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Regular City Council Meeting 5-18-2022
A
Good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
frankie
everyone,
please
take
a
seat
who's
going
to
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
may
18
2022
city
council
meeting.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
join
me
for
the
invocation,
followed
by
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
B
B
So
we
are
trusting
you
to
guide
this
meeting
this
day.
We're
trusting
you
for
peace,
that
everyone
that
is
involved
in
this
meeting
would
come
with
peace
in
their
heart
to
address
the
issues
and
not
people.
Thank
you
for
your
insight,
as
this
council
makes
decisions
for
the
entire
city
and
other
people
in
this
community,
and
we
thank
you
for
wisdom
that
they
will
have
understanding
beyond
their
years
of
education
and
knowledge.
B
A
A
We
have
two
service
awards
today.
The
first
is
a
25
year
service
award
for
captain
jason
caccini
from
the
police
department.
D
All
right,
good
morning,
everybody,
chief
pam
davis,
with
the
punta
gorda
police
department,
captain
cascana.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
his
career.
He
actually
has
been
in
law
enforcement
almost
30
years.
He
started
his
career
with
lee
county
sheriff's
department
in
1993
as
a
dispatcher
and
then
joined
the
pondecor
police
department
in
1997
and
and
began
his
year
his
his
career
as
a
sworn
officer.
D
He
holds
a
bachelor's
of
science
degree
in
criminal
justice,
a
master
of
public
administration
and
management
and
a
graduate
certificate
in
criminal
justice
management,
2014
graduate
of
the
258th
session
of
the
fbi,
national
academy,
2013
graduate
graduate
of
florida
department
of
law,
enforcement's,
47th,
chief
executive
seminar,
a
2012
graduate
of
leadership
charlotte
and
a
2010
graduate
of
the
10th
session
of
saint
leo's
university
command
officer
management
program.
Captain
shishkini
commands
the
support
services
division
that
includes
the
administrative
services,
section,
communications,
sections
volunteer
and
policing
section
and
the
evidence,
property
and
crime
scene
section.
D
D
But
on
a
personal
note,
you
guys
know
I've
been
here
almost
five
years
now
before
I
came
here,
he
was
the
interim
police
chief
during
a
very
tumultuous
time
and
and
held
held
the
ship
right
also
made
my
transition
as
police
chief
extremely
successful.
You
keep
me
out
of
trouble,
so
that's
a
good
thing.
It
doesn't
let
me
overspend
or
anything
like
that
very
supportive.
He
has
the
absolute
incredible
institutional
knowledge
kind
of
like
rick
rickini
did
with
public
works.
D
That's
that's
how
jason
is,
and
so
more
importantly,
though,
he's
he's
become
my
go-to
person
and
my
friend.
So
congratulations
on
your
25
years.
A
E
Absolutely
good
morning
I
did
want
to
just
take
a
moment
to
thank
council
city
manager,
the
police
chief
and
my
co-workers
for
coming
out
this
morning.
I
do
really
appreciate
the
recognition
this
morning.
E
A
Before
you
leave
before
you
leave,
let
me
just
make
a
quick
announcement
for
all
of
our
police
officers
who
are
in
the
room.
This
is
national
police
officers
week
and
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
each
and
every
one
of
you
who
put
your
bravery
on
every
day
and
you
honor
us
and
serve
us
and
keep
us
safe,
and
we
truly
truly
appreciate
everything
that
you
all
do
so,
thanks
to
all
of
you
for
doing
that
and
remember
those
who
have
fallen
on
the
job
and
keep
keep
it,
keep
it
going.
G
I
would
like
to
take
this
time
to
congratulate
ricky
on
his
20
years
of
exceptional
service,
with
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
as
noted
ricky's,
our
senior
crew
chief
on
sanitation,
yeah
ricky.
We
haven't
worked
together
for
a
long
time
for
very
long.
He
is,
but
what
I
know
is
ricky's
a
very
devoted
employee.
I
know
he's
the
go-to
guy
in
sanitation
if
something
needs
to
get
done,
he's
willing
to
do
whatever
it
takes
to
get
the
job
done
and
oftentimes.
G
I
understand
that
includes
working
on
his
days
off
whenever
they're
short-handed
ricky's
there
to
do
whatever's
needed
to
get
the
job
done
he's.
I
know
he
has
several
grandchildren.
He
he
enjoys
watching
youth
sports,
he's
he's
a
big
seminal
fan
and
he
enjoys
spending
time
with
those
grand
grandkids.
Also
is
my
understanding
again
ricky.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
all
your
hard
work
devotion
and
congratulations
on
your
20
years
of
service.
H
H
A
And
whereas
members
of
our
armed
forces
continue
to
work
toward
peace
and
prosperity
in
the
world
and
whereas
we
must
pledge
to
never
forget
the
men
and
women
of
the
armed
forces
who
gave
the
ultimate
sacrifice
in
defending
our
freedoms.
We
should
express
our
gratitude
to
the
families
of
our
fallen
warriors.
We
must
keep
faith
with
all
those
who
have
died
for
our
country
in
the
fight
for
permanent
peace,
and
we
must
honor
our
unwavering
commitment
to
all
members
of
the
armed
forces.
A
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
ponte
gorda
florida
does
hereby
observe
monday
may
30
2022
as
memorial
day
in
recognition
of
all
those
who
have
made
the
ultimate
sacrifice
in
service
to
our
nation.
Let
us
pause
for
a
moment
of
silence,
signed
leonard
matthews,
mayor
and
accepting
is
amanda
mccannu,
who
is
the
ccvc
secretary
and
retired
air
force
veteran?
G
C
I
I
appreciate
what
everybody
does
and
it's
really
nice
walking
down
the
street
and
saying
somebody's
saying.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
lot
of
comrades
around
and
I
know
my
involvement
with
american
legion
and
vfws
and
amvets,
and
all
that
helping
veterans
get
services
that
they
need.
This
is
always
appreciated
and
we
just
want
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
And
I
don't
know
how
many
did
anybody
in
the
audience
go
to
the
honor
flight
arrival
on
saturday
night?
Oh,
my
gosh
top
five
all-time
great
moments
that
I
have
ever
witnessed.
It
was
incredible
and
hats
off
to
pgd
and
and
also
allegiant
airlines
for
sponsoring
the
the
event
it
was
incredible
to
watch
if
it
ever
happens
again
in
punta
gorda.
I
urge
everybody
to
go
and
watch
the
arrival
of
the
veterans,
and
it
was.
I
only
cried
about
three
or
four
times,
but
it
was
pretty
awesome
that
todd
was
one
of
the
guardians.
A
J
J
J
Good
morning,
proclamation
city
of
punta
gorda
florida,
whereas
the
city
is
committed
to
recognizing
that
our
growth
and
strength
depends
on
the
safety
and
essential
role,
our
homes,
buildings
and
infrastructure
play
both
in
everyday
life
and
when
disasters
strike.
And
whereas
our
confidence
in
the
resilience
of
these
buildings
is
achieved
through
the
devotion
of
diligent
guardians,
building
safety
and
fire
prevention,
officials,
architects,
engineers,
builders,
trades
people,
design,
professionals,
laborers
plumbers
and
others
in
the
construction
industry
who
work
year-round
to
ensure
the
safe
construction
of
buildings.
J
And
whereas
these
guardians
are
members
of
the
international
code
council,
a
non-profit
that
brings
together
local
state
territorial,
tribal
and
federal
officials,
who
are
experts
in
the
in
the
built
environment
to
create
and
implement
the
highest
quality
codes
to
protect
us.
In
the
buildings
where
we
live,
learn,
work
and
play,
and
whereas
building
safety
month
is
sponsored
by
the
international
code
council
to
remind
the
public
about
the
critical
role
of
our
communities,
largely
unknown
protectors
of
public
safety.
J
Our
local
code
officials,
who
assure
us
of
safe,
sustainable
and
affordable
buildings
that
are
essential
to
our
prosperity
and
whereas
safety
for
all
building
codes
and
action.
The
theme
for
2022
encourages
us
all
to
raise
awareness
about
planning
for
safe
and
sustainable
construction,
career
opportunities
in
building
safety,
understanding,
disaster
mitigation,
energy
conservation
and
creating
a
safe
abundant
water
supply
to
all
our
benefit.
And
now,
therefore,
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim,
may
2022
as
building
safety
month
past
and
duly
adopted.
D
I
Boaters
lacking
education
and
training
were
five
times
more
likely
to
die
in
a
boating
mishap
and
whereas
wearing
a
personal,
locator
beacon
can
help
rescuers,
find
a
boater
promptly
and
efficiently
and
whereas
five
factors
contributing
to
boating
fatalities
were
caused
by
operator,
inattention,
improper
or
no
lookout
operator.
Inexperience,
machinery
failure,
excessive
speed
and
alcohol
consumption,
which
is
the
leading
known,
contributing
factor
in
fatal
boating
accidents.
I
Now,
therefore,
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
the
week
of
may
21
to
27
22
as
national
safe
boating
week
and
urges
everyone
to
wear
a
life
jacket
and
wear
a
personal
locator
beacon,
passed
and
newly
adopted
this
18th
day
of
may
2022
city
of
ponegord
florida
signed,
lennar,
matthews
mayor
and
I'm
not
sure
who's
accepting
is
geraldine
daley
in
the
audience.
Oh
carl
warren,
the
rightful
talking
there.
We
go
we're
three
for
three.
C
I'd
like
to
thank
the
council
for
this
proclamation,
the
primary
mission
of
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
is
to
assist
the
united
states
coast
guard
with
all
their
missions,
with
the
exception
of
military
operations
and
law
enforcement.
A
lot
of
people
don't
realize
that,
but
that's
the
two
things
that
we're
not
allowed
to
do.
We
do
everything
else,
as
the
coast
guard
actually
do
coast
guard.
Does
the
primary
responsibility
of
the
auxiliary
is
to
teach
safe
boating
practices?
We
do
that
by
motor
safety
classes
that
we
have
on
a
regular
basis.
C
C
I
K
And
as
a
fellow
rotarian,
I'm
very
pleased
to
make
this
proclamation,
whereas
the
men
and
women
who
serve
and
have
served
in
the
armed
forces
of
the
united
states.
First
responders.
Doctors
and
nurses
and
unsung
local
heroes
have
made
major
contributions
towards
keeping
our
country
safe
during
times
of
great
strife.
And
whereas
the
flag
of
the
united
states
of
america
is
a
symbol
of
heroism
and
freedom
and
is
a
is
a
beacon
of
hope
and
light
for
our
community
and
nation.
K
Indeed,
the
world
and
whereas
the
pontogorda
rotary
club,
whose
motto
is
service
above
self,
has
brought
a
stunning
display
of
one
thousand
united
states
flags
for
our
community
and
whereas
the
city
upon
the
gorda
desires
to
continue
its
efforts
to
recognize
our
historic
and
it's
our
heroic
and
selfless
citizens.
And
therefore
the
city
of
council,
the
city
of
pontogorda,
hereby
declaims
may
27
to
may
30th.
2022
was
the
healing
field
of
honor
weekend.
Passengers
will
be
adopted
in
regular
session
18th
day
of
may
2nd
signed
by
marilyn
matthews
and
presenting
it
to
allison
birch.
D
D
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance
to
see
it
last
year,
but
it
was
quite
beautiful.
The
display
will
is
free
and
open
to
the
public.
The
entire
weekend,
we'll
have
an
opening
ceremony
which
everyone
is
invited
to.
It
starts
at
10
a.m.
Next,
friday
morning
we'll
have
it's
kind
of
short
and
sweet,
but
we're
going
to
have
guns
and
hoses
there
kind
of
kicking
things
off
with
some
some
music
and
then
we'll
have
the
mayor
there.
D
Reading
a
proclamation,
one
of
our
county
commissioners
will
be
saying
a
few
words,
but
mostly
just
really
wanting
to
celebrate
the
the
beautiful
display
flags
can
be
purchased
for
forty
dollars
and
you
can
honor
somebody
with
that
flag.
So
each
flag
will
have
a
tag
on
it
of
who
purchased
it
and
who
it's
in
honor
of
and
then
the
flag
is
yours
to
keep
at
the
end
of
the
event.
You
can
come
back
on
tuesday
may
31st
at
9
00
a.m
and
take
your
flag
home
and
fly
it
proudly
at
home.
D
A
Another
one
of
those
really
good
feel-good
moments.
If
you
have
the
opportunity
to
go
to
this
event,
please
do
so
all
right
before
we
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comments.
I
just
have
a
few
housekeeping
notes.
I'd
like
to
read:
there
is
a
code
of
conduct
in
the
council
chambers.
Members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
plaque
on
the
wall
behind
the
deus,
which
is
right
there.
A
A
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak.
Speakers
should
try
to
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
A
No
applause
or
booing
before,
during
or
after
any
speaker,
if
you
have
supporting
documents
to
display
during
the
comments,
you
must
provide
a
copy
of
them
to
the
city
clerk
and
these
documents
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
and
will
be
retained
by
the
clerk's
office.
And,
finally,
the
citizens
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
q.
A
A
session
council
members
shall
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public
and
with
that,
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
any
issues,
you
may
come
to
the
podium
state.
Your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
B
I've,
given
you
a
from
our
city
attorney,
he
responded
to
the
obscenity
ordinance.
He
did
an
excellent
job,
it's
44
pages
long
and
I
once
asked
him:
where
could
one
protest
in
punta
gorda
and
he's
written
down
exactly
what
you're
allowed
to
do
here
and
I'm
sure
that
governor
our
governor
would
approve
his
interpretation
of
the
law
and
I'll
read
what
it
says.
B
This
is
in
line
with
our
governor
as
dealing
with
critical
race
theory
and
don't
say
gay
as
to
in
our
schools
to
prevent
to
help.
B
B
B
There's
a
chart
when
you
go
through
the
exhibits
in
the
urban
design
presentation
here.
This
isn't
part
of
the
presentation.
Snippets
of
it
are
downtown
core
less
than
20
000
square
foot.
That's
not
building!
That's
the
first
floor
footprint,
no
minimum
parking
requirements.
You
could
have
a
four
or
five
story
building
with
residential
in
it,
medical
in
it
a
gym
in
it
and
no
parking
requirements.
B
B
But
what's
really
interesting
here
on
this
chart
and,
like
I
said
a
chart's,
not
part
of
the
presentation
b,
listen
to
this
existing
or
newly
created
on-street
public
parking
directly
above
a
budding
or
within
600
feet
from
the
development
site
may
be
counted
towards
fulfilling
the
on-site
parking
ratios.
Look
at
marketplace.
Property
600
feet
is
two
football
fields:
long
okay,
they
could
claim
the
parking
on
marion,
both
sides
of
marion.
B
B
B
Our
proposed
ldrs
also
have
a
50-foot
base
or
four
stories
and
of
objective
criteria
to
go
to
80
feet
or
six
stories
with
community
benefit
points.
Remember
one
point:
equals
two
two
feet
in
height,
but
are
very
expensive,
50ft,
think
sun,
loft
80
feet
think
just
the
center.
However,
our
proposed
ldrs
also
restrict.
I
don't
know:
if
can
you
put
that
up?
There
mitchell
also
restrict
the
main
street
historic
district
overlay
to
35
feet
and
are
not
eligible
for
community
benefit
heights.
B
This
include
includes
marion
avenue
from
northbound
41
to
southbound,
41
sullivan
street
portions
of
taylor
street,
which
you
can
see
here
in
the
duke
number
two,
the
options
we
have.
As
I
see
it
as
the
stay
as
we
are,
we
could
go
to
a
set
height
with
no
variations
in
height
and
architectural
rooftop
features
that
may
that
that
make
our
skyline
aesthetically
pleasing.
B
We
favor
our
this
proposal
because
one
the
proposed
ldrs,
because
one
they
provide
architecturally,
interesting
and
varied
building
heights.
Two
create
objective
standards
for
additional
heights.
Three
provide
community
benefits
that
will
enhance
our
city,
four,
encourage
working
with
developers
to
increase
commercial
buildings,
growing
our
economy
and
reducing
the
homeowners
tax
burden
and
5
and
17
years
of
empty
ugly
space
in
our
attractive
and
interesting
downtown.
B
I
I
know
some
are
moving
want
to
have
it
as
a
park.
We've
got
two
beautiful
parks
and
a
pathway
that
that
attached
them
there's
no
hundreds.
I
hear
people
saying
they
don't
want
100
foot
buildings,
there's
no
100
foot
buildings
even
proposed
in
these
ldrs.
There
was
at
one
time
in
the
hospital
district
which
we
probably
do
need,
but
it's
gone.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
I
know
that
we
all
have
that
a
majority
of
the
homes
we
have
need
and
use
two
car
spaces
per
home.
In
fact,
the
institution,
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers,
parking
manual
requires
two
pace:
two
parking
spaces
per
apartment
or
multi-family
or
home,
give
us
two
spaces.
B
In
addition,
we
live
in
a
wet
and
humid
climate
for
six
months
of
the
year
during
the
summer,
and
no
one
wants
the
chance
walking
to
dinner
in
the
rain
and
humidity
we
drive
we
park,
we
drive
we
park,
we
have
two
cars,
please
don't
revitalize
us
with
more
on
street
parking.
Give
us
two
parking
spaces,
as
recommended
by
the
institute
of
transportation
engineers
into
our
beautiful
historic
neighborhood.
Thank
you.
M
M
Our
committee
didn't
have
sufficient
time
to
submit
comment
at
the
meeting
where
article
3
was
introduced,
but
would
like
to
enter
some
comment
into
the
record.
To
refresh
your
memory.
The
proposed
cottage
court
allows
500
square
foot.
Minimum
units
on
a
minimum
lot
size
of
100
by
120
up
to
5
to
12
units
would
be
allowed
on
a
lot
next
page.
The
challenges
we
see
are
the
current
nr10
areas
are
increasing
to
the
equivalent
of
nr25.
M
The
proposed
change
will
harm
property
owners
who
bought
in
at
nr10
density
levels.
This
injects
a
multi-family
product
into
a
neighborhood
in
zones
that
had
previously
prohibited
a
single-family
home
property
located
adjacent
to
a
cottage
court.
Property
will
have
less
market
value
and
desirability
b
cottage
courts,
as
we
said
on
the
first
slide,
may
exist
or
consist
of
five
to
12
units
and
a
500
square
foot
home
is
equivalent
to
a
two-car
garage
cottage
court.
M
We
may
lose
historic
structures
that
have
not
yet
been
designated
that
investors
may
buy
contiguous
parcels
in
order
to
meet
these
minimums
or
max
out
the
tiny
home
concept
on
larger
parcels.
Do
we
want
to
be
a
downtown
of
tiny
homes?
We
believe
they
should
be
prohibited
in
the
traditional
residential
district
and
last
slide.
M
M
L
My
name
is
judy
beaumont
and
I'm
a
resident
of
district
one
and
a
member
of
the
historic
pineagra
civic
association.
One
of
the
articles
that
is
proposed
today
that
you're
going
to
be
reviewing
is
article
6
or
article
8,
which
deals
with
historic
districts
and
landmarks
in
section
8.1
g
of
that
article.
It
also
provides
for
a
right
of
first
refusal
by
the
by
the
city
to
purchase
or
accept
for
dedication
and
historic
structure
prior
to
the
issuance
of
a
final
demolition
permit.
L
The
facilities
are
usually
funded
with
a
combination
of
grants,
loans
and
donations
from
both
public
and
private
sources
for
those
properties
that
are
deemed
worthy
of
saving.
As
part
of
this
process,
I
request
that
the
city
council
pursue
becoming
a
florida
certified
local
government
through
the
florida
division
of
historical
resources.
L
This
program
began
in
1986
and
assists
local
governments
meet
the
requirements
to
address
historic
preservation
in
the
comprehensive
planning
decisions.
Florida
certified
local
governments
are
also
eligible
to
apply
for
grants
to
assist
in
preservation
projects,
specifically
cities
that
are
florida.
Certified
local
governments
can
apply
for
sub
grants
that
can
fund
restoration
and
rehabilitation
of
historic
properties
that
are
regularly
open
to
the
public,
such
as
the
ac
freeman
house.
A
number
of
our
neighboring
cities
from
bonita
springs
to
sarasota,
as
well
as
lee,
collier
and
sarasota
counties
are
certified.
L
M
I
wear,
I
still
wear
the
mask
as
part
of
my
wardrobe,
so
you
can't
if
I
snee
have
a
normal
sneeze,
you
aren't
going
to
scramble
to
the
doors
while
I'm
talking,
I
there
was
a
newspaper
editorial
article
in
saturday's
paper
with
regard
to
the
puna
gorda
charter
review
committee,
which
I
thought
was
very
interesting
reading.
M
M
M
I
get
a
little
annoyed
with
them
at
times,
but
right
on
for,
for
all
of
you,
another
item
was
the
every
every
other
even
year,
instead
of
odd
years
for
elections,
I'm
gonna
have
to
review
that
more
this
summer
for
what
different
logics
there
would
be
for
changing
that
there
may
be
have
been
some
method
in
the
madness
for
those
before
us
that
they
chose
to
have
these
elections
on
odd
instead
of
even
years,
and
I
look
at
it
when
I
look
at
my
ballots
when
they
show
up
and
I'm
reading
those
things
when
the
state
issues
are
on
hand.
M
Those
things
are
big
and
I
want
to
be
sure
that
we
don't
as
residents
that
the
issues
of
puna
gorda
don't
get
lost
because
we're
so
much
trying
to
read
through
everything
in
the
amendments
and
everything
else
that
are
in
the
state
election
times.
So
that's
something
I'm
going
to
be
thinking
about
carefully
this
summer.
The
last
item
here
that
they
did
cover
had
to
do
with
four
two
four
years
instead
of
two
years
and
I'm
suggesting
I
may
very
well
not
vote
for
that.
M
I
think
it's
critical
and
the
six-year
increment
that
we're
in
right
now
and
I'm
running
out
of
time
of
how
much
we
can
monitor
as
residents
and
have
a
voice
here
as
voting
residents
on
what
evolves
here
in
this
city,
and
if
you
cut
this
and
you
end
up
making
it
four
years,
we
have
less
impact
to
be
able
to
speak.
It's
hard
to
be
here
at
a
city
council
to
speak.
M
There
are
I've
spoken
before
about
groups
that
cannot
get
here
to
speak,
so
I'm
suggesting,
and
for
me,
as
a
resident,
I
am
not
going
to
be
able
to
vote
so
I
hope
you
don't
do
it
as
a
package
deal,
because
I
would
like
to
support
things
like
the
salary,
but
I
will
not
be
able
to
support
for
this
six-year
increment
and
they
will
redo
this
again
in
another
six
years.
Maybe
that's
the
time
for
it.
Thank
you.
A
N
N
O
O
It
is
consistent
with
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
2040,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
conservation,
infrastructure,
housing,
transportation
and
intergovernmental
coordination,
specifically
future
land
use
policy,
1.1.10.1
housing
policy,
4.1.1.7,
intergovernmental
coordination
policies,
9.1.1.1
9.1.2
0.12,
the
application
is
in
order
and
planning
commission
has
recommended
approval,
as
does
urban
design
staff.
We're
here
for
any
questions.
A
A
A
A
N
Yes,
this
is
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title:
only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council,
the
city
of
punta
gordon
florida,
amending
the
city
of
punta
gorda,
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map
to
include
newly
annexed
lands.
Many
in
the
future
land
use
map
to
reflect
the
change
in
the
current
designation
of
low
density,
residential,
slash
county
to
mobile
homes,
city
of
a
parcel
of
land
containing
853,
477,
plus
or
minus
square
feet.
N
19.59,
plus
or
minus
acres
line
within
section
28,
township,
41,
south
range,
23,
east
charlotte,
county
florida
being
more
particularly
described
and
shown
in
exhibit
a
attached
tier
2,
and
it
here
in
and
addressed
as
one
zero
one.
Zero
zero
star
road
punter,
gordon
florida
fighting
for
conflict
and
several
ability
and
providing
effective
date.
O
Good
morning
again,
lisa
hannon's
owning
official
and
I
have
been
sworn
I'd
like
to
enter
staff
report
into
the
record
by
reference
in
its
entirety.
Again,
this
is
the
comprehensive
plan.
Future
lane
use
amendment
for
the
annexation
for
river
haven.
It
is
the
companion
amendment
to
axo2,
2022
and
precipitates
the
need
for
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment.
O
The
amendment
will
change
the
future
land
use
from
county
mobile
home
park,
county
to
city,
mobile
home
and
the
low
density
residential
in
the
county
to
the
city
designation,
and
it
applies
all
the
provisions
of
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
there.
It's
an
existing
age-restricted
community,
no
new
development
is
proposed
and
it
is
currently
served
with
municipal
water
and
wastewater.
O
So
the
concurrency
requirements
roadway,
it
is
an
existing
roadway
network
and
it
will
meet
the
present
and
future
needs
again.
It
is
served
with
a
city,
water
and
sanitary
sewer,
storm
water,
drainage,
it's
a
pre-existing
residential
property
and
no
additional
development
is
needed
or
proposed
at
this
time
solid
waste.
The
county's
facility
has
sufficient
capacity,
parks
and
recreation
again
pre-existing
residential
property
and
no
additional
development
is
needed.
Public
schools
is
not
applicable
due
to
the
status
as
a
pre-existing
age,
qualified
residential
property.
O
The
application
is
in
order
and
statutory
requirements
have
been
satisfied.
The
request
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
2040
a
rezoning
application
is
required
and
is
running
concurrently
with
the
annexation
and
the
comprehensive
plan
amendment
any
future
or
additional
development
will
require
development,
review
or
drc
approval.
O
H
G
Ray
briggs
fire
chief
for
the
record,
so
yeah
just
to
address
the
concern
it
certainly
I
mean
we
already
like
lisa
had
alluded
to
that.
We
we
already
take
the
calls
they're
right
across
from
station
two.
So
that's
just
good
service,
so
we
already
you
know
so
it
shouldn't
increase,
call
volume
at
all,
but
certainly
any
annexation.
G
You
know
there
is
an
increase
in
responsibility
and
so
they'll
get
some
of
our
additional
services.
Now
fire
prevention-
and
I
know
law
enforcement.
I
don't,
I
really
know
if
they
take
all
the
calls
that
are
in
there
now,
but
but-
and
there
was
some
concern
initially,
I
know
about
water
supply
that
was
in
there
and
they
have
a
private
hydrant
system
in
there.
That's
been
all
serviced
and
ready
to
go
so
we've
addressed
something.
C
C
O
And
as
I
may
further
expand
on
that,
the
city's
strategic
plan
staff
is
looking
at
the
ramificati
or
the
ramifications
of
all
the
annexations
and
how
they
will
affect
our
level
of
service
as
we
move
forward
and
continue
to
annex
properties.
F
H
And
actually,
as
as
we
move
forward
the
additional,
especially
if
we
are
very
successful
in
our
goals
for
annexation,
the
additional
revenue
that
comes
in
should
help
support.
Then
the
additional
staff
that's
needed,
as
we
do
an
analysis
of
cost
versus
benefit
and
what
we
need
to
actually
service
that
level.
When
we
look
at
persons
per
thousand
population
et
cetera.
H
So
you
know
we'll
keep
that
in
mind
and
if
we
are
very
successful
in
annexation
initiatives
where
we
brought
in
another
2,
000
people
or
10
large
businesses,
then
we
would
be
coming
back
saying:
here's
the
amount
of
revenue
we
anticipate
with
that
and
here's
the
service
level
we
need
to
achieve
by
this
number
of
people.
Okay,.
J
A
A
A
J
A
O
O
The
companion
amendments
are
ax
02
for
the
annexation
and
conference
and
plan
amendment
and
that
precipitates
the
need
for
a
rezoning
application
for
the
property.
So
the
regio
zoning
we'll
change
the
zoning
map
from
county
mobile
home
park
to
city
planned
development,
neighborhood
and
all
the
provisions
of
the
planned
development
neighborhood
ordinance
will
apply.
O
O
7.3.4.1
7.3.4.5
intergovernmental
coordination
policy,
1.1.1,
point
policy,
9.1.1.1
parent
b,
capital
improvements,
objective
10.1.4
and
policy,
10.1.4.1
concurrency
requirements
roadway.
It
is
an
existing
roadway
network
which
will
meet
the
future
and
present
needs
potable
water
and
sanitary
sewers
already
served
with
these
services,
storm
water
and
drainage.
It's
a
pre-existing
residential
development.
No
additional
storm
water
development
is
needed
under
solid
waste.
O
The
county's
facility
has
sufficient
capacity,
parks
and
recreation
again
pre-existing
residential
property
and
public
schools
is
not
applicable
due
to
the
status
as
a
pre-existing
age,
qualified
residential
property,
so
the
application
and
order
is
in
order
and
the
statutory
requirements
have
been
satisfied.
It's
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
2040..
O
A
A
A
Have
a
second
second,
okay:
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
pd-01-2022
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
A
Thank
you
all
for
that
conversation,
and
we
will
welcome
riverhaven
into
our
community,
even
though
they're
here
already
they're
in
our
city
now
as
soon
as
we
do
the
second
approvals
all
right.
Next,
we
have
src-02-2021.
N
Yes,
this
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
told
by
title
only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
puente
gorda
florida
approving
the
final
plat
to
subdivide
a
parcel
of
land
containing
thirty,
five
thousand
five
hundred
twenty
six
plus
or
mi
square
feet.
Zero
point,
eight,
one
plus
or
minus
acres
into
three
single
family,
residential
lots
and
one
private
road,
slash
driveway.
N
In
order
to
create
a
subdivision
to
be
called
seagrove
on
gill's
subdivision
with
a
property
at
509
gill
street
pinagorda
florida,
more
particularly
described
on
exhibit
a
attached
to
this
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
city
clerk
to
execute
the
plant
authorizing
the
city
court
to
forward
this
resolution
and
the
original
final
plot
to
the
charlotte
county
clerk
of
the
circuit
court
for
recording
at
the
applicant's
expense
providing
an
effective
date
mayor.
I
am
aware
that
the
city
engineer
had
some
concerns
regarding
the.
N
It's
a
private
matter,
ultimately
between
the
residents
and
it
would
not
be
something
that
the
city
would
have
any
say
at,
and
so
the
concern
is
noted,
but
should
not
involve
your
considerations
regarding
plant
approval.
Okay,.
O
Good
morning
again,
lisa
hannah's
owning
official.
I
have
been
sworn
I'd
like
to
end
our
staff
report
into
the
record
by
reference
in
its
entirety.
So
this
is
the
final
plaid
approval
for
the
subdivision:
request:
sea
grove
on
gill,
509,
gill
street
three
single-family
lots
one
internal
street:
it's
a
minor
subdivision.
O
It
does
host
an
existing
historic
residential
structure.
A
demolition
permit
was
approved
and
extended
in
2021,
the
property
is
owned.
Neighborhood
residential
10
units
per
acre
development
standards
for
residential
nr10
is
3
500
square
feet.
Minimum
lot
area.
The
proposed
lots
range
from
eighty
six,
thirty,
eighty
seven,
thirty
six
up
to
eleven
thousand
nine
hundred
and
nine
square
feet
per
lot.
O
It
does
not
create
any
non-conformities.
It
is
served
by
public
street.
On
gill,
public
works,
the
private
street
improvements.
We
did
receive
a
letter
from
the
public
works
engineer.
The
developer
is
responsible
for
drainage
improvements
and
those
will
be
reviewed
at
time
of
lot.
Development
utilities
are
available
and
utilities
has
issued
a
plan
approval
for
their
utility
plans,
so
the
infrastructure
has
not
been
constructed
at
this
time.
So
therefore,
the
applicant
has
provided
staff
with
a
performance.
O
A
A
F
A
K
I'll
make
motion
for
approval,
src,
02
2021.
Second,.
A
N
P
All
right,
thank
you
steve
so
good
morning
my
name
is
jason
chadra
and
I'm
an
associate
with
cem
smith
steve's
had
with
me
today
is
diane
kemp
who's,
one
of
our
project
funding
specialists.
P
P
So
the
presentation
is
generally
broken
down
into
a
background
section.
I'll
then
talk
about
the
existing
capacity
and
permitting
capacity
of
the
facilities,
talk
about
the
alternatives,
analysis
and
the
selected
improvements
that
we
went
through
I'll
present.
The
financing
plan
and
then
close
with
the
summary
of
the
facility
plan
so
shown
here
is
just
an
overview
of
the
city
service
area
for
wastewater
services.
P
So,
as
steve
said,
this
project
really
got
started
back
in
2018
when
the
city
authorized
cdm
smith
to
perform
an
evaluation
of
the
existing
facility.
That
evaluation
looked
at
a
variety
of
things,
including
current
and
future
regulations,
and
how
they
would
impact
the
operation
of
the
facility,
as
well
as
current
and
future
flows
for
the
facility.
P
P
We
were
then
authorized
to
begin
looking
at
plant
improvement,
alternatives
elected
a
number
of
those
and
ultimately
landed
on
an
alternative
which
the
city
gave
approval
for
so
a
little
bit
on
the
existing
facility.
It
was
originally
constructed
back
in
1984
through
our
evaluations
and
multiple
tours
of
the
facility.
P
Basically,
the
processes,
the
equipment
and
the
structures
have
reached
the
end
of
their
useful
life
and
require
replacement
and
upgrade.
One
of
the
key
takeaways
of
our
evaluations
was
that
the
treatment
capacity
of
facility
is
less
than
2
million
gallons
a
day
when
a
plant
is
rated
for
4
million
gallons
a
day.
Another
key
feature
is
that
there's
a
factor
we
look
at
in
engineering
called
the
peak
hour
flow
rate.
P
We
identified
that
the
peak
hour
flow
hydraulic
capacity
plant
is
less
than
8
mgd,
8
million
gallons
a
day,
while
this
number
should
be
closer
to
12
million
gallons
a
day.
So
those
are
both
caused
challenges
with
the
operation,
and
this
just
kind
of
this
graph
here
illustrates
what
I'm
talking
about
with
our
capacity.
P
P
P
Shown
here
is
kind
of
a
summary
table
of
all
the
improvements
or
a
high
level
overview
of
all
the
improvements
that
are
proposed
for
this
alternative
three
that
was
selected
for
the
city.
I'm
happy
to
go
through
these
if
you
guys
want
more
detail
on
them,
but
at
this
point
I'll
just
kind
of
leave
them
on
the
screen
here,
for
you.
P
So
it
gets
us
to
our
capital
financing
plan
for
the
state
revolving
fund
loan.
The
total
capital
to
be
financed
is
a
fifty
million
eight
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollars.
The
loan
service
fee,
which
is
two
percent,
is
one
million
one
hundred
or
one
billion.
Sixteen
thousand
four
hundred
dollars
the
capitalized
interest
is
518
400
total
amount,
total
cost
of
the
amortization
is
51
million
338
400,
the
current
estimated
srf
interest
rate
is
1.02
percent.
P
There's
a
twenty
year
payback
on
the
loan
in
the
annual
annual
debt
service
with
twenty
percent
coverage
is
two
million
eight
hundred
forty
four
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
and
the
bottom
line.
This
slide
really
is
that
the
project
that
service
fits
within
the
city
of
ponegor's
overall
financial
plan
and
the
current
rate
structure
for
the
utility.
P
This
is
the
implementation
schedule
for
the
srf
for
the
project.
All
documents
are
due
to
the
state
by
june
22nd
of
this
year,
fdep
will
hold
a
public
hearing
for
the
priority
list.
This
is
basically
when
they
make
decisions
on
which
projects
will
get
adopted
into
the
ultimately
funding
for
this
year.
That's
august
of
this
year
and
if
funded
the
project
is
slated
to
be
in
construction,
fit
for
fiscal
years,
2023
through
2025.
P
P
I
H
We
had
a
rage
study
that
was
done
recently
and
kristen
can
probably
better
address
that,
but
the
proposed
debt
service
with
srf
and,
of
course,
we're
going
to
aggressively
pursue
grants
also
is
within
what
was
projected
for
the
increases
over
the
next
time
period
by
the
consultant.
That
did
the
study
and
I
believe
that
was
three
percent.
E
So
chris
and
simeone
finance
director,
so
the
study
projected
a
3.75
percent
increase
from
our
consultants
when
they
did
the
rate
study,
which
included
the
subject
to
sewer
as
well
as
this
project.
E
In
our
current
plan,
we
have
two
percent
as
we
as
directed
last
year,
so
we
have
two
percent
increases
over
the
life
span
of
the
project,
so
we
do
have
a
little
bit
of
room
if
we
do
need
to
go
up,
but
currently
our
plan
and
what
we
even
what
the
consultants
are
using
are.
The
two
percent
increases,
not
the
3.75
percent
recommended
by
our
consultant.
I
H
And
that
that
was
adjusted
last
year,
but
the
three
percent
is
just
a
number.
I
use
for
general
planning
purposes,
depending
what
we
get
for
overall
cost,
because
at
one
point
there
was
a
talk
of
this,
possibly
being
80
million
dollars
as
opposed
to
40.
So
when
I
was
using
three
percent,
it's
because
we
were
assuming
there
could
be
higher
cost
it's
down
to
51
now
and
that
that's
hard
to
say
down
to
51..
E
We
did
make
a
few
adjustments
so
our
subject
to
sewer
we
backed
up
a
few
years
since
we're
not
even
ready
to
move
forward
with
that.
Yet
so,
in
order
to
make
the
plan
work,
we
did
do
that
and
also
recognizing
that
the
current
environment,
we're
in
with
prices
again
we're
still
trying
to
keep
those
prices
down,
but.
J
Melissa,
so
with
that
being
today's
number
is
that
just
today's
number,
if
the
plans
are
only
60
completed,
are
we
looking
at
coming
back
and
now
it's
going
to
be
more
than
the
you
know:
where
does
it
stop?
I
guess
is
my
question:
when
do
we
know
what
the
final
amount
is
going
to
be,
if
we're
only
at
60
completed.
H
Yeah
60
doesn't
sound
like
we're
close
to
100,
but
actually
60
is
substantially
complete.
There's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
done
by
the
60
level,
it's
under
review,
and
then
we
have
to
get
to
100,
of
course,
really
until
we
bid
it,
I
mean
we.
We
can
only
estimate
what
these
costs
are
going
to
escalate
to
and
the
51
is
the
number
right
now.
I'm
sure
you
can
address
that.
If
you
like.
That's,
I
think
it's
most
accurate,
I'm
just
stating
it
yes,.
P
We're
pretty
close
to
giving
our
90
submittal
the
city
has
hired
a
construction
manager
at
risk,
we're
working
with
very
closely
both
on
getting
the
cost
estimates
much
more
accurate
in
terms
of
as
we
get
closer
to
construction
and
as
well
as
the
current
environment.
The
other
thing
we're
doing
is
value
engineering.
Looking
at
any
ways,
we
can
reduce
costs,
shift
scope
and
fix
things,
not
fix
things
but
modify
things
to
be
more
cost
effective.
P
So
I
would
say
by
the
time
this
comes
back
to
city
council,
for
action
for
award
of
the
contract
or
approval
of
the
gmp,
which
will
be,
I
believe,
fall
this
year.
That
would
be
the
that
would
be
when
the
number
is
set.
Once
you
guarantee
maximum
price
comes
in
from
your
contractor,
that's
your
number.
H
H
We
have
you
know
some
of
the
issues
that
this
will
certainly
address
when
we
talk
about
peak
daily
flow
and
our
peaking
factors-
that's
not
just
during
the
rainy
season.
Of
course,
you
know,
as
our
population
grows
and
everything
else
peaking
factors
for
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
remembers
the
tv
show
mash,
but
one
of
the
highest
peaking
factors.
Some
of
the
major
treatment
plans
saw
was
the
last
episode
of
mash
when
it
finished,
everyone
went
and
flushed,
and
some
of
the
treatment
plans
actually
got
washed
out
because
of
that
little.
C
H
Fact
that
there
were
there
were
articles
on,
but
there
were
actually
articles
on
that,
but
you
know
we'll
address
those
peaking
factors.
So
when
you
can
put
the
proper
peak
flows
through
the
plant
than
the
downstream
treatment
processes
are
functioning
properly,
they're
not
washed
out
et
cetera
and
then
increasing.
You
know
overall
capacity
and
treatment
capability.
Also,
so
we
have
quantity
and
quality
improvements
that
will
really
take
us
into
the
future
that
we.
F
But
we
do
have
wiggle
room,
because
you
know
we
had
thought
3.7
and
we're
going
to
stop
it
too.
So,
even
if
the
costs
go
up,
you
know,
I
guess
my
thinking
on
this
is
we
have
to
do
this
and
the
sooner
we
get
started
bidding
the
better
we
are
as
far
as
high
costs.
So
I
mean
it's
not
like.
This
is
something
we
can
put
off
five
years.
This
has
to
be
done
now.
F
A
How
would
this
affect
future
annexations
are?
We
are
we
predicting
as
an
example
charlotte
park
if
charlotte
park
were
to
consider
annexation?
How
much
difference
is
it
going
to
make
in
the
longevity
of
the
the
future
plant
that
it
that
we're
developing
is?
Is
this
going
to
be
sufficient
for
future
annexations
that
we're
considering.
H
Well,
there's
multiple
facets
of
that,
which
I'm
sure
you
can
also
address,
but
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
look
at
is
what
council
approves
as
our
service
area.
So,
even
though
we
have
annexations
ongoing
much
of
that
service
area
that
we're
annexing
already
is
served
or
proposed
to
be
served
by
the
city
of
wastewater
treatment
and
water
treatment
facilities.
So
we
have
to
look
at
our
ultimate
service
area
and
how
that
boundary
may
expand
as
much
as
annexation,
because
much
of
that
annexation
is
already
in
that
boundary.
A
I
mean,
I
know
you
know,
developments
like
waterford
are
already
in
water
and
sewer
service
area.
So
you
know
some
of
those
may
not
matter
because
we're
already,
including
them
in
what
what
we
service
right
now
right.
H
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
planning
sufficiently
ahead
hold
on.
One
second
mark
go
ahead.
J
P
So
essentially,
yes,
the
part
of
the
process
that
will
be
impacted
and
replaced
during
this
project,
typically
for
planning
different
things,
whether
it's
the
tanks,
usually
between
30
and
50
years,
depending
on
how
they're
designed
the
equipment
typically
has
a
30-year
lifespan
associated
with
it.
In
terms
of
how
we
we
look
at
the
aging
of
that
equipment,
so
you're
looking
at
once.
These
improvements
are
done.
P
G
I
So
this
is
a
question
I
I
know
the
answer
to
this,
but
I
got
this
question
from
my
advisory
group.
So
for
the
record
I
understand
that
we
dispose
of
the
water
through
deep,
well
injection
below
the
aquifer,
and
that's
going
to
continue
with
this
with
the
enhancements
here.
But
can
can
you
comment
on
why
that's
preferable
to
surface
water
discharge?
Sure.
P
The
surface
water
that
it
discharged
did
discharge
to
is
outstanding
water
of
florida.
What
ends
up
happening
with
those
discharges?
Those
surface
wire
discharges
is
that
over
time,
more
and
more
regulations
fall
upon
those.
So
it
used
to
be
nutrient
removal
which
the
plant
currently
does
not
designed
to
do
the
plant.
This
takes
out.
Some
nitrogen
doesn't
address
phosphorus
at
all.
P
As
part
of
this
upgrade
specifically,
we're
act
asked
to
make
sure
there's
enough
room
within
the
treatment
plant
capacity
that
if
we
need
to
remove
those
nutrients
in
the
future,
we
can
so
so,
if
you
guys
end
up
going
to
a
public
access
reuse
in
the
future.
P
That
would
be
a
reason
to
to
do
that
project,
but
currently
plant
is
not
designed
to
discharge
the
surface
water
body.
Another
consideration
is
senate
bill
64,
which
was
a
pass
last
year,
specifically
by
2032.
P
Everyone
who
has
a
surface
water
discharge
has
to
eliminate
that
discharge
or
reduce
it
back
to
some
limited
amount
during
wet
weather
events,
so
essentially
the
city
or
the
count.
Sorry,
the
state
has
decided
that
it
is
a
priority
to
not
only
protect
our
surface
water
bodies
from
treated
effluent
wastewater,
but
also
to
make
beneficial
reuse
of
that
water
or
not,
basically,
just
not
put
it
out
to
our
surface
water
bodies
any
longer.
H
And
that's
what
a
reference
does
the
state
regulation
that
just
came
through,
but
even
temperature
is
considered
a
contaminant
in
many
regards
when
you
look
at
sensitive
ecosystems,
so
you
put
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
discharging
four
million
gallons
a
day.
Even
the
temperature
itself
can
be.
You
know
detrimental
in
some
cases
to
environments
you're
discharging
too,
when
you
put
a
deep
well
injection
and
it's
not
just
wastewater,
it
could
be
waste
material
from
our
ro
plant
or
whatever.
The
case
may
be.
H
H
You
know
right
now,
generally
the
preferred
method
and
that's
one
of
the
things
we
discussed
when
we
talked
about
putting
the
force
main
out
riverside
how
there
were
several
point
source
discharges
there
that
in
the
future,
because
the
state
regulations
may
want
to
now,
as
stephen
said,
connect
to
our
our
force
name
because
that'll
be
available,
so
that
we're
actually
helping
point
source
discharges
and
almost
like
a
septic
to
sewer
project
at
a
different
scale,
because
it's
treated
wastewater.
But
they
can
then
discharge
to
a
treatment
plant.
K
Thank
you.
I
guess
one
last
question
would
be
so
so
the
way
this
is
designed
now
it
it
doesn't
increase
capacity
per
se,
but
it
makes
it
more
efficient.
So
there's
more
capacity
within
the
existing
footprint.
P
Let
me
probably
answer
a
different
question,
so
if
I
don't
answer
your
question,
please
just
let
me
know
and
I'll
try
to
get
to
it.
Essentially
what
we
found
is,
while
the
plant
was
rated
for
four
million
gallons
a
day
under
the
current
loadings
for
the
plant,
so
basically
the
biological
matter
that's
coming
in
there.
It
can't
do
four
million
gallons
a
day.
So
essentially,
this
project
restores
that
capacity
replaces
the
existing
equipment
which
is
aged
out
in
terms
of
serviceability
and
the
other
part,
which
gets
a
little
bit
to
additional
capacity.
P
We
are
expanding
the
hydraulic
capacity,
meaning
you
know
when
you
get
high
flow
volumes,
whether
it's
peak
season
or
rainy
season,
the
plant
will
be
able
to
handle
that
better
and
then
the
other
part
is
this.
The
design
that
we're
doing
currently
is
expandable.
So
there's
plans
within
that
to
if,
at
some
point,
you
guys
add
additional
customer
base
or
as
as
infill
happens
as
your
septic,
the
sewer
program
happens,
we'll
be
able
to
just
expand
another
module
into
the
process
and
add
another
2
million
gallons
a
day
of
capacity.
P
H
You
we
also
have,
even
with
our
clarifiers,
you
know
sedability
once
you
treat
it
biologically.
You
have
to
settle
these
solids
out
and
when
you
have
hydraulic
capacity
issues,
you
can't
settle
that
out
in
the
clarifiers.
We
need
to
get
more
capacity
there
that
end
of
the
plant,
we're
expanding
so
that
we
have,
I
believe,
a
modified
lee
jack
head
injure
process,
the
mle,
which
can
then
do
nitrogen
reduction.
H
If
we
need
to,
we
can
convert
ammonia
now,
but
we
can't
really
reduce
nitrogen
and
aren't
required
to,
but
at
the
same
time,
it'll
give
us
that
capability,
so
we
can
have
a
higher
quality,
even
at
subsurface
injection.
So
it
does
a
lot
of
things
not
only
biologically
sedability
hydraulically
expansion
and
the
treatment
capacity
as
far
as
quality.
So
a
lot
of
these
things
all
in
one
project,.
A
G
G
G
And
my
other
comment
is
on
the
state
revolving
loan
thing:
one
percent
interest
was
used,
you
don't
have
that
loan
and
I
don't
know
where
the
state
is
going
with
their
state
revolving
loan
program,
but
money
will
get
tight.
There
won't
be
enough
to
go
around
and
it
may
be.
The
rules
may
change
so
that
one
percent
basis
for
20
years
for
your
full
project.
G
H
I
can't
answer
that
question.
I
don't
have
anyone
have
any
comment
on
that.
C
H
H
Went
to
the
advisory
board.
A
C
A
E
So
I
believe
the
there
was
just
some
urgency
that
it
needed
to
come
to
council
because
of
the
short
time
frame
to
be
able
to
complete
the
process
to
get
on
the
agenda
for
the
srf
board
to
be
able
to
do
the
approval.
So
I
think
that
was
the
issue
as
far
as
why
it
did
not
make
it
on
their
meeting
but
made
it
to
your
meeting.
I
So
if,
if
we
act
on
this
today
because
dennis
raises
some
good
points,
but
if
we
act
on
this
today
in
the
interest
of
expediency
moving
forward
and
then
if
the
advisory
board
raises
some
issues,
that
are
contrary,
would
we
still
have
an
opportunity
to
revisit
this,
or
is
this
it
and
we're
moving
forward,
regardless
of
what
they
say?
Because
I
understand
especially
one
point
you
made
about
if
we
need
to
get
this
loan
and
we
need
to
get
things
moving,
we
need
to
secure
contracts
and
get
the
pricing.
I
P
So
let
me
address
that
and
dan.
If
I
misspeak
please
jump
in
my
understanding,
is
that
the
way
that
the
srf
program
works,
you
know
the
sooner
you
get
your
documentation
in
the
higher
up
on
the
list,
the
sooner
they
can
review.
Your
information
ask
questions
about
it.
Get
you
a
better
chance
of
getting
that
funding.
There
was
a
specific
time
frame
that
we're
trying
to
hit
with
us.
I
know
specifically
when
we
were
talking
with
the
city
back.
I
believe
it
was
in
march
planning
on
how
we
would
get
everything
done.
P
You
know
we
laid
out
kind
of
a
schedule
like
hey.
We
need
to
get
the
facilities
planned
done
by
this
date,
reviewed
by
staff,
updated
by
cdm
smith
back
to
staff,
so
that
actually
it's
been
submitted,
the
ddp
already
for
for
initial
review,
and
so
now
we're
asking
you
guys
to
adopt
this
via
resolution,
so
we
can
move
forward
now.
The
other
part
of
this
is
is
if
it
goes
to
the
utility
council,
they
say
no,
we
don't
like
this
project
and
they
lay
out
enough
reasons
not
to
do
the
project.
P
H
And
let
me
add
that,
obviously,
it's
not
a
new
project.
It's
been
on
the
books
for
years,
the
rate
study
incorporated
rates
potentially
for
the
upgrade
of
this
system.
The
design
plans
are
60,
as
as
you
referenced,
and
when
you
look
at
the
resolution
that
you're
being
asked
to
approve,
it's
approved
the
facilities
plan.
That
includes
the
design,
as
we
know
it
today
with
cost
so
that
it
can
be
submitted
under
signature
to
srf.
H
That's
what
you're
being
asked
to
approve
if
utility
advisory
board
continues
to
review
it
and
they
have
different
comments
and
they
bring
it
back.
We're
not
even
100
plans
yet
and
that's
really.
What
that
would
affect
is
how
the
design
is
the
financing.
We
have
a
pretty
good
handle
on
financing.
What
srf
does
not
first
radio
there
and
actually
srf
is
now
going
to
be
given
some
federal
money
that
they
are
intending
to
manage
to
maybe
grant
money
as
opposed
to
loan
money.
H
So
we're
also
going
to
go
after
that,
but
the
intent
of
this
was
to
take
what
we
knew
today,
approve
it
as
far
as
signatures.
So
we
can
get
it
to
srf
and
get
in
line
for
the
money
if
there's
changes
that
come
after
that,
the
utility
advisory
board
has
changes.
Council
has
changes.
Engineer
has
changes
that
can
all
come
back
for
review.
A
Let
us,
since
we've
opened
the
public
hearing,
let's
hold
the
rest
of
the
discussion
and
we'll
let
the
comments
flow
and
then
and
then,
when
we
close
the
public
hearing,
we
can
continue
the
discussion.
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
E
Yes,
for
the
record,
my
name's
diane
kemp
and
I'm
with
cdm
smith
and
I've
been
working
on
funding
with
srf,
since
it
began
basically
what
they
do
when
they
set
the
interest
rate
as
they
set
it
quarterly,
and
it's
set
at
80
percent
of
the
federal
rate.
Currently,
if,
if
you
were
to
go
through
the
the
affordability
calculation
for
your
particular
interest
rate,
it's
below
half
a
percent.
E
E
F
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
comments.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue?
Anyone
else.
N
Mr
lev,
I
have
a
question
that
might
help
the
council,
okay
and
I'll:
ask
this
of
the
consultants.
N
A
Anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Last
call
anyone
wanting
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue.
Please
come
to
the
podium
motion
to
close
public
hearing.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye.
All
right,
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Okay,
now
discussion.
H
So
if
I
could
just
add
to
what
we
said,
I
don't
want
anyone
to
think
that
the
intent
of
this
was
to
circumvent
the
uab
in
any
manner,
because
their
input
and
comments
are
critical
to
the
whole
process.
The
intent
of
this
was
to
stay
on
schedule
so
that
we
can
submit
for
a
state
revolving
loan
fund
and
regardless
of
what
those
comments
are
or
how
it
changes
it,
we
still
have
to
submit
for
state
revolving
loan
fund.
H
One
of
the
reasons
we
use
construction
manager
at
risk
is
when
we
get
to
90
plans
and
upwards
of
100
approvals,
that
we
can
detail
out
exact
cost
and
come
up
with
some
not
to
exceed
numbers
so
that
we
know
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
at.
If,
indeed,
that
changes
downward
for
some
reason
for
srf,
then
we
can
modify
our
application
and
not
need
as
much
from
srf
or
if
we
get
other
grants
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
if
indeed
the
design
has
to
change
between
60
and
90
or
100.
That's
that
happens.
J
So
it
sounds
like
to
me,
then,
if
we
approve
this
we're
just
rolling
to
get
into
the
loan
line,
but
we
can
also
go
back
and
have
the
board
review
everything
knowing
that
changes
can
be
made.
H
A
A
N
All
right,
this
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
puente
gorda
florida,
adopting
a
facilities
plan
entitled
city
of
puente,
gorda
wastewater
facilities,
planning
designating
the
city
manager
as
the
city's
authorized
representative
to
execute,
submit
an
act
on
behalf
of
the
city
relating
to
an
application
for
a
loan
from
the
state,
revolving
trust
fund
for
waste
water
facilities,
establishing
pledged
revenues
to
repay,
said
loan,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
effective
date.
A
A
A
O
A
Opposed
motion
carries
unanimously,
okay,
and
then
we
have
ga-04.
N
Amending
section,
7
pre-retirement
death,
correcting
a
grammatical
typographical
error,
amending
section
8
disability
to
provide
for
a
multiplier
of
3.5
percent
meeting
section
10,
optional
forms
of
benefits
to
provide
for
a
pop-up
option,
providing
a
new
section
17
to
be
titled.
Post
retirement
investment
account
p
r.
I
a
and
remembering
subsequent
sections
repealing
all
ordinances
in
conflict,
herewith
and
providing
effective
date.
A
Okay,
this
is
the
second
reading
of
this
ordinance
and
we
do
not
require
a
public
hearing
on
it.
We
just
need
a
motion
motion.
I
A
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion-
carries
unanimously
consent
agenda.
Does
anyone
have
anything
they
want
to
pull
on
consent?
We
need
a
motion
to
approve
consent
agenda.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
the
motion
carries
unanimously
and
let's
take
a
ten
minute
break.
Thank
you
we'll
be
back
at
10
55.
C
C
C
A
E
The
city
negotiated
an
agreement
with
cap
services
to
provide
the
building
official
services,
so
we
can
maintain
the
department
it
did
come
under
the
city,
manager's
approval
authority
up
to
fifty
thousand
dollars.
The
department
still
has
not
been
able
to
fulfill
that
position,
so
continuing
continuance
of
the
contract
would
require
city
council
approval.
E
The
department
is
asking
we
do
have
a
current
expiration
of
the
contract
to
september
30th
2022
and
the
department
has
a
need
for
approximately
30
hours
per
week
for
the
building
official
services
and
then,
if
the
city
does
find
the
appropriate
person
to
fulfill
that
position,
we
would
require
it
on
an
as
needed
basis
for
training.
So
the
department
is
asking
for
an
additional
66
000
expenditure
for
a
total
of
116..
E
F
A
I
would
also
add
that
I
have
been
told
that
the
staff
morale
in
that
department
is
at
an
all-time
high
and
that
miss
croto
has
been
out
in
the
field
doing
routine
inspections
every
day
of
the
week
pretty
much
and
certainly
is
out
there
making
sure
that
everything
is
being
done
according
to
our
standards
that
we
we're
required
to
uphold.
So
it's
been
a
very
good
contract
for
us
and
I
might
add
that
there
are.
We
currently
are
two
full-time
staff
down
in
that
department.
H
That's
one
of
the
good
points
that
we're
not
asking
for
additional
appropriation.
We
just
have
to
change
categories.
H
We
have
the
money
in
the
budget
currently
and
even
the
training
that's
occurring
by
our
chief
building
officials,
so
that
others
are
able
to
move
up
into
different
positions
has
been
invaluable,
so
we're
definitely
getting
a
bang
for
the
buck
and
we
were
able
to
look
at
contracts
that
this
organization
has
had
with
other
cities
that
we
were
able
to
then
try
to
squeeze
more
out
of,
and
that
procurement
is
very
good
at
that.
So
it
has
certainly
been
a
benefit.
A
I
also
think
that,
for
all
intents
and
purposes
since
she
is
the
act,
not
the
acting
chief
building
official,
she
should
be
given
the
official
title
of
chief
building
official
for
as
long
as
she's
in
that
seat.
So
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
that
happens.
A
G
A
Q
Okay,
good
morning,
julie,
ryan
senior
project
manager
with
urban
design,
just
real,
quick,
a
brief
background
on
this
particular
project
in
the
existing
capital
improvement
projects.
As
part
of
the
approved
one
percent
sales
tax,
the
city
has
a
complete
street
u.s
17
improvement
project.
Q
Q
Fdot
has
and
construction
funds
were
potentially
going
to
be
through
a
grant
with
florida
department
of
transportation,
florida
department
of
transportation
has
decided
to
have
a
road
resurfacing
project
that
would
incorporate
those
exam
project
limits,
so
the
opportunity
to
get
the
2.5
million
grant
to
construct
that
project
is
no
longer
an
option
for
the
city,
as
fdot
has
removed
that
from
their
project
plan
because
they
are
taken
on
the
project
as
a
resurfacing
project.
Q
Q
Q
Q
As
with
any
fdot
project,
they
are
going
to
design
it
to
their
standards
using
their
standard
treatments,
their
standard
lighting,
all
of
the
fdot
stuff
with
that
project,
if
the
city
desires
to
have
any
enhancements,
meaning
using
our
decorative
lighting
or
using
a
stamp
concrete
or
a
painted
concrete
intersection,
any
of
those
types
of
things
have
to
be
designed,
as
part
of
that.
So
fdot
needs
to
know
whether
the
city
is
or
would
consider
wanting
to
have
those
improvements,
and
if
they
do,
then
the
goal
would
be
to
have
city
staff
work
with
fdot
division.
Q
We
wouldn't
have
exact
cost
for
the
city
as
part
of
this
there's
no
necessarily
dollars
additional
dollars
to
be
committed,
meaning
the
project
is
already
funded
through
the
sales
tax
project.
So
the
goal
would
keep
that
500
000
in
there,
as
so
fdot
could
see
that
the
city
does
have
funding
that
they
can
put
towards
these
improvements,
as
fdot
becomes
ready
to
construct,
which
will
probably
be
somewhere
in
fiscal
year,
their
fiscal
year
2627.
Q
They
would
then,
at
that
time
require
the
city
to
enter
into
an
agreement
for
whatever
enhancements
the
city
chose
with
those
dollar
amounts.
Just
like
any
fdot
project
that
is
funded.
Those
dollars
above
and
beyond,
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
city.
If
the
city
at
that
time
decided
that
no,
we
could
not,
you
know,
wasn't
in
the
budget
or
they
didn't
see
the
need
for
that.
They
would
not
need
to
enter
into
that
agreement
and
fdot
would
just
construct
as
their
basic
thing.
Q
The
issue
is:
if
we
do
not
design
it
up
front,
there
is
no
option
later
on
to
include
those.
So
it's
at
the
direction
of
counsel,
if
you
want
to
move
forward
with
designing
for
those
enhancements
for
the
possibility
of
having
them
or
to
just
let
fdot
run
with
the
project
and
and
use
these
funds
for
other
sales
tax
projects
mark.
I
So
my
understanding
is
what
this
is
mostly
about.
Is
the
stamp
concrete
treatment
like
what
we
do
along
retta
and
while
I
think
that
it's
appropriate
in
that
area,
retta
and
part
of
the
historic
district,
I
don't
see
the
need
to
spend
this
amount
of
money
to
have
stamped
concrete.
You
know
on
a
state
road,
I
mean
let
them
let
them
do
what
they
do
and
we
could
spend
that
500,
000,
plus,
plus
plus
somewhere
else.
That's
my
two
cents.
A
100
percent
agree
as
the
mpo
representative
for
this
council
we've
discussed
some
of
these
projects
at
our
mpo
meetings
and
there's
a
very
real
possibility
that
if
we
put
stamped
concrete
on
that
road
at
some
point
in
the
future,
fdot
may
have
to
come
in
and
repave
again
and
they're
going
to
pay
right
over
it.
So
why
would
we
waste
a
half
a
million
dollars
on
a
project
that
potentially
could
be
taken
away
from
us
whenever
we
don't
pay
attention?
A
I
have
to
say
that
if
we're
going
to
spend
a
half
a
million
dollars,
I
really
think
we
have
to
have
this
traffic
light
on
burnt
store
road.
I
can't
stress
it
enough.
I
get
emails
every
single
week
from
residents
about
the
safety
factors
on
on
burnt
store
road,
and
we
really
need
to
take
some
of
that
sales
tax
money
in
and
get
that
that
project
funded
once
and
for
all.
It's
it's
a
life-saving
safety
measure
that
has
to
happen,
but
this
this
is
frivolous
spending
of
of
money.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
debbie.
F
I
agree
with
that,
especially
since
we
have
evidence
of
what
they
do
when
they
patch
a
hole.
It
looks
horrible.
You
know
it
almost
looks
like
we
have
horses
in
town
and
somebody
forgot
to
come
along.
I
I
can't
stress
enough
that
we
don't
need
we
well
it
does
we
don't
need.
We
don't
need
that.
However,
I
would
like
to
explore
decorative
lights.
I
think
that,
as
you
come
into
town
through
the
historic
district,
it
would
set
up
our
historic
district.
If
we
had
the
nice
lamps,
like
we
have
on
on
41
and
other
places,.
Q
F
I
am
I,
I
agree
that
we
need
a
stoplight.
I
don't
agree
that
we
can
take
sales
tax
money
that
people
voted
on
a
project
which
was
to
improve
those
two
that
corridor
yep.
I
disagree
that
we
use
that
money
for
street
lights.
We
need
to
find
money
someplace
else.
We
can't.
We
cannot
take
it
from
sales
tax
because
that
was
approved
by
porter.
F
F
F
I
always
get
nervous
when
you
guys
bring
stuff
to
us,
and
you
say
we
need
to
do
this,
but
we
have
no
idea
what
it's
going
to
cost
you,
but
now
at
least
you
have
a
cap,
you
can't
spend
more
than
this
or
we'll
come
and
get
you
so.
Q
What
it
would
be
is
and
again
because
they're
not
and
constructed
until
27,
so
to
come
with
any
type
of
cost.
I
understand
so,
but
what
would
happen
was
would
be
that
once
they
were
ready
to
go
to
construction,
they
would
provide
the
city
with
the
dollar
amount.
That
was
necessarily
for
those,
and
if
the
city
chose
to
accept
those
funds,
just
like
any
other
fdot
funded
project,
you
would
enter
into
a
an
agreement
and
pay
the
dollar
amount,
whatever
that
dollar
amount
said
so
it
doesn't.
It.
F
A
F
J
If
I,
if
I
could
just
kind
of
step
back
a
little
bit,
because
I've
gotten
a
little
confused,
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
we
all
agree
that
the
payment
is
is
not
an
issue
at
this
point,
so
the
next
thought
would
be
okay.
If
we
put
up
some
decorative
lighting,
what
you're
wanting
us
to
do
is
we
have
to
design
it
now,
not
knowing
cost
but
design
it.
In
other
words,
we
want
and.
Q
Cost
the
city
anything
to
participate
with
fdot
staff.
To
say
these
would
be
the
improvements
that
the
city
wants
you
to
design
for
and
then,
when
you
go
to
construct
this,
give
the
city
a
cost
of
what
that
contribution
is
going
to
be,
and
then
it
would
come
to
the
council
as
an
fdot
agreement.
That
says.
Yes,
we
will
construct
this,
but
it's
going
to
cost
you
this
so
you're
accepting
that
at
that
time,.
J
Right
so
if
we
say
we
would
like
you
to
put
four,
you
know
light
poles
in
just
for
argument
and
you
give
that
to
fdot
okay.
But
what
you're
saying,
though,
is
we
have
to
keep
money
in
this
particular
improvement,
to
show
that
we
have
skin
in
the
game
correct,
do
we
have
to
keep
500
000,
or
could
we
leave
10
000
in
there
showing
that
we
have
some
skin
in
the
game?
And-
and
you
know
that's
my
question-
in
other
words,
why
do
we
have
to
leave
500
000?
O
J
H
And
I
think
that's
exactly
why
we
were
talking
about
intersection
treatments
versus
everything,
because
we
do
have
you
know
lighting
the
stamped
concrete
et
cetera,
like
julie
said,
but
if
indeed
you
say
well,
we
want
to
keep
decorative
lighting.
We
don't
want
to
do
the
intersection
treatments,
certainly
that's
a
lesser
cost
than
if
we
did
it
all.
So
we
reduced
that
somewhat.
I
don't
think
we
have
to
have
everything
that
sits
there.
Kristin
could
probably
answer
that
question
because
we
do
have
other
funding
in
other
projects
for
decorative
lighting
too.
So.
E
Chris
and
simeone,
so
I
did
want
to
bring
up
one
point
when
you
talk
about
the
funds
sitting
there.
This
project
was
scheduled
for
late
in
the
one
percent
sales
tax
plan.
So
it's
not
like
the
funds
are
there
for
that
particular
project.
There
would
be
funds
that
come
in
later
in
the
plan,
so
you
could
leave
it
there
again,
it's
just
a
planning
number
and
as
far
as
other
projects
I
would,
I
would
have
to
look
and
see
what
other
funding
sources
we
could
look
at.
A
So
joha's
first
go
ahead.
K
Yeah,
I
think
one
thing
we
can't
forget
is
that
the
historic
district
begins
at
the
hospital
and
we
definitely
need
to
have
the
lights,
welcoming
you
in
the
same
way
that
you
come
south
on
41
into
the
city.
You
know
exactly
when
you're
in
pineaura.
I
would
also
additionally
say
we
should
leave
crosswalks
in
because
if
we
do
adopt
the
form-based
codes,
there
are
several
developments
along
marion
that
will
come
into
play
and
they're
going
to
need
to
have
the
ability
to
cross
the
street
there.
K
I
So
just
so
I'm
clear,
because
I
pretty
much
agree
with
what
everybody's
saying
that
we're
not
committing
to
spend
the
500
000
we're
not
taking
500
000
off
the
table
and
putting
it
someplace
else.
The
design
part
is
free,
so
I
I
just
don't
think
we
ought
to
hold
500
000
in
there.
I
agree
with
council
person
lockhart.
That
seems
like
a
really
big
number.
If
we're
scaling
down
the
project
to
just
decorative
lights,
that
may
or
may
not
even
happen
and
the
money
that
we're
putting
this
is
just
future
money.
A
I
would
also
comment
that
fdot
told
me
they're
going
to
repave
17
in
2025..
Unless
that's
changed
in
the
last
couple
weeks,
it
was
always
supposed
to
be
2025.
R
For
the
record
mitchell
austin
urban
design,
the
as
was
adopted
monday,
the
five-year
transportation
improvement
program
does
not
include
a
roadway
resurfacing
project
for
u.s
17..
So
as
far
as
we
know
right
now,
it
is
not
in
the
five-year
budget.
They
could
come
back
at
their
next
in
the
next
cycle
of
the
of
the
transportation
improvement
program
of
the
work
program
for
fdot
and
put
the
project
back
in,
given
the
fact
that
they
are
committed
to
funding
the
design.
R
A
H
You
know
really
with
the
improvements
that
were
discussed.
Danny
real
question
was:
do
you
want
to
do
stamp
concrete
bayford?
I
mean
really,
no
one
even
considered
taking
out
lights
or
you
know,
crosswalks
or
anything
else.
It
was
really
do
we
wanted
to
stamp
concrete
and
pay
the
amount
it
takes
to
do
that.
A
And
they
also
asked
us
at
one
point
if
we
would
consider
repurposing
a
lane
and
turning
it
into
a
bicycle
lane
and
we
have
emphatically
told
fdot
no,
because
that
is
a
hurricane
evacuation
route,
but
it's
also
an
interstate
highway.
You
know
we
can't
be
taking
a
lane
out
of
service
where
we
really
need
it
that
road
is
traveled
every
day
by
hundreds
of
tractor-trailers
going
in
and
out
of
the
city,
so
it
would.
It
would
really
be
senseless
to
spend
money
on
stamped
concrete,
sidewalk
or
crosswalks.
A
A
A
I
received
an
email
or
excuse
me
a
piece
of
mail
a
couple
of
weeks
back
and
there
was
a
request
for
the
city
to
consider
putting
an
iraq,
afghanistan,
memorial
in
our
veterans
park,
and
now
I
can't
find
a
piece
of
paper,
and
I
believe
yes
you're
here
good.
So
this
is
something
that
this
would
be
in
conjunction
with
veterans
park,
downtown
and
we'll
let
the
gentleman
that's
that's
with
the
project
speak
to
us.
S
S
Pardon
me
ma'am,
her
son,
zachary's
name
will
be
on
that
wall.
We
we
initially
were
gonna
put
this
monument
in
dunedin,
where
we
all
live,
but
dunedin
said
sorry
no
room,
and
so
we
decided
it's
got
to
go
somewhere.
It
can
go
anywhere
in
the
state
of
florida.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
thank
you
very
much,
sir.
For
doing
the
slide.
I
just
got
the
notice
on
this
meeting
last
night,
so
please
excuse
me.
S
The
slide
had
to
be
done
by
one
of
the
members
of
the
city.
S
S
Those
campaign
ribbons
will
be
pieces
of
like
stainless
steel,
that's
coded
and
painted
in
the
appropriate
colors
of
each
of
the
campaign,
ribbons
and
and
then,
of
course,
across
the
top.
The
rock
and
I
can't
stand
the
name
of
the
monument
on
the
back
will
be
the
names
of
355
floridians
who
died
in
either
war,
who
were
killed
in
either
war
and
did
not
return
from
the
battlefield
on
the
source
of
those
names
of
the
department
of
defense.
S
To
be
more
specific,
the
defense
casualty
analysis
system,
which
is
literally
as
I,
as
I
explained,
to
people
it's
literally
the
the
office
where
you
know
where
all
that
in
or
all
casualty
information
ends
up
at
dcas,
it's
a
hard
nut
to
crack
to
get
that
information.
It
took
me
about
four
months
and
finally
congressman
gus
bilarakis.
Our
congressman,
where
I
live
in
pinellas
county
was
able
to
help
me
do
that,
so
our
work
to
date
includes
we've
established
our
501c3.
S
We
established
that
last
friday
we
opened
our
bank
account
on
monday
two
days
ago,
and
we've
already
got.
We've
already
raised
five
thousand
dollars
towards
our
goal.
We
had
a
number
of
donations
already
teed
up
and
I
mean
minutes
after
opening
the
bank
account
we
had,
we
had
deposits
for
them
and
we
picked
up
3
000
last
night
from
a
vfw
post
in
pinellas
county.
So
I
think
we're
we're
on
our
way
and
we've
solicited
about
60,
60,
55
or
maybe
56
towns
or
cities
in
the
state
of
florida.
S
We've
had
about
four
return,
our
reply
to
us
with
some
strong
interest
and
we've
looked
at
two,
and
I
got
the
word
on
punta
gorda.
I
think
about.
I
don't
know
last
friday-
and
I
got
the
word
on
this-
your
council
meeting
today,
so
I
want
you,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
ma'am
to
your
council
and
your
citizens.
S
What
we're
looking
for
is
a
partner,
basically
a
partner,
a
city,
town
or
partner.
We
we
take
care
of
funding
and
the
monument
company
pg
memorials.
It's
not
on
here.
Okay,
yeah
pg
memorials,
that's
actually
the
name
of
the
company
picture.
This
on
granite
is
their
name
out
of
vermont,
and
yes,
we
would.
S
The
monument
company
would
obviously
create
it
and
they
would
they
would
order
the
stone
from
india
polish
it
etch
it
cut
it
do
whatever
they
need
to
do
to
it,
and
then
they
would
ship
it
to
the
site
and
they
place
it.
They
place
it
yeah.
Okay,
that.
S
They
place
it
exactly
yeah,
they
bring
it
down
there,
they
got
their
own
team.
That
brings
it
down
on
their
trucks,
they
unload
it,
they
place
it.
Your
none
of
your
personnel
would
be
involved.
In
that
you
know,
the
only
thing
the
city
or
the
town
has
to
do
is
tell
them
where
they
want
it.
You
know,
stake
it
out
and
we're
we're
looking
for
a
town,
that'll
really
get
behind
this,
and
maybe
you
know
get
you
know,
help
us
help
us
get
the
word
out
so
to
say.
S
Obviously
things
like
shrubbery,
mulch,
pavers
lighting,
that's
all
that's
all
would
have
to
be
part
of
it.
Obviously,
and
then
we
would
want
our
partner
to
take
care
of
the
dedication
ceremony
again.
You
know
it's
only
three
of
us,
so
we
figured
that
you
know
our
partner
could
could
could
take
care
of
that.
That's.
S
And
then
the
other
thing
is
again:
I
I
hate
to
sound
like
I'm,
I'm
whining
to
the
mayor,
but
you
know
we're
just
three
and
two
people,
two
of
us
are
semi-retired
and
our
gold
star
mother
is
a
full-time
nurse.
So,
but
we
would,
we
would
also
be
looking
for
that
partner
to
to
to
take
care
of
the
social
media
end
of
it.
You
know,
get
things
out
on
twitter,
facebook.
S
You
know
stuff
out
on
your
website,
maybe
allow
us
to
have
a
little
bit
of
notoriety
or
a
little
bit
of
visibility
in
in
that
in
that
way
as
well,
and
I
I
can't
imagine
that
being
very
difficult
for
for
any
for
any
town
or
city
in
our
state,
that's,
basically
what
we're
doing
and
and
we're
going
to
spend.
We
would
like
to
have
this
partner.
S
If
you
will
identified
by
let's
say
september
august
or
september,
we
don't
even
have
a
website
yet
excuse
me,
but
you
know
we
just
we're
just
kind
of
in
the
first
quarter
here
of
a
four
quarter
game.
S
You
know
first
inning,
I
guess
you
could
say
in
a
nine
inning
game,
so
we're
we're
just
taking
things
pretty
slow
and-
and
we
would
like
I
said
we-
we
we
hope
to
we
hope
to
get
that
person
or
excuse
me
that
that
town
identified-
probably
by
by
september
at
the
latest
big
state,
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
67
counties,
and
so
we
you
know,
we've
all
got
a
little
bit
of
driving
to
do
among
the
three
of
us.
Yes,
ma'am.
S
Not
yours,
but
I
will
I
saw
as
I
was
coming
in
here
today
about
quarter
or
nine.
I
saw
that
sign.
I
said.
Oh,
I
gotta
check
that
out
when
I'm
when
I'm
through
with
the
meeting
I
will.
I
will
do
that
after
the
meeting
I
plan
on
driving
around
the
town,
taking
a
walk
around,
and
things
like
that.
So
just
as
I
did
with
a
couple
other
towns
that
have
expressed
an
interest
in
the
monument
that.
I
Okay,
well
have
a
different
opinion.
I
I
I
think
you
found
the
town
that
would
be
interested
and
would
be
a
good
partner.
Yes,
sir,
however,
my
advisor
group
unanimously
felt
that
it
should
not
be
in
veterans
park
that
we
should
find
another
place
for
it.
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
my
group,
they
felt
that,
for
the
same
reason,
we
didn't
put
the
huey
there
that
we
shouldn't
be
putting
another
monument
at
the
vietnam
memorial,
that
we
should
keep
that
pristine
and
they
had
suggestions
of
other
places,
but
it
was
unanimous
and.
A
Mine
was
unanimous,
the
other
direction
and
I'll
tell
you
why?
Because
that
is
not
the
vietnam
memorial
park,
that
is
the
veterans
park
and
it
is,
it's
got
memorials
of
all
different
types
in
the
park.
The
vietnam
wall
is
only
part
of
that
park
and
the
huey
was
an
artifact.
It
was
not
a
monument.
That
is
why
the
huey
basically
got
voted
down.
J
I
have
a
few
questions
you
had
applied
for
the
501c3
on
april
8th.
It
looks
like
have
you
been
approved
yet.
S
S
S
J
J
S
Perpetual
care
was
was
mentioned.
I
didn't
mention
that
in
in
the
letter
I
sent
to
the
to
the
mayor
addressed
the
mayor,
matthews
yeah,
perpetual
care
was
obviously
something
that
this
city
would
take
over
for
us.
S
J
S
G
J
S
S
They
don't
want
to
sound
dramatic,
but
the
day
after
this,
the
day
after
this
monument's
dedicated
we're
getting
in
a
car
and
we're
going
to
columbus
georgia,
because
we've
already
got
a
spot
picked
out
for
the
for
number
two
and
when
we're
done
in
columbus,
georgia
we're
going
to
go
to
fairhope
alabama
our
our
goal.
S
Our
goal
is
to
take
this
to
to
establish
our
model
or
our
sops
our
standard
operating
procedures,
how
we
interact
with
the
city
and
things
like
that-
take
this
model
to
other
states,
because
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
we
can.
We
can
show
up
to
a
place
that
wants
something
like
this,
but
doesn't
have
a
design
doesn't
have
a
way
to
you
know,
make
it
happen.
So
an
answer
to
the
short
answer
to
your
question
is
our
expectation
would
be
that
our
our
town
partner
would
take
care
of
that.
C
S
With
different
names,
of
course,
the
long
pole
in
the
tent
for
this
whole
project
of
for
for
for
at
least
two
years
was
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
those
names
that
had
hope
that
had
florida
as
their
home
of
record
at
the
time
of
their
death
in
either
in
either
conflict
sounds
like
a
simple
task,
but
it
was
very
difficult.
It
was
a
hard
nut
to
crack
now
and
now
we've
cracked
that
nut.
We
know
how
to
crack
it
again
and
again
and
again
for
different
states.
I
So
I
I
my
group's
concern
was
what
you
said
to
not
take
away
from
the
vietnam
memorial
that's
already
there,
so
they
were
very
enthusiastic
about
getting
the
memorial
and
fully
supportive
of
it.
So
I
would
agree
that
if
we
can
find
a
place
there,
that
does
not
detract,
then
maybe
that
would
be
acceptable.
I
F
S
I
F
I
think
that
probably
what
you
need
to
do,
if
you
get
council's
permission
to
do
this
to
go
forward,
I
would
suggest
that
you
need
to
talk
to
some
of
the
organizations
in
our
town-
the
veterans
groups,
team,
pentagorda,
they're,
big
on
maintenance
type
things.
I
think
we
we
have
the
most
volunteers
of
any
place.
You've
ever
been.
S
F
J
And
I
would
even
add
with
that
perpetual
care,
maybe
if
it's
a
75
000
that
you
think
it's
going
to
take
to
make
this
happen.
Maybe
you
raise
above
and
beyond
that,
and
you
can
almost
consider
that
at
least
for
the
first
year
you
would
donate
to
the
city
or
the
organization.
That's
going
to.
You
know
care
for
the
monument
an
excess
of
you
know.
Whatever
dollar
amount,
that
would
you
know
kind
of
help
start
the
transition
that
maybe
somebody
would
want
to
take
on
that
project
for
for
maintenance,
hi.
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
because
this
is
a
two-sided
monument-
it's
going
to
be
important
to
place
it
in
a
totally
different
direction,
facing
a
different
direction
so
that
it
is
not
in
direct
line
of
sight
of
the
vietnam
wall
as
you
get
into
the
park,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
important
to
the
folks
that
have
invested
their
life
into
the
vietnam
wall.
That's
there
already,
so
that
would
that
I
would
insist
on
that,
and
there's
there's
really
only
a
couple
of
places
that
we
could
potentially
look
at
in
the
park.
A
S
Neglected
to
mention
excuse
me,
I
neglected
to
mention
something
ma'am,
and
that
is
this
will
be
unique
and
there's
no
other
monument.
Excuse
me
when
completed
when
dedicated
there's,
no
other
monument
like
this
in
florida,
you
have
a
monument
in
jacksonville
that
I
bel
that
I
believe
has
names
but
they're
from
that
county.
What
I
think
it's
that
duval
county,
I
don't
know
you've,
got
you've,
got
one
in
the
central
part
of
the
state
where
two
counties
got
together.
S
I
think
polk
county
and
somebody
else,
and
and
did
it
and
did
a
similar
type
of
monument.
But
it's
it
covers
like,
like,
let's
say
world
war
ii
forward,
and
it's
for
the
deceased
servicemen
or
departed
service
members
who
are
just
from
that
county.
S
There'll,
be
nothing
else
like
this
in
the
state
when
it's
when
it
is
when
it
is
dedicated.
A
K
S
And
just
just
for
anyone's
interest
out
there,
that
355
will
include
three
medal
of
honor
recipients,
two
from
the
army
in
iraq
and
a
third
from
the
army
in
afghanistan
and
and
interestingly
enough,
two
of
those
three
medal
of
honor
recipients
from
from
florida
from
the
same
town,
avieto
florida,
which
is
just
outside
of
orlando.
A
H
Just
to
give
you
the
scope,
you
haven't
been
in
veterans
park
yet,
but
no.
S
H
The
vietnam
memorial
wall
is
half
scale,
replica,
exact
replica
of
nbc.
It's
a
beautiful
wall,
there's
a
big
lake
with
a
fountain
in
front
of
it
gazebo.
We
have
memorial
bricks,
pavers
from
each
branch
of
the
service.
We
have
purple
heart
wall
there
with
memorial,
prayer
garden
et
cetera.
So
it's
it's
a
true
veteran's
park.
So
saying
that,
just
to
say
it's
not
our
first
rodeo
right,
jane
with
urban
design,
handles
a
lot
of
these
things
and
would
be
able
to
help
guide
you
through
that
process.
H
H
We
do
with
that,
so
we
just
have
to
make
sure
we
cross
the
t's
dot
the
eyes
cross
t's,
but
then
the
placement
of
that
could
come
back
to
council
council
could
take
a
look
at
you
know
whether
or
not
comfortable
with
that
and
the
groups.
All
of
those
things
that
I
just
talked
about
have
volunteer
groups
that
help
maintain
the
physical
structures
of
these
things.
I
S
I
A
It's
got
to
be
a
partnership.
I
agree,
I
agree.
Okay,
so
are
you
looking
for
consensus
or
a
vote
from
us
to
support
having
it
be
in
our
park?
I
mean
where
do
where
do
we
go
from
here.
S
Well,
that
that
would
be
fine
ma'am
and
then,
of
course,.
S
No,
I'm
not
not
not
now
and
not
anytime
soon.
You
know,
I
would
say,
probably
because
we
want
to.
We
want
to
take
the
next.
What
is
this
we
want
to
take
june
and
july
and
really,
you
know,
examine
different
different
locations.
A
A
F
J
S
A
Okay,
okay,
all
right,
so
you
have
consensus
that
we
would
support
it.
Yes,.
S
A
We
would
welcome
it
to
be
in
our
city
and
thank
you
please
keep
us
looked
in
and
oh.
S
A
A
S
A
R
And
I
believe
we
can
hear
you
here
in
council
chambers,
so
if
you
want
to
share
your
screen,
you
should
have
that
ability
and
and
begin
your
presentation.
T
Okay
well
good
morning,
everyone
we're
heading
into
the
good
afternoon
here
very
shortly.
T
So
how
did
we
get
here
when
it
comes
to
looking
at
your
downtowns
when
we
first
had
communities
were
born,
such
as
pompeii,
paris,
new
york
and
even
pinto
gorda?
T
Every
community
was
built
on
a
grid
system,
specifically
historical
communities,
and
then
the
center
was
the
you
know:
the
city
hall,
a
church,
a
park
where
people
socialized
and
then,
where
people
worked
eat
and
lived,
were
right
there
on
that
main
street
as
well
and
then
backed
up
on
the
side
streets
and
then
around
world
war
ii.
A
lot
of
communities
really
started
this
commercial
development
off
of
the
major
highways
in
the
80s.
T
We
saw
the
huge
development
of
massive
malls
strip
centers,
but
now
we're
starting
to
get
to
this
place
where
we
really
want
to
focus
on
getting
back
to
our
downtowns.
They
have
been
left
in
despair.
You
know,
natural
disasters
have
also
affected
a
lot
of
these
historical
communities.
T
We've
had
defamation
on
some
of
our
communities
as
well,
and
so
what
can
we
do
to
get
back
to
where
we're
looking
at
our
community?
From
that
downtown
perspective,
so
strategies
can
be
taken
to
put
that
fabric
back
together
to
really
repair
the
integrity
of
your
historical
downtown
and
that's
through
proper
building
form
and
development.
Updating
the
city's
zoning
codes
and
ordinances
ensures
that
development
follows
the
correct
pattern.
Moving
forward.
T
Downtowns
are
truthfully
the
heartbeat
of
your
community
when
I
travel,
which
is
pretty
much
every
week.
The
first
place
I
want
to
go
is
the
downtown.
I
want
to
experience
who
you
are
as
a
community.
What
makes
you
unique?
I
want
to
go
to
your
local
coffee
shop.
I
don't
want
to
go
to
starbucks.
I
want
to
go
to
that
local
coffee
shop.
T
T
This
was
determined
off
of
looking
at
the
walkable
distance
between
the
boundaries,
the
presence
of
pathways
bike
paths
crosswalks
and
as
well
as
the
mix
of
retail
and
restaurants
within
that
district.
That
is
really
goes
into
that
necessary
life.
So
is
there
a
good
assortment
of
restaurants?
Boutiques,
you
know
sporting
goods
whatever
it
might
be,
and
then
experiences
as
well
park,
and
you
might
say
that
that's
a
failing
score,
but
it
really
isn't.
T
We
definitely
want
to
see
it
more
in
the
70
to
80
range
and
one
of
the
ways
that
you
can
really
improve.
Your
walkability
is
by
developing
and
implementing
a
form
based
code.
So
what
is
a
form
based
code?
First
and
foremost,
foremost,
it
is
a
tool.
It
is
there
to
preserve
the
character
of
your
community
and
it's
a
method
of
regulating
development
to
achieve
a
specific
type
of
place.
T
T
T
T
Foreign
codes
also
promote
the
creation
of
people-focused
streets.
So
again
it
really
helps
you
create
that
walkability.
It
encourages
signage
that
is
pedestrian,
oriented
and
human
scale.
It
permits
a
variety
of
different
uses
on
upper
floors
like
housing
or
even
small
scale,
manufacturing
it
incentivizes
active
uses
on
the
ground
floor
which
prevent
those
retail
gaps
and
supports
the
concentration,
the
retail
concentration
in
those
key
districts.
T
So,
in
conclusion,
I
wanted
to
leave
you
with
this
quote:
it's
from
roxanne
falls.
She
was
the
mayor
of
cincinnali
cincinnati
from
93
to
99
and
she
was
really
influential
in
cincinnati
and
in
the
form-based
community,
and
this
quote
really
hits
home
for
what
I
think
is
so
important.
Form-Based
codes
can
be
described
as
the
dna
of
livable
communities.
T
K
Anyone
had
any
questions.
I
I
actually
met
sarah
beth
at
a
florida
league
of
cities
conference
and
her
specialty
is
that
it's
actually
helping
small
historic
cities
actually
bring
their
core
back,
because
when
we
talked
work
with
her
about
even
doing
like
leakage,
studies
and
things
like
that,
because
she
recognized
in
coming
here
that
we
really
lack
this
place.
That
really
pulled
everything
together,
and
this
is
what
this
is,
what
we
have
sometimes,
when
we
talk
about
getting
commercial,
it's
not
having
just
things
on
the
periphery
of
the
city.
K
That
doesn't
that's
not
what
gets
you
there.
You
actually
have
to
have
a
place
where
there's
a
critical
mass
of
where
people
come
for
their
basic
needs,
and
this
is
the
thing
that
we
can't
forget
in
our
conversation
about
this
is
that
we
can't
avoid
fixing
our
downtown
there's
no
avoidance
of
it.
All
these
other
conversations
are
still.
We
have
to
get
back
to
fixing
our
downtown
before
charlie,
we
had
a
downtown,
we've
got
to
bring
it
back,
and
so
that's
what
we
have.
K
This
gift,
which
we've
paid
a
great
deal
of
money
for
foreign
base
code,
to
actually
finally
be
able
to
bring
back,
and
as
mentioned
before,
but
bob
shepard
when
he
spoke
that
we've
this
court,
this
these
codex
address
a
lot
of
the
concerns,
but
we
have
to
actually
read
the
code.
It
has
a
35
foot
limit
on
marion,
so
so
it
addresses
that
view
set.
K
It
also
allows
enough
space
and
density
to
allow
us
to
say
between
that
35
foot
and
between
dealing
with
what
the
justice
center
that's
a
range
in
which
we
can
actually
have
different
architectural
styles
to
meet
what
we
want,
as
well
as
address
the
very
important
need
of
putting
residents
back
downtown,
because
the
key
feature
of
what
allowed
us
to
actually
have
a
downtown
before
to
be
able
to
support
two
grocery
stores
drugstore.
All
that
was
the
weeks
we
had
residents.
K
C
A
Right,
our
next
conversation
is
on
land
development
regulations,
draft
other
articles
under
revision.
H
H
R
For
the
record
mitchell
austin
urban
design,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
this
is
the
the
third
of
a
three-part
series
outlining
the
first
draft
proposal
for
the
land
development
regulations
we
had
in
the
first
presentation
to
council,
we
reviewed
article
3
about
the
regulating
districts.
R
The
second
presentation
at
the
last
council
meeting
was
regards
to
article
seven,
which
is
architectural
provisions.
This
presentation
covers
all
of
the
other
articles.
Most
of
these
are
minor
revisions
and
clarifications.
R
This
section
does
include
things
like
parking
and
land,
so
the
proposed
updates
are
really
to
ensure
consistency
across
all
of
the
articles
and
be
current
with
state
statutes.
There
are
updates,
as
I
said,
parking
requirements
and
to
clarify
definitions
within
this
area
highlighted
that
is
the
foreign
base
code
area.
As
far
as
the
rest
of
the
city
goes,
there
is
no
substance.
There
are
no
substantive
changes.
R
So
purpose
and
intent
and
article
two:
it's
just
updating
that
section
to
clarify
the
language
and
make
sure
that
we're
consistent
with
our
our
comprehensive
plan
and
the
city-wide
master
plan
in
article
four
that's
uses
permitted
with
conditions.
R
So
those
things
need
to
be
clarified.
Article
5
plan
developments.
There
is
a
fairly
substantive
change
here
in
that
there
is
a
proposal
for
a
new
plan
development
district,
which
is
mixed
use,
plan
development
that
enables
the
form
based
code
provisions
to
be
used
outside
of
the
form
based
code
area
at
the
choosing
of
those
property
owners
who
would
who
would
be
pursuing
that
plan
development?
R
So
the
form
based
code
is
intended
to
stand
alone
and
and
there's
no
there's
no
way
to
circumvent
those
regulatory
requirements
for
things
like
building
height
or
residential
density
through
the
plant
development
process
it
is,
is
baked
into
the
cake,
as
it
were,
article
six,
it's
application
of
regulations
and
there's
some
minor
clarifications
here,
which
actually
would
be
needed
if,
if
we
were
retaining
the
current
code,
because
there
are
some
provisions
that
conflict
with
the
existing
requirements
regarding
building
separation
and
more
than
one
principal
structure
on
a
site
which
is
interesting,
the
consultant
found
things
that
are
that
are
conflicting
with
our
current
code.
R
That
would
conflict
with
the
existing
regulations
definitely
would
conflict
with
four
base
code
provisions.
R
Article
eight,
as
the
citizen
comment
mentioned,
there
is
a
great
deal
in
here
regarding
the
historic
districts,
the
biggest
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
moves
is
currently
the
regulating
districts
are
called
out
in
section
3.14,
and
it's
moving
a
lot
of
that
into
section
8.1
for
the
historic
districts,
so
that
most
of
this
is
all
in
one
place
and
easier
to
understand
again,
as
mentioned
in
the
first
presentation
regarding
the
regulating
districts
and
overlays.
R
The
proposal
currently
is
for
four
regulating
disks
for
four
historic
districts.
Each
one
of
those
districts
has
different
allowances
and
requirements
and
standards,
and
that's
why
they're
they're
necessary
to
have
those
called
out.
R
The
other
big
thing
that
the
historic
district
section
does
is
it
calls
for
the
designation
of
a
local
register
of
historic
places.
This
is
actually
something
that
the
historic
preservation,
advisory,
board
and
and
city
staff
had
recommended.
A
few
years
ago
before
we
started
the
citywide
master
plan
update
process.
R
However,
it
was
put
on
hold
pending
this,
so
this
is
where
we
would
move
forward
with
with
this
proposal
to
protect
the
buildings
that
are
worthy
of
protection
and
and
stop
worrying
about,
as
our
current
code
does
just
every
building,
that's
50
years
old
or
older,
which
includes
a
lot
of
buildings
that
that
are
not
relevant
to
the
city.
R
Also,
within
article
eight,
which
is
general
standards
of
applicability,
there
are
several
other
changes.
There's
some
relocations
of
certain
provisions
like
soil
conservation
is
going
to
article
12,
which
is
landscaping
standards.
It's
a
good
place
to
put
it
the
waterfront
property.
There's
some
language
clarification
there
and
also
referencing
that
we
we
have
another
chapter
of
the
code:
chapter
six
vessels
locks
and
water
rays
that
governs
those
construction
facilities.
R
So
we
need
to
be
cross
referencing
so
that
everybody
knows
where
the
rules
of
the
city
actually
are
and
then
some
other
minor
changes,
updating
language
and
congregate,
living
facilities
to
be
consistent
with
state
statutes,
etc.
R
Article
9
streets,
the
consultant,
was
surprised
that
we
had
this
article.
It's
typically
not
something
that
you
see
in
a
more
conventional
zoning
code
like
our
own,
they
said.
Well,
you
have
it.
We
could
leave
it,
but
we
actually
update,
recommend
updating
it
completely,
because
the
standards
that
are
in
there
are
not
best
practice
as
as
far
as
current
best
practice
standards
for
street
designs.
R
And,
of
course,
now
the
big
one
article
10
is
parking
and
loading.
The
major
substance
of
change
to
article
10
is
section
10.6,
which
is
parking
parking
for
the
traditional
puna
gorda
district,
so
the
current
proposal
is
based
on
the
existing
parking
requirements
for
development
sites.
It's
really
based
on
balancing
the
current
code
is
really
based
on
balancing
human
space
needs
with
automobile
space
needs.
R
It
recognizes
that
the
the
city
has
planned
for
and
and
made
provision
for
a
great
deal
of
public
parking
to
encourage
small
site
redevelopment
and
directing
parking
towards
those
larger
development
sites
and
as
far
as
staff
is
concerned,
this
is
an
area
of
the
code,
that's
kind
of
weak
as
it
stands
right
now,
and
the
proposed
first
draft
really
doesn't
take
us.
I
think
where
we
need
to
go
as
a
community
in
that
regard.
R
R
That
infrastructure
is
designed
to
help
us
retain
existing
structures
and
allow
small
sites
to
be
built
out.
That's
that's
why
that
was
has
been
done.
That's
those
are
the
policies
of
the
city.
Private
parking
is
really
what
we're
talking
about.
When
we
talk
about
the
regulatory
requirements
in
these
codes,
that
parking
belongs
to
those
property
owners.
R
R
R
So
here
they
set
a
threshold
of
20
000
square
feet
based
on.
What's
in
the
current
code
and
best
practices,
the
current
code
has
a
parking
exemption
area
which
has
no
minimum
parking
requirements
for
buildings
of
a
certain
footprint
and
they're,
saying
that's
kind
of
an
awkward
standard
and
they're
recommending
that
us
move
it
to
a
minimum
lot
size
our
maximum
lot
size
rather
again
the
20
000
square
feet
and
retaining
that
no
minimum
parking
required
on
site.
Now
the
parking
requirement
does
not
mean
how
much
parking
a
private
developer
is
going
to
provide.
R
R
For
those
lots
greater
than
20
000
square
feet,
so
in
the
current
code,
those
areas
in
the
city
center
that
are
our
larger,
larger
development
sites
and
outside
of
that
parking
exemption
area
parking
is
required
at
a
rate
of
one
space
per
dwelling
or
one
space
per
thousand
square
feet
of
other
uses.
R
R
Then
the
third
piece
of
the
puzzle
is
really
those
areas
outside
of
the
downtown
core.
Currently
those
areas
are
subject
to
the
standard,
suburban
parking
requirements
of
two
spaces
per
dwelling
unit
and
a
raft
of
spaces
by
use.
So,
for
example,
office
is
one
per
400
square
feet
or
retail
is
one
for
250.
R
they're
recommending
a
minor
reduction
of
those
from
two
spaces
per
dwelling
to
1.5
space
per
dwelling,
simplifying
office
and
retail,
to
say
one
per
500
square
feet
and
a
25
reduction
in
pretty
much
all
other
uses
again.
Industrial
and
marina
are
recommended
as
being
pulled
over
from
the
current
code
requirements.
R
So,
just
to
give
a
little
bit
more
context
on
how
we've
gotten
to
where
we
are
now
with
parking
requirements
that
are
in
the
current
code.
R
The
city
has
been
really
seriously
thinking
about
downtown
redevelopment
since
the
1980s,
the
centennial
celebration
in
87,
the
build-up
to
that
and
then
that
event
itself
was
really
a
catalyst
for
thinking
or
rethinking
downtown,
and
that's
where
the
the
one
space
per
thousand
square
feet.
That's
where
that
requirement
actually
came
from
in
the
1980s
in
the
purple
area,
it
would
have
been
the
central
business
district
zoning
and
that
parking
requirement
was
baked
into
place
at
that
time.
R
Other
provisions
in
the
code
there
is
a
shared
parking
provisions
in
section
10.4
and
10.5,
allowing
parking
to
be
shared
between
complementary
uses
on
a
single
site
or
between
adjacent
sites.
So
you
know
the
church
may
have
a
lot
of
parking.
If
you
put
a
retail
building
right
beside
it,
maybe
they're
not
open
on
sunday
and
sunday
morning.
They
don't
need
that
parking
and
those
two
sites
could
share
it.
This
is
a
regulatory
tool
to
enable
that
to
happen.
R
There
was
a
provision
early
in
the
code
when
the
current
code
was
adopted
in
o5
for
a
fee
and
lou
parking
where
it
would
charge
where
private
property
owners
could
opt
in
opt
out
of
meeting
the
parking
requirements
by
paying
10
000
dollars
per
parking
space
to
a
fund
managed
by
the
city
for
the
provision
of
public
parking
within
the
fianlu
area
of
the
city
center.
That
was
repealed
in
06.
That
is
a
regulatory
tool
that
was
in
place
for
a
bit
of
time.
R
Also,
the
city
implemented
valet
parking
provisions
in
section
10.11
10.12,
and
that's
about
separating
the
location
where
cars
are
stored
from
the
location
of
people
demand.
People
want
to
go
to
a
certain
place,
and
maybe
if
that
place
is
like
our
downtown,
you
know,
maybe
the
car
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
stay
with
them
in
that
environment.
R
R
So
this
is
immediately
after
hurricane
charlie,
the
cra
funded
a
downtown
traffic
circulation
parking
study,
and
that
was
a
thorough
analysis
of
the
parking
supply
in
the
area,
public
private,
as
well
as
the
demand
and
a
whole
raft
of
parking
recommendations
which
the
cra
actually
followed
through
on
on
many
of
those
in
regards
to
the
provision
of
public
parking
and
then,
echoing
those
previous
studies,
the
the
2019
planned
puna
gorda,
citywide
master
plan
did
recommend
that
alternative
parking
strategies
be
continued
to
enable
infill
development.
R
So,
like
I
said
on
the
previous
slide,
we
were
talking
about
planning
and
and
policy.
The
cra
and
the
city
have
invested
a
great
deal
in
in
public
parking
infrastructure
and,
of
course,
the
wayfinding
system,
which
is
directing
people
to
that
parking
in
2006.
When
that
study
was
done,
there
were
718
active
public
parking
spaces
identified.
R
The
event
center
was
actually
closed
at
the
time
that
they
were
doing
their
analysis.
So
that's
why
that
parking
field
is
not
included
and,
of
course,
lashley
park
didn't
exist.
That
was
a
vacant
field
vacant
lot,
so
all
of
the
red
areas
on
that
map.
That's
where
that
public
parking
was
located
and
since
2006
we've
added
approximately
772
parking
spaces
again
highlighted
in
blue
in
the
downtown
area
for
a
total
today
of
approximately
1490
public
parking
spaces
in
the
immediate
downtown
core
area.
R
So
we
know
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
look
at
this
more
carefully,
especially
as
it
as
it
relates
to
directing
parking
towards
those
larger
development
sites.
The
reason
for
doing
that
is
those
sites
are
more
efficient,
they're
higher
capacity,
and
you
can
get
greater
spatial
efficiency
for
the
number
of
cars
parked.
R
The
2006
plan
recognized
this.
The
map
that
you
see
on
the
screen
may
be
a
little
bit
hard
to
read,
but
it's
an
old
black
and
white
ariel
of
the
the
downtown
area,
and
there
are
these
highlighted
boxes
on
the
screen.
There
are
12
of
them.
Some
of
them
are
harder
to
see
than
others,
but
these
locations
are
scaled
to
potential
parking
garages,
so
potential
parking
garage
locations
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
orientation
there's
one
right
here
that
overlays
the
herald
court
center.
R
This
is
the
parking
lot
immediately
behind
us
here
at
the
at
the
government
center,
which
was
not
a
parking
lot.
At
that
time
it
was
again
a
vacant
field.
This
would
be
the
event
center.
The
two
things
that
are
missing
from
this
map
are
these
two
areas
right
here
which
were
on
initial
drafts
of
the
map,
but
they
were
removed
because
at
the
time
both
of
those
sites,
which
is
the
the
harbor
inn,
four-point
sheraton
site
and
the
city
marketplace.
Both
of
those
sites
were
in
discussion.
R
City
market.
Our
city
marketplace
was
in
discussion
for
a
full-scale
redevelopment,
500
space
parking
garage
office,
retail
residential
hotel,
the
other
site.
The
four
points
that
was
actually
in
the
planned
development
public
hearing
process
and
that
site
included
a
multi-level,
structured
parking
facility
which
would
roughly
occupy
the
space
where
the
existing
surface
lot
is
now.
So
that's
why
those
weren't
included
on
the
map
is
because
those
were
active
in
thought
and
we
didn't
know
where
they
were
going,
because
there
were
public
hearings
and
and
the
decisions
were
not
being
made
yet.
R
So
again,
going
back
to
this,
we
recognize
a
staff
that
currently
the
private
parking
requirements
for
those
larger
lots
in
the
downtown
core.
R
We
also
recognize
that
the
parking
has
a
cost
both
in
terms
of
other
uses
that
aren't
available
for
those
areas
and-
and
you
know,
can
potentially
mean
that
sites
don't
get
developed
if
those
requirements
are
set
too
high.
So
there
has
to
be
a
balance
there,
but
we
definitely
know
that
right
now
the
code
is
a
little
a
little
short
of
where
we
think
we
should
be.
R
So
article
11
sign
standards.
There
are
no
substantive
changes
here.
It's
just
updating
the
proposed
regulating
names,
article
12,
landscaping,
standards,
it's
updating
those
regulating
district
names.
The
big
change
here
is
really
moving
the
soil
erosion
provisions
that
are
in
section
8.13
into
the
landscaping
standards
so
that
all
of
that
stuff
is
in
one
place.
R
There
were
some
draft
revisions
to
article
13
for
events.
However,
at
the
time
that
the
that
those
that
section
was
updated,
the
old
sign
code
was
in
place.
The
current
sign
code
actually
repeals
those
provisions,
so
that
section
should
have
been
blank.
It
should
have
been
well.
It
should
have
been
a
strike
through
of
all
of
those
provisions,
because
they're
no
longer.
R
Review
authorities
in
article
15
again,
this
is
about
clarifying-
you-
know
the
duties
and
powers
and
updating
to
make
sure
that
everything's
consistent
across
for
board
zone
appeals,
historic
preservation
and
planning
commission
and
also
for
city
council.
R
R
Article
16
is
is
application
of
review
and
approval,
so
this
is
clarifying
regulations
and
definitions
and
minor
procedural
changes
outlining
you
know
what
the
detailed
guidelines
and
exclusions
are
for
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
changing
the
language
for
when
a
development
plan,
a
drc
development
review
committee
review
is
required
and
changing
some
of
the
language
and
the
application
for
special
exception
again.
Based
on
previous
discussion
with
council.
We
know
that
one
of
the
things
that's
missing
here
is
revisions
to
the
to
the
variance
procedures
regarding
building
height.
R
R
There
are
updates
needed
for
consistency
with
the
with
state
law
updates
to
better
explain
some
of
the
form-based
code,
language,
other
deletions
and
modifications
to
make
sure
that
the
document
is
is
consistent
and
we're
exploring
adding
some
images
to
clarify
some
of
those
key
terms
as
well
as
reorganizing
the
list,
so
that
it's
just
in
in
an
alphabetical
order
or
or
some
other
type
of
order,
so
that
the
the
definitions
don't
have
to
be
reordered.
Every
time
we
add
one
new
term.
R
R
We
also
need
to
start
scheduling
some
stakeholder
interview
groups
over
the
summer
and
beginning
what's
called
co-testing
and
that's
code.
Testing
is
really
a
piece
of
this
project
where
the
consultants
will
take
the
draft
code
so
really
the
second
draft
of
the
code
and
apply
that
to
specific
developments
to
specific
sites
at
the
choosing
of
the
city
as
as
the
client
and
saying,
okay.
H
And
if
I
can
add
to
that,
the
whole
hitch
in
that
giddy
up
there
is
that,
in
order
to
do
that,
we
have
to
have
consensus
on
what
that
second
draft
will
look
like
when
it
comes
to
parking.
When
it
comes
to
the
densities
and
heights
and
architectural
standards,
we
have
to
have
something
that
says:
here's
the
consensus
that
we
need
to
move
into
second
draft,
so
we
can
take
that
to
the
public
and
then
secondary
to
that
actually
primary,
because
we're
kind
of
backwards.
H
When
you
approve
several
of
these
things
today,
you
heard
the
consistency
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
whether
it
was
the
three
lots
or
whether
it
was
the
annexation
or
that
comprehensive
plan
is
still
sitting
on
the
shelf,
because
we
had
to
finish
this
first,
everything
that
you
determined
can
be
done
under
this
code
when
it's
finally
approved
has
to
be
consistent.
With
that
comprehensive
plan,
we
have
to
pull
that
back
out
and
modify
that
plan,
send
the
letter
to
the
state
that
says
we're
modifying
the
plan.
H
We
know
these
are
the
areas
that
we're
modifying
it
and
then
subsequently
get
that
plan
to
the
state.
For
final
approval,
before
the
deadlines,
so
after
all,
this
is
complete.
That
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
the
overarching
document
that
all
this
has
to
be
consistent
with,
is
a
very
important
piece
that
we
have
to
get
on.
The
council's
agenda
approved
and
move
forward.
F
R
The
cottage
courts
so
again
that
is
a
within
the
traditional
residential
zoning
cl
our
regulating
district,
that's
proposed,
which
more
or
less
aligns
with
the
current
neighborhood
residential
10
zoning
classification.
R
That
building
type
is
proposed
because
we
have
some
lots,
like
509
gill
street,
that
we
had
a
subdivision
on
today
which
are
sort
of
oversized
for
one
dwelling
in
the
current
environment,
where
that
lot
may
be
worth
close
to
a
million
dollars,
believe
it
or
not,
that
one
could
get
instead
of
one
grand
estate
home
or
having
to
go
through
a
huge
subdivision
process
that
one
could
get
multiple
dwellings
on
that
site.
That
would
be
consistent
with
the
scale
of
existing
residential
in
the
area
and
would
be
single
family
in
nature.
R
R
So
you
know
the
cottage
court
in
that
regard
is
actually
a
single
family
type
single
family
detached
type
that
is
actually
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
area
in
terms
of
having
individual
buildings.
F
R
Yes,
so
so
the
the
the
development
standards
are
pretty
clear
as
to
what
a
cottage
court
has
to
entail,
and
essentially
the
lot
size
is
the
is
the
mitigating
factor
there.
You
couldn't
take
a
there's,
a
minimum
lot
threshold,
so
it
has
to
be
bigger
than,
and
I
think
the
current
code
says
12
000
square
feet.
R
We
need
to
examine
that
to
make
sure
it's
it's
big
enough,
but
we
have
several
areas
and
there's
actually
a
couple
on
the
market
right
now
where
there
are
larger
lots,
it
may
be
more
appropriate
to
have
that
cottage
court
scenario
where
it's
basically
a
land,
condo
and
individually
owned
structures
within
that.
So
like
history
park,
almost
look
and
feel
okay,
so.
F
R
C
C
R
There
is
no
minimum
structure
size
requirement
within
this
zoning
classification.
R
R
I
I
Okay,
so
section
article
4.17
point
a
where
we
talk
about
drive-through
windows
and
we're
re
restricting
it
to
one
lane,
I'm
not
so
sure
that
is
the
way
you
want
to
do
it.
A
lot
of
these
new
drive-throughs
have
two
lanes
and
that's
much
more
efficient
because
you
get
traffic
off
the
street.
They
move
them
through
faster,
so
and
I'm
thinking
of
like
a
mcdonald's
or
a
burger
king,
or
something
like
that,
I
mean
the
newer
ones
have
a
different
deal
and
I
think
limiting
it
to
one
may
be
counterproductive.
I
R
So,
just
for
the
record
on
that
that
is
in
the
current
code,
it's
one
drive
through
lane
is
actually
in
the
current
code.
I
know.
I
I
So
I
have
there's
a
bunch
of
typos
and
things
that
I
found
but
I'll
leave.
Those
joan
already
has
those
I
I
will
say
when
you
talk
about
electric
vehicle
parking
and
this
is
under,
I
guess
article
well,
okay,
it's
not
parking
density,
so
I
will
mention
this
parking.
I
guess
yeah,
so
the
electric
vehicles,
the
maximum
of
20,
I'm
just
saying
that
eventually
is
not
going
to
be
enough
correct,
so
to
limit
it
to
20.
I
I
When
you
talk
about,
I
think
this
is
section
12..
I
think
I
didn't
see
anything
in
here
about
permeable,
pavers
and
artificial
turf.
We
ought
to
consider
that,
as
part
of,
I
think,
the
landscaping-
and
I
think
that's
article
12.
A
A
You
know-
and
I
understand
that
some
of
these
lots
have
minimal
square
footage
available,
but
I
think
we
have
to
change
that.
I
think
we
have
to
make
sure
that
there
is
some
sort
of
off-street
parking
for
every
new
construction.
That's
built,
whether
it's
residential
commercial
retail,
I
don't
care
there
needs
to
be
off-street
parking
available
so
that
we
don't
demand
any
more
of
our
city
streets
than
we
are
currently
demanding,
and
there
are
some
streets
that,
in
my
humble
opinion
and
I've
talked
to
a
city,
a
former
county
planner
about
this.
A
That's
a
very
serious
concern
to
me.
I
was
actually
coming
to
city
hall
about
three
weeks
ago
and
I
turned
onto
harvey
street
and
the
ambulance
was
parked
smack
in
the
middle
of
the
road
and
and
people
were
trying
to
get
around
it,
and
I
just
worst
thing
I
ever
had
to
do
probably
in
traffic,
but
I
had
to
back
out
onto
olympia
because
I
didn't
see
the
ambulance
when
I
first
turned
down
the
street,
so
I
had
to
back
up
out
onto
olympia
in
full
traffic
at
rush.
A
It
was
like
noon
time,
which
is
the
worst
time
of
the
day,
and
fortunately
some
poor
samaritan
took
pity
on
me
and
let
me
into
the
traffic
but
but
those
are
concerns,
and
that's
that's
certainly
one
of
the
things
we
have
to
look
at,
but
I
firmly
believe
1.5
is
not
going
to
cut
it
for
residential.
A
The
average
household
has
two
cars
period
and
I
can't
imagine
we
would
ever
allow
less
than
that.
When
we're
doing
these
new,
you
know
regulations.
I
think
I
think
it's
something
we
really
have
to
take
a
serious
look
at
it.
It's
insufficient
to
have
1.5
per
dwelling.
That's
my
personal
opinion
about
that.
I
So
I'll
I'll,
preface
this
by
saying,
mark
kuhrski
personally,
has
never
ever
had
a
problem
parking
anywhere
in
downtown
other
than
clydesdale
day,
or
something
like
that.
So
I,
my
personal
experience,
has
been
I've
never
been
able
to
never
not
been
able
to
find
a
reasonable
parking
space
within
a
reasonable
distance.
I
I
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
here,
because
we
have
to
look
at
these
form
based
codes
holistically.
The
danger
is
looking
at
building
heights
separately.
Looking
at
at
article
seven
separately.
Looking
at
parking
separately
creates
a
problem.
We
have
to
look
at
this
whole
thing
all
in
one
big
piece
and
if
you
this
is
a
plot
of
land
downtown
the
ideal
pro
forma.
If
somebody
was
gonna
build
a
pro
forma
with
this
would
be
to
have
zero
parking
on
this
piece
of
property
and
have
everything
revenue
generating
and
as
high
as
he
could
possibly
go.
I
This
is
a
little
bit
like
one
of
those
dolls
where
you
squeeze
it
and
the
ear
pops
out
and
you
put
the
ear
down
the
eye
pops
out
and
you
put
it
down,
and
I
mean
it
just
it
just
keeps
popping
out
and
you
you
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing.
You
can't
look
at
one
problem
and
say
I
don't
like
that,
and
I'm
gonna
fix
that
you
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing.
I
So,
the
the
to
me
the
opportunity
is-
and
you
have
studies-
and
you
showed
the
map
where
you
had
potential
parking
someplace
else.
If,
if
you,
if
you
force
somebody
to
devote
a
portion
of
their
property,
their
developable
property
to
parking,
then
he's
got
to
go
higher.
He
has
to
the
pro
forma
will
not
work
unless
he
goes
higher.
If
you're
going
to
say
you
can't
go
higher,
then
where
you,
he
can't
do
the
parking,
because
he
can't
devote
all
of
his
property
to
parking
or
he's
got
nothing
left.
I
I
I
don't
know
what
the
right
term
for
this
is,
but
I
think
the
opportunity
here
is
that
the
city
should
we
should
promote
this.
These
other
lots.
So
I
could
develop
my
entire
piece
of
property
and
I
could
participate
in.
I
I
need
my
the
code
says
and
I
agree
1.5.
Maybe
it
should
be
two,
I'm
not
in
this
scenario.
I
We
can
make
it
three.
We
can
make
it
whatever
we
want
to
make
it
make
it
as
high
as
you
want,
but
I
don't
have
to
build
it
here.
I
could
participate
in
a
lot
and
if
I
need
46
spaces,
I
could
I
could
buy
46
spaces
in
this
lot
or
this
this
parking
structure
and
the
next
guy
that
builds
the
other
one.
He
needs
20.
So
he
build
now
he's
got
20..
I
You
got
a
third
guy
who
needs
a
hundred
well
now
you're,
building
a
parking
structure
and
you're
built
and
it's
within
reasonable
distance,
and
and
now
I
don't
have
to
be
a
hundred
feet
gary.
You
could
be
something
less
than
that
because
you
now
I've
got
a
pro
forma
that
works
that
is
lower
in
height
and
I
could
put
the
parking
someplace
else.
So
I
see
it
as
an
opportunity.
However,
it
has
to
be
codified.
I
We've
had
this
plan
since
1990
and
we've
had
these
parking
spaces
or
these
lots
identified
and
nothing
has
ever
happened,
so
it
can't
be
just
oh
well
we'll
do
that
somehow.
That
process
has
to
be
part
of
the
code,
that
that's
what
you
do.
That's
how
you
do
this
and
and
in
that
scenario,
because
I've
been
on
record
before
I
am
in
favor
of
article
3
as
it
is
written
and
I
am
in
favor
of
article
7
as
it
is
written.
I
I
am
not
in
favor
of
article
10
as
it
is
written.
However,
if
article
10
is
revised
as
I'm
suggesting
I
could
be
in
favor
of
something,
maybe
not
as
high
as
article
3
shows
right
now,
but
you're
going
to
squeeze
this
doll.
It's
going
to
pop
out
someplace.
You
got
to
put
it
back
down
that.
That's
that's
where
I'm
at
I'm,
I'm
good
on
on
more
parking
density.
As
long
as
we
find
a
way
to
do
it
that
promotes
the
development
I
am
tired
of
looking
at
dirt.
K
In
agreement
with
mark,
I
I
think
we
you
have
to
view
this
holistically,
and
I
think
one
aspect
is
that
recognizing
the
difference
in
parking
of
public
parking
and
private
parking
is
that
we
we
don't
want
to
have
a
situation
where
the
parking
that
someone
built
is
only
for
their
people
and
not
for
the
community,
because,
all
of
a
sudden,
now
we
have
a
mess.
Now
I
was
like:
where
do
I
park
and
you're
talking
about
power
parking
problem?
K
We
will
have
a
parking
problem
so,
to
some
degree,
two
opportunities,
as
mentioned
one
looking
at
there
can
be
some
sharing
in
terms
of
between
projects
is
also
between
that
and
the
public
sector
and
also
beginning
talks
again
with
the
county
about
actually
bringing
that
parking
garage
to
play,
because
I
think
the
big
part
we
have
to
have
in
this
parking
conversation
is
what
we
actually
need.
Is
public
parking
not
just
parking?
K
So
if
we
can
find
some
place
where
all
the
needs
are
getting
met,
then
we
can
come
to
that
and
again,
not
forgetting
that
we're
looking
we're
coming
out
at
an
overall
aesthetic
look
that
gets
us
here,
because
we
can't
forget
that
if
we
don't
turn
this
on,
you
know
there
is
no
not
doing
anything.
You
know
it's
like
when
someone
swims
in
the
ocean
to
stay
in
one
the
same
place
you
have
to
doggy
paddle,
you
can't
just
stay
still.
You
stay
still,
you
get
swept
out
to
sea.
K
In
our
case,
if
we
do
nothing,
our
taxes
will
rise
exponentially
and
we
will
be
at
that
place
which
was
predicted
which
the
residents
will
have
to
carry
the
city,
and
so,
in
this
case,
we're
trying
to
bring
forth
a
situation
where
we
have
a
delicate
high
level,
technical
balance
between
height
density
and
parking.
I
think
we
can
achieve
it,
and
this
is
why
we
actually
are
taking
this
advice
on
best
practices
of
getting
there.
C
J
I
agree
that
I
understand
why
we've
been
taking
this
little
bites
at
a
time,
because
it's
just
a
lot,
but
now
that
we're
at
this
point.
Yes,
I
think
we
almost
have
to
put
it
all
together
and
look
at
the
bigger
picture,
because
parking
is
going
to
greatly
influence
what
conversation
we're
going
to
go
with
heights.
J
Two
parking
spots
is
where
I'm
at
two:
I
am
not
against
having
off-site
meaning
a
parking
garage.
The
problem
is,
I'm
afraid
of
timing
and
money.
In
order
to
get
that
parking
garage,
we
have
to
have
the
money
now
to
build
it,
and
then
maybe
we
can
recoup
it
from
some
of
the
developers
coming
in
I'm
afraid
that
if
a
developer
came
in
and
said
I
will
buy
into
this-
I
don't
know
where
timing's
going
to
be
and
I'm
afraid
of
inflation
and
what
the
costs
are
going
to
be
to
get
that
parking
garage
done.
J
So
I'm
definitely
not
against
it.
I'm
just
not
sure
how
that
would
all
work
as
far
as
being
able
to
do
a
and
b
and
be
able
to
have
the
the
whole
flow
to
go
together.
So
I
have
a
lot
more
opinions
on
you
know
the
height
part
of
it,
but
right
now,
two
spots
is
basically
where
I'm
at
for
residential
residential
for
sure.
A
Well,
while
we're
talking
holistically-
I
you
know-
I,
I
would
like
to
make
a
suggestion,
because
we're
we're
very
clearly
on
two
different
sides
of
the
fence
on
this
and
we're
kind
of
pitting
one
council
member
against
another.
A
In
this
whole
discussion
about
height,
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
maximum
acceptable
height
for
all
construction
in
the
city
center
district,
including
the
plus
plus
stuff,
and
by
that
I
mean,
base
flood
elevation,
accommodation
and
all
the
roof
accoutrements
and
come
up
with
a
number
that
is
maximum.
You
cannot
exceed
this
number,
including
everything
and
use
form-based
codes.
A
As
your
guideline
of
how
the
building
looks
and
just
come
up
with
a
solution
and
make
it
make
it
a
final
decision,
because
we're
not
getting
anywhere
going
back
and
forth
on
all
of
this
stuff,
and
we
are
clearly
divided,
and
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
keep
the
current
50
and
60
foot
allowances
for
buildings
plus
plus
up
to
a
maximum
of
80
feet
maximum,
including
everything,
because
that's
basically
what
we
have
now
but
nobody's
looking
at
it
as
80
feet.
They're.
A
F
What
my
my
advisory
group
kept
saying:
we've
got
to
find
a
solution
for
parking
and,
let's
face
it,
the
city
has
zero
funding
for
this
right.
Now,
how
could
we
raise
the
money?
Where
would
we
go
to
get
funding
to
enter
into
a
partnership
with
some
of
the
developers
so
that
we
could
help
them
provide
parking
over
here
for
a
development
here
and
come
away
as
a
better
city
and
have
and
have
I
mean
they're?
You
know
we
are
we're
a
pretty
fairly
large
financial
institution.
F
There
ought
to
be
some
way
that
we
can
come
up
with
money
to
help
a
developer
fund
parking
and
my
committee
was
willing
to
pay.
They
believed
that
this
would
solve
a
lot
of
our
problems
in
the
city.
You
know
part
of
the
problem
with
shopping
downtown
is,
there
is
no
parking
and
I
debbie
carey
councilwoman
have
been
downtown
a
lot
of
times
when
I
could
not
find
parking
and
I
ended
up
just
going
home
instead
of
eating
out.
So
I
do.
I
do
think
people
are.
F
H
I
think
there's
multifaceted
responses
to
that.
First
of
all,
if
just
just
take
it
all,
as
it
was
just
discussed,
the
whole
thing,
if
indeed
you
say
you
use
the
existing
bd
and
you
have
60
and
at
12
or
72,
and
then
you
have
six
foot
which
is
78
and
one
foot
above
bfe
is
79.
Feet
say
that
79
foot's,
the
number
and.
C
H
That
79-foot
envelope
it
has
to
look
architecturally
like
the
standards
require,
so
you
know
you're
going
to
have
the
whatever,
but
inside
that
envelope,
then
a
builder
developer
can
determine
do.
I
want
one
level
parking
underneath
with
this
revenue
generating
do
I
want
two
levels
underneath
with
this
revenue
generating?
Do
I
want
to
go
the
whole
way
to
the
top
as
long
as
the
top
is
still
architecturally
correct
and
a
flat
top
to
you
know,
the
envelope
is
per
code.
What
the
developer
wants
to
see
it
be
so
now
you
have
a
maximum
height.
H
You've
got
the
ability
to
build
parking
under
if
they
want
to
which
then
takes
away
from
revenue
generation,
but
you
have
a
parking
code
and
maybe
that
parking
code
is
somewhat
lesser
until
we
get
to
a
full-blown
plan,
but
it's
still
required
to
either
be
on
site,
or
there
can
always
be
a
public
private
partnership
if
they
would
propose
something.
Now,
when
you
get
to
that
with
the
long-term
parking
improvement
plan,
that's
where
dollars
come
in.
H
Have
to
be
for
the
ability
to
provide
off-site
parking
for
development,
it
can
be
larger
than
that
through
the
economics
of
scale
and
part
of
the
funding.
For
that
can
then
be.
You
know.
The
third
and
fourth
level
can
be
gated
say
that
people
can
park
there
where
the
first
couple
might
be
public
and
the
bottom
level
flat
might
be
accessible.
H
Now
you
know,
what's
that,
take
takes
probably
65
000
per
million
that
you
would
want
to
borrow.
If
you
got
raided
and
went
out
for
bond
issues,
10
million
you're,
looking
at
650
000
a
year
in
debt
service,
of
course,
that
can
be
deferred
somewhat.
Depending
on
how
you
structure
it.
That's
a
lot
of
money,
but
when
you
look
at
the
parking
structures
that
have
been
contemplated
over
time,
one
of
the
reasons
people
have
been
able
to
build
on
that
whole
lot.
H
So
there's
a
higher
ad
valorem
tax
from
that
site
itself,
typically
part
of
that
revenue
would
have
been
taken
to
put
towards
something
that
would
have
allowed
parking
in
the
future
if
you're
starting,
you
know
in
a
disadvantaged
area
where
of
course
you
want
to
promote
development
like
after
charlie,
if
those
full
site
developments
would
have
had
a
portion
of
that
revenue
that
it
were
taken
towards
parking
structures
because
you're
not
requiring
them
to
provide
it,
meaning
the
city's
saying
I'll
provide
it,
then
you
would
have
had
that
started
quite
some
time
ago
and
you'd
be
funding
a
parking
structure
that
hasn't
been
the
case,
we're
where
we
are
right
now
and
do
we
need
an
immediate
influx
of
parking
so
that
we
can
continue
development.
H
Because
now
you
don't
have
centralized
management
at
all?
You
don't
have
the
downtown
look,
you
have
you
have
parking
lots
coming
out
onto
the
street?
You
can't
put
street
parking
because
you
have
interest
in
that
entrance
and
exit
ingress,
egress
and
you've
got
sight
distance
problems.
Everything
state
highway
doesn't
allow
for
that
very
reason.
So
if
you
require
that
and
right
now,
everything
on
marion
was
bought
by
someone
that
sold
off
the
lots
and
redeveloped
it.
H
If
you
can't
allow
off-site
parking
or
no
parking,
which
we
know
doesn't
work,
you
would
have
driveways
coming
out
of
every
building
side
or
front
or
whatever
the
case
may
be.
As
long
as
it's
25
foot
you
know,
and
that
would
really
impact
the
major
corridor
of
traffic
coming
down
through
there
so
centralized
parking
you
can
put
somewhere
that
the
infrastructure
can
handle
the
ingress
and
egress
of
the
structure.
You
can
still
do
full
lot
development.
You
can
get
the
ad
valorem
tax
back.
H
You
can
use
some
of
that
to
help
offset
the
cost
of
that.
You
can
allow
developers
to
buy
into
it
so
that
you
know
by
code.
They
have
to
provide
parking,
they
can
provide
it
offsite,
and
this
can
be
the
place
because
you
can't
just
have
an
agreement
with
a
neighboring
property
enter
that
yes
I'll
lease
you
in
10
spots,
because
then
that
property
gets
sold
unless
it
was
a
deed
restriction.
You
go
through
the
whole
process.
H
H
You
know,
two
years
down
the
road
and
we're
talking
about
code
improvements
now.
So
how
do
you
make
that
happen
right
now?
The
code
is
going
to
be
the
code
and
you're
going
to
have
to
provide
the
spaces
on
your
site,
but,
for
example,
just
use
city
marketplace.
If
someone
was
redeveloping
that
and
had
a
lot
of
surface
space
there,
because
they
don't
want
to
build
a
deck
because
it
would
throw
the
project
over
the
edge,
they
have
all
that
open
space.
H
But
if
three
years
from
now
or
four
years
from
now
now
there's
a
deck
there,
they
can
contribute
to,
they
could
come
back
then
and
say
this
hundred
spaces
or
50
spaces.
I
have
on
my
site.
I
want
to
buy
into
that
deck
and
build
a
building
there,
so
they
know
that
in
phased
approach,
there's
a
mechanism
to
get
that
back.
H
You
know
that's
not
ideal,
but
we're
not
starting
from
10
years
ago,
where
we
should
be
we're
starting
from
today
and
looking
where
do
we
need
to
be
10
years
from
now
with
a
code
change,
that's
imminent,
so
you
know
to
require
additional
parking
right
now
and
not
just
say
no
parking
is
required
like
it
currently
exists.
It
really
has
to
be
on
site
because
there's
just
no
other
way
around
that
until
you
implement
a
plan
approved
by
council
that
will
allow
the
mechanism
to
go
down
the
road
of
centralized,
managed
structures.
I
So
I'm
willing
to
consider
something
different.
That's
in
I'm
not
going
to
say
what
number,
because
I
don't
think
the
number
any
number
is
right,
but
it
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
have
this
plant
only
in
lieu
of
having
this
plant,
because
we've
had
a
plan,
but
it's
never
been
implemented,
so
it
has
to
be.
We
have
to
have
the
plan
of
what
we're
going
to
do.
I
We
have
to
have
the
plan
of
how
we're
going
to
get
there
and
then
we
have
to
have
it
codified
and
then
we
have
to
have
a
resolution
or
an
ordinance
so
that
we
know
it's
going
to
happen
because
this
has
been
since
1990.
So
if
everything
greg
said
could
be,
we
get
a
plan,
we
get
a
plan
of
how
we
get
there
and
then
we
codify
it
and
and
by
resolution.
So
nobody
can
back
up
on
this
or
it
could
just
be
forgotten.
I
Then
I
would
be
willing
to
talk
about
something
that's
different,
but
if,
if
you're
going
to
require
people
to
build
on-site
parking
and
decks
and
everything
else,
it
takes
away
from
the
pro
forma.
And
now
you
don't
have
anything,
that's
happening,
so
we
somehow
we're
gonna
have
to
break
that
that
log
jam
and
just
to
say
I'm
okay
with
the
lower
height
number.
Without
having
all
of
this,
I
can't
agree
to
that.
I
If
we
have
all
the
rest
of
this,
then
I'm
I'm
perfectly
fine,
because
now
they
can
get
their
pro
forma
viable
without
having
to
dedicate
so
much
whether
it's
surface
or
whether
it's
decks
explores
in
their
building
to
parking.
So
I
am
willing
to
to
discuss
it
and
and
talk
about
it,
but
it
has
to
be
in
the
holistic
context.
It
can't
be
just
about
a
height
number
or
a
parking
number
or
something
else.
It's
got
to
be
the
whole
thing.
H
And
part
of
that
conversation,
I'm
sorry
is
this
going
to
say.
Part
of
that
conversation
would
probably
be
good
in
our
joint
meeting
with
the
county.
Also
is
one
of
the
topics
you
know
and
how
you
know
how
and
where,
because
they
might
need
to
build
theirs
and
we
need
to
build
ours.
H
Maybe
we
can
build
something
together
somewhere
or
even
two
with
a
single
contractor
in
contracts
or
whatever
it
comes
out
to,
and
you
know,
is
a
parking
pass
out
of
the
question:
do
you
have
you
know
thirty
dollars
a
month
or
twenty
dollars
a
month
so
that
you
know
240
bucks?
You
have
a
pass
that
you
can
get
in
that
deck
and
you
know
that
there's
a
spot
there,
because
you
monitor
the
number
and
people
pay
for
them,
whether
they
use
them
or
not.
It
still
gives
you
public
parking
and
it
sounds.
I
F
J
I
could
just
interject,
so
what
I'm
hearing
is
we're
trying
to
define
things
now
for
future
development?
Correct,
yes,
so
isn't
there
a
way
that
we
can
put
in
the
code
that
says
on-site
parking
or
off-site
if
available
or,
however,
you
want
to
word
it
which
basically
allows
a
developer
to
come
in
and
say:
okay,
I
can
have
on-site
parking
and
that's
fine,
because
I
only
need
a
few
spots.
You
know,
depending
on
what
their
their
vision
is
or
no,
I
need
more
of
that
real
estate.
J
So
I
would
like
to
explore
off-site
what
you
know.
What
is
there
and
maybe
at
that
time,
we've
caught
up
with
that?
Maybe
something
has
developed
or
essentially
they
can.
I
don't
know
who
would
want
to,
but
you
know
they
could
purchase
another
property
to
use
for
off-site
parking.
So
if
we
have
it
in
there,
it's
there
for
future
use
where
we
don't
have
to
go
back.
I
Something
that
was
imminent
because,
where
that
breaks
down-
because
I
I
agree-
but
where
that
breaks
down
is
okay
well,
I
don't
have
that
ability
to
do
offside
parking
today.
So
the
only
thing
I
can
do
is
on-site
parking
and
I'm
back
to
right
where
I
was
so
we're
either
the
code
or
we
or
somehow
we're
going
to
have
to
be
flexible
to
say,
okay,
I'm
going
to
dedicate.
I
I
O
I
O
I
H
A
K
The
two
things
you
know
one:
we
do
have
the
justice
center
as
a
model
for
you
know
height,
but
I
I
do
think
that
this
is
where
the
code
testing
comes
into
play
is
that
we
can
really
look
at
real
things,
because
this
also
can't
be
hypothetical
in
in
that
we
have
to
have
a
real
solution
in
hand,
and
I
agree
with
mark
because
we
don't
have
one.
K
F
R
If
I
may
so,
the
the
planned
development
for
the
justice
center,
the
western
or
the
eastern
parking
lot
is
reserved
for
the
building
exclusive
use.
24
7,
the
western
parking
lot,
is
reserved
for
the
justice
center
uses
during
court.
So
whenever
they're
in
session
monday
through
friday,
and
occasionally
they
have
saturday
courts
outside
of
those
court
use
times,
that
parking
lot
is
to
be
available
for
all
public
uses.
R
Just
briefly,
reflecting
back
on
the
conversation
with
money,
I'm
a
simple
land
use,
planner,
not
a
finance
guy,
but
we
do
have
something
of
extremely
high
value
between
the
county
and
the
city
and
all
the
land
that
the
county
owns
at
the
event
center
and
the
justice
center
are
lands
that
we,
the
city,
have
given
them
over
the
years.
R
All
of
those
public
lands
this
site
the
event
center
site
lashley
park
parking
lot.
Those
are
all
identified
as
areas
where
parking
garage
structures
would
fit
very
easily
and
efficiently
and
those
are
lands
that
we,
the
public,
already
own
and
control.
So
that
has
some
value.
So
if
there
were
solid
plans
in
place
saying
this
is
the
site
of
public-private
partnership,
parking
garage,
we're
basically
quote-unquote
giving
the
land
for
free
for
the
parking
and
then
the
structure
cost
is
more
of
the
pub
the
private
participation
piece.
R
H
J
I'm
gonna
throw
this
out
just
to
kind
of
move
conversation.
Here's
where
I'm
at
personally,
I'm
at
80
foot,
no
community
benefits
with
the
height
variance
and
two
parking
spots,
residential.
J
Foot
and
no
no,
no
community
benefits
we
put
in
that
height
variants
that
we
discussed
before,
where
it
had
to
be
done
by
ordinance,
not
just
per
developer
and
two
parking
spots
per
residential,
so
80
feet
all
in
all
in
just
so.
I
can
live
with
them.
J
And,
and
and
and
adding
to
it,
not
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you
but
adding
to
it
that
off-site
option.
However,
it
would
have
to
be
written.
Knowing
the
developer
may
come
in
and
say
you
know
what
I'd
be
willing
to
put
some
skin
in
the
game
to
start
developing
that
developing
that
off
site,
because
that
property
is
important
to
me
and
puna
gorda
needs
to
to
have
that
charm
and
they
know
they're
going
to
be
successful
here.
So.
J
J
H
H
N
J
N
J
K
N
You
set
the
cap
and
you
say
no
variances
from
that
cat.
Then
the
question
was
arose.
Well
then,
a
subsequent
city
council
can
change
the
zoning
to
eliminate
that
no
variance
language.
So
the
only
way
you
could
kind
of
protect
against
that,
but
it
does
provide
us.
A
level
of
protection
is
put
in
the
same
language
that
you're
saying
no
variants.
N
J
J
J
N
But
so
there
would
be
no
variance
period,
yes,
but
the
con
the
discussion.
Also,
then,
the
question
was
asked
well,
but
then,
let's
say
in
the
future,
some
city
council
decided
to
take
that
prohibition
against
variances
out
of
the
equation.
Well,
you
can't,
I
mean
it's
difficult
for
you
to
to
bind
to
future
city
councils,
but
you
can
provide
in
the
code
that,
in
order
to
change
that
provision
in
the
code
no
variances,
it
would
require
a
super
majority.
N
F
A
J
H
H
A
Talked
at
the
last
couple
of
meetings
about
the
eastern
part
of
the
city,
where
we
have
the
medical
overlay
district
and
the
potential
to
build
a
little
bit
higher
over
there
if
it's
so
desired.
That
is
a
lot
less
residential
and
a
lot
less
constricted
than
the
city
center
downtown,
and
I
I
really
don't
have
a
problem
with
something
a
little
higher
over
there,
because
it
would
be
cohesive
with
the
justice
center
and
some
of
the
other
buildings
that
are
over
there
already.
So.
A
A
new
hospital
that's
or
even
an
addition
on
this
hospital
if
it's
so
desired.
So
okay,
so
I
know
we
don't
have
100
consensus
on
this,
but
I
we
have.
A
majority
majority
is
looking
at
doing
a
maximum
all-in
height
restriction
of
80
feet,
with
no
community
benefits
and
no
variances
and
without
parking
requirements.
C
F
K
A
We'll
certainly
look
into
the
options
of
of
what
can
what
can
be
added
as
far
as
the
parking
segment
of
this,
but
as
far
as
the
general
principle
of
what
we're
talking
about,
I
think
we
have
to
come
to
some
sort
of
an
agreement,
even
if
it's
just
a
majority
agreement
that
this
is.
This
is
something
to
start
with.
We.
J
K
At
the
base,
flood
elevation
we're
not
giving
anybody
anything
again,
look
at
the
justice
center
for
as
a
model
for
maybe
what's
viable.
But
what
we're
saying
now
is:
actually
you
can
build
exactly
the
same
building
code
as
now
just
nice
words,
and
so
we
have
to
really
look
at
this
and
see
if
it's
viable
or
not.
But
if
we
don't
include
the
parking
as
part
of
the
conversation,
then
this
is
it's
already
a
day.
J
In
parking
for
the
conversation,
what
we're
doing,
and
it's
not
that
we're
important
we're
not
on
the
same
we're,
not
where
we
were
where
we
started.
What
we're
doing
right
now,
where
we
are,
is
that
anybody
can
come
in
and
ask
for
any
type
of
height.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
try
to
narrow
it
down
and
give
it
definitive.
So
a
developer
knows
what
they're
in
for
when
they
come
into
the
city
right,
but.
I
J
I
Can't
do
it,
but
we
haven't
done
it
for
20
years,
because
jojo's
right
what
you're
suggesting
is.
Basically
we
don't
change
anything
it's.
It
is
some
pretty
words.
We've
changed
a
few
things
and,
and
it's
a
little
bit
nicer
sounding,
but
we
haven't
changed
a
thing.
We
haven't
changed
a
thing
other
than
make
it
absolutely
impossible
for
somebody
to
come
in
and
do
something
you
you
can't
to
to
take
any
kind
of
a
vote
is
premature
because,
as
I
said
before,.
I
I
J
J
K
K
K
B
K
Is
that
we
need
now
that
we've
stated
that
the
parking
is
part
of
this?
We
need
to
not
be
really
premature.
We
need
to
actually
do
research
and
find
out
if
there's
actually
a
plan
where
we
can
actually
come
to
this
nice
middle
place,
where
it's
working
right
now,
if
we
just
jump
without
thinking
about
parking,
because
we
have
a
whole
session
today
about
parking,
we
act
like
it
doesn't
exist,
it
does
exist.
K
No,
today's
the
first
time
we
went
into
detail
and
if
we
don't
acknowledge
it
as
real,
then
we've
killed
everything
because
parking
is
we're
talking
about
six
million
dollars
for
for
a
floor
of
parking.
That's
a
big
deal,
so
we
can't
act
like
it's
like
some
number
or
we
can
just
say:
let
them
do
it
off-site.
K
No,
we
need
to
actually
explore
the
possibilities
of
public
private
partnerships,
explore
the
actual
numbers
of
actually
doing
this
and
coming
out
in
this
way
we
could
come
with
a
height
because,
like
mark
said
the
height,
actually
a
lot
has
to
do
with
the
parking.
But
if
we
don't
address
parking,
actually
it
doesn't
exist
anymore.
Then,
we've
just
killed
everything
from.
J
The
beginning,
so
let
me
ask
you,
then
what
so,
if
I'm
hearing
correctly
we've
all
agreed
that
off-site
parking
is,
is
probably
the
best
way
to
go
about
building
the
city
and
being
able
for
a
developer
to
use
as
much
space
as
they
can.
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
with
that.
Here's.
My
question
that
one
I'm
a
little
confused
about
is:
what
will
it
take
to
get
that
done?
All
I'm
hearing
is
that
the
county
may
or
may
not,
and
we
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
fund
a
parking
garage
in
the
future.
J
A
I
As
my
answer
is
as
long
as
it
takes,
I
mean
there's
no
rush
to
do
this.
We
it
feels
rushed
because
that's
not
true,
we've
got,
we've
got
people,
you
know
making
all
kinds
of
of
erroneous
claims.
You
know
on
social
media
and
other
things.
The
reality
is
that
the
reality
is
that
we
need
to
do
this
right.
We
have
one
chance
to
do
this,
it's
taken
20
years
to
and
and
we
have,
we
still
have
dirt
sitting
down
there.
I
I'm
not
opposed
to
something
that's
less
than
what's
in
the
current
code,
but
you
can't
I'm
not
prepared
to
agree
to
anything
until
we
know
how
we
can
get
to
this
parking
thing.
You
can't
just
say:
well,
we
can
do
it
or
what,
because
that's
what
they
said
in
1990
and
we
still
don't
have
a
parking
plan.
I
If
you,
if
you,
if
you
don't
have
that
piece
of
it,
then
you're
forcing
by
definition,
you're
going
to
force
on-site
parking,
which
then
by
definition
is
for
20
years,
has
killed
the
development
down
there.
You
you
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing
so
to
try
to
agree
to
something
is
not
it's
not
appropriate.
I
I
may
agree
to
less
height
than
that
if,
if
the
parking
program
or
the
parking
plan
was
in
place
and
and
the
community
benefits
thing
that
that
that
is
most
the
most
misunderstood
part
of
this
whole
thing,
if
we
had
community
benefits
today,
we
would
already
have
a
parking
structure
at
the
justice
center
because
they
got
to
build
that
building
for
nothing.
They
did
they
built
a
building
that
was
way
higher
than
it
should
have
been,
and
they
didn't
have
to
contribute
anything
to
the
city.
I
If
that
was
done
today
under
community
benefits,
we
could
have
a
parking
structure
there
and
we
wouldn't
be
having
this
problem
so
so
to
to
to
give
people
something
for
nothing.
I
mean
we
ought
to
get
something
for
it.
That's
what
community
benefits
is
about.
It's
very
misunderstood,
so
I
don't
agree
to
eliminating
the
benefits.
I
can't
agree
to
a
height
right
now,
only
because
I
think
it's
premature,
you
can
get
my
agreement
on
that,
but
you
have
to
look
at
the
whole
thing.
J
So
and
what
I
definitely
agree
with
is
we
do
have
one
chance
to
get
a
rate.
I
100
agree,
I'm
getting
you
know
what
I'm
getting.
The
fact
is.
We
have
been
looking
at
this
for
some
time,
though
this
hasn't
been
something
that
we've
just
picked
up.
It's
been
previous
to
both
of
us
on
council.
You
know
for
many
years
greg.
Maybe
it's
a
question
for
you.
J
What
are
we
looking
at
timeline?
I
mean
you
know,
I'm
hearing
that
we're
trying
to
get
some
things
done
by
end
of
the
year
and
this
and
that
and
I
feel
like,
although
I
agree
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
something
definitive
with
the
study
of
what
off-site
parking
could
look
like
in
the
next
three
or
four
months.
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
happen
so
where
would
we
end
up
because
with
right
now,
we're
kind
of
could
be
at
a
stalemate.
J
H
That's
correct
what
mitchell
would
presented
on
the
screen
was
generally
accurate.
As
far
as
we're
trying
to
get
a
comp
plan
amendment
approved
by
november.
That's
our
timeline
so
that
we
can
submit
that
to
the
state
and
when
we
submit
that
letter
to
the
state,
then
we
have
time
to
finalize
the
comp
plan.
How.
H
J
Okay,
so
if
we
were
to
move
forward-
and
I
understand
I'm
just
what
I'm
trying
to
do-
is
just
make
sure
that
we're
all
you
know
understanding.
So
if
we
came
up
with
whatever
decision
it
might
be,
we
send
that
to
the
state
november
comes
back
to
us
or
by
november.
Excuse
me:
we
have
a
year
from
there
to
then
do
and
codify
the
rest
of
the.
For,
for
what
we've
started
with.
Is
that
correct.
J
H
I
And
that
second
draft
needs
to
include
the
second
draft
needs
to
include
the
parking
plan
and
the
plan
to
get
from
where
we
are
to
there.
That
has
to
be
part
of
it,
it
can't
be,
and
how
does
then
that
become
part
of
the
code,
because
it
isn't.
I
don't
think
it's
just
as
easy
as
saying
you
can
do
off-street
parking
or
you
can
do
this
other
thing
I
think,
there's
it
feels
to
me
like
there's
more
to
it,
so
so
that
has
to
be
part
of
it.
H
And
when
we,
when
we
do
a
parking
plan,
for
example,
we're
looking
for
a
parking
improvement
plan
with
a
structure,
I
mean
I'm
going
to
be
a
bit
facetious,
because
you
could
do
it
very
quickly
because
you
could
say:
let's
go
get
raided
once
we
get
raided,
we'll
do
a
bond
issue,
we'll
get
the
brokerage
houses
to
buy
the
bonds,
we'll
put
it
out
for
bid
we'll
get
a
contractor
and
build
a
structure.
So
now,
by
doing
that,
you've
increased
our
budget
by
a
million
bucks
for
debt
service
and
that's
the
problem.
H
I
So
we
already
have
the
basis
of
a
plan.
There
I
mean
you're,
showing
it
mitchell
was
showing
different
spots.
I
mean
we
know
where
they
would
go
so
now.
It's
just
kind
of
figuring
out
some
of
that
piece.
That's
all!
That's
all
I'm
saying
and
then
and
then
it
it.
Then
it
makes
a
proforma
more
viable
and
we
could
start
to
move
off
the
dime
at
a
height
that
other
people
might
feel
more
comfortable
with.
H
A
I
would
suggest
we
do
that
as
soon
as
possible
and,
secondly,
the
pgica
has
offered
their
facility
for
any
of
the
community
workshop
meetings.
We
want
to
have
they've
offered
that
for
town
hall
meetings,
public
workshops,
whatever
we
need
it
for
and
if
they're
not
available
the
military
heritage
museum
will
do
them.
So
we
do
have
venues
available
to
to
accommodate
residents
who
want
to
participate.
H
Revenue,
bonds,
yeah
full
faith
and
credit,
and
we
would
I
mean
that
would
give
us
something
to
put
in
draft
two
to
put
out
there
and
see
what
it
looks
like
I
mean
that
would
give
us
a
place
to
go,
so
we
can
try
to
at
least
move
things
forward.
I
guess:
okay.
C
A
At
we,
we
have
three
people
who
are
supporting
melissa's
proposal
and
two
against
at
this
point.
Does
everyone
agree
about
the
two
parking
spots
off-street
parking
spots
for
residential
construction.
A
And
I,
when
I
spoke
to
the
historic
district
hoa
a
year
or
so
ago,
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
complaints
that
they
they
gave
to
me
was
that
we
are
allowing
new
construction
to
not
have
off-street
parking
and
it's
creating
problems
for
them.
So
that
was
one
of
the
requests
that
that
I
brought
back.
That
was
my
takeaway
and,
and
they
wanted
to
see
all
construction
has
to
have
parking
on
the
property,
so
that
would
certainly
alleviate
some
of
the
stress
on
the
street
parking
overnight.
So
that
does
everybody
agree
about.
That.
A
A
I
Let's
start
okay,
if
we
could
start
with
directing
them
to
do
a
parking
plan.
If
we,
if
we're
going
to
direct
them
to
do
a
parking
plan
to
make
it
part
of
this,
then
I
can
agree
to
a
lot
of
other
stuff.
But
I
don't
want
to
piecemeal
this
and
agree
to
parking
density,
height,
number,
community
benefits
or
no
community
benefits,
because
I'll
agree
to
a
lot
once
I
know
that
a
parking
plan
is
going
to
and
and
by
ordinance
going
to
be
part
of,
or
by
code
going
to
be
part
of
this
right.
K
H
A
I
can't
imagine
that
multi-family
housing
is
any
different
than
single-family
housing.
I
think
most
people
who
are
married
couples
have
two
cars
period.
I
I
don't.
I
know
a
very
few
people
who
don't
and-
and
the
comment
was
made
in
one
of
the
emails
we
got.
You
know
our
residents
are
elderly
in
most
cases
and
they're
not
going
to
walk
or
ride
a
bicycle
to
go
to
dinner
downtown.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
So
yeah.
I
agree.
We
have
to
have
a
parking
plan.
A
I
have
no
disagreement
with
that
whatsoever,
but
at
some
point
we
have
to
start
moving
some
of
these
things
forward
and
at
least
have
some
guidance
and
direction
to
staff
and
and
let's
start
working
on
a
parking
plan.
Let's
have
a
meeting
with
the
county
commissioners,
that's
a
starting
point:
let's
see
if
that
has
any
merit.
If
it,
if
it's
worth
pursuing
or
do
we
have
to
do,
we
have
to
do
a
referendum
for
a
bond
issue.
I
don't.
A
C
N
But
mitchell
in
your
in
your
graph
that
your
division
you've
got
less
than
20
000
and
greater
than
20
000.
It
should
be
less
than
or
equal
to
20
000
and
then
greater
than
20
000.
A
N
A
M
L
City
clerk
for
the
record,
my
my
item's
gonna
be
like
a
blink
of
an
eye
compared
to
the
plus
discussion
boards
and
committees.
We
just
have
some
vacancies
to
announce.
We
have
two
alternates
on
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
We
have
two
alternates
on
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
have
three
seats
on
the
utility
advisory
board
and
two
seats
on
planning.
You
may
have
seen
the
planning
commission
action
was
an
appointment,
that's
because
I
copied
and
pasted
and
just
caught
that
yesterday.
So
you
may
have
the
old
agenda,
but
it's
been
updated.
L
L
L
So
it's
typically
if
the
mayor
is
attending
the
conferences,
the
delegate
is
typically,
the
mayor
doesn't
have
to
be
the
mayor,
it's
up
to
council
who
they
want
to
appoint
and
then
I'll
advise
the
league
of
cities.
F
H
Of
all,
we
did
have
lunch
at
some
point
that
may
be
appropriate
if
you
need
something,
but
the
other
is.
Of
course
this
is
the
last
meeting
for
our
outgoing
fire
chief
and,
if
he's
still
over
there
and
can
stand
up,
I
would
appreciate
if
he'd
come
over
here
for
a
moment.
M
G
G
Yeah,
well
I
I'll
I'll
say
a
few
words
publicly.
It's
been
a
pleasure
32
years,
I'm
humbled
that
I
was
given
the
opportunities
that
really
I
have
been
and
just
completely
completely
blessed.
H
G
Right,
they
hired
me
real
young.
How
about
that.
So
I
am
just
again
appreciative
of
all
the
opportunities
that
I've
been
given
and
you
know
there's
they
say,
leave
it
better
than
you
found
it
and
I
think,
as
a
team-
and
this
has
always
been
a
team
approach,
I
think
we
have
but
I'm
encouraged.
I
got
to
tell
you
you
guys.
G
City
management
over
the
years
has
been
incredible
and
your
job
is
so
underappreciated
and
you
know
we
get
a
lot
of
accolades
and
attaboys
and
those
things
we
really
do
and
you
folks
don't
and
I'm
encouraged
by
current
city,
administration
and
and
you
folks.
So
I
do
appreciate
all
you've
done
for
us
and
I've
got
a
strong
team
in
place.
It
all
boils
down
to
employees,
they
make
us
look
good,
all
of
us
right
and
not
only
in
the
fire
department,
but
just
city-wide.
G
We've
got
incredible
employees
that
take
it
personal
and
that's
the
difference
whether
it's
sanitation,
public
works.
You
tell
it
whoever
it's
it's
personal
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we've
managed
to
capture
that
and
and
cultivate
that,
but
we
have,
and
those
are
the
emails
that
you
get.
I
mean
they
don't
they
don't
often
talk
about
skills,
you
know
iv
starts
or
any
of
those
they
talk
about
it
being
personal,
and
so
really
my
job's
been
pretty
easy
with
with
the
staff
that
I
have
so.
G
N
As
was
alluded
to
earlier
today,
last
thursday
I
followed
the
city's
answer
brief
in
the
sign
code
case,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
and
would
ask
for
your
assistance
when
you
read
that
if
there's
anything
that
is
unclear
to
you,
either
ask
me
personally
or
send
me
an
email,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there
isn't,
if
there
is
anything
unclear,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
correct
that
in
my
oral
argument
to
the
judge,
because
I
don't
want
to
leave
the
judge
confused
with
anything
that
I've
written,
we,
the
the
appellant,
the
guy
that's
representing
sheets
and
massey,
he
gets
two
bites
at
the
apple.
N
A
E
A
A
All
right,
under
my
comments,
the
only
thing
I
have
is
that
I
attended
the
meeting
of
the
block
party
committee
on
monday
night
and
it's
the
first
time
they've
met
in
two
over
two
years
because
of
covid.
A
Sadly,
I
have
to
report
that
they're
pretty
much
leaning
toward
not
having
any
more
block
parties
because
of
city
marketplace
potentially
being
under
construction,
and
they
have
to
depend
upon
that
property
for
their
current
configuration
and
the
discussion
went
all
over
the
place
at
one
point.
They
were
completely
going
to
cancel
it
and
not
pursue
it.
A
Then
there
was
another
discussion
that
started
that
was
possibly
to
move
it
slightly
south
onto
taylor
and
sullivan
and
hector
house
plaza,
but
they
didn't
feel
that
they
could
make
enough
money
to
support
what
they
need
to
do
and
so
they're
going
to
have
probably
one
more
meeting.
But
it's
looking
like
they
probably
are
going
to
disband
the
block
party
group.
They
will
continue
to
do
the
old-timers
lunch,
which
is
something
gussy
baker's
very,
very
involved
in
and
frank
desgwin
has
offered
to
participate
and
work
together
with
her
on
that.
So
anyway,
I'll
keep.
A
You
all
posted
as
plans
progress
on
that,
but
it
sounds
like
the
direction
it
was
leaning
was
that
they
probably
will
not
continue
having
the
block
party,
which
is
kind
of
sad.
It's
been
going
on
for
many
years.
Okay,
so
council
member
comments
mark
anything,
nothing
debbie.
F
I
just
want
to
call
to
everybody's
attention
that
pentagorda
in
bloom
and
team
have
decided
that,
because
of
the
farmers
market
moving
into
bayley
brothers
park,
they
are
going
to
ask
if
we
would
allow
them
to
beautify
the
park
and
put
a
couple
of
planters
in
so
that
when
people
go
there
for
the
flea
market,
it's
more
attractive,
and
I
think
that
you
know
that's
that's
what
mr
abraham
wanted.
He
wanted
some
revitalization
of
that
area,
and
I
I
personally
am
glad
to
hear
it
joan
for
the
record
john
labo
urban
design
director.
J
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody,
all
the
residents
and
the
community
in
general,
that
came
out
for
the
southwest
florida
honor
flight
and,
if
you're
not
familiar
with
what
it
is,
I
had
the
honor
of
being
a
guardian
a
few
years
ago
and
it
is
top
five
of
the
experiences
that
I've
had
and
I'm
sure,
chief
and
and
the
other
gentleman's
that
that
went
could
could
attest
to
it.
But
not
only
do
they,
you
can
look
at
their
website,
but
if
you're
interested
in
learning
out
how
to
this
whole
thing
works.
J
Basically
the
veterans
get
to
go
to
washington
for
a
day
for
free
the
guardians
pay
which
basically
supplements
for
the
other
seat
on
the
plane
and
the
different
things
that
they
do
is
just.
I
cried
most
of
the
day.
Let's
just
put
it
that
way,
a
good
cry
so,
if
you're
interested,
but
thank
you
to
all
the
residents
that
came
out
to
the
airport
for
the
welcome
home,
it
was
just
outstanding
and
if
you
have
any
questions
contact
southwest
florida,
honor
also.
Thank
you.
K
A
Okay,
gotcha
gotcha,
okay,
all
right
there
being
no
further
business.
We
are
finally
adjourned.
Yes,.