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From YouTube: Human Rights Commission |April 17 2023
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Special Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Human Rights Commission, held April 17th, 2023
A
A
B
A
Thank
you,
Jay,
okay.
So
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
presentations,
and
today
the
presentation
is
Portrait
Gallery,
installation,
lgbtq,
plus
wallow
honor
and
pillars
public
art
projects.
This
is
from
The
public's
Arts
commission
and
our
current
Vice
chair,
Gary
amstrom,
is
here
to
to
make
a
presentation.
Thank
you.
Gary
welcome.
Please
proceed
with
your
presentation.
C
I've
always
sat
in
the
conference
room.
Never
this
feels
so
real.
If
you
recall,
I
think
it
was
in
December.
I
came
to
your
last
Human
Rights
Commission
meeting
and
presented
the
idea
of
pillars
of
Palm
Springs,
and
this
was
an
idea
that
was
instigated
or
initiated.
I
guess
is
a
better
word
initiated
at
the
last
joint
commission
meeting
and
it
was
then
council,
member
Dennis
Woods,
said
what
is
your
plan
for
a
long
Taco's
Canyon
Way,
when
those
horses
that
are
there
are
leaving
in
April
and
we
sort
of
took
this
idea?
C
What
do
we
want
to
do?
And
he
made
a
comment
that
this
is
the
welcome
to
Palm
Springs
this,
and
so
we
sort
of
thought?
Okay.
What
does
this
mean?
What
does
this
really
mean
after
a
couple
meetings
and
and
creative
gestations?
We
came
up
with
this
idea
of
calling
it
The
Pillars
of
Palm
Springs,
because
in
that
median
there
are
six
five
by
five
cement
pads
that
the
horses
are
on,
and
so
the
concept
is
we're
going
to
build
pillars:
Five
Pillars
of
art,
commission
or
sorry
six
pillars
of
commissioned
art.
C
That
will
be
each
of
them
done
by
a
distinct
artist,
and
each
of
the
pillars
will
represent
an
equity
that
we
believe
represents.
Palm,
Springs
and
the
equities
are
creativity,
civility
equality
and
Serenity
diversity
and
unity,
and
we
will
have
different
artists,
do
each
one
and
represent
them
in
a
different
way.
We're
not
going
to
say
this
is
how
it
has
to
look.
This
is
what
it
is:
we're
going
to
give
them
very
specific
requirements
on
size
and
in
the
RFP
that
we
created.
C
It
was
five
by
five
and
then
a
6
to
12
foot
height
and
the
there
will
be
no
slogeneering
on
it.
There
will
be
no,
you
know,
sort
of
contemporary
messages.
This
will
all
be
a
celebration
of
Palm,
Springs
and
I.
As
I
said.
I'd
present
this
at
your
last
meeting
and
people
seem
to
be
very
responsive
to
it.
We
presented
this
at
Council
and
Council
approved
it.
C
So
we're
ready
to
go
on
this
and
since
that
time,
when
we
presented
it,
the
word
got
out
in
the
artist
community
and
a
lot
of
artists
have
come
back
to
us
and
they
want
to
get
involved
and
a
lot
of
different
people
want
to
get
involved
in
unexpected
ways,
at
least
for
me,
which
is
probably
what's
going
to
make
this
really
exciting
as
a
project.
So,
for
example,
with
equality,
we
had
a
Hispanic
husband
and
wife
come
to
us
they're
artists,
and
they
said
we
want
to
work
on
equality
together
and
I
thought.
C
C
Last
Friday
I
was
in
an
event
and
a
artist
who
does
neon
sign
art
came
up
and
he
said:
I've
got
this
really
cool
thing
and
he
showed
me
where
the
words
would
flash
back
and
forth
and
the
numbers
would
flash
and
I
thought
wow.
He
could
do
something
amazing
where
it
says
community
and
then
Unity
flashes
in
that
maybe
we
can
achieve
both
things
in
there
and
so
that's
why
we
kept
the
proposal
very
broad.
We
wanted
the
artist's
work
to
really
Define
how
they
viewed
the
equity.
C
The
primary
thing
is
going
to
be:
they
have
to
have
a
footprint
in
the
greater
Palm
Springs
area.
They
have
to
have
a
connection
to
this
community.
So
the
way
this
is
going
to
work
is,
we
will
be
doing
solicitation.
There
will
be
an
assessment
of
the
artist,
the
decision
of
what
Equity
they're
going
to
be
working
on.
They
will
submit
plans
to
us
and
design
ideas
and
then
they
will
get
that
all
approved,
probably
by
next
December.
C
We
intend
to
have
these
done
and
complete
for
next
year's
World
art
day,
which
is
next
April
15th.
All
the
artists
we've
spoken
to
feel
that
this
timetable
is
doable
and
they're
quite
excited
to
participate.
So
we're
very
excited
about
that
as
well,
and
when
we
get
to
the
point
of
choosing
the
artists,
there
will
be
an
opportunity
for
the
Human
Rights
Commission
to
have
input
on
the
artist
to
make
sure
that
they're
broadly
represented
and
there's
nothing
controversial
about
them
as
well.
Okay,.
C
Well,
as
I
said
in
my
when
I
presented
last
I,
really
think
our
commission
should
be
working
together.
You
know,
you
know
we
are
creating
something
and
you
are
messaging
something.
So
we
really
should
be
hand
in
hand,
and
so
I've
made
a
lot
of
Outreach
to
your
commission
and
the
Parks
Commission
as
well,
because
most
of
the
art
has
to
go
in
a
park.
C
So
they
need
to
be
involved
in
that
as
well,
and
that
leads
me
to
the
next
one
and
it's
The
Gallery.
At
the
last
joint
commission
meeting
I
spoke
to
council
and
I
said.
One
of
our
goals
is
to
give
an
identity
to
the
parks,
and
we
want
to
you
know
each
of
the
Parks
really
has
a
presence
and
we
think
public
art
can
be
used
to
promote
that
identity.
We
just
did
something
similar
when
we
moved
the
three
John
Clement
sculptures
to
do
moose
Park.
C
One
of
our
our
ideas
are
presented
at
the
last
joint
commission
was
to
take
Francis
Stevens
Park
and
make
it
a
park
that
is
all
about
social
voices,
social
advocacy
because
every
time
there's
a
rally
or
a
protest
or
a
parade.
It
starts
in
Francis
Stevens
park,
that's
where
everybody
meets
and
we
thought
well,
let's
do
something
there
that
shows
the
artwork
there
simultaneously.
C
I
personally
was
kind
of
bothered
with
a
George,
Floyd
mural
I
thought
it
was
an
important
message.
I
thought
it
was
the
right
message
at
the
right
time
and
the
right
delivery,
but
the
execution
was
a
little
challenging
for
me.
It
happened
to
be
placed
on
a
private
building
and
it
was
not
on
a
city
building
and
the
process
of
putting
it.
C
There
did
not
allow
us
to
properly
maintain
it
for
that,
so
the
goal
with
the
gallery
is
to
create
canvases
or
templates
so
that
we
can
be
reactive
and
create
art
that
is
activist
in
nature,
but
it's
also
celebratory
in
nature.
So
the
idea
is
that
we
would
create
a
series
of
portraits
installations:
six
installations,
maybe
six
by
six-
that
would
be
along
the
the
area
at
the
corner
of
Francis,
Stephens,
Park
and
and
Amado,
and
then
we
would
curate
these
on
a
monthly
basis.
C
We
would
have
a
month
theme,
so
we
would
do
a
Black,
History
Month
theme.
We
would
do
a
pride
month
theme.
We
would
do
Hispanic
Heritage
Month
theme
and
then
we
would
also
have
some
months.
That
may
not
be
themed
to
some
issue,
but
we
feel
need
to
be
addressed
right
now
so
right
now,
if
we
were
doing
it
today,
I
would
do
ban
book
month.
I
would
do
something
that
we
have
banned
books
up
there.
C
Oh
well,
veteran
month,
you
know,
there's
there
are
veteran
memorials
already
in
this
in
the
city
and
there
is
work
of
art,
doing
that
already,
oh
sure,
sure
and
well,
and
the
next
step
with
this
is.
We
would
have
specific
months
that
we
feel
are
appropriate
and
then
the
community
will
get
involved.
So,
for
example,
with.
D
C
C
Whatever
you
want,
we
will
approve
it,
you
will
do
it,
and
so
we
just
did
this
program
called
the
neighborhood
grants
with
the
Arts
commission,
and
so
we
have
got
money
approved
from
Council
and
the
money
would
be
five
thousand
dollars
where
neighborhood
could
come
to
us
and
say
we
want
to
do
something
in
our
neighborhood.
Demuth
park
came
back
to
us
probably
four
months
ago,
and
they
said
we
want
to
paint
park,
benches
and
tables,
and
we
said
great,
they
did
a
whole
thing
where
they
solicited
the
artists
themselves.
C
The
community
voted
on
the
mall.
They
came
back
to
us
with
the
final
designs
we
approved
them,
Council
approved
them,
they
were
getting
the
work
done
and
they
thought
this
is
amazing.
We
want
to
be
do
a
bigger
celebration
around
this
and
that's
how
the
demuth
Art
in
the
Park
started.
It
was
because
of
this
grant
that
we
gave
them
so
we're
now.
Looking
at
these
Community
grants
as
almost
seed
money,
it's
Excel
we're
an
accelerator
with
that,
where
we're
sort
of
empowering
the
community
to
do
work.
C
Similar
thing
is
happening
in
Las
Palmas,
where
they
took
their
Grant
and
they
want
to
put
some
artwork
in
a
specific
Median
on
between
two
streets
and
we
gave
them
the
money
they're
doing
the
sculpture,
they're
fundraising,
to
make
more
of
the
sculptures,
but
they
took
this
whole
initiative
as
well.
So
we
think
this
Gallery
concept
will
engage
the
community
and
the
community
may
say
we
want
veterans
or
we
want
something
a
little
more.
C
That's
not
necessarily
topical
of
black
history
month
or
gay
pride
month,
and
the
idea
is
that
the
portraits
won't
be
necessarily
face
paintings
they
could
be,
but
they
also
could
be
a
quote
from
somebody.
You
know
for
Black
History
Month.
We
could
do
Lawrence,
Crossley
and
and
celebrate
him,
but
rather
than
maybe
having
his
picture,
we
do
a
blueprint
of
Crosley
track.
C
You
know
and
then
you
could
have
a
portrait
of
Ron
Odin
there
and
maybe
a
quote
from
Kamala
Harris.
You
know
she's
the
first
non-white
vice
president
and
the
first
woman,
and
we
don't
and
she's
from
California,
and
we
don't
have
anything
celebrating
her
here
so
so.
This
is
a
big
program
and
it's
a
big
initiative,
and
we
really
think
that
this
is
something
that
would
be
in
conjunction
with
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
C
That's
that's
the
thing,
and
so
as
much
as
we
say.
Oh,
we
think
this
would
be
a
great
message.
The
community
may
come
back
to
us
and
say
we
want
a
different
message,
so
this
is
really
intended
as
an
installation
that
gives
a
canvas
for
the
community,
so
they
don't
have
to
do
it
on
private
buildings
and
then
the
last
one
is
one.
C
There
may
be
some
other
aspects
in
the
city
and
different
places
to
put
it
as
well.
This
is
a
very
broad
proposal
because
they
don't
want
to
say
we
want
a
sculpture,
they're,
opening
up
to
a
lot
of
different
designers,
a
lot
of
different
creative
aspects
of
how
this
thing
can
be
installed,
and
the
goal
for
this
one
is
to
have
it
complete
and
installed
in
November
2026.
So
there's
plenty
of
time,
and
that
will
be
for
the
40th
anniversary
pride
in
Palm
Springs.
C
C
C
E
C
That's
there's
not
message,
it's
just
something
bright
and
colorful
there
and
that's
important,
but
we're
trying
to
do
things
that
are
a
little
more
substantial
and
a
little
more
representative,
Palm,
Springs
and
I've
been
saying
to
the
other
commissioners
of
if
it
can
go
in
Scottsdale.
If
it
can
go
in
Portland,
it's
not
worth
our
attention.
We
need
things
that
really
Define
Palm
Springs
and
that
to
me
is
the
best
part
of
public
art.
That's.
E
C
F
Go
ahead.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
did
have
a
question
on
the
lgbtq
plus
community
members
and
allies,
the
art
installation,
the
last
project
you
spoke
of
the
Review
Committee,
consisting
of
two
representatives
of
the
public,
Arts
commission
and
two
representatives
of
the
lgbtq
plus
art
installation
board
of
directors.
F
C
Agree
with
you
and
I
think
that
this
is
this
hasn't
been
update.
The
document
that
it
was
giving
me
hasn't
been
updated
because
I
think
that
Human
Rights
Commission
should
be
a
part
of
that
process
and
I
believe
at
one
point,
we
discussed
having
somebody
from
the
museum
be
part
of
the
the
vetting
as
well
so,
and
you
also
want
odd
numbers,
you
don't
want
good,
but
again,
this
has.
F
C
A
B
D
Good
afternoon,
chairman
members
of
the
HRC
appreciate
your
time
today.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
and
the
fact
that
you
have
started
to
question
the
monument
report
that
we
use
to
attack
the
mayor,
Frank
Bogart.
Once
again,
the
city
is
halted,
your
efforts
to
review
public
comments
and
to
keep
you
from
looking
into
the
monument
report,
its
authors,
plagiarism
and
misleading,
and
false
information
at
your
March
regular
meeting.
The
HRC
voted
for
the
second
time
to
add
this
item
to
the
HRC
agenda.
D
D
You
did
your
homework
and
your
action
in
January
and
March,
and
you
set
the
stage
for
addressing
problems.
The
report
was
largely
plagiarized
and
there's
a
100
or
so
effectually.
Incorrect
information
distort
summaries
of
facts
and
a
clear
lack
of
Integrity,
Council
and
council
member
they're
hard
to
former
council
member
folk
and
course,
and
political
operatives
can
can't
get
a
plan
to
attack
Frank
Bogart
and
did
so
with
felicious
Monument
report
and
by
the
way
that
report
was
never
signed
by
anyone
and
no
one
refuses
to
take
claim
on
creating
that
report.
D
The
facts
now
show
that
the
Bia,
the
Indian
landowners,
conservatives
and
Guardians
lawfully
evicted
the
tenants
on
that
Indian
Land
plus
the
city
had
a
carefully
crafted
program
to
help
remove
vacant
structures
from
section
14
and
made
assurances
that
before
the
demolition,
the
city
inspected,
each
structure
to
ensure
it
was
vacant
and
personal
possessions
had
been
removed
in
recent
records
released
by
the
city
under
undermine
the
Attorney
General's
opinion.
Regarding
section
14.,
the
age
of
report
says
that
the
city
kept
no
records
of
section
14..
D
D
We
are
shocked
again
that
the
city's
actions
to
keep
HRC
you're
sworn
to
our
city
to
do
what
is
right
for
even
discussing
a
flawed
report
and
trying
to
set
the
record
straight
I
want
to
thank
for
your
time
to
addressing
this.
But
we
also
want
to
make
clear
that
you
have
a
good
name
of
the
U.S
Navy
Lieutenant
Commander
retired
Frank,
Mitchell
Bogart,
a
veteran
of
the
U.S
armed
forces.
We
need
your
support
as
a
Human
Rights
Commission
to
do
the
right
thing
clear
his
name.
D
You
have
countless
reports
showing
that
that
land
thank
you
was
not
city
land
but
owned
by
the
Indians,
and
they
were
properly
evicted.
If
I
have
property
and
someone
doesn't
pay
me,
rent
I
use
a
system
to
evict
them.
They
have
no
recourse,
pay,
the
rent
or
get
out
the
sheriff
comes
and
evicts
them.
D
D
G
G
We
were
all
poor,
kids
back
then,
and
we
all
played
together
no
matter
what
race,
Creed
or
color
As
I
Grew,
Older
I
became
a
teacher
and
a
coach,
and
so
those
neighbors
and
Playmates
of
mine
had
their
children,
their
kids
in
our
program
and
not
once
did
I
ever
hear.
One
of
my
athletes
say:
gee
I'm
I'm.
The
way
I
am
because
my
parents
were
not
treated
properly
in
section
14..
Never
once
did
I
hear
that
from
those
kids.
G
G
G
H
Good
evening
my
name
is
David
Christian
I'm,
an
architect
here
and
I'm.
A
relative
newcomer
compared
to
Andy
I've
only
been
here
53
years
this
summer
and
we're
all
asking
you
know
why
we're
here,
you
know
we're
all
asking
the
same
thing.
You
know
there
is
a
ridiculous
report
out
that
is
packed
with
lies,
slanderous
comments
on
something
that
you've
all
heard
about.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
it
again,
and
it's
got
your
name
on
it.
H
It's
got
this
commission's
name
on
it,
so
you
want
it
to
be
out
there
in
the
condition
it's
in
or
step
up
and
take
responsibility
and
do
something
about
it
and
we're
we're
going
to
be
here
every
meeting
if
we
have
to
and
there's
very
we're,
considering
the
fact
that
you
may
be
getting
dictation
from
the
council.
That
is
saying,
okay,
keep
kicking
this
around
they'll,
eventually
go
away
and
everything
else,
because
there's
a
council
member
that
is
responsible
largely
for
that
report
anyway,
and
so
it
may
be
that
your
hands
are
tied.
H
A
F
F
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda
to
include
discussion
of
what
to
do
on
the
Frank
Bogart
report,
since
it
was
my
understanding
that
at
the
last
meeting
we
had
discussed
putting
it
on
this
agenda
and
agreed
to
that.
So
I
was
equally
surprised,
as
some
of
the
members
of
the
public
have
expressed
this
evening,
that
this
item
was
not
on
the
agenda
and
so
I'm.
Making
a
motion
and
appealing
to
my
other
Commissioners
to
Second
it
to
include
that
item
on
this
agenda
this
evening.
A
Do
we
have
a
second
commissioner,
clearing
I'll?
Second,
the
motion:
that's
my
recollection
as
well.
Okay,
having
had
a
motion
in
a
second,
we
will
include
the
item
in
discussion
J
as
we
amending
the
agenda.
Is
it
worth
to
start
with
that
particular
item,
or
can
we
move
it
in
any
place
in
within
the
agendized
items.
I
A
A
B
A
B
B
B
A
B
F
B
A
B
A
A
A
F
J
F
J
F
J
F
J
J
Mean
I'm
excited
I,
definitely
am
excited
to
go.
It's
just
gonna,
be
it's
a
tight
squeeze
because
I
our
school,
my
the
dance
company
at
our
school,
is
doing
the
the
spring
dance
show
and
I'm
in
it
for
because
of
my
dance
class.
So
the
day
prior
to
our
performances,
we
have
teasers
where
the
school
gets
to
see
it
during
a
specific
class
or
a
lot
of
class
and
it's
kind
of
a
part
of
my
grade.
J
A
So
we
certainly
look
forward
to
seeing
you
there
it's
just
as
a
reminder
to
all
the
Commissioners.
We
need
to
acquire
our
tickets
independently.
We
do
not
have
enough
people,
okay,
so
if
you're
planning
to
join
and
attend
I
encourage
you
to
go
ahead
and
purchase
your
tickets,
it's
a
really
great
event
and
a
great
opportunity
to
see
and
and
engage
with
our
with
it's
come
from
various
cities
for
this
particular
event
in
other
people
in
our
community.
A
A
F
Let's
see
I
did
attend.
The
1ps
meeting
on
April
11th
was
held
at
the
police,
Palm
Springs
Police
Department
Training
Center
I'm.
Just
looking
through
my
notes
that
I
took
from
that
meeting
council
member
Bernstein
was
there
talked
about
the
blue
zones
project,
that's
underway,
I
think
the
council
has
asked
for
more.
It
will
need
more
study
and
they're
looking
at
Future
membership
topics.
F
Quite
honestly,
nothing
that
I
could
find
that
we
would
really
have
much
relevance
to
Human
Rights
Commission,
but
I
mean
the
few
of
the
items
they
talked
about.
Was
that
they'd
like
to
include
in
future
1ps
membership
meetings
is
discussion
about
water
issues
in
Palm,
Springs
there's
apparently
also
a
assembly
bill
to
eliminate
the
use
of
canine
units
in
police
departments
that
may
be
on
a
future,
maybe
a
future
agenda.
Item
College
of
the
Desert
is
a
recurring
item.
F
F
F
A
K
F
Camp
in
July,
maybe
a
week
long
program
where
we
can
kind
of
give
them
some
theme
and
kind
of
Mentor
them
and
help
them
put
something
together
that
we
could,
then
you
know,
have
them
present
to
us
and
to
their
peers
and
their
family
members
and
all
at
the
end
of
the
week.
So
you
know
I'll
try
to
put
something
together
for
the
next
meeting
and.
I
A
F
A
A
F
A
A
A
All
I
wanted
to
bring
to
everyone's
attention
is
that
we
have
been
in
touch
with
the
New
York
queer
works
that
reports
that
the
universal
basic
income
pilot
called
Ubi
program
applications,
so
it's
not
closed
and
that
30
individuals
have
been
selected
for
the
current
round
of
funding
and
that
data
will
be
reported
with
the
public
or
to
the
public
every
six
months.
At
least
this
is
the
initial
plan
and
that
a
final
report
will
be
out
in
the
winter
of
2024
about
the
results
of
the
program.
E
I
just
voted
against
adding
a
conversation
on
the
controversial
report
to
our
agenda,
so
I
feel
bad,
bringing
it
up,
but
I,
don't
I'm
not
asking
for
a
public
discussion
on
the
subject.
What
I
want,
as
a
human
rights
commissioner,
is
to
be
updated
as
to
the
status
of
this
situation.
As
you
may
remember,
I
objected
to
talking
about
it
last
month
because
I
understand
it's
a
subject
of
litigation
with
the
city.
I,
don't
know
that
to
be
true.
E
I
would
like
to
confirm
that
so
I
would
like
us
to
formulate
some
sort
of
answer
that
we
can
give
these
citizens
that
come
to
our
meetings
other
than
just
we
don't
want
to
talk
about
it.
I
don't
find
that
to
be
acceptable
if
we
are
limited
by
something
I
understand
that
and
am
willing
to
go
along
with
that,
but
Jay
Hugo.
How
do
we
get
an
update
on
where
we
stand
on
this
situation?.
A
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
commission
Vice
chair.
Yes-
and
this
is
something
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
in
the
commission
is
completely
clear
that
there
is
seems
to
be
litigation
right.
We
are
not
lawyers,
there
is
a
City
attorney
that
is
handling
all
of
this
and
per
the
City
attorney.
We
have
been
asked
to
not
engage
in
further
further
public
discussions
of
anything
related
to
the
reparations
issue
and
we
must
follow
our
city,
attorney's
Direction,.
F
Learned
this
week
yeah,
but
the
reparations
issue
is
not
the
same
as
the
the
draft
report
that
was
issued.
The
two
different
things
and
I
take
exception
to
trying
to
commingle
them
so
and
I.
Don't
even
know
that
there's
act,
I
mean
there's
whether
there's
litigation
or
not
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
that
precludes
the
commission
from
talking
about
the
draft
report
it
issued
and
whether
it
needs
to
be
rescinded
or
revised.
That's
a
separate
issue,
in
my
opinion,.
J
I
mean
be
beyond
that:
I,
don't
whether
it's
in
the
hands
of
the
city
or
not
I,
don't
see
why
it's
an
issue
not
to
add
it
to
an
agenda.
So
the
public
knows
what
we're
doing
like.
We
can
talk
about
it
in
comments
and
be
like
well.
This
is
what
it's
happened.
This
is
what's
happening,
but
if
they're
not
seeing
it
on
the
agenda,
they
have
no
idea.
Multiple
people
came
to
us
and
said
that
they
want
to
see
it
on
the
agenda.
J
E
It's
my
understanding
being
a
part
of
many
different
organizations
and
corporations
and
councils
and
so
forth
that,
when
the
legal
counsel
for
that
organization
asks
us
not
to
speak
or
not
to
engage
in
comments
on
a
particular
subject,
that
may
be
part
of
litigation
that
we
should
follow
that
instruction
and
I'm
seeking
to
understand
why
others
may
not
feel
that
way.
I
think
I
know.
One
of
us
is
an
attorney
and
the
other
one
I'm
not
sure.
J
J
It's
odd
that
we're
able
to
talk
about
it
in
comments
and
being
able
to
speak
on
what
is
happening
in
comments,
but
we're
not
putting
it
on
the
agenda
and
all
these
people
who
seem
very
passionate
about
this
discussion
are
coming
to
us
and
they're
upset
I.
Don't
it
shouldn't
be
too
difficult
just
to
tell
them
that
we
can't.
E
B
To
speak
about
it,
you
know
that
reparations
consultant
you
mentioned,
may
open
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
more
discussion
and
I.
Think
at
that
time,
which
would
be
say
by
the
next
meeting,
perhaps
well,
that's
bringing
the
the
consultant
on
board,
but
in
the
near
future
there
may
be
more
information
discovered
that
helps
with
these
discussions
and
helps
with
the
council
in
terms
of
what
direction
they
would
like
to
go
in
terms
of
handling
the
report.
J
I
just
feel
that
we
should
tell
the
public
or
our
community
that
we
can't
move
forward,
not
necessarily
that
it's
under
any
like
not
necessarily
what
is
happening,
but
us,
as
a
committee
right
now
are
not
are
being
advised
not
to
speak
further
on
it
and
not
to
bring
it
up,
not
that
it
has
to
be
a
huge
thing,
just
as
he
was
saying
just
make
it
put
it
on
the
agenda,
say:
hey.
We
can't
move
forward
with
this.
J
We
can't
talk
about
it
and
that
the
city
has
advised
the
council
is
not
has
advised
us
not
to
it's,
not
that
we're
disrespecting
the
council
in
any
way
and
you're
right.
We
are
serving
the
council
one
way,
shape
or
form,
but
if
the
community
is
asking
some
sort
of
answer
from
us
because
they're
just
as
in
the
dark
as
we
were
minutes
ago,
so
why
not
at
least
tell
them
that
we
can't
move
forward
with
it
or
that
it's
not.
If
that
makes
sense
it
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
anything
too
large.
J
F
That
the
City
attorney
or
city
council
or
something
you
know
has
said
we
can't
talk
about
this,
so
it
may
be
a
moot
point
if
this
conversation
that
we
have
just
had
is
included
in
the
minutes
of
this
meeting
and
they're
made
available
by
the
next
meeting.
So
I'm
not
trying
to
give
you
extra
work
Jay,
but
no.
B
B
I
believe
that
was
the
intent
of
the
last
meeting
was
to
get
some
form
of
direction
from
either
a
City
attorney
or
City
Council
on
this,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
have
that
so
again,
I
hope
the
discussions
when
the
reparations
consultant
is
brought
on
board.
This
can
be
included
so
that
some
direction
can
be
provided
to
the
Human
Rights
Commission.
J
I
mean
just
the
fact
that
kind
of,
as
you
were
saying,
commissioner
I
just
I,
don't
maybe
this
is
just
me
being
16
and
not
understanding
like
politics,
but
I.
It's
confusing
me
that
we're
able
to
talk
about
it
in
public
comments
and
we're
not
pushing
to
agendaize
it.
That
is
my
only
Point
here
and
I.
Don't
think
that
agendaizing,
it
means
that
it
has
to
be
a
full-blown
discussion.
I
just
think
that
our
community
deserves
to
hear
why
we
haven't
further
talked
about
it.
J
If
that
makes
sense,
because
all
they
can
see
before
our
meetings
is
the
agenda
that's
posted
previously
and
if
they're
not
seeing
it
on
the
agenda,
they
get
upset,
they
show
up
and
they
complain
right
and
not
that
it
has
to
be
like.
Oh
we're
listening
to
them
and
doing
whatever
they
say.
It's
not
that
far
I
just
think
that
they
need
to
be
in
the
know,
just
as
much
as
we're
in
the
know.
If
we're
able
to
talk
about
it
here
during
public
comments,.