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A
B
City
council
I'd
like
to
read
a
quote
from
John
Quincy
Adams
that
says
my
hopes
for
a
future
are
founded
on
the
gospel
of
Christ
and
I
cannot
call
or
quibble
that
away.
Would
you
pray
with
me
father?
We
ask
for
your
help
to
find
love
and
to
find
peace
within
our
own
selves
that
will
Empower
us
to
love
one
another
and
be
at
peace
with
one
another
guide
us
through
this
council
meeting
today
that
every
decision
that
is
made
is
for
the
betterment
of
this
city
and
for
the
honor
of
you
yourself.
B
We
ask
for
your
continued
Grace
and
blessing
on
all
First
Responders
that
continue
to
enable
us
to
be
supported
and
to
be
safe.
We
thank
you
for
the
military
that's
serving
here
at
home
and
those
that
are
Broad,
and
thank
you
that
we
can
continue
to
be
one
nation
under
God
in
the
United
States
of
America
in
Jesus
name,
amen,.
A
Thank
you,
Pastor
Frank.
Okay,
does
anyone
have
any
changes
or
addendums
to
the
meeting
agenda.
A
There
are
several
proclamations
and
Service
Awards
today,
so
I'm,
going
to
step
down
to
the
other
Podium
and
I
will
ask
that
each
council
member
who's
going
to
read
a
proclamation
do
the
same
and
we'll
do
all
the
presentations
from
the
podium
for
anyone
who
is
receiving
an
award
or
a
proclamation
when
we
get
to
your
agenda
item,
if
you
please
come
down
to
the
front
of
the
room
and
we'll
keep
things
moving
that
way.
Thank
you.
A
A
D
Everybody
Chief
Pam,
Davis,
Punta,
Gorda,
Police,
Department
I
just
want
to
share
a
little
bit
information
about
Russ
he's
one
of
our
shining
stars
officer,
fiorino,
served
in
the
United
States
Air
Force
as
a
military
law
enforcement,
patrolman
law
enforcement,
death
sergeant
and
a
nuclear
resource
response.
Force
member
insecurity
specialist
from
2004
until
2010.
D
D
He
helps
his
Watch
Commander
out
with
all
the
administrative
duties
and
he's
certainly
a
go-to
person
for
us
he's
a
member
of
the
fto
team,
the
dive
team,
Honor
Guard
team
and
he's
our
team
leader
for
our
veteran
crisis
assistance
team,
and
he
is
also
a
board
member
of
the
military
Heritage
Museum
here.
So
thank
you
for
everything
you
do.
Russ
he's
received
a
number
of
awards,
including
the
special
recognition
award,
life-saving
and
exceptional
Duty
and
I
couldn't
be
more
proud
to
serve
alongside
you.
Your
outstanding.
Thank
you.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything,
okay,.
A
E
Good
morning,
Steve
Adams
utilities
department
engineering.
It's
a
pleasure
to
recognize
Robert's
20-year
achievement
here
today.
Additionally,
we're
recognizing
20,
plus
six
Robert,
actually
worked
for
the
city
six
years
from
1997
or
87.
Excuse
me
to
1993,
and
he
worked
10
years
with
Charlotte
County
utilities
and
in
May
2003
our
Wastewater
section
hired
him
as
Senior
Crew
Chief,
and
he
spent
15
years
in
wastewater's
collections
and
most
recently
he's
been
joined
us
in
engineering
for
five
years.
Where
he's
a
senior
project
mandatory.
E
We
can't
describe
Robert's
career
here
without
using
the
word
amazing,
because
he
is
amazing.
He
has
this
totally
expert
knowledge
of
everything
about
construction
and
utilities
which
we
rely
on.
He
helps
people
every
day,
he's
the
most
courteous
and
helpful
person
possible.
We
help
our
customers.
We
help
our
Engineers.
We
help
our
developers
and
he's
participated
in
a
lot
of
projects.
You've
seen
such
as
the
fiber
Road
FedEx,
as
well
as
the
water
main
we're
currently
building
on
Taylor
Road
today.
A
Okay-
and
we
now
have
four
proclamations
we're
going
to
be
presenting-
this
is
the
first
one
is
for
regarding
the
Memorial
Day
Celebrations
that
are
upcoming,
and
it's
my
honor
and
privilege
to
present
this
Proclamation
from
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
whereas
in
May
1868
Major,
General,
John,
A
Logan
called
for
a
nationwide
day
of
remembrance
to
pay
tribute
to
those
who
gave
their
lives
serving
our
country,
which
would
officially
be
designated
Memorial
Day
by
Congress
and
whereas
on
this
Memorial
Day
in
cities
and
towns
throughout
our
nation,
Americans
will
join
together
to
honor
the
fallen
heroes
of
our
armed
forces
and
whereas
our
men
and
women
in
uniform
have
sacrificed
their
lives
to
maintain
the
security
of
this
great
nation
and
the
liberties
we
hold
so
dear,
and
they
continue
to
work
toward
peace
and
prosperity
in
the
world.
A
And
whereas,
today
and
every
day,
we
pledge
to
never
forget
the
men
and
women
of
the
Armed
Forces.
Who
gave
the
ultimate
sacrifice
in
defending
our
freedoms.
We
express
our
gratitude
to
the
families
of
our
fallen
Warriors.
We
keep
Faith
with
all
those
who
have
died
for
our
country
and
the
fight
for
permanent
peace,
and
we
honor
our
unwavering
commitment
to
all
members
of
the
Armed
Forces.
A
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
observe
Monday
May
29
2023
as
Memorial
Day,
and
urge
our
citizens
to
honor
our
military
men
and
women
who
put
their
lives
on
the
line
every
day
to
keep
us
free,
Pastor
Julie,
adopted
in
regular
session.
The
17th
day
of
May
2023,
signed
Leonard
Matthews
mayor
and
accepting
is
the
president
of
the
Charlotte
County
veterans,
Council
Mr,
Steve
Cornwell
foreign.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
you
being
here
all
right.
The
next
Proclamation
is
going
to
be
for
National
Garden
week
and
council
member
Peterman
will
be
giving
this
Proclamation.
F
F
Now,
therefore,
this
City
Council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
is
hereby
Proclaim.
June,
look
10th
Karen
I'm
reading
through
the
foliage
there's
a
lot
of
foliage
on
this
Proclamation
I
think
it's
June
10th
2023
as
National
Garden
week,
and
encourages
residents
to
acknowledge
the
importance
of
gardening
and
the
numerous
contributions
of
garden
and
garden
clubs.
F
Oh
sorry,
I
just
leaned
on
it:
okay,
yeah
I'm,
not
having
a
good
morning.
Obviously
all
right,
Gardens
and
garden
clubs,
therefore
passed
and
adopted
in
regular
session
the
17th
day
of
May
2023
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
Lynn,
R,
Matthews
mayor
and
accepting
as
Peggy
Stanfield.
G
Good
morning
as
the
past,
Commodore
of
the
Isles
Yacht
Club
boating,
particularly
safe
boating,
is
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
read
this
Proclamation,
whereas
the
United
States
Coast,
Guard,
auxiliary
flotilla,
98,
Charlotte
Harbor,
along
with
America's
Boating,
Club,
Peace,
River
and
other
alliances
are
joined
in
efforts
to
promote
safe
boating
education
for
all
and
whereas
voters
are
encouraged
to
take
a
safe
voting
course.
Because
uneducated
and
untrained
voters
are
five
times
more
likely
to
die
in
a
boating.
Mishap.
G
A
personal,
locating
Beacon
will
direct
rescue
to
within
10
feet
of
its
location,
real
boaters,
wear
their
life
vests
and
a
Personal
Locator
Beacon,
and
whereas
a
new
law
was
passed
in
2021
aimed
at
reducing
injuries
and
death
caused
by
runaway
boat,
propeller
strikes
for
all
boaters
less
than
26
feet.
Without
an
enclosed
cabin,
the
Helmsman
is
required
to
wear
a
safety
lanyard
to
kill
the
engine
if
thrown
overboard.
G
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council,
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
May
20
through
26
2023
is
National
safe
boating
week
and
urges
everyone
to
take
a
safe
voting
course.
Wear
your
life
jacket,
use
a
pld
or
plb
use
the
engine,
cutoff
switch
and
refrain
from
consuming
alcohol
or
drugs
while
operating
a
vessel.
G
C
As
a
representative
of
Charlotte
Harbor
flotilla,
9,
8,
United,
States,
Coast
Guard
auxiliary
I
would
like
to
thank
mayor
Lynn,
R
Matthews
and
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
for
issuing
the
national
safe
boating
week.
Proclamation
we're
pleased
to
share
the
proclamation
with
Mr
Jim
Ayers
from
America's
Boating
Club
Peace
River.
C
C
I
Good
morning,
Proclamation
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
whereas
Emergency
Medical
Services,
are
a
vital
public
service
with
members
of
Emergency
Medical
Teams
ready
to
provide
life-saving
care
to
those
in
need.
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
and
whereas
access
to
Quality,
Emergency
Care
dramatically
improves
their
survival
and
recovery
rate
of
those
who
experience
sudden
illness
or
injury,
and
whereas
Emergency
Medical
Service
has
grown
to
fill
a
gap
by
providing
important
out
of
hospital
care,
including
preventative
medicine,
follow-up
care
and
access
to
telemedicine.
I
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
May
21st
through
May
27
2023,
as
Emergency
Medical
Services
week
with
the
EMS
strong
theme
EMS
week,
where
Emergency
Care
begins.
We
encourage
the
community
to
observe
this
week
with
appropriate
programs,
ceremonies
and
activities
pass
and
duly
adopted.
A
regular
session.
The
17th
day
of
May
2023
city
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida
Sign
Lennar
Matthews
we're
going
to
have
Chief
Gibbs
accept
the
proclamation.
We
have
some
others
that
have
joined
us
today.
I
We
have
Andy
Roman
CEO
and
president
of
shore
Point
Health,
Port,
Charlotte
and
Punta
Gorda,
hospitals,
Austin
Logan,
Chief,
administrator
officer,
CAO
for
sure
Point,
Health,
Punta,
Gorda,
Laura,
Knight,
Chief,
nursing
officer
for
sure,
Point,
Health,
Punta,
Gorda
and,
of
course,
additional
EMS
staff.
Thank
you.
J
Holden
Gibbs
fire
chief
Punta
Gorda
I,
just
like
to
thank
the
mayor
and
city
council
for
this
Proclamation
recognizing
Emergency
Medical
Services
week.
You
see
the
big
team
in
front
of
you.
It
takes
a
it,
takes
a
big
crew
to
provide
this
service,
and
you
know
it
starts
out
with
with
our
dispatchers
all
through
our
First
Responders,
our
EMTs
paramedics,
ambulance,
services
and
Crews,
and
all
the
way
up
to
our
our
medical
staff
at
the
emergency
room.
J
K
Good
morning
Andy
Roman
CEO
at
Shore
point
we
have
the
opportunity
in
the
emergency
department
to
to
interact
with
our
EMS
providers.
Here
many
of
those
4
000
calls
that
that
they
were
caught
on
last
year,
ultimately
resulted
in
the
emergency
department.
I
can
tell
you
firsthand.
We
are
very
fortunate
to
work
with
such
a
professional
skilled
group
of
First
Responders,
and
that
really
was
never
more
evident
than
their
the
the
incredible
work
that
they
did
last
year
following
hurricane
Ian.
K
They
were,
they
were
out
in
the
streets
when
it
was
they
put
themselves
at
risk
to
make
sure
that
this
community
was
cared
for
during
a
difficult
time
and
really
very
proud
and
honored
to
recognize
this
great
group
here
and
thank
you
for
all.
You
do.
A
Thank
you
all
very,
very
much
for
all
that
you
do.
We
are
very
blessed
to
have
such
a
wonderful
team
of
people
in
our
city
and
not
only
just
with
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
staff,
but
with
our
Hospital
staff
as
well.
So
thank
Andy,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
and
for
participating
in
this,
and
it
was
I
will
add
that
Shore
Point
Health
was
the
entity
that
actually
asked
and
requested
for
this
proclamation
to
be
read
in
honor
of
all
of
you.
A
L
Also,
just
okay,
I'd
like
to
take
a
second
to
put
that
in
perspective.
When
we
talk
about
4
000
a
year,
we're
talking
about
80
a
week,
we're
talking
about
11
a
day,
we're
almost
one
every
two
hours.
So
these
gentlemen
are
always
on
the
road,
24
7.,
gentlemen,
ladies
team,
and
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
such
a
high
caliber
of
Emergency
Services
in
our
city,
almost
every
two
hours
80
a
week.
A
Thank
you.
Okay
and
last
but
not
least,
we
have
an
award
that
I'm
honored
to
present
to
one
of
our
staff
from
the
city
clerk's
office.
This
is
going
to
go
to
Sarah
Welch,
who
just
completed
the
massive
amount
of
work
that
is
required
to
obtain
the
certified
municipal
clerk,
certification
and
honored
and
privileged
to
present
this
to
Sarah
for
all
her
hard
work.
M
N
Yeah,
if
you
don't
get
off
that
easy,
Karen,
Smith
city
clerk,
I,
have
to
say
a
few
things
about
Sarah.
So
when
I
hired
Sarah
to
be
our
recording
secretary
in
December
of
2017.
N
I
could
never
have
imagined
what
a
great
decision
that
would
turn
out
to
be.
She
has
such
positive
energy
and
creativity,
she's,
highly
productive,
she's,
trustworthy,
kind-hearted,
extremely
intelligent
and
best
of
all.
She
knows
all
kinds
of
stuff
about
computers
that
I
don't
know.
In
less
than
two
years
with
our
office,
she
was
promoted
to
Deputy,
City,
Clerk
and
she's
been
doing
great
things
ever
since,
while
her
accomplishments
are
too
numerous
to
list
in
the
time
I
have
here
today,
I
have
to
mention
a
few
key
projects
that
probably
wouldn't
have
gone
so
smoothly.
N
Without
her,
she
was
key
to
implementing
the
gov
QA
records,
request,
response
tracking
system
and
the
new
granicus
agenda
management
software.
She
served
as
the
office
liaison
to
the
Charter
Review
Committee.
She
worked
on
revisions
to
the
bylaws
for
10
different
city
boards
and
then
presented
them
at
the
board
meetings.
N
Congratulations
Sarah
on
this
outstanding
achievement.
I
am
so
proud
of
you
and
appreciate
all
that
you've
done
for
our
office
and
for
me
it's
been
a
pleasure.
Getting
to
know
you
and
to
work
with
you
and
I
know
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
great
things
from
you
in
the
future
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
present
you
with
your
well-deserved,
cmec,
pin.
O
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Bob
Seifert
I'm
here
this
morning,
because
my
term
on
the
Planning
Commission
expires
in
July
and
I
would
respectfully
request
that
you
consider
me
for
another
term.
Thank
you.
Thank.
P
H
Good
morning,
my
name
is
Sam
Cox
I'm
here
to
submit
my
application
for
the
code
enforcement
I
retired
from
IBM
that
wasn't
enough.
I
retired
from
FedEx
I
have
a
lot
of
contributions.
I'd
like
to
make
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
I
attend
the
Citizens
Academy.
My
wife
and
I
have
lived
here
for
over
six
years
and
I
would
like
to
be
considered
for
this
position.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
Q
Good
morning
Council,
my
name
is
Scott.
Bostrom
I've
been
on
the
building
board
for
the
last
two
years.
I
took
the
position
when
it
was
vacated
early
by
one
of
the
members
and
I'd
like
to
continue
on
and
be
a
participant
in
the
building
board
going
forward
for
the
next
three-year
term.
As
an
alternate.
Thank.
R
Good
morning
Mr
Julia
de
merola
I'm,
a
member
of
the
building
board,
I've,
been
serving
in
the
building
border.
For
one
year
we
moved
to
Punta
Gorda
three
years
ago.
We
love
the
Punta
Gorda
and
in
Massachusetts
we,
my
husband,
actively
involved
the
politics
and
he
served
in
few
words.
I
attended
a
few
many
meetings
over
there.
I
was
always
looking
for
the
opportunity
to
serve
the
and
contribute
to
the
community.
So
I
submitted
the
application.
2020
I
got
opportunity
to
serve
our
building
board.
R
R
L
Q
Brian
Ritz
I
was
called
about
the
Code
Compliance
position.
P
A
You
anyone
else,
okay.
Well,
thank
you
all
for
volunteering
to
serve.
We
really
appreciate
that
the
boards
and
committees
are
a
very
important
part
of
the
city
government
and
we
appreciate
everyone's
willingness
to
serve
the
community
all
right.
So
before
we
open
the
floor
for
public
comments,
I
have
some
housekeeping
notes
to
read
into
the
record
first,
would
you
please
silence
all
personal
devices
if
you
have
them
with
you,
these
meetings
are
recorded
and
it
disrupts
the
proceedings
when
phones
go
off
during
the
meeting.
A
So
I
would
appreciate
it
if
everyone
could
silence
all
their
devices.
There
is
a
Code
of
Conduct
in
the
council
chamber.
Members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
rules
on
the
screen.
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
Council
should
use
the
guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff
and
applicant
presentations
only
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
A
If
it
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
please
also
state
that
you've
been
sworn
in
and
we
will
have
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
today.
So,
right
before
we
begin
that
hearing,
we
will
swear
people
in
for
that.
For
that
particular
agenda
item.
Each
person
has
three
minutes
to
speak.
Sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
A
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
no
applause,
sidebar
conversations
or
booing
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience
during
the
meeting.
If
you
have
supporting
documents
that
you
wish
displayed
during
your
presentation,
you
must
provide
a
copy
to
the
city
clerk
and
these
documents
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
citizens.
A
Comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
Only
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public.
With
that,
we
will
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comments.
If
you
wish
to
speak
on
any
subject,
you
may
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
S
Excuse
me,
Pat,
Niles,
Gateway,
Point,
I.
Think
one
of
the
best
parts
of
the
meeting
is
when
you
do
the
proclamations
I.
They
were
just
great
today
they
always
are,
but
it's
something
about
those
proclamations
that
you
remind
all
of
us,
that
we
are
a
caring
community
and
that
we
enjoy
being
that
way
because
you
can
see
it
from
your
faces
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
audience's
faces
too.
So
that's
just
terrific.
S
S
I
think
on
those
one
of
them
had
to
do
with
verbal
agreements
and
that,
for
example,
on
the
April
19th
meeting
when
fishville
who's
going
to
do
their
presentation
at
that
time,
and
they
were
setting
up
a
time
frame
for
the
groups
who
are
going
to
have
time
to
review
it
before
it
went
before
the
presentation
and
it
ended
up
through
the
discussion
of
the
city
council
and
then
the
vote
that
that
wasn't
necessary.
S
I
thought
when
the
the
mayor
and
our
attorney
gave
a
very
compelling
reason
that
that
should
be
done
and
that
there
should
have
been
a
time
frame
established
and
I
guess
the
proof
is
in
the
pudding
and
that
fish
bill
was
not
ready
to
do
their
presentation.
S
I
thought
it
was
very
thoughtful
and
well
done
and,
despite
whatever
may
be
an
outcome,
it's
very
important
how
you
go
through
process
here
at
this
meeting
and
when
respect
can
be
given
to
someone
whether
on
the
city,
council
or
up
here
speaking
I,
think
that's
a
very
important
thing
to
happen.
The
last
thing
was
the
bay
front
rebuild
in
the
discussion
of
five
instead
of
seven,
and
there
was
some
logic
thrown
out
on
the
on
about.
S
If
everyone
can
speak,
then
perhaps
you
don't
need
so
many
on
the
committee
and
my
older
brother
David,
who
was
in
the
real
estate
business,
would
have
called
that
a
sales
pitch
logic
and
that,
if
you
speak
here,
you
don't
have
a
vote
and
the
vote
is
what
makes
the
decision
that
happens.
Thank
you.
T
U
Hello,
my
name
is
Debbie
coudre,
and
this
is
address
the
CAC
and
the
CC
mpo
I
would
like
the
city
council
to
make
suggestions
towards
and
I
suggest
that
we
as
a
PG
citizens
33950,
have
an
interested
in
preserving
red
Esplanade
for
the
improved
flow
around
Fisherman's
Village
for
emergency
access
and
better
flow.
This
could
be
prioritized
through
the
CC
mpo,
with
recommendations
to
the
fdot,
the
CC
mpos,
the
Metropolitan
planning
organization.
U
A
Q
V
U
V
Pursuant
to
section
190.012
friends,
two
Florida
Statutes
to
exercise
certain
additional
powers
to
finance
plan,
establish,
acquire
construct,
reconstruct,
enlarge
or
extend,
equip
operate
and
maintain
systems
and
facilities
for
one
parks
and
facilities
for
indoor
and
outdoor
recreational,
cultural
and
educational
uses
and
two
security,
including,
but
not
limited.
To
guard
houses,
fences
and
Gates,
electronic
intrusion,
detectives
detection
systems
and
patrol
cars
provided
for
conflicts
and
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
Thank
you.
W
Good
morning,
Lisa
Hannon
zoning,
official
and
I
have
been
sworn
we'd
like
to
enter
our
staff
report
into
the
record
and
its
entirety
by
reference,
City
staff
finds
and
determines
that
all
the
elements
under
Section
190.005,
parent2
parent
C,
Florida
Statutes,
have
been
met
and
with
respect
to
the
establishment
of
the
north
loop
Community
Development
district
and
recommends
that
city
council
adopt
the
ordinance
establishing
the
North
Loop
Community
Development
District
Planning
Commission
also
recommended
approval
of
the
request.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant.
They
will.
W
V
Mayor
is
the
petitioner
comes
forward,
I
just
wanted.
This
is
the
first
time
that
the
city
is
considered
a
Community
Development
district
and
it's
a
statutory
creation.
There
are
six
criteria
for
your
consideration
as
to
whether
to
Grant
or
deny
the
petition.
That's
why
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
V
Criteria
and
the
staff
report
I
think
is
addressed
those
in
review
of
the
petition,
but
there
are
two
of
the
two
of
the
six
are
more
addressed
to
your
policy
making
and
discretionary
determination
and
I'll.
Just
read
those
I'm
sure
the
applicant
is
going
to
focus
in
on
those
as
well
as
the
other
four.
V
But
the
two
of
concern
for
your
consideration
is
whether
the
district
is
the
best
alternative
available
for
delivering
Community,
Development,
Services
and
Facilities
to
the
area
that
will
be
served
by
the
district
and
whether
the
community
development
services
and
facilities
in
the
district
will
be
incompatible
with
the
capacity
and
uses
of
existing
local
and
Regional
Community,
Development,
Services
and
Facilities.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
who
will
have
30
minutes
for
their
presentation.
V
X
And-
and
thank
you
all
so
much
my
name
is
Jer.
Earlywine
I'm,
with
q-tac
rock
I,
have
been
sworn
I
also
have
with
me.
Craig
rothell
from
rathell
hunting,
Associates
and
Todd
Rebel
from
Banks
Engineering
they've
also
been
sworn
and
at
this
point
I
would
submit
in
addition
to
the
the
staff
presentation
and
memo
I
would
submit
into
evidence
Our
pre-filed
Testimony
that
we've
previously
submitted,
as
well
as
our
petition
itself.
When.
V
X
Will
do
that?
Thank
you
so
much,
and
so
what
I
thought
I
would
do.
I
know
you
all
know
a
little
bit
about
Community
Development
districts,
there's
over
900
now
in
in
Florida
and
a
dozen
or
so
in
Charlotte
County,
but
I
thought
I'd
provide
a
little
bit
of
background
on
CDs
talk
about
some
of
the
advantages
and
why
it
is
a
better
alternative
than
the
traditional
developer
HOA
model
and
then
we'll
walk
down
through
those
six
industrial
ailments
that
Mr
Levine
spoke
to.
X
So,
as
you
all
know,
back
in
the
1980s,
the
Florida
legislature
recognized
that
Florida
was
going
to
be
a
growth
State,
a
lot
of
people
moving
to
Florida
and
boy.
Has
that
been
true
over
the
last
30
40
years?
And
it's
really
happening
right
now,
even
more
than
ever,
and
they
looked
at
the
traditional
model,
where
you
have
a
developer,
with
a
homeowners
association,
kind
of
installing
the
infrastructure
and
maintaining
it
and
they
looked
at
different
models
around
the
country
and
they
said
hey.
X
That's
the
CDD
statute
and
Florida
cities,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
almost
a
thousand
of
them
in
Florida
that
most
of
which
have
come
up
in
the
last
10
to
15
years,
went
through
the
Great
Recession
with
them,
and
they
did
really
well
and
in
fact
the
Florida
CDs
are
some
of
the
best
selling
most
popular
communities
in
Florida.
Look
up
in
Jacksonville
with
Nocatee
on
the
East
Coast
you've
got
Vieira
stewardship
District,
which
is
basically
a
CDD
and
and
you've
got
an
Orlando
area.
X
The
Villages
Lakewood,
Ranch,
Babcock
Ranch
in
Charlotte
County
you've
got
West
Villages
and
Island
Lake
Estates
and
Riverwood
and
Waterford
States.
There's
you
know
a
dozen
or
so
in
in
Charlotte
County
as
well,
and
you
know
what
what
they
are.
Is
it's.
It's
a
lot
like
a
homeowners
association.
It
can
just
do
more
things,
so
you
know
acidity
and
I'll
talk
about
the
benefits,
but
there's
kind
of
three
overarching
benefits.
There
can
deliver
infrastructure
at
less
cost.
X
There
are
much
better
operation
maintenance
entity
and
then
they
also
have
some
default
protection
in
case
the
attorney
the
economy
turns
sour
and
we'll
talk
about
those
advantages,
but
before
I
get
to
that,
I'll
just
give
you
some
nuts
and
bolts
about
how
they
work.
When
a
project
developer
wants
to
come
and
develop
a
project
with
a
CD,
they
come
to
a
hearing
like
this
and
ask
for
the
establishment
of
the
CD
by
ordinance.
You
all
would
adopt
the
ordinance
if
you're
so
inclined
once
that
CD
is
up
and
running.
X
It
operates
a
lot
like
a
homeowner
association
where,
in
the
early
years
it's
it's
got.
A
Board
of
Supervisors
operated
by
the
developer
representative,
sit
on
it
in
the
early
years
and
then
over
time,
it'll
transition
to
resonant
control.
It
happens,
a
transition
typically
faster
than
a
homeowner
association.
You
know
an
HOA
board
turns
over
at
90
95
build
out
well,
a
CDD
has
elections
every
two
years
and
once
you've
sold
50
percent
of
the
land,
you
can
actually
start
turning
seats
over.
X
So
it
can
happen
much
earlier
and
get
those
residents
involved
much
earlier
as
well.
We'll
talk
about
that
Advantage
here
in
a
bit,
but
the
way
it
works
is
once
the
developers
on
the
board
they've
got
their
CD
set
up,
they'll
go
out
and
issue
taxes
and
bonds
which
are
done
at
favorable
rates.
That's
the
whole
purpose
of
it
right.
X
The
infrastructure
actually
costs
less,
and
so
the
city
can
go
in
and
install
Better,
stormwater
ponds
and
utilities
and
amenities-
and
you
know
it
just-
allows
us
to
to
deliver
a
better
looking
project
for
Less
cost,
because
the
money
costs
less
so
there's
more
money
to
go
around
and
after
the
infrastructure
is
installed.
The
CD
puts
in
place
a
special
assessment.
X
It's
usually
over
30-year
period
to
repay
this
bond,
that
they've
issued
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure,
and
that
goes
on
the
tax
bill
and
residents
pay
it
along
with
their
taxes
over
the
30-year
period.
They
have
the
option
to
prepay
if
they
want,
but
the
rates
are
usually
really
favorable
and
so
most
people
typically
don't
repay
it.
They'll
just
pass
along.
You
know.
If
you
live
in
a
house
for
10
years,
you
pay
for
the
10
years
and
then
you
sell
the
house
and
the
rest
of
it
gets
paid
for
by
the
the
future.
X
Homeowner
and
and
after
the
infrastructure
is
in.
The
city
really
turns
into
an
operation
maintenance,
and
it's
just
like
an
HOA,
but
unlike
in
HOA
it
can,
it
can
handle
the
operation
maintenance
in
a
much
better
way.
So
that's
essentially
how
it
works.
You
get.
The
project
established,
see
the
issues
the
bonds
uses.
The
bond
money
to
pay
for
the
infrastructure
puts
the
assessment
lien
in
place,
and
then
it
basically
operates
like
an
HOA
but
better.
X
G
G
A
X
But
don't
don't
forget
your
question.
You're
gonna.
Ask
me
what
happens
in
the
event
of
a
default
or
something
on
those
lines?
No,
what
happens
at
the
end?
I
got
you.
Okay,
it's
a
Perpetual
maintenance
entity.
So
it's
it's
designed
to
carry
on
just
like
an
HOA
would
yeah
for
forever
and-
and
that
said,
if,
if
the
residents
decide,
they
don't
want
it
anymore
or
something
like
that,
they
can
pay
their
bonds
off.
X
Come
back
to
you
all
and
ask
to
dissolve
it
if,
if
they're
so
inclined,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
how
it
ends
up,
but
but
for
the
most
part,
what
my
and
I'll
tell
you
a
situation.
I
had
down
in
Southwest
Florida
I'm,
not
aware
of
a
lot
of
CD
boards
ever
deciding
to
dissolve
the
one
instance.
I
had
a
smaller
CDD
down
in
Southwest
Florida
that
came
to
me
and
said:
hey,
can
you
come
down
and
look
at
our
city?
We've
got
an
HOA.
X
We've
got
a
CDD,
we're
a
small
neighborhood
I
think
they
had
maybe
175
homes
or
something
like
that.
They
were
on
larger
lots
and
they
said
we're
paying
for
an
HOA
we're
paying
for
a
CD
we'd
like
to
get
get
you
to
dissolve
the
CD.
Well,
I,
go
to
the
meeting
and
I
make
the
presentation
tell
them
how
they
can
dissolve
if
they
want
to,
and
all
the
residents
come
up
to
me
and
come
up
to
the
board
and
say:
look
we
don't
want
to
dissolve.
X
We
like
the
fact
that
we
can
collect
our
assessments
on
the
tax
roll
instead
of
going
through
the
HOA
and
having
to
put
you
know,
liens
on
homes.
We
like
the
fact
that
we
can
get
FEMA
funding.
We
like
the
fact
that
we
can
get
money
to
rebuild
and
refurbish
our
bridge
and
our
stormwater
Pond
through
a
tax
exempt
loan
through
a
bank.
X
We,
like
all
the
we
like
the
fact
that
it's
it's
more
transparent,
that
you
have
to
have
Sunshine
laws
and
and
public
records
law,
so
we
can
get
access
to
records
and
ultimately,
that
board
backed
off
and
the
next
year.
You
all
were
talking
about
hurricane
Ian.
Well,
the
next
year
that
particular
Community
got
hit
by
a
hurricane
and
they
ended
up
getting
a
six-figure
recovery
from
FEMA
and
but
bet
you,
but
they
they
kept
that
CD
in
place
after
that.
X
So
they
really
really
did
appreciate
the
CD
structure,
but
that's
the
only
time
I've
ever
had
anyone
ask
me
to
dissolve
a
CDD
and
they
ended
up
not
doing
it,
and
they
were
really
thankful
not
to
okay.
So
just
just
briefly
on
the
North
Loop
project
and
we'll
get
into
some
of
the
advantages
here
in
a
minute,
I've
talked
about
a
little
bit
already,
but
North
Loop
project
kind
of
has
those
two
two
pieces.
X
There's
the
north
piece
and
the
South
piece
both
have
been
approved
for
zoning,
so
the
development's
already
been
approved.
It's
set
on
approximately
116
Acres
you've
got
about
368
homes,
both
detached
and
attached,
I
think
the
attacher
in
the
North
End
and-
and
so
that's
that's.
The
development
plan
and
I
did
a
study
once
on
CDs,
just
to
see
kind
of
how
big
CDs
are
and
like.
When
does
it
make
sense
and
that's
their
same
thing?
X
Two-Thirds
of
the
CDs
of
the
you
know,
roughly
thousand
in
Florida
or
about
this
size
or
between
250
and
maybe
400
units
kind
of
on
what
I
can
consider
a
smaller
size,
but
that's
actually
where
it
tends
to
be
pretty
efficient,
is
on
those
smaller
sizes.
Now
the
bigger
projects
obviously
have
a
lot
more
money
involved
and
those
are
great
for
CDs
as
well,
and
it's
certainly
the
more
infrastructure
the
more
cost
savings.
X
But
this
is
sort
of
in
the
in
The
Sweet
Spot,
where
the
city
was
smaller
like
190,
when
it
gets
smaller,
you've
got
operations
cost
you
got
to
pay
for
it,
so
they
kind
of
look
at
that
and
say:
does
this
make
sense
or
not
and
that's
kind
of
what
that
one
Community
was
debating
But?
Ultimately,
they
kept
it
in
place,
but
this
one's
a
good
size,
CDD
I.
Guess
in
my
point
and
in
fact,
if
you
look
at
our
infrastructure
plan,
there's
over
13
million
dollars
of
infrastructure.
X
X
There
is
that
commercial
that
you
all
have
talked
about
in
the
past,
so
the
commercial,
but
the
road
connects
through
you'll,
have
a
single
maintenance
entity,
a
single
construction
entity
for
both
sites,
single
maintenance,
any
for
both
sites
and
it'll
be
a
really
efficient
way
to
deliver
your
utilities,
your
roads,
your
storm,
water
and
your
perimeter,
Hardscape,
landscape
and
I.
Think
there's
some
turn
lanes
and
whatnot
for
for
off-sites.
Todd
would
know
more
about
that.
So
that's
it.
If
you
look
at
our
Improvement
plan,
you
can
see
it's
it's
really.
X
What
I
just
described
there
again,
it's
13
and
a
quarter
million
dollars
of
infrastructure,
Todd
I,
don't
know
if
the
number's
gone
up
since
then,
but
but
that's
that's
roughly
the
estimate
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
and
again,
the
developer
tends
to
put
in
some
of
that
at
their
own
dime
and
then
part
of
it
is
done
through
this
special
assessment
and
the
bond
loan
that
we
talked
about.
So
let's
talk
about
some
of
the
advantages
and
we've
alluded
to
them
a
little
bit
already
as
I
see
it.
X
There's
three
buckets:
you've
got
your
cost
savings.
You've
got
your
operation
and
maintenance
benefits
and
then
there's
also
some
default
protection.
On
the
cost
savings
side.
The
CD
can
go
out
and
issue
taxes
and
bonds.
Those
are
issued
over
a
30-year
period.
They
they're
the
same
types
of
bonds
that
you
all
would
would
issue
so
they're
on
a
taxim
basis.
X
The
rates
tend
to
be
better
than
what
you
get
in
a
private
loan,
and
so
that
makes
everything
cost
less
and
it
doesn't
just
Cost
Less
on
the
front
end
when
the
residents
come
back
later
and
they
want
to
refurbish
their
stormwater
ponds
or
resurface,
their
roads
or
whatever
project
they
want
to
do,
building
humidity,
they
can
access
that
same
taxes
and
bond
market
and
save
themselves.
Some
money
then
as
well.
So
that's
the
the
financial
side
of
it
in
in
terms
of
the
operation
and
maintenance
side.
X
I've
got
a
chart
there.
It
is
in
terms
of
the
operation,
maintenance,
side,
they're,
really
powerful
entity
if
you
compare
it
with
with
the
traditional
HOA
structure,
and
the
reason
is
one
of
the
biggest
reasons.
X
Obviously,
they've
got
the
ability
to
take
out
tax
exempt
loans,
but
on
top
of
that
they
can
collect
on
the
tax
roll
which
an
HOA
can't
do,
and
so
during
the
Great
Recession,
we
saw
a
lot
of
HOAs
coming
out
and
asking
cities
and
counties
to
take
over
their
Roads
Take
Over
the
stormwater
ponds,
because
they
they
really
struggled
with
being
you
know,
they'd
have
to
put
liens
on
individual
homes
foreclose
those
out.
It
was
a
real
pain.
X
They
couldn't
just
go
on
the
tax
roll
and
get
their
money
collected
that
way
see
to
be
much
more
powerful.
In
fact,
when
I
go
to
certain
jurisdictions,
you
know
you
go
to.
For
example,
Ocala
in
Marion
County
go
up
in
in
Jacksonville
area.
Charlotte
County
is
a
little
bit
this
way
too,
but
actually
in.
X
If
you
go
to
Marion
County,
they
require
you
on
a
larger
project,
either
to
have
a
CD
in
place
to
take
care
of
your
infrastructure
or
they're,
going
to
put
an
msbu
over
your
property,
which
is
a
special
taxing
district
operated
by
the
county,
because
they're
so
tired
of
getting
HOAs
coming
and
begging
to
have
have
have
the
county
take
care
of
their
their
stuff.
In
fact,
the
last
CDD
I
got
established
in
Marion.
X
The
item
on
the
agenda
before
mine
was
an
HOA
coming
to
ask
to
have
their
stuff
taken
care
of
by
the
by
the
county.
So
it
was.
It
was
a
really
eye-opening,
so
so
in
that
was
very
apparent
after
the
the
Great
Recession.
So
the
tax
roll
is
huge.
The
tax
exempt
savings
is
huge.
X
Cities
have
sovereign
immunity
protection,
so
they're
not
going
to
get
they're
not
going
to
be
subject
to
you
know
frivolous
lawsuits
as
much
as
h-ways.
The
turnover
clock
is
different,
as
I
mentioned,
hoa's
tend
to
wait
until
the
very
end,
and
then
the
residents
immediately
sort
of
populate
the
board
CDs
transition
differently.
X
They
have
elections
every
two
years.
It's
a
five-member.
Board
of
Supervisors
once
you've
turned
over
or
sold
50
of
the
property.
You
know
it's
a
it's
a
landowner-based
election
in
the
first
couple
years,
first,
every
the
second
year
and
fourth
year,
and
so
landowners
can
actually
come
and
populate
those
seats.
A
year.
Six,
if
you
haven't
turned
over
your
seats
to
the
Landers
election,
you're
required
to
start
putting
residents
on
there.
X
If
you
have
over
250
folks
living
there,
and
at
that
point
you
put
two
of
the
five
members
on
the
board,
become
residents
and
and
it's
not
a
majority
control,
but
it
helps
the
developer
work
with
the
residents
and
make
that
transition
a
little
smoother,
so
they
kind
of
train
them
up,
and
then
the
majority
control
comes
in
in
year,
eight,
but
typically
like
on
a
project
like
this
they're
going
to
turn
over
much
earlier
year,
two
year,
four
somewhere
in
that
time
frame,
there's
also
FEMA
funding,
HOAs,
typically
can't
get
FEMA
funding.
X
Cds
are
very
much
involved
in
the
Statewide
Mutual
Aid
programs.
They
can
apply
for
FEMA
funding.
We've
got
some
who
are
applying
right
now
for
Hurricane
that
you
know
Ian.
For
example,
it
was
mentioned
earlier:
we've
got
some
cities
like
Westport
and
some
of
the
others
that
are
applying
for
FEMA
funding.
Right
now
on
those
we
had,
one
CDD
actually
opened
up
its
its
doors
during
Ian
and
served
as
a
rescue,
shelter
right,
so
people
could
come
and
stay
in
their
amenity
as
part
of
their
Statewide
Mutual
Aid
obligation.
X
So
it's
it's
really
great.
From
that
perspective,
and,
of
course,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
just
kind
of
keep
your
property
values.
Higher
I
was
in
Homestead,
getting
a
CD
established
back
in
October
and
some
of
the
city
council
members
had
questions
about
well,
how's
this
you
know
work
and
do
we
really
want
to
do
this
and
the
two
people
who
were
the
biggest
Advocates
and
you
go
back
and
watch
the
video
of
the
CD
were
sitting
on
the
city
council.
X
They
lived
in
CDs
and
they
were
both
big
Advocates
and
they
said
at
the
end
of
the
day.
It
helps
us
maintain
our
property
values.
It's
just
a
better
way
to
take
care
of
our
property
and
maintain
that
that
property
value.
So
that's
that's
the
last
point.
On
that
slide,
there's
also
some
default
protection.
You
know
some
people
ask
what
happens
if
there's
a
default
on
the
CD.
X
The
bottom
line
is,
you
can
have
a
project
default,
whether
it's
a
CD
or
an
HOA
project.
You
know
if
the
economy
turns
and
things
are
not
going
well,
you
can
have
that
project
default
with
an
HOA
or
an
HOA
with
a
mortgage
loan,
the
Project's
just
going
to
sit
there.
We
saw
it
during
the
Great
Recession,
they
could
sit
around
for
years
and
years.
The
mortgage
lender
doesn't
always
do
much
with
it.
They
don't
have
a
huge
incentive
to
do
it.
The
CDD,
on
the
other
hand,
has
two
things
going
for
it.
X
First
of
all,
they've
got
a
first
priority
assessment
lien
for
the
bonds,
if
they've
issued
bonds,
so
they
can
close
much
faster
than
their
mortgage
foreclosure
right.
They
can
go
through
that
foreclosure.
Most
of
the
Cities
got
through
foreclosure
in
six
to
12
months
and
got
through
their
mortgage
foreclosure.
If
there
was
a
default-
and
it
was
only
a
small
percentage,
but
there
were
projects
that
defaulted,
both
HOA
and
CDD,
so
they
get
back
into
productive
use
more
quickly.
They
also
have
money
set
aside.
X
What's
called
a
reserve
account
set
aside
for
for
use
by
the
bondholders,
they
can
either
pay
themselves
with
that
money,
but
more
typically,
what
happened
during
the
default
scenarios
is
the
city
would
access
that
money
use
it
to
water,
their
Landscaping
use
it
to
keep
their
amenity
Center
open,
use
it
to
pay
for
foreclosure
fees
and
get
through
that
foreclosure
process,
and
so
we,
what
we
saw
is
that
during
the
Great
Recession,
the
CD's
actually
fared
better
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
Florida
legislature
created
the
CDD
program.
X
X
The
city
is
going
to
retain
all
this
Powers,
so
this
the
CDD
essentially
acts
as
the
public
developer
of
the
public
improvements,
but
they
still
have
to
come
to
you
guys
for
zoning
and
permitting
you
know
we're
not
going
to
run
our
own
police
force.
It's
just
an
operation.
It's
like
a
it's,
it's
an
HOA
that
can
do
some
more
things,
but
it's
not
going
to
take
over
the
city's
functions
or
Powers.
X
You
all
will
still
be
able
to
permit
the
project
oversee
the
development,
just
like
you
normally
would,
but
the
city
just
acts
as
the
the
public
developer
and
and
it's
an
operation
maintenance
entity,
and
you
can
see
the
the
statutory
text
here
right
out
of
190
016.
It
says
a
default
on
the
bonds
or
obligations
of
a
CDD
shall
not
constitute
a
debt
or
obligation
of
a
local
government
or
the
state.
X
So
it's
never
going
to
be
your
obligation
just
like
an
HOA
would
never
be
your
obligation
same
thing
with
CDD
and
there's
no
administrative
costs
to
the
city.
Cities.
Don't
impact
your
city,
Village
calf,
so
you
know
it
doesn't
show
up
in
your
financial
statements.
It's
not
a
dependent
structure;
it's
it
operates
independently.
Just
like
an
HOA
I
think
we've
talked
about
a
lot
of
the
benefits
benefits
of
residents.
X
We
talked
about
those
transparency,
you
know
there's
so
many
disclosure
requirements
in
the
legislature
a
couple
years
ago
updated
the
disclosure
requirements,
so
we've
got
to
have
Public
Notices
for
all
of
our
our
meetings.
We've
got
to
have
a
public
website
where
those
are
advertised.
We
also
have
mailed
and
published
notices
for
our
annual
budget
hearings.
Where
we're
going
to
raise
assessments.
There's
a
mailing
that
goes
out
to
everybody.
X
There's
recordable
documents,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
disclosure
about
CDs
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
don't
have
to
understand
all
the
different
things
we
talked
about
to
know
when
you're
buying
into
CD
whether
it's
a
good
deal
or
not.
You
know
most
of
these
bells
and
whistles
so
to
speak
are
an
advantage,
but
you
don't
have
to
understand
it
all
what
you,
what
most
people
do
when
they
go
to
buy
a
home?
Is
they
look
at
the
community?
X
They
look
at
the
home
and
they
look
at
their
closing
statements
say
how
much
am
I
paying
for
this
right
and
CDD
communities.
Typically,
look
better
they've
got
more
infrastructure
in
their
Hardscape
looks
better.
Their
entry
feature
looks
better.
Their
mini
package
looks
better
because
there's
more
money
in
the
deal
and
the
cost
is
really
competitive
because
they
can
keep
those
costs
down
because
there's
more
money
to
go
around
so
when
people
buy
in
they
look
at
the
community,
look
at
the
house
and
they
look
at
their
closing
statement.
X
If
the
money
makes
sense
they're
going
to
buy
that
house,
if
not
they're
not
and
there's
no
disadvantage
to
the
contrary,
they
get
all
the
advantages
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
in
terms
of
having
a
better
a
better
maintenance
and
operation
entity.
So
that's
that's
kind
of
the
explanation
on
the
CD
transparency
I
promised
David.
We
would
go
down
through
the
criteria
and,
at
this
point,
I
would
incorporate
again
our
comments
and
and
pre-file
testimony
from
Mr
Rebel
and
Mr.
X
Y
Z
Good
morning,
Craig
rathell
Rafael
Hunter
associates
also
had
duly
sworn
in.
My
pre-filed
testimony
as
well
will
serve
as
under
testimony
as
well
or
under
oath
as
well.
Thank
you.
X
Yeah
and
so
just
speaking
to
the
six
elements
you
can
see
up
here,
most
of
them
are
really
straightforward.
Just
as
Mr
Levine
said,
petition
statements
are
true
and
correct.
We
have,
and
the
only
evidence
that
you
have
on
record
is
that
it
is
true
and
correct.
Based
on
the
testimony
from
my
Witnesses
here
is
the
city
consistent
with
your
comp
plan?
Mr
Rebel's
testimony
is
that
it
is
he
compared
the
comp
plan,
local
and
State,
against
the
petition,
and
it's
all
consistent.
X
Is
it
developable
as
a
functional
interrelated,
Community
Based
on
size,
compactness
and
contiguity
Mr
rathell's.
Testimony
says
that
it
is,
and
if
you
look
at
the
project
you
know
both
of
those
pieces
are
connected
by
that
Center
roadway.
It
does
have
a
little
commercial
space
in
there,
but
the
bottom
line
is
it
wouldn't
make
any
sense
to
have
two
CDs
right,
that's
just
inefficient
and
they
are
connected
and
they'll
be
constructed
by
the
same
entity
and
maintained
by
the
same
entity.
So
that
criteria
is
met
as
well.
X
The
city
facilities
will
be
compatible
with
existing
community
services
and
Phillies.
That's
absolutely
the
case.
Mr
reibold's
testimony
goes
to
that
and
again,
that's
that's
all
handled
through
your
permitting
process.
Anyway,
I
mean
you
all
wouldn't
approved
something
it's
not
going
to
hook
in
with
your
you
know,
utilities
and
whatnot
roads
is
the
CD
a
minimal
to
special
district
government.
Again,
the
testimony
you
have
on
record
is
only
that
it
is
amenable
and
the
landowner
has
consented
to
it.
So
there's
no
concern
there.
X
Is
it
the
best
alternative
again
the
the
witness
testimony
speaks
to
that
in
great
detail,
and
most
of
my
presentation
is
about
that.
But
if
you
compare
it
with
traditional
HOA
for
a
project
like
this,
the
CD
is
a
no-brainer.
It
absolutely
is
a
better
entity
can
can
deliver
the
infrastructure
at
less
cost
and
is
a
much
more
powerful
operation
maintenance
center,
and
then
it
has
the
default
advantages
that
we
spoke
of.
So
for
all
those
reasons,
we
believe
that
we've
met
the
criteria.
We
welcome
any
questions
and
comments.
You
have.
X
X
G
Well,
okay,
I
could
I,
guess
I
could
ask
this
as
a
question
or
keep
it
as
a
discussion
item
later.
I'll
ask
it
as
a
question
now
so
I
I'm
completely
familiar
with
the
CDD
and
I
think
it
is
absolutely
the
best
thing
that
we
can
do
for
the
city.
However,
it
does
create
a
de
facto
taxing,
Authority
and
I
think
that
I
and
we
have
a
fiduciary
responsibility
to
vet
the
Board
of
Supervisors
and
in
the
package
that
I
was
provided.
There
were
no
resumes.
There
were
no
background
checks.
G
There
were
no
statements
of
why
each
individual
why
they
should
be
on
the
board
and
why
they
should
be
or
and
what
their
relationship
is
to
the
project.
So
while
I'm
completely
supportive
of
it
and
I
would
be
a
favorable
vote
for
it
without
those
three
things,
you
won't
get
a
favorable
vote
for
me
today.
Unfortunately,
so
we
could
provide
that
in
the
future.
I
think
that's
it's
just
our
fiduciary
responsibility,
because
it
is
a
taxing,
Authority
and
I.
G
Think
the
our
responsibility
to
the
residences
that
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
and
know
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
assessing
the
taxes,
even
though
I
understand
initially
after
the
initial
period,
that
that
goes
to
a
vote
of
the
residents
and
in
that
case
I'm.
Fine
with
all
that.
But
it's
that
initial
setup
period
that
could
last
for
some
period
of
time.
V
Yeah
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
a
a
process.
That's
going
to
require
two
public
hearings
and
at
the
end
of
today,
the
city
council
will
have
the
ability
to
move
that
the
project
be
approved
for
a
second
reading
or
not,
but
if
it
is
approved
for
a
second
reading,
you'll
have
the
opportunity
to
come
back
and
present
the
information
that
council
member
has
asked
for
so
I
just
want
to.
Let
you
know
that
that
you'll
have
that
opportunity
to
supplement
the
record.
No.
X
It
thank
you
all
so
much
and
if
we
can
get
your
support
through
today,
we
can
certainly
provide
that
information.
It's
not.
It
wasn't
requested
of
us
and
isn't
in
the
statute,
so
I
didn't
anticipate
so
I'm
glad
to
get
the
feedback.
We're
happy
to
provide.
The
resumes.
I
would
also
say
that
the
folks
who
are
listed
in
the
petition
and
will
be
serving
on
the
board
in
the
early
years
they
serve
on
numerous
cities
around
Florida
and
we'll
get
all
that
information
for.
G
X
It's
it's
prudent,
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
and
it's
a
good
point.
G
So
understanding
that
then
I
would
be
supportive
of
it
today,
with
the
understanding
that
you
will
come
back
to
that
before
the
second
reading,
with
those
three
things.
Yes,
sir,
looking
for
resumes
looking
for
background
checks
and
I'm
looking
for
a
statement
for
each
individual,
why
what
their
relationship
is
to
the
project
and
why
they
should
be
on
the
board?
Okay,.
G
Like
a
background
check,
like
you
know,
we
pay
you
pay
for
a
background
check.
I.
AA
G
X
X
AB
I'm
I'm
actually
very
excited
about
this
program.
I
I,
when
it
was
coming
up
and
I
wanted
to
know
more
about
it.
I
actually
went
to
some
friends
of
mine
in
the
County
government
that
they
have
no
problems
with.
They
haven't
had
any
problems
with
it,
and
so
I
asked
them
a
community
close
that
I
could
kind
of
look
at
and
they
they
mentioned.
Riverwood
and
I
have
some
friends
in
Riverwood,
so
I
called
them.
AB
I
said:
if
you
had
do
you
have
a
problem
with
and
their
answer
was
no,
they
they
really
like
it,
because
it's
done
through
a
tax
system.
It's
kind
of
easy.
The
other
thing
they
they
reminded
me
of
is
sometimes
calling
the
County.
They
have
a
pothole.
It
takes
a
while
to
get
the
pothole
fixed
where
this
it
gets
done
pretty
quickly.
So
I
think
it's
something
new
for
the
city
I'm
excited
about
it.
A
Okay,
okay,
Melissa
I
have
I
have
some
concerns
and
some
questions
and
and
I
had.
My
group
met
that
I
met
with
yesterday,
and
there
were.
There
was
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
concept
of
it,
because
we've
never
had
one
in
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
there's
a
reason
for
that.
The
city
of
Punta
Gorda
is
a
full-service
City.
We
provide
all
of
these
things
without
having
to
add
an
additional
taxing
district,
and
so
there
was
a
concern
about
that.
A
There's
also
a
concern
about
the
fact
that
the
two
pieces
of
property
are
not
contiguous
and
you
would
be
using
a
city
road
to
con
to
make
them
contiguous,
and
that
is
not
contiguous
to
me.
That
is
absolutely
not
contiguous
to
me
and
I
I
really
have
a
concern
as
council
member
koharski
alluded
to
that
you're
adding
another
taxing
district.
That,
in
my
opinion,
is
not
necessary.
A
No
there's
six,
six,
okay
right
in
front
of
me:
okay,
there
are
six
I
I'm,
just
very
concerned
that
we're
that
we're.
A
To
the
point
where
we
are
ready
to
approve
something
like
this,
let
me
is
the
board
paid
that
you're
going
to
be
appointing.
X
So
you've
raised
probably
three
different
items:
I'd
be
happy
to
address
each
of
them.
Your
first
one
in
terms
of
the
pay
supervisors
do
have
the
ability
to
get
paid
200
per
meeting.
Most
Resident
boards
will
take
that
payment.
The
developer
boards
do
not
take
the
payment;
they
never
do
because
ultimately,
they're
they're
paying
their.
You
know
they're
paying
for
the
operation
the
district
during
that
time
and
they're
not
going
to
pay
their
own
employees
the
extra
money.
X
X
So,
just
like
a
homeowners
association
is
usually
populated
by
the
developer
Representatives,
the
developer
Representatives
sit
on
the
board
in
the
early
years
as
well.
Again,
the
transition
is
much
faster
with
the
CD
and
these
particular
individuals
are
identified
by
the
developer
for
the
for
the
petition.
X
Take
a
look
here:
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
any
related
folks
on
the
board,
but
I'll
take
a
quick
look.
You
had
also
spoken
about
the
contiguity
and
also
the
double
taxi
and
I'll
briefly
address
those
and
then
come
back
to
the
the
name
issue.
If
you
will,
in
terms
of
the.
X
The
contiguity
issue,
just
like
in
a
municipal
annexation
context,
a
road
alone-
is
not
sufficient
to
sort
of
prevent
a
city
from
municipally
annexing
another
piece
of
like
Charlotte
County
into
your
city,
and
that
same
case
law
applies
to
the
district's
boundaries
as
well,
and
we
can
show
you
examples
around
Florida,
where
cities
are
bisected
by
interstates,
and
things
like
that
here
that
Entry
Road
you're
talking
about
the
city
is
going
to
fund
that
road
and
pay
for
it.
X
I
think
it's
going
to
be
turned
over
to
the
city,
but
the
city
is
actually
going
to
have
the
the
maintenance
responsibility
for
the
landscape
and
Hardscape.
That's
within
that
roadway
and
we'll
have
some
sort
of
maintenance
agreement
or
permit,
or
something
like
that,
and
the
community
will
be
able
to
decide
their
own
level
of
service
and
what
that,
what
that
road
looks
like
in
terms
of
the
landscaping
and
whatnot,
but
the
contiguity
requirement
I
mean
if
you
read
it
that
way,
you
could
divide
the
project
into
two
to
cdds.
X
If
you
will
I
think
that
doesn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
because
it's
less
efficient,
then
you've
got
two
entities
and
it's
more
efficient
to
have
one.
So
I
don't
disagree
with
you
that
you
could
sort
of
argue
it
both
ways,
but
I
think
the
better
way
to
to
argue
it
is
that
it
makes
more
sense.
You
really
are
gonna.
Have
one
construction
entity
and
you're
gonna
have
one
maintenance
entity
for
the
stormwater
system
for
the
entry
road
for
the
perimeter
landscaping,
and
so
it
makes
sense
that
it
really
is
a
functionally
interrelated
Community.
X
For
that
reason,
so
I'm
not
saying
that
you're
you're
wrong
I
think
you
can
read
it
both
ways,
but
I
think
the
better
way
to
read
it
and
the
way
most
jurisdictions
come
out
after
looking
at
that
case,
law
and
whatnot
is
that
it's
a
single
functionally
related
Community.
The
only
testimony
you
have
on
on
hand
is
that
effect
and
if
you
want
as
well
Madam
mayor
we'll
send
you
a
memo
that
we've
got
about
that
contiguity
requirement
and
the
exact
issue
you're
talking
about.
Maybe
that
helps
get
you
where
you'd
like
to
be.
X
So
I
I
think
and
Todd
can
speak
to
it
better
than
I
can
but
there's
a
there's,
your
North
part
and
your
Southern
piece
right:
Sea,
Cove
and
seagrass
and
there's
a
row
that
goes
in
between
the
two
of
them
and
on
either
side
of
that
some
commercial,
which
is
outside
the
district.
That
main
road,
though,
is
going
to
be
financed
by
the
district
and
then
turned
over
to
the
city
right.
No,
all
right
we'll
go
ahead
and
speak
to
it.
So.
Y
Y
For
the
record
toddry
with
Banks
Engineering
again,
no,
it
is
not
it's.
The
new
proposed
Entry
Road
into
the
developments
on
both
sides,
not
Indian
Springs,
that's
already
an
existing
owned
and
maintained
Road
by
I
believe
the
city
so.
Y
Y
Y
Okay,
so
it's
a
public
right-of-way
the
so
it
would
either
be
the
county
or
the
city,
but
that's
correct
if
it's
City
owned
in
that
jurisdiction,
we
were
asked
through
the
DRC
process
to
obtain
approvals
from
Charlotte
County
or
for
proposed
access
points
which
we
did
because
we
were
told
it
was
owned
by
the
county.
C
V
X
V
That's
good
and,
and
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
is,
is
we
have
much
more
experience
in
annexations,
obviously
than
cdds
and,
and
that
puts
me
personally
so
it
I
want
to
learn
something
about
this
process.
V
Sure,
with
respect
to
annexations
the
word,
Compact
and
and
and
contiguous
is
very
well
fleshed
out
by
a
number
of
Court
decisions
and
and
clearly
from
my
experience,
the
site
at
the
North
and
the
site
itself,
even
though
it's
separated
by
that
road
wouldn't
be
considered
to
be
contiguous
for
the
purposes
of
annexation,
because
not
only
is
it
separated
by
the
road,
but
there's
a
you
know:
a
considerable
amount
of
of
land
on
either
side
of
the
road
that
separates
the
two
units.
V
I'd
be
curious.
If-
and
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
there's
case
law
I
couldn't
find
anything
on
the
issue
with
respect
to
cdds
and
and
contiguousness
and
and
if
you
can
between
now
and
the
next
here
and
get
me
what
you've
got
so
I
can
understand
better
how,
under
this
statute,
the
same
word
is
treated
differently
than
Under
Armor
annexation
statute.
Well,.
X
V
V
This
is
ultimately
going
to
be
a
policy
determination
by
the
city
council,
but
I'd
like
to
know
you
know
as
part
of
this
process
what
the
law
is
on
it,
because,
if
I'm
asked
I
want
to
be
a
firm,
the
eagle
grounds
as
to
what
my
answer
is
the
in
this
situation,
the
right
of
way
of
Jones
Loop
Road,
would
not
preclude
the
two
Parcels
being
considered
as
contiguous.
Well.
X
David,
let
me
ask,
let
me
throw
this
idea
out
the
the
as
Todd
mentioned,
the
CDD
is
going
to
own
and
operate
the
connecting
road
that
goes
between,
and
so,
if
we
amended
the
legal
encryption
and
brought
it
up
to
Jones,
Loop
Jones
Loop
would
be
the
only
piece
that
would
separate
the
the
two
sides.
I.
V
Would
agree
with
you
that
if,
if
the
two
Parcels
were
expanded
so
that
they
both
abutted
the
right-of-way
of
Jones,
Loop
Road
and
the
only
thing
separating
the
two
was,
the
was
the
right-of-way
that
that
would
come
closest
to
the
to
the
state's
definition.
The
statutory
definition
of
of
contiguousness
and
I'm,
not
I
mean
your
art,
your
better.
Your
argument
is
that
the
mere
fact
that
they're
separated
in
that
way
doesn't
prevent
them
from
functioning
as
an
interrelated.
That's
right,
but
I
I,
just
wanted
to.
V
You
know,
make
sure
that
That's
the
basis
of
your
determination
that
they're
contiguous
not
that
it's
similar
to
the
way
a
state
the
annexation
would
be
considered
contiguous,
simply
because
it's
separated
by
a
road
right
away.
That's
not
the
situation!
We
have
here
right.
L
X
L
A
Yeah
I'm
having
a
real
problem
with
the
contiguous
part
of
this
and
and
I
and
I
by
the
way,
I,
don't
see
anything
on
these
pictures.
This
was
further
to
my
question
of
earlier
I.
Don't
see
anything
on
this
picture
that
on
your
site,
plan
that
shows
where
the
road's
going
to
be
the
only
seat,
Road
I
see,
is
Indian
Springs
Cemetery,
which
is
why
I
asked
the
question.
I
asked.
X
Yeah,
we
can
certainly
amend
it
to
show
that,
but
again.
X
Y
For
the
record,
toddry
wolfbanks
engineering,
yes,
the
entrance,
Road
and
I-
don't
know
if
I
can
get
it
here.
We
go
so
there's
an
entrance
road
that
is,
that
will
come
down
to
Jones
Loop
from
this
site
and
up
from
to
Jones
Loop
on
that
site.
So
there's
two
connector:
it's
a
road.
It
will
be
built
inside
of
an
easement
currently
as
proposed
that
will
be
dedicated
to
the
CDD
and
will
be
a
CDD
owned
road.
Y
So
that's
when
we
do
all
these
typical
location
maps,
we
don't
show
site
plans,
that's
not
usually
part
of
the
formation
process,
but
we
can
certainly
provide
an
exhibit
next
time.
That
we'll
add
some
clarification
to
that
for.
G
You
clarify-
and
this
may
be
more
for
you-
David
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
the
word
contiguous
I
mean
how
important
is
physical
contiguousness
in
this
whole
thing,
because
I
get
I
get
the
part
about
the
two
entities
being
I
mean
you
could
do
two
separate
entities
and
that's
just
not
as
efficient
it
you're
going
to
be
under
one
maintenance,
one
developer.
So
how
important
is
it
to
be
physically
contiguous?
So.
V
From
my
perspective,
from
my
perspective,
which
is
legal,
not
policy,
it's
important
only
with
respect
to
the
chances.
Somebody
would
contest
the
city's
action
as
being
inconsistent
with
the
requirements
of
the
statute,
because
there's
clearly
a
requirement
for
your
consideration
in
the
statute
that
the
proposed
district
is
sufficiently
Compact
and
sufficiently
contiguous.
So
so,
and
I
recognize
that
there,
while
there's
a
lot
of
case
law
as
it
relates
to
annexation
and
contiguousness
for
annexation
purposes.
V
The
it
may
not
be
legally
appropriate
to
use
that
case
law
as
it
relates
to
cdds
and
in
the
absence
of
case
law,
you
know
I'm
at
some
loss,
but
nevertheless
so
here's
here's
what
I'm
going
to
ask
and
if
you,
if
it's
not
already
in
your
testimony,
I,
would
like
to
hear
more
evidence
as
it
relates
to
to
the
fact
that
the
even
with
the
separation
shown
it's
it's
sufficiently
contiguous
to
be
developable
as
one
functional
interrelated
Community,
because
that's
really
the
key
part
of
the
statue.
Yeah.
X
And
Mr
Othello's
testimony
has
that
specifically
in
there
I
think
the
other
thing,
I
would
add,
is
I.
Think
it's
the
type
of
thing
you
can
argue
both
ways
based
on
the
examples
around
Florida
and
also
our
testimony
today
about
the
the
roadway
connection.
I
think.
The
the
thing
that
I
would
also
add
is,
if
you're
concerned
about
the
the
validity
of
the
ordinance
and
the
validity
of
Your
Action.
The
first
thing
that
happens
after
acidity
is
established.
Is
we
go
to
Circuit
Court
we
get
established?
X
We
have
our
first
board
meeting,
we
authorize
staff
to
file
what's
called
a
validation
action
or
chapter
75
of
the
floor
statutes
and
David
can
tell
you
this
as
well.
We
go
to
court
and
we
ask
the
court
to
bless
our
establishment
and,
and
once
that's
blessed,
that's
is
when
we
can
actually
issue
bonds.
We
can't
issue
bonds
before
then.
We
can't
do
really
anything
before
then,
but
that
Court
will
make
that
determination
and
any
judgment
under
chapter
75
is
forever
conclusive.
You
can
read
the
language
in
chapter
75.
X
forever,
conclusive
as
to
all
the
matters
adjudicated,
including
the
establishment.
So
you
won't
ever
have
a
challenge
to
the
ordinance
after
that
initial
proceeding
and
we'll
make
the
same
argument
to
the
court
about
it
being
contiguous
based
on
the
numerous
examples
around
Florida
where
cities
are
separated
by
inter
interstates.
Not
just
you
know
a
single
road
so.
X
Z
Craig
Rafael
again
Rafael
Hunter
Associates
for
the
record.
We
do
have
districts
really
throughout
the
state
that
have
similar
issues
like
Jared's
actually
described.
We
have
one
where
literally
have
an
interstate
running
down
and
there's
different
quadrants
and
separated
by
the
interstate.
But
what
we
really
you
know
from
our
perspective
and
and
the
way
we
interpret
the
statute
is
you're.
Z
Looking
at
it
and
saying,
can
this
function
and
operate
together
and
in
really
doing
it
together
is
more
efficient
and,
frankly,
it'll
be
less
costly
to
the
Future
homeowners
that,
if
we're
able
to
operate
this
as
one
district
with
the
two
Parcels
linked
and
and
the
reasoning
for
that,
of
course,
is
the
more
units
you
have.
The
cost
of
operating.
One
of
these
districts
is
pretty
much
the
same,
whether
it's
you
know
100
c
units
in
it,
or
in
this
case
you
know
300
and
368
units.
Z
There's
that
administrative
aspect
and
then
also
from
the
really
the
pure
construction
perspective
as
well,
that
the
district
be
able
to
administer
the
construction
program
being
able
to
run
it
through
the
same
site
contractor
and
do
this
and
engage
them
to
do
that
same
type
of
work,
putting
the
infrastructure
in
the
ground
so
we're
looking
at
it.
We're
I'm,
not
an
attorney
so
I'm.
Looking
at
from
a
business
and
I
heard
public
comment
at
the
beginning,
you
all
looking
things
from
a
business
perspective
from
a
business
operational
perspective.
Z
It
makes
this
more
efficient
and
less
costly
to
your
future
homeowners
and
that's
so
we
that's
how
we
provide
in
our
testimony
that
it
is,
you
know,
functionally
integrated
and
operates
as
a
as
a
you
know,
really
integrated
type
infrastructure
program.
We're
looking
at
it
from
all
those
different
perspectives
as
to
why
this
would
make
the
most
sense
so.
V
So
here's
here's
where
I'm
coming
from
and
again
I'd
like
you
to
build
the
record
so
that
the
City
council's
action
is
clearly
defensible
and
so
in
the
in
the
at
in
the
annexation
case
law.
This
annexation
situation,
which
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
reason
for
the
requirement
for
contiguousness,
is
so
that
the
people
that
live
on
the
North
side
and
the
people
that
live
on
the
South
Side
will
will
will
feel
like
it's
one
community.
V
Your
explanation
so
far
on
efficiencies
are
primarily
from
a
standpoint
of
ultimately
the
developer
and
ultimately
who's
responsible
for
taking
care
of
the
amenities
and
Roads
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
But
but
I'd
I'd
like
if
you
can,
in
some
fashion
address
that
there
would
be
a
Oneness
of
the
community
of
the
residents
that
live
in
those
two
sites.
The
case
law
that
talks
about
communities
that
are
bisected
by
a
road
or
bisected
by
a
water
body
where
the
courts
say
that's
not
sufficient
to
take
it
out
of
being
sufficiently
contiguous.
V
The
testimony
or
the
the
facts
in
those
cases
generally
are
that
they're
close
enough
in
proximity.
The
people
are
going
to
be
communicate,
traveling
back
and
forth
to
use
each
other's
facilities.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
that,
if
you
can
present
in
your
argument
as
to
why
that
physical
separation,
which
is
way
more
than
just
the
right-of-way
of
John's
Loop
Road
Is
Not,
Great
enough
to
cause
the
two
communities
to
be
separate.
X
Well
and
I
think
you
have
to
go
back
to
the
definition
too.
That's
in
a
statute
functionally
interrelated
right,
that's
what
it
says
and
from
a
CD's
perspective
you
know
we're
doing
stormwater
we're
doing
the
road,
we're
doing
utilities,
we're
doing
primer,
Hardscape
landscape,
and
so
those
improvements
are
functionally
related
for
that
Community
they're,
all
going
to
be
constructed
by
the
same
site,
work
contractor
they're
all
going
to
be
maintained
by
the
same.
You
know
entity
right
that
creates
the
efficiencies
and
functionally
they're
interrelated.
V
Don't
know
for
whatever
it's
for
whatever
it's
worth.
We
don't
need
to
debate
it
I'm,
just
I'm,
coming
to
you
from
a
different
perspective,
I
understand
when
you
say
functionality
right,
you're,
talking
about
infrastructure
I'm,
also
looking
at
at
the
use
of
the
word
functionally
in
a
related
meaning
that
they're
not
actually
contiguous
but
they're,
but
for
all
intents
and
purposes,
they're
contiguous
enough
that
that
the
community
behaves
as
a
whole,
community
and
I.
Think
that
would
help
if
you
could
present
some
sort
of
argument
based
on
the
other
communities
that
you
talk
about.
V
Where
there's
where
not
withstanding
the
fact
that
they're
separated
they
all
have
a
sense
of
one
Community
I
mean
we've
got
I
I
won't
I'm
not
going
to
use
that
example.
But
you
know
we
do
have
separate
communities
in
Punta
Gorda,
but
they're.
All
one
Community
I'm,
not
sure
that
there's
enough
testimony
yet
to
satisfy
at
least
from
a
legal
perspective
that
you
that
were
functionally
one
unit
for
I.
X
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
it
it.
If
you
look
at
the
other
CDA
communities
around
Florida,
many
of
them
are
built
in
pods,
and
so
you
might
have
a
polti
community
within
one
four-star
Community
within
one.
You
might
have.
You
know
David
Weekley
Homes
with
it
all
within
the
same
CDD,
but
they
actually
have
their
own.
Each
of
them
have
their
own
amenities.
Each
of
them
have
their
own.
X
You
know,
I,
don't
know
you
know
July
4th
parties
or
whatever
it
is,
but
they're
all
within
the
same
umbrella
with
respect
to
the
CD
infrastructure,
so
I
think
you're,
taking
the
definition
a
little
bit
to
like
you're
you're,
taking
it
beyond
what
the
legislature
intended.
What
the
CDD
does
is.
It
delivers
public
infrastructure
and
from
that
standpoint,
you're
looking
at,
is
it
functionally
related
for
purposes
of
the
CDD
right
for
purposes
of
the
infrastructure?
And
that
is
absolutely
the
case.
It's
constructed
by
the
same
entity.
X
It's
going
to
be
maintained
by
the
same
entity
and
that's
as
far
as
it
really
needs
to
go
from
that
functional
interrelated
definition.
If
you're
taking
it
further
to
say
that
they're
all
going
to
get
together
and
have
you
know,
July
4th
celebrations,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
case
or
not,
but
that's
not
how
CDs
operate
around
Florida
they're
they're
developed
in
phases
with
with
different
landowners.
X
It's
it's
it's
about
the
delivery
of
the
infrastructure
being
functionally
interrelated,
and
that's
exactly
what's
going
on
up
here
and
the
fact
that
it's
only
separated
by
some.
You
know
commercial
space
that
you
know,
I,
don't
I,
don't
think!
That's
that's
enough
to
to.
You
know
defeat
that
definition
go
ahead.
Tell.
X
A
Any
further
when
we
first
had
this
discussion
item
on
the
agenda
a
few
months
ago,
when
the
northern
section
was
being
brought
before
City
Council,
it
was
stated
that
the
main
entrance
was
going
to
be
on
Taylor
Road
and
that
the
secondary
entrance
was
Indian.
Spring
Cemetery,
now
you're
saying
there's
going
to
be
a
third
entrance,
so
I'm
very
confused
about
that.
That
was
that
was
the
discussion.
When
we
had,
we
had
the
the
development
request
for
what
is
it
C
Cove?
A
The
original
discussion
that
we
had
at
that
time
was
that
the
main
entrance
was
going
to
be
on
Taylor
Road.
Is
that
is
that
or
not?
Is
that
not
correct.
Y
For
the
record
Todd
Rebel,
with
Banks
Engineering,
there
are
two
proposed
entrances.
The
there
was
a
discussion
with
City
staff
of
wanting
the
main
entrance
to
be
on
Indian
Springs,
not
Taylor,
Road
and
having
Taylor
Road
being
a
secondary,
but
we've
always
proposed
to
have
tailroad
and
the
roadway
coming
down
to
Jones.
Loop
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
say
which
one
is
a
main
entrance.
I
can't
tell
people
how
to
enter
an
exit,
but
both
will
be
CDD
entrants
up
to
the
gates.
Y
A
Y
A
I
Yeah,
going
back
to
the
conversation
with
Mr,
Levin
I.
Think
again
that
the
good
news
is
we
have
a
second
hearing
and
I
think
that
it
would
be
advantageous
to
bring
in
the
the
case
law
that
you
were
referring
to
the
definitive
examples.
Put
that
in
a
a
project
that
say
here's
an
example
of
this
community,
and
this
is
why
that
this
works
and
again,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
again,
we
are
kind
of
we're
talking
about
the
same
thing.
I
But
not
you
know
from
your
perspective,
you're
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
have
those
sites
be
under
one
CDD
but
from
a
city
perspective.
We're
also
making
sure
legally
that
we're
dotting
our
eyes
when
it
comes
to
the
continuous
contiguous
part.
So
I
can
see
both
sides
but
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
very
advantageous
to
bring
that
information
into
us.
So
we
can
kind
of
have
some
reference.
AA
AA
L
I'll
just
mention,
for
example,
we
have
a
couple
contiguous
communities.
That
may
be
the
example
you
didn't
want
to
use
that
we
have
twin
Isles
golf
course:
they're
sufficiently
contiguous
to
be
functionally
interrelated
but
sufficiently
contiguous
to
be
functionally
Innovative
interrelated.
So
it's
both
parts
of
that
that
we
still
have
to
to
look
at
that
they're
able
to
use
each
other's
sufficiently
contiguous
to
be
functionally
interrelated.
So
that
and
then
the
two
names
that
were
requested
were
Deborah
Thomas
and
Landon
Thomas.
That
was
the.
X
You
good
go
ahead.
I
I
would
also
offer
miss
Hannah's
testimony
about
the
the
access
points.
So
I
don't
know.
If
you
wanted
to
speak
to
that
all.
W
Right,
Lisa,
Hannon
zoning
official
had
been
sworn
and
yes
as
part
of
Mr
Ruble
was
absolutely
correct.
Staff
did
request
a
change
from
Taylor
Road
to
Indian
Springs
Road
for
this
plan
development
for
seacove.
During
the
course
of
discussion
with
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
staff
removed
that
recommendation
as
part
of
the
conditions,
and
we
said
an
entrance
off
of
Taylor
Road
and
they
all
already
had
and
continued
to
have
that
entrance
off
of
Jones
Loop.
W
V
A
V
Second,
okay,
all
right,
so
we're
we'll
move.
The
appropriate
motion
would
be
moved
to
approve
the
project
for
a
second
public
hearing
and-
and
we
have
a
scheduled
date
for
that
second
public
hearing.
D
AB
V
Well,
there
won't
need
for
any
conditions.
They're,
you
know
the
because
there's
a
second
public
hearing,
the
record
is
still
open
and
so
they'll
have
the
opportunity
to
supplement
the
record
with
the
information
that
Council
and
City
attorney
had
requested.
So
so
again,
it's
it's
it's
if,
if
you
were
so
inclined
approve
the
petition
for
a
second
greeting,
and
that
would
be
the
appropriate
motion.
A
A
Yes,
a
discussion.
Can
okay
yeah
I'm
completely
baffled
here?
Okay,
so
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
AA
X
A
You,
okay,
let's
take
a
10
minute
break.
A
L
A
V
L
F
A
AD
Good
morning,
Anaheim
procurement
for
the
record,
the
order
the
contract
will
restore
fiber
connectivity
to
our
Cooper
Street
campus,
which
was
damaged
during
Hurricane
Ian.
It
will
also
place
the
Cooper
Street
campus
public.
Excuse
me,
Public
Safety
and
City
Hall
campus
buildings
onto
a
mesh
Network.
This
will
protect
our
network
from
single
point
of
failures
in
the
future.
It
will
also
provide
direct
connection
to
our
government
cloud
services,
which
will
improve
data,
big
backup
and
Recovery
in
the
event
of
a
disaster.
AD
This
will
also
connect
All,
City
facilities
to
our
data
center
and
the
City
Hall
NX.
The
quote
from
crown
castle,
will
be
based
on
the
master
service
agreement,
which
was
executed
in
September
of
2016..
The
term
of
the
quote
is
60
months,
and
the
cost
of
service
per
year
is
61
800,
with
a
total
cost
over
five
years
of
309
000.
lead
time
for
the
installation
is
approximately
four
months.
AD
The
monthly
fee
will
begin
at
the
end
of
installation,
which
will
be
at
the
end
of
this
fiscal
year
or
possibly
the
beginning
of
next
fiscal
year
per
the
procurement
policy.
Communications
is
an
exempt
service
from
the
procurement
policy,
which
is
reserved
for
city
council
approval,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
these
services
to
crown
castle
for
the
wide
area
network
services
to
our
city
facilities.
A
AD
AD
L
Further
that
just
a
minute,
basically,
the
61
is
five
grand
a
month,
so
the
10
000
that's
listed
as
this
year.
If
we
have
it
in
August
and
September,
that's
where
the
money
would
come
from
the
IP
budget
for
the
remainder
of
this
fiscal
year,
then
we
have
the
61
000,
which
of
course
this
not
only
provides
us
the
connectivity.
We
need
back
out
to
campuses
like
our
Cooper
Street,
Public,
Works
and
utilities,
but
it
also
gives
us
mesh
capability
that
enhances
our
connectivity
and
our
redundancy
even
back
to
our
Public
Safety
Center.
A
L
Just
met
your
dad
something
about
I.T.
What
we're
talking
about
go
ahead,
we're
under
the
item
of
Information
Technology.
We
received
email
last
night
at
about
9
30.,
so
it's
very
recent
from
a
gentleman
named
Ron
DeSantis.
L
Anyone
know
him
and
basically
what
it
did
is
award
the
Grant
application
that
Council
had
discussed
and
approved
us
for
submitting
for
ite
Services,
which
would
be
a
network
evaluation
incident
response,
assistance,
technical
assistance
and
support,
and
some
software
that
the
state
would
buy
and
provide
the
reason
I
bring
that
up
under
ID
is
because
the
Grant
agreement
needs
to
be
executed
by
May.
31St
I
wanted
to
make
Council
aware
of
it
to
make
sure
there
was
no
issue
with
us
executing
it.
L
D
L
Positive
thing,
because
that's
you
know:
ID
it's
hard
to
get
grants
for
that
service
and
this
one
through
the
state
that
gives
us
a
lot
of
support
that
we
can
certainly
use
for
not
any
software,
but
also
management
of
our
network-based
assets.
How.
AA
L
It
depends
on
what
they
find
and
what
software
they
provide
us
I
think
there's
no
specific
Divine
demand,
because
a
lot
of
it's
support
from
the
state
also.
A
AE
Good
morning
my
name
is
Trisha
Lapointe
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center,
we're
here
today
to
ask
for
a
two-year
extension
to
our
current
lease
that
ends
on
April
15th
2024..
We've
made
several
intentional
moves
in
Staffing
and
on
our
board
and
have
a
strategic
plan
for
raising
the
additional
funds
needed
to
complete
the
project
in
this
time
frame.
We
have
excuse
me,
we
plan
to
break
ground
no
later
than
the
end
of
this
year,
but
as
soon
as
our
Swift
Mud
permit
is
approved.
Thank
you.
AE
L
The
lease,
of
course,
the
jet
in
front
of
you
in
the
email
that
was
provided
all
Council
was
initially
April.
15
2023
had
the
conditions
that
were
completed.
This
extension
is
in
addition
to
that,
so
that
Peace
River
Wildlife
can
continue
with
the
project.
There's
two
things:
one:
the
requirement
of
completion
of
the
project
that
it
specified,
for
example,
right
now.
L
What
happens
if
Beach
River
Wildlife
Center
was
a
million
and
a
half
into
the
project
and
the
Project's
four
million,
and
it's
partially
constructed
and
they're
ongoing,
but
the
agreement
says
has
to
be
complete
by
now.
You
know
what
happens.
Does
the
project
stop
because
you're
halfway
through
construction?
Does
it
continue
in
an
extend
when
it
says
completed
in
Co?
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
ambiguity
there
that
we
might
want
to
tighten
up,
because
if
you
started
a
project
and
you're
in
the
middle
of
it,
we
don't
want
it
to
come
to
a
screeching.
L
AA
L
It
doesn't
specifically
reference
that
there's
any
concept,
the
agreement,
the
way
it's
written
could
really
be.
You
got
to
change
order
or
a
certificate
of
completion,
so
yeah
not
change
order,
a
certificate
of
occupancy
for
a
big
tent
that
has
a
bird
in
it.
You
know
being
facetious,
but
it
doesn't
say
that
you
have
a
concept
at
all
and
what
that
concept
will
look
like
or
what
the
city
could
expect.
L
So
those
are
just
a
couple
things
that
you
know
it's
not
just
to
protect
the
city,
but
it
also
protects
the
project
moving
forward
that
you,
as
these
River
Wildlife
Center,
certainly
want
to
make
sure
it
continues,
and
not
just
because
we're
at
a
magical
deadline
of
a
date
that
it
has
to
stop.
You
know
in
the
agreement
reads,
so
these
are
just
some
considerations.
Obviously
April
15
2023
was
the
deadline
30
days
after
that
it
could
be
conditioned
that
it
has
to
be
completed.
A
G
G
AE
Believe
so,
yes,
okay,
I,
I
I
personally,
am
part
of
the
changes
that
have
been
made
in
Staffing
I
have
over
27
years
experience
in
development,
we're
also
bringing
on
a
new
development
director.
So
we've
really
made
some
like
I
mentioned
strategic
changes
in
Staffing
and
board
members
to
really
spearhead
this
and
get
this
moving.
AE
AE
G
Then
you
really
have
a
mess.
So
what
what
kind
of
pressure,
if
any,
are
you
getting
from
your
current
landlord
to
move?
None.
L
L
P
AA
A
I
Okay,
so
I
had
asked
for
some
clarification
in
regards
to
this
lease
I'm.
Just
focusing
on
the
lease
at
the
moment
and
I
have
concerns
with
this
lease
and,
frankly,
for
the
record.
I
have
concerns
with
a
lot
of
leases
that
the
city
has
so
please.
This
is
not
singling
out
Peace
River
Wildlife
I
support
you
immensely,
but
going
back
to
my
my
business
brain
I
think
that
we
need
to
redo
some
of
the
stipulations
on
the
lease.
The
first
thing
that
I
really
have
a
problem
with.
I
Is
this
50-year
term
I,
don't
believe
anything
should
be
out
for
50
years.
I
would
be
more
amenable
to
a
10
to
20,
with
renewal
options
that
if
we
wanted
to
write
in
there,
as
far
as
you
know,
an
automatic
renewal
or
whatnot,
but
I,
don't
like
50
years
I.
Just
don't
think
that
it's
it's
a
good
idea
in
terms
of
the
city,
the
other
thing
I'm
going
to
throw
out
there
and
I
understand
I'm,
immediately
going
to
be
the
bad
guy
and
I'm.
I
Okay
with
that
we
lease
again
not
just
Peace
River,
but
a
lot
of
our
leases.
This
just
happens
to
be
the
only
one.
That's
in
front
of
me
that
I
would
actually
be
would
have
the
ability
to
renegotiate
a
dollar
a
year
is
not
enough.
We
have
Prime
Property
in
the
city
that
frankly,
I
understand.
If
it's
not
used,
the
city
would
have
to
maintain,
but
I
understand.
We
also
could
sell
it,
and
those
are
the
you
know,
or
we
find
a
wonderful
non-profit
to
use
the
grounds.
I
So
please
understand
this
to
take
it
with
the
grain
of
salt.
I
do
think
that
one
dollar
is
not
enough.
Talking
to
my
committee,
I
had
actually
proposed
a
ten
thousand
dollar
a
year
a
year
lease
which
I
was
told.
That
might
be
a
little
bit
too
much
for
a
non-profit,
but
I
really
think
that
if
you're
in
the
in
the
processing
the
planning
stages,
you
have
other
costs.
That
should
just
be
wrapped
into
your
cost
analysis,
maybe
more
of
a
five
thousand
dollar
a
year.
I
But
I
really
think
that
as
a
city,
we
are
giving
away
this
land
and
I
just
think
that
it
brings
more
accountability
for
whomever
is
using
the
space,
and
that
is
what
I
would
like
to
propose
today.
As
a
conversation
with
renegotiating
this.
AE
AE
F
AC
For
the
record,
Gary
wein,
a
member
of
the
the
board
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
that
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
in
the
process
of
developing
this
property,
and
we
made
a
decision,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
got
to
originally.
We
were
going
to
build
it
at
six
feet:
elevation,
additional
elevation,
we're
going
to
go
to
nine
feet
and
that's
also
including
the
parking
lot
by
rate,
just
the
dirt
alone,
for
those
two
projects
is
going
to
be
1.1
million
dollars.
AC
So
what
I'm
saying
is
is
that
we
are
going
to
be
the
city
is
going
to
be
owning
this
property
God
forbid.
We
should
default
and
I,
don't
believe
we
will
we're
going
to
be
increasing
the
value
of
that
asset
and,
according
to
a
mild
conversation
that
I've
had
with
two
different
realtors.
That
property
would
be
worth
right
around
a
half
a
million
dollars,
an
acre
with
the
dirt.
AC
On
top
of
it,
we're
putting
sewer
we're
putting
in
we're
doing
everything
a
developer
does
we're
putting
in
electricity
we're
putting
in
sewer
we're
doing
all
those
developments
that
you
would
do
for
a
housing
project.
For
the
purposes
of
of
that,
of
that
property
being
available
as
a
public
asset
to
enhance
the
the
value,
I
would
say
that
you
should,
in
prudence,
always
look
for
what
the
ROI
is
for
any
investment
that
the
city
makes
when
I
was,
as
some
of
you
were
when
I
was
up
there.
I
would
always
ask
that
question
now.
AC
G
G
G
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
our
my
advisors
felt
while
it
might
be
prudent
to
look
at
all
the
leases.
This
one
might
be
a
little
bit
different
in
that
you
know
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
is
kind
of
one
of
the
core
things
about
Punta
Gorda
that
drive
people
to
come
to
Punta,
Gorda
tourists
to
come
and
to
see
and
to
it's
a
reason
to
be
here.
G
C
AB
I
take
a
person's
word.
If
they
tell
me
they
think
they
can
do
it
until
they
prove
me
wrong,
I'm
going
to
give
them
that
chance
to
go
ahead
and
do
it
I
think
that
piecewell
Rivers
started
coming
there
and
a
piece
of
property.
That's
really
not
used
now,
in
conjunction
with
hounds
on
Henry,
I,
think
kind
of
work,
I
have
no
problem
with
the
dollar.
I
think
I
think
they
pull
that
off.
I
I'm,
like
councilman
karski,
I,
think
people
come
here
to
be
able
to
see
those
animals
up
close
and
personal
I.
AB
Don't
want
to
call
it
a
zoo,
it's
not
it's
a
wildlife
center.
They
take
in
those
birds
and
animals
that
have
been
hit
by
cars,
and
you
know
electrical
wires
and
all
kinds
of
stuff
and
then
rehabilitate
them.
I
I
think
it's
a
plus
for
the
city,
I,
just
truly
look
at
it.
You've
got
some
of
the
older
buildings
up
in
the
front
like
the
old
cigar
House
people
don't
realize.
A
Let
me
also
I
agree
with
you
bill
going
back
to
when
this
contract
was
initially
set
up.
It
was
you're
right,
it's
a
win-win.
It
was
an
agreement
between
the
Peace
River,
Wildlife,
Center
and
the
city,
and
it
was.
It
was
good
for
both
of
us
because
we
do
need
to
get
Ponce
Park
completely
restored
and
get
that
in
a
different
place
than
it
is
right.
A
We
were
going
to
do
them
a
favor
and
I
have
no
problem
extending
the
lease
for,
but
if
you
want
it
three
years
I,
you
know
for
the
sake
of
argument,
I
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
all
of
us
because
we
do
have
to
get
you
out
of
the
park
for
for
both
of
our
sakes.
Yes,
your
landlord
could
call
your
lease
at
any
time
that
you
that
you
don't
officially
have
with
them
and
and
they
get
they're
getting
ready
to
build
condos
out
there
on
the
property
that
they
bought.
A
So
there's
any
possibility
that
that
could
that
could
be
called
anytime,
but
I
think
I.
Think
the
important
part
is
that
it
was
an
agreement,
a
good
faith
agreement
between
both
organizations,
so
that
it
was
for
the
betterment
of
both
you
guys
and
us.
So
I'm
of
the
opinion
that
we'd
leave
it
the
same,
and
we
already
have
a
pre-established
rate
that
we've
already
agreed
to
and
all
we're
doing
is
asking
for
an
extension
on
that.
So
I
have
no
problem
approving
it.
G
U
AE
There
we
have
the
excuse
me,
the
city
council,
minutes
from
July
14
2021
that
extended
it
through
April,
15
2024..
So.
I
L
So
you
can
extend
it,
you
could
do
two
things,
you
could
one
extend
it
to
a
date
say
the
weather's,
23
or
24.
If
it's
24
it'd
be
26,
if
it's
23
it'd
be
26.
either
way,
and
then.
Secondly,
if
there's
some
concept
that
can
be
one
of
the
attachments,
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
concept,
just
something
that
says
it's
not
a
tent.
This
is
why
council
did
it,
and
this
is
the
intent
that
we
provide
a
developed
Wildlife
Center.
Just
like
you
said
you
have
the
maintenance.
You
have.
L
AE
Years
and
to
Mr
Murray's
point:
we
were
unsure
about
that
also
because
the
lease
does
say
2023.
So
we
spoke
with
Perry
at
the
city
offices
and
that's
where
we
got
the
minutes
and
we
were
told
that
that
was
sufficient.
If
it's
not,
then
that
was.
AE
V
If
I
might
follow
up
on
on
the
city,
manager's
comments
and
and.
V
So,
and
just
as
a
parenthetically
speaking
I
believe
this,
this
lease
was
originally
drafted
by
someone,
an
attorney
on
behalf
of
the
Peace
River
Wildlife
Center
and
and
when
I
review
documents
for
the
city,
I'm,
always
fighting
with
the
temptation
to
make
the
document
as
legally
tight
as
a
commercial
document
of
the
sort
would
require.
V
V
What
is
the
nature
of
the
organization
coming
forward?
What's
the
you
know
how
how
much
latitude
would
the
city
be
granting
and,
and
that
kind
of
goes
against
your
statements
that
should
be
treated
as
a
business?
V
So
in
going
through
this
agreement
in
preparation
for
today's
meeting,
you
know,
I
did
see
some
things
in
it
that
now
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
read
address
the
terms
of
the
agreement
in
order
to
make
the
amendment
that's
being
required
at
a
minimum.
There's
a
provision
in
here
that
talks
about
the
complete
development
of
phase
one
as
identified
as
exhibit
a
and
that
would
still
remain
in
effect,
it'll
just
have
a
different
end
date,
exhibit
a
really
doesn't
contain
anything
other
than
a
representation
of
the
area
that's
being
released.
V
It
doesn't
talk
about
any
of
the
improvements
that
would
be
con
that
are
contemplated
by
this
agreement
into
phase.
One
I
would
really
like
to
see
at
this
point,
since
we
have
the
opportunity
to
to
amend
the
document
for
you
to
give
us
an
itemization
and
a
conceptual
location
of
the
improvements
that
you
feel
like
are
going
to
go
into
phase
one.
V
As
part
of
the
this
amendment
process,
there's
also
another
thing
that
that
wasn't
concern
I
think
it
was
a
question
that
was
posed
this
morning,
and
that
is
if
the
contract,
if
the
agreement
is
terminated
because
of
a
failure
to
complete
the
construction
by
that
date,
what
happens
to
the
improvements
that
have
been
made
prior
to
that
deadline
when,
if,
if
the
contract
agreement
gets
terminated
on
the
basis
of
failure
to
complete
and
and
there's
actually,
two
words
of
art
that
are
mentioned
in
here,
one
is
termination
and
one
is
expiration
and
the
expiration
would
be
okay.
V
V
It
should
identify
who
takes,
who
owns
those
improvements
on
the
property
upon
exploration.
Now
the
way
the
agreement
reads,
it
only
talks
about
the
termination
and
it
says
upon
termination
of
the
lease,
and
that
would
be
if
you
fail
to
finish
the.
V
By
the
date,
certain
in
the
city
elects
not
to
extend
it.
It
says
the
city
shall
have
the
right
of
first
refusal
to
acquire
all
the
permanent
improvements
made
to
the
premises.
I
think
it
needs
to
be
tightened
up.
I
think
it
needs
to
address
the
situation
if,
in
the
unlikely
event,
we
get
to
the
April
15
2026
and
you
haven't
completed
all
of
the
improvements
that
were
promised
as
part
of
this,
this
amended
agreement
as
what
happens
with
respect
to
those
those
improvements.
Do
they
become
the
cities?
V
Does
the
city
have
to
pay
the
the
the
the
the
center
for
the
to
compensate
them
for
them
out
of
money
they
spent
on
those
improvements?
Those
are
things
that
need
to
be
addressed,
and
so
I
would
ask
that,
in
addition
to
modifying
the
agreement
to
provide
the
April
15
2026
date
that
you
give
me
the
authority
to
provide
some
additional
Provisions
to
tighten
up
the
agreement
and
hopefully
they'll
be
satisfactory
to
the
to
the
Senate.
V
I,
don't
think
we
need
a
new.
No,
we
just
well
I
I.
Don't
think
it
would
necessarily
be
fair
to
do
an
entirely
new
contract.
I
think
it
would
be
prudent,
though,
as
part
of
this
amendment
process,
to
tighten
up
some
of
the
things
that
that
are,
quite
frankly,
now
ambiguous.
That
would
avoid
litigation
arguments,
bad
feelings
in
the
unlikely
event.
Something
happens
that
wasn't
anticipated,
meaning
that
they're
unable
to
complete
the
project
so
David.
AA
V
L
V
And
but
then
there
was,
let's
say
for
the
sake
of
argument
that
the
City
council's
action
in
extending
the
the
lease
and
not
actually
documenting
that
by
an
amendment
under
the
provisions
of
the
agreement,
we
still
would
have
had
a
requirement
to
notify
them
of
their
failure
to
complete
and
then
trigger
the
mechanisms
that
would
allow
us
to
terminate
which
wasn't
done.
So.
V
G
Look
I
I
completely
agree,
I
mean
the
purpose
of
a
lease.
Is
to
address
these,
what
ifs,
so
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
You
know
In
the
Heat
of
the
Moment
One
suggestion
I
have
and
again
I
haven't
seen
the
presentation
yet,
but
my
I
will.
My
understanding
is
that
this
includes
detailed
renderings
of
the
projects.
I
mean.
Can
this
be
included
as
an
amendment
a
that,
then,
would
address
exactly
what's
going
to
happen
and
how
it's
going
to
look
in
in
phase
one.
V
V
It
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
you
can't
put
more
stuff
into
phase
one
than
what
you've
put
into
the
agreement.
But
we
need
to
have
a
bare
minimum
of
what
is
being
contemplated
in
this
agreement
as
to
what
will
be
completed
by
the
end
of
phase
one
as
extended
and.
AE
And
I
think
to
David's
point
for
Mark
what
is
on
the
USB
that
we
gave?
You
is
more
of
a
virtual
tour.
The
pretty
tour
and
I
think
what
David
would
like
to
see
in
the
lease
is
more
of
the
site
drawings
of
what
will
be
there
if
I'm
well,.
V
L
L
It
says:
complete
development
of
phase
two
is
identified
on
exhibit
a
within
five
years
after
completion
of
phase
one,
so
that
still
would
apply
as
part
of
this
lease,
so
there'd
be
a
five-year
period
or
then
it
says,
Show
automatic
reversion
of
the
phase,
two
property
back
to
the
city,
but
it
doesn't
say
anything
about
phase
one
property.
So
it
would
still
be
that
three
year
to
26
and
then
I
guess,
presumably
that
five
year
would
be
after
the
26
deadline.
That
would
now
be
extended.
V
G
V
So
or
site
plans
for
that
I
think
we
can
do
that.
I
think
we
can
say
by
you
know
by
2000
by
April
15
2025.
V
AA
A
V
V
AE
V
I
think
until
the
city
takes
action
with
respect
to
the
the
2023
date,
okay,
which
I'm
not
hearing
that
the
city's
desirous
of
taking
any
action
to
terminate
the
agreement.
On
the
basis
of
that,
you
can
certainly
assume
you
can
move
forward,
but
it
won't
be
certain
that
you
have
an
extension
until
the
ultimate
agreement
is
signed
by
the
city.
Okay,.
A
AE
A
A
V
V
V
We
have
the
advantage
because
the
the
college,
the
university,
is
recognized
as
an
as
a
function
of
the
state
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
the
interlocal
agreement
statute
that
provides
both
parties
with
some
some
protections
and
some
benefits
that
private
entities
would
not
provide
to
the
city.
So
essentially,
I
took
the
same
terms
of
the
agreement
that
was
presented
for
my
consideration
and
just
restructured
them
as
a
interlocal
agreement.
D
L
L
This
is
a
very
good
interim
measure
that
gives
us
the
facilities
we
need,
including
backup,
power
and
different
things,
as
well
as
as
I've
mentioned
before,
amenities
that
we
may
provide
there
to
help
Harden
any
of
the
additional
facilities
if
it
doesn't
have
exactly
what
we
need
gives
us
the
space
it
gives
us,
as
it
says,
for
employees,
public
officials,
families
et
cetera
everything
that
we've
been
doing
on
a
piecemeal
basis.
This
helps
consolidate
that
we're
right
next
to
out
on
the
left.
L
You've
got
County
fuel
facilities,
Parks
public
works
out
on
the
right.
You've
got
the
county.
Uc
you've
got
all
the
facilities
that
are
there.
It
really
ties
Us
in
in
a
way
that
we
have
Network
capability,
that
if
we
need
to
not
be
in
the
city
like
we
were
with
Ian,
this
really
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
have
a
first-class
facility
in
the
interim
that
we
can
use
for
that
purpose.
So.
L
Well,
as
I'm
sure,
if
we've
got
multiple
Ingress
egress
not
only
to
the
facility
but
to
the
city
through
Piper
through
a
lot
of
different
ways,
so
there's
everything
that
we
really
need
is
there.
It
says
anytime,
during
declared
state
or
local
emergency,
we're
still
under
a
state
of
emergency.
So
we
might
go
out
this
weekend,
just
go
out
and
hang
out.
G
D
To
everybody
I've
spoken
to
affiliated
with
the
college:
it's
not
a
cost.
It's
they
haven't
asked
for
any
anything
in
return.
We
are
offering
like
seats
at
the
EOC
table
when
we
we
have
different
meetings
concerning
what
were
our
plans
and
things
like
that.
It's
in
there
they're
not
specifically
asking
to
be
there.
We
just
we're
offering
it
to
them
and
then
just
if
they
need
resources
from
us
that
we
can
share,
we
will
and.
L
Does
this
routinely
with
many
public
safety
agencies,
I
mean
they
have
the
sheriff's
department,
they
have
PDS.
So
this
isn't
the
first
one
they've
done
they
do
it
every
year
for
many
different
ones
in
other
counties.
So
there's
this
one
they're
saying
you
know
glad
you
asked
because
we
have
it
available
and
we
do
it.
You
know
for
everyone
else
and
we
like
to
do
it
for
you
too
yeah.
V
No
seriously
and
and
disregard
my
comments
regarding
this
interlocal
agreement,
two
two
of
them
came
in
around
the
same
time,
the
one
that
I
was
thinking
of,
involved
some
services
that
we're
going
to
be
provided
relating
to
population
studies
that
will
be
coming
before
you
in
the
near
future,
and
that
was
the
one
that
I
moved
from
being
just
an
agreement
into
a
local
agreement.
That
was
the
question.
I
got
the
other
day
Okay,
so
this
is
totally
appropriate.
L
Her
intention
is
to
dedicate
specific
staff
to
come
up
with
our
Emergency
Management
plans
as
it
relates
to
this.
We
have
on-site
storage,
there's
a
cafeteria
there's
an
area
where
you
can
eat
aside
from
the
kitchen.
That
is
exactly
what's
needed:
there's
Cold
Storage,
there's
generator
bunk
area,
there's
breakout
rooms,
there's
computer
labs,
there's
everything
we
need
to
set
up
our
operation,
like
we've,
tried
to
do
in
many
different
locations
with
MREs
and
everything
else,
and
little
sternos
for
some
cases.
So
this
really
helps
us
take
another
step
forward
towards
our
ultimate
goal.
AB
A
F
A
L
A
L
L
Limited
public
forums
and
the
term
is
defined.
We
have
two
categories:
one's
demonstrations
and
one
is
special
events
which
includes
sport
events,
pageants
celebrations,
historical
reenactments,
anything,
that's,
basically
not
demonstrations
which
are
engaged
in
by
one
or
more
persons,
the
conduct
of
which
has
the
effect
intent
or
propensity
to
draw
a
crowd
onlookers
or
media
interests.
L
So
when
we
have
something
like
the
veterans,
Council
Council,
that's
putting
on
an
event
for
Memorial
Day,
the
reading
of
this
ordinance
could
be
interpreted
to
not
allow
that
if
they're
doing
it
anywhere
near
the
wall
in
that
triangular
space.
So
what
we're
asking
is
basically
for
a
one-time
exemption
from
this
ordinance,
because
the
space
that
is
used
is
the
Gazebo
and
that
gazebo
is
still
hurricane
damage.
L
Just
waiting
for
the
second
structural
analysis
from
structural
engineer
after
we
got
the
initial
report,
all
that
space
is
off
limits
now
it
can't
be
used
for
the
Memorial
Day
ceremony,
but
certainly
I
know.
Everyone
supports
the
ceremony
itself
and
the
veterans
Council.
So
we
are
looking
to
have
the
one-time
variants
so
that
they
can
actually
still
have
that
in
the
area
of
the
wall
and
not
violate
this
ordinance.
A
L
It's
2017
for
this
part
of
the
ordinance,
because
that
was
done
for
veterans
wall
for
the
Veterans
Park
and
it
has
Rachel
kiesling
sign
and
Dave
Levin
and
Karen
Smith.
That's
has
the
standard
signature.
W
W
A
I
was
on
Council,
then
and
I.
Don't
remember
that,
but
I
think
the
intent
was
to
not
have
demonstrations
and
protests
and
that
sort
of
thing,
I,
just
I,
think
that
well,
first
of
all,
I
happen
to
know
that
there
have
been
a
number
of
Ceremonies
that
have
taken
place
in
front
of
the
wall
since
that
time.
Obviously,
people
don't
know
that
this
ordinance
exists
and
the
veterans
council
did
not
know
that
this
ordinance
exists
until
I
told
them
that
it
does
so.
W
When,
when
staff
gets
any
type
of
request
for
any
event,
wedding
or
any
type
of
memorial
service,
we
guide
them
to
this
section
of
chapter
16,
our
Park
regulations
and
our
Park
rental
Ashley,
our
executive
assistant,
who
does
the
park
rentals
and
Sammy?
Who
helps
with
the
events
and
everything
we
they?
They
have,
this
information
that
they
give
to
people
and
say
this
is
the
area
you
cannot
hold
any
event
in
and
you
can
hold
it
right
now
outside
the
Gazebo
area.
But
since
a
gazebo
is,
is
damaged
and
that's.
A
V
So
I
don't
recall
how
this
specifically
came
to
my
staffs
attention
other
than
the
fact
that
it
would
have
come
from
city,
council
and
I.
Remember
that
I
think
I
was
working
with
Mitchell
Austin
the
it
was
necessary
to
try
to
make
sure
that
this
triangle
was
drawn
in
a
way
with
the
dimensions
that
would
not
prohibit
the
utilization
of
the
Gazebo
and
because
I
remember.
V
We
used
the
terminology,
limited
designated
public
forum,
specifically
to
make
sure
that
the
intent
was
that
the
area
within
the
triangle
remain
a
memorial
area
and
and
not
have
an
open
as
a
open
public
forum
that
would
allow
for
any
type
of
public
protester,
not
not
even
necessarily
protest,
just
public
speech.
V
So
there
was
a
lot
of
thought
that
went
into
the
preparation
of
the
of
the
ordinance
based
on
the
direction
that
the
sanctity
of
the
memorial
be
preserved.
However,
under
the
circumstances,
given
the
fact
that,
while
the
intent
was
that
any
of
these
ceremonies
take
place
in
the
Gazebo
and
the
fact
that
the
Gazebo
does
isn't
available
for
that
at
the
present
time,
the
city
does
have
the
authority
to
waive
enforcement
for
under,
under
these
particular
circumstances,
for
the
for
this
short
period
of
time.
AA
A
AB
F
One
time
well
before
we
do
that
can
I
just
ask
the
question.
So
let's
say
worst
case
scenario
you
have
to
rebuild
the
Gazebo
can't
be
repaired.
My
assumption
is
this:
isn't
the
only
kind
of
veteran
you
know
ceremony
that
happens?
There's
Memorial
Day,
there's
Veterans
Day,
there's
probably
other
things.
So
are
we
going
to
just
have
to
keep
doing
exceptions
if
the
Gazebo
is
not
in
operation?
Yes,.
A
E
G
I
Personally,
I
kind
of
feel
like
we're
going
down
a
slippery
slope.
I
would
rather
I'd
feel
more
comfortable
just
doing
this,
and
if
it
comes
back
again,
it
does
and
in
the
meantime,
we're
still
working
out
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
Pavilion
and
whatnot,
and
we
can
fix
that
in
the
future.
But
I
think
we
just
stay
with
this.
For
the
moment.
V
V
V
C
L
L
A
AA
A
Okay,
all
right,
we
next
have
the
bay
front,
Committee
Member
recommendations,
so
this
is
a
follow
through
from
our
last
council
meeting,
where
we
discussed
putting
a
committee
in
place.
That
would
be
a
publicly
noticed
meetings
and
subject
to
the
Sunshine
Law
and
several
organizations
in
the
community
who
used
that
bay
front.
Center
building
were
recommended
to
be
included
on
this
committee.
It
was
decided
by
Council
to
have
a
five-person
committee,
and
this
discussion
is
to
actually
appoint
those
five
people
good
morning,
sir
good.
AF
Morning,
Dwayne
Nodine
staff
planner
with
Urban
Design,
as
requested
Urban
Design
staff
contacted
following
organizations
to
solicit
the
nominations
for
the
individuals
to
serve
on
the
proposed
day
for
an
activity
center
advisor
committee.
Those
organizations
are
the
Punta
Gorda
and
Charlotte
harler
boaters
Alliance
the
southwest
Florida
Council
for
Boy
Scouts
of
America,
the
Gulf
Shore
sailing,
also
known
as
learn
to
sail
of
Southwest
Florida,
the
historic
Punta
Gorda
civic
association,
YMCA
of
Southwest
Florida
and
team
Punta
Gorda
I'm
happy
to
report
that
all
of
those
organizations
responded
with
the
nominee.
AF
Those
individual
names
are
as
follows:
John
Welsh
for
Punta
Gorda
and
Charlotte
Harbor
boaters
Alliance
Connie
Cantor
for
Southwest
Florida
Council
of
Boy
Scouts
of
America
Tom
Kavanaugh
for
Gulf
Shore
sailing
Bob
Seifert
apologize
if
I
botched
the
name
historic
Punta,
Gorda,
civic
association,
Kim
ammentry
for
YMCA
of
Southwest
Florida,
who
also
requested
a
an
alternate,
would
be
Allison
Buzick
and
last
Nancy
Johnson
for
team
Punta
Gorda.
That
concludes
my
report.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
You
and
if
I
could
further
that
we
of
course,
based
on
the
open
invitation,
had
two
emails
that
came
in
subsequent
to
agenda
information
being
published.
One
was
shishilitarium
and
the
other
one
was
Terry
Ashley.
That
Booth
also
expressed
interest
as
you
go
through
the
ones
in
total
that
had
expressed
interest,
because
this
was
intended
to
list
at
all
that
we
had
received
information
from,
but
they
have
not
yet
come
out.
G
I
On
a
side
note,
I
know
we
had
a
little
bit
discussion
and
forgive
me
if
we
had
made
a
decision.
We
had
a
discussion
as
far
as
having
somebody
from
staff
join
the
meetings,
not
neces.
You
know
more
of
just
a
liaison
and
I
know
in
my
group.
We
were
talking
about
just
you
know
how
overworked
staff
is.
I
I
was
kind
of
thinking
and
and
Melissa
I'm
just
gonna,
throw
it
out
there,
but
I
didn't
I.
We
all
thought
that
if
we
wanted
somebody
from
staff
to
join
that,
maybe
Melissa
Reichert
would
be
a
good
person
to
to
be
that
person.
That's
going
to
be
in
the
meetings
and
I
know
she's
probably
like,
but
you
know
just
as
a
side
note,
because
I
know
we
had
that
discussion,
I'm,
not
sure
where
it
went.
Let.
L
L
A
F
L
AA
L
L
Certainly
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
discussion
on
the
projects
that
that
the
ones
that
are
underfunded,
currently
the
excess
one
percent
sales
tax.
That's
currently
projected
what
these
projects
are,
what
we
need
to
find
where
we
need
to
fund
it
from
and
then
General
discussion
on
many
of
the
others,
some
of
which
aren't
in
here
yet
so
they'll
be
a
substantial
amount
of
information.
L
This
will
be
really
the
first
draft
or
pass
at
determining
what
council
was
interested
in
funding
so
that
we
can
bring
back
a
draft
for
the
budget
that
shows
that
funding
incorporates
it
you'll
see
a
reduction
in
excess
one
percent
sales
tax
and
you'll
see
a
lot
of
projects
that
are
currently
underfunded
or
not
funded
at
all
removed
from
the
list.
As
we
come
back
with
the
first
draft
based
on
Council
approvement.
I
Again,
I
apologize
if
I
missed
this
part,
but
now
once
the
committee
is
founded,
is
it
going
to
be
up
to
them
to
set
timelines
dates?
Meetings?
Is
that
all
going
to
be
under
the
purview
yeah.
G
The
last
count
that
was
going
to
be
my
question
at
the
last
council
meeting.
What
we
had
discussed
was
that
city
council
needed
to
provide
them
a
charter
with
a
specific.
What
what
is
the
outcome
and
by
when
not
just
to
leave
it
up
to
them
I,
and
that
was
going
to
be
my
question.
So
when
are
we
going
to
do
that?
Well,.
G
A
Are
we
expecting
the
discussion
last
time
was
that
they
would
come
back
with
suggestions
on
what
they
think
is
feasible
to
be
dealt
on,
that
property
and
what
purpose
it
will
serve
and
what
must
be
included
in
it?
And,
of
course
we
have.
We
also
have
the
report
that
was
submitted
from
Dover
call
when
we
did
the
master
plan.
G
L
And
and
when
the
expectation
coming
from
the
committee
given
the
timeline,
that's
developed
will
be
looking
at
Bayfront
Center,
looking
at
its
use,
its
intended
use
in
the
future,
the
best
location
for
it,
the
cost
of
it,
how
how
it
funded
and
then
the
ultimate
recommendations
back
to
cancer.
On
a
specific
timeline
that
comes
back
fairly
quickly.
AG
So
good
morning,
good
afternoon,
it's
kind
of
in
between
right
there,
Chris
and
Simeone
Finance
director-
and
this
is
our
first
meeting
regarding
some
of
our
budget
updates
that
will
be
coming
forward
to
council
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
general
construction,
one
percent
sales
tax
and
unfunded
projects.
AG
Again,
we'll
start
with
the
general
construction
fund
and
again
we're
looking
at
a
five-year
plan.
So
fiscal
year,
24
through
fiscal
year
28.,
the
general
construction
fund
accounts
for
Capital
Improvements
that
come
from
either
the
general
funds
special
Revenue
funds
grants,
financing,
sometimes
contributions
and
they
should
provide
a
Citywide
benefit.
AG
AG
Sure
so
our
general
construction
fund,
like
I,
said,
has
other
funding
sources,
but
we
did
specifically
start
putting
our
one
percent
sales
tax
in
its
own
fund.
So
we
could
easily
keep
track
of
the
projects
that
are
done
with
that
funding.
It
used
to
come
into
the
general
fund
and
we
would
transfer
those
funds
into
the
general
construction
fund,
they'd
kind
of
get
mixed
in,
even
though
we
kept
separate
account
numbers.
G
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
how,
because,
because
we
always
hear
a
lot
about
well,
we
could
do
that
with
one
percent
sales
tax
money,
and
we
hear
that
you
know
pretty
much
for
all
these
projects.
But
how
are
we
easily
to
know
and
I
understand
you're
tracking
it?
But
you
know,
for
instance,
we've
made
commitments
on
if
you,
if
you
added
up
all
the
commitments
that
we
have
and
what
the
projected
revenue
is
in
the
one
percent
sales
tax
were
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars,
I
understand
over
spent.
G
You
know,
for
instance,
the
the
the
Annex
or
not
the
annex,
but
city
hall
right
I
mean
once
you
start
that
you're
in
right
and
that's
big
money
and
and
you're
gonna
finish
it
no
matter.
What
so
at
one
point,
do
we
are
we
able
to
say
what
are
these
trade-offs
and
well
well,
we
could
do
that
with
one
percent.
We
can't
because
so
that
that's
where
I
was
what
I
was
trying
to
get.
AG
At
yes
and
that's
why
we
do
bring
it
to
you
several
times
a
year
Italy
when
we
know
when
we
budget
conservatives
so
we'll
you'll
see
even
with
our
conservative
numbers
right
now
that
we
do
have
some
additional
funds
available
in
my
recommendation,
I
wouldn't
say:
hey,
take
all
of
those
funds
and
allocate
them
right
now,
because
we
don't
know,
as
some
of
these
projects
are
coming
on
which
projects
are
going
to
come
in
over,
and
so
you
kind
of
have
to
prioritize
well,
which
projects
are
started,
which
ones
are
where
are
they
at
in
the
process?
H
L
Typically,
when
we
say
one
percent
sales
tax,
if
we
know
that
City
Hall
was
coming
in
over
or
Lashley
Park,
interactive,
fountain
or
AC
Freeman,
that's
typically,
where
we
knew
that
those
are
projects
that
are
already
ongoing
and
that
we
have
excess
revenue
from
one
percent.
L
We'll
say
we
could
take
it
from
one
percent
sales
tax
and
those
are
the
ones
that
are
listed
here
for
you
to
discuss
that
are
unfunded
sources,
but
we
can
identify
and
Kristen
can
identify
the
projects
that
are
already
ongoing,
that
we
have
to
prioritize
to
put
that
money
in
first,
and
that
comes
off
the
5
million
that
you
see
in
that
pro
forma.
But
when
you
look
at
all
unfunded
sources
for
projects
and
future
funding,
we
are
you
know
you
can't
do
them
all,
or
else
you'd
be
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
short.
AG
And
we
we
do
try
to
find
and
other
funds
first
before
we
just
say
one
percent
so
like
with
the
Lashley
Park
Marina
project,
the
the
playground.
We
were
using
Park
impacts
and
we
added
to
that
I
mean
we're
using
over
425
000
of
Park
impacts
to
help
with
that
project.
We
use
some
Ada
funds
for
that.
We
use
some
general
funds
to
put
money
in
some
CRA
funds,
so
there's
four
different
funding
sources
already
that
we
were
using
for
that
project
and
then
the
project
costs
just
keep
increasing
on
that
one.
L
AG
Yep-
and
you
can
see
this
first
whole
page-
is
not
one
percent
sales
tax.
There
might
be
some
projects
that
are
using
some
of
the
one
percent
because
again
it's
a
multiple
funding
sources,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
that
aren't
just
one
percent
sales
tax.
AG
And
what
I
always
go
back
to
is
what's
in
the
budget
book
and
then
any
decisions
that
are
made
while
we're
you
know
talking
and
we
keep
track
of
those
decisions
and
that's
how
we
update
that
proforma
and
once
you
make
some
decisions
today,
we
would
update
it
again
and
we
would
bring
that
back
to
council
as
well,
so
that
you
could
see
exactly
what
was
committed
so
going
on
for
the
first
section
of
this
page
is
the
general
funding.
The
first
few
projects
are
annual
projects.
AG
AG
Part
of
the
drainage
improvements
that
you
do
see
there
for
the
300
000
per
year.
That's
our
annual
drainage
program,
Lashley
park,
playground
and
interactive
Fountain.
You
can
see
the
current
estimate
for
the
total
project
is
one
million
five
hundred
and
eighty
thousand.
So
this
is
one
project
that
we
are
looking
for:
funds
for
we're
about
400
and
change
short
on
that
project.
Right
now,
the
composite
wooden
and
composite
Pathways
piers
and
docks
again
is
an
annual
project.
L
And
just
to
before,
we
go
any
further
for
everyone.
That's
watching
and
following
when
we
look
at
this
is
General
construction
fund.
Obviously
we're
also
going
to
go
through
one
percent
sales
tax,
but
the
aggregate
of
those
will
come
up
on
our
overall
Capital
Improvement
program,
so
the
first
one
that
Kristen
just
talked
about
was
drainage.
Improvements
on
that
Capital
Improvement
program.
You
can
look,
it
says
page
four,
and
when
you
go
to
page
four
of
the
detail
sheets
it'll
give
you
the
funding
sources.
L
So
if
it
is
general
fund
plus
one
percent
sales
tax,
plus
a
grant
plus
other,
it
will
all
be
listed
under
that
project.
Right
on
that
detail.
So,
first
of
all,
it's
how
we're
spending
general
fund
money.
Secondly,
how
we're
spending
one
percent
sales
tax
money
might
be
the
same
project
for
both,
but
then
the
aggregate
of
that
is
on
the
detail
sheet.
That
says
all
funding
for
that
project
and.
AG
I
can
I
do
have
the
detail
sheets
here
that
I
can
bring
up
online
for
for
any
viewing
if
you,
if
you
so
choose
and
feel
free
to
stop.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
a
specific
project,
we
can
go
to
that
particular
detail
sheet
and
talk
about
it
as
well.
AG
So
we're
trying
to
finish
up
the
channel
and
Basin
dredging
at
the
boat
club
area.
We
do
have
a
grant
but
we're
waiting
on
permitting.
So
hopefully
that
will
get
moved
forward
and
hopefully
we
can
complete
it
by
the
end
of
the
year.
If
possible,
question.
G
AG
So
this
is
a
Matt
Green
and
that
was
approved.
If,
if
we
can't
make
the
deadline
because
of
permitting,
we
would
have
to
either
reapply
or
ask
for
an
extension,
and
it
would
be
up
to
the
the
granting
agency
whether
they
would
approve
that
or
make
us
reapply
do.
G
M
L
The
dredging
one
that
we
talked
about,
we
don't
have
our
permit
from
the
state
yet
so
so
it
does
not
come
through
okay,
then
we
just
have
to
reapply
areas
for
an
extension.
AA
AG
Okay,
King
Street
improvements.
I
do
want
to
mention
that
project
cost
has
come
up
based
on
the
engineering
that
Brian
has
been
doing
so
we
do
have
it
20,
funded
from
general
fund
and
80
for
Mobility,
so
both
of
those
have
an
increase.
We
feel
we
should
move
forward
with
that
project,
so
we
did
increase
those
those
amounts
from
those
funds
we
have
railroad
crossing
Rehabilitation
I
also
want
to
bring
that
one
up,
because
those
cost
estimates
have
increased
as
well
and
that's
a
general
fund
funding
source.
AG
AG
Okay,
so
they
moved
up
Elizabeth
Street
to
the
next
project
versus
I,
think
it
was
McKenzie.
AG
Public
Safety
air
conditioning
replacement
system
that
one
is
on
an
ongoing
project.
It
hasn't
quite
started
yet,
but
you
know
I
put
it
on
there,
because
it'll
probably
carry
over
into
the
next
year
and
then
historic,
City,
Hall
and
we'll
be
talking
about
that
particular
project.
The
current
750
000
that
you
see
from
the
general
fund
is
for
the
sale
of
the
Bel
Air
property
and
the
insurance
proceeds
the
current
estimates.
Obviously,
the
estimate
from
the
insurance
is
a
little
more
that
will
add
more
funds
that
we
can
use
to
that.
AG
AG
The
next
section
is
our
grant
funding,
so
we
do
have
a
grant
from
Freeman
house.
At
the
current
estimate.
We
are
funded
on
that
project
between
the
Grant
and
one
percent
sales
tax,
the
living
Shoreline
Tiki
point.
We
do
have
a
pending
Grant
with
the
city
and
we
and
the
other
part
is
unfunded.
However,
we
think
that
will
be
a
partnership
with
schnep
so
which
is
the
coastal
Heartland
and
National
Estuary
partnership,
so
if
they
are
able
to
fund
that
with
some
Federal
grant
funds
that
project
may
get
funded
the
drainage
improvements,
Boca
Grande.
AG
We
currently
have
three
grants
for
that
and
some
funds
set
aside
from
one
percent,
but
the
estimate
has
gone
up
so
we'll
talk
about
that
when
we
get
to
the
one
percent
sales
tax-
and
you
see
that
there's
the
grant
for
the
dredging
and
then
you
have
Cooper
Street
improvements.
So
this
is
an
F
dot
project
that
the
city
would
be
the
lead
on
and
the
funds
would
come
from
F
dot.
So
we
would
be
moving
forward
with
that.
AG
AG
Next
is
mobility
impacts
and
that's
sidewalk
improvements,
historic
district
infrastructure,
the
funds
for
the
King
Street
improvements
and
starting
to
fund
those
Airport
Road
improvements
that
are
also
as
a
project.
That's
not
fully
funded.
Yet
we
have
our
Public
Safety
impacts
and
again
we're
estimating
about
300
000
per
year
for
the
public
safety
building
expansion.
AG
And
that's
because
we
have
a
couple
years
where
obviously
we
hadn't
started
the
project,
we're
getting
about
225
000
in
public
safety
impacts
per
year,
so
going
past
2028.
We
might
not
have
as
as
much
available
for
that
project
and
then
the
ongoing
Ponce
de
Leon
improvements,
the
700
000,
was
from
the
fish
Bill
sale,
with
the
final
improvements
being
currently
being
done.
AG
So
again
you
can
see
that
at
the
end
of
fiscal
year
27
we
still
have
about
5.3
million.
That
would
be
undesignated,
and
we
can
kind
of
talk
about
that.
So
we
did
increase
the
one
percent
sales
tax
to
about
4.4
million
per
year
in
fiscal
year,
27,
it's
just
that
quarter
left
for
the
final
period
of
time.
For
our
current
extension,
we
don't
automatically
assume
we're
going
to
have
a
renewal,
so
we're
don't
show
any
additional
funds
after
that.
L
AG
AG
So
this
is
the
sheet
for
our
one
percent
sales
tax,
some
of
the
big
things
that
you
can
see
the
complete
Street
US
17,
based
on
a
previous
council
meeting.
We
have
taken
that
project
out.
Those
funds
were
moved
up
to
the
US-41
Northbound
decorative
safety
standards,
so
you'll
see
that
in
2024.
can.
AG
Here's
the
cursor,
so
here
was
the
canceled
project.
It
used
to
have
500
000
funding
here
in
27,
and
we
moved
it
up
here
to
the
500,
the
Northbound
project.
Another
project
that
had
just
a
slight
change
was
the
historic
district
infrastructure
the
division
asked.
We
were
originally
going
to
start
funding
that
in
24.
they
asked
if
we
could
move
it
out,
so
you'll
see
an
increase
in
2026
based
on
what
the
division
thought
they
could
do.
AG
Those
were
the
biggest
ones
that
actually
had
movements
as
far
as
what
was
already
approved
by
Council.
So
then
we
can
talk
about,
say.
The
historic
City
Hall,
with
the
increase
in
costs,
were
approximately
634
000,
still
short,
based
on
the
last
estimates
that
were
provided
by
Urban
Design
to
city
council.
AG
AG
AG
L
AG
Historic
City
Hall
is
one
of
the
big
projects
the
lashi
park
playground
and,
although
you
don't
see
it
specifically
on
this
slide,
it
was
because
it
was
partially
funded
from
Ada
improvements
and
we
have
a
whole
list
of
ADA
improvements.
So
it
would
make
this
slide
very
long
if
we
would
try
to
put
each
one
out
the
next
one
is
Boca
Grande
drainage.
So
let
me
bring
up
this
one.
This
is
the
one
we
have
three
grants
for,
and
you
can
see
with
the
current
estimate
that
we're
short
about
1.3
million
time
another
one.
A
AG
A
AG
So
and
then
that'd
be
like
a
proc
for
just
those
three
that
I
first
mentioned
that's
2.3
million
because
we
were
sure
approximately
407
000
on
the
playground,
Lashley
park,
playground.
G
I
see
to
me
this
is
the
slide
where
the
rubber
meets
the
road,
because
the
bottom
line
is,
you
know,
7.6
million
and
we've
only
got
5.3.
You
know
we've
already
identified
half
of
the
5.3,
so
this
is
where
we're
going
to
have
to
make
choices.
You
know,
or
at
least
prioritize
things
and
say
this
is
the
number
one
party.
This
is
number
two
priority
and
at
some
point
you
draw
the
line
and
nothing
else
gets
started
until
we're
sure
we
can
follow.
AG
A
L
A
lot
of
these
are
carryover
unfunded
from
last
year.
I'll
say
not.
All
of
these
are
new
and
funded.
So
really
what
we're
focusing
on
first
are
the
projects
that
were
started
that
actually
the
estimates
or
the
costs
came
in
higher
than
was
funded.
So
that's
the
first
thing
we
use
any
excess
for.
Then
we
go
to
other
projects
if
they're
able
to
be
funded,
correct.
AG
There's
no
new
projects
listed
on
this
slide
from
last
year.
The
only
other
thing
too
is
we
did
split
out
the
Northbound
and
southbound
it
used
to
be
one
project,
but
because
we're
funding
the
Northbound
part
with
f
dot.
We
just
wanted
to
leave
that
part.
That's
unfunded,
so
there's
the
400
000
for
that.
AG
So
any
questions,
or
so
again,
that's
the
2.3
million.
We
do
need
to
talk
about
on
again
a
couple
more
projects,
the
Bayfront
Activity
Center,
which
you've
kind
of
already
alluded
to.
AG
AG
A
I
think
personally,
I
feel
like
the
assets
that
we
have
that
have
to
be
fixed.
That
should
take
priority
over
some
of
these
other
projects
that
may
be
able
to
be
pushed
back
and
then,
if
the
funds
are
available,
then
we
we
fund
them
later
on.
If
we
have
to,
but
you
know
like,
we
talked
about
City
Hall,
the
Boca
Grande
drainage
and
the
the
playground
we've
got.
A
Those
are
those
are
projects
that
have
been
ongoing
for
years
and
years
and
years
and
we've
got
to
get
them
done
and
and
then
you
know,
then
you
start
looking
at
the
Safety
and
Security
things
like
the
Henry,
Street,
sidewalks
and
crosswalk.
You
know
that
those
are
important
safety
things,
those
that's
probably
the
next
on
the
list.
We.
A
AG
Something
when,
since
you
mentioned,
Henry
Street
crosswalk,
the
one
thing
we
do
want
to
mention
on
that
is,
we
do
need
to
have
a
study
completed
on
it,
to
determine
what
are
the
best
places
to
put
those
crosswalks.
What
type
of
crosswalk
needs
to
be
placed
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
that
was
going
to
be
part
of
a
little
bit
of
change
of
scope
of
what
that
project
originally
started
as
and
then
Public
Safety
is
another
one.
We
probably
really
need
to
discuss
the
public
safety
building
expansion.
AG
The
current
expansion
that
was
originally
presented
is
probably
needed
to
be
looked
at
and
changed
based
on
the
way
the
both
divisions
are
growing
and
because
of
the
way
they're
growing.
There
are
some
options
that
maybe
could
be
possibly
done.
So
one
option
was
thrown
out
that
possibly
we
could.
We
would
have
to
separate
the
divisions
and
one
division
might
have
to
move
to
another
location
and
build
a
building
if
they
still.
AG
If
you
want
to
keep
the
city
or
the
police
and
the
fire
division
at
this
location
and
have
both
housed
there,
they
would
probably
need
the
property
next
door,
which
is
not
for
sale.
So,
do
we
go
out
for
eminent
domain
to
try
and
get
that
property
before
it
gets
built
on
I?
Think
there's
a
car
wash
schedule
to
be
built
there,
so
in
so
those
are
some
of
the
options
being
thrown
out.
I
don't
know
if
you
would
want
to
have
a
study
done
of
what's
the
best.
You
know.
G
Well,
not
just
an
EOC,
but
what
I
and
and
I
don't
know
that
we
can
do
that
here.
But
what
I
don't
really
like
to
see?
Is
this
list
prioritize?
Because
the
mayor's
right
I
mean
there
are
certain
things
that
are
absolutely
must
have,
so
you
cannot
they're
either
started
or
we
absolutely
have
to
have
them
and
they're
going
to
cost
this
much
end
of
story.
You
know
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
we
have
then
there's
there's
other
things:
the
police
and
fire
I
mean
that
is
a
critical
element
of
what
any
City
provides.
G
So
that
has
to
be
a
top
priority,
but
some
of
these
other
things
you
know-
and
maybe
it's
the
fishing
pier
I,
don't
know,
but
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
on
the
list,
so
I
think
I.
Think
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
a
prioritized
list
that
that
says.
You
know
here:
here's
the
you
cannot,
you
have
to
do
you.
Don't
there
isn't
even
a
question
you
have
to
do
these
then
there's
the
top
top
priorities
and
then
there's
the
list
kind
of
goes
down
from
there.
G
That's
what
I
would
like
to
see
for
the
one
percent
sales
tax
and
then
have
a
discussion
on,
are
those
the
right
priorities,
because
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
kind
of
going
through
and
you're
explaining
each
one,
but
we're
not
having
a
discussion
to
say
this
is
a
priority
we
and
and
we're
in
we're
all
in
on
this
one,
and
then
you
know
this
one,
maybe
not
so
much
that
that's
where
I'd
like
it
to
go.
Didn't.
A
We
do
that
with
the
last
cycle
toward
the
end
of
the
last
couple
years
of
that
cycle.
I
think
we
started
doing
that
where
we
got
we,
we
did
updates
as
to
which
projects
had
been
completed
with
one
percent
money,
and
then
we
went
and
priority
order
of
how
we
were
going
to
continue
down
the
list
and
I
think
we
need
to
do
that
again.
We're
at
that
point.
So.
AG
Are
you
asking
Finance
or
city
manager
to
prioritize
the
projects
versus
Council,
prioritizing
I.
G
I
think
I
think
maybe
not
just
Finance,
but
staff.
The
city
staff
I
mean
I,
think
you
guys
need
to
get
together
because
I
mean
the
Chiefs.
Are
there
right
about
to
lobby
for
the
EEOC
right
and,
and
so
I
mean
that
what
what
what
I
think
what
city
staff
needs
to
do
is
is
put
together
a
list
that
they
feel
are
the
priorities
and
explain
why.
Why
is
this
the
number
one
priority?
Why
is
this
the
number
two?
G
Why
is
it
and
then
we
can
have
discussion
and
agree,
and
you
know
what's
going
to
happen.
What's
going
to
happen?
Is
there's
going
to
be
no
discussion
on
the
top
ones?
It's
going
to
be
where
you
draw
the
line,
and
it's
going
to
be
the
one
or
two
that
go
above
or
below
the
line,
that's
where
all
the
discussion
is
going
to
be
and
and
then
having
that
list
available,
because
that's
why
I
say
okay
well,
where
is
that
when
we
say
we
could
put
something
on
a
one
percent
sales
tax?
G
L
AA
G
The
way
and
do
it
I
can't
I
I,
okay,
I
get
it
I
agree
with
that.
I
can't
answer
that
last
question.
Until
we
have
that
prioritized
list,
I
can't
say
what
what
do
you
move
forward
because
I
don't
know
where
the
priorities
are
I
mean,
and
we
all
probably
have
different
opinions
of
what
the
priorities
are.
F
A
AG
I
think
our
first
top
priorities
are
definitely
historic,
City
Hall,
because
it
that
project
needs
to
move
forward
for
the
the
staff
to
be
able
to
move
back
into
there
for
Council
to
move
back
into
there.
AG
AG
The
next
one
would
be
the
book
of
grand
drainage
and
again,
I
would
say,
hold
those
funds
aside.
Do
you
definitely
need
to
fund
the
1.3,
yet
we
haven't
gone
out
to
bid,
yet
maybe
that
will
come
as
soon
as
we
go
out
to
bid
and
we
hit
our
final
100
plans
and
how
and
go
out
to
bid
and
see
what
we
can
get.
Maybe
we
need
a
little
bit.
Less
could
be
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
we
don't
know
exactly
what's
going
to
happen
when
we
go
out
to
bid
no.
A
L
AH
Brian
clubman's
Public
Works
director,
so
Boca
Grande
project
this
month,
it's
winding
down,
but
we're
supposed
to
get
a
new
cost
opinion
they're
trying
to
get
to
the
final
bid
plans.
We've
had
a
we've
kind
of
been
a
lot
of
quality
control
to
get
these
plans
right
and
then
the
bid
specifications
should
all
be
coming.
So
we'll
start
moving
that
forward
in
the
following
months.
AH
The
only
thing
that's
came
up
recently,
I
guess
at
one
point:
the
railroad
indicated
that
we
didn't
need
to
apply
to
them,
but
now
they're
saying
we
need
to
apply
to
them,
but
we
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
there's
going
to
be
no
charge,
they're
not
going
to
charge
us
for
the
application
fee.
We
think
that
will
move
move
forward.
AH
A
AG
So
we'll
move
those
into
the
funded
if
everything
else
will
remain
unfunded
and
we
can
come
up
with
a
priority
list
because,
like
I
think
the
next
thing
would
probably
be
Freeman
house,
because
again
we
have
a
grant
for
that.
So
if
we
want
to
take
advantage
of
that,
Grant
and
the
the
price
comes
in
higher,
but
we
won't
know
that
right
away.
But
when
we
get
our
final
pricing
for
that,
that
might
be
one
that
we
see
an
increase
in
and
we
might
need
some
of
those
funds
for
Freeman
house
and.
AG
A
AG
We've
already
funded
the
Henry
Street
crosswalk,
so
at
least
at
the
the
price.
That's
there
and
again
so
some
projects
that
haven't
started
that
you
could
always
say
hey.
Maybe
we
take
some
funds
from
there
rather
than
from
the
5.3
million,
so
say
the
historic
district
infrastructure.
You
could
have
a
discussion
and
say:
well.
A
Again,
looking
at
that
Henry
Street
property
improvements,
that's
going
to
all
be
predicated
on
on
the
wildlife
Center's
facility,
also
correct.
It's
all
going
to
be
done
kind
of
in
tandem
with
each
other,
so
that
may
be
another
one.
We
can
push
back
yeah.
You
know
I
I
think
we
have
to.
We
have
to
look
at
the
whole
big
picture,
not
just
one
chapter
of
the
book.
A
You
know
we
have
to
look
at
what
what
that
property
is
going
to
look
like
in
two
or
three
or
five
years,
and
if
it's
five
years,
which
it
may
very
well
be
before
this
is
all
said
and
done.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
money
allocated
for
the
projects
that
take
priority
over
that
and
if
we
have
to
push
it
back
to
the
next
sales
tax,
then
we
do
correct
and.
AG
And
that's
why,
when
we
talk
about
the
Henry
Street
property,
you
may
have
to
leave
what's
there
or
a
portion
of
it,
because
we
do
have
to
do
the
storm
water
part
in
the
parking
lot,
but
the
part
that's
unfunded
may
have
to,
even
though
it
was
in
tier
two
and
unfunded.
It
may
have
to
remain
that
way
because
it
hasn't
started.
Yep.
AG
So
when
the
sales
tax
committee
met
and
and
then
at
the
time
we
only
estimated
a
smaller
amount
of
proceeds
coming
in,
but
you
know
we
know
our
City's
growing,
the
county
was
growing
and
we
said
there
might
be
some
additional
funds,
so
we
created
a
tier
one
and
a
tier
two
based
on
the
estimated
funding.
We
thought
we
could
get
it's
so.
Basically
that
is
a
prioritization
of
what
some
of
the
projects
were.
So
tier.
AG
AG
Are
there
any
other
projects
you
want
me
to
go
over
specifically,
some
of
these
other
projects
really
haven't.
Had
much
change,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
two
chiefs.
Oh,
yes,
let
me
have
them
talk.
L
To
you
Public
Safety,
we
do
also
need
to
talk
about
the
Lashley
Marina
Pier,
because
we
have
that
very
long,
pier
sidewall
fueling
station
there
and
the
pier
is
deteriorated
underneath
and
it's
at
a
point
where
it's
going
to
be
closed.
So
if
we've
already
had
the
assessment
done
by
Hans,
Wilson
Associates
they've
got
boats
and
divers
out
there
and,
if
we're
not
going
to
fix
it,
we're
going
to
have
to
close
it
and
dismantle
it
or
we're
going
to
have
to
repair
it.
J
Only
gives
fire
chief
to
do
with
the
the
public
safety
building.
This
is
one
of
our
our
critical
needs,
as
as
we
grow
and
move
forward
throughout
this
next,
you
know
few
years,
but
we're
not
only
complaining
for
the
next
five
to
ten
years,
but
we're
looking
forward
to
the
next
25
years.
So
we
don't
have
to
continuously
come
back
and
say
hey.
We
need
to
start
over
from
scratch
and
figure
something
out
so
originally,
when
we
put
this
this
plan
in
place,
we
weren't
necessarily
even
thinking
about
the
EOC
operations.
J
We
were
thinking
about
our
just
internal
growth
with
police
and
fire
dispatch.
All
those
needs
that
we
that
we
currently
have,
or
we've
completely
ran
out
of
space.
So
as
our
department,
the
fire
department
determines
that
we
might
need
an
emergency
response
vehicle
for
medical
calls
running
out
of
station.
One
currently
I
have
no
place
to
actually
to
have
those
guys
sleep
in
that
station,
so
also
where
they're
doing
their
computers
and
all
the
report
writing
and
things
like
that.
We've
ran
out
of
space
for
for
those
personnel
as
well.
J
So
right
now
we're
in
that
process
of
planning
to
say
what
are
our
options.
So
this
is
kind
of
that
guidance
that
we
would
look
to
city
council
to
say,
hey
well,
we're
in
favor
of
you
guys
trying
to
stay
at
that
location,
trying
to
acquire
that
that
additional
property-
it's
currently
not
on
the
market.
He
said
he
wasn't
interested
in
selling
it
at
this
time,
so
so
we've
kind
of
looked
at
it
already
for
the
appraised
price
and-
and
he
purchased
it
a
year
ago.
You
know
at
a
reasonable
price
and
you.
J
A
J
I
I
think
it
works
well
and
I
think
it
becomes
more
cost
effective
if
we
can
buy
the
property
and
not
have
to
rebuild
like
an
entire
fire
station
or
an
entire
police
department.
If
we
can
add
on
and
make
our
improvements
to
the
existing
location
and
still
have
ample
parking
spaces
and
and
room
to
grow
and
expand,
it
just
makes
more
sense.
So
that
would
be
our
our
number
one
choice.
But
if
that
doesn't
become
available
to
us,
then
we
would
have
to
look
for
alternate.
You
know.
J
I,
don't
we
had
an
appraisal
done?
An
appraisal
came
back
at
1.5
million.
He
knows
what
the
appraisal
was
and
he
wasn't
interested
in
selling
it
at
that
price.
C
D
That's
part
of
our
Police
Department,
so
that
was
one
of
the
things
we
were
thinking.
Could
we
go
up
we,
but
we
would
need
to
the
design
phase
to
kind
of
tell
us
that,
is
it
Engineers
to
look
at
it
and
say:
okay,
this
is
some
options
you
could
do
just
to
to
expand
on
what
Chief
gives
said,
I
mean
even
our
training
room.
You
know
we
use
that
as
an
EOC
during
emergencies.
It's
not
something
it
doesn't
work
for
us
and
and
for
my
staff.
D
I
have
if
I
have
20
people
in
there
and
I
they're
kind
of
mushed
in
there
to
do
training,
and
we
it
just
it's.
We
definitely
just
need
to
grow
if
we
could
grow
up.
That
would
be,
you
know,
build
up
that
would
be
great
I.
Know
Chief
gives
needs
another
Bay
just
to
add
that
those
vehicles
that
he
would
need
to
have
respond
as
well
and.
L
Just
to
further
that,
also,
when
you
talk
about
response
vehicles,
that
emergency
medical
call
that
they
get
every
two
hours,
we
all
our
Medics
are
on
fire
trucks,
so
I
mean
if
we
have
chase
vehicles.
The
efficiency
of
that
becomes
substantial
because
we
don't
have
large
Suburbans,
for
example,
that
are
geared
with
Med
boxes
and
the
appropriate
equipment.
So
we
can
have
two
Medics
go
out
because
we
don't
transport
Charlotte,
County
transports.
L
We
provide
first
response,
so
we
get
there
first
and
we
can
take
care
of
people
while
the
transport
vehicle
is
on
the
way
fire
trucks.
That's
great,
that's
why
you
see
a
fire
truck
and
then
an
ambulance
down
all
the
different
locations
in
the
city.
It's
much
better.
If
we
had
smaller
vehicles
that
the
Medics
could
use
for
that
purpose.
L
That
being
said,
we
have
the
space
requirements
that
they're
talking
about
as
well
as
EOC
and
while
they're
distinctly
different
they're
all
say
the
same,
so
we
already
have
a
budgeted
item
that
you
see
on
your
sheet
for
6.9
million,
a
million
of
which
is
unfunded,
so
basically
in
the
next
few
years,
5.8
million
right
now.
So
we're
going
to
pursue
this
it's
time
to
get
the
you
know
some
cost
estimates
designed
in
place
so
that
we
can
say
this
million.
That's
unfunded
needs
to
be
3
million
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
L
G
AA
J
L
Of
the
station
we
already
have
bays
and
you
know
moving
fire.
For
example,
all
those
bays
are
then
going
to
have
to
be
recreated.
So
if
we
had
that
property-
and
we
were
able
to
look
at
all
the
options
then-
and
we
are
in
the
red
zone-
so
I
mean
if
we
get
a
hurricane,
where
we
have
to
evacuate
that
building
is
more
than
likely
going
to
be
evacuated.
But
if
we
had
a
second
story
at
least
you'd
be
on
the
second
floor,
absolutely.
AH
A
I
I
J
Not
currently,
our
footprint
is
pretty
Limited.
We
actually
had
to
I
guess
petition
to
to
increase
the
footprint
on
on
the
ramp
on
the
on
the
apron
just
to
get
the
apparatus
out
of
that
building.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
narrow.
The
rest
of
it
is
yes,
the
designated
Park,
okay
and
I
guess
in
an
environmentally
sensitive
area.
So.
L
J
D
I
Okay,
so
I
don't
know
where
the
conversation
needs
to
go,
but
I
personally
think
that,
right
now
from
what
I'm
hearing,
we
need
to
start
actively
looking
for
another
space
to
buy
for
one
of
the
Departments,
probably
more,
the
police
department.
From
my
hearing,
you
have
a
wider
area
to
look
but
I
think
that
needs
to
be
our
priority.
We
need
to
secure
something
immediately
as
soon.
L
AG
A
AG
So
this
this
first
part
is
the
parts
we've
already
talked
about.
We
do
have
four
projects
that
are
being
done
within
City
boundaries
from
other
agencies
over
the
next
five
years.
So
those
are
those
are
fdot
projects
and
then
this
is
the
fully
unfunded
projects.
In
again,
probably
those
top
few
are
more
of
the
priorities
which
and
they
can
be
moved
around
so
public
safety
building.
Fencing
was
a
new
project
this
year
to
help
enclose
the
current
Public
Safety
space,
pickleball
court
fence
replacement
that
can
maybe
move
down.
AG
West
Williams
Street
drainage
improvements,
Glasgow
Avenue
improvements,
so
those
four
are
brand
new
projects
that
you
haven't
seen
before
that
are
on
the
unfunded
list.
And
then
you
have
your
Lashley
Pier
project
and
it's
pretty
much
at
the
top
where
it
was
last
year,
and
did
you
want
to
talk
more
about
that
Pier.
AH
Brian
Coleman's
Public
Works,
the
pier
we
are
still
waiting
for
Hans
Wilson
to
get
us
a
report.
What
I
currently
know
is
that
I
expect
the
pilings
and
caps
to
be
able
to
be
rehabbed,
but
the
decking
is
going
to
need
to
be
replaced.
AH
L
L
L
Right
and
the
other
one
on
that
list
was
really.
Everyone
walked
up
to
the
top,
so
you
might
want
to
walk
back
down.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
the
public
safety
fencing
at
all.
L
D
Chief
family,
so
everybody's
familiar
with
some
of
the
incidents
that
have
happened
over
there
with
people
just
showing
up
and
when
our
officers
and
our
buyer
Personnel
are
kind
of
exposed.
If
you
will
there's
really
no
security,
there's
nothing
to
keep
keep
people
from
just
driving
back
there
and
who
knows
what
and
a
lot
of
times
car
department
has
their
Bays
open
in
the
back,
and
we
just
we
want
to
find
a
way
to
make
it
a
little
more
secure.
D
AB
L
So
then,
what
we'd
like
to
do
with
the
projects
is
then
to
further
that,
which
is
what
the
council
person
was
suggesting,
very
good
idea
that
we,
you
know,
put
all
these
back
on
the
priority
list,
show
what
we
are
funding
change
the
funding
sources
in
here
change,
the
pro
formulas,
so
we
can
see
what
the
bottom
is,
and
obviously
the
5.3,
the
proforma
or
the
one
percent
page
is
the
same
that
matches
the
5.3
on
the
pro
forma
that
was
presented
for
one
percent
sales
tax,
that's
nice
when
they
match.
L
So
we
can
change
that
up
with
the
priority
projects
in
the
ones
that
the
council
have
already
supported.
We
can
see
exactly
where
we
stand
as
we
move
forward
with
our
Capital
plan,
any
other
funding
sources
that
are
anticipated.
Then
we
can
show
you
that
priority
list.
We
can
have
that
further
discussion
in
the
next
iteration
of
this
and
move
the
whole
thing
forward.
L
F
Yep
yeah
just
one
comment
like
on
the
unfunded
projects:
there
are
projects
that
have
been
on
there
for
years
and,
if
we're
never
going
to
do
it,
I
mean
why
do
we
keep
looking
at
it?
I
mean
I,
find
it
frustrating
that
we
just
you,
know,
keep
reminding
ourselves
of
all
these
things.
We're
not
going
to.
A
L
Is
not
going
to
no
matter
where
it
goes,
it's
not
going
to
cover
it.
We
only
have
900
some
thousand
from
insurance,
and
obviously
you
know,
especially
in
that
general
area.
It
has
to
be
elevated
out
of
the
velocity
and
red
Zanes,
and
so
we
do
need
some
of
this
money
reserved
for
that
as
well.
Okay,.
AG
N
Okay,
Karen
Smith
see
clerk.
We
just
have
a
few
forwarding
committee
items
vacancies.
We
have
the
code
enforcement
board
to
alternates
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board
to
alternates
Planning
Commission,
one
regular
and
utility
Advisory
Board.
There
was
some
confusion,
we
have
a
vacancy
and
we
had.
We
do
have
a
nominee.
However,
they
couldn't
be
here
today,
so
we
changed
it
back
to
announcement
of
vacancy
they'll,
be
here
on
June,
the
7th
and
we'll
we'll
change
that
to
back
to
nomination.
N
N
N
A
second
correct
right,
no
seconds
needed.
Thank
you
under
nominations:
Planning
Commission.
We
also
had
some.
We
actually
have
two
seats
on
the
Planning
Commission
Mr,
ciprit
and
Mr.
Gamblin
are
the
incumbents
and
we
there
were
questions
about
why
Mr
Gamblin
was
not
included
in
the
nominations
and
that's
because
we
were
unable
to
get
his
application
updated
and
we're
not
able
to
get
a
response
from
him,
but
he
has
since
responded
and
he
will
be
nominated
at
the
next
meeting.
N
AA
N
Lastly,
this
is
under
appointments.
N
I,
don't
I
didn't
make
a
voting
form
for
you,
because
we
only
have
two
individuals
that
are
being
recommended
and
I
don't
have
their
oh,
it's
Mr,
Cox
and
Mr
Ritz
that
expressed
an
interest
in
serving
and
they
were
both
nominated
at
the
last
meeting.
If
you'd
like
to
appoint
them,
I
do
need
a
motion.
I
A
AF
A
N
A
L
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
one
event
that
came
in
late
that
we
weren't
able
to
talk
about
before
the
Blanchard
House
Museum
will
be
celebrating
the
May
20
1865
reading
of
the
Emancipation
Proclamation
in
Tallahassee,
the
freed
enslaved
persons
in
Florida
a
program
ribbon
cutting
for
an
exhibit
at
the
Punta
Gorda
Charlotte
Library
will
be
held
on
May
20th
at
2
o'clock.
L
County
library,
May
20th
at
2
o'clock,
ribbon
cutting
for
an
exhibit
okay,
and
then
we
discussed
the
leases
somewhat,
but
due
further
that
we
do
have
a
complete
list
of
all
the
leases
in
the
city
and
they're
substantial.
We
are
going
to
be
reviewing
that
for
consistency,
expiration
date
see
what
exactly
the
exposure
of
the
city
is,
what
we
can
make
sure
we
are
consistent
with
as
we
move
forward
and
we're
looking
at.
L
You
know
what
is
the
public
purpose
and
the
public
benefit
to
ensure
that
that
hasn't
changed
from,
for
example,
if
you
had
a
50-year
lease-
and
it
was
done
20
years
ago,
though
it
might
be
completely
different
right
now,
so
we
just
want
to
verify
all
that
as
we
move
forward,
so
that
you
have
good
information
for
discussion.
F
You
know
doing
their
best
to
serve
a
public
purpose,
but
I
really
would
like
at
some
point
to
talk
about
what
the
value
is
of
those
ground
leases
and
what
the
term
length
is
I
mean
I
agree
with
Melissa
50
years
is
a
very
long
time
or
there
ought
to
be
some
review
mechanism
so
that
we
can
reaffirm
that
they
are
doing
what
they
say.
They're
doing.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
couple
of
things
tomorrow
evening
at
6
pm
at
the
William
R
Gaines
Park,
as
the
Fallen
officer
Memorial
ceremony,
all
are
welcome
to
attend
and
Friday
morning
we
have
the
DARE
graduation.
Is
everyone
planning
on
being?
There
really
is
okay,
great
and
that's
at
9am
at
Sally,
Jones
Elementary
I
did
have
an
mpo
board
meeting
this
week
and
we
talked
about
some
of
the
fdot
projects
and
the
mpo
projects
and
they
have
removed
at
least
I.
A
Think
for
now
the
us-17
complete
streets,
Improvement
project
that
we
have
begged
them
to
take
off
the
list
for
100
years,
so
that
apparently
has
been
removed.
Fdot
had
you
all
got
copied
on
the
letter
that
we
sent
to
fdot
asking
them
if
they
would
consider
doing
some
of
their
road
construction
on
41
and
off
hours.
It's
unlikely
that
that
will
happen,
but
at
least
the
the
bug
is
in
their
ear.
So
hopefully
we
at
least
got
their
attention
with
the
problem
that
they
were
causing.
A
AB
The
other
thing
I
have
is
obviously
what
I
just
mentioned
earlier
in
the
meeting
that
I
learned
yesterday,
that
they
were
going
to
cancel
the
fireworks
for
the
Fourth
of
July
and
I
guess
the
entire
day.
So
that's
sad,
it's
been
had
for
a
long
time,
but
they
can't
find
a
barge
either.
That
was
the
other
problem,
so
they
have
to
cancel
it.
As
of
yesterday,
they're.
AB
I
Yeah
I'll
just
kind
of
echo
the
conversation
we
had
before
that
you
know
I
think
it
was
very
appropriate.
They
were
having
a
lot
of
conversations
on
where
we're
going
to
find
money
to
do
different
city
projects,
and
yet
we
have
a
lot
of
these
leases
that
are
a
dollar
a
year
for
50
years
and
I
do
again
I'm
appreciative
of
the
conversation
and
that
I
do
think.
We
need
to
look
into
that.
I
Non-Profits
have
budgets
just
as
much
as
profitable
companies
and
I
think
the
city
needs
to
to
really
be
concentrating
on
the
value
that
we
have
for
the
different
land
leases.
We
have.