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From YouTube: Public Arts Commission | Sept 23, 2021
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City of Palm Springs Public Arts Commission meeting - held September 23rd, 2021
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So
two
two
things
I
sent
this
morning,
I
combined
everybody's
edits
and
because
of
a
couple
things
that
have
happened
in
town
this
week,
I
made
a
change
to
the
mural
ordinance,
which
is
something
I
really
felt
strongly
about
last
year.
So
I've
added
my
edit
to
that
to
share
with
you
guys
and
then
I
filled
out.
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You
know
listening
to
what
everybody
said
a
couple
weeks
or
last
week
and
since
it
doesn't
seem,
everybody
would
fill
out
this
themselves.
You
know
it
was
from
the
board
or
from
the
commission.
I
kind
of
sum
for
the
the
commission
matrix.
I
summarized
a
bunch
of
the
projects
we've
been
doing
over
the
past
years,
which
you
guys
weren't
part
of
so
I
kind
of
did
the
past
thing.
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So
I
for
my
projects
that
I've
asked
for
approval.
For
with
the
commission,
I
always
wrote
up
a
proposal
and
gave
a
presentation
to
the
commission,
so
I
think
that
is
the
best
way
to
do
it,
and
so
it
gives
the
other
commissioners
the
ability
to
look
at
the
project
and
to
hear
you
pitch
it
and
then
have
the
information
for
it.
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Double
check
june
18th,
so
I
asked
for
the
minutes
of
that
meeting,
so
you
guys
could
see
how
we
handled
it
for
the
october
4th
meeting.
So
if
they're
available,
I've
asked
for
them
to
be
sent
out
to
everybody,
so
you
guys
know
how
we
handled
the
george
floyd
mural
last
year
and
then
prior
to
us
receiving
this
mural
application.
It's
going
to
the
historic
preservation
board
in
that
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
the
29th
of
september
and
then,
if
I
can,
I
will
put
in
the
chat
box.
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Had
a
had
a
mural
go
to
the
historic
preservation
board
as
long
as
I've
been
on
the
commission,
so
I
have
a
feeling
it
might
be
the
first
time
completely
because
we
had
a
very
different
mural
ordinance
in
the
past
so
we'll
have
to
we.
We
might
not
know
about
that,
but
if
I
can't
get
into
this
chat
I'll,
just
ask
jay
to
send
it
out.
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So
the
reason
we
have
the
mural
ordinance
was
because
a
mural
went
up
in
town
on
the
bar
property
and
it
went
up
overnight
and
it
was
blasted
by
the
community
and
it's
still
very
controversial
to
this
day.
It's
still
on
that
building
and
I
understand
the
complete
controversy
of
it.
It
was
before
I
was
on
the
public
arts
commission.
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Well,
basically,
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
as
I
commented
at
our
last
meeting,
the
main
threats
of
the
mural
amendment
for
me
is
just
establishing
our
ability
to
do
murals
that
are
sponsored
or
commissioned
by
us
easier
and
more
directly
and
as
we're
working
on
the
art
ordinance.
The
mural
ordinance
would
allow
us,
as
we
used
to
be
able
to
do
with
the
former
city
manager.
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Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
about
this
issue
that
we
have
with
murals
going
up
before.
We've
had
a
chance
to
approve
them
and
if
there
is
any
remedy
to
discourage
that,
whether
it's
like
stating
explicitly
in
the
ordinance
that
there
is
a
fine
if
that
happens,
or
some
other
just
like
penalty,
just
to
sort
of
like
discourage
that
from
happening.
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So
it's
a
tricky
situation,
because
I
don't
the
fines
or
penalties
are
not
written
into
the
mural
ordinance
and
we
have
a
city
who,
specifically
in
this
case,
isn't
prepared
to
do
anything
about
it
and
has
even
for
our
special
meeting.
That's
now
scheduled
for
october
4th
putting
that
in
place
both
with
a
special
meeting
with
the
horse,
historical
preservation,
commission
and
us
so
that
we
will,
in
the
city's
destination,
give
our
approval
before
the
dedication
date,
even
though
the
mural
is
going
to
be
complete.
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A
Commissioner,
let
me
remind
you,
we
do
have
penalties
in
the
ordinance
and
actually,
as
a
result
of
the
public
art
commission's
work.
There's
a
30-day
leniency
from
the
time
a
mural
goes
up
without
a
permit
that
they
have
the
opportunity
to
secure
the
approvals
from
the
public
arts,
commission
and
then
the
fine
start,
so
that
that
is
in
the
ordinance.
But
you
know,
as
you
say,
there's
you
know
it's.
It's
a
tricky
situation
for
the
city.
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Yeah,
because
it's
not
even
I
mean
I
would
say,
we
should
strike
that
30
day,
because
there
is.
There
has
been
this
other
type
of
project
that
keeps
coming
back.
It
just
never
comes
to
fruition
and
it
could
take
complete
advantage
of
this
issue
and
all
of
the
sudden
we
could
have
30
murals
up
in
the
city,
and
we
would
have
no
ability
to
do
anything
about
it
for
30
days.
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It's
like,
oh
well,
we
want
these
rules
and
if
we
you
know
it's
expected,
it's
assumed
that
we're
all
going
to
vote
to
approve
this
mural
and
it's
you
know
it's
a
very,
very,
very
unfortunate
un
unneeded
position
to
put
us
in
to
put
both
us
and
the
historic
preservation
board
in
and
to
rush
it.
You
know
to
meet
that
city
council
meeting
prior
to
the
dedication
of
that
mural.
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Yeah,
I
think
I
would
be
under
the
inclination
right
now
that
we
should
consider
tabling
our
discussion
on
the
mural
ordinance
and
go
back
because
we've
been
focused.
At
least
I
have,
as
I've
stated
on
getting
us
in
a
position
where
we,
as
the
arts
commission,
can
commission
a
mural
less
than
25
000,
with
a
smoother
approval
process.
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That
perhaps
we
should
go
back,
take
a
look
at
the
full
mural
ordinance
and
deal
with
this
one
at
a
subsequent
meeting
and
just
focus
on
our
arts
ordinance
changes
that
we
want
to
get
in
place,
which
would
put
us
in
a
position
where
we
can
operate
and
spend
money
and
have
our
budget
as
we
did,
with
the
being
able
to
approve
budgets
up
to
25
000
and
operate
more
smoothly
and
then
deal
with
the
mural
ordinance.
Because
to
me,
it's
sort
of
less
of
a
thing
right
now.
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Well,
no,
it's
a
special
meeting
because
it's
a
called
only
to
deal
with
the
this
particular
mural
and
the
time
that
is
now
set
for
the
special
meeting
I'm
actually
going
to
be
at
the
tennis
tournament.
So
I
really
just
I
couldn't
find
time
to
zoom
in
and
just
deal
with
the
specifics
of
that
this
particular
mural.
But
I
can't
sit
in
an
hour
and
a
half
meeting
at
the
tennis
tournament.
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Because,
in
their
the
meeting
agenda,
the
recommendation
is
for
approval,
but
it's
for
a
time
period.
While
the
building
is
in
flux
and
once
it's
it
starts
to
get
its
full
renovation
back
to
historic
level.
The
mural
would
would
stay
in
place
for
that
undefined
period
of
time.
So
they're
recommending
a
approval,
vote.
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Yeah
but
it
murals
the
the
mural.
So
if
we
commissioned
a
mural
like
we
commissioned
the
mural
in
the
pit
by
ryan,
we
are
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
that
mural.
But
if
you
are
whatever
you
know,
the
church
that
has
the
the
mural
downtown
they're
responsible
for
maintaining
that
mural
for
a
certain
number
of
years.
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So
if
you
you
know,
if
you
go
over
there
in
five
years,
and
it's
really
looking
decrepit
it,
we
can
request
them
to.
You
know
either
fix
it
or
paint
it
over,
but
there
they
only
have
to
maintain
it
for
a
certain
number
of
years,
because
a
mural,
you
know,
by
definition,
is
ephemeral
really,
like
you
wouldn't
think.
You'd
have
a
mural
for
25
years,
they're
they're
much
more
like
of
the
moment,
thinking
temporary
art.
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There
weren't
that
many
they're
good
edits
some
of
them.
You
know,
maybe
we
assume
we.
We
have
been
doing
these
things,
but
maybe
it
just
makes
it
more
declaratory
that
it's
in
writing
and
then
so.
Why
don't
I
just
quickly
go
through
them.
Barrett
had
a
really
great
suggestion
about
defining
temporary
art
as
a
either
12
or
18
months.
He
was,
he
said
in
the
mural
ordinance,
it's
it's
18
months
and
we
have
it
as
12
a
lot
of
places.
So
that's
something
to
think
about.
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So
I
kind
of
christina
for
your
edits.
I
kind
of
put
them
in
a
couple
places.
So
we've
been
talking
before
you
guys
joined
the
commission,
a
lot
about
decommissioning
of
art
and
relocation.
So
those
are
things
that
especially
decommissioning,
like
we
weren't
sure
how
to
go
about
that.
We
do
think
there
are
some
pieces
that
should
probably
be
decommissioned
because
their
their
maintenance
cost
is
just
you
know,
they've
just
been
damaged
by
time
and
not
being
maintained,
and
they
might
not
have
the
value
of
maintaining
them.
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Under
2
twenty
four,
oh
five,
oh
under
paragraph
two
and
then
commissioner
damiani,
wanted
to
add
the
commission
shall
have
the
power
to
determine
its
own
mission,
core
values
and
vision.
So
I
thought
maybe
that
was
a
good
place
to
put
it
in
that
paragraph,
and
then
I
added
your
christina
your
your
edit,
also
in
paragraph
five,
and
that
would
have
to
be
I'm
sure
that
would
have
to
be
with
city
council
approval.
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So
I
added
with
approval
city
council,
because
they
do
have
city
council
at
the
moment
does
have
to
approve
any
movement
of
a
piece
of
art.
So
if
we
wanted
to
relocate
a
piece
of
art,
they
would
have
to
approve
it.
So
so
I
added
that
and
then
barrett
had
a
this
one
should
doesn't
mean
to
be
in
caps
but
with
possible
annual
renewals.
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Well,
no,
that's
right!
So
then,
after
which
the
public
arts
commission
may
may
improve
it
as
permanent
installation
subject
to
approval
by
the
city,
council,
maintenance
costs
and
longevity
issues,
because
I
I
really
think
we
should
have
that
in
here
somehow,
because
a
temporary
piece
of
art
might
not
be
worth
me,
you
know
doing
maintenance
cost
on
it
and
it's
temporary.
So
it's
thought
of
as
ephemeral
and
it
may
not
be
able
to
be
turned
into
a
permanent
piece
of
pillow
cart
and
then
christine
christina
added.
I
put
these
here
so
permissible
expenditures.
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So,
to
add
in
you
know
that
maybe
our
goal
is
always
outreach
to
local
artists
or
to
use
local
artists
when
possible,
or
something
like
that,
we
could
come
up
with
the
wording
for
that,
and
then
I
chan,
I
I
changed
this
student
thing
because
it
would
be
really
great
if
we
could
create
a
piece
of
public
art
from
the
student
classes
and
their
those
classes
have
been
for
extra
credit.
They're
they're,
you
know,
we've
had
hundreds
of
students
participate
in
them
over
zoom
this
year.
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It
was
amazing
and
it
would
be
really
great
to
be
able
to
produce
one
of
their
pieces
as
a
piece
of
public
art.
So
it's
not
like
the
students.
Are
you
know
it's
not
like
they're,
getting
an
a
for
doing
that
piece
right.
So
so
I
think,
plus
I
think
student
stuff.
We
should
be
able
to
do
anyway
and
that's
it.
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Yeah,
it
has
like
you
know
when
we
first
started
russell
had
this
project
that
was
supposed
to
be
up
for
three
months
it
took
like
over,
I
don't
know
a
year
at
least
a
year,
maybe
longer
to
get
it
approved,
and
it
was
like
the
time
we
had
to
keep
changing
the
timeline
for
the
three
months.
So
we
threw
the
three-month
thing
out
the
window
a
long
time
ago.
So
18
months
is
probably
much
more.
You
know
once
you
do
all
this
work,
you
don't
want
the
thing
to
come
down
so
quickly.
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B
Well
then,
by
I
mean
for
me,
local
is
palm
springs
la
san,
diego,
like
southern
california,
local
I
mean,
certainly
through
the
bench
projects
and
pretty
much
everything.
The
last
few
years
have
really
been
local
local.
That
I
would
like
to
include
the
possibility
of
la
and
san
diego
into
our
embrace.
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C
Yeah
and-
and
we
have
not
right
like
in
our
30
by
30-
show
we
had
purchase.
We
had
really
strong
participation
from
palm
springs
and
you
know
local
community
and
if
you
think
about
the
the
items
that
we
said,
you
know
that
we
gave
like
special
mention.
Nomination
to
palm
springs,
palm
springs,
palm
springs,
palm
springs,
desert
hot
springs.
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And
we
created
the
the
artist
registry,
you
know
to
highlight
local
artists,
so
that
was
that
was
the
motivation
behind.
That
was
my
project,
and
the
idea
was
to
really
put
the
word
out
to
local
artists
that
we
want
to
see
your
work
and
that
we
can
help
them
sell
their
work
right
by
publicizing
their
their
artist
profiles.
Everything
so.
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A
Like
like
the
way
people
think
of
austin
or
portland
as
being
very
artist
friendly,
I
don't
think
you
ask
people
outside
of
palm
springs
if
it's
artist
friendly,
that
won't
be
top
of
mind,
and
I
think
that
should
be
something
we
should
encourage
of.
This
is
a
place
for
artists
to
come,
and
the
city
will
support
your
work.
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Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
the
only
way
you
could
make
it
stronger
would
be
to
say,
like
preference
is
given
to
our
you
know:
artists,
local
to
the
palm
springs
area,
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
know
if
you
would
want
to
go
that
strong,
though,
or
or
even
something
like
you
know,
favored
or
something
and
again
my
point
isn't
that
if
a
local
artist
isn't
as
good
as
somebody
from
los
angeles
or
portland,
obviously
we're
gonna
go
with
the
best
artist.
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B
Yeah
cause
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
we're
at,
because
we
in
a
previous
meeting
approved
the
funds
to
relocate
the
george
floyd
mural,
and
we
decided
we
would
make
some
additional
consideration
to
it,
because
the
expenditure
has
not
gone
to
city
council
yet,
and
I
posed
a
question
to
both
jay
and
cindy
about
why
it
didn't
go
to
the
council
already
and
cindy's
response
was
that
they
also
need
to
approve
the
location
which
I
find
puzzling,
because
this
is
still
billed
as
a
temporary
piece
of
art.
We're
not
moving
it
to
a
permanent
location.
B
To
move
it,
although
we
did
vote
and
approve
the
funds
to
move
it,
but
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention:
that's
come
up
that
I
think
could
give
us.
Some
consideration
on
this
issue
is
that
the
new
owner
of
the
bar
building,
where
the
much
despised
lady
in
the
snake
mural
is,
is
willing
to
have
for
a
period
of
one
year
the
george
floyd
mural
on
the
front
of
that
building,
which
would
kill
two
birds
with
one
stone.
B
C
Well,
because
I
mean
maybe
because
you
know
we
kind
of
continue,
you
know
last
time
we
you
know
held
over
a
few
a
few
of
these
items,
but
since
it's
still
on
the
agenda,
we
could
then
we
can
ask
jay
this,
but
we
could
discuss
this
and
vote
on
that
location
if
you
wanted
to
or
you
could
throw
it
out
there
and
vote
later.
But
since
it's
still
on
the
agenda,
it
says
for
discussion
on
approval.
B
I
think
we
sort
of
owe
it
to
the
community
to
find
a
new
home
for
the
george
floyd
mural,
even
if
it
is
for
a
period
of
another
year
and
being
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
it
on
a
building
that
needs
to
be
addressed
and
the
landlord
there
is
not
going
to
be
doing
anything
to
the
building
in
the
year,
which
means
the
lady
and
the
snakes
would
stay
there
for
yet
again.
Another
year.
C
A
B
I
think
that
after
a
year-
and
we
could
use
this
period
of
time
to
really
research-
a
different
location
in
the
city,
whether
it's
one
of
our
parking
structures
where
we
could
commission
a
more
permanent
mural-
that
won't
necessarily
be
george
floyd
specific.
That
would
embrace
this
message
that
we
need
to
embrace,
because,
right
now
the
george
floyd
mural
is
still
a
very
current
political
commentary,
whereas
we
can
embrace
the
greater
commentary
and
plan
for
that
over
the
throughout
the
next
period
of
the
year.
B
B
A
You
know
when
I,
when
I
look
at
the
building
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
put
an
image
in
the
chat
and
it
won't.
Let
me
you
know
the
building
has
awnings
on
either
side
and
then
the
two
naked
ladies
with
the
snakes
and
then
a
big
arch
doorway
right.
So
I
don't
see
how
the
three
panels
can
fit
into
that
real
estate.
They're
going.
E
If
I
may,
I
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
the
community
doesn't
want
another
temporary
place
for
george
floyd.
I
know
it's
a
temporary
piece
of
artwork,
but
people
have
expressed
to
me
that
they
feel
that
it's
not
being
addressed
correctly
and
that
to
go
from
one
temporary
spot
to
another.
Temporary
spot
doesn't
feel
like
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
the
commission
is
taking
the
whole
matter
seriously.
It's
just
moving
artwork,
it's
more
like
it's
moving
artwork,
but
there's
a
bigger
issue
at
hand.
E
E
C
No,
I
know
I
mean
a
mural
has
a
message
and
the
message
is
the
mural,
but
it
was
painted
on
like
boarded
up
plywood
thing.
So
it's
not,
it
was
never
meant
to
you
know
it
could
go
to
some
location
where
it's
hung
up,
but
it
was
never
meant
to
be
a
permanent
piece
of
art.
That's
why
we
did
talk
about
maybe
re-envisioning
it
the
other
week
which
you
know
could
be
really
great,
but
you
know
that
message
is
more
important
than
that
than
that
mural.
E
I
understand
that
the
message
is
more
important
than
that
mural,
but
I'm
still
going
to
speak
and
say
that
the
issue
that
the
community
is
voicing
is
that
it
was
a
temporary
mural
on
a
temporary
situation
on
a
problem
that
isn't
temporary.
So
we
really
have
to
hold
this
with
kid
gloves
on
what
we
do.
I
I.
C
Mean
yeah,
that's
what
I
mean
that
no,
I
that's
totally
valid,
but
I'm
just
saying
we
could
just
you
know
if
there
might
not
be
a
life
for
this
mural
unless
someone
wants
to
just.
We
donate
it
to
someone,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
there
cannot
be
a
reiteration
of
this
idea
as
a
permanent
piece
of
art
right.
E
Need
to
voice
it
because
the
community
is
oh
yeah,
that's
totally
for
me
in
order
to
get
a
permanent
george
moore,
a
george
floyd
memoriam,
I
mean
it's,
it's
not!
Unfortunately,
it's
not
a
good
look
right
now,
because
george,
the
community
doesn't
know
the
logistics
of
of
what
the
commission
is
doing,
that
it's
not
something
done
on
purpose,
it's
something
that
when
they
drive
by,
they
see
george
floyd
behind
a
a
fence
and
they
see
a
now
a
police
mural
on
a
historical
building
put
up
illegally.
E
C
Yeah,
can
I
just
say
one
quick
thing:
honda.
I
wish
you
would
invite
these
people
to
come
to
our
meeting,
because
you
know
as
members
of
the
public
they
are
welcome.
We
we
wish
to
have
their
comment
and
to
listen
to
their
their
wants
and
needs.
So
it
would
be
great
if
you
brought
people
to
that
october
4th
meeting.
I
think
it
would
be
very,
very
valuable
to
the
community
absolutely
and
then
the
other
thing
is
we
need
to
share.
C
You
know
these
meetings
are
recorded,
so
we
need
to
share
the
discussion
with
the
community.
If
they're
not
here
that
you
know
we
are
looking
out
for
their
needs,
I
mean
the
reason
you
know:
george
floyd
is
behind
a
a
construction
fence
is
because
the
property
owner
you
know
is
is
renovating
the
building
and
that's
what
you
have
to
do
it
it's
nothing
against
the
mural
or
anything.
C
So
so,
if
we
share,
you
know
the
the
the
you
know,
not
the
minutes,
because
we
don't
really
have
them,
but
it
we
had
these
videos
right.
So
people
should
you
know
they
can
log
on
and
listen
to
our
meeting
and
and
hear
all
of
this
information,
and
it
would
be
great
if
you
brought
them
to
the
october
4th
meeting
sorry
go
ahead.
That's.
D
What
I
was
going
to
suggest
with
this
particular
mural
is
we
start
looking
at
our
public
buildings
such
as
parks,
because,
if
there's
large
gatherings
specifically
with
the
george
floyd
mural,
and
what
it
what
it
involves,
people
can
gather
in
a
park,
and
I
don't
know
if
shonda,
if
you
have
space
for
it
in
your
park,
but
I'm
not
even
I'm,
I'm
just
asking
you
because
I
know
you're
very
involved
in
that.
But
we've
got
a
lot
of
parks
with
a
lot
of
just
space
for
the
mural.
D
E
The
community
definitely
stressed
that
they
either
wanted
it
in
a
downtown
park
or
by
the
civic
center
someplace
that
it's
in
a
prominent
place.
They
before
you
all
came
on
to
the
commission.
They
definitely
expressed
that
they
did
not
want
it
in
their
community
because
they
know
that
they're
oppressed
and
that
the
police
come
and
bother
them.
So
it's
better
in
a
place
where
other
people
that
do
those
things
can
see
it
and
not
do
them
anymore.
A
C
C
You
know
no
matter
how
many
times
I've
complained
to
the
powers
that
be
about
this
mural
that
was
painted
without
approvals,
and
it's
still
there
and
it's
extremely
offensive
to
women
and
to
other
communities
in
the
city.
So
in
a
way
it
really
kind
of
celeb.
You
know
it's
like
an
amazing
location
to
actually
celebrate
the
george
floyd
mural
right.
It's
like
very
powerful
to
like
you
know,
end
that
misogynistic
chapter
and
put
a
positive
mural
about
you
know
you
know
celebrating
george
floyd's
life.
C
You
know,
I
think,
that's
like
really
great
energy
right
to
change
that
location.
It's
a
fantastic
location!
You
know
you,
you
cannot
miss
the
snake.
Ladies
anytime,
you
drive
down
the
street,
so
people
will
really
see
it
and
if
we
do
get,
you
know
the
right
information
out
about
it.
You
know
that
you
know
we're
dedicated
to
you
know
recreating
some
kind
of
long-lasting
memorial.
A
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
you
know
this
sort
of
goes
to
the
point
that
I
made
originally
in
that
I
I
think
if
the
community
feels
that
the
george
floyd
mural
represents
something
that
we
need
to
illuminate
to
everyone,
including
tourists
and
local
people,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
using
the
mural
as
it
stands
as
a
band-aid,
and
I
don't
think
it
should
be
the
temporary
thing
that
we're
moving
around.
We
either
make
a
commitment
to
it
or
we
say
his
time
has
passed.
C
C
A
E
A
B
Well,
it
is
pretty
much
and
also
with
the
whole
george
floyd
mural,
painted
on
the
plywood.
It's
not
meant
to
or
expected
to
live
a
very
long.
Life
span,
we've
already
gotten
a
little
over
a
year
out
of
it
so
moving
and
refurbishing
it
it
really
should
be.
We
should
decide
that
it
is
only
going
to
exist
in
this
particular
form
for
one
year
and
that
we
will
determine
within
the
next
calendar
year
a
very
prominent
and
community
supported
location
and
visual
interpretation
of
the
reinterpretation
of
the
george
floyd
mural.
C
B
D
I
think
what
russell
just
said
prior
is
exactly
what
what
we
need
to
do
and
what
we
need
to
tell
people
the
public
we're
doing
it's
there.
It's
going
to
be
there
for
12
months
in
a
temporary
spot.
However,
in
the
interim,
this
is
our
plan
that
we
are
looking
into
doing
something
bigger
better
in
a
permanent
location,
yeah.
A
A
A
So
I
mean,
of
course,
it'd
be
great
to
reimagine
a
permanent
work,
but
I
think
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
shonda,
but
I
think
that
the
community
has
kind
of
latched
on
to
this
as
a
special
object
and
there's
like
they're
concerned
about
what
the
treatment
would
be
of
this
object,
as
well
as
the
the
issue,
the
larger
issue.
I
don't
know
what
do
you
think
about
that.
E
I
think
they're
may
be
a
couple
solutions
to
this.
One
is
to
reimagine
on
that
snake
building
a
totally
a
new
george
floyd
mural,
including
other
people
that
were
a
part
of
the
the
what
happened
during
that
week,
like
the
briton,
brianna
taylor
and
a
couple
of
other
names
to
be
put
up
there,
that
that
one
george
floyd
mural
becomes
a
bigger
message
that
the
message
isn't
lost
on
palm
springs.
E
So,
therefore,
if
we
do
not
repurpose
that
mural,
then
we're
creating
another
mural
with
more
people
to
celebrate
and
the
blm
movement
and
then
hopefully
there's
another
mural
later
down
the
line
of
permanence.
But
I
think,
as
the
art
commission,
we
should
make
a
step
of
progress
and
say
hey.
Yes,
we
did
this
mural.
It
was
temporary
here,
we'll
save
the
pieces
of
plywood,
but
here's
is
a
new
mural
reimagined
with
more
figures
and
more
and
saying
that
the
issue
has
grown
and
we're
going
to
address
the
issue
again
artistically.
E
E
Here's
a
third
incarnation
of
this
and
that
third
incarnation
could
incorporate
section
14
and
the
other
atrocities
that
have
been
done
to
the
community
in
the
history
of
palm
springs,
so
that
history
is
spoken
that
it
is
talked
about,
so
we
can
heal
from
that
and
grow
from
that.
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
we
evolve
from
just
that
one
mural
to
something
more
like
it's
evolved
into
something
else.
C
C
E
C
B
C
C
B
Once
they're
finished
with
that
they're
open
to
that
possibility
and
we
can
keep
them
engaged
in
the
conversation
as
we
go
into
2022
and
they
formalize
their
plan.
So
they
might
say
yes,
the
building
front,
we're
going
to
dedicate
it
to
an
art
space,
and
please
tell
us
what
you
want
to
put
on
it.
But
right
now
he's
willing
just
to
commit
to
that
one
year
period
with
the
temporary
floyd
mural.
C
E
I
mean
I'd
be
all
for
that
piece
being
moved,
but
I
would
like
the
building
owner
to
be
open
to
the
piece,
also
expanding
with
additional
pieces
of
artwork
around
it.
If
there's
some
way
to
to
do
it
artistically
collage
to
incorporate
that
where
I
don't
know
like
brianna's
in
the
crowd
or
or
something
the
way
that.
C
E
E
B
Yes-
and
let
me
just
restate
that
in
conversation
with
the
building
owner,
they
are
prepared
to
as
they
formulate
their
plans
for
the
building
be
in
discussion
with
us
for
the
front
of
their
building
to
become
a
dedicated
art
space.
But
at
this
very
moment,
because
their
plans
are
still
in
flux,
they
will
not
make
that
as
a
commitment,
but
they
will
certainly
commit
to
a
one-year
period
for
the
george
ford
mural
to
exist.
There.
A
B
B
Well,
I
pretty
much
do
because
I
think
it's
really
our
only
option.
We
either
have
to
make
the
decision
we're
going
to
take
the
existing
mural
and
move
it
to
a
temporary
place
where
we
have
a
one
year
period
of
time
to
discuss.
What's
next
for
this
message
or
to
not
vote
on
it
and
give
it
up
and
the
mural
will
be
gone.
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
we
should
vote
on
it.
I
think
a
lot
of
commissioners
put
a
lot
of
work
and
effort
into
finding
a
location
this
summer,
so
this
location
has
come
up.
I
don't
think
we
could
get
a
better
location
and
it
serves
as
it
serves
as
two
things.
It
really
serves
to
tell
women
in
the
community
that
we
value
them
by
painting
over
this
mural
misogynistic
mural,
that's
been
up
there
for
years
and
years.
C
C
B
A
A
I'm
wholly
uncomfortable
with
this
and
I
think
we're
making
the
right
decision
for
the
wrong
reasons
and
I'm
I
will
like
to
address
at
a
later
point
the
fact
of
us
putting
social
messages
on
buildings.
We
do
not
own
and
do
not
control.
I
think
that
puts
us
in
an
uncomfortable
position.
That
makes
us
look
bad.
B
C
C
C
C
So
you
guys
have
the
copy
that
I
filled
out
and
yeah.
It
is
a
weird
form,
but
it's
what
we
were
saying
so
so
I
I
added
as
priority
one
update
our
public
ordinance,
which
will
help
us
do
our
work
and
I'm
just
so
excited
and
so
proud
of
us,
like.
I
can't
tell
you
for
voting
on
that
thing
today
I
mean
this
thing
has
been
out
there
not
being
voted
on
for
like
two
and
a
half
years,
so
it's
fantastic.
C
C
So
I
think
that's
another
really
important
item
to
to
have
as
a
priority,
because
at
the
moment
any
amount
of
money
that
we
spend
the
council
has
to
approve.
So
russell
did
all
of
these
signs
for
first
for
our
temporary
and
permanent
art,
you
know
just
have
the
artist's
name
and
and
things
that
are
just
fifty
dollars
or
ten
dollars.
We
they
have
to
go
to
city
council,
and
then
they
have
to
get
on
the
agenda
and
someone
has
to
write
a
staff
report.
C
A
B
C
Yeah,
this
is
just
it's
if
like.
If
the
ordinance
changes
aren't
approved
like
we
still
want
to
be
able
to
spend
money-
and
it's
kind
of
you
know
this
is
how
all
the
other
departments
operate
like
devoid
of
their
ordinance,
so
yeah
you
it.
It
can
be
extraneous
with
the
ordinance,
but
it's
also
like
the
normal
working
of
government.
C
C
And
then
because
we've
started
in
the
recent
times,
arts
maintenance,
which
is
part
of
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
it's
very
important.
So
I
I
think
we
should
have
that
in
our
matrix
priority
and
then,
since
there
has
not
been
a
survey
of
the
public
art
and
we're
striving
to
have
that
completed.
A
C
C
So
I
don't
think
we
have
to
decide
on
this.
I
put
them
both
in
here
because
it
seems
like
that's
what
everybody
is
interested
or
some
of
us
are
interested
in
in
having
that
grant
program
again
and
then,
if
you
guys
are
interested
in
putting
it
on,
we
should
put
it
on
an
agenda
soon
and
vote
on
it
and
come
up
with
a
budget
for
it
and
then
number
two
is
my.
I
would
re
this
is
a
project
I've
been
wanting
to
do
for
a
long
time.
C
Yeah,
like
we
had,
we
had
to
remove
the
sign
because
of
the
car,
so
we
used
that
sign
as
kind
of
our
you
know
we
planted
that
sign
and
it
was
we
planted
it
near
the
museum
and
we
said
we,
you
know
we
wanted
to
imagine
art
here
and
we
started
doing
programming
around
that
area.
So
it
was
really
really
reflected
2018
and
19
programming,
so
yeah.
It
would
be
great
to
think
of
you
know
another
location
that
we
can
activate
right.
C
C
A
I
would
say
yes
and
I
like
barrett's
idea
of
combining
the
imagine
art
here.
You
know
when
I
am
sort
of
taking
a
step
back
and
listening
to
these.
These
concerns
that
the
community
has
is
they
feel
that
they're
not
being
represented,
and
so
if
we
can
engage
them
and
show
them
that
we're
listening
and
the
city
of
palm
springs
represents
them,
not
just
a
car
upside
down
or
any
other
thing
downtown.
C
A
But
you
see
that
that's
sort
of
the
the
point
of
what
I
want
to
do
with
create
one
bigger
social
issues,
piece
that
could
have
multiple
perspectives
to
it.
One
part
could
be
george
floyd
and
brianna
taylor
and
section
14,
and
then
another
part
could
be
something.
That's
maybe
more
reactive
to
what
just
happened,
and
I
I
just,
as
I
said,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
with
us
being
in
a
position
of
telling
a
very
important
aspect
to
our
community
that
you,
you
only
deserve
temporary
art.
A
A
I
think
it
could
be,
it
could
be
george
floyd,
it
could
be.
You
know,
abused
women,
it
could
be
part
of
the
aids
project,
it
could
be
coveted
survivors.
It
could
be
any
number
of
things
that
it
we
know
we
will
have
a
phone
a
home
to
address
art
that
needs
to
happen
right
now
and
we're
not
and
we're
doing
it
on
property
that
we
own,
so
george
floyd
could
be
the
centerpiece,
but
I
don't
think
it
should
be
the
only
aspect
of
that
of
the
way
I'm
envisioning
this.
A
B
A
A
C
C
C
C
C
You
know
some
of
the
costs
might
be
so
prohibitive
for
us,
but
if
the
city
provides
a
grant
or
we
can
go
out
and
get
funding,
and
then
we
used
to
have
this
council
members
used
to
have
be
a
liaison
to
our
commission
and
they
would
show
up
a
couple
times
a
year,
and
I
thought
it
was
really
really
helpful.
Jeff
coors
was
ours
and
they
got
rid
of
them
last
year
or
something
like
that
because
I
asked
oh
who's
going
to
be
our
new
liaison.
C
C
If
we
could
have
spoken
to
them
at
the
meeting,
we
would
have
been
able
to
explain
the
project
better
and
you
know
lobby
for
their
approval.
So
so
that
was
my
other
idea.
So
are
you
guys
cool
with
those
other
those
those
ideas
all
right?
So
maybe
we
should
vote
on
this.
So
if
we
let
me
see
if
we
ask
for.
A
C
D
Do
it
what
I'm
this
is
a
two-part
project,
I'm
only
talking
about
part
a
right
now
and
what
I
would
be
doing
is,
and
it's
for
under
500,
I
would
be
taking
photographs
of
10
iconic
mid-century
architects
in
palm
springs
with
a
two
two-paragraph
blur
of
what
they
have
done
and
putting
them
having
that
on
a
I
think.
It's
a
24
by
30
at
staples
professionally
enlarged
and
I've
actually
made
contact
with
some
businesses
downtown
that
are
interested
in
placing
them
inside
vacant
storefront
windows.
D
D
C
C
D
B
D
B
D
B
C
Oh,
I
would
do
the
whole
thing
like
do
part
a
and
part
b
like
when
I
did
the
the
30th
anniversary
I
had
like
10
projects
in
there
and
we
just
approved
them
all
a
couple
of
them.
You
know
we
cut
back
on
funding
like
just
because
we
approve
the
project.
You
know
if
it
doesn't
go
for
some
reason:
that's
okay,
but
yeah.
C
It
would
be
great
to
see
the
whole
proposal
like
how,
because
if
you're
doing
you
know,
if
you
want
to
make
it
into
a
mural,
then
that's
public
art
right
versus
you
know
images
of
the
of
the
architects.
But
if
you
can
say
on
these
blurbs
that,
were
you
know
this
is
part.
You
know,
however,
it's
written
right
that
you
know
this
is
the
beginning
of
our
public
art
piece
about
the
architects
of
palm
springs
that
that's
really
cool.
A
C
If
the
ordinance
gets
changed,
then
this
wouldn't
have
to
go
to
the
city
council
right
and
then
we
could
approve
it
today
and
then
you
could
go
for
it,
but
hopefully
you
but
you're
gonna
do
I.
I
know
you
sent.
You
know
we
sent
out.
I
I
saved
your
materials
and
we
did
send
them
out
for
the
july
meeting.
So
everybody
had
them,
but
but
if
you.
C
B
D
C
B
C
C
E
C
D
C
E
Oh,
thank
you.
He
always
likes
to
attend
the
public
arts
meetings.
To
put
in
these
events,
I
wanted
to
ask
if
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
formulate
a
timeline,
so
the
new
commissioners
know
that
we
have
to
get
a
proposal
in
by
or
a
write-up
by
this
date
and
order
for
it
to
get
approved
by
this
date
and
just
like
the
chain
of
how
it
works,
because
I
have
submitted
stuff
to
to
be
put
on
the
agenda
and
it's
and
it
goes
missing-
gets
lost
in
the
shuffle.
E
So
I
think
it
would
help
the
other
commissioners
if
they
know
like
okay
on
the
first
of
the
month
through
the
10th
of
the
month.
This
is
when
all
the
proposals-
this
is
when
all
the
stuff
needs
to
come
in
this
is
when
so
we
get
like
a
good,
even
flow,
and
everybody
gets
all
the
information
because
I
don't
think
everybody
or
anybody
got
my
matrix.
C
I
think
we
could
maybe
work
on
that.
It
kind
of
depends
on
city
staff
too
and
like
when
they
can
get
things
ready
for
city
council,
so
sometimes
no
matter
if
we're
trying
to
hit
these
dates,
it's
out
of
our
control
and
then,
if
we
have,
we
do
have
to
think
about
having
too
much
on
an
agenda
to
not
accomplish
the
tasks
right.
C
C
They
have
to
make
the
agenda.
You
know
by
that
thursday
really
to
go
out
monday
and
I've
been
sending
jay
things
you
know.
Prior
to
that,
so
you
know
send
things
in
the
first
couple
weeks
of
the
month.
I
guess
you
would
say,
but
always
like
we
need
to
talk
about
it
right
like
to
see
how
we
can
get
things
flowed
correctly,
so
things
aren't
like
being
held
up
or
kind
of
rework
a
project.
C
E
C
Yes,
all
right,
jay
says
staffing
will
be
an
issue
with
timing.
The
city
has
lost
when
I
was
talking
to
jay
today
and
they've
lost
a
number
of
core
staff
members,
the
the
head
of
the
parks
and
recs
has
left
the
assistant
city
managers
left
and
the
head
of
their
information
and
technology
has
left.
So
we
do
have
to
bear
with
the
city
and
work
with
them
with
patients
because
they
are
short
staffed
because
of
covet
a
lot
of
people
were
laid
off.
C
So
that's
one
thing
I
want
to
say
is
that
you
know
they.
The
city's
been
very
health
very
helpful
to
us.
They
have
given
us
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
support,
and
we
need
to
you
know,
take
care
of
them
and
respect
their
time
and
not
everything
is
going
to
go
our
way
when
we,
when
we
need
it
to
go
our
way,
they're,
just
not
staffed
to
that
that
amount
of
time
so
and
they've
been
really
kind
and
worked
with
us
really
lovely.