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A
B
Shall
we
pray
Heavenly
Father?
We
thank
you
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
all
the
employees
who,
with
their
hard
work
and
dedication,
make
this
city
such
a
great
place
to
live.
We
pray
Lord
that
you
bless
them
father.
We
thank
you
for
our
city
officials
that
are
open
to
prayer
at
our
City
Council
meetings.
We
know
father
the
decisions
that
they
have
to
make
are
not
always
easy
and
not
always
popular.
B
A
Okay,
our
next
meeting
will
be
March,
15
2023
and
our
calendar
for
March
is
a
little
different
than
we
normally
have.
A
We
normally
meet
on
the
first
and
the
third
Wednesdays
of
each
month,
but
because
of
different
things
going
on
and
with
regard
to
our
joint
meeting
with
the
County
Commissioners,
we
will
be
meeting
on
March,
15th
and
then
again
on
March
21st,
and
then
we
will
not
have
another
meeting
until
April
19th,
so
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
be
aware
of
that.
A
A
If
you
have
personal
devices
with
you,
please
make
sure
that
they
are
silenced
or
turned
off
as
this
meeting
is
being
recorded
and
it
disrupts
proceedings
when
phones
go
off
during
the
meeting.
There's
a
Code
of
Conduct
in
the
council,
chambers
and
members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
rules
Available
to
You
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
A
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff
and
applicant
presentations
only
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
If
it
is
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
please
also
state
that
you
have
been
sworn
in.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
A
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
no
applause,
sidebar
conversations
or
booing
before
during
or
after
each
speaker.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience.
During
the
meeting,
a
copy
of
any
supporting
documents
during
the
meeting
must
be
provided
to
the
city
clerk's
office.
A
Sorry
they
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
and
retained
by
the
clerk's
office.
The
citizens
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizens
to
comment.
Only
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public,
and
with
that
we
will
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comments.
If
you
come
to
the
podium,
please
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
A
Hi
Pat
Niles
is
that
is
that
microphone
on
is
it?
Is
it
lit
green?
The
red
lights
on
then
push
the
button
and
it
should
turn
green.
C
Have
hello
record
there
you
go
okay,
the
red
light
is
still
on
okay,
but
anyway,
with
regard
to
the
microphones,
just
very
quick
on
this
good
job
with
with
the
Punta
Gorda
and
how
the
February
first
meeting
all
of
a
sudden
didn't
get
far
into
the
meeting
and
it
went
quiet,
and
that
was
the
one
that
was
put
on
the
Punta
Gorda
site
and
the
Charlotte
County
Commission
site
to
being
our
video.
C
For
that
day,
it
has
been
corrected
on
the
Punta
Gorda
site,
which
deeply
appreciate
that,
but
I
suggest
you
also
get
a
copy
of
the
good
copy
of
the
audio
for
that
February
first
meeting
over
to
the
Charlotte
County
Commission.
So
we
all
look
good
and
professional
that
we
don't
just
send
them
over
meetings
that
don't
have
video
after
the
first
10
minutes
of
the
meeting.
So
just
a
suggestion
there.
The
other
thing
that
seems
a
positive
note
here
is
I,
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions.
C
So
that's
something
to
pay
attention
to
absolutely
true.
Just
talk
with
Patty
Allen
there
who
is-
and
she
very
open,
has
given
me
her
card
and
she
because
I'm
going
to
be
speaking
at
my
meeting,
he's
invited
me
to
sit
down
and
have
a
talk
with
her.
So
it
doesn't
mean
that
I'm
walking
out
of
that
meeting,
knowing
the
building
height
for
Fisherman's
Village,
for
but
it's
showing
there's
open
communication
and
that
we
shouldn't
anticipate
what
the
outcome
will
be.
A
A
D
Yes,
my
name
is
Matthew
Ferrara,
I
I'm,
not
really
sure
this
is
my
first
meeting
I
had
applied
to
the
to
be
a
council
board
member
I'm,
not
sure,
okay,.
A
Let
me
let
me
just
make
that
introduction,
because,
yes,
you
can
stay
right
there,
okay,
at
this
time,
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
has
submitted
a
resume
for
consideration
as
a
border
committee
nominee,
you
may
come
to
the
podium
and
introduce
yourself
and
please
go
ahead.
Sir.
Okay.
D
Sure
well,
like
I
said,
my
name
is
Matthew.
Ferrara
I
moved
to
the
Punta
Gorda
area
in
June
of
2021.
I
actually
purchased.
My
house
in
June
of
2021.
would.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
Great
I
had
the
fortunate
experience
of
making
my
final
move
about
two
and
a
half
weeks
before
hurricane
Ian,
so
that
was
a
pleasant
introduction
to
the
neighborhood,
but
I
have
spent
about
29
years
of
my
life
in
the
engineering
design.
Construction
project
management
field,
I
started
off.
D
Contracting
early
on
in
college
then
went
into
working
for
engineering
design
firms
for
about
10
years
and
then
I
was
in
the
public
sector,
working
as
a
general
manager
of
projects
and
for
shops,
yards
and
facilities
for
the
Long
Island
Railroad
in
in
New
York.
So
now
I'm,
officially
a
you
know:
Punta
Gorda,
resident
and
I'm
down
here,
full
time,
I
separated
from
the
railroad
or
retired
from
them.
D
As
of
October
and
I'd
like
to
be
more
involved
in
what's
going
on
in
in
the
Punta
Gorda
area
and
the
and
you
know
in
the
community
I'd
like
to
see
if
I
could
you
know,
I
guess
provide
some
input
into
things.
D
I
I
applied
for
a
couple
of
the
canal
board
was
one
but
I
also
applied.
This
was
specifically
for
the
building
Port,
okay,
okay,
that
that's
what
the
email
I
was
responding
to
so
I,
don't
know.
If
anybody
has
any
questions
very.
D
A
E
A
A
E
G
J
K
F
F
Good
morning,
good
morning,
things
are
not
100,
but
we're
we're
getting
there.
So
just
some
general
information
on
the
CRA
report
for
Municipal
Marina
activity,
you
can
see
that
we
generally
have
about
60
boats
in
the
marina.
We
still
have
17
that
are
annuals
two
semi-annuals
monthly.
We
have
23
in
there,
which
is
a
good
thing.
Transients
we
have
nine
coming
and
going.
We
still
have
our
14
commercial
slips
that
are
filled
and
we
have
three
Moorings.
We
have
a
couple
things
that
are
going
on
in
the
marina
one.
F
Of
course
is
we
have
three
finger,
Piers
that
are
damaged,
that
needed
replaced
and
those
are
manufactured
down.
The
contractor
has
actually
stepped
up
to
give
us
a
time
when
they
would
be
able
to
start
and
replace
those
finger.
Piers
so
that'll
be
happening
in
the
near
future.
I
don't
have
that
exact
date,
but
we'll
get
those
Piers
back
in
so
that'll.
Allow
us
the
use
of
those
slips.
We
also
have
Hans
Wilson,
who
of
course,
does
our
waterwork
for
design,
engineering
and
and
evaluation
of
the
systems.
F
He
now
has
the
staff
and
is
scheduling
the
time
to
come
up
and
evaluate
the
fishing,
pier
The,
Mooring
balls
and,
of
course,
the
dock
damage
and
come
up
with
the
total
program
of
what
we
need
to
do
to
get
the
marina
back
in
top
shape.
The
at
least
that
part
of
it
The
Mooring
balls
are
an
issue
that
we
can
discuss
as
we
move
forward,
depending
on
what
we
do
with
our
total
system.
F
When
we
put
the
anchors
in
the
harbor
floor
bed,
we
can
always
increase
the
size
of
the
anchors
and
the
size
of
the
balls
that
are
anchored
to
them.
So
we
can
get
some
bigger
boats
over
there
that
are
on
The
Mooring
balls.
If
we
can't
get
60-foot
boats
in
the
marina,
we
can
make
sure
that
we
have
the
facilities
on
The
Mooring
field
or
in
The
Mooring
field
that
allow
those
size
and
tonnage
boots
to
actually
anchor
out
there.
F
So
that's
something
that
we
could
use
to
improve
the
abilities
of
the
marina
when
we
look
at
the
type
of
vessels
we
can
receive.
So
with
that,
when
we
look
at
the
total
amount
pumped
this
past
month,
you
can
see
we
had
68
vessels
of
those
any
one
was
from
out
of
Florida.
We
had
1660
gallons,
that's
still
a
lot
of
material,
that's
treated
properly
and
kept
out
of
the
harbor
to
keep
our
waterways
cleaner.
We
have
a
lot
of
boats
that
are
coming
and
going
getting
damage
repaired
from
Hurricane
Ian
and
moving
around.
F
When
we
look
at
some
of
the
projects,
we
have
the
Seymour
on
board
for
historic,
City
Hall.
The
Sea
Mar
has
is
providing
an
initial
cost
estimate
based
on
the
60
plans.
Those
60
plans
will
be
coming
to
stay
up
in
late
March,
the
cost
estimate
from
those
and
then
we'll
be
presenting
that
to
council.
F
You
know
for
that
project.
The
final
estimates
have
come
back.
We
estimated
79
80
million,
plus
there's
a
couple
million.
That
is
also
for
the
project
management
during
construction
and
the
total
amount,
including
that
2
million
that
came
back,
was
75
million
based
on
the
C
Mars
work
and
their
cost
not
to
exceed.
F
New
device
make
sure
it's
not
changing
on
here.
It's
changing
up
there
now,
so
that's
different
places,
Gilcrest
Park.
Obviously,
if
you've
seen
that
that
has
really
come
along
nicely
very
nice
amenity
for
the
community,
we
have
substantial
completion.
Walk
through
was
on
February
16th
came
up
with
a
punch
list.
That
punch
list
is
just
the
several
things
the
contractor
has
to
do
to
complete
the
project,
and
we
anticipate
that
will
be
completed
this
month
since
we're
now
March
1st,
so
Gilcrest
Park.
F
That
phase
is
essentially
complete
and
looking
very
nice,
a
lot
of
use
in
the
park,
even
the
playgrounds,
the
of
course
the
harbor
walk,
but
pickleball
everything
a
lot
of
use
there,
and
you
know
it
was
interesting.
F
I
digress,
but
I
never
really
noticed
that.
Of
course
you
have
the
pickle
plasks
out
at
the
college
and
I
was
over
at
Carmelita
Park
yesterday,
which
of
course
right
off
Carmelita,
County,
Park
and
standing
there
talking
to
someone.
They
said
what's
that
noise
and
you
could
hear
the
pickleball
being
played
the
whole
way
over
in
Carmelita
barks.
That
was
interesting.
I'd
never
really
noticed
how
far
that
sound
can
travel,
but
certainly
did
learn
a
lot
more
pickleball
courts
there,
but
it
was
noticeable.
So
that
was
interesting.
F
So,
as
we
move
on
to
AC
Freeman
house
nothing's
really
changed
from
last
time,
we're
looking
at
the
seamar
so
that
they
can
evaluate
the
scope
that
was
previously
proposed.
Look
at
the
total
cost
current
cost
that
those
type
of
improvements
would
take,
and
then
we
can
bring
that
and
all
the
local
historic
group
information
back
to
city
council
Consolidated
all
have
that
discussion.
Where
do
you
want
to
go?
F
How
do
you
want
to
get
there
and
how
do
you
want
to
fund
it
so
hopefully
by
April
May,
we'll
be
back
in
talking
about
the
EC
Freeman
house
and
where
that
has
to
go
so
that
we
can
move
that
project
forward
again.
Lastly,
Parks
Splash
Pad,
we
have
the
contractor
now
looking
at
what
the
total
cost
will
be
current
cost
for
them
to
do
the
project.
We
should
have
that
proposal
back
in
four
to
six
weeks
and
bring
that
back
to
council.
F
So
you
know
exactly
what
it's
going
to
cost
to
complete
that,
of
course
we
have
the
the
amenities
that
you
see
in
the
picture,
all
of
them
that
are
going
to
be
installed.
We
have
in
our
warehouse
we
purchase
these
say
that
we
didn't
have
an
increase
in
cost.
That
was
unexpected
on
that
end,
so
the
unexpected
increase
will
be
on
the
construction
end.
That's
what
we'll
have
to
bring
back
and
discuss
and
exactly
how
we're
going
to
fund
that,
but
another
month
or
so,
and
we
should
have
that
nailed
down
again.
F
F
There
is
and
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
Okay,
it's.
L
F
A
A
There
will
be
a
number
of
reasons
why
we
have
we're
having
an
extremely
big
problem,
with
no
seagrass
being
left
from
all
of
the
anchors
dragging
in
the
harbor
and
I
think
this
is
the
perfect
time
for
us
to
start
looking
into,
and
we've
talked
about
it
and
talked
about
it
and
talked
about
it
and
never
taken
action.
I
think
we
need
to
start
the
permitting
process
and
get
things
going.
This
is
something
that's
been
dragging
its
heels
for
a
lot
of
years
and
I
think
to
save
that.
A
What
left
what's
left
of
the
seagrass
and
hopefully
regenerate
what
could
be
seagrass
there?
Also,
we
would
have
better
control
over
the
boats
that
are
out
there
in
the
harbor
in
front
of
Gilchrist
Park.
They
will
have
to
register
with
the
city
or
whichever
entity
ends
up
managing
The
Mooring
field
once
it's
installed
and
I
think
that
would
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
start
looking
into
this
and
investigating
starting
the
permitting
process
and
if
we
can
get
Hans
Wilson
on
that,
I
think
that
this
is
The
Prudent
time.
A
But
I
think
we
should
start
looking
at
what
that's
going
to
cost
us,
because
we
have
a
huge
amount
of
groups
that
are
currently
displaced
because
of
the
hurricane
and
they
have
no
place
to
meet,
and-
and
this
is
the
time
that
we
should
be
starting-
that
planning
process
and
looking
into
what
it's
going
to
cost
and
what
type
of
a
building
we
want
to
put
in
there.
We
have
that
report
from
Dover
call.
A
Let's
go
back
to
all
of
that
information
that
we
paid
a
lot
of
money
for
and
let's
look
at
a
basic
functional
building.
This
is
just
my
opinion,
but
you
guys
can
all
chime
in
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
making
sure
that
we
have
something:
that's
a
usable,
functional
building
that
can
be
used
for
all
different
sorts
of
activities,
whether
it
be
wood,
Carvers
or
the
yoga
group,
or
the
line
dancing
group
or
whoever
needs
to
meet
there.
A
F
I
will
say
when
you
talk
about
The
Mooring
balls.
Obviously,
if
we
have
control
of
the
waters
off
our
sea
wall,
it's
certainly
a
benefit.
So
we
don't
have
that
now
and
we.
E
F
N
Brian
Clements
public
works,
so
the
the
pier
as
far
as
the
insurance
I
do
not
recall.
If
that
one
is
under
insurance,
it's
it
is
something
that
we
need
to
get
scoped
and
repaired.
N
It's
it's
on
the
list
to
do,
but
not
in
not
in
the
works.
Yet.
H
Well,
just
a
comment:
as
far
as
the
bay
front
center
I
I,
agree,
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
shame.
It
happened
the
way
it
did,
but
I
think
we
have
an
exciting
opportunity
to
rebuild
that
with
something
that
can
be
used
throughout
the
city
for
a
multitude
of
different
vendors
that
could
come
in
and
use
that,
and
so
yes,
I
think
I
agree
with
you.
100
on
that
Mark
I.
L
O
A
J
F
The
last
we
heard
last
week,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
was
as
far
as
their
sailing
program
they're
still
engaged
at
the
Docks
that
they
have.
Of
course
they
don't
use
the
city
dock
now
that
was
roped
off
to
be
removed,
but
they
do
have
their
ramp
installed.
That
goes
down
to
the
floating
docks
that
they
have
for
their
sailboats.
So
that
being
said,
any
accessibility
that
they
need
other
than
their
standard.
J
F
The
team
Punta
Gorda
was
facilitating
that
and
they
were
meeting
again
so
that
they
could
consolidate
all
that
information
and
present
it
to
us.
So
they
met
we
weren't
involved
in
the
meeting,
but
they
did
say
they
would
get
the
information
to
us
so
that
we
could
summarize
it
and
put
it
in
the
back
and
for
Council.
F
J
K
A
F
F
E
F
K
A
I'm
gonna
put
you
on
my
on
my
microphone,
so
you
can
speak
and
we'll
hopefully
get
it
into
the
system
that
way.
Okay,.
A
F
R
Ed
in
the
progress
on
the
AC
Freeman
house,
I
did
attend
the
meeting
with
Mitchell
Austin
and
the
Community
Foundation
team,
Punta
Gorda,
and
some
of
the
representatives
of
the
history
groups
and
they're
I
think
going
to
step
up
their
efforts
and
they're
mainly
focused
right
now
on
investigating
possible
operating
models
for
the
facility.
R
F
A
Okay,
all
right
Donna
did
you
have
anything
else.
You
wanted
to
add.
A
Yeah,
we
might
be
calling
her
back.
Okay,
all
right.
If
that's
the
end
of
that
report,
we'll
move
forward.
Commissioner
comments:
Mr
kuharski,
anything
Mr,
dryburg,
nothing,
Mr,
Butler,.
J
J
A
A
We
do
not
have
any
public
or
quasi-judicial
hearings
today.
So
we'll
move
on
to
ordinances
and
resolutions.
The
first
item
is
ga-01-2023.
Yes,.
A
A
J
A
R
Q
J
A
O
A
Okay:
okay,
are
we
yeah?
Okay?
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda,
which
includes
the
approval
of
the
February
15th
council
meeting
invoices
for
Ellen
Norton
and
blue
invoice
for
icard
Merrell,
and
an
mou
for
the
Florida
police,
benevolent
Association
and
the
Verandas
commitment
letter.
Anyone
wish
to
pull
anything.
J
A
T
As
part
of
the
review
process,
staff
discussion
arose
regarding
whether
the
city
would
be
well
served
by
transferring
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Duties
to
the
Planning
Commission,
which
meets
with
greater
frequency
staff,
has
found
that
many
municipalities
have
combined
their
planning
boards
with
their
zoning
appeal
boards,
which
streamlines
staff's
appointment
and
agenda
processes,
reduces
staff
time
and
offers
cost
savings
to
the
city.
T
The
city
clerk's
office
would
like
to
note
some
members
have
declined
reappointment
due
to
the
re
infrequency
of
meetings
in
order
to
transfer
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Duties
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
ordinance
Amendment
would
be
required
to
reassign
the
board
studies
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
chapter
26
of
the
penta
Court
of
code
and
a
resolution
would
be
needed
to
transfer
those
duties
to
the
commission's
bylaws
Council
approval
would
be
required
for
such
an
ordinance
and
resolution,
so
this
would
still
be
sometimes
off
if
council
is
interested
in
pursuing
it.
T
When
we
presented
this
possibility
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
we
did
have
one
member
that
suggested
she
would
like
cancel
to
reconsider.
Limiting
the
number
of
boards.
Members
can
be
appointed
to
to
try
to
help
fill
the
vacancies
that
have
been
ongoing
for
the
board
of
zoning
Appeals
and
that
member,
as
well
as
another,
expressed
concern
that
too
much
power
would
be
Consolidated
in
one
board.
Those
are
the
only
comments
we
have
received
so
far.
T
T
Can't
remember
all
of
them,
but
Joan
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Charlotte
County
has
as
well
haven't
they.
Okay.
A
A
You
know
when
I
first
got
on
Council
I
brought
this
subject
up,
because
I
served
on
both
busier
and
and
planning
and
BCA
only
meets
three
or
four
times
a
year
on
a
good
year
and
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
almost
ridiculous
to
have
a
separate
committee
that
rarely
ever
meets
half
the
time
the
board
members
when
they
do
have
a
meeting.
They
don't
come.
A
We
we're
dangerously
inclusive,
not
having
a
quorum
on
a
couple
of
occasions
and
we
we
had
a
very
hard
time
filling
seats
because
of
that,
because
people
wanted
to
be
more
actively
involved
than
three
or
four
times
a
year.
I
got
chewed
out
so
bad
about
my
request,
and
so
it
went
away
and
it
was
there
were
very
vocal
people
on
the
bza
and
the
Planning
Commission
at
the
time.
A
I
I
firmly
believe
that
this
should
be
combined,
because
it's
just
it's
a
lot
more
work
for
the
clerk's
office,
also
because
you've
got
to
maintain
two
separate
sets
of
records
and
you've
got
to
keep
recruiting
people
for
both
committees
and
with
the
amount
of
time
that
this
committee
spends
I.
Just
think
it's
not.
It's
not
worth
continuing
it
and
there
isn't
that
much.
That
goes
on
their
agendas
when
they
have
them
that
really
warrants
having
a
separate
committee.
I
would
be
in
favor
of
of
combining
them
I.
L
A
Okay,
let's
yes
go
ahead;
yeah.
S
A
while
back
I
was
I
was
asked
to
just
investigate
whether
there
was
any
legal
impediment
to
combine
to
have
the
two
boards
consolidated,
and
my
opinion
was
no
I
did
not
I
did
not
see
that,
but
I
would
before
the
city
council
adopts
an
ordinance.
I
would
ask
that
the
folks
that
are
putting
together
our
revised
Land
Development
regulations,
chime
in
to
see
if,
if
maybe
they're,
they're
proposing
to
give
even
more
responsibility
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
through
that
through
that
process.
S
A
S
T
H
S
Because
I'm,
because
I
don't
know
what
what
our
consultant
is
going
to
be
advising
with
respect
to
them,
maybe
they're
going
to
have
an
enhanced
responsibilities.
I
don't
know
I,
just
I
think
we
need
to
check
with
them
just
as
a
matter
of
of
course,
before
we
adopt
the
ordinance.
S
S
P
P
T
All
right,
we'll
coordinate
with
Urban
Design
on
that
and
when
the
time
comes,
we'll
also
reach
out
to
our
Board
of
zoning
appeals
members
to
see
if
they
would
be
interested
in
serving
on
other
City
boards.
Right.
A
F
This
was
brought
back
based
on
the
discussions
and
direction
of
city
council.
Does
a
couple
things
with
the
changes
that
are
currently
proposed,
one.
It
simply
updates
the
agreement
to
change
reporting
responsibilities,
chain
of
command,
and,
secondly,
it
adds
wording
that
allows
and
requires
Personnel
to
be
available
during
off
hours
to
address
any
emergencies
or
support
that
needs
to
occur
and
come
from
the
city
clerk's
office
during
specific
events.
So
that's
the
two
main
changes
in
the
contract
and
it's
in
response
to
city
council
discussion
previously.
H
Melissa
I
had
a
couple
questions
that
came
up
with
the
committee
and
kind
of
looking
through
this
in
regards
to
severance
pay,
a
couple
things
I
noticed
number
one:
the
verbiage
of
retirement
is
not
in
there
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
know
it
talks
about
termination
or
resigning.
How
does
retirement
affect
that?
Because
I
didn't
see
the
word
in
there.
F
H
A
H
I
would
I
would
like
to
discuss
that
I.
Just
think
it
needs
to
be
more
in
line.
I
think
that
this
hasn't
been
looked
at
in
a
while,
which
is
fine,
but
I
would
like
to
streamline
things
and
and
I
think
that
10
weeks
is
more
appropriate
than
20.
comments.
O
A
I
agree:
I
I
think
that
we,
this
is
a
benefit
that
was
in
her
compensation
package
from
her
previous
contract
and
I
would
not
want
to
change
that,
because
I
don't
want
to
take
anything
away
from
what
she
had
in
terms
of
benefits
and
and
compensation
package.
I
I
would
like
to
just
move
this
project
forward
and
and
and
get
the
new
contract
in
place
and
I.
Think.
H
A
O
G
F
O
H
Think
Bill,
that
that
wasn't
her
saying.
Q
O
O
A
A
A
S
Or
okay,
this
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
repealing
resolution
3362-18
and
improving
an
agreement
between
the
school
board
of
Charlotte,
County
Florida
and
the
city
council
for
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida
relating
to
the
school
resource
officer
program
authorizing
the
mayor
to
execute
the
agreement
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
providing
an
effective
date.
F
Is
basically
something
that
was
requested
by
the
school
board?
We
have
several
sras
right
now,
we're
looking
for
something,
that's
more
of
a
supervisory
and
floating
position
that
helps
offset
times
when
other
sras
are
not
available,
so
the
school
boards
paying
for
this
requested
it
and
it's
an
enhancement
to
the
whole
program.
Q
U
So
yeah
this.
Actually
this
actually
came
from
the
schools.
They
approached
us
and
said
that
they
would
like
to
offer
us
the
opportunity
to
have
another
SRO
added
at
their
cost.
U
It
would
be
a
seventh
SRO
and
that
person
would
be
the
supervisor
Corporal
Owens
B's
already
the
supervisor,
so
he
would
just
move
into
a
Rover
type
role
where
he
can
actually
go
supervise
and
and
add
assistance
to
the
other
sros
at
the
schools.
The
other
thing
that
happens
is
we
frequently
will
have
an
SRO
may
call
out
sick
or
may
actually
be
on
medical
leave
or
go
into
training.
U
L
So
my
understanding,
then,
is
that
the
school
district
is
paying
all
expenses,
including
salary
benefits,
equipment,
everything
and
we're
just
they're,
just
hiring
we're
kind
of
the
Hiring
Agency.
Basically
correct,
for
that.
Is
there
any
chance
that
somewhere
down
the
road,
those
costs
could
come
back
on
the
city
or
is
if
they,
if
the
city,
if
the
school
district
decides
not
to
continue,
then
we
just
sever
this
or
I.
U
Think
that
there's
always
that
chance
we
have,
they
have
been
paying
for
our
sros
for
a
long
time.
They
pay
a
certain
percentage
of
three
of
the
original
sros
than
when
the
Margaret
Stoneman
Douglas
act
happened
in
2018.
They
at
they
then
started
paying
for
100
of
three
new
sros
and
have
been
paying
since
then
so
I
think
it
ends
up
being
budgeted
into
their
budget.
So
there's
that
would
be
really
hard
if
they
pulled.
L
U
Right,
but
for
five
years
we've
had
no
issues
and
they've.
They
continue
to
pay
a
night
like
I,
said:
I
think
it
comes
from
the
state
as
well
State
money,
so
I,
don't
anticipate
them
pulling
it
at
all.
Okay,.
F
A
This
was
for
those
who
may
not
know
back
in
2018
when
the
Marjory
Stoneman
Douglas
incident
happened.
It
was
a
state
legislature
mandate
that
all
public
schools
have
sros
at
each
school
and
and
the
state
funded
it
that
first
year
from
the
state
budget
and
then
it
kind
of
rotated
down
into
the
school
districts
from
all
67
school
districts
in
the
state,
but
we're
one
of
the
only
states
that
actually
has
a
mandatory
SRO
program
so
yeah
okay.
So
we
need
a
motion.
A
Q
A
F
Mr
Simeon,
if
you
would
give
us
a
little
bit
of
information
on
that.
This
in
a
nutshell,
generally,
is
something
that's
managed
by
Charlotte
County,
and
it
gives
our
residents
the
opportunity
to
not
just
residents
but
on
our
systems
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
assistance
for
all
or
part
of
their
water
and
sewer
bills
to
be
paid
by
the
program.
I
Kristen
Simeone
Finance
director,
so
yes,
on
this
vendor
agreement,
we
would
work
with
the
county
closely
through
their
human
services
at
the
and
be
able
to
forward
either
City
residents
or
County
residents
who
have
utility
bills
that
they
may
be
getting
behind
on
and
give
them
a
resource
to
possibly
have
an
Avenue
to
help
them
pay.
Those
bills
it'll
only
pay
the
water
and
sewer.
So
if
they're
in
City
residents,
it
wouldn't
help
with
the
sanitation
if
they
were
behind
on
that.
A
O
A
Q
I
And
just
as
a
matter
of
record
on
the
previous
agenda
item,
you
did
approve
the
resolution.
We
had
also
asked
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that's
approved
adding
one
school
resource
officer
authorization,
because
Council
does
have
to
approve
that
additional
staff.
L
A
S
We
have
returned
to
the
SRO
item.
I
wanted
to
be
able
to
accurately
answer
the
question
with
respect
to
what
happens
if
the
school
board
decides
not
to
contribute
that
the
agreement
does
automatically
renew
and
either
side
does
have
the
opportunity
to
terminate
so
I
mean.
Potentially,
there
is
a
possibility
that
the
school
board
may
elect
not
to
participate
for
a
year
case.
The
answer
that
they're
obligated
will
not
actually
be
correct,
so
the
city
may
have
the
obligation
ultimately
to
fund
that
if
the
school
elects
to
not
renew
the
agreement.
T
Good
afternoon
again
quickly,
I
wanted
to
say
that
I
misspoke
in
the
previous
item
I,
was
here
for
it's,
not
Charlotte
County
that
has
combined
theirs,
but
the
cities
of
South
Daytona,
Miami,
Holly,
Hills,
Palm,
Beach,
Gardens
bundle,
Green,
Acres,
Gainesville,
St,
Augustine
and
Miami
Springs
have
combined
theirs
as
have
Okeechobee
and
Citrus
County.
So
is
everyone
still
comfortable
with
proceeding
that
direction?
Yes,.
E
T
Thank
you
and
then
under
vacancies.
Today
we
have
one
regular
and
two
alternate
seats
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
Two
regular
and
two
alternate
seats
on
the
code
of
Code
Enforcement
board,
two
alternates
on
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board
and
one
alternate
on
the
Planning
Commission
under
nominations.
We
have
one
alternate
seat
on
the
building
board:
Mr
Matthew
Ferrara,
who
made
an
introduction
earlier,
has
expressed
interest
in
serving
if
Council
desires.
You
may
nominate
and
appoint
him.
A
T
T
A
Q
L
A
F
We
can
certainly
still
have
some
discussion
regarding
different
things,
fundraising
and
things
that
I
know
are
near
and
dear
to
everyone's
heart
for
the
tree,
but
I
did
want
to
make
a
couple
comments,
one
on
our
building
permits.
We
certainly
have
been
inundated
with
the
number
of
permits
that
were
processing
when
we
do
some
comparisons
last
year
to
this
year
from
even
October
until
November
or
February
27th.
As
of
this
one,
last
year,
when
we
looked
at
screened
enclosures,
we
had
63
in
roofs.
F
We
had
a
hundred
this
year,
screened
enclosures
are
203
and
roofs
are
1334
and
some
of
those
especially
screened
enclosures
I,
know
for
a
fact
have
not
even
come
in
yet
because
there
haven't
been
contractors
that
have
been
available
to
do
the
screen
enclosure,
so
they
haven't
even
submitted
for
permits
because
no
one's
been
engaged
in,
say
when
we
look
at
new
licenses
the
license
activity
report
and,
of
course,
of
course,
this
impacts,
a
lot
of
departments.
We
had
144
last
year.
F
It
sounds
but
shuffled
paperwork
so
that
we
can
get
things
through
the
process.
A
lot
of
these
things
are
still
manual.
Inspectors
bring
tickets
in;
they
have
to
be
input
manually
back
into
the
system
instead
of
having
an
automated
system
which
we're
changing.
So
these
things
could
be
much
more
efficient,
so
we're
working
on
those.
F
Etc
so
we'll
make
sure
we
summarize
that
put
it
out
for
the
public
and
bring
it
back
to
present
the
council.
Just
so
you
have
a
clear
pictorial
of
where
we
are
with
that
and
what
may
be
excluded.
That
might
have
been
an
unintentional
consequence
if
you
think
any
changes
are
needed.
So
I
know:
Urban
Design
has
been
working
on
something
there
and
we
appreciate
that
so
that
you'll.
Q
F
F
Of
course,
we
speak
with
a
lot
of
our
local
delegation,
the
representatives
and
Senators
that
will
sponsor
our
bills,
but
ultimately
it
goes
to
the
Committees
and
the
committee
chairs
are
ones
that
really
have
a
lot
of
impact
on
what
happens
in
the
city,
not
only
just
for
what
we're
proposing,
but
also
all
the
bills
that
go
through
their
committees
that
we
may
have.
You
know
something
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
or
receive
so
making
those
contacts
knowing
who
they
are
and
letting
them
see
our
face
is
not
a
bad
thing.
F
So
we
intend
on
going
up
the
beginning
of
next
week
and
staying
until
Wednesday,
to
facilitate
some
of
these
meetings
and
be
able
to
discuss
some
of
the
opportunities
that
we
have
in
the
city
or
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
may
have
and
just
open
that
dialogue.
That
will
help
further.
What
we
do
in
April-
and
hopefully
you
know-
we
have
some
out
there
that
were
asking
for
five
and
a
half
million
five
million
on
some
2
million
on
one.
F
Yes,
so
we'll
have
three
of
us
that
will
be
going
at
this
point.
O
You
great
I
have
two
citizens
call
me
they're
waiting
for
their
permits
for
their
roofs.
In
both
cases
they
said
they
had
to
go
to
planning
and
zoning.
Why
would
a
re-roof
have
to
go
to
Planning
and
Zoning?
Is
a
question
they're
asking
and
I
couldn't
answer
it.
O
F
O
V
The
record
General
about
Urban
Design
director
and
yes,
if
they
are
changing
material
in
some
cases,
there
are
certain
areas
in
the
city
that
require
tile
or
metal
roofs
and,
if
they're
changing
that,
they
need
to
come
before
the
planning
in
to
review.
No,
while.
A
V
We
are
working
on
it.
We
have
hired
additional
inspectors
to
come
on
board.
We
have
a
plans
reviewer,
who
is
also
assisting.
Unfortunately,
one
of
our
inspectors
is
out
for
a
longer
period
of
time,
so
our
building
official
is
actually
doing
some
of
the
inspections.
We
are
hiring
additional
10
people
to
kind
of
catch
up
on
the
processing.
With
the
number
of
permits
you
know,
a
staff
of
four
people
is
now
increased
to
approximately
six
and
maybe
seven
or
eight.
The
problem
with
that
is
you
hire
a
new
person.
V
You
still
need
to
train
them,
so
that
takes
time
away
from
processing
because
you're
training
them
as
you
go
and
or
if
they're
doing
the
best
they
can
they're
working
weekends
too,
and
you
know
to
try
to
catch
up.
We've
got
one
of
our
Urban
Design
staff
members
assisting.
She
was
previously
a
building
employee.
She
is
now
assisting
with
them,
as
her
schedule
allows
to
try
to
catch
up
so
we're
we're
working
on
it.
F
Other
thing,
when
we
look
at
the
number
of
plans
that
are
coming
in
even
things
that
have
to
be
reviewed,
that
you
know
normally
were
typical
in
our
atypical,
so
we
have
a
plans
reviewer
that
is
out
doing
inspections.
We
have
to
keep
them
in
the
office
so
that
they
can
do
plans
reviews.
So
what
does
that
do
say?
We
have
a
building
official
who
normally
would
be
in
the
office.
F
Answering
phone
calls,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
people
say:
I
can't
get
her
on
the
phone
or
I
can't
get
the
building
official
on
the
phone.
That's
because
she's
out
doing
inspections
on
a
daily
basis
and
weekends.
So
you
know
we
have
all
hands
on
deck
everyone's
doing
the
work
that
you
know,
they've
been
trained
to
do
just
in
various
capacity.
This
kind
of
other
duties
as
assigned
right
now.
V
F
Are
still
for
a
very
brief
time
under
a
state
of
emergency,
but
you
know
when
we
get
back
into
normal
operations.
There
are
some
statutory
requirements
for
duration
of
residential
permits
and
different
things
that
we
still
have
to
hit.
So
you
know
we
have
to
keep
these
people
on
board
so
that
we
can
make
sure
until
you
know,
like
I
said
when
we
have
1300
grooves
instead
of
100.
You
know
that's
a
big
difference,
because
even
the
inspections,
you
know
it's
it's
going
to.
F
How
do
we
inspect
a
roof
instead
of
having
to
have
people
that
are
out
there?
If
we
have
a
building
official,
that's
out
inspecting
a
roof?
How
do
we
do
it
without
them
having
to
carry
a
heavy
ladder
and
get
up
and
inspect
the
actual
roof?
Can
we
use
any
type
of
Technology?
That's
you
know
some
things
have
to
be
physically
inspected.
So
then
you
have
to
get
someone
that
can
actually
do
that.
F
You
know:
we've
looked
at
how
we
can
purchase
light,
actually
lighter
more
compact
ladders,
necessarily
they
fit
in
different
vehicles,
and
you
know
different
people
can
carry
them.
Instead
of
the
standard
extended
height
ladder,
so
I
mean
all
of
these.
Things
are
unintended
consequences
of
having
a
severely
impacted
workload.
R
V
You
asked
about
that
and
we
have
been
moving
forward
on
that
process
for
several
weeks
now.
It
has
been
as
far
as
I
know,
purchased
and
or
but
again
the
training
on
that
now
and
then
rolling
it
out
to
the
public
will
be
will
take
time
as
well,
so
we're
moving
forward,
but
unfortunately,
as
of
right
now,
you're
not
seeing
that
progress.
F
Me
sure
it
has
given
us
the
opportunity
to
really
see
where
some
of
the
deficiencies
are
when
we
are
impacted
at
a
high
level
with
some
of
these
issues
and
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
upgrade
and
change
some
of
our
processes
to
make
it
more
efficient
and
helpful.
V
With
that,
we
have
actually
given
our
inspectors
now
they're
all
on
iPads,
so
they
are
out
our
tablets
and
they're
out
in
the
field.
Doing
actual
reviews
actual
time
inputting
the
information
so
they're
not
having
to
come
back
and
there's
no
lag
time
in
their
reporting
to
the
to
the
contractors
who
are
looking
online
for
the
information.
So
that
is
moving
forward.
Yep.
F
A
S
So
you'll
recall
that
the
two
individuals
who
were
found
to
be
in
violation
of
the
city's
sign
code
appealed
that
decision
to
Circuit
Court
and
ultimately,
the
Circuit
Court,
issued
an
opinion
stating
that
the
use
of
the
f
word
in
the
context
that
appeared
on
the
signs
did
not
constitute
indecent
language
as
it
was
defined
by
our
ordinance
and
therefore
the
judge
overturned
the
findings
of
the
code
enforcement
board
that
the
ordinance
had
been
violated.
After
that
order
was
issued.
Both
respondents
filed
a
motion
for
attorneys
fees
and
costs
with
the
court.
S
We
we
had
a
hearing
that
was
I,
think
just
before
your
last
city
council
meeting
and
subsequently
the
judge
ruled
in
our
favor
denying
the
motion
for
attorney's
fees
and
costs,
and
a
key
component
to
the
judge's
decision
in
that
case
was
that
the
city's
actions
in
adopting
the
ordinance
and
seeking
to
enforce
the
ordinance
was
not
without
Merit.
It
was
not
frivolous,
on
behalf
of
the
city
to
try
to
pursue
the
actions
that
they
did.
Although
in
that
particular
case,
the
judge
ruled
that
there
was
no
violation.
S
F
F
I
did
just
want
to
reiterate
some
of
the
side
effects
of
hurricane
Ian.
As
you
know,
it's
hard
to
get
contractors
it's
hard
to
get
people
to
do
the
work
in
the
homes
and
the
businesses
and
one
of
the.
G
F
That
that
creates
is
that
the
increase
of
Workforce
needed
in
those
disciplines
has
impacted
us
as
well.
There
are
people
that
city
employees,
some
long-term
employees
and
some
that
you
know
have
been
used
in
multiple
multiple
ways,
because
they've
been
here
long
enough
to
know
different
disciplines,
they're
going
to
some
of
the
private
sectors
that
are
now
very
busy,
at
least
for
the
time
and
are
making
a
lot
of
money
doing
it.
F
So
we
see
people
from
every
discipline,
almost
whether
it's
police
and
fire,
whether
it's
a
standard
employee
base
that
are
leaving
for
private
companies,
because
right
now
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
they're
making
a
lot
of
money
doing
it.
So
that
has
impacted
us
from
a
Personnel
perspective
and
you'll
see
some
of
that
as
we
do
our
budget
presentations
even
but
when
we
have
people
that
are
leaving
that
are
long-term
employees
that
are
going,
and
you
know
making
substantially
higher
amount
of
money,
even
as
temporary
as
it
may
or
may
not
be.
F
When
we
know
we
have
26
000
homes
in
the
surrounding
area,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
will
continue
to
be
lucrative
for
people.
It
just
impacts,
not
so
much
the
salary
and
benefit
that
we
pay,
but
sometimes
it
impacts
the
number
of
people
that
we
have
in
a
specific
area,
because
there's
people
that
are
leaving
have
done
multiple
tasks.
And
now
these
tasks
have
increased
to
a
point
where,
when
someone
leaves,
we
can't
just
assign
a
newer
person
to
it
because
they
don't
have
the
training.
F
Nor
is
it
one
of
the
requirements
that
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
so
as
we
work
through
our
budget
process
and
work
through
some
of
these
issues,
unintended
consequences
are.
It
was
already
hard
to
get
labor,
especially
government
labor,
but
now
there's
so
much
out
there
that's
being
done
that
employees
in
some
cases
are
just
going
to
other
disciplines,
changing
careers
completely
that
they
have
skill
set
in
and
really
making
at
least
temporarily
and
making
a
lot
of
money
doing
it.
A
Under
mayor's
comments,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
things.
City
managers
already
discussed
the
Tallahassee
trip
I
mentioned
at
the
last
council
meeting
that
March
16th
is
the
southwest
Florida
League
of
cities.
Lunch
is
anyone
interested
in
attending
because
I
have
got
to.
Let
them
know
how
many
people
will
be
coming.
A
Okay,
okay
and
then
I
had
a
request.
A
I
was
on
a
a
zoom
call
last
night
with
the
group
that
one
of
the
mayor's
responsibilities
is
to
participate
in
a
group
called
The,
Charlotte,
County
task
force,
and
it's
a
group
that
is
organized
for
the
benefit
of
inclusion
and
equality
and
communication
with
the
all
the
different
facets
of
the
city,
and
there
are
numerous
people
that
participate
in
the
meetings:
the
school
board,
the
police
chief,
the
mayor,
a
lot
of
people
from
the
school
district,
a
couple
of
pastors,
the
vice
principal
of
Port,
Charlotte,
High,
School,
supervisor
of
elections,
the
CCF
cell
and
a
number
of
other
people.
A
One
of
the
requests
that
I
got
last
night
in
that
meeting
was
with
regard
to
the
Cooper
Street
rec
center.
A
F
F
A
That
is
much
better.
Thank
you
and
also
that
there
are
several
seedling
tiles
missing
inside
the
building,
and
there
are
some
groups
that
are
not
allowed
to
be
in
the
building
because
of
that
and
they're
they're
trying
to
sign
up
kids
for
their
summer
camps
and
they
can't
accommodate
them
until
those
ceiling.
Tiles
are
replaced.
A
F
O
Just
to
cut
a
couple
of
few
things
with
my
committee's
airport
they're,
both
meetings,
one
they're,
regular,
meaning
in
our
planning
meeting.
One
of
the
things
that
struck
me
was
the
pastor.
Counselor
January
was
174
000
people
going
through
that
airport,
which
is
amazing,
and
then
the
total
comfort
last
year.
Now,
when
you
saw
that
or
missed
it,
it
was
1.8
million
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
that's
pretty
exciting,
also
their
new
mascot.
O
You
know
when
they
unveiled
it.
People
didn't
like
the
he
looked
too
mean
and
a
lot
of
stuff,
so
they've
changed
it.
So
he
smiles
and
has
a
better
look
about
him
and
and
he's
going
to
make
his
debut
Curtis
the
hawk
at
the
Florida
International
Air
Show
they're
going
to
to
drop
them
in
there
by
Parachute.
So
it's
over
that
also
at
the
they're
planning
a
meeting.
O
They
talked
about
their
baggage
handling
they're,
having
a
real
problem
out
there
that
what
they
got
now
handles
only
150
bags,
an
hour
they're
gonna,
where
the
old
restaurant
was
the
right.
As
you
face
the
terminal
there,
that
new
baggage
system
is
going
to
go
in
there.
It's
25
million
dollars
for
this
system,
but
it
will
handle
2
100
bags
per
hour.
So
that's
quite
a
good
deal
there
and
then
also
the
other
thing
that
I
didn't
know.
We've
learned
something
every
time
I
go
someplace
is
those
chairs.
O
L
So
I
participated
in
the
Charlotte
County
tourism
development
council
meeting
last
Friday,
and
just
a
couple
of
quick
things
that
struck
me:
John
lye
who's,
the
new
president
of
the
Florida
restaurant
and
Lodging
Association
talked
a
little
bit
about
well
I'd,
say
the
whole
meeting
was
about
hurricane
recovery.
He
spoke
specifically
about
the
Lee
County
barrier
islands
and
he
said
that
pink
shell
reopening
is
imminent
and
once
they
reopen.
The
good
news
is
that
68
percent
of
the
capacity
on
those
islands
will
be
restored.
L
The
bad
news
is
that
the
remaining
32
percent
is
long-term,
so
long-term,
meaning
18
to
24
months
or
longer
before
they
could
restore
that
Sean
Doherty.
The
director
of
the
TDC
spoke
a
little
bit
specifically
about
Charlotte
County.
We
failed
are
faring
a
little
bit
better.
We
have
75
percent
of
our
hotel
room
capacity,
reopen
90
percent
of
the
restaurants
and,
with
some
small
exceptions
we
will
probably
be
able
to
get
closer
to
100
capacity
much
sooner
than
than
the
Lee
County
Barrier
Islands.
L
What's
really
interesting
about
this
is
that
the
q1
tourist
tax
report,
q1
being
October
November
December,
was
up
11.4
percent.
Over
last
year,
and
that
entire
quarter
was
impacted
by
Hurricane
Ian,
so,
regardless
of
the
the
impacts
that
we've
had,
people
are
still
coming
and
they're
coming
in
droves.
It.
L
It
goes
right,
along
with
what
you
said
about
the
airport,
traffic
and
I,
don't
know
if
it's
good
news
or
bad
news,
but
the
other,
the
we
are
full
and
because
we're
full
supply
and
demand
the
rates
room
rates
are
way
way
up
from
where
they've
been
so.
L
You
know,
Ian
seems
to
be
good
for
Charlotte
County.
As
far
as
tourism
dollars
are
concerned,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I.
A
I
should
have
included
a
report
from
the
mpo
meeting
that
I
went
to
and
I
apologize
for
that
along
those
same
lines,
we've
noticed
a
horrible
amount
of
crazy
traffic
in
the
city
and
in
the
county
over
the
past
several
months,
but
a
lot
of
that
being
due
to
not
only
the
snowbirds
having
come
to
town,
but
the
people
that
came
to
make
sure
that
their
houses
were
okay
after
the
hurricane
and
also
the
thousands
of
contractors
that
are
migrating
through
the
city
right
now,
I
made
a
a
very
big
plea
to
the
fdot
for
part
of
their
resurfacing
project
is
to
extend
the
left
turn
lane
on
U.S
41
Northbound
at
akeesta.
A
A
He
said
it
would
be
done
sometimes
in
the
next
12
months
and
I
said.
That's
really
not
good
for
season
right
now,
because
we
need
it
now.
We
don't
need
it
12
months
from
now
I
mean
we
will
need
it
12
months
from
now,
but
it's
kind
of
a
critical
safety
issue
right
now,
so
they
are
going
to
try
to
get
it
done
in
April.
So
that's
that's
a
real
positive
step
forward.
A
We
also
had
a
lot
of
people
who
spoke
from
the
Burnt
Store
Road
Corridor,
from
that
Coalition
group
that
meets
periodically.
There
were
several
people
that
were
that
were
there
speaking
about
that
about
their
concerns
for
safety
on
Burnt,
Store
Road,
and
so
there
was.
There
was
a
lot
of
interaction
with.
There
were
there's
three
County
Commissioners
from
our
County.
A
So,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
things
that
they're
going
to
try
to
work
on
and
safety
measures
that
maybe
Incorporated
and
Lee
County
is
looking
at
finishing
up
the
four-lane
part
of
burnstore
Road
in
their
jurisdiction,
so
that
it's
a
straight
through
four-lane,
Road
and
now
they're,
even
talking
about
making
it
six
Lanes
already.
Because
four
lanes
don't
seem
to
be
cutting
it.
A
A
So
since
it
is
now
10
35,
we
have
a
Time
certain
for
our
meeting
with
regard
to
the
Christmas
tree
lighting,
so
we
will
take
a
brief
recess
and
we
will
be
back
at
11
o'clock
and
we
have
some
folks
with
us
today
that
I
would
like
for
you
each
to
introduce
yourself.
B
K
A
This
has
been
one
of
the
more
unorganized
Council
meetings
we've
had
in
a
while.
Okay.
Thank
you,
ladies
for
being
here,
we
appreciate
you
offering
to
to
work
on
this
on
the
committee
this
year
and
we
look
forward
to
a
great
event
I
want
to.
A
You
know
we.
We
all
know
that
we
had
some
issues
last
year.
We
don't
want
to
have
those
repeated.
We
know
that
there
is
a
great
opportunity
to
have
a
great
successful
event,
and
this
is
a
very
important
thing
for
our
city,
one
of
the
probably
maybe
the
highest
attendance
level
of
any
event
we
have
throughout
the
year.
So
we
will.
We
want
to
get
you
involved,
as
at
whatever
level
we
need
to
to
make
sure
that
it
goes
off
as
a
success
and
I'll
turn
this
over
to.
F
Just
as
part
of
the
discussion,
we
do
have
some
pricing
on
new
trees.
We
have
some
idea
of
what
refurbishing
the
old
tree
would
cost
and
then,
of
course,
there's
the
details
of
the
event
fundraising
where
the
city
wants
to
see
it,
Go
Etc,
so
other
than
that,
when
the
appropriate
time,
we
can
certainly
address
those
issues.
It's
really
discussion
on.
You
know
the
committee
who
wants
to
be
involved,
liaison
Direction
Etc.
A
So
I
don't
for
everybody
who
may
not
know
who
may
be
watching
the
Christmas
tree
that
we
have
is
several
years
old.
It
was
donated
to
the
city
how
many
years
ago,
bill
2011.
A
So
it's
it's!
You
know
12
years
old.
At
this
point
and
last
year,
a
year
ago,
Christmas
of
2021,
we
started
having
some
problems
with
the
lighting
in
the
tree,
and
that
was
the
first
year
we
had
the
the
webcam
set
up
on
the
on
the
street.
So
you
could
see
the
tree
and
things
going
on
in
the
downtown
during
Christmas
season
and
we
thought
it
had
been
vandalized.
A
However,
after
reviewing
the
video,
we
discovered
that
squirrels
had
gotten
into
the
tree
and
squirrels
had
chewed
the
wires
and
and
chewed
up
a
bunch
of
the
branches.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
work
that
had
to
be
done
to
restore
what
was
left
of
the
tree
when
they
got
done.
It
was
kind
of
a
comical
really,
but
it
becomes
a
fun
story
for
NBC
too
I.
Understand.
Nbc
is
here
with
us
today
and
they're
they're,
going
to
have
a
special
on
five
o'clock
about
the
tree.
So.
A
We
arrested
the
squirrels
there
in
custody
and
they're
they're
in
the
they're
in
detention
right
now,
but
but
so
anyway,
so
we
had
to
spend
about
ninety
three
hundred
dollars
to
restore
some
of
the
branches
so
that
the
tree
would
all
be
lit
for
this
past
Christmas
season,
and
that
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today.
A
Some
of
the
branches
are
lit
at
a
different
level,
from
what
the
other
branches
are,
because
we
had
to
get
new
branches
that
had
different
lights
on
them.
So
the
question
at
this
point
is:
do
we
want
to
buy
the
rest
of
the
branches
to
make
this
tree
new
branches,
or
do
we
do
we
bite
the
bullet
and
buy
a
new
tree?
So
that's
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
talk
about
today.
F
So
with
the
tree
information
we
have-
and
this
is
just
getting
general
information
and
availability-
we're
looking
at
55
to
65
000.
Now,
if
that
went
out
to
bid
of
course,
number
one,
it
would
take
a
lot
longer,
but
at
number
two
we
might
get
a
better
price.
The
branches
themselves
we
spent
about.
You
know
a
hundred
dollars,
a
branch
to
replace
115
of
them,
and
we
have
205
branches
left.
F
So
at
that
price
and
with
the
new
topper
we'd,
probably
be
in
the
at
least
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
range,
if
indeed
there
were
not
a
discount
on
top
of
that
which
may
make
it
less
but
and
it
may
even
when
we
actually
get
to
that
point,
it
may
even
be
a
little
more
if
we're
just
getting
regular
pricing,
so
25
30,
000
55
to
65
for
new
trees.
That's.
D
O
I
agree
with
what
Greg's
saying
I
did
make
contact
with
the
people
we
bought
the
tree
with
in
the
beginning,
and
they
kept
referring
back
to
the
the
structure.
What's
the
structure,
it's
sound
and
structure,
the
internal
structure
is
because
that's
a
big
chunk
of
change
in
the
overall
bid,
a
new
tree
like
we
have
now
exactly
what
like
we
have
now.
What's
it
called
a
giant.
O
Everest
is
thirty
six
thousand
dollars
if
we
just
want
to
get
a
whole
brand
new
tree,
if
we
just
replace
the
branches,
because
the
infrastructure
is
solid,
including
the
topper
the
cost,
for
that
would
be.
Nineteen
thousand
three
sixty
five
sixty
five,
and
that
would
give
us
in
this
all
branches,
all
the
all
new
up,
including
the
top
or
the
topper.
It's
a
four
foot
topper
all
with
the
same
light,
so
it
would
so
in
effect,
we'd
have
a
a
brand
new
tree
at
that
particular
Point,
except
for
the
infrastructure
inside
and.
O
At
the
discounted
price
branches
will
be
24,
30,
94.35,
Toppers
590,
the
drop
dead
date
on
those
prices
would
for
them
and
it
was
March.
31St
we'd
have
to
give
them
an
answer.
They
could
ship
as
late
as
September
was
that
September
23rd
I
still
have
it
here
in
time
for
the
city.
A
F
A
Because
we
didn't
use
the
money
that
was
in
last
year's
budget
for
that
either.
So
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
O
Okay,
okay,
the
other
thing
too,
is
that
I
pulled
up
what
we
did
back
in
2011
to
raise
the
money
most
of
the
money
came
from
downtown
businesses.
I
raised
ten
thousand
dollars
in
one
day.
That
was
pretty
easy.
We
had
these
pins
that
was
like
this
they're
they're,
a
dollar
24
a
piece
and
I
thought
this
time
around
back
then
I
think
we
sold
them
for
fifty
dollars
a
piece
and
we
did
get
a
lot
of
sales,
but
I
thought
with
the
committee.
O
If,
if
we
got
the
same
pins
and
did
it
at
20,
all
we
have
to
do
is
sell
500,
that's
ten
thousand
dollars,
so
we're
halfway
to
our
goal,
just
just
from
the
pins,
so
I
mean
there's
all
kinds
of
ways
to
do
it.
I
I
always
think
outside
the
box
and
I'm
ready
to
go
I
think
the
Board
of
Realtors
would
also
give
five
thousand
dollars
to
the
tree
because
they
did
the
last
time
around.
So.
O
O
O
L
So
a
couple
thoughts
I
agree
that
this
is
one
of
the
signature.
Events
for
the
city
and-
and
you
know
you
can
fix
the
refrigerator
or
you
can
buy
a
new
whiz-bang
refrigerator,
so
I
would
I
would
not
be
opposed.
I
mean
some
of
the
material
that
was
provided
to
us.
To
look
at
I
mean
some
of
these
trees
are
pretty
slick,
I
mean
they're,
all
LED
they're,
all
computer
generated
time
to
the
music
I
mean
you
can
really
have.
You
know
a
really
a
really
nice
event.
L
Of
course,
you're
talking
about
65
000,
rather
than
you
know,
20
or
30
000.,
I
I,
whatever
we
do
and
I
could
I
could
be
fine
with
just
fixing.
What
we
have
I
could
also
be
fine.
You
know
buying
the
best
tree
that
you
can
find
I
think
it
should
be
funded.
You
know,
through
the
501c3
that
exists
and
fundraise
through
that,
and
even
if
it
took
more
than
one
year,
I
mean
the
city.
I
have
no
problem.
L
The
city
loaning
the
money
to
the
501c3,
so
we
can
buy
the
tree
now,
have
the
right
tree,
get
it
up.
Fundraise
fundraise
fundraise
and
eventually
we
pay
pay
that
back.
I
I
would
be
okay
going
in
that
direction
as
well.
Yeah
I'm
fine
with
this,
but
but
think
think
about
I
mean
the
old
refrigerator
analogy.
I
mean:
do
you
fix
the
old
refrigerator?
You
just
buy
a
new
one.
H
So
going
through
the
option,
I
didn't
you
know,
didn't
realize
what
bill
is
going
to
bring
to
the
table
and
I
think
that
is
a
great
option
just
going
by
what
we
were
given
personally
I,
like
you
know
all
the
bells
and
whistles,
but
I'm
kind
of
from
that
old
age
of
that's
just
more
to
break
and
I
would
say
that
the
best
option,
just
looking
by
this,
if
we
do
go
with
a
new
tree,
would
probably
be
the
34
foot
that
has
the
no
music.
H
The
reason
why
I
say
no
music
is
I
believe
that
a
lot
of
the
restaurants
and
the
vendors
that
are
in
you
know
right
around
that
area
and
make
inflict
if
they
have
their
own
kind
of
things,
going
on
or
whatnot.
So
I,
like
the
fact
of
you,
know
having
the
different
color,
changings
and
whatnot
I.
H
Don't
think
we
necessarily
need
the
music
and
yes,
so
now
it's
kind
of
a
quandary,
because
you've
brought
a
very
viable
solution
to
the
table
that
if
we
go
ahead
and
replace
we
event,
we
we
essentially
have
a
new
tree
now,
because
I
think
the
point
of
the
lady
saying
was
that
the
structure
was
fine.
It's
just
the
branches,
so
you
know
we
do
have
a
an
opportunity
to
basically,
you
know,
have
a
brand
new
tree
for
half
the
cost,
but.
R
O
34
foot
one
is
nice,
our
bucket
truck
will
handle
it.
The
topper
I
think
is
two
foot
three
foot
high,
something
like
that
anyways,
but
but
I'm
just
giving
you
an
idea
if
we,
if
we
wanted
to
get
it
done
like
right
away.
This
is
something
we
could
raise.
The
money
for
or
already
have
right
away
and
we're
done,
but
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
I'm
in
and.
F
That's
what
we're
here
for
again
as
a
qualifier
with
discounted
prices
that
makes
branches
much
more
affordable,
because
we
were
looking
at
25
to
30.
So
if
we
can
get
a
discount
on
those-
and
it
can
be
done
for
20.,
that
makes
that
more
affordable.
But
we
also
have
not
looked
at
any
bit
braces
for
those
type
of
trees
itself,
other
than
a
replacement
of
the
giant
Everest.
Q
A
I
Hi
Chris
and
Simeon
Finance
director
so
current
available
and
that's
in
that
account
is
31.
800
dollars
for
holiday,
decorations
and
Brian
did
remind
me
that
we
also
need
to
upgrade
some
of
our.
D
F
L
F
L
F
As
far
as
music,
while
the
tree
itself
doesn't
provide
music,
we
do
have
a
system
now
that
underneath
the
tree,
we
provide
a
soft
music.
That's
you
can
hear
it
when
you're
in
the
general
proximity,
so
it
doesn't
overlap,
and
but
if
someone
walks
up
to
the
tree,
there's
a
generally
nice
Christmas,
music
playing.
A
G
A
Okay,
well,
there's
been
a
couple
of
different
things
that
were
mentioned.
One
is
that
a
brand
new
tree,
you
see,
you
see
the
proposal
in
the
package
for
the
council
agenda,
that
there
are
options
for
brand
new
trees,
but
they're
kind
of
over
the
top.
Some
of
them
have
music.
Some
of
them
have
flashing
lights.
A
Some
of
them
have
all
kinds
of
fancy
things
and
they're
they're
upwards
of
55
to
65
000
bill
dryburg
has
contacted
the
company
that
they
got
the
tree
from
in
2011
and
to
replace
the
remaining
branches
of
the
tree
was
going
to
be
19,
000
and
change.
Is
that
correct?
A
Q
A
A
So
so
we're
at
a
critical
point
where
we
have
to
decide.
We
do
have
some
money
in
in
the
Christmas
tree
decorations
budget
for
the
the
general
fund
budget
and
part
of
that
money
can
be
used
toward
whatever
we
choose
to
do
so.
We
kind
of
need
to
make
a
decision.
What
we
want
to
do
so.
Q
F
Some
repellent
that
we
can
try
to
use
some
of
it
might
also
repel
people
because
of
the
you
know,
the
way
that
it
works,
but
we
can
use
repellent.
We
can
hire
extra
officers
with
machine
guns.
We.
F
H
A
A
Things
I'm
just
thinking
that
I
think
that
sounds
more
reasonable
to
me
than
spending
65
000
for
a
tree.
I,
don't
I
mean
we
need
a
beautiful
tree
and,
and
we
have
a
beautiful
tree,
we
just
need
a
newer
version
of
the
current
tree.
That.
O
A
X
X
If,
if
the
new
tree
had
LED
lights-
and
it
was
a
new
tree,
I,
don't
know
that
we
would
be
able
to
use
the
old
tree.
G
X
F
F
H
A
We're
talking
about
a
tree,
that's
not
on
the
city
council
agenda
package.
This
is
Bill,
contacted
the
company
that
we
bought
the
tree
from
before,
and
it's
just
a
replacement
of
the
the
sand
tree
with
a
brand
new
tree
for
thirty
six
thousand
dollars.
A
Y
I
I
think
for
me:
I
have
questions
about
being
on
the
committee
even
before
this.
This
conversation
so
I'm
not
sure
where
to
bring
that
up
or
if
that's
a
smaller
conversation.
Y
F
A
A
A
A
H
A
And
we
do
have
some
funds
available
already
from
the
Christmas
decorating
fund
and
and
if
you
could
please
get
us-
maybe
an
exact
dollar
amount
Kristen
by
the
next
council
meeting.
So
we
have
a
number
that
we
can
at
least
start
with,
and
then
we
can
fundraise.
We
can
work
on
fundraising
for
the
rest
of
it.
F
Well,
just
in
front
purposes
of
discussion:
even
we
have
the
31
000.
So
when
we
start
getting
all
the
Christmas
decorations
back
out
and
we
see
if
anything
we
plug
in
that,
doesn't
work.
You
know
a
lot
of
times
we'll
have
to
spend
some
money
there,
but
just
assume
for
the
moment
we
have
ten
thousand
dollars
so
because
we'll
probably
have
more
than
that.
F
A
I
think
I
think
we
can
make
it
happen,
I
think
which
between
us
and
the
committee
I
think
we
can
make
this
all
happen.
If
everybody's
in
agreement,
you
guys
all
okay
with
that
yeah,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
there's
that
so
we'll
move
forward
with
that
and
Bill.
You
can
communicate
through
Greg's
office
about
taking
care
of
all
of
that.
Okay.
So
the
next
part.
A
As
far
as
the
committee
is
concerned,
Carlene,
maybe
you
can
share
with
with
these.
Ladies
exactly
what
the
duties
of
the
committee
are
and
what
their
involvement
will
need
to
be.
If
there's
a
question
about
their
involvement.
W
Clarification
so
we
probably
have
some
subject
matter:
expertise
based
on
our
past
years
of
experience,
so
I'll
explain
a
little
bit
of
that
so
far,
so
Jackie
and
I
were
primarily
concerned
with
the
decorations
on
our
previous
committee
work.
So
we
hung
the
lights
on
Marion
across
from
the
restaurants
put
out
the
photo
cutouts
set
up,
Santa
tent
the
day
of
and
those
sorts
of
things
where
our
areas
of
responsibility,
Sarah
Glover,
was
in
charge
of
the
entertainment
stage,
entertainment,
the
kids,
the
dance
acts
Etc.
W
So
we
envision
those
roles
still
occurring.
What
we
need
to
film
or
backfill
on
our
committee
is
a
is
specifically
a
fundraiser
person
and
so
I
think
that's
what
Sarah
and
everybody
wanted
to
make
clear.
That's
that's
a
slot.
We
need
to
fill,
because
that
is
not
our
area
of
expertise,
but
operationally
and
procedurally
were
your
girls.
A
I
I
think
that
that
clarifies
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
I
want
to
be
really
clear
right
from
the
get-go.
We
do
want
city
council
kept
informed
as
this
progresses
and
we
want
constant
updates.
So
we
know
what's
going
on,
we
don't
want
the
same
rehash
of
what
happened
last
year.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
all
of
the
chamber
members
are
informed
of
what
the
activities
are
going
to
be
and
what
time
and
what
location
and
the
city
council
traditionally
lights
the
tree.
A
We
would
ultimately
like
to
have
that
at
six
o'clock
and
then
because
people
complained
that
they
last
year
it
was
scheduled
for
eight
o'clock
and
that
was
way
way
too
late,
and
we
finally
got
them
to
agree
that.
Well,
they
didn't
even
agree.
They
wanted
to
keep
it
at
eight
o'clock,
so
the
city
council
did
their
own
version
of
lighting
the
tree
without
the
support
of
the
committee
and
we
lit
the
tree
at
6.
30.
W
I'll,
let
Sarah
would
like
to
speak
with
regard
to
that.
Go
ahead.
Y
Thank
you
guys
and
I
think
that's
my
concern
for
being
on
the
committee.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
vision
is
one
that
you
know
we
want
to
spend.
Our
energy
and
I
have
been
doing
this
since
Rachel
kiesling
was
in
charge
of
it.
So
I
think
it's
been
about
five
to
seven
years.
Y
That
I've
been
doing
this
so
I've
worked
with
different
people
last
year
was
the
most
frustrating
as
the
entertainment,
director
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
breakdown
of
communication
happened,
but
we
had
decided
on
a
later
time,
based
on
the
fact
that
I
am
coordinating
a
couple
hundred
of
hundred
student
volunteers
between
the
elementary
school
choirs,
the
dancers
and
all
of
that.
So
it
was
quite
an
issue
for
parents
to
get
there
that
early.
That
was
one
of
the
reasons
we
decided
to
push
the
time
back.
Y
That
was
done
in
July
and
then
Wednesday
before
Thanksgiving
I
was
asked
if
we
could
change
the
time
and
I'm
not
saying
that
that
came
from
you
guys
at
that
later
at
that
late
date.
But
that
was
the
first
time
that
I
had
heard
about
that.
I
had
already
had
a
script
written
out,
everybody
had
been
contacted
as
far
as
volunteers,
we're
talking
about
200
to
300
children
and
families,
and
school
was
already
out.
Y
If,
if
there's
that
kind
of
misunderstanding,
so
I'm
just
wanting
to
make
sure
that
this
event,
particularly
when
we
light
the
tree,
is
a
family
community
event,
that's
what
I
want
to
be
a
part
of,
and
if
so
we
would
love
to
be
a
part,
but
I
just
don't
know
how
that
breakdown
happens
and
I
would
really
love
to
have
a
voice
in
that
time
frame,
because
my
experience
with
parents
has
been
that
that
was
way
too
early
for
them
to
get
off
work
get
their
kids,
you
know
to
where
they
need
get
them
picked
up,
get
their
costumes
and
all
the
things
get
them.
Y
Downtown
parking
is
always
an
issue
driving
over
the
bridge
into
Punta.
Gorda
has
been
an
issue,
so
I
have
people
saying
hey,
I'm
coming
but
I'm
late,
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
we
pushed
the
time
back.
So
those
are
the
conflicts
that
I
feel
like
happened
this
past
year,
that
were
very
frustrating
and
so
I
just
need
to
make
sure
that
the
vision
is
clear
and
that
we're
all
clear
way
before
Wednesday
before
Thanksgiving.
Y
So
those
are
my
concerns
before
I
say
yes
to
myself
or
my
my
friend
Brandy,
who
wants
to
step
into
this
role.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
am
going
forward.
I
was
I,
was
kind
of
thinking.
I
think
that
a
little
bit
of
the
desk
disconnection
was
just
not
having
everybody
kind
of
at
the
table
when
the
planning
was
I
personally
would
volunteer
to
be
on
the
committee.
H
I
know:
there's
some
sunshine
laws
that
we'll
just
have
to
figure
out,
but
I
would
be
happy
to
be
your
volunteer
and
your
representative
and
come
to
all
the
meetings,
and
maybe
we
don't
figure
out
the
lighting
at
this
venue
right
now,
but
I
would
love
to
sit
down
and
we
could
have
a
meeting
the
next
week
or
so
and
just
kind
of
say:
okay,
here's
your
vision
and
here's.
What
we're
thinking
and
and
I
think
that
we
could,
you
know,
come
to
an
agreement,
no
problem
so
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
there
I.
A
J
A
Well,
I
I,
go
back
to
the
disconnect
from
last
year
had
to
do
with
no
information
being
shared
with
city
council
ever
at
all
and
I
found
out
that
the
week
of
the
Christmas
tree
lighting
that
it
was
scheduled,
the
lighting
was
scheduled
for
eight
o'clock
and
the
city
council
wasn't
even
going
to
be
involved
in
the
lighting
of
the
tree.
That's
just
not!
A
Okay,
that's
not
the
way
we
do
things
in
Punta
Gorda,
one
of
the
one
of
the
very
few
things
that
we
absolutely
love
to
do,
because
it's
tradition
is
that
city
council
always
lights
the
tree.
That's
that's
part
of
it
it
you
know,
even
though
it's
not
an
official
City
sanctioned
event.
It
is
a
city-sanctioned
event
and
it's
one
of
our
Signature
Events
and
and
while
we
appreciate
all
the
volunteers,
I
think
it's
important
that
the
city
council
is
incorporated
into
the
the
lighting
of
the
tree.
A
I
did
get
a
lot
of
complaints
because
of
the
the
lack
of
communication
with
the
times,
and
then
there
was
a
flyer
that
was
distributed
that
had
the
wrong
time
on
it
and
there
was
all
kinds
of
miscommunication
that
happened.
So
I
would
like
to
request
that
we
do
the
tree
lighting
no
later
than
6.
30
I
think
that's
really
important,
because
we
have
people
who
brought
their
kids
down
and
they
wanted
to
take
pictures
with
Santa
Claus.
A
They
wanted
to
have
all
of
the
activities
that
related
to
turning
the
tree
lights
on,
so
that
they
could
do
that
and
have
their
kids
home
at
a
reasonable
time
to
go
back
to
bed.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
things
we
just
have
to
make
sure
we
all
agree
upon
that,
because
eight
o'clock
is
just
simply
too
late.
It
just
is.
Y
I
just
again
I'm,
not
here
to
argue
with
you
I
just
want
you
to
know
from
our
vantage
point
that
you
were
included,
your
names
were
all
included.
That's
why
it
was
really
frustrating,
because
I
had
to
go
back
and
change
it
because
they
said
no.
You
are
going
to
do
your
thing
and
we're
doing
our
thing,
and
that
was
not
my
heart
at
all,
so
that
I
had
nothing
to
do
with
that.
Y
I'm
just
saying,
yeah
I
really
want
to
help
the
vision
come
to
life,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
my
time
is
being
used
well
and
and
that
we're
being
heard
on
this
end
of
it
and
I
had
not
felt
that
way
and
I
have
been
on
this
committee
all
these
years
and
never
met
any
of
this
city
council.
So
I
didn't
even
realize
how
it
all
worked
together.
So
those
are
things
that
were
frustrating
and
I
don't
want
to
continue
to
be
on
the
committee.
If
that's
the
way
it's
running.
Y
So
if
we
change
things
awesome
because
I
think
that
will
help,
but
you
were
all
included,
I
had
all
of
your
names
in
the
script
to
honor
and
you
know
represent
or
recognize
so
I.
Don't
again,
I,
don't
know
how
that
all
happened.
I
do
know
that
that
was
part
of
the
script
initially.
A
Y
I
think
if,
if
one
of
the
city
council
is
represented,
my
understanding
was
there.
Some
was
somebody
from
the
city
in
all
of
our
meetings,
so
I,
just
I,
guess
I'm
in
the
dark
about
that
yeah.
But
if
I
think,
if
we
do
have
somebody
that
would
that
would
be
great
because
then
we
could
really
be
on
the
same
page.
I.
H
F
Right
so
two
things:
if
I
may
you.
A
F
Thank
you
one
of
course
part
of
this
was
that
it
it
didn't
appear
that
we
ever
had
a
lighting
that
was
as
late
as
eight
o'clock
before
so
I.
Think,
that's
why
some
people
were
surprised.
So
you
know
we
can
work
that
out.
We
can
move
forward,
but
when
we
talk
about
funding
for
the
Christmas
tree,
the
main
thing
is
that
that's
only
a
portion
of
it
because
there's
funding
for
the
event
itself
and
that's
a
big
lift.
You
can
see
what
the
budget
was
in
previous
years.
F
W
So
I
really
think
the
next
step.
These
are
all
good
questions
and
I
think
the
next
step
is
for
us
to
have
a
committee
meeting,
because
we
need
to
determine
the
scope
of
activities
for
the
evening
and
that
will
determine
how
much
fundraising
needed
to
happen.
I
guess
in
my
mind
it
seems
pretty
clear
from
what's
been
discussed
today
that
you're
taking
on
the
funding
of
the
Christmas
tree
along,
you
know
to
be
paid
back,
but
is
the
city
also
backing
event
budgeting,
or
is
that
solely
the
committee's
responsibility?
Privately.
W
W
Typically,
we
do
a
post-mortem
after
our
area
this
event
and
we
talk
about
what
went
well,
what
didn't
go?
Well,
our
post
Morgan
this
year
was
kind
of
sparse,
so
we
didn't
get
a
lot
of
meat
out
of
it,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
us
know
what
that
is,
and
we
do
need
to
determine
and
kind
of
review
the
things
we
are
spending
money
on
and
do
we
need
that
many
things
in
the
space
we
now
have
because
of
the
marketplace
not
being
available
to
us.
W
F
A
G
L
So,
okay:
well
now
my
comments
change
a
little
bit,
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
why
we
have
to
change
and
make
this
city
event.
This
has
been
going
on
for
a
long
time.
It's
been
going
on
with
the
501c3
they've
been
the
committee's,
been
involved
with
it.
I
I
do
not
see
this
as
a
city
event.
I,
don't
think
this
should
be
something
that
the
city
takes
on
and
owns.
I
think
the
city
needs
to
be
involved
and
help
coordinate,
I.
L
Think
having
Melissa
on
the
committee
will
and
greatly
enhance
the
communication
that
we've
had
I
think
the
city
could
certainly
put
the
tree
up.
Take
the
tree
down,
maintain
the
tree,
but,
as
I
said
before,
if
we
want
to
replace
the
tree,
that
should
we
confront
the
money
for
that,
but
that
needs
to
be
paid
back
to
the
city.
I,
don't
think
the
city
should
be
on
the
hook
for
that.
If
there
was
no
fundraising
done
last
year
for
whatever
reason
and
now
there's
a
deficit-
and
you
may
not
be
able
to
go
forward.
L
I
would
also
be
okay
with
the
city
be
in
the
bank
and
fronting
you
money
to
go
forward
if
you're
going
to
do
fundraising
this
year
and
fundraising
next
year,
I'm.
Okay
with
that,
but
I,
do
not
I
strongly.
Do
not
feel
that
this
should
be
a
City
Event
where
the
city
runs
it.
The
city
takes
it
over
the
city
staff.
Does
all
this
work
I
think
we
need
to
coordinate?
It's
been
done
with
this
committee
for
a
long
time.
I
see
no
reason
to
change
that
relationship.
L
I
understand
that
we
had
issues
last
year,
but
I
think
we
can
fix
those
with
good
communication
and
I
I
am
more
than
willing
to
help
the
committee
through
a
rough
patch
financially.
As
long
as
we
understand
that
it's
this
is
where
the
bank
of
Punta
Gorda,
you
know
not
not
the
charity
of
Punta
Gorda.
H
We
have
it
it's.
We
have
a
lot
of
things
going
on
and
and
just
to
kind
of
streamline
it.
There
are
two
things
that
happen:
the
501c3
committee.
Basically,
their
job
was
to
just
make
downtown
look
beautiful,
bringing
in
different
children
and
events
and
and-
and
that
was
your
Forte-
we
had
the
tree
already,
so
the
tree
really
wasn't
in
the
mix,
because
we
already
had
the
tree
again
last
year
is
last
year.
Moving
forward.
H
I
think
that
one
of
the
decisions
we
need
to
make
as
a
city
is
what
how
the
expense
of
this
tree
is
going
to
come
about.
We
have
a
few
council
members
that
feel
that
maybe
it
needs
to
be
funneled.
You
know
it
needs
to
be
paid
back
to
the
city
through
the
501c3,
I,
think
the
committee
and
and
because
I
can
see
the
looks
on
your
faces.
I
don't
want
you
to
be
like,
oh,
my
goodness
we're
going
to
be
taking
on
all
this.
That's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
H
You
know
I,
think
the
the
your
committee
still
needs
to
be
the
one
that's
in
charge
of
the
vision
of
how
the
different
events
around
the
lighting
of
the
tree
is
going
to
be
and
we'll
support
you
with
that,
and
the
disconnect
will
be
done
and
everything
will
be
fine,
but
we
have
a
separate
issue
and
I
think
that's.
What
we
need
to
figure
out
today
is:
where
is
the
funding
of
the
tree
going
to
be?
H
Is
it
going
to
be
a
city
tree,
that's
going
to
be
City
funded
and
that
it's
not
going
to
be
paid
back,
we're
using
reserves
or,
however,
the
money
comes
and
it's
a
city
tree
and
life
goes
on,
or
is
it
a
city
tree,
but
yet
we're
going
to
try
to
get
donations,
whether
it
be
from
somebody
walking
up
and
handing
the
city
a
check
or
it
goes
through.
The
501c3
Mr
Levin
can
talk
more
to
that
legally
wise
and
that
I
think
is
a
bigger
decision.
H
L
Training
there's
a
there's,
a
huge
difference
between
from
from
soliciting
donations
and
I
have
I'm
not
going
to
be
the
person
in
charge
of
that.
But
I
do
have
some
experience
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
this,
and
my
understanding
is
that
if
you
fundraise
through
the
501c3
and
I
donate
or
a
business,
a
restaurant
donates,
500
or
5
000,
that's
tax
deductible
in
a
501c3
if
they
donated.
If
they
wrote
a
check
to
the
city,
that's
not
tax
deductible.
L
It
is
much
easier
to
get
people
to
donate,
to
something
if
they're
donating
to
a
501c3
and
it's
tax,
deductible
and
and
so
I
think
there's
there
and
that
may
be
on
a
legal
question.
That's
a
tax
question.
We
may
not
have
anybody
here
to
answer,
but
in
my
experience
fundraising
through
a
501c3
where
it's
tax
deductible,
you
will
get
far
more
participation
than
if
it's
not
I.
H
Agree
well,
I'm
certain
go
ahead.
Okay,
so
may
I
pose
this
question.
That
way
we
can
kind
of
move
the
conversation
along.
Do
we
as
a
city
want
to
buy
the
tree
and
it's
our
tree?
No
or
do
we
want
to
buy
it
with
trying
to
recoup
the
money?
However
Avenues
we
recoup
I,
think
that
needs
to
be
answered
right
now.
L
O
A
H
A
O
H
So
I
will
make
I
know
we're
not
necessary,
but
I
will
just
formally
make
a
motion
that
the
city
buys
the
tree
and
it
becomes
the
property
of
the
city,
and
that
would
be
my
motion.
A
A
S
And
and
while
you're
deliberating
the
motion,
I
was
asked
a
while
back
whether
the
city
had
a
lawful
authority
to
solicit
donations,
and
the
answer
is
yes,
provided
it's
for
a
public
purpose,
which
is
obvious.
S
And
so,
following
up
on
the
discussion,
I
would
be
more
comfortable
from
a
legal
perspective.
If
the
city
did
purchase
the
tree,
the
city
did
own
the
trade
and
accepted
donations
from
any
Source,
including
perhaps
what
the
committee
can
can
raise
through
its
charitable
status,
not
understand
the
fact
that
direct
donations
to
the
city
may
not
be
tax
deductible.
P
F
C
A
A
Carries
four
to
one
okay,
so
you
can
communicate
with
Mr
Murray's
office
Bill
and
get
that
in
motion.
Okay,
all
right,
so
that
will
take
some
of
the
Dilemma
out
of
the
the
committee's
responsibilities.
I
know
that
a
world
break
your
heart:
okay,.
S
L
S
Were
going
to
fundraise
and
and
reimbursement
the
way
I
suggested
it
during
the
discussion
was
that
if
the
501c3
wants
to
raise
money
and
donate
it
to
the
city,
then
that
would
be
considered
to
be
in
the
same
nature
as
a
donation
from
the
from
the
the
Board
of
Realtors.
S
Answer
right
and
I
can't
I'm
not
familiar
with
how
the
committee
is
established
and
have
been
approved
as
a
501c3
and
what
limitations
that
they
may
have.
So
I
would
ask
that
the
committee
contact
their
attorney
to
figure
that
out
as
to
whether
they
would
be
anything.
W
We
do
have
Articles
of
Incorporation
and
bylaws,
so
we
can
refer
to
that.
Possibly,
but-
and
we
are
also
advised
by
Scott
joyner's
our
CPA
and
sits
on
the
board
of
the
501
3C.
X
X
Years
ago,
when
we
were
going
to
sell
the
old
tree
to
purchase
the
new
tree,
oh
can
we
still
go
ahead
with
that?
If
you
are
going
to
purchase
a
new
tree,
can
we
still
go
ahead
with
trying
to
sell
the
old
tree,
because
we
almost
had
that
rack
wrapped
up
with
Fisherman's
Village
at
the
time
and
then
it
all
fell
fell
through?
Is.
A
O
H
Melissa
so
I
think
we've
solved.
One
issue
is
is:
is:
is
everyone
okay,
if
I
would
be
on
the
committee
and
help
as
a
liaison
from
the
city?
I
have
no
problem
with
this
and
and
I?
Thank
you
for
your
time
for
coming
in
and
make
sure
before
we
adjourn
or
freaking
hang
around
I
can
give
you
all
my
phone
numbers
and
everything
so
happened
to.
Q
H
A
Yeah
I
think
we
just
kind
of
set
the
overview
of
what's
got
to
happen,
going
forward
and
and
and
I
appreciate
your
willingness
to
work
with
us
and
and
make
this
a
successful
event.
We
really
want
it
to
be
a
great
time
for
everybody
and
it's
it's
certainly
a
signature
event
for
everybody
in
the
city:
it's
not
just
the
city,
council
or
the
city
staff
or
or
the
volunteers.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
city-wide
event
that
everybody
loves
to
participate
in,
so
I
think
it'll
be
great.
We
really
look
forward
to
it.
Thank
you.
A
A
F
Ahead
so
back
to
budgetarily
what
level
of
involvement
budgetarily
for
the
event
itself.
Are
you
comfortable
with
the
city
participating
in,
for
example,
insurances
that
were
mentioned,
the
police
and
fire
is
paid
for
by
the
committee,
so
that's
an
expense
that
someone
has
to
raise
money,
for
that
is
then
paid
to
the
city.
H
But
I
mean
as
far
as
I'm
the
case,
but
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
rest
of
it
goes
back
to
the
way
it's
always
been
done.
The
committee
is
responsible
for
the
fundraising
of
what
events
are
going
to
go
on
around
the
lighting
of
the
tree,
and
you
know
that
that's
totally
separate
I
think.
The
only
reason
why
everything
kind
of
got
a
little
conjoiled
this
year
is
because
of
the
tree
issue.
W
That's
true:
we
do
raise
the
money
that
we
spend
on
the
bounce
houses
and
you
know
all
the
rentals
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
think
what
Greg's
referring
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
the
services
provided
by
the
city
police
fire?
W
H
I
personally,
I
think
that
again,
we've
got
two.
We
have
two
events
that
night,
if
you
think
of
it,
this
way
we
have,
we
can
walk
up
to
the
tree
and
light
it
and
that
wouldn't
require
any
closures
or
anything
of
that
nature.
Then
you
have
this
wonderful
committee
that
has
put
on
a
great
event
every
year,
but
that
does
require
Lane.
You
know,
closures
and
extra
police
present
Etc,
so
I
think
that
stays
with
the
committee
yeah.
L
S
A
That
and
the
reason
that
was
brought
up
counselor
is
that
there
were
all
all
of
the
council
members
expressed
interest
in
having
some
level
of
involvement
and
participating
at
the
meetings
which,
in
which
case
they
would
have
to
be
publicly
noticed
they
would
have
to
have
minutes
taken
and
so
forth.
So
I
don't
think
we
want
to
do
that.
I
think
that
just
complicates
and
muddies
up
the
waters.
I
would
rather
I
agree.
A
I,
think
I,
think
council,
member
Lockhart
being
on
that
committee,
will
will
greatly
Bridge
the
communication
level
and
I
think
that'll
be
very
helpful
for
everybody
without
encumbering
the
whole
city
for
any
other
things
that
have
to
happen.
Everybody
agree:
okay,
okay,
very
good.
Do
we
have
anything
else?
Okay.