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A
A
Please
place
your
hand
over
your
heart
and
join
me
in
our
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice.
For
all.
Thank
you.
You
may
be
seated
snake
clerk.
Would
you
please
do
a
roll
call
councilmember.
B
A
A
C
Thank
you
hi.
You
guys
have
been
busy,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
agree
with
and
support
the
five
district
model
for
council
members.
That
includes
a
rotating
mayor
as
the
model
that
best
serves
the
residents
of
Palm
Springs.
This
concept
has
the
potential
of
leveling
the
field,
so
any
resident,
seemingly
interested
in
serving
our
community,
can
run
a
campaign
for
City
Council,
not
just
those
with
very
serious
financial
resources
to
take
on
what
is
now
an
insane
amount
of
money
for
a
city
council
campaign
and
even
more
to
run
a
mayoral
campaign.
C
Currently,
the
mayor
presides
over
council
meetings,
science
proclamations
and
makes
appearances
in
addition
to
City
Council
duties,
committees
that
sort
of
thing.
That
means
that
this
position
essentially
does
everything
that
a
council
position
does
and
when
the
mayor
isn't
available
to
attend
events
cut
ribbons.
What
what
happens
I
cancel
member
goes
and
does
it
so
I
think
there's
been
the
sharing
of
responsibilities
among
council
members
and
mayor
for
a
long
long
time,
and
this
would
acknowledge
that
set
of
duties
we
we
generally
haven't.
C
Let
me
let
me
start
over
on
that
one.
We
have
intelligent
people
on
City
Council,
of
course,
each
and
every
council
member
can
perform
or
learn
to
perform.
The
role
of
mayor,
even
as
a
book
begins
with
chapter
1.
An
elected
mayor
begins
at
the
first
council
meeting,
learning
from
city
staff
and
other
council
members
how
to
run
the
meeting
and
how
to
operate
the
technology
beyond.
D
Mayor
mayor,
proteome
city,
council
members,
my
name
is
les
Endel
I
am
a
resident
of
Palm.
Springs
I
have
been
also
to
be
the
president
of
desert
healthcare
district
who
went
through
a
similar
thing
of
dividing
into
zones.
We
unfortunately
didn't
have
the
luxury
of
the
time
that
you've
had
and
I
have
to
congratulate
you
on
the
process
that
you
used
in
the
work
of
the
community
work
group
who
I
agree
with
their
recommendations.
D
The
problem
with
the
citywide
elected
mayor
is
that
it
gives
residents
the
mistaken
impression
impression
that
either
the
mayor
is
the
CEO
of
the
city
which
the
mayor
is
not
or
that
the
mayor
has
additional
decision-making
authority,
other
different
than
other
City
Council
members.
I
read
on
Facebook
this
morning
and
I
admit
that
I
read
Facebook
too
much.
D
We
have
to
come
up
with
a
way
and
it
may
be
difficult,
but
we
have
to
impress
upon
the
citizens
and
anyone
elected
to
the
City
Council
that
at
all
times
they
represent
the
entire
city,
not
just
the
district
from
where
they
were
elected.
It's
important
that
the
people
feel
that
they
know
the
person
and
that
the
person
looks
like
them
or
you
know,
lives
around
them
experiences
the
things
they're
they're
experiencing,
but
the
City
Council
member
represents
the
whole
city.
Thank.
A
B
F
E
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
Peter
Mata.
The
public
meetings
you've
held
to
educate
residents
and
solicit
input
for
districting
were
enormous
ly
helpful
to
me
and
understanding
the
need
and
the
mechanics
of
this
transition
because
of
these
public
meetings.
I'm
now
considering
a
run
for
a
district
seat
in
the
next
election
cycle.
So
thank
you
for
that.
G
My
question
is:
once
we
move
to
districts,
it
seems
that
council
members
will
be
expected
to
vie
for
the
city's
resources
to
satisfy
the
needs
of
their
district
and
its
constituents
over
the
city
as
a
whole.
How
will
this
be
avoided?
This
has
been
an
issue
in
other
cities,
along
with
horse-trading
of
votes.
What
provisions
have
you
made
to
ensure
that
no
district
receives
more
than
its
share
of
the
city's
resources
to
the
exclusion
of
another
district
and
I
have
a
second
question
for
you.
G
What
happens
if
Christie
and
Lisa
were
to
then
run
again,
for
you
know
in
their
districts
again
in
their
current
districts,
since
whoever
wins
the
district
seat
in
the
next
election
cycle
would
then
be
seated
the
seeded
councilmember
for
the
same
district?
Would
they
potentially
be
ineligible
to
run
again,
at
least
in
the
district
in
which
they
reside
mm-hmm,
or
would
the
district's
they
both
reside
and
not
be
a
part
of
the
next
election
cycle?
G
A
B
Good
evening
mayor
moon,
Mayor,
Pro,
Tim,
Roberts
and
council
members,
my
name
is
David
Friedman.
First
I
would
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
CVR,
a
community
working
group
for
all
the
work
they
have
done
in
community
outreach
and
their
thorough
report.
As
someone
who
also
devotes
large
amounts
of
time
to
make
Palm
Springs
a
better
place,
I
greatly
appreciate
their
dedication
to
this
critical
issue
for
the
city's
future.
B
This
option
also
squarely
puts
the
city
within
the
safe
harbor
provisions
of
Government
Code,
section
3
for
886,
which
allows
the
city
by
ordinance
to
make
changes
in
its
electoral
method
that
satisfied
the
purposes
of
the
CVRA.
In
addition
to
strictly
legal
issues,
a
five
by
district
electoral
system
satisfies
the
goals
adopted
by
council
in
May
by
maximizing
the
goals
of
the
CVRA
and
prior
to
prioritizing
the
creation
of
majority-minority
districts.
Each
district
is
by
nature,
more
compact
in
both
its
geographical
size
and
total
population
facilitating
the
electoral
campaign.
B
It
is
also
entirely
possible,
as
shown
in
the
five
district
map,
that
I
submitted
to
satisfy
councils
goal
to
keep
the
organized
neighborhoods
intact.
For
the
reasons
stated
above
in
the
report
of
the
working
group
and
the
subcommittee's
comments
in
the
staff
report
for
this
evening,
I
urge
the
council
to
adopt
the
recommendation
of
the
working
group
and
the
council
subcommittee.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
A
H
Mr.
mayor
councilmembers,
my
name
is
Mark
Marshall
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
follow
up.
I
have
to
tell
you
that
I
really
struggled
with
this
thinking
about.
Do
we
need
a
mayor
for
the
whole
city
and
it
was
actually
for
that
to
begin
with,
but
once
they
started
seeing
the
materials
I
think
came
out
of
your
study
groups
and
hope
it
has
been
made
available
to
us.
I
see
the
advantages.
Many
have
already
been
stated,
but
I
think
the
two
that
mattered
to
me
to
the
most
is
ice.
H
H
What
I
would
ask
is
that
you
preserve
as
best
you
can
the
alts
already
recognize
neighborhoods
and
still
likes
playing
a
neighborhood
in
half
in
one
district.
Why
not
try
that
I
tried
to
do
that
online
and
I
couldn't
quite
get
that
worked
out
to
come
up
with
my
own
recommendation
with
that
said,
I
have
to
tell
you
I
support
the
Smoketree,
mainly
because
I
look
at
it
and
it's
more
cohesive
versus
what
looks
like
gerrymandering
on
some
of
the
others.
Just
so
you
get
the
numbers
right
so
anyway.
Thank
you.
A
E
A
I
Evening,
my
name
is
grace:
Garner
I
am
a
resident
of
Palm
Springs.
A
member
of
the
working
group
and
I
was
also
born
and
raised
here.
I'm
very
proud
to
have
been
a
member
of
the
working
group.
I
feel
that
the
work
that
we
did
is
good
and
I.
Think
the
five
district
model
is
the
model
that
is
most
equitable
and
will
provide
the
most
opportunity
for
Palm
Springs
residents.
I
I
would
love
to
see
a
council
that
reflects
all
of
Palm
Springs
in
so
many
different
ways
and
geographically
would
be
a
huge
step
and
hopefully,
we'll
see
other
diversity.
Measures
as
well.
I
also
agree
that
having
the
mayor,
rotated
or
selected
by
council
will
also
give
a
little
more
representation
to
to
our
residents
so
that
each
person
can
feel
like
their
community
in
their
area
has
a
voice
at
different
times.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration
of
the
five
districts
and
I
hope
that
you
will
adopt
it.
Thank.
A
You
mr.
coroner
administrative
note:
if
someone
finishes
early
and
I
reset
the
system,
I,
don't
start
I,
don't
push
the
start
button
until
they
start
speaking,
so
they
don't
lose
any
time.
That's
why?
Sometimes
you
hear
the
little
thing
go
off
after
they've
started
because
I'm
giving
them
a
few
extra
seconds
because
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
shortchange
anybody.
E
From
the
desert
island
gateway
community,
and
we
submitted
seven
maps
supporting
and
endorsing
the
five
districts,
we
feel
that
it
gives
us
a
better
playing
ground
as
far
as
getting
someone
in
our
district
elected
as
far
as
cost,
and
we
just
feel
we
encouraged
but
know
that
if
a
five-digit
is
elected,
that
we
have
a
chance
to
somebody
in
our
neighborhood
to
represent
Palm
Springs
on
the
council
and
as
far
as
money
is
especially
the
money
part.
So
we
think
you
for
listening.
Thank.
A
I
Good
evening
Council,
my
name
is
Alexis
Ortega
and
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
CBA
working
group
I
was
born
and
raised
in
Palm,
Springs
and
I
to
obviously
support
the
recommendations
of
the
working
group
for
five
districts.
With
the
mayor
position,
elected
or
selected
by
council
I
think
it's
the
most
equitable
way
to
go.
I
I
think
it
pushes
Palm
Springs
forward
and
more
in
line
with
our
values
as
a
progressive,
City
I
think
it
can
do
a
lot
to
decrease
the
cost
of
Elections
and
I
think
that
it
can
do
a
lot
to
engage
in
in
engage
communities
that
possibly
we
haven't.
Seen
and
I
really
appreciate
the
sentiments
of
the
interpreter
this
evening.
I
F
One
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
CPR,
a
working
group
I'm,
obviously
here
to
support
the
five
district
council
elected
mayor.
A
system
of
government
I
came
to
that
for
two
different
reasons.
One
is
experience:
I
worked
in
and
supported
districts
in
the
city
of
Boston
and
saw
how
it
changed
the
city
in
terms
of
and
slowly
in
terms
of
minority
people
feeling
confident
to
run
I.
Think.
Currently,
there
are
four
women
of
color
on
the
Boston
City
Council.
F
When
districts
started
there
weren't
any
and
I,
don't
think
that
I
don't
remember
there
being
any
women
either.
The
other
is
that
I
think
it's
good.
It's
good
government
I
was
in
Santa
Monica.
It
was
on
Planning
Commission
for
six
years
there
they
had
a
consul
elected
mayor
and
what
I
saw
happened
as
the
baton
passed
is
that
people
got
stronger
who
were
on
the
console
we
had
it.
We
basically
just
got
a
much
stronger
consul
where
you
could
turn
to
any
of
the
council
people
and
they
could
provide
leadership
and
I.
Think
I.
F
Think
we'll
see
that
result,
I
think
you
know
we
currently
have
a
mayor
who's.
Doing
all
the
ceremonial
duties
I
it's
it's
probably
hard
to
give
that
to
to
give
that
up,
but
I
do
think
we
gain
something
back
when
we
have
the
the
mayor's
position,
rotating
or
circulating
amongst
the
council,
people
and
I
think
that's
one
way
of
keeping
a
sense
of
the
of
the
council
serving
the
entire
community
and
not
breaking
into
factions,
because
each
of
them
will
have
a
role
representing
the
entire
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
E
Thank
you
for
hearing
me:
I'm
Stephen,
Moses,
I'm,
Harvard,
Law,
School,
trained
experienced
in
government
structure
and
the
electoral
process
by
Palm
Springs
experience,
States
back
to
the
1960s
I'm,
a
full-time
resident,
a
registered
voter
and
I'm.
A
member
of
the
redistricting
working
group.
I,
understand
that
tonight
you
will
decide
whether
to
create
five
districts.
With
a
mayor
selected
periodically
by
the
council
or
four
districts
with
a
mayor,
elected
at-large.
The
working
group
has
been
advised
by
the
city
attorney
that
compliance
for
the
CVRA
is
best
achieved
by
the
five
district
model.
E
The
working
group
received
a
great
deal
of
input
from
citizens
at
its
public
neighborhood
sessions.
By
an
overwhelming
majority,
the
public
input
favored
the
five
district
model.
The
working
group
received
written
input
from
citizens,
the
overwhelming
majority
of
all
those
favored,
the
five
district
model.
The
working
group
in
its
written
report
unanimously
recommended
the
five
district
model.
A
small
number
of
citizens
suggested
holding
a
special
election
to
make
minor
adjustments
in
the
five
or
four
decision.
E
J
J
For
the
four
districts
and
I
have
sent
the
following
response
in
and
I'd
like
to
read
it
to
you
to
allege
that
percentage
differences
between
the
best
of
four
and
five
district
scenarios
are
not
significant
is
false.
A
1%
differential
in
a
5
district
election
would
be
89
votes
for
4
districts.
That
number
increases
to
us
by
almost
25%
to
111
in
the
2015
election
for
at-large
mayor
and
in
two
City
Council
members
for
Palm
Springs,
the
differential
between
the
second
and
third-place
candidates
for
council
in
the
final
tally.
Jr.
J
Roberts
got
four
hundred
and
four
thousand
seven
hundred
eighty
five
votes
and
Paul
Lewin
got
four
thousand
seven
hundred
and
nine
votes.
That
differential
was
only
76
votes,
so
every
percentage
matters
as
we
consider
whether
four
or
five
districts
is
appropriate
for
Palm
Springs
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act.
The
courts
have
determined
two
essential
demographic
criteria
come
into
play:
total
population
per
district
and
the
citizens
of
voting
age
population
by
district
to
satisfy
CVRA
requirements.
J
Each
district
cannot
deviate
from
any
other
on
the
basis
of
the
most
recent
census
data
by
more
than
10%.
In
total,
population
have
Redoute
to
a
variety
of
non-discretionary
dilution
factors
in
demographics,
which
impact
legal
ability
to
vote,
such
as
children
under
18
years
of
age,
green
card
holders,
immigration
status,
convicted
felons
still
serving
sentence,
or
on
parole
and
limited
mental
competency.
An
individual
discretion
in
such
numbers,
such
as
voter
registration
and
voter
turnout,
the
courts
thank.
A
K
Thank
You
mr.
mayor,
my
name
is
Tobias
wolf
I'm,
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
working
group
and
I'd
like
to
use
my
time
today
to
not
go
over
again
the
reasons
for
our
recommendation,
but
to
urge
on
you
the
importance,
if
you
can
of
reaching
a
unanimous
decision
about
that
recommendation.
The
process
that
this
City
Council
has
initiated
in
response
to
the
demand
letter
that
at
God
has
been
remarkable.
It
has
been
a
process
that
has
not
been
about
responding
to
a
potential
lawsuit.
K
It
has
been
a
process
about
taking
an
opportunity
to
address
historical
inequities
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
taking
an
opportunity
to
develop
relationships
of
trust
and
relationships
of
strong
lines
of
communication
with
parts
of
this
city
that,
if
too
long
felt
like
they
didn't
have
that
kind
of
relationship
with
this
body
and
initiating
a
process
that
allowed
us
and
members
of
the
City
Council
and
others
to
hear
the
voices
of
this
community
in
an
engaged
process.
In
a
way
that
is
not
going
to
end.
K
Greatly
made
more
productive,
I
think
by
clear
messages
from
this
council
about
the
values
that
it
is
seeking
to
advance
by
making
the
changes
that
it's
making
and
the
reasons
why
a
five
district
system
best
advanced
those
values.
So
I
encourage
you
to
have
the
most
vigorous
debate
and
discussion
possible
when
you
go
into
when
you
begin
discussing
amongst
yourselves,
but
I
encourage
you
also
to
think
about
the
value
of
not
just
a
clear
decision,
but
a
unanimous
decision.
K
E
Have
my
name
is
Robert
Finley
I'm,
a
resident
of
Palm
Springs
I'm,
not
gonna
deal
I'm,
not
gonna,
get
into
all
of
my
feelings
on
the
district
voting
issue,
and
it
would
take
a
lot
longer
than
two
minutes.
But
I'm
gonna
ask
two
rhetorical
questions
regarding
choosing
the
mayor
from
amongst
the
council
persons
one.
E
What
would
you
be
your
reaction
and
just
think
about
this?
What
would
be
your
reaction
if
the
state
legislature
suddenly
told
all
the
voters
in
California
you're
not
going
to
elect
a
governor
anymore,
you're,
going
to
elect
one
person
to
the
state
legislature
and
then
the
legislature
is
going
to
decide
who's
going
to
be
governor,
we'll
pick
them
from
amongst
our
group?
What
would
be
your
reaction
to
that?
E
Second
question:
let's
take
it
a
step
further.
What
would
be
your
reaction
if
the
US
Congress
said
people
you're
not
going
to
vote
for
the
president
anymore,
like
we
don't
care
what
you
think
we
are
going
to
pick
someone
to
be
President
from
amongst
our
group.
I
want
not
only
the
City
Council
to
think
about
this,
but
everybody
in
the
room
and
everybody
who's
watching
this
on
TV
thing
about
what
your
reaction
would
be
to
that
I
think
this
rotating
mayor
thing
is
a
sack
of
you-know-what,
so
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
A
I
Who's
chosen
to
build
her
life
and
career
here
in
this
city,
and
for
me
to
see
this,
the
city
to
consider
moving
to
a
five
district
is
actually
very
empowering
as
a
resident
to
recognize
that
the
structures
that
are
being
formed
are
actually
inclusive
and
reflective
of
the
people
who
are
living
here,
who
have
been
here
for
generations
and
also
for
new
residents
as
well
to
see
that
there's
a
path
and
that
the
leadership
of
the
city
reflects
that.
Just
one
comment
about
choosing
a
mayor
from
one
of
the
five
City
Council
members.
I
This
is
this
actually
does
happen
in
a
lot
of
other
legislative
bodies,
and
what
we
see
actually
is
when
the
executive
leadership
is
chosen
by
the
kind
of
other
legislative
elected
leaders
oftentimes,
that
top
person
is
more
of
people
of
color
or
women.
So
countries
that
have
women.
Prime
ministers
are
often
chosen
by
those
bodies
so
to
see
the
potential
for
this
long
term.
I
A
Miss
Soto
any
other
speakers,
city
clerk,
sting
none.
We
will
close
public
comment
for
the
unbidden
finished
business
section.
Okay,
next
item
unfinished
business,
provide
direction
regarding
the
recommendations
of
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
CBR,
a
community
working
group
related
to
the
city's
governance
structure,
election
method
and
other
related
matters,
discussion,
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem,
Robert's,.
A
B
A
B
Honorable
mayor
and
city
council,
the
city
council
established
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
CBR,
a
working
group
to
independently
develop
recommendations
related
to
the
city's
governance
structure
and
many
other
election
related
matters.
In
partnership
with
the
working
group,
the
city
has
facilitated
16
engagement
meetings
and
events
in
which
over
400
people
have
attended
and
per
to
input
related
to
the
districting
process.
The
city
has
received
over
40
maps
drawn
by
the
city's
demographer,
but
primarily
from
members
of
the
community
on
September
27th.
B
The
working
group
presented
its
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
at
a
study
session.
The
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
receive
input
or
receive
direction
regarding
whether
the
City
Council
will
adopt
a
four
district
with
the
mayor,
elected
at-large
or
a
five
district
with
the
mayor
elected
from
the
City
Council
electoral
system.
Thank.
L
Guess
we're
gonna
dive
right
into
this
I
first
have
to
say:
having
spent
two
years
writing
policy
with
my
colleague,
councilman
Coors
on
vacation,
rentals
I
can't
say
that
I've
seen
any
group
work
as
exhaustively
as
this
group
has
on
the
CRV.
A
group
I
continue
to
be
impressed
and
humbled
by
the
amount
of
work
that
you
all
put
in
and
the
the
level
of
research
that
was
clearly
necessary
in
this
and
I
and
I
want
to.
Thank
you.
L
I
want
to
thank
you
not
only
for
your
time
to
the
city,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
because
I
didn't
have
to
do
it
because
I
tired
just
thinking
about
all
the
work
that
you
did
so
thank
you
and
you
clearly
are
an
amazing,
an
amazingly
intelligent
group
of
people.
Whatever
you
do,
we
want
you
to
continue
working
with
the
city
at
some
level.
I
know
some
of
you
do
on
a
regular
basis,
because
I
know
your
face
as
well,
but
God
the
rest
of
you
please
stay
involved.
We
need
you.
L
For
me
this
this,
the
question
and
the
the
decision
is
easy.
I
want
to
go
through
a
few
things
quickly.
I
was
moved
by
two
questions
from
Peter
meta.
That
I
think
we
need
to
respond
to
and
I
and
I'm
looking
over
at
staff
and
I
throw
this
one
in
the
air.
What
is
a
situation
where
we
have
two
sitting
Council
members
who
would
potentially
run
again
in
their
districts?
What
would
happen
in
this
next
cycle?
So
Eddie?
Are
you
gonna?
Do
that
one
or
either
one
Judy.
M
And
I'll
speak
first,
because,
frankly,
this
is
an
area
that
is
of
some
complexity.
There
are
rules
that
apply
to
how
the
assignment
or
connection
is
made
between
council
members
and
individual
districts
that
have
to
do
not
only
with
California
law
but
with
federal
law.
We
can't
and
shouldn't
ever
in
this
districting
process
think
about
forming
districts
that
match
where
the
five
of
you
live.
M
In
order
to
keep
the
five
of
you
on
the
council
and
there's
obviously
good
reasons
for
that
I'm
going
to
punt
to
special
council
for
more
detail,
but
suffice
it
to
say
that
once
the
council
makes
the
decision
that
it's
going
to
make
and
the
map
and
that's
really
frankly,
the
subject
of
two
statutorily
mandated
public
hearings
and
the
map
that
you're
going
to
use
is
selected
at
that
point
will
start
turning
toward
logistics
and
I.
Guess
the
shorter
answer
to
your
question
that
I
could
have
given,
but
I
wanted
to
give.
L
N
M
N
L
N
Like
pairing
two
things
to
you
got
you
where,
and
it
does
happen
from
time
to
time
where
maps
are
drawn
and
the
result
is
that
to
incumbent
councilmembers,
I
actually
had
one
earlier
this
year,
where
there
were
three
that
were
in
one
specific
district.
It
does
happen
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
mr.
Cochran
had
mentioned,
I'll
echo
his
comments
under
both
a
state
and
federal
law.
L
Right
so
I,
I'm,
sorry,
I,
guess,
I
didn't
ask
my
question
correctly
or
more
importantly,
I
might
have
misheard
our
speaker.
My
understanding
of
the
question
was
simply
this,
regardless
of
what
we
do
with
our
maps
and
we're
not
talking
about
that
tonight.
The
question
was
simply
about
what
will
happen
so
there
there
are
three
seats
coming
up
in
in
November,
and
there
worked
are
two
council
members
that
will
remain
to
finish
their
terms
if
the
districts
happen
to
be
cut
in
such
a
way
that
one
or
both
of
them
land
in
a
district.
L
What
will
then
happen?
I
will
somebody
and
I
may
bring
the
speaker
back
up
here
to
help
to
know
right?
We
if
I,
didn't
care
him
right.
We
get
you,
but
somebody
is
I,
decide
to
run
in
the
district
where
Lisa
is
currently
residing
just
by
a
fluke
because
I
might
live
in
her
district.
In
fact,
I
think
I
do
so.
In
that
case,
what
happens
when
wheezes
term
is
completed
in
two
years
and
is
that's
the
question
understood.
N
If
you
have
an
at-large
seat,
that
say
is
going
to
go.
Let's
use
the
example.
You
have
a
seat,
that's
gonna
go
beyond
2019,
so
you
have
a
seat.
That's
gonna
go
to
2021!
Thank
you!
It's
your
district
is
going
to
be
up
in
2019
under
whatever
the
rollout
plan
is.
That
incumbent
will
have
a
choice.
That
incumbent
can
either
serve
out
the
remaining
two
two
and
a
half
years
of
his
or
her
term,
but
then
we'll
have
to
wait
two
additional
years
until
that
district
seat
comes
back
up
again
in
2023,
so.
N
N
L
O
Like
to
ask
a
follow-up:
if
I
may
mr.
mayor
it's
interesting
because
I
was
at
the
League
of
California
cities,
training
and
they
discussed
and
I
thought,
you
said
that
incumbency.
So
someone
having
a
seat,
isn't
a
consideration,
we're
not
able
to
consider
that
in
mapping.
But
when
I
went
to
the
League
of
California
cities,
training
on
this,
they
actually
did
say
something
that
I
was
surprised
by,
because
personally
I
think
we
should
make
this
decision
without
consideration
of
my
personal
interests.
O
It's
for
the
city
at
large
and
the
history
of
the
city
going
forward,
but
I
actually
did
have
an
expert.
They
said
that
by
considering
incumbency
who's
in
that
seat,
now
we're
respecting
the
vote
of
the
people
who
voted
those
people
in
so
is
that
just
for
drawing
maps
where
we
aren't
able
to
consider
that
III.
N
L
That's
that
was
my
understanding
of
it
as
well.
I
just
didn't
know
what
how
this
all
laid
out
for
two
that
are
currently
seated
on
the
council.
So
that's
that's
interesting
and
compelling
in
the
concept
that
they
could
vacate
their
seats
just
to
hold
their
seeds
rerun
and
hold
their
seats
is
a
very
interesting
one.
N
M
Pro
Tem
I
just
want
to
inject
one
additional
concept
and
mr.
priest
will
correct
me
if
he's
aware
of
precedent
or
practice.
That
is
contrary
you
don't
suspend
common
sense
once
the
map
is
drawn
and
you're
talking
about
which
council
members
correspond
to
which
districts,
if
it
happens
to
be
the
case
once
the
district
lines
are
drawn,
that
I
understand.
L
L
It
was
very
simply
that
if
this
happened
to
way
down
where
these
one
of
these
councilmembers
districts
was,
you
know,
was
somebody's
gonna
run
for
minik
and
and
I
guess,
of
course
they
will
somebody's
gonna
run
in
every
district,
so
I
wondered
I
wondered
how
it
would
it
would
how
they
would
deal
with
it
and
the
answer
that
they
could
potentially
rerun,
which
the
thought
of
rerunning
the
can't
your
campaigns
two
years
early.
Doesn't
that
sound
fun?
P
L
G
G
L
Thank
you
so
much
so
on
his
second
questions,
I
think
I'm
gonna
leave
those
alone.
I
mean
the
from
my
understanding.
The
council
will
simply
have
to
work
that
out.
You
know
essentially
figuring
out
what
districts
going
to
get
what
resources
is
going
to
be
the
subject
of
a
lot
of
debate
and
a
lot
of
conversations
at
that
time.
That's
gonna.
L
Yeah
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
so
I
just
want
to
say
that
when
I
start
by
saying
this
would
be
an
easy
decision
for
me
it
it
is
I'm
referring
to
the
decision
of
having
five
districts
over
four
and
having
a
rotating
mayor
and
and
the
three
reasons
that
it
makes.
The
most
sense
for
me
is
a
the
our
our
subcommittee
pretty
much
proved
to
us
that
it
makes
better
sense
on
many
levels
through
their
research.
L
My
understanding
is
that
most
cities
in
California
are
on
a
rotating
mayor
basis
and
I
I'm,
probably
I,
think
I'm.
The
only
person
up
here
that
has
served
as
mayor
in
a
city
that
had
a
rotating
mayor
and
I
can
tell
you
that
it
worked
well
and
it
works
well
for
some
of
the
reasons
that
were
brought
up
by
other
speakers.
L
So
for
me,
it's
easy
I,
very
much
support
five
districts
I
in
looking
at
the
maps
which
I
know
we're
not
talking
about
tonight.
It
makes
more
sense
to
me
from
the
map
models
that
I've
seen
so
far
and
and
sharing
the
position
of
mayor,
although
it's
mostly
ceremonial
I
think
makes
sense
and
it's
good.
It's
good
for
the
community
and
I
think
it's
good
for
the
council
and
I
haven't
heard
any
argument
that
makes
sense
against
it.
So
far.
Quite
frankly,
so
that's
where
I'm
heading
that's.
P
P
L
P
The
the
difference
here
is
in
those
cases
that
people
are
electing
the
chief
executive
officer
in
our
city.
The
chief
executive
officer
is
the
city
manager,
so
the
majority
of
cities,
the
vast
majority,
are
size
and
that
have
a
city
manager.
Council
form
of
government
is
a
five-member
counts.
So
with
the
mayor
selected
from
within
the
council,
it
is
a
different
situation.
If
we
think
about
how
we
elect
our
County
Board
of
Supervisors,
we
get
to
vote
for
one
of
the
five
and
they
pick
who
is
the
President
of
the
Board
of
Supervisors.
P
If
we
look
at
the
school
district,
we
elect
one
of
five.
If
we
look
at
the
desert
healthcare
district,
we
will
be
electing
105,
Kopp,
Community,
College
District,
so
for
municipal
government,
where
there's
actually
a
professional
who
is
the
chief
executive
officer
whose
elec
selected
by
the
council,
this
is
the
way
it
is
usually
done
so
I
think
it's
a
distinction
from
the
other,
that's
not
to
say
that
people.
Of
course
some
people
are
going
to
feel
they
want
to
get
to
vote
for
every
position.
Absolutely
understand
that,
but
I
think
there's
a
distinction
there.
P
There's
a
couple
comments:
I
think
we
talked
a
lot
at
the
me
now
so
I
want
to
echo
the
amazing
job.
The
working
group
did
I
think
Anthony
said
it
was
over
600
hours
of
volunteer
time
and
16
meetings
and
just
very
impressive
and
very
appreciative
that
we
have
people
that
we
do
in
the
city
who
put
that
kind
of
time
into
working
to
improve
our
city.
So
thank
you.
You
know,
for
me,
I
think
it's!
P
It's
at-large
elections
if
such
elections
result
in
racially
polarized
voting
or
impact
the
ability
of
an
already
so
low
candidates
of
their
choice
due
to
voter
dilution,
minority
voter
dilution.
So
if
our
goal
is
to
comply,
the
only
way
to
fully
comply
and
to
protect
ourselves
from
a
lawsuit
entirely,
as
both
the
city
attorney
or
outside
expert
have
said,
you
is
to
go
to
five
districts.
So
to
do
something
that
will
leave
a
susceptible
for
a
lawsuit,
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
and
that's
not
as
much
compliant
with
a
California
voter,
Rights
Act.
P
So
that's
sort
of
my
first
priority.
You
know
the
issue
of
the
charters
come
up
and
I
just
want
to
you
know
as
we
look
at
the
Charter,
no
matter
what
we
decide.
It's
not
going
to
be
entirely
consistent
with
a
charter
right
right
now
we
have
five
members
of
the
City
Council,
who
are
all
elected
at-large.
One
of
those
members
is
a
mayor,
who's,
also
elected
at-large.
P
So
that's
going
to
change.
We
can
change
it
by
saying
for
will
no
longer
be
elected,
at-large
and
one
will
or
five
will
no
longer
be
elected,
at-large
and
all
will
still
be
elected
in
the
same
manner,
which
is
more
consistent
with
the
charters
co-equal
members
of
council
now
from
a
legal
power
authority.
P
The
mayor's
position
won't
change
either
way
because
the
mayors
of
ceremonial
mayor,
but
one
of
the
concerns
that
the
working
group
expressed
and
that
I
share,
is
the
perception
that
someone
elected
by
the
whole
city
will
be
seen
as
by
many
as
having
more
power
than
people
elected
by
25
percent
of
the
city
and
that
impact
that
could
have
so.
Those
to
me
are
sort
of
significant
factors
and
when
we
look
at
the
maps
that
were
submitted
and
I
think
we
have
more
than
any
other
City
has
ever
seen
submitted
from
residents.
So
thank
you.
P
P
Looking
at
parks
and
community
centers
and
major
roadways
and
schools
and
the
other
factors
than
four
districts
well,
so
that's
sort
of
the
main
focus
I'm
looking
at
this
on,
but
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
policy
reasons
and
I
think
there
are
good
arguments
on
both
sides
and
I
appreciate
the
working
group
really
sharing
reasons
they
considered,
but
they
that
they
thought
were
important
for
for
districts,
but
they
didn't
outweigh
the
five
districts
and
I
appreciate
you
looking
at
both
sides
of
that.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Man.
O
You
mr.
mayor
we've
talked
about
this
a
lot
we
had
a
meeting
last
week,
so
it
feels
a
little
repetitive
but
I
know
a
lot
of
people
weren't
there
and
aren't
following
it,
and
so
just
to
echo
my
colleagues
comments,
I,
agree,
I.
Think
five
districts
with
a
rotating
mayor
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
I
think
that
it's
the
only
option.
That's
fully
consistent
with
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act.
We
have
to
remember
that
we
are
being
sued.
O
We
got
a
demand
letter
saying
that
the
at-large
system
that
we
use
now
people
voting
at-large
for
all
of
us
and
for
the
mayor
dilutes
minority
voters,
votes,
meaning
that
minority
voters
cannot
pick
and
elect
their
candidates
of
choice.
Though
California
legislature
has
made
a
policy
determination
that
City
Council's
just
should
be
district
it
actually,
boards
elected
board
should
be
district.
It
that's
how
our
legislature
works
in
California,
that's
how
Congress
works,
that's
how
most
of
our
elected
bodies
work,
and
so
it
just.
O
Although
I
understand
the
concern
that
we're
getting
some
people
are
getting
votes
taken
away
because
we
can
no
longer
vote
for
you
know
multiple
council
members
and
a
mayor.
Actually
other
people
are
going
to
have
a
stronger
vote,
because
now
we're
going
to
have
districts
where
it's
a
majority,
minority
district
and
people
can
actually
elect
who
they
want
and
there's
no
voter
dilution,
which
is
illegal
under
the
law.
So
I
think
that
having
if
we
were
to
choose
four
districts
with
an
at-large
mayor,
I've
looked
at
this
closely.
It's
a
hard
decision.
O
But
if
we
were
to
still
have
an
at-large
mayor
that
would
prevent
people
from
diverse
backgrounds,
people
who
are
not
independently
wealthy,
who
cannot
fund
their
campaigns,
who
might
not
be
able
to
raise
$500,000
$250,000
to
run
for
that
position.
It
prevents
people
from
running
and
it
dilutes
minority
votes
and
I
think
that
if
we
were
to
choose
four
districts
with
an
at-large
mayor,
I
think
that
directly
conflicts
with
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act
I.
O
O
We
if
I
looked
on
the
Wikipedia
list
of
all
of
our
mayors
and
our
city
council
members
since
1938
I
know,
we've
had
different
systems
throughout
that
time,
but
we
have.
We
have
had
a
history
of
historic
inequality,
segregation
and
exclusion
in
our
city,
especially
with
section
14,
which
I'm
grateful
for
the
working
group
for
referencing
that,
because
that
has
effects
now
on
families
and
residents
in
our
city
now,
and
so
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
and
I
think
this
starts.
O
It
starts
the
process
of
allowing
people
from
marginalized
communities
to
be
involved
in
the
city
to
run
for
office
and
to
serve
successfully
so
I
looked
at
that
Wikipedia
list.
Since
1938
we've
had
one
black
mayor
in
all
of
that
time,
we've
had
no
Latino
latina
mayor's
we've
had
no
fee
male
mayors.
So
having
an
at-large
system,
you
can
just
see
from
the
history
prevent
certain
people
from
running
and
winning
that
seat.
It
is
exclusionary.
O
Making
sure
I
make
all
my
points
it's
hard,
because
we
haven't
really
discussed
this
in
depth
together
as
a
community,
so
I
just
have
a
few
questions
or
one
or
two
when
we're
deciding
how
to
rotate
mayor.
When
are
we
if
we
decide
that
today?
When
are
we
going
to
decide
that
so
we
talked?
The
working
group
gave
us
recommendations
about
self
selecting
or
voting
or
rotating
those
types
of
models.
So
when,
in
our
system
of
process,
are
we
going
to
decide
that
I'm.
L
Q
M
Q
Do
not
have
to
make
a
decision
as
to
what
the
process
is
going
to
be
for
rotation
this
evening.
That's
not
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening.
It
is
something
that
there
are
many
alternative
methods.
Some
quite
subtle
and
I
recommend
that
we
defer
that
decision
until
we
can
set
it
up
in
such
a
way
that
we
are
truly
examining
all
of
the
options
and
the
community
is
also
aware
of
all
of
the
options
that
we
have
I.
Q
M
M
One
thing
I
would
add,
though,
to
councilmember
holstege
is
question
that
I
think
is
essential.
We
would
not
recommend
that
you
incorporate
in
the
ordinance
by
which
you
establish
these
districts.
That
system,
in
fact,
typically
speaking
with
respect
to
good
government
that
I
know
mr.
priest
has
seen
elsewhere
and
I
have
seen
elsewhere.
The
policy
that
a
council
chooses
to
pursue
with
respect
to
this
is
adopted
most
typically
I'm,
not
saying
never
by
ordinance,
but
usually
it's
by
resolution.
M
O
You
so
I
would
agree
with
councilmember
Middleton
that
we
don't
have
enough
information
about
all
the
different
options
and
recommendations
for
the
way
to
do
that,
but
I
do
support
having
five
districts
from
all
of
the
reasons
really
that
the
working
group
laid
out.
I
thought
that
was
an
excellent
report
and
we're
really
grateful
for
your
service.
I
didn't
know
until
reading
this
report
that
you're
you
were
meeting
every
single
week
and
hosting
and
putting
on
all
of
these
events
and
having
long
sessions.
O
It's
just
incredible
the
amount
of
work
that
you've
done
on
this
and
we're
so
lucky
to
have
just
really
the
best
people
working
for
our
city
and
and
doing
this
work.
It's
just
incredible.
The
type
of
people
that
we
have
in
our
community
who
who
are
involved
in
getting
involved
I
know
we
have
a
lot
more
out
there
that
we
still
want
to
get
involved
and
we
still
want
those
voices
and-
and
your
work
will
allow
us
to
do
that.
O
I
only
have
one
other
specific
question
which
was
asked
by
a
member
of
the
public
is
if
we
could
have
an
overlay
map
of
the
1ps
neighborhoods
on
some
of
those
maps.
So
I
know
we
have
a
separate
one
PS
neighborhood
map,
but
maybe
as
we're
moving
forward
in
the
process,
we
could
actually
do
some
some
overlays
of
some
of
the
main
ones
that
we
pick
so
that
people
can
really
make
sure
that
their
neighborhoods
are
together
and
that's
you
know,
that's
all
I
have
to
say
it's.
It's
interesting.
I
do
think
that
we
need.
O
You
know
more
diversity
up.
You
know
it's
it's
hard
to
do
this
job
as
a
working
person.
You
know
it's.
It's
often
hard.
All
of
us
at
one
time
in
our
lives
have
felt
like
you
know.
We
were
the
only
one
like
us
in
a
room
or
on
a
board
and
that's
really
hard
for
our
residents,
and
people
need
to
see
themselves
up
here.
So
I.
Think
five
districts
with
a
rotating
mayor
will
share
that
power
with
the
whole
community
and
allow
new
voices
to
shine
through.
Thank
you,
as.
Q
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
I'm,
going
to
repeat
a
few
things
that
have
been
said
already,
but
there's
no
way
not
to
repeat
a
few
of
the
things,
beginning
with
incredible
admiration
and
appreciation
for
the
working
group
and
what
they
did
in
terms
of
work
product
and
laying
out
the
issues
and
reaching
out
to
the
community.
Q
All
of
us
that
are
up
here
on
the
dais
have
run
citywide.
We
have
reached
out
to
communities
all
over
to
try
to
get
votes
and
ultimately
we
were
successful.
We're
sitting
here.
But
one
of
the
things
that
we
certainly
know
from
running
for
office
is,
we
did
not,
for
the
most
part,
see
the
entire
community
of
Palm
Springs
present
at
so
many
of
the
campaign.
Q
Events
that
we
went
to
on
the
trail
and
as
I
think
back
upon
the
individuals
that
I
encountered
and
loved
in
my
own
campaign
and
compare
that
to
what
we
saw
at
the
various
outreach
programs.
There
were
definitely
differences
in
those
audiences
in
the
outreach
programs,
and
that
was
more
reflective
of
the
full
community
that
we
have
here
in
Palm
Springs,
and
we
are
involved
in
this
because
it
is
a
civil
rights
issue.
Q
This
is
not
just
simply
there's
an
attorney
who
filed
something
and
now
we've
got
a
lawsuit
and
we
have
to
deal
with
it.
This
is
a
matter
of
civil
rights
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
reflected
back
on
as
we
talk
about
civil
rights
and,
frankly,
talking
about
it
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
we
vote
on
civil
rights
was
one
of
my
earliest
memories.
As
a
twelve-year-old
in
1964.
Q
At
the
end
of
the
campaign,
my
father
took
me
to
a
huge
rally
that
Hubert
Humphrey
was
speaking
at.
It
was
mostly
labor,
mostly
from
folks
from
East
Los
Angeles
senator
humph,
then
senator
Humphrey
was
getting
enthusiastic
applause
from
all
over
the
crowd.
It
was
a
he's,
a
good
speaker
at
the
end
of
his
speech.
Q
Q
We
create
the
greatest
opportunity
for
us
to
allow
those
communities
to
represent
someone
who
looks
like
them
and
as
each
and
every
one
of
us
who
has
ever
looked
at
a
Dyess.
That
includes
no
one
who
looks
like
you
knows.
It
makes
a
difference
when
you
see
someone
who
is
like
you,
mr.
Dubey
identified
very
clearly,
five
Maps
gets
us
with
citizens
of
voting
age
population
to
at
least
one
district.
Q
That's
almost
50/50
and
two
other
districts
that
are
right
at
25%
the
we
need
to
not
diminish
the
ability
of
minority
voters
to
represent
themselves
and
going
2-5.
Does
that
I've
also
heard
from
different
individuals
that
the
mayor
is
the
chief
executive
of
the
city?
That
is
simply
not
the
case
in
Palm
Springs.
It
is
the
case
in
many
places.
Q
All
of
us
remember
that
Mayor
Daley
got
things
done.
I
grew
up
in
Los
Angeles
and
for
a
number
of
years,
Tom
Bradley
was
the
mayor
of
Los
Angeles
and
was
an
incredible
symbol
for
our
for
our
city,
but
neat
whether
it's
mayor
Daly,
mayor
Bradley,
LaGuardia
de
Blasio,
Michael
Bloomberg,
all
of
the
legendary
mayor's
they
were
the
chief
executives
of
their
city.
They
were
the
executives.
The
City
Council
was
the
legislature
in
our
system
of
checks
and
balances.
The
City
Council
acts
as
a
legislative
body.
The
city
manager
acts
as
the
executive
council.
Q
A
Thank
You
councillor
Milton
I'd
like
to
certainly
thank
the
subcommittee
for
all
the
extraordinary
work
they
did
and
also
the
city
clerk
who's
worked
very
hard
on.
This
is
the
city
manager
and
his
staff,
and
the
working
group
is
phenomenal
and
I've
been
really
studying
this
issue
very,
very
hard
and
I.
Really
last
week
was
the
meeting.
A
One
thing:
that's
bothered
me
very
deeply,
though,
is
especially
last
week.
Listening
and
even
tonight
is
the
description
of
our
city
is
being
so
extremely
racist
and
divided
I.
Don't
think.
That's
true
I
think
this
is
the
least
racist,
there's
racism
everywhere
everywhere
and
prejudice
everywhere,
and
it's
gonna
be
along
I.
Don't
think
we'll
see
that
go
away
in
our
lifetimes,
but
I
think
Palm
Springs
is
one
of
the
least
racist
places.
I've
ever
lived,
I've
lived
in
Washington
DC
for
a
long
time.
This
is
certainly
a
lot
less
racist.
A
The
Washington
DC
was,
and
I
grew
up
in
Little
Rock
Arkansas
in
the
1950s
in
the
1960s
you
don't
get
more
racist
than
that,
so
Palm
Springs
to
me
is
like,
like
like,
like
is
a
wonderful
place
to
live
because,
like
I
said
there,
obviously
there
is
gonna,
be
some
racism,
but
I
think
we
are
the
least
racist
place
I've
ever
seen.
However,
that
being
said,
I
really,
you
know
I
think
it's.
A
It's
really
important
that
you
know
we
recognize
the
rights
of
the
minorities
and
give
minorities
a
chance
to
be
representative
but
Elsa.
So
I
also
think
we
need
to
represent
and
be
concerned
about
the
majority
and
in
City
and
Palm
Springs
I
mean
people.
Compare
us
to
this
city.
That
city
and
in
Sausalito
may
pretend,
when
you
were
rotated,
was
that
you
were
directly
elected
over
you
districts,
so
everyone
had
voted
in
the
city
had
selected
you
to
be
on
there.
I
just
wanted
I
didn't
know.
A
Don't
you
know
I
I
really
don't
believe
like
so
many
people
said
it's
because
people
think
people
here
don't
think
of
the
mayor's
a
seat,
the
CEO
people
who
know
no
better
and
they
watch
our
meetings.
They
see
it's
it's
you
know.
If
you
can
count
to
three,
that's
how
it
works.
The
mayor
doesn't
have
any
veto
power,
any
special
power
or
anything,
but
people
in
Palm
Springs
we're
different,
we're
not
Cathedral
City
we're
not
Rancho
Mirage.
We
are
one
of
the
most
recognized
small
cities
in
California.
A
Who
is
going
to
beat
that
figurehead
that
representative,
that
person
who
shows
up
the
cuts
ribbons
who
does
presentations
I
think
they
want
to
do
it
so
I
think
should
I
personally
cannot
support
five
districts
and
a
rotated
mayor.
Our
last
week,
our
city
attorney
said
that
he
felt
that
and
correct
me.
If
I
miss
quote
you
that
we
could
go
to,
we
could
sell
to
the
people
of
suing
us
the
four
districts
and
directly
elected
mayor.
A
M
M
A
M
P
M
A
I'm
not
gonna,
sit
here
and
talk
for
20
minutes.
In
summary,
I
think
you
know
I've
really
changed
my
position
in
you
know
it's
not
just
a
gun
to
my
head
anymore,
because,
because
we're
gonna
be
sued
for
millions
of
dollars,
if
we
don't
do
it,
I
think
you
know
having
districts
is
gonna,
be
a
good
thing
in
the
long
run,
but
I
don't
see
that
much
difference
between
four
districts
and
five
districts
and
I
really
think
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
the
vast
majority
of
the
people.
A
Although
we've
heard
for
three
or
four
hundred
people
I've
been
to
probably
eight
and
I
didn't
know,
I
was
been
trying
to
learn.
I
went
to
what,
like
eight
of
the
public
meetings,
I
went
to
two
of
the
training
sessions.
I've
listened
to
everything.
I've
gone
to
everything.
I
could
to
try
to
learn,
learn,
learn
about
this,
but
I've
not
been
convinced
that
the
majority
of
the
people
we've
seen
the
city
clerk
said
400
people,
but
a
lot
of
those
people
have
been
saying.
A
People
may
be
counted
choice
because
people,
a
lot
of
people,
went
to
multiple
meetings
so
but
there's
a
lot
more
people
than
that
in
Palm.
Springs
I
personally,
do
not
feel
that
the
majority
the
people
in
Palm
Springs
want
to
rotate
the
mayor
amongst
the
City
Council
members
who
are
voted
by
districts
because
then
anyone
who's
sitting
in
the
representative
seat,
the
figurehead
seat,
has
not
been
elected
by
all
the
people
of
Palm
Springs
to
elect
all
to
represent
all
the
people
of
Palm
Springs
they've
been
elected
by
one
district.
A
So
you
know
I've
tried,
I've,
listened
I've
changed
a
lot,
but
I
haven't
changed
far
enough
to
give
our
working
group
what
they
want,
which
is
a
Manorama
which
is
a
unanimous
decision.
I
just
I,
just
in
my
heart,
I,
have
to
vote
what
I
think
in
what
I
have
observed
and
I've
changed.
But
I
haven't
changed
that
much
so
I
I
key
I
support
the
districts,
but
I
don't
support
five
districts
in
a
rotating
mayor.
Here
we
go
there
for
Tim.
L
Thank
you,
Mary
I,
just
want
to
clarify
something:
I
know
that
we're
not
going
through
the
weeds
tonight
and
the
mechanics
of
how
the
mayor
will
be
elected
by
council
I
do
want
to
get
clarification
on
one
issue,
though,
with
respect
to
that
we're
using
the
term
rotating
so
I
that
term
to
me
is
a
Miss
known
misnomer
from
what
I
understand
we're
moving
toward
in
the
other
city.
I
served,
we
didn't
necessarily
rotate.
N
L
M
L
P
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
and
I
appreciate
your
comments
and
coming
to
so
many
of
the
meetings
and
I
guess
my
experience
from
going
to
those
meetings
was
different.
I
walked
away,
somewhat
surprised
and
really
had
a
look
at
myself
at
the
amount
of
racism.
I
saw
in
some
of
those
meetings
and
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
and
the
stories
of
people
and
the
racism
they
experienced.
P
You
know:
I
I
gave
you
a
point
that
the
voters
voted
for
a
directly
elected
at-large
mayor.
They
also
voted
for
all
directly
elected
at-large
council
members.
So
if
we're
not
going
to
we're
gonna
keep
an
at-large
element
and
that's
will
keep
it
all.
I
mean.
Why
should
one
position
stay
the
way
it
was
and
for
others
become
25
percent?
So,
if
it's
what's
so
important
is
what
the
majority
of
the
voters
wanted,
then
why
support
only
keeping
the
mayor
at
large
instead
of
all
council
members
at
large
that
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
P
I
also
think
and
know
that
when
it
comes
to
district
elections
in
the
CVRA,
if
the
voters
vote
as
one
city
did
to
not
go
to
districts,
the
judge
will
respond.
I,
don't
care.
The
law
doesn't
give
you
that
right
and
in
fact,
if
the
results
of
that
election,
when
it's
broken
down,
show
racially
polarized
voting
in
that
citywide
election.
That
could
be
evidence
in
a
lawsuit
against
the
city.
So
that
would
be
a
poor
way
to
move
forward
when
we
could
do
something
that
is
beneficial
more
consistent
with
the
CVRA
and
avoid
litigation.
P
P
It
doesn't
protect
us,
it
just
means,
as
that
group
is
going
through
cities
to
move
to
districts.
That's
not
their
main
focus
right
now,
but
it
keeps
an
at-large
element,
which
is
what
the
CVRA
says
you
shouldn't
have,
and
the
only
other
thing
is
we
adopted
unanimously
before
we
saw
maps
before
we
knew
what
districts
might
look
like
how
minority
voter
dilution
might
happen.
P
We
all
agree
to
the
criteria
we
would
use
in
making
this
decision
and
one
was
to
maximize
the
goals
of
the
California
voter,
Rights,
Act
and
I
actually
thought
and
actually
said
at
meetings
that
four
districts
might
do
that
better.
It
might
give
us
more
flexibility
in
drawing
bigger
districts
that
might
give
us
better
representation.
I
said
I
was
open
to
that.
I
really
want
to
understand
what
maps
look
like,
how
they
impacted
communities
interest.
You
know
how
they
impacted
minority,
voter
dilution
and
other
factors.
P
O
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
I
just
wanted
to
respond
as
well
and
and
and
urge
the
mayor
to
do
a
unanimous
decision
on
this,
for
the
reasons
that
our
working
group
put
forward
that
we're
making
a
strong
we're,
sending
a
strong
message
to
the
entire
community
about
where
people
fit
in
the
role
of
the
mayor
in
our
city
government,
the
role
of
council,
our
relationships
between
each
other
we've
gotten
advice
from
our
city
attorney.
Our
special
counsel
who's.
O
Ulm
embers,
is
less
consistent
with
our
charter,
because
our
charter
sets
forth
which
our
Charter
is
the
Constitution
for
our
city,
and
we
have
to
follow
that
above
everything
else
on
for
our
city
at
least,
and
that
that
does
co-equal
members
on
City
Council.
The
mayor's
role
is
really
important.
I
know
that
that's
important
to
the
people
of
Palm
Springs.
We
want
a
good
spokesperson.
We
are
a
national
brand.
We
are
a
you
know,
world-class
city
or
like
no
place
else.
O
We
want
someone
who
can
represent
our
values
and
that's
really
important
to
the
people
of
Palm
Springs,
so
so
I
agree,
but
I
think
that
having
a
separately
elected
at-large
mayor,
it's
just
too
inconsistent
with
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act,
which
we
agreed,
that
that
would
be
our
main
driving
principle
and
it's
inconsistent
with
our
charter.
It
sets
up
all
kinds
of
complications
and
problems
in
the
relationship
on
council.
In
you
know,
the
public
I
went
to
nearly
all
of
those
meetings
that
I
continually
heard
people's
confusion
about
how
our
government
works.
O
We've
had
issues
in
the
past
alleged
issues
that
we're
facing
with
our
former
mayor
that
we've
had
mayors
who
had
were
larger
than
life
and
felt
that
they
were
above
others
and
could
exert
a
lot
of
influence.
That's
what
we
want
to
avoid
we're
a
city
that
we
stand
for
transparency,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
people
elect
the
people
in
power
and
that
there
isn't
confusion
over
who
can
do
what
who
runs
the
city,
and
so
you
know,
I
I,
strongly
believe
and
looking
at
this
and
I
take
it
very
seriously.
O
My
husband's
third
generation
Palm
Springs
I,
know
a
lot
of
old-school.
Palm
Springs
people
like
that.
Having
that
mayor
who's
a
spokesperson
but
I,
actually
think
we
can
do
that
better.
As
with
a
mayor
selected
by
the
City,
Council
I
agree
with
our
mayor,
pro-tem
I,
don't
think
everyone
wants
to
be
mayor,
I
think
it's
actually
a
ton
of
work
for
one
person
to
do
for
four
years.
That's
just
a
long
time
to
be
going
to
every
single
grand
opening
every
single
event.
O
It's
a
lot
of
work
when
you
also
have
the
work
of
the
legislative
body
as
well,
and
so
I
think
it
just
makes
more
sense.
I
do
think
it's
really
important
to
have
a
consistent
message
that
we're
telling
our
community
about
our
values
and
about
how
our
government
works
to
have
a
unified
message
and
a
unanimous
voice,
and
just
really
quickly,
because
I
do
have
to
comment
about
the
racism
and
I.
O
O
Nearly
everything
I
read
this
whole
packet.
All
of
the
comments
that
we've
received,
except
for
a
few
they've,
all
been
supportive
of
five
districts
with
a
rotating
or
council
elected
mayor,
and
so
that's
what
I
believe.
You
know
the
people
of
Palm
Springs
want
I.
Think
it's
what's
right
and
actually
just
follows.
O
Q
Q
Moved
to
Palm
Springs
because
they
knew
it
was
going
to
be
an
inclusive
community
and
I.
Think
that
applies
to
almost
I
think.
That
applies
to
absolutely
all
five
of
us
who
are
sitting
up
here.
We
all
moved
to
the
city,
knowing
the
kind
of
values
that
we
were
going
to
see
when
we
got
here
so
I
am
very
proud
to
call
myself
a
resident
of
Palm
Springs.
Q
Q
Do
we
have
the
kind
of
racism
in
our
community
that
all
of
us
have
experienced
at
different
times
in
our
lives?
No,
but
we
know
from
having
attended
the
community
outreach
programs
that
it
still
exists
within
our
community
and
that's
something
that
we
want.
That
is
inconsistent
with
Palm
Springs
values.
Q
One
of
the
values
that
we
identified
right
at
the
very
beginning
of
this
process
is
the
best
interest
of
the
city
of
as
a
whole
is
the
responsibility
of
each
and
every
person
who
is
elected.
We
are
going
to
make
good
on
that
value
by
enacting,
as
we
move
forward
rules
processes,
customs
procedures,
traditions
that
make
it
clear.
People
are
expected
when
they
set
up
here
to
put
the
interests
of
the
city
as
a
whole.
Q
First,
they
still
will
have
to
represent
districts,
and
will
we
at
some
point
in
time
somewhere
get
someone
who
could
care
less
about
the
rest
of
the
city
I'm
just
here
for
my
district,
it
will
likely
happen,
but
I
think
that
person
will
find
themselves
very
much
in
a
minority.
My
last
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
a
question,
and
this
goes
to
either
mr.
Kotkin
or
mr.
priest
does
four
plus
an
at-large
mayor
or
five
districts,
which
one
of
those
two
best
conforms
with
our
current
charter.
I.
M
Think
I'll
take
that
one
and
I
had
a
very
good
discussion
with
mr.
priest.
The
popular
warden
I
was
robust
and
as
the
city
attorney
in
house,
which
is
a
decision
that
this
council
made
a
short
time
ago,
I
look
at
the
Charter,
not
only
as
a
static
legal
principle
document
I
look
at
it
as
a
living
breathing
document
that
you
all
conform.
M
From
my
vantage
point
and
I've
expressed
this
for
some
time
now,
the
the
four
plus
one
is
less
consistent
with
the
Charter.
That's
not
to
say
that
it
wouldn't
the
mayor's
point
a
short
time
ago,
work
out
and
and
be
something
that
legally
would
float.
But
as
a
practical
matter,
if
you're
asking
me
what's
more
consistent,
no
question
the
five
district
model,
thank.
A
M
L
Q
What
the
subcommittee
is
recommending
is
that
each
one
of
us,
as
members
of
the
council
review
all
of
the
maps
take
a
look
at
which
ones
you
tend
to
like
which
ones
you
don't
come
and
listen
at
the
next
meeting
that
is
dedicated
to
this
subject.
But
at
the
end
of
that
meeting
we
need
to
get
down
to
a
small
number
of
maps,
and
our
suggestion
is
that,
at
the
end
of
the
October
18
meeting,
each
member
of
City
Council
be
responsible
to
identify
one
map
that
they
believe
is
the
most
effective
map
going
forward.
Q
That
means
we
could
end
up
at
that
time
having
five
maps
that
have
been
selected
for
consideration
or
something
less
than
that.
If
multiple
members
of
City
Council
choose
the
same
map,
but
during
the
time
between
October
18
and
November
15,
we
need
to
have
a
small
number
of
maps
that
we
can
spend
a
great
amount
of
time
meeting
and
interacting
with
the
community.
And
we
can
only
do
that
if
we
have
a
process
on
October
18
to
get
down
to
that
that
final
finalist
list
of
maps.
M
O
M
O
You
so
that
means
that
we
really
need
comments
from
the
public
before
from
now
until
the
18th,
when
we
have
that
meeting
about
which
maps
are
your
preference,
so
I
would
really
like
that
from
the
public
we're
here
to
represent.
You
know
what
the
but
public
wants
from
us
in
maps
and
so
I
would
really
encourage
the
working
group
members
of
the
public
people
who
are
interested
to
send
us
your
top
three
or
top
five
maps
that
you
prefer
and
then
we'll
look
at
those
and
bring
those
forward.
Do
you
have
a
comment
question
one?
A
One
process
question:
if
we're
very
efficient
and
we
get
this
done
any
of
the
public
hearings.
I
know
we're
scheduled
to
vote
on
the
ordinance
on
the
second
meeting
in
December.
Is
any
I
mean?
Can
we
actually
finish
that
the
the
first
meeting
in
December,
if
we
get
all
the
work
done
or
do
we
have
to
go
to
the
second
meeting
in
December?
It's
just
just
wondering
for
a
person
I.
P
M
P
I
mean
I
guess
if
we
got
down
to
one
map
in
two
weeks,
if
we
all
agreed
on
the
map
in
two
weeks,
it
could
move
up
right
because
it
would
take
wheat.