City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Planning Board, 18 Aug 2022

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8.18.2022 Planning Board

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Back through and look at some.

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Welcome to the reporter's planning board august 18th 2022.. uh We have.

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Two members who are not present with us, mr bahana.

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First item on the agenda: we have uh the board discussion, regulatory amendments and a master.

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Plan this is a new placeholder for just board comments. I'd like to keep this if we can to.

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Less than 30 minutes, but I know some board members have expressed desire to talk about.

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What the board might need to do for to address zoning the master plan and.

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Perhaps the planning board rules planning director by the way is seeking funding for.

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To work in the master plan for next year and she's hopeful about that. So who would like to speak up.

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Jane I'll start, um I actually reviewed the master plan coming to your microphone, hello.

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Okay, I actually reviewed the master plan in some depth and um I just like to make.

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A couple of comments that I think all point to the need for some specific revision areas of the.

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Master plan: I have my own ideas about what those could be, so I'm just offering my own opinion here.

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The plan assumed a stagnant population growth and, I think, continued trends in a in a um in its.

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Diversity chapter which really talks about the diversity of art, theater and startup businesses.

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And those assumptions haven't necessarily.

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They're, not they're, not current, I don't think I mean we haven't seen development in those.

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Areas we've seen a lot of development in hotels, restaurants, etc. Tourism and the master plans only.

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Themes to really guide growth in the next decade because it didn't use conventional categories.

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Like, for example, land use, housing economic development, which it states right up front.

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It it really doesn't provide any kind of vision about population growth. It excludes standards for.

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Density development, infill and rate of growth, and I think all of those really need to be addressed.

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Instead, it seems to emphasize when I read it: the need for more open spaces.

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The need for public access, particularly to the waterfront, which is the opposite of density.

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You know further development and infill. It consistently emphasizes the need for a walkable.

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And human scale to this town, and so I think we really need to start codifying what we.

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Collectively mean particularly what the general public really wants in terms of these objectives,.

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What it means to be building at a human scale, which is mentioned over and over.

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On page 106 of the master plan, there was a recent development near the downtown which.

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Resulted in significant massing and scale, and it specifically mentions concerns about the.

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Impact of that on the historical character of the town, so again I mean the only thing I could find.

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Around neighborhood character and scale and density and infill are actual.

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Actually, just a comment here and a comment there about the residents wishes to.

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Have compatibility with the current human scale in town? I don't feel we are necessarily.

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Now growing in this manner, and I think we we really need some standards.

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um Specifically around what we mean by an extent of density, what what people! What what the general.

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Public thinks about that: what's the intended future rate of growth, since we can do nothing.

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About the rate of growth to date and what we mean by higher value uses with land.

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That's kind of point number, one like a whole point about density, infill, development and rate of.

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Growth- my second point- and I'm just going to leave it for here, because I know we need more in-depth.

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Conversations about all of this, but just to kind of open up. What I feel is a compelling need.

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For looking at these areas within the master plan and making them more specific, I'd like to.

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Point out that, over and over the master plan talks about the need to plan for an aging population and.

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How that needs to become a major focus of the city and public agencies in the coming decade?.

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And, though we talk a lot about affordable housing, I think affordable housing is distinct from.

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You know senior housing, you can have an affordable, affordable housing. That requires you to walk.

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Four flights up- that's not senior housing and and senior housing in and of itself in this city seems.

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To also like the need for it is across an entire large socio-economic continuum, so it's not just.

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Affordable housing, the way workforce and affordable housing have been defined.

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So I just point out that those two areas in particular need further.

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Discussion, public input and and specification in a revised master plan and I'd like to us to do that.

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As a board, I don't know if that means you know setting up an advisory committee or if it means.

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Asking the planning director for a timeline and work plan, but I would like something concrete.

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To come out of this, so I welcome any suggestions about how that could be.

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Characterized, thank you very much. I think that's uh to summarize obviously you're looking for.

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A master plan update and you have some very specific ideas about it. So thank you for that.

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And we're going to proceed with that. Who would like to also comment if anyone andrew.

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Yeah only because it directly dovetails off of jane's points, um I think in large part we've done.

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The city as a whole has done a really nice job, incorporating more sidewalks.

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I.E, islington street maplewood ave they've, all gotten really beautiful, new sidewalks done and.

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That's going to continue to happen and anytime, you can see that type of growth done by the city.

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Without too much private investment contributing, I think that's a really good awareness.

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And so that's going to continue bringing that human scale that you mentioned jane into that.

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But outside of the urban core and some of these downtown areas.

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We can't neglect to think about the gateway zone and why they were established. So considering.

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The route 1 corridor and some of the projects we've approved there. We have to focus on not.

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Isolating those to just those development sites so take the one behind five guys on peverly hill.

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As well as some of those other single-family neighborhoods that have come to fruition,.

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We had to bring purpose to those outside areas and whether it be sidewalks or multimodal paths.

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We can't neglect those areas and I think it even continues further down towards maple haven.

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And across route 1., so whether it's rearranging our modes of transportation with a city purpose.

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Or private users and kind of saying, hey we're, building all these sidewalks and whatnot so that.

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We don't have to rely so much on cars and vehicles so generally vehicles, whether it's buses, cars, etc.

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um We need to kind of bring that to the priority so that in the future, when we're approving.

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Parking considerations and looking at parking allowances we can say: well, we have the ability.

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To to not have so much parking, because we have these paths because we have this accessibility.

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And that spans just beyond the downtown. So I think that's kind of the focal point and the.

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Last part is that you know we're going to start to think about the community campus development and.

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Relocating the alternative school, so those are areas that have a great amenity to portsmouth and.

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Rearranging the focus towards those is should be considered in this master plan, although it.

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Wasn't previously um and- and I think, that's probably something we can start to incorporate.

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As like an addendum or an additional project in the future, thank you any yes, jim, yes,.

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I was reviewing the master plan also, and I noticed on it was either page 30 or 31.

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That, based on the website survey that was done in 2015 or 16 the number one job that portsmouth.

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Citizens want us to do is to make sure we have an adequate water supply. That was their number one.

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Issue that they they rated on that survey, so I'm hoping that the master plan update will include a.

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Water resources master plan update because in the in the state of new hampshire's planning,.

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Board handbook on section two page: four: they they mentioned, that uh a water resources plan should.

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Be done concurrently or in the same time frame as a uh as the master plan itself. So that's my.

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Issue for the master plan. Thank you good thought. Anybody else sure here to add on to to what andrew.

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Was saying and jane, the number two issue in the master plan raised by residents was parking and.

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I think we need to have a discussion about parking, especially surrounding the down.

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In the downtown and neighborhoods surrounding the downtown area, residents are.

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I think struggling especially in the neighborhoods just off of downtown there's a lot of. We need to.

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Have a conversation and uh it's it's obviously a a concern and it's affecting residents significantly.

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And there's also, if you compare other cities in the state, a um a difference into requirements.

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For new construction and new developments in the downtown area related to parking, that is a.

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Lower standard in portsmouth that it's higher in other other towns, and I think we saw with the.

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West end yards development coming back for parking, an issue that they recognized and kind of.

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Were considering because of a loss of parking there and that's not even in the downtown area.

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Yes, and so that's a regulatory issue- and it ties in a little bit with andrew, was saying because the.

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Disconnected areas are different than the downtown area, and so there probably ought to be different.

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Parking standards- and this is a topic we can talk about and should talk about in more detail.

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Is is this the time to bring up other issues not related to the master plan? Any other regulatory.

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Process, I'd yeah you've got a few more minutes. Okay, um I just noticed the.

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This meeting's packet was the packet, that's we use, and the public uses to review.

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Our job here was two thousand pages in one pdf, and I don't know about the rest of you.

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But I can't skim through two thousand pages very easily and find what I need.

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And then I, then it was reduced to a thousand pages. I guess there was a glitch, so that was a good.

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Improvement, it was cut in half, but I was hoping is there a way that the planning department can just.

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Separate the architectural drawings and the site drawings in one packet and then everything else.

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And something else so having appendices and then just the stuff that we concentrate the most on.

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Yes, we've talked about this a little bit and I think the applicants.

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Could do this, they could assemble things. Some of them are already doing that in a little bit.

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In terms of appendices, but then the packets get assembled with everything together, so you've got.

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The meat of the project that you're talking about, then the appendices.

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And drainage analyses for one thing can take hundreds of pages and traffic printouts can.

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Take hundreds of pages, so I think it's good to have those, but probably at the end of the packet.

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We can work on that. I think that's that's an easy, that's an easy fix. So do you foresee two packets.

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I mean again I'm trying to have them separate, so I can just click on one and get the good stuff click.

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On the other and have all the reference weeds so to speak, it would be yeah. It'd, probably be easier.

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To have it in two just for download purposes, but they'd be together, because the information does.

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Need to be be together because one reference is the other. um Mr chairman, can I just ask.

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Plenty board: member hewitt: are you having trouble with the bookmarks? Because if you click into the.

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Bookmark it has each plan set within the bookmark, so you click plan set and then they're also.

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Laid out within the bookmark by typically by which plants that you're looking for like site plan.

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And so has that have the bookmarks, because I think stephanie takes a great deal of time to.

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Bookmark the entire packet, and so, if is that not been working very well well, even with.

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The bookmarks some some submissions can be four or 500 pages, and I just.

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I just don't feel the need to skim through all that stuff. I don't understand why it just can't.

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Be separated since majority of us don't even look at that information. I don't mean.

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I just feel we should concentrate on the things we make decisions on.

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So I think it's more. I I mean I pull. I pull the material out that you're talking about myself and.

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Have two I have the full packet and then I have the plan sets and the other information pulled.

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Out as a smaller, just in the course of a meeting, it's quicker to scroll through, that's that's all.

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The bookmarks are very helpful, so anyone else on the website too, they are organized by agenda item.

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If that's just they're the community's, not getting the thousand pages they're getting they go to the.

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Website- and they can see things organized by that's if that's helpful, also yeah, that is.

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Just so you know on your ipads, you can actually go to the city website and pull up each individual.

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And save them as separate projects in your ipad. If you want to as well right, I've done that sometimes.

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Do that with my my computer? One more related item. um I noticed this week that west end yards.

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Is starting construction on their additional parking? They needed a hundred more spaces.

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I think we're all aware of that. What happened in february or march- and I was just wondering.

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Have they submitted the parking study that we asked for the planning board asked for.

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So, as I recall, we asked that they they said that they had done a sort of a brief.

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Study to determine that they needed more parking. We asked that that be submitted.

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I have not seen that, but I can certainly follow up with them about that.

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So you don't know if it's been done yet it was already done at the time of the meeting you may.

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Recall this was the basis for them asking saying that we in doing in review of our internal parking.

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Practices and what we're observing and we've done, some study that we think we need. You know more at.

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This time and then I believe the planning board said, would you mind sharing that with us? They said.

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They would not, and then but I don't think we did receive it, so I can absolutely follow up on it.

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But I think we voted for very specifics. We wanted the size of the apartment number of bedrooms.

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Occupants and how many cars that's what I think we were looking for, I can I can go back and look.

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At that stipulation, okay, thanks anything else. I have one thing that relates to our next item.

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We currently operate in theory by the planning board rules which reference robert's rules.

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And I know greg mahana and myself are probably the only two who have an actual copy of robert's rules.

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And it's a very useful document, but it may be a little bit more than what we need for this.

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Board and it could become burdensome and some of the other things like I'm about to talk about a.

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Public hearing where we might want some flexibility for public input and.

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I think we should just go through the rules and see if you think, they're working.

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Does the chair have too much authority, not enough authority.

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Should meetings be run a little bit differently? Those are the planning board rules, that's what the rules are about, so I'd just like to have a session where we talk about it, and we can do that.

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So, just to be clear, you you'd, like a session on on the eight-page planning board rules that.

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We operate under okay, yeah, I was noticing those myself and um I think our rules regarding thai.

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Votes are not complicit with state or guidance that I agree with you they're wrong. Okay, all right.

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Yes, jane um the other. The other thing is, we could do this next meeting if it's.

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You know easier, um but the email that we got at 2 37 this afternoon, that gives the two.

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Completely opposite decisions regarding the reigns avenue.

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Issue, um I I'm going to need to understand what I looked through it and I don't really understand.

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Particularly how 24 hours later the decision was turned over so could we have some? Maybe our city.

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Lawyer or somebody um walk us through how those decisions were made and what they really mean.

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You can ask for that. Our new city attorney susan morrill is in the in the room tonight.

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I'm not going to call on her right now for that, but that that's her in the back.

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Looks like mr sullivan wishes to speak.

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Come on, we've got to make him speak as much as possible before he retires.

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You have 23 seconds, mr sullivan.

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I I did not participate in the decision that was discussed, but I'm happy to answer any questions.

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About the decision-making process generally or specifically, to the extent that I know so.

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Would you mind restating the question? um Well, I don't have the I don't have.

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The email in front of me, but basically it had two attachments, one attachment.

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I believe from the house of appeals, I'm not 100 positive about what I'm saying.

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Said that the city's position was granted regarding um this had to do with the zba.

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And the planning board deciding to revisit the two motions to dismiss.

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That were in the spirit yeah the uh they were in separate cases, different properties, okay, which.

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Is why they are different answers? Okay, so I didn't get that so. Could you just say which.

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One is the reigns one and which one is the green street one. What what happened? The the.

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Green street one is the one which is not been dismissed, reigns avenue was the one.

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That was dismissed and the supreme court has basically said that case should come back.

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To the zoning board and the essential theory was that parties are required to.

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Satisfy all of their local administrative procedures before they go into court and.

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I was determined in that case that the procedures, local procedures were not completed and satisfied.

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Bob, if I could, if I could add to that these decisions, both came down earlier this month,.

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And um basically, you recall that the planning board made a decision to re-hear. One reigns.

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And that was challenged immediately and the city made a motion to dismiss that challenge.

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That motion was not accepted by the courts, that challenge stands and will be tested in the courts.

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On the other one, the board of adjustment, this one is confusing. The board voted to rehear.

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And then the applicant asked the courts to ask the board of adjustment to reconsider.

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That decision to rehear- and I believe there was some kind of thai vote bob. You remember, I think.

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And then that went to the court and we also in that case, I believe, asked for a dismissal and it.

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Was not and it's been sent back, it was a matter of substantive law that the court could decide.

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Have those opinions been provided to you, should we send them to the individual board members.

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This afternoon, right at 2, 30 and they're very dense and they're very.

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Legally, yes, but I do have copies of them so particularly with the reigns avenue, property.

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What does that mean does? Does it mean they're free to start building? Does it mean that it's.

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Going to another course, nobody is free to start building anything on either of these. So what is.

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The status there with regards to like where is that case? I I I don't understand it in the case.

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In which the motion to dismiss was granted, the the matter is coming back to the zoning board.

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That's not rain rains on rains. I'm asking about green is coming back to the zoning.

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Board, if I can make a suggestion, anybody who has specific questions about that.

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Take it up with attorney sullivan yeah and just in one in one sentence. The other case.

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Is continuing in the judicial process? Oh, I see that's right. Nobody is free to do anything. Okay,.

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Check with me and I'll direct you to whichever attorney is on on deck.

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Okay, okay, maybe I'm the only person who didn't completely understand those dense.

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Court findings, but I certainly will have another meeting with somebody here to understand them.

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Thank you yeah. I didn't either. I didn't. I actually didn't read them, because all.

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The other stuff had to go through today, so thank you for reading them.

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We have a public hearing, that's been continued from june 23rd on the zoning and the way this.

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Meeting will work tonight will be a presentation, a brief presentation from staff, and then we have a.

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Public comment now because it's a public hearing, our rules have a three-step process that have.

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uh Three rounds of talk potentially first three minutes with oral comment only second up to ten.

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Minutes include can include a presentation and a third round of 10 minutes. That's also oral comment.

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I would entertain a suggestion, since we've already had a fair amount of discussion about this.

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To allow two rounds of discussion three minutes and five minutes with no limit.

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Anybody wants to use whatever they want to use or anything else. The board might feel.

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Comfortable with, or we can just proceed with the normal three rounds, I just want to offer.

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It as an idea before we get started, but I can't make a motion say again: what you're proposing I'm.

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Proposing that we allow two rounds a three round and a five three minute round and a five minute.

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Round with no limit, if somebody wants to present something which they're not supposed to do in.

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The first three minutes normally right, because it usually is three minutes. Ten minutes unlimited, so.

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You wanna do three minutes: five minutes, it's 3, 10, 10 actually, and the rules not unlimited.

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I want to do three and five as an idea. If, if there's something that comes up, we can revisit it.

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Again but sure I'll make a motion that we change. The public comment for three first round three.

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Minutes second round five minutes. Second, this is a suspension of the rules, requires a two-thirds vote.

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All those in favor, aye, aye aye, opposed motion carries mr crack. Now. Would you like to present.

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Good evening, mr chairman, members of the planning board for the record nick crecknell, the principal.

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Planner in the planning department, I think in the interest of time, unless you prefer.

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uh I'd like to focus on where we sort of left off at the work session.

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Last week and the feedback that we received, both from board members and members of the public.

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And offer some suggestions, uh most of which you've seen in the packet coming into this meeting.

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As a response to those comments, so if we go the next slide, uh just as a recap, this is a code.

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Cleanup it's the first of of uh at least three known parts of the land use committee and we're.

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Focused on the building height standards- and there are four subparts to what was presented uh both in.

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The material and at length on the work session on august 8th, so we've got the building height.

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Map changes we have corner and and through lots uh where we're wordsmithing the language there.

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To remove some apparent ambiguity on how how a corner lot factors into multiple building heights.

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That might be on more than one side of the property part three is the concept of adding.

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Building heights to the civic districts and applying the cd4 dimensional standards and.

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The fourth one was a series of definitional modifications or new definitions being added.

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Again, all relating to how building height is measured so we'll go. The next slide.

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So I think there were five main areas of interest or concern, depending on the speaker.

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That provided the input- and I haven't prioritized them, but I just want to bump through these five.

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And give a response to each of them, and we discussed some of this at the the meeting on.

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The eighth, but there were a number of people that suggested we shouldn't be trying to increase any.

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Building heights in the downtown and the response given last monday and is presented in the material.

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Is we're not increasing the heights, with the exception of one property on haven, court and high.

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Street that would go up five feet, everything's likely to actually go down a little bit because.

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Of how height will be measured right now, height is measured on the finish grade. What we're proposing.

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To do here in the definition section is create a definition for average existing grade and average.

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Finished grade and whichever is lower, will become the low reference point to measure the height of.

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A building so just about everybody unless they're on a completely flat site, will have slightly less.

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Allowable height, as a result of the definitional change, the second item on there was the actually.

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We'll go through the slides because I want to reiterate: uh high street haven court exception.

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To what I just said so, right now on high street, we go to the next slide. You'll see the image.

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There was an image: are we in the powerpoint yeah.

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Anyway, they have the images there.

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There it is okay, so the arrows are pointed at that parking lot uh that was behind rudy's on.

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High street in haven court, everything that you see on that map, with the exception.

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Oh, is that me moving it? Okay, sorry about that. So the this is the proposed change. Just whoops. We.

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Good, so just here this is currently a green line and a green line is limited to 40 feet in height.

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Two to three stories: 40 feet in height: this would increase it by five feet and you'll notice.

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That all the other surrounding properties are already orange and again it's 40 feet going to 45.

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If the proposed definitions change as a part of this.

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Zoning amendment it'll actually be lower than 45, because you're not going to be able to fill.

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Any of the portions of that building facade and take advantage of of a field condition.

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So it's a five foot increase and it's really about smoothing out the lines.

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If there was ever an error here made, it was back in 2013 when we made it green, it should have been.

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Orange everything's orange these this building is 45 at least feet along the garage on on lad street.

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This is almost 46 feet over here on the other side of high street. It's 45 and a half feet up here.

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These building heights that were designated back in 2013, they aren't perfect, but we were.

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We were focused primarily on the existing built environment.

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So obviously there was nothing in that parking lot and I think we just went up.

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Fleet street uh up haven court, which is really a back service alley with very limited access.

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And carried the green line around the parking lot. But we are not talking about a very significant.

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Amendment here to that property to tie it into the the rest of high street there we go so there's no.

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No change as a response to that comment, at least uh from last last monday, we go to the next issue.

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um There was discussion from, I think, a couple of members as well as somebody from the public about.

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Foundry place and and hill street and lowering the building heights from what's being proposed.

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On both those streets, hill street is not included in the amendments here to be either increased or.

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Lowered we're actually not looking at hill street in this set of amendments, that's not to say.

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Hill street hanover and that entire neighborhood doesn't need to be revisited. It's just not part of.

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A code cleanup, the code cleanup here is focused on the fact that foundry place didn't exist in.

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2013, so we couldn't apply building heights to it in 2013. It's a road that exists in the city. It.

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Should have heights on both sides and the heights that we're proposing uh maintain the status quo.

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Of what the heights are already either on the built parking garage, that's owned municipal today.

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At 60, feet or all of the dsa properties on both sides of foundry place, they're already 60 feet.

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So we're not changing that with the incentive they're 50 feet with the 10 foot.

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uh Addition with the overlay district heinemann right now is a green line.

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Maybe you can go to the next image. I I think I might yeah so should have done that first.

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Where is it oops, so there's the parking garage? I think it's actually about 62 feet. This is a.

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Brown line that's proposed here, which is a 50-foot district, and you can get the extra 10 feet because.

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This entire neighborhood right here is in the overlay district. For now, we're not proposing to.

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Change that again, this is code cleanup, not master, planning or generating a new specific plan for.

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This neighborhood this lot here is lot three and it's already been approved for a five-story hotel.

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This lot over here has been approved for a five-story or four-story, with a penthouse.

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Mixed-Use building this is ferguson here, the the kitchen place that is currently zoned at.

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50 feet and they're getting their heights. The lot three ferguson and those two are.

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Up bridge street and deer street right here, because we had no foundry place back in 2013.

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uh Actually, this zoning was adopted in 2014 after the downtown, so it was a year later. We.

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Did the vision plan for the north end and then developed the code brought it forward.

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So we are not proposing to change any of the development rights associated with any of the.

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Properties here- and there was discussion last week about hey well what about lot, 2, that rogers owns.

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It right now it has no building height, and that is true.

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But if the city uh didn't get that for the park that it was approved to be uh constructed as.

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Then the owners of lot three would merge it in and have a 50-foot building using the the zoning.

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Height down here, this is already a brown line on the existing map, which makes this 50 feet.

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This is 50 feet from hill street right back here, because again, foundry place didn't exist.

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So all we're doing again is strapping on either what's been approved or what's been built a long.

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Foundry place and if you look at heinemann here, heinemann gets its building height currently down.

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Here on hanover street- and it has a green line- it's 40 feet so that entire property is already.

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Three up to three stories and 40 feet so we're suggesting on the bottom. uh We maintain that 40.

H

Foot maximum height and then peter happney is down here at 66 rock street. He actually has no building.

H

Height he was orphaned down here. We didn't realize that until recently, so we're proposing around that.

H

Cul-De-Sac with the artwork in the middle that that be a green line consistent with heinemann.

H

And the transition into that residential neighborhood that it'd only be 40 feet here.

H

So that's the proposal, there's no uh alterations that we've suggested from last monday to tonight.

H

In respect to hill street or some suggestions of this line being lower in order to maybe bring.

H

People back to the table here from a planning perspective again we're supportive of revisiting.

H

All of this, but it really needs to be done as part of a separate effort, not a code cleanup.

H

uh If the vision plans in question from 2015, then we need another public process to evaluate.

H

That plan itself and make changes if, if folks, want to make them at that time,.

H

Okay, yep. Can I just ask one question before you move on, which is at the head of foundries of the.

C

Street there up here yeah, but those properties got their fifth story by getting by giving the.

C

City community space is that correct, correct right here. Lot two actually is proposed to be a park.

H

And both lot three and lot six used about a third of this land area to create the additional story.

C

So that's that's, what's a little confusing about then setting it at the height that they gained.

C

By getting by using the incentives, see what I'm saying we're actually setting this at 50 and the.

H

Buildings that are approved are at 60, 60, okay, yeah, so we've act. You know the whole idea here.

H

In the code was the vision plan in 2013 always envisioned 60-foot buildings here.

H

But we were trying to figure out, how can we get something out of it? You know for the city.

H

Without having to buy the land, so we lowered it 10 feet and then gave it back, but you had.

H

To give the city something to get it and it was voluntary, that's really helpful. Thank you.

H

uh Okay, we'll go to the next issue. Three of five. uh There was a suggestion from I think.

H

Somebody in the public- and it was supported by someone on the board that hey if we've got.

H

Cemetery properties that are within the building height map, doesn't it make sense that we lower.

H

The height from what was proposed, I think it was a yellow line. 30 35 feet to the smallest, shortest.

H

Designation, which is one story or 20 feet right now. We only have one property in the entire.

H

Character based zoning area, that is one story or 20 feet, and it's a little piece right. Next.

H

To the bridge uh on maplewood, as you go over towards stannit street nothing's being built.

H

There it's right on the shoreline it's in the buffer, but in the vision plan we envisioned.

H

Maybe a building going back where it used to be. There were three buildings along that bridge.

H

uh 150 years ago, so the idea was maybe one could go. That's water dependent uh anyway.

H

It's not going there, it's not in the rains ave project, but that's the only other property.

H

In the character district area, that's one story or 20 feet: normally one-story buildings.

H

Are not conducive to an urban environment, so we are proposing if you go to the next slide,.

H

We are proposing here for union cemetery, which is here on maplewood, f and north cemetery. Here.

H

And there's about a 1300 square foot parcel here that uh used to be, I guess, quite a long.

H

Time ago, a little fire station. I have no idea what was in there, but it is owned by the city.

H

uh These are all municipal properties in the municipal district, so that's the one-story 20-foot.

H

Line that sort of teal color so that that's an amendment from last monday.

H

As a result of the feedback on the eighth, so we'll go to the fourth uh issue, at least on my list.

H

There was a discussion at the end of the meeting about hey what happened to the rooftop railings.

H

This was presented in the previous meeting back in july. I had an amendment in there that.

H

Spoke to rooftop of pertinences and relaxing the setback requirements for the railings.

H

And there was some discussion about that in july. It fell off my uh my list coming in here on the.

H

Eighth and somebody a board member brought it to my attention. It's a good amendment. It allows.

H

Much more interest on the tops of these buildings to not require most most rail systems are 36 to.

H

42 even 48 inches in height, so think of a railing on a roof for a roof deck for a recessed penthouse.

H

Or or just a roof deck itself, it's currently a requirement that that railing be set back.

H

Twice the height of the railing. So if it's a four foot railing, it has to be eight feet back.

H

In the character districts, it actually forces it to ten feet. So the amendment that we're proposing.

H

Here and we brought this up in july, if you go to the next slide, the actual text is here.

H

Is to uh exempt decorative railings no taller than four feet in height. They can be in that ten foot.

H

Area, so, if you think of the hundred club on 100 market street, that railing is right on the edge of.

H

The building with the recessed penthouse, you think, of the penthouse on bow street in the old brewery.

H

That has a hip top penthouse with a railing system along the edge.

H

Both of those predate the existing zoning, but those are things that the hdc has repeatedly.

H

Wanted to be able to allow it doesn't mean they're going to go there. It still has to.

H

Get htc approval if it's in the historic district, but they wouldn't need zoning relief to have the.

H

Railing out along the edge of the roof, that's a 100 market street down there for anybody that.

H

That that penthouse there has a railing system right on the perimeter wall. It's decorative.

H

I think it adds a lot of character to the building, a relatively simple building, otherwise,.

H

This is the one over on bow street. That railing is, is only set back about a foot from the edge.

H

uh Of that penthouse and this this is actually on the ac hotel with the clear glass railing. So this.

H

Will just make sure those things can happen, at least in the character districts. I think we got.

H

One more on my list: there was discussion from both members of the board and the public about.

H

Considering removal of the civic districts either one property or all of the properties, we have nine.

H

Nine properties in the civic districts today, so there was some suggestion that we should.

H

Remove that from the building height map leave it the way it is and not reference.

H

The cd4 dimensional standards and I've got a map here that would show what that would look like.

H

um If we can just go back sorry steph uh the main justification for you know either tabling this or.

H

Not moving forward with this particular element uh tonight or back at the city council would be.

H

To give us an opportunity to develop more detailed, more refined standards than just the cd4.

H

Which is really a borrow here: the civic districts today have no maximum building height.

H

uh Regulations so they can build as tall as they want. Htc has to approve it, but there's no maximum.

H

Building height in the civic districts- and there are no dimensional controls for where you put a.

H

Building or how big it is so knowing the risk is low, but there are no guard rails. The idea here.

H

Was to use a very sort of generous uh set of dimensional standards for civic properties.

H

That being the cd4, but I think it's a fair point that it probably makes sense, given the.

H

Diversity between john paul jones, langdon, the the churches in the north church and the south.

H

Church very different pattern, uh very different land use that we take another pass at that. So.

H

Again, this was referenced in the memo last monday, when we had the work session that we.

H

Would potentially pull this out and take another pass at it? So I've shown the map in the next slide.

H

Those are the nine properties that I think most of you are familiar with.

H

At the top, the moffat lad: the saint saint john's, the warner house, the synagogue, langdon.

H

South church, north church baptist church and john paul jones, those are your nine civic districts.

H

So if we shut them off in the building height map, I think the next slide.

H

Would show them all removed from the proposed changes, so those arrows are still pointed at.

H

The same place now there's no building height around each of those properties.

H

And then the next slide would show you what the new building height map would look like, and you.

H

Would have gaps where those nine properties are, but at least the municipal properties.

H

Would close a lot of the gaps that are in the existing map? So um I think that's a summary.

H

Of at least what what I got out of the last meeting listening to you and members of the.

H

Public is there another slide, steph only the end, yep, so I'll stop there. I have every.

H

Everything that I presented at the last meeting, if anybody has any questions or wants to look at it.

H

But it was pretty extensive. I think I was here for about 40 minutes presenting, uh so I didn't.

H

Want to go back through it, I'm going to start off saying I. I support the idea of pulling the civic.

B

Out and out of the height in both for the height standards and also the cd4, made a lot.

B

Of sense is sort of a first pass, but I agree: I think it needs a little more study before.

B

um A new imposition civic properties are different and they're, not like as you, as you just said, nick.

B

They're not like most of the rest of the downtown, so I think that's that seems to be an easy change.

B

Any other questions from the ward- yes jim nick. I just want to clarify on heinemann.

D

Heinemann fronts on both foundry place and hanover correct. uh Can you go back? I would.

H

I think you could you could say yes or no to that well and well. The reason is this foundry place.

H

Is a very unusual parcel, it include 50 of it is the street, the other 50 or less. The other 50 is.

H

Actually, the parking garage, it became lot one in the subdivision, so unlike most streets that have.

H

A 30 to 50 foot right away and they run right down the street and pick up the sidewalks and.

H

The utilities foundry place actually covers the typical street. Here. That's uh 40 or 50 feet wide.

H

But then this was merged into the lot. This was merged into the lot. It comes the district itself.

H

Comes right over into the rock street park, but there's a plot of land here, where a building.

H

Used to stand that currently has a retaining wall left on the side of foundry place that I think you.

H

And probably others are aware of was in the paper that the owner of heinemann is looking or speaking.

H

To the city about a portion of that site that remains right here, along the back of heinemann.

H

So, for all intents and purposes, let's assume that this green line will be the building height limit.

H

For heinemann, which which is a duplicate to the green line here, so if this doesn't happen, if that.

H

Stayed if you were to say hey what let's just take the green off. This is still a 40-foot building.

H

Based on hanover street okay, well, when I looked on the tax map for heinemann yep, there was definitely.

D

Frontage on foundry place for heinem, there are there's frontage, but there's a strip of land. There.

H

That the city would have to sell for this property to have actual access to foundry place. Well,.

D

That's probably true, but there's a big grade difference there, but yeah.

I

And mentally I'm just trying to confirm that the foundry pla, the heinemann property fronts.

D

Has a butts, foundry place, it's an odd-shaped lot and also the parking lot fronts on hanover.

D

Correct so I just want to be 100 sure that both heinemann, when it fronts on foundry, when it fronts.

D

On hanover's 40-foot height limit, if they're, both green, it's 40 feet from front to back.

H

If this was actually brown, as you recall, when we first did this, this was a brown line which.

H

Would have generated this through lot condition with a 50 foot height on the back and a 40 foot.

H

Height on the front, which would have resulted in the 50 feet going from here to within 50.

H

Feet which is about here to hanover street, so it would have increased the building height and the.

H

Development rights associated with that property: that's why we pulled it back to the green. I think.

H

There were a number of people that brought that up, and the intention here is not to.

H

Increase their development rights as part of these amendments, any other questions.

D

Nick, I just have one generic question about heights in general, in the city.

D

I think at the last um work session I was curious about the zoning and many of these.

D

Green colored lines have height variances from two to three stories: two and a half four.

D

It's a range, as you know, it's a bridge of height and I I'm a little slow in taking up this stuff.

D

But- and you made it clear to me that hdc has the authority when you have that range to set the.

D

Range correct, yes, and I think importantly, I said within reason: they've got to be able to justify.

H

Not allowing somebody to fully utilize the allowed building height with good grounds for doing so so.

D

I was curious: what would you consider good grounds for not going to the maximum height.

H

I would say if the building height map, if you were at the foot of pen, hollow and chief street.

H

Where you have a corner, lock, condition or you've got short buildings on one street and and they're.

H

Right next to tall buildings, there may be an instance where the building height is overpowering.

H

The street and the example I gave last week, which is a real one, is 77 state street, which is the the.

H

Wine bar building with the mansard roof at the corner, where the exxon gas station used to be.

H

At the foot of state street that came in with a 59-foot building with a full five floors and.

H

The htc, through a protracted uh discussion with the applicant, had them reduce the fifth floor.

H

To a penthouse set it back in order to reduce the scale of the building, so some development.

H

Rights were lost there for the applicant and their expectations to have a five-story building from.

H

Front to back, they got four and a half stories instead with the penthouse okay. Would you consider.

D

Following the master plan, a good reason for the htc not to go to the maximum height. Oh.

H

Absolutely if the master plan had any significant level of detail to speak to.

H

That issue I mean it would have to it. It can't just be we're afraid of height, so we're not.

H

Going to do it, it's going to have to say in this neighborhood here's the desired building height.

H

So I I don't want to give anybody the illusions: if it's two to four stories that you know the htc can.

H

Just sit up there and and uh demand two-story buildings, because that's the lower end of the.

H

Spectrum, I think the the expectation is we're we're comfortable with the ceiling. That's why.

H

We pass the code at three four five stories, uh but the burden is on the applicant to demonstrate.

H

That their product is designed well enough to fit into that that parcel at that height.

B

Okay, thank you so everybody's clear and especially the public. We have two two criteria for height in.

B

Our regulation, one is stories and one is feet. There are absolute foot limits of the height.

B

And because you can have different dimensions between your floors on a building, that's why.

B

You could have two to four, but still capped at a specific height right, and the mcintyre is a great.

H

Example of that, with about 18 feet used per story, it's a very unusual, so only a four-story building.

H

And it's 62 feet in height, so that is why we have storage code requires certain like this.

B

First floor has to be a minimum height and certain things like that. But that's why.

B

It's not really there's a range of stories, there's not a range of heights. The heights are fixed as a.

B

As a limit and then you've got bonus criteria, but I just want that to be clear, any other questions.

B

For the public, no other board questions.

B

I'll open the public hearing, anybody here wish to speak.

B

2-4 against the proposed zoning amendments.

E

You've been dying to do that good evening. um I think there's some confusion because there's a.

J

Sign up sheet back there for public speaking, and yet this is the public hearing, so I'm not sure.

J

What that's all about is it just left over from another meeting.

B

I'll I'll try to find out about that, but I don't need to know about it.

J

I'm just saying it's confusing, because I would think that a public hearing is not necessary to.

J

Sign up, but I did happy to paige trace 27 hancock street, I'm here tonight representing the national.

J

Society of the colonial dames of america in the state of new hampshire, euphemism, n-s-c-d-a-n-h.

J

We are the owners of the moffat, lad house. I've been here to every.

J

Public meeting work session regarding the zoning, I would agree wholeheartedly that we need to.

J

Take a look at the zoning of civic properties.

J

Further, if that's what you're going to do, I would ask that you leave the moffat lad.

J

Alone, I'm singing the same song that I have sung every time. I stand up here the fact of the matter.

J

Is the moffat lat house is a full four stories? There is a dormer off the back of the house.

J

And it's a full three stories and then you go upstairs onto that. Fourth story:.

J

And the dormer was there it's a full height up in there and it was used for um pigeons doves.

J

Coming in and out of the house directly, it's a full room so currently the principal planner.

J

Has the front of the moffett lad house at, I think the new one is two to three stories and I'm just.

J

Saying nothing is going to happen to the moffett loud house. Dear god, I know there are some who.

J

Have suggested that what happens if there's a fire, that is not something that I ever wish to discuss.

J

I never wish that on any any national landmark or historic building in this city. Ever it's one.

J

Of the reasons why we have brick buildings today in much of our downtown, that said, please do not.

J

Change the zoning for the moffett loud house- and I say that because I'm beginning to think.

J

It's personal, uh the last public work session. You had four lines that were new lines for the.

J

Moffett loud house now they're five, why you know honestly so please thank you very much. Thank you.

B

And thank you for telling us about the sinai sheep, but don't worry about that. Just come to the podium.

K

Good evening peter huda, 280 south street, um I'm going to refer to.

K

The handout page three and I'm still confused by number 10.

K

5A 21-21, on building height and in the red you're, adding um the the historic district.

K

Has explicit uh approval for building heights in the historic district.

K

And in the staff comments it says to make explicit that within the historic district.

K

The htc has jurisdiction over height scale and mass, so I was confused about this, so I went back.

K

To the planning board handbook, which is part of the state's handout for planning boards and.

K

What that says,.

K

Is basically in a historic district, uh the regulations must be compatible with.

K

Municipalities, master plan, of course, and then your zoning ordinance, which we have as it goes down in.

K

The paragraph it actually says in municipal municipalities that have historic districts.

K

Established which have not adopted a zoning ordinance, the hdc has the same authority as.

K

The planning board, within the bounds of the historic district, so my confusion is we have.

K

We have adopted ordinances, so does the historic district have final say on this.

K

Or does it refer back to the planning board and the zoning ordinances.

K

It also goes on to say persons agreed by the decisions of the htc have the right to appeal.

K

To the zoning board of adjustment, so then I went to the zoning board of adjustment handbook.

K

And in there it has historic district commission appeals. This is uh referencing an rsa number 67717.

K

Which says this empowers the board of adjustment uh in municipalities that have.

K

Enacted a zoning ordinance to have appeals and I'm not going to read the whole thing. But.

K

Basically, this is, uh it says this is one of the hardest things that they have to do, and it goes.

K

Down to all of the ordinances that they have to um apply so bottom line of my question is.

K

Who has final say here uh as we're discussing the height, especially in the historic district.

K

And we're discussing projects that are that are on the line right now for this uh as a resident.

K

Who has done this? um I guess I'd like a legal answer on who would have final.

K

Say on this and I'll be back with the rest of my stuff. Thank you. Thank you.

J

um Esther kennedy 41 pickarinov and I apologize when I wasn't here the other night.

J

um I was on vacation and like many people, I guess I'm really upset the city decides.

J

To do this in the summer when many of us are on vacation, but that was a decision.

J

I would like to know a little bit more about the waterfront corner and what is on page 4 of 12.

J

And where um that is divided, because I guess I'm a little concerned about and questioning.

J

The frontage and the verbiage in there, in particular when it comes to waterfront.

J

Because in many cases we have a buffer zone that is not determined at all. In this.

J

And the other thing is we have public area at the low tide line of waterfront. So I guess there.

J

Needs to be some little clarification there on that particular part. um You know I I'm.

J

Really concerned about the height in portsmouth- and I have been all along- I'm concerned that.

J

When we want to look at portsmouth, you go to wmur. The first picture is a portsmouth. It's not of.

J

Downtown folks, it's not of the tall buildings, it's not of the large buildings, it's of the waterfront.

J

When you look at everything public that comes out of portsmouth, you look at the u.s information.

J

They put out about submarines coming to the base, it's all about the waterfront. It's about. That's.

J

The picture of portsmouth and I'm really worried that and I've seen it for years by nick and others.

J

In the city that our picture is changing and it's not there, I don't see any pictures of downtown.

J

In any of the the front of any commercial thing that goes out to look at portsmouth, so.

J

I have to question it: why isn't it there? Why aren't we taking a picture of the ac hotel.

J

And putting it on as our emblem as our information, it doesn't look right so in this.

J

um Zoning, you are making some decisions tonight and I know you're doing cleanup and I've heard.

J

Clean up all along, but there's some decisions made here about who's in charge, whether it's the hcc.

J

Or it's a planning board or the zoning board you're, making some decisions about height.

J

And what it will look like, and I guess my question is: what will portsmouth be.

J

How will we be different? Why will I want? Why do I want to come to portsmouth? Why do I want to be a.

J

Part of this environment, if it's going to all be big and bold out and have these large things and.

J

Look at bow street that's gone up, then. Why don't I just stay in boston, so you're you're, making.

J

Some life-altering decisions and I just ask you to really consider it and I really think you need to.

J

Look at the waterfront because I think there's some things wrong there. Thank you. Thank you.

L

Hello- everyone um I'm coming here and on behalf of a number of folks that are oh, your name and.

B

Name and address: oh I'm, sorry, kelly, orr and I'm 260 odin, point road and I'm here on behalf of a.

L

Number of the residents that are along that area, along with sagamore road, where there's a number.

L

Of condos that are going to be coming in not the golden egg side, but the other side we've had some.

L

Condos be put in, I know, there's an agreement now for 1169 1171, where there is an agreement.

L

To have a sidewalk put in front, but it's more, the sidewalk extending towards town and not the other.

L

Half which is going towards the edge of portsmouth- it's been in the budget for several years to have.

L

That full sidewalk be extended. um It is route 1a, a number of us, including a couple friends who.

L

Are here we walk as adults down this along with trying to navigate the cycling that comes through.

L

Going down to the beach and going to the beautiful newcastle area as well as we have a number of.

L

Children in the neighborhood, it's a very small portion, and we found that one of the condos that.

L

Was put in um in a closed door meeting, there was supposed to be a sidewalk put in on behalf of that.

L

Condo and something happened that it didn't happen so now that we have a few more condos coming in.

L

um In particular, they would be responsible- and I imagine not responsible for the whole.

L

Section, but this section at least in front of their whole frontage. That would also benefit.

L

Their condo owners, because there's a beautiful spot within tucker's cove, they could certainly.

L

Walk as well, but just the number of folks in the traffic that goes on both cycling children.

L

Adults walking it's precarious, it's also a big route for children going to portsmouth high school.

L

Portsmouth middle school and we want to make sure we protect those kids also, I know not supposed to.

L

Be jumping that bridge, but there's a number of kids also walking to go jump that bridge good.

L

Or bad, we just want to protect them. So, on behalf of you know, my neighbors, I know there's a letter.

L

That's going to be put through by our neighborhood, but I'm just hoping that could be considered.

L

When this condo comes in, in addition to make that extended area, it's been pushed by understanding.

L

Now to 2024.: let's just dip in the bud and protect the people. We can. Thank you so much.

B

Thank you. I guess I I didn't make myself clear. This first hearing is about.

B

The zoning amendments- oh I'm, sorry, we're new. I this is my first this first one, sorry about that.

B

Comment your comments, or we we heard you okay, this is about the zoning amendment, so anybody.

B

Else wish to speak about the zoning amendments. Your time was up anyway, but thank you. Thank you.

B

Anybody else wish to speak about the zoning amendments.

M

I want to be a second time speaker, so are you up to them yet I mean a second yeah. You can.

B

Be both I could be both all right, I'll go for it. My name is elizabeth bradder, property owner.

M

159, mcdonald's street. I hope you got a chance to read the public comments. I know there were.

M

You had over two thousand other pages to read, so thank you. If you did in the book, astronaut's guide.

M

To life on earth, colonel hadfield states, there is nothing more important than what you are doing now.

M

As you review these ordinances and changes to building heights for civic and municipal lots.

M

This is so very true, like everything in life, there may be many opinions and it is awful.

M

That often difficult to come up with reasonable solutions. What is most important to remember.

M

Is what the impact of those solutions are and can changes, stipulations or recommendations be made.

M

To address some of the open concerns, having read the proposed written ordinance changes.

M

And compared them to what exists, each one seems to clarify the many questions that have come up.

M

Regarding height from mansard roofs to adding grade, they are clearly prescribed and include.

M

Definitions which aid in understanding the details of the ordinances, please approve these as written.

M

The building heights standard maps changes are pretty straightforward.

M

The majority change the majority of the changes match what already exists. Some of the proposed.

M

Heights may need to be reviewed more closely, possibly changed, such as the back of saint epistol.

M

The saint john's episcopal church, the back of the hand of a garage and foundry place, foundry place.

M

Could be left as presented on the foundry garage side of the street and the opposite side of the.

M

Street could be lowered to blue for the entire street, possibly yellow with the stipulation that.

M

66 rock street, the heinemann lot all of hill street and the lower part of bridge street be.

M

Forwarded to the city council and ask that this entire area be sent to the land use committee.

M

For review of heights overlay districts and zoning with the time constraint to be sure they get done.

M

This area was notified in 2019 regarding zoning heights and overlay and was poised.

M

With realistic changes, therefore, the request for a time constraint.

M

It is my understanding that municipal knots lots will not be receiving cd4.

M

Due to the ordinance being different, if they are receiving cd4 zoning, they like the civic, lots.

M

May need to be looked at more closely because a lot of municipal lots are playgrounds and.

M

They are often in residential areas. I do want to clarify that the front of heinemann lot is.

M

Green and it only has the downtown overlay district on it,.

M

The back of the foundry of the of heinemann lot does front on foundry place.

M

It is above the probably 10 or 12 foot high piece of property owned by this city. Do I need to come.

M

Back for my ten two more minutes, if anybody else wishes to speak before you for the second round.

B

Any other first-round speakers.

B

Okay, go ahead; okay! Thank you. So, in regards to heinemann the front.

M

On hanover street is only in the downtown overlay district and if you look at page five.

M

Of what I submitted, it shows you that very clearly that the back side on foundry place.

M

Has both the north end overlead district, which allows a one-story height increase with community.

M

Space and it has the downtown overlay district. So therefore, the request to have foundry place.

M

Lowered on that side, until the whole issue with hill street can be resolved.

M

Please try to cover as much as possible by moving things forward, which seem positive.

M

And moving things forward with changes, stipulations or recommendations to keep the.

M

Positive changes and address those things left open for discussion. Thank you, I'm assuming that.

M

The civic districts are not going through today or you're going to vote on that. First, I understood.

M

I understood the civic jurisdictions were being recommended not to move through today. Is that.

M

Correct that's up for discussion. The board hasn't made a decision yet on that. Okay, so.

M

In that case, I just want to say that um that the civic districts, um the the four that I, the civic.

M

Districts in question for me, which sit in the cd4 l1 or mri road are ones, are the 43 middle street.

M

16 court street 40, 143 pleasant street and 200 state street and those are ones that I would want.

M

To have looked at um to have a different zoning than cd4, but otherwise the rest could stay. Cd4.

M

Because they match what's next to them. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you any other second time. Speakers.

J

Thank you for allowing me to speak a second time page trace 154 market street.

J

I can't thank you enough for looking at this. I understand the need to shore up the holes.

J

As you see them, but I'm standing here again and I'm saying please.

J

um To my mind, I can't speak for any other non-profit, any other national historic landmark.

J

All I can say is that, as the president of the nscdanh.

J

I am asking you, on behalf of an entire membership, to leave us alone.

J

I can't say it more firmly: we are good neighbors. Mr simcheck would say that we're good neighbors.

J

We have no problem with the height of his building at the moment as much as I can tell you, we will.

J

Not change the height of ours, nor will we build anything in our gardens that we're famous for.

J

They allow people to come and sit there on a hot day. We are also a good neighbor to the city.

J

In that we participate in children's day, we have educational programs, we contribute a lot to this.

J

City, despite the fact that many don't know who we are, we would welcome people to come and visit us.

J

Perhaps that would give some a greater idea of how important it is to us to maintain.

J

The direct view corridor straight down to the water I could pass away tomorrow. I could be hit.

J

By a bus, I'm sure some would be thrilled some would not. The fact of the matter is.

J

Sorry, if it happened, there's somebody to take my place and if the house burnt down.

J

God forbid, there is enough financial backing from the organization, both statewide and nationally.

J

That the house would be rebuilt to spec. There would always be a moff at lad house. We take our.

J

Charge very very seriously, and we don't I don't know how to say this other than we really.

J

Don't need someone putting in five lines now count them. All you need to do is put.

J

A few vertical lines and we could all be playing tic-tac-toe. um I can't say it more strongly. I am.

J

Asking you all very seriously to respect the fact that we are a national historic, landmark.

J

We are a state society, we are part of a larger 15 000 member organization.

J

And we are not going anywhere and as long as I'm alive, that house isn't going anywhere.

J

So please I'm asking please table it and leave us alone. Thank you. Thank you very much.

K

Hey triuta back again, okay, to continue with my first question, um also in the.

K

Planning board handbook chapter one or five working with other boards and organizations.

K

uh The main title of this is who's first.

K

A planning board may grant final approval on a project that, by a panel, a planning board may not.

K

Grant final approval on a project that violates the ordinance either the planning board or the zba.

K

Could grant a conditional approval, however, as a practical matter, it is generally makes more sense.

K

To suggest that the applicant obtain the necessary approval from the zba.

K

To seek planning border approval. Consequently, it is often more economical for a developer to seek.

K

Eba, approval first and then proceed with the engineering and go to the planning board.

K

So I guess I would ask you once I get the answer to my first question: why are so many developers.

K

That we see the projects coming forward now going through the hdc first, because that's that was the.

K

Main crux of my my question, my next thing that I want to ask you is: why isn't the discussion on.

K

Phase three, the incentive amendments uh put in with this, that the incentive amendments are all.

K

About height so adjusting the incentives to make something higher, with an emphasis on workforce.

K

Housing only would be a no-brainer. This is an easy way. All you have to do is delete the community.

K

Space incentive and leave in the leave in the uh adjustment for workforce housing, and these would.

K

All go together. I guess that would in my mind that would save you a lot of time. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Since this is a zoning matter, I'm going to answer that question about the hdc.

B

And if I misspeak, you can correct me, the htc has the authority to they have more discretion than.

B

The planning board does the planning board can allow up to the maximum the developers proposing.

B

And there are conditional use permits, would have some discretion, but otherwise there's.

B

Little discretion in the zoning ordinance the hcc is different and that language, that is in the.

B

Amendment just basically makes explicit what the authority they already have.

B

Because they can say, even though you theoretically could build a 50 foot tall building, if the hdc.

B

Hdc says 35 feet or 34 and a half that's what it says that that's one of the reasons. I think why.

B

Developers go to the htc first because they have more authority in the historic districts.

B

I would just add to that. I think a really simple way of answering that is that the planning board.

H

In the absence of any design review, criteria which you do not have, the planning board does.

H

Horizontal construction and the hdc does vertical and there there's a firewall between them. There is.

H

Nothing in the site plan review regulations that dictate the scale mass and volume of the building.

H

Footprint aside and utilities, the hdc, when you're in the historic district, has full design review so.

H

You think a foundry place, you think, a heinemann, you think of the two buildings I I spoke about.

H

The hotel and the mixed use building, on the left hand, side going up to hill street. Those are both.

H

Outside the historic district, there was no design review done on those buildings. They have to beat.

H

The height requirements, but there's no htc to even say, hey, make that a little bit shorter.

H

In contrast to the other two lots that the same owner owned where wells fargo on the bank is so.

H

The historic district is really important until we have till such time as the plenty board has.

H

Design guidelines for properties outside the district, we don't have anything, that's why the.

H

West end yards looks the way it does. That's why cinemagic looks the way it does. It's not something.

H

That we have teeth in our ordinances to talk about the aesthetic impacts of some of these.

H

Developments that may or may not fit in so um I just wanted to make another couple of comments.

H

If I could to respond to some of the questions, I I think it's important for people to realize.

H

In respect to the civic properties, so we've been here for about 400 years in the first 300 years,.

H

There were no regulations on pretty much anything. There was no zoning you, you could build whatever.

H

You could you could pull off from the 1920s to almost the 2020s. Every property had dimensional.

H

Guardrails had requirements, including all the civic properties, including these nine.

H

Including all the churches and civic buildings that are not in the downtown, they still have.

H

Height restrictions, they have setbacks, they have dimensional controls. So if you think of the church.

H

On woodbury, you think of the churches on lafayette they're, not in the the uh the civic districts.

H

Because they're not in a character district zone but those churches, those museums, have.

H

Height restrictions have setbacks, and all nine of these properties had them for a hundred years.

H

The cbb, which was the central business district b, was a 60-foot maximum and had open space.

H

Requirements and setbacks that all disappeared when we adopted the character-based zoning in 2013.

H

Downtown 2014 in the north end, so it's important to recognize. There was a hundred year time frame.

H

Here, where everybody had guard rails on what they could or couldn't do on their property.

H

So uh we don't currently have any of those restrictions today since 2014 and the idea here.

H

Was to have a conversation about it and see if there's a need to do it for those properties uh in.

H

Respect to I want everybody to understand addicts. You heard some discussion of dormers anything.

H

Under a pitched roof is not a story, and that's very clear in here. If you're in a gable, you're.

H

In a mansard you're in a hip top you're, you've got dormers just because you have living space, doesn't.

H

Make it a story, it's very clear in the current definitions, not what we're changing that those.

H

Do not fit within the maximum two three or four or five story. Buildings you're allowed to put.

H

Things on top, if they're in a pitched roof or a penthouse, if it's recessed from from the edge.

H

We weren't proposing the cd4 to be used for any of the municipal properties. It's only the.

H

Building heights- and it's only a guideline for the city: should the city ever develop any of.

H

Those parcels in the future it would at least right now they're fully exempt. There are no.

H

uh Caps on height or the build out of a municipal property, so these are intended to be guidelines.

H

To offer the community some and and the the people that make decisions on surplusing any of that.

H

Property in the future to give them some sense of what what a reasonable building height might be. If.

H

Any of those were to you know, parking lots to be converted into whatever they are yeah buildings.

H

I think I'm just about done sorry.

H

The waterfront last one, the waterfront, that was a question raised about.

H

What's up with the waterfront, we are only clarifying.

H

That we're building heights are assigned to the waterfront which they are in the west end.

H

And they are in the north end, there are building heights along the pond and many.

H

Rains, ave green street all these properties that go from rains, ave or green street to the water.

H

They have building heights that are on the water and building heights on the street, so they they.

H

Have to look at the code and we have to look at the code and be able to readily discern which.

H

Of the two heights applies and to what portion of the property, so the waterfront uh language.

H

Is in here, but it's just to uh clarify, what's already on the books in respect to properties.

H

That are on both streets and waterfronts. There's no change in any of the building.

H

Heights along the water- okay, thank you for that. Any other members of the public wish to speak.

J

Esther kennedy 41 figuring out and since I brought up the waterfront, um I guess what.

J

I was questioning was where was the information and inclusive of that when you're talking about.

J

Like they said, the front frontage can be the front yard where's the setbacks.

J

Where's the net, the honor that the fact that the state really controls some of the waterfront.

J

um And where's our buffer zone, so those those are my questions. um I I want to support what.

J

Paige trey said as someone that is uh looking to become a member of the organization.

J

I really want us to keep our historical perspectives. I've said that numerous.

J

Times up here, and I will continue to say that at one point in 1992.

J

When I went to get for my first permit on barley street, I had to go to historical b at that point.

J

We had historical a and we had historical b. um You know, I guess the question I have and- and I know.

J

Nick just explained that um this is adding things, and this is kind of looking at controls.

J

Of things, and- and I don't see it that way, so I guess I would like to know where that all.

J

Fits in in this new plan, where does the protection of our city fit into this plan?.

J

And lastly, um as we're we're looking at um making some changes and looking at.

J

Clean up, I heard that well, when are we going to clean up the parking.

J

Issues when is that going to come into the plan? What is that going to be talked about that you.

J

When you build something, you have to have parking for it, that's not in this plant folks and if we're.

J

Doing some tidying up, I think that would be the first thing we would tidy up in our city.

J

Is really looking at what is parking me as we build and we decide to build huge buildings.

J

And destroy our historical character, so I would hope that, as you um talk and and.

J

Contemplate tonight you think about those things, because right now I see that as a big dilemma.

J

Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment is everybody on zoom stephanie.

B

Last call on public comment.

B

I'm going to close the public hearing, it's up to the board now to have a conversation.

N

Mr chair, uh if I could I I I listened to a lot of comments tonight and I I feel like um I feel.

N

Like the matter before us has been so over complicated to be honest with you, there's a.

N

Lot of discussion that's been had. That has nothing to do with the decisions we're making tonight.

N

The consideration of destroying our historic district is not what we're considering tonight.

N

And the talk of waterfront buildings um is a bit off out of lane as well. Tonight, it's.

N

The tallest buildings in our in our city on the siri street side are waterfront buildings.

N

They're the tallest buildings in our city, in some cases, they're taller than port, walk.

N

And it's it speaks to the uh the fact that the quality of a building is far more important than.

N

You know and then it's high consideration and most of what I'm seeing tonight, that's.

N

Presented to us is um is, in fact clarification and cleanup. It's not I'm not seeing any major.

N

Pieces that are threatening the character of our city- I really don't see it and.

N

Maybe there's something I'm not seeing that I need to be convinced, but I I see that we've reacted to.

N

um You know nick went through several points that are in reaction to several comments made.

N

In past meetings, I mean we've seen this presentation several times several times.

N

Before we're not seeing new information, we have we have letters from residents that prove to me that.

N

It is understandable we have, we have a letter in front of us that has several pages and.

N

Which proves to me that this is understandable. This is understandable to our community.

N

And to our boards- and I I don't think that um that we need to overthink this.

N

My my opinion I just had to get out after I what I heard a lot of the comments, uh basically tied.

B

Back into what we first started talking about was regulatory changes and master plan work.

B

That I, I think, a lot of those comments relate to that. So any other comments about what.

B

We're looking at our zoning amendments, yes, can I make a motion? Is the board I.

B

Want to make sure that, should we make a moment, we can talk sure go ahead, I figured it would move the.

G

Conversation a lot. Yes, you may make a motion. um I make a motion that we move to recommend to city.

G

Council uh the changes as we have been talking about with the let me put on my glasses here.

G

With the additional changes since the work session, so the cemeteries, the decorative railings.

G

um I think that's included in the decorative brands. Yes, and if I have a second, then.

B

Is there a second a second discussion? um Yeah I mean I I feel like I've been looking at this.

G

Phase one for a really long time- um and I think it's gone through a lot of changes and updates.

G

um There's been a suggestion to take out civic districts and I have no objection to that. But.

G

In order to get this conversation going, I wanted to actually make a motion so that we could talk.

G

About it, um you know the civic districts were we thought, as nick has pointed out, you know after one.

G

Historic property came to us and we realized we hadn't remembered to give them any sort of.

G

Design stands, but we can table it and talk about it later. It wasn't key to what we were trying to.

G

Do which was just um make some changes that made sense because of the way projects have.

G

Come forward so adjusting the infill and where we're you know, those were the important things so.

G

I would like to see it move forward if um you know if we want to remove the civic districts.

G

I have no heartburn over that. We can look at that and put it back into the rotation of.

G

All the other things that we do have lined up and a lot of things that were brought up tonight.

G

Are in queue to be looked at, we have actually a very long list that goes beyond even the work plan.

G

um That we have in place now we're already talking about what gets added to that.

G

So we have a lot of the things that everyone's talking about.

G

In our radar and we're going to be looking at it, but because of there are only so many of us.

G

And there is only so much staff capacity and we are a very busy city, so we do have to take.

G

These one small chunk at a time and that's what we're trying to do so, I'm hoping to move this.

G

One forward, because very soon, you're going to be seeing the changes to the adus coming up rapidly.

C

Yeah um I first I'm going to make a couple comments.

C

And um then I'm going to disagree with you beth, because on your in your position, because.

C

I I I feel that the reason that we are talking about revisiting the master plan is because.

C

Now we're scrambling in a way. That is like the cart before the horse. I feel like. I know that the.

C

Master plan is our city-wide vision and should be driving. All of the development should be driving.

C

What the building heights are, we should have been able to do this exercise before the buildings were.

C

Built that are now five stories high and or with you know, half story penthouses, which I.

C

Don't know when that came into the city, but all of a sudden everybody's got a penthouse, um so I.

C

I am going to repeat what I've said many times in these planning board meetings, which is.

C

With the land use committee per the city council's decision to come in with a specific.

C

Agenda, whether that, whether it's clean up, however, you want to characterize it that.

C

Then pulls the planning board into those specific issues instead of doing what we are mandated to do.

C

Which is make sure our master plan is real, with full public input is really.

C

Guiding the changes and even the revisions and refinements that we're talking about if this is.

C

So minor, let it wait until we've revisited these issues in the master plan. Number two.

C

With regards to the waterfront comments, I think building heights and waterfront are intimately.

C

Related, I think it's totally relevant in this discussion. If you have a high building height.

C

You're going to block so much of the public view to waterfronts as a min at a minimum, and one thing.

C

That is stated clearly in our master plan is that public views and actual literal walking public.

C

Access be maximized in this town, so I don't think that it's irrelevant at all. um So on that note.

C

um I'm I'm really distressed that we are doing this after all. These buildings are already built.

C

I think we should definitely revisit the incentives um that the city offers, because I don't.

C

Think the city has really benefited from getting all of this additional height and mass and scale.

C

So at a minimum I think we should take the civic properties out of this discussion for now.

C

Otherwise, I'll just vote no on all of it.

C

And I reluctantly will vote yes on what is seen as a cleanup, because we are doing this backwards.

B

A point of clarification on this one particular thing: the city council asked the planning board to.

B

Look at this set we're looking at tonight. This isn't a land use committee document. This was.

B

Something the city council asked this board to do, and this board has been working with staff to try.

B

To do that, I think there's there's some tension about the land use committee. I understand that.

B

um There's cross-pollination, I guess that's the word between the planning board and the land use.

B

Committee, but it is what it is, and it is trying to do a lot of the things we've been talking about.

B

One of the reasons we had the first item on the agenda was so this board could do more itself.

B

And that requires time and effort by us. You know I've suggested it a few times at the end of.

B

Meetings and didn't get anybody signing on because it was late and people were tired. So that's one of.

B

The reasons we put it at the beginning of the meeting just so we could have this conversation.

B

I will suggest- and it's only a suggestion in the spirit of cooperation we try to advance.

B

This to the council, because it really is cleanup what we're talking about tonight.

B

It's not the big issues. The big issues are things we need to look at.

B

They were looked at once before, what's been, built has been built in conformance of the.

B

Zoning ordinance that was done in accordance with the master plan that followed a process.

B

That we can do again because times change people change, cities, change. You need to look at these.

B

Things what's the current feeling of the people of the city of portsmouth, I don't know we won't.

B

Know until we have public input, our planning director is a master mistress, whatever she's.

B

She's very good at public input and we will have that process going. But this really is not.

B

Believe me, I've looked at this in extreme detail. That's why I support.

B

Taking the civic out, this is not doing anything to damage the city. I feel very strong about this.

B

City is that everybody sitting at this dais does. This is a good thing and it shows the spirit of.

B

Cooperation with the council, we have to work with there's a lot. We have to do with them. I'll stop.

N

Very very well said chairman uh as this um as the the individual who seconded the motion. Could I.

N

Amend is it possible to amend uh to remove the civic consideration from the decision you can.

B

Propose that um I proposed it, I just wanted us to have a discussion before we actually did it right.

G

I have no problem pulling it out and re-looking at it, so that was a proposed to remove it and you've.

B

Agreed to that, so we have a revised right, as is with the changes, less the civic district changes.

B

And but I didn't want to stop conversation.

B

That was not my intent, so nor was it mine yeah. I didn't take it that way. So I'm pleased anybody.

B

Who wishes to speak? I just I. I really feel. As I said, I won't say anymore. Who else wants to? Yes, jim.

D

I'd like first to thank nick for the work on this. I know it's been long and I really appreciate him.

D

Changing things when people give him information, that's uh that's always a good thing to do.

D

And I I like the chair, I think this is a good idea in general. Obviously, no one's perfect.

D

These regulations weren't perfect when they're created. So it's good that we come back and clean.

D

Clean them up once in a while. Unfortunately, there are just a couple items. I can't agree to.

D

The vast majority of its is a good product, but what's giving me heartburn is the high.

D

Haven, court, height adjustment. I know it's not a big deal. It's it's pretty minor in the big scheme.

D

Of things, and if this had come up three years ago, it probably wouldn't be an issue for me, but.

D

There's an active project there and I think it's really bad optics for the city to.

D

Change zoning in the middle of an application, especially when the zba is already denied it so.

D

That's why I can't support that change and my second.

D

My second issue is with gsa lot 2.. I understand that's in very complicated legal proceedings.

D

And uh which that whole deal may fall apart with regard to what dsa got.

D

For the park and therefore I'd rather leave that property alone, and I think it may give.

D

The city a stronger negotiating hand, if that part doesn't have as if it's just left, with no height.

D

And therefore, I think the vast majority of the city would rather have that be a park than not so.

D

If the motion goes forward, as is I'll, be voting no based on those two items.

B

Thank you. Anybody else.

B

So that it's clear, taking cd taking civic out includes the paragraph about cd4 and the height.

B

Designations on the map- yes, correct, yes, are we ready for a vote because people want to talk more.

A

Can you just clarify what exactly we are voting for the package as presented by mr crocknell.

B

With removing the civic properties from the height map and the paragraph I can find it.

B

This talks about using cd4 designation for building placement on civic properties and.

A

So there will be a second vote to follow for the it's all together and we added the cemeteries and.

G

The decorative railings it would be removing um item 7a on page four. Is that correct, nick.

B

I want everybody clear on what we're talking about. Do you understand it now, so it is to vote on the.

A

Height changes as the packet was presented, with the stipulations presented by beth by and taking.

B

The civic out correct, before the nine properties that nick showed on the map on the screen.

B

I don't see any hands raised. We have a motion, a second.

B

Everybody in favor of the motion, aye aye, aye aye, opposed no, no.

B

Motion carries seven to two.

B

Thank you and thank you, everybody for their comments.

A

Counselor chairman excuse me. Yes, I just wanted to let you know. I abstain from that vote.

B

Well, I I thought I heard you say I guess I didn't hear you, okay, my bad, so it's.

B

Six to two with one abstention. Thank you.

B

Next item the agenda's: approval of the minutes, everybody had a chance to look at those.

L

Make a motion to approve the minutes. Second, any.

E

Are discussion good, those in favor, aye, aye, aye, aye,.

B

Any opposed motion carries minutes, pass.

B

We need determination, completeness completeness. The first one is requested of christopher h,.

B

Garrett, revocable trust in 2007 as honor and applicant for property at 1299, islington street.

B

Requesting culinary final substitution approval to subdivide one existing lot into two lots.

G

So moved second, any discussion, all those in favor aye, aye, aye, aye aye, opposed step to this complete.

B

We have four site plan matters for acceptance, I'll read them through requested. This is proposed as.

B

One vote can we do one vote to accept all four okay request of hca realty inc as owner and.

B

Forces regional hospitals, applicant for property located at 444, borthwick avenue, formerly zero.

B

Boardwalk avenue requesting site plan approval for the construction of the satellite parking lot.

B

Next is request to sagamore group llc owner for properties located at 1169, sagamore avenue and.

B

1171 sagamore avenue requesting site plan and review approval to demolish existing buildings.

B

And construct 10 living units. The third is the request of road to west llc as owner applicant.

B

For property, located 140 west road requesting amended site plan approval to improve and install.

B

Storm water infrastructure relocate dumpsters, install landscaping and increase parking. Fourth,.

B

Is request of lonzo biologic is applicant for property located 101 international drive within.

B

The peace development authority requesting a site plan review approval under chapter 400, appease.

B

Land use controls for a cafe expansion. Have a motion to accept those four is complete, so moved.

E

Second, all those in favor aye, aye aye, opposed they are all accepted.

B

First hearing public hearing we have a request of hca realty inc as owner and portsmouth regional.

B

Hospitals applicant for property at 444, borthwick avenue, formerly zero, borthwick avenue requesting.

B

Site plan review approval for the construction of satellite parking lot consisting of 501.

B

Spaces and associated on-site improvements to support the existing hospital facilities.

B

Currently serviced by 783 parking spaces, this property is on assessors map, 234 lot 7-4 a and is.

B

Located in the office, research, district, lu, 22-47 who's here to speak to this application tonight,.

O

Thank you good evening. Thank you, mr chairman. Members of the board, I'm patrick crimmins, with.

O

Time bond here on behalf of the applicant um portsmouth hospital, also hearing me.

O

With me, this evening is matt larkin, the chief operating officer of portsmouth hospital.

O

uh We are, I will try to be brief, given the time already this evening and the number of.

O

Applications behind me, we are here this evening seeking approval for a satellite.

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Parking lot that is located across the street from portsmouth hospital on a vacant piece of land.

O

As you can see here, the existing hospital um is this gonna work. There we go situated 333.

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Boerthwick our site sits right here, which is now 444, borthwick avenue. um The existing uh excuse me.

O

The existing parcel, as you can see, is located at the corner of elaine dondero, foley boulevard and.

O

Fourth, look avenue: it's also bound by unitel behind it to the south and another parcel of.

O

Wetlands to the east, um you could stay on that slide for one sec steph. So the purpose of this.

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Project is is what it is. It's a satellite parking lot expansion, um as you can see by this graphic.

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Portsmouth hospital currently has 783 parking spaces on its site, which is woefully short of.

O

What is needed for parking on the site? I think for anybody that has visited this hospital during.

O

Peak hour can attest to that. So what we're doing is we're here seeking.

O

Requests for a satellite parking lot on the parcel across the street so that we can.

O

Meet the hospital's current needs and also hopefully, plan for uh growing services provided.

O

By the hospital similar to the ed expansion that you guys approved last month, next slide stuff.

O

So this is a challenging site uh is hindered by a number of things, um one being a large.

O

Wetland which you can see here, um it's also hindered by an overhead utility easement, which.

O

Between those and building setbacks make this a very challenging site to develop.

O

In fact, back in 2008, we attempted to do so with a medical office building on this site.

O

We, in fact, even got state approvals for drainage, but we did not. We stopped the process when we hit.

O

The concom and realized the challenges that we were going to meet between the buffer impacts.

O

And the white one impacts so really the site, it's so challenged with for development. This is might.

O

Be the only appropriate use that could be used on this site, as is now obviously, if you move things.

O

Did something differently sought wetland impact and buffer improvements? That'd be different, but.

O

So what we're here doing is seeking it's a 501 space parking lot. That'll bring the.

O

Total count uh to eleven hundred and sorry yeah eleven hundred fifty two spaces, I'm.

O

Sorry, the minimum required parking spaces for the hospital is 11.52 and what we're proposing.

O

To do is add on to the 780 through 500 and one more spaces. So what we have here is two.

O

Curb cuts, one being off of lane dander foley boulevard, one off borthwick avenue.

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The site itself situated here you can see. There's this larger parking area.

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uh Drive here and a smaller parking area, I think you can see from looking at the way that this is.

O

Designed that we've worked very carefully to avoid buffer impacts so that we did not have.

O

To seek into a conditional use department, uh the project is going to require wetland impacts.

O

To two pocket wetlands, one being this man-made wetland that sits within the existing eversource.

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Right-Of-Way, it was created over time through eversource vegetation treatment and grading and.

O

When they um up improved the power line several years ago and then there's another wetland here,.

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Smaller pocket well in here where we have a much smaller impact, that is from a culvert that crosses.

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The street again it's man-made, but again we are avoiding the larger, more valuable welding and.

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It's in buffer, I should add that not only are we avoiding that buffer, we are significantly.

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Improving it, we are proposing over 19 000 square feet of buffer enhancement plantings within that.

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Buffer to mitigate the impacts to the man-made low-value island that sits up along the roadway.

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You'll, probably wonder: why are we not doing this on the existing hospital lot? We can. There is a.

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385 foot power line easement that crosses through the middle of the parking lot. So we cannot build a.

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Structure up, we cannot build around the hospital because we are impacted by wetlands. It basically.

O

Sits on an island so unless those power lines get moved, the hospital is very limited in where they.

O

Can go? That's why we're looking at this parcel across the street, which they also own and also.

O

Is hindered for the ability to develop buildings on it, so it's appropriate for the parking and.

O

The rock proximity to the hospital we've provided pedestrian connections throughout including this.

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Pathway which, when you look at the landscape, it will be heavily landscaped. We are providing dark.

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Sky compliant lighting throughout there will be electric vehicle charging stations located here.

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There will be a shuttle station located in this location. The shuttle will be running.

O

All day for employees, the intent for this parking lot is for employees so that patients.

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And their families have more opportunity to park in the park in the main parking area.

O

In addition to the parking lot itself, we are providing a significant public.

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Improvement in the form of over 1300 linear feet of multi-use path.

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Back when I designed this road, I think beth, you might be the only one that was on the board at.

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The time um we worked very carefully with um the planning department and the traffic engineer at.

O

That time to design this multi-use path that connects down to the rail to trail and also.

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Connects out to islington street this path will become another piece of that and ultimately, when.

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Completed all the way down, borthick will tie into the west end yards leading to the north mill pond.

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Trail, so it is a vital piece of that connection from downtown to the rail to trail project.

O

If you want to go to the next slide, please the project's going to provide significant.

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Storm water improvements we are proposing, you can see, there's two large detention areas.

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In this location and in this location, there will also be treatment, units advanced treatment units.

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Treating the storm water and we're also providing while the site is very limited in where we can.

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Provide infiltration we did find one spot in this bottom corner to provide infiltration to.

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Meet state standards, the stormwater itself has been reviewed extensively. It has gone through a.

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Peer review process, both the city of portsmouth, we actually received comments today. That was.

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Our third letter, I believed we've had a good review process with altus. They did have. I think.

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We've addressed almost everything or partially addressed, as maybe three or four outstanding.

O

Comments that we're confident that we can address, I think, that's reflected in your staff memo.

O

We're confident it's basically just relating to the modeling and how agreeing how to model the.

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Stormwater but I don't think it's going to have any impact on the design whatsoever. In addition,.

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This project will require an alteration of terrain permit. It is being reviewed by the state.

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We, in fact, review received those comments from the state. Today we have received four.

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Small comments we've already addressed them, so we will be submitting that package tomorrow. We're.

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Anticipating a permit early next week from nhdes, so this stormwater has been reviewed extensively.

O

Next slide, please utility plan very basic, not much utilities, it's just really electric pulling in for.

O

The power in the ev charging stations next slide. Please, and this is the landscape plan. You can see.

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Providing landscaping all throughout the parking lot and then through the meandering path,.

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I should have mentioned with this path. We are installing.

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A rapid flashing beacon for safety for crossing the street, we're basically mirroring the condition.

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That's down the street at liberty; mutual so that it's safe for pedestrians to cross the street and.

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Identity vehicles that this is a crossing, but you can see here parking landscaping throughout the.

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Parking lot complying with site plan regulations and I think, even more importantly, this really.

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Reflects the significant buffer enhancement that we're proposing we've been to attack three times.

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We received approval attack in june with stipulations. We included a stipulation status.

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Report, I won't go through those in detail. I think the staff memo reflected that we addressed most.

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With the exception, probably of we still had the peer review ongoing and we still have it ongoing.

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It's but very minor comments left. We did read the staff report, we don't take any exception.

O

With the stipulations and with that, I'm happy to take questions, questions of the applicant.

B

Yes, can I ask for consideration of other parking availability? I know in previous conversations the.

K

Use of liberty, mutuals parking lot has come up. Can you just talk to speak to why that.

K

Is or is not an option? Larry mutual's parking the adjacent parking lot. Perhaps that's a matte.

K

Question yes, so I'll have matt come on matt larkin, chief operating officer from portsmouth hospital.

P

Hi board I'm matt larkin chief operating officer of portsmouth current. Thank you for the question.

P

um Right, we have talked to the liberty mutual a couple times, but they have not given us the option.

P

To park there, and so we've really chosen to on our own land, go back and make those parking spaces for.

P

Our employees, so we can get our patients closer to the hospital, so we have tried that already, but.

P

That's not been an option for us. Thank you. Excuse me, mr larkin. um I'm really interested in this.

D

uh Liberty mutual option, because uh even before cove, they have about a thousand spaces out there.

D

I believe- and it's rarely I might see a hundred cars in there even before covet and um have do you.

D

Have anything in writing as a formal request been made to liberty mutual, because it just seems to me.

D

Such a waste that that portsmouth hospital is being forced to build this parking when.

D

They filled six acres of prime wetlands in the 80s and they're not being used, and it.

D

Just to me is an eco-municipality and our master plan talks about low-impact development that.

D

uh It really concerns me that that this option can't go forward, and I we can't make you obviously.

D

Liberty mutual doesn't want to play ball, then they don't want to play ball, but.

D

I I it's really hard to watch this being built when I drive by and that parking lot's empty.

P

Yeah, it's fair. I I can't speak for their decisions. uh Thus it's hard for me to really answer that.

P

That well, um besides the fact that we have tried, we have had conversations- and you know from a.

P

Project perspective, we really focus on what we own what we can control to be honest with you to make.

P

This as quick as we can to serve the community, so I probably have the best answer for you, but that's.

D

I understand, but I just had to follow up on that, to make sure that that you're satisfied that every.

D

Option has been made to try to use that parking lot. So thank you. Any other questions. Yes, andrew.

B

Mr larkin, uh this question is actually for you as well, and you just alluded to it: hca.

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Is a participant in this community and they serve this community and it's excellent and obviously.

A

We're very fortunate for that, but as much as hca is local they're also not based here entirely.

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So as residents and community participants as well, both this board and the people in the room.

A

We have a renewable energy policy that was enacted by the city council.

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In 2017 and one of the main core levels of that is focusing on municipal users,.

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Or residences businesses etc to achieve net zero energy and exceed kind of adventure and explore.

A

Alternative energy sources, so if there is an opportunity to receive a property tax abatement.

A

On this property or for the hospital itself, would you consider doing a solar canopy on this lot.

P

Depending on the size and the scope of it, I really couldn't answer that right now, without talking to.

P

Patrick and the team, but look I mean I think we all want the hospital to remain and things.

A

Like such a power, consumption of that area is great. However, we can't really just continue to.

A

Improve these asphalt fields and and not really work towards this renewable energy. They.

A

Counterbalance each other and that's not helpful for anyone so we'd like to at least propose that.

A

And and explore that together, um I think just to achieve a lot more of these initiatives.

B

Understood yes, jane yeah. I just have a couple questions. um The first one is: can you.

C

Can you just explain to me again why you can't build upwards like have a.

C

Parking garage is that, due to the utility lines, steph, do you go back to that aerial site plan.

O

Yeah, that's exactly it! The high power transmission line that comes directly through the parking lot.

O

Right here it pretty much hinders the entire parking lot. It's 385 feet wide. We can't build.

O

Anything up, the only thing we can do is actually have parking there, and then the hospital itself is.

O

Surrounded on all sides by wetlands, so we don't have the opportunity to expand outward.

O

So it's it's hindered, it has no ability to go up.

C

Just it seems too bad. It seems like that would be something that you thought about when you.

C

Originally designed the hospital to me but okay um and then my other comments are you have a.

C

Very small snow storage area um is it sufficient and how will you determine that whatever is used.

C

To prevent, like de-icing materials, etc, don't in any way further pollute wetlands. Yes, it is.

O

Sufficient um and also there, I think, there's notations on the notes about.

O

Snow management and when they exceed a certain height that they have to be hauled off site.

O

It's it's going to be similar to the operation of portsmouth hospital across the street.

O

Where they, they need to keep an open field so that there's enough parking sufficient and that they're.

O

Not impacting it with respect to salt storage treatments, it's all explicitly um they're very.

O

Well, guidelined: we have a whole operation and maintenance plan that was included in the.

O

Stormwater uh study analysis, but that's in that just that one piece of snow banks is sufficient.

C

For storage of the snow across the entire parking lot, it's it's actually an entire aisle of parking.

O

Because we exceed that, it's that whole aisle parking that is just below the.

O

The ada spaces there and then yes, there's another area on the smaller parking lot. We.

O

We feel that that is going to be sufficient and again if it exceeds or hinders any other beyond.

O

That area it has to be hauled off site. um My other question is about the um ev chargers. Are.

C

Those going to be superchargers or what are those exactly. I don't know that answer. um I.

O

Don't know if matt does either we're just trying to designate a placeholder that neither of that.

O

Is our expertise but we're just trying to hold a placeholder for electric vehicle charging stations.

C

Because there's a big difference in you know ability to charge.

O

I'm not really familiar with it truthfully, so I can't answer that question.

C

um And then my last question is about um yes, there's a lot of shrubs in your landscaping.

C

Plan along that multi-use trail, but is there any way to have some actual trees.

C

So that borthwick avenue has a chance of looking more like a boulevard like a tree-lined boulevard.

C

Than it currently does, which is just open parking spaces and huge massive buildings.

O

uh So there's a few things well, the biggest reason for that is where I know what you're.

O

Speaking of it's probably out of the curve here, where it's just shrubs right along here.

O

Yep, it's um it's all rock. It's all bedrock! So you're not going to get there's going to.

O

Be no tree health there. So that's why we're just trying to plant low ground plantings, but also it.

O

It's to make sure that the the path itself is also visible for safety.

E

B

One second, yes jim, uh mr grimms, um I'm just curious about.

D

How this, uh maybe it's not a sudden demand, but maybe it's just been a gradual demand of parking.

D

Over the years, I understand the hospitals built in the mid 80s. Is that close, yes, 2:00:39.360,1193:02:47.295 and not.

D

Guess is the available way to describe it. There was.

O

There was an addition in the late 2000s. I I don't know if it was at the time the ordinance.

O

Didn't have the same demand for parking or if we were shy, I can't recall truthfully.

O

um But that would be the one large expansion- I guess that did occur.

D

Okay again, it's just curious again how, but I guess I guess, I'm just thinking even practically, if.

O

Anybody's driven to this hospital during peak time, it's oh, I understand the need. I'm just curious.

D

About how it came out yeah, I think you know to your point. We did. There was an expansion in the.

O

Late 2000s, maybe no parking was included as part of that. Well, there's no place to put parking right.

O

uh There was small areas of parking expanded in the back loading area along the edge of.

O

Pave there were parallel parking spaces and in like which were meant for employees. Basically, we.

O

Tried to squeeze in spots where we could, I think we actually used porous, paving or something in.

O

That area it failed because of the trucks that went through there. It ultimately had to go, but.

O

um Yeah there wasn't any parking added as part of that that was more of a vertical expansion.

D

Okay, now will this the current amount of parking with this edition? Will that serve your current.

D

Needs, or has there been a buffer included for expansions of the hospital uh it will serve the.

O

Current need um and then yes, the the idea is to build the little bit of additional parking that.

O

We can to uh service any future expansion so that, if and when you know, while we're not ex we're, not.

O

Getting to the max parking at all, we're kind of like right in the middle between the min and max.

O

But we are trying to plan for any future services similar to the ed expansion that was.

O

um Brought before you folks last month, you know. Obviously I said it's really challenging.

O

To expand on the site, they can really only go vertical within the existing footprint.

O

Which also is challenging given structural implications, but perhaps if they did any.

O

Retrofitting within the hospital they added beds, they could have these additional parking.

O

Spaces to support that so when they go for the building permits, they comply with parking.

D

Okay, thank you andrew and then yeah again back to mr larkin.

A

um Does portsmouth regional hospital use any alternative energy resources now well,.

P

We're starting we're starting actually in our operating rooms, to do a lot of kind of reusable.

P

And but generally speaking, we don't have a master plan for that which.

P

We will so there are no kind of initiatives to implement any renewable energies. There's lighting.

P

Initiatives and things like that, especially on our new buildings, like the radiation oncology, one.

P

Patrick mentioned in our expanded icu, so we do all the new buildings we do. It's the existing.

P

Plant, that's right! That's a little bit older that we're still trying to work through yeah. I just.

A

Would love to see some sort of initiative and at least effort towards that as uh again, we've just.

A

Saw another proposal from you all to do another edition and a lot of these things take a lot of.

A

Energy consumption, and so on top of just having an asphalt field in the middle of portsmouth we'd.

A

Like to at least make it a productive one, we are constrained by our regulations, so you know, I think.

B

Yeah point point point well taken definitely taken. That's all. I got yesterday um back to like your.

C

um Your possible expansion, so if you had further need how much does the hospital does the hospital.

C

Own, like lots more land like you, could come back to us in like five years and request another 500.

C

Spaces is there like adequate acreage there for that? uh No there's, uh so the hospital doesn't.

O

Have any more land, it's the main campus across the street in this, which obviously you can see.

O

To the extent we are building with by avoiding the wetlands and the buffer impacts um and then across.

O

The street: it's it's on an island, so the only way for them to really expand. Without you know kind of.

O

Fitting up or doing the small expansion similar last month, those power lines have to get moved.

C

That that's I keep wondering I will have you.

C

Talk to everyone: yes, we have had extensive conversations with eversource about moving.

O

Those power lines and what the costs would be and the implications and it's going to take.

O

A number of years, serious dollars and big wetland impacts to do so.

B

And that's probably an understatement. That is an understatement, and that is why we are doing this.

O

Here you know back to the question of trees too. Not to you know, hit a dead horse here, but.

C

You do realize this entire area was forested like 40 years ago, so to go from that. To you know the.

C

Specter of you know just asphalt parking spaces with you know a small building on the south side.

C

Of the street and large massive buildings on the north side of the street, it's it's not good. It's.

C

Not good to the environment, and here we are with over 9 000 square feet of wetland involvement.

C

It's it's not something I like voting yes on at all. I don't agree with any.

C

Of the principles behind it. So. But because because of the one condition that you don't.

C

Find that there's no other appropriate place for the size of this parking lot to be built.

C

I feel like I will be back-ended into a yes, it's a very reluctant. Yes,.

B

Any other questions of the applicant.

B

Thank you, gonna open the public hearing.

B

Does anybody here wish to speak too for against this application.

B

Is there anybody on zoom.

B

Second chance anybody wish to speak 2-4 against this application.

B

I'm going to close the public hearing if nobody raises their hand. Public hearing is closed, not.

B

We available, I'm not sure whether you have them uh with a slight change to 1.2.

G

Applicants shall agree to pay for the services and oversight engineer to be selected by the.

G

City to monitor the construction of drainage infrastructure and any work in the right-of-way.

G

And the applicant will address any additional remaining comments, provided.

G

By atlas, as at all, oh my gosh, I can't talk sorry as needed. I can't get my big girl warts out.

G

Second agree with that: audition yeah- I just I didn't know if that.

N

Had that been part of it, this, it wasn't part of the discussion when the applicant was at.

N

The podium I just didn't know if it's the same thing, I think I think he actually said.

B

He was on had ongoing conversations yesterday, so I think I think I will. I will um second, yes,.

B

D

Just curious about the I'm. Sorry, yes go ahead. um I see the conservation commission.

D

Denied- or they didn't deny, they did not recommend approval.

D

um They want a second opinion. Could someone clarify exactly what concom's issue was so.

F

Essentially, one of the wetlands that is being impacted is a 9 200. I think square foot wetland.

F

Which falls below the jurisdiction of the city and is a state-reviewed permit. uh The conservation.

F

Commission did recommend denial, but wanted to have if it, you know, want to make a recommendation that.

F

um Knowing that this goes to the state and not to the planning board, it's not a jurisdictional.

F

Wetland that they do a wetland delineation that is very close, 10 000 square feet would be.

F

The threshold under which it would become a wetland that would require a wetland cop and given.

F

The fact that we weren't did understood that it hadn't been a recent wetland delineation.

F

They asked that a stipulation be added that the- and this has been added to the stipulations of.

F

Approval that a wetland delineation to um uh ensure the size of that wetland.

F

Wetland is correctly represented, so that is the the reason for that. If it is, it would have to.

F

Receive a wetland cup if it's larger as a in the final analysis, any other questions or discussion.

B

We have a motion in a second all, those in favor aye, aye, aye opposed.

B

Motion carries. Thank you folks. I appreciate your time. Thank you.

B

I'm think we have the right.

K

Mr chair, if it's appropriate I'd like to make a motion that items five b and c be.

K

Discussed together and voted on separately. Second, thank you. That's where I was headed.

B

Thank you for prompting me all those in favor, aye, aye, aye, aye aye opposed none, so we're going.

B

To consider together, request to sagamore group llc is owner for properties located at 1169 sagamore.

B

1171 sagamore avenue requesting site plan review approval for the demolition of three existing.

B

Principal structures: three single families, three single living units and three existing accessory.

B

Structures to be replaced with six single living unit structures and two two living unit structures.

B

To total ten living units and twenty two parking spaces where fifteen are required, properties of.

B

Certain assessors map 224 lot 14 and assessed map 224 lot 15 and live within mixed residential.

B

Mro district lu 21-167 also the same group requesting wetland conditional use, permit approval.

B

Under 10.1017 of the zoning ordinance for 570 square feet of temporary buffer impacts for the.

B

Headwall and riprap portion of which are permanent impacts to the wetland buffer for the installation.

B

Of a treated storm water, drainage, outfall, these properties again are incessant map 224 lot, 14 and.

B

224 lot 15 same districts, who is here to speak to this application good evening uh for the record of.

I

Mike arabi, with garageband planning consultants, um I'm representing sagamore group llc, we have mick.

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Kabary here with kavari architects and paige libby with jones and beach engineers uh in the event.

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You folks have questions that I won't be able to answer which may likely happen. um I did I promised.

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Corey caldwell that we would only be 10 minutes in front of you. So that's our challenge tonight.

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If possible, um so I'm going to try to be brief, so others can be heard tonight. um You know if we want.

I

To just if we can move to existing conditions slide, I can kind of just give you folks a brief.

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Sort of overview of the site conditions and the proposed conditions, so it would be sheet c1.

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So, as the chair is indicated, the the site is consists currently of two lots of record.

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They are in total of slightly less than two acres in size. There's three single family residences on.

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The property now are proposed to be the site's proposed to be scraped. Everything's proposed to.

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Be demolished, I was here before the board under a preliminary consultation about a year ago, or so.

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When we started this process- and I think we showed something similar to what we're proposing.

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Which obviously has gone through some iterations as we've gone through staff review and tac review.

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If you go to the next slide, which is c2, it will show the proposed condition, which is.

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A single curb cut proposed off of sagamore with a circular drive configuration.

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Accessing four duplex units and six single-family units on the site, which represents the density.

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That's allowed in the zone. We didn't require any variances for the project. We did go through.

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Several attack meetings- um drainage was the the biggest consideration for this site. So we we were.

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Subject to peer review, altus engineering did our peer review for us um on behalf of the city, rather.

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And so it took a few few, a few meetings to get through that process. Ultimately, it was.

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Determined and suggested by dpw that we engineer a culvert across sagamore which will serve and.

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If we go to sheet c3 and I always get the button wrong, is it the top button or the bottom button.

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Top button help button. Thank you. So we are. We do have a collection system of drainage for our.

I

Drainage, we have two underground chambered systems. We have a couple of smaller rain gardens proposed.

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On the site to treat capture and treat drainage and ultimately, there's a small area here, a small.

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Depression: depression here um on the northern side of the site and we're we're proposing to.

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Have a culvert that will go across the roadway and we'll outlet onto the city's property across the.

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Street that's been designed, um as recommended by dbw. That's the reason why we have the cup.

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Permit in front of the board as well this evening, we did go to the conservation commission a month.

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Or so ago we had a favorable site walk. We had a favorable meeting with them where we received.

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Unanimous uh recommendation to support the cup for the small impacts with respect with.

I

Respect to the culvert as it impacts some of the buffer on the other side of sagamore avenue,.

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And then I guess the only other thing I wanted to point out, just as a brief.

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Overview is the dpw did want us to attack, recommended that we do provide a sidewalk along.

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Sagamore within the d.o.t right away that will connect us to sea, star cove, which will eventually.

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You know begin to connect the sidewalk further further south along sagamore, as, as we all know,.

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It's a fairly busy road for pedestrians and bikers, so I want to keep it as brief, as I can.

I

Like I said, nick mckavar is here to talk about architecture. If you have any questions about the.

I

Design of the units- and we have paige here- that's done all the design, engineering, drainage.

I

Work for the site, so you can answer all those technical questions you might have.

B

Questions for the applicant andrew, um the drainage, drainage analysis was obviously very comprehensive.

A

And I'm wondering if you guys looked at the 1177 or sea star cove development as a residual impact.

A

Over there, and if any of those neighboring homes would be influenced in any way whether it's.

A

Rainage high rainstorms snowmelt, et cetera, we did that was a that was part of the focus of the peer.

I

Review and in fact, sea star cove the association bills here representing um the association as its.

I

President, I'm sure he'll speak this evening, but we work with sea star cove uh fairly extensively.

I

To ensure that the drainage, uh our drainage design, does not impact uh the neighboring properties in.

I

Fact that's one of the reasons why the culvert was was recommended by dpw and why we pursue that.

I

That approach, and so I'm wondering when in certain conditions, that the drainage analysis is conducted.

A

What does that assume for the maturity or density of trees? That's behind this so.

A

How can we consider the pre-development conditions during construction and post development.

A

Conditions- and is there a large discrepancy or disparity between all of those levels.

A

Or time frames now you've gone over here for me, so I don't know if paige wants to jump in, but.

I

um You know, as far I I don't know I can question is, but I I can boil the question down to is that.

A

Drainage analysis at one moment in time, or is it over the horizon of pre-development.

A

During construction and post development- well, it's pre and post, um not necessarily.

I

During, although during construction there are, um you know, monitoring requirements for storm.

I

Water management, but I should probably let paige jump up and answer more specifically.

E

Hi paige libby with johnson beach um yeah, so we study pre-condition pre-construction.

E

Condition versus post-construction condition and compare the pre and post peak flows and volumes.

E

And that's for a 2, 10, 25, 50 and 100 year storm event. So it's basically basically comparing those.

E

Two and like mike said during construction, there are erosion controls put in place um to ensure.

E

That there's no effect on the embedding properties, basically, during the construction process,.

B

Any other questions yes, jane yeah, um I'm assuming that they're. The only reason for the request for a.

C

Wetland cup is due to the this culvert, because the conservation committee has unanimously supported.

C

This so I'm just going to ask it a different way. So are you telling me that the wetland.

C

Which looks rather extensive, that is part of the existing conditions. That's at the northeastern.

C

Boundary of the whole pro of one of those lots, I think it's a lot 26.

C

Which, I think, corresponds to at least the proposed building units of one two and three.

C

If not also, four, that there's that wetland is not going to in any way.

C

Be disturbed and it won't be a problem for those building units that are going to be right. There.

I

If you're, referring to the wetland that is behind these, these, this duplex, I'm referring to the.

C

Wetland you don't superimpose these on any of the drawings, maybe easier to see it on.

I

um C1, if you look at c1 there's an extent, that's the existing conditions plan there there's a.

C

Large, once this is this, this is shown as a as a fill area. So this area here is is a historic.

I

Fairly old fill area, so there's urban fill in this area. We're proposing to remove all of that.

I

And so are you saying it's a depression without water in it? That is not a depression. It's a slope.

I

In that area was filled historically years ago,.

I

You know with rock and concrete, and what have you that's all gonna, it's it's all going to be.

I

Removed and replaced, obviously with building and where it's not building will replace. With with.

I

With suitable materials around the buildings, then could you just show me what you refer to in your.

C

Plans as the wetland that's on lot, 26. there's a wetland that is on and I'm I'm trying to figure.

I

Out, where you're showing lot 26 is that that's the adjacent part of the narrative 26 is across.

I

Sagamore it's owned by the city, um so there's a wetland system, that's on on lot, 26.

I

We're not impacting the wetland at all we're just impacting a small portion of the buffer. A couple.

I

Hundred feet of impact for the culvert, the culvert is primarily there uh to uh for the additional.

I

Runoff collection that we're going to be, uh I keep pressing the middle button. It's.

I

Not good so for the for the sidewalk that we're proposing, along essentially on the neighboring.

I

Northern neighboring parcel we're creating this sidewalk to to connect to our development and so.

I

We're going to be collecting that stormwater, that's that's going to be coming! Sagamore.

I

And that's that's the storm water. That's essentially going to be treated through the.

I

um Through the proposed treatment system that that we have at the at the end of the culvert, um which.

I

Will then we're at the beginning of the culvert? I should say um that will then discharge to cross.

I

The street, so the main reason for the culvert is, is primarily for the the proposed sidewalk.

C

And so the fact that you're putting in 20 parking spaces and more asphalt that there will be no.

C

Pollution of that wetland at all as part of the storm water or part of the runoff that comes from.

C

Vehicle oils and gasoline, and that kind of thing well, that's designed and paige can speak more.

I

To it, but the sys, the system is designed to collect and treat and then release over time.

I

uh All of the storm water on the site we did have our. Obviously we had jones and beach design.

I

The storm water system, we had peer review by altus, we had dpw review and we also had.

I

The neighbors from sea, star cove had their engineers reviewing the plans as well. We were.

I

Sort of all working together, so we feel feel very comfortable and confident that it will.

I

Work as designed one of the staff conditions for approval, which, by the way, we are comfortable with.

I

All those recommended conditions of approval, but one is third party inspection of stormwater sewer.

I

Water and sidewalk installation, so that will be a third party inspector of assume altus. But perhaps.

I

Somebody else, and then the the ongoing will be storm. Water, inspection and maintenance reports.

I

On an annual basis that will be conducted and then provided to the to the city to ensure that.

I

The ongoing operation of that storm water system is functioning according to design. Thank you sure.

D

Mr garvey, yes, sir um I'd like to talk to you a little bit about the economics of parking.

D

And how you selected to go to 22 spaces when only 15 were required by the city, ordinance and.

D

Just kind of walk through the logic as someone who's trying to sell these homes.

D

And why you didn't choose 15 spaces. I thought you might save money or be.

D

Able to offer them at a lower price sure. Well, the the parking itself is simply a.

I

It's it's the driveway. We assume two spaces per driveway, they're two-car garages. So there's.

I

There's actually more parking, then then one would uh but the driveway functions as a parking space.

I

Technically, um is it, is it a parking space or is it it's a driveway as well.

I

It functions as both is hard to eliminate those parking spaces when you need a driveway.

I

To get into your garage, so you know we could eliminate the visitor parking, which is the only.

I

Parking, I guess we could eliminate, which I believe only represents a couple of spaces. I.

I

Think it may be three: that's two: the code requires two spaces and we'd be happy to eliminate those.

D

If necessary, again, I'm not advocating changing the parking. I'm just trying to understand. As you know,.

D

You're in the business of producing housing that you want to sell and create a product that people.

D

Want so um would you find that even without a standard, you put two, you put two spaces, no matter.

D

What the unit was or again, as you know, portsmouth has a parking based on a square foot basis.

D

With the smaller the unit, the less parking, but would you find that two spaces would be needed.

D

No matter what size you you, the product was here. No, I think I I think the the spaces are.

I

Provided simply because it's a dual function, space, it's a driveway and it's it's a parking.

I

Space there's no other way to access the garage without having such a area you backed into it.

B

Yeah yeah, I mean I mean if we were doing a multi-family project. We'd. Try to you know. We.

I

Build to the demand right, so they're, two car garages correct correct, and then you have two.

D

Spaces in the parking lot, so you've got plenty of parking there. I would agree. Okay again, I'm just.

D

Yep, I'm just trying to understand. You know how it's thought of when it does, when you're doing.

D

So much more than our regulations require in many in many instances in other applications for other.

I

Communities we with multi-family projects, for instance, we a lot of oftentimes, ask for waivers.

I

To the parking standards, because we don't need as much um so because the empirical data suggests.

I

Otherwise, then perhaps the regulations may require so when we can, we do in this case it's kind of.

I

Almost impossible to do so because then there'd be no way to get to your garage. Okay, thank you.

B

Do you have an easement from the city for that outfall for the culvert.

I

We have a recommendation from staff and I would assume we would hope that that recommendation.

I

Would follow through with your vote this evening um again it's a our our drainage design.

I

Worked without the culvert, the culvert as dpw, I guess the culvert is basically an overflow.

I

An emergency spillway, if you will it's not necessary for the design, but it's something that.

I

Dpw wanted to see on the plans, so we have, uh we do provide it, and so we.

I

Would we know we need to go to council for that approval for that discharge for the outflow, so.

B

You will be seeking an easement for that. It will be a how whatever form the legal department and.

I

The planning department uh decide that it needs to be advanced to the council. You know it'll be.

I

Some kind of an easement for flowage, correct, yep yeah, but again it's primarily to benefit the city.

I

Overall, because of the sidewalk and the drainage treatment that it uh provides.

I

So we, you know, we assume that will be received with a favorable vote, especially given the fact.

I

That the concom is supported as well so yeah and I don't I don't want to drag everybody into a.

B

Arcane discussion here, but I'm I'd like you to explain your drainage structure b in the.

B

Northwest corner of the property, it's built up quite a bit in grade because you're building.

B

Up that back corner of the property, quite a bit, you're six or seven feet above existing.

B

Grade with the building corners, I believe so you're putting in these concrete chambers sure.

B

And they're obviously well above grade because you're trying to match the grade for.

B

The drainage of the buildings in the parking and you're putting a coat of earth over it.

B

Why is that? Not a structure like a swimming pool would be a structure.

I

This is where page comes back up again yeah, so that structure is entirely underground. um It's.

E

It's actually like a underground detention system. So for that reason it's not defined as a structure.

B

Where does it say that um I don't have the regs with me, but it's my.

E

Understanding, that's that's. How structure is defined is that it's anything above grade.

B

Okay, as I read the definition of structure, it doesn't have that exclusion and it does include.

B

Swimming pools, so um you take the position that basically anything underground would be excluded.

G

Yeah- and I also think it meets it- meets the building setbacks, regardless of if it was defined.

E

As a structure or not, the building, setbacks are 10 feet to the side, 15 feet to the rear.

B

That west corner of the structure meets the 10 feet.

B

I don't think so. If you look at c2 and just project that 10-foot setback that you're showing.

E

Yeah, it's not it's. It's certainly close.

E

So I think we have the ability to just shift it slightly so that it can meet that.

F

um I didn't I did. I receive a note that swimming pools are exempt from setbacks.

F

Under our regulations, as long as they meet a, I think, uh 18 inch standard so.

G

Stairs, I'm sorry about I'm sorry. Swimming pools are exempt from setbacks as long as.

F

They meet an 18-inch standard. I understand that from staff.

B

They are defined as structures which aren't exams. So I'm curious where that comes from.

F

We can definitely look into that for you, but that's my understanding, yeah. So if it's I.

B

Guess I guess, if it's an issue, you could shift it a couple of feet. Yeah we. I think we have the.

E

Ability to shift it, the chambers kind of come as separate pieces that we have arranged in a certain.

E

Way to fit in that area, so if we had to rearrange them or they even make small different size ones,.

E

We could rearrange that if we had to but again it was our understanding that those.

E

Do not need to meet the structure setback. Well, that's a question you can. If the board proceeds.

B

You can work that out with staff. Where is the outfall? Is there an outfall for that structure b?.

E

So that structure is actually infiltrating the stormwater, which is why it's raised up so high and.

E

Any overflow from it goes to the second chamber, that's sort of in the middle of the site and then.

E

The overflow from that goes to that depression, so it's all kind of interconnected. Thank you. Yep.

B

Any other questions.

B

Are you ready for a motion? I don't know if anybody else has any concerns about whether that.

B

Is there isn't a structure, public hearing public hearing? I guess we have to have yeah. I'm sorry.

G

Thank you. I was up pretty early this morning. We open the public hearing.

B

On this, does anybody here would like to speak two for against this application.

P

Yes, hi, my name is rocco simone 1167.. I abut the wetlands.

P

I respect one of the board members over there they're putting 10 pounds of sand in a 2 pound bag.

P

I know that's, I don't have their steam knowledge and everything like that.

P

I've lived there, the 20 parking places that's going to shove, water to my house and.

P

They've been grudgingly that that uh what is it across uh whatever that.

P

uh One piece is that was brought up by mr defossis. At the you know, the dp, um I guess.

P

What I'm trying to say is if they only did five units they wouldn't have to blast, which.

P

I'm also opposing they wouldn't have all this water that they can't say in five or ten years.

P

What's going to happen, jones and beach is saying: oh, we got these baffles. We got this. We got that.

P

There's no way they can say that and the way the wetlands is set up that could flood every year. So.

P

I'm just saying to you folks, they're, going to take away a lot of the trees. uh There's no need for.

P

10 units there five units they would replace every unit. That's there. Then there wouldn't be that much.

P

Water coming towards the northwest, where I'm at so that's what I'd like you guys to consider.

P

Most most of these people don't live here. They come in from dover or wherever they're going to.

P

Be gone, I think it was presented. Who do I talk to when my property's flooding in a few years.

P

Oh whoever's comes after them or their little condo association. That's what I'm all worried.

P

About you know why don't you just go with 15 of the of the parking spaces stuff like that.

P

It's not that I'm against the development, I'm just thinking that this is too much.

P

The the two pieces of property, if you look at them, they have uh like a ledge running through.

P

Them so they're going to have to do a lot of blasting and that's what I'm worried about too so.

P

That's basically what I got to say. Thank you very much.

B

Thank you. Anybody else like to speak too far against the application.

B

Please state your name and address for the right bill: bowen 1163, sagamore unit 40, I'm part of the.

Q

Condo association to the west sea, star cove, and we also own the area just to the north. That lies.

Q

Between the development and rocco's there's a a swale whoop scott uh there's, a wetland swale just.

Q

To the north, at the north end of their property, that really is probably two-thirds on our property.

Q

And now their original plan was that the water would go to that spot on our property. And if.

Q

It would overflow it would go under rocco's and then, if it overflowed from there, it would.

Q

Come down into our system that we have put in so we were very uncomfortable with this.

Q

System and that they, their property, is about 10 feet higher than ours and they're. Going from like.

Q

15 percent uh impermeable to 65, or so so it would be a lot more water and and we're downhill from it.

Q

And and from us to tucker cove, so so that's kind of where we started a year ago. uh We've spent lots.

Q

Of time we we hired the engineer that designed our system to work with them, at least as a.

Q

Comfort factor for us that we weren't really able to understand what was being done.

Q

The key to the key to having it work is is the culvert that goes from the wetlands, which is.

Q

To the north, uh under sagamore and to the wetlands that the city owns to the east.

Q

uh Without that, I think we would be rocco's likely to be flooded and- and we would be flooded as well.

Q

uh I don't know: there's there's water that generates from the road as well and that we'll.

Q

Go into the culvert and then we'll go underneath the sagamore to the city, wetlands to the east.

Q

And there's water that will come from rocco's yard because of the putting the sidewalk there and.

Q

Having the uh the water from the street flow in that direction, so so hydraulically, it really is a.

Q

Complicated subject, we feel comfortable that our interests are being protected.

Q

That the culvert is the is the key answer. uh Then we've got uh so we're satisfied after.

Q

A year's agonizing over it there will be more water, it will come from an area that does have.

Q

Parking and vehicles on it and it will uh flow into a wetlands area to the small wetlands area.

Q

To the north and then through the culvert to the city, larger wetlands area, to the east,.

Q

We're okay with it, uh we we did want to have the provision of having a third party look.

Q

At the installation to make sure that it was being installed according to design, because.

Q

It does go from like 45 analysis points in the construction of all the underground plumbing.

B

Thank you. You will have another opportunity to speak if, if you need it.

B

Does anybody else wish to speak too far against the application.

Q

Good evening, uh good evening, uh my name is joe erico um 154 goffsport road, I'm a resident of.

Q

Portsmouth since 2007. I live in tucker's cove, just right to the south of this project.

Q

I think that the residents in our neighborhood, at least, I think, you've, heard this before.

Q

Have expressed concern about the sidewalk, I guess it's. It's been an issue. That's been kicked down.

Q

The kid's been kicked down the road multiple times. I think the project as far as having a.

Q

Project you know that area developed, I think, is great, but obviously there's concerns about.

Q

You know the I think, there's something like 19 children under 10 that live in that neighborhood.

Q

As well as when we were living in tucker's cove, I mean we were living in a tidewatch. We would walk.

Q

To the forestry center and just walk through that beautiful neighborhood and into the forestry.

Q

Center and then back around to the city, so obviously you know just using common sense.

Q

It's a busy road. It was mentioned here already. I think it's just very important that.

Q

I know that they said they were going to extend the sidewalk from half of their.

Q

Of this project, but how do we get the rest of it built in a timely fashion before it cost the.

Q

City a lot more money than it would right now, for example, if someone gets hurt or got for bed killed.

Q

Not only would you have to build a sidewalk, but you'd also have a lawsuit on your hands.

Q

So you know you're better off doing it now and paying the you know. You know paying the cost now.

Q

Or having the developer help contribute to that or it's going to cost us a lot more in the future.

Q

Also, if there's I'm just trying to think out loud how we could work together to make.

Q

This happen: if they have extra spaces that they don't need, could they potentially sell.

Q

The you know five to seven of those faces to whoever might live there and use some of that.

Q

Money to help extend the sidewalk all the way to odeon point road. I mean I'm just talking.

Q

Out loud, I'm just trying to get creative, if you guys can think of some other ways, but.

Q

The cyborg really needs to happen. It's it's one of those things that eventually the city's going.

Q

To pay one way or another, and I just hope it's not with somebody's life. Thank you. Thank you.

B

Anybody else here in the room would like to speak 2-4 against the application.

L

Hello, um my name is sarah regan, I'm at 149 odeon point also in the same neighborhood. um We go to.

E

Town by by foot very frequently as adults going for walks, we see people from the current existing.

L

Condos that are on the corner of odiarn point on sagamore right right near where this is going to.

L

Be and they come along the area of the sagmore that has no sidewalk, where we're proposing that.

E

It should be- and I think it's on the 2024 budget um to have it in there. I think somebody said that.

E

They walk along that precarious area as well, into tucker's cove to walk their dogs for exercise.

L

To access our waterfront easement that we have in the neighborhood.

L

To go to the urban forestry and back all the time, so I imagine that the people that will.

L

Be living in these new units would also want to come to our waterfront easement and to the.

L

Urban forestry access that we have as well as walking through the neighborhood, because there.

L

Are sidewalks of our whole neighborhood as well? So it's a good walking area, so I.

L

Request that as well, thank you. Thank you. Any of us wish to speak too far against the application.

B

We have one person on zoom.

R

uh Yes, um michael simone, 1167., uh sagamore.

B

Go ahead um yeah. I just have some questions. Like my dad stated.

R

Co-Owner here um you know we're talking about this culvert.

R

And um counselor before brought up about the impacts to the opposing side, wetland.

R

And uh we get a lot of debris in my front. Driveway cigarette butts, you know, um nip bottles, beer cans.

R

There's really nothing that states how that system is going to be maintained with that type of debris.

R

um Entering the sub base, uh catchments that they have stated on, I believe c4, and um you know that.

R

Type of debris every every week I usually have to clean that up, so they were asking earlier. You know.

R

Is it, um how do they do these tests? I don't know, do you test putting cigarette butts in.

R

That allotment, I don't I don't know I'd like some more tests done to ensure that these things are.

R

You know monitored and who's going to take care of. That is the city going to take care of that.

R

On the other side, when things you know 5-10 years something happens, I don't know because.

R

My property is going to be impacted and you know that sidewalk is a good thing, but.

R

One person's property- I mean I put water on your property. You're, not gonna, be very happy.

R

So I'd like some more tests done and keep that in mind. um You know I'm out protecting america right.

R

Now I can't be here I'm out in san diego, so you know those are my statements but just keep it in.

R

Mind you gotta, keep all the residents enforcement in mind when you make decisions. Thank you.

B

Thank you. Anybody else wish to speak too far against second round speakers.

B

If anybody know other first round speakers, you can speak again, sir.

Q

Bill bowen again, uh we our our wish list, would also definitely include the sidewalk going down at.

Q

Least already on point road: we've got uh five kids in our neighborhood in our ten houses uh as well.

Q

As a lot of other people that walk- and it really is quite hazardous walking along sagamore uh in.

Q

Front of the condo unit to the south and then down to at least dorian point road. uh Ideally, it should.

Q

Go down to the traffic circle so that people can go down and walk all over to uh to the uh park.

Q

But uh certainly we would agree with the uh need for sidewalk. However, whether you do it as part of.

Q

This project don't understand how the city budgeting works, but but the sidewalks needed.

B

B

Any other folks wish to speak 2-4 against this application here or on zoom.

B

Nobody else wish to speak, I'm going to close the public hearing unless somebody wishes to speak.

B

Public hearing is closed. Mr chairman, before you move forward, I do want to.

F

Just note that we do plan to extend that sidewalk along the same side of the street.

F

The extent of that and timing- I am not entirely familiar with. I know the culvert will also serve.

F

That future extension and certainly can follow up with the planning board about those plans.

F

Because I don't know the extent and timing for that, but I know that there's a plan for that.

B

Thank you, mr chair. Yes, I have a question of playing director uh beverly. Yes, I was just.

D

Curious, how um typically sidewalks when we ask for them, are on the frontage of the developed property.

D

That's kind of the default position I understand, and in this case the sidewalk went on the northern.

D

End of the property some distance to connect with the existing sidewalk is that accurate.

F

Yes, that's what I see on the plans as well. So was there any thought of extending the sidewalk to the.

D

South of the driveway to the at least to the end of the property. So I actually was wondering about.

F

That myself, as we were, having this discussion and I'm not really certain why that was not required.

F

Maybe the applicants can speak to that. I do know we plan to continue the sidewalk that gap portion.

F

I I was a little curious about that myself and uh with staff about it, but I'm not certain sure.

F

I mean our understanding whoa our understanding of uh the sidewalk, our contribution. You know we.

I

Typically, look at fair share contributions when we, when we do our projects- and um you know when we.

I

First started discussing this with planning staff and and primarily with dpw, their desire was to.

I

Provide the connection uh to the existing network now versus waiting for, say the samoan property to.

I

Be developed if it ever is in the future and then requiring that that land owner, perhaps to.

I

Connect the the two segments so instead of having a sidewalk to nowhere in front of ours, um it was.

I

Dpw's really their desire to do the sidewalk improvements, not primarily but partly off-site.

D

So that's the reason why it's it's done that way and I think, as as beverly indicated.

I

The future, the near future, I believe uh connectivity will will occur. At least it's.

I

Scheduled, thank you. That was actually a really good question for before the public hearing, but.

B

Oh okay, we're not supposed to be asking questions to the applicant right now. This is more discussion.

D

Right but I was more trying to understand from the planning department's perspective why they.

D

Didn't require it not the applicant, my apologies and I shouldn't have called upon the applicant.

F

To answer that, um I think that that rough proportionality would make sense, but I can.

F

Certainly get back to the planning board about the future extension of that. I know that is the plan.

F

I know that was a great deal of discussion and the culvert, I think, will benefit the city as well. For.

F

That extension- I know that was and it was needed for the project, but it was also something that we.

F

Feel like in the future will serve that sidewalk extension would love to return to the planning.

F

Board um an email just uh confirming the or even you know, posting that um onto the page, so that the.

F

Community knows the um timing and extent of that sidewalk extension. I know there's a plan for it.

B

Thank you councilman um to talk about the, since I'm probably the only one here actually was part.

G

Of the approval of the condo association next door, we secured all of the easements from odin point.

G

Road all the way across that property to put in that sidewalk, so we've been slowly building.

G

All the necessary eastmans to be able to put that together. It is in the cip plan and it.

G

I believe, and the city manager can correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it is fiscal year. 24.

G

But that is um set so when I say fiscal year, 24 that starts july, 1 2023 to june 2024.

G

So in that year, I believe is when it is set through the cip to be put in.

B

Thank you for that.

B

Are we ready for a motion.

G

I will make a motion that we vote to find the application meets the criteria set. Fourth and.

G

Ten point: ten one, seven point: five: zero and to grant the wetland conditionally.

G

Use per conditional use permit with the included 1.1 and 1.2 stipulations.

B

Is there a second, oh second discussion you like to explain.

G

um Sure I, the wetland conditional use permit, is truly just a way to be able to get across the.

G

Street and to really to put in the jellyfish, which I know is a lot of effort, there is a maintenance.

G

Plan put in place to be able to take care of that, and the association, I'm sure will be of.

G

Of the people that will, whatever maintenance plan for their side of the property, will take care of.

G

And then the city would have the give them the easement for the water flow edge, and I assume to.

G

Also keep an eye on that, so there are maintenance plans put in place when these kinds of systems.

G

Are put in so it's perfectly reasonable to go into the buffer when what you're doing is truly.

G

Cleaning all the runoff to get to the wetland and making it a much better and cleaner runoff versus.

G

Just everything running into it without any actual culvert or cleaning capability.

B

Any discussion, yes, I'm concerned about the runoff to the butter.

C

um That, I don't think would be handled by the culvert system. As I understand it, and.

C

I'm worried about the impact that we keep seeing about so we've taken three buildings and now.

C

We've tripled it more than tripled it to 10 units and the fallout in terms of the asphalt in terms.

C

Of there being runoff in terms of the need for sidewalks, of course, there's going to be increased.

C

Need for sidewalk, because we keep developing more developments in this area and the proximity to.

C

The beach etcetera, you know, exerts a pressure all the way down, elwin road, as well as sagamore.

C

And all through odi to odeorn. I completely understand that, but um we have a letter from.

C

An abutter that opposes this and we've had two of butters speak in opposition to this as well. So.

C

I'm probably going to vote no on this.

C

And would only be moved to vote? Yes if there were fewer units for fewer for less impact.

B

Okay, the current motion is for the wetlands conditional use permit itself and then the next.

B

Consideration would be the site plan, did you mean for the.

B

For the wetlands or for everything I was speaking to everything, okay, thank you.

A

I'll hold off until the next any other discussion.

B

All those in favor aye aye opposed I'm opposed.

B

Seven to two, unless there was an abstention that I didn't see again, motion carries.

G

I make a motion that we vote to grant site plan approval with.

G

The included stipulations 2.1 through 2.6, a second.

B

Did you want to explain anything about their good? um You know the density of it um is allowed by.

G

Zoning so and they've gone to great lengths to be able to really spend a year working with the.

G

Butter to be able to make sure that drainage is proper and it's not going to other properties. We.

G

Can certainly add a stipulation that, a year after you know a certificate of occupancy.

G

Is granted that there is an evaluation done, maybe by the third party engineer or.

G

I don't really care any anybody who can go out and then certify to the city that it's working as.

G

Intended and has been for that year is it already in there and I'm missing it yeah it's in there.

G

I guess I missed the one oh annually, that's I didn't see a year I saw annually and I read.

G

Right over so yeah, that's already in there, so um I think we're making and taking the proper steps.

G

In which to be able to ensure that the butters will be properly taken care of um the bigger, I.

G

Think issue was the sidewalk which I know is in the plan and has been for several years, and I.

G

I totally understand the issue with sidewalks. We have a lot of neighborhoods in the city that.

G

Want sidewalks, I know my own neighborhood waited 10 years to get sidewalks, so it's.

G

It's an ongoing problem. It's just hard to keep up with what we have and creating new. So.

G

I think it's a reasonable development in the area that it's in and I think it will actually.

G

Better the drainage for the abutting properties in the end. Thank you. Yes, andrew.

A

uh I have three primary concerns that highlight the site plan itself and that's primarily the.

A

Density of it, um yes, they do have it by right and for the zoning ordinance. However,.

A

When you look at circulation and just population of these homes, you have to.

A

Assume that you'll have at least three to four people. So three and a half people per residence.

A

You know, and then you have the duplexes and each of these structures or each of these homes.

A

Are at least 500 square feet larger than the sea star cove homes, when you and when.

A

You drive through sea, star, cove, you're, sort of overwhelmed and those don't even about the street.

A

So I'm just thinking about the the density and the elevation of these, as they present.

A

Themselves to sagamore ave um and how that could be mitigated, or at least curtailed in some way.

A

um And and then secondarily the sidewalk has been addressed, we get it, uh but I think we.

A

Have to also consider that sidewalk from a pedestrian level, so not just a vehicular.

A

Viewpoint, but also a pedestrian level and cycling standpoint, so as cars are pulling out and trying.

A

To look left and look right as they enter sagamore ave. It's really important that there is some sort.

A

Of visibility for pedestrians there very often on sagamore ave when I am running or biking there.

A

People are trying to pull out and edge their way along and that prohibits runners or cyclists from.

A

Really continuing forward, and that could be an issue, and lastly, overall is uh the duplexes at.

A

The street front, I just see a ball rolling into sagamore ave and, though that front left or front.

A

Southern uh duplex seems to be awfully close to the street front and to me that just I'm playing.

A

This out in my head and not to dramatize it, but that's what I see there and it just seems very.

A

Intense for that site itself, otherwise, I think the design overall is is adequate and average.

B

Thank you yes, jim yeah, I, uh as many people said, would like to have seen.

D

The whole frontage of this property with a sidewalk, but that's always a discussion.

D

That gets into what's fair to the landowner as far as appropriate off-site mitigation.

D

And instead of having the sidewalk front north and south, they extended it further north off.

D

Site to connect with the existing sidewalk and so to me that kind of uh evens out in my mind.

D

And I, and actually to me the best feature of this- is this cross culvert under uh sagamore ave? It's a.

D

Miracle, this property functioned without it, I'm not really sure how it did, because it's just a.

D

Ditch that it should have been culvert there, there just never was, and though, between the sidewalk, the.

D

Curbing and the subsurface drainage- that's that's quite a bit of work. The applicant will have to do.

D

To fix this, and so I'm comfortable with the project, and I can appreciate that butters.

D

Concerns about drainage, but I'm cautiously optimistic that this cross culvert under.

D

Sagamore should address a lot of those issues, and so uh that's how I'm thinking thank you.

B

I'd like the issue of the uh stormwater section b, to be resolved with staff. If, if this proceeds.

B

The either it is not a structure not subject to setback or you will make it conform to setback.

B

I've seen something that says: it's not I've, seen something that says it is. I don't think it should.

B

Be resolved tonight, I think when you guys can sit down peacefully and talk about it. That might be a.

B

Good time to, but it needs to be resolved, it's it's an unanswered question to me tonight. The.

B

Other question I have do we need a blasting permit. If there's any blasting they'll need a blasting.

F

Permit does that need to be a condition. Doesn't it it's just a normal yeah, it's a requirement, but.

F

Like saying you have to be the speed limit, I absolutely well, I think what happens when they.

F

Come and fill the building permit, if that is required, they'll have to get a blasting permit.

B

Okay, everybody ready for a vote because we're going to take a break here shortly. I think yes,.

B

We have a motion without any amendments in a second all, those in favor aye.

B

Seven to two: thank you very much. We appreciate your time being. 10.

B

O'clock, we are required to either decide to continue past 10, 30 or not.

G

I make a motion to continue all second discussion.

B

How folks feeling I'd rather do it now than come back yep? We can take a five minute break that'd.

B

Be great yeah, let's take, let's take a five minute: okay, please, let's take a break until.

G

10 times, let's take a break till 10 10 on that clock, it's about six minutes and then we're not.

G

Gonna vote on the past ten o'clock that motion I just made. We should vote on it. Oh you have to vote.

G

Sorry, sorry, I just thought we should vote before we take a break just you know.

B

Calling a meeting back to order.

B

We have a public hearing scheduled for the request of katara llc as.

B

Owner for property, 70 pleasant point drive requesting a wetland, conditioner use permit.

B

Under section 10 1017 of the zoning ordinance for 11 472 square feet of disturbance within.

B

The wetland buffer for grading landscaping and to demolish the existing structure and reconstruct a.

B

New structure within the 100-foot wetland buffer area, this properties on assessors map, 207 lot, 15.

B

And lies within the signal residence b district, lu 22-112, who is here to speak to this application.

B

Good evening, mr chairman, members of the board, corey caldwell from tf moran joining me tonight,.

S

Is rebecca rowe of catera llc, the owner and the applicant joining us remotely, I believe, is eric.

S

Burke, our landscape, designer with terrain planning and design. We also have ben o'jay.

S

Of oj building company and jason cook a project engineer with tf moran we're here tonight seeking.

S

A conditional use permit for the demolition and construction of a new residential dwelling.

S

On the screen is a color drawing that depicts the site as it would exist. Post-Construction.

S

Currently, there's a three-bedroom ranch at 70 pleasant point drive it's on a six uh 0.642.

S

Acre lot the lots at the end of a cul-de-sac. It's mostly cleared with six mature trees, the property.

S

Is located in the single residence bee district and abuts, the back channel of the piscataqua river.

S

The home is part of a residential subdivision that was created in the 1950s. The existing home.

S

Has a footprint of about 1970 square feet? It's an older style home. It has low ceilings, it has.

S

Some structural foundation issues and it's not very energy efficient. The home was built in 1957.

S

The applicant is proposing a new net zero home with a footprint of 2306 square feet.

S

The new home will contain two floors above a basement or lower level floor, which also contains.

S

A drive-in garage, a pervious patio, is proposed on the south and west side of the home between the.

S

Home and the river, because it's a net zero home it far exceeds the inner efficiency, energy efficiency.

S

Of the home that that's currently on site, the new home would be pushed back an additional 15 feet.

S

From the back channel of the river, the closest point of the new home is about 54 feet from the.

S

River, where the existing home today is about 38 and a half feet away, we did have a joint sidewalk.

S

With this board and the conservation commission on july 6, which gave everyone present a sense of the.

S

New versus the existing location of the home, the driveway and the associated improvements.

S

For those that couldn't make that sidewalk the lot's mostly open, it contains a lot of lawn and it.

S

Has vegetated very steep slopes that go from the lawn area down to the back channel of the river.

S

This property is kind of unique, it has 336 feet of frontage on the river and the home sits on an.

S

Elevated plateau approximately 14 to 15 feet above the river most of the property, as you can see from.

S

The plan is within the 100 foot wetland buffer zone. The dark dashed line that runs on the upper.

S

Quarter or less of the lot is the only area of the lot that is outside of the 100 foot buffer zone.

S

The slopes between the river and the home do range from 50 to 70 percent in slope.

S

Our goal is to improve the aesthetic value of the site and the environmental impact on.

S

The back channel of the river, this is being accomplished in four ways. First,.

S

We're constructing the new home further from the river than what exists today.

S

This creates more open space which allows us to plant some of those areas.

S

On sheets c, 3 and c 4 within our set in dashed red lines, we've shown the existing home.

S

To be removed, c3 also shows the existing patio, the steps in the driveway to give you an idea of what.

S

What the proposed home is in relation to the existing.

S

And when you look at those drawings, you can see that the proposed improvements are pushed back.

S

Further from the river to create more of a buffer between this home and the river.

S

The new home and patio was pushed back 15 feet further, as I mentioned from the water. The steps.

S

Are pushed back an additional 30 feet from what exists and the driveway is approximately 20 feet.

S

Further from the water than what exists today, this additional space between the home and the resource.

S

Allows us more room to install additional native plantings. Second way, we're improving. It is with.

S

Storm water management today, the driveway and the patio runoff sheet flows across the lot.

S

Into the back channel of the river, in fact, all roof runoff there's a gutter system. If you go.

S

Out there today, which is collected into pvc pipes, which directly discharge to the river at the toe.

S

Of the slope there's evidence of erosion caused by this runoff today and that discharge from the roof.

S

We're reducing stormwater runoff to the river in a couple of ways: first, we're capturing most roof.

S

Runoff and we're diverting it to the pervious patio via an underdrain or to the rain garden.

S

Proposed on the north side of the house, the remainder of the roof runoff would go to the drip.

S

Edges shown on the plan. It then is overland flow to the rain garden or infiltrated into the soil.

S

Second, we're capturing and treating storm water via the pervious driveway.

S

The result of these storm water improvements is a reduction in runoff rate and volume, as.

S

Evidenced by the drainage analysis submitted with the application, the third way we're improving the.

S

Site is we're adding many plantings, as shown on the landscape plan prepared by terrain planning.

S

And design stephanie, if you could bring that plan up, please you can see. There's a number.

S

When you look at the plan, there's there's a number of trees, shrubs and landscape beds. Over and above.

S

What exists today, there is a lot of lawn on that site today that lawn area with by implementing.

S

These plantings as being significantly reduced, which is also going to enhance that buffer.

S

The fourth way we're improving the site is we're reducing invasive species by implementing the.

S

Recommendations of the invasive species management plan prepared by terrain planning and design.

S

That there's a supplement that was turned in with this application: that.

S

Shows pictures of the invasive species there's a number of them on this site.

S

Which we saw during the site walk and all of those invasive species are proposed to be removed.

S

Allowing that vegetated slope to come in with more native plantings to enhance the buffer.

S

The project was reviewed by the conservation commission at their june, 8th and july 13th.

S

Meeting we did receive unanimous favorable recommendation at the july 13th meeting there.

S

Were two stipulations with that recommendation, and that was that the applicant planned for two.

S

Years of plant monitoring to ensure the health and success of the buffer plantings and secondly, that.

S

The silt sock devices that we chose to protect the buffer shall be made of organic materials.

S

Including the outer lining mesh that holds that sock together in order to prevent plastic waste.

S

The applicant has agreed to comply with those conditions, so overall we think the site is.

S

Significantly improved by the reduction of lawn, the increased plantings moving the house further.

S

Away from the water, adding some storm water measurements- and we maintain that we're making.

S

The site, much better than it is today, myself or a team, was happy to address any questions.

B

Thank you very much. Questions of the applicant.

B

Yes, jane yeah, I just want to ask about neighbors: are there any butters either to the side each.

C

Side of this house, or in the back, there are there's a neighbor to the northeast.

S

And there's a neighbor to the northwest uh because it seems from the drawings and.

C

The diagrams you have that not only is the hell house, elevated on the the land, the knoll that is.

C

Naturally forming, but that it's elevated on its foundation, there's steps up even to the house.

C

It looks like it's elevated above grade level of that knoll. So is it impeding any of the.

C

Views or anything of any of the neighbors, I'm surprised, there's no letters from a butters.

C

Or comments from a butters sure, so the house is, the proposed house is going about one foot higher.

S

Finish floor elevation than the existing house, but we are building within the height limitation, yeah.

Q

This zone allows 35 feet and we're not exceeding that we did not receive any abutter objections.

S

Public notice was made to both conservation commission meetings as well as this meeting.

J

I think ample opportunity was provided for them for review.

S

We've had no negative feedback from from any of the abutters okay. Thank you.

D

Yes, jim hi, mr colwell, um I noticed uh I'm on the site plan.

D

C3 that landscaped wall and steps are entering the pleasant point right of way is that the.

D

Intent and will any easement be required for that, so it's kind of if you look at the.

S

The existing features plan, I think it helps put in perspective what.

S

What's unique about this? Is it's a cul-de-sac, but the cul-de-sac was never really built in.

S

Other words there's no circle out there. The pavement just extends through that cul-de-sac.

S

So when you have that cul-de-sac, you have that long arcing curve of the right-of-way. So there's.

S

A lot of distance between the pavement and the right-of-way, we have to bring that driveway to.

S

The pavement in the road to get access and I think, for that reason the driveway- extends into the.

S

Right-Of-Way, I know this was reviewed by staff and dpw. We did not receive any.

S

Any objections to that proposed work from from either of those entities. Okay, so the right-of-way.

D

Line for pleasant point is accurate. That dashed circle line correct and you will have improvements.

D

Stonewall and landscaping in the right of way just right, okay and city didn't have a problem with.

D

That yeah and I think primarily it's because we've got to get to the access point right. We've got.

S

um You know, I think it was evident from the sidewalk as you as you leave pleasant point.

S

The site goes up at a clip and we've got to get. We've got to get from the you know from.

S

The house, with a driveway out to pleasant drive, so we can't the driveway, because the driveway.

S

Has to go out there, you really need that retaining wall. Otherwise you don't have adequate access. Okay,.

B

Any other questions the applicant.

B

Thank you, you wrote the public hearing.

B

Anybody wish to speak too far against this application, either here or on zoom.

B

Nobody on zoom, nobody wish to speak. I'm going to close the public hearing.

B

Somebody like to propose a motion. I will make a motion. We vote to find.

G

The application meet the criteria set forth in 10.17.50 and grant the conditional report.

G

Conditional wetland conditional use permit with the following conditions: 1.1 and 1.2.

G

G

Discussion, I mean this site as a whole, is so poorly developed now for being in the buffer.

G

It's it's at least improving it greatly, both with plantings, both with moving out. I mean you can't.

G

Really, honestly, if there wasn't anything on this site, you'd say it's almost undevelopable, so at this point based off of its development already, this makes sense and.

G

They are improving uh the wetland buffer greatly compared to what it exists today. So.

B

Agreed, yes, they are.

B

Any other discussion.

B

Ready for a vote, all those in favor aye, aye aye opposed. You are approved.

B

We have another public hearing on a new matter for lonza requested. Lonza biologic is applicant.

B

For property at 101 international drive within the pease development authority, requesting a site plan.

B

Review approval under chapter 400 of the peas land use controls for 4 200 square foot, cafe.

B

Expansion with associated landscaping, storm water and infrastructure improvements, this property is.

B

On a systems map 305, lot 6 and lies within the airport, business, commercial, district, lu, 22-131.

B

Is here to speak to this application? uh Thank you good evening. My name is neil hanson. I'm.

R

With tyne bond here on behalf of the applicant lonzo biologics, so the proposed project we're.

R

Here tonight, for is a small addition to the front of their main facility at.

R

101 international drive, the addition is so. This is the overall plan of site plan. uh This is.

R

Their existing 101 facility and the area we're focusing on tonight is this 4200 square foot.

R

Two-Story edition off the front of the main building you go next page, please steph.

R

So here's the the zoomed in version of it, so it's a 4, 200 square foot, two story edition the first.

R

Floor will be an expansion of their existing cafeteria area and the second floor will be.

R

Used for additional cubicle space to support their existing employees. The footprint of this addition.

R

Is located in the area that is an existing concrete patio, so it's a large concrete area with.

R

Some gravel surrounding it and it butts right up against the existing sidewalk.

R

And parking area in the front here, so the footprint will be largely within a.

R

Impervious concrete and mostly impervious gravel area and then off over here to the.

R

Right is a second floor or a deck off the second floor, which will cover the expanded patio area.

R

There will be a relocation of there's a retaining wall currently here along the parking lot as.

R

The patio is sort of sunken down in below the parking lots we'll be relocating. That.

R

Retaining wall out to the rear of the sidewalk uh to allow for for egress from the addition.

R

If you go to the next sheet, please so for storm water, we will be connecting the roof trains for.

R

This new addition and deck into a closed drainage system we'll be running it through.

R

A jellyfish filtration unit and then connecting it into the existing storm water system on site.

L

Due to the fact that the area is mostly impervious or gravel, now we don't have any.

R

Peak increases of storm water from this project. If you go to the next sheet, please and then.

R

There's some additional utility work involved with this there's an existing grease trap. That's.

R

Located in the existing patio, so we will need to relocate that further away from the building.

R

Which is shown here to accommodate the addition that existing grease trap actually outlets back.

R

Under the building out to goose bay drive so because we're moving it further away from the.

R

Building we're going to need to be connecting that out into the sewer that runs down the shoulder of.

R

International drive, as opposed to reconnecting it to its existing outlet, so that is the the project.

R

And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Any questions for the applicant.

B

Yes, I just have a question of interest, um so you need this cafe: expansion plus first floor office.

C

And second floor office um of 4 200 square feet to support your existing workforce so.

C

I mean how much has your workforce increased uh so basically, there's not enough space in the building.

R

For the current employees they have wanza has a number of satellite offices at uh p's as well.

R

So, just from the the sheer number of people they have there, they don't have the the space they need.

R

For everyone that they currently employ, so you mean, like people, come from off-site to have lunch.

C

There, like from your other sites, uh the cafeteria, is to support the employees that work at this.

R

Specific building, but it's just it's not adequate for the the people that they have on site. It's.

R

There's a lot crammed into this building and they just need more space, so there hasn't been.

C

An increase in workforce, I'm sure there has, since the cafeteria was originally built, but.

R

It's nothing, you know just to increase over time, as as the site's been built out over the years.

B

Any other questions I went for the planning director is that an hour or later.

D

Why don't you try now uh beverly, I'm just a little confused um about how portsmouth planning board.

D

Works with the pda so tonight we'll be making a recommendation correct. We won't be approving this.

D

Is that how it works so, and I did provide some background information in your memo about so.

F

There's two things that govern this. The first thing is this is specifically called out in.

F

State law and there's a provision that I provided you talking about how land use review occurs.

F

um Within the peace development authority, so that part is the first piece, but the second.

F

Part is really the most important piece that they may elect to adopt their own lenders. Regulations.

F

And then they may subject those to board review for the jurisdictions for which the projects fall.

F

In in this particular case, this project falls in portsmouth jurisdiction and their land use.

F

Code provides that the planning board may review and it is a final decision when the planning.

F

Board reviews this, but if they choose to appeal the decision, they appeal to the p's development.

F

Authority board and that's how it will go. So whatever is decided this evening, they will it.

F

Will be by these stipulations that you create will be binding and they'll observe those stipulations.

F

If they choose to appeal that they would appeal that to their own board, so this won't have to go.

D

Before the pda board, this will not, unless they choose to appeal it. If I'm correct about that.

F

That's my understanding, mike bates from the pda good afternoon or good evening, everyone, my name.

E

Is michael mates, I'm an engineering project manager with the peace development authority.

E

And um the the way this this works is you guys make a recommendation to our board.

E

And unless it gets appealed, like beverly said it's it's, it stands. um If you have any specific.

E

Questions about the process I'd be happy to answer them. Okay, yes, thank you, uh but there's some parts.

D

Of the pda, where we don't have authority, like millionaire, didn't come before us, so in your.

F

In your memo identified the districts that are subject to review, this does fall within the.

F

The airport business, commercial district and as part of their uh land use code, they identify.

F

Which area which um districts do fall within uh this jurisdiction and which districts do not.

F

And that is a part of your memo. I can list those off if you'd like, if I may, um whenever there's a.

E

Prop a project in the business commercial zone or the industrial zone on the trade port. That's in.

E

The city of portsmouth, we refer everything over to you, guys for your expertise and your participation.

E

If it's in the airport industrial zone or it's in the airport zone, then we act as our own planning.

O

Board because the airport is such a unique piece of property and then just like we come to you guys.

E

When there's a prop project in portsmouth, we go to newington. If there's a project in newington.

E

And we ask for their assistance in evaluating the project. Okay, all right! Thank you.

D

I'm all set thanks any other questions to the applicant.

B

Open the public hearing anybody here wish to speak too far against this application. Anybody on zoom.

B

Last call public hearings closed. What's the board's pleasure.

B

Go ahead, I'm looking at anyone else. Anyone else want to make a motion today, all right, I'll vote.

G

To recommend site plan review approval to the peace development authority as presented second.

B

To explain it any discussion.

G

I I I've seen a lot of development at peace, so we've done this many times, and this is probably.

G

The smallest expansion that um lonza has done over my decade of looking at it, so it's pretty minimal.

B

Any other discussion, all those in favor aye, aye aye opposed you are approved, you're just really.

A

Efficient beth, no, I don't. Somebody else should make a motion come on guys, step out.

B

We have another public hearing, request of road to the west, llc is owner and applicant for property.

B

140 west road requesting amended site plan approval to improve and install stormwater.

B

Infrastructure relocated, dumpsters, install landscaping, increase parking from 102 spaces to.

B

Under 222 spaces, where 119 are required, property is located in sustenance map, 252 lot 2-13 and lies.

B

Within the industrial district, lu 22-99 who's here to speak to this application this evening,.

B

Good evening, mr chair members of the board, I'm attorney john boston. I represent the applicant.

E

Along with alex ross from ross engineering and martini from mchenry architecture,.

E

Our client, alex choquette is also here with us tonight to help answer any questions you.

E

May have the proposal before you is for the conversion of the former blitz trampoline.

E

Park at 140 west road into a membership, only indoor recreational facility that will feature.

E

Golf simulators race, car simulators, pool tables, arcade games, there's ax, throwing there's a gym.

E

There's a lounge and they'll also be 3 000 square feet of office space. The applicants.

E

Been before the zoning board and received a variance to allow this indoor recreational use.

E

And we've also been through tax, so this is our final stop. Where we're seeking site plan approval.

E

For this, this use, the client is making a number of improvements to the site both to the interior.

E

Of the building and to the exterior of the building in terms of landscaping, also going to be.

E

Installing a storm water system that will detain, infiltrate and treat a runoff where none currently.

E

Exists so with that background, I would like to invite the architect martini to the podium mark's.

E

Going to walk us through the interior of the site, then alex ross will walk you through some of the.

E

Exterior improvements, then the team is available to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.

P

Good evening mark giannini from mchenry architecture, as john noted, you know he.

P

Basically went through a lot of the program that uh we're uh planning on providing for the interior.

P

As you mentioned, also, it's a it's a reuse of an existing building that was blitz.

P

uh It has a mostly a warehouse appearance.

P

Part of the program is infilling and providing a second floor or a mezzanine.

P

So the first floor is approximately 18 000 square feet and we'll be in filling on the second floor.

P

uh We'll be infilling on the second floor here about two thirds of the.

P

Building and providing another approximately uh thirteen thousand square feet of infill.

P

The the program in interior use, as was mentioned, we have a number of golf simulators here on the.

P

First floor, as well as axe throwing there's a kind of a multi-function space here that are.

P

Going to be used for some events, the applicant is involved with a number of non-profits and he's.

P

Hoping that he can use this as a facility that nonprofits can have fundraisers and other events.

P

To the right on the first floor, we're providing a kitchen that's going to help support again those.

P

Spaces as well as the bar and restaurant function, that's happening here and then on the second floor.

P

Are some of the similar functions uh we're going to again have skull simulators here and.

P

The golf simulators are more than just golf they're, actually any any really. Sport thing.

P

Have balls baseball across soccer, they can be used for multiple things. We also have a lounge.

P

Out in the space some office spaces, there's a corporate office here and then at the moment we've.

P

Got an area that's proposed office space, that's leasable and will be built out in the future.

P

For the most part, we're not really making any changes to the exterior of the building.

P

There's two stair towers, one on the on the left and one on the top of the page here that are being.

P

Added for egress for that second floor infill and then there's a dozen or so windows that.

P

Are being added to provide some natural light that doesn't exist at the moment, but in general.

P

The exterior facade is going to, for the most part, remain untouched.

P

Some of that I will turn it over to alex who can talk more about the site, improvements.

T

Thanks john and mark.

T

I'm alex ross, I prepared the site plans that have been submitted.

T

As discussed, this is a fully developed two acre site that.

T

Was built out in the late 80s and is kind of in need of a lot of uh site upgrades and improvements.

T

um And and the owner has really done a lot of designed a lot of improvements for this site.

T

um If we could go to the existing conditions plan.

T

On this site, there's a lot of pavement and not a lot of landscape and very little in the way of.

T

Stormwater drainage control, if we could go to the site plan.

T

um One thing we wanted to do here was collect as much runoff as we could from the roof.

T

Run that into storm water cisterns that could be used for.

T

Site irrigation and we've also designed two jellyfish systems to filter, storm water, runoff.

T

And redesigned a storm water detention pond out back, there's actually no wetlands on this site.

T

But further to the north, all this this site, drainage, goes into a large wetland area.

T

If we could skip to the landscape plan.

T

um So we had, we had a lot of positive um feedback from tac we've added lots of landscape.

T

Along west road along the eastern sideline as well as outback and in the parking landscaped islands.

T

um We we have performed seven test bits on site to.

T

Verify that the soil conditions were adequate for the proposed.

T

Drainage design, we did prepare a drainage design and a traffic study that was submitted to dpw.

T

And in your staff memo, the planning department did recommend that this project be approved with a.

T

List of conditions I'd be happy to to run through those conditions. uh If the board would like.

T

They're all minor and um are you in agreement with those conditions we are in agreement with.

B

All those kids and you don't need to read them: okay, yep, so that that pretty much covers it. It's.

T

It's just a huge improvement, as as far as site work to to a site that is kind of in need of it.

T

And I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have. Thank you see questions of the applicant.

B

Team yesterday, um yes, I just wanted to ask how many parking spaces you're going to end up with.

T

Yeah, so if we could go to the parking plan.

T

um So in our plant set.

T

We have a parking plan that lists.

T

All the spaces- and we come up with 119 parking spaces, and is that what you expect at your.

C

Your peak capacity is anywhere between 119 and 119 times. Two people in a car.

C

Are you can the building hold that kind of capacity so I'll? Let mark handle that.

P

um The the building can hold you know per code, which is what we're designing egress.

P

For you know, over 500 people- um and you know- per the zoning we've gone through.

P

And and part of your packet, there should be a the calculations that we provided for.

P

To meet the zoning requirements for parking, so we basically came up with using a shared.

P

The shared mythology of the assembly use, which is the majority of the building and the small portion.

P

That's office and came up with 119 as part of the calculation, so we're providing 119 spaces.

C

And um I see the extensive traffic analysis that you have there.

C

It looks like the peak for in your traffic analysis, is 104 cars going in and out.

C

Can can you tell me how that whatever the peak is for your traffic analysis.

C

Lines up with your actual operating hours, because our this is not an eight to five business. Is it.

P

I can't speak to the traffic analysis alex can, but you know it's not an eight to five business.

P

It's probably more late morning to you know. You know evening evening, late night time, but.

T

And uh just to add more information on the traffic study, um we did work closely with.

T

uh Eric eby um and he actually wanted a couple of different scenarios of how the traffic would flow.

T

So we did a couple of different uh studies and submitted that all to eric and uh he was.

T

Happy with that that the end result is there's, there's really no impact.

B

Any other questions.

B

No other questions I'm going to open the public hearing.

B

A doubtful possibility: does anybody wish to speak too far against this application? Anybody on zoom.

B

No hands being raised, I'm going to close public hearing.

B

More discussion, I make a motion that we vote to grant site plan.

G

Review approval with the following stipulations: 1.1 through 1.11, a second.

B

Any discussion.

G

I'll, if nobody else wants to talk, I always want to talk. um I really you know. I love the idea of.

G

This in this specific place, because a lot of the businesses in that area are really daytime.

G

Businesses, so their peak is earlier in the morning and probably earlier in the evening than the peak.

G

Is going to be so, traffic will really probably be a symbionic with each other. um I also love all.

G

Of the improvements, drainage and landscaping that they're doing to this area, it's really gonna sort.

G

Of take a site, that's actually visible from route 1 and make it, in my opinion, a lot more pleasing.

G

To the eye than what exists there now, so I think overall, it's a goes in the right direction of good.

B

Any other comments, all those in favor aye, aye aye opposed. You are approved.

B

Thank you. Thank you very much. That's pretty cool.

B

We have another public hearing request of christopher h, garrett revocable trusted.

B

2007 as owner and applicant for property at 1299, islington street we're casting preliminary final.

B

Subdivision approval to subdivide one existing lot with 27 366 square feet or 628 thousands acres.

B

Of area and 199 300 feet of street fighters into two lots as follows: lot one with 15 000 square.

B

Feet or 344 thousands acres of lot area and 100 feet of street frontage and proposed lot 2 with 12.

B

366 square feet or 284 thousand acres of lot area and 99 and 3300 feet of street frontage.

B

This properties on accessories map 233 lot 119, is in the single residence b district value, 22-33.

B

Who is here to speak to this application? Hello again uh for the record I'm alex ross, I prepared.

T

The plans for this site, uh I'm here with the owner chris garrett,.

T

As well as jenna and ryan, who would like to build a house on this lot.

T

If we could go to the site, photos that were included in the packet.

T

So this is the the first site photo, which is just an aerial.

T

So this site is, on the right hand, side as you're, headed out of town on islington street.

T

There's probably a couple of familiar landmarks: there.

T

There's an old whole barn on the site and we're almost across the street from essex avenue.

T

That the owner has lived um there with their family for many generations. I think over 100 years.

T

Actually- and um it's such a large parcel they'd like to make this subdivision, we did go to zba.

T

There was some support from all the direct abutters for this project and we did receive.

T

The necessary variances um we, we did have uh two positive uh tax meetings to go through the project.

T

So if we could go to the plant set.

T

And this is the subdivision plan.

T

So you can see on this plan on the right hand, side of the parcel.

T

Is the existing house and existing barn.

T

And then the left or western portion is the vacant land, which would be subdivided into a building lot.

T

If we can flip to the next sheet, the site plan.

T

So, on this site plan we showed one possible house layout configuration driveway.

T

Layout to work work through with tack, we positioned the the driveway at the peak.

T

Of islington street, so it provides good sight distance at the location. um Then the driveway.

T

Leads to the house and then behind the house would be the septic system, the leech field. So at this.

T

Location in islington street, the city sewer actually stops over around essex ave and it's.

T

Common uh many of the the parcels down here have their own uh leech field or on-site septic system.

T

And again, in your.

T

Staff memo the planning board, did recommend approval with a list of.

T

Conditions that I'd be happy to go through they're all minor.

T

And we accept all of them and you don't need to read them again. Thank you.

B

Any questions for the applicant yes jane. Could you just show me where the 12 inch tree, that you think.

C

Needs to be possibly removed due to sight sure, um so that would be, and I don't know if we can.

T

Zoom in right there, but there there's a tree just to the right of where we're proposing the driveway.

T

And- and that was discussed at tac to make sure that um we had a good, clear sight line there.

C

If you remove the tree, could you plant another one, so there's actually a very large tree that.

T

Is shown on the plant set as well.

T

So almost where the the new sideline will be there's a 45 inch tree, so that will remain.

T

It's this uh small tree that is actually in the right of way that would be removed.

T

And, and that shows up on the site plan. Okay, thank you.

B

Yes, jim, uh mr ross, uh I noticed uh as far as the two lots being created one's the existing.

D

And then there'll be a new a new lot to the west. The existing home is on sewer. I see a sewer line.

D

Extending out some distance, it doesn't really show where it ties in, but does does it make any sense.

D

To have the new lot also tie in with an easement or something or why would they prefer a septic.

D

When they have sewer so close by yeah, so we did, we did have some meetings with dpw and a lot of.

T

Discussions with that and we we actually scoped the existing sewer line. um So what happens? Is the.

T

City line stops somewhere back in here and then there's just a line up to this existing house.

T

This this line here is old portions of an old clay line, so.

T

Dpw has stated if this house were to be tied into the city line. They'd want a new manhole.

T

A new trench in the right-of-way, a new pvc line and possibly a new manhole down here. So it's.

T

Several hundred feet uh a pretty expensive endeavor for just one house.

T

um We have done uh four test pits on the new parcel. It has very good soil and and could support.

T

A septic so so, essentially it became cost prohibitive and not worth the expense. Correct.

B

Any other questions.

B

Thank you open a public hearing. Anybody here wish to speak too far against this application. Anybody on zoom.

B

Over here is closed.

B

Measure the board: anybody else want to make a motion.

G

Oh dear lord vote I'll make a motion. We vote to grant preliminary final subdivision.

G

With the following stipulations: 1.1 through 1.10, second.

B

Any discussion.

B

Yes, james, I just have a comment that is really refreshing to see.

C

A single house going in to a single residence, zoned area.

C

Hallelujah any other discussion.

B

All those in favor aye, aye aye, opposed you are approved.

B

Thank you very much. That's a really good opportunity.

G

Because single family homes don't typically have to come before us, since the subdivision that came before us.

C

It's true, but I still like it. I just thought I'd make that point. We have a discussion about the.

B

Capital improvement plan, um I will announce and it hasn't it's purely coincidental- that two of the.

B

Members who will be on the planning board portion of the capital improvements aren't here tonight.

B

Mr mohan, mr clark and myself will be doing it. You would need to take that action this evening. So.

F

uh Stephanie, can you pull up the presentation? We have a short presentation this evening. It is for.

F

The uh benefit of the um community and also the planning board and stuff, if you don't mind.

F

Pulling that up I'll walk through that and try and be quick about it, because I know it's late.

F

So uh good good evening, it's good late evening.

F

uh Tonight's uh presentation officially kicks off this year's cip plan development um tonight.

F

I'm going to cover what the capital improvement plan is or the cip um what it isn't and talk about.

F

That, too, provide an overview of the process and timeline and discuss public input opportunities.

F

Go ahead, so cip is a six year plan for prioritizing and planning for major.

F

Capital projects such as roadway, paving and building improvements- it is a planning document.

F

Alone, it does not commit any funding and it works as a tool to help in budget development.

F

And for the public, it provides three very important things. It provides an informational.

F

Tool to understand city's long-term budget strategy to and how they're going to essentially.

F

Pay for large projects, it's an opportunity to actually recommend and suggest projects.

F

And thirdly, it's an open opportunity to comment on projects that are before uh the planning board.

F

And city council, as both uh board, as both um bodies, do hold public hearings. Thank you. Thanks.

F

So why do we do the cip process and the main reason is it's a very it's good.

F

Planning helps us to prepare for long-range uh pro long-range budget budget impacts for.

F

Large capital projects, it allows us to anticipate those costs and spread them out over years. If.

F

Needed- and it also helps us to plan in advance and let the public understand what's coming.

F

But it's equally important: it is required under state law that we develop a capital improvement.

F

Program under rsa 674.5, this should be developed to include major projects current currently.

F

Underway and it should also be developed to help us prepare for future projects to be undertaken.

F

Most important, the state notes is that the sole purpose and the intent of the cip.

F

Is to help the mayor and council in their annual budget development.

F

uh In accordance with state law, the city has adopted process language into the charter.

F

Which provides that the manager shall prepare and submit to the council six-year capital program at.

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Least three months prior to the final date for the submission of the budget. So this gives us a pretty.

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Early timeline in the budget process- and this is why we are kicking this off now.

F

uh The cat, the cip plan, should include a general summary of the contents, a list of all capital.

F

Improvements proposed during the next six years, cost estimates, methods of financing recommended.

F

Time schedules for each improvement and estimated annual operating and budget maintenance costs.

F

Well, this is a really important slide. um Often we get lots of applications that do not meet.

F

The threshold for what a capital improvement project is so we thought it'd be important to.

F

Include a little bit of information about what qualifies generally speaking, it is.

F

Land acquisition, construction or expansion of public facility street utility or infrastructure.

F

Rehabilitation of public facility or capital, I mean, or public infrastructure.

F

Provided the cost is more than fifty thousand dollars, design work or studies related to.

F

Capital projects or implementation of the master plan, any item or piece of equipment.

F

Non-Vehicular in nature that costs more than fifty thousand dollars and have.

F

Has a life expectancy of more than five years replacement purchase of vehicles which have.

F

A life expectancy of more than five years or costs more than fifty thousand dollars.

F

What are the plan inputs? How do we arrive at the list of projects that ultimately get adopted into.

F

The cip there's three main uh avenues to for projects to be in the cip. The first is taking.

F

A look at the adopted plan for the prior year in this case it'd be fiscal year. 23-28.

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We look at the projects that were adopted. Those are moved forward and updated to represent any.

F

Budget changes related to those plans or changes in feasibility. Some plans occasionally drop.

F

Off other times that they are adjusted as as the funding might be, we might have a better.

F

Understanding where the funding might requirements might have changed, citizens can suggest projects.

F

And we'll talk a little bit more about that at the very end of the presentation, because we definitely.

F

Want to make the public aware of how to do that and then and then finally, staff can submit new.

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Projects that aligned with the aforementioned criteria and guidelines that I provided.

F

um You would like to just I just want to and I'll iterate this a couple times we'd like to.

F

Receive all those submittals before september 30 to ensure.

F

um Their inclusion and consideration uh as part of the cip program as we like to get.

F

All those together and go through them and we'd like to see those before the end of september.

F

So how are projects evaluated and prioritized? I think it probably is not surprising that we.

F

Receive probably a lot more projects than we have funding for, and we have a lot more project ideas.

F

Generated from staff than we have funding for so we um really. We take a look at the these criteria.

F

That are before you um right now, and this is really the first place that staff begins as we.

F

Start to evaluate and work with, the city, manager's office and ultimately, the planning.

F

Advisory committee, which will help refine those recommendations, but we take a look at whether.

F

They respond to a federal or state requirement. Do they address public health and safety need? Do they.

F

Alleviate substandard conditions or deficiencies. Are they eligible for matching funds that have.

F

A limited time frame for implementation and we need to respond quickly or lose that opportunity.

F

Their timing or location coordinate with another um synergistic project or project close by if.

F

We're doing one project, it makes sense and we get some cost economy by doing them simultaneously.

F

Then we would, uh we would prioritize that um I've been identified in a planning document or study.

F

They improve quality of or provide added capacity to existing services, reduce long-term operating.

F

Costs provide incentives to economic development or respond to citywide goal or submitted resident.

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Request, it's important to note that, although these factors are utilized consistently in evaluating.

F

Project submittals that we also take into account the public health and safety that might might.

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Cause a project to leap, to the front, something new that we're weren't aware of and we need to address.

F

We would take a look at emerging community needs that have been articulated through to the to.

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To staff and counsel and elected and appointed officials, we take a look at those.

F

We'd also take a look at council priorities that have emerged.

F

This allows the process to have some predictability by consistently applying those.

F

Standards but also allows it to be nimble and responsive to conditions that change.

F

All projects are evaluated for funding to determine what funding sources could.

F

Be potentially utilized and then how, once we understand how they'll be paid.

F

For how that will ultimately impact the budget, what resources are available and.

F

The impacts to both short-term and long-term budgets and staff, as I mentioned before, we'll.

F

Work with the city manager and the planning board advisory committee to prioritize projects.

F

Based on the aforementioned criteria, but also with a couple of general guidelines, some funding impact.

F

A general reuse for capital outlay and I'll talk a little bit more about that.

F

Is to cap that at something not greater than two percent I'll talk a little bit what that means.

F

Of the annual budget and then debt service for projects that are financed is is typically.

F

Capped at less than 10 percent, um we fall uh well under the state requirements with that 10 percent.

F

I could tell I am told just today by finance that our capital.

F

Actually falls at one percent I'll talk a little bit more about that.

F

um It's uh the cip, is a planning document. I think- and I I don't want to over emphasize.

F

That point, but I want to also help the community understand that it's an.

F

Important planning document it's a required planning document, but it does not provide.

F

Any financial commitment uh the project is proposed, there's not a financial commitment.

F

Even if the project makes the plan it's reviewed and adopted by the planning board,.

F

Still, we have no financial commitment as we move through the review and adoption by city council.

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And propose it for the annual budget. Still we have no financial commitment.

F

It is with the budget adoption that we start to see a limited financial commitment, I'll talk. What.

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That means so, let's take a look at what happens to projects when they make it into that budget.

F

As I mentioned before, this slide illustrates how project funding is accounted for in the budget.

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Capital outlay, which is essentially a way that projects can be funded the best way to describe.

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That is pay as you go. Funding city goal is to allocate not more than two percent we're at one.

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Percent or very conservative in that and it's appropriated immediately upon the start of the.

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Next fiscal year that out that cap, that capital outlay will be available, um projects can also be.

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Funded through bonding or financing or borrowing unlike capital outlay, there is a step two to.

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That so, even though a project may have made it into the annual budget, if it is identified for.

F

Bond issuance or for borrowing there there's a second process, which means that um that we.

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Would have to have a separate public hearing and a vote by city council for that project to.

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Move forward as a funded project- and this is uh so there's two parts to that- so projects that.

F

Are identified for that would or still have to go through another threshold. Another public hearing.

F

I just want to just to reiterate that I mentioned this at the beginning. There's uh there's.

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Opportunities for public input through project submission we would want to. You know we have we've.

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Simplified the form this year to make that easier than ever and provided three ways to do that.

F

um We will have a public hearing with the planning board uh once the advisory.

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Committee has um has finalized that or refined that we will have a public hearing with the.

F

Planning board and the planning board will make a recommendation to council for adoption.

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Council, in turn will have a public hearing and then there will be a public hearing. That's part.

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Of the city council budget, that, towards closer towards the end of the fiscal year,.

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We are at the beginning, the kickoff. We started it early because we are trying to make sure that we.

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Hit those milestones we have pro project kickoff today and we are inviting applications uh today.

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To start to come to, uh applications that have been submitted before today will still be included.

F

uh Because we really do take those most of the year and we put them in a file and say.

F

Well, we'll bring this up later, and but we are certainly um asking the public at this point.

F

If they have been holding any reserve, this is the time we'd like to see those uh completed by.

F

September 30th, in october, we, as I mentioned, we'll start to review those we'll also work on the city.

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Staff submittals and the city financials are prepared and the documents are um assembled to.

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To move that the entire cip forward planning board will review in november and december, the.

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The recommendations of the advisory committee and the staff hold a public hearing and recommend.

F

Adoption um based on whatever refinements they provide and send it forward to council who will.

F

In turn, hold their public hearing adopt and move it forward to be considered as part of the budget.

F

I don't want to miss a chance to talk just briefly about the three ways that.

F

The citizens might submit projects of interest, you can go to city of portsmouth or plan portsmouth.

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And there's a link on that. This presentation has also been posted um and in that at that.

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Link, you will go to a landing page which provides a fillable form we've simplified that year and got.

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Rid of some of the planner ease speak so that it's really clear just a project description.

F

We've also um provide there's a link for citizen requests that will take you to viewpoint.

F

I think, for a lot of folks viewpoint is an extra step that they probably don't want to do.

F

But we did get quite a few last year through that through that online portal, and so that is another.

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Option available or you can go to the planning department, where we have hard copies available.

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And you can fill out a form and submit it that way, and so these are the three ways.

F

We put in there the deadline is september. 30Th we'd like to uh invite those those.

F

Starting today, so I'd be glad to answer any questions for you. Thank you. Thank you very much.

E

Thank you beverly. That's really helpful. um What kind of notification or.

E

How has the public get to know? Is it it's it's about other than from this meeting and and.

E

Knowing that it's there, it's going to be a lot of people that don't and might not see the meeting.

F

It's a very good question and we recognize that folks don't often sit and watch meetings, so we are.

F

Going to be working with our uh with a stephanie c cord who helps with our communications to utilize.

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Social media and try and identify as many ways as we can to put you know, get that information.

F

Out there, city council have this presentation monday um and we're going to. uh We actually had.

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Talked about, we have a separate page, but we will try and use whatever that we have at our disposal.

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To try and get the word out with the links and the information we, I think this council is.

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Really dedicated towards um public awareness and transparency will work and has really given us a.

F

Directive to be more broadly disseminate that, and so we'll we're working to accommodate that request.

C

And beverly is there any minimum? You know amount for a project that a resident would propose so.

F

I think the general uh guideline, for that is fifty thousand dollars. Fifty thousand dollars.

C

And do they have to work out their own budget? We have not asked that they do that. We, you know.

F

We would take a look at it, I mean, I think a lot of them come in and are directed to. I think.

F

uh Traffic and safety, uh but definitely we would take a look at that and try and identify and then.

F

I think what we have in the cip is really a really comprehensive list of all the requests.

F

That come in and how the staff responded to each one. We try and keep a good record of that.

F

And so that folks can check in and see how the project was essentially.

F

Evaluated directed to another process, and we will try and inform folks about that as we go along.

B

Thank you very much. Can I just make one comment really quickly just for anyone that might still.

G

Be listening to us at this hour, I always have used in my neighborhood I'd use the cip project.

G

And putting in citizen requests is we wanted sidewalks and we had been asking and asking.

G

So, every year we would submit it because you know when everyone really wants something, then.

G

It's more it's more, it's more possibility that it might get moved up and people are.

G

Paying attention so, in some cases a lot of those requests are things that are already in the books.

G

But I'll say it again on monday, I promise before everybody leaves franco didn't have.

B

An announcement for us yeah- I want to thank you guys all for uh having me here, but tonight's gonna.

A

Be my last meeting, I am resigning my position on the board. Unfortunately, I just can't I don't.

A

Have the ability to make the time commitment to be here for meetings and everything so.

K

Thanks for your time, thank you. Thank you very much for your time. Yes, thank you.

B

And with that, we are adjourned.