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From YouTube: Utility Advisory Board Meeting 05-23-2022
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Utility Advisory Board Meeting 05-23-2022
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Well,
neil,
I
hope
I'm
speaking
for
the
board,
but
I
think
the
document
that
you
put
out
for
this
month's
meeting
was
exceptional
and
I
think
if
we
can
maintain
that
document,
we
won't
run
into
those
kind
of
situations
again.
If
anything
new
is
coming
up.
Just
add
it
to
the
the
listing
just
like
you
have
now,
where
you
explain
briefly
what
the
reason
is
for
the
project
and
then
go
through
with,
if
you
can
maybe
anticipated
dates
as
to
when
you
expect
each
of
the
the
stages
to
occur.
E
Thank
you,
you
know.
Let
me
just
add
a
point:
does
do
the
board
member
members
understand
what
neil
is
saying?
I
was
at
the
council
meeting
of
may
18th
and
I
raised
the
issue
that,
in
the
public
hearing
that
we
had
not
seen
the
facility
plan
prior
to
city
council
were.
Are
the
members
aware
of
that
board
members
that
I
did
that
and
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
were
very
apologetic
that
the
process
had
not
been
followed
at
the
meeting.
E
I
can
just
parrot
a
few
things
here.
They
they
went
on
and
approved
the
facility
plan,
because
it
was
impressed
upon
them
that
it
was
important
to
get
this
council
resolution
approval
of
the
facility
plan,
so
they
could
submit
it
to
the
state
for
a
priority
for
the
state
revolving
fund
so
that
they
can
get
money
for
the
project
at
a
very
low
interest
rate,
and
so
that's
kind
of
the
little
history
that
took
place,
that's
kind
of
where
that
is
how
I
saw
it
at
the
meeting.
H
H
H
Adopting
a
facility's
plan
entitled
city
of
punta
gorda
wastewater
facilities
plan
designating
the
city
manager
as
the
city's
authorized
representative
to
execute,
submit
an
act
on
behalf
of
the
city
relating
to
an
application
for
loan
from
the
state.
Revolving
trust
fund
for
wastewater
facilities,
establishing
pledged
revenues
to
repay,
said
loan,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
E
F
D
D
D
C
So
chris
and
simeone
finance
director-
these
are
our
april
financials
as
of
april
30th
and
we're
58.3
percent
through
the
fiscal
year
I'll
give
you
our
year-to-date
estimated
and
year-to-date
actuals.
So
you
can
see
for
charges
for
services
which
includes
our
water
and
wastewater
revenue
that
we're
doing
fairly
well
with
105.9
percent
other
miscellaneous
revenues
coming
in
better
as
well.
C
So
we
have
307
percent
there
on
the
expenditure
side
again,
the
divisions
are
very
careful
and
work
really
hard
to
stay
within
their
budgets,
so
they're
all
slightly
under
100
for
maintaining
their
expenses
and
again
we
when
we
do
our
estimates,
we
base
it
on
when
payments
are
going
to
be
made
same
thing
with
revenue.
So
some
months
are
more.
Some
months
are
less,
but
we
we
look
at
it
in
holes,
so
they're
staying
on
track.
C
Any
questions
there
going
to
the
next
one,
this
just
splits
out
the
water
billings
and
sewer
billings
separately.
So
you
can
see
how
we're
doing
for
water
billings
year
to
date
we're
at
108.7
percent
and
for
sewer
billings
we're
at
101.9
percent
compared
to
last
year.
Our
water
is
780
000
above
april.
At
this
time
and
that's
year-to-date
information
again,
part
of
that
is
related
to
our
rate
increase,
as
well
as
new
customers
coming
on
board.
Sometimes
some
people
are
using
more
water.
I
know
we,
the
rain.
C
E
C
C
C
This
graph
just
shows
you
like
year-to-date
information
and
projections,
revenue
and
expenditures
and
compares
it
to
last
year.
Last
year
we
had
a
large
increase
in
april,
and
that
was
all
related
to
the
ro
plant,
and
so
we
did
half
in
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
then
half
in
the
second
half
of
the
year
for
our
cip
plan.
C
C
C
And
then
this
is
just
our
overall
and
again.
It
follows
the
trend
of
our
water,
as
that's
our
biggest
source
of
revenue,
but
year-to-date
budget
was
11.8
million
and
we're
at
12.6
million,
so
we're
doing
we're
doing
good,
which
will
help
because,
as
you
know,
a
lot
of
our
projects
are
coming
in
over
budget.
As
far
as
the
costs
having
a
lot
extra
costs
involved,
with
the
inflationary
that
we're
seeing
right
now,.
F
I
think
the
are
there
any
questions
just
to
comment.
I
think,
doing
any
kind
of
a
projected
projection
in
this
environment,
where
we
seem
to
be
having
more
of
the
snowbirds
staying
down
and,
of
course,
trying
to
anticipate
how
many
of
them
are
going
to
be
coming
in
when
they're
coming
from
all
different
states
now
correct.
I
think
it's
a
rather
remarkable
job
that
it
follows
at
all.
C
Yeah
interesting
it'll
follow
the
trend
line,
but
sometimes
you
see
more
or
less
you
know,
but
the
other
thing
where
you
know
the
the
market
is
still
volatile
right.
So
we
know
besides
inflation,
there's
projections,
some
people
are
projecting
a
recession.
Things
like
that,
so
we
do
our
best
to
kind
of
find
that
middle
ground.
I
J
So
we're
going
to
make
be
making
some
improvements
along
the
alignment
as
well
as
in
proving
this
force,
man
will
be
changing
out
from
ductile
to
pvc.
This
is
really
like
a
second
increment.
We've
already
done
the
project
to
the
west
of
pass
inlet
between
bass
and
light,
and
it's
a
little
ways
around
the
curve
past
the
yacht
club.
We
we
replaced
that
quite
some
time
ago.
We
did
the
bell
harbor
project,
so
this
is
just
a
continuation
of
of
that
improvement.
B
F
J
Anticipate
there's
corrosion.
We
observed
a
lot
of
corrosion
when
we
changed
out
the
increment
to
the
west,
severe
corrosion.
So
we're
always
in
a
fear
of
that,
because
you
know
it
could
cause
a
leak
and
then
we
have
to
make
an
emergency
repair.
So
it's
best
to
change
this
out.
So
that's
that's.
What
we've
always
planned
on.
E
J
E
J
E
J
Okay
master
facility:
this
is
actually
same
location,
a
different
project
at
our
master
facility
at
900
henry
street.
We
have
three
pumps
in
this
unit
and
those
are
approximately
20
years
old
at
this
time
and
there's
been
some
maintenance
issues
due
to
the
age
of
the
of
the
pumping
equipment.
So
this
this
project
will
update
and
replace
those
three
main
pumping
units
at
the
mpf.
J
F
J
J
So
it's
just
a
scheduling
thing
bringing
equipment
in
installing
it
and
then
moving
forward
to
the
next
unit.
So
in
2001
we
did.
We
did
quite
a
bit
of
work.
We
got
new
vfds
and
a
lot
of
new
electrical
equipment
that
was
extremely
outdated
and
then
we
got
three
pumping
units
and
this
project
will
definitely
get
three
pumping
units
and
then
part
of
the
scope
will
be
to
evaluate
whether
any
other
equipment
you
know
should
be
changed
out.
J
So
that
will
happen
in
the
pdr
box.
Three
we'll
get
a
complete
assessment
of
what's
needed
for
the
next
20-year
planning
period,
but
we
pretty
much
already
know
what
size
pumps
we're
getting,
but
we'll
have
the
engineer:
do
high
doc,
modeling
calculation
and
confirm
that
you
know
we're
meeting
the
necessary
pumping
capacity,
great
project
pumping.
A
Chair,
if
I
may
yeah,
I
would
just
carry
steve
and
I
could
be
wrong
with
info,
but
the
open
lot
right
to
the
east
of
that
is
that
not
where
peace,
river
wildlife
center
is
going
to
be?
Yes,
do
you
see
these
past
two
projects?
Any
conflict
with
you
know
construction
going
on
at
the
same
time,
are
you
in
contact
with
them?
I
mean.
J
A
J
J
Okay,
so
I'll
give
you
a
little
update
on
taylor,
road
water
main.
Oh,
look:
all
the
boxes
are
filled
in
good
boy.
That's
because
we're
at
the
stage
we're
actually
beginning
construction.
So
that's
already
happened.
We've
awarded
we've
had
our
kickoff
meeting
with
the
contractor,
and
our
big
next
next
step
in
the
project
is
to
buy
all
the
pipe.
J
J
Even
though
this
is
a
large
enough
project
where
a
normal
contractor
would
probably
increment
those
orders
nowadays,
we
just
order
it
all
on
day
one
and
we
will
be
stockpiling
at
our
facility
and
cooper
street,
which
is
very
close
to
the
project.
So
we've
already
awarded
our
order
to
the
supplier
and
we're.
J
K
C
F
D
Yeah,
I
do
most
of
your
projects
begin.
Construction
has
a
definition
and
a
pre-construction
meeting
constitutes
the
beginning
of
construction.
It's
not
the
layman's
version
of
we're
not
out
there
digging
ditches
we're
not
doing
that.
Yet
what
we're
doing
is
we're
in
the
submittal
and
ordering
phase,
but
that
has
by
definition
we
have
begun
construction
because
we
have
a
notice
to
proceed
and
then
typically,
they
give
like
a
two-week
time
frame
on
the
purchase
order
and
in
the
contract
to
state
be
when
construction
will
begin.
E
D
D
Are
going
to
start
construction
on
an
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
they
probably
won't
be
breaking
ground
for
six
months
after
the
start
of
construction,
doesn't
matter
whether
the
supply
chain
is
great
or
is
bad,
it's
always
a
delay
between
notice
to
proceed
and
actually
digging
pipe
in
the
ground.
Pouring
concrete
stuff
like
that
shop,
drawings
and
submittals
is
considered
construction.
D
F
F
J
We'll
get
we're
going
to
talk
about
team
green
too,
so
in
this
project,
we're
going
from
the
alligator
creek
along
taylor,
road,
oh
well,
I
can't
pin
that.
Let
me
see
how
that
works
all
the
way
up
to
airport
road.
So
our
definition
of
construction
is
when
we
issue
the
po.
We
have
a
pre-construction
meeting
and
then
we,
the
contractor,
begins
shop
drawing
submittal.
We
have
to
review
every
single
thing
he's
going
to
order
once
we
approve
it,
then
he
starts
placing
orders.
J
B
J
J
It's
not
it's
it's
possible
on
a
pipeline
project.
We
typically
don't
do
it,
but
in
this
project
it
made
a
lot
of
sense,
because
it's
a
big
dollar
item
and
we'll
have
a
cost
savings,
because
we
will
not
be
paying
sales
tax
on
that
48
carry
there's
a
there's,
some
pros
and
cons
to
it.
You
know
when
you
do
odp,
there's
some
discussion
about
who
actually
owns
the
pipe
now
right.
So
if
some
of
the
sticks
of
pipe
are
damaged,
it's
our
loss
rather
than
contractors.
J
A
Okay,
mr
chair,
if
I
may
just
play
on
that
also
my
experiences
owner
purchased
there's
a
lot
of
other
opportunities
texas
by
board
different,
depending
on
what
material
you're
going
after
the
owner
can
go
after
stuff,
whereas
the
individual
contractor
doesn't
have
access
to
those
purchasing
mechanisms.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
thing
in
this
situation.
D
For
the
record,
the
way,
steve
leonard
the
way
state
statute
works
down
here
in
florida,
the
contractor
actually
has
to
issue
a
po2,
I'm
just
going
to
use
pipe
as
an
example.
It
doesn't
matter
it's
pipe
cement
anything
but
as
an
example
pipe,
the
contractor
would
issue
his
po
to
ferguson
with
his
terms
and
conditions.
D
D
The
other
thing
on
this.
We
actually
had
contractors
that
said
that
they
couldn't
bid
the
job
because
they
couldn't
get
guaranteed
a
price
on
pipe
and
the
only
way
to
make
it
fair
across
the
board
was
to
do
it
odp,
based
on
a
quote
that
was
within
that
many
days.
So
if
the
price
was
that
fluid
in
today's
market,
that
the
city
would
bear
that
responsibility,
because
in
the
end
it
would
be
force
major
and
there
would
be
a
big
argument
and
just
to
save
any
future
problems.
F
D
B
J
J
F
J
They
want
to
do,
they
want
to
work
like
they've
always
have,
and
they
were
on.
They
were
under
some
stress
themselves
from
their
supplier
in
terms
of
being
able
to
guarantee
price,
but
we
got
past
that
so
that
project's
moving
ahead,
we'll
be
bringing
that
back
so
tea
and
green
much
smaller
project.
So
to
help
you
with
the
location.
Please
golf
course
boulevard
is
over
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen
and
the
intersection
with
golf
course
boulevard
and
us
17
is
just
a
little
bit
north
of
this
area.
J
Well,
not
quite
I
guess
it's
a
little
west
of
winn-dixie
excuse
me,
but
anyway,
the
piper
road
corridor.
The
brand
new
pipe
road
north
is
just
over
here
to
the
left,
so
many
people
are
probably
driven
on
piper
road,
north,
so
there's
pipe
road,
north
and
then
golf
course,
and
there's
a
few
streets
in
here
that
were
historically
not
provided
with
water.
Although
the
entire
most
of
the
community
was
all
water
was
put
in
all
at
once,
and
when
we
see
this
internally,
we
usually
do
some
small
projects
to
try.
J
You
know
fill
in
these
missing
gaps,
we've
done
charlotte
park,
we've
done
some
other
streets
in
our
service
area
that
are
similar
to
this,
where
one
or
two
streets,
you
know
really
should
be
looped
out,
and
that's
what
we're
doing
so.
It's
a
great
project.
It's
under
we've
actually
again
begun
construction
and
we're
not
going
to
odp
this,
but
they
have
ordered
their
pipe
and
they're
waiting
for
delivery.
J
B
B
J
J
This
project
is
actually
been
out
on
the
street
for
what
they
call
rfp
or
rfq,
and
those
documents
have
come
in
and
they're
currently
under
review.
So
we
should
be
bringing
back
a
proposal
to
purchase
this
unit
in
the
near
future,
so
this
project
will
help
us
with
dewatering
the
leftover
residual
from
the
surface
water
treatment
process,
and
we
had
a
unit
out
there.
J
J
J
Initially,
we
did
that
capacity
analysis
where
we
looked
at
every
unit
process
of
the
facility,
and
then
we
did
an
alternatives,
report
or
identified
alternative
one
and
two
to
make
improvements,
and
we
brought
that
to
this
board
as
well
as
city
council,
and
we
were
selecting
alternative
two
since
that
time.
We've
completed
30
percent
documents
as
well
as
a
pdr,
and
we
have
jason
chandra
with
cdm
here
today
to
bring
us
up
to
date
on
that
under
another
agenda
item.
J
J
J
This
is
going
to
be
an
improvement
in
the
design
of
this
process.
We're
going
to
a
different
process,
and
we
had
over
here
and
there'll-
be
some
improvements
through
filtration
and
and
in
this
third
in
this
part
of
the
project
here,
we'll
be
adding
electrical
building,
as
well
as
making
some
improvements
to
our
filter.
J
K
K
All
right,
good
morning,
my
name
is
jason
chandra,
I'm
an
associate
with
cdm
smith.
I
have
our
srf
specialist
available
by
phone.
If
we
need
any
specific
questions
for
her
at
the
end
of
this
presentation,
we
can
call
her
up
and
get
her
on
the
speaker
phone,
but
today,
really
the
purpose
is
to
kind
of
walk.
You
guys
through
the
same
presentation
we
gave
the
city
council
last
week,
give
you
an
overview
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
facilities
plan
and
then
give
you
guys
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
about
that
in
the
srf
process.
K
So,
generally
speaking,
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
background
of
this
project.
Talk
about
the
existing
capacity
and
the
permitting
capacity
of
the
facility
talk
about
the
alternative
analysis
that
was
done
in
the
selection
of
improvements
talk
about
the
financing
plan,
as
well
as
the
summary
of
the
overall
facility
plan.
K
So
this
is
something
new
that
we
didn't
have
in
our
presentation
last
week,
because
that
was
really
a
very
specific
public
hearing
presentation
that
we
gave
that
was
defined
by
what
deaf
dep
requires
for
our
public
hearing.
But
really
what
I
want
to
drive
home
here
or
present
to
you
is
that
what
we
presented
in
the
facilities
plan
is
not
different
than
what
we've
been
presenting
to
the
city.
Since
2018,
we
were
selected
by
the
city
in
june
of
2018.
I
believe
to
start
this
project.
K
We
did
an
evaluation
that
was
brought
to
the
uab
in
november
of
that
year,
as
well
as
the
city
council.
The
next
year,
based
on
that
city
council,
approved
a
contract
for
us
to
look
at
doing
an
alternative
evaluation
of
how
they
we
could
restore
the
the
plant's
capacity
that
was
completed
in
2019.
We
took
that
to
the
utility
advisory
board
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
I
know
hard
to
believe
that
we
came
in
here
on
the
30th
of
december,
but
we
did
and
then
the
following
january.
K
K
K
This
is
a
overall
site
plan
of
what
the
facility
currently
looks
like.
So
you
see
where
the
green
field
is
there
kind
of
between
the
existing
process
on
the
right,
and
then
you
have
the
two
little
digesters
on
the
left
that
area
and
there
is
where
we're
going
to
put
the
new
process
train
in
so
essentially,
what
we
found
from
our
evaluation,
which
I'll
get
to
in
just
a
minute,
is
that
that
existing
middle
process,
which
does
all
your
biological
treatment,
which
really
is
what?
K
Where
the,
where
the
heart
of
the
process,
is
that
process
isn't
working
efficiently
and
the
city's
had
to
do
he's
done
a
really
great
job.
But
it's
had
to
create
workarounds
to
deal
with
some
of
the
issues
they
have
in
that
central
section,
and
this
new
project
will
alleviate
that
and
set
the
city
up
to
basically
deliver
the
wastewater
treatment
needed.
You
know
for
the
foreseeable
future,
as
I
said
before
and
alluded
to,
this
has
been
an
ongoing
project
for,
for
nearly
four
years,
we
started
with
an
evaluation
of
the
performance
of
the
existing
facility.
K
So,
as
I
think
you
guys
are
already
aware,
this
facility
is
nearly
38
years
old
was
built
in
the
early
80s
most
of
the
process,
equipment
structures
and
the
processes
themselves
have
reached
the
end
of
the
useful
life
typically
equipment.
That's
put
in.
There
is
anywhere
between
20
and
30
years
of
useful
life.
K
A
lot
of
that
is
the
excess
flow
is
causing
poor
settlability
in
the
clarifiers,
which
means
that
we're
bypassing
the
clarifiers
sending
it
to
a
pond.
While
we
have
high
flows
and
then
bringing
that
water
back
to
the
head
of
the
plant
running
it
back
through
the
headworks
again
in
treating
it
at
that
point,
which
is
not
a
it's,
not
an
efficient
way
to
run
and
eventually
you're
going
to
run
out
of
room
in
those
ponds
potentially
where
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
like
that
anymore.
K
These
are
line
storage
ponds
that
basically
allow
you
kind
of
a
wide
spot
in
the
line.
If
you
will
to
to
offset
offload
some
of
that
flow
hold
it
and
bring
it
back,
it's
kind
of
like
a
an
equalization
tank,
but
for
very
large
flows.
So
it's
not
like
flow
equalization
like
you
got
high
flows
in
the
morning
and
we're
going
to
equalize
that
no,
this
is
like
high
wet
weather
events
allows
you
to
send
it
somewhere,
so
you
got
two
real
big
bottlenecks.
K
One
is
the
the
treatment
process
itself
in
the
settle
ability
so
somewhere
around
4mgd
that
stops
working.
The
other
part
is
you
have
filters
in
there
that
have
a
capacity
of
about
six
or
eight
mgd.
When
you
get
to
that
point
in
the
process
you
have
to
bypass
as
well.
So
those
are
two
things
that
will
be
addressed
by
this
project.
K
Actually,
the
short
term,
the
initial
phase
of
the
project
really
looks
at
revitalizing
the
biological
process
and
then
there'll
be
a
second
phase
of
the
project
down
the
road
that
will
actually
expand
the
back
end
capacity
of
the
filters
beyond
the
the
8mgd
and,
as
I
alluded
to
this
is
kind
of
where
we're
at
right.
Now,
the
blue
line
is
what
the
the
projected
three
month
max
average
is
going
forward.
K
That's
the
fdep's
guideline
for
determining
when
you
need
to
expand
your
facility,
and
what's
really
critical
here
in
my
view,
is
that
that
green
line
represents
what
you're
permitted
for
today,
four
million
gallons
a
day
capacity.
The
red
line
represents
what
you're
legitimately
able
to
treat.
You
know
if
you're,
not
bypassing
that
incentive
to
the
ponds
so
somewhere
around
two.
E
E
B
E
D
No,
we
don't,
it
has
to
travel
through
the
plant
and,
unfortunately,
to
keep
it
from
rolling
out
of
the
top
of
the
aeration
basins.
Right
now
we
have
to
shut
off
the
air,
so
there's
pretty
much
no
treatment
going
on
it's
gravitying
through
there
ripping
through
the
clarifiers
and
once
the
sludge
overflows,
the
weirs
and
the
clarifiers.
The
filters
do
no
good.
Currently
we
send
it
down
the
well
as
long
as
it
meets
standards.
D
We're
required
to
meet
tds
is
the
one
that
gets
or
I'm
sorry,
tss
we're
talking
wastewater
now,
total
suspended
solids
are
the
ones
that
get
us
and
we
have
an
online
total
suspended
solids
meter
and
once
it
reaches
five
at
the
back
side
of
the
filter.
That's
it
it
shuts
off
our
chlorine
contact
chamber
and
it
dumps
it
straight
to
the
lake
and
during
a
heavy
rain
event,
not
the
the
little
one.
D
We
had
the
little
one
we
had
we
survived,
but
we
might
be
going
to
the
lake
for
three
days
before
we
can
get
those
filters
back
online,
because
the
pro
the
first
thing
you
got
to
do
is
get
the
process.
Happy
again,
when
you
wipe
all
those
bugs
out
it
takes
time,
it's
not
it's
not
like
once
the
flow
drops.
Oh,
we
can
start
bringing
it
back
from
the
pond.
Our
plant
doesn't
exactly
work
that
way
in
its
current
condition.
E
F
B
D
That
that
is
correct
if
it
hits
five
or
if
chlorine
residual
drops
and
it's
a
requirement
of
the
plant,
only
being
manned
16
hours
a
day
in
dep's
vision,
we
have
upward
migration
of
our
deep
injection.
Well,
which
means
we
can't
meet.
We
can't
put
anything
down
our
deep
injection.
Well,
it
does
not
meet
the
definition
of
high
level
disinfection,
which
means
chlorinated
for
so
many
times
less
than
five
parts
total
suspended
solids,
there's
some
bod
requirements
on
there.
If
it's
above
that,
we
cannot
put
it
down
our
deep
well.
D
B
B
Well,
thank
goodness,
I'm
the
only
one
who's
been
here
to
know
about
the
fact
that
we've
heard
this
over
and
over
and
over
again-
and
it
sounds
to
me
like
the
story-
hasn't
changed
any
I
mean
you've
had
these
problems
all
along
you've
had
the
shunt
on
heavy
flows
and
heavy
weather
experiences
all
along.
This
is
not
new
to
this
board.
Is
that
correct,
correct?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
K
That
was
something
I
was
definitely
trying
to
bring
up
earlier
is
that
we
are
based
we're
looking
at
the
same
process
that
we
guys
we
brought
to
you
guys
back
in
2019.
This
is
a
continuation
of
just
we're
in
design
we're
looking
for
funding,
we're
looking
to
see
how
we're
going
to
do
this
project,
and
that's
why
we're
here
today.
Thank
you.
K
So
the
city
from
the
very
beginning
has
been
very
cost.
Conscious
with
this
project
I
mean
they
came
to
us
initially.
I
said:
what
can
we
do?
How
do
we
face
this
work
and
unfortunately,
with
with
the
the
central
part
of
the
project
being
as
big
as
it
is,
you
know
there's
not
a
great
way
to
phase
all
the
biological
work,
but
we
were
able
to
separate
out
the
biological
process,
so
the
the
the
basins
and
the
clarifiers
are
one
phase,
and
then
the
future
phase
will
be
upsizing.
The
downstream
of
the
filters.
K
So
this
is
just
a
brief
overview.
It's
very
there's
a
lot
of
detail
there
in
that
slide,
but
basically
just
what's
being
done
with
this
process.
I
know
you
guys
are
probably
more
interested
in
this,
and
city
council
was,
if
you
would
like,
we
can
go
through
kind
of
step
by
step
as
to
is
the
additional
processes,
the
different
types
of
processes
that
are
being
proposed
in
this
alternative,
or
we
can
just
move
on
whatever
works
best
for
you.
K
Not
a
problem,
I
want
to
at
least
give
you
guys
the
opportunity.
So
this
is
the
capital
financing
plan.
That's
in
the
facilities
plan.
This
is
for
a
state
revolving
fund
loan.
One
thing
we
do
want
to
point
out,
at
least
before
we
start
on
this
process
discussing.
This
is
just
the
fact
that
the
srf
right
now
historically
has
been
just
a
loan
program
through
the
state
with
a
low
interest
on
it.
K
K
K
The
big
thing
that
we
stress
the
council
is
kind
of
what
they
take
away
from
this
slide
is
there's
a
lot
of
information
there.
It's
just
the
idea
that
the
debt
service
fits
within
the
city's
overall
financial
plan
and
within
the
current
rate
structure,
which
you
know.
That
was
a
big
issue
for
a
city
council.
F
C
C
B
C
C
E
Let
me
see
if
I
understand
this
here,
the
total
capital
cost
that
we're
dealing
with
now
on
the
project.
This
is
the
latest
estimate.
I
assume
from
the
engineer,
correct,
okay
probability
of
cost.
I
guess
you
call
it.
Fifty
million
eight
hundred
twenty
thousand
there's
a
l,
a
loan
service
fee,
two
percent
to
me.
That's
like
points
is
that
something
that
you
pay
the
state:
where
does
that
1
million
go
the
loan
service
fee?
Is
that
like
points
and
a
mortgage
that
goes
to
the
bank?
C
C
I
So
so
like
in
the
example
I
gave
you
earlier,
where
you
have,
you
might
have
a
take
out
period
or
something
like
that.
In
this
case,
it's
draws
you're
you're,
incurring
interest
at
those
each
of
those
draws
and
what
happens
is
when
you
take
out
the
long,
the
real
loan
they
take.
The
interest
that's
accrued
up
to
date
and
make
that
part
of
the
principle
that
you're
paying
down.
I.
G
K
K
K
You
know
this
point
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
get
to
a
point
where,
okay,
it
made
that
one
percent
changes
we
can
make
a
decision.
At
that
point,
I
think
the
the
flip
side
of
that
is,
I
don't
know
where
else
you're
going
to
go
for
money
at
a
lower
cost,
because
this
project
needs
to
happen.
I
think
that's.
The
bottom
line
is
that
this
project
does
not
happen.
K
K
We've
worked
with
other
people,
there's
a
lot
of
challenges.
It
can
hurt
your
bond
rating
and
you're
under
the
gun.
So
right
now
we're
you
know
with
everything
being
as
expensive
as
it
is
where
you
might
have
the
opportunity
to
push
construction
projects
out,
delay
things
if
you're
under
consent
order.
You
have
to
do
it,
no
matter
what
it
costs
and
we
want
to.
We
never
want
to
be
in
that
situation,
correct
all
right,
so
the
srf
project
implementation
schedule.
K
K
K
Now
that
was
the
number
we
came
in
and
really
where
we
were
at
is
we
were
going
to
do
a
improvement
to
the
existing
facility
for
38
million
versus
rebuilding
the
new
infrastructure
for
39
million.
There
was
basically
a
one
million
dollar,
approximately
capital
difference
between
the
two
options
and
then,
when
we
weighed
out
non-cost
factors
like
complexity
safety,
you
know
there
was
definitely
much
more
weight
to
the
the
new
project,
but
yeah.
That's
when
that
number
was
so
you're.
Looking
at
everything
that
happened
in
2020
2021
the
supply
chain
issues,
the
material
costs.
K
It's
the
same,
so
we
essentially
took
it
from
let's
say
we
were
at,
let's
say,
a
10
percent.
At
that
point
we
kind
of
had
a
rough
sizing
and
everything
now
we've
taken
it
and
we've
detailed
out
kind
of
what's
within
that
rough
sizing.
The
sizing
is
about
the
same
as
it
was
back
in
2019.
we
haven't
dramatically
increased
anything
on
the
project.
We've
actually
gone
the
opposite
direction.
K
Where
we
had
assumptions
about
like
oh,
we
need
a
new,
you
know
generator
building
and
I
think
now
steve
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
we're
doing
the
generators
and
enclosures
to
save
that
money,
so
we're
looking
at
different
capital
savings
opportunities
by
cutting
back
some
of
the
nice
to
have
things
that
were
in
the
project.
So
this
project
was
back
in
2019.
With
things
we've
done
value
engineering-wise,
it
would
have
been
less
expensive
than
the
39
million,
but
a
lot
of
it's
just
the
response.
The
the
market
right
now.
K
Yes,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
that
we've
added-
I
mean
you
always
as
you
go
through
design.
You
always
fine-tune
what
you're
actually
specifying
versus
what
you
were
conceptually
thinking
about,
and
I
definitely
know
that
there's
been
decisions
that
have
been
made
and
I'm
sure,
there's
probably
some
more
expensive
parts
in
certain
areas
and
some
less
expensive
part
in
other
areas.
But
I
would
say
this
is
all
the
inflation
that
we're
seeing
in
the
markets.
K
What's
driving
this,
it's
pretty
substantial
yeah,
it
is,
and
unfortunately
we
I
I
don't-
have
an
optimistic
view
that
we're
going
to
see
better
pricing
anytime
soon.
This
isn't
like.
Oh,
if
we
wait
a
couple
years,
everyone's
going
to
be
out
of
work.
It's
when
you
look
at
that
money
coming
down
from
the
federal
government.
I
think
that's
going
to
make
things
much
more
complicated
because
they're
going
to
be
pumping
money
in
and
so
everyone's
already
stretched
in,
so
their
bids
just
come
in
higher,
because
if
I
can
get
it
great,
if
not
oh
well,.
F
D
D
D
E
E
D
D
So
right
now,
we
should
be
able
to
treat
eight
to
standards
and
put
eight
down
the
well
unlike
today.
Even
if
you
had
12
coming
in
four
is
going
to
go
to
the
pond
for
an
hour
two
hours
three
hours
until
we
get
the
collection
system
pumped
down,
but
today
we
would
be
putting
12
to
the
pond
if
that
was
the
case.
D
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A
I'm
just
curious,
I
know
last
time
we
met,
you
brought
the
wonderful
award
and
you
were
heading
to
daytona
beach.
I
I'm
not
being
nosy,
but
I
I
am
kind
of
one
of
your.
You
know,
because
I
I
do
these
things
for
check
and
you
get
out
of
the
waters.
Tear
terrible
and
I
actually
haven't
one
of
my
speeches
that
I
say
hey.
We
won
the
award
for
region,
10.,
yes
correct,
so
I
want
to
be
able
to
say
we
won't
say
white
or
whatever.