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Utility Advisory Board Meeting 07-07-2022
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A
He's
been
a
a
great
help
to
me
too,
since
that
I
took
over.
I
don't
know
if
many
of
you
aware,
but
he
was
the
chair
before
I
was
elected
and
he
went
through
the
reverse
osmosis
time
and
we're
kind
of
happy
that
he's
made
his
six
years,
but
sorry
to
see
him
go
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
present
this
certificate
of
appreciation
from
the
city
of
pontchar.
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A
I
brought
that
to
leah's
attention
when
I
was
over
there
and
what
has
happened.
They
have
a
a
company
that
prints
everything
up
and
it
seems
like
when
one
thing
changes
a
lot
of
other
things
change
too,
and
they
have
to
catch
up
to
it.
Yeah.
I
notice
that
too
it's
I
hated
to
see
mike
leave
but
would
have
been
nice
if
he
was
coming
today.
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I
wish
we
hadn't
left,
I'm
still
a
little
confused
as
to
why
the
the
meeting
was
needed.
We
did
approve
by
resolution
last
month.
I
guess
the
may
meeting
actually
the
general
concept
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
plan
and,
if
I'm
understanding
correctly
now,
we
are
supposed
to
be
taking
a
look
at
the
financial
aspect
of
it
or.
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It
is
very
challenging
and
in
the
chemicals
we
have
had
just
so
you
know
some
of
them
have
come
back
to
us
two
times
now
so
because
they
had
one
increase
and
then
six
months
later
they're
asking
for
another
increase,
and
I
mean
they
do
have
support
for
it.
It's
we
don't
bring
it
we
do
will.
We
will
continue
to
monitor
it,
though
so
like
if,
in
six
months,
things
are
going
back
the
other
way,
that's
not
a
permanent
increase.
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The
biggest
thing
that
we
wanted
to
bring
to
the
uab
is
the
budget,
so
it's
the
whole
budget,
not
just
one
particular
project.
It
is
both
the
construction
projects
for
the
five-year
plan,
as
well
as
the
operating
budget
for
next
year
out
of
the
operating
maintenance
and
repair
fund.
Thank
you,
okay.
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Yes,
so
it's
budgeted
in
both
places
it's
budget
in
the
operating
fund
to
come
out
of
the
operating
fund
and
move
over
to
the
construction
fund,
so
the
construction
funds,
it's
a
revenue,
but
on
the
this
particular
we're
looking
at
the
operation
side.
So
it's
a
transfer
from
the
operating
fund
to
the
construction
fund.
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Operating
reserves
has
been
adjusted
to
our
9
30
2021
audited,
operating
reserves,
so
you'll
see
that
increase,
which
also
increases
the
operating
reserves
for
the
end.
So
you
can
see
where
we're
going
to
end
the
year
and
again
we
adjusted
our
revenue
projections
to
the
mid-year
projections
so
for
water
billings.
That
was
an
increase
of
189
892
000
for
sewer
billings,
approximately
99
000
in
other
revenues,
approximately
109
000.
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So
there's
al
there's
quite
a
few
things,
so
we
have
miscellaneous
revenues
which
is
interesting.
Come
we
have
water
service
installations,
penalties
things
like
that
there's
also
this
year
we
had
a.
We
call
it
a
class
action
lawsuit
that
we
received
funds
on
liens,
so
there's
quite
a
few
little
things,
but
they
do
add
up.
Also,
sometimes
we
have
insurance
proceeds
if
we're
receiving
anything
from
insurance.
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Oops,
sorry,
this
thing's
a
little
finicky
and
let
me
make
it
a
little
bigger
again
so
again
the
black
line
bring
it
just
down,
so
you
can
see
the
month.
The
black
line
is
our
actual.
The
green
line
was
last
year
and
the
blue
line
is
our
our
original
projections,
so
we
did
exceed
slightly
compared
to
last
year,
as
well
as
to
our
projections.
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Our
next
one
is
our
revenues
here
and
obviously
you'll
see
the
per
the
mid-year
projection.
Right
now
is
kind
of
showing
the
same
as
actual.
So,
of
course,
this
is
like
our
reset
because,
as
we
were
doing
budget,
we
kind
of
get
like
where
we
were
at
put
that
in
so
you
can
see
it's
fairly
close,
it's
almost
100,
and
then
we
have
our.
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When
you
see
june
it'll
go
off
again
because
again
we're
just
projecting.
We
can't
know
everything
so,
but
it's
fairly
close.
But
when
you
do
look
at
the
original
projection,
you
do
see
how
we're
doing
and
again
water
inside
the
city
and
outside
the
city
is
doing
pretty
well
and
sewer
outside
the
city
had
a
little
increase
as
well.
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And
then
our
last
one
is
our
total
revenues,
excluding
the
impact
fees
and
again
it
follows
the
same
trend
as
water
just
because
that
is
our
main
source
of
revenue,
but
again
we're
doing
well.
So
we're
happy
with
that
and
then
on
the
expenditure
side
again,
we
just
show
you
by
division
where
we're
at
and
again
this
is
based
on
annual.
So
that's
why
you'll
see
the
below
66
percent
again
they're
all
doing
wonderful,
trying
to
stay
within
budget
so.
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Okay,
so
we're
going
to
start
with
our
utilities,
construction
and
then
we'll
move
on
to
the
operating
and
maintenance
fund.
So
first
we
give
you
our
pro
forma.
This
is
fiscal
year
23-27,
it's
the
proposed
based
on
the
projects
that
were
submitted
by
the
utilities
department
and
the
various
funding
sources
so
like
especially
for
fiscal
year,
23
you'll
see
the
transfer
from
the
operating
fund.
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Eight
hundred
five
thousand
we'll
be
using
some
water
impacts
which
are
still
still
for
the
wastewater
treatment,
plant
expansion
project
of
five
hundred
thousand,
and
we
have
a
little
bit
from
wastewater
from
the
loop
project.
This
is
the
final,
I
think
believe
the
final
year
of
that
reimbursement
of
350
000,
and
then
we
estimate
approximately
53.7
million
for
the
wastewater
treatment,
plant
expansion
and
again
we're
we're
looking
at
some
alternatives
with
srf
funding.
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You
should
just
be
aware
that
they
are
they
have
a
cap
of
per
year,
how
much
they
can
provide
to
us.
I
believe
it's
12,
let's
see
so
12
million
per
year,
I'll
have
to
double
check
the
number
but
anyway,
so
it
would
take.
No,
maybe
it
was
6
million
for
a
year
anyway.
So
I'll
get
you
the
final,
I
can't
remember
they
were
still
looking
at
possibly
changing
it.
So
I
think
I've
got
the
wrong
number
in
my
head,
but
anyway
we
were
thinking.
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It
would
take
at
least
five
years
six
year
to
five
to
six
years
to
get
that
paid
payment
reimbursed
from
them.
So
we
would
have
to
probably
do
some
short-term
financing
in
between
we're
also
looking
at
an
option,
possibly
to
and
we'll
kind
of
go
over
that
when
you
have
questions
on
any
of
the
projects,
but
we're
also
looking
at.
Is
there
a
possibility
to
do
find
a
different
program
that
would
extend
the
payment
period?
So
there's
one
we're
looking
at.
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I
don't
know
if
the
city
qualifies,
because
some
of
them
are
based
on
the
area,
that's
being
serviced
and
we
might
not
qualify
for
that
program,
but
it
would
change
it.
Srf
currently
is
a
20-year
payback
and
we're
trying
to
get
like
a
30-year
payback.
So
that
would
help
us
with
paying
back
that
loan
and
then
could
reduce
what
we're
going
to
suggest
for
a
proposed
rate
increase
for
next
year.
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Again
we
will
look
for
alternatives.
Maybe
we
can
get
that
project
down,
we
don't
know
yet,
but
it's
still
in
the
beginning,
design
and
engineering
phase
of
that
and
then
in
the
out
years
for
financing.
We
talk
about
septic
to
sewer,
so
we
estimate
a
certain
amount
for
grants,
as
well
as
financing
and
again
that
project
wouldn't
move
forward
unless
we
get
an
assessment
for
those
for
that
those
areas.
So.
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It
won't
be,
but
in
order
for
the
city-
and
this
is
a
kind
of
a
governmental
financing
issue
in
order
to
issue
a
purchase
order,
so
if
the
purchase
order
is
for
the
full
construction,
you
need
to
have
a
funding
source
for
that.
So
to
have
that
funding
source,
we
have
to
put
all
the
financing
in.
We
know
cash
flow
wise.
We
won't
need
it
all
in
one
year,
but
what
happens
is
at
the
end
of
the
year
those
purchase
orders
roll
over
along
with
any
associated
funding
source.
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For
the
record,
steve
leonard
yes,
and
no,
it
is
a
single
contract.
We
have
selected
our
construction
manager
at
risk.
It's
going
to
be
wharton
smith.
They
are
going
to
bid
out
competitively
bid
all
of
the
disciplines
electric
concrete.
All
of
that,
so
it's
going
to
be
a
bunch
of
small
contractors,
possibly
working
for
one
big
contractor
and
it's
transparent.
It's
done
on
the
city's
website.
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D
No,
when
we
go
for
the
final
loan
and
when
we
bring
the
final
project
before
you
to
go
forward,
we
will
have
a
guaranteed
maximum
price.
Obviously
forced
assure
could
come
into
play
with
inflation.
Nobody
knows
what
it's
going
to
do,
but
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
backup
I
mean
the
city
is:
is
is
in
as
good
a
position
as
they
could
be.
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I'm
thinking
more
in
terms
of
the
inflation
since
then
I
I
tried
to
run
some
numbers
in
inflation
for
on
a
private
basis,
and
I
did
my
food
that
I
did
for
six
months
for
the
the
last
six
months
of
21
took
a
look
at
the
first
six
months
of
this
year
and
it's
an
18
I'm
paying
18
more
this
year
in
just
that
six
month
period.
The.
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60
percent
number-
the
51
million
came
in
early
may
late
april
time
frame.
That
number
was
developed
this
year
this
year.
Yes-
and
it
also
includes
an
eight
percent
market
inflation
because
they
don't
know.
What's
going
to
happen,
I
mean
they're
trying
to
give
us
numbers
going
forward,
so
we
can
budget,
but.
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F
So,
like
last
year,
our
total
budget-
and
this
is
with
out
excluding
the
inter
fund
transfers-
was
about
163
million.
So
you
can
imagine
that,
with
this
year's
budget,
the
utilities
is
going
to
probably
have
a
little
higher
piece
of
the
share
of
the
total
budget.
You
know
all
funds
are
experiencing
some
issues
as
far
as
increasing
costs,
so
other
costs
are
going
up
and,
like
our
general
construction
fund,
we
have
the
project
for
the
city
hall.
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So
obviously
the
city
is
very
conscious
about
the
project
as
far
as
timing,
but
obviously
if
it
did
exceed
what
we
were
willing
to
pay
at
any
given
time
we
could
say
put
the
put
the
brakes
on
it
and
maybe
schedule
it
for
a
later
year.
You
know,
I
know
this
is
a
very
important
project
so
because
of
the
condition
of
our
water
treatment
wastewater
treatment
plant.
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B
Well,
mr
chair
yeah,
if
I
I
may
not
to
be
a
naysayer,
I
have
utmost
faith
in
the
staff-
oh
yeah,
but
to
maybe
pile
on
your
your
question
from
experience.
There's
no
guarantee
that
the
contractor
selected
by
warden
smith
will
perform
there's
so
many
factors
out
there.
As
you
know,
in
the
industry
they
could
go
bankrupt,
they
could
lose
their
supply
chain.
So
that's-
and
I
just
mentioned
that
because
I've
experienced
it
that
hopefully
this
will
move
forward
in
a
positive
way.
You
get
a
good
contract.
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A
No,
no,
not
at
all
as
it
turns
out.
I
have
worked
in
the
past
with
warden
smith
and
they're.
Very
good
quality
contractor
and
they've
been
in
the
the
business
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
and
big
projects
are
not
new
to
them.
So
I
think,
if
anything,
we
certainly
have
the
the
right
people,
but
there
are
things
that
are
beyond
their
control,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
keep
an
eye.
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F
Yes,
so
again,
we
sometimes
will
look
at
say
this
project
is
absolutely
needed
and
we
might
look
at
other
projects,
so
we
did
move
out
the
filtration
project.
We
moved
out
the
subject
to
sewer
projects.
You
know
because
those
ones
could
wait,
but
again,
even
on
this
project.
If
things
just
keep
snowballing,
we
would
continuously
look
at
it
and
it
maybe
come
down
to
a
decision
like
do.
We
need
to
delay
the
project
you
know
and
if
we
can
delay
it,
how
much
can
we
delay
it?
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
factors.
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F
F
F
Construction
fund
is
our
approximately
1.1
million
for
r
r
projects,
and
you
can
see
how
that
is
split
out
between
the
projects
that
we
do
and
again
we
don't
identify
the
specific
projects
they're
identified
during
the
year
based
on
what
is
the
most
necessary
need
in
any
cont
in
any
area,
so
septic
to
sewer.
We
kind
of
talked
about
that
kind
of
got,
pushed
out.
Utility
master
plan
for
water
and
wastewater
is
scheduled
for
fiscal
year
25.
F
We
did
find
funding
for
that
particular
project
to
move
forward,
but
we
wanted
to
bring
it
to
you
because
it
wasn't
complete
as
well
as
it
was
a.
I
believe
this
is
the
newer
project.
There
was
one
project
that
was
new
henry
street
14-inch
force,
main
riverside
drive,
force
main
henry
street
force.
Maine
are
all
projects
that
were
in
the
fiscal
year,
22
budget
and
they're
moving
forward.
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I
I
personally
feel
this
is
a
priority,
as
it
relates
back
to
the
expansion
of
the
wastewater
facilities
that
a
lot
of
the
facilities
are
being
put
in
place
to
handle
this
tremendous
peak
flow
that
we
get
during
rain
events,
and
so
I
just
think
that
it
should
be
expanded
to
do
a
more
methodical
study.
Like
a
sewer
system
evaluation
survey
and
from
that
survey,
then
we
put
together
a
program
to
reduce
eye
and
eye
in
a
more
regimented
methodical
way.
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D
We
have,
we
did
take
care
of
the
low
hanging
fruit
that
was
on
the
ini.
This
is
like
you
said
this.
This
money
is
to
you
know
they
they're
throughout
the
year.
They
find
a
manhole
that
the
bottoms
cracked
out
of
and
they
got
to,
pour
the
floor.
They
got
to
do
this.
They
got
to
line
some
lines,
they
got
to
replace
small
pieces
of
gravity.
D
You
know
because
the
clay
is
corroded
but
roots
have
destroyed
the
clay,
but
one
of
the
things
this
money
does
is
it
rolls
over
year
to
year,
and
if
you
notice,
there's
a
lift
station,
30
gravity
replacement
the
top
line
for
650
thousand
dollars.
That
is
100
ioni
related.
We
had
a
storm,
we
didn't
know.
The
system
was
in
that
bad
shape,
even
though
we
tv
it
regularly.
D
We
apparently
it
hadn't
been
tv
during
the
rainy
season
that
entire
gravity
section
is
leaking
bad,
so
we
took
prior
years
money
and
funded
that
unfunded
project.
Through
these
lines,
we
do
continuously
attempt
to
control
ini,
because
it's
it's
water,
you
have
to
treat
and
it
can
cause
spills
which
cost
money
with
fines.
D
C
C
C
I
know
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
from
the
reports.
I've
read
in
the
whole
wastewater
area.
I
think
something
that
is
important.
That
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
we
look
at
this
water
wastewater
master
plan
update
is
that
we
do
a
pressure
study
to
see
where
these
zones
of
influence
are,
and
when
I
say
a
pressure
study,
I
mean
I
I'd
like
the
city
to
look
at
several
growth
scenarios,
one
that
has
a
lot
of
annexation,
moving
out
east
one
that
has
maybe
just
average
and
then
one
that
says
minimal
growth.
C
C
E
C
C
C
E
F
F
we
have
the
ro
water
use
permit,
which
is
every
five
years
so
since
we
just
did
that
a
year
or
two
ago,
we
have
it's
scheduled
in
2026.,
and
some
of
these
just
so
you're
aware,
especially
with
the
permits,
sometimes
the
permitting
takes
a
long
time,
so
they
might
be
moved
up
a
year.
So
even
though
the
permit
might
not
expire
until
27,
we
have
to
get
working
on
it
in
2026.
F
Carbon
slurry
system
replacement,
scheduled
for
fiscal
year
25
and
26,
so
engineering
and
design
in
fiscal
year
25
with
the
construction
in
26.,
hendrickson
dam
inspection
program
at
maintenance.
They
currently
have
scheduled
approximately
90
000
that
they
haven't
spent
yet
so
right
now
they
can
just
carry
that
forward,
so
they
did
not
request
any
additional
funds
in
the
current
five-year
plan.
F
Dewatering
sludge,
press,
600,
000,
that's
currently
in
our
fiscal
year.
22
budget
project
is
ongoing,
but
it
wouldn't
be
complete
by
fiscal
year.
Fiscal
year
end.
So
some
of
these
projects
that
have
the
prior
year
money.
Just
so
you
know
we
keep
them
here
for
you
to
see
just
because
they're
not
going
to
be
complete.
At
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
we've
got
the
2mgd
storage
tank,
baffle
curtain
replacement,
500
000.
Again,
that's
fiscal
year,
22
project,
that's
ongoing.
F
We've
got
the
ro
brine
disposal
well,
mechanical
integrity
testing,
as
well
as
the
r.o
brine
disposal.
Well
permit
renewal
and
again,
the
testing
kind
of
has
to
get
done
before
we
start
the
permitting
on
that
one.
So
you
see
the
extra
funds
in
fiscal
year
25
for
the
testing
and
then
the
renewal
in
fiscal
year,
26.
F
F
I
think
this
one
is
hoped
to
be
completed
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
but
it's
not
quite
sure
so
we
kind
of
just
put
it
in
there
on
the
side
of
caution,
the
solano
water
main
replacement
upgrade.
We
have
200
000
for
engineering
and
the
actual
replacement.
Again.
This
is
a
project
that
was
kind
of
pushed
out.
The
estimated
costs
have
gone
up,
so
you've
got
3.3
million
in
fiscal
year.
24.
F
bell
harbor
water
main
replacement.
This
one
was
actually
in
our
five-year
plan
last
year,
but
it
was
actually
moved
forward.
So
some
of
the
other
ones
we've
moved
out
this
one
kind
of
had
to
be
moved
forward.
So
they're
asking
for
the
engineering
to
start
in
fiscal
year,
23
with
the
construction
in
fiscal
year
24..
D
C
E
E
We
ordered
the
pipe.
You
know.
The
very
first
thing
we
did
after
the
po
was
issued
was
one
we
went
and
did
what
they
call
owner
direct
purchase.
Yeah.
I
think
we
talked
about
ordered
all
the
pipe,
and
that
was
the
best
option
we
had
for
getting
the
project
started,
so
we're
still
waiting
on
that
pipe
delivery.
F
F
B
Related,
oh
yes,
I
saw
a
report
that
it
was
on
charlotte
pipe
that
has
no
religion
relationship
to
charlotte
county,
but
it
was
all
the
whole
supply
chain,
and
I
just
do
this-
a
point
of
information
that
they
were
operating
last
year
in
a
249
percent,
profit
yeah,
and
so
we
wonder
why
there's
supply
chain
issues
and
and
greed
fit
in
there
any.
I
didn't
want
to
use
that.
The
g
word.
C
F
Okay,
did
you
have
any
more
questions
on
water?
Okay,
I
do
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
operating
fund,
so
here's
our
pro
forma
for
fiscal
year,
23
through
27
to
the
base
pro
forma,
we'll
kind
of
go
over
our
assumptions,
things
that
are
still
pending,
but
this
gives
you
a
good
look
about
where
we're
at
so
again,
we
have
our
you
have
our
line
for
our
operating
revenues,
which
is
all
our
normal
type
revenue,
so
water
sewer
things
like
that.
F
We
did
show
a
line
for
proposed
rate
increases
and
we'll
get
to
that
in
the
next
slide,
but
the
proposed
rate
increases
that
we're
putting
into
this
particular
pro
forma
is
3.75
percent,
so
that
is
back
at
where
our
consultant
had
suggested.
We
be
at
with
the
increase
in
costs
that
we're
seeing,
especially
on
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
expansion
we
couldn't,
we
couldn't
make
it
work
with
the
two
percent
increases
that
we
had
in
there
again
we're
looking
at
alternatives.
F
If
we
can
find
something
like
I
said,
if
we
can
extend
our
loan
30
years
in
future
years,
we
could
bring
that
back
down.
But
for
fiscal
year
23
at
least
we're
suggesting
we
get
started
with
the
3.75
percent.
Increase
transfers
from
water
and
wastewater
impacts
is,
it
is
for
the
debt
service,
so
the
499
800
that
you
see
there
originally
that's
for
the
ro
plant
when
it
starts
going
up
in
fiscal
year,
25
and
26.
F
F
F
So
you
can
see
their
increases
and
then
you've
got
your
renewal
and
replacement.
That's
the
transfer
to
construction
for
those
projects
and
then
that
five-year
plan
that
we
talked
about.
Here's
the
rest
of
the
transfer
for
utilities,
construction
and
how
that
looks
the
ro
debt
service
is
there.
You've
got
our
transfer
to
the
srf
fund
to
increase.
The
srf
requires
us
to
have
a
minimum
of
one
year's
payment,
so
we
can
and
we
can
start
funding
it
as
we
take
draws.
F
So
that's
why
you
see
it
takes
three
years
to
get
to
that
full
one-year
payment,
and
then
we
estimate
the
debt
service,
starting
in
possibly
the
end
of
fiscal
year
25.
So
that's
why
you
only
see
half
a
year's
debt
service
in
there
and
then
fiscal
year,
26
and
27,
the
full
full
debt
service
and
again
the
water
treatment.
Filtration
rehab
is
also
done
the
same
way.
F
We
expect
a
half
year
of
debt
service
and
fiscal
year,
25
with
full
year
and
26
and
27.,
and
then
you
can
see
our
beginning
and
ending
operating
reserves.
So
with
the
3.75
percent
increases
that
are
proposed
in
the
pro
forma,
you
see
we
do
maintain
our
minimum
even
at
fiscal
year
27.,
so
we're
at
3.25
million.
F
Our
current
requirement
is
a
3.1
million
dollar
minimum
balance.
We
also
do
have
our
r
r
capital
reserve
of
1.5
million.
That's
there
for
emergencies.
Sometimes
we
have.
We
could
have
a
major
line
break
and
it's
not
in
our
budget.
How
are
we
going
to
handle
that?
We
keep
that
reserve
there
for
that?
F
You
may
recall
this
original
reserve
was
when
we
had
bond
debt
service
and
we
were
required
to
have
this
reserve
and
we
have
felt
that
it's
good
to
keep
it
rating
agencies,
like
you
having
a
an
emergency
type
of
fund
that
you
could
have
if
there's
something
to
happen
as
well
as
for
debt
service.
If
there
was
a
problem
there,
we
could
always
go
there.
F
We
do
estimate
growth
at
about
a
half
percent,
and
then
we
use
averages
for
our
account
consumptions,
because
again
it
depends
on
rate,
there's
a
lot
of
factors
that
go
into
the
consumption
such
as
rainfall.
How
many
people
are
down
here
from
the
north?
Are
they
staying
longer?
Are
they
staying
less?
F
F
So
it
depends
on
people
that
are
retiring
moving
over
from
being
active
employees
to
retirement
and
how
that
affects
it.
So
we
have
a
pretty
complicated
spreadsheet
to
kind
of
put
the
current
cost
versus
the
the
funding
for
the
retirees
and
and
divvy
it
out.
Based
on
that
those
factors,
the
defined
contribution
pension
is
ten
percent
on
pensionable
wages,
health
insurance.
We
estimate
six
percent
increases
and
workers
comp
insurance
at
ten
percent
and
those
are
the
same
estimates
that
were
used
for
fiscal
year.
23..
F
F
C
A
C
F
F
F
Last
year,
council
recognized,
you
know,
that's
really
not
enough,
especially
when
you're
comparing
to
the
other
entities
around
us
and
we're
losing
staff
to
these
areas
that
still
have
a
defined
benefit
plan.
They
recognize
so
they
increased
it
to
a
10
percent
match.
So
it's
a
dollar
for
dollar
up
to
10
percent.
C
B
B
D
F
F
So
right
now
I
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
know
before
the
this
past
year.
You
know
we
could
probably
do
some
go
back
and
ask
hr
to
do
some
work
on
it,
but
this
past
year
and
it's
not
just
a
utilities
problem.
I
think
it's
a
city-wide
problem
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
turnover
in
a
lot
of
divisions,
but
I
think
that'd
be
fair
to
say
I
think
in
distribution
they've
seen
a
little
more
turnover
in
their
maintenance.
F
A
F
F
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
it'll
be
in
july
or
maybe
august
before
it
goes
to
council,
but
we
would
expect
to
see
that
there's
going
to
be
some
increases
and
we
would
have
to
bump
up
the
budget
for
those
types
of
increases,
but
we
just
don't
have
an
estimate
yet
of
what
that
will
be
so
currently
in
fiscal
year
23
we
would
be
able
to
cover
it.
It's
just
when
we
get
to
those
out
years.
We
may
have
to
look
at
things
and
again,
five
years
is
a
long
look.
F
We
might
have
better
revenues
we
may
have.
You
know.
Prices
may
come
down
so
right
now.
A
lot
of
our
pro
forma
is
based
on
gas
prices
being
at
a
higher
rate
right.
So
because,
like
we
start
the
first
year
with
what
we
think
it
is
right
now
and
then
the
rest
of
the
years
are
just
using
a
percentage
increase
if
those
come
down
that
will
help
you
know.
So
we
really
try
to
look
at
a
lot
of
factors.
F
So
again,
even
if
an
increase
is
done
if
the
city
goes
ahead
with
their
paying
classification
study
and
it
gets
added
in
for
fiscal
year,
23
us
adding
that
in
is
not
dire.
You
know,
but
we
would
look
at
those
out
years.
How
does
it
affect?
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
fix
that
in
the
out
years?
You
know
so.
F
Operating
expenditures,
again
most
of
the
divisions
were
tasked
with
trying
to
stay
within
a
three
percent
increase.
However,
a
lot
of
there
were
some
things
that
we
could
not
keep
at
three
percent,
so
we'll
go
over
those
in
just
a
minute,
but-
and
some
things
are
still
estimates
once
all
the
budgets
are
done.
F
We
do
update
all
the
funds,
so
you'll
see
that,
like
kind
of
after
the
fact,
but
administration
charges
and
computer
overhead
will
be
updated
because
each
division
has
might
be
asking
for
personnel,
we
don't
know
what's
getting
approved
yet
once
we
know
that
we'll
say:
okay,
how
many
computers
are
for
each
division?
So
we-
wouldn't
you
know
it's
like
say
the
general
fund
goes
up
with
more
personnel.
F
You
might
see
a
little
bit
less
of
a
three
percent
decree
increase
in
admin
or
computer
overhead
because
you
might
not
have
as
many
employees
increasing
as
some
of
the
other
divisions
you
know.
So
we
do
look
at
all
of
that
general
liability.
We
still
do
not
have
our
quote
yet
for
so
right
now
we
have
a
five
percent
increase
that
comes
in
higher
or
lower,
and
that
also
is
spread
based
on
the
equipment
of
each
division,
the
buildings
of
each
division,
there's
some
pieces
that
are
related
just
to
police.
That
gets
pulled
out.
F
F
So
the
items
of
note
that
we
could
not
keep
at
the
three
percent
electricity-
and
this
is
based
on
the
fpl
rates
that
were
adopted
by
the
state
in
january,
1
2022,
which
was
an
approximate
15
percent
increase,
so
fuel
based,
is
on
current
rates,
we're
approximate
five
dollar
gallons,
so
that
takes
into
consideration
that
diesel's
a
little
higher
and
unleaded
is
a
little
lower.
So
we
kind
of
used
an
average
there.
F
F
D
C
D
D
No,
no,
no,
not
at
all
it
is
fwc
owns
that
land,
florida,
wildlife,
commission,
okay,
so
it's
it's!
The
state
of
florida
owns
the
land.
Most
lands
owned
by
the
state
of
florida
are
controlled
by
dep
this
one's
one
of
very
few
that
is
controlled
by
fwc
and
they're,
allowing
dep
to
help
them
on
this
lease.
Thank
you.
F
F
We
try
to
kind
of
hold
it
pretty
steady
about
seven
hundred
thousand
per
year,
every
once
in
a
while
that
kind
of
doesn't
work
out,
but
the
divisions
put
in
what
they
think
they're
going
to
need
to
replace
during
the
five
year
period
for
water
plant
as
well
as
wastewater
plant.
They
do
have
a
line
for
pumps,
motors
and
vfds
because
they
just
don't
know
which
they
know
they're
going
to
have
to
replace
something,
but
they
don't
always
know
which
ones
they're
going
to
do
so.
It's
hard
for
them
to
identify
a
specific
pump.
F
F
F
Other
assumptions
again,
we
continue
to
use
current
revenue
and
operating
reserves
to
fund
our
five-year
cip
as
much
as
we
can
estimated
debt
service
on
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
expansion
is
that
is
using
the
state
revolving
funds,
estimated
debt
service
for
the
water
treatment
plant
filtration
project
was
using
bank
financing
and
we
assume
increase
required
for
the
srl
loan
reserves,
which
is
the
one
year
estimated
payments.
So
we
kind
of
talked
about
that
already.
F
Our
reserve
assumptions
is
maintaining
that
3.1
million
operating
reserve
and
we're
also
maintaining
that
1.5
million
are
in
our
capital
reserve,
which
was
previously
previously
established
for
that
bonded
debt,
covenant
considerations
and
things
that
maybe
are
like
you
know
that
we're
still
dealing
with
and
might
affect
our
pro
forma
or
our
budget
needs.
So
volatility
of
water
and
wastewater
revenues,
rainfall,
drought,
conditions,
watering
restrictions,
economic
conditions,
etc
can
all
play
a
factor
into
the
usage
of
water.
So
sometimes
people
like
might
cut
back
on
water
trying
just
to
save
some
money.
You
know.
F
F
Watering
restrictions
back
in
we
haven't
really
seen
that
right
in
any
time
lately
but
like
in
the
last
recession,
we
had
a
situation
where
there
was
also
a
watering
restriction.
So,
besides
people
cutting
back
on
their
usage,
the
state
was
requiring
a
watering
restriction
and
we
couldn't
they
could
only
water
one
day
a
week
instead
of
two
days
a
week.
F
F
It
does
include
factors
for
the
florida
minimum
wage
requirements
going
up
to
fifteen
dollars
so
again
in
this
division.
I
don't,
I
think,
there's
only
one
grade
level-
that's
below
the
fifteen
dollars,
but
trying
to
get
that
up
even
now
is
probably
being
looked
at
as
part
of
the
pain
classification
study,
concern
regarding
continued
increases
in
cost
due
to
inflation,
supply
chain
demand
for
commodities
and
fuel
prices,
etc.
F
So
again,
we're
continually
see
monitoring,
but
it
does
affect
the
division's
budget
when
they're
trying
to
move
things
from
one
line
to
cover
their
chemical
costs
or
their
fuel
costs,
and
they
go
okay,
we'll
just
maybe
buy
a
little
bit
less
of
this
of
a
different
supply.
You
know
so
they're
really
trying
in,
but
you
know
they
can
only
do
so
much
there's
certain
things
you
have
to
do
an
uncertainty
of
economic
forecasts.
F
F
Some
people
talk
about
a
soft
landing.
I
just
attended
a
conference
though,
and
they
said
even
though
people
talk
about
the
soft
landing,
there
hasn't
been
one
in
the
us
history,
so
you
know.
So
how
likely
is
that
to
happen?
So
again
we
try
to
budget
for
these
conditions
and
put
ourselves
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
react
and
continue
to
move
forward.
If
something
should
happen
there
again,
we
kind
of
talked
about
the
assumptions
on
our
wastewater
treatment,
plant
expansion.
F
Again,
we're
looking
at
options
for
that
right
now
we
have
a
20-year
srf
loan
is
how
we've
budgeted
the
budget
of
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
look
for
grants.
Maybe
we
can
find
some
grants
for
this
wastewater
treatment.
Plant
expansion-
we
haven't
found
them
yet,
but
we
are
still
looking
review
of
the
water
treatment
plant.
F
Filtration
project
is
ongoing
again
for
any
alternatives,
and
the
assumption
on
that
was
that
we
were
using
a
15-year
low
interest
loan
from
a
bank,
but
maybe
we
could
possibly
get
a
20-year
loan
from
the
bank,
it's
not
as
common,
but
it's
not
unheard
of
either
so
depending
on
when
that
time
comes
and
we're
ready
to
look
go
out
for
that
loan.
We
would
actually
look
at
that
and
ask
a
bank
maybe
to
do
a
20-year
loan,
and
that
would
help
the
performer.
F
Again,
we
talked
about
the
subject
of
sewer
being
moved
out
and
our
assumptions
on
there.
We
assumed
25
grant
funding,
20-year
assessments,
new
billing
revenues.
So
again,
that's
currently
in
the
outer
years,
if
we
were
able
to
find
some
really
good
grants
that
might
move
up
again,
but
we
would
just
really
need
to
look
at
that
and
again
we
continue
to
look
at
opportunities
with
charlotte
county.
B
F
B
You
have
to
a
lot
a
lot
of
everybody
and
I'm
very
impressed
with
what
you
do.
One
overall
general
statement,
if
I'd
like
to
make,
I
heard
time
and
time
again
through
your
presentation,
which
was
very
good-
that
I
feel
very
good
as
a
resident
of
punta
gorda
that
the
the
finance
the
utilities
are
continually
looking
for
alternative
financing
methods
in
this
situation
that
we
live
now
in
the
financial
world
that
we're
around
I
mean
you
can
just
go
status
quo
and
just
say,
but
I'm
very
impressed
that
you
continue
to
look
for
grants.
B
F
A
A
I
also
would
like
to
commend
the
utility
department
itself.
Those
questions
that
I
was
asking
before
you
covered
those
very
nicely
about
the
the
things
that
are
also
of
concern
to
you
and
how
you're
looking
at
them.
It
seems
to
me
to
be
a
very
extremely,
even
a
stranger
issues
than
I
had
anticipated
little
things
that,
oh,
for
instance,
the
taylor
road
pipe
you're
buying
that
pipe
directly,
and
I
was
a
pipe
supplier.
D
A
D
They
because
we're
using
their
terms
and
conditions.
They
would
struggle
to
justify
that
in
the
city's
eyes,
because
all
we're
doing
is
replacing
their
their
purchase
order
with
our
purchase
order.
The
city
didn't
go,
get
the
quote
for
the
pipe
or
anything
we
use
their
quote
their
terms,
their
conditions.
D
It's
got
to
do
with
the
way
the
state
rules
and
procurement
knows
he's
way
better
than
I
do,
but
the
state
rules
around
us
avoiding
tax,
which
is
what
odp
was
designed
for.
We
actually
used
it
in
this
case,
not
only
to
avoid
the
tax,
but
we
had
several
contractors
say
that
they
couldn't
guarantee
the
price
because
they
wouldn't
get
the
price
for
the
pipe
until
it
was
sitting
on
the
ground
and
they
would
guarantee
the
price
to
the
city,
at
least
so
far.
F
B
A
F
F
And
then
the
last
one
would
just
be.
Are
you?
Okay?
Are
you,
okay,
with
recommending
the
current
pro
current
budget
fiscal
year,
23
proposed
budget
with
the
items
that
still
may
be
adjusted,
such
as
the
admin
fees,
the
general
liability,
the
computer
overhead
and
obviously
anything
that
might
come
out
of
the
pay
and
classification
study.
B
B
A
E
B
I
want
to
add
my
comments
to
the
positive
comments
that
have
already
been
made
about
both
the
actions
of
the
department
and
and
the
actions
of
finance
relative
to
the
3.75
in
in
the
past,
for
utilities
and
for
the
city
to
pass.
This
on.
A
budget
has
always
been
the
people
come
out
with
the
pitchforks
and
the
torches.
You
know,
oh.
A
B
B
That
makes
me
feel
much
better
about
the
3.75.
In
fact,
I'm
concerned
about
that
being
too
small
a
number,
but
let's
not
go
there.
You
guys
have
looked
at
it
in
depth
with
your
expertise
and
professionalism
and
I'm
very
impressed
with
all
of
that.
To
add
my
remarks
to
other
remarks.
I
appreciate
the
good
questions
dennis
in
a
little
more
depth
about
a
few
of
those
things
I
usually
kind
of
cringe.
I
know
here
we
go
again,
but
thank
you
for
doing
that.
Thank
you
for
your
good
answers.