City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Conservation Commission, 9 Feb 2022

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2.9.2022 Conservation Commission

A

I think he does the recording. You can see the things.

B

Abby lives on the other side of the robot okay, so she has to see the new garage and.

B

Where this new building's going to go yeah. Thank you. This is a pew processor.

C

Start the january 12th 2008 real estate 22., oh yeah, no.

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Start the february 9 2022 regular meeting of the conservation commission.

C

Welcome our first item on the agenda is the approval of the.

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Minutes um but before that I just wanted to welcome a new member mika court and.

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This will be your first conservation commission member in person, but um we also are short one.

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Member today, so as an alternate, you would be have feel okay to vote. If you want to. Thank you. Thank.

C

You, okay, so the first item: does anybody want to make a motion for the approval of the minutes.

C

Oh, I have a correction. Okay, we can do a. How does that go? Usually motion motion.

C

Corrections but okay, some motion to okay. I don't know what the motion was to approve it or to.

D

To go over the discussion of limits, okay, yeah, then we'll do the discussion afterwards.

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With a couple of corrections: okay, anybody want a second second by henry and discussion.

D

uh One that caught my eye is that um on page five uh suddenly mr gindel was questioned.

D

So I would hope that my dad didn't show up because he's dead so.

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So I would say uh just that's the only typo I found but and that's the kind of thing that.

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Would catch my very quickly and easily? I have one on page one um on the very last line of the.

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Last paragraph mr jankowski felt there were more things that he could accomplish not was.

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And then, on page three on the third full paragraph down, it says just a misspelling of aquifers.

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Okay, groundwater aquifers.

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And uh mr defossis responded that the site was at 60 to 70 feet of elevation from sea level.

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On page four, uh the very second line down the work will be on the bottom, where the sediment.

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Is deposited instead of, if you leave b out, it doesn't make sense um on page five um under.

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The stipulations the first one should utilize a wetland seed mix not utilized wetland seed mix.

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On page six.

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One two, the third paragraph, full power back down. It says they don't have to spend cash if.

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If have they and it should be reversed if they have and then take out, give a bond authorization.

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Okay, so they don't have to spend the cash if they have a bond authorization. Then, on page, seven.

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It says that the city has requested funding for a full-time stability.

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Sustainability coordinator- and it's not the city it, it was a committee.

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That had requested that to occur, um and it should be mayor mceckern, not counselor, mcecker.

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I can just give this to you peter, very great, okay, okay, I know that was all I had.

E

Thank you. Thank you. No I I I did, which is, I don't think you're listed as present counselor.

C

I was thinking- maybe you caught on that one. Oh yeah.

C

I was like, oh man, I figured that would be yours, but.

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And that and then um on page three first paragraph halfway down towards the end, the.

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Last, the sentence comes in in other areas will have concrete. It's just a.

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Just it should be other areas, we'll have a not another one. Okay, oh sorry, right here.

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And then um page six, I have one third second official paragraph that begins with mr britz.

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um This paragraph yeah, I got it. Oh it you got that one yep, so we're good any others.

A

No, no, okay, all those in favor. Sorry, anybody a pose! Oh and oh! I gotta do sorry. I gotta do a roll call.

C

Right technically, yes, sorry about that! No! No! No! It's not me to do it. I can okay, sure, okay, so.

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All those that favor miss kandel- yes, I, whatever yes macmillan, yes,.

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Mr jacobski miss court. Miss wright! Yes, collins! Sorry did. I call her right. That's! Okay! Yes,.

F

Thank you all right, so I got a few columns, so unanimous unanimous motion passes for the changes.

C

Next item on the agenda is the wetland conditional use permit new business, 1054 banfield road carolyn.

C

Durbit is the owner anybody here to speak to that? Okay, you can take the podium just.

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Introduce yourself and hi everybody. My name is mark white, I'm the gc for the.

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Project at 1054, bamfield road, the owners, jerry mcdermott, sit behind me.

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Mark I have your, I have your application here. If you want me to go to anything in it,.

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I'll bring it up on the screen, hopefully see it's not coming there. We go.

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Should be coming.

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Yeah I'll try to zoom in.

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Okay, and if you want to go to put it gonna, get anything else, just let me know, and I can try to get to it. Okay,.

G

So this is a picture of the area view of the existing conditions and it highlights the wetlands.

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And the wetlands buffer, um you want me to point to it or.

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There's a pointer there, just whatever you do, don't touch that screen over there. It's a touch.

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Screen it'll mess everything up, but there's a pointer there. I think it should be on the see it.

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Hold that top one and they'll turn again.

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All right, I didn't know it's going to be high tech here.

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So over here is the wetlands.

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Highlighted in yellow and.

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This is the wetlands buffer that, as you see, goes right through the breezeway of the house.

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And it's what we're asking to do is increase the size of the garage.

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And the breezeway, but in doing that, there's actually an asphalt, an existing asphalt.

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Beside the garage and our addition actually would just take up that space as far as the garage goes.

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And the breezeway for basically proposing to make it wider would be the same width as the house.

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Right now, it's like 10 foot, 4, wide or 10 sec.

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Yeah 10 foot 6 wide we're proposing to.

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Widen it to the existing size of the house, which is a 28 foot, six.

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Excuse me, I'm very nervous, that's important public speaking. I totally get like public.

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Speaking is my biggest fear, probably in life you're. Doing fine great thanks.

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So any questions from you guys not sure where to go from here.

G

Go ahead um normally, when we receive plans like this, we get.

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We gain an understanding of how the building is going to be constructed. What the construction is.

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Going to look like when it's done and things like that and I'm not talking about the house design.

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But what I'm talking about is, like you, you're proposing to um dig a french drain. Basically.

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And you say that it's going to be eight by eight by four feet: deep and lined with landscape fabric.

E

But what do you want to dry? Well, what are you doing with everything that you dug out of the hole.

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um It would probably be depending on what I don't know what the soil is right now, depending on the.

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Soil, if it's clay, I'm going to haul it out of there if it's, but if it's suitable drainage.

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Material then I'll just leave it there until I have actually a big.

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Low area behind the garage, so I could actually just leave it there and fill.

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That up that area up? Okay, so if it's good drainage soil, if not I'm gonna hold it off.

E

Okay- and um I assume that you received a copy of the um the note that peter put together regarding.

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The this is the staff memo. Did you get a copy of that? I don't have it okay. Well, we call it actually.

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Well, another thing I didn't get it, but I didn't I didn't send a term. I usually just put it on.

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The website okay, but I probably didn't even I don't know if I told you about it, I don't.

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Think I've read it. You know well the the other thing, because you're so close to a wetland and.

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You're, actually in the buffer and you're doing the stigging. What we need to have our erosion.

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Control measures in place, so um there are different material materials like the.

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Core logs, that would probably be a good one. You just lay it off um outside the bounds.

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Of where you're planning to disturb so that right, everything that you're digging actually.

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Assistance basically flow back into the wetland yep. We don't want to fill it up with sediment.

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Yeah there would be a silt fix installed there you go, and then you said in here that you were.

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Going to be doing some planting of blueberry bushes yeah, it's a little area up by the.

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Anfield road- that's mold right up near little brook. Can you point it out on the map because I.

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Was curious about that too, the high bush right- that would be right here. It's actually outside.

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Of sherry's property line, it's kind of like right here, but the previous owners have been mowing it.

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And my our proposal was to turn that back into a more natural state.

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The louvre bush is yeah. We appreciate that yeah not being mowed is really important right right.

C

Thank you. Are there other questions.

B

I'm concerned that your property is so close to the wetlands yeah and you know.

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It's good that you're building over something that's uh impervious right. That's that's!.

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That's a net improvement, I guess yeah, but uh uh many people applicants that come before us.

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We refer them to the the nofa organic lawn care standards. It's called a northeast.

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Organization, association of organic farmers yeah- I read a little bit about that yeah and, and they.

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Have a published standard, you can just look it up online and they have uh three sort of approaches.

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You just one that is approved by them, is what you want to use, so take a look at it and we would ask.

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That, as part of this application, that you follow organic lawn care practices uh or in that part of.

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The product yeah in the uh in the buffer zone, okay, yeah, which is fertilization and yes, exactly yes,.

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Or lack of fertilization? Yes, exactly.

C

Thank you, barbara. I have a question. Oh thank you.

C

um Okay, commissioner, vice commissioner collins yeah, when rainwater falls on your driveway.

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Which direction does it flow it it mostly the driveway pitches fairly, like probably four to five.

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Percent towards banfield road, so most of the water runs towards banfield road and then once it gets.

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There, it kind of branches off to the kind of where this little area I was talking about the grass.

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Area at the end of the driveway it kind of pitches towards that area there, okay, so coming down the.

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Driveway then pitches- I don't know what that would be east on greenfield road. Okay, thank you.

E

Yes, um so the other thing is that you saying you don't say anything about the deck.

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I believe, and I'm just wondering um when you're talking about bringing the breezeway out to the.

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The length of the house you're just getting rid of the death is that real, okay, correct? Thank you.

D

I don't really have a question, but- um and maybe this is what ted was getting too- I couldn't quite.

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Hear it all, um but um I noticed you've got a lot of lawn in your back in the backyard and I didn't.

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Know if you're interested in planting any of it out, but if you plant it in the buffer zone, sort.

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Of more of the high bush blue, not necessarily them, but just more plantings than you just um you know,.

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Just just a thought suggestion you know anyway, um just because then then you've just got better.

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Action going on for the laundry you know the whole backyard in general, but but you know maybe there's.

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A feeling don't want any planting, so there is a fairly good buffer zone once you get back that far.

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But if that's something you guys would want me to do it's just yeah in the fenced-in area, but you.

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Know maybe you've got a you know something and you don't want any uh whole lot of play yeah. We could.

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Easily do a strip next to the fence there and yeah yeah, okay yeah anyway. I think that would be fine.

C

I I had a question about um also about your dry. Well, that you're gonna do the eight by eight.

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By four feet: deep, so you don't know what the soil is like right now, you don't know if it we do not.

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She just bought it in the fall and we haven't done any perk tests or any digging or anything.

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So, okay, so sure, if you are digging that hole to take the runoff from the roof through the gutters.

C

um If there is a big storm and if it is like very clay like material that won't, there do.

C

You have an overflow a way for it to how does it um well there's a couple ways of doing it.

G

um If you design it so it can handle all the rain that comes off the roof. Then.

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You don't need to overflow, but I guess you never know with weather around here right.

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um So there could, you could put a overflow of research and you can put an overflow on the.

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Very top, if it fills up it comes up to the lawn level and disperses from there and from there.

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If that for a backup, we it's it's almost a little, you can't see it on this, but it's.

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Really a low spot right there, where I plan on putting the drywall, but as you go towards the.

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Fence I could actually put a swale, so even if the water did come out of the drywall, it could stay up.

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On on top of the lawn and not drain off, that's fine yeah, as long as the area is vegetated. Yes,.

C

um Well, it would be grass in this area. Okay right, it would be a swale up towards the fence.

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So it keeps the water in in the lawn instead of washing out to the wetlands buffer. I mean wetlands.

C

There is a swale, or did you say no, I would when, when we put the dry oil in, I would make a soil.

G

Will keep the water from running off rapidly right yeah? I don't know how that's not making sense yeah.

C

Yeah, no, I see what you're saying I don't know how the other community right around the fence.

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Here, instead of letting a once it overflows, the driveway overflow dry, well overflows and just.

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Runs off to the wetlands buffer or wetlands, I would have a swale a little higher area of.

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Soil to keep the water in above the drywall give it another chance to percolate off.

C

Yeah yeah, if, if you did that, we'd want to see that, on the plan.

C

um And I I don't know how the other commissioners well, that was, that was more of.

G

You asked that question so I think that would be a way to mitigate that yeah. I and I go ahead.

E

No, no, I I was just going to say that's one good reason to put extra plantings there too,.

E

Yeah yeah: that's why that's a good point yeah! I think that I mean this is personally. I think the.

C

Plantings and the other commissioners can chime in that plantings would be the best yeah and seeing.

C

Like a planting plan for that for the to give to the planning board, when you see them to show.

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Where you're going to plant things, and so we could do a line of plants right up against that fence.

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Suggesting right yeah, I think it gets complicated if you do a swale.

C

Just because you'll be filling in the buffer then and near the wetland to do that.

C

So but okay, other people might chime in on that too, um but the other question I had is.

C

Commissioner tanner had asked about what you were going to do with the dirt when you take it out of.

C

There- and you mentioned- maybe putting it behind the garage, no, whatever I dug out for the live well.

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um Drywall, if it was suitable drainage, soil, I would just leave it and raise raise up that.

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Whole area, but if it's like clay or impressible soil, I would haul it out of sight, pull it off.

C

So if you are going to keep it on site and it's going to be in the buffer area,.

C

um It would be good to have some sort of best management practices to reduce erosion.

C

Why it's there before it gets vegetated or if you're going to leave it? I assume you.

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Won't want it bare soil, so I don't know if you'd be covering it with stone or or grass.

C

Seed or yellow seed for sure yeah you could pull it out of the buffer.

C

Yeah, it would all be grassy so where I, where I dig out the dry, well, it's going to have a layer.

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Of loam soil, so this that whatever I dig out of that, could actually just fill in around that and.

G

We can see the whole area if it's suitable, most likely, I'm going to be hauling it off.

G

But until you actually dig it and figure out if it's well drained soiled and that might still just.

G

Leave it there because I think it'll be a benefit, but if it's clay I think it'd be beneficial to.

G

Haul it off, can I just yeah yeah just so. You know when you you're going to need to put a.

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Location for the drywall on your plan, yeah. When you give me the planting plan, you can bring that.

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To me before you, you know as soon as you can, so we can get it on the planning boards packet, yeah.

F

But um where can you point to where the drywall is going to go, where you're planning, to put it.

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Just make sure the commissioners are aware of that and are comfortable with it.

F

So right behind the addition, there's a little low area right there and that's where I'm.

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Thinking it would go so if the commission's okay, with that, I can have them, add it to the.

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Because we want to see that on the plan that gets approved, so you got that so no one comes.

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Out and says: well, there's no approval for this drywall so right. I think everybody's okay with.

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It as long as you put it on the plan, so, yes, you can add that to the plan with your plantings,.

F

Makes perfect sense, I can make sure the planning board has that and then your planning board.

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Process will go through with that. Yes, because you have to go, see them yep make sense. Thank you. Oh.

A

Do I have a uh for the frost wall.

G

I'm sorry, I don't understand you have to excavate this oil for the frost wall.

G

Sorry, I'm still not picking it up with that soil. What are we gonna do with that? Soil, yeah.

G

Well, um any excess soil that I don't need to backfill around the foundation will be hauled.

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Off most likely, I don't plan on filling anything on the on the property at all.

G

I don't think there's going to be any left over actually.

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Time to fill up the garage floor, I don't think there'll be it'll, be minimal.

G

It's not like digging a house foundation where you have all that excess soil.

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It's a garage mostly and even the breezeway is not going to have a full foundation. It's.

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Just going to have a frost wall, so you won't be taken out that much.

C

So the only place you'd be putting, it is around the foundation. Nowhere else within the.

C

Property around the foundation of whatever is left over, probably haul it out of there.

C

I don't, I think, that's going to be minimal if any.

C

Okay, any other questions comments. No people want to make a motion.

C

uh Commissioner, tanner I'll make a motion that we recommend approval to the planning board.

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With the following stipulations to add plantings along the fence to use erosion, control measures.

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And follow nofa standards regarding lawn care. You also need to remember to just provide.

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A planting plan and the uh actual location for the dry well on your plans, yep.

C

Did you mention erosion control? I did. That was the second one yeah. Thank you.

C

All right, thank you. Secondly,.

C

Jankowski seconds it any discussion.

F

No, you do a roll call, yeah you're going to do it when you're ready, yeah, and you could see.

C

Samantha right she raises sorry, did you have any questions? I don't think so. She shouldn't.

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Have her hand up? Okay, I'm good. Thank you all right. Thank you. Sorry, we do a roll call vote.

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Go ahead! Ms, uh yes, banner! Yes, macmillan! Yes, yes, yes, court, miss collins! Yes,.

C

Motion passes. Thank you very much. Thank you. So much do you. Do you want your little photo.

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Books to give you do you want to for, like the planning board or whatever sure, yeah good idea.

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Reduce the stuff.

C

The next item on the agenda is the state wetland bureau application major.

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Impact application 390 newcastle lab and 393 newcastle ave anybody here to speak to that.

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Yes, thank you good afternoon, I'm steve reicher from amba engineering.

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Here today, on behalf of 3 93, newcastle avenue llc is the property owner just want to clarify that.

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That is the name of the property owner. The project site is at 390 newcastle avenue. So there's a.

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Could be a little bit of confusion there on ownership and property location.

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I'm here today to present the project.

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Get some feedback ultimately des will be looking for a letter from this commission.

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Addressing comments that this commission may have for the des wetlands bureau evaluation.

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Of the application it has been submitted, it is currently under review.

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The proposal is to construct a title doc on this property. A couple of commissioners.

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Here may recall, I was here, I think, four or five years ago now for some redevelopment on this site.

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uh This is the site of what used to be the old toll house uh that historically collected.

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Tolls before you went across the bridge to newcastle, so this is that small little.

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Lot that you see there when you drive by, um we are proposing a a title, docking structure here.

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um Let me just if you want me to go to any other sections of your application.

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Just let me know I will yeah. I just want to pull my little plan set out, so I can.

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Explain the components of the dock.

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So sheet c1 is the existing conditions plan, which is really.

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For all intents and purposes, is the ds permit plan with the dock laid on its. uh It consists.

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Of a 4x30 fixed, pier, a 3 by 25 foot gangway and a 10 by 20 float, the float is located with what are.

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Called float piles, so two piles will be driven in the substrate that keeps the float in place.

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The gangway is fixed to the to the pier portion of the structure and on the bottom, where it.

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Extends out to the float it has a set of rollers on the bottom of the gangway. So as.

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The tide as the tide fluctuates up and down the gangway is on rollers, and it's.

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Allowed to look to roll on the float to accommodate that tide fluctuation.

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Moving to sheet d1, which is the detail sheet, shows the dock in profile view as well as plan view.

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In the profile view, we've placed it on title datum with mean low low water at elevation zero. You can.

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See we also have mean high water. We have highest observable tide line. We also have per des rules.

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The predicted sea level rise elevation in year, 2100, which would be 11.33.

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Ds wants us to include that so that we demonstrate that we're designing this structure to be above.

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The predicted sea level rise in the year 2100 the fixed, pier portion of the.

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Of the dock is, is a wooden wooden fixed, pier it's supported by wooden piles? There will be.

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Six of those those piles are installed with a vibratory hammer.

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Not a traditional impact hammer, so they use vibration to install the piles.

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The piles are installed, the other portions of the structure, including the fixed, pier and the.

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Gangway and the float are all prefabricated off-site they're located onto a onto a barge.

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So after the piles are driven, essentially there would be two two 15-foot sections of.

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The pier that are they're already prefabricated they're lowered onto the piles and the pile caps.

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And they're fastened in place same thing with the gangway the gangway's already prefabricated in a.

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Separate location and it's on the on the uh the barge and it's lowered into place by a crane and.

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Fastened so a dock of this length, not very long, not very big um construction on site, is.

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Probably three to four days, obviously tides are important. All work will be done at low tide.

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In this specific location, where this dock is going, there will be no water in this location. At.

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Low tide, the entire structure is located over mud flat. A couple other things I do want to.

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Mention there is some marsh elder on site marsh elder is an endangered species in new hampshire.

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We have survey located the locations of the marsh elder they're depicted on the plans you.

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Can see directly behind the one-story wood frame, there are a few areas of marsh elder there and.

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Then, actually, over near newcastle avenue off the property, there is another little clump of marsh.

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Elder that we've located as a result, I've had to coordinate with the new hampshire heritage.

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Bureau I have sent them plans, they have reviewed and they are fine with the project. The other thing.

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That I've had to coordinate is uh new hampshire, fish and game with impacts through sturgeon.

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Since all of the piles that will be driven to support this structure are located above.

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Mean low water, which basically means they will be driven when there is no water in that location.

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Fish and game has determined, there's no impacts of sturgeon and we have an email for that.

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Department of historical resources has okayed the project as well. The last item I'm awaiting from.

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Anybody outside of des is this commission and the local harbor master reviews these applications for.

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Any navigational impacts I've sent that to him. He typically does take some time to get back to me so.

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I'm not surprised that I haven't heard yet, but I'm sure I will soon.

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I think I've covered most on the plans that I wanted to. The application itself has a photo log.

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Lots of maps eelgrass map shell fish maps. um I did also want to mention that when I.

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Was here a few years ago for work in the uplands, there was a buffer landscape area.

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That was part of that approval process. As you can see, the access way portion of this fixed.

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Pier is going to land in that landscaping area, so we're going to basically move that and replace it.

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Just that section, that's being impacted which.

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Is really like, probably 15 square feet? uh There's some nice well-developed shrubs that the owner.

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Had put in they're pretty healthy and they're nice and I suggested that he just relocate them.

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To a different area and we're showing that, on the plan, um I think that's all I have and.

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I'm sure you'll have questions. These are pretty technical, heavy type set of plans.

C

Thank you and commissioner questions.

C

Commissioner tanner, so this is a really small piece of property. Where is that float going to.

E

Be stored in the winter yeah great question, so um what I don't know for sure I'm just I can give you.

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uh I can give you um what I think will happen: um they tow them off site and they store them.

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So there's a local marine uh entity, uh pepperell cove marine, that's what they do.

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They are running out of space, though I can tell you that so it's a it's a battle to make the phone.

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Call early and get in their queue, so they show up on site and they they basically detach the float.

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And they tow it off site, most people then take the gangway and they store it. On the pier itself,.

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Given there's not a lot of room to store it on site, it's probably where it's headed.

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There's like no room yep.

C

Thank you other questions.

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I guess I do want to add to sort of add on to allison's question.

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For the commissioners that don't know it's, it is a seasonal structure. So what that means is.

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In the non-boating season, the gangway and the float are removed, they're not in the water.

C

um I had a question if you could speak a little bit to the marsh elder, what they asked you to.

C

Do or what kind of um response you got it's a good question I mean nhb only seems to be.

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Concerned I've worked on other projects where martial has been present as long as you're, not.

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Placing the pier directly over the top of it, or very close to it, where there might be some shading.

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There's typically, no concerns.

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Or if you're directly, impacting it okay and then also you had sent sort of information about the.

C

Pier the pilings being what they're made of, I guess, the safety data sheet- yeah, yes, yep! That's.

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Required part of the ds rules now yeah, so is there? Are there alternatives to that? Because I I mean I.

C

Did go online to see if there were alternatives, it does seems like there is, but I mean. Is there there.

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Are but the wood is safe? That's what the safety data sheet demonstrates. Yeah, the alternatives are.

I

Fiberglass, the fiberglass pile is driven, but then it's filled with concrete and rebar. So then.

I

You have metal and concrete in the water too. The fiberglass piles are extremely expensive, but they.

I

Last much longer so that is the other alternative that I'm aware of that's used in new england.

C

And um I I guess I'm just thinking of the marsh elder, but I guess um and my other question is.

C

The size of the concrete blocks did you have that in there you probably did.

I

um There's no there's no mooring blocks used in this in this construction.

I

Yeah, this float will be located with with piles. So the two piles, if you look at sheet c2 the piles.

I

Are driven, it's basically called what's called a u-bar or a u-hoop, it's a galvanized hoop. It goes.

I

Around the pile itself and attaches to the float, float can't go anywhere, and then there were the.

A

Piles under the float as well right, yeah great point- I forgot to mention that yes,.

I

Yeah so uh there's.

I

And and the federal uh us army corps of engineers requires what are called float stops so.

I

They drive piles underneath the location of the float uh they're cut at uh a height of 24 inches.

I

Because that's the minimum, the float needs to stay off the mud at low tide. So what that basically.

I

Provides is a platform, float comes down with the tide and the tide recedes and the water leaves you.

I

Basically, have four piles that stick out of the substrate and the float rests on that. Instead of.

I

The entire float resting on the mud at low tide and, obviously the impacts associated with that.

D

Barber was your concern about the wood pilings that.

D

They're treated with something that would be was or yeah. I just wanted to know if.

C

They thought of alternatives, or if there are alternatives, because I was wondering about.

D

The treatment of it because those things can be pretty toxic but obviously they're being used.

D

But yeah yep, the treatment is not soluble in water and it's in the safety data sheet.

C

Thank you any other questions from anybody else.

D

No, I I just had a general comment, though, when I'm reading through this and and you get the state.

D

um Assessment of things and it's it, what strikes me kind of, I don't know it's, it seems.

D

Very micro uh micro viewed is that they're looking at just the construction process, and I mean I was.

D

Looking at the map- and there are docs all over- but it's like they don't talk about boat traffic.

D

Ever it seems that's the harbor masters issue, okay and they're, the ones that look at that, but.

D

I mean in terms of environmental com impact, do do the harbor master, look at boat traffic.

D

Environmentally or just like, you know just like how it's going to impede traffic.

E

Right: okay, so that that I don't get you know, boats are running into each other, that's on them!.

D

I I sort of you know the the environmental impact never goes beyond construction of things and I'm.

D

Just speaking generally, uh you know just all of these the things I've been going through.

D

They don't seem to sort of um uh when you're, when you've got this you're inviting human.

D

Interaction and they don't seem to talk about that, but anyway, that's not really just it'd, be.

D

Nice to you know if, if the state would sort of address that more in their um or whoever else.

D

Us for that matter um addressed that those issues um and you know extended impact. I guess anyway,.

D

That's it no good point, one of the discussions we've had in the past uh abby when new docs have.

B

Gone in uh with that, you know we, we feel terrible, that everybody has to have their own dog. You know.

B

Why could you just have a dog and have you know five families share it or something like that.

B

But there's really the way state law works right now, uh there's really not.

B

There was no easy methodology to accomplish that. Yeah yeah yeah on a related note, with the wood.

H

And how it's treated over time, how do they care for this wood? Does it require re-application.

H

Would it be off-site? How is that? No there's? No uh there's no reapplication. Certainly the.

I

Treatment may obviously not be of as effective 20 30 years and then the pile itself starts to.

I

Wear and get smaller and smaller and smaller and then then at some point they need to be replaced.

I

They seem to last here in new england.

I

For permits that I've submitted for pile replacement, 30 35 years max on the piles.

I

Seems to be the age of the structures that I'm doing a lot of replacements on just to give you.

I

An idea- and I think, some of that's location, dependent a lot of them, get beat up by ice.

H

Because it sounds like they're safe that the real danger is from actually the treatment.

H

Itself, so if it has to be done, it would be done off correct yeah. So the marine contractor.

I

um That uh that will be installing this dock, they buy them pre-treated, they arrive on a truck.

I

They buy them by the hundreds, they're already pre-treated. uh The treatment needs to be applied.

I

You know on land, not in your water and then once it dries. It's not water-soluble anymore.

I

um If you really dive into the data sheet, you know basically, it says the only harm is if.

I

You're, cutting it and you're breathing in the sawdust.

C

Good questions.

C

Samantha yeah: okay, no questions all right have a motion. It's over time.

C

Commissioner, tanner I'll make a motion that we recommend approval to the state wetlands.

E

Board with two stipulations, one is that the float is stored off-site.

E

And the second is that those plants that are dug up are relocated somewhere on the property.

A

C

Great anybody want to second that thank you I'll suck in it. Okay, okay,.

C

Thank you second, in discussion.

A

As I was upset, the marshalls are not very close to my office, so I don't really have a concern.

C

I just was gonna say I mean I'm gonna vote in favor of it, but um it's such a shame because.

C

That's such a tiny, tiny lot there- and I remember I mean it- was just this little tiny building and.

C

It's just sort of now getting a little out of control with a dock and everything, um but.

C

It's uh it follows the rules, so uh it's too bad because it's just another dock. Is it a seasonal.

D

You said it was just used seasonally. Is it a summer rental? It's the only way it the the.

I

The structure on the lot, the structure because I drove by items like oh that's, really small yeah,.

I

It's quite small yeah I mean even the building. So it's curious. Yes, it's there yeah actually.

D

um A couple kayaks outside on them correct, I think it's gonna be more for kayak use, yeah.

I

Personally, it's uh not going to have a lot of tight access, just based on location and.

I

And water depth there so probably likely kayak use. I did want to point out that this particular site.

I

Utilized porous asphalt, so it's down so when you drive by there take a look at it. Oh good.

I

Seems to be functioning pretty well. Every time I drive by, I look at it. It's interesting to me.

I

Especially in the winter now you can see sort of how the yeah that's. You know how ice might build.

D

Up on it or not yeah, it seems, I think, it's quite clean and everything yeah. I think it's a little.

I

Bit of a plowing nightmare for the owner, you know, but also with newcastle avenue like and that's.

I

In that configuration you know, I'm sure it gets a lot of a lot of plowed snow from the road, so yeah.

I

He's certainly busy trying to clear that, but just something to keep in mind when you drive.

I

By there it's kind of cool- and I just wanted to add it- doesn't have to be a condition, but just.

C

To check your application to see where it says that there are concrete blocks, please good point.

I

I think I know where that might be I'll. Take a look. It was in the narrative right.

I

uh Yeah take a yeah here. Thank you, any other discussion. Is there a roll call.

F

Ready for a roll call, uh yes is tanner. Yes, that's mcdonald's! Yes, mr mellenchuck.

H

Yes, unanimous unanimous, thank you very much.

C

Okay, next item on the agenda is a work session with 20 30 230 commerce well way.

C

Somebody's here to speak for that, if you want to.

C

Feel free to take the podium and introduce yourself when you're, ready.

J

Yeah hi good afternoon, my name is neil hansen uh project manager with tyne bond.

J

uh Brennan walden from go environmental is also here and we'll be speaking to this project.

J

So the proposed project we're looking at doing, is a two-story office building at a 230 commerce way.

J

Two sheets, thank you. So this is the existing condition of the currently there's a three-story office building.

J

Towards the front of the site and then a large surface parking lot in the rear of the site,.

J

And then there's a wetland that is uh between the rear parking area in portsmouth boulevard.

J

Which will be having uh impacts to the 100 foot buffer as part of this project.

J

So, as you can see on this, the the 100 foot buffer extends into that existing parking area.

J

There's approximately three thousand square feet of pavement.

J

uh Currently in that buffer and then part of this project will will include pulling a.

J

Large portion of that pavement out of the buffer, so you got the next sheet. Please.

J

So this is the preliminary site plan. um As I mentioned, this is a two-story proposed office.

J

Building the first floor would be a veterinary clinic use and then the second floor would just.

J

Be general office space along with that, would be some reconfiguration of the existing parking area.

J

And, as I mentioned previously, we'll be pulling a large chunk of the existing.

J

Pavement out of the buffer, along with some buffer restoration work along the edges of the pavement.

J

We also be adding a new driveway to the site directly off of ports of boulevard.

J

And then, along with this, we'll we'll be having obviously utilities sewer water, gas um and adding.

J

uh Storm water treatment system to this uh rear area of the site. um What we'll be doing exactly.

J

For stormwater treatment is kind of still up in the air, because we're still too early on the.

J

Process to have made any determinations on that um one of our main constraints, though, as far as that.

J

Goes is we did some geotechnical assessments out on the site? I believe it was last week.

J

And did find that the bedrock out there is extremely shallow, so that will be.

J

A bit of a limiting factor as far as what we can can and cannot do for for storm water. So that's a.

J

Quick overview of the the at least the preliminary plan and um I'll, let brennan come up here and.

J

Speak a little bit to the wetlands and the buffers that are on the site.

K

So I'm sure you guys are all familiar with the 230 commerce uh on the top piece of that we just.

K

Recently went through some work there with you guys um most of the existing site. Now all that.

K

Storm water is draining untreated and going to the bottom of the pit.

K

Northwestern side, wetland that wetland primarily is is invasive species right now, it's all.

K

Phragmites and not super high value, there is a stream that runs on the southern side, down.

K

To the northwest and that drains into that one wetland can is that, did you use the pointer, yeah.

D

Yeah, and can you get a little closer to the mic yeah? Is it just you that can't hear them.

D

So where's the stream, so this is a this portion right here is a stream.

K

This one that flows down behind the market basket that takes all this wetland, drainage.

K

And brings it down and eventually flows. It has some contribution from this. That outlets.

K

Further down off-site um right now, there is elevated berms along these portions of the site.

K

That assist in directing most of the drainage down into this wetland here.

K

Primarily by redeveloping this site, there's going to be no.

K

Changes to the functioning values of the wetlands as a whole, the only benefit that.

K

They'll be receiving is additional stormwater treatment from any any design that they provide.

K

There's not really a whole lot more on the wetlands.

K

Yes, well, it looks like the roadway is going to go right through an area. That's treed right now,.

K

I don't know yeah, so the.

J

Who you're talking about right through here yeah? So we are proposing to to put a new driveway out.

J

To portsmouth boulevard um that that tree line, that's shown on this plan is not.

J

It's not exact. We are working on getting updated survey at the moment.

J

um So the exact location of that tree line will be will be actually surveyed.

J

But that the tree line shown there is just approximate at this point, because I think.

J

Yeah, so you know, as we get further into this design and get the.

J

The actual survey that that limit will be more clearly defined where that tree line.

J

Actually is well, is there? Is there a reason that you can't use the commerce way entrance already.

E

Without having to build a new road, uh they're they're, looking to separate sort of separate out.

J

This this building give its own dedicated access point and separate it from the existing office use.

J

That's at the front of the site, so their address is commerce. Ave, commerce way this. This building.

J

Will be addressed, portsmouth boulevard it what it will have a portsmouth boulevard address, okay, so.

D

Were you done, I'm sorry? No, it wasn't don't go ahead. Then sorry yeah, uh you, you were saying.

E

We're going to get a lot of area out of the buffer a lot of impervious surface out of the buffer.

E

I would like the numbers of how much you're taking out of the buffer and how much you're.

E

Adding to the buffer or actually not adding to the buffer, but adding is impervious service.

E

Because the parking lot has grown and you have that driveway yeah, so the driveway is not in.

J

The buffer, um no, I know that, but what I'm saying is it's still impervious surface? Yes,.

E

Yes, so you're adding impervious surface, so I want to know how much impervious surface you're, adding.

E

And how much you're taking yeah and that will all be included in the formal side of the application.

J

You know that's that's information that gets input into that as far as impervious existing pervious.

J

Proposed percentage, it's all part of that formal application process that we'll have to go through.

C

Can you point out, oh, go ahead, I'm sorry, are you? Are you done yeah? Okay, you go um so I drove out.

D

And looked at this and I was like: why are they putting in another driveway? So is there a reason.

D

Other than change of address that you are not using because all of those all of the parking.

D

Spaces align, so you have an avenue clear from when you drive in on on commerce. Why you drive.

D

Right through and you can go right to the back of the where that new building is going to be and.

D

Right now, there are trees in that area where the driveway is, and what you're going to do is end up.

D

Turning putting a turning lane and so that row of trees that divides the two lanes on uh what is it.

D

Yeah, that's gonna have to get taken out and there's residential on the other, and it's like.

D

We finally we we spent a lot of money, I'm guessing putting in those trees and now you're, asking to.

D

Take a whole lot out to put in a turning lane when you literally take one more minute to go up.

D

Take a left and then a quick left and then you just drive through the driveway. And I don't.

D

Understand for the life of me, why you need another driveway and I'm sorry, but I just got really angry.

D

When I saw this plan and that or saw this in person after seeing the plan so anyway, sorry but.

D

Can you explain because it makes no sense to me there are trees all over and you're and and you're.

D

More porous uh space so yeah I mean it's, it's just what the applicant's looking to do and all this.

J

Will get reviewed through through tac planning boards? I review process it's going to come back.

J

To you, folks for the formal conditional use permanent application. So um at this point we're.

J

Just kind of collecting feedback and um bringing it back to the project team and going from there.

D

So is there a reason why you're adding a I mean I don't you haven't given me a.

D

Good reason is there? Okay? That's it's not a question. I can. I can get an answer today.

C

Vice chair, um yes, so 210 commerce way in 230 commerce way are owned by the same uh cane.

H

Company is that correct? I I'm not exactly sure of the actual entity that owns each individual lot.

H

Okay, I know they're each individual llc's like 210 llc and 230 llc, but I'm pretty sure the.

H

Mailing address is the same: I'm pretty sure that they're, both the king company um correct, I just.

J

Don't know the exact entity that owns each, but yes they are yeah. So I I guess my my comment or.

H

My suggestion is, if there's any way to um remove, you, know more pavement out of the buffer on the.

H

Other property, I forget, which one now we're on to 210, is the one on the bottom of this page.

J

Two thirds one two ten, because there is a a fair amount of parking. That's in that buffer. There.

H

um If there's any way for the two to work together to, you know help out the buffer, um it's just a.

H

Suggestion I would make and I think it would go a long way. Thank you. Thank you. Other comments.

C

Questions, commissioner, yeah I'll just I'll, really uh emphasize that as well. I I agree that.

B

I I don't, I didn't see a need for another driveway out there when I went out and looked around as.

B

Well, so you know, if there's ways that you can reduce some of the parking that would be good.

C

Other questions.

B

Yes, yes, yes, so I uh brennan alluded to this and I think I glossed over it probably a.

J

Little too quickly, um so the existing parking lot does not have curbing yeah.

J

Everything from the site all sheet flows. I don't know exactly where the high point.

J

Is but it most of the rear part of the site sheet flows from kind of the middle of the page.

J

Might as well use this pointer from somewhere in this, and it all sheet flows back and off.

J

Into this wetland, so yes, part of this, we will be adding curbing to the basically from where all the.

J

Dark gray, hatching is all this will be curved, so we can collect it and then treat it before.

J

Discharging it so, you know I'd I'd, say about half of this impervious that's on the site. Now, that's.

J

Untreated will be will be treated as part of this before being discharged, so yeah. I think what the.

A

Father is no person in that spring fns, you know so uh it was. They have somehow hurt that yeah yeah.

J

For sure and yeah this, this would be a significant improvement over what's there now, which is nothing.

D

Oh, I did want to say, in contrast to my anger, about the driveway thing.

D

um I was glad to see that the um that you're planning to remove asphalt from that the plan.

D

Includes removing the asphalt a lot quite a bit of the parking lot out of the buffer zone, so yeah.

J

I appreciated that when I saw it on paper and but anyway, our pr the preliminary numbers I have, which.

J

Again are subject to us getting the revised survey, there's there's about 3 000 in there now, and this.

J

This layout, that's shown here, has 750 square feet. So it's it's about a 2, 300 square foot reduction.

J

In pavement within the buffer, and then we have about 5 500 square feet of area, we're showing here.

J

That we're going to do some some restoration, so some sort of conservation, seed mix, data, plantings.

J

That sort of thing that would be part of the cep application. Thank you. Vice chair collins,.

H

Yeah, you show, on your plan a proposed stormwater treatment unit that then pipes to an outfall.

H

That is looks like it's right at the edge of the wetlands. I don't know if it needs to go that far.

H

Just something to look at if the outfall was, um if that pipe didn't go as far in the outfall. You know.

H

Was somewhere more in the buffer as opposed to right on the edge of the wetlands? I I don't know.

H

If that's um appropriate, but just something to look at yeah yeah, that's something for sure. We'll.

J

Look at and when we get into detailed design and and obviously doing whatever we can to to minimize.

J

You know the length of the run we have to put in the buffer to actually outlet it.

C

Do you have a schedule for when you guys think you might be doing this, um um so I believe we.

J

Were getting the survey was done this week um so we'd, probably our formal submission.

J

Six weeks from now, maybe I mean yeah, it's rough guess, but okay, so is it probably april? Maybe.

A

And that'd be that'd, be for free attack and then we'll be back in front of you formally for.

J

The cp, okay- and it seems like most of the commissioners, went out there.

C

But I don't know if we'd be able to do a site visit um a formal one or I.

J

Yeah I'd leave that up to you guys it's yeah, I don't see why we couldn't. I can schedule.

F

Something, if you want you guys want to yeah. Do that together. Sure, okay, yeah.

A

Yeah yeah, no, I was just going to say I really feel like that roadway has to go. I know it's.

E

Not in the buffer, but it's at an impervious surface and you're, taking down all those trees.

E

And so the thing is that um you've got to compensate you've got to do something.

E

With all those trees being removed, I see absolutely no landscaping here and putting.

E

Down a conservation seed mix in the buffer, that's been disturbed, is you know just not adequate.

E

My way of thinking, yeah and and we do intend to there will be a landscape plan as part of.

J

The formal submission uh again where this is just is all preliminary, so yep.

C

I I just want to clarify too the use of the building you're saying the down the.

C

Bottom floor first floor will be a vet. uh We need to get a special exception for that, but that is.

J

That's the plan and then the second floor would be general office space. So just to note that.

C

Do they to confirm that they don't need any outside space at all, for the vet clinic for the.

C

I mean that would get worked out with with them as we go through detail design. If they did, we would.

J

Have to find a spot for it on the site and provide whatever their requirements and whatever you know,.

J

Requirements may come out of any additional site site process, cp processes, as far as that goes.

J

I know we did get a request at tack work session yesterday about putting a fence up.

J

In that, along the rear of the building kind of between the rear of this building and market.

J

Basket to kind of assist with keeping animals and pets out of the wetland and any sort of.

J

Trash or debris that might be blowing in the parking lot and yeah, because that area.

C

Is always a mess yeah yeah, and so that was a request we got yesterday from from tac.

E

Yes, there's usually a crematory associated with veterinary clinics as well, and so I'm not sure.

E

How that's handled I understand that that must be part of the special exception, a lot of times.

C

They'll, take them off site from so just to confirm that yeah I would. I would imagine that would come.

J

Up during the special exception, I've I've I've not heard of them wanting to do that on this site.

J

But I'm sure that would be a question that would be raised when they they go for a special.

J

Exception that would be good, yes, and another consideration is snow removal. I mean it's going to.

J

Have to be off-site because you can't dump it into the wetland, so it needs to go somewhere else. Yep.

H

Yes, I have a question regarding uh best practices for asphalt, impervious surfaces near wetlands and.

H

Whether there's been any kind of investigation of alternative ways, I appreciate the treatment of the.

H

Storm water, however, from my limited experience with parking lots near wetlands, there are some.

H

Options that are sometimes more expensive but much better for the wetlands, and I don't know if this.

H

Body has recommendations for that, but that would be something that I think is worth considering.

C

Do you want to speak to the conditions of the site for that.

J

um Well, I don't, I don't know specifically alternatives, you'd be referring to. I mean.

J

There would be some sort of maintenance plan involved with this, so pavement sweeping.

J

As far as the asphalt is is kind of the big one, which would typically be a bi-annual.

J

Spring fall situation to get to get any sediment, build up off the surface, to keep.

J

It from even getting into the treatment system um the curbing that we discussed earlier we're.

J

Installing is going to keep all the surface runoff from actually being able to make it.

J

To the wetland before it gets into a treatment system um and there'd be a maintenance plan.

J

Involved with with the treatment system and like the collection system as well.

J

So you know combination of all those things. You know. That's that's kind of.

J

The standard standard design for for parking lots at this point- I I don't really know of any other.

J

Alternatives- and I found that there's more so- and this is you know there.

H

Can be more porous options that allow the water table to fill up rather than running down, though.

H

If it's a very toxic site that can be a problem, yeah yeah so like a porous, wouldn't be, wouldn't.

J

Be allowed on a site that had any sort of contamination which I don't believe this site.

J

Does the the issue we run into with with that on this site is how shallow the ledge is.

J

um And you know if the water went through the pavement, it's just gonna hit the ledge.

J

And just follow the ledge right out and you're not getting any treatment out of it.

A

F

I can speak to the comment too. um Our ordinance they're not doing a lot of new.

F

Payment in the buffer, if it was new pavement in the buffer, our ordinance does require that they.

F

Provide porous pavement where there's new equipment in the buffer, unless they can.

F

Demonstrate that they can't like the water table is too high or something like that, so.

F

Anywhere, there's new pavement in the buffer. We require that they either.

F

Provide it or demonstrate why they can't so just so you're aware of that, it's not necessarily a.

F

Big issue on this site because it's all out of the buffer, almost all out of the buffer, but on.

F

A site where it is in the buffer that would be a requirement. Would the new driveway be.

F

The new driveway's out of the buffer as well, so it wouldn't be a requirement. I mean.

F

You can ask them to look at it, but um the requirement is for when it's in the buffer.

C

Yeah any other comments or questions so we'll come away with a site visit and do you need kind of a.

C

Summary of all these comments, I've been taking notes and uh I think I got most of it covered.

J

And then, if we have a site walk schedule, we'll obviously have more more discussion. Then, okay.

C

That sounds great. So as far as the site walk, I know, maybe this isn't the best month. Do you you.

F

Said six weeks you might be resubmitting I I mean that's just a guess that if the surveyors were out.

J

There today, it's probably a couple weeks until we actually get the survey in hand and then probably.

J

Another couple weeks before and I mean we can do it at any point. I think you know the next few days.

J

We're going to be getting quite a bit of melting. Does mid-march sound like a time to shoot for, for.

F

You guys maybe it'll be better, then weather-wise. You think I don't know. I like the exactly.

F

What do you think? What do you think I will.

F

We'll try to schedule it as soon as we can then. Is that what you want me to do.

C

Yeah, unless there's another storm in the prediction, I guess what are you going to be 49 out.

B

Tomorrow, yeah 50 and yeah 50 on saturday saturday, all right, we'll shoot for us we'll we'll get a.

F

Doodle pull out and see how soon we can do it, we won't hold. We won't wait. How about that might not.

F

Be right away, but at least we'll keep it moving. Okay! Great! Thank you. Thank you. Good comments.

C

Next item on the agenda is other business and I added a couple of.

C

Things just because I had mentioned at our last meeting that on under business, we try.

C

To keep the conservation lands update on the agenda just to keep us reminded of it.

C

um So I'm wondering I'll put you on the spot first peter. If you want to.

F

um So I've briefly emailed back and forth with jess, I haven't gotten anywhere with that. Yet.

F

But we're gonna talk about areas you and I talked about looking at the het property and you I think.

F

Can talk about that? um I may have something to report. I can't say right now um on the one that.

F

Alice and I want to look at the chase home, um but right now I don't have anything to say on it: okay,.

C

Thank you. A little bit of movement, yeah a little bit of movement, and then ted did.

C

You have anything on yours. I've been in a pretty constant touch with salt about what they're doing.

B

With the land trust- and I think we just spoke last week again too- and you know they made.

B

The offer out to the owner and they're kind of waiting for the owners to come back right. Okay,.

C

And then they only sorry is that it yeah. Thank you and then um mine was a corner of uh was like.

C

Map number five: I think the corner of banfield and beverly hill road and um it's like 8.8 acres,.

C

uh It is part of the hep property, so I just researched the owner trying to draft a letter.

C

That your suggestion may be a letter rather than a call, so they have time to kind of think about it.

C

Before sending it out, um so I'm working on that- and I will run that by you- I don't if.

C

Anybody else has any input for ideas on letters or anything like that. I'm kind of just drafting it.

C

Now now I I have a question about. um You know this property that ted's talking about.

B

If the land trust is involved with that, do we even want to do anything with it? I mean right.

F

They might need financial assistance, yeah they'll, probably look for some funding.

F

um Did you have isaac dust in this map to uh you haven't seen this before no yeah? That's what we.

B

Were talking about for properties to try to conserve and we've been working on it over.

B

The last six or seven months and we've actually gone out and visited some of these properties.

B

And you know some people taking responsibility to knock on the door of the owner and approach.

B

Them about any possibility, so these are the ones we kind of identified in a broad, big sense. Okay,.

B

Yeah no problem, so there are a few there's, the banfield uh road, one that you just mentioned.

H

There's also a view around it: yeah I'll give you the list and we're in the map and a little.

F

Background, okay, yeah and we're trying to schedule some uh training with for new members, we're a.

F

Little behind with the new planning director, but we'll get something set up. Thank you. Yeah.

F

I know it's hard when you haven't had the orientation or anything, but that's really great.

C

But can you just rehash the one that you're working on a little bit.

C

I what's that he's not supposed to talk about it.

A

All right and then um anything else on that conservation lands any other business.

C

No, um I did have one other thing um that I had, which was on legislation. There's a group that.

C

Gets together um every couple of months, uh it's a kind of a work group that is for different.

C

uh Conservation commissions in the coastal area, so hampton rye seabrook uh portsmouth.

C

I think uh portsmouth durham, there's a couple of them that do it.

C

Northampton uh and there was an update from a conservation association, new hampshire.

C

Conservation association from barbara richter on legislation- that's going on a lot of it's.

C

Kind of gotten far along at this point, but there was one in particular, which was hb 307.

C

That has been passed by the whole, both the house and the senate.

C

So at this point she was asking people to write letters to the governor.

C

And I can send out the information in the link to all the bills, but this is- and this is the.

C

First one on the list, but this would prevent any municipality from regulating the sale or use of.

C

Discharge of firearms for any reason on town own land it and it has passed the house in the senate.

C

She has like a template for a letter that we can use if we want to.

C

Send one together, but also as individuals on any of this legislation. You can write letters or go in.

C

And you can go onto the website and comment there too. You just have to make sure that.

C

You say that you're doing it as an individual and not as a you know, you can say you're on the.

C

Conservation commission, but it's not you're, not representing the conservation commission. So if you.

E

Do that individually, the city of portsmouth has a regulation. I thought that you couldn't discharge.

E

A firearm within 500 feet of a residence or something isn't it yeah. So this so I don't know, do.

C

You know, if you think about that, I think there's regulations about what you could you can't hunt.

F

With a rifle on city, owned on on city-owned land and yeah, there are regulations on setbacks. I don't.

A

Know who they have have some signs up? I don't know if they reference the rsa or anything like.

F

I'd have to look that one up, but I think it doesn't prohibit hunting on city property. That's.

F

For sure, but it does have some restrictions on what you can hunt with.

F

And it probably has set practices, I thought those were state setback distances, yeah, yeah yeah, those.

D

Eight, those 107 three and seven hp, 307, three, seven, three: okay, that's what I missed: okay, yeah and.

C

There were quite a few other ones that she had too, but um I can just I'll send them out to everybody.

C

um Okay yeah, but there were she had like seven or eight that were really kind of you know ones on.

C

Shoreline protection one's actually on local regulations well, on.

C

Regulations for um municipal boards to hold virtual meetings.

C

Without the executive order from the governor, which I thought was sort of interesting.

C

To try to do that, because we obviously can't do that at this point because of the he has not made.

C

An order that we can executive order that we can so um some that have to do with prime wetlands.

C

Making them include more um connecting streams and rivers in the prime wetlands evaluation.

C

Something to do with cyanobacteria blooms, doing more research on that, so those are.

C

All kind of relevant to us, so it's good! If we have an opportunity to comment if we want to do.

C

Something together as a conservation commission to send in one letter we have to vote on it so.

C

I can check on that too, if anybody's interested in more information, but I can send those out.

C

To everybody, do you know how quickly this these this bill is moving through the process? Is it on.

C

The governor so that one's going quickly, so what I'll do is I'll send out the information. I think.

C

uh People might individually want to comment on that pretty quick, because it's got to go to the.

C

Governor at this point and ask him to veto it, so it's a good question. You know, I I think it's.

E

It's interesting because this uh state prides itself on the government, not interfering and yet.

E

Local control is lost if you get these things from the state that.

E

You know, tie your hands, even though you don't want to have you know, firearms and carried on.

E

City-Owned land- I don't know yeah, that's ironic,.

A

Yeah yeah totally um sort of along that irony line, um but the whole definition like the cup.

D

Requirements that was in one of the memos and I've and I've gone through them on other things,.

D

By item by item, but our own boards don't seem to know the definition.

D

Of a buffer zone, in terms of like I was at one hearing and.

D

um One of the council, members, city council and one of the council members.

D

Was telling said publicly that it didn't impact? It wasn't a problem for human interaction to be in a.

D

Buffer zone and I'm like that's pretty much, the whole point of the buffer zone is to keep human.

D

Activity out of it um granted, you know there are things where they've already got the human.

D

Activity and that's what the boards were, you know kind of thrown around. I think it's to balance.

F

Those uses right, I mean it's it's about, but it was like. Oh recreation was fine. You know this.

D

And that and and the whole green, the whole green. The the greenway is based on the fact that.

D

It is fine to have human activity inside a buffer zone, but that pretty much negates the.

D

Whole point of the buffer zone, at least to the definition. I've always known it as so, it would be.

D

Nice, if the city- and I don't know if the concert conservation commission is you know, if we're the.

D

Ones who who start this, but it seems everybody seems to pick and choose what they want out of.

D

Out of the definition of a buffer there's a whole, you know those six items of requirements to meet.

D

The cup, and yet nobody is talking about the buffer zone in the same way, and I I get frustrated with.

D

That time and time again and the the the boards, the board members change from one to the other.

D

And everybody's sort of picking- and even you know with the um the city when they're suing.

D

The toyota ownership guy they're, bringing in all this stuff about um pretty much the way I think of.

D

It as a buffer zone is that you're not supposed to have human activity in it and then yet the.

D

Planning board approves 105 bartlett, and I can tell you that the planning new planning director.

F

Is very interested in providing training on what the conditional use permit is intended for and.

F

What is in there, and the definitions are in the ordinance, certainly very clearly and.

F

And how to how things can happen so that'll be coming in terms of training on the and I think the.

F

Planning board and the concert education probably will do that together. So you get that opportunity.

F

For cross-border discussion and that kind of thing, so um I can at least tell you that that is ongoing.

F

But this might not be the place to talk about it right now. Okay, thank you, yeah. That would be great.

C

I think that's needed there's so many new people too yeah exactly and she's new and even some of.

D

The old people have, you know: they've got an older vision of what something might be and not sort of.

D

Up to date, on environmental yeah and like a lot of people talk about in terms of storm water, runoff,.

D

It's like that's not the only reason for a buffer zone and- and you know like we're talking about.

D

Plantings right, yeah and other people, don't even they don't even think about the veggie vegetation.

D

Aspect and things like that anyway, okay- well was this- was this out of order for me to bring it up.

D

Here, uh no, it's good! Okay! No! I don't think it's better. I just since I haven't had my orientation.

D

I don't know training is on the horizon. I hope so. I think that's an excellent idea to do that. Yes,.

B

Okay, one more issue: I've been exchanging emails with brian getz um and we haven't.

B

Scheduled a meeting yet but should is, should I just let people know when we're getting together.

B

If anybody else wants to stand, this is the gentleman that's overseeing and an.

B

Education program or developing one with the city on organic landcare he's the stormwater.

B

Guru for public works, his name is brian goetz and they have a whole education effort about.

B

Stormwater and they're going to combine that effort with information on organic men care.

F

If you, if you are going to, let people know I'd, say, go to isaac or me.

F

Again, if it's enough members that it's a quorum we'll need to advertise it as a public meeting.

F

Okay, all right, so that would be great thanks, ted all right anything else. Okay, questions, okay,.

C

We're going to do a motion to adjourn, make a motion that we adjourn the meeting. Second.

C

I'll second, okay- and I think we can just say all those in favor done all those in.

C

Favor, you can call it. Yes, as the pair you have, the prerogative meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

C