City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Technical Advisory Committee, 5 Sep 2023

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9.5.2023 Technical Advisory Committee

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Call the september 5th site plan review technical advisory committee meeting to.

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Order I'll note that we have a quorum first item of business is the approval of the minutes.

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From august 1st, I move to approve motion to approve. Is there a second? Second all in favor.

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I, um before we get into new business I'll note that uh the application for 11 state.

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Street for the parking cup they've requested to postpone so we'll move that to the uh october.

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Meeting that brings us to item a the request of pe development authority owner for property.

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Located at 360 corporate drive requesting construction of a three-story healthc care.

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Complex with approximately 52,000 squ ft of gross floor area to allow space for up to.

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10 tenants, which include an ambulatory surgical center, imaging center and plastic surgery center.

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The project includes 125 vehicle parking spaces, two loading docks as well as associated, paving.

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Storm water management, lighting utilities and landscaping said property is located on assessor.

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Map 315 lot 5 and lies within the airport business commercial district who's here to.

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Present- and I have your presentation- is that if that's what you want to, that would be.

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View yeah, you can always scroll through it all right. Let.

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Me here we go all right, go ahead. All right! My name is jeff kilberg, I'm with apex design, build I'm a.

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Project director with apex we've been working extensively with uh not only atdg but obviously.

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The pda, in the background this is my colleague, jason yeah. My name is jason borf. I am also in.

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The opera, in the same capacity as jeff kilberg, with apex design, build and uh really appreciate.

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The opportunity to come before you and present this project and look forward to hearing you guys' feedback, so just to start off. uh Obviously, first page here I know you guys uh were part of.

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The workshop sasha, we really appreciate the feedback there, obviously as well, but but this.

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Is a view from corporate drive? So if you were looking uh basically about northeast is what.

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It ends up being uh that's the front facade of the building and then, if you go to the next page, gives.

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You another perspective from the corporate drive entrance on the top right and then the rear of the.

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Building basically gives it a large atrium effect that looks out the rear at the wetland space. uh It.

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Features a 6.12 acre site, uh modern architectural design, with neutral color scheme that also.

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Complement neighboring buildings, uh contrasting entries for w uh w finding front canopy for.

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Covered uh patient pickup and drop off uh upscale durable uh commercial grade materials uh features.

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Fiber reinforced cement panels, heavy gauge aluminum composite cladding uh high volume of.

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Glazing as you can all see, both front and rear of the building uh in terms of plan right now, imaging.

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Center ambulatory surgery, center uh plastic, reconstructive surgery are the three planned.

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Options uh we're still in discussions with other tenants and have had good conversations in the.

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Background um there's a total of 124 parking spots. We did have a mri trailer located at the back and.

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I think that was talked uh through a little bit more in depth. Last time and the building inside.

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Design has really been meticulously designed, as you all are aware, there's a lot of wetlands on the.

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Site and we worked in the background with the pda to come to a spot where we're not affecting any.

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Wetlands or wetland buffer, so moving to the next page, um wanted to give you guys, you know direct.

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Feedback from the the previous workshop meeting, I know some of this font is a little bit small.

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What I did is isolate things that were big picture items that needed to be addressed absolutely for.

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This meeting now there's a number of comments that came as a result of uh we'll call it details that.

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Would come on like construction, documentation or permanent level document ation, and I know there's.

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Some additional questions that came out from today as well that we would like to talk to um mr how or.

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Mr, how how uh drive aisle width was increased at at the front of the building 26 ft, so that.

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Allowed us to to shorten uh basically the parking spots at that location. We are providing clearances.

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For emergency vehicles, whether it's fire truck or ambulance in that situation, um public works.

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Feedback, so there was a question about underground power connections. We have talked to eversource.

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This has been incorporated and updated on the site plan. I know there's a a comment that came through.

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Today about an open trench versus uh directionally, boring and we'll definitely take that into account.

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For the next rendition um there are two water services to the building now so we have the.

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Fire service and the domestic wi uh domestic water service as well. Those will be final sized.

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Per the mechanic engineer um and obviously we're engaged with mechanical engineer in the project.

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To get through those phases, the mill and repave on international and corporate drive, I understand.

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That we need to further delineate this on the drawings, but it has been incorporated for the.

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Time being and then hoping to get some feedback from you all on what that looks like in terms of.

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Delineation spots, where you'd like to start and stop uh the landscaping plan feedback, there was.

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A general note that came back through today and in terms of um planting and I'm assuming what.

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We'll do is update that on our permit, drawing set, but basically the the landscaping plan has been.

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Designed to meet all requirements of portsmouth uh revisions to the survey for full extent of.

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The water main and for the certified wetland scientist stamping so all that has taken place.

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The full extent of the water main is shown on the survey and it has been stamped off by damon, bert.

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Of fragle rock environmental and then mr eevee, you had some questions on truck turning radi.

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The entrances we did increase the radi and I know there's another question I came back through today.

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um But obviously the site's been designed for a wb 62, which has a 48t trailer and a 15t truck cab.

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Assembly, uh the site ex itself has logical access points from both international and corporate drive.

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But accommodates placement of the mri trailer on the norther northerly side of the imaging.

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Center, um it's anticipated that that mri trailer will be there every 3 to 6 months at maximum.

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Potentially, even less and then we did adjust the radi, but I think there's some feedback on.

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The corporate drive side, where uh sounds like it', be good to adjust their radi slightly more at that.

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Point so this is the updated survey um just wanted to show that it has.

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Been updated stated does have a stamp at the lower right side for the wetland.

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Sign next page, this is just a depiction. uh I know we've talked about previously and.

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The pda has stressed this to us: is the site has to be compatible for keeping all spoils on site.

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So this is a net positive site. um This shows a depiction of site preparation plan along with.

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Spoil stockpile located at the lower left hand corner jumping over to the next. There is uh a.

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Question on storm water management plans: this is obviously uh we're getting. I would say like at.

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80% set essentially right now, so, basically, once we get to a permit level drawing this will all.

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Be accommodated, you'll have further details of the underground system, um but right now.

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It's uh stipulated to be an ads underground, storm water management system. It does feature treatment.

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Devices prior to entering wetlands to mitigate any issues that may come, the uh storm water.

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Runoff out of the last meeting, there was some conversation regarding the sidewalk.

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So the sidewalk has been adjusted, there's a couple new conversations that came outside of.

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That um most, notably the ada ramps at the entrance off of international those will.

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Have to be incorporated, there will have to be uh accommodation to the bus drop off area and we'll.

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Get into f further detail on that as well. Well as the mill and paving, but I did want to highlight.

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Those items have been updated as of right now, as well as the 26t drive aisle at the front of the.

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Building in terms of utilities, so this rendition is obviously very different from.

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The last one we talked about an overhead electrical service to the building. This.

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Rendition is based on ever source's feedback. um Michael b busby gave this feedback directly and.

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Then we've submitted uh foral documentation to them for that service, but basically he's.

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Talking about a redundancy loop that feeds off of the next door, neighbor that being.

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The transformer located at the college and then that would come back through.

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And tie into the underground system, lo located across the street on corporate.

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Drive this does obviously include the two new water services, one fire service and one.

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Domestic, uh we talked a little bit about the radi, so I wanted to include the truck.

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Turning radius to show depiction of movement through the site, um we can.

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Discuss increasing the truck or the radi for truck turning radius at corporate.

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Drive- and I think that's something- that's easily accommodated without a.

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Doubt so, with that said, uh ran through the obviously the things that came up that were.

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Big pertinent items last time, but would appreciate any comments or questions.

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From you all as well um can did you address all the comments that were sent out today or.

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Can you can you run through those if I know sent out just today, but yeah, so we're happy.

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To answer those questions, um just as as a clarity standpoint, I think what we would be requesting is.

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That any changes that come through the drawing phase we'd like to incorporate those on like a.

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Permanent drawing set, there are some details that are being requested that wouldn't come until we'll.

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Say like a cd phase or permit level of drawing. um So that's what we would like to request on.

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The front end and obviously open to your all feedback in terms of driveway on corporate.

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We talked about enlarging, uh larg larger radii there. um This can definitely be updated. I would.

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Just ask what would be the preferred radii that portsmouth would like to see in that.

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Situation, the truck turning movements had the truck going over the yellow line line to make the.

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Movements, so I think that's what they're trying to avoid okay yeah, maybe I'll chime in on that too.

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I'm brian jones with alen major we're the civil engineer and landscape architect for the project.

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uh So, yes, they are crossing over the middle line. um We do see these as sort of irregular.

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Deliveries having a truck of this size, um we can talk to the tenant again to just make sure that.

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A wb 62 is actually required. um I think there is a upper limit to how much the radius is going to.

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Help here um so also the deliveries will be from box trucks. This is, this is over engineered. Sorry,.

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If you're going to speak, just come up and state your name and speak into one of the microphone, my.

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Name is dr slum. I'm uh one of the uh team members I so as um this is very much over engineered the.

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Majority of the deliveries uh that are going to happen, you know, probably over 90%, are going.

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To be just from a box truck like I, you know, I've seen enough trucks stuck in places that you know.

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We are trying to over engineer it, but I do think that um you know at this point if we can make it.

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So they can cr don't cross over the yellow line, we'll do it uh or we'll try to do it, um but you.

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Know as it stands right now, you know this is going to be a rare occurrence for this size.

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This size vehicle realistic, basically, the biggest component uh that brian's pointing out, is probably.

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The width of corporate drive yeah in terms of that so you're not going to be able. You could.

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Increase your radi up to let's say 30, ft um and sure that makes it a general more sweeping corner.

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But yeah without a doubt, I think the the biggest easiest way is probably to reduce um truck size.

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In this instance and the truck turner uh radius to maybe something more of like a 40 foot, total.

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Well, what what you expect to come regularly um there one other thing for consideration, is.

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There's a utility poll on corporate drive uh and if you increase the radius, then that has to be.

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Relocated, which can be done but um but there this is. This is about the upper limit of what um a wb.

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62 m can do just because of how corporate drive is. I mean obviously approaching from the north.

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It's less of an issue: if you're approaching from the south, then, yes, you have to cross the.

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Line yeah, it's not crossing the center line so much as the concerns, but they they're going over.

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The curb on the far side of corporate drive, so just you know right and part of that maybe is.

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Not graphically shown well uh eric the overhang of the truck is shaded, not the wheel path. The.

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Wheel path itself is not going over the curb I got you, um you know the the truck extends beyond.

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The wheels and that that is what the hatch mark shows, which in the winter time there would be a.

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Snow bank there. Theoretically, that could also be a problem, uh although you know it's quite often,.

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For vehicles to have a portion of their front end going over a curb and the wheels are not hitting.

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The curb could you prohibit trucks from entering northbound and just or is that to unorthodox? It's.

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Hard to enforce something like that, it's a rare occurrence. I don't think it's really that big.

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Of what was the radius on the driver? It is, I believe, shown on the drawings, and I we're.

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At 20 and 25 and the 20 is only because there was a utility pole.

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There mhm and then on international drive, it's 30.

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Brian, could we increase the radi to 30 on the north side of that? Yes, I think one of the other.

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Things that we'll do is we'll work with the one of the tenants. The ambulatory surgery center is.

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Being uh will be managed by a firm that has a pretty good beat on what you know, what kind of.

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Or what a lot of their deliver occur with, and I I'll ask them for some we'll solicit some data.

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And then work with that so that we have you know not. [music] uh You know more accurate data and.

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I was going to say too, it could be stipulated within the leas arrangement, with the asc, with.

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Imaging so on and so forth, uh size stipulations of of trucks for delivery without a doubt, yeah. I.

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Think if you went to a 30 foot radius on that one corner, I think that could help a lot and.

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U yeah, you don't want to have situation where you have trucks running over the curb and you.

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Know tearing up making it look lousy in the field exactly right, correct and sorry go ahead with the.

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Rarity of having a truck of this size there and adjusting the radius to 30 ft would that.

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Satisfy what you guys are looking for now or do we need to make an adjustment and re-evaluate.

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And come back, I think that and then we'll also come back with the hey. We think majority of our.

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Deliveries are going to be this, this size, this turning radius, and then I think we do one more.

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uh Potentially one more turning radius exercise with that actual truck just to show how it sits.

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On the new one yeah, I think the 30 foot should do it. The 30 foot radius, great one thing that you're.

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Not showing here is our apparatus and a turning template for that, particularly where we're going.

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To be accessing the front of the building, which is designed as the aial access area.

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Hopefully, that's very rare, but it's also quite important to be get there exactly and that's.

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Something that we can definitely include um in revised drawings up without a doubt just because.

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Even though this truck is a larger, um we don't have a tiller, um so there are times where this.

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Truck will work and our truck won't work and also that to access the front um in the aerial.

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Apparatus road should be 26. Ft is good, but should be a minimum of 15 ft from the building maximum.

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Of 30, when it starts, because we can't be too close to the building and hit the windows, our l.

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Mak, okay, so what uh takeaways I'll say in that case is: let's take a look at the apparatus for.

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Fire engine side, but also uh increase the radi to 30 ft on the. What is the north side.

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Of corporate dve dri entrance you're saying the access aisle can't be right next to the building.

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Got sorry so you may have to put the park the building to do that. You can't push the building.

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Back correct, so as you position your your fire apparatus, it can't be on the let let's say the.

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Bottom side of the drive aisle the west side, 15 ft away from the building. It's a 206t wide.

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Drive aisle, so you could have your fire truck, can still be 15 ft away from the building. I.

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Would just go with um appendix d of the 2018 ifc, which states clearly there'll, be a 26t wide aerial.

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Apparatus, access road, it will be no less than 15 ft from the building and no more than 30 ft.

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From the building, it's pretty clear, okay! Isn't that what we have, though, we have a 20, no, not.

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On the side, swap the parking put the parking against the building and then put the road to.

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The right side and then you'd be maintaining the 15 ft distance to the building. We're not.

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Talking along the front of the building, we are think you're talking about the right over here.

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I'm done sry about that, so we will count this as the front of the building as the aerial at.

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Okay and reaching over the cars is not a concern.

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To we, the turntable was above the level the cars to begin.

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With okay, we might lose a couple of parking spaces, but I don't think that that's maybe two over on.

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The left, but I mean very minor overall yeah. Well, that's yeah, we'll take a look at it and play.

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Around with the apparatus and when you show the turning template just make sure you show it going.

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All the way through and back out, okay, maybe check two [laughter] yeah. There was uh moving on to the.

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Next question: there was talked about uh sidewalk tip downs at intern, international and corporate.

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Intersections on the driveway, then, obviously, with the truncated, dome tiles that comply with ada. So.

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That will be updated on the next version plans, that's missing at international drive and then.

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We'll update also the sidewalk with and dimension ink for that. Can I actually chime in on that too.

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Jeff, sorry um so on international drive we don't actually don't have vision, tip downs there. I know.

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The curb will be flush, but here only this is the only spot that you need them: okay, the truncated.

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Do right there right cross street intersections, we don't require them crossing driveways! Well, the.

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Curb I mean it will be flush um on international drive. Don't need truncated, dome panels, sir, nor do.

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We want them: okay, yeah, I did get thrown on that cu. There was no trunk, a domes. Last time say crossing.

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Driveways last I mean you're right you're right so uh at the intersection yep got it and you're.

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Talking about tip downs at the international drive driveway, yes, so the curb will tip down so you're.

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Just confusing tip downs there: okay, but we're tip down, but it's ti down. There's no truncated.

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Yeah they're flush, yes yeah when I don't need to the curb, will tip down there, but the sidewalk will.

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Just hit the pavement right, so it's not like a you're 8% and, most importantly, there's no cast.

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Iron panels there yeah you got it. Thank you um also, as part of the I'm going to kind of combine.

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It with the sidewalk side is the um wheelchairs at the bus area to be ada8 compliant. This will.

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Have to be updated. Obviously this has been shown as a current setup up and current size setup. So.

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This will have to be updated. uh It was asked that landing areas be 8t by 8t, with full curb heights.

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So we'll definitely accommodate that on the next version does portsmouth have a standard detail.

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That they would refer to in this situation, or we just have brian, create one yeah. The ada standards.

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Okay, um next question confirm: bus shelter is placed correctly with ada accessibility that.

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I'll kind of pan into that side um the 52t width will verify and then get dimensioning.

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Also onto the site plan to accommodate that industrial discharge permit will be required.

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And pre-treatment, so our mechanical engineer is obviously engaged on the project. They'll.

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Review the treatment needs for regulations and we'll provide details on permit level.

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Drawings, storm water management plan was the next item. Obviously this is being about an 80% set.

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That will come into further detail uh as we get into permit level plans and 100% finalize these.

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Items can I can. I just ask the clarification on that, so we did file our drainage report.

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Y, that's uh includes everything that we do for stor water management. Is there something.

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Else that the city's looking for is there a separate storm water management plan in the.

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Back that tells the operator of the site once everybody's gone and the building's built. Yes,.

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How to maintain the storm water system? Yes, so there for? Yes, there is a section.

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That operation and maintenance plan in in the drain report just refer to that: okay,.

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Yeah uh next question was relating to saw cut mill and overlay limits work. uh We would just ask where.

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Is the delineation points that portsmith would request from wherever you disturbing through the.

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Intersection to wherever you're disturbing okay, because it's all relatively brand new pavement.

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So be fixed once you're done right now we show the delineation point stopping just before the.

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Intersection at both corporate and international, you want us to continue through that intersection.

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Or are we okay stopping just before uh it depends on what goes on with that handicap? Ramp.

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Okay, brian, is that enough detail yeah. If we disturb the curb, then we'll fix the pavement. Okay,.

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um Next question was relating to all valves and hydrant must be open, uh left and must stay open.

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Left on gate boxes, assuming this is be something that we can update on permit drawings from that.

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Standpoint as a general note, keep saying that so I just want to because you're not used to.

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Working here this is the only techacal review you get. So this is the last time the drawings.

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Get reviewed, that's why we're specific on! We want to see all these things, because none of.

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These people are going to review this again. Okay, so we need to get all this stuff on the.

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Set so that we can say yes, we can sign off on. It then go plan that makes sense. Thank you for your.

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Clarification uh invert for the drain manhole. I just wanted to confirm location that this was.

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Being referenced ryan, I'm not sure if you, I think we addressed this one. Maybe it's just a carryover.

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From a previous comment, we have inverts on all all the drain manuls. uh But if there's one that.

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We you can, let me know, I think it was in the detail. It didn't really show an invert um in.

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The detail: okay, we generally don't show them on the details, because it's generic detail for and.

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There are many there's you're, confusing the invert elevation versus actually building an.

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Invert, oh a shaped invert! That's right! Okay! I do remember this conversation. Okay, um so just.

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Check the detail, can we just have a quick, quick conversation because drain pipes obviously come.

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In at different elevations they're, not they don't all share the same invert. So we don't.

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Typically, do a shaped bottom on a drain man hole so the main carrier pipe traditionally.

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Around here, at least because the ground so flat does go through, usually at the same elevation.

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Then you might have drop in pipes, so the drop in pipes are not a concern. It's really just keeping.

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The main flow okay through the flow line, and if you have droing pip, that's fine. If you, if.

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They don't have a loose way. They don't need to okay, not sure I have your condition where.

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There's a trunk line, it's very segmented, where it's captured and discharged. um Is it possible.

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That the condition you're talking about isn't on this site, it's possible. Okay. I we viewing every.

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Structure, I wouldn't be able to tell you, okay, I will double check and try to be clear in the.

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Response but the man holes shouldn't have sumps, they should be. The bottom should be the pipe.

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Right right, I think when it they construct them.

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I mean there's usually a little bit just because that's that's what we don't want.

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Right, okay, let me look at it. Usually it's 5 in below that! Yes, but that's.

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What we want filled in it has to be brick and mortar, doesn't have to be concrete in.

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Drainage structures and sewer structures has to be bricking fl. Okay, we can fix that.

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Okay, uh moving on to remove references of rat bur street.

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And catch bas and detail that should be definitely quick, easy one from that.

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Standpoint next question was phil or comment should say, fill annular space around boot and.

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Catch base in and sewer manhole details with mortar. I think we just were discussing that so.

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That will get updated. So that's the space around the pipe inside the structure, yep water services.

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Need to be sized by mechanical engineer that is, will be confirmed and relay back.

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To civil engineering drawings, so if there's any updates that need to be made, they will be.

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Made show piping in infiltration chambers uh with distribution, manifold detail from.

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Manufacturer so I'll just jump in there um we're not proposing a manifold for these systems. It's.

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Not required, uh certainly, we can provide one if the city thinks it's necessary, but.

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um They don't require a manifold system, we have access to the isolator ro for maintenance and.

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Cleaning out and then the snow water just goes through the sides of the chambers in.

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Stone yeah: I think it was the isolator row that we wanted to detail. Okay, I can make sure that.

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Shows up, I think, they're in this particular case, they're talking about the same thing.

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Right but we're not proposing to connect every row of chambers right, but the the isolator row.

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Is the one that collects the sediment? Yes, that's what we want to see in the detail.

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Yes want the manufacturer detail on the isolator road. Okay shows them how to build it. No problem.

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Next question was about planting and lom seaing. Details must meet. City standards was assuming.

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That this was a generic comment that needed to be updated on drawing going to have to do a little.

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Research, I'm not sure what what that means, but I already talk to the landscape architect about it.

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So she'll track it down. Does? Can anybody just call uh our parks people? Is it a seed mix or.

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No, I think it has to do with the lom, as opposed to like a percentage of organics and different.

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Perceptive sorry, who should we be getting the b uh colin hollowell corin corin hollowell.

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Corin thank.

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You and that's a specification that we have to meet cuz, I'm assuming that they're going to strip.

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All the anything that's in the right way, yep just the right of way. That's all they care about. Okay,.

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Okay, next one was about snow storage areas. um We probably need to just make sure we.

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Re-Evaluate snow storage make sure that uh proper amount of space is allocated for that.

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So I think we do a review on that with brian and just make sure that we're uh accommodating.

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For portsmouth water main taps for the city staff was portsmouth looking to see a just a.

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Generic comment on there or um details within the drawing note, so they know who to call.

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Okay and then kind of going along with uh parking lot previously 8 foot wide ada van.

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Isles require no parking signs per uh any I'm sure rsa, so that can I um ask, would the city.

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Accept us doing an 11t parking stall and a 5-ft drive aisle. That is also acceptable under ada8.

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For van, it just feels like sometimes signage overload on these accessible parking spaces.

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mhm Yeah that either either ada standard is acceptional okay. So if I do a 5ot loading.

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But the stall is, I don't need the no parking sign correct that I believe that would be the.

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Preference um statement 20 install fire hydrant in front of billing off of city.

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Main I corporate drive brian. Can we just make a quick update to the drawing on that.

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Absolutely uh telecommunication and electric service connection should be open cut so right.

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Now we had shown directionally bore that was based on a conversation with uh eversource but yeah. We.

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Can definitely get it updated, make sure that it is open, trench and then we'll you're replacing the.

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Pavement anyway, u most importantly, the water milon out there is ac. I believe I think it is yeah. So.

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Hear that want to make sure they don't drill through anything, that's not supposed to drill.

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No stck the line it's been replaced when we did the flow test he did mention. It was.

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Ac pip, so if it's ac, you should put a not on plan just let the contractor putting.

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Them on notice that there hazardous ways to deal with when they, whatever they tap, the m.

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Okay, we'll update that in the uh construction notes as.

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Well and then, obviously, once we show the open trench locations, we'll delineate.

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Then the mill and paving m and where it goes back to mhm last item, was please.

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Indicate which sheet is the recordable site plan so that technically would be.

C

C-102, uh can we have a quick conversation about that? Drawing is it's not any recordable format.

G

Right now um is that something that the city requires: is there any exception, because it's a.

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Pda project: I know they ask for a waiver for 24 by 36, so already there's a a registry issue has.

G

To be 22 by 34 and then there's a lot of other things, the registry doesn't allow grayscale, no.

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Lines crossing text there's a lot of things that have to go in to make a plan recordable at the reg.

G

Is that a city requirement we require the pda is going to record you record the site plan.

A

Correct good afternoon, michael mates, director of engineering with the peace development authority,.

M

Typically, we don't require, uh we don't record the site plans at peas. We record the subdivision.

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Plans and for this property the property's already been subdivided, so it's already been recorded so.

M

You won't require you w't record anything, we don't. We don't record site plans, typically c.

M

Know no recordable plan cuz, it's not a simple thing. I mean it. Obviously we can.

G

Do it, but right if the if pda doesn't require it, then we're not going to require okay. Thank.

A

You, I think those were all the questions and or statements which came through today. All.

C

Right is there any other feedback, any other comments or feedback from tac one more thing.

J

The um the 15x 35 loading zone space in the back, do I recall from the workshop. That's for.

J

Ems you're talking at the what would be the east, we'll call it southeast corner of the.

C

Building, uh yes, that's correct. It was set aside for um not only ems.

C

But also delivery as well, so there's a a component of a loading dock which is.

C

Lower to allow delivery trucks back there and then there's a spot for loading zone.

C

In the back as well for emergency, can we get um a turning template for the.

J

Ambulance based on our ements, they can send you that should email me yeah, probably fine,.

J

But getting into it no problem, I'm going to go in and back up.

J

But turn around coming out little. You want to see any concerns with that. No I mean that that was or just if somebody's loading I.

H

Want somebody to be able to you know, pull up and pick up a patient or collect a specimen or.

H

You know do do something small. I actually used to be mt, so I've navigated plenty of.

H

Sticky spaces in boston and have a lot of bad memories of that. So I wanted to make sure that.

H

It was dedicated space that was easy to get into yeah. Do you have brian the template that.

D

You need for the auto turn for the fire engine. We have a number of aerial ladder, fire trucks.

G

So I just going to make sure it can email. We I'll send you ours. All the information you'll.

J

Need yeah, I saw the trip generation memo provided in the in the packet. Is there going to be a full.

I

Traffic study as well is that a pce requirement, um I was going to say mike mates, did ask us to.

C

Do the trip generation memo and uh it was a bit ambiguous of whether we would required to do a.

C

Full traffic study as well michael mates, director of engineering peace, development authority. uh We.

M

Did not request a uh traffic study on this project um doesn't rise to the level of say.

M

Air cargo or lonza, and uh typically in these situations, we ask for a a traffic projection.

M

Which the engineer usually provides through the it handbook, and that is sufficient for us. However,.

M

If you believe that there's more work that needs to be done or studied as far as traffic goes here,.

M

Then I encourage you to to ask for it or give a third party review a chance. It's typically will.

I

Ask for a study when you see over 100 trips in the peak hour, which we do have here in the the.

I

Evening peak hour, but I mean it wouldn't be a large study. It probably just be. You know an.

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Intersection either side of the the development just to see what the impacts are to it. Certainly.

M

If you feel that's warranted, then please make that a condition yeah, especially where you're.

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You're coming in to the you know the main intersection right there down the street.

I

It certainly has an issues. It would be good to get an updated uh analysis of that intersection.

I

Okay, peter, so I see um you have lman seed areas at the end of the parking lots and some other.

L

Specific areas, then, there's the basically the wetland buffer area that you've left alone is.

L

That intended to be left alone to recede naturally, do you have plans for that? It's.

L

Not clear on the landscape plan, what they're going to do in that area and to me it seems.

L

Like if you're going to leave it natural, I think you should put that note on there and.

L

That would be our preference anyway. At least our city conservation commission would want that. um But if you had plans to l and seat it then um want to know about that plans would be.

C

To leave the wet line buffer as it currently exists, okay, that'd be helpful to add to the.

L

Landscape plan, because it they might get confused and think it's that whole area and want it mow.

L

Or something so, let's we wanted to mitigate all impacts to wetland and wetland buffer, so.

C

Great any other.

A

Comments all right is there anyone from the public who would like to speak to.

A

This or if anyone on zoom like to speak to this, please raise your.

A

Hand so none we'll close that.

A

Portion back to tag for discussion or motion like we need to see this another time.

L

Yeah, does anybody have a list of everything we need? Hopefully you have it. I have a list.

E

And you have a list: okay, um just a point of clarification. Eric are you requiring that.

A

Traffic study be done, yeah yeah. They should at least look at that. Those two intersections.

I

On either side of it international at new at uh corporate and corporate at grafton, and do.

D

You want that study before we come back here, because that stud is going to take a few more.

D

Weeks than it would to make these the rest of these updates yeah, we really should see that.

I

Before we okay go on we'll uh we'll talk to scott who had done our initial um just.

C

Traffic out review and see, I know obviously as jason's pointing out we've been seeing traffic.

C

Studies take six to eight weeks in general, so it is a bit of a protracted process without a.

C

Doubt so I'd make a motion that we um postpone this application to our next.

L

Tac meeting um with the information requested on the list and that that.

L

Came up with a meeting from eric terms of the traffic study, any other new ones that weren't.

L

On the list well, pat and the whole shifting of the traffic aisles and then yeah shifting.

L

Of the traffic aisles, barely significant change show the new pl, the shifting of traffic aisles.

L

Yep all right, there's a motion. Second, second, uh any further discussion, all in.

A

Favor, I any oppos great motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your.

D

Time, who was the second on that sh sh? Thank.

E

You all right next, next up, um I'm going to read both items b and c together. Item b is.

A

The request of bantry bay associates llc owner for property located at zero shearwater drive.

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Requesting preliminary and final subdivision approval for the subdivision of the 2.23 acre.

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Lot into nine conforming single family lots said: property is located on a cessor map, 217.

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Lot 2- 19, 190 1900 and lies within the general residence b district um item c.

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Is the request of bantry bay associates llc for property located at zero sherwood drive.

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Requesting site plan review approval for the construction of nine single family dwellings.

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With associated paving storm water management, lighting utilities and landscaping who's here,.

A

To present neil he uh good afternoon, uh neil hansen with tyan bond we're the civil engineers.

N

For this project, uh so we were here last month for for t work session uh for this project.

N

So we're taking it's an existing single lot along shearwater drive uh that formerly had.

N

About 25 or so units on it um and subdividing into nine single family lots um you go to the y.

N

Assisting so the existing or the buildings that that were on these lots have have previously been.

N

Torn down uh the driveways and parking areas are still out there, um but the the buildings are have.

N

Have previously been removed, um so the proposed project is to subdivide the single lot into nine.

N

uh Single family residences um included in the packet was a uh architectural uh depictions of.

N

um I believe it was nine eight or nine different um building types. uh We've depicted variety of.

N

Those on this uh on this site plan, um the intent, would be that the final buyers of the lot would.

N

Would select uh from the list of available units um that would be built uh we we do. We did take.

N

A look at um uh sort of a matrix of each lot and in which building types fit on each lot. uh So not.

N

All building types would would be uh permittable on each individual lot, but each lot does have.

N

Multiple options for uh building or house types, um so this uh we are uh proposing to rebuild the.

N

Sidewalk along shew water, um along the frontage of the site, uh as well as milling overlaying. uh The.

N

Same extent of sheer water uh with new driveways for each proposed house, uh the next sheet.

N

For the drainage and grading plan, um so we are proposing to uh have a stone infiltration drip.

N

Edges uh along the the fronts and backs of of each of these uh houses, where were uh feasible, um we're.

N

Also, uh rebuilding the drainage between sheer water and the outlet points on um the sheer water.

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Side of the market street bm- um I know we got a comment related to that that that I'll touch on it.

N

A bit um and then on the utilities, we're showing new services for water, gas and electric for each.

N

Lot, uh we have been in touch with eversource. um I still think we are waiting for some final feedback.

N

From them on on services, um but we have uh engaged with them to to begin that process and um similar.

N

With with unitil and the gas service, um we have been in touch with them as well uh landscaping.

N

At this point again, we we got a another comment on this, that I'll touch on in a bit, but we are.

N

Showing um replacing some of the uh the trees along the frontage that will get removed as part.

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Of this, um as well as a few larger trees in the rear of each lot. uh Similarly, in areas where we're.

N

Removing some existing um mature trees as part of this project, um so that is oh, we also included.

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On this in this package, an easement plan of all the um cross easements that would be required as.

N

Part of the subdivision um once those those will get finalized by the uh project surveyor for for.

N

Recording once we get to that point, um so that's the general overview of the project um so I'll.

N

Get into the the comments which we received earlier today, uh so the first comment uh is.

N

Regarding the sidewalk along uh sheer water, being concrete, 5 1/2 ft wide with a grass strip between.

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The curb and the sidewalk, um so we are showing concrete sidewalks, we'll make sure that we get.

N

Them uh 5 and a2 ft wide um uh on the grass strip. So the the way we have this shown um with the the.

N

Sidewalk up against the curb on the um eastern or sorry western half of sheer water was designed to.

N

um Save the existing uh street trees that are in that area, um which is the applicant's desire.

N

If the city wants us to uh remove those trees and push the sidewalk further off the street, we can do.

N

That but the applicant would prefer to save those mature trees along the street in that area yeah. I.

N

Think we're fine with that. I'm not sure how that ended up there yeah. I think it's the first four.

N

Lots have some mature street trees and then we pulled the sidewalk back away from the curb once.

N

We got past that point. I think we're good with that. Yeah! That's fine. um Do you have a preference.

N

On how wide the grass strip is, um I think we're showing three 3 feet: we're showing 3 ft. That's.

N

Fine too, okay yep long as not less than 18, okay, uh old water service tap should have corp closed and.

N

Capped at maine, um so we do have a note uh utility note 19 that speaks to that. um Okay says: if the.

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Existing water line is less than 1 in in diameter. It shall be capped at the main new copper line and.

N

Water, shut off shall be constructed. um Are we not permitted to reuse any of the existing services? Do.

N

You want all new services, it depends what the material type is okay, but if it's one, if it's.

N

Copper we're okay! If it's copper and it's large enough, then I think it makes sense to reuse it.

F

Okay, um three abandon or replace all existing cross country drains with hdp to market street.

N

um So we had shown on here uh replacing with htp to the uh sheer water drive side of the the burm.

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That runs along market street. uh The intent was to not get into that burm again. There's some mature.

N

Vegetation, it's a pretty well established burm and we're looking to avoid doing any work that.

N

Cut through there, mhm you want to slip onine it. Instead, uh I can bring that to the applicant. If.

N

Those those are the options. That's your options. Okay, um we'll we'll bring it back to the team.

N

And and see what they uh see, what they want to do: okay, yeah, replace it where you can and.

F

Slip line the rest, if you want to uh replace cmp drain and sheer water near blue hair and drive.

N

With htp, um I think I think we're fine doing that. There's I think two different runs that.

N

I'm assuming you're, referring to both of them the line that picks up the city street drainage.

F

We're going to want replaced entirely, there's one that goes parallel with sheer water across.

N

The blue heron intersection and then there's one that crosses sheer water. Are you wanting both of.

N

Those yes, okay, yeah and then replacement out to.

F

So you're putting a drain man hole right by a drain. Man.

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Hole so that's again because of the trees see the the line yeah, so the lines are going to have to.

F

Get slip line, are you looking at so you got. I moved on so this this pipe and this pipe need.

F

To get changed, this pipe needs to be replaced yeah. This is all plastic going to be plastic.

F

Yeah and then you need to slip line this, to make sure that this doesn't collapse. Andne this burm.

F

Otherwise, all these drains are going to stop working right, so we're going to want that done.

F

So slip line this line, replace it to the drain man hole and then this pipe over here I don't.

F

Know if that's getting replaced or just this is getting abandoned, this section there's a little.

F

Pipe you see that I'm behind lot lots aren't listed yeah. I see what you're talking about.

N

Though this pipe is that pipe being replaced by going this way, instead, which I'm fine with.

F

But it doesn't say advantage. Oh yes, I think it's on the demo plan as being uh abandoned, so we're.

F

Either replacing or slip ling everything all the way out to market street gotcha. So there's.

F

No chance that the pipe's going to collapse and the houses are going to end up getting.

F

Wet okay uh number five is use city, standard planting and lman seed de seed details. That's.

N

We can add those the plans. That's easy uh drainage. Easements should extend over cross.

N

Country pipes to market street right away, so I think we looked at that. I think we missed there.

N

Was one that we had missed that we noticed um just, I think it's on lot three there I.

N

Think is that the this lot three yeah is that the little section that's being referred to in this.

N

Comment from the easement to the right oil line, probably just make sure that it is everywhere.

F

Okay, uh seven cck drain detail show mortar and anular space around the boot connection. uh It's.

N

Ack knowledge we'll make that revision uh off street improvements sidewalk to granite street.

N

Crossing market street and installing pedestrian signals as part of crosswalk, um so the applicant.

N

Feels this is a large ask for a project. That's nine single family residents, where 25 or so.

N

Existed already, um they're already providing significant offsite improvements relative to.

N

The scope of the project, including rebuilding the sidewalks along the frontage of sheer water.

N

As well as milling and overlaying, uh sheer water drive, um I'm guessing that this is not something.

N

That that we can, uh I guess, finalize today um and if that's the case, I think the applicant.

N

Would like to get a meeting with with city staff to review this further? Okay, um nine relocated.

N

Hydrant should be 10 ft from driveways. We can make that revision um show brick under curb. Stop.

N

And water service detail uh we'll add that to the detail, thrust blocks for hydrant should be 2x two.

N

X, two and pre-cast uh we'll update the hydrant detail to show that um we'll propos, a drainage.

N

Infrastructure tie into city infrastructure, it will um 13. How do you intend to overcome the.

N

Doctrine of merger- um I have to admit, I do not know what this is, and we will have to pass this.

N

Along to someone on the project team, who does yeah it's going to be one owner of all the lots.

L

With easements going across them, so initially yes, but then they're all going to get sold off.

L

Right so when they're before they're sold off um that's where the issue comes up, so you can.

L

Check with legal and or your legal team, that's way outside of my my jurisdiction, it's you know.

L

It protects the property owners in the future. They don't lose an easement that was approved.

L

At the planning board it was recorded and then they didn't you know, okay, well, they change it or.

N

Take it to someone who knows what they're doing y y uh will you be requesting a waiver for the.

N

Maintenance bond- uh that is the preference of the applicant, um is that a waiver that gets requested.

N

To the planning board, as part of the pack part of the planning board process, we will add that.

N

um We'll be doing work in the rightway. uh Yes, we will sidewalks mill and overlay some utility work.

N

um How do you propose to treat storm water before connecting to city infrastructure.

N

um So the the roofs are going to go into the into the infiltration drip strips um we at this.

N

Time haven't proposed any other um storm water treatments, um the we need more. I guess we just.

L

Wanted to it didn't we didn't see anything and we saw a lot of pipes leaving the site. But if.

L

That's enough treatment to have the infiltration along the foundation. As far as I'm concerned, the.

F

Hoses, are you know, just the drip strip is okay, we're also reducing total impervious from the.

N

Existing condition as well yeah, okay, good, we just didn't see anything, didn't know what was going on.

L

At the far end, if there was some kind of rain garden or something we missed, but just grading.

L

It looks like y yeah just yeah that that hill went like right up to the back of that house. So and the.

L

Soils are suitable for infiltration there from the I I believe. So we have a. We have a report.

N

um I don't know it off the top of my head, though, but we we did look at that, I'm assuming it's in.

N

The drainage kelks, um but we'll we'll certainly double check that. I guess what I just don't want.

L

To see happen is that all the storm water from the site goes into our storm drains doesn't go into.

L

The ground but sounds like yeah, I mean that's what currently happens, um and so so it's an improvement.

N

It's an improvement, improv e either way it's an improvement. Yeah great, uh please enhance the.

N

Landscape plan, um so we again, I think I touched on this a little bit earlier- we're replacing some.

N

Of the bigger trees we're cutting down um the intent was that the as the lots are sold off.

N

The individual owners would um be responsible for landscaping the property as part of constructing.

N

Their house, um we can look at adding some additional street trees, uh but I think the intent.

N

Was to leave the lots um kind of open for for whoever purchases them to landscape, as they see.

N

Fit I don't know if there's anything else, any any other thoughts to that yeah. I think I think.

L

There was just a thought that there wasn't a heck of a lot of landscaping. I understand your.

L

Point the homeowners want to do it, but um it doesn't we can. We can take it to the take it.

N

To the applicant and discuss it with them and see if there's anything else, we can you know if we can.

N

Add a little bit something more sidewalks more than we need landscaping on private lots, yeah.

F

Honestly um and then 18 one are the three circles in the corner on the easter most lot. uh It's the.

N

Tree protection um line- uh it's it's called out on lot. Two there install and maintain tree protection.

N

Barrier for duration of construction, typical, we can add a second call out. That's right to.

L

Make it more it was y. um So I believe that was all the comments we received ahead of the meeting.

N

There's anything else, we' be happy to address it now anything else from tech. At this point, question.

A

Well, I'll open that up in just a second any other comments shanty these are not condo, then, is that.

K

Correct right, I was just wondering about that. Whole doctrine of merger thing seems a little odd.

K

Where we have one parcel or subdividing it all of the civil, you know civil engineering, storm water.

K

Everything is all included under this site plan, but you're looking at it as individual parcels.

K

And therefore the easements would be problematic because you're assigning an easement to oneself.

K

Is that the issue right? That's the issue y to figure out a way to get around this at some.

K

Point well, legal has a way that I think trevor has a way you can record it. Oh yeah, I'm assuming this.

N

Is the first time this is coming, it's come, no, it seems like yeah, it seemed like it was always it's.

K

Always been complicated, but maybe he's got more. I think he's got it away, yeah all right, all right.

A

um Anyone from the public like to make a comment: please come up and state your name hi, my name's.

B

Paula skelly: I live um on the other side of these lots and um it wasn't very clear about how many.

B

Trees, you plan on cutting down like behind the houses which is kind of a barrier between us and.

B

The the noise of the the highway uh yeah- I don't have an exact number, but we're not touching that.

N

Burm at all, okay, so when you say burm, you mean like all the big pine trees right behind yeah.

B

What's a bm sorry, the hill is a mound of earth, so underneath those all those trees, there's actually.

F

An earth bm and that's actually what's blocking this out. The landscaping is covering the bm. So you.

F

Can't see the big mount of dirt, but the big mount is what block so all right yeah. So that is about.

N

What it's about four to 4, to 15, ft high and then there's trees, all along the top of it? We're not.

N

Touching any of that, so there are on the four lots on the right of this. There are trees that we're.

N

Going to be clearing out to give some space, but so so in the corner right by the culdesac. Yes, those.

B

Are where you're going to clear out the trees? Some of them? Yes, not all of them? Okay, just.

B

They, oh no, I hate to see that, um but I of course I can't visualize exactly how many you're saying.

B

Just because it is a very good noise reduction um exit 7 on 95 is just right there and that's been.

B

Helpful to block the noise and um another question is: how tall are the buildings going to be? Are they.

B

Just twostory, I don't know if the top my head yeah, they look like they're two stories in the.

L

Samples they gave okay and and um when would the building start? It's just another question.

B

Approximate, okay, I don't know all right depends how fast they get through this board and then.

K

The planning board right m, okay, get sold, so you think minimum trees pick right right. Then they.

K

Got to sell each individual lot and then that that buyer would then maybe hire to you know.

K

A builder to then build his his home, so it could be. You know a year to five to 10, depending on how.

K

Soon, the lots are sold in this economy, they'll probably be sold pretty quickly. So more than.

K

Likely within the next couple of years would be the guess, guesstimate. Okay, I I would just request.

B

You minimize cutting down trees behind the houses all right. Thank you. Thank you. I'm lar, solway and.

O

I live next door at um at spica point, so I just wanted to re enforce what she's saying too. We.

O

Don't really want to see the trees disappear, cuz! It's it's a nice barrier for all the good reasons.

O

For the noise, but for the for the beauty- and um we just we're just an advocate of it, I know.

O

A lot of the neighbors are all talking just want to make sure that all the trees aren't going to.

O

Be cut down, and just so you guys know you might already know, but this is the technical review.

L

Committee and then it goes to the planning board as well for for approval when they get through.

L

Here so that'll be a future meeting next month or the month after okay, I just wanted to say.

O

That thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. um If you're on zoom, would you like to comment on this.

A

Application, please raise your.

A

Hand, if not we'll the public.

A

Portion committee for discussion have to drive by the.

J

Toot couple.

E

J

I ready to move this on, or do we need them to come back.

I

To um the comments are relatively minor, um the only thing that's really of issue.

F

Is um the crosswalk mhm crosswalk and the doctor emergers and the.

L

Doctor emerger right, which the applicant representative didn't even know what it.

F

Was didn't google it before the meeting like I I googled it? I read it and then but my pay.

N

Grade, I think that's something they probably can get address yeah. I don't think that's something.

A

That needs to come back before there was a couple public work comment that seemed like.

L

They might have been significant, but if they, if you feel like you, can I think that if they gave.

F

Us a plan set with a revision, checklist and said this is what we did for each thing: that.

F

We could review it before the next plan war meeting. I think that would be okay and then.

E

The only thing left is, of course, we one answer on crosswalk. Before you go to plan yeah cuz. They.

F

Will want input on that before it goes there going want that input yep, so we'll set up a.

L

Meeting before that meeting that doable eric, probably with eric right well, that would just.

A

Need to be resolved before prior to submitting for planning board yeah yeah, whatever that takes.

L

Okay, so in that case, I'll make a motion to move this on understanding that the final plan set.

F

Needs to be reviewed by public works, at least before the plan board meeting and the final.

F

Detail regarding the crosswalk and whether there's a contribution or whether it needs.

F

To get built, or neither so I'll make that motion second and they'll resolve the doer too. Dr yeah.

A

I think that'll that'll be in there yep. They got all their list. Okay, there's a motion and.

A

A second any further discussion, all in favor, I any opposed motion carries thanks. Thank you.

A

All right, 111 state street has postponed so we have no other business. We're.

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