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City Council Meeting 07-06-2022
D
B
B
F
Let
us
pray
heavenly
father.
Just
two
days
ago
we
celebrated
the
246th
birthday
of
our
great
nation.
It
was
founded
upon
being
one
nation.
Under
god,
you
have
truly
blessed
us
father.
We
have
fallen
short
so
many
times,
but
you
continue
to
love
us.
Lord.
We
pray
that
the
divisions
in
our
country
be
healed.
F
F
Who
are
called
by
my
name
shall
humble
themselves
and
pray
seek
my
face
and
turn
from
their
wicked
ways.
Then
I
will
hear
them
from
heaven.
I
will
forgive
their
sin
and
I
will
heal
their
land.
Lord.
We
pray
the
decisions
that
the
council
makes
today
be
pleasing
to
you
and
the
people
of
and
all
people
said,
amen.
B
Okay,
our
next
meeting
will
be
next
wednesday
july
13th.
This
is
especially
scheduled
meetings
because
of
our
summer
break,
and
this
will
be
the
last
meeting
that
will
be
held
in
this
city
council
chamber.
When
we
reconvene
on
august
24th,
we
will
be
at
the
military
heritage
museum
for
all
future
meetings
for
the
immediate
future.
B
Is
there
any
anyone
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda
that
need
to
be
done
before
we
start?
Okay,
we
have
no
proclamations
so
at
this
time,
if
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
provide
input
to
the
council
on
any
subject,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
G
G
G
The
disparaged
from
work
because
of
pregnancy
issues
that
the
corporations
didn't
want
to
pay
for
their
health
care
and
there'll
be
many
other
kinds
of
of
things
that
will
get
people
upset
to
to
have
their
voices
heard
and
to
keep
order
is
a
very
important
thing
and
they
did
a
great
job
november
is
coming
soon.
We
have
to
make
a
decision
on
the
code.
I
implore
people
to
go
to
the
justice
center
and
look
at
the
fifth
floor.
G
C
C
C
B
H
H
There
was
an
error
on
on
the
originally
published
agenda,
with
respect
to
the
ordinance
that
mr
skillcoin
was
referring
to,
and
I
think
the
agenda
was
amended
yesterday
afternoon.
I'm
just
wondering
if
the
city
council
got
a
copy
of
that,
but
the
main
the
the
change
was
that
the
public
hearing,
the
the
the
item,
the
ordinance
for
the
first
reading
with
respect
to
the
economic
development
tax
exemption,
is
indeed
a
public
hearing,
and
the
first
reading
this
morning
will
be
subject
to
public
comment.
B
B
B
Okay,
we
are
in
session
as
the
cra.
Let
the
record
reflect
that
all
commissioners
with
the
exemption
of
vice
mayor
kerry
and
commissioner
dreiberg
are
present
and
mr
well,
would
you
first
of
all
just
citizen
comments?
If
there
are,
is
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
the
commission
on
any
issues
on
the
cra
agenda?
Please
come
forward.
B
I
Yes,
thank
you.
First,
we'll
talk
about
the
municipal
marina
activity.
As
you
can
see
in
the
chart
of
june
to
june
last
year
to
this
year
we
have
slightly
less
annual
rentals
semi-annuals.
We
still
have
two.
The
monthlies
have
increased,
though
we're
changing
the
demographic
somewhat
in
the
marina
because
of
the
liveaboard
requirements
and
liveaboards
that
are
now
moving
out
and
converting
some
of
those
to
waiting
lists.
I
I
The
commercials
are
steady.
Of
course
we
have
all
14
of
those
slips
allocated.
We
have
11
11
on
the
mooring
balls
and
right
at
present
time.
We
have
three
true
liveaboards
that
are
still
in
the
marina,
the
community
room,
of
course
we're
getting
some
consistent
use
out
of
that
for
outside
agencies,
as
well
as
as
city
use
for
the
pump
out
vessels.
You
can
see
that
we
had
2600
gallons
more
than
last
year
this
time,
but
we
had
a
lot
less
miles.
I
Traveled
a
lot
of
those
were
more
local
in
the
marina,
especially
some
of
the
liveaboard
and
other
vessels
that
were
moving
to
other
moorings
or
locations
having
them
completely
pumped
so
that
they
could
move
still
2,
600
gallons.
That
add
to
the
quarterly
report,
that's
on
the
next
page
that
shows
for
april
may
and
june
for
that
quarter,
how
we
had
425
vessels
that
were
pumped
traveled
358
miles
and
treated
10,
360
gallons.
So
we
had
over
10,
000
gallons
that
we
took
from
vessels
and
helped
protect
the
harbor
with
that
service,
that's
provided!
I
The
consultant
presented
the
three
options
as
you're
aware
and
discussed
the
project
benefits
of
those
options.
Option
three
was
approved.
We
now
are
looking
towards
the
60
plans,
with
a
construction
manager
at
risk.
That's
hired
on
our
behalf
for
the
project
to
work
with
the
architect
to
make
sure
that
the
project
is
value
engineered
and
that
any
cost
that
can
be
cut
or
reduced
or
at
least
not
exceeded.
I
We
have
some
of
the
sidewalks
that
are
nearing
completion.
We
have
electrical
work
even
fpl
with
their
poll.
Relocations
that
are
ongoing
demolition
and
grading
of
some
of
the
new
parking
areas
is
moving
along
even
with
the
water
that
we've
had,
and
some
people
call
it
lake
gilchrist
a
couple
times
because
of
the
amount
of
rain
that
caused
large
areas
of
ponding
in
the
construction
sites,
but
they've
moved
forward
with
it
took
care
of
all
those
issues
made
sure
we
had
a
good,
stable
base
and
move
forward
with
the
project.
Ac
freeman
house.
I
Of
course,
we've
had
the
plans
in
on
that
the
grant
application
was
approved
for
the
500
000.
So
that's
you
know
a
good
start
with
that,
but
with
that
grant
application
and
the
amount
of
money
that
we
had
budgeted,
the
initial
60
plan
projection
was
about
1.4
million.
We
were
still
600,
000
short
of
that,
so
we
still
have
that
600
plus
any
cost
escalation.
I
The
grant
funding
that
was
just
approved-
I
don't
remember
when
that
was
available.
I
was
thinking
it
was
available
in
this
coming
festival.
He
knew
jane,
wouldn't
know
she's,
not
here
right
now,
unfortunately,
but
once
it
was
approved,
we
go
through
the
paperwork,
so
at
least
by
october
1st.
It
should
be
available
at
the
very
latest
government
center
we've
had
a
project
that
has
been
on
the
books
for
quite
some
time.
I
We've
used
the
fencing,
such
as
you
see
around
the
building
now
to
further
fence
off
areas
that
we've
had
people
ingress,
where
it's
not
technically
allowed
or
provided
for,
and
we've
had
trip
and
fall
issues
et
cetera,
so
we're
proceeding
with
that
project
that
was
approved
to
order
and
install
the
material.
It's
especially
pertinent
now,
because
this
area
will
become
a
construction
site
and
that
helps
prevent
ingress
into
the
site
that
shouldn't
occur
while
we're
in
the
process
of
construction.
B
B
H
Voting
in
such
referendum
are
in
favor
of
authorizing
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
to
provide
structured
property
tax
incentives
to
new
businesses
and
expansions
of
existing
businesses.
They're
expected
to
generate
new
ad
valorem
taxes
or
create
jobs
within
the
city
of
hunter,
gordon
florida,
requesting
that
the
charlotte
county
supervisor
of
elections
conduct
the
election
in
accordance
with
the
applicable
laws
and
regulations
providing
ballot
language
directing
that
the
notice
of
election
be
prepared
and
published,
providing
for
severability
and
providing
effective
date.
I
Of
course,
this
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
discussed
with
the
charter
review
committee
and,
while
they
didn't
feel,
was
appropriate
to
be
in
the
charter,
because,
especially
in
terms
of
the
allowance
of
this
exemption,
does
not
correspond
with
the
six-year
charter
review
as
well.
As
other
reasons,
they
did
recommend
that
city
council
discuss
this
as
a
separate
ballot
question.
So
what
this
does
basically
is
give
the
city
council
authority
to
use
new
ad
valorem
tax
as
an
incentive
or
for
economic
development
purposes.
I
The
county
had
actually
had
this
on
the
ballot
for
referendum
in
2010,
and
it
passed
and
in
2012-13
range
city
council,
discussed
several
things
regarding
the
ballot
question
that
passed
in
the
county
that
the
city
of
course
also
voted
on,
and
it
was
determined
that
the
city
could
piggyback
on
that.
Given
that
piggyback
the
city
implemented
several
economic
development
incentives
at
the
time
using
new
ad
valorem
tax,
including
an
annexation.
I
Annexation
provision
that
allowed
for
the
first
two
years
to
be
at
50,
so
you
may
remember
a
couple
years
ago
there
were
some
that
came
in
that
there
was
discussion
about
giving
them
the
50
reduction
for
the
first
two
years
because
of
that
exemption,
so
that
all
was
allowable
up
until
august
24th,
2020
2020.,
so
august.
24Th
2020,
that
10-year
period
that
this
question
is
valid
for
from
referendum,
expired
so
checking
with
the
county.
I
I
J
I
J
I
Actually,
even
more
than
that,
you
would
have
to
create
a
program
like
was
done
previously
for
the
annexation,
with
the
two-year
50
exemption
for
new
taxes.
So
it's
not
something
that
takes
away
from
the
existing
tax
base.
It's
any
new
taxes
generated
you
would
have
to
create
a
program
approve
that
that
would
go
through
the
public
process,
so
this
just
gives
you
authority
to
do
that
in
the
future.
If
you
say
choose,
but
it
doesn't
do
anything
on
its
own,
so
it's
completely
transparent.
I
H
E
I
had
a
question
as
proposed
to
me
when
you're
talking
about
businesses.
Obviously
first
thing
you
think
about
is
commercial,
but
would
a
business
be
included,
for
example,
affordable,
housing
or
any
kind
of
residential
that
would
want
to
be
developed
with
that
at
all,
come
under
the
criteria
of
commercial
or
business.
E
B
I
This
would
actually
not
need
a
pot
of
money
simply
because
any
incentive
would
be
from
future
taxes
that
are
an
increase
in
the
increment,
that's
being
paid.
So
if
someone
built
a
business
on
jones
loop
and
you
wanted
to
see
that
business
area
develop-
and
you
came
up
with
a
program
that
said,
anyone
that
develops
adjacent
to
the
city
and
can
annex
in
or
whatever
for
businesses
out
on
the
periphery
have
a
10
reduction
for
the
first
two
years
of
new
taxes
they
generate
for
the
improvement,
then
they
would
get.
I
I
Now,
if
they
were
a
business
entity
that
included
the
residential,
then,
like
david
said
that
might
need
some
more
legal
review,
but
there's
a
lot
of
possibilities
there
that
you
had
the
opportunity
to
discuss
before,
even
when
the
economic
development
incentive
was
already
in
place,
and
actually
it
was
still
out
on
our
website
that
had
been
there
when
council
originally
approved
it
based
on
the
question
the
county
had
put
on,
but
that's
all
expired
now
and
you
don't
even
have
the
opportunity
to
discuss
it.
If
you
want
to.
B
So
I
guess
my
question
is-
and
this
was
something
that
was
asked
in
my
group
yesterday,
if,
if
somebody
comes
in,
let's
just
say,
we
want
to
enter
into
a
private
public
partnership
with
a
developer,
we're
not
going
to
make
up
the
difference
in
a
from
a
pot
of
money
of
the
taxes
that
we
would
allow
them
to
abate.
So
to
speak.
B
I
J
H
Well,
so,
for
the
benefit
of
those
that
may
be
watching,
this
would
be
the
ballot
question.
That's
proposed
by
the
ordinance.
Shall
the
city
council,
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida,
in
order
to
have
a
broader
range
of
tools
to
use
in
support
of
economic
development,
be
authorized
to
grant
pursuant
to
article
7,
section,
3
florida
constitution,
structured
property,
tax
incentives
to
new
businesses
and
expansions
of
existing
businesses
that
are
expected
to
generate
new
ad
valorem
taxes
or
create
jobs
within
the
city.
I
E
Melissa,
so,
basically
just
to
be
clear
for
everybody:
we've
had
this
option
before
it
has
expired
through
the
county
today,
really
all
we're
doing
is
deciding
whether
we
want
to
give
ourselves
authority
to
move
forward
and
then
from
there.
We
would
have
to
then
define
a
plan
as
to
what
incentives
we
would
have
and
go
from
there.
So
today,
the
only
thing
we're
really
deciding
is
if
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
the
type
of
package
to
be
determined,
put
it
on
the
ballot.
It.
B
And
I
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
free-for-all
kind
of
a
thing
it's
going
to
have
to
be
closely
monitored
and
you
know
only
used
when
necessary.
If
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
something,
we
really
want
to
have
happen
in
the
city.
So,
okay,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
Would
anyone
like
to
address
counsel
on
this
issue?
Please
come
forward
state
your
name
for
the
record
and
you
have
three
minutes.
G
G
It
made
it
very
difficult
when
new
buildings
came
in
and
I
was
under
rent
control
and
they
could
put
a
market
price
and
have
a
10-year
tax
abatement
for
real
estate
taxes,
so
just
be
careful
with
how
long
you
give
these
abatements
for
and
how
it
affects
taking
consideration
the
existing
businesses
on
property
owners
rights.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
all
right,
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
move
to
approve.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
ordinance
for
the
the
referendum
item
on
this
year's
ballot
for
the
economic
development
ad
valorem
property
tax
exemption.
B
H
And
this
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
tyler,
only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
relating
to
the
calling
for
and
ordering
of
a
binding
referendum
to
be
held
in
the
city
of
punta
gorda
on
november
8
2022
to
determine
whether
a
majority
of
the
electors.
Voting
in
such
referendum
are
in
favor
of
certain
proposed
charter.
H
Amendments
proposed
by
the
city
of
punta
gorda
charter
review
committee,
requesting
that
the
charlotte
county
supervisor
of
elections
conduct
the
election
in
accordance
with
the
applicable
laws
and
regulations
providing
ballot
language,
directing
that
the
notice
of
election
be
prepared
and
published.
Providing
for
inclusion
in
the
charter
providing
for
severability
scrivener's
errors
and
an
effective
date.
B
B
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
legislative
ordinance
for
the
charter
review
committee
findings.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Okay.
Next,
we
have
consent
agenda
is
anything
on
here.
Anyone
would
like
to
pull
okay
with
another
motion,
move
to
approve
consent
agenda.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously.
I
It's
had
its
ups
and
downs
for
quite
some
time
until
it
became
delinquent
enough
that
it
went
basically
for
tax
sale.
Given
that
whole
process
that
you
go
through,
there
were
several
challenges
during
the
coveter
et
cetera
that
prolonged
this
until
the
city
was
able
to
get
full
clear
title
to
the
property.
I
H
Actually,
just
to
clear
the
record,
we
acquired
the
property
by
way
of
foreclosure
of
code
enforcement,
things
that
had
been
left
unpaid
and
it
also
was
delinquent
in
taxes.
But
we
were
able
to
have
our
foreclosure
action
before
the
tax
sale
went
into
place
and-
and
I
had
some
time
ago
rendered
an
opinion
regarding
what
options
the
city
has
with
respect
to
the
disposal
of
surplus,
real
property,
and
I'm
just
going
to
highlight
what
I
found
in
2010
and
based
on
research.
H
The
florida
attorney
general
has
opined
that,
in
the
absence
of
a
charter
provision
or
ordinance
prescribing
the
procedures
to
be
used
and
disposing
of
surplus
municipal
real
property,
the
manner
of
disposing
of
such
property
is
left
to
the
discretion
of
the
municipality's
governing
body,
provided
that
such
body
acts
in
the
best
interest
of
the
municipality.
So
you
have
a
full
range
of
opportunities
in
which
to
explore
with
respect
to
the
sale
or
other
disposition
of
this
property.
B
J
I
would
just
cut
to
the
chase,
and
I
think
that
this
property
is
probably
worth
more
without
a
house
on
it
than
with
a
house
on
it,
and
I
would
suggest
that
we
just
knock
it
down
and
clean
it
up
and
sell
it
as
a
vacant
lot.
The
worst
possible
thing
that
could
happen,
I
think,
is
that
somebody
buys
this
as
a
fire
sale
slaps
a
coat
of
paint
on
it
and
then
puts
another
airbnb
in
the
neighborhood.
B
We've
done
a
lot
of
things
to
clean
up
the
yard
and
and
get
it
to
some
point
where
it
can
be
sold,
and
I
think
we
should
just
put
it
on
the
market
and
sell
it
and
to
get
what
we
can
out
of
this,
and
I
think
right
now
is
a
good
time
to
do
that,
because
the
market
is
still
very
strong.
I
think
we
can
probably
get
a
fairly
good
amount
of
money
for
it.
E
Yeah,
I
agree
with
the
mayor
that
you
know
at
this
point.
I
think
the
city
has
done
their
obligation
and
any
developer
and
whoever
is
going
to
buy
that
property
would
would
understand.
You
know,
and
it's
up
to
them
what
they'd
like
to
do
with
the
property.
At
this
point,
so
I
would
put
it
for
sale
as
is
and
and
go
from
there.
I
feel
the
same.
E
B
H
B
F
F
E
I
mean
personally
what
I
would
like
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
this
handle
just
like
anybody
else
would
handle
their
own
property
that
we
would.
You
know
whether
it
goes
for
procurement
or
whether
we
have
a
real
estate.
It's
it's
fine
with
me,
but
I
do
think
we
need
to
treat
it
just
like
would
be
my
own
property
and
and
make
sure
we're
getting
market
value
for
it.
I
don't
want
to
see
any
type
of
auction,
or
you
know
you
know
best
bid
or
I
just
want
to
be.
E
I
And
procurement
did
add
some
information
on
comparables.
Some
of
them
are
dated,
so
of
course,
property
values
have
gone
up
substantially
since
some
of
these,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
what
lots
are
going
for
right
now
and
houses
are
going
for
in
the
area
specifically.
So
I
guess
a
question
would
be
what
conditions
can
you
put
on
a
sale
for
that?
I
think,
can
you
put
a
minimum
when
we
put
it
out.
E
B
I
B
H
J
So
I
would
ask
that
we
get
a
professional
opinion
on
what
the
property
is
worth
with
the
house
on
it
and
what
the
property
is
worth
without
a
house
on
it,
and
I
think,
for
less
than
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
We
can
do
the
community
a
great
service
by
knocking
it
down,
or
we
could
put
a
condition
on
the
sale
of
the
property
that
it
is
knocked
down
by
whoever
buys
it.
I
don't
think
that
people
want
to
have
that
there
and
then
again.
J
The
worst
thing
that
can
happen
is
that
somebody
buys
this
as
a
fire
sale
does
a
minimal
cleanup
and
then
we
wind
up
with
with
an
airbnb
in
the
neighborhood.
That's
just
not
what
what
people
want,
and
I
do
believe
and
this
this
isn't
about
the
houses,
it's
just
about
the
money
and
the
funds
and
what
it's
worth,
and
I
do
believe
that
this
is
probably
worth
very
close
to
the
same,
if
not
more,
without
a
house
on
it
than
with
the
house.
E
I
just
think
the
city
has
to
be
very
careful.
Our
our
obligation
was
to
you
know,
get
it
cleaned
up,
we're
now
in
possession
of
this
property
and
it's
our
obligation
to
sell
it.
I
don't
think
it's
our
obligation
to
see
what
what's
going
to
be
the
future
of
that
property.
You
know
we
have
no
obligation
with
that
at
this
point.
It
is
in
our
possession,
we
sell
it
and
it's
up
to
the
the
purchaser
to
decide
what
they're
going
to
do.
I
would
agree
with
that.
F
E
J
E
And
I
think
that's
what's
going
to
happen,
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
to
brunt
that
cost.
I
think
anybody
that's
going
to
buy
that
property
knows
they're
buying
it
for
the
land
they're
going
to
knock
it
down.
As
you
said
yourself
for
less
than
25
000.,
I've
seen
it
happen
all
over
pgi
they're,
going
to
knock
it
down
and
rebuild
it.
B
E
B
I
would
agree
with
that.
Okay
is
that
a
motion
that
is
a
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second
second?
Okay?
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
put
together
a
facts
and
figures
on
what
the
property
may
yield
in
a
sale,
and
we
will
have
that
information
to
the
council
at
the
next
meeting
next
week.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by.
J
E
I
B
D
Good
morning
chris
and
simeone
finance
director,
we
do
have
one
change
to
the
resolution
and
that's
the
date
of
the
meeting,
so
this
one
is
for
the
lot
mowing
program,
setting
the
tentative
assessment
for
235
dollars
and
authorizing
the
property
appraiser
to
include
on
the
trim
notice
that
goes
out.
In
august
we
had
our
special
budget
meeting
set
for
september
7th
at
501
at
the
military
heritage
museum.
D
However,
the
county
is
doing
their
budget
hearing
on
that
same
day
and
they
get
first
preference.
So
we
will
not
be
able
to
have
that
meeting
on
that
day.
They
generally
do
a
monday
or
tuesday
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
what
happened
this
year,
but
they
are
on
a
wednesday.
So
we
are
proposing
september
12th.
So
that's
monday
september
12th
at
501
pm
at
the
military
heritage
museum
located
at
900
west
marion
avenue
for
the
meeting.
D
B
A
D
B
H
B
I
J
J
F
B
E
J
D
H
B
You
cheated
on
that
and
do
we
have
a
segment?
I
think
it
works
yeah
all
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
tentative
assessment
rate
of
235
dollars
per
year
per
property
with
a
lot
going
program,
and
we
will
continue
this
discussion
for
the
public
hearing
date
to
be
held
sometime
in
september.
B
G
Good
morning,
julie,
rogenstadt
procurement
for
the
record,
I'm
here
to
for
the
award
of
agreement,
the
charter
machine
company
of
matucha,
new
jersey
procurement,
solicited
requests
for
report,
proposals
for
purchase
of
a
filter,
filter
belt,
press
and
skid
dewatering
system
for
the
city's
water
treatment.
Plant.
G
G
B
To
approve
a
second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
award
the
agreement
to
charter
machine
company
for
purchase
and
delivery
of
filter
belt
press
and
skid
dewatering
system
for
the
city's
water
treatment
plant.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
aye.
Thank
you
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
H
And
so,
after
doing
the
research
I
concluded
that
there
was
a
florida
statute
addressed
addressing
litter
and
we
ultimately
amended
our
ordinance
related
to
public
nuisances
to
adopt,
by
reference
the
state
statute
on
litter,
the
recent
occurrence,
which
wasn't
baggies
and
business
cards.
Unfortunately,
it
was
a
baggies
and
anti-semitic
rhetoric
caused
a
concern
and
a
question
as
to
whether
you
know
how
the
city
can
address
this.
H
H
And-
and
I
also
understand
that
the
police
believe
they
know,
who
was
responsible
for
this
act
activity
and
anticipate
that
we'll
have
a
meeting
in
the
very
near
future,
with
code
enforcement
and
police
department
to
decide
how
to
best
handle
it.
But
the
rec.
The
recommendation
will
be
to
present
it
to
the
city
of
code
enforcement
board
as
a
violation
of
the
standards
of
litter
in
our
code
and
unrelated
to
the
content
of
the
materials
that
were
provided,
but
again
to
maintain
the
appearances
of
our
neighborhoods.
H
My
my
understanding
is
yes,
we
do,
and
in
the
past,
when
there
was
any
information
in
the
material
themselves
that
would
identify
who
the
potential
perpetrator
was.
We
would
file
a
case
against
that
that
entity
or
person-
and
I
don't
know
if
the
chief
wants
to
comment,
but
apparently
we
we-
we
do
have
a
suspect
in
this
case.
A
Good
morning,
chief
pam
davis
with
the
pondecorta
police
department,
so
yes,
we
do
believe
we
know
who
did
this.
We
don't
have
somebody
that
actually
witnessed
the
throwing
of
the
pack.
These
ridiculous
things
onto
you,
know
people's
driveways
and
things
like
that.
So
the
case
is
still
being
reviewed,
we're
still
looking
at
it
and
if
we
can
get
enough
we'll
submit
something
to
the
state
attorney.
If
it
doesn't
go
to
the
criminal
matter,
then
we
will
be
working
with
the
city
attorney
and
code
to
find
out.
H
The
burden
of
proving
the
violation
before
the
code
enforcement
board,
which
is
not
a
criminal
proceeding,
is
substantially
less
than
a
criminal
proceeding.
Preponderance
of
the
evidence
is
the
only
thing
that
we
would
really
need
to
show
and
if
we
have
sufficient
evidence
or
circumstantial
evidence
to
the
perpetrator
was
we
can
treat
this
as
a
irreparable,
irreversible
violation,
and
each
each
instance
that
we
can
document
of
having
the
materials
placed
on
somebody's
property
with
consent
would
constitute
a
separate
violation
with
a
fine
of
up
to
five
thousand
dollars
per
violation.
B
H
J
J
Okay,
so
I'll
just
comment
that
I
mean,
I
think
your
approach
is
brilliant,
because
al
capone
didn't
go
to
jail
for
murder.
He
went
to
jail
for
tax
evasion,
so
if
we
can't
get
him
one
way,
we'll
get
him
another
way
and
you're
right.
Five
thousand
dollars
a
clip-
and
I
know
on
tropicana
when
I
walked
up
and
down
the
street,
walking
my
dogs
in
the
morning
that
not
everyone
had
one
of
these.
J
But
I
would
say
the
vast
majority
had
these,
and
I
know
that
it
wasn't
just
on
tropicana
and
speaking
to
others
that
it
was
in
other
areas
in
that
old
sailboat
section.
So
there
are
plenty
of
them
and
it
is
litter
because
the
people
that
that
are
gone,
the
snow
birds.
These
are
sitting
there
getting
rained
on
and
stepped
on
and
mushed
on,
and
it
it's
absolutely
litter.
So.
H
And
and
I'll
point
out,
as
as
a
result
of
a
statutory
change,
I
think
it
was
last
year.
Complaints
cannot
be
anonymous,
so
if
all
we
need
is
one
to
make
our
point,
but
if,
if
others
are
willing
to
come
forward
and
be
a
witness
at
the
code
enforcement
and
not
anonymously,
we
have
the
capability
of
making
a
substantial
economic
point.
J
H
A
H
H
To
it,
there
may
be
an
opportunity
to
address
that
commercial
solicitation
in
a
different
manner
than
the
lyft
than
we
are
with
respect
to
the
speech,
because
we
do
have
an
ordinance
addressing
so
commercial
solicitation,
but
even
in
that
regard,
in
the
past,
we've
been
successful
through
code
enforcement
to
treat
that
commercial
solicitation
as
as
litter.
I
think
it's
a
clear
case.
H
E
J
Mark
so
this
was
asked
by
my
advisors
yesterday,
but
is
it
possible
that,
as
code
enforcement
is
driving
around
when
they
see
this
kind
of
thing,
because
this
happens
frequently
that
they
see
it
laying
on
the
driveway
can't
they
pick
it
up
and
and
make
the
claim?
At
that
point
I
mean:
does
it
have
to
be
on
the
homeowners
to
actually
to
file
a
claim
or
a
violation.
H
H
To
testify
that
they
that
they
did
not
allow
this
so
and
the
reason,
for
example,
to
distinguish
between
someone
who
gets
newspaper
delivery
because
they
subscribe
to
it
and
someone
who
is
whose
property
is
the
same
newspaper
wants
to
try
to
expand
their
circulation
by
giving
out
a
free
newspaper
throws
the
same
newspaper
on
the
property.
The
one
where
it
was
done
by
subscription
would
not
be
a
violation.
The
one
that
was
done
without
the
subscription
would
be.
B
H
B
H
H
E
A
Sporadic,
but
we
we
will
see
it
particularly
when
the
snowbirds
are
gone
and
you'll
get
a
call
that
there's
bags
and
stuff
so
but
generally
for
the
most
part,
like
you
said,
we've
been
able
to
contact.
Usually
they
leave
it's
not
this.
It's
they
leave
hard,
so
we're
able
to
address
it
that
way,
this
one.
They
actually
did
this
in
venice.
It
was
a
couple
different
cities,
they
kind
of
came
down
the
west
coast
and
hit
a
couple
of
the
cities,
but.
E
F
B
H
If,
based
on
our
ordinance
as
it
relates
to
solicitation,
we
couldn't
make
a
case
for
a
violation
of
the
solicitation
ordinance
by
virtue
of
what
the
materials
were,
they
weren't
soliciting
by
our
definition.
It's
soliciting
business.
I
think
it's
pretty
obvious.
They
weren't
soliciting
business.
They
were
expressing
a
political
statement.
J
So
the
bottom
line
is,
I
mean
we
do
know
who
this
was.
Unlike
what
you've
been
hearing
on
tv
news?
You
know
they
don't
know
who
this
is.
We
have
some
great
great
police
work.
We
know
who
it
is
and
we're
going
to
do
something
about
it
right.
So
that's
and
I
think
we
should
yeah.
No,
I
and
I
think,
that's
that's
hats
off.
You
guys
have
done
a
great
job.
H
H
B
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
to
take
care
of
this
and
get
this
to
stop.
At
least
this
is
not
just
the
city
of
punta
gorda.
That's
experiencing
these
types
of
flyers.
By
the
way
it's
been
on
the
news
quite
a
bit
of
the
past
couple
weeks
for
purposes
of
clarification
for
the
the
newer
council
members
lisa.
B
Could
you
please
send
the
council
members
the
current
ordinance
that
that
talks
about
all
of
this
for
both
littering
and
solicitation,
so
that
everybody
has
current
up-to-date
information
and
we're
all
on
the
same
page?
Please
great!
Thank
you.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
too.
But
yes,
let's
my
opinion
is
we
should
go
ahead
and
do
something
about
this.
With
code
enforcement,
do
we.
H
A
B
So
we
obviously
had
the
preliminary
part
of
this
discussion
a
couple
weeks
ago,
but
I
felt
that
it
was
necessary
for
us
to
put
in
writing
a
new
policy
that
addresses
all
of
the
things
we've
started
talking
about
and
and
make
sure
that
it's
all
concise
and
to
the
point.
So
we
can
put
an
ordinance
or
a
resolution
in
place
to
to
cover
all
of
this,
and
I
thought
it
was
extremely
time
sensitive
because
of
the
fact
that
most
of
us
will
be
going
to
hollywood
next
month.
B
E
J
B
B
That
would
mean
karen
and
greg
if
they
so
travel
for
city
business,
because
they're
kind
of
the
exceptions
to
the
staff
rules,
so
we
we
made
it
so
that
it's
for
elected
and
appointed
officials
so
that
it
covered
for
them
as
well.
Okay.
So
if
everybody's
in
agreement,
then
we
will
have
a
formal
resolution
drafted
before
that
at
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
D
Good
morning,
good
morning,
chris
and
simeone
so
again,
this
is
the
resolution
to
set
the
tentative
special
assessment
for
the
burnt
store
aisles
come
out
canal,
maintenance,
assessment
district
at
eight
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
per
single
family
residence,
which
is
represents
an
increase
of
three
hundred
dollars
from
this
current
year
and
for
all
other
properties.
The
assessment
is
0.09
cents
per
square
foot
of
land
lying
less
than
120
lineal
feet
from
the
seawall
and
again,
we'll
have
to
come
back
to
you
with
a
date
for
the
meeting.
J
D
Yes,
so
basically
the
standard,
it's
basically
based
on
a
standard
lot,
and
so,
when
the
assessment
district
was
set
up
for
non-single,
family
residential
properties,
they
used
the
120
lineal
feet
from
the
sea
wall
and
our
engineering
department
in
canal
maintenance
districts.
We
work
with
them
to
determine
what
that
area
is,
and
then
that's
how
it's
presented
on
their
tax
bill.
B
So
second
cheated
again
so
seconded
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
tentative
assessment
rate
of
additional
three
hundred
dollars
a
year
per
property
for
burnt
store
isles
and
the
public
hearing
date
to
be
set
next
wednesday
at
our
next
meeting,
which
will
happen
sometime
in
september.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
B
D
This
resolution
will
set
the
tentative
annual
assessment
for
the
pgi
canal
maintenance
assessment
district
at
950
dollars
per
single
family,
which
represents
an
increase
of
300
from
the
current
year
and
for
all
of
the
properties.
The
assessment
is
0.099
cents
per
square
foot
of
land
lying
less
than
120
million
feet
from
the
seawall
and
again
we'll
talk
about
setting
the
actual
date
at
our
next
meeting.
J
So
I
think
it's
important.
I
don't
know
how
we
do
that.
I
don't
know
if
that
needs
to
be
worded
in
the
resolution
or
somehow,
but
I
think
it's
very
important
that
people
understand
that
we're
doing
300
this
year
and
we
will
need
to
do
at
least
250
more
next
year
and
it
probably
will
be
more
because
the
longer
you
wait,
the
higher
the
number
goes.
J
We
did
this
last
year,
we
only
the
the
recommendation
was
for
more
and
we
only
approved
100
increase
and
everybody
was
shocked
when
we
came
back
with
300
and
they're
going
to
be
shocked
again
next
year,
when
we,
when
we
need
to
go
even
higher.
So
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
just
set
the
expectation
right
now
and
I
don't
know
how
to
do
that,
but
it
needs
to
be
more
than
just
talk.
It
needs
to
be
somewhere.
J
Absolutely
clear
to
people
that
that
we're
we're
taking
a
half
step
this
year
in
in
understanding
that
it's
a
big
step
to
go
to
550,
but
it's
going
to
have
to
be
more
next
year.
However,
we
can
do
that,
the
more
we
can
do
that
you
tell
them
once
you
tell
them
twice,
you
tell
them
three
times:
they
still
don't
get
it.
They
don't
hear
it.
You
got
to
keep
somehow.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
message
gets
out
there.
J
B
B
B
And
I
also
want
to
be
careful
that,
if
we're
increasing
the
fees
that
we're
able
to
keep
up
with
the
manufacturing
of
the
seawall
panels
to
coincide
with
that,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
banking
money
for
future
years
for
it
to
be
used
in
future
years.
I'm
not
a
supporter
of
that.
So
I
just
want
to
be
careful
about
that
melissa.
E
I
do
like
in
your
other
presentations
that
we
were
looking
at
regardless
bsi
or
pgi.
That
pro
form,
I
think,
does
say
a
lot
and
you're
looking
out
five
six
seven
years
and
you
can
see
just
how
much
you
know
we're
going
to
be
short,
so
I
think
that's
probably
going
to
be
the
best
that
we
can
do.
I
think
you
know
we
can
go
on
the
record
and
say
that
I
personally
don't
think
it's
enough.
E
D
B
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
tentative
assessment
rate
of
additional
three
hundred
dollars
per
year
per
property,
and
we
will
set
the
public
hearing
date
at
next
wednesday's
meeting
supper
sometime
in
september.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
A
Next,
we
have
under
nominations
for
utility
advisory
board.
Mr
derek
rooney,
his
term
expired
on
july
7th.
He
is
eligible
for
reappointment
or
will
expire
july.
7Th
excuse
me,
he's
eligible
for
reappointment
and
has
expressed
an
interest
in
being
reappointed.
If
you'd
like
to
reappoint
him
nominate
and
reappoint
him
by
motion
today,
you
can
do
that.
E
B
A
B
A
Thank
you
and
then
the
last
thing
I
have
is
the
an
appointment
for
the
puna
gorda
police
officers:
pension
board.
This
is
their
fifth
member,
so
we
have
two
member
trustees
on
police.
Then
we
have
two
members
that
are
appointed
by
council
and
the
fifth
member
is
appointed
by
the
board
members
themselves.
A
B
I
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
helping
to
move
some
of
these
things
forward
today.
That
helps
us
start
to
prepare
for
our
budget
hearings
and
such
and
keep
things
flowing
into
our
next
meeting.
You
were
actually
seated
as
four
boards
today,
so
that's
got
to
be
exhausting
back
and
forth
between
city
council
and
three
others.
So
thank
you
for
that
and,
secondly,
just
as
a
comment
we're
still
discussing
and
managing
substantial
issues
with
personnel.
I
B
B
I
know
we
have
a
state
statute
that
we
have
to
adhere
to,
and
I
understand
that,
but
they
were
told
one
particular
person.
I
got
a
phone
message
yesterday.
One
particular
person
was
very
upset
that
that
they
were
told
by
someone
on
the
city
staff
that
we
don't.
We
don't
do
code
enforcement.
We
don't
do
code
enforcement
to
the
extent
where
we
can
go
after
someone
if
they're
violating
the
city
statute
or
the
state
statute
unless
they
submit
their
name,
but
they
weren't
told
the
part
about
they
have
to
submit
their
name.
B
B
Does
it
take
a
city
council
member
to
report
it
to
have
someone
take
action
on
it,
because
this
is
really
getting
out
of
control?
I
can
tell
you,
on
my
street
there's
someone
that
routinely
parks
on
the
vacant
lot
in
a
vacant
lot
next
door
to
a
house
there.
There
were
two
cars
that
were
parking
on
a
vacant
lot
for
over
three
weeks
on
the
street
across
the
canal
from
me,
and
you
know
at
what
point
do
we
not
enforce
code.
H
Well,
we
always
enforce
code
when
we're
aware
of
the
violation
from
observations
of
either
well
from
code
enforcement
officers.
That
includes
not
only
the
code
enforcement
staff
but
also
the
city
police,
who
are
also
code
enforcement
officers
and
as
a
city
prosecutor,
I
can
tell
you
that
that
we
routinely
bring
cases
against
the
storage
of
trailers,
vehicles
and
other
items
on
vacant
property
that
is
observed
by
code
enforcement
in
their
routine
activities.
H
There's
a
limited
number
of
code
enforcement
officers,
and
so
you
know
we
are
somewhat
reliant
upon
citizen
complaints
and
until
the
legislature
kind
of
changed
the
way
we
did
business,
it
wasn't
necessary
for
a
citizen
to
give
their
name
when
they
filed
a
complaint.
But
now
it
is
so
we
have
to
comply
with
the
state
law,
but
we
continue
to
enforce
the
city's
codes
when,
when
they're
aware
of
the
violation.
B
F
Lisa
hannah's
owning
official,
our
code
officers
are
proactive,
we're
out
on
the
streets
every
day.
Again
we're
limited
on
our
number
of
code
officers
and
our
lot
more
coordinator.
When
we
see
it,
they
they
act
on
it.
We
have
been
receiving
several
calls
about
some
outdoor
storage
and
about
some
parking
of
commercial
vehicles
and
the
people
don't
want
to
give
their
name.
B
F
When
they
don't
give
their
name,
we
cannot
by
state
statute.
Like
mr
levin
said,
we
cannot
initiate
that
code
case,
but
again
we're
out
there
on
the
streets.
We
we
don't
wait
just
for
the
phone
calls
to
come
in.
Do
we
miss
things?
I'm
sure
we
do,
but
if
somebody
else
wants
to
be
the
complainant
and
get
us
names
the
numbers,
we
will
be
happy
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
we
enforce
the
best.
We
can.
B
F
B
F
F
E
F
E
E
H
B
I'm
going
to
put
something
in
my
newsletter
again
this
week
about
this,
because
I
I
continue
to
get
calls
every
single
week
and,
and
people
are
scared
to
put
their
name
forward
because
they
don't.
They
don't
want
to
risk
the
repercussion
that
may
occur
from
ratting
out
their
neighbor
and
it's
a
terrible
law,
and
rightly
so.
So.
H
B
I
B
I
Someone
does
call
in
and
complain
if
we
issue
a
citation
to
someone
that
doesn't
necessarily
say
hey.
We
got
a
complaint
from
your
neighbor
because
you're
doing
this,
it
says
here's
your
code
violation
needs
to
be
corrected.
Now,
if
they
say
did
someone
complain,
then
of
course
you
have
to
say
yes
and
if
they
say
do
you
have
a
copy
of
who
it
was.
That's
where
the
name
comes
out.
C
B
Yeah
we
talked
about
a
lot
okay
on
my
stuff,
just
a
reminder
that
next
week
we
have
our
our
last
city
council
meeting
before
summer
break
in
this
room
and
then,
when
we
come
back
in
august
on
august
24th,
we
will
be
meeting
at
the
military
heritage
museum
and
for
those
who
did
not
get
to
attend.
We
had
a
celebration
of
life
ceremony
for
marilyn
smith.
Mooney
on
saturday
was
really
really
nice.
B
J
Well,
even
though
you
just
left
the
room,
I'd
reiterate
my
previous
comments,
I'd
like
to
recognize
our
city
attorney
for
the
creative
way
he
addressed
this
littering
question
and
also
to
our
police
department
for
the
fine
work
I
mean
you,
you
hear
this
all
over
the
place
on
on
the
news
and
we
can't
do
anything.
We
can't
do
anything.
We
can't
go,
do
anything
well,
here's
little
old
ponte,
gorda
police
department
and
guess
what
we
know
who
it
is
and
we're
going
to
do
something
about
it.
B
I
agree
with
that
and
I
did
get
a
lot
of
comments
over
the
weekend
about
how
great
the
traffic
control
was
for
all
the
fireworks
events
over
the
weekend
and
that
the
police
department
kept
everybody
under
control
all
weekend
long
for
all
the
things
that
were
happening
in
town.
So
we
thank
them
for
that,
and
the
last
thing
on
our
agenda
today
is
a
short
discussion
on
florida,
power
and
light,
and
I
also
want
to
add
to
that
centurylink,
you
guys
all
know
in
my
newsletter.
B
There
are
approximately
a
hundred
double
poles
still
up
around
the
city
and
greg,
and
I
have
had.
I
don't
know
how
many
conference
calls
with
with
fpl
about
it
and
they
seem
to
have
come
to
a
screeching,
halt
and
they're,
not
doing
anything
about
removing
the
double
poles
and
people
are
getting
really
angry,
sometimes
to
the
point
of
yelling
at
me
on
the
phone,
and
you
know,
there's
only
so
much
I
can
do
we've.
We've
asked
them
to
take
care
of
this.
They
they
used
to
do
reporting
in
with
us
every
week.
B
Then
it
went
to
bi-weekly
and
then
it
went
to
monthly,
and
now
I
think
the
last
call
we
had
was
about
two
and
a
half
three
months
ago,
and
so
that's
a
that's
part
of
the
problem
and
centurylink
has
literally
not
responded
to
me
at
all.
I've
sent
them
four
or
five
emails
in
the
recent
past
and
they
don't
even
respond
to
me
at
all.
They
just
don't
even
acknowledge
that
they
got
the
email
a
few
weeks
ago.
We
had,
I
guess
it
was.
B
B
Comcast
was
contacted
on
a
weekend
and
responded
immediately.
It's
not
our
poll,
it
belongs
to
centurylink,
and
so
so
then
we
got
the
city
engineer
involved
and
they
sent
an
email
to
centurylink
and
the
centurylink
said.
No,
it's
not
us.
It's
comcast,
it's
like
it
was
just
this
free-for-all.
Anyway,
they
did
respond.
Centurylink
did
respond
to
the
city
engineer,
but
they
did
not
respond
to
me,
which
is,
in
my
opinion,
disrespectful,
but
I
think
I
think
we
have
to
get
something
going
to
get
this
project
moving
and
get
these
double
poles
removed.
J
B
Utility
companies
are
autonomous
to
the
city,
they
only
report
to
the
puc.
So
that's
that's
the
issue
and
fpl
the
last
time
we
talked
about
writing
a
letter
to
the
puc.
Before
I
even
left
the
meeting,
I
had
a
phone
message
and
an
email
from
it
from
fpl,
and
I
don't
want
to
just
throw
threats
out
there.
I
think
we
need
to
be
serious
about
this.
People
shouldn't
have
to
put
up
with
us
that
you
know
this
hardening
project
was
started
and
then
they
kind
of
came.
B
Everything
came
to
a
screeching
halt
with
part
of
the
covet
situation,
but
they
were
pulling
a
pole
here
or
a
pole
there,
but
I
get
I
I'm
not.
I
can't
even
tell
you
how
many
complaints
I've
received
and
I
just
got
two
yesterday
same
thing
and
then
one
of
them
also
has
a
century
link
box
that
is
cracked
and
broken
and
has
been
sitting
there
for
several
months.
That
nobody's
responded
to
me
about.
B
Comcast
has
been
phenomenal
honestly,
they
answer
almost
immediately
when
I
send
an
email
to
them
and
they
go
and
clean
wires
up,
and
I
have
one
from
a
city
staff
person
this
morning
and
I
will
report
that
as
soon
as
I
get
home
but
they're
great,
they
immediately
come
out
and
they
fix
whatever
I
ask
them
to
fix.
I
have
no
problems
with
comcast
and
I'm
very
grateful
for
that,
because
a
lot
of
the
wires
were
were
all
comcast
wires.
So.