►
From YouTube: Regular City Council Meeting 06-01-2022
Description
Regular City Council Meeting 06-01-2022
A
B
B
B
A
And
yes,
I
would
also
like
to
echo
the
sentiments
about
chief
gibbs,
we're
very
happy
to
have
you
on
board
as
the
chief
and
look
forward
to
many
many
wonderful
events
going
on
with
your
with
you
at
the
helm,
and
I'd
also
like
to
call
attention
to
neil
peters
and
the
the
staff
at
the
water
plant
for
providing
water
for
the
memorial
day
ceremony.
It
was
very
appreciated.
A
A
C
C
You
want
to
go
up
there
and
grab
it
from
the
mayor,
so
actually
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
terry's
career.
He
has
been
in
law
enforcement
for
43
years,
so
he
started
with
the
germantown
tennessee
police
department
in
1979
through
august
of
81,
where
he
was
a
division,
uniform
division
reserve
patrol
officer.
C
He
then
went
to
the
collierville
police
department
from
august
1st
1981
to
november
10
2001,
where
he
retired.
He
was
a
patrol
officer,
cid
investigator
cid
division
sergeant
criminal.
Then
he
became
the
criminal
investigation
division
captain.
He
was
with
the
fbi
safe
streets,
bank
robbie
task
force
as
an
investigator
as
well.
C
Terry
then
went
to
the
memphis
international
airport
police
department
april
22nd
2002
to
may
3rd
2007,
where
he
was
uniform
patrol
officer
during
that
time
and
then
finally
came
to
the
best
police
department
in
the
country
upon
agora,
police
department
and
he
started
here
may
7
2007
to
obviously
now
he
was
started
out.
As
a
patrol
officer
then
was
a
detective,
a
detective
corporal
detective
lieutenant.
Then
he
went
back
to
patrol
as
a
lieutenant
and
now
he's
once
again
back
in
in
our
criminal
investigations.
C
Section
he's
had
a
number
of
awards:
special
recognition,
exceptional
duty,
exceptional
team,
the
20th
judicial
circuit
state,
attorney's
office
officer
of
the
quarter
award
and
the
chief's
award
for
job
excellence.
Terry
also
attended
the
fbi
national
academy
back
in
1994.,
but
I
just
want
to
actually
talk
a
little
bit
about
terry
personally,
when
I
came
here
to
the
police
department,
I
immediately
recognize
he.
He
is
a
very
talented
person.
C
If
you
want
somebody
to
investigate
your
case,
sorry
to
the
other
detectives
in
here,
but
but
he
is
phenomenal
and,
and
he
knows
his
stuff
and
and
he's
one
of
my
go-to
people-
that
that
when
I
need
answers
on
things,
I
can
go
right
to
terry
and
he's
able
to
provide
them.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
dedicated
service
and
what
you
do
for
the
city
and
our
department
and
our
citizens.
G
E
E
I
found
a
long
time
ago
that
it
starts
with
a
phone
call
to
the
dispatcher
and
it
works
its
way
up
the
line
and
everybody
does
their
job.
So
without
everybody
else,
from
the
person
that
answers
the
phone
and
to
you,
people
who
have
been
good
to
us
and
gave
us
what
we
need
to
operate
so
and
the
citizens
that
support
us
on
the
street
and
tell
us
how
much
they
appreciate
it.
So
it's
been
a
good
time.
Don't
know
how
long
I'll
be
here,
but
as
long
as
I'm
here,
I'm
going
to
enjoy
it.
C
C
Since
that
time
he's
been
a
member
of
the
department's
bike
team,
fto
team,
our
swat
team
with
the
joint
team
with
the
sheriff's
department,
he's
an
accreditation
assessment
member
and
is
a
department
instructor
instructor
in
several
different
areas.
He
was
recognized
as
a
corporal
in
december
of
2016
and
promoted
to
lieutenant
in
march.
2018.
C
he's
currently
the
supervisor
of
charlie
squad
and
he's
he's
also
received
a
number
of
awards
to
include
life-saving
award
officer
of
the
year
in
the
medal
of
valor
and
a
little
personal
note
about
shane.
He
actually
was
my
first,
the
first
person
I
ever
promoted
to
lieutenant.
When
I
first
got
here,
he
was
an
acting
lieutenant
and
obviously
recognized.
He
was
very
talented,
respected
by
his
peers
and
and
his
subordinates,
and
he
ended
up
becoming
the
first
person
I
really
promoted
to
lieutenant.
C
G
A
H
Good
morning
my
honor
to
read
proclamation
city
of
punta
gorda
florida,
whereas
gardeners
have
a
passion
for
nurturing
the
beauty
and
resources
of
the
earth
through
the
planting
of
seeds,
the
care
of
all
plants
and
the
riches
of
their
efforts,
and
whereas
gardeners
seek
to
add
beauty,
splendor,
fragrant,
fragrance
and
nutrition
to
our
lives
through
the
growing
of
herbs,
vegetables,
foliage
and
flowers.
And
whereas
gardeners
advocate
the
importance
of
all
creatures,
large
and
small,
that
share
our
world
and
their
roles
in
a
balanced
and
productive
ecology.
H
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
june
5th,
through
11th
2022
as
national
garden
week,
and
encourages
residents
to
acknowledge
the
importance
of
gardening
and
the
numerous
contributions
of
gardeners
and
garden
clubs
pass
and
duly
adopted.
A
regular
session.
This
first
day
of
june
2022
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
signed
lynn,
r,
matthews
mayor
and
accepting
is
going
to
be
carol.
Houston
club
president.
E
Could
I
preface
that
with
something
you
could
generally
when
we
have
an
employee
in
the
force
that
has
a
birthday
or
something
we
have
a
group
of
co-workers
that
do
something
make
sure
their
birthday's
a
special
occasion
so
for
city
council,
we're
kind
of
like
your
group
of
employees
here,
so
what
we
want
to
start
doing
and
someone
had
to
have
the
honor
of
being
the
first
and
being
embarrassed
first,
and
that
happened
to
be
miscarried.
So
I
apologize
for
that
part.
E
But
what
this
is
is
just
a
way
to
say
on
upcoming
birthdays
that
we
appreciate
the
work
that
goes
into
being
a
city
council
person
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
behind
the
scenes
that
are
go
largely
unrecognized
and
people
don't
many
times
know
how
much
work
actually
goes
into
the
number
of
hours
spent
each
week
to
do
an
effective
job
on
city
council.
So
again
it
had
to
start
somewhere,
and
it
just
so
happened
that
you
got
the
honor
of
doing
that
kind
of
coincided
with
that.
E
A
During
her
four
years
of
service.
She
has
consistently
demonstrated
her
passion,
dedication
and
commitment
to
serving
the
citizens
of
punta
gorda
and
to
upholding
the
city's
mission
to
be
the
most
desirable
place
to
live,
work
and
visit,
and
whereas
it
is
truly
a
pleasure
to
honor
debbie
carey
and
to
extend
to
her
our
best
wishes
on
the
celebration
of
her
birthday.
Now.
Therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
june
11
2022
as
debbie
carey,
day
past
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
A
D
D
A
All
right
before
we
move
on
to
public
comments,
I
do
have
a
few
housekeeping
announcements.
I'd
like
to
read:
please:
there
are
procedures
for
public
comments,
and
I
just
want
to
read
these
into
the
record.
There
is
a
code
of
contact
in
the
council
chambers.
Members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
plaque
on
the
wall
behind
the
deus,
which
is
right
there.
A
A
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak
on
a
specific
subject,
speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
A
No
applause
booing
before,
during
or
after
any
speaker,
a
copy
of
any
supporting
documents
displayed
during
the
meeting
must
be
provided
to
the
city
clerk
and
these
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
and
retained
by
the
clerk's
office.
The
city,
the
citizens,
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
Council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public,
and
with
that
we
will
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comment.
G
G
G
G
G
However,
this
allowance
is
in
direct
contradiction
to
our
noise
code:
chapter
14
sections,
one
three
and
four,
which
direct
that
these
noises
cannot
begin
until
seven
am
nowhere
in
the
coast
was
unable
to
find
any
reference
to
a
nuance
by
the
way
that
temporary,
concrete
crane
was
just
that
temporary.
It
was
not
designed
as
a
generator
or
water
pump
to
operate
for
24
hours.
It
could
have
been
placed
the
afternoon
before
or
could
have
been
placed
beginning
at
7
00.
Am.
G
G
G
G
B
Hi
I'm
jeff
lustig,
I'm
here
the
council
is
deadlocked.
Two
to
two
two
members
of
our
council
want
to
vote
to
vote
to
abort
our
master
plan.
They
are
comfortable
with
the
way
things
are.
Their
self-interest
extends
only
10
to
12
years,
based
on
what
their
constituents
want
and
based
on
their
life
expectancy.
B
I
can
understand
that
as
a
senior
citizen,
I
don't
plan
things
out
for
more
than
20
or
30
years.
On
the
other
side,
we
have
two
members
who
see
beyond
their
self-interest.
They
want
to
birth,
the
new
master
plan
for
our
next
generation
by
keeping
property
taxes
down
and
creating
new
jobs.
A
diversified
tax
base
by
following
the
master
plan
that
overcoal
has
conceived
a
plan
for
the
future.
B
B
I
believe
in
a
woman's
right
to
choose
and
that
choice
has
fallen,
unfortunately,
to
mrs
lockhart,
because
your
council
members
have
made
it
clear
they
will
not
budge
on
their
position.
I
urge
you,
ms
lockhart,
to
take
a
stand
one
way
or
another.
There
is
no
middle
ground,
we
are
pregnant
and
our
city
manager
has
told
us
that
we
have
to
make
a
decision
by
november.
B
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
A
B
A
B
A
A
E
Yes,
thank
you
mayor
I'll
start
with
the
municipal
marina
activity,
as
you
can
see
year
over
year
from
may
to
may,
if
you
aggregate
the
annual
semi-annual
monthly
transient,
et
cetera,
we're
still
pretty
much
where
we
have
been,
because
we
have
almost
full
utilization
in
our
marina
facility.
When
we
look
at
the
commercial
dedicated
spaces,
we
have
14
that
are
still
occupied
our
liveaboards.
E
You
will
see
a
reduction
from
17
to
7
from
last
year
to
this,
and
that's
mainly
due
to
the
state
regulations
and
the
renewal
of
our
permit
requiring
us
to
continue
to
enforce
the
requirements
of
the
permit
as
far
as
duration
of
the
liveaboards
that
are
in
the
marina.
So
we
have
had
several
that,
given
the
new
contracts
that
are
out
have
found
other
locations
to
or
slips
to
put
their
boats
in
and
have
moved
from
ours
to
others.
So
as
soon
as
that
settles
out,
we'll
then
begin
the
process
of
refilling.
E
What
we
have
when
we
know
exactly
where
we
stand
with
a
community
room.
We
are
getting
some
use
out
of
the
community
room
that
increases
more
since
we've
come
out
of
some
of
the
lockdowns
and
actually
is
a
very
nice
space
to
have
events
in
or
meetings
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
Actually
we've
been
using
it
quite
a
few
times
and
it
works
out
very
well
our
pump
out
comparison.
You
can
see
somewhat
from
boots
that
are
moving
and
emptying
their
tanks.
E
D
E
Historic
city,
hall,
rehabilitation:
we
do
have
the
30
plans
in
we're
waiting
on
some
of
the
cost
estimates
to
go
with
that.
We
hope
to
be
able
to
get
that
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
council
to
start
looking
at
the
concepts
they
do
have
some
very
nice
concepts.
You
can
tell
that
they've
been
engaged
in
these
type
things
before
and
with
just
even
the
orientation
of
some
of
the
things
they're
proposing.
E
You
can
tell
that
the
space
utilization
is
definitely
something
that
would
maximize
the
what
we
have
at
the
lowest
possible
cost.
So
there
are
three
different
options
that
we'll
be
able
to
discuss
when
it
gets
into
council,
we'll
put
them
all
up
and
have
the
cost
associated
with
that,
and
then
you
can
determine
what
direction
we
want
to
go
to
move
things
forward
and
stay
on
schedule
with
our
project.
E
The
gilchrist
park.
Harbor
walk
we're
moving
forward
with
that.
They
continue
to
move
forward
with
the
demolition
of
the
existing
parking
lot
work.
Obviously,
some
of
the
trees
that
came
down
were
diseased
in
some
regard.
Some
of
the
shade
trees,
especially
and
we'll,
have
a
lot
of
new
healthy
trees
going
back
up
at
the
completion
of
the
project.
E
Yesterday,
basically
so
they're
moving
into
those
areas
now,
gilchrist
and
mcgregor
of
course,
that'll
be
this
week
also
and
then
we'll
have
some
pedestrian
detours
that
are
out
there
until
the
work's
completed,
so
that
everyone
knows
where
to
park,
how
to
get
there
in
a
safe
manner
and
construction
can
continue.
So
we
get
that
project
off
the
books.
E
The
consultant
has
of
course
completed
the
update
to
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
application
that's
pending
approval,
which
will
then
allow
us
to
see
what
other
opportunities
are
available.
I
know
there's
some
community
interest
in
looking
at
alternative
methods
to
try
to
help
fund
that
project,
but
as
we
get
to
that
point
and
get
some
of
the
final
estimated
costs
in
then
we'll
bring
that
back
to
council
and
discuss,
use
and
funding
and
what
can
actually
be
done
with
that
project.
E
E
A
A
I
We
have
a
debt
service
division
which
can
only
which
only
uses
the
tax
increment
financing
that
is
received
from
the
county
in
the
city.
We
have
our
herald
court
operating
division.
So
that's
our
operating
division
for
the
parking
garage
and
the
tenants
underneath
and
then
we
have
the
cra
operating
division,
which
is
all
other
areas
of
maintenance
for
the
cra
district.
I
I
I
I
I
We
do
like
to
show
the
graph
of
our
history
of
our
taxable
value
increment,
so
we
start
in
2007
and
you
can
see
during
the
recession
we
had
the
decline
and
we've
been
going
up,
but
even
based
on
our
current
estimate
for
fiscal
year,
2023
we're
just
not
quite
there
yet
for
meeting
that
2007
number
that
we
had
back.
Then.
I
I
So
this
shows
the
pro
forma
for
the
debt
service
section,
and
you
can
see
that
the
revenues
do
exceed
the
expenditures
at
this
time.
So,
based
on
that
fact,
we
think
in
fiscal
year
2025
we
would
be
able
to
pay
off
the
debt
service
if
all
of
our
assumptions
happen.
If
the
our
assumptions
are,
if
actuals
are
actually
better
than
our
assumptions,
we
may
actually
even
be
able
to
pay
this
off
in
fiscal
year.
2024.
E
I
We
assume,
on
the
revenue
side
that
the
fgc
units
will
be
housing,
the
city,
employees
for
the
city,
clerk
and
the
finance
department.
While
this
building
gets
rehabilitated
through
2024
and
then
through
fiscal
year,
25
through
27,
we
do
estimate
one
unit
vacancy
and
that's
just
to
be
conservative.
As
you
know,
tenants
may
move
out
or
move
in.
Sometimes
it
takes
time
to
find
a
tenant
and
then
for
them
to
build
out.
I
The
space
operating
expenditures
are
per
request
for
fiscal
year
2023
and
then
in
fiscal
year
24
through
27,
we
estimate
a
three
percent
increase
in
operating,
except
for
insurance,
which
we
estimate
a
five
percent
increase
fiscal
year.
23
also
includes
the
required
sealant
to
prevent
water
intrusion
into
the
units,
and
this
is
split
between
this
division
and
the
cra
operating
division.
So
you'll
see
this
again
on
the
next
division.
I
I
I
We
do
budget
sixty
thousand
dollars
annually
for
the
fountain
maintenance.
This
may
be
reduced
in
future
years.
We
are
trying
to
see
if
city
staff
could
maybe
complete
that
item
in
our
current
economic
environment
and
with
staffing
changes
that
are
occurring
and
turnover.
We
currently
could
not
do
that.
I
B
I
E
So
the
common
area,
maintenance
is
what
all
of
the
tenants
in
there
pay
to
maintain
the
structures
and
it's
a
good
question:
the
parking
deck
etc.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
also
pay
our
fair
share,
because
it
wouldn't
be
fair
to
put
that
on
everyone
else.
So
we
are
paying
that
back
in
so
that
we
have
those
funds.
E
F
Mark
so
I
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
just
for
the
record,
if
we
pay
this
off
early
as
we're
planning
to
do,
and
then
these
funds
are
in
the
general
fund
that
would
that
that
amount
of
money
would
not
be
available
to
fund
any
kind
of
parking
structure
that
we've
been
discussing,
because
that's
already
assumed
in
the
general
fund
correct.
It's.
I
I
E
We
we
actually
do
have
the
christmas
tree,
it's
the
same
tree
that
we've
been
using.
Of
course
we
had
the
squirrel
terrorist
attack
last
year,
so
we
have
to
spend
a
substantial
amount
to
upgrade
the
branches
and
get
everything
back
in
working
order,
but
we
have
that
tree
there's.
There
has
not
been
a
new
tree
purchase,
but
the
one
that
has
been
serving
as
well.
We
had
to
get
some
new
ornaments
to
replace
some
of
the
ornaments
that
have
deteriorated
over
the
years
and
it'll
be
ready
to
go.
Come
christmas
season.
What.
E
That,
of
course,
was
done
not
from
the
city.
It
was
done
from
a
different
group,
and
initially
there
were
funds
to
have
that
purchased
by
the
time
it
got
through
the
literally
slow
boot
from
china
to
where
it
could
potentially
be
delivered.
No
one
knew
if
it
was
in
a
condition
that
it
could
be
set
up.
No
one
knew
how
to
set
up
the
new
tree.
E
A
C
A
J
J
J
Zero
zero
burnt
store
road
agora
containing
853,
477,
plus
or
minus
square
feet,
19.59
plus
or
minus
acres
identified
as
a
parcel
of
land
lying
within
section
28,
township,
41,
south
range,
23,
east
charlotte,
county
florida,
more
particularly
shown
and
described
in
exhibit
a
attached
here
too,
and
incorporated
herein
in
in
accordance
with
the
voluntary
annexation
provisions
of
section
171.044
florida
statutes,
redefining
the
boundary
lines
of
said
city
and
conformance
therewith.
Amending
the
official
boundary
map
of
the
city
of
puente
gorda
florida
directing
the
city
clerk
to
provide
certified
copies
of
this
ordinance.
B
A
A
Anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Last
call:
would
anyone
in
the
audience
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue,
move
to
close
public
hearing?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimous.
A
J
Yes,
this
is
a
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map
to
include
newly
annexed
lands
made
in
the
future
land
use
map
to
reflect
the
change
in
the
current
designation
of
low
density,
residential,
slash
county
to
mobile
homes,
city
of
a
parcel
of
land
containing
853,
477,
plus
or
minus
square
feet.
J
19.59
plus
or
minus
acres
lying
within
section,
28,
township,
41,
south
range,
23,
east
charlotte,
county
florida
being
more
particularly
described
and
shown
in
exhibit
a
attached
year
two
and
incorporated
herein
and
addressed
as
one
zero
one.
Zero
zero
burnt
store
road
wanna
go
to
florida,
providing
for
conflict
and
several
ability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
B
A
A
H
A
K
A
F
A
B
A
A
D
A
All
right
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
This
will
include
the
approval
of
the
minutes,
invoice
for
alan
norton
and
blue
invoice
for
icard
merrell
and
the
cops
hiring
grant
application.
Does
anyone
have
anything
they'd
like
to
pull
okay?
Then
we
need
a
motion
move
to
approve
consent
agenda.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously.
A
I
I
I
We
do
estimate
an
increase
of
two
percent
with
a
full
year.
So,
that's
assuming
that
the
gas
tax
holiday
is
not
become
an
annual
thing,
so
the
fiscal
year
23
through
2027,
is
balanced
with
our
subsidy
of
459
000
from
the
general
fund
at
valorum,
and
this
just
a
little
graphic
kind
of
showing
you
that
the
two
sources
of
funding
any
questions
there.
I
I
I
I
I
I
So
if,
in
the
future
years
they
start
coming
back
down
to
a
more
normal
level,
that
would
also
help
the
fiscal
year.
2027
picture
administrative
charges
are
estimated
at
a
three
percent
increase,
but
they
will
be
adjusted
based
on
updated
all
all
budget
updates.
So
we
do
that
at
the
end,
once
we
know
all
our
budgets,
so
you
could
sometimes
see
depending
if
other
funds
are
going
up
more.
You
might
see
a
decrease
in
this
fund
or
or
vice
versa,
so
it
just
depends
on
how
they
all
come
out.
F
F
It's
happening,
there's
a
lot
of
people
out
there
that
say:
well
the
infrastructure
it'll
never
be
there,
it
can't
be
there.
You
know
we
can't
we
don't
can't
power,
we
can't
charge
all
those
cars.
My
answer
to
that
is
when
henry
ford
invented
the
model
t
it
wasn't
a
gas
station
on
every
corner
either.
So
it's
coming.
We
need
to
start
thinking
about
that.
What
are
we
going
to
do
when,
when
this
really
starts
to
take
effect?
The.
B
F
I
I
I
A
I
suspect
also
before
too
long,
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
of
mandates
coming
down
from
the
federal
level
about
having
electric
cars
pay
some
sort
of
subsidy
to
road.
You
know
road
improvements,
because
that's
right
now,
they're
not
paying
for
the
fuel.
So
that's
what
covers
a
lot
of
road
improvements
for
most
municipalities,
and
I
suspect
that
there
will
be
some
something
that's
going
to
come
down
the
pike
either
from
the
federal
level
or
at
least
the
state
level.
I
Yes,
so
moving
on
to
sanitation,
we're
going
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
so
from
2006
to
2022,
you
can
see
our
personnel
are
operating
in
our
recycling
and
total
operations
from
actual
2006
to
our
projected
fiscal
year.
2022.,
so
personnel
increases
have
gone
up,
48
operating,
excluding
the
recycling,
has
gone
up.
38
percent
and
recycling
has
gone
up.
268
percent.
I
It's
important
to
note
that
our
first
rate
increase
for
the
sanitation,
refuse
and
yard
race.
Since
2006
was
in
fiscal
year,
21
of
10
cents
and
then
for
fiscal
year
2022
we
did
increase
the
refusing
yard
waste
rate
50
cents,
which
covered
the
addition
of
an
additional
staff.
Member
and
you'll
see
on
the
next
slide.
I
I
I
Excluding
recycling
is
going
up
approximately
18
and
the
biggest
part
of
that
is
fuel.
We
do
have
that
on
the
next
slide
and
then
recycling
the
estimated
increase
is
9.8
percent
and
that's
an
8.8
percent
8.08
percent
increase
in
the
rates,
as
well
as
the
number
of
units
going
up
so
making
the
9.8
percent
so
total
operations.
Overall,
9.9
percent
increase
based
on
these
factors
we're
currently
proposing
a
rate
of
25.56.
I
So
you
see
our
current
fee,
an
increase
of
a
dollar
in
the
refuse
in
yard
waste
fee
and
in
the
recycling
fee,
increase
of
51
cents
and
that's
per
the
contract.
So
the
contractor
did
ask
for
a
dollar
nine.
A
dollar
increase
procurement
worked
with
the
vendor
and
was
able
to
bring
that
down
to
51
cents
coming
up
with
the
proposed
fee,
so
fiscal
year,
23
is
balanced.
With
the
recommended
increases
again,
we
kind
of
talked
about
some
of
these.
The
recycling
increases
there.
I
Fuel
is
the
biggest
thing
that
we're
seeing
an
increase
in
our
current
diesel
rate
is
five
dollars
and
fifty
cents,
which
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
percent
increase
from
our
fiscal
year.
Twenty
one
rate
yard
waste
disposal
budget
is
increase,
is
eight
percent
and
that's
per
the
contract,
and
our
landfill
estimated
increase
currently
is
three
percent.
I
I
I
Some
challenges
this
fund
is
face
facing
is
that
attracting
retaining
employees,
especially
with
cdl
licenses,
is
very
hard
right.
Now
we
do
have
our
paying
classification
study
underway
and
any
results
of
that
or
any
decisions
made
from
that
are
not
included
in
the
proposed
budget
in
fiscal
year
2024
in
our
pro
forma,
we
did
bring
fuel
back
down
a
little
bit
again
just
to
thinking
that
we're
not
going
to
keep
those
high
prices,
but
we
don't
know
how
low
they'll
go
back
down.
I
I
I
I
We
do
give
a
comparison
of
surrounding
communities
we're
using
our
actual
2022
rates.
The
two
proposed
rates
that
we
currently
have
are
ours
and
charlotte
county,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
charlotte
county
is
once
per
week
pickup
and
you
can
see
it's
not
much
of
a
difference
between
the
puna
gorda
rate
at
twice
a
week
compared
to
charlotte
county
at
once.
A
week.
I
I
I
Another
option
is
looking
at
taking
over
a
recycling
program,
the
biggest
issue
with
that
right
now
is.
Currently
we
don't
have
the
staff
to
do
that,
and
also
if
we
do
something
like
that,
we
would
have
to
look
at
the
murphs
where
some
of
the
contracted
companies
have
their
own
dedicated
recycling
plants
where,
if
the
city
maybe
could
contract
with
one
of
those,
we
may
be
the
first
cut.
If
there's
situations
and
things
like
that,
so
it's
something
we
could
look
at,
but
it
I
don't
know
if
it
yet
is
a
fully
developed
idea.
I
H
Okay,
I
I
had
brought
this
up
yesterday
in
my
briefing
and
I
believe
staff
is
actually
already
looking
into
this.
I
really
think
the
city
needs
to
move
forward.
Cdl
licenses
have
become
very
coveted
used
to
be
a
couple
hundred
dollars,
get
a
cdl
now
we're
talking
thousands
of
dollars.
So
I
really
would
like
to
see
this
city
move
forward
with
the
program.
H
Just
like
hospitals
will
do
will
say,
hey
we'll,
go
ahead
and
hire
you
we'll
pay
for
your
cdl
license,
but
in
return
you
then
will
be
contracted
to
work
for
the
city,
for
you
know,
x,
amount
of
years
after
you've
retained
that
cdl
license,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
give
us
a
more
advantage
to
help
somebody
that
may
be
looking
into
getting
a
cdl,
maybe
can't
afford
it.
Get
ingrained
with
the
city
and
and
be
able
to.
H
F
E
Great,
we
do
have
a
requirement
for
percent
recycling
of
our
total
stream.
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
percentage
is
right
off
and
I
know
waste
management
actually
does
give
us
statistics
of
the
amount
that
is
truly
recycled
material
that
goes
through
the
murph
and
actually
into
a
recycled,
reuse
stream.
We
also.
B
E
Me
with
our
yard
waste,
that's
also
considered
a
recycling
program
that
goes,
of
course,
to
a.
They
have
a
windrow
recycling
facility
at
the
current
solid
waste
facility,
and
they
put
that
through
there
and
generate
about
110
000
tons
per
year.
I
believe
it
is
of
composted
material
that
they
then
put
back
out.
So
all
of
that's
part
of
the
recycling
and
our
requirement
to
have
a
recycling
program
and
hit
those
percentages.
F
I
I
I
find
it
a
little
disingenuous.
I
mean
a
great
job
of
staff
negotiating
that
down
from
a
dollar
nine
to
51
cents,
but
I
find
it
a
little
disingenuous
that
they
started
at
a
dollar
nine
anyway,
if
they
were
able
to
get
down
to
51
cents.
So
I
we
need
to
look
at
it
to
me
to
me
there.
It's
just
not
that
that's
needs
to
be
looked
at
debbie.
D
Is
you
know,
jacking
up
the
prices?
We
need
to
be
considering
the
fact
that
we
are
keeping
waste
collection
artificially
low
and
to
a
person.
My
advisory
team
felt
that
a
dollar
isn't
going
to
solve
anything.
We
have
shortages
of
staffing,
we
can't
get
drivers,
we
need
to
start
replacing
equipment
and
we're.
D
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
what
we
are
really
paying
for
and
what
is
the
value
you
know
what
is
the
value
of
having
yard
waste
pickup
a
lot
of
people
that
I
know
have
yard
services
and
the
yard
services
pick
it
up,
but
I
don't
and
I
don't
have
a
way
to
get
it
to
a
dump
someplace.
So
you
know
that's
a
valuable
commodity
to
me
and
we
know
from
past
experience
that
if
we
cut
it
down
to
once
a
week,
the
amount
going
to
the
landfill
is
still
the
same.
D
I
I
did
look
up
when
you
talked
about
once
a
week.
I
did
look
up
our
last
time.
We
discussed
that
and
it's
about
a
dollar
25
to
1.60
that
we
could
save
it's.
Not
it's
obviously
not
split
in
half
because
again
the
same
amount
of
waste
is
there
the
garbage
trucks
get
full
faster,
so
you
have
to
create
additional
roots.
A
D
F
So
a
couple
comments.
First
of
all,
I
would
absolutely
be
against
going
to
once
a
week.
We
absolutely
have
to
have
two
end
of
end
of
story
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
As
far
as
as
I'm
not
hanging
this
on
waste
management,
I
think
yes,
if,
if
the
pro
for
the
pro
forma
balances,
that's
where
I'm
a
little
bit
confused,
because
the
performer
balances
and
and
the
reserves
are
still
there
slightly
less
at
the
end,
but
it
still
balances.
F
So
if,
if
we
are
artificially
holding
that
down,
holding
the
what
we're
paying
our
people
with
our
equipment,
if
we're
artificially
holding
that
down
to
balance
this,
then
yeah,
we
ought
to
look
at
that.
But,
regardless
of
that,
when
you
see
a
300
increase
in
anything,
you
got
to
start
asking
questions
and
I
think
it's
a
separate
concern.
So,
yes,
I
would
be
in
favor
of
paying
are
charging
as
a
citizen,
I'd
be
willing
to
pay
for
the
service
of
what
its
value,
and
I
would
like
to
keep
it
the
service
levels
as
they
are.
F
F
So
if
we
need,
if
we
need,
if
we're
artificially
holding
it
down,
let's
absolutely
let's
look
at
what
it
would
take
to
make
sure
that
we
have
staff
that
we
have
equipment
and
we're
not
running
ourselves
down
into
the
ground.
You
know
that
we're
going
to
wind
up
wishing
we've
done
something
now.
You
know
10
years
from
now
that
that's
okay,
but
we
still
have
to
look
at
the
waste.
I
A
I
don't
disagree
with
melissa
to
some
extent.
Maybe
we
have
to
have
some
money
built
into
the
budget
to
accommodate
assisting,
maybe
not
paying
the
full
amount
for
a
cdl,
but
but
assisting
people
who
are
interested
in
becoming
an
employee
of
the
city,
and
maybe
we
can
look
at
that
as
an
option
too,
but
I
do
think
we're
having
a
severe
staffing
shortage
in
that
department.
A
So
that's
something
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
my
belief
is
absolutely
we
don't
change
to
once
a
week
garbage
pickup,
I
mean
we've
had
this
discussion
ad
nauseam
since
I've
been
on
council
and
joha
can
attest
he's
been
here
too.
You
know,
there's
no
reason
to
change
to
once
a
week
for
the
little
mere
difference
from
us
to
the
county,
what
they
pay
every
year
once
a
week,
it's
it's
just
ridiculously
minuscule
compared
to
the
overall
cost.
So
I
would
absolutely
insist
that
we
keep
it
at
once.
A
A
I
think
I
think
that
you
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
other
municipalities
around
us
who
are
on
the
news
all
the
time
and
they
can't
get
their
trash
picked
up,
and
some
people
are
actually
having
to
cart
old
furniture
to
a
dump
so
that
they
can
get
rid
of
their
trash
that
that
could
be
possibly
recycled
in
other
cities.
You
know
I
I
just.
I
just
think
I
understand
the
issue
about
how
much
the
increase
is,
but
that's
that's
reality.
In
this
day
and
age
I
mean
everything
is
increasing.
A
I
think
it
would
be
detrimental
to
the
city
to
do
that,
because,
right
now,
when
you've
got
two
guys
on
the
truck
or
ladies,
if
there
are
any,
if
you've
got
two
people
on
the
truck
one
can
be
driving
and
one
can
be
running
around
picking
up
all
the
stuff.
That's
on
the
ground.
I
can
tell
you
unequivocally
every
single
time
I
drive
down
the
streets
on
a
garbage
day.
A
There
are
dozens
and
dozens
of
residents
who
just
throw
bags
out
of
the
street
and
my
husband's
guilty
of
it
from
time
to
time
I
always
say
get
the
card
out.
There
get
the
card
out
there,
but
you
know
they.
They
shouldn't
have
to
pick
stuff
off
off
the
ground,
but
that's
the
nature
of
people
if
they
think
they
only
have
one
bag,
they
put
the
bag
out
at
the
curb
and
not
the
cart.
I
think
it
would
be
just
a
big
detriment
if
we
tried
to
convert
all
of
that
to
single
operator
trucks.
K
I
I
E
D
Yeah,
okay,
debbie!
Well,
I
think
if
we
we
don't
need
a
pace
study
to
tell
us
that
we've
got
to
increase
salaries
in
this
department
in
order
to
keep
people,
because
we
know
that
they're
going
to
other
municipalities
and
making
a
lot
more
money.
So
in
order
to
keep
people,
we've
got
to
at
least
at
least
try
to
be
competitive.
D
E
We
want
to
be
defendable,
but
you
know
unfortunately-
and
I
know
you
knew
this
too,
but
it's
very
visible
when
you
come
to
sanitation,
because
if
that
truck
misses
a
route
or
whatever
you
have
thousands
of
people
that
you
know
know
it,
but
we
have
other
departments
that
are
likewise
just
as
as
deficient
in
you
know
the
salary
levels,
personnel
turnover,
it's
just
departments,
you
can
go
to
water
and
sewer.
You
never
see
that.
But
it's
the
same
issue
same
amount
of
turnover
and
it's
just
the
wholesale.
E
D
I
just
want
to
say
one
thing
that
I
notice
is
that
when
we
first
moved
here,
we
had
the
same
people
on
our
trash
route.
For
almost,
I
would
say
six
years,
and
we
have
somebody
different
almost
every
week
now
and
to
me
that
that's
a
big
change,
because
when
it's
when
it's
somebody
that
you
know
you
give
christmas
gifts
to,
and
you
know
about
their
kids,
that's-
and
this
is
true-
because
my
husband
goes
out
and
talks
to
them.
D
K
D
E
K
Two
things
one
on
the
recycling
side.
I
think
one
thing
and
I
guess
stay
in
the
box,
but
basically
we
do
it
to
be
thankful.
We
have
a
recycling
program
because
there
are
communities
who
don't
have
them
anymore,
because
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
our
residents
actually
being
good
recyclers
like
what
they
put
into
the
bins
actually
is
able
to
be
recycled
as
opposed
to
costing
a
lot
more.
So
that's.
K
Two
with
the
cdl
side,
the
supply
chain,
issues
that
we
found
in
the
country
this
last
year.
They
were
largely
based
on
truck
lack
of
truck
drivers,
and
I
think
we
do
have
to
make
sure
we
are
competitive
with
our
cdl
holders
that
we
pay
them
enough,
but
also
again,
like
melissa,
said
we
need
to
get
more
in
because
this
is
a
very
valuable
commodity
in
this
time.
Right
now,.
E
A
A
B
B
B
The
reasoning
behind
this
is
over
the
last
two
months.
Commodity
markets,
including
agricultural
and
fertilizer
sectors,
have
been
significantly
affected
by
the
russia,
ukraine
conflict
and,
as
a
result,
this
the
cost
of
elemental
sulfur,
has
increased
dramatically,
which
directly
increases
costs
to
the
manufacture
of
sulfuric
acid.
B
The
company
has
been
subject
to
multiple
increases
and
is
passing
on
those
costs
to
us,
the
consumer.
The
estimated
annual
expenditure
on
this
current
contract
is
currently
261
414
dollars
and
with
the
increase
the
average
will
increase
to
three
hundred
and
sixteen
thousand
three
hundred
and
ten
dollars
and
ninety
four
cents.
B
And
their
money,
let's
check
the
cpa.
What
we
do
is
a
calendar
reminder
for
each
contract.
It'll.
Let
us
the
alert
says
that
it
needs
to
be
looked
at.
We
we
review
the
cpa,
anything
that
they
provided
as
backup
for
their
increase
will
be
reviewed
to
see
if
there's
a
change
if
it
goes
up
or
down
and
then
we'll
reach
out
to
them
to
see.
If
they
you
know,
I
mean
we
can
automatically
remove
it
as
we've
discussed
previously,
but
usually
we
reach
out
to
them
for
negotiation.
E
And
we
did
just
look
at
this
contract
in
january,
it
was,
you
know,
came
to
council
for
the
contract
itself
and
you
know
it's
just
a
cost,
that's
being
passed
on
dust
like
everything
else
and
we
do
have
you
know
you
have
options
you
can
always
have
termination
closes
and
contracts
etc.
But
if
you
put
it
out
to
bid
we're
not
going
to
be
any
better,
it
might
even
be
worse.
B
Yeah
I
did
reach
out
and
they
had
some
current
bids
for
the
same
product
were
coming
in
hannah
county
in
georgia,
which
is
a
similar
size
to
us.
It
was
coming
in
at
438.95
per
dry
ton
and
the
cns
were
low
better
at
gainesville
the
price
there
is
412
per
drydon,
with
the
next
lowest
bidder
being
429..
B
A
B
C
A
E
And
if
I
could
before
this
starts
just
a
preface,
I
know
many
of
us,
the
mayor
myself
have
attended
each
one
of
these
meetings
and
I
know
I
could
send
them
to
many
when
we
want
to
thank
the
charter
review
committee
for
all
the
work
they
put
into
this,
because
it's
not
an
easy
task
to
evaluate
and
identify
all
this
and
then
make
subsequent
recommendations.
So
thank
you
for
the
time
you
took.
I
know
the
pay
wasn't
that
good.
L
Well,
you're
welcome
nancy,
prafke,
pontegorta
resident
and
member
of
the
charter
review
committee.
Thank
you
greg.
It
was
certainly
an
honor
and
privilege
to
serve
on
the
charter
review
committee,
and
I
know
that
the
I
can
speak
for
all
of
the
committee
members.
We
enjoy
the
experience,
and
so
I
want
to
just
brief
you.
I
know
you
can
read
the
document
that
is
attached,
but
I
want
to
brief
you
for
the
video
for
those
listening.
L
That
may
not
read
the
document
on
what
we
what
we
did
as
a
committee.
We
said
we
are
not
about
expanding
the
charter,
we
want
to
keep
it
simple,
and
so
we
had
a
number
of
items
that
were
brought
to
us
that
we
looked
at.
We
said:
no,
you
know
it
really.
The
charter
isn't
that
that
area
of
the
charter
doesn't
seem
to
be
broken,
or
we
don't
want
to
to
work
on
that.
That
area.
There
were
some
items
that
we
said.
L
They
really
don't
belong
in
the
charter,
and
there
were
two
items
that
in
the
document
that
was
prepared
by
derek
rooney
that
were
mentioned,
one
is
developing
further
local
incentives
and
set
aside
additional
funds
to
relocate
and
preserve
historical
structures
in
the
city,
cities
designated
historic
zones.
We
thought
that
that
really
didn't
need
to
be
something
that
would
be
in
the
charter.
It
was
something
the
council
can
do,
they
can
can
do
today.
It
just
doesn't
need
to
be
in
a
charter,
and
so
the
charter
needs
to
be.
L
Another
one
was
the
implementation
of
local
economic
development
incentives
to
attract
investment
and
employment
within
the
city
in
support
of
the
council's
present
efforts
to
diversify
the
city's
tax
base
through
proposed
land
use
changes
again
we
didn't
know.
We
didn't
really
feel
that
that
needed
to
be
in
the
charter,
but
it
is
something
that
that
the
city
council
can
act
upon
and
we
actually
recommend
that
you
could
consider
putting
an
economic
development
ad
alarm
exemption
on
the
ballot
question.
So
you
could
have
your
own
referendum
question
this
fall.
L
That
would
ask
residents,
would
you
be
willing
to
have
an
ad
valorem
exemption
for
economic
development?
We've
actually
used
that
in
the
past,
so
we
used
it.
When
we
annexed
the
it
was
the
wilder
property.
There
was
the
loop
when
it
became
the
the
current
property
down
where
the
development's
going
on
with
the
apartment,
complex,
and
so
when
that
was
annexed
into
the
city
by
terracap.
L
We
used
advertise
exemption
at
that
point
in
time,
so
to
cut
to
the
chase
on
what
are
the
four
things
that
we
really
did
decide
to
do
so
the
first
one
was.
We
decided
that
it
was
a
unanimous
decision
that
we
should
extend
council
member
terms
from
two
years
to
four
years,
and
we
talked
about
this
a
lot
there
were
some
on
the
side
of
it.
Well,
two
years
is
is
good,
because
if
we
don't
like
this
person,
we
can
vote
them
out
of
office.
L
The
fact
is,
most
council
members
serve
four
years
at
a
minimum.
You
know.
John
miller
was
an
exception,
who
only
served
two
years
two
years
for
a
health
reason,
so
four
years
also
seems
to
be
more
the
norm
for
the
florida
league
of
cities
of
the
411
municipalities
in
the
state
of
florida.
The
majority
have
a
four-year
term,
not
two
years
and
it's
trending
toward
four
years.
L
L
I
think
the
budget
is
forty
thousand
dollars
to
hold
an
election
so
that
money
can
be
used
for
other
things.
In
addition,
it
causes
an
already
lean
operation
to
have
to
do
something
unusual
and
run
an
election,
which
is
a
very
difficult
thing
to
do.
So
we
propose
that
the
elections
be
held
on
even
numbered
years
in
november,
and
we
use
the
supervisor
elections
office
to
do
that.
L
We
talked
about.
Should
those
be
two
separate
referendum
items
and
we
said
no,
they
really
needed
to
be
one
because
if
the,
if
the
electorate
said
we
like
the
idea
of
having
our
elections
on
even-numbered
years,
and
so
we
can
save
the
city
some
money,
but
we
don't
vote
for
the
four-year
term
for
the
council.
That
means
we
would
end
up
having.
We
could
end
up
having
council
elections
at
the
same
time
every
year.
So
all
five
people
could
be
new
people
and
trust
me
there
are.
L
There
are
a
couple
of
municipalities
in
the
state
of
florida
where
they
do
that
and
I'm
sure.
If
you
talk
to
the
florida
league
of
cities,
they
will
advise
you
it's
chaotic.
So
having
staggered
terms
like
we
do
is
a
very
positive
thing.
So
we've
accommodated
that
and
those
council
members
who
are
up
for
election
this
year.
L
L
The
next
referendum
item
is
for
council
pay.
We
felt
that
the
current
pay
is
not
enough
and
we
talked
about
well.
How
much
should
it
be?
And
we
really
we
actually
wanted
to
make
it
even
more
than
than
what
we
were
recommending,
but
we
felt
like
it's
too
much
of
a
jump
to
to
jump
beyond
going
from
20
percent
of
accounts
of
the
county
commission
pay
to
30
percent
to
even
have
it
a
number
bigger
than
that
that
that
the
electorate
might
look
at
that
as
in
question
it.
L
We
know
how
much
more
work
the
mayor
does
do
how
many
more
times
the
mayor
is
asked
to
do
something,
how
many
more
emails
the
mayor
gets,
because
they
want
to
talk
to
the
mayor.
So
I
know
that
personally
and
so-
and
we
know
I
know
from
personal
experience,
how
demanding
the
job
of
a
city
council.
Member
really
is,
and
it's
it's
a
7
by
24
responsibility
and
we
need
to
compensate
accordingly.
L
I
wish
we
could
offer
more.
There
are
many
municipalities
that
do
offer
more,
but
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction.
It
also
it
would
help
encourage
participation
by
younger
population
so
to
diversify
the
council
member,
the
council
membership.
So
that
is
the
third
item,
and
the
fourth
item
actually
is
well
actually.
The
third
item
is
the
county
using
the
county,
canvassing
board
for
non-city
elections,
and
so
when
we
have
a
a
a
county,
commission
or
excuse
me
am
a
city
election
we
are
actually
it
was
right
now.
L
So
when
lynn-
and
I
did
it
with
karen
as
the
city
clerk
and
so
what
we
recommended
is
that
instead
of
the
city
manager,
that
we
use
the
city,
the
supervisor
of
elections
along
with
the
mayor
and
the
city
clerk,
and
we
thought
that
that
was
a
a
reasonable
alternative.
So
that
is
item
number
three
and
then
the
last
one
is
just
more
scrivener's
theirs.
It
clarifies
the
issue
of.
When
do
the
council
members
actually
are?
When
are
they
actually
sworn
into
office?
Right
now?
It's
conflicting
in
the
in
the
charter.
L
In
one
area
it
says
they're
sworn
in
to
office
the
first
meeting
after
the
election.
I
know
that's
when
I
got
sworn
in,
but
it's
another
area.
It
says,
after
the
their
votes
are
certified,
so
that
question
came
up
in
an
election,
and
so
we
have
clarified
the
language
that
council
members
are
seated
after
the
results
are
certified
that
mean
that
still
doesn't
dictate
the
date
when
councilmember
is
actually
sworn
in,
because
in
the
case
of
melissa
and
mark
you
did
not
have
opposition.
L
So
you
were
sworn
in
the
first
meeting
after
the
election
and
because
there
were
no
results
to
certify
had
you
had
opposition
and
there
had
been
a
vote,
then
that
would
be
a
different
story.
So
that's
what
we
have
come
up
with
and
we
hope
that
you
know
you
like
what
we've
done
and
I
will
entertain
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
Any
questions
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
to
all
of
you
who
for
serving
on
that
committee.
I
know
it
was
a
lot
of
work
and
it
took
a
lot
of
time
and
it
was
very
well
thought
out
very
well
executed
and
it
was
good
to
have
derek
rooney
on
that
committee,
because
he
was
very
helpful
in
drafting
language
and
and
all
of
that
so
and
thanks
to
dave
levin
also
for
participating
in
those
meetings.
A
L
You're
welcome.
It
was
unanimous
on
the
things
that
are
going
on
the
ballot,
and
I
appreciate
david
coming
in
and
raising
some
issues.
I
know
he
had
a
question
as
to
why
we
were
including
two
items
on
the
same
referendum
item,
and
so
when
we
explained
to
him
that
we
had
discussed
that
he
missed
the
meeting
that
we
actually
discussed,
why
we
were
combining
two
and
he
said,
then
that
made
sense.
L
F
I
agree
and
support
with
everything
the
committee
came
up
with.
I
have
a
question
back
on
that
ad
alarm
thing
that
you
mentioned
early
on
when
you
did
that
the
exemption-
and
maybe
I'm
not
sure
who
I'm
asking
the
question
of
and
greg's
not
here,
but
when
you
did
that
that
particular
question
had
to
be
put
to
the
voters
correct.
L
A
L
L
A
F
Think
it's
important
that
the
council
does
have
that
authority
is
because,
if
you
had,
if
you're
working
with
the
developer,
trying
to
get
things
moving
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
to
wait
for
maybe
a
year
or
two.
So
you
could
put
a
question
like
that
about
it
and
that
blows
the
whole
thing
apart.
L
It
may
go
back
to
state
statutes.
It's
like
one
of
the
questions
I
got
asked
was
well,
so
if
we
elect
a
council
member
for
four
years
and
what
what
do
we
do,
if
we
want
to
recall
them,
well
that's
covered
in
the
state
statute.
It
is
mentioned
in
our
city
charter,
but
you
have
to
follow
the
state
statute
which,
which
covers
the
recall
for
all
municipalities,
and
there
is
a
specific
state
statute
for
that.
L
J
Right
so
for
the
benefit
of
the
city
council,
but
we
probably
already
know,
but
for
the
folks
that
are
watching
the
city
council
does
not
have
the
discretion
to
decide
whether
they
agree
or
disagree.
With
the
proposed
amendments
that
were
presented
by
to
our
review
committee,
the
city
council
is
obligated
to
put
them
on
adopt
an
ordinance
which
actually
puts
them
on
the
ballot
for
consideration
by
the
city
council
by
the
by
the
voters.
So.
L
Very
close
yeah,
it
wasn't,
it
was,
I
think,
between
having
my
previous
council
experience
and
having
him
as
a.
He
actually
is
a
city
attorney
for
bonita
springs
and
has
served
with
other
municipalities
as
well.
So
he's
got
a
lot
of
experience,
so
it
was
a.
We
had
some
really
good
discussions,
and
I
appreciate
you
coming
mayor
and,
and
the
city
manager
being
there
as
well
to
you
know,
answer
any
questions
or
provide
a
comment
when
we
needed
it.
So
that
was
great.
All.
A
A
B
H
C
H
K
D
H
A
I
asked
for
this
to
be
put
on
the
agenda
today,
because
the
city
council
members
have
been
requested
to
attend
a
lot
of
community
events
in
the
last
couple
of
years
that
council
members
never
previously,
it
went
to
as
an
example.
One
of
the
things
that
that
we
were
invited
to
go
to
last
fall
was
the
teacher
of
the
year
banquet
and
because
it
was
considered
to
be
a
fundraiser,
it
was
deemed
to
be
non-reimbursable
to
a
city
council
member.
A
I've
done
quite
a
bit
of
research
with
other
councils
of
the
southwest
florida
league
of
cities.
Members
and
I
have
I've,
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
from
a
lot
of
the
other
cities
of
what
they
are
doing.
So
I
asked
for
for
this
to
be
brought
up,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
currently
get
reimbursed
for
at
the
city
rates
is
mileage,
reimbursement
of
44
cents,
a
mile
with
the
cost
of
fuel
being
475
a
gallon.
Now
we
are
not
even
getting
what
the
state's
allowable
mileage
allowance
is.
A
I
mean
excuse
me
tallahassee
if
we're
going
to
the
legislature,
so
those
kinds
of
things
will
make
a
huge
difference
on
the
part
of
a
council
member's
out-of-pocket
expenses,
and
I
don't
feel
that
it's
appropriate
that
a
council
member,
when
they're
representing
the
city,
should
have
to
pay
out
of
their
pocket
to
participate
in
various
community
events.
Either.
A
There's
another
one
coming
up,
which
is
the
public
service
awards
banquet,
and
even
though
that
is
a
fundraiser
one
of
the
host
agencies.
For
that
event
is,
and
a
recipient
of
some
of
the
the
money
for
the
banquet
happens
to
be
our
host
agency
of
the
punta
gorda
police
department,
who
hosts
the
do
the
right
thing
program
and
because
that's
a
fundraiser,
I
was
told
that
it
is
not
reimbursable.
A
Most
of
the
cities
have
a
flat
amount
of
money
that
each
council
member
is
allocated
on
an
annual
basis
and
they
can
pull
from
that
fund
to
attend
various
events,
to
use
it
for
mileage,
to
use
it
for
hotels,
to
use
it
for
registration
fees
for
education,
any
of
the
things
that
they
have
to
do
attending
all
the
community
events
and
so
forth.
So
I
would
just
like
to
see
us,
even
though
we
I'm
not
officially
requesting
that
we
completely
revise
the
whole
travel
policy
right
now
with
the
cost
of
fuel.
A
A
I
think
we're
all
very
visible
in
the
community
as
council,
members
and
elected
officials,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
have
a
very
big
presence
in
the
community
when
things
are
going
on
that
that
we're
part
of
I
mean
the
school
district
having
the
teacher
of
the
year
banquet
is
a
very
big
deal,
and
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
people
came
up
to
me
that
night
and
said.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
This
is
the
first
time
anybody
from
the
city's
ever
come.
A
L
D
I
I
D
Wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
okay
to
get
reimbursed
separately.
I
I
think
we
should,
because
I
mean
you
know
by
the
time
you
go
to
45,
ribbon
cuttings
and
six
dinners
and
all
the
other
stuff
we
have
to
go
to.
I
checked
last
year
on
on
our
thing
and
the
end
of
the
pandemic
year.
Even
I
spent
1700
of
my
own
money
attending
things
or
paying
for
things,
and
you
know
you
guys
all
saw
what
we
make
in
the
paper.
I
A
That's
what
we
get
separate
reimbursement
for
so
like
when
I
go
to
the
florida
league
of
cities,
lunches
southwest
florida,
league
of
cities,
lunches
or
if
jaha
goes
to
a
meeting
for
one
of
the
committees
he
sits
on
for
at
the
state
level.
Those
are
those
are
outside
allowances
for
mileage.
But,
yes,
you
do
get
a
standard
allowance.
All
council
members
get
a
standard
allowance
on
their
on
their
paychecks
twice
a
month.
D
A
A
Now,
I'm
not
saying
that
we
have
to
go
with
that
kind
of
a
monetary
amount,
but
the
only
thing
that
that
they
don't
pay
out
of
that.
No
actually,
everything
comes
out
of
that
in
their
in
their
budget.
It's
air,
hotel,
meals,
mileage,
it's
everything,
registration
fees,
all
kinds
of
things
and
they
are
free
to
use
that
for
anything
except
for
partisan
events.
So
I
would.
I
would
stick
with
that
rule
also
mark.
F
So
a
couple
comments.
First
of
all,
I
I
agree
with
everything
you're
saying
I
I
think
we
should
be
at
events,
but
the
very
first
question
I
ask,
and
karen
knows
I
said
who's
paying
and
if
she
says
city's
paying,
then
I'm
gonna
try
every
everything
I
can
to
go.
If
she
says
you're
paying,
then
I
probably
have
something
else
to
do
that
day.
F
So
I
I
I
think
that
that
and
and
what
what
the
the
charter
committee
did
not
withstanding,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
doesn't
come
close
right
and
I
don't
know
how
people
that
are
working
could
put
in
all
the
time
and
effort
that
they
do
on
top
of
their
real
job.
You
know
to
to
spend
all
the
time
that's
required
to
do
this
so
that
that
doesn't
even
come
close
and
I
I'm
I'm
not
interested
in
spending
a
lot
of
my
own
money
to
go.
Do
things
on
behalf
of
the
city,
I'm
I'm
more.
F
As
long
as
the
city
is
going
to
pay,
the
freight
I'll
be
happy
to
represent
and
put
my
name
tag
on
and
be
there.
I
do
think
that
that's
an
outstanding
idea
in
my
professional
career,
I
had
groups
of
people
working
for
me
several
different
times,
and
that
is
exactly
what
I
did.
I
I
was
the
one
responsible
for
the
budget,
but
I
split
up
the
budget
gave
him
the
budget.
F
I
said
I
don't
care
if
you
eat
a
mcdonald's
and
stay
at
the
ritz
or
if
you
eat
in
morton's
and
sleep
in
your
car
right.
It
doesn't
matter
to
me,
but
this
is
what
you
get
and
don't
overspend
it
or
you
won't
be
here
tomorrow,
so
that
and
that
worked
very
well-
and
I
think
that's
that's
an
adult
way
to
to
handle
this.
You
know
rather
than
you
know,
individual
little.
F
H
H
A
Well,
they
have
to
turn
in
receipts
that
gets
credited
toward
their
account.
Okay
and
and
all
of
those
receipts
are
totaled
up,
and
if
they
get
to
the
point
where
they're
going
to
exceed
their
amount,
they
have,
they
won't
get
reimbursed
anymore
unless
they
bring
it
to
the
city.
Council
and
city
council
approves
an
over
expenditure
in
their
account.
H
A
And-
and
I
think
the
community
events
thing
is
a
really
big
deal,
I
really,
I
feel
very
strongly.
Maybe
previous
councils
didn't
do
a
lot
of
that,
but
we
are
doing
a
lot
of
that.
We're
almost
all
out
there
and-
and
you
know
talking
to
residents
in
the
community
and
participating
in
community
events
and
whether
it's
the
public
safety
awards,
whether
whether
it's
the
police,
annual
awards
banquet
or
anything
that
that
costs
money
and
if
we're
there
representing
the
city,
I
think
I
think
that
should
be
considered
as
well.
B
D
K
H
A
H
H
A
A
I
I
Okay,
now
it's
waking
up,
okay,
so
we're
giving
you
an
update
on
the
bsi
canal,
maintenance
district
and
we're
going
to
start
with
again
the
history
of
assessments
and
and
kind
of
what
we've
seen
again.
This
is
just
from
2007
to
2022,
but
again,
there's
a
lot
more
history.
Prior
to
that,
if
we
had
looked
back
further,
you
do
see
there
was
a
dredging
assessment
rate
in
this
fund
in
2017
through
2020.
I
I
I
The
ten
percent
match
undefined
contribution
plan
and
estimated
increases
for
health
insurance
of
six
percent
and
workers
comp
at
ten
percent
general
liability
at
five
percent.
We
do
currently
have
in
the
plan.
Approximately
twelve
hundred
linear
fee
of
seawall
replacement,
estimated
at
a
five
percent
increase
and
administration
is
estimated
at
three
percent
and
again
we
will
update
that
once
all
buttons
are
completed
for
the
projections
for
twenty
four
through
twenty
seven,
we
left
inlet
dredging
at
thirty
thousand
per
year.
I
The
contracted
seawall
assessment
is
ten
thousand
dollars
every
other
year,
and
that
is
something
new.
Previously
staff
has
been
doing
that
work,
but
with
the
amount
of
work
that
they're
doing,
they
think
it's
time
to
contract.
That
out
estimated
increases
for
sea
walls
is
three
percent
and
again
the
same
standards
for
pension
and
merits.
Liability
assurance
are
all
the
same.
I
I
The
channel
corner
winding
project
again
starting
that
project
and
it
would
take
several
years
and
then
the
inlet
widing
barge
access.
This
project
was
approved
in
the
fiscal
year
22
budget.
The
total
project
estimated
at
that
time
was
580
000.
80
000
was
the
has
already
been
spent.
That
was
the
engineering
and
design
and
it
was
500
000
for
construction.
I
L
I
I
If
an
additional
worker
was
approved
for
panel
production,
would
it
was
approximately
7
percent,
so
the
pgi
canal
advisory
board
did
recommend
approving
that
additional
worker
which
would
affect
the
bsi
as
well,
and
the
costs
the
increase
in
the
sea
wall
program
to
replace
more
lineal
feet
as
presented
through
the
seawall
study.
So
it's
not
in
the
base
pro
forma,
but
we'll
give
you
some
options
that
were
recommended
and
they
were
included
in
the
the
recommended
slides.
I
And
again,
this
fund
did
have
a
separately
designated
reserve.
They
were
taking
45
000
annually
out
of
their
560
operating
assessments
and
putting
it
aside
for
special
projects
as
part
of
the
fiscal
year
22
budget.
They
said,
let's
use
those
funds
that
had
been
accumulated
to
date,
plus
the
funds
that
would
be
accumulated
over
the
five-year
period
to
get
that
barge
inlet,
winding
access
project
done,
but
based
on
the
base
pro
forma.
I
So
here's
the
base
pro
forma
and
in
the
base
performa,
you
can
see
that
by
fiscal
year
2026
the
reserves
are
just
very
low
in
fiscal
year.
27
there
are
negative,
so
something
would
have
to
be
done,
but
this
was
just
to
get
a
look
of
what
things
were.
Looking
like
for
the
five
years,
the
items
below
the
line
were
the
things
that
were
not
approved
at
the
time
or
recommended
when
we
were
first
showing
the
board.
I
And
how
that
would
affect
it.
So,
as
part
of
the
discussion,
the
canal
maintenance
advisory
board
has
suggested
for
the
barge
exit
access,
inlet,
winding
project
borrowing,
the
funds
through
an
interfund
loan
like
they
did
for
the
canal
rim,
dredging
project
and
then
paying
it
back
over
time.
So
they
did
recommend
a
hundred
dollar
assessment
to
get
that
started
and
then,
in
the
pro
forma.
The
next
four
years
would
be
ninety
dollars
to
cover
the
the
reimbursement.
I
I
F
I
F
I
B
F
I
Okay
on
the
channel
corner,
winding
project.
They
have
no
recommendation
at
this
time,
but
to
continue
reviewing
the
project
and
continuing
to
look
for
alternatives
and
the
same
thing
with
the
land
acquisition
for
staging
areas.
No
recommendation
at
this
time,
but
to
continue
to
review
the
project
and
look
at
alternatives.
I
I
Personnel
costs
going
up
things
like
that,
so
putting
the
inflation
area
in
you
can
kind
of
see
what
that
does
to
the
pro
forma.
It
gets
you
a
little
closer
2027
is
a
little
low,
but
we
also
do
have
the
reserve
for
contingency
and
that's
in
both
the
previous
pro
forma
as
well
as
this
pro
forma,
and
if
that
reserve
for
contingency
is
not
used
that
will
drop
back
down
to
the
fund
balance
each
year.
I
E
I
A
I
A
But
my
I
have
a
I
have
two
concerns.
We
have
actually
a
lot
of
concerns,
but
the
first
being
the
school
board
is
going
for
another
one
mil
increase
this
year
on
the
tax
bill.
That's
going
to
be
a
major
thing
for
most
people
in
bsi
and
pgi
seminole
lakes
and
burnt
storm
meadows,
you're,
looking
at
a
thousand
dollar
increase
on
your
taxes.
A
F
F
F
You
know
as
a
great
thing
because
it
cleared
out
a
lot
of
seawall
and
we
didn't
have
to
pay
for
it.
The
federal
government
and
the
state
paid
the
vast
majority
of
that,
but
irma
should
have
been
a
wake-up
call
because
you
don't
have
to
have
a
named
storm
to
have
that
happen
again.
It
could
happen
this
weekend.
If
we
get
five
or
six
inches
of
rain,
like
they're
predicting
could
happen
and
you
have
a
low
water
event.
F
At
the
same
time,
you
could
have
a
catastrophic
failure
without
a
widespread,
catastrophic
failure
without
a
named
storm
and
the
fema
is
not
going
to
come
in
and
take
care
of
that.
The
other
thing
that
I'm
not
sure
everybody
is
aware
of
is
that
fema
when
they
replace
the
wall.
That's
it
one
time
forever
and
if
you
have,
my
lot
goes
down
and
greg
lives
next
to
me,
and
he
has
a
brand
new
fema
paid
wall.
But
my
lot
takes
his
wall
down
too,
which
could
very
well
happen.
Guess
who
pays
for
his
lot?
F
F
The
tragedy
could
be
is
if
we
don't
do
something
now,
then
down
the
road
for
our
children
and
our
grandchildren.
Whoever
is
going
to
move
here
after
us
we're
just
going
to
kick
the
can
down
the
road
to
them,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
much
bigger
problem
for
them.
So
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm
sensitive
to
the
increases,
but
the
reality
is
what
the
reality
is
and
and
if
we
don't
get
on
this
and
start
getting
ahead
of
this
curve.
F
B
Again,
kathy
miller
canal
maintenance.
I
appreciate
your
concern
about
the
funds,
but
on
slide
11,
which
showed
the
condition
the
amount
of
lineal
feet
of
number
five
walls.
We
show
that
there
is
1
624
feet
with
that
200
increase.
We
should
be
able
to
take
care
of
all
those
number
five
walls.
Those
number
five
walls
are
water
line,
cracks,
they're
serious
conditioned
walls,
bernster
isles
was
built
on
a
rock
shelf
and-
and
you
know
those
are
ticking
time
bombs.
E
F
F
But
we
still
for
the
longer
term.
We
still
have
this,
the
the
balance
of
all
these
walls
to
do
in
both
districts
that
that
we
have
to
think
not
just
for
today,
but
we
have
to
think
long
term,
and
the
mayor
makes
a
very
good
point
is
that
we
don't
have
the
infrastructure
to
to
do
that
now.
Well,
guess
what
this
is
going
to
happen,
so
we
need
to
get
that
infrastructure.
F
If
we
need
to
build
more
sea
walls,
we
got
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it
and
we
need
to
figure
it
out
fast
and
and
mcg.
They
probably
don't
have
enough
barges
and
people
and
cranes
and
everything
else
to
do
this.
Well
guess
what
their
contract
needs
to
include
that
going
forward
that
if
you
want
this
contract,
you
need
to
ramp
up,
because
we
got
a
lot
of
wall
to
replace
in
a
very
short
period
of
time.
F
So
it
starts
with
re
the
realization
that
we
have
a
very,
very
serious
problem
here
in
both
districts,
and
we
need
to
start
taking
steps
to
do
that
step.
One
is
you
gotta
pay
for
it
step
two?
Is
you
gotta
get
the
infrastructure,
and
then
you
gotta
do
it
and
hope
in
the
meantime,
that
we
don't
have
an
unnamed
storm
that
takes
out
a
whole
bunch
of
wall,
because
that
that
will
happen
as
sure
as
I'm
sitting
here,
melissa.
H
A
couple
comments
to
that-
I
you
know
in
in
sitting
and
watching
with
the
sea
walls,
and-
and
yes,
I
think
it
needs
to
happen.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
enough,
I'm
afraid
we're
going
to
be
coming
back
and
asking
for
more,
but
right
now
something
needs
to
happen,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
I'm
concerned
about
problem
with
sea
walls.
H
So
if
that
wall
takes
out
your
property
and
your
boat
and
your
your
lift,
then
you've
got
more
problems
than
just
your
wall
failing.
So
I
look
at
that
as
well,
and
I
do
know
that
it
is
all
these
rates
look
large.
They
are
yearly
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
what
it
would
cost
as
a
consumer.
If
I
was
in
cape
coral,
let's
say,
and
how
to
do
it
myself
and
I
think
we
came
up
with
at
least
a
60
to
70
thousand
dollar
per
owner.
H
If
I
owned
a
property
right
now,
my
seawall
failed,
I
would
have
to
figure
out
where
that
sixty
thousand
dollars
was
going
to
come
from.
So
I
think,
looking
at
that
from
that
perspective,
that
this
is
not
a
lot
to
ask.
I
do
know
it's
upsetting,
but
it's
not
a
lot
to
ask
in
order
to
try
to
keep
the
conditions.
So
we
don't
have
catastrophic
failures.
D
One
of
the
one
other
thing
that
I
attended
the
bsi
meeting
and
I'm
really
surprised
it
was
this
low
because
there
were
people
there
who
were
willing
to
pay
what
it
was
going
to
take
to
fix
it.
So
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
pushback
from
the
bsi
folks
this
this
you
know
when
they
saw
the
numbers
and
the
two
members
of
the
canal
advisory
board
got
up
and
spoke.
They
were
willing
to
go
even
higher
and
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
listen
to
them.
A
E
A
F
So,
just
to
comment
that
council
person
lockhart
made
with
regarding
insurance.
If
your
wall
goes
down,
your
insurance
did
not
cover
your
dock.
It
doesn't
cover
your
lift
if
you're
lucky,
your
boat
insurance
might
cover
the
boat
if
that
gets
damaged.
But
if,
if
the
wall
goes
down,
it's
on
you
all
of
it
so
be
a
be
aware.
This
is
this.
Is
this
little
bit
of?
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
really
it's
not
a
tax.
It's
not
an
assessment.
It's
insurance
policy,
you're
buying
an
insurance
policy
to
make
sure
it's
not
your
wall.
F
L
K
Real
I
mean
this
is
the
thing
where
I
I
agree
with
with
everyone
and
that
this
this
is
not
a
desirable
situation,
but
this
is
probably
why
we're
the
only
city
that
does
this
is
because
of
the
fact
that
long
term,
this
is
very
expensive,
pretty
much
we're
taking
on.
I
mean
you
know
we're
taking
on
what
would
cost
a
homeowner
60
to
80
000
and
we're
reducing
it
to
as
manageable
possible
an
assessment
a
year
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
that's.
E
E
F
B
E
I
I
H
If
I
may
ask
a
question
with
that,
I
know
somebody
on
my
committee.
Their
concern
was
that
not
maybe
everybody
in
that
community
may
not
be
aware
this
is
going
on,
even
though
we
have
had
meetings
about
it.
So,
if
whatever
direction,
we
give
you
today
technically
there's
still
an
opportunity
for
bsi
residents
to
to
chime
in
with
the
maintenance
canal
committee.
If
they
want
correct.
I
B
H
I
You
might
want
to
go
with
the
recommended,
with
inflation
just
for
our
budget
book,
so
we're
not
showing
the
negative
amount
out
there
or
you
can
say
hey.
I
want
to
see.
We
want
to
see
it
a
phased
approach.
You
know
and
start
increasing
that
some
more
it
was
just
something
again.
We
don't
like
to
show
negatives,
I
mean
we
don't
mind
showing
again
they
were
in
the
future
years,
but
we
do
recognize.
We
have
to
keep
up
with
inflation
at
this
point
and.
F
H
I
I
Yes,
and
and-
and
let
me
just
be
clear
so
with
the
inflation
part
every
year-
we
go
through
this
process
and
they
said
that
they
would
obviously
look
at
it
next
year
about
what
they
might
recommend
for
an
increase
for
more
seawall.
So
it's
not
even
if
we
put
the
inflationary
in
it's
not
to
say
that
you
won't
see
another
increase
next
year.
It's
just
for
our
pro
forma.
Look.
We
want
to
recognize.
We
really
need
to
keep
up
with
that.
A
I
H
A
I
Okay,
so
chris
and
simeone
again
to
present
for
this,
can
we
just
kind
of
give
you
the
history
again
for
the
assessment
rate,
so
this
rate
did
have
an
additional
assessment
in
19
and
20
for
the
hurricane
irma
again
for
that
five
percent.
Originally,
when
we
first
were
starting
the
project,
it
was
going
to
be
over
four
years,
but
fema
had
increased
the
percentage
because
originally
it
was
75
percent
that
they
were
covering
plus
12
and
a
half
half
percent
from
the
state.
So
we
did
drop
off
two
years
from
that
additional
assessment.
I
Again
we're
going
to
start
with
the
base
and
then
go
over
the
recommendations,
so
the
operating
assessments
at
650
for
all
years,
the
again
riprap
medication
will
be
is
in
fiscal
year.
2022
would
be
carried
over
to
fiscal
year,
23
waiting
for
the
permitting
on
that
project,
same
type
of
increases,
so
the
four
percent
merit
pension
is
per
schedule.
10
percent
match,
on
the
defined
contribution
plan,
estimated
increases
of
six
percent
on
health,
health
insurance,
10
percent
workers,
compensate
insurance
and
5
percent
for
the
liability
insurance.
I
I
I
They
did
request
one
additional
staff-
it's
not
in
the
base
pro
forma,
but
it
will
be
in
the
recommended
pro
forma.
The
increase
in
the
sea
wall
program
to
replace
more
lineal
feet,
as
presented
in
the
seawall
study
and
the
possible
need
for
another
seawall
inspector,
so
that
is
not
in
the
proforma
we're
awaiting
a
permitting
and
any
conditions
that
may
be
required
to
determine.
If
that
is
going
to
be
needed.
I
I
F
I
F
So
I
mean
everything
I
said
previously,
I'm
not
going
to
repeat,
but
my
question
is
then:
so
if
you
take
the
increase
in
the
lineal
feed
for
bsi,
along
with
what
they're
recommending
here
with
one
additional
person
I
mean,
can
we
actually
build
that
much
wall
and
and
can
mcg
replace
that
much
wall
I
mean?
Is
there?
Is
there,
are
we
ready
to
go
or
how
quickly
could
we
be?
Could
we
be
ready
to
go,
or
is
there
going
to
be
some
kind
of
a
ramp
up
period?
H
B
That
is
true,
that
is
true.
We
are
still
working
on
our
permit
renewal.
We've
been
working
on
that
for
two
years
and
we
are
currently
in
army
corps
of
engineers
and
marine
fisheries.
We're
still
waiting
on
that
to
be
approved
for
the
riprap.
No,
that's
for
the
sea
wall
replacement,
so
our
current
permit
says
that
we
can
replace
up
to
8
000
lineal
feet
a
year
between
the.
H
Question
one
of
my
committee
members
asked
me
so
you
had
just
said
they
may
hire
another
worker.
How
does
that
does
that
get
split
between
the
districts?
Then
I
mean
if
pgi
is
recommending
a
worker
be
higher
but
bsi
didn't.
How
does
that
work?
And
I
know,
there's
a
couple
like
muck
trucks
and
and
whatnot,
for
you
know,
replacement
like
how
does
that
get
allocated
so.
I
We
actually
take
all
the
costs
that
are
involved
in
creating
building
a
sea
wall
panel
and,
however
many
panels,
and
that
includes
the
labor,
and
so,
however,
many
panels
bsi
uses
they're
charged
that
cost.
So
that's
how
it's
refunded
back
to
the
pgi
is
basically
pgi
is
selling
those
sea
walls
to
bsi.
I
D
D
D
D
Dollars
you
know
somewhere
we're
losing
the
reason
that
we
have
public
meetings
and
we're
losing
what
the
advisory
committee
is
supposed
to
be
telling
us-
and
I
know,
you're
not
responsible
for
the
canal
advisory
group,
but
why
the
heck
did
you
have
a
meeting
with
the
citizenry
five
days
before
the
board
took
their
their
action?
You
know
I
can't
until
I
had
my
meeting
with
kristen
yesterday,
there
was
no
way
I
could
defend
this
because
this
isn't
what
was
presented
and
I'm
I'm
absolutely
flabbergasted
that
this
happened
now.
D
D
D
A
A
F
F
I
agree
I
I
knew
because
I
used
to
be
on
the
canal
advisory
council.
I
knew
I
knew
all
of
this
before
I
went
to
any
of
these
meetings
and
I
knew
sitting
in
that
meeting
and-
and
I
kept
prompting
the
guy
in
front
of
me,
hey
ask
this
question:
ask
that
question.
Ask
this
question,
because
that
number
is
not
right
and
he
did.
F
He
did
ask
the
questions
and-
and
it
came
out
that
we
that
150
wasn't
going
to
be
anywhere
close
to
the
right
number,
but
that
was
lost
on
people
and
so
so
now
you
know
yeah
we're
it's.
We
have
to
fade
the
heat,
but
it's
also
a
credibility
question.
It's
a
credibility
question
for
for
the
council,
it's
a
credibility
question
for
the
whole
city
as
a
whole.
F
I
mean
I
so
so
contrary
to
what
I
said
in
bsi,
where
I
completely
accepted
their
recommendation,
I
think
we
have
to
understand
that
if
we
don't
accept
their
recommendation,
if
we
don't
do
550.
so
550
and
650
is
1200.
Okay,
if
we
don't
accept
their
550
today,
the
ultimate
number
is
going
to
be
more
than
1200..
F
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
than
1200
if
we
phase
this
in.
However,
given
the
fact
of
this
meeting
that
we
had
the
fact
that
people,
even
though
it
was
said
in
the
meeting
that
that's
not
going
to
be
enough-
that's
not
what
people
walked
out
of
there
thinking
I
don't
know
how
we
can
do
the
the
full
550
this
year,
so
my
recommendation
would
be
that,
and
we
don't
put
this
off.
We
have
to
make
the
decision
now
of
of
that.
F
This
is
what
it's
going
to
be
now,
and
it's
going
to
be
what
it's
going
to
be
next
year,
and
it's
going
to
be
the
year
after
that,
but
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
200
this
year.
We
do
200
next
year
and
then
we
have
to
and
and
now
get
the
actuarial
tables
out
and
figure
out
what
the
actual
number
is.
It
isn't
1200,
it's
gonna
be
more
than
that.
F
It's
going
to
be
1300,
it's
gonna
be
14
1500,
it's
gonna
be
more
because
we
didn't
do
it
today,
then,
in
that
third
year,
you're
gonna
have
to
do
at
least
another
200
more
and
likely
in
the
fourth
you're
gonna
have
to
do
another.
You're
gonna
have
to
wrap
this
up
and
we
have
to
ramp
it
up
quickly.
We
can't
ramp
it
up
at
fifty
dollars
a
crack,
or
even
a
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
crack.
F
Two
two
hundred
is
more
than
what
people
were
expecting
coming
to
that
meeting
and
and
maybe
if
we
suggest
that
people
come
back
and
say
no
now
I
get
it
I
understand,
and
maybe
we
need
to
do
300..
Maybe
we
need
to
do
at
least
what
bsi
is
doing.
That's
what
we
did
last
year
they
recommended,
because
I
was
on
the
canal
committee
we
recommended
to
the
board
or
the
the
council
last
year
that
they
do
seven
that
take
it
to
750,
which
was
a
200
increase
and
then
50
every
year
after
that,.
K
F
We
get
to
whatever
the
number
is
well
that
wasn't
even
going
to
be
enough
and
we
we
went
last
year.
We
did
what
the
answer
was
well,
let's
just
do
100,
because
that's
what
we
did
for
bsi,
that's
how
we
wound
up
at
650
in
pgi,
so
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
do
550.
We
need
to
do
it
as
fast
as
we
absolutely
possibly
can
and-
and
I
just
don't
think
we
could
do
it
all
today,
because
it's
a
credibility
issue.
Yes,.
H
F
I'd
be
I'd,
be
okay,
I'd
be
okay
with
300
and
then
250.,
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
find
a
number
here.
But
yes,
the
situation
in
pgi
is
worse
because
the
sea
wall
there's
a
lot
more
of
it
and
it's
all
there's
a
lot
of
it.
That's
a
lot
older,
even
though
there's
been
a
lot
replaced,
there's
still
a
lot
of
old
seawall
there.
I.
H
Mean
I
will
say
I
was
at
that
meeting
as
well
and
yes,
I
saw
people
walking
out
thinking
150.
I
had
people
sitting
with
me.
That
said,
let's
just
rip
the
band-aid
off,
so
you
know
you
have
lots
of
different
perspectives
on
money,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
up
to
you
know
the
canal
maintenance.
It's
up
to
council,
the
city,
it's
a
conglomerate
of
people
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
looking
out
for
the
best
interest
of
what
the
future
is
going
to
hold
for
sea
walls.
H
H
H
H
Don't
do
550
you
like
this
yeah
I
mean
I
I
I'm
I'm
torn
because
I
feel
like
550
is
a
number
and
it
needs
to
be
done,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying
too,
that
you
just
feel
like
it
wasn't
presented
as
good
as
it
could
to
the
residents,
but
I
think
the
the
it's
hard,
because
unless
you're
doing
this,
even
as
a
before
I
got
on
council
as
a
resident,
I
heard
money,
but
I
didn't
really
hear
the
reason
behind
it.
I
didn't
really
understand
what
exactly
why?
H
Sometimes
the
city
did
things
that
didn't
make
everybody
happy,
but
in
the
long
run
it
like
jaws
that
it's
protecting
the
city,
it's
protecting
their
sea
walls.
So
I'm
at
a
little
bit
of
I'm
torn
with
that
because
I
feel
like
sometimes
we
have
to
do
what's
best,
even
if
a
lot
of
some
people
didn't
understand.
D
D
You
know
we
had
people
at
that
meeting
who
felt
like
we
were
taxing
and
and
spending,
and
that
we
weren't
we
weren't
good
stewards
of
the
money
because
it
was,
you
know,
go
every
every
year
they
paid
into
it
at
the
end
of
the
year.
It
was
gone.
What
were
we
doing
with
their
money
and
to
me
that
says
volumes
about
what
they
how
they
understand
what's
happening?
D
And
I
did
stop
that
gentleman
after
the
meeting
and
explained
to
him
that
you
know
that's
the
law,
we're
required
to
only
spend
it
on
canal,
maintenance
and
and
and
seawall
and
whatever,
and
that
there
shouldn't
be
a
lot
of
money
left
over
because
we're
trying
to
you
know
make
it
work
that
they
end
and
they,
but
honestly,
you
you're,
killing
us
here.
You're
you're,
just
destroying
our
credibility
and.
H
A
I
well,
I
totally
agree
with
everybody's
comments.
I
you
know
it's
it's
a
double-edged
sword.
If
we
don't
do
it
today,
it's
going
to
be
tomorrow,
you're
absolutely
right
about
that,
but
I
wish
we
had
had
the
canal
advisory
boards
meetings
before
those
two
public
meetings,
because
we
would
have
had
a
much
better
perspective
on
what
the
numbers
could
potentially
be
on
their
behalf
and
what
their
recommendations
were.
A
But
we
did
it
exactly
backwards
of
that
and
in
both
meetings,
150
was
the
magic
number
that
was
thrown
out
at
both
of
those
meetings,
the
public
meetings,
and
then
we
turned
around
two
days
later.
Bsi
had
their
meeting
and
it
was
you
know,
all
of
a
sudden,
it's
300
400,
whatever
it's
going
to
be
and
then
pgi
turns
to
550.
It's
like.
I
saw
that
about
had
a
coronary.
I
So
I
think
they
were
trying
not
to
recommend
too
high
of
an
increase
and
then
based
on
what
they
were
hearing
at
the
various
meetings
and
some
citizens,
saying
kind
of
saying
like
rip
the
band-aid
off
and
things
like
that,
and
I
think
that's
where
they
had
their
minds
changed
about,
maybe
hey.
Maybe
we
do
need
to
just
recommend
the
full
amount.
H
H
Us
why
it
went
from
because
we're
we're
we're
looking
at
you,
but
it's
not
you
it's
the
maintenance.
You
know
if
the
canal
maintenance
board
all
of
a
sudden
said,
let's
throw
up,
560
and
see
what
sticks
and
leave
it
to
council.
Then
that's
them
discrediting
us,
not
necessarily
staff
or
city
or
anything
else.
D
I
A
I'd
like
to
have
us
take
a
look
at
that
and
and
seriously
look
at
it
and
not
just
say
we're
going
to
look
into
it.
I
mean,
let's,
let's
seriously,
look
at
that
as
an
option
and
see
if
that,
if
there
is
any
merit
to
that
whatsoever,
because
I
mean
we're
going
to
I'm
just
I'm
really
concerned
about
this
proposed
amount-
I'm
really
concerned
about
it.
I
I
realize
it's
either
gonna
be
today
or
it's
gonna
be
tomorrow,
but
I'm
really
concerned
about
it,
and
this.
E
And
the
other
side
of
that
is-
and
we
actually
are
looking
into
the
miami
things
if
we've
heard
about
it.
But
the
other
side
is
that,
because
the
city
and
sea
wall
we
get
fema
grants
where
other
people
that
have
individuals
that
are
in
the
seawall
other
cities
can't
get
individual
fema
grants
like
we
can
get
the
bulk
that
we
do
because
of
the
city
and
asset.
F
I
I
would,
I
would
be
willing
to
agree
with
council
person
lockhart,
you
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
do
the
same
three
and
three
and
knowing
that
we
got
to
do
at
least
250
it'll
be
more
than
250
next
year,
but
it'd
probably
be
three
or
four
more,
but
I
think
we
need
to
have
another
meeting
and
you
guys
are
going
to
need
to
explain
because
they
they
didn't
get
it
they
don't
they.
F
So
I
think
I
think
we
probably
do
need
to
be
more
aggressive,
the
more
the
more
aggressive
we
are
now
the
less
is
going
to
hurt
later
and
and
but
we
do
need
to
get
back
and
explain
this
to
them,
because
we're
all
going
to
get
emails
on
this
and
my
email
is
going
to
be
come
to
the
meeting.
I'm
not
going
to
answer
every
one
of
these
emails
and
try
to
explain
this.
It's
going
to
be
come
to
the
meeting
come
to
the
me
I'll
answer.
H
F
H
But
I'm
saying
the
advisory
board
needs
to
be
there.
I
understand
they're
volunteers
and
we're
very
thankful
for
the
time
that
they
put
into
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
are
a
huge
part
of
the
decision
making
process
and
they
need
to
be
involved
with
every
single
meeting
and
I
don't
want
to
say,
hold
their
feet
to
the
fire.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
the
constituents
within
their
districts
need
to
be
going
to
that
advisory
meeting.
I
think
most
people
don't
understand
that
they
can
come
to
these
advisory
meetings.
H
These
canal
maintenance
advisory
meetings-
they
they
most
citizens,
maybe
think
just
you
know,
come
to
city
council.
Sometimes
that
is
too
late
as
we're
seeing
right
now.
They
need
to
come
to
those
advisory
meetings,
talk
to
their
local
people
that
are
in
charge
of
that,
because
it's
literally
being
brought
to
us
so.
H
H
A
I'd
like
to
only
see
us
do
one
year
at
a
time
right
now,
because
we
don't
know
what
300
is
going
to
get
us
a
year
from
now,
and
I
think
we
can
we're
only
going
to
be
basing
our
decisions
on
this
year's
upcoming
fiscal
year
budget
not
more
than
one
year
at
a
time.
So
I
would
hesitate
to
put
anything
in
writing
that
that
goes
beyond
fiscal
year.
2023
right
now,
just
my
personal
feeling
about
it,
because
we
only
approve
a
budget
a
year
at
a
time
right,
but.
F
The
only
reason
to
I
mean
we're
not
approved,
but
it's
going
to
be
in
the
pro
forma,
because
then
it's
visible
to
people,
people
see
it
because
they
got
to
know
that
300
is
not
enough
if
they,
if
we
do
300
and
they
think
all
right.
Well
that
really
sucked.
But
you
know
now
I'm
done
I'm
at
300
and
then
we
come
back
again
next
year
and
we
do
another
three
and
now
it's
I
think
I
think
going
in
you
know.
K
H
Well,
that
or
you
can
kind
of
look
at
it
like
this.
You
know
we
may
not
all
agree,
so
I'm
not
going
to
assume
that,
but
I
personally
think
550
is
is
a
good
number
so,
instead
of
though
trying
to
have
that
shock
of
one
year
this
year
and
250
next
year
and
then
looking
at
it
from
there,
that's
that's
where
I
would
recommend.
D
Debbie
except
melissa:
that's
what
happened
to
us
last
year
and-
and
I
went
back
and
looked
at
my
notes
on
this,
and
they
came
to
us
with
a
really
high
number
and
we
we
settled
on
a
lower
number,
with
the
understanding
that
it
would
go
up
again
this
year,
and
here
we
are,
and
here
we
are.
However,
the
amount
that
we
said
we
would
go
up
again
was
the
150,
so
it's
totally
inadequate
and
I
understand
that
it's
totally
inadequate.
D
B
So
I've
been
having
a
lot
of
conversations
with
marine
contracting
group
about
the
increases,
their
manpower
available
barges
and
and
there
they
have
already
committed
to
adding
an
additional
barge
for
the
increase.
They
know
it's
coming.
They
know
it's
coming.
They're
they're,
you
know
they're
getting
their
act
together
as
well,
so
it's
not
a
surprise
to
them
300.
E
You
know
I'll
give
you
just
the
back
of
the
napkin
example.
If
the
permit
says
8
000
feet
a
year,
linear
feet
a
year
and
we
were
able
to
actually
do
that.
So
that's
1.67.
We
have
109
miles
of
seawall.
You
know
we'd
be
replacing
a
sea
wall
every
70
years.
So
that's
still,
you
know
extended
life
on
a
sea
wall
at
8
000
feet
a
year,
so
we
have
to
be
somewhere
there
or
north
to
actually
hit
the
target.
So
sea
wall
replacement.
B
D
A
D
B
A
B
E
I
just
had
a
couple
things
actually
one
thing
with
two
parts,
and
that
is,
as
was
mentioned
before
we're
working
on
joint
meetings
with
a
couple
of
the
elected
bodies.
One
is
the
airport
authority
which,
at
the
end
of
this
month,
we'll
have
a
joint
meeting
with
them
to
just
go
over
commonalities
and
places
where
we
work
together.
E
Then
we're
also
working,
as
was
I
think,
discussed
at
the
county
commissioner
meeting
with
a
joint
meeting
with
the
county
commissioners,
also
where
we
can
discuss
common
issues,
things
that
we're
working
on
together
and
also
some
of
the
upcoming
challenges,
whether
it
be
parking
department
of
transportation,
highway,
improvements,
etc.
That
impact
us
both
so
that'll
be
on
an
upcoming
agenda
to
discuss
some
of
the
things
we
may
talk
about
there
and
that's
all.
I
have
right
now.
J
Litigation
update,
I
was
in
court
yesterday
on
the
second
group
of
two
parcels
relating
to
the
eminent
domain
acquisition
for
boca
grand
and
the
judge
granted
my
motion
preparing
the
paperwork,
and
so
we
should
have
that
secured
by
the
middle
of
the
month
at
the
latest.
Earlier
in
may
we
got
the
court
to
grant
us
the
other
two
parcels,
so
we
have
310
and
318
palmeira
drive
four
parcels
total,
and
that
was
what
we
needed
to
get
this
task
done.
J
A
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
couple
quick
comments,
and
that
is
again
thank
you
to
the
city
water
department,
for
providing
water
the
other
day
for
the
event
for
memorial
day,
thanks
to
the
charlotte
county
veterans,
council
and
the
military
heritage
museum
for
the
memorial
day
event,
it
was
very
well
attended.
A
lot
of
people
expressed
great
gratitude
for
the
city
being
a
part
of
it
and
and
having
the
host
organizations
hope.
A
You
know
host
that
event
that
day,
and
it
also
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
thank
the
punta
gorda
rotary
and
the
sponsors
of
the
healing
field
of
honor.
I
mean,
I
just
think
about
it,
and
I
get
emotional
about
it,
but
it
was
it's
beautiful,
it's
absolutely
magnificent
to
see,
and
anybody
who
didn't
get
to
see
it.
A
I'm
sorry
you
missed
it
because
it
was
certainly
a
spectacle
and
in
my
newsletter
last
week
I
got
a
photo
from
commissioner
constance
to
put
at
the
top
of
my
newsletter,
which
he
took
from
his
condo
balcony,
looking
down
over
the
field
of
honor,
and
it's
it's
a
spectacular
picture.
So
I'm
very
very
pleased
that,
with
that
event
was
held
again
in
our
city
and
thanks
to
the
rotary
for
organizing,
it
took
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
coordination.
So
very,
very
well
done,
and
that's
all
I
have
thank
you
mark.