pickup
and
they'll
send
a
truck
and
a
couple
of
guys
out
there
and
pick
it
up
haul
it
away
for
you
no
charge.
Thank
you.
B
H
On
the
e-waste,
I
think
it
was
the
e-waste
thing
you
were
talking
about.
You
said
that
you
were
looking
for
events
that
you
could
do
it
along
with.
Is
that
correct?
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
sorry
at
the
beginning
of
your
report,
I
may
have
misunderstood,
but
I
thought
you
said
there
was
events
that
were
happening
in
the
city
that
you'd
like
to
take
advantage
of,
so
that
you
could
have.
You
could
set
up
a
collection
of
some
sort
that.
I
I
Palm
Springs
disposal
has
had
asked
conducted
these
the
third
Saturday
in
April
and
the
third
Saturday
in
October
for
20
years,
and
there
was
some
something
that
came
up
last
year
and
I
asked
Chris
if
he
would
be
interested
in
moving
and
he
wasn't
interested
and
move
in
there
date
John,
that
isn't
to
say
that
we
can't
contact
desert,
Ark,
they're,
always
looking
to
do
events.
So
maybe
we
could
have
an
e-waste
collection
at
a
at
a
yeah,
I'm,
pretty
sure
they'd
be
up
for
that.
E
So
I
had
a
couple
of
comments
on
the
new
reporting
format
for
the
way
the
amount
of
material
is
being
collected
as
reported
out
so
I.
My
understanding
is:
that's
been
expanded
to
include
haulers
that
we
don't
have
a
contract
with.
So
that's
that
does
expand
the
scope,
but
my
thought
is
that
what
we're
really
where
we
are
right
now
is
we're
only
talking
about
sources,
we're
not
talking
about
in
uses.
So
while
it's
good
to
have
that
level
of
reporting
as
a
start,
the
end
users
piece
is
probably
the
more
important
part.
E
So
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
the
haulers
can
even
report
that
out
to
us,
but
I
wonder
the
real
value
seems
to
be
in
figuring
out,
what's
happening
to
it
afterwards
for
from
our
perspective.
So
as
an
example,
if
our
concern
is
reducing
the
amount
of
material
that
goes
to
landfill
or
that's
being
warehouse,
because
we
don't
have
sufficient
facilities
for
recycling,
we
want
to
understand
what's
being
done.
Where
is
it
going
and
do
we
like
it
or
don't
we
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment?
Okay,.
I
There's
one
other
thing
that
I
failed
to
mention
the
city
does
have
green,
will
our
gardeners
basically
landscapers
and
we
found
out
that
the
materials
were
being
taken
to
two
facilities
down
in
thermal
area.
One
facility
is
at
the
Empire
Polo
Grounds
and
is
run
by
a
gentleman
by
the
name
of
John,
Berman
and
I
have
known
mr.
Berman.
For
many
years
he
used
to
run
the
cow
biomass,
the
80
acre
for
a
green
waste
facility
and
thermal,
but
they
closed
that
down.
I
The
other
one
is
run
by
a
gentleman
who's,
just
getting
started
and
he's
not
licensed
yet,
but
he's
in
the
process
of
working
through
the
license
and
he's
working
with
the
BIA
and
and
the
try
and
the
local
tribes
down
there.
So
that
is
two
additional
sources
of
material
that
we
can
report
on
as
soon
as
the
second
one
becomes
licensed.
So.
F
I
A
In
the
agenda,
we'll
move
on
to
old
business
and
the
first
item
they
in
that
section
is
the
downtown
trash
recycling
receptacle
update
from
Patrick
all.
F
Right
just
real
quickly
again,
it's
that
item
is
going
to
come
back
on
the
agenda
on
tomorrow's
council
meeting.
Just
as
a
refresher,
the
Commission
had
basically
passed
a
resolution
to
for
the
city
to
buy
some
new
trash
and
recycling
containers.
We
identified
those
containers
priced
them
out
over
the
last
few
weeks
and
worked
out
the
design
with
the
provider,
and
so
all
that
is
in
the
staff
report,
and
so
that's
gonna
go
before
council
tomorrow.
F
The
total
price
was
about
three
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
of
which
the
recycling
fund
will
pay
for
the
recycling
receptacles,
which
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
So
so
that's
the
plan
so
we'll
see
how
that
goes
with
over
with
council.
These
are
the
containers
that
we
are
potentially
purchasing.
So
again,
those
are
it's
all
in
the
staff
report.
That's
before
council
so
anyway,
so
that's.
They
were
identified
based
on
the
parameters
that
maintenance
provided
and
that
you
guys
agreed
to,
and
so
that's
how
that's
what
we're
going
forward
with.
A
Then,
moving
on
to
the
next
item
under
old
business,
that's
the
solar
zoning
ordinance
and,
as
patrick
said
earlier
during
the
July
24th
City
Council
meeting,
there
was
a
discussion
of
the
ordinance
and
the
the
council
arm
requested
a
revision
to
the
ordinance.
At
that
time
we
had
discussed
it
and
approved
it
in
March,
I
think
March
19th.
So
we
have
in
the
agenda
a
motion
to
accept
the
recommendations
in
in
the
draft
ordinance.
A
C
Thank
you
very
much,
chair
Clark,
so,
as
mentioned
council
did
consider
it
provided
direction
and
the
key
point
to
the
direction
was
make
it
easier
to
put
solar
on
the
roof.
Was
you
want
a
second
yeah,
a
second
location
I
like
to
make
the
second
thing,
because
I
believe
you've
made
the
motion?
Yes,
okay,
okay,
thank
you,
perfect!
Okay,
thank
you.
C
So
the
key
direction
was
to
make
it
simpler
and
to
reduce
the
barriers
for
installation
of
solar
energy
facilities
in
the
city.
The
revised
ordinance
was
developed
with
discussion
with
manager
of
Tallarico
and
planning
services
to
have
and
reflects
my
input,
but
but
clearly
reflects
the
direction
that
council
provided
at
the
meeting,
and
the
key
changes
are
highlighted
in
the
memo.
The
Solar
and
green
building
committee
did
not
meet
earlier
this
month,
so
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
weigh
on
this
new
version.
C
So
have
any
comments
from
that,
assuming
the
Commission
does
approve.
This
revised
version
will
go
before
the
Planning
Commission
next
Wednesday
and
then
the
City
Council
currently
scheduled
on
October
23rd
and
that's
when
council
is
scheduled
to
adopt
the
ordinance
that
will
implement
the
State
Building
Code
and
that's
the
ordinance
not
this
one,
but
that
one
that
will
then
require
sole
as
per
the
state
law
state
regulations
on
all
new
residential
construction.
As
of
January
1st.
C
I'm
available
for
any
questions
there
was
a
committee
meeting
was
scheduled,
but
it
didn't
happen.
So,
if
we're
to
maintain
the
schedule,
unfortunately,
that
means
the
Commission
has
to
consider
it
this
evening
are.
C
A
really
good
question-
and
the
answer
is
this
also
applies.
This
applies
to
both
new
construction,
but
also-
and
probably
more
importantly,
it
makes
it
easier
for
all
retrofits.
So
if
you
decide
that
your
electricity
bill
is
too
high
and
you
want
to
put
solar,
this
will
also
reduce
the
current
requirements
in
the
in
the
zoning
code.
C
For
that,
so
that's
why,
having
seen
the
statistics
there's
far
more
solar,
going
up
in
Palm
Springs
for
people
doing
retrofits
it's
generally
five
to
six
hundred
per
year,
there
isn't
anywhere
near
that
amount
of
new
construction
going
out.
Obviously,
marilyn
is
progressing,
and
you
know
vibe
and
a
few
other
things,
but
most
of
solar,
that's
going
up
in
Palm
Springs
is
an
I
expect,
will
continue
to
be
retrofits,
so
this
facilitates
also
current
zoning
requirements
and
and
eases
them
as
well.
Just.
H
C
It
doesn't
necessarily
overrides
he
see
ours,
although
I
believe
the
state
code
does
the
ordinance
the
zoning
ordinance
doesn't
do
that
I
believe
there's,
probably
some
provisions
in
state
law
that
sort
of
limits.
What's
what
what
HOAs
can
do.
I
have
not
heard
that
that's
been
an
issue,
at
least
in
Palm
Springs,
but
essentially
this
covers
stuff,
probably
more
for
single-family
houses,
because
it
talks
about
setbacks
and
roof
lines,
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
really
the
key
point
on
that.
C
H
I
think
there
is
state
code
limits
what
a
choice
can
prevent,
so
we
might
look
at
later
and
I.
Also,
the
point
of
clarity
is
that
Fischer
freedom
has
done
a
great
job
here,
working
to
a
whole
bunch
of
complicated
stuff,
and
thank
you
very
much.
The
thing
that
I
found
confusing
is
the
state
already
is
gonna
require
solar
on
new
homes.
So
that's
something
our
hands
already
tied
on
that.
H
The
conundrum
is
that
if
we
implement
desert
community
energy,
all
of
a
sudden
we'll
have
a
hundred
percent
renewable
solar
that
we're
buying
and
we're
mandating
that
people
put
solar
panels
on
their
roof,
so
I
think
farther
on
the
road.
This
is
gonna
present
some
some
issues
for
desert
Community
Energy.
If
we're
forcing
people
to
put
solar
on
the
roof,
which
generally
costs
about
three
times
what
it
cost
to
buy
solar
from
a
large
solar
installation.
So
it's
something
we
may
look
at
later
on
down
the
road.
F
A
C
Their
requirement
as
manager
Tallarico
set,
that
is
a
requirement
under
the
energy
code.
2019
energy
code,
going
into
effect,
January,
1,
2020
and
council
will
consider
ended
up
the
ordinance
that
implements
the
entire
building
standard
codes.
So,
yes,
our
hands
are
tied,
but
that
is
only
for
new
construction.
What
this
is
probably
more
effective
on
is
you
as
a
homeowner
or
HOA.
You
decide
that
you
want
to
put
solar
you've
done
all
the
analysis.
You've
run,
though
your
you
know
your
cost-benefit
and
you
say,
I
want
solar.
C
This
will
make
it
easier
for
you
to
do
that.
It
does
apply
for
new
construction,
but
it
mostly
reduces
the
barriers
for
existing
construction,
and
that
was
the
key
direction
from
Council,
because
there
are
a
number
of
aesthetic
requirements
about
how
far
I
can
go
above
your
roof.
It
was
fairly
Palm,
Springs
nitpicky,
to
be
perfectly
honest
with
you
and
councils
direction
are
we'd
like
to
see
more
solar.
Please
have
fewer
barriers
and
less
concerns
about
aesthetics
and
those
aesthetic
requirements
are
actually
in
the
current
zoning
code.
A
That
was
clear
from
your
memo
that
there
was
a
reduction
in
the
requirements
and
when
I
was
reading,
the
the
red
line,
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
and
one
was
and
I
think
you
may
have
partially
answered,
and
that
is
allowing
the
solar
systems
to
extend
five
feet
above
the
roofline,
not
at
the
highest
level
with
the
roof.
Oh
I
assume
that
that
is
consistent
with
what
you
just
said.
F
F
That
was
actually
interesting.
Conversation
that
we
had
with
was
that
they
typically
approve
up
to
five
feet
above
the
roofline,
even
though
there
was
language
that
said
that
it
would
should
be
consistent
with
the
maximum
hide
the
building.
So
so
that
was
we're
pretty
much
just
articulating
what
their
policy
is.
Okay,
I.
C
That
is,
a
state
law
mandating
streamlined
requirements
for
solar
facilities
of
10,
kilowatts
or
less,
and
the
city
is
required
and
did
post
a
whole
bunch
of
guidelines,
and
so
it's
actually,
it
was
scratching
my
head,
because
I
had
drafted
the
ordinance
based
on
the
current
zoning
code
and
then
I
eventually
found
the
backup
for
what
manager
Tallarico
said,
which
is
that
was
the
policy
and
it
is
reflected.
So
this
essentially
codifies
what
is
the
policy.
C
And
that's
once
again,
those
are
the
key
changes.
There
is
a
requirement
and
the
current
zoning
code
about
architectural
review
council
more
or
less
said.
Do
we
really
need
that
it
is
maintained
in
a
couple
of
key
areas,
in
particular
for
historic
sites?
That's
another
provision
in
the
municipal
code
on
the
stage
the
city's
historic
preservation
ordinance
that
they
passed
earlier
this
year.
Thank.
E
C
And
this
is
pretty
much
what's
currently
there
if
it
doesn't
conform
to
the
roofline,
because
that
was
basically
the
aesthetic
that
it
more
or
less
parallels
the
roofline.
So
that's
one
area
that
the
director
would
would
have
to
give
for
single-family
homes
if
it
didn't
and
that's
the
current
that
that's
the
current
provision
as
well,
while
not
conforming
to
the
roofline,
the
other
area,
where
the
Planning
Director
has
discretion,
and
that's
currently
the
case.
That's
actually
is
on
ground
mounted
solar
for
single-family
homes.
There
are
some
of
them.
C
They
tend
to
be
in
the
hillside
developments
and
that's
where
sort
of
the
architectural
review
requirement
did
did
it
apply,
because
there
are
some
ground
mounted
ones
and
depending
on
where
they
were
placed,
they
potentially
could
have
shaded
somebody,
you
know
just
below
that
on
the
hillside,
so
those
the
areas
where
at
least
in
single-family
homes,
the
planning
director
under
this
ordinance
would
still
have
some
discretion.
C
C
C
C
That's
pretty
much,
and
this
was
a
change
that
we
made
about
visibility.
There
was
in
the
previous
vision
version.
It
was
11
more
complicated
than
this
because
it
was
10%.
You
know
cost
and
things
like
that,
and
it
were
required,
probably
more
work
for
Patrick,
because
it
would
have
been
required,
a
specific
sort
of
cost-benefit
analysis
with
that
numeric
figure
that
you
really
would
have
had
to
run.
Some
numbers
I
think
this
gives
some
degree
of
discretion.
You
know
if
this
comes
up.
C
The
I
think
planning
and
sustainability
would
perhaps
need
to
write
some
guidelines
at
the
level
of
the
ordinance.
I,
don't
think,
that's
necessary,
I
think
it's
probably
a
little
bit
of
a
no.
You
know
it
where
you
see
it
and
probably
the
guideline,
although
it's
was
taken
out
of
the
ordinance,
the
guideline
probably
would
be
the
10%
because
you
could
say:
okay,
this
is
going
to
reduce
and
that's
from
some
state
codes
that
I
had
seen.
Also
so
is
it
it's
not.
It's
not
codified.
C
Is
that,
but
that
probably
is
the
number,
but
instead
of
the
previous
ordinance
that
we
had
considered
saying
it
has
to
be
sort
of
the
least
visible
from
the
street,
which
was
very
very
directive.
This
is
a
little
bit
more
flexible,
which
is
to
say,
really
do
try
to
reduce
the
visibility.
But
it
isn't
so
much
as
mandatory.
E
Up
these
two
issues
is
aesthetics,
and
cost-effectiveness
are
always
going
to
be
the
two
issues
that
come
up
as
barriers
to
solar
people.
Don't
want
them
because
they
don't
think
they're
attractive
or
fit
the
style
or
either
they
think
they're
too
expensive.
So
I'm
sure
that
that's
why
these
two
issues
percolated
to
the
top
and
we're
the
ones
that
you
were
focused
on,
but
anytime,
there's
a
discretionary
approval.
It
can
be
a
little
bit
scary,
so
I
was
wondering
if
we
don't
just
want
to.
E
If
the
number
of
discretionary
approvals
are
few
and
far
between
and
we're
really
only
talking
about
ground
mounted
solar,
you
know,
could
could
we
even
push
it
a
little
more
and-
and
the
same
is
true
for
cost-effectiveness,
because
we
put
a
number
and
that
we
felt
comfortable
with
I'm
sure
that
the
the
state
law
has
cost
effectiveness
numbers
in
there.
But
you
know
if
we
put
a
number
I,
think
that
that
would
do
a
lot
to
assure
a
homeowner
that
well.
This
is
where
I
am
I
know
what
I
can
I
can
get
it.
E
C
That's
the
language
in
the
previous
ordinance
I
can
very
quickly
there's,
unfortunately,
exceedingly
little
time
to
make
much
changes.
I
can
basically
redo.
If
that's
the
request
of
the
Commission
I
will
redo
the
ordinance
when
I
get
home
tonight
and
send
it
to
Patrick,
because
it
has
to
go
the
planning
really
tomorrow
morning
there
need
to
get
their
staff
report
out
there.
We
are
under,
unfortunately,
a
very
strict
time
frame.
I,
don't
have
any
problems
with
going
back
with
the
previous
version.
C
I
thought
the
direction
from
Council
was
once
again
to
be
as
Pro
solar
as
we
could
I
mean
that
language
is,
is
there
I?
It
will
require
a
lot
more
work
this
evening
and
and
I.
You
know,
and
and
probably
meeting
Kumbha
coming
back
here
first
thing
in
the
morning
to
work
with
Patrick
and
and
and
staff
to
do
that.
If
that's
the
request
of
Commission
I
will
do
that
work,
but
we
don't
have
much
time
left
so.
F
One
thing
we
could
do
is
we
could
forward
a
request
to
think
about
that
discretionary
portion
of
that
ordinance
to
the
planning
folks
to
discuss
at
their
Planning
Commission
meeting,
because
ultimately
they
are
the
ones
that
will
decide.
So
we
could
say
that
we
passed
it
basically
in
in
spirit
and
then
pass
along,
that.
That
message
has
to
consider
the
removal
or
change
of
the
discretionary
portion
and.
A
C
Right
I'm
just
asking
for
direction
and,
what's
expected
of
me
tonight,
I
I
don't
have
an
awful
lot
availability
tomorrow.
So
if
that's
the
request,
then
I
can
provide
the
language
in
the
previous
version
and
then
that's
what
would
get
passed
on
to
the
planning
so
that
they
can
consider
the
language
and
the
previous
version
and
and
they
would
decide
that
the
Commission
or.
G
In
all
of
these
projects
that
we're
doing
ordinance
or
not
looking
down
the
road,
we're
not
gonna,
get
things
right
all
the
time
and
that
guess
what
we
get
to
come
back
and
change
them,
and
so
this
might
be
one
of
those
circumstances.
But
let's
just
get
it
done
now
and
then
we
can
look
back
and
evaluate
it.
C
Iii
the
language
exists
in
the
previous
version.
The
committee
meeting
was
scheduled
that
didn't
happen.
I
will
do
what
the
Commission
needs
some,
but
this
has
to
go
the
Planning
Commission
basically,
tomorrow,
I
have
availability
this
evening
to
work
and
provide
meetings,
and
then
I
can
immediately
come
to
city
home
with
discusses
managering,
chawla,
Rico
and
planning
tomorrow.
I
have
a
dentist's
appointment,
that'll
be
done
by
10:00,
so
I
can
do
whatever
the
Commission
wants
me
to
do,
but
I
should
know
that
down.
A
H
I
support
the
motion
and
moving
it
on,
as
is,
however,
I'm
intrigued
about
Patrick's
idea
and
I,
like
the
idea
of
sending
some
notes
along,
but
I
am
very
unclear
at
this
point.
What
this
Commission's
notes
would
look
like
I
think
you
have
a
particular
idea
in
mind,
and
maybe
you
haven't
reduced
it
to
writing,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
all
of
us
to
be
on
the
same
page.
H
C
F
H
E
Basically
that
we
should
have
a
plus
or
minus
on
the
cost-effectiveness
number
that
allows
that
allows
for
us
to
be
more
aggressive
for
solar.
You
know
something
to
that
effect.
It
could
be
10%
I'm
getting
confused
on
which
direction
numbers
should
go
on
cost-effectiveness,
but
I
think
it
would.
But
you
you
get
what
I'm
saying
with
make
you
understand
when.
C
It's
easy
because
the
note
would
simply
say
is
that
Commission
discussion
would
be
to
go
back
to
the
10%,
and
that
is
the
language
in
the
version
that
the
Commission
previously
rasuu
received
the
new
and
increased
the
costs
by
10%.
And
that's
that's
the
determination
that
we'd
be
made
by
the
sustainability
manager.
That's
a
fairly
easy
fix
and
I
can
very
quickly
get
you
that
language
and.
E
I
think
just
some
clarity
around
where
the
five
feet
is
measured
from.
Is
it
measured
from
the
point
of
installation
or
is
it
measured
from
the
peak
and
I
doubt
that
we'd
have
many
installations
that
will
go
above
and
beyond
five
feet?
So
I
really
think
that
that
doesn't
even
need
to
be
included
and
it
doesn't
need
to
be
mentioned
as
a
discretionary
approval,
I
think
really
only
ground-mounted.
You
know
if
we
can
just
be
clear
that
this
is
really
gonna
be
about
ground
mounted
systems.
E
F
I
think
there
are
two
compression
Airy
components.
One
is
for
the
planning
folks
in
terms
of
what
it
looks
like
from
a
zoning
perspective
and
a
visual
perspective,
and
the
other
is
the
cost-effectiveness
which
is
yes,
the
piece
that
so
so
I'm
clear
on
that
one
and
then
for
the
and
I
think
as
David
articulated
I
think
there
is
some
other
discretionary
beyond
just
the
ground
mounted
system
that
that
might
be
available
to
planning.
C
I
might
answer,
commissioner.
Coins
is
question.
It
is
five
feet
above
the
surface
on
which
they
are
installed.
So
essentially
that
I
think
is
sufficiently
directive.
It
means
that
if
you've
got
sort
of
an
a-frame
you're
talking
about
you
know
five
feet
above
the
roof,
wherever
the
roof
is
and
not
necessarily
five
feet
above
the
peak
of
a
frame.
That's
certainly
my
understanding
of
what
this
says
and
one.
C
Once
again,
it
does
say
that
if
it's
not
conforming
to
the
roof
of
profile,
that's
where
the
director
has
discretionary
approval
and
so
I
don't
know
whether
there's
a
proposal
to
change
that
or
or
not-
but
that's
that's
where
there
is
discretion
and
that's
consistent
with
the
current
ordinance
as
well.
I
guess.
E
What
I'm
saying
is
that
the
situations
where
you'd
have
a
solar
panel,
that's
mounted
to
the
point
where
it's
five
feet
above
the
surface,
whereas
mounted
would
be
so
few
and
far
between
that.
It
almost
doesn't
make
sense
to
include
it
as
a
discretionary
item,
because
it
just
would
be
so
far-fetched
I
would
think
that,
but
that's.
C
Right,
you
can
go
up
you're
five
feet
above
the
surface
yeah.
You
can
go
up
to
five
feet.
The
only
discretion
for
roof-mounted
is
on
single-family.
Is
it
doesn't
conform
to
the
profile?
So
if
you
have
a
roof
going
this
way,
you
can't
sort
of
put
a
reverse,
butterfly
and
decide
that
you
want
a
solar
like
that
way
or
something
like
that.
So
that's
you
know,
sort
of
far
passage.
I
have
never
seen
anybody
who
wanted
to
do
something
in
that
respect,
but
that.
B
E
I
guess
whether
or
not
is
whether
you
want
to
change
a
roof
profile
from
an
a-frame
to
a
butterfly
or
whether
you
want
to
mount
a
solar
panel,
five
feet
above
the
point
of
installation
I
think
both
of
them
are
so
they
will
be
so
few
and
far
between
that
needing
to
include
them
as
discretionary.
It's
like
saying
you
can't
you
can't
park
a
spaceship
on
top
of
your
house.
You
know
it
would
be
it.
Would.
E
A
A
There's
been
a
motion
in
a
second
but
I,
don't
know
if
we
need
to
add
to
the
motion
that
we
will
include
notes.
We
probably
should
yeah.
C
C
C
A
Happen
so,
but
it's
important
that
we
have
the
discussion,
because
it's
it's
important
that
everybody
here
understands
what
is
what
the
changes
are
and
what
the
notes
and
conditions
are,
because
it
will
be
stated
to
the
City
Council
that
this
has
been
approved
by
the
sustainability
Commission.
Okay,.
C
A
A
A
F
Right,
you
want
to
do
it
all
right.
Well,
I,
don't
exactly
know
what
to
do,
but
so
so
we
have
two
two
positions:
correct
or
just
one
all
right
so
chair
and
vice-chair
up
for
next
year
for
the
next
year.
So
would
anybody
like
to
put
their
name
forward
or
nominate
somebody
for
either
of
those
positions
nominate.
F
F
B
A
Alright,
moving
on
the
next
style
item
in
the
agenda
for
new
businesses,
a
student
rep
from
Palm
Springs,
High
School
or
the
desert,
Learning
Academy
and
Patrick
and
I
have
had
some
discussion
about
this.
As
we've
been
preparing
the
the
agenda,
we've
had
a
we've
had
a
representative
from
Palm
Springs
High
School.
In
the
past,
the
suggestion
was
brought
up
that
we
worked
to
Desert
Learning
Academy,
because
they've
been
active
and
activities
relating
to
recycling
and
I
know.
Rob
is
discussed
a
project
with
them.
A
So
do
you
have
anything
to
report
on
any
discussions
you've
had
with
the
Learning
Academy
or
the
high
school.
F
F
J
F
J
A
G
A
So
there's
this
general
interest
in
having
a
student
rep.
Would
you
like
to
go
and
talk
to
the
people
at.
F
A
F
B
This
issue
came
up.
There
was
sort
of
an
idea
to
have
students
on
as
many
commissions
as
possible,
not
just
their
own
I
know,
I.
Think
the
school
district
has
one
so
I,
don't
know
if
it's
more
efficient
to
just
see
other
Commission's
would
also
be
at
the
same
time,
Susie's
beginning
the
whole
year.
Mm-Hmm,
that's
great.
B
F
Look,
why
don't
I
do
this?
Why
don't
I
check
with
the
other
Commission
leaves
and
our
staff
leads
and
then
I
will
also
do
a
little
investigating
in
terms
of
what
institutions
are
I
assume?
We
want
to
stick
with
high
school-age
students,
so
I'll
look
into
what
other
institutions
are
in
the
area
that
might
make
sense
so
I.
A
A
The
next
item
is
fountain
grass
eradication.
At
the
last
meeting
in
July,
you
recall
that
Jennifer
Prado
came
and
spoke.
Also,
Traci
Merrigan
spoke
about
fountain
grass
ratification
and,
as
we've
been
talking
about
the
agenda,
we
felt
that
a
very
strong
case
was
made
for
eradicating
the
fountain
grass.
It's
just
a
matter
of
how
and
you
recall
that
the
main
way
of
doing
it
is
to
dig
up
the
fountain
grass
and
then
bag
the
seeds
for
some
period
of
time.
So
it's
a
rather
labor-intensive
and
complicated
process.
A
So
one
thought
that
we
had
was
that
we
might
start
with
the
city
and
see
if
the
city
could
do
it
on
some
uncertain
lands,
and
the
thought
was
to
talk
to
Stacy,
Shaffer,
who's,
head
of
maintenance
and
facilities
and
to
see
if
something
could
be
worked
in
with
the
contracted
landscapers
that
we
have
in
the
city.
So
we
just
thought
we'd
bring
it
up
for
discussion
to
9:00
them.
H
Know,
there's
been
some
impromptu
discussion
of
removal
of
fountain
grass
up
and
I
was
with
Canyon
and
it's
a
big
effort
to
get
it
from
up
there
all
the
way
down,
and
it
seems
like
with
the
huge
amount
of
winds
that
we
have
all
the
time
if
people
are
still
going
to
Home
Depot
and
planning
fountain
grass
all
over
the
place.
It's
just
gonna
reattach
itself
so
seems
to
like.
H
B
H
G
There
are
a
lot
of
features
of
our
recycling
campaign
that
are,
that
involved
more
than
recycling
of
items,
but
actually
making
a
citywide
policy
decision
about
whether
we
want
to
have
certain
items
in
our
city
or
should
they
be
banned,
for
instance,
styrofoam
would
be
one
of
those,
so
I
think
this
is
something
that
actually
dovetails
nicely
with
anything
that
we
do
programmatically
and
the
next
thing
that's
up
besides
the
single-use
plastic,
which
is
underway
at
this
point,
would
be
the
recycling
program.
So
to
me,
that
seems
like
a
natural
vehicle.
A
H
Was
riding
my
bike
today
by
I?
Think
it's
the
Wellness
Park
I'm,
pretty
sure.
There's
fountain
grass
planted
there
City,
so
it's
a
beautiful
park,
but
maybe
we
should
consider
looking
in
our
own
house
first
before
we
anything
like
that.
So
maybe
when
did
we
talk
to
our
landscaping
staff?
We
could
ask
if
that's
currently
part
of
our
landscape
and
I
hate
to
say
anything
bad
against
that
Park
as
it
was
a
spectacular
looking
Park
but
I
think
I
saw
them
I.
H
B
F
So
we
were
thinking
about
that
as
part
of
our
recycling
efforts
and
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
integrate
that
into
our
city
app,
and
so
we
haven't
really
had
much
more
discussion
about
that.
But
we
are
gonna,
be
looking
at
our
next
subcommittee
meeting.
You
got
the
website,
I
kind
of
redoing
the
website
and
getting
people's
feedback
on
that.
So,
but
no,
we
haven't
had
much
more
discussion
around
that.
F
F
F
A
On
then,
to
the
next
item
under
new
business,
the
community
garden
naming
plan
we've
been
discussing
that
as
well
as
we
prepared
for
the
this
meeting
and
a
suggestion
has
been
made
that
we
have
a
ceremony
on
early
in
December,
I.
Think
the
week
of
December
9th
on
Monday
morning,
and
you
may
recall
that
back
last
spring
wheat,
we
did
vote
to
buy
some
trees
for
Arbor
Day.
A
A
We
did
actually
spend
quite
a
bit
of
time
yeah
mr.
Putterman
did
and
she
talked
to
I
think
maintenance,
Stacey
and
I'm,
not
sure
I,
don't
recall
now
what
what
kind
of
trees
but
I
was
hoping
she'd,
be
here
tonight
to
support
this
discussion,
but
that
that
has
been
taken
care
of,
thank
you
and,
and
we
did
specify
that
we
should
have
adequate
irrigation
for
the
trees
when
they're
planted
right.
A
A
A
And
the
next
item
is
the
resolution
on
the
California
desert,
Protection
Act,
and
we
had
a
discussion
during
public
comment
or
an
introduction
to
that
during
public
comment
and
I'll
give
a
little
bit
more
background.
But
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
I
received
an
email
from
councilmember
Coors
with
a
copy
of
the
resolution,
and
he
said
that
the
City
Council
was
going
to
be
considering
that
sometime
in
October
and
that
he
thought
that
it
would
be
appropriate
for
the
sustainability
Commission
to
review
it
and
vote
on
it
as
well.
A
So
I
asked
him
to
provide
a
little
bit
more
background
and,
and
he
did,
it
turns
out
that
a
past
Commissioner
member
joan
taylor,
who
is
a
member
of
the
sierra
club,
provided
this
document
here
and
the
the
main
thing
it
does
give
a
lot
of
the
same
information.
That's
in
the
resolution
that
was
also
sent
to
everybody
but,
as
was
pointed
out
earlier,
there's
an
effort
going
to
get
a
number
of
communities
in
the
in
the
desert
to
approve
this
resolution
that
the
goal
is
25
communities
to
approve
their
resolution.
A
A
It
it's
it's
a
separate
document,
but
a
lot
of
the
information
in
this
document
is
the
same.
As
in
the
resolution.
Can
you
put
the
the
resolution?
Is
there?
That's
it's
a
lot
of
we're
asses,
but
when
you
get
to
the
end,
it
says
be
it
resolved
and
the
we're
asses
or
a
literally
a
lot
of
the
same
information.
That's.
A
Doesn't
it
doesn't
refer
to
it,
but
maybe
I
wasn't
clear,
but
the
resolution
basically
is
the
last
paragraph.
Now,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
The
we're
asses
are
a
lot
of
background
justified
justifying
it,
but
the
other
document
that
was
sent
to
us
by
John
Taylor
gives
a
lot
of
the
same
background
and
does
make
the
point
that
there's
an
objective
of
getting
twenty
five
cities
at
least
twenty
five
cities
within
the
the
desert
to
two
of
them.
A
J
Right
have
you
had
any
discussion?
It
looks
to
me,
like
the
meat
of
this
resolution
is
in
the
first
sentence
there
honors
and
recommends
so
it's
it's
lovely
to
honor.
This
and
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
vote
against
this
resolution.
The
recommence
is
an
interesting
word
choice,
because
it
suggests
that
that
there's
been
a
falling
off
either
that
there's
been
a
falling
off
of
the
original
excitement
or
commitment
to
this
resolution
or
I
mean.
J
A
B
G
A
B
G
This
this
originally
was
this
whole
collaboration.
You
know,
if
you
see
the
last
the
third
paragraph
on
the
original
document
here,
it's
a
collaboration
of
a
lot
of
wonderful
organizations.
Most
of
them
still
exist,
if
not
all
of
them,
probably
all
of
them
and
they've
worked
for
years.
Tirelessly
for
all
of
the
desert
communities,
the
Mojave
and
the
Sonora
I
mean
it's
just,
and
just
this
year
we
won
Cadiz,
which
was
a
horrific
kind
of
private
enterprise
that
wanted
to
suck
the
water
out
of
the
Mojave
Desert.
G
That
was
just
this
last
year
and
it
went
through
our
state
legislature
is
brilliant.
It
took
two
years
for
it
to
go
through
and
then
we've
had
other
victories
and
within
a
relatively
short
period
of
time
as
well.
Eagle
Crest
is
still
hovering,
but
they
look
like
they're
getting
deader
all
the
time.
So
I
mean
this
is
a
very
active,
active
effort.
It's
not
like
it
happened
25
years
ago,
and
it's
still
going
on
it.
We
still
have
to
fight
it
fight
for
it.
A
B
A
C
Okay,
a
few
things
as
I
mentioned,
we
didn't
meet
last
month,
but
we
have
a
lot
on
our
agenda
for
next
month.
So
for
we'll
be
looking
at
when
we
actually
do
meet
is
a
home
energy
audit
program.
I
did
a
lot
of
research
on
that
the
summer
and
have
discussions
for
committee
members
we're
looking
at
EB
charging
standards
and
I
know
manager.
Talarico
spend
looking
into
that.
C
If
we
could
discuss
what
the
relationship
between
the
Commission
and
the
HSP
be
so
those
among
the
things
on
our
agenda
for
next
month
and
we'll
report
back
to
you
when
we've
got
some
proposals
and
to
be
posted
on
our
progress
and
the
other
thing
is
that
we
now
do
have
a
date
for
the
energy
code
training
session,
that
is
on
Wednesday
November
6
from
8
to
11:30.
You
see
our
Palm
Desert
and
presentation
will
be
made
by
energy
code.
C
C
I
would
prefer
if
we
could
do
it
on
the
second,
if
that's
okay
with
you
Commissioner
coins,
because
the
first,
which
would
be
normally
we
meet
on
the
first
Tuesdays,
but
that
is
the
second
day
of
our
shoshana
and
I'm
not
available
that
day.
So
the
proposal-
and
we
can
take
that
offline-
would
be
to
meet
on
Wednesday
October,
2nd
at
10:00
a.m.
A
F
So
a
couple
of
things
that
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
for
you,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
just
did
yesterday
that
I
was
just
going
to
give
you
an
update
on
was
that
we
had
a
stakeholder
meeting
on
the
plastic,
single-use
plastic
food
wear
ordinance,
so
I
tried
to
I
sent
letters
to
all
of
the
local
businesses
that
had
food
service
in
their
in
their
domain,
and
then
we
also
sent
messages
through
the
hospitality,
Association
links
and
also
through
the
Main
Street
electronic
outreach
tool.
So
so
we
did
all
of
that.
F
F
So
I
had
a
bunch
of
background
in
there
about
why
we're
doing
this,
and,
of
course,
we've
heard
that
before
and
we're
all
aware
of
the
problem
with
plastics
and
so
I
really
just
wanted
to
focus
on
a
couple
things
in
terms
of
the
ordinance
itself.
I
had
some
great
graphics.
They
were
lovely
very
compelling
yesterday,
so
just
a
reminder
that
there's
actually
a
lot
of
ordinance
or
there's
the
state
legislation.
That's
going
on
with
regard
to
this
topic,
so
there
might
be
things
coming
through.
F
The
state
actually
did
pass
a
single-use
plastics
some
legislation
with
regard
to
their
own
facilities,
so
they
switch
to
either
compostable
recyclable
or
reusable
in
their
own
operations.
So
so
again,
I
think
something
more
broad
is
probably
on
the
way
and
lots
of
other
cities
have
done
ordinances
around
these
issues.
Again,
our
time
line,
you
guys
did
some
work
on
this
last
year.
Did
a
report
came
to
the
full
commission?
F
You
guys
said
yes,
we
should
go
forth
and
do
an
ordinance
council
supported
that
this
summer
and
said
yes
go
forth
and
do
do
it
fast.
We
want
it
done
and
be
bold,
so
so
anyways
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that,
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
did
was
include
the
business
community
in
that,
as
we
have
been
talking
about
this,
and
we've
been
learning
more
about.
F
What's
going
on
up,
there
really
I
see
this
as
a
broader
initiative,
and
so
what
what
we
really
want
to
do
is
focus
on
eliminating
single-use
plastics,
where
possible
and
promote
a
reduced,
choose
and
reuse
culture
throughout
the
city.
So
it's
not
just
about
what
businesses
are
doing
and
what's
out
there,
but
also
what
people
how
people
are
deciding
and
how
people
are
thinking
about
these
things.
So
we
really
want
to
think
about
this
broadly,
so
our
general
approach
to
the
food
wear
ordinance
itself
again.
F
The
first
thing
we
want
to
do
is
encourage
or
require
reusable
products
when
possible.
That's
really
the
only
way
to
sort
of
get
rid
of
this
problem.
Substituting
remaining
plastics
with
readily
compostable
products
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
reducing
disposables
through
on
request
only
and
then
having
limited
exceptions
in
certain
cases
where
there's
hardship
or
there's
certain
needs,
and
then,
where
there
aren't
any
alternatives,
then
choosing
not
to
enforce
things
where
that
we
know
that
there
are
no
options.
F
F
So
that
was
wargames
with
Matthew
Brunner,
but
one
of
the
interesting
things
that
we
found
from
this
conference
that
we
went
to
is
this:
there's
an
initiative
called
rethink,
disposable
and
they're
doing
work
in
a
couple
of
cities
and
they've
gotten
166
businesses
to
sign
up
for
this
they've
managed
to
prevent
reduce
packaging
by
seventeen
point.
Eight
million
I
think
that's
in
tons
or
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
seventeen
point
eight
million
packages
that
they've
avoided
and
then
there's
two
hundred
and
three
thousand
pounds
of
waste
that
they
avoided.
F
And
then
these
businesses
are
saving
money
so
about
five
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
across
the
hundred
and
sixty
six
businesses.
So
again
we're
promoting
this,
not
only
as
a
the
right
thing
to
do
environmentally
but
business-wise
to
compostable
is
we
know
there
are
issues
with
this
we're
looking
in
this
at
this
as
a
better
alternative
to
plastics.
But
we
know
it's
not
the
answer.
It's
still
disposable.
So
that's
why
we
focus
on
reuse
and
why
not
just
allow
recyclables
people
had
a
lot
of.
F
We
had
a
lot
of
discussion
about
this
at
the
morning
session
about
the
fact
that
you
know
once
they
get
into
the
system.
If
you
know
they
might
be
food
contaminated,
they
can't
be
recycled,
they
contaminate
other
products.
People
are
confused
about
it
and
then
a
lot
of
these
things
are
just
too
small
and
they
did
just
get
end
up
in
residual
anyway.
F
So
this
is
another
thing:
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
articulated
in
there
and
there
was
a
question
that
was
raised
about
health
requirements
and
there
actually
isn't
a
health
health
department.
Prohibition
of
doing
this,
so
I
did
find
that
out
yesterday.
So
so,
when
reusable
is
not
an
option,
we
want
to
promote
compostable
and
make
sure
that
it's
readily
compostable
and
free
of
fluorinated
chemicals.
F
We've
mentioned
the
idea
that
some
cities
are
considering
this
a
fee
for
disposable,
so
tacking
on.
Just
what
could
we
do
for
plastic
bags,
an
additional
five
ten
cents
for
disposable?
Where,
if
you
get
that-
and
so
that's
still
something
that's
out
there
in
our
heads,
we're
thinking
about
and
then
aluminum
containers
are
acceptable.
So
lots
of
communities
are
allowing
for
aluminum
to
be
used.
So
aluminum
like
containers
for,
take
out
to
take
out
and
stuff
like
that,
mostly
because
it's
readily
recyclable
and
it's
not
plastic.
F
So
that's
when
I
want
to
investigate
a
little
bit
more
because
that's
I
think
an
interesting
idea.
So
just
to
be
clear
and
I
don't
know
if
this
will
be
explicit
in
there
or
not.
But
certainly
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
polystyrene
that's
being
used
out
there
for
food,
where
no
plastic
straws
and
no
plastic
backs
so
anyway.
So
those
are
just
to
be
clear
and
then
again,
this
is
how
some
of
the
exception
languages
is
worded.
F
F
So
and
then
just
from
a
bigger
picture
perspective,
you
know,
as
we
did
our
audit
of
the
park,
we
not
only
saw
the
guy
who
was
that
the
vendors
stand
using
his
polystyrene
containers,
but
we
also
saw
all
the
picnickers
out
there
using
their
polystyrene
dishes,
and
so
the
thought
is
to
really
work
with
our
retail
establishments
to
prevent
that
from
happening
as
well.
Eliminate
Hotel,
toiletries
and
plastic
bottles.
F
I
think
that's
probably
going
to
come
down
from
the
state
sooner
than
then
we'll
get
to
it
and
then
closing
any
plastic
bag
loopholes
that
we've
got
in
the
system
and
certainly
lots
of
other
things
that
we
can
do
on
this
front.
So
so
I
really
look
at
this
as
a
longer-term,
bigger
picture
initiative
and
I
think
we
can
have
a
real
impact
here,
so
so
anyway,
so
that
was
it
so
I
pepper,
din
some
of
the
feedback
that
we
got
with
with
what
what
we're
thinking
about
yeah.
G
Saturday
night
were
at
this
meeting
and
in
the
morning
and
and
I
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
Patrick
did
a
fabulous
job.
The
thing
that
I
liked
about
it,
the
most
was
in
terms
of
motivation.
He
expressed
it
in
in
terms
of
hey
folks,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
with
this
too.
You
know
I'm
just
getting
you
know
my
makeup
all
straightened
out
and-
and
it
really
made
it
like,
you
know
we're
all
in
this
together
and
it's
not
easy.
Yeah.
B
E
F
B
E
F
E
Then
my
second
question
was
about
the
health
and
safety
concerns.
So
if
this
is
takeaway
food,
it
will
be
things
that
have
touched.
You
know
people's
mouths
and
especially
for
disposable
utensils,
so
I'm
wondering
is
it
not
against
health
and
safety
protocols?
If
there
is
a
sanitization
plan-
or
you
know
it
doesn't
seem
like
you-
can
just
take
a
container
that
had
food
that
may
have
been
on
someone
else,
I'm
wondering
under
what
conditions
it
will?
It
would
be
possible
for.
F
Reusable
reused,
oh
yeah,
so
reusable
would
follow
whatever
the
standard
protocols
are
were
for
washing
dishes,
yes,
and
so
that's.
The
other
thing
is
that
we
so
we're
we're
actually
going
to
do
a
little
pilot
with
the
cultural
center,
and
so
we're
gonna
try
to
think
through
a
lot
of
these
questions
and
work
through
it
with
them
to
think
about.
Okay,
well,
what
size
dis
Russia
or
what
do
we
need?
E
B
E
F
That's
a
little
bit
different
of
a
different
model
and
some
people
are
actually
thinking
about
that.
In
fact,
I
think
Berkeley
is
gonna,
be
trying
out
a
new
business
service.
So
so
a
service
is
developing.
Where
there's
a
company,
that's
going
to
actually
manage
the
reusable
items
in
the
city.
So
so
you
can
have
a
cup
you
can
get
it
at
one
place,
you
can
drink
from
it
and
then
you
can
go
like
to
the
next
store
down
or
you're
walking
down
the
street,
and
you
can
you
can
drop
it
off
at
the
next
place.
F
F
D
F
So
I
don't
think
anything.
There
is
no
issue
with
the
the
to
go
stuff
and
the
real
question
was
about
the
beverage
containers,
and
so
really
the
health
regulation
is
essentially
that
you
can't
touch
it
touch
the
lip
of
the
rim
to
the
filling
station,
but
then
I
thought
well.
They
have
all
these
places
that
have
refillable
cups.
Thank
you,
so
you're,
just
always
taking
your
cup
of
theirs
anyway,
so
so
anyway,
so
I
think
it
is.
It
is
a
non-issue
essentially,
and
so
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear
for
folks
and.
D
I
don't
know
if
this
is
the
appropriate
time,
but
I
had
spent
my
summer
break
doing
research,
particularly
on
the
hot
and
cold
beverage
for
take-out,
so
I
just
brought
in
from
one
company
that
had
a
scale
and
volume
that
was
sufficient.
That
was
very
interested
in
working
with
us,
but
it
was
an
old
guard
very
progressive
and
the
company
is
run
by
their
own
eco
guru,
a
really
really
sharp
company.
D
F
Why
don't
you
bring
them
up?
We
don't
have
to
necessarily
go
through,
but
we
can
kind
of
pass
them
around.
People
can
take
a
look
at
them
because
I'm
also
conscious
of
time
so
all
right.
So
so
that's
about
the
food
wear
ordinance.
Any
other
questions
about
that
and
again
we'll
be
talking
more
about
this
as
we
we
go
through
the
development
process.
F
B
F
A
One
thing
about
the
messaging
with
the
bill
from
PSD
s:
Cruz
Cunningham
did
bring
that
up
at
the
1p
s
meeting
last
week
and
he
stated
that
if
you
get
a
paper
bill,
there'll
be
an
insert
there.
But
if
you
get
an
electronic
bill,
there'll
be
a
link
to
that
document.
So
right
sure
to
look
for
the
link
and.
F
And
actually
Chris
just
sent
me
a
note
today
saying
that
that
article
was
a
little
too
long
to
actually
include
in
the
page.
But
what
they've
done
is
they've
done
an
excerpt
from
it
or
an
intro
to
it,
and
then
they
link
you
to
the
full
article
so
great
all
right
and
Rob
did
you
want
to
and
actually
when
we're
on
messaging
Lonnie
any
any
other.
Any
other
thing
we
need
to
cover
with
Hirota
messaging
or
outreach
or
anything
okay
and
then
Rob
did
you
want
to
say
anything
about
signage.
J
J
They
were
confined
to
the
container,
so
I
was
up
visiting
Toronto
this
summer,
and
this
is
an
example
of
one
of
their
waste
disposal
stations
in
one
of
their
parks,
and
it
was
an
alternative
design
concept
for
the
signage
and
in
our
subcommittee
meeting
I
presented
it
last
month
and
there's
broad
consensus
that
yeah.
This
is
probably
a
better
way
to
go
so
you'll
see
where
the
sign
is
compared
to
the
two
containers
they
recycle
and
trash.
J
Now
in
the
next
slide,
so
here's
a
close-up
of
the
concept,
the
items
that
we
want
you
to
put
into
the
different
containers
now
are
outside
with
arrows
pointing
to
to
go
in
I,
think
the
major
benefit
of
that
is.
It
allows
us
to
make
them
much
larger
than
if
we
were
trying
to
put
them
inside
the
container
icon
itself,
and
you
see
that
we
can
have
nice
color
coding
on
the
background
blue
for
recycle
brown
or
gray
or
whatever
we
want
for
for
the
garbage.
J
J
So
the
sign
has
what
we
would
like
you
to
put
in
the
containers,
but
also
what
they
had
up
in
Toronto
was
then,
when
you
get
to
the
actual
entrance,
what
we
don't
want
you
to
be
putting
into
a
particular
container
was
depicted
right
there
with
a
sticker
and
and
I
like
that
idea
too.
It
gives
you
a
final
reinforcement
of
we
don't
want
you
to
put
dog
poop
in
recycle
containers
that
sort
of
thing.
J
So
so
we
liked
that
idea
too,
and
so,
if
you
go
on
to
the
next,
so
here's
a
you
saw
earlier
Patrick
showed
you
the
containers
that
are
hoping
that
we
will
order
with
the
city's
money
and
if
the
City
Council
approves
of
it.
So
in
this
case
that
would
be
the
container
that
would
be
in
the
middle
is
the
actual
one
that
we're
gonna
order,
rather
than
this
one.
J
That
I've
shown
you
there,
but
but
this
is
the
idea
about
what
the
signs
would
look
like
for
the
the
garbage
container,
the
trash
container
or
the
landfill.
Would
you
want
to
call
it?
There's
lots
of
room
outside
to
make
these
icons
as
large,
as
we
can
notice
the
Spanish
in
Reverse?
If
it's
up
on
a
sign
like
that,
then
we
can
have
exactly
the
same
sign
on
the
back
or
on
the
other
side,
but
but
with
everything
written
in
Spanish.
The
next
slide
shows
the
concept
for
recycle.
J
This
is
a
big,
interesting
issue
right
now:
you'll
notice
that
there's
not
that
many
different
classes
of
items
that
this
sign
would
have
that
we
want
you
to
put
into
the
recycle
bins
and
we
think
we're
gonna
go
with
that
for
the
moment.
We're
hoping
that
that
what
we
put
up
on
the
signs
we
can
swap
in
and
out
fairly
easily,
so
it
as
conditions
develop
and
things
change,
we'll
be
able
to
change
the
signage
as
well,
because
we
don't.
J
F
J
J
These
are
also
going
to
go
in
the
public
parks
and
the
this
signage
is
the
plan
and
we
found
when
we
did
our
surveys
of
what
was
being
put
into
different
containers,
that
there
was
actually
differences
across
the
parks
fairly
big
ones.
There
was
a
lot
of
dog
poop
contamination
in
the
recycle
containers,
for
example
at
Ruth
Hardy,
where
a
lot
of
people
walk
their
dogs.
There
was
virtually
none
down
and
in
some
of
the
other
parks.
J
So
the
issue
is:
should
we
try
to
customize
this
signage
and
these
labels
for
the
different
areas
where
we
know
that
different
stuff
is
going
in?
And
there
was
some
discussion
about
that,
because
the
the
drawback
is
that
the
more
heterogeneity
we
have
in
the
signage
and
in
these
stickers
across
different
venues,
the
more
confusing
they
might
be
so
interesting
issues
are
being
getting
bandied
about
right
now,.
G
Outing,
you
know
we
have
to
have
to
go
to
the
landfill.
We
have
to
have
at
least
ten
people,
and
it
wouldn't
have
to
just
be
commissioners.
I
know
my
husband
is
dying
to
go
so
I
mean
I.
Think
we
could
make
some
adjustments
there.
It
would
be
a
fascinating
incredible
journey
if
you've
never
done
or
seen
any
of
this
before
I
know
some
of
you
have,
but
the
technology
continues
to
improve
anyway,
just
a
plug.
We.
F
F
F
F
J
E
J
A
Okay.
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
the
standing
Subcommittee
on
World
Environment,
Day,
Commissioner
Futterman
is
not
here
or
have
any.
Has
there
been
any
activity
or
meeting
of
the
subcommittee?
No.
A
F
I
finally
did
hear
back
from
scag
and
they
took
the
information
that
we
gave
them
with
regard
to
the
scope
of
work
for
developing
the
plan
and
they
into
their
format,
and
so
in
doing
so,
I
did
a
crosswalk
with
it,
and
so
it
looks
like
they
captured
everything
and
I.
The
only
thing
that
they
did
not
capture
was
some
very
specific
stuff
about
groups
that
they
should
contact
here
and
and
kind
of
our
own
specific
information,
but
we
have
our
stuff
still.
F
C
That
point
on
the
agenda
for
tomorrow
night's
council
meeting
will
be
a
contract
with
a
firm
I
believe
called
place,
works
to
update
the
general
plan.
There's
a
few
references
there
to
pedestrians,
but
I
would
ask
that
staff
sort
of
discuss
this
with
with
the
planning
folks
and
make
sure
that
they,
the
consultant
retained
for
the
update
of
the
general
plan,
also
coordinates.
With
this.
C
There
will
be
a
steering
committee,
general
plan
steering
committee,
that's
intended
to
be
created
with
Representative
Council,
Planning
Commission
and
for
the
first
time
it's
a
great
idea
why
we
represent
above
each
of
the
five
council
districts.
So
that's
good,
there's
no
mention
of
sustainability,
so
once
again,
either
a
formal
member
of
that
steering
committee,
or
at
least
staff
liaison,
because
there
are
a
number
of
this
goes
so
I'm
saying
this
and
concerning
the
walkability.
C
A
The
second
item
under
walkability
is
something
that
I
added
to
the
agenda
and
that's
crosswalks
projects.
You
recall
that
in
in
our
July
meeting,
Don
Barrett
came
and
made
a
presentation
about
crosswalks
and
he
was
particularly
talking
about
Ramon
Road
and
the
the
need
for
crosswalks
several
places
between
sunrise
and
and
Indian
Canyon.
A
lot
of
activity
has
gone
on
in
the
past
years
relating
to
pedestrian
and
safety
projects.
A
So
all
Patrick
and
I
have
discussed
this
as
well
and
not
that
it
might
be
good
to
set
up
an
ad
hoc
committee
that
crosses
over
between
the
sustained
sustainability
Commission
and
the
code
enforcement
in
Public
Works
Committee
to
start
looking
at
future
projects,
particularly
on
on
crosswalks,
and
we
could
get
engineering
involved.
They
support
code
enforcement,
Public
Works.
A
They
have
information
about
grants,
they
would
be
involved
in
executing
some
of
the
projects,
but
the
the
main
thing
here
tonight
is
to
see
if
there's
any
interest
in
anybody
participating
on
on
that
committee,
we
do
have
one
volunteer
from
code
enforcement
and
Public
Works.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
Commission
who
would
like
to
participate
to
Commissioner
Goines
machine
Flanagan
great,
so
we'll
pull
something
together
in
the
next
week
or
so
and
perhaps
have
a
suggestion
about
went
to
me.
A
A
A
G
I
have
the
pleasure
to
introduce
you
to
Noel
Laughlin
and
she
is
another
she's
one
of
the
members
that
make
us
a
foursome
Carl
and
the
desert
community
of
electric
I
wanted
to
introduce
you
to
her
because
she
is
not
as
member
no
she's,
not
a
member
of
the
sustainability
Commission.
Obviously,
but
we
want
to
include
her
in
our
thoughts
and
in
our
actions
and
our
plans
for
the
DCE,
so
we
all
serve
on
the
advisory
committee.
G
We
haven't
really
talked
about
it
very
much
here
and
so
I'm
kind
of
putting
the
horse
a
little
bit
before
the
cart.
I
just
wanted
to
also
report
David
and
I
went
to
the
last
board
meeting,
which
is
just
yesterday
and
but
I'm
gonna.
Tell
you
about
that
in
a
minute.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
Noel.
G
K
K
So
yes
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
on
the
desert.
Energy
DCE
I'm
really
excited
to
be
on
that
representing
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
I've
lived
in
the
Coachella
Valley
since
97,
so
I
graduated
from
high
school
here
and
I've
lived
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
two
years,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
be
here.
K
K
K
Dc
II,
so
we
are
so
part
of
the
the
Commission.
The
the
Community
Council
or
Commission
that
we
were
on
is
to
help
educate
the
community
on
the
goals
that
DC
e
does
so
DC
is
educating
the
community,
so
the
three
cities
palm
desert,
Cathedral
City
and
Palm
Springs
the
residents
on
the
upcoming
options
that
they'll
have
with
the
various
energy
options
that
they'll
have
so
there's
like
a
hundred
percent
and
I
always
get
the
numbers
wrong.
K
So
I
apologize
but
they're,
not
numbers
of
the
the
source
is
wrong,
still
learning,
but
we
have
the
hundred
percent
carbon
free
and
then
there's
the
5050
option.
So
it's
supporting
the
DCE
with
the
community
outreach
efforts
and
with
my
marketing
background
and
also
I,
am
Baccarin
and
local
government
as
well
I'm,
very
excited
to
be
part
of
that
mission
to
help
educate
the
community.
Thank.
G
G
H
G
Going
to
roll
this
out
and
be
the
first
one
in
the
Coachella
Valley,
it
is
a
hundred
percent
carbon
free
energy
and
we
will
be
automatically
signed
up
for
it
and
then
you
can
opt
out
and
we're
going
to
just
start
getting
postcards
and
you
have
an
option
to
go
back
with.
Pg&Amp;E
PG&E
will
do
the
grid
PG&E
I'm!
Sorry,
it's
a
the
Northern
California,
where
it's
SCE
will
do
the
grid.
It'll.
G
Do
the
marketing
it'll
do
the
billing,
but
we
will
have
the
choice
and
it's
it's
a
community
decision,
Bay
project,
it's
a
really
exciting
big
deal,
but
anyway,
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
details
on
that.
But
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
at
our
board
meeting
yesterday,
we,
a
group
of
us
had
already
gone
through
see
of
some
some
programs
that
were
submitted
to
us
by
five
different.
Basically
marketing
groups.
G
I
guess
that's
how
I
would
describe
it,
but
the
plan
is
for
them
to
go
out
and
to
spearhead
a
program
where
we're
getting
to
the
low
income.
Folks
that
live
in
the
whole
Coachella
Valley,
but
in
particular
now
in
Palm,
Springs
and
then
cat
city
will
open
up
and
then
Palm
Desert,
not
necessarily
in
that
order.
So
what
happens
is
that
we've
got
nearly
half
of
all
of
the
Coachella
Valley
residents
live
at
or
below
200%
of
the
federal
poverty
level.
G
So
there
are
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
need
help
with
their
electricity
and
gas.
We
have
programs,
but
SC
doesn't
really
put
much
interest
in
promoting
those,
and
so
there
were
five
groups
that
we
ended
up.
Looking
at
too
and
interviewing
both
groups.
They
were
both
really
really
good
but
I'm
glad
to
say
that
the
one
that
was
voted
on
by
the
board
was,
let's
call
lyft
to
rise,
and
all
of
the
members
are
half
of
them
are
actually
from
the
Coachella
Valley.
G
The
majority
of
them
are
bilingual
and
they
are
already
entrenched
in
the
Coachella
Valley.
It's
they're
a
fabulous
resource,
they're
new,
unlike
the
the
number
two
group
which
had
been
doing
and
I
think
for
35
years.
These
are
young,
energetic
people
and
I
just
wanted
to
read.
Let's
see
so.
This
is
this
is
part
of
their
their
their
program.
It
says
we
are
a
collective
impact
initiative
partnering
with
local
institutions,
government
and
grassroots
organizations,
and
we
leverage
the
strategic
position
to
align
activities
to
achieve
scalable
results
that
advance
our
vision.
G
This
is
their
vision,
all
Coachella,
Valley
families
are
healthy,
stable
and
thriving.
They
call
this
their
North
Star.
There
they've
already
done
work
with
these
communities
all
over
the
Coachella
Valley
they've
already
had
successes
and
they
just
have
so
much
energy.
It
was
really
brilliant
to
watch
the
presentation
and
to
realize
that
we
have
people
like
this
in
the
Coachella
Valley
that
that
will
work
with
us
in
so
many
ways,
I
mean
this
is
just
really
one.
G
So
the
two
programs
just
briefly
the
first
program,
the
California
alternate
rates
for
energy
care,
would
give
a
30%
reduction
in
the
the
charge
for
electricity.
For
that
low-income
situation,
the
other
one
Farah
is
family,
electric
rate
assistance,
the
discount
there
would
be
18%,
so
they're,
really
significant
discounts
and
their
desire
is
to
get.
C
They're,
largely
the
estimates
of
there
are
roughly
6,000
people
in
the
three
cities
that
are
eligible
and
lift
her
eyes
set
a
objective
of
getting
half
of
those
enrolled
in
the
two
years
in
the
contract.
So
probably
three
thousand
more
people
are
50%
of
the
eligibility,
so
the
DC
Board
was
looking
for
25%
and
lift
to
rias's.
No,
we
want
to
come
up
with
50%,
so
they'll
be
held
to
the
fire.
I
assume
that's
going
to
be
in
their
contract.
So
but
that's
our
objective,
great.
B
H
We
haven't
had
a
meeting
state.
One
thing
that
did
come
up
was
Victor
pelo
pointed
out
that
the
next
deadline
for
application
for
bicycle
friendly
community
designation
is
February
4th
and
Daniel
and
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
getting
it
started
and
Vic
said
he
would
help
us
out
it's
fairly
technical.
So
that's
on
our
to-do
list
and
I
had
been
working
in
the
past,
get
some
bicycle
racks
in
and
I
at
takis
Plaza
buy,
Starbucks
and
I.
Guess.
H
That's
now
been
taken
up
by
grit,
which
is
maybe,
as
a
mitigation
measure
and
they're
gonna,
be
putting
those
buy
correction
for
us.
So.
F
H
A
We'll
talk
about
next
time
a
bighorn
bighorn
sheep,
habitat
protection.
F
B
H
And
so
I
think
that
we're
we
schedule
a
meeting
for
a
week
from
Friday
with
David
Cohan
who's
on
the
Parks
and
Rec
Department,
and
he
leads
a
hiking
club
and
we're
gonna.
Do
some
education
and
awareness
at
the
trailheads
coming
up
with
the
true
Jan
I
think
it's
great
to
get
Parks
and
Rec
involved
and
we're
also
getting
then
Jane
garrison
and
some
of
the
other
folks
set.
Seabag
are
going
to
be
involved
in
that.
H
H
A
standard
yeah
we
need
some
budget
for
that.
We'll
talk
about
that
soon,
yeah,
yeah,
black
jackets,
but
yeah
so
I
think
I
see
you
know.
A
lot
of
people
are
coming
for
the
first
time
and
seeing
these
signs
with
their
dog
and
hopefully
they'll,
leave
there
take
their
dogs
on
different
trails
in
the
future.
So
if
that's
the
case
and.
B
One
comment:
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
a
flyer
for
the
people
with
dogs
that
you
have
a
list
of
trails
where
they
can
take
their
dogs,
because,
if
you've
been
coming
to
that
trail
for
20
years
with
your
dogs
and
suddenly
there's
a
sign
saying,
don't
come
here.
You're
gonna
be
upset,
but
if
they
know
that
they
can
to
Whitewater
one
of
the
other
trails
and
have
a
great
time
with
your.
F
B
A
Sure
that
that
didn't
come
up
too
long
ago,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
progress
has
been
made
on
that
that
issue
and
that's
really
impressive,
very
significant
Wellness
Commissioner
Baker
had
to
leave
water.
Okay.
C
Extensive
rebate
program
for
conservation
that
went
into
effect
on
September,
fourth,
so
applications
already
being
submitted.
There's
a
turf
removal,
remade
of
$2
per
square
foot,
residences,
HOAs
and
commercial
properties,
and
residential
and
commercial
rebates
are
available
for
smart
controllers
and
irrigation
nozzles
they're.
Also,
a
residential
$500,
professional
design,
rebate,
a
$250
rebate
for
high-efficiency
Washington
machines
and
a
business
toilet
rebate
of
up
to
$100
per
oafish
high-efficiency
toilet
with
a
tent
or
--let
minimum
and
Patrick
will
add
a
link
to
the
W
a
rebate
program,
one
our
office
of
sustainability
web
landing
page.
C
Following
up
on
that
Patrick
and
I
met
last
Monday
with
Ashley
massacre
of
DW
a
to
discuss
the
city's
turf
removal
projects
and
Patrick
has
budgeted
one
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
city
turf
removal
and
is
working
with
the
airport's
Park
and
Rec
and
maintenance
staff
to
identify
suitable
locations.
These
projects
would
be
eligible
for
a
$3
per
square
foot
government
rebate
from
DW
a
up
to
$100,000.
So
that
would
give
us
up
to
two
hundred
and
fifty
chairman.
C
All
the
study-
Bonin
concourse
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
the
regional
jet
one
but
I
know
there
is
Wow
yeah
it's
there
than
that
yeah.
Oh,
it's
my
there,
so
that's
great
so
at
least
they're,
so
on
on
both
sort
of
concourses
that
TWA
miss
customers
achieved
21%
reduction
and
portable.
C
Nevertheless,
there
are
some
folks
who
didn't
get
the
memo.
They
are
getting.
Fines,
Patrick
and
I
had
a
brief
discussion
about
what
the
city
can
do
about
that,
but
dwae
does
have
enforcement
authority
and
continues
to
issue
warnings,
and
if
the
warnings
are
not
followed,
they
are
issuing
citations
on
that,
so
they
have
legal
authority
and
they're
continuing
to
do
that.
They
mentioned
that
this
morning,
supported
meaning
I'm.
Finally,
Commissioner
Miller
asked
me
over
the
weekend
if
she
could
join
me
on
water
conservation
issues
and
I'd
be
like
be
delighted.
If
she
could
do
so.
C
So
I
would
ask
chef
Clark
to
reestablish
our
Standing
Committee
on
water
conservation,
which
we
didn't
have
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
there
are
a
few
of
us
who
are
on
it
and
then
appoint
Commissioner,
Miller
and
myself
to
that
committee.
And
then
hopefully
we
can
meet
as
a
committee
with
Patrick
of
in
between
now
and
the
next
Commission
meeting
and
report
back
off
to
you
guys
on
some
plants
that
we
have.
A
K
A
D
The
my
big
takeaway
from
the
director
of
that
particular
company
was
his
first
question
was
not
about
our
recycling
program
or
anything.
But
what
was
our
compost
program
and
not
in?
He
meant
two
types
of
composting
specifically
and
that
this
was
an
opportunity
for
us
citywide
to
organize
our
food
vendors.
D
D
Second
thing,
I'm
also
on
the
pride
planning
committee,
even
though
there
was
tremendous
like
90%
support
on
not
having
enough
not
generating
a
lot
of
plastic
junk
like
Mardi,
Gras
beads
and
the
idea
of
flowers
was
very,
very
well
represented.
I
haven't
given
up
on
that.
So
we're
looking
for
a
donation,
but
they
had
actually
gone
ahead
because
they
could
get
a
tremendous
value
of
really
cheap
plastic.
Mardi
Gras
beads
so
be
prepared
for
that.
But
I,
don't
think
they'll
be
able
to
get
them
anymore
because
they've
been
coming
from
China.
So
that
may
be.
D
C
G
J
Quickly
has
a
follow
on
to
the
lake
horn
chief
habitat
protection
item
that
we
had
tonight.
There
has
been
significant
developments
in
the
save
Ozma
Canyon
effort,
since
we
had
our
last
Commissioner
meeting
and
I'm
wearing
that
hat,
because
I've
joined
Jane's
committee
so
just
to
to
go
on
record
here.
J
The
the
situation
is
that
the
developers
have
agreed
to
sell
Ozma
Canyon
after
mediation
involving
them
the
save
Oz
WA
caning
committee
and
city
member
council
member
course
there
is.
There
are
pledges
so
far
from
a
Conservancy
organization
here
in
the
valley
and
there
a
pledge
from
the
city,
but
we
are
a
million
dollars
short
even
with
those
those
substantial
pledges,
and
so
we
are
in
a
huge
fundraising
campaign
right
now
and
if
the
current
numbers
are,
we've
got
about
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
pledges.
J
We
need
another
six
hundred
and
fifty
or
so
we
need
to
get
to
a
million,
and
we
need
to
do
it
by
December
31st,
because
if
we
don't
they're
going
to
start
charging
interest
on
us,
so
the
committee
here
and
the
Commission
can
help
us.
If
you
know
anybody
who
would
like
to
have
a
house
party
and
for
a
fundraising
event,
if
you
know
any
benefactors
or
organizations
that
we
should
contact
Greg
Koch,
he
has
been
helping
me
with
that.